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PMS 2.0 1285 - NFC & AFC Championship Recaps, Adam Schefter, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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PMS 2.0 1285 - NFC & AFC Championship Recaps, Adam Schefter, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble Le Bone, the Thunderdome on this championship overreaction. Monday, January 27, 2025. This program starts now. Football is wonderful. And now we have our super bowl matchup for down in New Orleans. Representing the AFC will be the Kansas City Chiefs. Representing the NFC will be the Philadelphia Eagles. Let's start with those games now. The Philadelphia Eagles. Absolutely boat race. The Washing Commanders. It was an all NFC east affair in the NFC championship. And the story of the game would be the run game is able to win in 2025. Saquon Barkley on his first touch. Ah, 60 yard tug cutback, spin move, Saquon Barkley stuff. Then the second time he'd get the ball, guess what? Another touchdown where he'd cut it back to the right side after an entire side was caved in by Lane Johnson and the boys. And this one became a runaway quickly as the Philadelphia Eagles dominate the Washington Commanders. Now Jayden Daniels, well of schedule. Congratulations, Harry. Terry McLaurin, although people say he has a terrible haircut. Phenomenal football player. They are way ahead of schedule. Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, new ownership. Congratulations to the Commanders becoming one of the final four teams in the NFL making it to the NFC championship. We are incredibly happy for all the Washington fans, the Commanders fans, the football team fans, and the OG Washington Redskins fans who are still in abundance. And I think the future is very, very bright in D.C. now. Philadelphia Eagles team is going to be tough to stop. You know, all year we've been following along with the offensive lines with AQ Shipley, OG in the trenches. And all year he's been talking about how great and dominant this particular offensive line group was. They were dealing with a little bit of an injury there. Now Jurgeson, who came in obviously to fill in for Jason Kelce after he retires at center, he's supposed to be the starter. Well, he has a back issue, whether it's spasms or tightening up, whatever the case is. So they put in Dickerson, who's an absolute hoot dog. He ends up having an ankle injury. He can't even walk. So Juergens actually ends up playing. Dickers ends up playing two hurt guys. It doesn't matter. They rush for seven touchdowns in the NFC Championship. Seven of them. Seven touchdowns. That's the most since the NFL AFL merger. I don't know what happened before then. If they were just running and didn't know how to throw the ball. Seven touchdowns is a dominating performance on the ground. Saquon obviously incredibly pumped that he Ended up signing with the Philadelphia Eagles. Now all eyes go back to that hard knocks when Mara was saying, it's going to be hard for me to sleep. If Saquon Barkley's all Philadelphia Eagles. He is by far our most popular player we've ever. Well, he goes to Philadelphia. New city, new team, same story. This guy is beloved, this guy is utilized. This guy is a weapon. And this guy has taken it back old school and made the Philadelphia Eagles a rushing first offense. A team that only moves the ball on the ground, seemingly. Now Jalen hurts dropped a couple dots in there too. A lot of people said, well, his knees banged up. Okay. Obviously a lot of people say this guy dressed like an asshole coming into the games. A lot of people say, this guy can't throw. This guy's too cool. How about on fourth down dropping a dot into AJ Brown's arms. Now people say, aimbo could make that throw. No, you couldn't. And what people were saying all week leading up to this game was, jalen Hurts can't make that throw. Then he had another touchdown throw to A.J. brown on an absolute line. Jalen was spinning it. Kelly Moe was calling it. The offensive line was blocking their asses off. And this Philadelphia Eagles team puts up 50 some points for the first time in a championship game's history. Congrats to coach Sirianni, the Eagles and their defense for being awesome. Yes. The exciting whites are all over the place. Have we got eyes on Bonds?
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Darius Butler
Is he a his lineage?
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Pat McAfee
Yes.
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Darius Butler
We saw that he played soccer and was a ballerina. I believe so. I believe. And Darius can also confirm this. He hasn't added to the exciting whites.
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Pat McAfee
I don't know. I don't know. The goatee? Yeah, I don't know. But I do know that he tag teamed with the exciting whites here to get a turnover early in the game, which seemingly was the story of the game. The Eagles will get 28 points off a turnover. 28 points off a turnover. So the defense was hungry. Hungry hippos than the offense would take advantage of. Let's go. Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. Will Shipley was added to the exciting whites. He had a massive kickoff return, had a forced fumble on a kickoff tackle, Obviously had some big runs at the end of that entire thing, ended up scoring a touchdown. But tell me about this Philadelphia Eagles defense. Obviously they're in the super bowl, their championship caliber, they're fun to watch and they get that rock, don't they?
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AJ Hawk
Yeah, I mean, Vic Fangio got these guys playing Playing great. But the number one defense for a while now since I think putting Cooper De Gien in that slot position, Quinion Mitchell, their first two picks in the in the back end Quillon Mitchell was locked down. He's got two picks now throughout this playoff run. Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, like on every level of that defense, they fly around. You Talked about it, 28 points off of turnovers in these games, it comes down to turnovers, it comes down to explosive plays. So when you can get those, those turnovers and create points off off of them, you're going to win more games than not. Jaylen Jaden Daniels, he played a good game, but when you can't hold on to the ball, you won't have a chance. Creating those explosive plays in the run game like they do on offense. And then Jalen hurts, I think answered a lot of questions that were out there. For whatever reason, he moves now to five and oh at home in the playoffs. So taking care of the football, making throws when he needed to. Dallas Goddard was banged up this week. He had a big game. Found AJ Brown when he needed him to. Jaden caught. Jalen hurts. I'm sorry. Didn't do a bunch on the ground with his legs. But you know, once they got in that tush push area, they were still able to get it done.
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Pat McAfee
Well, the tush push obviously is certainly a part of the conversation there because Washington was able to get a stop early on the tush P and then later in the fourth quarter there'd be a situation where, you know, they were down 11 the commanders and they were trying to do whatever. So I'm going up over top to stop this thing. Well, they go, we're going to do a hard count. Okay, so they stopped the tush push. So how do you change that? Well, let's get them on their heels a little bit. We can't have them guessing the snap count. So we do a couple hard. Well, he's going to jump.
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Darius Butler
Oliver talk, don't care.
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Pat McAfee
Then the ref would come out and say, hey, if he does it again, it's going to be a personal foul. We're going to have to do this entire song and dance again. There's offside. Then hockey. Lee would come out and say, Washington has been advised that at some point the referee can award a score if this type of behavior happens again. For now, it's a replay of second down. Listen, if you keep doing this garbage and we know it's half the distance to the goal, you keep trying to guess the snap Count, jump off sides. We can just award a score, which we hope he would give the touchdown to Nick Sirianni. Right? Yeah. So then Sirianni could get out there and spike it all. But right before he said that, Pereira, I believe, said the exact same thing in the rule book pretty deep down there. But it's one of these things where, you know immediately the reaction from the fans is, oh, so we can't stop something. We try to stop something. Now the refs are going to force it to happen. It's like, I understand where you're coming from, but you can't just be hopping up over a line of scrimmage. Before the ball snapped, he kicked Juergens in the back of the head, like, two, three different times. I love the Palomalu move. I love what lavar Arrington used to do. I love whenever players are able to time it up. But I also appreciate the fact that Kelly Moe and Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts said, all right, we got to slow down this defense a little bit. Let's keep them guessing. Let's do a hard count. And it worked out perfectly. Everything the Eagles were seemingly doing yesterday was working. Congrats to the Eagles getting back to the super bowl. And also congrats to the Eagles fans. I heard there was zero. Horseshit. Eight. Yeah, just good times down on Broad Street. I guess it was. They couldn't end it. So I guess one thing led to another. And then I think the city was like, all right, this is over. And then everybody was like, nah, we're still here. And they're like, we're gonna have to get everybody out of here. They're like, nah, we're still here.
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AJ Hawk
Big Mill end up performing.
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Pat McAfee
He said, you meet me down at the Capitol. Somebody brings some speakers. And I hold up, wait a minute. Ye. I don't know if he did that or not, but I do know that football is the greatest. Look at this city coming together. And obviously, we've seen videos of Philadelphia and people in the streets. Okay. It always hasn't been as jovial. There's obviously been protests and riots and things that have taken place. But whenever an entire city comes together to celebrate something special, I think it's wonderful. And that's why sports are the greatest thing on earth. And congrats to all these Johns in Philadelphia getting a chance to celebrate this particular team because they play tough football, they play sound football, and they have a coach and has been counted out every single week, and all he's done is lead the boys to The Super Bowl. Speaking of. I believe. Yep. Coach Sirianni is having a press conference right now. Yep. We join Coach Sirianni in his press conference over in Philadelphia, I believe. Yep. There he is.
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Connor
How's everybody doing today? First things first, I'd just like to say, two super bowl appearances in four years. Not bad for a glorified cheerleader, which is what everybody thinks I am. Big dumb dip guy can't coach, plays with Legos in his office, watches Rocky movies, gives rah rah speeches to the boys. Two Super Bowls, four years. You know, say something now.
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Darius Butler
Maybe.
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Connor
I don't know. You know, you guys could tell me, Media could tell me because they got all the answers for what I should be doing. Maybe if I. I don't know. He put my hat on backwards, you know, like this, like Dan Quinn does. And everyone will talk about me like I'm the second coming of Tom Landry. You know, I routinely beat that guy's ass. Have done it for years and years. But again, because I did the flower pot analogy a couple years ago and did the, you know, less athlete thinking, more athlete takeover, people just assume I'm an absolute. Well, guess what? I'm not. Okay? I'm the best goddamn coach in the NFL. There's no two ways about it I don't love doing. We're going to win the super bowl this year. We're going to win a Super bowl this year. I'm going to be a Super bowl champion. Probably going to go down as the best head coach in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles. No disrespect, Coach Reed, but he did. He ran my ass out of Kansas City when I was there and he first got there, so. Him as well. Now, listen, people can say what they want to say. Proof's in the pudding. You score seven rushing touchdowns in the NFC Championship. Am I an offensive genius? You could. Hey, you can put Kelly Moe. He's unbelievable. He's going to be the, you know, the Cowboys next head coach. Well, Jerry thought Brian Schottenheimer was a better coach than Kelly Moe. So. Is it all Kelly Moe? Is it me?
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Pat McAfee
Me?
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Connor
Is it Vic Fangio? Let's just put. Let's just put this sleeping dog to bed, okay? Okay. I know that's a bit of a double entendre. Sleeping dog, maybe. Ari asleep. Don't need to put him to bed. But let's put the bed any bit anyway. I am the best coach in the NFL. Certainly the best coach in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm gonna reiterate it. Two super bowl appearances, four years. This guy doesn't know how to coach. Well, okay, show me a coach who does know how to coach. And. And I'll show you a guy who can't hold, you know, my jock strap when it comes to not only X's and O's, but also getting the boys ready to go for a physical rough and tumble football game in the playoffs at the Link. You don't want to see us, and you don't want to see us in the world either. That being said, you know, I think we'll open this up for some questions.
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Darius Butler
Coach Danielski, espn. I was just kind of curious.
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Connor
I'm cut you off right there, Dano. You can, you can tongue my beanbag. I'm not answering any questions from you probably ever again. Good luck getting a coaching job. I'm sure I'm gonna have glowing things to say about you if people come and ask me about Dan Orlovsky. And you know what? Actually I'm not gonna take any questions from the Philly media either because you had a lot to say about me all year long and now you're the ones tonguing my beanbag because we're going back to a Super Bowl. So I got a lot to do, you know. You know, get Jalen, right. Get Saquon, right. AJ me, him might read a couple books together, maybe watch a Rocky movie. We'll see you guys down in New Orleans. It's gonna be a good time. Okay.
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Pat McAfee
All right, that's that for Coach Sirianni. Had a lot to say. Obviously a lot to prove. Let's go to the talks table at Boston. Connor and Ty Schmidt. I love coach Sirianni. Kind of getting the last laugh. Hasn't won a Super bowl yet, but two Super Bowls in four years as a head coach is historic. Obviously, Ty and he was, you know, he was kind of letting be. He was, was. He was the of the walk there. He's feeling good. He should be strutting his stuff.
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Connor
Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, we've talked about it time and time again. What does this guy need to do before he gets just an. A modicum of respect, Just a, an ounce? I mean, even yesterday, you know, you put out the tweet like, hey, maybe this guy isn't a big dumb dip. And you look at all the replies and it's just like, yeah, real hard to be a head coach when you have Saquon or when you have this defense. Like, no one gives him any credit. No one thinks he does anything He's a head coach in the NFL for the best team in the nfc. He's going back to his second super bowl in four years. Like, it's crazy that he still has talked about the. The way that he is. But I'm he. Coach Sirianni certainly seems like a stack the chips on the shoulder guy. So he knows, like, hey, let's go get it done.
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Pat McAfee
How come. How come Dana was cut off there? I didn't know Dan had time to make to a press conference. I seen him on TV all morning. He. He said, I saw Dana the tweet that said since September. I knew.
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Darius Butler
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
That this guy was going to be the guy. I don't know if that's necessarily how Coach Sirianni feels.
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Connor
No, ye. Coach Sirianni understands that. Like, hey, you can you.
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Pat McAfee
When.
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Connor
When things are going great, you can say like, hey, I love this guy. Trust this guy. He's the best in the business. But he hasn't forgotten what Dan said. Yeah, I mean, Dan for the longest time was saying, hey, listen, I don't trust this guy in the playoffs. Sorry, this guy stinks. He's going to be the reason that the Eagles have a horrendous downfall. And here they are, you know, marching down to New Orleans. So Coach Sirianni hasn't forgotten, but you're right, Dan has been very busy. I'm surprised he had time to make it to that press conference.
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Pat McAfee
Have some stats here from Hembo and congrats, Coach Sirianni. He should be taking a victory lap. And when I put a lot of people go, what did he do? Yeah, it's like the head coach. Excuse me, we're talking about the head coach of the football. He didn't do anything. Colin Moore's calling the place Rick Fangio. So we're just going to. Okay, so we're going to lump all head coaches now into the don't do anything department. Who has to set the tone, set the narrative, set the schedule, the itinerary? Who hired these people? Who decided that this is what we're going to do? Who said, you know what, Saquon's going to be the focal point of our offense, even though we've already paid A.J. brown, Devontae Smith, who's the one delivering the message each week for us to rally around? Like. Like what? He didn't do anything. He didn't do anything. What did this guy do that just being allowed to be said by people? And it's not fans fault. Okay. Fans are gonna feel the way they're gonna feel and you can have however many thoughts about Paizani want because of his antics. He doesn't act like anybody else. Okay? He's one of one Sirianni by far. But it's because everybody on TV calls him a big dumb dipshit all the time for sure that people think they're allowed to say this guy don't do anything. Just sitting up there with. He's the head coach of an NFL team. He has a lot on his plate day in, day out, including how we are going to focus in and dominate. Here's some stats about this Eagles team. This season they've had 725 rush attempts, 517 pass attempts. When you talk about fully committing to the run game. Kellen Moore, right, I know he wants romp scoreboards. What Mike McCarthy told about him, who do you think is telling Kellen Moore? Hey, we're sticking with the run. We're sticking with the run. We're sticking with the run. Who do you think that is?
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Connor
Probably Coach Sirianni.
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Pat McAfee
I would assume that that is Coach Sirianni Football. Including the playoffs, Saquon Barkley has scored 7, 760 yard touchdowns from scrimmage this season. Most in the history of the NFL. 3,731 yards. No team in NFL history has rushed for more in a season than the 2024 Eagles. Seven rushing touchdowns. Obviously yesterday is the most all time in the history of the NFL playoffs. Who do you think is the one deciding what type of football team they're going to have? It's Coach Sirianni. He should be doing a victory that didn't look exactly like the coach s that we've seen there in that press conference. That might not have.
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AJ Hawk
Pretty close.
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Pat McAfee
That might not have been actually him.
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AJ Hawk
Are you sure?
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Ty Schmidt
No, that was definitely him.
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Pat McAfee
The amount of hate that he gets. He's wild.
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Tone
It is wild.
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Pat McAfee
Absolutely wild. What was the percentage of bets Yesterday on Commanders vs. The Eagles?
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Ty Schmidt
It ended up being 66%.
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Pat McAfee
66% of the people were pulling for the Washington commanders. I think that was their heart voting against the Eagles. The Eagles get the win and the COVID Congrats to Philadelphia and the Johns. And now let's go to the AFC championship. The Buffalo Bills taking on the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday. Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes. Another absolute thriller. It started with the national anthem. Retired Petty Officer General Wilson crushed it. Hey, that was maybe the best national anthem that I have heard. Congratulations, General. That was amazing. He went for it too a couple different times. So good. No flub, no Crack. No, nothing. Congrats to him. Great start to an AFC championship. I put out a tweet saying, old buddy absolutely slaughtered this national anthem. And the amount of. Yeah, agreed was cool. People are saying they were getting emotional. Listen to it. Like, people saying, understandable. Like, hey, I'm not that big of a, like, emotional person. I. It's not like I served in the military or anything like that. But when you hear this and see this and you just step up and crush it sets the tone for a perfect game, which he definitely did. And also, I think it was a lot of, like, hell yeah, America out of this guy. So thank you to retired Petty Officer General Wilson for doing that. Thank you to that man and Andy Reid for getting their teams ready, because what a game it was. Now, listen, the conversation this morning is strictly around the Chiefs and the refs. That's all it's going to be. Again, Josh Allen got the first down. Josh Allen got the first down. I would like to say that immediately upon seeing it, I thought, Josh Allen got the first down. But then whenever the ref here on the near side, and I think it's very interesting because you see the far ref line judge and then the near ref line judge, they come in at two different angles, okay? They're seeing two different things now. People saying the far judge is the one that's going to see the ball. I don't think he can see anything because there's two people standing right in front of his face. Normally very difficult for these judges that are on the sideline to see anything, especially whenever it's a massive scrum. I personally believe Josh Allen got the first down. I also believe Dalton Kincaid on the play before got the first down. But whenever they call it on the field, not first down, then they go to review. And it's that much of a cluster. I think it was going to be tough to overturn, but, boy, people did not care about that. This was the refs. In the fourth quarter, whenever the Kansas City Chiefs were dying, making a decision for the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, could that easily have been called a first down and after review, stayed with it? Yes. Now after review, are they going to overturn anything at this? Probably not, is how it normally goes. The fact it worked out for the Chiefs, yet again, people say how many coincidences we are before we start thinking it's a conspiracy. I even got people that are pretty high up in the world, okay, high up in the world, saying, this is bullshit. This is absolute bullshit. I don't want to hear a single Thing tomorrow on your show about that not being a first down. You better say the truth. You better stick up for what's real and what is a problem. The refs are working alongside Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift to get the Chiefs into the Super Bowl. I think that whatever was called on the field is going to get called in the review no matter what. Can you argue Dalton got it? Yes. Can you argue that Josh got it? Yes. But to say they even went to a review and then they return it, normally this type of thing is going to remain call on the field. That ref up there though, pretty pigeon toed.
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Darius Butler
Yeah, that was weird. Yeah, it's weird.
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Pat McAfee
I don't know if I've ever seen and maybe I assume he's been doing this all year and we just haven't noticed. He had some sweet high top J's on too with the white backs there. I appreciate that, that. But his right foot, you know he, he's got one of these.
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Darius Butler
Yep.
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Pat McAfee
He's got, he's got one of these. I mean he's, he's coming in that some bit side parallel like that, you know and normally you're spotting the ball with your foot. I, I don't. I think we should talk about that. I think we should talk about that. Maybe for future. Maybe put him in a different spot.
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Darius Butler
Sure.
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Pat McAfee
Because like when you're coming, I don't know. Ah, be tough for me. And then the catch, obviously Xavier worthy, whenever he goes up and snags that thing out of Bishop's hand and it hits the ground and they call it a catch, Ty goes to the runner. Always has in football. Ty goes to the receiver as opposed to defender. I think he had full possession of it and when it hit the ground you could obviously call it incomplete and it could obviously it's a massive play in the game and it's the Chiefs yet again. But it doesn't move when it hits the ground. Seems to be pretty sturdy. It's like, it's amazing. All these things happen and the Chiefs end up on the benefiting side of it. Now granted, the Chiefs don't care. Chiefs just won another AFC championship and five times I believe now Patrick Mahomes has gone to the super bowl in his seven years as a starting quarterback in the NFL. Yeah.
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AJ Hawk
Crazy.
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Pat McAfee
He is bananas. I hate the fact that the refs are always the conversation. Travis Kelsey lead blocking for him here in the fourth to take the lead. Obviously Cinema, you know, like Travis Kelce, all time leading receiver. The worst spike in the History of football ball potentially there by Patrick Mahomes, let alone AFC championship games and everything like that. But like the conversation, just being about the refs full time, I think is obviously something that's going to continue to happen for as long as they continue to win, especially with the calls that are taking place. But what we're witnessing here out of Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey in this Kansas City Chiefs team is awesome. It's a spectacle. Their special teams even showed up this week. Coach Tobe, the special teams coordinator, hall of Famer Coach Spags, defense coordinator, hall of Famer Andy Reid. Anytime he's coaching or calling plays, he's a Hall of Famer, he's going to be great. So I think there's a lack of respect for the greatness because everybody just wants to pin it on something. But if you've been great for this long and you get some calls that go your way, people are going to hate it. We saw with the Patriots, we're seeing it with the Chiefs. But all this team does is win. Which is why I say the Chiefs is still the Chiefs. Now, if you want to believe that the Chiefs is only in Chiefs because the refs go ahead and believe it, then you should bet on them in the super bowl.
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Connor
For sure.
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Pat McAfee
If you think that's going to be the case, let's utilize it. If you think it's a conspiracy for them to win, go ahead and utilize it for your own personal gain if you can. But I think what Patrick Mahomes is able to do, what this Chiefs team is able to do, is win games. Josh Allen, phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Tough.
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AJ Hawk
Tough ward, though.
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Pat McAfee
Tough to lose yet again. Hair, sweet.
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Darius Butler
Great flow right there.
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Pat McAfee
He's got great hang time coming out of the back. I respect it. But he puts on another great performance. I think he has like nine touchdowns, no turnovers, four sacks taken in all the games. In the playoff games, again, you know the Kansas City Chiefs like he plays through the roof, continues to lose to him. If you're playing the Chiefs, what is your thoughts? D Buch, if you're playing against that defense, what is your thoughts? Because the game, the play that kind of ended it is the Josh Allen roll, right? Hail Mary. Somehow Dalton Kincaid's right there. Gotta catch it. He knows that. Dalton Kincaid knows that. Great play, but I think, you know, I got a text from Coach Pagano right before this. It said, spags is brought all out basically on third down. Will he do it again on fourth down? Then as soon as the game comes back on Tony Roma is like jam, you know, Spags brought it. Will he do it again? Everybody seemingly thought they were going to bring pressure on this fourth down, try to get Josh Allen flustered. He still finds an open guy. Josh Allen is so good, so damn great. He just so happens to be in the Patrick Mahomes era. Is that the way to view this thing? And at what moment does he get over the hump?
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AJ Hawk
Yeah, it's hard to put. You can't put this on Josh Allen, obviously. And then. And it's not just Mahomes, you know, it's not just Mahomes, it's not just Andy, it's not just Spags, it's all of them. It's the Collective. And they just seem to always make that one extra play, whatever it is. And the Bills had an opportunity to get it back and answer to what the Chiefs did. But even that last play with Spags bringing that pressure, bringing McDuffie off the edge, it seems like anytime it's all on the line, you know Spags is going to bring pressure and dial it up. So a lot of people are bringing up the next gen snats with the bubbles, say, oh, just swing it out to Shakira. But you know, that pressure in Josh Allen's face, it was great that he even got this ball, took Kincaid down the field. But this is just the brilliance of Spags bringing that overload pressure to his right side, that offense. And if you throw it to Shakira, I think they rally and make that tackle shorter the sticks. But that's just them making one extra play. And even with Patrick Mahomes not necessarily having the most explosive plays in the pass game, but using his leg legs the first time when these two teams faced off in the regular season, I don't think Mahomes had any rushing yards, and he has over 40 rushing yards and this one, two rushing touchdowns. So Andy Reid kind of dialing it up, getting guys involved that you wouldn't expect. Perrine on their last play to get the. To convert the third down. Juju, Smith, Schuster making big plays. So yeah, Mahomes, Spags, Chris Jones, all these guys just seem to make a play, just one more play every time, regardless. Regardless of who's on the other side of that ball.
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Pat McAfee
And now we're just a couple weeks away from potential history and people are pissed off about it. Yeah, people are not happy that it's Chiefs Eagles now. I've seen a lot of people say, I'm not watching. You're not gonna watch the super bowl, come on. Okay. You're punishing yourself. Yeah, well, I got one football game left.
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Darius Butler
It's the best one.
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Pat McAfee
And it's between a Philadelphia Eagles team that's been counting out all season long even though been winning and then the Kansas City Chiefs team and said this is the worst team that they've ever had and they're making it to the Super Bowl. Had home field advantage throughout the Super Bowl. This team, these teams are special. I cannot wait to watch them battle.
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Darius Butler
Yeah, it's going to be incredible. And the Mahomes thing, there was some stat about him where, you know, in the playoffs during, you know, crunch time, whatever that is deemed where you're either down a score or you're tied. Mahomes is perfect. He's like nine for nine on drives, getting points, either going to tie the game or to go up and score. And he did it twice when it was 22, 21 obviously they went up and got the two point conversion and made it 29, 22. And then of course again when it was tied, they drove down the field and kicked a field goal. So when you need him the most is when he plays the best and kind of to the tush push conversation like, hey, the reason it's not banned is because like the Bills couldn't do it. Like that is the whole reason it's so special for Philly because it's automatic like the Bills. That wasn't the only time where it didn't work for Buffalo yesterday.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, he goes over to left guard or whatever instead of over second center. They said the Chiefs knew that they were planning for that and they obviously worked it and everything like that. I mean it's hard not to say he got the first down right there. Especially from this angle when it's off center.
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Tone
Sure.
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Pat McAfee
Especially whenever they get there's an over top angle too. That does it. But any, I don't, I don't, I might, I might be wrong. I don't know if they've ever overturned a call in a scrum like this where there's been not one less than a half a yard has been moved.
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Ty Schmidt
But also if you like, to Connor's point, like the Chiefs all night long were, it was basically running to a brick wall when the Bills were trying to do the tush push. And the main difference in the game was short yardage. The Bills had no imagination. They were just running Josh into a brick wheel, brick wall all night long. And then Mahomes every single third and short, fourth and short run pass option on the edge easy all night long.
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Pat McAfee
How come Joe Brady stopped with the Josh Allen and shotgun all by himself?
- [26:43]
Ty Schmidt
Good question.
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Pat McAfee
Just.
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Darius Butler
Just power.
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Pat McAfee
That was literally. They. They've done that. Yeah.
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Darius Butler
Pull Dion.
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Pat McAfee
Just have. Pulled Dion. Even have the extra offensive lineman number 70 who report Dion. Dude.
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Tone
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
What is this guy? He got like three penalties yesterday either for not reporting or not being off the line. It's like that's got to get figured out too. That hasn't been chatted about enough. This AFC championship game, we got logistical shit happening like that that can't be happening up there. But Josh Allen in shotgun all by himself has been their go to. He just runs to the right basically every single time.
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Ty Schmidt
He did it once and got it last night.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. It doesn't make any sense why they don't do that every single time. But I think we all wonder why. Maybe they overthink in the biggest moments. Joining us now might have more answers on all of it. Also, a guy who is currently. This guy's spotlighting a bunch of malarkey. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL Insider for ESPN Michigan, man, friend of the program, Adam Schefter. Shefty.
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Adam Schefter
Happy Monday, man.
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Pat McAfee
Hey, Happy Monday to you. Happy overreaction Monday on this championship Monday after we have now found our champions for the AFC and the nfc. And you know another. You know what, Shefty, great season this year out of you. I didn't know you were a conspiracy theorist, though. I didn't know that you like to amplify everything that's happening on the Internet. I didn't know that you like to spread misinformation or propaganda about the NFL and the refs wanting the Chiefs to win. I saw your mentions after you put this out. You obviously were getting cooked. But this is a real convo that's happening around NFL fan base places. They think that the NFL wants the Chiefs to win. Now, we have certainly talked about this. What are your thoughts on it all and how do you see this playing out for future conversations with the NFL?
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Adam Schefter
You know, Pat, I would just say this again. The facts are the facts. I presented facts. There was zero. Let me be very clear about that. Zero intent behind that. I'm a little surprised that people are so offended with factual information. There was zero agenda. Zero agenda. It was a number. Some stats in conjunction with a story that the NFL is considering expanding replay assist to include plays that include quarterback slides. That's it. Those are the numbers. That's it. No agenda. Listen, honestly, what the Chiefs are doing is incredible. Who doesn't like watching somebody do something that has never been done in the NFL ever. Well, a three time.
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Pat McAfee
A lot of people, Shafty, a lot of people are hating this.
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Adam Schefter
Okay, Again, I'm not in that camp. I'm just telling you, when that information comes out, the news is that the NFL is going to be expanding replay assist. They're probably going to include the quarterback slide. And here are some numbers. Sorry. That offended people. There was zero, zero intent. Just very clear about that.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, I appreciate that. And also, you're trying to give credit to Hembo, who dug up all these stats and everything. We love Himbo. He sends us a lot of stats. He is the weapon behind a lot of ESPN's folks talking points. Whether he gets credit for it or not, he does not care. But I appreciate giving him some love in this entire thing. And the conversation isn't like, well, Andy Reid has a more disciplined team than other teams. The conversation is the refs are just assisting the Chiefs. And that's not you starting that conversation. That is a conversation that is taking place. Let's move away from that. Let's move along. Injuries on the Eagles offensive line, obviously a massive convo here. We think two weeks gonna be enough for Lando and for Cam to get completely healthy or what are we expecting there?
- [30:10]
Adam Schefter
Well, look, Cam Jurgens came in and gutted it out and was able to play through a back injury that they didn't think he was going to be able to play with. They kept him there as an emergency center. He was used in an emergency when Landon Dickerson could barely walk out there. They need one of them, one out there for the Super Bowl. I would think that both of them will have a chance, a real chance to be out there with the extra week of work. If they had to play the super bowl in a short week, that might be a big problem. But I'm sure the extra week week will do well for both guys and their chances of being back out there on Super Bowl Sunday. But that was a gutty, gritty effort by that Eagles line. It's been the strength of the team all year long. They make things happen. They continue to make things happen. And you just was, you know, you're wondering yesterday, like, are they going to run out of bodies there? Because it was incredible to see Jurgens. Initially we thought he wasn't going to play. Then he's active. Like, he's active.
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Pat McAfee
Whoa.
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Adam Schefter
But then he doesn't start. Dickerson starting. They put Tyler Steen in a guard, which is what I think they were planning all along to do. And then Dickerson can't make it through. And Jurgens comes back, just. It was pretty impressive to see what these guys fought through to play and win that game and play the way they did.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think Cam Juergens came out and said, like, Sirianni basically, you know, motivated. There's nothing I would have. Yeah, he came out and gave a full quote at his locker. Basically chit chat about the mindset of the team, how tight the team is, how close they are, how much of a family they are. So if you can play, you're gonna play for your team. And Sirianni doesn't do anything is what everybody says. But then Cam Jurgens is like, well, the fact that we have such a family here led by Sirianni is the only reason why I go out there and do that. What a beautiful team. Two super bowl appearances in four years as a head coach for coach Sirianni and he has taken flak through it all. What are the reports out of Philadelphia about Sirianni? Is he getting a lifetime contract now?
- [32:03]
Adam Schefter
So we've gone from basically firing him to giving him a lifetime deal? You know, I just think it's.
- [32:07]
Pat McAfee
So who's we? That's maybe you and Dan Orlovsky. Not us. Not this broker. Not me. Not this broker. Not me. All right. All right.
- [32:15]
Adam Schefter
Not me.
- [32:15]
Pat McAfee
Espn. Hey, I don't know if you saw this. ESPN as a whole is obviously all season long. All season long. We get Sirianni. He was the lower third. Now, once again, we are very appreciative of first take and get up. We watch every single morning. We love them. We love everybody. A part of all of it, but some of their bottom third or bottom lines. Whenever Sirianni was leading his team to home field advantage and everything like that, and winning and winning. It's like, is Sirianni the dumbest person to ever be a head coach? Is Sirianni trustworthy? Is Sirianni the worst person ever in the NFL? Is Sirianni the worst Italian to ever be an Italian? Like, those were the things that are being said about him all season long. Now he has his second super bowl appearance. What is the thought of coach Sirianni over there in Philadelphia? And Howie and Jeff obviously have to love this man for everything he's done.
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Adam Schefter
Well, of course. And again, you're talking about a lifetime contract, but I think obviously when you see head coach salaries exploding the way they are across the league, I think it only stands to reason that Nick Sirianni is going to want to get an extension. He's going to want to get a raise. I don't know that. But I mean, it's logical to assume that they're back in the super bowl again if they win it. That is the goal of everybody. So that's leverage for him. And I have to see how many years he has left in his country. But it's amazing to me that all year long, to your point, there are people that have criticized and questioned Nick. There are people that have criticized and questioned Jalen Hurts and the Eagles passing game. There are people that question this team just not stepping up. And in the end, here they are back in the super bowl with a chance now to go up against the Kansas City Chiefs for the second time in three years in the Super bowl bowl, see how it works out. Like, again, you know, these things, they usually sort themselves out one way or another by the time the end of the year rolls around, right? There are people that start hot and fade out. There are people that fade out or start slow and then gain steam. And usually things work out the way they should. And the Eagles had a slow start where people were questioning them, criticizing them, Nick Jalen, the team, whoever. And here they are rolling along long. Jalen Hurts has won. I think it's the last 13 games. He started and finished the last 13. So his track record has been pretty good there, despite the fact that people are wondering, why is the Eagles passing game not operating at a higher level? Look like he hit on some pretty good throws there to me yesterday. And they find a way to win just like the Chiefs find a way to win. And that's what makes this super bowl compelling, because neither one of these teams usually beats itself.
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Pat McAfee
A lot of people are saying this is the least liked super bowl in history. Obviously, nobody enjoys wow. Yeah, well, that's the world we live in. That's the world we live in. And I assume there's been Super Bowls in the past where teams have been hated, but you weren't able to tweet about it, which is a good thing, not a bad thing in my eyes, but the world will watch these two do battle. Was anybody happier about the outcome of that Eagles Commanders game than Dan Snyder yesterday? Obviously the story came out that he hates what's happening with Washington and he actually, at the very beginning of Josh Harris's ownership here, was thinking about backing out on the deal. And I think the metaphor, or maybe the reality was not turning over the keys to the building or to the stadium. Is that real? And how do we get to this point, yeah.
- [35:36]
Adam Schefter
Seth Wickersham and Don Van Natter wrote about it this past weekend, and there were people that felt like he was trying to not go through on the deal before it wound up going through. They recommended that he would go through on the deal, which he did. And look, it's just a different day and age. There's a totally different mood surrounding that team. There's a totally different outlook surrounding team. Even after they lost. You heard about the fact that here were the owners down in the locker room going play by player, player to player, thanking them for the type of season that they provided, wishing them the luck for the future, and. And looking forward to continuing the relationship. And again, I'm not going to say that Dan Snyder never did that. They weren't in that NFC Championship game under him. But it just feels like from the people there that this ownership group errors about the players and the team, and there's a different mindset there now. And I think that that was reflected in the way that this team performed this year. Getting to the NFC Championship game, coming up short, but giving this team hope. They have a quarterback that you could argue is as good as any in the NFC and a top five quarterback in the NFL right now. You can make that argument. And he's got a huge future, and that team should be positioned to succeed and have more conference championship games in the future. And I would think that they'll learn from what they went through yesterday and be better for it in future years.
- [37:05]
Pat McAfee
Agreed. And I'm happy that Dan Snyder's just got to sit on his yacht over there and just. Somebody needs to hurt Jaden Daniels. I hate this guy. He's so good. Yeah. So much fun to watch. All right, let's go over the AFC game, shall we? Ty has a question for you.
- [37:20]
Connor
Yeah, Chef. I wouldn't expect anything to happen, but obviously after the game, a lot of Bills fans calling for Sean McDermott's head. And whether it's, you know, right, wrong or indifferent, he obviously just can't beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. Is there any chance the Bills consider making a move there? Does he go into next season potentially on the hot seat in order for them to eventually try to get over the hump and be able to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and not waste Josh Allen's prime?
- [37:47]
Adam Schefter
Didn't he sign an extension? And again, it's just so funny to me how this goes in the world that we live in, because up until yesterday, everybody was talking about what a Great job Sean McDermott did. He had put this team where it is. Everybody talked about how he's grown and learned and he's giving great pregame speeches and, you know, so they lose. And now people are asking that question. And that's what happens when you lose in the NFL. I don't see it happening. I never rule out anything because you never know in this league. And people do wild and crazy things and as we say all the time, it's the greatest reality show going. But I think up until yesterday, they've been really happy with Sean McDermott and I haven't seen any evidence that they would move off that, but I guess anything's always possible.
- [38:29]
Pat McAfee
Why is James Cook not in the game? You know, a lot of questions. A lot of questions about a lot of different situations. But. But obviously he'll have to answer those on his own time. Let's talk about one particular play that could have changed a potential outcome and maybe changes the future of the NFL. Go ahead, Con man.
- [38:43]
Darius Butler
Yeah, Shefter, you reported and I think you've talked about on the show before, but how NFL replay assist is going to, you know, kind of be developed more and used more next season. Is there any way they're going to use that for these first downs? Because obviously we've talked about the microchip in the ball, but they don't use the microchip to rule first downs. Will NFL replay assists kind of help with that? Because obviously this is impossible to overturn and it's tough to tell. But even the play before with Dalton Kincaid where it looked as though he landed directly on the line and that was ruled not a first down. So is that going to be part of the development with the replay assist?
- [39:19]
Adam Schefter
I forgot that that was the play before. Wow, that's interesting.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. People are pissed. Shefty people are pissed. Yeah. Yeah. Chiefs better than big time.
- [39:28]
Adam Schefter
People get very. People get very touchy about officiating topics. I see. I. Very touchy.
- [39:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, very. Yeah.
- [39:35]
Adam Schefter
I think that didn't the league experiment this past summer not to go back and look and find out more. But didn't the leagues with. With the like the, the electronic marking about whether that ship technology.
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Pat McAfee
It just took too long. Remember, it took like 30 minutes seemingly. I think it was like four minutes to decide whether or not something was in or out and they decided there was supposed to do it this season. Then it took too long. They're like, we're getting rid of this. This is. Wait. And then they brought the chains back.
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Connor
Didn't work in bad weather either.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Because the technology.
- [40:04]
Adam Schefter
Play the Dawson play the Dawson Knox play again. I want to see that again.
- [40:07]
Pat McAfee
Oh, Chef, you want to give a read on.
- [40:09]
Adam Schefter
I just want to see it because I forgot that that was the play before. That's interesting.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, Chef. We're all saying it. Yeah, yeah. We all think I'm like, the biggest Chiefs is still the Chiefs guy. But watching these two plays consecutively, it's like, that is really tough. But the chip in the ball was supposed to be the answer. Then they tried at the beginning of the year, and it was horrendous. And yeah, to your point, bad weather wasn't going to be able to operate efficiently. And then even when it was super slow, which is the last thing the NFL wants, but you got two officials.
- [40:40]
Adam Schefter
From opposite ends trying to make a ruling. They obviously see it differently because one of them marked it as first down, one of them didn't. And again, we're living in 2025. There is so much technology to do so many different things, and we can't figure out exactly where the football should be spotted. I mean, it's just. It's wild that that's the day and age that we're living in considering all the technology. And so that's what I thought this summer was about, is the chip and the bowl or the electronic spotting system, however they did it. And I got to hear more about whatever came of that because you don't want to have plays decided like that where there's a question.
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Pat McAfee
I forget what game yesterday, maybe the AFC game. It was ruled a first down. Then after further conversation, they brought it back to like a third down. I think in short. So they're utilizing the future conver or the further conversation replay assist at in certainly important times catches penalties. I think refs, right, Quarterbacks, you. You reported whether or not they get hit in the head is going to be used in the future. The spotting of the ball, though, we thought the chip was going to be the answer. And it turns out the chip was like the slowest thing of all time. Stinks. Yeah, they were like, the chip stinks. So we can't do it. Has to be something. Has to be.
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Adam Schefter
By the way, when we watch golf, they got golf balls like, where they're going in the air, the speed they're going at, like, all kinds of things. We can't figure out where a football is on a field like, compared to that golf ball as you're seeing the flight of it take hold on the PGA Tour. I meant the tracker device, the technology they have surrounding all that. To me there has to be something that can be done to this is more efficient than a chain gang. I mean we were the league was using the chain gang in what, 1920. Still in the chain gang, maybe even.
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Pat McAfee
Earlier than that 100 years later. As the great Mark Boli said, we can catch a rocket coming back from space, but we can't figure out where they hell the ball is. On a four down quarterback area that is very real. Yeah. I mean as everything changes, the more it stays the same, it feels like, all right, let's get away from the championship games. Let's talk about some big stories. Cowboys fans are pumped about Shawty being the new head coach. D, Bud has a question for you.
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AJ Hawk
Obviously our fan base got a lot to say about the Brian Schottenheim higher ahead coach. But the coordinators assume Shotty's gonna be calling players on offense. But are they closing in on their defense? Defensive coordinator out in Dallas.
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Adam Schefter
I, I think everybody has expected all along that'll be Matt Eberfluous. There's a process that they have to go through. I'm sure in the end that he will wind up being the guy. You know the funny thing on Friday night, Jerry calls and he starts going into this whole big long explanation. You know, Brian Schottenhauer, he ain't nothing more than an assistant coach. He's never been more than an assistant coach. Everyone starts talk about him, say, hey, why are they talking about as my head coach, he's an assistant coach. I'm thinking to myself, wow, like he's kind of taking on Brian Shiner. And then he just stops cold, pivots and goes, well, he ain't Brian the assistant anymore. He's now the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And he was very excited about Brian Schottenheimer being the head coach. I know Cowboys fans, not all of them all thrilled about the decision, but Jerry believes that he's got this one right. And he believes that Brian Schottenheimer is going to be a great head coach. And he was all excited and pumped up about.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, Shotty obviously has grown up in the NFL. His dad historic head coach. He had had opportunities 15 years ago to be a head coach. Passed on him to remain an offense coordinator. He was in Indianapolis, he was time in Seattle obviously down in Dallas. He's been around, he's seen a lot of football, he's been around a lot of football. I like Shotty personally from the year that I got to spend around him in Indianapolis. I think, who knows if he's going to be a great head coach, that's why everybody just assuming he's going to be odd.
- [44:26]
Adam Schefter
Let me tell you something, because who.
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Pat McAfee
Knows if any of these guys.
- [44:30]
Adam Schefter
Can I just say something? Picking a head coach is not altogether dissimilar from drafting somebody in the first round. You do your research, you make your calls, you talk to the people you make at that time, the best decision you feel you can make, and then you keep your fingers crossed that it's going to work. Because look at the track record of all the coaches who have been hired over the last. Last 10, 20, 30 years. Forever.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [44:55]
Adam Schefter
Every team always thinks it's hiring the next Vince Lombardi, and it doesn't work out like that. That's why there are seven or eight firings every year. Why the whole league turns over every four years.
- [45:05]
Pat McAfee
Was the number $800 million paid to fired head coaches or some money? Yeah, and dead money to fired head coaches and coaching staffs from around the NFL. It's really hard to find a good head coach. Dallas Cowboys fans say, well, Jerry didn't do. He didn't find a good head coach in shoddy. Who knows how he'll be now. Jerry Jones. Andrew Siciliano, shout out to Siliano reports that Jerry Jones says this is as big of a risk as you can take. No head coaching experience. It's almost like Jerry's selling it to you. He's like, you're not supposed to hire this guy. Not supposed to hire this guy. It's almost like he's like, I found a guy.
- [45:40]
Adam Schefter
No, he prides himself on that. I think he. He feels like he has taken risks and done certain things and made decisions that others wouldn't make, and he's built his career off that. And I think that that's probably to a certain extent, what he's doing now. He feels like he's identified somebody that. He feels like other people feel like he's taking a risk. And he doesn't say it in quite the same way that other people do.
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Pat McAfee
He said, you know, whenever you're about 255 yards away from the green on a par 5, and there's water in front and the sand trap. He said, a lot of people think they need to lay up, get on there, maybe puff for birdie. I'm driving the green every fucking time, and every once in a while, I'm gonna end up in that water. Yeah. And that's gonna happen. But at least I can go to sleep knowing that I want for an Eagle not for a birdie. I want for a big Bird, not a little bird. I want for it every time. That's how Jerry describes his decisions and his business making decisions. And all his fans say is, is well get the eagle finally then cuz you landed in the water every single time. Maybe Shotty's the one that's able to get the Cowboys back to relevance, prominence and championship status. But the fans say he's got no shot. There's only one job open now. Tone has a question for you.
- [46:50]
Ty Schmidt
That is true. She 31 of 32 teams have their head coach. The only one, only team left is the New Orleans Saints. I, I believe Mike Kafka's got an interview lined up. Mike McCarthy's been, you know, talks about going there. Cat Kellen Moore, potentially Cliff Kingsbury. What's the latest on our last coaching search down in New Orleans?
- [47:09]
Adam Schefter
They're going to talk to Kellen Moore this week. They're going to talk to Mike McCarthy this week. Anthony Weaver, the Dolphins defensive coordinator, had what I was told was a pretty impressive interview this past weekend, as did Mike Kafka, the Giants offensive coordinator. I still look at it logically. Nobody said this to me, assessing it the way I have. I think Mike McCarthy probably is the guy to beat for that job and we'll see how it shakes out because there are other qualified candidates. But I think most people have thought that New Orleans all along would be Aaron Glenn or Mike McCarthy. Those are the two names that I heard most often all along. Aaron Glenn's in New York, Mike McCarthy still out there and now we'll wait to see where it goes.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. The jets hired their GM over the weekend as well. Maybe on Friday from the Denver Broncos. Name named Mugi.
- [47:55]
Adam Schefter
Darren Muji.
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Pat McAfee
Muji, that's a good name.
- [47:59]
Adam Schefter
Bougie.
- [48:00]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, got Bougie Moji going to Bougie.
- [48:02]
Adam Schefter
Darren Muji.
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Pat McAfee
Do you know anything about Aaron Glenn, Aaron Rodgers in the future of that entire place over there or no, they're.
- [48:10]
Adam Schefter
Going to be speaking at some point down and I think Aaron has to decide first and foremost whether he wants to play. And then he and Aaron Glenn will discuss it and they could figure out what is best for both sides.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, well, he's open. Anything attached to? Nothing. He said he would go back to the jets if he wanted to play and they wanted him back. He doesn't know Aaron Glenn, I don't think from our source doesn't know much about him, but obviously has massive respect for him. How could you not? Former player that has Become an absolute dog. Speaking of that, congrats to Kelvin Shepard, our former teammate, new DC of the Detroit Lions. I love that, man. I really enjoyed being a teammate with him. I enjoyed his presence in the locker room. I enjoyed his attention to detail. I enjoy his accountability. I like the way he coaches do. We saw him on Hard Knocks, obviously, with the Detroit Lions. I think he's going to do a great job. Shout out to Motor City Dan Campbell, giving him an opportunity to be D.C. and if McCarthy's down there in New Orleans, he's going to be red.
- [49:05]
Connor
Oh, man.
- [49:06]
Pat McAfee
He and I have similar pigment, you know, and it gets hot down there. Toasty Snowden down there, though, last week.
- [49:14]
Connor
Yeah, true.
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Darius Butler
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Maybe it's a little different, I guess. When you.
- [49:17]
Adam Schefter
When are you guys going down there? Next week? When are you going down?
- [49:19]
Pat McAfee
That was what I was gonna. I think we're heading down on Wednesday. I think, brother, we'll be down there on Wednesday. How about you?
- [49:25]
Adam Schefter
I'm taking my daughter on Sunday because she's got to do media night for Nickelodeon, so I'll be down there Sunday.
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Pat McAfee
Oh, nice.
- [49:32]
Adam Schefter
So media nights on Sunday, media nights on Monday night. Should we go down Sunday night?
- [49:40]
Pat McAfee
I don't think we've ever.
- [49:41]
Adam Schefter
You would like that. You would like that.
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Darius Butler
It's kind of.
- [49:43]
Adam Schefter
It's kind of fun. It's like every. Every player, every coach.
- [49:45]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Zany. Right in there. All Zane.
- [49:48]
Darius Butler
He gets slimed.
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Pat McAfee
Bunch of goofballs. It is. It's goofball time down there. But it is a nice kickoff to the biggest week of the year for the NFL. Congrats to the Eagles. Congrats to the Chiefs. Any other storylines or things that we didn't talk about that we should mention?
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Adam Schefter
Well, now you got the Saints still out there. You got the Jaguars looking for a gm. So those are the two big hires. Then you got a lot of teams looking for coordinators at this point in time. That's the next little hiring cycle that I guess we're going to go through here. But most of those jobs have been filled. And offensive coordinator of Detroit, I would expect that to be Johnny Morton, the Broncos passing game coordinator.
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Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [50:26]
Adam Schefter
See how that works out. Write that down.
- [50:29]
Pat McAfee
Johnny, what about Bobby Slowik? Where's he going to end up? The Vegas?
- [50:35]
Adam Schefter
I don't know. I mean, just let go on Friday. I don't have a landing spot for him in Vegas. I know one of the names under consideration there is Darrell Bevel, who used to work with Pete in Seattle. He's in play There. He'll be in play in New Orleans as well. There are a few guys out there. Bobby Slowik, I'm sure. Definitely. All these teams with openings are making calls and trying to figure out.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, well, what a weird timing to fire Slowik. Yeah.
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Tone
Why?
- [51:03]
Pat McAfee
Kind of put him in a bad spot. What happened? How'd that.
- [51:06]
Adam Schefter
Well, a year ago, he was one of the hot head coaching candidates, and a year later, he's fired. Which is exactly why Ben Johnson wasn't going back to Detroit this year. Because you don't know as an assistant coach when your time is going to come along to be hired or when it's going to go the other way. You got to cash in while you can. With Bobby Sloke, the offense, I think they felt like it regressed. It wasn't getting better. The offensive line didn't protect well. Opponents were figuring them out. It's just a weird deal because he's a good coach and he's going to do well in the future. And I. I think one day he'll be a head coach. But Houston felt like it was best to move on right now.
- [51:45]
Pat McAfee
The timing of the fire, though, kind of put him behind the eight ball on a lot of.
- [51:48]
Adam Schefter
Well, they had a storm there. It would have happened earlier in the week, I think, but there was. There was a little storm there. People are out of the building, and then they were back in the building. End of the week is when it happened.
- [51:56]
Pat McAfee
So that wasn't like a vindictive, visceral fire? No. Okay, got it. Go ahead. What are you going to say?
- [52:01]
Darius Butler
Yeah, what about Declan Doyle? She's 28 years old. As the OC of the Bears. Is that the youngest coordinator or one of the youngest coordinators ever? And is he. Is he the next kind of prince who is promised. Yeah, he's only 28 years old.
- [52:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [52:13]
Adam Schefter
Well, you know, it's funny. I was on the phone this morning with Denver, right? Like, Denver turned it around this year and did an unbelievable job with all this dead cap money. And now we got everybody raiding the Bronco staff here like Darren Mu. He's a GM Giant. Johnny Morton, we think, is going to wind up being the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions. Declan Doyle, now the offensive coordinator.
- [52:34]
Pat McAfee
Definitely not. How you pronounce that?
- [52:35]
Connor
Declan.
- [52:36]
Pat McAfee
It's not going to be Declan Doyle.
- [52:39]
Adam Schefter
How do you say it? Declan Doyle.
- [52:41]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I would assume it's Declan, Not Declan.
- [52:44]
Darius Butler
Declan.
- [52:45]
Adam Schefter
I didn't say that, Pat. You did.
- [52:47]
Pat McAfee
No, I'm repeating what my journalist friend said there. Fun fact.
- [52:52]
Ty Schmidt
He's A nephew, You Of Mike Dicka.
- [52:54]
Pat McAfee
Really?
- [52:55]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [52:56]
Pat McAfee
Oh, it's in his bro.
- [52:56]
Adam Schefter
That is a fun fact.
- [52:57]
Pat McAfee
Chris.
- [52:57]
Connor
Chris Doyle, former Iowa strength coach. It's his son.
- [53:01]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah.
- [53:02]
Darius Butler
Oh, that guy.
- [53:04]
Pat McAfee
We know that guy. Yeah. Attention to detail now. Accountability.
- [53:09]
Connor
That's right.
- [53:10]
Pat McAfee
He has some opinions on some things. Yeah. All right. Hey, Chefy, we appreciate the hell out of you, brother.
- [53:15]
Adam Schefter
Thank you, guys. I appreciate you. I look forward to seeing in New Orleans. I'm sure I'll be hearing from you this week at some point in time, right?
- [53:20]
Pat McAfee
I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. Because we're at the time where we don't have shit to talk about. So we'll give you a call and say, hey, Shefty, what fake stuff are you drumming up? You know, and then you'll come right on in. We appreciate you. Good luck in those Twitter streets as you are being attacked viciously from this entire thing.
- [53:38]
Adam Schefter
Pat, we just try to stick to the facts. That's it. Zero intention, zero agenda. That's it.
- [53:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but what facts you present, what facts you withhold are always, you know, that's a decision. That's journalism, baby. That's journalism. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen.
- [53:50]
Adam Schefter
Thank you, guys.
- [53:50]
Pat McAfee
Adam Schefter. I always do appreciate that. We're just presenting facts.
- [53:55]
Ty Schmidt
That's it.
- [53:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Which ones, though?
- [53:57]
Ty Schmidt
A lot of facts.
- [53:58]
Pat McAfee
Which ones are you withholding? Because it seems like you're potentially building a narrative with the facts of your choose. What about the ones that maybe combat are you. Those get suppressed. We're telling the truth. Which truth, though?
- [54:09]
Darius Butler
What's the angle?
- [54:10]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, what's the angle? Hashtag journalism. Hashtag journalistic standards. Yeah.
- [54:15]
Darius Butler
Someone's gonna.
- [54:15]
Pat McAfee
And then we get questioned about it. It's like, are you talking.
- [54:20]
Darius Butler
Who are you talking to? You.
- [54:21]
Pat McAfee
Who are you talking.
- [54:22]
Connor
Talking to me?
- [54:24]
Pat McAfee
These shoes.
- [54:24]
Connor
You're talking to me.
- [54:26]
Pat McAfee
You think you can do these shoes? Shefter was getting murdered. Jerry Jones, speaking of the press conference, at a press conference about Brian Schefter just got sent into the group. If we could pull that up. Here's him talking about Brian Schottenheimer getting hired. And this is one he's saying, biggest risk you can take. No head coaching experience. It's almost like Jerry Jones has, like, leaned in to all the Cowboys fans saying, you idiot, this is the worst hire. It is, isn't it? Here's Jerry now. I get my proverbial ass kicked over needing people in my comfort zone without this thing being about me in any way. If you don't think I Can't operate out of my comfort zone. You're so wrong. It's unbelievable. This is as big a risk as you could take. As big a risk as you could take. No head coaching experience. Let me share something with you with all of that. You've just heard him reference his osmosis, his family, anybody in this room that doesn't believe the apple doesn't go far from the tree has missed it someplace down the road. Especially if there was an effort to make it that way. And there was an effort. But then you go around to the countless numbers of coaches that Shaddy has served on staff with and been around the countless players. How often do you have someone that has 25 to say 25. It may be 26 of years of working through the human relationship and working, aspiring to. To learn or have his ears and eyes wide open and looking for techniques and looking for things that make coaches better. That's what I'm talking about. To double handed twisted. Yeah, that's what you need to do. That's hey, Jerry Jones football right there in the press conference. All I. I'm getting my proverbial ass kicked. You don't think I'm out of my comfort zone? This guy's never been a head coach. I'm not comfortable with this. This is the right guy. I'm gonna say 25 might be 26. You're not a Wikipedia goat. It's hard to add up the numbers when he started, when he finished. I don't know. Do you add the first year? Do you not account the last year? Knows everybody. Osmosis. You ever heard of it? It's where one thing bleeds into another because it's around it. He's been around it his whole damn life. I got faith he's going to be good. And if not fired. Dak was front row loving it Shotty and he obviously have had success. A lot of people say what has shot he done with Dak. It's like Dak's best years.
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- [60:27]
Darius Butler
That's what they're saying.
- [60:29]
Pat McAfee
Please, God, Buffalo need you to beat the Chiefs. If it's Eagles, Chiefs, I'm not going to watch the super bowl for the first time in my life. People were saying in the fourth quarter of that NFC championship as it was clear that the Philadelphia Eagles are going to win that one. And they continued to literally and figuratively run away with the NFC Championship. Away from the commanders, all eyes were on Josh Allen. Well, he played fantastic. The Buffalo Beals showed up. They just lost to a team that literally only wins 32, 29. Chiefs cover Philadelphia Eagles cover the six point spread by a fairly large margin. The favorites cover and head to the Super Bowl. The talks tables here at Boston Connor and at Tai Schmidt. Con man, what are your thoughts on the super bowl and what are your thoughts on your team being nowhere near this part of the season?
- [61:15]
Darius Butler
It's okay. You know, we're in draft prep right now. We're finishing, you know, making our staff for the New England Patriots. So we'll get to that point. I expect us to be in the playoffs next year. But the Super Bowl I personally think is kind of awesome. I think we got it right. And normally sometimes I feel like you can go into this game and not be excited about, you know, one of the teams being terrible or one of the matchups ups on one side being completely lopsided. Like, I feel like these are two pretty equally matched teams. And you brought up Chris Jones and we kind of forgot to talk about him in the first hour when Jalen Carter gets off the bench and just says like, okay, I'm gonna go ahead and try and get a sack and I'm not saying he's not trying on every play, but he is so dominant.
- [61:52]
Pat McAfee
In first play of the game.
- [61:53]
Darius Butler
First play of the game. He was in the back.
- [61:54]
Pat McAfee
Welcome to the Thunderdome. Yeah, he said to that Preston, I believe was his name. The backup off offensive lineman who was playing guard who had a touchdown earlier in the year. Welcome to the Thunderdome, brother. This is what's going to be first play. He has this push, pull, swim move that I don't know how you stop. I legitimately have no idea how you stop it. You just got to hope that he doesn't do it every single play. But he plays every single play. Yeah. What, what they call him the Rhino or something? Baby Rhino. He is awesome in a dog. Yeah.
- [62:20]
Darius Butler
Absolute dog. Nolan Smith too, another Georgia guy. He's kind of come alive here and then. And I don't know what Tyler Biotish said to Jalen Carter. I think he grabbed his face mask a little. But did you see Jalen Carter bop him on the noggin like it was bad. I thought he was going to break his nose when it happened in the moment. But both teams I think are so good that the super bowl is going to be awesome. So if you don't, if you don't want to watch it, don't.
- [62:42]
Pat McAfee
As you're watching the Chiefs, Bills and this even happens to me and I assume us and we watch every game and talk about every game. The narrative was so much about the refs got it, the refs got it. The refs are the only reason. And the Chiefs are bad this year. The Chiefs are bad this year. When you watch them play, you forget like they are not bad. They are so good. They are so all three phases. Arizona hits like a 51 yard punt in that wind. Cold out of bounds to start this entire thing. Big ass return happens. Toby on special teams is making plays all over the place. Their defense gets stopped whenever they need it. It's like this team is so good at football that you, you kind of forget to talk about it, you know. And this guy coming out of Fresno State, I think I saw. Oh my God, I'm so sorry for forgetting your name. There's a former NFL guy, he does commentary. He's good. He's on. He's on X. I follow him. 100% my fault. Whenever he was at Fresno State, this guy quotes me a highlight of him at Fresno was like this guy on the Chiefs is a problem. And then lo and behold, biggest game of the year. Him on the Chiefs is a problem. And it's like Andy Reed and Veach, the gm, have an incredible way of finding guys that are perfect for him. Xavier Worthy. They trade up with the Buffalo Bills to get Xavier Worthy, and in the biggest moment, they utilize this weapon that they thought could potentially come in and change the math for them. This catch, obviously, people aren't happy about because the ball hits the ground, but the ball can touch it ground, just as long as it doesn't move well. It was in nobody's possession. When it's ground. I agree. Okay. I don't know. I don't know where that is in the rule book. And obviously it favors the Chiefs, so people are going to be pissed about it. And I can understand why you would be, but it's like Jet sweeps. Everything they were doing with him, he is. He's a difference maker. Xavier Worthy, then Travis Kelce didn't even really get going yesterday until like the fourth quarter, whenever they really needed to make some plays. And it's like, wait till they see that entire operation. And then they got Nuke out there. His first time going to the super bowl, he said after the game, you know, they traded me for pennies in my prime. It's like everybody they brought into the team buys into what they are. You know, in meetings, we're on time, we're early in practice, we're tucked in. We're doing the entire thing. The way they go about doing their business is right. Even though people are saying the refs are always wrong. And Patrick Mahomes is special. This guy is just a competitor. He makes the right decision. He's. He's athletic, he can make every throw, and he's an absolute dog. Whether you like it or not, we're witnessing some magic happen. And Mahomes cannot spike a football. Yeah, that's the biggest downfall of this guy, is his spike is absolute shite. Spike is shite. Everything else great. Let's go to one half of the Hammer Cowboys AP tone. Both overs hit, I would assume those favorites covered. Normally that means public wins, but instead, everybody was pulling for the dogs.
- [65:30]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, they were pulling for the dogs. It was 66% on Washington yesterday and 71% on the bills. Now the public, as they normally are. We're both on both overs, so they got those there. But no, it was one of those rare situations where they. They did not take the favorites and they did not cover in that situation.
- [65:45]
Pat McAfee
We were talking about this this morning a little bit, and I mentioned it there to Connor. You know, the Colts haven't had a playoff Game in a long time. You know, I mean, doesn't seem right. That's nine year NFL vet Darius Jay Butler, former coach, Baby D. Buck, former Panther, former Patriot, but absolute dog. It's like the AFC championship would be so cool to have your team be a part of it. Just so cool. NFC championship, obviously be so cool to be a part of Super Bowl. These two teams now we're just going to talk about them for two weeks.
- [66:12]
Darius Butler
That's it.
- [66:12]
Pat McAfee
That's all we're talking. We're to highlight every player on their team. We're going to talk about every single angle. We're going to celebrate these two cities in these two franchises for two weeks now. Everybody on the Internet's like, I ain't so I'm. I'm a hate on them for two weeks straight. Whatever the case, your team is the focal point. There is a lot of teams that are nowhere near getting to this point, but the Eagles and Chiefs, they have been, you know, sustained greatness here over the last five, ten years. Fun to watch teams be able to do that. Fun for their cities as well.
- [66:39]
AJ Hawk
Yeah. So, so many different ways to build a team, too. And to see these two, two teams very different, in my opinion. And you talked about the Chiefs, all the guys who buy in and just do their. Do their job like tuning, moving out to tackle, doing what he's doing. Kareem Hunt back in that building, still making plays. Everybody just showing up when they show up. And then the Eagles, you've kind of seen, once they brought Saquon over, I felt like that was going to be the difference.
- [67:02]
Ty Schmidt
That's how you play football.
- [67:03]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, that's going to be the difference. Regardless of how long we've been playing football, especially in the playoffs, it comes down to running the ball and playing defense. Fangio obviously found, you know, he found his spot over there in Philly and the job that Sirianni has done. You talk about a lot of people on the Internet talk about him not doing shit, putting his staff together. This is his third time now. He's had to replace coordinators and back in the super bowl already. Jalen hurts, takes a lot of shit. I think he plays good football. He takes care of the football. He gets his team in a position to win more times than not. So I cannot wait for this matchup. And let's talk about it for the next couple of weeks.
- [67:34]
Pat McAfee
How about Saquon's Cav? Obviously, we'll talk about it. He continued to play after they showed him. Getting on the bike and rubbing and everything like that. Don't think he was as explosive, obviously as he was the first play where he takes it to the crib. But he's special, man. This guy is special. He is so good at the football. He is. And they bought into it. You know, when Christian McCaffrey goes over to the San Francisco 49ers, we wonder how's he going to fit in? They got weapons everywhere. They say, well, he's actually our guy and we are going to now not fit it. We're going to fit in around him. Same thing has happened with Saquon. I think there was some early adversity they had to get through. I think Devonte Smith, A.J. brown, obviously very good wide receivers, got paid a lot of money, expecting a lot of balls. Obviously there was like our past games a problem, yada, yada, yada. That was said by players on the team. But once they've all just kind of realized like, oh, this dude's different back here. Definitely worth $13.5 million a year. Oh, yeah, he's getting $250,000 bonus from winning the NFC championship. Another $250,000 available for if they win a Super Bowl. So 14 million, let alone all the other escalators. Let's go to New York Giants super fan Bruce Brown in the back. You think the Philadelphia Eagles are worried about 13 and a half million dollars going to Saquon? Bruce? No, certainly not.
- [68:47]
Connor
I mean, Howie Roseman has basically constructed the most perfect football team I've ever.
- [68:52]
Darius Butler
Seen, in my opinion, and basically is ruining my life.
- [68:55]
Pat McAfee
I mean, he's a top three running.
- [68:56]
Darius Butler
Back back in the league.
- [68:57]
Connor
You put him behind the best offensive line in the league and this is.
- [69:00]
Pat McAfee
What you get, you know, chasing down Eric Dickerson all the way. I love that. He has constructed the best football. You know how like Brock Purdy gets in trouble because he has so many weapons around him? He's not good. Yeah, Will Howard at Ohio State. This guy's not good. He's got so many weapons. Nick Sirianni now is being judged. He's got. He. What did he do now? He's head coach. He's got a good team around him. That's easy.
- [69:22]
Ty Schmidt
Okay, who told Howie O Line dealers line.
- [69:24]
Pat McAfee
Well, that's Sirianni's dad. So even more so. This guy didn't do anything. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, college football national champion super bowl champion R Cup winner, AJ Hawk age. What does Sirianni do? What? This guy doesn't do anything. And now he's getting. Who cares hey, Coach, going to another Super Bowl. We don't care about this guy. What a story over there in Philly.
- [69:44]
Tone
AJ Yeah, Philly is awesome. It's. It's great to see coach Siriani too and his presser letting more multiple people know to tongue is beanbag. So that's a new development that I was happy to see, actually.
- [69:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I don't know if that was his first choice to say. I'm not 100% sure. I. I wasn't there. Obviously. Live press conference. There are some people on the Internet that are thinking that that was definitely coach Sirianni. So that's making its rounds. I'm sure there's going to have to be some sort of statement, community note. Think about that age. If that gets community note noted, please, Mike.
- [70:18]
Tone
It will people. Absolutely. People will take it for like, that'll be the real thing for them.
- [70:23]
Pat McAfee
What do you mean?
- [70:25]
Tone
I mean, yeah. So, yeah. So no, there's no community notes then. We're good.
- [70:28]
Pat McAfee
Well, Hulkster too. That got community noted when Hulkster did his press conference live on the show promoting his Real American Beer. But Sirianni and this team and you know, I kind of. I. I literally went after AQ Shipley a little bit. Bit, you know, and that's Devonte Smith being a part of the Gatorade bath alongside AJ Brown on Sirianni. And think about everything that they've had to deal with. They've had to bury their ego and their pride a little bit that they are no longer the stars. They are stars on team, but they are no longer the point of the team, of the offense. That is Saquon Barkley. We read a Hembo stat earlier this season. They have called 725 rushes, only 517 passes.
- [71:08]
Darius Butler
So.
- [71:08]
Pat McAfee
So, you know, like the two star wide receivers, wide receivers are who they are. They want the ball. Especially whenever they get paid. They are supposed like, hey, this is what we're here for. You give me the ball next contract. Nowhere near as high if I don't get the ball. So always going to want to be a hungry wide receiver. If you want a good wide receiver, they're going to be hungry. They've had to kind of swallow their ego, swallow their pride. Well, how do they do that? Well, the head coach probably has to do a lot of navigating of emotions and feelings and framing of mindsets and conversations. So them being the ones that dump that on Sirianni head, I think is a massive message. I think that's a big deal, AJ Legitimately, I Think that's a big deal for Sirianni?
- [71:49]
Tone
It's a huge deal. I mean we look around the league, there's guys getting fired every single year because they can't seem to, to get their culture right and get. There's always problems. We know with all the egos, everything going on in the locker room, their head coach, the good ones, they, you just, it's really hard to replace and to find them. But honestly I want to, I want to hit on the Eagles defense for a second. We hear about all their, the commanders turn the ball over like now these, they, they forced these damn turnovers. This Eagles team like watch bond like great hustle obviously to get there. Then bam. Just absolutely perfect. Oren Burks had another great one. He stepped up for Nakobe Dean. Like this Eagles defense is fun to watch and they are absolutely relentless. So that's, that's, that's honestly what I took away. First place Saquon. This dude is special. We know that. Everything about him is crazy. And the, the Eagles offensive line I was impressed with at the same time. But man, this defense for Philly, like they are fun to watch and they, they force these turnovers.
- [72:40]
Pat McAfee
I appreciate what you said there too about that defense because they had to be resilient. You know, Washington came out and had a 17 play drive to start this game. Went forward on two different fourth downs, got it end up kicking a field goal. It was very similar to the beginning of that national championship when Notre Dame won a on an 18 play scoring drive. And I think Lathan Ransom came out and said Jack Sawyer gave the best pregame speech I'd ever heard in my life. And then Riley and Notre Dame co on an 18 play drive to start it all. And it's like, well, speech doesn't mean shit. It's like, well maybe it caught up afterwards because I think it went for negative 4 yards net until the second half. It's like what their defense had to do 17 plays, giving up multiple fourth downs. Jaden Daniels unconscious on fourth downs too. I don't know why they didn't just play four down football. Yeah, legit. I don't know why he kicked field goal. I guess because it was close. It was makeable. It was fourth and longer than what they thought was manageable. And then whenever they go to punt trust Wade throws a perfect fake. It's like I love the way that Commander's team chose to play. I like the way they decided to go about things all season. Shout to them in their future. But back to your Point. It wasn't turnovers. You're saying this was takeaways? This team was taking the ball away. They had a nasty, like kind of aggressive mindset about that ball is ours. You just happen to be holding it. Zach Bond, not a member of the exciting whites. Is what we've been told.
- [73:58]
AJ Hawk
By who? Black guy?
- [74:00]
Connor
You sure?
- [74:01]
Darius Butler
But you. Are you sure about that?
- [74:03]
AJ Hawk
Not positive.
- [74:04]
Darius Butler
Okay, so then you're gonna say that I'm. I can just say white guy then, right? And he's on team white guy.
- [74:09]
Pat McAfee
We got a DM from somebody. Well, granted, who knows if it's real or not? Not. They said he's not a member of the exciting whites. Okay, he's not a member of exciting whites.
- [74:18]
Darius Butler
But is this like a debut situation where he like can be on the exciting whites but everybody wants him?
- [74:26]
Pat McAfee
What are you talking about?
- [74:27]
Darius Butler
But I feel like everybody wants to claim Zach Bond because he's so good at football.
- [74:30]
Pat McAfee
Speaking of Zach Bon, who's so good at football, he was a special teamer. Yeah, the Eagles. Now he's defensive player of the year. Yeah. Flying around. One year deal. The amount of money he's going to make, he is, he's everywhere. And I love how much he hits his helmet. I like any linebacker that like hits his helmet like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you're a special teamer, sign a one year deal. The amount of people that have doubted you, the amount of people that you have had to like, kind of overcome, the amount of stories that have been told about you not being able to be a guy and then getting an opportunity to do as such and taking advantage of his opportunity, let alone that play. But every play he's made, made all damn year, he's special. This Zach Bond guy is special. Perfect for Nick Sirianni. Dog mentality, Kibbles and Bits guy could.
- [75:13]
AJ Hawk
Be, could be the defensive player of the year. And what AJ Said about his defense, do we remember how bad this defense was down the stretch last year? Where they were going from coordinator, then putting Maddie P. As a coordinator, like four or five weeks left and then for him to have this type of turnaround, you bring in a Zach Bond, you draft Quinon Mitchell, who's. Who's been phenomenal. He locked up Scarry Terry again yesterday. You draft Cooper DeJean, you put him in there. Reed Blankenship, CJ, GJ's back. Slade's still playing big time ball just up front. The second level, you lose a guy like Dean, have guys to step up. Like just an unbelievable drive from top to Bottom in Philly, what they've been.
- [75:48]
Pat McAfee
I love the coup.
- [75:49]
Connor
Yeah, great.
- [75:51]
Pat McAfee
Love it. Anytime he does anything as he's going out to return a punt, even coo they're doing anytime you go one of those names, you know, that feels good. And they love them over there. As they should. Guys got moxie. He and Blankenship are doing a lot. They're doing a lot. Yeah. On a big. On the biggest stage here now. They're gonna be doing a lot.
- [76:09]
Darius Butler
Flying around.
- [76:09]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Need them, need them look fast more than ever. Yeah. Jump high. Maybe some more dances too. Let's work on some rhythm, boys. Let's get some rhythm out there, you know, let's do it. All the exciting alongside Zach Bond, their first turnover of the game. And that was basically a message that was being sent for the rest of the entire NFC championship.
- [76:30]
Ty Schmidt
Going back to you talking about Devonta Smith and AJ Brown and you talk about, you know, how, you know, they were used to getting a lot more footballs and now the Saquon comes in there they are running a ton. You talk like the 60 yard touchdowns he's got more than in the history of NFL. Like those are 20 yard runs if they aren't blocking downfield. And like A.J. brown is burying dudes in the ground on every single running play.
- [76:50]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, he's.
- [76:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. That's like. We talk about the Kansas City Chiefs. Travis Kelce lead blocking for Patrick Mahomes on that touchdown. Like, that's beautiful. That's laying it all in the line for your team. And let's talk about the Chiefs age. Big story is Josh Allen got the first down. Big story is that ball hit the ground. Big story is yet again, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce. That's terrible. I mean, that was really. I don't know how that happened. I don't. Honestly, I don't know how that happened. Happens with Patrick Mahomes. That's the first real slip up I've ever seen for Patrick Mahomes where I go, what's wrong with this guy? Is everything okay? He would end up doing just fine later after this. But that's the conversation. I think people want to diminish what the Chiefs are strictly because there are some certain situations where it's like, but this team's great H at all levels on all phases.
- [77:40]
Tone
Oh, I mean, they're. It's crazy to think like they have that mystique, that aura about them. It's very similar to what the Patriots had for a while where teams. I'm not saying teams are intimidated or anything, but when you watch the Chiefs play, you. You expect them to win the game. Almost like no matter what the score is in the fourth quarter, whatever it is, if there's any kind of possibility, like, okay, Patrick Mahomes, and this team is going to figure it out. And beautiful, beautiful call by Spags at the end with the blitz taking them kind of. Kind of catching them off guard a little bit. Josh Allen does an unbelievable job to try to make something of it. Yeah, this would have been a tough catch. I agree. But, man, what a beautiful call by Spags. This defense, another underrated part of the team, but I think we. We've talked about it more. Spags gets a lot of pub, but I think they have a bunch of, like, individual superstars on this defense, but they play so well together.
- [78:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Bring a corner blitz on, force Don to win the game. And obviously you can draw that up in a meeting. You could say, this is what we're going to do in the situation. Kincaid knows he has to catch that. The. The fact that Josh Allen found him in that moment, insane. But Spags isn't scared. And what Spags has done as a D.C. is historic. First ballot, hall of Fame stuff, obviously. He's won, what, four Super Bowls. One with New York Giants, three with Kansas City Chiefs. That's more than any coordinator in history. I saw somebody tweet. The fact that they've just let Spags remain with the Chiefs and not become a head coach somewhere is even more inside information that the NFL wants this Chiefs to. To be the next dynasty. Because there's some people out there in the coaching world that think the NFL basically says, like, this is a head coach now. You know, behind the scenes, there's a list. People say, you know, there's a list that is made like, hey, this is the list of people you can hire from.
- [79:23]
Tone
Can we see it?
- [79:24]
Pat McAfee
I've never seen it, but you've heard people that don't get jobs say, well, I'm not on the list. It's like, well, what's the list? Well, you know, the NFL makes a list of head coaching candidates, GM candidates. You got to be on the list. That's where the teams go to. It's like, I've never seen it, but you definitely heard of it before. And people are saying, has Spags not been on? Why Spags not on that list? Good question. Why? Why. Why Spags not getting any interviews? This guy just wins Super Bowls. That's all he does. When everybody's talking about the offense on his team. All he has is a defense that's able to stop Josh Allen seemingly every single time. Josh Allen. Allen needs to make a play. How come Spags isn't a head coach? How come everybody's saying Aaron Glenn's definitely going to get a head coaching job? How come nobody's saying Spags is definitely going to get a head coaching job? That is a good question. Is it because Spags is just cool with not doing it all? Spags is okay with just being a DC Just being a defense coordinator for the best team in football at the time? I don't know. I legitimately don't know. But I did respect that somebody mentioned it. Oh, you think the first down call is bad? Bad. Dalton Kincaid and Josh Allen. You think the ball hitting the ground and them getting a completion is bad? You think all that other stuff. How about them just being allowed to keep Spags as their defensive coordinator? What the hell is that about? I'm like, didn't even think about it. But why is Spag's name not up for any of these head coaching jobs?
- [80:38]
Darius Butler
Yeah, it's ridiculous. All names from all secret lists need to be revealed.
- [80:41]
Pat McAfee
But agreed, I think they're coming too. I don't know about that.
- [80:45]
Darius Butler
Is kind of the word on the.
- [80:46]
Pat McAfee
Couple that probably won't respect bags. And why.
- [80:49]
Darius Butler
Wait, why are you on one? You have inside info?
- [80:51]
Tone
No, I want everything out there. I'm for transparency. You know that.
- [80:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, absolutely. That's why you don't tan. You want to be as white as possible.
- [80:59]
Tone
Well, it's not my choice, but yeah, yeah, right.
- [81:01]
Darius Butler
Yeah. But with Spags, it feels like there are those coaches that become head coaches and then once they go through all the. That you have to deal with, I mean, to our point about Sirianni, all the things that you have to deal with as a head coach, like, you're just kind of over the that and you want to go back to just being, you know, a football coach. We saw it with Chip Kelly at Ohio State and granted that's college, but that is kind of the same type of thing where you're taking a, instead of taking a head coaching job, you're just going to be a coordinator. Because then all you have to worry about is coaching ball. And Spags just kind of falls under that list. And there are other guys too, like Todd Monkin. They're talking about, like, why the hell isn't he getting a head coaching job, but he just might not want to be a head coach.
- [81:39]
Pat McAfee
It was reported that Spags Jags interviewed with the jets and the Jags and Las Vegas reached out for a potential interview and he didn't get the job, obviously this cycle. Yeah, allegedly. I didn't know. I didn't know that either.
- [81:52]
Darius Butler
Jags. I remember him being on the list, but yeah, I forgot that if he actually took the interview and then what.
- [81:57]
Pat McAfee
If he just shows up and they go, why do you want to be a head coach? I don't, so just get someone.
- [82:02]
Ty Schmidt
I know what it is. Teams get real, real antsy in their pantsy and they want to name their head coach.
- [82:07]
Tone
Okay.
- [82:07]
Ty Schmidt
And they're tired of what, wait until after the super bowl to have to potentially name spikes.
- [82:11]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it might have been Kelly Moe's issue.
- [82:12]
Connor
Yeah.
- [82:13]
Ty Schmidt
Could have been Kelly Moe's issue.
- [82:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Kelly Moe's still coaching, obviously, with Philadelphia Eagles. That offense is awesome. It's. It's special that we could take a trip back in time but still have more explosive plays than anybody else. Like what Saquon in that offensive line is able to do. And obviously the wide receivers blocking down and them sticking and staying committed to it. This is old school school football, A.J. they're going to come and get you. They're going to try to run you over, run through you, run around you, however you can do it. And he's untackleable, seemingly. And somehow he only gets faster as he moves down the field. He's special. This team's special. And this is what people thought you couldn't do in a modern day and age and win. AJ Yeah, I know.
- [82:52]
Tone
I think, I mean, credit to Jalen hurts too, though. I think he played one of his best games in a while. He didn't have to do everything, but he did absolutely what he needed to do to. To get that team. Man, just look at the O lineman downfield, pushing dudes, knocking dudes over. Like, that's what, that's what this team is about. Exactly what you're saying. Like, superstar receivers blocking downfield every, like, like going back to Sirianni's whole situation. You tell me this whole team's not bought in. Like, this guy has figured it out. He's got these guys as you. What do you say? Rowing in the same direction, like going towards the same goal. Like they. They all seem to be bought in and especially the right time of the year, too. This is when you need to be bought in.
- [83:26]
Pat McAfee
Okay, back to my point. So AQ Shipley said the Philadelphia Eagle had the best offensive line in football. Then he ranked them number six out of eight teams that were left in the playoffs because he didn't think Jalen Hurts is going to be able to make any plays or make any throws whenever he need to. He wasn't the only one that thought that. A lot of people thought that and I kept asking him. I thought we literally judged teams by their offensive line. I thought we were able to tell who could win and who could lose because of their offensive line. It's like Philadelphia's proving that if you have a great offensive line and a great run game, you can win. You can make it to the Super Bowl. Will there be more teams that'll be trying to do this? Is this what modern football now is? As opposed to being wide ass open which granted Devontae Smith, A.J. brown out there, Goddard getting the ball a lot. Dog Goddard was getting the ball a lot. Even ran the ball, handed it to him. Yeah, inside handoff on Goddard. So they got weapons outside. I'm not saying that they won't have to make a throw. And Jalen had to make a throw. Fourth down had to make a throw late in the game. He had to make some throws. But it feels like they are very okay just being a run first run, dominant team, offensive line carries this entire squad. I feel like more teams are going to start doing this, especially if it has success because it's a monkey see, monkey do league. Do you agree with that, D. Budge?
- [84:35]
AJ Hawk
I mean you can. They're still creating explosive plays and it is, you know, Saquon is obviously a huge part of that. But this offensive line and then Jalen hurts and AJ Knows this, what you have to do as a defense when a guy like that is in gun, you know, next to Saquon, you always have to respect that extra element of the quarterback run game. And then I think Kelly Mo did a great job kind of getting Jalen Hurts moving out of the pocket early, getting some easy completions, just getting him kind of in a rhythm because when they're throwing the ball, making those completes. You saw the big fourth down and he hit the A.J. brown down the field. Like if A.J. brown is one on one, he's going to win that nine times out of 10. The same thing with Devonte. So I think you'll try to build a team like that. This. But I've. I don't think I've ever seen a team that gets as many explosive plays in the run game like the Philadelphia Eagles does. And that's. And that's not just Saquon is Jalen Hurts getting into the right plays. Is Kellen Moore drawing it up and then the Saquon taking what would be 20 yard gains and making them 70 yard games.
- [85:28]
Pat McAfee
Most 60 yard runs in the history of the NFL. Saquon this year with the Philadelphia Eagles. Explosives. There's a hembo stat here on explosives. Then he sent me take care of.
- [85:39]
AJ Hawk
The football too, man. Like that's. That's not turning the football over is huge. Especially when you have a good defense and a good run game. Just taking care of the football will. That's how you don't beat yourself.
- [85:49]
Pat McAfee
Explosive play margin. Entering the Super Bowl. Explosive plays has kind of been the stat of the year. You know because there was a lot of mud football early.
- [85:56]
Darius Butler
It's a new one.
- [85:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Explosive stats has become 20 plus yard plays has become the stat to look at. Explosive play margin any entering the Super Bowl. Eagles plus 47. Chiefs minus 16. Crazy. That's wild. That is a huge. But the Chiefs have been out gained a lot.
- [86:14]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [86:14]
Pat McAfee
And they've won the games. The Chiefs have obviously been outplayed a lot and they've won the games.
- [86:19]
Darius Butler
Pacheco.
- [86:20]
Pat McAfee
The Chiefs just know how to win football games.
- [86:23]
AJ Hawk
Was this their first 30 point game?
- [86:25]
Ty Schmidt
Yes.
- [86:25]
Darius Butler
Yes.
- [86:26]
Pat McAfee
Best. Best game they've had all year since.
- [86:27]
Ty Schmidt
Week 12 of last season.
- [86:29]
Pat McAfee
That's crazy. I think best that they've. Best that they've ever done in going back to Jaylen Herz and talking about their explosive plays and having to be able to throw it. I thought Tom was good. I enjoyed Tom Brady.
- [86:40]
Darius Butler
I think he's great now.
- [86:41]
Pat McAfee
I thought. I thought Tom was very good. Speaking from experience of these massive games. And then there was multiple times where he's like Jaylen throw it. Like they're showing the replay. Because the big convo is Jalen holds on to it too long. That's why he takes too many sacks. He's like as soon as the ball, as soon as they were lined up, AJ Brown was one on one on the outside. He's like this is an easy no brainer here. You get back, you throw this thing up to him. Jalen holds on to it. Jalen holds on to it. It's like I thought Tom did a fantastic job calling the game and he still did his like excitable things. I think Tom has really grown into his own. I appreciated him yesterday a lot on the call.
- [87:16]
Darius Butler
From like week one to where we are now. It's like two completely different broadcasters. Almost like Tom is so good now. And I would even argue Tony Romo like Tony Romo in his intro. I think Tony was hated A lot. And I've been on this. This wheel of Tony Romo for quite some time where I loved him immediately and I hated him. And I loved him and I hate him. And I'm back to loving him because he kind of knows who he is now. Like, right away in the intro. He. He like said all this stuff and then he did like a Here we go, Jim. And looked at the camera.
- [87:45]
Pat McAfee
He knows, like, knowing that everyone's making fun of him for his hair real thick.
- [87:49]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he's phenomenal.
- [87:50]
Pat McAfee
His hair. Real Taylor Swift impression was spot on as well.
- [87:53]
Darius Butler
Awesome.
- [87:54]
Pat McAfee
I like. I like the juice. We got a white.
- [87:56]
Darius Butler
A white.
- [87:56]
Pat McAfee
A Jim. Interesting. Jim had an interesting game too. Jim Nance, he's always so damn smooth him down on obviously the stage doing a celebration. And Travis Kelsey's got a new song.
- [88:06]
Darius Butler
Yeah, he does.
- [88:07]
Pat McAfee
Do a little thing. Make a little love get down tonight yeah, get down and I.
- [88:15]
Connor
What are we doing?
- [88:15]
Darius Butler
I didn't hear anyone say that.
- [88:17]
Ty Schmidt
That was interesting.
- [88:18]
Connor
If it's not broke, don't fix it.
- [88:20]
Pat McAfee
You got a fight. Ban it for your ride. Ban it.
- [88:28]
Connor
Do that again. Like, we.
- [88:29]
Pat McAfee
I mean, he's not a one trick pony. What do you want this guy to do?
- [88:32]
Connor
You can be in that situation, though. Like, that. That situation doesn't call for, like, hey, I. Let's do a new song. Let's do a new song this time. And hopefully everyone's with you. Me. And they kind of were. I mean, you got a little bit of it, but if he does fight for your rights. That place is raucous and it's going crazy. And they know exactly what's.
- [88:49]
Pat McAfee
I didn't like all the confetti coming at weird times so much. Yeah. Like, there's one dump of confetti and everybody's like, whoa, a lot of confetti. And then it was like, all right, New introduction of person. Well, more confetti. It was like there. There was. There was like four different sheets of confetti that just kind of blocked off the entire video. And obviously there's mama Kelsey with great chocolate chip cookie recipe and Taylor Swift, biggest star on earth. Do little things get down tonight. Yeah, they said it. Yeah, they said it. Yeah.
- [89:18]
Darius Butler
Oh, really?
- [89:19]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we heard it. And have microphone on a crowd.
- [89:20]
Darius Butler
I must have seen a different video.
- [89:22]
Pat McAfee
Mic foot on a crowd.
- [89:22]
Darius Butler
I didn't hear anyone say it.
- [89:24]
Pat McAfee
No. Didn't have microphone on. Crowd.
- [89:25]
AJ Hawk
You hear anyone?
- [89:26]
Darius Butler
No, I heard him cheer. I just never. I didn't hear anyone do the.
- [89:29]
Tone
They were singing.
- [89:30]
Pat McAfee
It's a tough Tough call.
- [89:32]
Ty Schmidt
Popular song.
- [89:33]
Pat McAfee
That's. Everybody knows the song.
- [89:34]
Darius Butler
You got to fight for your right to party. Sweet.
- [89:36]
Pat McAfee
That's his thing.
- [89:37]
Connor
Yeah.
- [89:37]
Darius Butler
And they fought for their right to.
- [89:40]
Pat McAfee
Party by Down New Orleans too. Big party. Yeah. Yeah. But they got D tonight. I don't know if got D tonight.
- [89:46]
Darius Butler
I don't know if anyone did.
- [89:47]
Pat McAfee
People were having sex last night in Kansas City.
- [89:49]
Darius Butler
I'm sure they were. I'm sure there was plenty of boning.
- [89:52]
Connor
Whiskey dick too though.
- [89:53]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [89:54]
Pat McAfee
Cuz how cold it was.
- [89:56]
Darius Butler
Some brisket guts as well.
- [89:58]
Pat McAfee
Well, it's Philadelphia. I saw a guy walking around with it.
- [90:01]
Connor
That was awesome.
- [90:02]
Pat McAfee
Did you see that?
- [90:03]
Darius Butler
The pig roast. Yeah. The grocery cart.
- [90:05]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. The mobile.
- [90:05]
Tone
Genius.
- [90:06]
Pat McAfee
Genius. That's what I'm talking about. How come these, how come the ingenuity of these sports fans is just so much higher than everywhere else? You know, we need to put them in positions of power. Maybe we'll get a new phone. This is awesome. Look at that. John. Hey listen, it's not ready yet, but you want me or me. And well we got watch it about 10, 15 minutes. I'm be over here at the green lot. You come see me there. Just rolling around with fire, cooking up a beast about it. What were you gonna say there, Tone? I saw a stat or two. Andrew Brain.
- [90:37]
Ty Schmidt
Yes they did. I believe on the program yesterday, the broadcast, I think it's se. Is that 17 straight games, one score games that the Chiefs have won. And then you were talking about, you know how.
- [90:46]
Pat McAfee
Which is a skill.
- [90:46]
Ty Schmidt
Which is very much a skill. And you're talking about the running game. I was looking, I. I went immediately looked it up. Baltimore number one, really good team. Philly, Detroit, Washington is number four and then Buffalo's number nine. So a lot of those teams are in the top 10 rushing chiefs are 23rd. So I mean they don't. They just win ball games. They don't have to do what everyone else does.
- [91:04]
Pat McAfee
Rush out games, outplay, doesn't matter. They're going to play, they're going to win.
- [91:08]
AJ Hawk
Best 3rd down team all year.
- [91:09]
Ty Schmidt
That makes sense.
- [91:10]
AJ Hawk
Yeah. All year long. And then they don't turn the ball over.
- [91:13]
Tone
They don't beat themselves too. Ever.
- [91:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [91:15]
Tone
Like when's the last time the Chiefs beat themselves? Never.
- [91:18]
Darius Butler
It was actually the Bills game this year during the regular season. When you said that reminded me. Mahomes threw a pick on his first and last throw of the game against the Bills in Buffalo this year. And that was the last time they turned the ball over.
- [91:28]
Pat McAfee
So many stats coming through from Hembo. It's hard to kind of accurately depict what matters and what doesn't. The Chiefs have not tallied more penalties than their opponent in 12 consecutive playoff games. Okay, they're disciplined.
- [91:41]
AJ Hawk
Very disciplined.
- [91:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [91:43]
Darius Butler
Is that what that's saying?
- [91:44]
Connor
Dimiko Ryan said this like last week. He was like, we know what it means when you go in and play the Chiefs. Like it's, it's almost like around the league. Like people understand, like there's a chance they might get a call or two. But we talked about this all last week leading up in the game. Like you have to beat them by 10 to 13 points. You have to. You can't go. You can't beat them in a one score game. Like, it just it. Because if it comes down to it, they're going to score and they're going to win. They've done it time and time again. Until someone does that, like, they're not going to lose.
- [92:10]
Pat McAfee
Another Hembo. Stat here about spags. Spags is 24 in the playoffs as a defensive coordinator. 20 wins, four losses. Some of the highlights here, he's beaten Josh Allen four times in the playoffs. He beat Lamar Jackson last year, obviously ending his MVP season. And he beat Brett Favre in Lambeau. Then ended Tom Brady's undefeated season in 2007. This guy's been doing it a long time. 24 in the playoffs. Unbelievable stuff. Last three playoff meetings. Patrick Mahomes has nine touchdowns against the Buffalo Bills. Nine touchdowns, one turnover, four sacks taken. Josh Allen, nine touchdowns, zero turnovers, four sacks taken. So I guess you could probably say Josh Allen has outplayed. What do we think about Josh Allen? I'm bummed out for this guy. Bummed out.
- [92:55]
Tone
Really, really bummed out for him, obviously. Yeah. Playing against the Chiefs in this era with Patrick Mahomes and all they're doing. And it's, it's unfortunate that he has to do that, but I mean, the dude is special. The dude is awesome. I think he still finds a way to get at least one ring eventually, maybe more. But yeah, like, I'm not down on him at all. I feel terrible for him.
- [93:12]
Pat McAfee
Maybe, maybe. We hope he does. We hope he gets ring because obviously he's. We hope he gets an MVP at some point, like we are hoping, but nothing is promised in the NFL. Josh Allen is currently 0 and 4 versus Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs. Philip Rivers was 03 versus Tom Brady in the playoffs. Brett Favre was 03 versus Troy Aikman in the playoffs. Bernie Kozar was 03 versus John Elway in the playoffs. Dan Marino 03 versus Jim Kelly. Those are the worst head to head records in playoff history. Josh now owns the worst head to head record in playoff.
- [93:44]
Ty Schmidt
This is why the Chiefs are assholes, okay? Because at least the Patriots in their dynasty runs. They let Ben sneak through a couple times. They let Peyton sneak through a couple times. They even let Joe Flacco sneak through one time. Chiefs don't let anyone else win and that's bullshit.
- [93:56]
Pat McAfee
Joe Burrow slid through.
- [93:57]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, Joe Burrow did slide through.
- [93:59]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Since everybody and he didn't get the job done. Yeah.
- [94:01]
Darius Butler
And they may never go back. Like there's a reality we live in where Burrow, Lamar and Josh Allen like one of those guys or all of them or two of them aren't going to win a Super Bowl.
- [94:11]
Pat McAfee
Buffalo has allowed 27 plus points in each of its last five playoff losses. Averages 33.2 points given up over that spot fan. 20 touchdowns, 6 sacks, 3 takeaways is the Buffalo Bills defense and then in playoff history. I've not read this one yet so I'm excited to see where Himbo takes this one. He's just coming through going around. This could be. This could be a stat that you know.
- [94:35]
Darius Butler
Hopefully not.
- [94:35]
Pat McAfee
Shifter 1 We have to piece. Well Shefter was in the middle. They were killing Chef man. Shut up shfter. Yeah, right.
- [94:42]
AJ Hawk
You don't think he had a clue when he put it out?
- [94:44]
Pat McAfee
Facts. Send it out there and say I'm just telling you what facts are. Just no agenda.
- [94:48]
Tone
No agenda. No agenda. No agenda. No intention or no. Yeah. No intention.
- [94:52]
Pat McAfee
In playoff history, teams to score three plus touchdowns in a turnover free game are 140 wins and 19 losses. Josh Allen is the only quarterback with multiple such losses and he has three, all against the Chiefs within the last four seasons. 140 and 19 without Josh Allen. 140 and 16 and three of them are in the last four seasons. It's like he plays great ball in the biggest moment and can't get to the Super Bowl. Can't win a Super Bowl. Not going to win the MVP either this year we assume because Lamar Jackson got first team all pro with the same voters that are doing the MVP vote. Even though maybe Saquon, who certainly arguably worthy of the MVP might have eaten up some of the votes. But it's like Josh Allen's doing everything he can do I there man. Josh Allen is playing his best ball on the biggest stages and people 20 years from now are going to say Josh just wasn't Good enough. It's like he is, though. He certainly is. He just can't get past this juggernaut that is the Kansas City Chiefs.
- [95:56]
Connor
He kind of reminds me of Rogers a little bit because, like, this is what the packers went through for a long time before they. Well, you know, I mean, they won a Super bowl in there, but like, it was the same thing. They'd score a bunch of points on offense and their defense was always given up 42, 49 points. Like they. And now he never had. Rogers never had like a Mahomes type guy in the NFC that he was kind of butting heads with that he could never get past. But like, at a certain point, it's like, what more do you want Josh Allen to do? Does he need to get in there and like play linebacker or DN2 and like try to, you know, get a couple sacks or force a couple turnovers? Like there's not much more. He could have done less or James.
- [96:30]
Pat McAfee
Cook, he's special, absent.
- [96:32]
Ty Schmidt
He needs to be able to feel more.
- [96:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that stretch out. Yeah, exactly. I don't know why later he's not in. I mean, that's certainly something Joe Brady and McDermott are going to have to answer for. Now, obviously McDermott's a defensive coach, but he is certainly going to have to take the blame for all a lot of the decisions that get made in things. But James Cook, Dalvin Cook saying 20 mil a year will do. This guy feels like. You see what Saquon just did. Go ahead and put James Cook in an offense, have him be the focal point and see what happens. James Cook is a dog. Since their team, since Joe Brady has become the offensive coordinator, they put a lot more attention in the ball, in the hands of that guy, and they've been massively better. No doubt about it. Buffalo, including the playoffs and bus stat, The Bills played 13 turnover free games this season. That is the most by any team in a season since the stat has been tracked in 1933.
- [97:22]
AJ Hawk
Damn.
- [97:22]
Pat McAfee
So he played like the most efficient football either of all season. Offense. Josh Allen's going to have a. A dumbass turnover in an inopportune time. It's like 13 turnover free games this season. Still don't win anything. Don't. Didn't win the afc.
- [97:36]
Darius Butler
Nope.
- [97:37]
Pat McAfee
Might not win the mvp. Won't win the Super Bowl. Buffalo's last championship, the city as a whole came in 1965 in the AFL.
- [97:47]
Darius Butler
Jeez.
- [97:48]
Pat McAfee
Even their hockey team says Hambo. Sorry about it. Sabers Fans. They've played 53 seasons have never won a title. Buffalo has been trophyless championshipless since 1965. Those people deserve it. The four falls. Those people don't deserve that. They deserve a championship. Four Falls of Buffalo or whatever that.
- [98:08]
Ty Schmidt
30 for 34 Super Bowls. Four straight Super Bowls.
- [98:10]
Darius Butler
They had to win a Buffalo wing world championship or something.
- [98:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think they're just talking about the major sports, but.
- [98:17]
Darius Butler
Oh, okay.
- [98:18]
Pat McAfee
You're right. Wingies.
- [98:19]
Darius Butler
Yeah, they win there.
- [98:22]
Pat McAfee
They got great wingies.
- [98:23]
Darius Butler
Great wingies.
- [98:24]
Pat McAfee
Anchor bar. Massive respect. Thank you for creating the Buffalo wingy. Not the best wingy, I don't think, personally.
- [98:31]
Connor
Okay.
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Pat McAfee
There's other wings in Buffalo that are anchor wings. Small. You ever seen them? You ever had them?
- [98:38]
AJ Hawk
I don't think so.
- [98:39]
Pat McAfee
You've never had anchor wings? I don't think so. The original Buffalo wing bunch from Buffalo. Yeah, yeah, those of Buffalo. Dude, it's a great city. That's the pro championships. Don't. Okay. Is that what you're saying? You're trying to Power 65.
- [98:56]
Ty Schmidt
It really felt like it was the.
- [98:58]
Pat McAfee
Bills year this year. Yeah. I was texting with Nick during the game. It was a battle. It was a good joust. Great joust. They had to lead in fourth. I mean, it is like every time they play or lead changes is a great game. Yeah, I mean, that is. And there's some stat about Patrick. Patrick Mahomes being down in the fourth quarter, coming back and winning. He's the most in the history of the NFL or something like that.
- [99:18]
Darius Butler
Yeah, he's like nine for nine on those types of drives and like clutch.
- [99:21]
Pat McAfee
Since 1950, there are 241 starting quarterbacks that have trailed in the fourth quarter of a game at least 25 times. Patrick Mahomes is the only quarterback out of the 241 to help lead his team to a win in at least 50% of those stats. It's like, of course he is this guy. He just wins. He just wins. And people are saying, well, it's because the refs. It's like. Or maybe he's special. Maybe. Maybe we're watching a special competitor here who just so happens to play football. If he would play baseball, I assume he'd be great. If he was to play anything, do anything, I assume he'd be great. We just so happen are lucky enough to have him in the NFL. Even though people are hating him now, whenever he's 29 years old, whenever people talk about his story, whenever it's done, it's like, this dude is one of one. This dude is special. And the team they built around him, obviously, great juju. Smith Schuster. Read his name on the Internet for a situation that was happening up in New England. Then he has his biggest game he's had all year for the Kansas City Chiefs. But it's like, this dude's unbelievable. This dude is special. And we're lucky he picked football as opposed to any other sport he probably could have played.
- [100:24]
Tone
AJ yeah, think. I mean, the fact that how he was able to use his legs last night and how he ran the ball like, that's just what it is. Hey, whatever it takes for this team to win, I'll find a way to will this team and win. Obviously, we know it's a team game. His defense plays well, he has great players around him. But, man, like, the confidence that he exudes, that trickles down. Something I mentioned all the time. And when you have a guy like Patrick Mahomes, I think your team feels like, hey, what do you. We're fine. No matter what. We are good to go. We are going to win this game.
- [100:51]
Pat McAfee
You know, what's interesting is Travis and Patrick are obviously the two biggest stars, and sometimes they can shy away from that. You know, that's something you could potentially shy. Those two are the first two running out, you know, of the tunnel. Those two are the ones talking to the group. It's like those two understand, like, hey, this is our team. Patrick Mahomes understands his importance. He understands his position. So does Travis in this entire thing. Even if Travis doesn't have his biggest game, he's still very important to the entire process of them winning. Pacheco gets hurt during the season. Him back being healthy is awesome. That's a huge first down. They thought he stayed in bounds. He went out of bounds, stopped the clock. But then they have to make another play. No problem. Let's get to P. Ryan, who's obviously great for the Cincinnati Bengals. He comes in, nobody's going to expect him to get the ball. First down, this game's over. We're going to another Super Bowl. It's like in the biggest moments we saw last year with the Colts, our backup running back leaks out.
- [101:43]
AJ Hawk
The first thing I thought about.
- [101:44]
Pat McAfee
Me too. Me too. And Shane Steichen, whenever he was asked, like, why would you put a guy that hasn't been in in that situation in that situation? And I don't know if Shane said it publicly or just to us personally, but he said, you think the Houston Texans thought he was getting the ball in that situation? That's why he was wide ass Open. You think the Buffalo Bills thought P. Ryan was going to get the ball coming out of the backfield there? No, that's why he's wide ass open. He obviously catches it because he's a big time player and it's a big time moment. He's been there before, especially with Cincinnati. But he gets a first down, that game's over. Nobody's expecting nobody. And that's Andy Reid football right there. And that's them executed.
- [102:19]
AJ Hawk
As we always talk about, the little things don't show up until they show up. This play was, was an example of that because earlier in the game they ran a very similar play with P. Ron in the game and I think they threw it to either Hollywood Brown or Xavier Worthy on a crossing route. And then the, the, the Russian touchdown that Patrick Mahomes had with when Travis Kelsey was the lead blocker. They ran that same formation, that same play on a Kareem Hunt touchdown earlier in the game. So it's like they're always playing chess, kind of setting you up for when the games and the plays matter the most. And that last play we talk about, you know, Josh Allen playing great and him falling short. That opportunity to answer and that fourth and five, that's where kind of coaching comes in too, because now you have Spags and Joe Brady. Now they're playing the chess game and obviously Spags won that matchup there. So it all, it all matters, you know, everybody on that team, everybody in the organization, and that's why this team is, you know, on the cusp of getting history.
- [103:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Imagine if P. Ryan drops that.
- [103:14]
Darius Butler
Oh, man.
- [103:15]
Pat McAfee
Why the hell did you pick to throw the ball to Samaji P. Ryan? Whenever you have everybody else on your team, all the weapons, but instead he catches it and gets a first down, the game's over. Just like whenever Bucker was hurt earlier in the year, they bring in kickers that have been cut from other places in misgay. They make game winners for, for him, it's like whenever you put the Chiefs jersey on, for whatever reason, you play your best football and shout out to Bucker. He had to make a big time kick in the fourth quarter. He did. Remember when he came back from injury, he was a little bit off. Now they're in the playoffs, he's able to make every single kick. Drives that one straight through. A little breezy, a little cold, who cares? He's going to make that kick. Kickers have missed that kick this year. That is something that is very easily missable or even blocked because he hit a little bit lower, but he's a chief. So what happened? Turns, ball goes through the uprights. It's unbelievable what happens for that Chiefs.
- [104:01]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. I mean, it's. Everything always pans out. Everything always works out for them, you know, and that's just how it is. And that's the world we live in. And we're just gonna have to keep dealing with it until we don't. Which doesn't seem like it's anytime soon.
- [104:12]
Pat McAfee
No, no, no. He's 29 years old. They're saying he doesn't want to play.
- [104:16]
Darius Butler
Oh, nice.
- [104:16]
Connor
That's. That's what I was gonna say. It's like, if you hate him now, like, how much you think you're gonna hate him six years from now when he's 35 and he's got. Had seven or ten Super Bowls? Yeah. Like, he. Guess what, he's not gonna retire tomorrow. He might play until he's 45.
- [104:29]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And forget about, you know, all the other stuff on the field. What Patrick Palms can do, how he leads, how they draw plays, how he can make every single play. He also hasn't bitched at all about his contract, you know, ever. He's watching guys that have accomplished 1/1,000th of what he is accomplished get paid 15, 20 million more a year than him, and he hasn't said a single thing. They'll take care of me, he says. They'll take care of me. It'll get worked out. It's like, this is the perfect franchise guy. It's literally the perfect franchise quarterback. And it certainly worked out perfectly thus far. Can they get another super bowl over a very, very, very good Eagles team? We shall see. Let's talk about some other news around the NFL. Kelvin Shepard, officially defensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions. That was announced over the weekend. Weekend. He was one of the teammates of mine in Darius Butler. He was traded from Buffalo to Indianapolis. I believe Buffalo got Jerry Hughes in return, so they were obviously pumped with how that worked out. So were we. He was loved in our locker room. Great leader in our locker room. We saw him on Hard Knocks when he was coaching with mcdc. I love everything about this hire. I think he's going to do a great job, and I'm thankful that mcdc has given him the opportunity.
- [105:37]
AJ Hawk
He was a great teammate, great communicator. You know, we. We always have those teammates where we're like, okay, that guy. Be a coach if he wants to in the future. He was that guy. And then seeing him, you know, on the sideline we got a chance to. I got a chance to catch up with him. We went to Colts training camp practice a few years, a couple years ago when Lions were in town. And then watching him on Hard Knocks was awesome too when he had the interaction with Rodrigo and the rest of the linebackers in that meeting room. So we have that tape actually, let's run that.
- [106:04]
Pat McAfee
Watch Rodriguez. Watch Rodriguez. Sick of saying this by the rookie. What do y'all want me to do? Put him out there first, cuz that's what's about to happen. And this ain't nothing against you, Rodriguez. Matter of fact, you playing your ass off, dude. But it's a rookie who I'm doing everything I can not to put out here first. I'm sick of saying it. He's in the same drills y'all in step two, pull the lineman off. Soon as he come off, rock back the ball, gonna be there. Keep playing your ass off, dude. And he's gonna continue to climb the depth chart until somebody decides, I'm not gonna let this rookie take my job. He ain't a first round pick, he ain't a second round pick, he ain't a third round pick, he ain't a fourth round pick. What round pick did you go? Group 6, Nev. He's the better guy. He's the better guy. Ain't nothing wrong with that. But it's the fact that he's doing it right. How about his glasses too? Just accountability in there. And he, you know, he played for a long time so he's like, I'm doing everything I can not to put this rookie in here, but he's outplaying all of you in this moment. Rod would obviously go on to make some big plays for the Detroit Lions the last couple years, but that was like his first time. Me, my first time seeing him coach and it's like I love what he's about and if you don't know him and then gets play alongs, I think anybody that played with him would say, want this guy in your building? I think he's going to do great and I think he's going to be aggressive just like Aaron Glenn was. I think he's very lucky and thankful that he got to coach under Aaron Glenn. And in Aaron Glenn's system, former player that becomes a defensive coach, but he's going to be aggressive and I think he's got all the keys up there to run that ship back in Detroit.
- [107:53]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I think so. I think I'm glad he stayed there and you know they have a culture there that he's building. Hopefully we see him one day be a head coach. But yeah, just that right there, it's a little glimpse inside the meet room and just being real. A lot of coaching is communicating and teaching and a lot of former players. The Bears are doing it now with their staff. The Lions have obviously done it with mcdc. But being able to communicate with those guys, get that message across because you know, if a guy come in as a six round pick as a rookie, he's not expected to play. AJ gets drafted, top five, he's expected to come in and take somebody's job immediately. But that guy, he's not expected to play. So he's just communicating that in that, in that meeting room. So that was awesome to see.
- [108:30]
Pat McAfee
AJ how do you feel about former players getting more opportunities here? I love it. Now, granted, Kelvin hasn't just. He's earned this. He didn't just get dropped into this. He's earned this through, you know, linebacker, coach, and I think he was a GA and some other places. So, like, he has earned his way through this thing. What was that sound there? You hear that? You didn't hear that?
- [108:49]
Darius Butler
Was that the. Was that a commercial song for a second?
- [108:51]
Pat McAfee
No, it was like an email sound. Like an email. Little bloop in my right ear there. Interesting. Hope nothing's breaking in my head. Hope that wasn't you guys.
- [109:00]
Darius Butler
I heard something for a split second, but I, I thought it was more so the same.
- [109:03]
Pat McAfee
I only heard it in one ear, so it was probably our intercom thing. Okay. Yep. I heard in my right ear, which is back room. Great. Happy. All losing my mind there, but Calvin shepherd, former player, get another opportunity. He's going to be the DC for the Detroit Lions. I think that's beautiful for them. And also he's been in the system, so not a big change up there. AJ, how big of a deal is that for the Lions?
- [109:22]
Tone
I think it's huge to keep the continuity. And I think Shepard, it's awesome watching that clip with Rodriguez. Like a guy like that that comes in there and is, is, you know, laying the wood, as they say early on in camp, like that can elevate the rest of the room. If there's a couple guys in there that might be a little bit comfortable and think that they have a spot like a guy like that can come wake a room up. And I think it's cool to see Shepard kind of, you know, let everybody else know, like, hey, you're on notice, but everyone's job Is is up for. Up for grabs.
- [109:47]
Pat McAfee
Ben Johnson has hired his DC Dennis Allen, which was alleged immediately upon him getting hired in Chicago, which is why all of Detroit got pissed off at him. This guy loses in first game of playoffs and he's already put his staff together and he goes in the division. Okay, okay. That's really cute. Dennis Allen and he were together down in New Orleans. Dennis Allen, interim head coach, then head coach for the Saints. Great defensive mind. Everybody assumes that he's going to do a fantastic job in Chicago. Congrats to them. And then Declan. Declan Doyle, 28 year old, hired as the offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears. Obviously, we all assume Ben Johnson will be calling the plays and doing it all, but Declan Doyle gets an opportunity. How do you feel about these hirings here, AJ Is Richard Hightower also back as special teams coordinator?
- [110:37]
Tone
Yeah, I mean, Dennis Allen, I think he, he is very, very highly respected when it comes to players that have played for him, especially as a defensive coordinator. So I think this makes sense. And Declan Doyle, another hire that I don't know a whole lot about, but I'm excited for him. And I can pronounce the word, the name Declan too. So that is another thing I guess.
- [110:52]
Pat McAfee
I can cross off the woods. Him, Dick land. That's his words, not ours. We don't think that is true. How about Pete Carroll out there in Las Vegas? Obviously, a lot of decisions are going to have to get made. We learned on the Internet that Pete Carroll has three team rules. And I'll tell you fantastic stuff here. This was put out on the Internet. We learned Harbaugh's life rules from a card he gave the Schefter. Here's Pete's. Protect the team. Be mindful of your teammates on and off the field. If you see them on the verge of making a mistake or doing something that's going to get them in TR trouble, the onus is on you to step in and correct the situation. No whining, no complaining, no excuses. If it's raining, Carroll doesn't want to hear your gripes and then be early. That sounds simple, but it's a sign of respect. Your time is not more important than the greater group. Those are three easy rules, three good life rules. I think the Raiders are in good spot. That's why Pete Carroll was brought in there, to kind of change the culture. We'll continue on YouTube, ESPN, Disney and Ticket Tock Live. We'll see you tomorrow. You know, I, I did that came up quickly. A lot of.
- [111:53]
Darius Butler
A lot of work.
- [111:54]
Pat McAfee
Very Quickly there. Did not expect that. But Pete Carroll's three rules. I love it. Good life mottos too. Now it's hard to be early for everything, especially outside of the football world. I'll be honest, I was never late for a single football meeting ever. I was normally early because Rich Rodriguez had the whole, you know, like 10 minute window where he could walk in like he was stone cold Steve Austin with a glass break. And the meeting starts at 4, but actually it starts at like 3:50, so you need to be in there about 3:49. Because even though it starts at 4, he could walk in there 3:50, 3, 354, could walk in at 4. Whatever the case is, you need to be ready. So that kind of got drummed in there and then in the NFL, obviously they find you. I didn't want to lose any money, but also I'm the punter. Why am I showing up late to anything? I didn't in life it's gonna be hard to get me on time for some, you know, it's. I don't have as high of an urgency for some things. Standard also, you can utilize it as leverage too in certain situations. You know, that's neither here nor there. But yes, I love these life motto life lessons here from Pete Carroll. Easy to see why he's won basically everywhere. D, bud.
- [113:00]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I love number one, you know, protecting the team. You know, we always talk about being accountable and obviously, you know, making right decisions for yourself, but I like the definitely have had some situations where in college or maybe even young as a pro where you see one of your boys about to do something wrong or maybe you're about to do something wrong and somebody steps in, hey, you know, let's be smart here. Because when you are in that situation, when you do have that Raider logo on, when you're in that locker room, like something happens, wherever you're at, you're going to be the headline of whatever situation happens. So just got to be smart and take care of yourself, take care of the team.
- [113:31]
Pat McAfee
It's not easy, you know, it's a lot easier to just say nothing, you know, A lot easier to just say nothing. Especially in like friend groups, you know, as somebody who has been put in the position to maybe say the things that everybody wants to say, it's not fun. You know, I've lost obviously friends because I'm the one who says, hey, this is how everybody's feeling and I'm the fucking bad guy, I guess. But I'm not living in the town, so I Guess it's just easiest to put the onus on me or in a medium room. Hey, somebody needs to say this. Well, why don't you say you're a talker? It's like, okay, I'm the youngest guy here. Why would I do that? Well, that's why. Because they're gonna fire me because I'm old. It's like, you're a Hall of Famer. Yeah, but that's not. Somebody has to say, cool, I'll say it. I'm the fucking asshole. You feel like an asshole whenever you're the one delivering news, but also, you're. You're potentially helping the out of whoever is receiving the information. And although they won't say it in the moment or in the time, that message will help them going forward. I like that Pete Carroll says, hey, it is on you to be the friend that is the asshole to tell somebody to stop acting wrong. Because I think that puts an expectation on others, too, that if somebody comes up and says something, it's coming from a place of care as opposed to being a hater, as some people say. I think he's creating a good culture immediately. And I think those three things being laid out, as soon as you walk in, it's like, hey, here's the expectation. Expectations of this team. You either get in or you get the out. That's exactly what Harbaugh did in Los Angeles with the Chargers. His messages are all over the place, in the locker room, outside the cafeteria, obviously on those cards that he hands out to everybody. It's like, hey, here's the expectation. So whenever you hear coaches say, it's not. Nobody's gonna be on time all the time, it's like, all right, well, not now, I guess, because that's the expectation, is that they're not supposed. Supposed to be there. If the expectation is you're on time, you care about the team and don't embarrass the program, maybe there is a little bit heightened level of. To living up to that standard. And that's why I appreciate the Pete Carroll higher, even though his ass is old over there. Oldest head coach ever in the history of the NFL. Yeah.
- [115:33]
Darius Butler
It also makes a lot of sense that if Brady was spearheading it, which it sounds like he was like, if he were to hear this from Pete Carroll, I assume those are very similar to what Tom Brady's three rules would be. You know, those are kind of exactly what he was all about. And the be early thing, that. That does seem like a very simple a maybe Every NFL team should have a be early rule that might help everyone out.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Be early. I thought that was.
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Tone
I thought that was just be on time. Be on time. Be sitting there ready to go when. If it starts at 4, you need to be sitting and ready. You don't have to be there nine minutes early, but be there on time.
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Pat McAfee
Agreed. And it's like. I thought that was just.
- [116:08]
Darius Butler
Just standard.
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Ty Schmidt
Yep.
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Pat McAfee
Legit. Yes. People scared.
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Tone
I assumed. Right. Yeah.
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AJ Hawk
Like, I just.
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Tone
I don't know what you're. You indeed. But I'm sure I would assume you have similar feelings. Like, my biggest fear was walking into a meeting late ever.
- [116:21]
AJ Hawk
Like, oh, yeah.
- [116:22]
Pat McAfee
I don't know.
- [116:22]
Tone
My biggest. But that was always on my mind. Like, there's no way I'm gonna be late.
- [116:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Well, my position. Like. Yeah, let's not.
- [116:29]
AJ Hawk
Any position.
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Tone
Any spot.
- [116:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Number five overall pick, though, you could have a little different. Different mindset. He doesn't. Which is why.
- [116:36]
Tone
And you couldn't. You couldn't with any. Like, I never had any coaches that were cool with that ever in my life.
- [116:41]
Pat McAfee
Never. Like, that's the thing. Like McDaniel says, you can find these guys.
- [116:45]
AJ Hawk
And that was crazy.
- [116:48]
Pat McAfee
It's like, what. So when did this happen? When did it just not become a thing anymore that they. People don't give a. About being on time? And then now the Colts. And it's not just the Colts and Dolphins. We're hearing it from a lot of places. Yeah, right. Obviously those teams aren't playing, but we're hearing it from a lot of places. I'm not gonna say this generation. Cause it's not this generation's fault. It's the people that are allowing it to happen. I think at blame in this entire thing. It's like, how have we got. You're a professional athlete, brother. You get paid a lot of money. Literally one of your only jobs is to fucking show up. Show up. Literally. That's what you're getting paid for. You're not getting paid for Sunday. You're getting paid for all the other shit. And it's like, if you don't want to be a part of a team, then don't. Being like a respect thing.
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Tone
It's a respect.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah.
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Tone
Like if you respect your coach, like if you respect your special teams coach, you're not going to walk in a minute late for a special teams meeting. Especially you're not going to consistently do it over and over again.
- [117:40]
Darius Butler
Man, owner, teammates. Like all those people.
- [117:43]
Tone
If you respect teammates too.
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Pat McAfee
I would think the owner who gives a. It's like, yeah, most.
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Tone
A lot of times people don't like the owner.
- [117:50]
Pat McAfee
So, yeah, owner, front office, who cares? Yeah. It's about, like, teammates, coaches.
- [117:56]
Tone
Also, don't give them any extra reason to get rid of you. Like, why would you do that? Like, that just puts you, like, on the radar of like, hey, can I count on this dude?
- [118:03]
Pat McAfee
So that the fear of being cut, I. I don't think exists anymore because by a lot of people now, granted, I assume Bond was scared to death he was going to get cut whenever. He's a special teamer and he has carried that. And. And the great players are scared to death that they're going to lose their job at any moment.
- [118:17]
Darius Butler
Vinnie.
- [118:18]
Pat McAfee
Vinnie thought he was getting fired every day. Thought he missed a kick in practice. He was going to get fired. It's like, you don't live in reality. But I appreciate that. Like, I. I really do appreciate that there isn't enough fear because. And I don't want to be the old man screaming in the cloud, but, like, if something doesn't go your way, you hop in a transport portal and then you're potentially getting paid more somewhere else. And it's like you just got rewarded for being like, so what? There's no. It's like, you're lucky to have me as opposed to. I'm lucky as to be here. But the people that have that mindset end up being the greats. Never forget it in the end, you know. Let's get to a break on the other side. We'll wrap up all the story lines from the weekend. Great Saturday night main event. Did you watch that?
- [118:59]
Tone
I saw a good chunk of it. Yeah. It's great to see. Great to see Shawn Michaels back in action. Dude, that guy. That's my childhood right there, man.
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Pat McAfee
Sweet.
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Tone
Ch.
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Pat McAfee
How about him hitting? He hit his. Both of his knees before he did it. All right, let's see if we still got it here and then. Yeah.
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Tone
His stage presence is off the charts. Like, how. How he handles himself. Yeah. From growing up.
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Pat McAfee
I have great memories of him running NXT now, obviously. So everybody in NXT is watching him do his promo, deliver and switch and everything. So it's a little different world now. Oh, is that right, KO Huh? You want to break my neck? He's trying to put him into a pile driver. Sweating through. He's warm. Bang, right on the button. Sleep. Now, I did see some people comment about how, you know, superkicks have maybe been tossed into matches at a rapid rate these days. Sure. There's actually something called a superkick party. I think people are doing. There's a little difference between superkick and sweet chin music, brother.
- [119:57]
Ty Schmidt
Bingo.
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Pat McAfee
And when that thing's coming off that San Antonio boot in San Antonio. Antonio. It's a little different power coming in there from Shawn Michaels. What a moment. How about Rhea Ripley picking up niggas?
- [120:12]
Darius Butler
That's incredible.
- [120:13]
Pat McAfee
Multiple times.
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Adam Schefter
Yeah.
- [120:14]
Pat McAfee
Multiple times. Gunther. I don't know how you beat that guy.
- [120:17]
Connor
Oh, you don't?
- [120:18]
AJ Hawk
That guy. Winner.
- [120:19]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [120:19]
AJ Hawk
I'm tired of it.
- [120:20]
Pat McAfee
What do you mean? I'm tired of him winning.
- [120:22]
Ty Schmidt
Respect, greatness.
- [120:24]
Darius Butler
Awesome.
- [120:24]
Pat McAfee
Gunther is the Chiefs brother.
- [120:26]
AJ Hawk
I'm tired of it.
- [120:27]
Pat McAfee
You think you got him? You might have hit four different finishers on him.
- [120:31]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah?
- [120:32]
Pat McAfee
And then what? He still got it.
- [120:35]
Darius Butler
Sorry.
- [120:36]
Pat McAfee
Boom.
- [120:36]
AJ Hawk
Still bringing it.
- [120:38]
Connor
Boom, boom, boom.
- [120:40]
Pat McAfee
That's Gunther football.
- [120:42]
AJ Hawk
Tired of it.
- [120:43]
Pat McAfee
You're not the only one, brother. There's a lot of people sick of him being champion. And Gunther doesn't care.
- [120:48]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [120:48]
Pat McAfee
Gunther says, well, somebody beat me then. But with an accent of a guy who's from Austria. You see him walk, though, and it's like, holy. Talk about aura. Yeah, Real. Yeah, Jay. Now aura coming into.
- [121:03]
Ty Schmidt
Unbelievable.
- [121:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I didn't get to see Michael Cole. I didn't know he's eating behind me. I was going this way. I didn't see him. Was. Did you guys see him? Yeah.
- [121:12]
Darius Butler
He's eating all over your back.
- [121:13]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Was he on? I think he was on beat.
- [121:16]
Ty Schmidt
He thought he was.
- [121:17]
Tone
Yeah.
- [121:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he was. Ish. I think he was definitely.
- [121:20]
Tone
He killed it.
- [121:21]
Darius Butler
It's better. No doubt about that.
- [121:24]
Pat McAfee
Not premature eating.
- [121:26]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [121:27]
Ty Schmidt
No pre eation.
- [121:30]
Pat McAfee
All right, let's get to a break, wrap up all the story lines, and then I'm heading down to beautiful Atlanta, Georgia again.
- [121:36]
Ty Schmidt
Hell yeah.
- [121:37]
Tone
Nice bet.
- [121:40]
Pat McAfee
Monday night Netflix. Yeah. State Farm. State Farm Arena, I believe.
- [121:44]
AJ Hawk
Sweet.
- [121:45]
Pat McAfee
Tonight's gonna be a big one. Tonight's gonna be a big one. I can sense it. Massive matches announced yesterday by Adam Pearce. Walking his dog, announcing matches. Good for him. Nick Aldis kind of looked like a stooge there. Couldn't Jacob Fatu. Holy shit.
- [122:02]
AJ Hawk
Oh, my God.
- [122:03]
Pat McAfee
Hey. Post to post on NBC. Coast to coast. Far too. Hey. Hey. He's a problem. He's a problem. Who's going to stop him, Athlete?
- [122:15]
AJ Hawk
Nobody.
- [122:16]
Pat McAfee
Nobody.
- [122:19]
Darius Butler
There's one I can think of.
- [122:22]
Pat McAfee
I do have to acknowledge. You're talking about our tribe achievement. Oh, yeah. Age is even acknowledging. Oh, yeah. Between. You know, I'll tell you what, though. Fatu hit four moonsaults, springboard, moon salts on Braun Strowman, about 30 dump trucks on his head. So much blood, bronze bleeding all over the place. That FATU walking promo beforehand and then coming out Tamatonga with a. I got everybody on the. Got a lot of good popping off. What about Breaker Bron Breaker spear to Sheamus on the side? Yeah, I fucking. Holy shit. Cause I see brunt. So I'm watching Seamus. Seamus is like translucent. We talked about being transparent earlier. He's translucent coming this way. And I'm like, oh, is he setting up to do a brogue off of the stairs? So I'm like looking this way naturally. And then I just see a fucking pink thing come into my vision this way.
- [123:23]
Connor
And I'm like, missile.
- [123:24]
Pat McAfee
Boom. Looks jungle cat. He's literally like a fucking jungle cat. Oh, oh.
- [123:29]
Tone
Collapsed lung right there.
- [123:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So much that affect him later. He probably has a broken rib now, Jesse, the body shutting. He counted to three. Counted to three. The governor. The governor's unbelievable. I had a chance to talk to him before the show. What a guy. You know, he lived. He lived off. Off.
- [123:54]
Tone
Off the grid in the Baja, Mexico, right?
- [123:56]
Pat McAfee
No, like 15 years.
- [123:58]
AJ Hawk
What?
- [123:59]
Pat McAfee
15 years off the grid.
- [124:00]
Tone
But now he's back. I don't know. He's back though.
- [124:02]
AJ Hawk
Decade and a half.
- [124:03]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. He only comes back for Saturday night. Main event, legit. My. I don't know. I don't know what the schedule is. If that's the case, it's great to talk to him. I get a chance to catch up and I don't know how many people he's talking to on a day to day. I am very lucky I get to talk to him. He was talking about cars. He loves fast cars. Loves fast cars.
- [124:21]
Ty Schmidt
That's the body baby loves.
- [124:23]
Pat McAfee
Zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds. Guy's awesome. He's Tesla. He's got a Tesla. Used to have a Porsche. He's off the grid though, driving a Tesla.
- [124:35]
Ty Schmidt
It is tough. Tough to live off.
- [124:36]
Pat McAfee
I said to him, I said. I said, hey, are they tracking you through the Tesla or whatever? I don't care. What do you. He's awesome. Awesome man. Got to see a lot of people behind us. Anytime you go to one of those WWE events, you never know. Million Dollar man was there. Mark Henry was there. Great to see him. Oh, wow. Steve Levy was there with his kid. Saw that. Saw that kid's 12th birthday. I do believe so. Made the trip for the birthday. Great to see Steve. Add compliments to say about all the boys Steve Levy, ESPN guy who likes us. That's cool.
- [125:06]
Darius Butler
Hell, yeah.
- [125:07]
Pat McAfee
Like one of the pillars of espn, who is. I don't think he's ever openly hated. Hated on us. No, no, no.
- [125:11]
Darius Butler
It's like a blue moon.
- [125:13]
Pat McAfee
It hit more. Even more rare than a blue moon. Because I feel like we're seeing blue.
- [125:16]
Connor
Moons all the decent amount.
- [125:18]
Darius Butler
True. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
- [125:19]
Pat McAfee
Right? We saw like last year. Yeah, we saw a few of them. Super orange moon or whatever the hell it was. Yeah, that one. Yeah. Levy's never hated on us.
- [125:27]
Connor
No, he's a great guy. Love leaves.
- [125:29]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Very appreciative of leaving.
- [125:31]
Darius Butler
Own a great bar in Boston.
- [125:33]
Pat McAfee
Always good vibes, underage. His first person we saw when we walked in. Right, Gump. Literally first person we saw was Levy. I've been a lot of states lately. Right. You're not from this one. Made the trip for boy's birthday and I look down. What's up, bud? Little Levy moxie through the roof.
- [125:51]
Connor
Yeah.
- [125:51]
Pat McAfee
Dap up. Happy birthday. It was good to see him. San Antonio. What a place. 16,400, 106 people in there.
- [126:02]
Ty Schmidt
Cannot say enough about the driver, Hector. Unbelievable.
- [126:07]
Pat McAfee
That's a good call. Yeah. Hector's a Steelers fan. Die hard Steelers fan. He's driven me. Slash us before down in San Antonio. Best driver we've ever had. Ever, no questions asked. Including Johnny Violence. Not. Not including Ruby, though.
- [126:25]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, true.
- [126:26]
Darius Butler
Okay, okay.
- [126:26]
Pat McAfee
Not including Ruby.
- [126:27]
Darius Butler
Ruby falls in between.
- [126:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Ruby drifted a sprinter van.
- [126:31]
Tone
She killed it. Honestly, unbelievable not to panic in that situation by her. That was beautiful driving, Ruby.
- [126:37]
Pat McAfee
Absolute beast. Johnny Violence. He can't see the field well.
- [126:41]
Darius Butler
He's hit or miss.
- [126:43]
AJ Hawk
He almost took me out.
- [126:44]
Connor
He did. In la.
- [126:45]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah, yeah. But he'll also. Two lanes at a red light. Okay. Slowest route. No, not only that. Two lanes at a red light. Like five cars deep on the left lane, no cars in the right lane. He. He'll be the sixth car in this one. It's like, yo, do you see the hole right there?
- [127:03]
Darius Butler
Nothing worse.
- [127:03]
Pat McAfee
Do you see that? He goes, what? We're turning left. I'm like. In three blocks, we are. We could get in front of all.
- [127:11]
Connor
These people all slither behind a city bus.
- [127:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Park it.
- [127:15]
Connor
Yep.
- [127:16]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. But he gets us there. He does.
- [127:18]
AJ Hawk
He does, does.
- [127:19]
Pat McAfee
Close, close. Yeah. Johnny Violence work ethic makes up for everything else that he does. He's driving. Certainly something that I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, I do the check of the mirrors, too, as we're driving. I'm like, is there somebody. No, there isn't. So why don't we, you know, same vision as Trent Richardson.
- [127:42]
AJ Hawk
Similar track.
- [127:43]
Pat McAfee
Did not deserve that track through. I am looking for Saquon Vision, though, out of my drivers. Hector's got it. Hector's phenomenal. No questions asked either. We're not talking. We're in there, we're out of there driving. Well, it's hard for the WWE events cuz there's traffic. And then also you got to get to a back. He was hitting back roads too. We were three neighborhoods. I mean, just rolling through neighborhoods.
- [128:07]
Ty Schmidt
That's Hector football.
- [128:07]
Pat McAfee
It was Hector's the Beast. Hector, you. You do your job very well and I appreciate you a lot. A lot, a lot. Had some things to say about the Steelers.
- [128:16]
Ty Schmidt
I'm sure we're on the same page.
- [128:18]
Pat McAfee
You are. Actually, I think you two are saying the same exact message.
- [128:21]
Ty Schmidt
A lot of us are sympatico on that, on that situation, which is, what are we? What are we doing?
- [128:26]
Pat McAfee
That's kind of what he said. Yeah.
- [128:28]
Darius Butler
Isn't there a big change coming at 2:00?
- [128:30]
Ty Schmidt
I believe the ownership was speaking at 2:00, so I don't know.
- [128:34]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah, we got a heads up from Kabol that there's a rooney speaking at 2:00.
- [128:38]
Connor
Okay.
- [128:39]
Pat McAfee
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- [131:49]
AJ Hawk
Chip Kelly.
- [131:50]
Pat McAfee
Chip Kelly was there obviously. Will Howard also there celebrating what they accomplished. Ryan Daven cracked a joke. Will Howard was able to run a little bit but got tackled by the 20 yard line more than anybody in the history of the playoffs. A good line, good bar. I like that relationship between the two of them. Defense coordinator who had a pretty important role in this entire game. Jim Knowles not there. What? Yeah, what's that about? He was actually told not to Go. Allegedly. If you listen to some reports as he tried to figure out what he was going to do next season. Well, we have learned that he's going to be Penn State's defensive coordinator. And that announcement came on the same exact day as the celebration for the national championship of Big Ten rival Ohio State Buckeye. There was a thought that maybe he would go back to the state of Oklahoma where his family resides or his wife's family resides. Instead, he's going to Happy Valley to become Penn State's defensive coordinator at 3.1 million a year. AJ what the hell is going on? I heard Ohio State Buckeye fans pissed about this situation. They said, oh, he skipped the celebration. Then he goes to Penn State, to hell with this guy. Then a report comes out out. He was actually asked not to come to the celebration as he was trying to weigh his options for what the future was age. What are your thoughts on this all and how does it end up working out? Do people pay respects to this guy? Inevitably, eventually.
- [133:10]
Tone
I mean, I think time, time will tell, but yeah, I think right now people I think are pretty pissed. But this is where we are, right? This is where we are in sports. I mean, I guess Penn State wants to Throw, throw you 3.1 million a year at you. And I don't know know if how like I wonder how long he's been playing on leaving or if this kind of came about very quickly throughout the playoffs or right after the championship, like how that works out. But yeah, I did not expect this to happen. We were just talking. Tone said. We watched Jim Knowles stalk the the field pregame as he was just so cool and calm and collected, just walking around not talking to anybody. So definitely a bit surprising, I guess what he is from the state of Pennsylvania, so maybe that has something to do with it. But now he gets to come and he gets to come play Ohio State again. As the D coordinator of Penn State.
- [133:53]
Pat McAfee
The rumor was that he told Ohio State what it was and the offer was well below the 3.1 million. And once again, Penn State all in on sports. Penn State with this new nil and the ability to utilize their alumni and how wealthy and successful their alumni is, they have certainly done that. Pat Kraft, the athletic director, has shaken every hand. He has built every single thing and model that you could possibly have to have a successful sports program in the modern era. That it is them paying them 3.1 million is obviously awesome for Knowles, but it happening on the same day as the celebration is seemingly what really pissed everybody off is that Is that right? I. I guess, yeah.
- [134:33]
Tone
That he wasn't there and he didn't get. Yeah. And now coming out, like, why he wasn't there. I guess if they. They're saying that the school asked him not to come if he hadn't signed his deal, that's what's weird, I think. But I don't know. Guess maybe people just caught off guard. I don't know if there's any rumors of something like this happening before the championship game. I never heard anything of it. It was all new to me.
- [134:50]
Pat McAfee
We definitely talked about him potentially going to Oklahoma. You and I both. You were here.
- [134:54]
Tone
I guess the timing. Yeah, it is weird that it was like the. The night before and the day of the celebration. That's probably the timing, I think, is what took a lot of people. Kind of caught him off guard and.
- [135:03]
Pat McAfee
Him staying in the Big Ten, I guess, going to Penn State instead of going to, like, Oklahoma. Because I think the. The. The narrative was his wife's family is back in Oklahoma and obviously Ohio, Oklahoma, very far apart. So I think they were trying. In my eyes, they were trying to set the table almost for him to go back to, like, why would you leave if you weren't going to be a head coach, if you're just going to be a D coordinator? Why did you do that? They were trying to be like, well, you know, family and missing and everything like that. He wants to get back there. So for them, for it to be to Penn State and then in the same, even further from Oklahoma and for the money, it's like, I could see how Ohio State people. Ohio people would react the way that they would react. But once again, Penn State is not scared to make any offer to make anything happen for them to win a national championship. They see Michigan do it. They now see Ohio State do it. They've been out of the conversation. Pat Kraft said, we're getting back into the convo.
- [135:58]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I mean, two years ago, Michigan wins the national championship. They brought basically everyone back to do it. Then 18 guys get drafted. Ohio State, basically, they brought everyone back. They're going to have a ton of guys drafted. Now Penn State, majority of their team is coming back and they make this huge move for Jim Knowles. Ohio State made a huge move for Jim Knowles a few years ago when their defense wasn't good. He had Oklahoma State as a top 10 defense before he came to Ohio State. The last two years, he had the number one and number two defense at Ohio State. Penn State already has a ton of guys on that side Tom Allen left to go to down to Clemson. So like yeah, this is a, this is huge for those schools.
- [136:33]
Pat McAfee
I think the rumblings around Penn State were that Dan or was a pretty big part of that Penn State defense as well. Former player over there. Whenever Tom Allen got moved up to the booth, there was a thought that Dan Orr was potentially doing a little bit more hands on. I wonder what he'll be, if he'll still be with Knowles over there. But this is becoming a trend now. People are getting pissed at their coaches for leaving and going to other places. Dutch?
- [136:55]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I mean I love it. It's the business of sports but did you say Ohio State didn't match what Penn State was willing to give them?
- [137:01]
Pat McAfee
That's what the report was.
- [137:03]
Darius Butler
That wasn't close.
- [137:03]
Pat McAfee
We don't, we don't know. Well under surprising. Yeah because Ohio State has.
- [137:08]
Darius Butler
They would think, I mean maybe not like Penn State.
- [137:13]
Pat McAfee
Brett McMurphy, guy in college football knows a lot of sources been around a long time. Ohio State DC Jim Knowles was asked by school not to attend Buckeye's national title celebration while he deliberated his options. Source said Noah's representation tried to reach deal with OSU week before title game and immediately after. But eventual offer was well below the competition. Source said Noel signed a three year $9.3 million deal with Penn State on Sunday. Well below, sources say. Well who would the source be? Well, he references Knowles representation a couple different times times in there we can assume that insiders get information from agents. Not saying that's necessarily who it is, but yes. Well below was certainly what was said. I thought Ohio State can match anybody for anything.
- [137:57]
AJ Hawk
I would have thought so as well. So I mean can't blame Jim Knowles, you know, especially you know coaches at his age. You got to take that money. And Penn State, you talked about the talent over there. I would expect the Ohio State pipeline to be better. I feel like it's almost like a step back in a way way. But I mean you can't turn down 3 mil a year.
- [138:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [138:15]
Darius Butler
And in the end like of course it definitely is massive but like Ohio State still got Caleb Downs. Their corner just announced to. I. I forget how there it is that he's coming back. He wants to be a first round latan.
- [138:29]
Pat McAfee
No, he's going to the league.
- [138:30]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I think he has to.
- [138:32]
Tone
He's done.
- [138:33]
Pat McAfee
Jack's up.
- [138:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yep.
- [138:34]
Pat McAfee
JTT's up, Lathan's up.
- [138:37]
Tone
Cody Simon's up back.
- [138:39]
Pat McAfee
How about Ty Leak?
- [138:40]
Connor
He's gone.
- [138:42]
Darius Butler
Yeah, he's gone like Losing a lot of guys, but still got that.
- [138:47]
Pat McAfee
The. The who's D.C. who's going to be D.C. a.J. General.
- [138:50]
Tone
I don't know. That's a great question. I don't think. I don't know if Bobby goes from the street to. To defensive coordinator for the Bucks. But yeah, I don't know who are. Who is even rumored to be out there, who they even talking to.
- [139:02]
Pat McAfee
I'm not sure what the names are, but like they had to pay Chip pretty good money.
- [139:05]
Tone
Yeah, I'm sure they could pay any number. What do you mean? Like they could. I'm sure they could match if they wanted to.
- [139:11]
Pat McAfee
There's.
- [139:11]
Tone
I don't know what the reason is, but there's a reason they didn't step up and match. I guess with Penn State off the.
- [139:16]
Ty Schmidt
The rumbling and a lot of people were looking into the tea leaves because Ryan Day said like one of the greatest minds, young minds in football believe the safeties coach for Ohio State, Matt Guerreri or something like that. There's a lot of steam on the Ohio State State Twitter first about him. But yeah, who.
- [139:33]
Tone
I mean, who knows?
- [139:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, there's always. They'll get a good hire. No doubt Ryan Day will hire a great defense coordinator.
- [139:39]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, that defense was so good. Dominant, so good. We watched it the year prior with Jesse mentoring the defense that they had in Michigan and then watching this Ohio State defense, very similar in a lot of ways with how, how disciplined they were, how well they tackled. So yeah, you can't overlook how, how important that coaching hire is. You can have tackles, but until you bring the right coach and cultivate have everybody on the same page playing, you know, from 1 to 11, that's a big, big deal.
- [140:03]
Pat McAfee
I've tried to say this on game day a lot and I think, you know, because I'm a doofus, it doesn't get really appreciated much. Penn State's all in. Penn State is all the.
- [140:15]
Tone
We watched them implode the whole half of the stadium off. Like the day they got done playing.
- [140:19]
Pat McAfee
That 700 million they're putting into that, just able to find that like this 7. That's just for the stadium, let alone for all the players. There's alleged stories coming out of signing days happening and people saying if somebody comes back and says they need an extra 100,000, we got 150,000 extra if they need it. Whatever they need, we got. It's like Penn State's alumni, all in Penn State's athletic department, all in Penn State as a whole in sports, all in and I think this is another message like hey, we're fucking for real here. Like this is not a. We're not just trying. We are going to win a national championship here. Whether you basketball team I think is balling right now. I think if they were at least.
- [141:09]
Connor
Decent, I mean Big Ten, you never know, they might make the tournament. That'd be. That'd be huge for them.
- [141:13]
Pat McAfee
But they hadn't been in a long time. Like they're going all in and all these like. Like Penn State wants to be like dominate sports and their new ad. Pat Kraft, former linebacker at Indiana. You're talking like meathead. But one of those genius meatheads is like yeah, our sports are going to be good. And he's also an incredible rounder up of stuff. It's like this is a big move by Penn State. Stealing Jim Knowles from Ohio State. That is.
- [141:41]
Tone
Does James Franklin. How many years does James Franklin have left on his current deal? Like do they have to re up his.
- [141:46]
Pat McAfee
Him.
- [141:46]
Ty Schmidt
They just did this year.
- [141:47]
Darius Butler
Thought he two years ago or last year.
- [141:49]
AJ Hawk
Long's he been there?
- [141:51]
Tone
I mean more. Is this more pressure on him? Like he. Does he have to. Does he have to win a national title in the next couple years?
- [141:55]
Pat McAfee
Is this a Ryan Day hiring chip Kelly situation?
- [141:57]
Ty Schmidt
2031. He's there too as of right now.
- [142:00]
Pat McAfee
But once again that doesn't mean they don't give a. Over there. Nope, not now. They do. I think they like James Franklin. That is not me saying that. I'm just saying like if it doesn't work out, they're not scared to pay the buyout or what whatever it is. Like they. Money is not an op. A tough thing to find in the Penn State alumni streets for one reason or another. I have no. I did not know that either. I didn't. But I guess if every person I met from Penn State pretty well off.
- [142:25]
Connor
Yeah.
- [142:25]
Darius Butler
Massive school too. So many people go there.
- [142:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but they're all pretty.
- [142:29]
Darius Butler
That's what I mean. Like the. The amount of people who go on to do yeah Great things and cuz.
- [142:34]
Pat McAfee
If you got 100 people that give 100,000 bucks that's you're gonna get spot. We went to that bookstore when we were there. It was most absurd thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I mean they have the most CEOs in the country, right? That was their. We have the most CEOs in the country. Starbucks CEO made 96 million bucks.
- [142:51]
Connor
Yeah. Did you see that in like four months.
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Pat McAfee
I didn't know that that was off of stock option.
- [142:58]
Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
100 times. 100,000 is what, 10 million? So, like, they could just find that, I think anytime they need it. James Franklin's buyout is $56 million this year, which.
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Tone
Oh, geez.
- [143:11]
Pat McAfee
But if they wanted to do that, they could.
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Tone
They could do it.
- [143:13]
Pat McAfee
Like, that's how Penn State is operating is, like, money is not a problem here for anybody.
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Connor
I mean, he needs to win if they're gonna invest that much money into the program and everything like that. And you see all these other schools in the Big Ten winning national championships, and like, they're positioning themselves like, hey, we need to go in. Like, you can't. You know, he needs to win. Otherwise they, they will find someone else.
- [143:33]
Pat McAfee
I think he's thankful, though, that they're in a position where they're, you know, all in invested. Stay on the defensive coordinator front. Bob Sala, back with the NERS officially. Hopefully he'll find his joy again, right? He will.
- [143:47]
Darius Butler
Yeah, definitely will.
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Pat McAfee
Gumpy and I were talking about this on one of the flights. Salah was awesome when he was on the sideline of the Niners. Then he goes to the jets and has to deal with everything that the jets are. And he comes of loses his happiness, goes to the Packers. Looks like he probably enjoyed himself, had a good year. He goes back to the Niners, I assume first meeting, he's going to be like, boys, just like we used to do. Same old. We are going to get it. And congrats to Kyle Shanahan getting Salah back. Congrats to the Niners getting him back. Disappointing year for the Niners this year, AJ Very disappointing.
- [144:16]
Tone
I mean, super. Like a weirdly disappointing season that I did not see coming. That is for sure. Like, I know they dealt with plenty of injuries and everything, but just shows you, I guess, how tough it is to consistently win football games in the NFL. And Shanahan, I mean, bringing Salma back, you're right, though, like. And when you say, hopefully he can find his joy again, that's like a real I, I. It's a real thing. Like, when these guys, it felt like the weight of the world was on him when he's coaching the jets and everything that he has to deal with, like, yeah, just get back to coaching ball and doing what you love, and we'll see if he gets in the head coaching cycle eventually.
- [144:45]
Pat McAfee
Do you win because you're happy or you're happy because you win? You know, I, I think it's the first one more so than anything, but, boy, if you lose, it's hard to be happy.
- [144:53]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah. You know, they brought him to be their special team coordinator. Who, Brent Boyer?
- [144:58]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, they did.
- [144:59]
Pat McAfee
Wow. San Fran.
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AJ Hawk
San Fran.
- [145:01]
Pat McAfee
Holy shit.
- [145:02]
AJ Hawk
Our guy.
- [145:03]
Pat McAfee
This guy's a beast. He was at the jets and I think even the jets fans would say there was a lot that went wrong with our team. Our special teams was great. Blocking kicks, taking kicks to the house, throwbacks, you name it. Boyer's a dog. He played in the NFL 13 years as a teamer, I believe, back whenever it was CTE era. He's wedgebuster, this guy, as a teamer. Absolute beast. Stud. Great coach. Players love him because he was a player and he has that mentality, but he's obviously very good at his gig. So you got Shanahan, Salah and Boyer. That's a great. That is a great setup for the Niners to bounce back back. Christian McAffrey just going to be okay. Achilles tendonitis is just going to be.
- [145:46]
Tone
Can they keep the roster together too? Can they keep everybody or are they going to lose anybody big?
- [145:50]
Darius Butler
That's the convo with Pie now is like if they pay him normally that first year, right? Because you can front load it and you know, have so many signing bonuses. Like the first year might not be affected this upcoming year, but like it's the years after.
- [146:02]
Pat McAfee
Let's stay in the NFC West. The Seahawks have hired Clint Kubiak of the Kubiak Family Regiment to be the new offense coordinator. Jeremy Grubb, who was with the Washington huskies, was with McDonald in his first year with the Seahawks as offense coordinator. He ends up not being the guy that they want long term. He is not with the Alabama Crimson Tide yet with Kalyn DeBoer. That's great. We'll wait on that. We assume that's going to take place now. Clint Kubiak in for the Seattle Seahawks. Seahawks. What's Kubiak offense? That's Denver, right? Back in the day. Is that where it came from?
- [146:34]
AJ Hawk
From Denver?
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Connor
Houston.
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Tone
People love Gary.
- [146:37]
AJ Hawk
People love Gary and they, they started off so hot in New Orleans this, you know, this year with Derek Carr, you thought, oh, C Cub Carr, he's got car back playing at a MVP Pro bowl level and things just kind of fell off. But, you know, got to see him get a. A new start somewhere happy for him.
- [146:53]
Pat McAfee
And then let's go to basketball just like we said. Tyrese Halberd on Saturday in Paris beats Don Wemby in his home country. He went hella bonkers. He went hella bananas.
- [147:08]
Darius Butler
Yes, he did.
- [147:09]
Pat McAfee
In the Third quarter, did his thing and that was the best costume that he's worn to a game yet. It was. He had a black trench coat thing on with a little black underneath with a couple other little touchy, touchy. How you think? How you doing things here? I think that was his best game costume that he's had all year. Knew he was going to have a big one and he got the job done and I appreciate him for that.
- [147:31]
Darius Butler
Yeah, it was awesome. I saw a lot of people saying the Pacers are front runners for worst dressed team in the NBA.
- [147:36]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I saw a lot of the others walking in. I saw Miles Turner going shirtless with a sport coat that was kind of sideways on. They were in France and do big time fashion.
- [147:44]
Ty Schmidt
Fashion week too over there.
- [147:45]
Pat McAfee
Maybe every week's fashion week in there. This is his best costume yet by far. No questions.
- [147:51]
Darius Butler
That is cool.
- [147:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that. That was before the win. That wasn't before the loss. But I appreciate him representing America. Do you see the big pumas he was wearing too with the American flag on the back of it? Gold. I would buy those. I don't know where those are available, but I would buy those particular shoes. So shout to the Pacers getting a win for America over there in France because if they got boat raced twice in front of the French people. Buy a Frenchie. That'd be tough for the NBA. It's. The ratings were bad. Imagine them losing a French twice publicly like that. He did that for all of the NBA. He did that for all of usa. Shout out to Tyrese Halliburton going, how the bonkers.
- [148:27]
Ty Schmidt
You kind of tell he was going to go off too before the game. Someone from the spurs can't remember his name. And then Pascal Siakam for the Pacers. Both addressed the crowd in French and it was awesome. Like, I had no idea what they were saying, but it seemed awesome. And Hal Burton was loving it. He had a big grin on his face after you knew he was going to go on.
- [148:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think he even said, bonjour, Sava. Sava. Shite. Because what I'm going to do, think, I think is what Halliburton said and that's good. And obviously it's a massive week here in Indianapolis. The Royal Rumble is at Lucas Oil Stadium this Saturday. Friday night, Smackdown here in Indianapolis. And then we have a kickoff show before Smackdown on Friday. This is a great day to be here. It's a great week to be here.
- [149:04]
Darius Butler
Awesome.
- [149:04]
Pat McAfee
And we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be back tomorrow with a big one. Tomorrow's going to be a good show.
- [149:11]
Ty Schmidt
Huge.
- [149:11]
Pat McAfee
Everybody's dealing with a little cold right now, aj. I don't know if you heard it around the building here in thunder.
- [149:15]
Tone
I hear some. I hear some coughing, you know, off mic every once in a while.
- [149:18]
Pat McAfee
Sniffling, coughing. You know, it's that time of year. We don't have a Super bowl week. We're thinking it's all going to be out by super bowl week, which is good because last two super bowl weeks, I've had to battle through it.
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Tone
Yeah.
- [149:27]
Darius Butler
Last year was tough.
- [149:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So me getting it last week into the weekend was good for me, even though it sucked. Saturday night, main event. I had no voice at the end of that thing.
- [149:35]
Darius Butler
Battle through the power through.
- [149:37]
Pat McAfee
Dude. There's nothing like. Like being scared to talk because you have no idea if your voice is going to be there. Like, should I say something right now? I have no idea because this could be really bad. Have to drop into, you know, a couple different places of the octaves. You know, kind of. There's sneeze right there. All right, we're gonna get out of here. We'll be back tomorrow. We appreciate you all so much. We're gonna get healthy. We're gonna eat stronger.
- [150:00]
Darius Butler
Oh, yeah.
- [150:01]
Pat McAfee
We're gonna get better. Right? Because we know this is the greatest time of year. There's only one football game left.
- [150:06]
AJ Hawk
Damn it.
- [150:08]
Pat McAfee
Damn it. But it's the big.
- [150:10]
Tone
Well, not a good thing, but at least there's one big one.
- [150:13]
Pat McAfee
It's the big one. We have two weeks to chat about it. We have the pro bowl games obviously.
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Darius Butler
Happening Thursday and Sunday on espn.
- [150:20]
Pat McAfee
We have the Royal Rumble on Saturday. In this city, 60,000 plus are going to watch the most exciting event of the year, where nostalgia and today meet for a massive magical moment every single time. And then we're back tomorrow with a big old guest on the show.
- [150:36]
Ty Schmidt
Hell, yeah.
- [150:37]
Pat McAfee
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