PMS 2.0 1286 - Goofball Tuesday With Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 1286: Goofball Tuesday With Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Release Date: January 28, 2025

Hosts: Pat McAfee, AJ Hawk, the Toxic Table, and Tone Digs

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Introduction: Embracing Goober Tuesday

The episode kicks off with Pat McAfee welcoming listeners to "Goober Tuesday," a playful segment where the hosts embrace their lighter, more humorous side while diving into serious sports discussions. Pat teases the theme by highlighting the "goobers" in football, setting a relaxed yet insightful tone for the show.

Notable Moment:

• [00:00] Pat McAfee: "Football is wonderful. And I'll tell you what, a lot of goobers in football right now, and we'll talk about it all."

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NFL Coaching Carousel: Focus on Jacksonville Jaguars and Dallas Cowboys

A significant portion of the episode centers on the recent coaching changes in the NFL, specifically focusing on the Jacksonville Jaguars' new head coach, Liam Cohen, and the Dallas Cowboys' hiring of Tony Schottenheimer ("Shotty").

Jacksonville Jaguars and Liam Cohen:

• Dan Orlovsky provides a balanced perspective on Cohen, highlighting his offensive acumen and potential despite initial jitters about his press conference demeanor.
• Darius Butler expresses skepticism, pointing out Cohen's frequent job changes and questioning his authenticity as a head coach.
• AJ Hawk emphasizes the importance of Cohen being authentic and how that could earn him respect in the locker room.

Notable Quotes:

• [07:55] Dan Orlovsky: "I think his vision on how to marry pass and run were really impressive."
• [08:30] Darius Butler: "I’m going to take that stance. I'm just, I'm... I feel like I'm entitled to do that."

Dallas Cowboys and Tony Schottenheimer:

• Boston Connor discusses the Cowboys' focus on securing a quarterback, whether Russell Wilson or Justin Fields, as a strategic move to gain leverage in negotiations.
• Pat McAfee praises Schottenheimer's approach, noting his commitment to winning championships and his insider experience with NFL dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• [08:06] Dan Orlovsky: "We can just give the keys to the goober."
• [06:28] Evan Fox: "He didn't sound like a goober at all."

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The Role of Social Media in Coaching Image

The hosts delve into how social media management impacts the public perception of NFL coaches. They critique the superficial and often misguided efforts of social media teams to portray coaches authentically, using examples like Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson.

Key Points:

• Pat McAfee criticizes the disconnect between social media content and the actual persona of coaches, arguing that many social media teams lack a deep understanding of football culture.
• Darius Butler concurs, highlighting how inappropriate social media portrayals can undermine a coach’s credibility.

Notable Quotes:

• [14:05] Pat McAfee: "We gotta have people that know ball, that is operatin that particular account just knows ball."
• [81:45] Pat McAfee: "Social media teams can certainly affect how fan base and how national audiences feel about their team."

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Player Performances and Team Strategies

The discussion shifts to standout player performances and team strategies, particularly focusing on the AFC Championship game between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills.

AFC Championship Analysis:

• Dan Orlovsky breaks down the Chiefs' versatile offense, praising their ability to execute championship-caliber plays and maintain a disciplined approach.
• Pat McAfee laments Josh Allen's struggles against the Chiefs, emphasizing the persistent challenge of overcoming Patrick Mahomes’ elite playmaking.

Notable Quotes:

• [22:59] Dan Orlovsky: "Their whole screen game was good. And quarterbacks love that because we don’t have to think."
• [37:57] Dan Orlovsky: "Guys, you have to play perfect. You have to try to get them to Buffalo and play perfect."

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Draft Insights: Spotlight on Drake May and Will Howard

The episode features an in-depth analysis of the current NFL draft class, highlighting promising quarterbacks like Drake May and Will Howard.

Drake May:

• Celebrated for his impressive rookie year, Drake May is recognized as a Pro Bowler, with discussions on his potential to become a franchise quarterback.

Will Howard:

• Evan Fox and Pat McAfee debate Howard's draft stock, acknowledging his physical prowess and playmaking abilities while debating his long-term potential.

Notable Quotes:

• [121:35] AJ Hawk: "We should trade him maybe in the division to the Columbus Blue Jackets, who are kind of exceeding expectations so far this year."
• [123:55] Dan Orlovsky: "Shador's timing. And you can tell he's in... programmed in a good way."

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Super Bowl Viewership and Cultural Impact

Pat McAfee provides a nostalgic and humorous take on the Super Bowl's viewership, comparing its astronomical ratings to historic events like the moon landing. The hosts discuss factors contributing to high viewership numbers, including halftime performances and dramatic game finishes.

Key Points:

• Pat McAfee highlights the Super Bowl's status as a cultural phenomenon, with viewership numbers reaching unprecedented heights.
• Darius Butler and Ty Schmidt humorously debate the authenticity of historical events, blending in light-hearted conspiracy theories about the moon landing.

Notable Quotes:

• [84:39] AJ Hawk: "That is what Raj and the league is doing. That's why they protect the shield."
• [99:00] Boston Connor: "We only went to moon six times, by the way."

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Closing Remarks: Health and Humor

As the show wraps up, the hosts inject humor around their own health issues, endearing themselves to the audience with relatable anecdotes. They reiterate their commitment to delivering engaging and authentic sports commentary.

Notable Quotes:

• [122:32] AJ Hawk: "Yeah, it was zero degrees for two weeks."
• [126:03] Dan Orlovsky: "Taxact knows filing your taxes can be complicated."

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Pat McAfee Show, the hosts expertly balance humor and insightful sports analysis. From dissecting NFL coaching changes and player performances to critiquing the impact of social media on coaching images, Pat and his team offer a comprehensive look at the current sports landscape. The engaging conversations, peppered with notable quotes and lively debates, make this episode a valuable listen for both dedicated fans and newcomers alike.

Final Note:

• The episode concludes with light-hearted banter, emphasizing the camaraderie among the hosts and their dedication to providing entertaining and informative content.

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Highlighted Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [00:00]: "Football is wonderful. And I'll tell you what, a lot of goobers in football right now, and we'll talk about it all."
• Dan Orlovsky [07:55]: "I think his vision on how to marry pass and run were really impressive."
• Pat McAfee [14:05]: "We gotta have people that know ball, that is operating that particular account just knows ball."
• Dan Orlovsky [22:59]: "Their whole screen game was good. And quarterbacks love that because we don’t have to think."
• AJ Hawk [121:35]: "We should trade him maybe in the division to the Columbus Blue Jackets, who are kind of exceeding expectations so far this year."

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For more in-depth discussions and unique sports insights, tune in to future episodes of The Pat McAfee Show.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Goober Tuesday, January 20, 2025. This sports program starts now. Football is wonderful. And I'll tell you what, a lot of goobers in football right now, and we'll talk about it all. Obviously, we got some new coaches in new places. We got ownership speaking, we got press conferences. We got magic all around the NFL that we'll be chit chatting about. And the first word that comes to mind whenever you watch a lot of stuff is this guy goo. And the chance probably will be yes, that's probably going to be the answer. The toxic table is here. They're not goobers at all. @ BostonConner. @ Ty Schmidt, Con man, I see the ponytail. I like what you're doing. Way to go. It took a long time to get here.

[Ty Schmidt]

Funny enough. I sat down, I said, ty, son of a bitch, I forgot my hat. But you know, why not? It's a Goober Tuesday. I mean, we are goobers many times, but I feel like I'll just jump in on the goober train. Yeah, yeah, you could.

[AJ Hawk]

Kind of a bun.

[Ty Schmidt]

Kind of a bun. I like a warrior pony just yet. But we'll get there. We'll get there.

[Pat McAfee]

You did have a massive mullet flowing for a while. But what people haven't known is that while you've been wearing these hats every day, you've been growing out the sides because you no longer want to mullet. You just want a nice thick lion like flow on top of your head.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Now the full mane, you know, that's kind of what we're going here for. But I don't know, maybe I will go back to a mold. I do kind of miss it. And in the mornings, you know, when you have a mullet, your hair is not as messy. Now that I'm growing out the sides, boy, the hair's a. The hair's a little bit of a nightmare. Kind of dealing with the whole. But yeah, I mean, look at that side profile. Hold the phone. We might have something here, gentlemen.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you certainly do. You look great. I'm proud of you, too. A lot of different moments where you could have cut your hair, you could have quit on it. Instead, you stuck with it. Now you're at the moment trying to figure out what you do with it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

And this looks good. I can't wait to see you explore the space of having that long hair. I'm proud of you, buddy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hey, thanks, man. Proud of you, too. You battled through Atlanta yesterday.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Lana was A good time, Lane. It was a good time. All the stars were out there. It was cool meeting everybody saw titty boy.

[Darius Butler]

I know about that.

[Pat McAfee]

He knows we exist. That's pretty cool. I'm pretty excited about that. He had great sunglasses on, obviously. Fantastic Quavo. Incredibly cool. Go Dogs. He says, good dad. Little baby was there. Great dap with him. Michael Cole obviously ruins it immediately afterwards. Lil Yachty was there. I mean, all of Atlanta seemingly came out for Monday Night Raw last night. It was electrifying. Lucky to be there. Got a chance to talk. That's Xavier Woods. Mom, dad, and sister over there. And then Lil Yachty also. They've turned their backs on New Day. How could you not? Kofi Kingston. Xavier woods, real scum.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But maybe it was a chance to get him back to being good humans. But everybody seemingly doubted. And then Michael Cole embarrassed all white people for. Jeez, one more. That's the one. That's the one. Yeah. And the guy in the luchador mask in the back, he brought it all damn day. I appreciate that. See the Pat McAfee jersey over there, too, to the left side. That guy was incredibly kind. Soon as I get there, he's like, I got it. And I'm like, why, though, they charge you so much for that? I'm so incredibly grateful. What a night in Atlanta. Had a blast. And WWE on Netflix is hilarious. You have no idea what's going to happen out there. Legitimately, every single time I go to a WWE event, they don't tell me anything that's going to happen. Obviously, that is very apparent as you listen to me speak through the entire show, but you literally have no clue what's going to happen next. And that's why it is so magical. Cannot wait for the Royal Rumble this Saturday here in Indianapolis. Beautiful Lucas Oil Stadium. And then Friday, we have Smackdown here in India. Gainbridge field house. We have a kickoff show. Michael Cole and I will be hosting. I think Thursday and Friday. Potentially some wwe, WWE Legends coming through. Thunderdome. I mean, this is a magical time. The Pro bowl starts on Thursday night. I mean, although there's only one NFL game left, there's still a lot happening around the sports world. Let's go to one half of the Hammer. Cowboys AP Tone, Pittsburgh Steelers ownership is speaking. They basically said we're either taking one or the other. Russell Wilson or Justin Fields. Said it publicly. I think that's to kind of set the tone. Negotiation wise, leverage wise. Hey, you don't like this deal, we'll give it to Justin. You don't like this deal, we'll give it to Russell. How do you feel about what the Pittsburgh Steelers are saying going into next year, especially as we're watching the top of the AFC perform in the last weekend and upcoming weekend?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Mr. Rooney spoke yesterday to, I think 12 local Pittsburgh media pundits, Mark Kaboli being one of them. And he said that he stressed the. The number one and most important thing is fixing basically the quarterback room or getting the quarterback room correct, which I think everyone can agree with since Ben. Has. Ben Rothsberger left. It's been just a, A rotating pit of dismay, basically.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, and you know, you can't.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of goobers. No, no, not a goober.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dismay.

[Boston Connor]

Dismay.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

And I mean, look at, look at the playoffs. You need a quarterback and everyone realizes that you have to get a quarterback. Let's address it. Let's. Let's go start there and then let's move forward.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Speaking of quarterbacks that you guys have had, Kenny Pickett played in the NFC Championship. He has played in a championship game much more recently than anybody for the Dallas Cowboys or a lot of other teams that are in the NFL. Stephen Jones actually talked about the potential 30 year drought or whatever.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Obviously we're also evaluating where it didn't go.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You know, in terms of, you know, this drought that people say we're in.

[Pat McAfee]

In terms of a championship game or a Super Bowl. Let's go to nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler. People are saying things. Why are they saying that about the Dallas Cowboys? Yeah.

[Evan Fox]

I mean, hasn't every other NFC team been to the championship game since the last time the Cowboys have been. I don't know why he threw the air quotes up there, but they are killing Stephen on the Internet.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I love the fact that he said people are saying this as if it's not a matter of fact. We would always say, like people were saying to say something. You know, people were saying this. I don't want people saying we're in the middle of a drought. Like, we've been, all right, dad, we've been there. No, dumbass, it's been 30 fucking years.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay?

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody's coming after me. He said, people think that this is about me. Think I'm not willing to step out of my comfort zone. I just hired a guy. I'd never been a fucking coach before. You think I'm not, you know, I'm not scared to take a risk. Dallas Cowboys, obviously one of the storylines all the time in the NFL, but I appreciated the way Schottenheimer has handled himself, I appreciate the way he said, we're here to win championships. We're here to win. He didn't sound like a goober at all.

[Evan Fox]

Didn't sound like goober.

[Pat McAfee]

And I love Shawty. Yeah, legit. So it's been hard to kind of watch the entire world react the way it has for Shotty because I think a lot of Dallas Cowboys fans wanted them to make a splash hire, you know, and coach Deion Sanders would have certainly been a massively splash hire. He has connections to the Dallas Cowboys. He's obviously had success now as a Colorado coach. He's Deion Sanders. So anytime he's a part of something, you assume there's going to be a lot of glitz, a lot of glamour, lot of success. They don't hire that. They don't hire Jason Whitten. Although it is said allegedly from source says around the NFL that Jason Witten will be on the staff and that that was a part of the entire conversation for the Dallas Cowboys head coaching job. But hiring Shotty has been something that has pissed off all the Cowboys fans because it wasn't splashy enough. I think they wanted to win a headline. I think I hear Michael Irvin say, hey, it's been 30 years. 40 years is a generation, you know, and people's life expectancy is that if you live to 100, that's a long time. So 30% of people's long, long life, if they had lived to 100, has already gone without them having any success at all. They had to win back a generation. Did they do that with the hiring of Schottenheimer? I guess not. With that being said, though, if Shotty wins, that's all that matters. I think he's going to. He has so much life experience in the NFL world, dealing with stars, dealing with people like Jerry Jones, dealing with the NFL, dealing with rules, changes, evolving, everything like that. And I know he's only been an assistant coach, but he's the son of a great head coach. He's literally grown up in the buildings. I think he's going to do an okay job and I think what he did at the press conference was also good. But how can you tell how anybody's going to do.

[Evan Fox]

You can't. You can't. We can't. They got a quarterback. They obviously got other great players at premier positions. I hope he wins. You know, we don't know if he's going to win. We don't know if Aaron Glenn. We don't Know Liam Coleman. We don't really know what these guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, just stick with Shotty right now, please. Just stay with Shotty. We have an entire thing to go to. Jacksonville, you just stay with Shotty right now, please. Stay in the shoddy world right now, okay? Please stay in Shotty.

[Evan Fox]

We don't know what Shotty's going to do yet. And as the Dallas Cowboys head coach, you know, you didn't win the hiring cycle with the press conference and all that shit, but we. We don't know who or what he's going to be in that position, in that role.

[Pat McAfee]

I firmly agree that you have no idea what anybody's going to do. No, Nick Sirianni. Okay? He's hoping. Press conference. Wow. This guy's a big, dumb dipshit MCDC up there in Detroit. Wow. This meathead actually eats rocks. Oh, yeah. There's no way he's going to win. So, Cooper, Tuesday, let's go down to the Jacksonville Jaguars. What county are they in?

[Ty Schmidt]

Du ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right. So. Yes, one more time.

[Ty Schmidt]

Ask it again one more time. Du ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. You know Liam Cohen, obviously the new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are in the county of du Ball. This particular takeaway here is tough, okay? Whenever you see this, it's tough, and it's hard not to say this guy's got no chance of winning. This guy. There's no way anybody's gonna take him ser. There's no way any players are going to take him serious. But then I read an article. Liam Cohen talking to Rick Strad, who's a local beat reporter for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, grew up in Tampa Bay, has covered the Buccaneers for a long time. Liam Cohen talked to him, and obviously, the exit of Tampa Bay was what it was. It got a little nasty, got a little ugly. But he said he was talking to Baker Mayfield, who was in the Bahamas with the offensive line. I believe this is the next. If you go to the next one, please don't have it. Okay? So he was talking to Baker Mayfield in the offensive line whenever they're down in the Caribbean. And Baker. Baker Mayfield was basically like, you gotta go take that job. What are you talking about, Liam? You gotta go be a head coach. The offensive line were like, hey, you gotta go do that. Baker Mayfield loves Liam Cohen. The offensive linemen love Liam Cohen. Mike Evans allegedly loves Liam Cohen. Now, this is Liam Cohen telling Rick Stroud this, but I don't think he would say this publicly unless he was going to get publicly outed by the boys. But it Feels like his players enjoy the hell out of him, which is tough to understand, especially whenever we're watching him do all the things that he is doing in this rollout of this press conference. I think he looks like a goober a little bit. I think he looks like a goober. He's 39 years old. He's younger. He had some Louis Vuitton slippers on. Basically whenever he got there. He did the Duval thing. And then you look at his coaching history here. Here is all the stops he has had since 2010. Obviously it's every year there's a change. 2010, he's a brown, then he's at Rhode island, then he's a Brown, then he's in Massachuset, then he's at Maine, then he's with the Rams for two years, then he's at Kentucky, then he's back to the Rams, then he's back to Kentucky, then he's at Tampa for a year. Now he's the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. So Obviously as a 39 year old, you're young, you're going to get a head coaching opportunity. People are going to question your experience and your resume. What everybody's questioning about his particular resume is like, damn, does anybody want this guy to stick around or does he just move on? Is it his decision or is it the other place's decision? Because whenever he goes, Rams, Kentucky, Rams, Kentucky, then he's at Tampa for a year, then obviously they wanted him back. They gave him a contract to make him the highest paid coordinator of all time, they're saying, and then he goes to Jacksonville Jaguars. It's like, it's hard to not say, this guy looks like he's going to suck as a head coach, especially whenever you watch the way he's handling himself in these press conferences. But players at Tampa loved him. Louisiana liked him enough to bring him back twice. Sean McVay, obviously a guy who has had massive success as a young coach. I think from people that have been around Liam say he looks up to Sean McVay a lot. He tries to emulate Sean McVay a lot. So what I'm saying is let's reserve judgment on this guy until we see what his teams look like. But boy, it's hard. Anytime we see the video of him saying do ball, it's hard to take that guy seriously. No doubt, it is hard to take that guy seriously. But I think we need to just reserve our judgment just for a little bit to see what he's able to do down There.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, absolutely. And when you think about, like, the Kentucky Rams thing, like, a few years ago, Kentucky had that kind of crazy run where they actually were a top 25 team. I believe he was the OC during those years. And then with Tampa, even last year, like, Chris Godwin goes down, that offense could have easily kind of fell into a slump. Mike Evans also missed a few games with the hamstring. That's why he was pushing for the 1,000 yards at the end of the season. But they still kind of went on a little bit of a run. The Duvall thing is going to be real hard. It's going to be. It's going to be tough to come back from that. But you listed a bunch of guys where they do have this opening press conference, like, hey, look, I put my foot in my mouth. You know, maybe I was trying to kind of be funny. He has the whole selfie video. Three, two, one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, let's run that one. This one's even. This one, you. You, you. You tag this one with the Duvall one, and it's like, thank God I'm not in this building with this guy. But once again, Baker offensive lineman Mike Evans, the people that have had to play for him allegedly love him. Here's another video that hit the Internet from Liam Cohen's first day as a head coach as the Jacksonville Jaguars.

[Boston Connor]

Hey, guys, this is Liam Cohen.

[Pat McAfee]

Just touched down in Jacksonville.

[Boston Connor]

All right, let's get this thing started off right here. Three, two, one.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Boston Connor]

No, that's the social media team's fault, right?

[Evan Fox]

That was a little better.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, it looks like a goober there from the side angle. All the social media videos coming out of these coaches suck. Yeah. And once again, social media teams are. People with social media degrees normally don't know ball. They get hired to run social media because people. People who are running the business are scared of social media. So they hire somebody that's younger, that maybe has a social media degree, and they say, you handle it. There is a litany of social media teams that are absolute shite at their job. They know their ass, but they run up numbers, and the teams have no idea. It's not just in the NFL. This is in a lot of businesses. Now, you think about Ben Johnson's social media video crap. This one, not necessarily the best, but I would like us to, once again, because even as we're covering it right now, it's hard not to just jump into the fight and say, this guy's gonna suck. We have no idea if this guy's gonna suck or not. And that is the matter of fact about these head coaching cycles.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, I suppose. But I'm gonna go ahead and just say, this guy is gonna suck.

[Pat McAfee]

Why?

[Darius Butler]

I'm gonna take that stance. I'm just, I'm.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what?

[Darius Butler]

I feel like I'm entitled to do that. I am gonna do that. The difference is, like, with Sirianni, yeah, he looked like a moron. But everyone talks about Howie Roseman being like one of the best GMs in the NFL. Jeffrey Lurie is one of the best owners in the NFL. So, like, they had just won a Super bowl not too long. Like, Philly is a team that knows how to win. Dan Campbell, definitely an outlier because Detroit had sucked for a long time. But he's a former player and he got a bunch of former players on his staff, guys who bought in right away. Like, not only is this guy a big time goober, obviously, and that's fine. That's not a big deal. Like, they're Tuesday. There are people who are like that. But we talked about this a little bit before the show. Like, like, who's he going to get for his staff? Like, this is way late in the process. Like, all the, you know, great OC dc, like different position coaches, like, those jobs have been filled. Like, so it's kind of going to be on him. And then on top of that, you're going to get a guy who has five years of NFL coaching experience. And again, you know, who knows how much these guys do with Sean McVay because he is obviously a genius. Like, he's gotten a bunch of people jobs, but I don't know how much he's doing on the day to day. Like, that's Sean McVay's offense. Sean McVay is calling the plays. So we're going to go ahead and just, just give the key, give the keys to the goober.

[Pat McAfee]

Tampa was good.

[Darius Butler]

Let him hire gm. He was, he was good. But hey, you know what? This is a results oriented bit.

[Pat McAfee]

It's.

[Darius Butler]

What have you done for me lately? People, if, if they go 2 and 15 next year, how many people are going to be saying, like, yeah, but he got Baker Mayfield to throw 40 touchdowns last year. They're gonna bring up the Duvall video and they're gonna say, we should have known from day one this guy was a. And we should have, we should have, we should have torn up the contract right after he did this. There's a chance that's gonna happen.

[Pat McAfee]

No sound, no sound. Completely but you could hear it. You could hear it, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

In your head.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I do hear that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. You can hear Duvall.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, you can kind of hear good pop. You can hear the groans almost like, oh, my God, what have we done now?

[Pat McAfee]

Duvall song, I heard, potentially has a little different rhythm to it, banger than normal do. So I think he was just trying to get acquainted. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might have a differing opinion than you, Ty. And maybe you'll have the same thoughts as me, because just like Shotty, just like Ben Johnson, just like Aaron Glenn, just like anybody that gets hired as a head coach, you have no clue how this person's gonna do. They could be the next.

[Darius Butler]

He could be.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Marty, there's a chance. They really could. They could be the next guy fired after one year because they're an absolute dipshit. Joining us now, a man who wants to be one of those guys. Face of espn, Dan Orlofsky. Dan, we're talking about Goober Tuesday here. Goober. Liam Cohen, the way he kind of debuted as Shout out to you, being Brad Pitt, eating in every scene and being able to handle that while also being able to give good takes. We appreciate you in the middle of your lunch break here. Liam Cohen, do you know him? What are your thoughts on him? And Ty says this guy's gonna suck. Strictly from what happened on Social and what he did in the meetings. I don't agree with that. But I do believe there is a chance that all these things that are happening are gonna get held over his head until he wins out in Jacksonville, which is not a place that is easy to win at.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Dan Orlovsky, you know, tongue my beanbag, Ty.

[Darius Butler]

Geez, I don't know what you're talking about.

[Pat McAfee]

That was coach Tyree Owen.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I didn't say that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So I think I, I, I've known Liam for a while now. Liam. I think he's a New England kid in Massachusetts or Rhode island coming out of school.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Right around the same. Thank God. Right around the same time as each other coming out of high school, near each other, timing wise. And so we were kind of recruited around the same time frame, schools and whatnot. So I had heard of his name for a while, and then he went to UMass, I believe. I obviously went to UConn, so I'd known of him for a while then he had a pretty good career. He gets into coaching. I had a couple of Kentucky games when he was the offensive coordinator. I really liked them. I Liked the scheme that he had been around. I think his vision on how to marry, pass and run were really impressive. The way that he formationed and motioned, obviously his time with the Rams was impactful. Anybody that's been around, Sean, I'm a little bit intrigued by. I've stayed in contact with them throughout the years. When he got to Tampa Bay, I was super fired up for him. Haven't heard nothing but good things. So I do like him. The press conference is unique, the Duvall, but I do think he's a super smart dude. I don't know how much of a great leader and galvanizer. I don't know that about him.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, how about how he exited Tampa? You know, he said in the Rick Stroud article that he did that time heals all wounds. You know, he thinks that he and Jason and Todd Bowles and everybody at Tampa will be able to move on eventually. He said he just felt differently whenever he went and talked to Shad Khan. The second time after Trent Baalke has been removed and obviously he gets a chance to help pick the new GM. And I think in that article he said, Sean McVay didn't even get to do that. Kyle Shanahan got to do that. Sean McVay didn't get to do that. So he thought it was such an incredible opportunity. In this, he says that Baker said he needs to go do it. Offensive lineman said he needs to go do it. Mike Evans likes him. So it's like, like almost as if everybody that has worked for him or played for him in the last year likes him and is positive. Which is something to think about for sure if you're Ty Schmidt in this hole. But do you agree with the time healing all wounds and his exit from Tampa? How do you view that as a. As a head coach who would go on to say that honesty is the best policy in a local interview in Jacksonville just yesterday.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, so there's obviously a lot of stories attached to this one. I saw his wife made a comment on social media in regards to their child and whether sick or whatnot. All I know is this. If all these coaches get into this profession for two things, really, obviously to coach and impact and whatnot. And then have the opportunity to go be a head coach, do it your way and make a ton of money and eventually, when that opportunity comes for you. Bobby Slowik last year was getting head coaching interviews. Now he got fired from Houston. So when. When the opportun opportunity gets presented to you to have that chance, you more than likely Take it. The second part is whether Trevor Lawrence has been what he should have been, talent wise or not, he still has a super young and talented quarterback. A lot of coaches never get the opportunity to go be a head coach, let alone do it with a guy that still really young and still very talented now definitely has to get better and play better and rebuild his confidence. But a few, very few guys get the chance to do that. You know, at some point you got to go and take advantage of all the years that you've put in and you never know if that opportunity is going to present itself again. My wife, we were just downstairs this morning working out and she goes, you know, what do you think about Kellen? Do you think Kellen should go to New Orleans? And I looked at her like, are you out of your mind? And she's like, well, you know, such a good place in Philadelphia and they got such a good thing going. You only get. There's only so many times this door is going to get opened. So if it gets open for you, you got to go take advantage of it. But again, because the, the chance, but also the money, you know, there, there's a real part of that attached to this. So obviously there's a lot of stories and sides about the Tampa Bay situation. I'm sure it'll all clear itself out at some point. And I agree with Liam. I do think at some point time he'll time kind of like passes and they are allowed to sit down or able to sit down and talk it all out.

[Pat McAfee]

Before we move on to Kelly Moe and any of the other jobs, DBOT has a question for you.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, what can we. Obviously we just saw he had a ton of success. Liam Cohen had a ton of success with Baker Mayfield. Him having a career year got the run game back going in Tampa. What can we expect with Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence and this offense going forward in Jacksonville?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, so I think the overwhelming thing is, and probably not talked about enough, is how much Tampa Bay's offensive line was good this year. So that absolutely has to be a starting point for Jacksonville. They got to get their offensive line better outside of that. But number one, can he get Brian Thomas Jr. To be used like Mike Evans the way that would run their offense through? Mike Evans was such a big deal. Mike sometimes by himself. Hey, if Mike's one on one, we're throwing it to him. If not, we'll hurt you with a Chris Godwin and end up being McMillan opposite. So can Brian Thomas Jr. Who will be their second year receiver at LSU, who is absolutely sensational this year, can he. And I'm not telling everybody he's going to go for 11 straight thousand yard recessions, but he was really good this year. So he. Can he kind of be that guy for that Number two, you know, he comes from Tampa, where the run game you mentioned was really a big part because of Bucky Irving and. And White. You know, they've got Hank Bigsby and etn.

[Evan Fox]

Etn.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Etn. Can. Can he. Can those two backs kind of be used in the same way that he used those two backs in Tampa Bay? And then the third thing is, you know, their perimeter screen game was so good in so many different ways, but really like their whole screen game was good. And from a quarterback's perspective, like, we love screens. One, one, we don't have to think. Two, we're almost always guaranteed a completion. Three, if we get it at the right time, we're throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage and it's going for 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 yards. So quarterbacks love that and they were really good at that in Tampa Bay. Getting more of that for Trevor Lawrence just to rebuild his confidence, I think will be a big deal.

[Pat McAfee]

I think they did a joint practice, Tampa and Jacksonville. Cohen talked about this in one of the interviews he did down there yesterday. And he said, while I'm calling plays with our offense, all I hear is a bunch of oohs and ahs on the Jacksonville offense. I went back and watched the film and they got guys over there, he said.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Then he said, totally.

[Pat McAfee]

He said BTJ can line him up in a slot as well, which makes him very excited in this entire thing. He's also getting potentially 13 million a year. So, I mean, that's Ben Johnson.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Take the money when it's there, man.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Dan Orlovsky]

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[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to you Psycho Bunny.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Shout out to Psycho Bunny.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about New Orleans. Okay. You talked about Kelly Moe and your wife chit chatting about would he want to leave Philly to go do that? We thought Kelly Moe was potentially going to be a Dallas Cowboys head coach. Them still in the playoffs, I think is a factor in Jerry Jones, not wanting to wait around until the Eagles are done. Schottenheimer, who we were with in Indy, we're big fans of. Excited to see how he does down there in Dallas. Can anybody win in Dallas? You know, it's been 30 years. It's been quite a drought. They're giving tours around the practice facility that might need to stop before you win. Nonetheless, Kelly, mow to New Orleans, though. You think it's a real possibility and what are your thoughts on that New Orleans job as a whole? Because I think McCarthy is potentially going to get that gig as well. There's only been a couple names that have been associated with it. Kelly Mo now in person interview Mike McCarthy, seemingly the guy guy. How do you feel about that Saints job?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I think obviously Kellen's a viable candidate and so is Mike McCarthy. It's not a great job, if we're being honest. I mean, they're, they're kind of in the world where when they consistently kept kicking the can down the line with a lot of their contracts, they're in that back end of it where they're paying for doing that. And they've got, you know, two really good receivers on the perimeter. Obviously, Camara is a star. There's some good pieces on their offensive line. The quarterback's a massive question mark. I don't know if Derek Carr is going to be there or not. So you, you got to get a quarterback there if you're going to be Mike McCarthy or Kellen Mar. I think there's some decent pieces on their defensive side, but there's also a lot of older players, you know, and so they're, they're in that world where they're going to have to really quickly here transition. I think whoever gets that job probably goes through a little bit of a bumpy phase for the first year or two when it comes to just roster construction, how much money you have. But I'll tell you this. Like, I was, I was with Kellen for a couple of years. Kellen and I competed to be a backup in Detroit for a couple of years. He actually texted me last week or weeks ago when I, you know, was really critical of him on TV with some of his game plan, and he said, hey, thanks for the shout out. It's been a fun media week, lol. So his personality, I think, has grown a lot. Like when I was with him, he was a little bit, you know, reserved, super intelligent. Didn't necessarily, like, command a room like some guys do in a, in a head coaching role, but I do think it's, it's grown ever, you know, I look at the text and I say, okay, he's a little bit more comfortable in his skin for him to text me that and a little bit like a fu to me and in many ways. So I think if he's kind of grown in that, in that role, he's super smart and he's very much so smart enough. And I do like, I like the fact that he was in Dallas. I like the fact that he was in la. I like the fact that he was in Philly. Kind of experiencing a lot of different places, I think gives these coaches really good vantage points of what it looks like, what it doesn't look like. And so I'll be rooting for him. I think the world of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so I like that he's texting you. Let's stay in Philadelphia. Has anybody else texted you from there? We shall see.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No, Sirianni hasn't texted me back.

[Pat McAfee]

On that note, Ty is a question for you.

[Darius Butler]

Okay, that is interesting to know. Obviously we heard, you know, the press conference yesterday. It is what it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Darius Butler]

Unfortunately, you know, but, and Dan, we give you for it, but you obviously weren't the only guy saying stuff. People were killing Sirianni all season long. As you look at the Eagles right now though, has he kind of eased a lot of those questions or concerns that people had all season, you think with Philly going into the Super bowl bowl and how likely is it, do you think that the Eagles win the Super Bowl?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I definitely think you have to give him credit for, I think he's grown a lot throughout this season for this team. I, I, you know, first six weeks of the season, there was a lot of questionable decisions, I would say, or taking points off the board and not taking or not taking points in certain situations or maybe being overly aggressive, at least in my and other people's opinions. And so I think he's really managed the games well. I think he's gotten and, you know, a really clear message across to everybody on their team, but specifically Jalen hurts of, you know, there's a really big formula for them to not lose games. Their, their margin for error to not lose games is pretty big. They play really high end defense, both in the ability to take the ball away, but also, you know, one, they stop the run on defense. You know, they're, I'll go to the offense. They're playing offense clip. So if as long as they don't give the ball away, they're tough to have to force another team to go beat them. And so maybe that was a little bit lost in the Jalen hurts conversation, because there were weeks where there were struggles. There's no doubt about it. We can't sugarcoat that. He was really good last week, even in the midst of those struggles, where maybe the pass game wasn't as crisp as you wanted it to be, or guys weren't as open as I expected them to be, or he wasn't pulling the trigger, wasn't giving the ball away. Okay. And that is a big deal when you have an offense that pick your poison, you got to stop the run and stop the pass. If you don't give the ball away, you're going to get enough snaps. And then defensively, they stop the run with less people in the box, they don't give up explosive plays and they take the ball away. So there's a big margin for error of like, you have to go almost with the Chiefs philosophy wise, where you got to go be really clean to beat this football team.

[Pat McAfee]

Team.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And I do think his viewpoint of that and the way that he's got everybody on the team to buy into that, the way he's got killing more to buy into it, I. You have to give him credit for. And I think he's grown a lot throughout the season and that regard. It's one of the reasons why they're obviously in the Super Bowl. I give them a chance. Absolutely. You know, Patrick is Patrick, and you got to beat him when it matters the most. But there's. There's no doubt about it that they match up well.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so let's talk about this particular matchup. And obviously you and many others were taking shots at Sirianni. He's at his second super bowl in three years, second super bowl in four total seasons as a head coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. It's not just you.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I told you that we talk. I talked to him during the season. I told you that.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I hope what he said to you is, hey, Dan, tongue my beanbag. I hope that is what he said to you.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I can't believe that dude said that yesterday, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Coach Tyrioni obviously said it. No, but it wasn't just you. It was lower than third every. I mean.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Every single day. It was. Nick Sirianni is a big, dumb dip. Nick Sirianni is the biggest question mark in the NFL. Nick Sirianni should not be able to hold a clipboard. Nick Sirianni should be kicked out of Philadelphia. What other coach would be better In Philadelphia. Any of them. Like, that was every day for like a month and a half, two months.

[Darius Butler]

By the way, they're nine and one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they were winning. And that was when they were winning every. They were winning and winning and winning and winning, winning. So it just kind of like, fed an entire fan base of saying, this guy is a dipshit. This guy is a dipshit. So whenever he would do things that were, you know, out of pocket, like telling a crowd, hey, I got under control, okay? Yeah, we did run. Little bump. Or when he goes and talks his shit afterwards, it's like, well, you got an entire network seemingly, not us. Espn, though, basically saying, this guy's an idiot. And then you got him doing those things, things, but they're still winning. It's like, how did we. How did we get here almost? And a lot of people said, oh, it's because Dan Orlofsky wants his job. You know, that is. That is what we. You know, because his family go back to Philadelphia, loves it. Dan, Cool.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Trust me, that is not the case. Not the case.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, okay, okay. No. But that was a thing. You guys seemingly had it out for him for a long, long time.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Well, I think, like, I'll give you my perspective. My vantage point of it was obviously the. The way the season ended last year was, you know, not good. And then you heard a lot of the reports, and then there was the. At least reports of, you know, the disconnect between him and Jalen. And, you know, it's. By all accounts, it was getting said by multiple people that were pretty connected to the situation, I guess. And so you take that all in. And then at the beginning of season, they did not look dominant. Everyone knew this roster was one of the, if not the best in football. But then you go to, you know, the Saints game when they kind of sneak by a little bit on a late play. I think you go to the Jacksonville game when there was some question marks at that, the Cleveland game. And so you're watching a team that you knew was super talented, not control games the way that they have really, the back half of the season, not dominate the way that they have the back half of the season. And so that, you know, probably made an overreaction certainly from my end in regards to it. I. I've said probably one of the misses I've had this year was not valuing how important A.J. brown was to them, because A.J. was missing in some of those games, and the offense didn't look good. And you're like, why don't you guys look and play better and you're squeaking by. And so I think that is a little bit of part of it. It was like they had such high expectations because they were so talented and it wasn't happening the way that at least I wanted it to look early in the year. But he's absolutely galvanized it for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it, utilized it bunker mentality and it's the NFL. It's hard to win games. You know the other teams on scholarship too, that is the way it goes. Let's talk about a team that didn't look great all year. Cheetah, they didn't look great all year. They didn't have, you know, the most dominating victories. They still had the best record in football. Home fit advantage through the afc. Now they're back to a Super Bowl. Everything they said they were going to do they have done but they haven't looked the part all year. Even though they were getting dubs. Didn't hear you burying them. But they've won back to back Super Bowls so obviously their resume is a little bit different than what the Philadelphia Eagles is. How do you feel about this particular Chiefs team who are coming off their best offensive performance by far in the AFC championship against the Buffalo Bills?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I mean there is good of situation, big situation football team that I think we've had since the Patriots and the when the philosophy or at least like the culture of their football teams seems to be every play is a championship play and everybody knows that when their role is called upon you have to treat it like it's a championship role. You know, like juju Smith Schuster comes out and has a couple big plays and like wait Ju Juice Ballin and then Xavier Worthy comes out and they've using Xavier Worthy like Rasheed Rice and all of a sudden Xavier Worthy's balling in the AFC championship game. Justin Watson catches a two point conversion. You, you've got Kareem Hunt was on his couch four months ago. Now he's averaging four yards of carry in the AFC title game which is getting them tough yards. So many different people impacted the game and they, you might walk away and go like oh, they only had two or three plays but those two or three plays were huge. You George Carloftis a Wharton. You know it's, it's, it's wild to see how a football team has so many different people that they know. Like listen this is a, this play in first quarter with 9 minutes ago is a championship play. You because you don't. You guys Know, like you don't know what play is going to be the one that springs this type of scoring driver shuts down this scoring drive and you're going to end up by Justin Reed's two point stop on the quarterback sneak. Ridiculous. Chris Jones on the two point stop. The second attempt where Josh throws it, he dominates the guard. So every guy just seems to step up. I mean Shimaj P. Ryan on third and nine catches, the game ceiling AFC championship reception. What? So I just think it's, it's wildly impressive, but I think that they're really situated, I think that they understand, like if you watch the start of the game, one of the things that stood out was how many RPOs they ran on offense. And for me that told me, see they very clearly want to get off to a not bad start, just a clean start. They don't need to go take the lead 14. They just want to play clean, get the game to the fourth quarter. Because when you're calling RPOs as an offense versus a zone centric defense, we're just trying to get three or four yards, make sure we're getting a third and two, third and three at worst. And so it was a, it was a, a clarity of as long as we start cleaning this game, because that's not what they did up in Buffalo. As long as they start clean. They believed that the game would be a fourth quarter, late fourth quarter game. And they did that.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, that's kind of what the Bills Chiefs has been. Yeah, Josh Allen, I'm bummed out. I'm bummed out for that guy. He's got great hair right now too. But all these stats are coming out. He plays great.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's insane.

[Pat McAfee]

Nine touchdowns, no turnovers, four sacks against, you know, Kansas City Chiefs. He somehow finds Dalton Kinkade. Whenever they bring a corner block, he has to scramble. Hail Mary. You think? Nah. Josh had a guy he wanted to find. Dalton Kincaid, torn PCL in his knee. Maybe not as fast as he had wanted to be, to be able to get back to that ball, hits him in the hands, has to make the play, we get it, not able to do it, the Chiefs win. But it's like Josh Allen not being able to get over the Chiefs hump when not a lot of people have been able to get over the Chiefs hump is certainly going to be the thing that's going to what, just kind of weigh and sit over, over him for his entire career.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Can I touch on, can I touch on that? Fourth and five a little bit. Real Quickly, because I. I have obviously seen a lot of people make conversations and comments about it. I'm so tired of people. And I say this with all due respect, and I wasn't in it in this moment. I wasn't. I've never been in that moment, nor nearly as good. I'm so tired of people talking about, well, he could have done this. Okay. If you've never done it in that moment, you. You can't sit here and say, we.

[Pat McAfee]

Should have done easy ball D and he's wide open.

[Boston Connor]

Anybody could have made that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I've seen so many people being like, well, he could have done this or should have done this. Guys, first of all, you come out of the two minute, you're on the road, there's only so many cadences that you can utilize on the road before the ball is going to get snapped to being at home, it's a different conversation. You can dummy cadence four or five different times, and then there could be a trigger word that notifies everybody. We're live here on the road, it's a lot harder. Unless it's who you are. Like Peyton Manning and the Colts, you know, like, they could have done six or six. Like, see Josh's leg kick right there? You only have two or three versions of that before. Like, hey, the defense knows ball's gonna get snapped here pretty soon. So everyone's saying, well, he could have just redirected protection. 1. This was the only time they did it in this game. They showed this look a couple different times in this game. They didn't do it. I understand it's who Spags is, but you sitting there thinking, you know exactly what the defense is going to do and you're going to change the protection in one leg kick, I think is absolutely disingenuous to how hard it is to play that position. Okay, okay. You. At some point, the defense eats two and you tip your hat to the defense. Do I wish that they would have talked about it more on the sideline of the.

[Pat McAfee]

For sure.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Okay. But to sit here and say, well, he could have just redirected the protection and sent everybody and red hot off the defensive end on fourth and final season. So I wanted to kind of get that off my chest.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I don't know what. What the way to get past them is, you know, like, you got to play perfect. You got to try to get them to Buffalo and play perfect.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard some Bills fans say, get McDermott the hell out of here. Oh, yeah, a lot of that. Yeah. Send them back a lot of that grass isn't always.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That's outrageous.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, what's, what county is Jacksonville? Could you imagine getting rid of Sean McDermott and then all of a sudden you hire the new guy and he comes in here and he does this Duvall. Yeah. Okay. The grass isn't always greener, you know. And you need to talk to Liam about that.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Very white. Very white.

[Pat McAfee]

I would say the whitest. Yep, I would say that is the whitest. But hey, he's got a great history of calling plays. Well.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

So can't judge him off of that. But Bill's fans, I understand your struggles. I understand why you're mad. We've had GM for eight years, nine years here in Indianapolis. We haven't won and we still got him. And everybody's like, what are we doing? And with Josh Allen we should be winning and winning and winning. The choices aren't always what you think it is. Now Grant, granted, is an offensive minded coach with Josh Allen something that would make you happier potentially. But Sean McDermott, they went up there. This is like the third iteration of that roster. And they're winning and they're winning and they're winning. It's just Patrick, Moms and choose.

[Dan Orlovsky]

But I'll tell you this, like really I would tell you changing the head coaches, I think preposterous. And this is a, this is a defense that and they know this. They got to add a difference maker or two on their back end. Their back seven. They outside of Taran, Taran's really good. They're nickel, Razul Douglas, pretty darn good player. But they don't have a difference maker in the back end. Like Kansas City's got two of them, Justin Reed and Trent McDuffie. Outside of, you know, two or three other really good players, obviously Marlon Humphrey and Kyle Hamilton. Wiggins looks good. Like I think Buffalo, if you're going to ask how they figure it out, it's. They got to get a difference maker too on their back end. That's really going to help them. I think they need to add a perimeter piece. That's a, that's a game changer. I'm not telling, saying Buffalo's got to go get T. Higgins is like the number one wide receiver. But I do think adding a dynamic perimeter player enhances their offense even more. And I think that they again, I, I, I, they got to try to make Kansas City go there and then play their best game of the season.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the like did that last year, you know, and that's what the Bills fans say. We had them at home. We have them on the road. We have our time. We, we don't beat him. We beat him when it doesn't matter and then when it does matter, we can't beat him. It's like that might just be the story. And remember, that doesn't mean it's over. You know, Josh Allen's still young. There's going to come a time we assume that Josh Allen and these Bills break through. Oh yeah. But Patrick Mahomes is going to delay that as long as possible. Let's get away from the Super Bowl. Let's talk about some of these hirings. Let's go to the Detroit team that underwhelmed their fans this year for the first time ever. Go ahead, con man.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Dan, I wouldn't be goober Tuesday without talking to you, but John Morton going to Detroit to be the OCS coming from Denver. How do you feel about this hire and is this something that is going to be able to continue for Detroit with this hiring for their offense to remain explosive?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I don't know a ton about John Morton. I trust Dan Campbell. I don't know if I think he's been a part of Detroit in the past. I was never there with him. But losing Ben Johnson is significant. I mean, no mistake. Like he's, he's one of the best play callers, play designers in the league. So you know, I like the fact that Morton is with Sean Payton, obviously a brilliant offensive line mind. There's a lot of people that say Dan Campbell had a lot of impact on how things went offensively. Detroit sometimes play design, play call. So as long as Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes are there, I still trust and they've earned the benefit of the doubt. I also say this like the players are still there. This is still one of the best offensive lines in football. They still have a ton of really good pieces on the perimeter and Jared Goff is still there. So offensive line, I think that I don't want to say that they're not going to skip a beat because you have to see what kind of play caller this guy is and play designer. But you still have the pieces that are necessary for that. Defensively, you know, Aiden coming back is a big deal. I know Calvin shepherd steps in for Aaron Glenn. Historically it doesn't bode well for a team having to replace both coordinators. The silver lining is the players that are still the players are still there. They're, they're not going to lose much in free agency at least impactful guys. And the second part is the people that brought those players in, specifically Brad Holmes, his front office, and Dan Campbell, those guys are still there. So as quickly as they did this rebuild over the course of, you know, kind of took two years, and they've had two years of, you know, being at the top of the mountain, it seems like I. I don't think that there's this massive step back. We talked about it with Philadelphia last year, having replaced both coordinators. Things fall apart at the season, and here they are back in the Super Bowl. So it's not like it's impossible to not really skip a beat over a long period of time.

[Pat McAfee]

And you would assume they won't get the injury bug like they did this year. That. That's going to be. It can't get much worse than this year. I mean, every starter on defense, basically, Hutch, McNeil, Carlton, Davis, you name it.

[Ty Schmidt]

First play of the divisional round, Meek Robertson shattered.

[Pat McAfee]

So you would assume that the injury buck won't hit you guys the way it did this past year. Year. But you never know. It's football. Exactly. It's football. And I like the fact that Calvin Shepard stayed within the building. You know, they hire within the building. So you talk about same players. Probably same scheme, too. A lot of the same, yeah. Let's talk about Aaron Glenn, who goes over to New York. Here's him yesterday being asked, you know, about the quarterback of the New York jets in Aaron Rodgers. Aaron, what will your process be like?

[Ty Schmidt]

Will you go meet with Aaron?

[Evan Fox]

I know you guys text Aaron, and.

[Pat McAfee]

Me and Mo are going to sit.

[Ty Schmidt]

There and we're going to watch every.

[Pat McAfee]

Game tape there is, and then we're.

[AJ Hawk]

Going to look at the whole roster.

[Pat McAfee]

This thing is not about Aaron Rodgers, folks. This is about the roster.

[Evan Fox]

We plan on building the best roster that we can. So whatever that may be, guard, tackle.

[Pat McAfee]

Defensive tackle, that's what we're evaluating.

[Evan Fox]

And listen, everybody's on the microscope.

[Pat McAfee]

That's just what it is. So we're going to do the best.

[Evan Fox]

We can to make sure we build the best roster.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Then he would also say what he wants in a quarterback is just a winner. That's all I care about. And then he also said, I'm not going to give you my. Like, I don't. I don't have an answer for you. Okay. Everybody's being evaluated. What do you think about. Aaron Glenn is the head coach of the Jets. Former player there. Understand the situation. Woody Johnson said he looked in the mirror and said maybe I got to be a little bit better owner.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, that's a big deal.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I like that.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that as well. I think that's good news, especially with everything that's been said about that particular operation with how he kind of goes about doing whatever the hell he does with his kid and everything like that. Aaron Glenn might be the right guy to restore some, you know, New York jets toughness. And he even said in there, we're the New York jets were built for this shit. It feels like he's proud to be there. What do you think it is with Aaron Rodgers that he's looking for and what do you think he's looking for in his team as a whole, Dan?

[Dan Orlovsky]

His press conference felt like it was Rex Ryan all over again when Rex took them to multiple AFC Championships games. Just like the bravado, the machine see the edge, the swagger, the confidence, the unapologetic, the pride that you're talking about that is very unique when you're an ex player for an organization and team. So it felt like that Rex mentality of we're coming after you rather than we're just going to try and slowly do this the right way. And so I appreciated that out of Aaron Glenn. I've said this. I love the fact that he's been a part of rebuild because, you know, you get to have the day to day, you get to experience the day to day stuff of what does it sound like, like, what does it look like, how do the conversations go? What's the chain of command? How did the alignment work? You know, how was the disagreement handled, how was the conflict handled? How did they handle the draft and, and, and the preseason? And so the fact that he got to witness that firsthand, because that's a little bit of what needs to happen in New York, maybe not to the extreme that it was in Detroit. I love the fact of that in regards to Aaron Rodgers and really their quarterback position, I think the starting point is, is one. Having the conversation of having Aaron Rodgers back, I do believe is the starting point. Aaron Rodgers played winning football for the last 10 games of the season. Last 10 games of the season, I believe 18 touchdowns and four picks once he got healthy, that's winning football. Okay, I understand that there's stuff that comes with Aaron off the field and you know, locker room and all that. You got it. Well, he's, he's a guy that, he's a guy that has been around the league for a long time. He does want some familiarity with the people that are with him. And so that is something that those people within that organization have to have the conversation of. Are you going to come back if Devonte is not there, Alan Lazard's not there. You know, some of the people that are, you know, off the field, high end friendships of his, you know, like I don't know what his answer would be in that, but I do believe on the field he played winning football. I'd also say this, dude, even if Aaron comes back, if you, if there's a guy in the first round, do you like, I would highly encourage the jets to take him.

[Pat McAfee]

Agree.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You got to take them because dude, you're in a division with Josh and obviously Buffalo Juggernaut Tua and Mike McDaniel, you know they're going to play well as long as Tua stays healthy. And then the third thing is Drake May with Rabel. So you're not going to matter unless you get a quarterback. And even Eric Aaron comes back and plays another year or two at the max. You really have to find a quarterback early. All these people sit there and say draft a guy in the third or fourth round. Find a quarterback early that you believe has the talent to be a win because of guy and you draft him.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And I think Aaron has come out and said he's completely cool with that. Now Aaron has not decided whether or not he wants to play football again. Right. I think this last year has taken a lot out of him. Obviously the last couple years has taken a lot out of him. He said he's open to anything, attached to nothing. I think he loved playing ball at the end of the year though. Yeah, I think that's why you saw him do the way the things he was doing, running, throwing, everything like that. I have not chatted with him about his decision on whether or not he wants to play. I know that is something that the Aaron Glenn led New York jets have reached out to him and said, hey, do you want to play? And then let's kind of figure this whole thing out. But being a mentor, I don't think he is a, a stranger to that. If you watch Enygma and they break down the entire him and Jordan Love Matt LaFleur process about how, you know, obviously it wasn't what he expected. He didn't think that was going to happen. But he also didn't want Jordan to have the same experience he had with Brett. So he puts his pride to the side, puts his ego to the side. And any question Jordan had, he answered. Any room, any invite, any hangout, he Always had Jordan Love there. I think that would be something he would take a lot of pride in, especially with the New York jets organization and maybe get a chance to run at it again. I assumed that he would not be with the jets next year. I assumed that he would be kind of a free agent still playing ball because once again at the end of the year he looked so good. He looked like young Aaron again. Maybe his Achilles fully came back. He is fully confident with his body. But I assumed it wasn't going to be with the Jets. Now kind of listen to it. I'm like, maybe, maybe he is back with the Jets. Why not? If you're Aaron Glenn, have a veteran in there, get a young guy you could teach. And let's talk about the young guy now that you could potentially teach. Let's talk about this draft class. Have you done film study on this draft class? I know Shadore Campbell. You haven't yet. Okay, so Shadore and Cam Ward are the conversation. One generational, one legendary. Okay. They're working out together down there in Dallas. Cannot wait to see the content that comes out of that. Nobody's talking about Will Howard as a first rounder. Me personally, 6424 lot of moxie. Winner can move, can throw. I think he could potentially be a guy. Is any guy going to be a guy? We don't know. I think Will Howard could be a guy. I mean that's I guess on him to figure out that Dr. Pepper commercial scared a little bit. That Dr. Pepper commercial scared me a little bit on social. But what are your thoughts on this draft class? Have you looked into it and how do you think it kind of goes for them? Do you still think like most draft classes, quarterbacks one, two, because teams are so needy or how do you see it working out?

[Dan Orlovsky]

So the draft class I haven't dove into. I do not believe that you're going to get the high end talent that we saw of this past year's draft class. I think Cam Ward is physically really impressive but. But has a lot to his game like super, super good with touching the touch of the football and anticipating windows. His game in that regard reminds me a little bit of Tua, where sometimes he floats the ball over the middle field in between two or three guys. You're like, man, that looks like just like Tua. The difference is I feel that's a little bit unrealistic in the NFL. The butt would know this. There's not a ton of times your quarterback kind of floats a ball in between that Numbers and hash area over the course of four quarters, and it feels like it's 15ft off the ground. You're, like, watching it. But it happened a lot in college for him. So you do like that. I think Tua has grown to drive the ball a little bit more into some of those windows. But he. I do like that. A part of that part about his game. I got to study him. Shador. Shador's timing. And you can tell he's in. In ways like almost robotic. In a good way. Programmed. In a good way where the repetition of his feet and his throwing motion and his timing and the way that he keeps his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage. He doesn't have a lot of wasted movement. Shador is like a tactician in that regard. Shador is not physically a wow kid. You know, usually with that early draft pick, you're, You're. You're drafting off.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And so he's not that. But his. The style of play that he has is pretty darn impressive. I think I would claim that that is a little bit of a wow more than the physical traits. But then I think that middle class of quarterbacks is probably one that's even more intriguing this year. If you take Jaylen Milro from Alabama, and I know that there were downs, small hands.

[Pat McAfee]

They're saying he's got car hands.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I have no idea about that. All I know is he is a physical.

[Pat McAfee]

Like a carney phenom. Because you got hands in his little holes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, that's cheating. First year of an offense, carney hands. I don't know.

[Ty Schmidt]

Go see the man with the tiny head.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, exactly. That is also possible.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Donner's got little hands for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Right side shoe.

[Ty Schmidt]

We did actually measure these, like, I think a year ago or two years ago. They're bigger than Jalen Milrose.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I think our entire office got bigger mitts than Jalen Milroe. So that just came out today from the Senior Bowl. Eight, six, eight or something like that, which is nine inches, I guess, is normally the cutoff in this entire thing.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Interesting. But he's physically talented, dude. Like, he's, you know, physically talented. And also some of the stuff last year with the first year of the offense. But I think there's a lot that you have to be intrigued by with his physical talent. And then you think about Quinn Ewers. Won a ton of games in college football. He is really natural as a throw of the football. Mike, kind of. Again, I got to study these guys. I've always wanted the production to match the physical ability. It hasn't consistently, so I got to figure that out for him. I would say Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss is super interesting because Apple disagrees.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, no thumbs down.

[Dan Orlovsky]

How did that happen?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, it's because you're talking about guys that Apple doesn't agree with. Jackson Dart.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Quinn, yours are saying Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss.

[Pat McAfee]

Will Howard.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Colin McCord. Once again, Syracuse.

[Pat McAfee]

Once again. Will Howard. Knock it. Exactly. Exactly. That's what's happened. All right. We got a heart out here. Once you do all the film, we will appreciate to hear your thoughts. Will Howard. Yes, sir. 6420. 40 winner.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'll watch him. I'll study him. He was awesome in the tight title game.

[Pat McAfee]

All of the playoff games. Beloved by his teammates too, which I think is a massive ordeal.

[Dan Orlovsky]

4, 2, 40.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, he's massive. And he runs. He got tackled by the 20 yard line, but he can move just like you. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, are you going to the Pro bowl games again?

[Dan Orlovsky]

And go tonight.

[Pat McAfee]

Go.

[Evan Fox]

Don't embarrass.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Hey, D Butt. Dude, we're supposed to be boys.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, ladies.

[Evan Fox]

I said don't embarrass the guys again.

[Ty Schmidt]

All right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, I thought you were going to say my.

[Boston Connor]

Everybody's coming out.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Boston Connor]

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[Pat McAfee]

How you're going to make it happen. Shopify makes it simple to create your.

[Boston Connor]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Boston Connor]

All you need to do is drag and drop. Their powerful social media tools let you connect all your channels and create shoppable.

[Pat McAfee]

Posts and help you sell everywhere people scroll. Shopify makes it easy to manage your growing business.

[Boston Connor]

They help with the details like shipping.

[Pat McAfee]

Taxes and payments from one single dashboard. Dashboard allowing you to focus on the important stuff like growing your business.

[Boston Connor]

What happens if you don't act now?

[Pat McAfee]

Will you regret it?

[Boston Connor]

What if someone beats you to the idea?

[Pat McAfee]

Don't kick yourself when you hear this again in a year because you didn't do anything.

[Boston Connor]

Now with Shopify, your first sale is.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Darius Butler]

It's unbelievable. It's abs. I mean, it almost looks like a samurai, you know, like the samurai pony half pony we did talk about the other day. I would like to see a top knot. Yeah, I would like to see a top knot.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we'd like to see a top knot with a little bit of a flow down on the bottom.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And he hasn't been as open to our requests with his hair. I think he's kind of just new to the stage, but we're excited to see you get comfortable with the flow that you have right now.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, Pony Pony is so much different, you know, like the bun I feel like I've done before. An actual ponytail, I think is a much different story. But I could try it. The top bun I think will come in time. The hair on the sides isn't long enough just yet for like a prime top bun with the back flow.

[Pat McAfee]

One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys AP Tone. Whose hair underneath that cowboy hat?

[Darius Butler]

Holy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Also sick.

[Evan Fox]

Great.

[Pat McAfee]

Looking great right now. I thought it was going to debut actually on the show today.

[Boston Connor]

No, it's in a. It's in a.

[Pat McAfee]

It's.

[Boston Connor]

We're in a middle phase here of what we're trying to get to. I'll be honest, Connor though, it's kind of intimidating. I look at him like and I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to fight him right now. Like you put. You put your hair back like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Cuz you could wield a sword. You could wield. You dual wield guns for sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's not what my uncles say about the bun, I'll tell you that much.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It's complete opposite. Yeah, yeah. Bingo. I could hear that. Yeah. T. McAfee probably uttered some words through here this morning.

[Boston Connor]

Not my thoughts, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

But I appreciate the tone. Feels that way. Tone sweet fit today. Thank you. I do.

[Boston Connor]

Like I walked into Abercrombie the other day, picked this out. Not the Abron that I'm used to, but here we are.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Abercrombie and Fitch is now like a Goodwill store with antiques and a lot of retro stuff.

[Boston Connor]

Not priced the same, but. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean?

[Ty Schmidt]

Jack those things up?

[Pat McAfee]

It's always been expensive, brother. Is that a sun day red. Red type pricing operation?

[Boston Connor]

All those stores are. I ain't ever going back them all.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, it's inflation, brother. You know, all these prices are through the roof and hopefully we get that under control. We need to get that under control now. Right? Yesterday, immediately. I did that yesterday. You got the players on. Obviously. Golf fan. Last night was another episode. Okay. What were your thoughts on it?

[Boston Connor]

Tigers team came out. It was f. We finally got one where it was close. So it was actually kind of exciting. Tiger first ever delay of game on his in his only got the first ever delay a game. That was exciting. Dropped the hammer on Rory a couple times and then Tom Kim just absolutely stole the show.

[Pat McAfee]

I saw him make a par putt like a five foot par putt. It was a big deal.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes.

[Darius Butler]

Put hole haved it massive.

[Pat McAfee]

So I'm celebrating. So I'm doing one of these.

[Boston Connor]

Went to overtime.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that. Started 6:30. Yeah. Earlier tip off time.

[Boston Connor]

It feels like they've been expensive. Experiment with the start time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I was at like.

[Boston Connor]

Because There was a 10 o'clock one. There's 11. There was a 6:30. There was a 7:30. I like it. They're trying to figure it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Boston Connor]

Overtime was just chipping the ball onto the green. That's all it was.

[Pat McAfee]

Correct.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Closest to him.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. I mean, if you want to say it like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Close to the pin. Not bad. No, it was awesome. I mean, maybe we try and get in the hole, but. Who won? Jupiter. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Jupiter links.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes.

[Evan Fox]

First one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. It was a tough one.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations to Tiger. And Jupiter almost had a hole in.

[Darius Butler]

One last night as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? By who?

[Darius Butler]

Tom Kim?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Tom Kim is the star of the tgl.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Did they do more talky talkie from the golfers or less talky talky from the golfers? Less. They were being. They stopped being goofballs. They started being competitors.

[Darius Butler]

I agree.

[Boston Connor]

It was a competitive situation.

[Darius Butler]

Matt Berry did say he tweeted like. And I apologize for my voice.

[Pat McAfee]

It's just you were screaming at tgo.

[Darius Butler]

I was. And Monday night Raw pretty much everything on last night. But he said he went into both locker rooms pregame and he said something just felt different. The attitude was different. Both these guys seemed like, you know, they were. They were saying, you, I want to beat you. He said he got that. He got that.

[Pat McAfee]

Said that. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Well, he said it in his tweet. He didn't say it on the air, but he said it just felt last night like these, these guys wanted to compete, they wanted to win, and we haven't really had that yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I agree. There hasn't really been a good competitive battle. No, I think it's because a lot of the pitch has been we're going to showcase these golfers and how zany.

[Darius Butler]

They are for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

So guys aren't as locked in. They're trying to be like, you know, an entertaining part of the entire thing as opposed to being golfers, which is what we're there to look for. Matt Berry had to carry it a lot more last night, I assume.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

How'd he do?

[Boston Connor]

I mean, Matt Berry's solid. He's. He's out there. I would like to. We've said it. I would like it to be a two man booth so he doesn't have to carry so much water. But he, he's doing great.

[Pat McAfee]

Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. That arena looks sweet.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, the arena was great. Had some. Had Drake May was there. Big Poppy was there. Yeah, he dropped some of his classic lines. But yeah, like Foxy said, like, Everybody said like the competitiveness of it and hearing them kind of on the hot mics. You can hear him talking about how. How nervous they were too, you know, even compared to like, you know, big time golfing events. They were super nervous. When they got in there with the crowd in there, it was dope, man. We've been waiting for a close match. Finally got a close match. Match. Got it. Got it. Overtime. But it was. And obviously drooper pulled it out.

[Pat McAfee]

New sport happening right in front of our eyes. Hopefully it's able to maintain. We will obviously be pulling for it to be successful, you know, because we're only one football game away from the off season.

[Ty Schmidt]

Stop.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. One.

[Ty Schmidt]

No. We got the Pro bowl games on Thursday and Sunday.

[Pat McAfee]

You're right. Dan Orlovsky will do the quarterback carousel. That'll entertain us. But TGL being good would be great. So I'm happy they're kind of working through it to figure that whole thing. Thing out. We don't need the golfers being goofballs. We need them golfing. We'll let everybody else kind of do the entertainment part of it all. And us watching them do sweet will be good enough for all of us. The NBA is happening. Celtics still doing well.

[Ty Schmidt]

Celtics have not been doing well, but the NBA is crushing right now. Jimmy Butler, though, I mean, what the hell, man? This guy just doesn't want to play basketball anymore for Miami. He's out of town.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Just walked out of a walk through yesterday. Whenever he was told he's not going to start anymore. His third suspension in about two weeks. He suspended indefinitely. Trade deadline, February 6th. So that is fastly approaching for all teams. I got a chance to talk to the Atlanta Hawks owner last night a little bit about the ins and outs. Shout out to Steve Koonin. Absolute legend. Yeah, absolute legend. You go through what he did to get to where he is now. You're talking about an American dream story. Working his ass off from being a sales rep all the way up to now. A man who owns the Atlanta Hawks, amongst other things down in Atlanta. Good dude. Great dude. Great to catch up with him in Atlanta. And he was chit chatting about like the ripple effects of all these things. I just thought like luxury tax. You just pay it and then you just keep it moving. There's a lot of other things. If you're way over and you have to pay luxury tax about like to kind of prohibit or at least restrain you from being able to trade as much and make all these other moves and yada Yada, yada. Because I'm just like, hey, why doesn't everybody just, you know, hey, to hell with it. We'll just pay everybody, you know, like that is. What are we talking about? Like what Phoenix Suns are doing? They're gonna be like $750 million over the cap or whatever. Just Ishba says my fans don't want to hear that I have to pay a little luxury tax. I guess there's other rules also, whenever you're paying that luxury tax about things you can and can't do, it's very fascinating where the NBA is right now. Will they make changes to any of these rules? Will they go back to trying to create and find under dynasty? I don't know. But I do know that once football season is over, we will certainly be paying close attention to the Indiana Pacers, who are getting hot at the right time.

[Evan Fox]

Are they?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Right now people are about to start paying attention to basketball. Pacers are hot. Tyrese Halliburton's going bonkers. They're calling him Halibanas Hallibunkers because what he's doing on the court and his big puma shoes, they don't look like complete ass like they did at the beginning of the season. He's got some good shoes on his feet as well. Yeah, look, don't look now. Pacers are hot, pal.

[Boston Connor]

Okay, well, eight and two their last ten.

[Evan Fox]

I don't care about the Pacers. I care about what's going on in Miami.

[Boston Connor]

Well, they.

[Evan Fox]

Butler, Pat Riley better figure that Jimmy.

[Pat McAfee]

Needs to come up to Indiana.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, get him somewhere. Get him somewhere. Thank you for your service. Love what you did for the program. But look, nobody's bigger than the program.

[Ty Schmidt]

Because the Basers are like, hey, good vibes, Rick Carlisle. Respect. Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler doesn't bring that per se. When you, when you look at his.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he's not happy. Yeah, but if he comes in, he's happy. We're good.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the NHL? Pittsburgh Penguins are doing really well. I heard they're, they're, they're tanking.

[Boston Connor]

They're looking for a top five pick.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean we're tanking? We got Sidney Crosby.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Sharky.

[Boston Connor]

Sharky. Beat him last night.

[Pat McAfee]

The San Jose Sharks. Oh, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Excuse me.

[Boston Connor]

Two, one Shark.

[Pat McAfee]

That mascot I met a couple weeks back.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah, it's shite, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

Sydney Crosby's playing, scored last night and we're tanking.

[Boston Connor]

Two one Sharkies.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, so it's just a one man show. You guys are destroying one of the Greatest hockey players of all time.

[Pat McAfee]

Paul Bizette, who fought eight Irish gypsies. He is pushing hard for the Pittsburgh Penguins to trade Sidney Crosby to Colorado so he could play with best friend Nate McKinnon. I guess that'd be cool. Yeah. Well, that's what Biz is saying. And I'm like, I texted Biz. I'm like, what are we doing? What are you. Why are you doing this? He goes, wayne got traded. You know, he went through all this thing, he needs to go play.

[Boston Connor]

That's what they always say, Wayne, you know, guess who didn't get traded. Mario Lemieux. Guess who Sid learned from and lived with. Mario Lemieux. Guess who finished his career as an all time great with one franchise and then bought the franchise and brought them back to relevancy.

[Pat McAfee]

Mario Lemieux. Yeah. And Sidney Crosby is not going to be able to do that because the ownership group that owns the Pens is probably never going to sell them because they just look at the bottom line. They don't spend a single dollar to make their teams better.

[Boston Connor]

Well, they actually just announced that they are looking to sell at least a portion. They're looking for money. Minority investors.

[Pat McAfee]

How much? How much? How much?

[Boston Connor]

Don't know. They bought the team. What was that, two, three years ago for 900 mil?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Ish.

[Boston Connor]

So.

[Ty Schmidt]

So if they're selling a portion.

[Pat McAfee]

Wait a minute.

[Boston Connor]

You don't want to be a minority of fsg. That place sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

I agree. They have done nothing but shite for the Pittsburgh penguins.

[Boston Connor]

They've made £800 million off Liverpool alone this year. Won't spend a cent.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's this? Fenway Sports FSG bums killing their socks. Get them out of Sports Sports. Get him out of Pittsburgh for sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's LeBron.

[Pat McAfee]

He's part of that group, Right? Joining us now is not a part of that group, but certainly a part of some sort of ownership or something. Yeah. Number five overall pick in the NFL. The all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. Ladies and gentlemen, national champion for the Ohio State Buckeyes, A.J. hogg. Hawker. The Pens are tanking with Sidney Crosby on the ice. I don't like that one bit, pal. That's a shame.

[AJ Hawk]

We should trade him maybe in the division to the Columbus Blue Jackets, who are kind of exceeding expectations so far this year.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, the expectations of that team is to be dead last, so. What do you mean, exceeding expectations?

[AJ Hawk]

I think they're. I believe they're third in the Metropolitan Division at the moment, so yeah, they're doing okay.

[Boston Connor]

They're not, but they are one point out of a playoff spot.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Respect. That is exceeding expectations. Almost in the playoffs. That's a Detroit Red Wings territory. Almost in the playoffs. Hockey's awesome, as is the NBA. We don't know. We haven't paid attention enough. Sounds like TGL is getting awesome. But you know what is awesome, AJ Hawk. These coaches being hired especially for the Jacksonville Jaguars, which are in what county are the Jacksonville Jaguars in? Duvall. Okay, A.J. your thoughts on Liam Cohen, the new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, in his rollout yesterday.

[AJ Hawk]

So I've had some time to be with this clip, I think, because I've been watching the program. I watched you guys show this a little bit. I've seen all the hype. I. I guess I'm trying to take away, like, the positives from this thing. And what I see is a coach that is excited about his new job. That's the positive I found.

[Pat McAfee]

And he's very comfortable.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I don't know about that, but I think he's very excited. I think he's very excited. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You thought he was uncomfortable up there. Go ahead and run it. You put.

[AJ Hawk]

I was uncomfortable. I was a bit uncomfortable.

[Ty Schmidt]

Duo. It was eyebrows move, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he was comfy. He looks around for the pop, too, huh? I know where my boy's at. I know my dog.

[Boston Connor]

Do you think he saw the success of the Siriannis and the mcdcs because they had some goofball moments in their opening pressers?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, McDaniel down there in Miami had some goofball moments as well, and it's not going as great. I think Gumpy would say.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, we're on our last leg here.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So there has been some opening press conferences that have not looked like the others, you know, and there's been great success. And then there has been some red flags that have been like, we should have known. Whenever that happens, I'm not saying just McDaniel. We love McDaniel. We hope Miami turns it around. But that's one of the softest teams in football. And it's like, is McDaniel the guy that's going to end up getting them tough? I'm not 100% sure Liam Cohen is loved, though, if you listen to his words to Rick Stroud in the Tampa Bay Times by Baker, the offensive line line, Mike Evans, everybody that's played for him last year in Tampa enjoys him now. The exit from Tampa Bay didn't go as smoothly, I think, as a lot of people would have expected. He said time will heal all wounds. How easy is it to hire a staff at this stage of the coaching cycle legitimately? Maybe Slowik. Right. We keep bringing up Slowik's name strictly because Slowik was fired so late in the coaching cycle. He's still out there, he's still available. But what are your thoughts on how Liam is actually going to do as a head head coach? Or can we just not judge anything from yet?

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, I don't think we can judge anything. We don't. I think even Deba, you guys have talked about it like we don't know. We have. No. If they come out there in this presser and they absolutely kill it, they say all the right things, the team can go defeated and go oh and 17 the next year still and none of it really matters. So I don't think we can take a whole lot off of this. We know the dude, he can, he can draw guys open. He knows how to, he knows how to get players open. He knows how to run an offense. I like that part. But yeah, there's a lot more that goes into being a head coach and we're going to see now because we know Jacksonville, they've been trying to figure it out for a while now.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you think about that particular thing right there that was pulled right off his Wikipedia about here? He's been in a lot of places. He's done a lot of different jobs. He's only 39 years old. He's young, he'll continue to grow and he has some say in who the next GM is going to be. As Bulky was fired very late in the entire process as well. What does this tell you though? A lot of quick stops in a lot of places.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, you're always trying to move up and get promoted. Is that, is that what's going on? He definitely has moved around. Most coaches do move around, but he is especially going back and forth in the same spot a few times.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, I think that's good. He's welcomed back. Yeah, right.

[AJ Hawk]

That's a good point.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that's a good way to view it. He's been welcomed back to LA multiple times. He's been welcomed back to Kentucky. Not that Kentucky's ever really had that much success a couple different times, you know. So I, I think that is telling about the building and how they potentially feel about it.

[Boston Connor]

He did get Bill Levis to be drafted as a first round high quarterback soon, so that's something to look at there. And then they welcomed him back and it didn't go as well. But yeah, I mean, he's. That is a weird situation to go. Rams and Kentucky back and forth and back.

[Pat McAfee]

Same job title, too, going back and forth. There's people around him that say, you know, he pulls a lot from Sean McVay. He's attempting to. I think everybody is trying to be Sean McVay. I think Liam will continue to find who he is as a head head coach. I will say this, though, as just like a, you know, real talk. If he's like that every day, it's okay. But if he's doing a front here that is going to get sniffed out so quick and if you lose five, six games, that shit's going to get ugly loud, quickly. I mean, that is the real deal of the situation. Just as somebody who was bottom of the totem pole, but actually top of totem pole, if you actually understand what a totem pole is. Because I think the bottom of the totem pole is like the most important part because it's the base of the totem pole. But I'm talking about the metaphor in which meaning of no importance, but certainly being a part of the totem pole as a punter, watching coaches try to find their way, even if it's assistant coaches, whenever you try to be something you're not, it works at the beginning, you know, but inevitably the real you is going to shine through at a time. And once people think you're no longer you and you're a fake person, it's over. Especially at the head coaching job. You can talk about Urban Meyer down there in that same facility. You could talk about a lot of head coaches that have maybe said, this is how I'm going to be when I'm a head coach and you're putting on, like, costume. I'm a head coach, I'm a head coach. And then one day, you're not going to do that. You're going to forget to do that, you're going to get tired, you're going to get caught not being that person in an entire room, an entire building, an entire organization is going to go, this guy's. And once that happens, it's over. So if that's what Liam Cohen is every single day, I'm excited to watch him. I'm excited to watch his team buy in which Baker offensive line Mike Evans allegedly did last season seemingly in years past has happened. So if that's how he is every day, cool. If it's fake, that'll get sniffed out quick by the Locker room. And that'll end up being another Jacksonville Jaguar situation down there.

[AJ Hawk]

AJ yeah, he knows that he has to know the situation going in, so I would assume that is who he is. And that's what we say all the time. Whatever you are, if you're authentic, I think players will. They will respect it. They may think you're a terrible coach, but if you're authentic and that's really who you are and say, this dude might be corny, he might be whatever, they still can respect the fact that you're consistent day to day, and that's who you are. And you're not acting like somebody else or acting like you think a head. Head coach should be. Behaving like that's. That's what players see. And we know, like, pro athletes are very skeptical people off the bat, like they should be. I think it's a good. A good quality they have. So you got to, like, prove to that room that you can help them win games, and then they'll do anything for you.

[Pat McAfee]

Locker room has a good sense of Fugaz. Very good. It's phenomenal. And even if some people in the locker room don't, the other people in their position. Meeting room go, this guy's. And then it's like, yeah, he is, isn't he? And then you get through there. And you said that you assume Liam Cohen knows that he's not going to. Let's. There's been coaches that have been fake all the time. So let's not just assume that Liam Cohen understands that he might think he's being. I don't even want to get into it. It's tough to think that that's who that guy actually is. I agree. He's very tight goofball. He might be a goober.

[AJ Hawk]

You get excited, I guess. Dream job I get. That's what I'm trying to chalk it up to. Okay. He's juiced. This guy's pumped. Also, that was his. Is his office a fishbowl? When they walked into his office, it was full go. Like, there's no privacy anywhere there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I believe it's all glass windows. Let's assume there is some sort of.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like, thing you can change smoke.

[AJ Hawk]

He said. This is definitely different.

[Pat McAfee]

He said, yeah, And I think he said something about his dad, which is really cool to see. Like, that is a cool moment. That is a dream moment for him. I'm very happy for him. I just hope he is a goober all the time, because if he's not, it's not going to work like, especially now because all the players have seen all this, all the players have seen this, all this down there. And Trevor, All Trevor wants is a coach that's going to put him in a position to go win. All that team wants is a coach that's going to put him in a. In a position to win. But also what they need is somebody to be themselves. Don't try to be somebody that you're not. Don't try to be a movie character coach. Be yourself. Because you are who we are following. And if you don't even know who the hell you are, who the hell are we following, brother? And that's the biggest takeaway from a T building situation. So we don't know Liam. I don't know Liam. You don't know Liam. He's from Massachusetts.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's from Rhode Island. Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

Similar area, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

No, it is not Dan. They are two completely different groups of people. They are both in New England, though.

[Pat McAfee]

But that's all I have to like Shotty. I think Shotty's been around for so damn long. Shotty knows exactly who he is. Scheimer is going to be shot every single day. Big Mike McCarthy, always Big Mike McCarthy. Some of these coaches are getting their first time opportunity. They don't know who the hell they're going to be. And that's an immediate loss before you even get into the seat. I'm not saying that's Liam. I'm just saying he's going to have to be him all the time. And. And that is the big. I think that's the biggest trait that you have to have as an NFL head coach. And let's go back to Tampa Bay offensive coordinators getting head coaching jobs. Baker Mayfield might be the one way trip to getting a head coaching job. David Canales, obviously, always David Canales. Because whenever it goes terrible in Carolina at the beginning, that could have easily went two different ways that could have went. This guy sucks. Get him out of here. He benched Bryce Young, remember? Did all this shit. This guy's fake. This is it. Instead, the team stuck with him. Bryce stuck with him. And then at the end, they were kind of reaping the benefits of that entire thing. I think Canales knew exactly who he was and I think the team responded and appreciated that even through the turmoil of the crap. It's like when things are going good, everybody's good. But then whenever it goes bad, it's like that's when you find out who's who. If Liam's always like that, I think he's got a good chance. I think any head coach is going to have a good chance.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, I'm kind of with AJ I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. And even who he is now, like, he'll have to be a different version of that now being a head coach. You know what I mean? You're not just calling plays. You're not just connecting with the offensive players, with the quarterbacks, receivers o line. Now you got to set the standard. You got to set the message, the tone, the culture in that building day in and day out. So he's definitely going to have to be different, going to have to mature. But I would give him the benefit of the doubt early on. And with everything that we've seen now, even with Ben Johnson, I feel like we saw more of Ben Johnson than we've seen him as a coordinator. We see it now with Liam. So, yeah, the players, hey, you're goofball. But if you're a goofball that can draw plays, that can get the best out of Trevor Lawrence in this offense and that can have us run in the right direction, we're going to follow you.

[Darius Butler]

Well, you mentioned it, though, Pat. I think, like, the most, if they're going, because there's a good chance they lose early on, like, you know, I suppose they could, you know, win five games and, like, be in the first beaten first place in the AFC South. But, like, that's the biggest credit to Dan Campbell is like, they sucked for a long time at the start of his tenure, but he was the same guy and he never lost the locker room. You never heard anything coming out like, hey, this guy. Like, our worst fears are imagined. This guy is a big, dumb dipshit. Like, we're done playing for him, so we'll see. Like, I don't know how. I mean, you guys having been in the locker room, haven't been around coaches. Like, if you start 06 and things aren't going great, like, like, our guy's still going to be pulling in that direction. If this guy is just like a goofball weirdo, you know, like, it just.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, Ty has no hope in this guy. T Tai Tai has given zero benefit of the.

[Darius Butler]

And I didn't expect to do that coming in today. Kind of just came out and I was just like, you know what? Yeah, why not? Just that Duvall. That was one of the.

[AJ Hawk]

Is that how he started? Was that his first word into the mic?

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

That was the beginning of the end of the press conference. That was it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And then the selfie video that social media team put together. That's a whole nother animal. And we've talked about how shitty some social media teams are. We're not talking about Jags. We don't know the Jags social media team. And to be clear, the Jags social media team hasn't really had a chance to, you know, no winning teams, really. Social media teams have a chance to really showcase who they are, what they are. But some of these social videos have not done a lot of favors for a lot of these coaches either. Like Ben Johnson's worst video from his introduction was the social media video.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

By far the selfie video made him look like a goober. Made him look like a big.

[AJ Hawk]

They don't think that though. They obviously don't think that the social media team.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, that's because they have social media degrees and they know.

[Darius Butler]

They know great content.

[Pat McAfee]

I just, all I ask for these teams, I understand the people that run businesses who are a little older might be scared of social media. Like, well, I don't know. I. I will never be able to figure that out. Let me hire somebody. Just get somebody that knows ball. Just get just. One of the main questions should be, do you know ball at all? Got to know ball. You know, we are very lucky that we get a chance to meet some people who've done pretty prolific things in the social media world and they're asked to consult with like some NFL teams and stuff like that. And literally the questions they ask like, hey, what should a social media team let's say for the New York Jets? What do you think the New York jets social media team should be? The only thing you need is somebody that knows ball that is operating that particular account just knows ball. So they'll know not to put out a bad throw that could potentially bury the quarterback. They'll know not to put out a quote or something that they don't even know could inadvertently make somebody look bad. You just gotta have people that know ball, which doesn't happen in social media a lot because a lot of social media degrees are coming from people that have never been around sports. But they certainly get this fucking keys to a lambert of an NFL team. And then all of a sudden you get the let's ride shit from Russell Wilson and Denver Broncos that they are toting as a success. Look at the numbers we did in this entire thing, but instead you just lost all credibility for your quarterback. Your quarterback's getting killed and your team's getting killed, but the social media person is like, but look at these numbers.

[AJ Hawk]

Look at these impressions. Look at the impressions.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. So social media teams can certainly affect how fan base and how national audiences feel about their team. And I don't think the old asses that are running the team understand that enough. I don't think that is something that's fully comprehended. And Ben Johnson's worst video is the social media video. Liam Cohen's worst video was all of them. Okay, so that does not mean he's going to be a bad coach though. That does not mean Ben Johnson is going to be a bad coach. We must reserve judgment until we watch it. But let's never forget this. Now, speaking of never forgetting, how about that numbers for the Bills Chiefs game. Josh Allen taking on Patrick Mahomes most watched AFC championship game dating back to at least 1988. 57.7 million viewer average. Now obviously it was the second game of the two day slate or the two game slate on a championship Sunday. 57.7 million people watched an electrifying AFC championship game that ended with a fourth quarter kick late in the game to win it for the Kansas City Chiefs as they go to another Super Bowl. AJ what does this number tell you? It tells me that's a lot of. It also tells me that football is king. Always has been, always will be. A.J. hawk.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, that is what Raj and the league is doing. That's why they protect the shield, because you get these unbelievably astronomical numbers. What is an usual number for a Super bowl compared to this?

[Pat McAfee]

I think a Super bowl is like 120 or something like 115. The last year's super bowl was the most watched thing since the moon landing. That was definitely real.

[Darius Butler]

Without a doubt. And not every person in the United States watched the moon landing, so that'll probably never be eclipsed.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but that, that was definitely.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Clear live footage from the moon.

[Darius Butler]

That's exactly right.

[Pat McAfee]

In 1969.

[Darius Butler]

I know, I know. Crazy how we were able to do that technology wise then.

[Pat McAfee]

But in audio there wasn't even like a club.

[Darius Butler]

But again, our space program had the best and brightest. That's why we won the space race.

[Pat McAfee]

And then they did the slingshot to send them back home. Right around the moon.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Wanted a dark side of the moon slingshot of the way back, which is what's over there. 1969.

[Darius Butler]

I know. Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

We had Dan Orlovsky on live from his kitchen while he was eating. And I think there was a couple glitches of his sound in 2024. Five moon landing. This is one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. 8K. I know.

[Darius Butler]

Crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

That's unbelievable.

[Darius Butler]

I know. NASA's unbelievable.

[Boston Connor]

That's a football.

[Pat McAfee]

USA. USA. USA. USA. There's people saying they're gonna boycott this super bowl, though. Did you hear that?

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, I've been hearing that a lot. Seeing that a lot. Don't believe it at all.

[Pat McAfee]

How could you? I mean, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Do? Yeah. Okay. What are any of us going to do, Marks? What are we. We're going to not turn on the super bowl, okay?

[Boston Connor]

No, we will not be.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we will be watching the super bowl and I. I think it's kind of. You know, it got real loud there about the Chiefs and the Bills and then the Chiefs and the Ravens or. No, Chiefs and Texans.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. The week before in the division round, which feels like it's two years ago.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, I know, right? I understand. The Chiefs hate, though. You know, Mahomes, Kelsey Tyler, Taylor Swift. I get that. But why do people hate the Eagles?

[Boston Connor]

You ever been there?

[Ty Schmidt]

Philadelphia, Jalen hurts people. People. Yeah. The Toast Bush, they hate. And also Jalen hurts has some D1 haters, if you recall from the first time.

[Pat McAfee]

Self proclaimed D1 haters.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, you're so cool. You got the cool chain and you got the cool girlfriend and you got all this money. Like, fuck you. That's what people say about Jalen Hurts, typically when it comes to him.

[Pat McAfee]

We do live in a hater society, especially with the Internet, and there's very clever haters that we get a chance to see on the Internet. We're very thankful for them. Obviously, if we're not the targets, even when I'm a target, I read some of those and I go, damn, Pretty good. I don't know how you piece that together, but I like what you did there. But there's a lot of people that say, you know, the NFL, they don't want us to watch. The NFL thinks they can get away with anything. The NFL is forcing Taylor Swift into the super bowl yet again. They're forcing a three peat so they can talk about a dynasty. Just because they want to bury the Patriots, maybe. Like, there's always going to be these things that people think that they can bring up that make them want to hate the NFL. But at the end of the day, push comes to shove. Football is the greatest thing on television, which is why 57.7 million people watch a championship game. That is. That's an average. Who knows what the peak was probably 70 million legit. More stats. NFL. Second most watched non Super bowl game by the 2009 Viking Saints. That.

[Darius Butler]

That was the case. Keenum. Yeah, The Minnesota Miracle.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Minneapolis Miracle. Broke the Internet. Stefan Dig snags that thing. Bad pursuit angle there.

[Evan Fox]

Terrible.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I still don't know how. Up 4% from last year's Ravens Chiefs game. That was in the early window. So literally everything for the NFL still up and to the right. Even, like, college ball had a little bit of a downfall. Wasn't on. What's that called?

[Darius Butler]

Basic cable.

[Pat McAfee]

Basic cable. It was on espn. Next year it'll be on abc. Let's assume numbers will be bananas for the national championship. But it's like, I assume last year whenever the Ravens took on the Chiefs, the number was gigantic. Everybody's like, damn. For a championship game. Up 4% yet again. Now who knows what's real and what isn't real? I'm not talking about the moon landing.

[Darius Butler]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

It's a thousand percent real.

[Pat McAfee]

A thousand percent. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

If you could. If you go like a million percent, it'd be a million percent.

[Ty Schmidt]

A million.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Usa. Usa. Usa. That's amazing. We had all that and then we just threw it out and said, never again.

[Darius Butler]

Well, it's kind of one of those things where it's like, hey, we did it. Like, let's close this book and now let's.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What about just like, the streaming quality and in general, being able to stream that from the moon back to America? Why did we stop doing that?

[Darius Butler]

I think they just realized we weren't ready for it yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Humans as a whole, as a society, we just weren't.

[Darius Butler]

We just were not ready for. Yeah, I mean, look at that.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at that.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's hard to believe.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't. We, you know, said, I don't know if this is the real man.

[Darius Butler]

I don't think it is. I don't think it is.

[Pat McAfee]

This is.

[Ty Schmidt]

Looks like it.

[Pat McAfee]

This. I don't think this is real. I don't think this particular shot here is real. I don't think that's Buzz and Neil.

[Darius Butler]

No, it's not. It's not.

[Pat McAfee]

Who was the camera person for that? Was it Scorsese up there with him or Jim Lovell?

[Boston Connor]

I think, okay, one of the thought was Stanley Kubrick.

[Darius Butler]

Well, a lot of people say that, and those people are idiots.

[Pat McAfee]

What did Stanley Kubrick do?

[Darius Butler]

That's what everyone says. Stanley Kubrick was the one who, you know, filmed the Movie?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

There's a movie about soundstage in Hollywood.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're talking about the Red Hot Chili Pepper.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly. They're not the only ones. A lot of people say that.

[Darius Butler]

A lot of people do say.

[Pat McAfee]

Not us on this particular show.

[Darius Butler]

Of course not. Because we're realists. We live in the real world. Okay, Where. Where we landed on the moon and we won the goddamn space race in what year? 1969.

[Boston Connor]

At the time, that was the most important thing in the world. You don't think the US Was going to win the most important thing in the world?

[Pat McAfee]

I agree. I. I think we want it. I think we want it. Even if. If we didn't. We won.

[Boston Connor]

We're going to lose to Russia.

[Pat McAfee]

If we were able to bluff and win it, I'm okay with.

[Darius Butler]

That's almost even better.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly. If we were able to fake a moon landing and get everybody to believe that we did it. I still. I'm still a USA1 type guy. I'll bluff a hand. I'm not scared to do that. If we get a win, we get a. If the chips come back to us, we count it as a win. But, you know, the older I get, the more I think about it. I don't.

[Darius Butler]

No, I would advise just not thinking about it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

And just living in the world in which we did go and we did win. And you know what we did. There's just an entire generation of Russian people just put whatever they were doing down, just say, we can't win. We can't beat the US which we love.

[Pat McAfee]

Once again, usa. Usa.

[Ty Schmidt]

Usa.

[Pat McAfee]

Rest in peace. Zurlon Tipton, one of our former teammates, he had a quote that said, makes sense. You don't think about it. He would say something, and then, I like that. I will go. I will go. What? He goes, it makes sense. You don't think about it. Let's keep it moving. That's right. And he just jog away. And I was like, all right, that's awesome.

[Evan Fox]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we won't. You're right. I won't think about it. We'll just keep it moving. Your life's better that way, you know? And Zurlon was certainly a ball of energy, but that's one of the greatest quotes that I've ever heard come out of a human. And I will take that on for the.

[Darius Butler]

You should.

[Pat McAfee]

The 8k stream I know we had from the movie.

[Evan Fox]

Are we sure that wasn't the real one?

[AJ Hawk]

The original is black and white, right?

[Darius Butler]

The original, yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, we don't know.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, the one that aired the video.

[Pat McAfee]

An estimated 650 million people worldwide.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know if the super bowl is ever going to get that many.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, you know, so we'll see.

[Boston Connor]

Too many.

[Pat McAfee]

President Nixon made a call. It's been called the longest distance folk hole. Wait, they made a call to the booth?

[Ty Schmidt]

What?

[AJ Hawk]

Well, yeah, you got to be able to talk to him.

[Boston Connor]

Patched it through. Houston.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, of course.

[AJ Hawk]

Look at that.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Houston didn't have any problems that day, did they?

[Darius Butler]

No, they didn't.

[Pat McAfee]

Let me see if I can even call my wife right now. It's two, two blocks down.

[Boston Connor]

Our WI fi doesn't work on the.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Plane half the flight.

[Boston Connor]

Talking about NASA, not Apple.

[Pat McAfee]

When we're up on a plane and WI fi just doesn't work and they're like, well, we're on an airplane. It's like, well, they're on goddamn moon.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, well, they weren't used an Alinksys router. I can guarantee that.

[Boston Connor]

Bingo.

[Darius Butler]

Space age technology that we our minds can't even comprehend.

[AJ Hawk]

It's true.

[Ty Schmidt]

Usa. Usa.

[Pat McAfee]

Usa. All right. We win. I know.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I know. You know.

[AJ Hawk]

Either way, we won. Either way, we won.

[Pat McAfee]

Amen. No matter. No matter how you slice it or dice it. We won the space game. We won the space Base game. And I'm thankful for that, that we won. In that particular time. I wasn't alive. I wasn't even thought of. But it is a nice little feather under the United States of America's cap. Yeah, that Buzz and Neil got it done.

[Darius Butler]

End of the first Cold War.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know we had a cold call up to the moon, though. That's the first time I've heard.

[Evan Fox]

Longest long distance call ever of all time.

[Pat McAfee]

Still.

[Evan Fox]

Yep. Still stands to this day.

[Pat McAfee]

650 million people worldwide. Watch it. I don't know if that's ever going to get topped.

[Darius Butler]

Think so.

[Pat McAfee]

And then. Longest phone call of all time to the moon. Wow, that's amazing.

[Ty Schmidt]

That just swung me the other way.

[Pat McAfee]

We did it.

[Ty Schmidt]

No way. We did it.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, if seeing that phone call thing. Up until right there I believed it. And now I don't.

[Pat McAfee]

Was there a delay or were they talking. Hello, Hello, Hello.

[Darius Butler]

Instantaneous.

[Pat McAfee]

There was no delay. No, there was no delay.

[Ty Schmidt]

No way.

[AJ Hawk]

Probably one of the first facetimes. Kind of.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard. Yeah, well, he certainly saw him.

[Darius Butler]

Well, now you gone too far. I mean it was way too far.

[Boston Connor]

Through a satellite, through NASA.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, suck it, Russia. We never went and we still won.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I Think we. I think we beat him.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, yeah, we won.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Anyways, last super bowl was the most watched thing since the moonland.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. 650 million.

[AJ Hawk]

Maybe this one will beat it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Talk about air quotes.

[Pat McAfee]

650.

[Ty Schmidt]

Call Steven Jones.

[Pat McAfee]

How'd they count that? Nielsen was on the numbers.

[Darius Butler]

Well, I think they just knew damn near everyone in the world was watching that.

[Pat McAfee]

Walker. I saw everybody was watching. Did you see? Yeah, I saw everybody. I saw. I got a friend in Ohio. He said everybody he knew. So.

[Darius Butler]

Mo, we need to watch the U.S. win again.

[Pat McAfee]

Can we please listen to this? Please listen to this. The President of the United States is in his office now and would like to say a few words to you over. Tell them to talk. That would be an honor. All right, go ahead. Mr. President, this is Houston out. Hello, Neil and Buzz. I'm talking to you by telephone from the Oval Room at the White House. And this certainly has to be the most historic telephone call ever made. I just can't tell you how proud we all are of what you. For every American, this happens to be the proudest day of our lives. And for people all over the world, I am sure they too, joined in recognizing what an immense feat this is. Because of what you have done, the heavens have become a part of man's world. That's right. And as you talk to us from the sea of tranquility inspires us to redouble our efforts to bring peace and tranquility to Earth. That's right. For one priceless moment in the whole history of man, all the people on this earth are truly one. One in their pride in what you have done and one in our prayers that you will return safely to Earth. There it is. It wasn't. They were on Earth. They'll return.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Hopefully they return safely from the moon.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you, Mr. President. It's a great honor and privilege for us to be here representing not only the United States, but man of peace, of all nations, and with interest and a curiosity and with the vision for the future. And thank you very much, and I look forward. All of us look forward to seeing you on the Hornet on Thursday. Come on. Yeah. We did go. All right. Sweet.

[Evan Fox]

We did it.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the same delay frequency as we currently have with ESPN when we send our show. So I'm happy. A lot has changed in technology. Congrats to us making it up there.

[Darius Butler]

We did it.

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[Pat McAfee]

Sorry.

[Dan Orlovsky]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Ty Schmidt]

Forgot it was Nixon too. He's a real trustworthy guy.

[Evan Fox]

Hey, Nick's the Jesus.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, no, no. It's not as if Nixon ever did anything.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not a crook.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know crooked when he was in there.

[AJ Hawk]

No way. This sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

He said, return to Earth.

[Boston Connor]

Are you guys not American?

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm pretty bummed out that I've learned today that we never went to the moon.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, we didn't teach you that?

[Boston Connor]

Conspiracy guy doesn't think we went to the movie.

[Ty Schmidt]

I believed it up until five minutes ago, which really sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

No, we went. He said, return to Earth. We'll see it to Hornet. Charlotte had a game. Charlotte. Hornet.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's just a bummer.

[Pat McAfee]

We beat him.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's. Yeah. We still won. We still won.

[Evan Fox]

Respect that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, we never won.

[AJ Hawk]

They patched him through. It wasn't like an official phone call. Like they patched him through Houston, you know, like, it was like, held his phone up to the speaker base.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was just like when Houston's talking to Neil. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

You think he dialed AT and T on a rotary phone and called him?

[Ty Schmidt]

I think, though, I mean, I think there's a chance. Those were just lines in.

[AJ Hawk]

In the.

[Ty Schmidt]

Into a phone and then they said their lines back. I. I legitimately. Until 1:32. I thought we went to the moon Then.

[Pat McAfee]

Then you had to bring that video up.

[Ty Schmidt]

650 million people. They all watched moon landing. They made a phone call.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you think?

[Boston Connor]

No one cared about the moon landing.

[Ty Schmidt]

President Nixon.

[Pat McAfee]

That might be 750 million, brother. We. We didn't get an accurate total. Who cares?

[Ty Schmidt]

10 billion. Who gives a. I don't know if.

[Pat McAfee]

They had 10 billion people.

[Ty Schmidt]

We don't even know, but they might as well just say that.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm bummed out.

[Darius Butler]

You hear how crazy you sound?

[Pat McAfee]

I do.

[Ty Schmidt]

I didn't think I was going to be here. Just like you didn't think you were going to.

[Pat McAfee]

Barely.

[Ty Schmidt]

Him going. I didn't think I was going to not believe in the moon landing.

[Pat McAfee]

No, we need you to believe. It's America. Come on. We did it.

[Ty Schmidt]

America still won.

[Pat McAfee]

We did.

[Ty Schmidt]

And that's the bottom line.

[Pat McAfee]

USA.

[Ty Schmidt]

USA.

[Pat McAfee]

USA. Anyway, 57.7 million average viewers for the AFC championship, last year's super bowl, most watched thing since the definite moon landing that we had in 1969.

[Boston Connor]

Spent a whole two hours up there.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That was.

[Pat McAfee]

It didn't.

[Boston Connor]

So all we need to see. So we're good here two hours.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's get out of here. Well, they said we got kicked out by whoever was potentially up there.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Doing a little knocky knock on the wrong door up there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, you know what they're doing up there now?

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Ty Schmidt]

They're inside the moon.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's that?

[Evan Fox]

That.

[Darius Butler]

This guy. This guy?

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Dan Orlovsky]

We're gonna listen to this guy?

[AJ Hawk]

How'd they get there? Khan.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's the Galactic Federation. In the. In the. In the world's. The world's brightest minds working with aliens.

[Pat McAfee]

Anyways, what do you think? The. All right, so we went to the moon.

[Evan Fox]

Wait, how many. How many times have you been back?

[AJ Hawk]

Plenty. Dude hit a golf ball off the moon. We saw it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Tiger.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't know about that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was a Puma commercial.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not commercial.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was a Nike commercial for Tiger Gatorade.

[Evan Fox]

William Dunn.

[Boston Connor]

We've been there 12 times.

[Evan Fox]

12. Oh, okay.

[AJ Hawk]

What's his name? The old guy? The actor who went up and it really just crushed his dreams.

[Pat McAfee]

William Shatner. He went up there and said, don't go. Nothing's up there. All right? So the people saying that, they will boycott. We went to the moon.

[Darius Butler]

We went to the moon.

[Pat McAfee]

We went.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, we did keep saying it.

[Darius Butler]

We went to the moon.

[Ty Schmidt]

This sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to us. We did it in 19. 60. 69. That was great.

[Ty Schmidt]

I. I got some bad news.

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's not news. It's your opinion.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't think it is. I think. I think we kind of confirmed it here.

[Pat McAfee]

There's no way.

[Ty Schmidt]

There's no way we did that.

[Darius Butler]

You know what? This guy wasn't saying any of this stuff before. He had a Chinese samurai bun on the back of his hair.

[Pat McAfee]

Japanese.

[Darius Butler]

You think there was never a Chinese.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy who slipped over and said, oh.

[Darius Butler]

I think I'm gonna be a.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, no, no, I don't think.

[Darius Butler]

I think there was.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think.

[Boston Connor]

Forbidden. Guess what? World War II happened too got news for you.

[Pat McAfee]

We won. We won. Yeah, I know. World War II, USA. Good for us. Anyways, let's get back to the boycott of the Super Bowl. What was last year's number?

[Boston Connor]

We only went to moon six times, by the way.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Tony's making things up to make the story sound.

[Boston Connor]

I think six makes things up to make it sound worse.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dan die on the moon?

[Pat McAfee]

No, they thrived. They had a phone call with the President on the moon.

[Ty Schmidt]

If no one died, then I definitely don't feel like we went.

[Pat McAfee]

People did die in the mission to get there, obviously. Testing rockets and things, which would probably.

[Ty Schmidt]

Shut it down, right?

[Pat McAfee]

No, cuz we had to beat them.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Had to get there for sure.

[Darius Butler]

Have you ever seen Apollo 13?

[Ty Schmidt]

I've seen Tom Hanks, which. I mean, that's a whole different cover.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about super bowl last year. Most watched since the moon landing. That we all agree, except for Connor, we went to. Definitely went to 120.25 million viewers. Simulcast got 3.46 million. Not too shabby. 123.7. You start doing the math there. Total across all platforms. Most watched thing since the moon landing. People. 126 down there. What was that? New England, Atlanta. But I guess the average was only 111.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, and they don't have the out of home there for the, for the. For the latest one.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so what are we projecting for this year's Super Bowl? 120, I guess would be the right projection. Is that what we're expecting? Because everything for the NFL is up and to the right. If it was to stay at 123.7, I think people would say that's a success, especially with how big last year was. But if you look at the numbers here, 1081-131151-13126, 119, 113. Now when you get to 2020, 101, which doesn't make any sense, what was everybody doing? There's nothing else to do.

[Darius Butler]

No, there wasn't.

[Pat McAfee]

You had to watch the super bowl, I thought 101, 112, 115, 123. So everything's going up and to the right last four years. We think that continues. Let's take a vote. DBA, you think it's more than 123.7?

[Evan Fox]

Yes, I think it's more tone.

[Pat McAfee]

You think it's more than 123.7? No, I don't think so either. No, I don't. I think 120.

[Boston Connor]

20 will be what was last week When. Or not last week. Sorry. Two weeks ago, when Bill's Ravens was down as far as the divisional round. Like that surprised me. So I. I would not be shocked if this one was down for some reason.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Like if you pull that back up for a second, the entire graph, like, look where it is. New England, Atlanta, and then the next two New England's in all three of those Super Bowls, like people do. And then people get tired of. We're in the same exact thing here with of KC.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But Kansas City was in three out of four, and then the fourth one was the highest. So Kansas City, Tampa Bay 101. Kansas City, Philly 115. Kansas City, San Francisco 123.7.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Have like a Floyd Mayweather effect, though. Like where people like the diehards want to see the Chiefs win, but then everyone else wants to see them lose.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Yeah. And do you feel like this year has been even more so their most.

[Pat McAfee]

Hated year, but this year also the highest ratings, I think, since. Since 2015 for the NFL.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So, I mean, there's so many different things. I wonder what the NFL is projecting. I wonder if somebody lasts. Roger Goodell in a Super bowl press conference.

[Boston Connor]

Now, if you look at New England, Atlanta, and then, you know, the last one, those were both, if I'm reading the graph correctly, overtime games. So they were close games. A lot of people tuning in to watch them.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, get a little extra.

[Boston Connor]

The Tampa Bay one, they won by 22. I'm reading that correct. That one. 101 million.

[Pat McAfee]

So the game matters.

[Boston Connor]

Game does matter.

[Evan Fox]

Philadelphia, history too.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Evan Fox]

Three peat. Got a chance to see something done that's never been done before.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So you can market the out of that. But I think what people are getting out of the marketing is I'm tired of seeing them. I'm tired of seeing it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Because even for like the history conversation, you could say that with Tampa and KC Because Brady was going for his seventh.

[Pat McAfee]

Taylor Swift in that last one, right?

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the first one she's a part of, which I know football people don't want to hear this, but that's a real number for sure. You know, like, my wife is much more interested in the game to see what Taylor is doing or how Taylor is reacting. She's obviously 36, about to turn 37. Oh, yikes.

[Ty Schmidt]

I believe that's right.

[Pat McAfee]

I think so.

[Ty Schmidt]

Wait, Taylor Swift or your wife?

[Pat McAfee]

My wife. Oh, I think she's 36. About to turn 37. She said her half birthday the other day.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Obviously.

[AJ Hawk]

Happy half birthday.

[Ty Schmidt]

Happy birthday.

[Pat McAfee]

We celebrate. Happy half birthday, Sam. Love you, lady birthday. But with that being said, Swifties, very real daughters of a lot of football dudes told stories about how they were able to share more time with their daughters than they ever had in the past. And they've fallen in love with football. So that obviously adds to the number of it all. Also, overtime certainly helps because longer game, more people potentially get their eyes on it.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I mean, all those videos came out last year of like groups of girls throwing like Taylor Swift themed, like super bowl parties who, you know, in years past probably probably either didn't give a or, you know, went with their husbands or significant others and, you know, weren't focused on the game. But like, we're talking like massive parties with like Taylor Swift related stuff. And you would assume that just as she's become, you know, it's like, hey, guess what? Her and Travis are probably gonna get married. Like, this is real. And I think maybe last year people were kinda. No, it's not like it is. So I wonder if that'll go up again.

[Boston Connor]

I think the halftime show probably matters too.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[Evan Fox]

Hey, was Rihanna last year, right?

[AJ Hawk]

Big time.

[Evan Fox]

2. Who was it last year?

[AJ Hawk]

Rihanna was pregnant when she did it two years ago. Rihanna last year.

[Pat McAfee]

Was it Usher? Usher, yeah. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I remember he roller skated. Roller skated?

[Pat McAfee]

Y. Yeah. And he had the Alicia Keys moment where he was really doing it to her. Yeah, he was really dancing on her. You remember that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Was he.

[Pat McAfee]

They were. They were grinding. They weren't smooching.

[Darius Butler]

No, they weren't.

[Pat McAfee]

They were grinding out there.

[Darius Butler]

Swiss Beats was not happy.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, no, we're saying Swiss Beats shouldn't be happy. And then Swiss Beats said, my wife just performed at super bowl. Everybody needs to relax. How about that leash? Skis is an absolute dog, which she is. So is Ersher Kendrick Lamar down in Louisiana excited to see who pops up into that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, there's one.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Ty Schmidt]

There's only one person who should pop up. Who's that be Wheezy of B, baby.

[Pat McAfee]

Lil Wayne. Allegedly there was reports that Lil Wayne was asked if he wanted to do the halftime perform. Allegedly there was a lot. Obviously got really loud when Kendrick was elected over Lil Wayne down there. But then there was a bunch of interviews that were done by a bunch of people that were part of it. And they were like, we asked, we didn't want to. Ah, who knows? But you're right. Fireman should Certainly come out there.

[Ty Schmidt]

No doubt. Birdman too, maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Why not? Booy let Booy come running out there too.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

You know, Birdman flying any weather.

[Evan Fox]

True.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Bird call would be great out there. Would be. Is he going to do. He's got to do not like us, right?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, it was on the commercial.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, I think I do. Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

Has to do it.

[Boston Connor]

Maybe. Baby boy to Prince.

[Pat McAfee]

This is the way I live. Maybe. Ball still big. Marshawn lynch interrupted Pete Carol's press conference. I don't know if you heard that, A.J. somebody screamed Raiders. Who was it? There you go.

[Ty Schmidt]

There you go. That's what I'm talking about. Hey, Mark, settle down a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Pete Carroll quickly dismisses it as Mark Davis, which it certainly could have been. It was actually Marshawn lynch who operates, obviously Bay Area legend, a man who played for the Raiders and also a very close friend, I would assume, of Pete Carroll. Marshawn's pumped about it, Pete seemingly pumped to be a Raider, allegedly. There is ties to maybe. Is Geno Smith going to be a Raider quarterback? Is Russell Wilson going to be a Raider quarterback? What does Pete Carroll's version of the Raiders look like? We shall see. But I'll tell you, the vibes look a lot better than they have over the last few years. AJ Hulk.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I'd say that's what bringing Pete in, you know, bring. We know Pete runs at like a up tempo, high energy, like fast, fun, practice, but yeah. Does Marshawn have an official title? Like, is Pete going to hire him in some kind of assistant role, you think?

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's just Marshon. Right.

[Boston Connor]

Like that's the title like McConnell is for Texas.

[AJ Hawk]

Come and go as you want. Yeah. Culture guy.

[Pat McAfee]

He's the Minister of culture. The. The Minister of Culture, not the administer of culture. Because he's not an admin, I believe is what McConaughey said. He's the Minister of Culture. And obviously that is something that Matthew McConaughey has taken very, very seriously down there in Texas. He's at every single event and he's always representing Hook em for the Horns. Marshawn probably just welcome in the building whenever. And that's big, you know, anytime you're trying to put your culture in, you want your guys in there that are going to help you do it. Marshawn being able to do that for Pete is certainly an immediate, immediate, immediate, like kind of, you know, solidifier of the fact that it works around here and that everybody should get on board, don't you think? D Bud.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, it could be. Oh, it could be.

[AJ Hawk]

We'll see.

[Evan Fox]

But I'll tell you what. They need to find a damn quarterback. That's the biggest thing for the Raiders. And what Pete car gonna do out there, I think Marshawn lynch, his vibes are immaculate wherever he is. He's a Raider guy, played for the Raiders. He's a Bay Area guy when they were out there. Obviously, they're in Vegas now, but. And he had obviously a great run with Pete Carroll in Seattle. So him being around the building is always going to be good.

[Pat McAfee]

Another legendary older football coach has made some change. Bill Belichick, who we thought we were going to potentially catch up with today, obviously very busy. He has turned the field down in Carolina back to natural grass. Oh, is it Carolina or is it Kentucky bluegrass? It's Kentucky bluegrass is a style of grass. But you would think with Carolina, especially down in Cary, where we were and we were on that entire sports complex, the grass, they had the best grass that we'd ever been around. Bill said, what are we doing? Let's get grass back in here. Love the move by Michael Lombardi, Bill Belichick and the new staff down there. I wonder why they ever got rid of it, to be honest. In North Carolina. How's the weather? Does it get better?

[AJ Hawk]

It's money, man. You can. You don't have to have that as gigantic of a ground crew. And you can host a million events on there. Like, if you have a grass field, you can't be having graduations and different things all the time.

[Pat McAfee]

I wonder how many events are actually hosting in that thing. Like, that all sounds good in theory, until you actually decide to use it or not use it. Love that they're getting back to grass. Love that. That's one of Bill Belichick's first moves down there. He's like, hey, have you heard what? Everybody wants grass. You know why? Because the joints and everything. And also it's much more beautiful. It's much more old school. It's what we should be about down here in North Carolina. Julius Peppers, what he play on. I'm sure Michael Lombardi, these guys all love the grass. Then they got rid of the grass. Congrats to North Carolina for making that move. Congrats to Ohio State in Emeka Abuka, who there is now clips coming out from the national championship game where big brains are on display.

[Ty Schmidt]

Go back, look at the inside leverage he has and see if he's attacking them.

[Pat McAfee]

That's Christian Gray he's talking about. And obviously the game winner on third and 11 was a go ball on 29 by Jeremiah Smith, where Christian Gray has inside leverage and Jeremiah Smith runs to his feet to keep him going inside and then drifts outside to create all the space that Will Howard was able to drop it into a bucket. And that's all she wrote. The Ohio State Buckeyes are national champions. I love that the players felt comfortable enough to not only have input, but also the coaches saying, yeah, let's do that, AJ Good program over there.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that's. That's like, you know, when you're. Your players take ownership in the team and the program, that's what happens, things like that. Also, who's holding this camera? Great, great shot in the moment, getting this thing, too. Once again, we're dealing with all this now. It's cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Once again, social media teams can be an asset to your program, but they can also be a deficit to your program. That right there is wonderful. Emeka Buka heading to the NFL, right? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

He's going number 21 overall, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. This is only upping his draft stock. Look at him next to Will Howard, obviously on the headphones, talking upstairs. But a booker just being like, hey, this. This guy is asking for us to go deep on him. And then in the biggest moment, they choose to do it. I love everything about that.

[Evan Fox]

And then him not talking about taking ownership of the program, him not calling his own shot, him saying that for Jeremiah Smith. So that's dope to see that.

[Pat McAfee]

And Chip Kelly goes, yeah, I like that.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's good call.

[Pat McAfee]

And then Will Howard comes out with a wheelbarrow, drops in there. Did you hear Dan Orlovsky? He listed off a hundred quarterbacks. None of them Will Howard. We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Goodbye. Yeah. Why? Why? Is it because that Dr. Pepper commercial.

[AJ Hawk]

You think, well, that's pretty recent. I think this goes back a ways. I mean, I feel like he's owned the Dr. Pepper commercial. @ least his teammates in the comments have come out, and he.

[Boston Connor]

He understands, you know, what's happened is everyone we've talked to, Dano and. And dj they haven't watched the playoff run on tape yet. Except as that happens, we saw it live and in person. Like, soon as they saw. They see it on tape.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think that is the difference is us being on the sideline. And first of all, you see the size. Like, that's the thing. Will Howard, you're looking up at like he's big. He's an ox. Yeah, he, he is a, a big dude. First thing I did whenever I saw Drake May was like, he's much bigger than you could have met. He is a large him. And why does that matter? Well, obviously being able to see over the offensive line is something and yada yada, being able to take hits in the NFL normally size is something that you would kind of relate to. Being able to be a little bit more durable. Not saying that he's going to get hurt, but if you're big, normally you're able to take a couple more shots than maybe if you're undersized or whatever the case is. But he made plays in the biggest moment on the biggest stages and he was dropping balls into buckets all over the place. Had to read defenses too. Had to keep everybody happy. Had celebrations with everybody on his team. I like Will Howard, I continue to like Will Howard and he's not playing down the Senior bowl obviously this week as it kicks off. And I know Dana Jeremiah said, I'm bummed out he's not doing that. He's like he had four senior bulls and they were the playoffs and he played his best ball. Go ahead and watch that. And I think as people continue to dive into the tape and maybe get a chance to meet him, good moxie. Seems to be very professional. Looks like a 13 year old as well. So you wonder like, you know, why are people not holding him in as high regard as us? You're right Tone. I think it's because they didn't get a chance to really see him in person. Once they do that, I think there will be a little bit of a change.

[Boston Connor]

It's a, I mean it's a long process and like Bo Nix, I think he was fringe like Bonix and Pennix at the beginning of last year's draft season were both fringe one guys and then once you dive into all the tape and stuff like that, both of them go what? Top 12. So I can see a similar thing happening for Will Howard obviously in this draft season.

[Pat McAfee]

What are your thoughts on Will Howard debutch?

[Evan Fox]

I mean I thought he's pretty good. He had a great run during the playoffs which we all saw. I think everything leading up to this season was probably what's holding him back still to this day. You know, you kind of tab him as a, you know, mid round guy. Not, not a guy that can drop back and make these throws down after down after down. But we saw him do it on the biggest stage. Now it's just going to be the draft process, how much money he makes, makes himself. And it only takes one team to really, you know, fall in love with you and say, hey, this is going to be our guy that we take a chance on in the first or second or third round if he slips.

[Pat McAfee]

Two teams is much better. Yeah, boy, it's much better if two teams like you, One team's all you need. All you need is one billionaire to like you. But if you got two of them, boy, that makes life a lot. Oh, speaking of it. Yep. Got a new new color. I don't know what that means, but got a new color.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's full body.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a baby blue one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Used it this morning.

[Pat McAfee]

Whole body deal. What? Both of them are whole body.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, this is the marine and blue cypress versus the shea butter and cedar.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. Whole body do stop smelling like in public use. Dove men care Whole body do tackle body odor everywhere with Dove men care. Whole body do. Don't be like do in smell. Use whole body body dio and smell great. Don't smell like ass to menker. Whole body do spray that thing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Smell it.

[Pat McAfee]

This one. I haven't smelled the baby blue one.

[AJ Hawk]

It's cypress like, like an ocean. Ocean breeze.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, like Poseidon's ocean. For. For all the poll.

[Darius Butler]

It does, that.

[Pat McAfee]

One'S got a little bit more sauce on it.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Is nice.

[Pat McAfee]

That is a refreshing laundry. That is a refreshing smell. It is like fresh laundry. So you don't even gotta wash your clothes. You can be a full on dirt bag. And then our friends at Dove men Care. Boom. Whole body do will look out for you. Spray in the morning, spray to lunch, spray at night. You'll never smell like an dove men care Whole body do.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's on the biz. It lasts all day.

[Pat McAfee]

Might as well be the only ones in the biz. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Seriously suitable.

[Pat McAfee]

Using your pits, your privates or your feet.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

So if your tank tank smelling that good, go ahead and spray or die. If your feet are yuck, spray them down. And if your pits are yuck, spray them down with dove men care. And they don't leave the white stain veins all over it either, you know? Oh, that's key.

[AJ Hawk]

That is key.

[Boston Connor]

They're not showing dong in the privates picture. Do you think you can straight on your dong or you gotta be wearing underwear?

[Pat McAfee]

If your dong smells, you should go to a doctor. Okay? That's what Dove mencare is saying.

[Ty Schmidt]

You can rip it on the dong.

[Pat McAfee]

You've had a tough day.

[Ty Schmidt]

Today I, I just, I'm just telling you, I, I, I'm pretty sure it doesn't burn.

[Pat McAfee]

But I'm saying you've had a tough time day today. Today was a tough day for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

How so?

[Pat McAfee]

1 1:33, 1:33pm Lot of happened for you today.

[Ty Schmidt]

1:30. Yeah, today was just like a weird, like where am I?

[Pat McAfee]

I got good news for you though. Yet another New England Patriots quarterback after the rookie years in the Pro Bowl. Drake May has been named to what? Wow.

[Darius Butler]

Congratulations.

[Pat McAfee]

Just like Mac Jones Christian's after his rookie year. Hell yeah. Standing up. You're gonna stand it out in the back.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who else is in the show that can ready? Can we show it?

[Pat McAfee]

Is that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who, who reported that?

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Who reported that?

[Pat McAfee]

It's being reported by Ari Miroff at my sports Update.

[Darius Butler]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember, the quarterback is a position where they take the top 19 make it in to the Pro bowl. Because normally the good quarterbacks all say, I ain't doing that. What? I'm supposed to be playing catch with eggs and water balloons? I don't think so. So, you know, it has certainly become something where more quarterbacks get a shot to shine. And Drake May is now in the Pro bowl games and representing the New England Patriots at the most important position. Right where he's supposed to be. We were wondering why he was at tgl. Yeah, why is this guy tgl? Well, he's down there in Florida because he's heading to Orlando, brother, to be a part of the Pro bowl games. Congrats to you. You guys got it right with that draft pick to take Pro Bowler, Drake May.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, we did.

[Pat McAfee]

Why aren't you happy for Drake May? He's a Pro Bowler.

[Boston Connor]

He beat out Josh and Burrow and.

[Pat McAfee]

Lamar and Anthony Richardson could have made it. Sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

Russell Wilson, it's sweet. I'm pumped. You know, get down there, talk to the other pro bowlers, you know, whoever else is a Pro Bowler. I'm not sure who else made it but Skyler Thompson or Mike White or whoever else is playing quarterback for the.

[Pat McAfee]

Dana will be down there, he says going down today.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep. That'll be awesome. I, I mean, you know, I think if we're actually going to talk about these awards as if they mean something, like I don't think Drake May would even say like, hey, I played Pro bowl football this year. But that's very awesome that he's a one time Pro Bowler just like Garter Minshew and Matt Jack Jones and Snoop Huntley before him.

[Pat McAfee]

Now this is A good time to say they don't get any of their bonuses for being a pro bowler. If you're a pro bowler alternate. So this literally does not mean you're an actual pro bowler, but you will be in a pro bowl uniform. So.

[Ty Schmidt]

So it does it go on your accolades?

[Pat McAfee]

I think we will still say it is, but whenever it comes to contracts and things like that, if you're an alternate, it does not boost your pro bowl bonuses into things.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's his rookie year, so. So it is cool. Like I'm pumped for him. But like if this happens like year three, then it's gonna be like, what.

[Pat McAfee]

If he takes over like Mac Jones. You remember Mac Jones.

[AJ Hawk]

Drake will be good for tv. He'll be good in all those games.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, he will be because he can throw priority.

[Darius Butler]

The favorite to win the three legged race.

[Ty Schmidt]

I hope.

[Pat McAfee]

I hope he wins the three legged race.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dodgeball. He did beat.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not talking about him running with his dong. We're talking about him teammate.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Their legs. Legs. You were thinking he was gonna have to tripod this thing. That ain't it. Then when they tie the legs together and they got a. You know that thing. That's three legged race.

[Boston Connor]

Him and Dan will get some good quality time together before maybe the quarterback carnival.

[Pat McAfee]

Also maybe Dano the. Is Dano going up to the staff up there in New England? No.

[Ty Schmidt]

We hired our QB coach.

[Boston Connor]

Who?

[Ty Schmidt]

Thomas brought the Bears.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, see?

[Ty Schmidt]

Former interim head coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right. Everybody in the Thunderdome has a cold or some form of it. So we are going to end this show early and we would like to say we apologize, but everybody needs to get healthy around here.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it's going around. You guys better watch.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, we know. A.J. we got it.

[Darius Butler]

So have it.

[Pat McAfee]

We've been watching, brother. Yeah, we know literally every human in you watching it. We. We did watch and we felt too, you know, what is that?

[AJ Hawk]

Why is that just the time of year?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, I think so. Yeah. Last. The last two years I've gotten whatever this is during the super bowl. So I'm very happy that it's the week beforehand. So I can maybe even enjoy the super bowl week. But yeah, I think it is a part of. I mean our schedules are something, you know, schedules are yours. They're certainly a part of it. Maybe. But. Yeah. I don't know how this happens. I don't know what it is. What like I just high five somebody and then.

[Boston Connor]

I mean it was zero degrees for two weeks.

[AJ Hawk]

This happens.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. We're back tomorrow 100 healthy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hell yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And we apologize for ending the show early, but we've done some really long shows.

[Ty Schmidt]

We have apologize for the moon landing info is what we really apologize for.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I didn't mean.

[AJ Hawk]

What does that change? Does that change your life con if it's wasn't real?

[Pat McAfee]

How about this changes history? How about it? How about it?

[Ty Schmidt]

Go on.

[Pat McAfee]

This is it.

[Boston Connor]

Please, please make this.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, it's a big shot.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my God. Mix it. Stretch it out a little.

[Darius Butler]

If you're going to do this, you better do the Anthony Richardson thing. Go walk over and just lay that thing into the hoop because this is a certainty. Okay. This isn't like, oh, did we or did we not? I'm going throw like the universe has already told us that this happened, but has it?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, we have evidence it has.

[Pat McAfee]

Man. No.

[Boston Connor]

Good.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Yep.

[Evan Fox]

Shocker.

[Pat McAfee]

That looks like the moon to me. So I'm going to go with it. We wanted the moon.

[Boston Connor]

How's the flag blow?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, there's actually an absence of gravity, so it's actually just being. Yeah. So it's not blowing unless there's a. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Wouldn't it be still and stiff?

[AJ Hawk]

They brought back moon rocks and stuff. What about the moon rocks and the dust they brought back?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right.

[AJ Hawk]

That's real.

[Pat McAfee]

When I went bigfoot on and I saw that guy, he probably back hair of the big. That's what I believe.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dust really sells me.

[Pat McAfee]

Moon dust.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, dust.

[AJ Hawk]

Moon dust. Can we zoom in on the moon and still see the stuff we left up there?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

No smart of cheese.

[Ty Schmidt]

See's not even a rock.

[Pat McAfee]

We need one of these to go in. You hear me?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's. It's over for me, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

No. What if this goes in?

[Ty Schmidt]

You already did it.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a universe ball. Still.

[Ty Schmidt]

Universe doesn't speak.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, it does. Through these balls.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not multiple times. The first one. There's always the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Am I even trying?

[Darius Butler]

That's. That's what I'm.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, you know the truth.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, three misses, you normally fire that pig skin.

[Ty Schmidt]

What's the universe say about three misses?

[Pat McAfee]

I was like, the universe decide.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, the three misses, those were Russia, China and whoever else was trying to.

[Pat McAfee]

Get to the moon God, Cuba.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's. That's the worst possible scenario.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't lie.

[Darius Butler]

No, I mean, you're not trying, cuz, you know, this is just a silly game to be playing or something that already happened.

[Pat McAfee]

It is silly.

[Boston Connor]

It's a hard throw though too. Let's not Remember that ain't hard to.

[Evan Fox]

Get it to the moon.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, the in and outs make me.

[AJ Hawk]

The slingshot on the way home is.

[Darius Butler]

Crazy to think that's basic telemetry, brother.

[AJ Hawk]

Super basic.

[Boston Connor]

Guess you've never seen Armageddon.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, we're hidden figures.

[AJ Hawk]

Who's the first person to do that, though? Who's first person to have the idea we're gonna slingshot and use the gravity and all that.

[Pat McAfee]

And NASA read a book.

[Ty Schmidt]

Galileo.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, I know who we recruited. Believe me, I know that.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, do you?

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Graveyard got sent this by a man named Ari Gold because he's just a little chihuahua baby dog. And he said, never want me to forget it, baby dog. You'll be right there as a big dog does his job. All right. We'll be back tomorrow. Be your friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. Wash your hands. Science.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

And study the moon a little bit. Because America went there.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't know if there's a point.

[Pat McAfee]

But we're gonna sing together. Team on me. Team on three. 1, 2, 3. Team goodbye. From ESPN podcast and Omaha Productions, Coach is a new, groundbreaking educational football podcast hosted by NFL legends Bill Belichick, Matt Patricia and Michael Lombardi. In each episode, the coaches break down game changing situations and front office management tactics, sharing insights from decades of coaching experience and opening up the Bill Belichick encyclopedia of football knowledge created by football legends for football fans. New episodes of Coach Drop weekly. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.