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PMS 2.0 1287 - Chuck Pagano, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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PMS 2.0 1287 - Chuck Pagano, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this coach andy Reid. Wednesday, January 29, 2025. This program starts now. Football. It's wonderful. And today we have a lot of great football conversations right around the corner. We have Chuck Bogano joining us in about 10 minutes. Yes, Chuck Pagano, the former head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. A man who had spent 36 years of his life coaching football. 18 in college, 18 in the NF. It is official he will be back coaching with the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, Charles, this news was broke yesterday. We obviously missed the hell out of Chuck Pagano on this particular program. But we're incredibly happy that he's back in the game, in the sport, in the league that he loves. We'll chat with him in about nine minutes or so to see how did this decision come about? Was it because he hated Conor so bad? Is it because he hated this? Or is it because he missed the game? All these football guys, all of them basically have a yearning to get back in the game. That's why you're seeing 70 plus year olds get head coaching jobs. That's why you're seeing Bill Belichick go back to unc. That's why you're seeing Chuck, who is at the age of 64, going to be a senior secondary coach, because they just love it. They can't live without it. I think we were able to scratch the itch for Chuck there for a bit when he would travel out here, experience a little bit of team, but now he's getting back into a building, back into a program, back into a franchise that he knows very well and respects very well. And I cannot wait to see how he does over there. So, you know, if you count Kyle Van Noy, which Kyle would like us to do as such, and then you obviously do the math with Lombo and Bill and now Chuck. It does feel as if a lot of the people that we talk to on a regular basis are getting jobs back in the sport that they love of football. And we would like to say we're incredibly proud of them.
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Boston Connor
Hell yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Congrats to all the boys getting back out there. The toxic tables here at Boston, Connor and at Tyschmitt. Con man. Do you think this is your fault?
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Boston Connor
Potentially, yeah, a little bit. But also, you know, that old man, he doesn't want to be home. You know, we've heard what he does at home and sure there are fleeting moments of very, very fun, syrup filled adventures, but I feel like in this sense, Charles just loves the game. I mean Pagano, I believe is his brother used to coach there or is still there. One of them is in Washington. I'm not sure if he's still in Baltimore or not, but it does feel as though it is one of those situations where Chuck just loves coaching ball. I mean he would get going here when he would start talking about the games and it feels like now that he's back with Baltimore, who he mentioned, you know, recently, hey, this team can win it all. The secondary, all of it. It's just a perfect situation for Chuck.
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Pat McAfee
It is exciting to add coach Chuck Pagano to our def of staff and continue to develop and grow our young talented secondary. Chuck brings a wealth of knowledge, experience and coaching talent to our team. He has deep ties to the program and is excited to get to work. Let's go to 9 year NFL vet and a man who played every position in the secondary, corner, safety and nickel host of everything. Db, Good D, Bad D. Darius J. Butler, D. Butts. You obviously played for a team that Chuck wanna was the head coach and obviously he and you had great moments together in the film room, on the field. In. You get it. What are the Baltimore Ravens getting out of this old ass man who's now a senior secondary coach.
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Darius Butler
A guy who loves ball and he never, you know, he's one of those guys who never leaves the game. Even when he was here, he was still, you know, looking over the injury report and the weather and the refs and all the different intricate details that guys would do or wouldn't do when they were on tv. He still had that coaching itch. I'm glad he got back in there being a senior DB coach. I'm not sure exactly what that title will be, but I'm glad that he's back in there, back in the building doing what he loves doing.
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Pat McAfee
He's 64 years old. The secondary coach is 60 years old.
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Boston Connor
Geez Louise.
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Pat McAfee
So I don't know if that's a junior. Four years is enough to be a junior and a senior. Will he be calling the other guy hey junior? Will he be called senior around the building? We don't know what all his job title will be, but we will chat with him in about 6, 7 minutes. Which leads us to 12 year NFL veteran Super bowl champion player coach. Is he going to get back into the coaching ranks? Whoa, AQ Shipley is here. You know, there's some coaching staffs that still need to be filled. Are you thinking about getting the whistle in the, in the visor, back out and maybe go in the coach. A little ball again.
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AQ Shipley
Hey, Kyush, I am not those. That itch is not scratching anywhere on my body at all.
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Pat McAfee
You don't have that itch is what you're saying.
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AQ Shipley
Yeah, that's exactly right. I have no ambition whatsoever to get back into it right now.
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Pat McAfee
All the words are in there, but the message is clear. Yeah. You do not have the itch to get back into coaching.
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AQ Shipley
Bingo.
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Pat McAfee
You're okay with not having to fix printers and fax machines at about 5am in the morning and all that?
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AQ Shipley
Not one bit.
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Pat McAfee
Chuck's going into a senior role, senior secondary role. I think obviously his respect for John Harbaugh is a big deal. John Harbaugh's respect for him is a big deal. But I think all the things that Debug talked about where the amount of notes he was taking it, he was still acting as if he was a coach. Just like Bill Belichick has been acting like he's still a coach. Just like Lombardi for the last year has been acting like he's a general manager. These guys can't get away.
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AQ Shipley
They can't.
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Boston Connor
And they.
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AQ Shipley
They focus on the things other than just the tape. I think DB And I love to watch the tape, but I'm not checking the weather, I'm not checking the stats, I'm not checking the injury report. I'm not doing that. I'm just watching the tape. I like to watch the tape. I like to break down ball. I like to break down everything and all the different schemes and stuff like that. But he's doing that and he was literally focusing like he's the head coach.
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Pat McAfee
Or like he's running a room that's real. He really has been like. He joined that 33rd team because they get a call every single Wednesday with the lead officials to know what the point of emphasis is going to be for this. Like all these guys, you know, and they try to be cool whenever they want. I'm going to go and join my family. I'm enjoying my family. I'm going to be grandpa. You know, my grandkids always wanted. And it's like, no, you're not. No, you're not. You're an old dog. You're a senior dog. You literally have no chance to learn new tricks. I think there's like a week maybe. I think there's like a two week period where they're like kind of hands off and that's the same amount of time basically in the summer when they get off, they're able to turn off. But Once that gets into, like, three weeks, four weeks, a month, they just go right back into their old routines and they can't help themselves. You know, we've been telling Chuck, and I've been talking to Chuck off air a lot about, when are you getting back into this? When are you getting back into this thing? And he. He was looking at some of the head coaching candidates or coordinator positions, and he was like, maybe I. Maybe I should. Maybe now is the time. I'll be incredibly, like, fascinated by when he thought was gonna be the time. Like last year did he think was the time, but he wanted to delay it, you know? And how's Ms. Tina feel about him getting back in it? He's gonna say that she loves it. Cause he's out of her hair yet again in this entire thing. But I am pumped to kind of get the mindset behind Chuck getting back into the gig.
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AQ Shipley
I was gonna say you nailed it on the head. Listen, sounds great. You want to spend a lot of time with your family. You want to be at home a lot. Speaking from experience, I love my wife. I love her. Love a week in. I need a break. She needs a break. Like, we need to be apart at some point.
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Pat McAfee
You guys have not been married long enough. I think 10 years.
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AQ Shipley
Around 10 years, almost.
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Pat McAfee
Wow, Becky, Wow. But I would like to say congratulations to both of you for that. But it is. That's a very normal thing. Like, I think military relationships are similar. You know, any job that involves, like, people being away and then coming back, and then whenever it's. All of a sudden you're back in there. The family harmony is just. The house harmony is just complete. So what? So now you're just here, right? That's okay. We've had this thing figured out for 20, 30 years. Now you're going to drop in. You got all the answers? I don't think so. And I think that plays into a part of it as well. I think it's just. I think it's good for Chuck Soul that he's got back out there. Now, before we get Chuck, let's talk about another coach. Older coach has made decision. Mike McCarthy. Yinzer, former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and obviously the Green Bay Packers. He has pulled his name out of contention for the New Orleans Saints gig. So has Cliff Kings Barrett. But the reason why Kliff Kingsbury's a little bit different than Mike McCarthy. Kliff Kingsbury's still getting the head coaching contract. He's still getting paid from a guaranteed salary. Everybody was trying to Compare Cliff to like Ben Johnson and all these other people. He's still getting paid from Arizona. Cliff is still getting a big old paycheck, so he's going to stay with Washington. Mike McCarthy now has a year off. What's Big Mike going to do next year? Maybe he, maybe he joins the program. I don't know how he feels about us. I don't think I've ever got a chance to chat with him. He is a yinzer. So he, you know, was raised on the same waters that we were around here. But Big Mike McCarthy point. Why do you think this is, Todd? You think he wants to take a year break? Do you think he looked at the situation in New Orleans and said, this is not a desirable thing for me to potentially get into?
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I think so. I mean, we, we had Sheffield on a couple days ago and he, you know, usually he wouldn't say something like that, but he was like, let's be frank, like this isn't the greatest situation. Or maybe it wasn't Chef. Someone said that very recently to us that like, you look at their. Maybe it was. Dan Orlovsky said it actually yesterday. He said, you look at their cap situation. They kicked the can down the road, down the road, down the road and like now it's here. So if he, Mike McCarthy will have opportunities next year. Again, they don't know what's going on with Derek Carr. They're kind of in that position where they got an old, like a full rebuild is kind of coming there soon. So I don't know if you would want to go from the Cowboys job where it's like you have all this scrutiny. If he's going to be one of those top line guys next year, which we assume he will be, being a former super bowl champion and kind of getting Dak to play the best football of his career, like, it actually worked out pretty well for him. Last time he took a year off, he did the McCarthy project. He duped Tom Pelissero. You know, he was in his basement or in his bar doing all that stuff. Like, why not? Because we, we have no idea what jobs are going to become available next year. Like, what if the, you know, Dolphins job becomes available or something like that, you know, I mean, you just, you have no idea what situations might be a lot more desirable than New Orleans. So why not take a year off.
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Pat McAfee
1/2 of the Hammer? Don Cowboys. Bubba Gumpino nodded his head yes back there. What's that all about?
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AJ Hawk
I mean, it's a make or break year for McDaniel, we all know that, you know you got to win a playoff game. You promised us you were going to win one this year on the show, came on here, told me you're gonna do it, didn't do it.
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Pat McAfee
We gotta win one. 25 fucking years, okay?
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AJ Hawk
We gotta win playoff games.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. So, Ty, you say maybe the Dolphins open up, Gumpy's back there saying, yup, it is gonna be up. But there's numerous jobs every single six to ten, every single year. Mike McCarthy, we assume, will get an opportunity in the next coaching cycle, which is what he's assuming as well. Good luck to him. I hope he enjoys his life. And we will certainly be reaching out to see if he would like to join us one day a week. We have some openings. You know, certainly some people have gotten back into the game that they love. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who I was incredibly lucky to have as a head coach at the Indianapolis Colts, a man that we have all become very close friends with, and a man now who is the senior secondary coach for the Baltimore Ravens. Ladies and gentlemen, coach Chuck Pagano. Coach, how you doing?
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Chuck Pagano
What's up, boys?
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Look at this guy. He's glowing. Wow. This is just like whenever we had Bill on that first week after he signed back with unc. You could tell that his life was full again. It was like he was the happiest he had been. Chuck, congratulations on the Ravens gig. My first question would be, when did you start to kind of consider to get back into coaching? You know, we've chatted ad nauseum about, and we started the show with, you know, you football guys. This is kind of what your life is. It is ball. You've been acting as if you're a head guy basically this entire time you've been retired. You show up here, you have three notebooks full of notes. You're in calls early in the morning with the 33rd team. You've been acting as if you're still in the league while you've been out of it. But when did you decide, you know what, maybe I should be getting back into this thing?
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Chuck Pagano
Probably the day I retired. They walked away in 2020. To be honest, I've always thought about it, Pat, and, you know, being around you guys and doing the gig with you and the 33rd team and then hanging around, you know, Boise State, the coaches here. You know, Pat, it's always been in the back of my mind. It just had to be, you know, the perfect. The perfect situation. And you Know, obviously, you know, very, very familiar with that organization. That had a ton to do with it. The role is absolutely perfect. You know, I really not dying to be a head coach again and have all that responsibility, a coordinator, all the pressure that comes with that. Just an opportunity in this role to go help, you know, John and this organization and that defensive staff, Zach Orr, they've got a great staff over there. So the role was important. Obviously, people. People matter. You know, I know the people in that organization from the top down. It's the gold standard. Steve Bischotti, Ozzie, who's the, you know, was the gm, Eric Da Costa, who's now the gm, John Harbaugh, the staff, everybody in that building. I know all those people. Not much has changed. So it always comes down to people, right, Pat? Just like the people you have there. And then the last thing will pull you off the couch is opportunity to win and win it all. They built a phenomenal roster, as we know. Right. We've been watching them. They are a wagon from top to bottom. Eric and John and that personnel staff, that coaching staff, they built one hell of a roster. They've got a bunch of dudes on both sides of the ball and special teams. So those things, all those things we just chatted about. Yeah, I've never. I've never really stopped. I think you could. You probably knew that. Boys probably knew that.
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Pat McAfee
You could.
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Chuck Pagano
You could feel that, but this opportunity was just too good to pass up.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, we're incredibly happy for you. And you're right, you did never stop. And it is funny to hear you, like, the day I stepped away was the day I was like, I regret this. I regret this helmet. I going to survive. You have done a fantastic job with us. You've done a fantastic job with your family. And I wonder, you know, because you just talked about nobody, you know, the same names, basically. Being there in Baltimore, watching Hard Knocks in season, was that something too there? Because they were back in that Baltimore building, back in the Ravens practice facility. Is that the reason that you maybe. Did you reach out to John or how. How did kind of the conversations begin with you and Harbor?
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Chuck Pagano
We have always stayed in touch, Pat, you know, via text message, a call here and there, holidays, family, you know, very close with John. And it's funny, I. I texted him last week and I was texting for a friend, a fellow coach that was out and looking, you know, for an opportunity, you know, so I reached out, text John, says, hey, I've got a name for you. Potential, you know, spot on Your defensive staff that you have open. And I was traveling back. It was last Thursday, right after the show, Pat. So I was at the airport and I was getting ready to get on a plane. So he says, hey, I'll call you back in a sec. I said, hey, I'm getting on a plane. Can we talk tomorrow? So talk on Friday, talk about this potential candidate, whatever. And then the question comes up, hey, how you doing? You good? You itching a little bit? You feeling like, you know, maybe there's, you know, want to get back in and some capacity? And so a conversation started, led to a zoom call yesterday. Talked a lot of ball for. For a long time. Talked about a lot of things, and it just. It just came out of. Came out of nowhere really. You know, and very, very grateful that. That John would. Would give me this, this opportunity to go back to a place where, like when I went to Baltimore in 08 with him his first year, that organization, that franchise, the success that we had, you know, as a DB coach and then a defensive coordinator my final season, Pat, it changed the whole trajectory of my career. I mean, it changed. It changed everything. You know, we lose a heartbreaker in that AFC championship game, and the next thing you know, you're sitting at a desk and you're, you know, get an opportunity to be the head coach of the Colts. So I owe that organization a ton.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so let's talk about your role that you came in to be. A Q has a question for you.
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AQ Shipley
Coach, Coach, congrats, We're all pumped for you. But quick question, right? So whenever this whole thing came about, just want to know what senior assistant second. Are you guys going to be working. Are you specifically with the safeties and he's with the corners, or are you guys going to be working as a team or vice versa?
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Chuck Pagano
Yeah, great question, you know, because you want to go in on these things with a ton of clarity and take out as much grade and kyush as possible. Right on. Okay, what that role looks like. They have, you know, secondary coaches right now. Chris Hewitt is this, you know, past game coordinator, secondary coach Doug Mallory. Coaches in the secondary, both long time, long time veteran coaches know shit. Ton of ball, obviously know the back end. I get an opportunity to go in, fill a role in the back end where, like, okay, like, how. How can I. How can I mentor? How can I help? What can I add to this? Go through the things. Very familiar with the scheme. Obviously, that scheme AQ has not changed for the last, I mean, 100 years. It seems like, you know, that, that thing has been intact. There's been coordinator after coordinator after coordinator, but the nuts and bolts of that, of that schema have not changed. So, so it's an opportunity for me to go in and hey, what do you, what do you need, what do you, what do you need me to do? You know, how can I, how can I help you guys develop these players? They've got phenomenal players back there. We know that. The Kyle Hamilton's of the world, Marlon Humphrey, Brandon Stevens, you know, our Darius, phenomenal job. They've got, they've got a bunch of dogs. Nate Wiggins is a, is a rookie out of Clemson and after his first year, very promising. So ton of great players and, and an opportunity just to contribute and help build.
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Pat McAfee
How's Ms. Tina feel about this getting you back out of the house, back into a facility? She's loving it, I assume.
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Chuck Pagano
Yeah, she, she's fired up and now, you know, yesterday, but now you wake up 2:30 in the morning again and the wheels are spinning and now, God, I got all this stuff to do, all this response, but whatever. Like, we got to get things in order. She's, she's, she's jacked up. Four of the best years again that we had as, as a family, you know, was in Baltimore, that 08 to 11, 2011 stretch path. So she's fired up. Yeah, it's, it's just a phenomenal place. There's a lot of familiar faces for her as well, from a, you know, coaching staff perspective, wives, those, those kind of things. So she's excited. I. This thing's in order here. We got, we got everything in order. So it's like I'm gonna move out of here, Pat, and get myself a little flat, you know, hopefully close to Little Italy. Used to hang out there a lot in Baltimore.
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Darius Butler
Okay.
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Chuck Pagano
I mean they've got some freaking amazing spots down there, right. And give me a little spot. She'll come back and forth, but, you know, she's not gonna be lonely. My kids will. I'm sure they're gonna be moving in here pretty quick as soon as I mout the door.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, well, I appreciate that. Obviously out there in Boise, got a beautiful place, beautiful view, beautiful life, heading back to Baltimore, a place, you know. Well, maybe you'll be near Little Italy. Maybe you'll be near Jimmy's Famous Seafood. Who said you'll never have to pay for another crab cake. Take them up on that offer for sure.
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Chuck Pagano
Absolutely.
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Pat McAfee
Yes. Every night maybe. Especially if Misstina's not there. We'll Take crab cake every single night from Jimmy's. Make sure that's delivered.
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Chuck Pagano
Yeah, you know what they say, you know, if it's free, give me three.
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Pat McAfee
All right, let's pivot away from the Ravens in Baltimore. D. Buch has a question for you.
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Darius Butler
Congrats again, coach. And I know this is the game that you're trying to get to now, but I'm ask you about the super bowl because I know you've been grinding tape and watching these games. Which one of these defenses do you think has the edge going into this big game with the Eagles and the Chiefs?
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Chuck Pagano
Man, that's a great defense. I think we got. Obviously, you know, everybody's been talking about spags and the hall of Fame career that he's had and what he's done, you know, in Kansas City for a long, long time and over a great career. Vic Fangio bringing. Shoot, you look at Philly, right? The numbers from a year ago till now, I mean, almost dead last in categories to leading the league and scoring or second and scoring defense, you know, number one in yards allowed. I mean, the development of Cooper De Jean, Quinon Mitchell, the job that Howie has done, bringing the playmakers in there. So I think this is, this is going to be a phenomenal game. I don't, I don't think, you know, the last time we saw these two play debuts in the super bowl, you know, we had a high scoring affair. I think 38, 35, you know, was the final and Casey got the edge there. We've got a lot of offensive and great talent on that side. But, but I think these two defenses, I think, you know, we've talked long and hard. AQ has talked long and hard about this offensive line for Kansas City. The woes that they have, I think they've got that pretty much solidified, you know, with Thuney there at left tackle. But these animals, these freaks that, that, that Philly has up front. Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, you know, sweat off one end, Nolan Smith off the, off the other, you know, Zach Bond, I mean they're just, they're incredible. They're playing at a high level. So be very, very interested to see. We always talk about the trenches, right? Can Kansas City block that front is Vic, because Vic's normally four man rush with pressure, right? Deploy seven into coverage, you know, and make you earn everything down the field. Great in the red area. Can they block this front and then vice versa. You know, Jalen hurts, you know, Spags, he's going to come in and say, hey, look 26 ain't beating our ass. Andy Reid's going to tell that Team 26 ain't getting us. So we're going to. We're going to allocate as much resources necessary to stop him. And it's going to have to come down to. Jalen hurts his arm. Jalen hurts his legs. And AJ Brown and Devontae Smith Goddard down the middle of the field. I look for a great matchup, you know, in base defense with McDuffie following A.J. brown around. And then obviously on third down, nickel situation, he goes into the slot. So there's going to be some great matchups to watch.
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Pat McAfee
Jalen Hurts said they took the straightjacket off and let him spin it a little bit. See champions. He was. Hey, yeah, he had it tied up. He was like Houdini. He got out of that thing. Yeah. I don't know how. Houdini always got out, didn't he?
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Darius Butler
Every time.
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Pat McAfee
Every time.
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Boston Connor
Harry's a dog.
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Pat McAfee
Not every time.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Chuck Pagano
What do you call. What do you call that thing he was wearing, Pat? Walking into the stadium, talking about the Kangol. He had the Kangol on, man, that thing. I wonder if I could get away with one of those.
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Pat McAfee
Yes, that is what you should be wearing every single week, actually, as the Ravens. Imagine him walking in Stoke Kangal. Oh, my God. Jumpsuit. Maybe just a sweatsuit like Adidas with three stripes on it. Oh, the Italian ness would be oozing from Coach Pagano. Yeah. Kangal on top there. Yeah.
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Chuck Pagano
Yeah. I don't know that. I don't know if I can. I may stick to that commendatory, that Leone. Commendatory, that Italian suit. I'm to break that out.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, all of them. I didn't know there was a Little Italy in Baltimore either. That makes sense. Blue collar town would have Italians.
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Chuck Pagano
Every big city, Pat, has a, you know, a Little Italy, believe it or not. And this one, I believe it. Unbelievable.
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Pat McAfee
I believe the Italians would certainly work their way in there, especially if there's water nearby. Yeah. Need to water. That's the only place you see these damn Italians. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Well, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. Speaking of Italians, a man that's going to miss you. Connor has a question for you.
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Boston Connor
Yeah. Congratulations. Congratulations again. Both of our lives got so much better because I don't have to see anymore. But what did you think about the Josh Allen Tush push and kind of the whole refs conversation on the marking of the football throughout the game because both refs at multiple times were coming in. Neither a few times. They weren't really lining up on the same exact spot. How'd you feel about that and what do you think about kind of just the dialogue around the referees in general with Kansas City? Because it's getting loud about the entire thing?
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Pat McAfee
Think.
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Chuck Pagano
Well, they certainly didn't help themselves to quiet the narrative. Con man. And I'm going to miss the hell out of you know that.
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Pat McAfee
You know I love you.
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Boston Connor
Cheers, coach.
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Chuck Pagano
I loved our bantering back and forth. I'm going to miss the hell out of you. So, yeah, the Tush put number one. You know, you got a 250 pound quarterback. I don't see how you cannot execute this play. Just look at the tape from Philly, right, and mimic. But obviously, you know, KC was on their P's and Q's. You look at all those, you know, those sneaks by Josh. He loved going over the left side right, the offensive left to the defensive right. They obviously were dialed into that. As far as this call goes, you know, the mechanics were jacked up. Con man. The mechanics were. Were jacked up. You see these two lines, like the headlines. Man is up top and then the down judge is down at the bottom, right? So they're walking in. The guy up top has the view of the football. He can see the football. The guy at the bottom coming in. Look at that right there. If you put the ball, is he screened from the ball? He's got the back numbers of Josh Allen there. He can't see it. The guy on the top of the screen, he's got a clear view of that. And so what's got to happen, mechanics wise.
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Pat McAfee
Chris Jones is standing right there. I don't know if that guy up top has a view of it short.
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Chuck Pagano
He over pat, override it. Walk in there and you see old boy down at the bottom. I've got the clear view of the ball. So you say, no, no, no, sir. So he goes like this. You know how they go like this? Can you see me?
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Pat McAfee
Yeah.
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Chuck Pagano
Move the chains. He's got to override that. And all of a sudden he bows down to the guy at the bottom for some reason. So a total breakdown in mechanics. That should have been a first down, in my opinion.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, well, I appreciate the fact that that is how you see it. I think a lot of people saw it the same way. I think, I think also it's very as, you know, as somebody who spent a lot of time with the officials and replay and everything like that you would actually be correcting us on that. That was never going to get overturned. Whatever was called on the field was going to remain the call in that particular situation. Kincaid potentially picked up the first down, the play before that, and it's the Chiefs. So, you know, obviously the refs are going to be working in the Chiefs favor, even though there's some calls probably that Chiefs fans say, well, what about this, what about this, what about this? Whatever the case, whenever you win all the time, people are going to assume that you're getting assistance because everybody's trying to win, just like the Baltimore Ravens are going to be trying to get to the top of Lombardi Mountain. Ty has one last question for you here.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Coach. I'll reiterate what everyone else has said. Congratulations. Going to miss having you around here from the last time you coached. Obviously you beat cancer, you know, you get to be around your family more. You see your grandkids grow up a little bit. Do you think your temperament, slash, you know, kind of like your outlook on life or philosophy in general has that changed? Or, like, are you still going to get after people's asses out there? Or do you think your coaching style and the way you're going to go about things is going to change considering everything that's happened to you since the last time you coached in the league?
- [27:53]
Chuck Pagano
Hey, Ty, anytime you go through, you know, circumstances and adversity and life changing, you know, moments, the minute. I never really have taken it, you know, any day for granted, any opportunity that I've had, that I've had, Ty, but walking out of that hospital, the doc coming in and say, you're in remission, you can go home, you're gonna have to spend a couple more months, whatever. Yeah. It just. It just gave me greater appreciation and greater perspective. And Pat will tell you this, you know, and D bots will tell you, aq, if I didn't said it once, I said it twice, right? We're playing and coaching a kid's game, okay? It's a privilege and not your right to play and coach in the National Football League. And every day we get, not one of these days is guaranteed. Nothing is promised. And that's why we wake up today. We got another Wednesday. Hey, let's kick the living shit out of this Wednesday. And then when we get another day, when Thursday comes, if we get it, we're lucky enough, let's have great enthusiasm for that day. Let's kick the hell out of that Thursday. Yeah. Am I gonna, you know, get after you gotta coach these guys, right? We're gonna hold guys accountable, you know, do it the right way. Build relationships, you know, build them up. Point out the thing. What did you see on this, Kyle? Hey, Marlon, what'd you see on the butts? We used to ask butts all the time, buts. What'd you see? Why did we do what we did? What was it come and then when it. When it time for, you know, as long as you build those relationships, Ty, and there's mutual respect and trust and love there, then you can. You can pull a guy in an office behind closed doors and have a. Have a healthy conversation. That could be uncomfortable, but, you know, full of, you know, forthright and. And honesty and all those kind of things. So I can't wait, Ty and you guys to. To get over there. I'm. I'm headed there on Monday and this is. I, like, I've had some other things come by, you know, and you just. They don't feel the same, right? You just knowing your gut, like. No, I don't. I don't think this is. This is the right. But this one, I mean, just. Just check. Check all. Check all the boxes, Right? Very, very grateful for this opportunity.
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Pat McAfee
All right, well, good luck. Enjoy it. And let the boys over there know we like them. Yeah, you know we like them. Keith Van Noy, obviously been on the program numerous times. Nobody really else from the Ravens. If you could help us build that relationship over there, we would appreciate it. We would appreciate it.
- [30:27]
Chuck Pagano
Done. Done.
- [30:28]
Pat McAfee
Okay, good.
- [30:29]
Chuck Pagano
Done deal.
- [30:30]
Pat McAfee
And if your secondary sucks, you're gonna hear it. Hashtag journalistic standards. We gotta do what we gotta do.
- [30:36]
Boston Connor
Coming at us.
- [30:37]
J.J. Watt
Stand on business.
- [30:38]
Pat McAfee
That's right. We gotta do what we gotta do.
- [30:39]
Chuck Pagano
Hey, accountability and honesty, right? You guys got to do your journalism. So call it like you see it. When it. Hey, we all know what bad ball looks like.
- [30:48]
Darius Butler
Oh, yeah.
- [30:49]
Chuck Pagano
Don't look right. Don't taste right. Don't smell right. It sticks out like, you know what?
- [30:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [30:54]
Chuck Pagano
So when we got bad ball going on, I expect you guys to be honest and forthright and say, hey, hey. Tighten that up, coach.
- [31:00]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, exactly. All right, we will say that. And until then, we'll say congrats. We're so happy for you. Ladies and gentlemen, the new last thing.
- [31:10]
Chuck Pagano
You know how much I love you, Pat. You know how much I love the boys. This has been, you know, a life game changer for me, being on this olive branch that you've. I know you don't like this thing, but when I said like on that reel you sent, you got me dying, laughing. You got me in tears. It was just incredible, you know, but it was my. Why? You know, my family and all kinds of things. Right? Great perspective and appreciation for what we have. But I am so grateful. And please, please have me on, you know, every now and then. No, you know, you want me to put on the waffle, you want me to do whatever, please. I still get a chance to come on from time to time. I would greatly appreciate that.
- [31:53]
Pat McAfee
But never again. Never again.
- [31:56]
Chuck Pagano
You have no idea what you've done for me, Pat. And you boys, I'll do anything for you guys. You know that.
- [32:02]
Pat McAfee
We love you, coach. We appreciate you. We've been very thankful that you chose to hang out with us for so long. You're the band. You're gonna do great. We love you, man. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Magano.
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D. Butch
Love you, coach.
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Pat McAfee
Happy for him, man. Yeah, it's awesome. Oh, yeah, I'm very happy for him. It's cool. Ms. Tina. Staying in Boise, going over Baltimore, clean this place up a little. Chuck.
- [32:22]
AQ Shipley
Jesus.
- [32:23]
Pat McAfee
Then going back there. John Harbaugh works out every single day. So does Chuck on a peloton, excited to see what they do. Wish they would have done hard knocks with Chuck in that building just so you could see him every day. Whatever he said, who can I help? How can I help? Is basically his job. How does that normally work in the secondary room?
- [32:38]
Darius Butler
D Butch, a lot of times it's two coaches. It'll be like a safety coach, corners coach maybe. I know over the last probably 10 years or so, some two teams even have like a Nichols coach, so I'm sure they'll probably separate it. So, like, different drills, different teams, different things. But it's usually split like. Like that.
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Pat McAfee
Let's stay in the family. Coach Tom McMahon will remain the special teams coordinator for the Las Vegas Raiders. Pete Carroll keeps Tom McMahon, whose son is obviously Mitt, who works here at the Thunderdome. Tom McMahon was my special teams coordinator at the Indianapolis Colts. I have a lot of love for him. He is massively successful at what he does. He's about this tall, literally small guy, little sawed off, piece of energy. That guy loves special teams, though, loves ball. They got a lot of great players over there, so I'm happy he will continue his career with the Raiders. And Matt Eberfluss, officially defense coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys.
- [33:33]
Boston Connor
Wow.
- [33:33]
Pat McAfee
Congrats to Eberfluss getting the gig. He was with the Dallas Cowboys. He was supposed to come up to the Indianapolis Colts with Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels turned the plane around. Eberfluss stays with the Indianapolis Colts as the DC didn't even have a head coach yet. Frank Reich becomes the head coach, keeps Iberfluss's DC for the Colts. Eberfluss does such a great job with that defense whenever they were, you know, good, you know, the players were great fun to have in the city, you know, accountable, those types of things. Then he goes up to Chicago, becomes a head coach up there. That goes how it goes. He goes back to Dallas now. I'm very pumped for him to get that gig. What's this mean for Zim? That means Zim is available out there.
- [34:19]
Boston Connor
Yeah, because he was on it. I forget who said. I think it was Schefter as well. He was also on a one year deal last year because of the McCarthy deal.
- [34:25]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so maybe Liam Cohen down there in. Down there in. Down there in Duvall has the opportunity to bring in Zim as the dc. The more you watch that, the more you realize his face knew he was fucking up. Both eyebrows were like, what are we doing? The one eyebrow and then later the second eyebrow comes. He goes, what are you. What are you doing? What county is Jacksonville Jaguars in? Duvall Goober Tuesday has fed into Andy Reid. Wednesday. We'll have Andy Reid in the next hour. Liam Cohen might be the next Andy Reid. You're right too.
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Ty Schmidt
Like, if we know anything about Zim, I'm sure they would get along great. That seems like a match made in heaven.
- [35:11]
Pat McAfee
What are you saying?
- [35:12]
Ty Schmidt
I'm saying Zim might beat the out of that guy in the first AOTAs. There's a chance.
- [35:16]
Pat McAfee
We don't know that.
- [35:16]
Ty Schmidt
He might spit some beach nut right in his eye and say, I'm not listening to you.
- [35:20]
Pat McAfee
Love to spit some beach nut. That dude's eyes. And a Zim boy can survive. The Zim boy can survive. There is a chance. Liam Kellen, though, gets along with people. Here's him dapping up the Jacksonville Jaguars as they were coming into the facility after he was named head coach. First Trevor Lawrence. Looks like he's recovering from surgery. Hope he's okay. Looks like he's gonna be all right. Liam Cohen says, what's up, Trev? Is my wife Ashley here? Keep her off camera. We don't like the glitz and glamour. Thanks, thanks, social media team. Then he daps up the rest of the boys there. Good clean daps. I will say with everybody, which kind of goes into, you know, he didn't say Much to Gabe Davis. Kind of skipped right over him. And Gabe Davis going to be a weapon for the Jags. I would assume Lee and Cuff and knows that. But remember, Baker likes him, offensive linemen like him, Mike Evans likes them. Seems like the guys he coaches like him, which is what we have to remember when we want to judge him immediately. Aq, you were not here for Goober Tuesday when we were talking about him being the head coach in Jacksonville. What are your thoughts on Liam Cohen?
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AQ Shipley
Seems like a big goofball. It sounds like the players like him, but it sounds like he's rubbing a lot of coaches and front office people the wrong way. So. So not sure how that's going to boat.
- [36:28]
Pat McAfee
What do you mean by that?
- [36:29]
AQ Shipley
Well, I mean, it sounds like the front office clearly is irate in Tampa.
- [36:35]
Pat McAfee
That's one place a front office at Jacksonville loves them.
- [36:38]
AQ Shipley
The biggest thing right, in the NFL is communication.
- [36:41]
Pat McAfee
Right.
- [36:41]
AQ Shipley
You have to be able to communicate. And so as a head coach, there's going to be a lot of tough conversations. Right? A lot of tough conversations. Whether you cut a guy, whether it's making a decision to promote or elevate or demote somebody. Right?
- [36:54]
Pat McAfee
Right.
- [36:54]
AQ Shipley
But you have to be able to do that. You have to answer the call, you have to make the call. You have to look the person in the eye. You have to have these things. Doesn't sound like there's a lot of that right now. So I hope, I hope it goes great for him.
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Pat McAfee
What are you talking about? What do you mean? What do you. Is this from your source?
- [37:09]
AQ Shipley
No, this is from. Yeah, kind of. But it's also kind of what we, what we read, right? Like the fact that he didn't answer a single phone call the whole next day to anybody from Tampa interview down in Jacksonville. If you just have a simple conversation about, listen, hey, I got an opportunity to be a head coach, make $14 million a year. You don't think anybody in that building is going to understand that's a life changing opportunity? Sure, man, just have the conversation, okay?
- [37:32]
Pat McAfee
Just have the convo is all he's saying. Con man.
- [37:34]
Boston Connor
Yeah, he did his entire thing about honesty. I assumed that he had the convo, just maybe not with the right people. And then the people who didn't have the convo with Liam in Tampa might have said like, hey, what the hell, man, Call me too.
- [37:45]
Pat McAfee
Ty, have you changed your thoughts on what Liam Cohen's going to be? Because we, as a collective unit said we are going to reserve judgment because we have no idea what coach is going to be good. What coach is going to be bad? There's coaches we thought were going to be absolute ass turned out to be pretty damn good. There's coaches we thought were going to be great turn out to be absolute ass. You yesterday made a decision on Liam Cohen. Do you want to take that back now?
- [38:07]
Ty Schmidt
I don't think I'm ready to do that quite yet. We'll see. You know, I could be, I could be dead wrong. And if that day comes, hey, I'll hand up because he is. He's a great offensive play caller and he's a great offensive mind. But again, you know, he's not just talking to the offensive offense. He's got the defense now. And again we mentioned it, like who is going to fill out this staff? We're very late in the game here. It seems like all of these guys who like have a bunch of experience and are great coaches. Not that there aren't great coaches everywhere in the NFL, but like who else is going to be on this guy's staff? He's a first time head coach still and he's only got five years of NFL coaching experience. And who's going to be the gm? Like there's more to, there's more than just calling plays. Like there's a lot that goes into being a head coach for from everyone we've talked to, it's like, hey, you don't realize how much shit's on your plate until you get that job. And then it's like, whoa, I have to do more than just X's and O's here. Like I'm running an entire franchise.
- [38:56]
Pat McAfee
We think Liam will be able to figure it out. We hope he will be able to. So does Shot Khan. New Orleans still doesn't have a head coach. They still don't have anybody in place, which is wild to think about. Even though they're saying Kelly Moe is the leader in the clubhouse. Offense coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles. Who will be on his staff. How will that whole thing go? We're looking up some stats. They have like negative 53 million next year even with the projected cap of being 275. And I think the amount of dead money they have for the next two years, they're number one in the entire NFL force. So that Saints gig is certainly one you're signing up for it. But maybe there'll be some more patience than there is somewhere else because everybody knows that going in. Joining us now, the greatest NFL coach of all time, the greatest NFL general manager of all Time. Currently the head coach of the North Carolina Tar Heel football team. Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Belichick. Coach. How you doing? How you doing?
- [39:43]
AJ Hawk
Good pound. How about you? How's it going?
- [39:45]
Pat McAfee
Hey, life is great. So we saw you get back into coaching this year. Pete Carroll obviously gets back into coaching. Our guy, Chuck Pagano is getting back into coaching in Baltimore. You football people can't stay away from ball. Is that. Is that kind of the lesson here?
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AJ Hawk
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much.
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Pat McAfee
How much better is your life now that you're back in with a mission, with a plan, with a program? And how is that all going here in the first few weeks? Maybe. Maybe. How long has it been now? A month? Month and a half?
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AJ Hawk
A little over a month.
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AQ Shipley
Yeah.
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AJ Hawk
I mean, look, Pat, it's great to be part of a team and, you know, to work collectively with other coaches, staff members, Mike Lombardi and the players towards the common goal is really what it's all about. And it's just. It's fun to be part of a team. Being on my own was, you know, great for a year, but I'm really happy to be part of the Carolina team.
- [40:35]
Pat McAfee
You continued to act like you were in it, though, right? Throughout the entire year, Waking up early, studying film, having projects, things like that, or did you take some time to yourself whenever you're off?
- [40:46]
AJ Hawk
Well, no, I started with you on the draft. That was a great project and had a lot of fun doing that following the draft and the players coming into the NFL and. Yeah, been involved with both college and pro football a year. It was a good learning experience for me and a good opportunity for me to see more college football, go to some games and. But not only that, but just to, you know, follow the whole rest of the league instead of one team. You know, when you. When you're with one team. The only team I focused on was my team and the team we were playing. That just changed every week. Last year was different. I was able to take a perspective, much broader view of college and pro football and look at different organizations, the way they did things, and just the way, that, you know, college of football fit together and also just see what the fan experience was like, what it's like to. To be a fan and to watch and follow football.
- [41:33]
Pat McAfee
I remember you walking out at the draft, which we're so thankful you did with us. You were fantastic on that. Absolutely crushed all year. And on the draft, and you looking with Goodell like, holy shit, this is what the draft is like, you know, because you've been in Your cocoon up there, you know, doing the draft all the time. Then you get out into the world and it's like, damn, the NFL is doing pretty good here. Now, my question for you, and I don't know how I haven't asked you this. Was there anything that you learned from any other teams this past year, whenever you're watching how they operate? Because the assumption is everybody would want to learn from you. Was there anything that you, like, saw how a building was operating and were like, damn, I wish I would have done that, or if I ever run a building, I will insert that into my process?
- [42:14]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I learned a lot this year watching a lot of teams, talking to people, but certainly a great experience. And I'm very appreciative Coach Fish for giving me the opportunity to come out to Washington and spend a little time out there with him and watch his program. But that really showed me how exciting and interesting college football is. You know, you have a lot more time to spend with the players. They develop. You see them just develop more, and they're very eager to learn and try to become NFL players. So that was a great, great experience for me. And then, you know, I was able to visit some other schools as well. You know, Coach Kelly at LSU was, you know, very hospitable as well, and, you know, got to, you know, Rutgers and Coach Giano. So, you know, I. I learned a lot from, you know, looking at some of these other programs. I didn't know where it was going to end up, but it was certainly interesting and educational at the time. I mean, Pat, you're always learning. No matter how far, how much we do and how much we think we might know or have experience with football is always changing all the time. New players, new rules, new. New things are happening. And. And the learning part of it's actually a lot of fun.
- [43:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And I think that's why the greats are great, because you continue to evolve as opposed to being stubborn and stuck in your ways. You're open to new ideas, new concepts, and obviously a new life as a college football coach. Remember, everybody thought you were going to leave UNC because you hadn't signed a contract and there was these jobs, and then you hadn't put the staff together. And we talked to Lombo and you, and it's like, right now, we're not worried about staff right now. Now we're worried about putting the front office, personnel, player personnel together. We're worried about the players that we're going to get either keep or get in here. Whenever the coaching staff comes, we'll figure that out at the time that it needs to be. Where are you on that front and where are we in the timeline right now of what you're trying to institute at North Carolina?
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AJ Hawk
Yeah, we're all set. We'll. We're full speed ahead. Yeah, pro football talk's not a good source for me, but, you know, we're where this is the last week we can be out. I can be out on the road in January and then we kind of, you know, go to, you know, a different model where the student athletes can come and visit us, but, you know, we don't see them as much on the road. So, you know, we have February to kind of work on our season program. Then we start spring ball in March through mid April. And so football season, we'll be on the field and I don't know, a little over a month. So that'll be exciting. And. And we're already in the middle of the all season program now. So, you know, guys are working hard and you know, we're still recruiting, you know, mostly 26 players, but there's still a few moving parts and in the incoming class as well.
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Pat McAfee
Are you getting down underneath the bar down there? Let those kids know you still got it.
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AJ Hawk
Well, I'm underneath the bar. I don't think I still got it, but yeah, I'm underneath the bar.
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Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. Still squatting is on board. Absolutely unbelievable. We were just talking about, you know, I just asked you about putting the staff together. We were talking about Liam Cohen, who just got the head coaching job at Jacksonville. He only has 5 years of NFL experience putting his staff together. D Bud has a question for you, Coach.
- [45:16]
Darius Butler
Yeah, Coach, I just want to ask you what are some of the challenges when it comes to putting a staff together? You got Liam Cohen, his situation being a first time head coach. I'm sure his phone is blowing up from a lot of his former stops that he's been at. And then this New Orleans driver job, which hasn't been taken yet, but when it is taken, obviously a lot of these coaches already have jobs. So what are some of the challenges when it comes to putting your staff together as a first time head coach?
- [45:41]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, well, one of the big challenges is if the coaches are under contract with another team, which I would say a lot of them are, then you know, you have to get permission and if you move them up from position coach to coordinator, then, you know, you might be able to do that. A lot of coaches that aren't on another team are from staffs who have been released and either their contract ran out or their teams are replacing them with other coaches. So they're available. And then, you know, there could be the, you know, player coaches available from, you know, college or maybe that were out of football last year, things like that. So just have to kind of take a case by case. You get a lot of recommendations when you take a job. You probably have, I don't know, two or three hundred messages in the first week from either people who want jobs or people who are recommending other people for jobs or some version of that, especially strength coaches. Everybody wants to be a strength coach. So I probably had 100 strength coach applications this year, and when I took the Patriots job, you know, many years ago. But everybody out there who trains somebody can be a strength coach. So there's no shortage of those. But it's really, it's a. It's definitely a process. And if you don't know people, then the interview process, getting to know them, you know, takes a little time. I'd say, you know, most of the people that I've talked to that have gone through this process would say it usually takes two years. That the first year, you know, a lot of your things will work out, but not all the hires will and then. Or they'll move on or that type of thing. And then. And you know, by the second year, you probably are closer to getting those staff that you want and that want to be with you. So sometimes it's probably a two year process.
- [47:28]
Pat McAfee
Your staff was a lot of familiar names and faces. I assume a lot of people do that in business, but you certainly were a guy that was known for that. The people that are going to coach for Bill are people that either had coached for Bill before or have kind of come up through your entire system. Is it because they understand the strategy, they understand the work ethic, they what. What is it about it and what was the most important thing to you when somebody would come coach for you?
- [47:53]
AJ Hawk
Just a common vision, good, fundamental teacher. You know, obviously teaching the players is what we do, but, you know, we all have different strengths and weaknesses. And I think as a head coach, you try to put that together so that you have, you know, that your strength, your staff is balanced. But really there aren't too many people on the staff that are. That have worked with me before. I mean, obviously we have a couple, but not. There are a lot of connections with some people and all that. Of course, Mike and I have worked together in the head Coach, GM model, but most of the rest of the people actually haven't worked with us before.
- [48:30]
Pat McAfee
Okay, I'm excited to see it all come together in your vision, your eyes. Let's talk about the NFL a little bit. Obviously were a little bit over a week out from the super bowl this week right here. For a team playing in the super bowl, are we trying to take care of all the bullshit? Like, what is the mindset for you whenever your team was preparing for a Super bowl in this particular Pro bowl bye week, what do you think Andy Reid and Sirianni are trying to get accomplished in this particular week?
- [48:58]
AJ Hawk
I think that on Monday and Tuesday, you know, a lot of rest and recovery. I think both teams, you know, some guys banged up, they played a lot of football, but it's really taken care of most of the logistics handling the, you know, family requests, travel rooms, tickets, so forth and so on to try to get all that settled. You know, I would think they would probably try to get all, most of that done by Thursday, where everybody has their allotment for rooms, you know, tickets and bus passes and so forth and so forth. So on, whatever you need down there, there, and then either on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, or maybe Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, depending how the coach wants to structure the week. I think, you know, three good days of practice this week are probably where you would get about 80% of your game plan in and, and practice it. And then once you get down into New Orleans or the super bowl city, you maybe save about 20% down there to add in so that you're not getting too stale, you're not repeating too many things too many times where it's, it's, you know, the eighth time you've gone over it and then you, you lose a little bit of the urgency. So maybe you save something down there like, you know, red area or, you know, a couple gadget plays or a couple blitzes or some situational football, things like that. But really, Wednesday is the best day of practice at the super bowl city. And then Thursday is, you know, is a lighter day. That's when the families come in and, you know, Friday and Saturday are just kind of, kind of wrap up days. So I'd say it's like one and a half good days on super bowl week and call it three, three really good days in the, in your home city.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so on that note, Connor has a question for you.
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Boston Connor
Yeah, Coach? When it comes to these massive games, obviously the Eagles have added a lot of new pieces and this is their first year in Philly but how much does like the experience of that big game, super bowl feel kind of matter? Because everyone on the Chiefs has basically played in the Super Bowl. Obviously the Eagles still have guys from the two sports, Super Bowls they've been to in these last, you know, five years. But how much is that kind of a factor going into this game?
- [50:59]
AJ Hawk
You know, it's, look, I don't think it's a bad thing, but the game is about how you play. It's not what you've done or haven't done or anything like that, how much money you make or who made All Pro or MVP or anything else. It's about how you play in the game. So I've always told my teams, I don't care whether you're a rookie, Whether you're a 10 year veteran, whether you're a 15 year old pro, it doesn't matter. The only that matters is how you prepare and play this week. And so, you know, we had a guy play pretty good in 01, Brady I think his name was. He had never been in a Super bowl before. We had Malcolm Mitchell who really had one good year for us. He didn't even play after his free. He played as a rookie, he played one without his him. You know, I, I don't think we would have, you know, would have won that Super Bowl. You know, he had some key catches for us. And sure you have your Brady's and Gronkowski's and Edelman's and Hightowers and, and those guys. But you know, Malcolm Butler, I mean, made one of the greatest plays in super bowl history and didn't even, you know, he was a replacement at halftime. So he didn't even start the game. So you know, things like that, I don't think you should ever, those players should ever be counted out. And I think, I think you never know which one of those guys is going to need to make a key play for you. I think if you look at Kansas City the last couple of weeks, they've had two big plays on kickoff return to start the game against the Texans, punt return last week against Buffalo. I mean, nobody's heard of the returner, nobody's heard of the guys who were on the punt return team or the kickoff return team. You know, it was a great return. It was so well executed by the Chiefs as they've been doing on special teams. Here comes Watson over from the backside double to make a key block at the point of attack. And there they go down the sideline. You know, Chanel had a big Block and the two corners did a great job of vice and Matt Collins on the line of scrimmage. You see, he was the last guy down the field. And this is one of the best cover players in the league. So it's not what you've done. It's. It's what you do this week. And that's about preparation and then ultimately, you know, execution of the game. So experience helps if you use it, but. But it certainly doesn't, you know, preclude inexperienced players from. From playing great.
- [53:07]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, some people are just waiting for that big moment to have their biggest game. And before we have our heart out, I have a question. There wasn't a lot of games that you weren't in the super bowl or a lot of years you weren't in the Super Bowl. Would you watch it? If you're the head coach, are you watching the super bowl of two other teams playing in it? And how did you treat like Senior bowl this time, as opposed to. Whenever teams are in the super bowl, they don't have. Have as much options.
- [53:29]
AJ Hawk
We'll say, yeah, well, if you're out of it, I think you get started on the, on the Senior bowl and, and some of the college, you know, some of the college players, because it. It actually comes up on you pretty quick, and you can use your time more efficiently at the combine and in the spring workout period, if you kind of, you know, have a better idea where you're going. But as you can see right now, there's a lot of turbulence in the NFL like there always is at the end of the year. Year. Good teams are losing coaches off their staff. Other teams are turning over their staff and bringing new coaches on. People are coming in and going. You know, you look two years ago when Philadelphia was in the super bowl and lost to Kansas City, then they turn around and two days after the season lose their two coordinators. And, you know, now they're kind of, you know, have to retool things. So there's quite a bit of movement at this time of year. And then also you have players coming up that you have to make decisions on, on in terms of, you know, their contract situation next year. And a lot of times it's good to, you know, if it's clear cut to, you know, do those earlier rather than later if possible. So this isn't really a downtime for the coaches. The super bowl is a great event to watch, just, you know, to see how, you know, those two great teams play under pressure. They're obviously the two best teams they're the two teams that should be there. And then, you know, you want to see how they compete against each other. But, but honestly, the, I'd say the worst part of it is for the teams that aren't there. Teams like Baltimore that, you know, had two big turnovers without really even getting hit, dropping a pass on the goal line, it would have put the game into overtime. Where Buffalo giving up a 50 yard punt return and can't make a couple of four downs. Or the Rams that, you know, give up two long runs and fumble a handoff and then on the last two plays of the game, don't block Jalen Carter quarter and have to throw the ball away. Tampa that, that fumbled a handoff and, and then fumbled another play with the wide receiver, Jet sweep, you know, whatever it was, and then fumble the ball down. Going in to score plays like that that you have to live with for six months, actually longer than that, but until you start training camp again, where you just feel like, you know, we blew the game. We just lost the game and lost it on fundamentals, on ball security, on bad tackling. Like the Rams had like a, you know, not blocking. Jalen Carter, he's lined up on a defensive line as three technique. He's the best player on the field and he gets a free run at the quarterback. Two plays in a row. On the last two plays your season, I mean, those, those are heartbreaking and, and they're gut wrenching for the team because you just have to live with them for a long period of time. And I've been there before. I mean, it's, it makes it for a long off season, but, you know, you got to bounce back. But it's tough. It's tough to watch somebody else playing like the Rams. I'm sure that they're sitting there feeling like, you know, we should have been playing in this game, but we just messed it up. And then you take a team like Detroit that had the best this year in, in their history and give up 41 points and you know you're not going to win many playoff games when you can't play defense. So I feel bad for those teams because somebody else is going to feel like that the Monday after the Super Bowl.
- [56:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, 31 teams feel that way. At the end of the year, your team was the one celebrating a lot. At the end of the year, we assume you're going to do the same down at unc. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, coach Bill Belichick.
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AQ Shipley
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Pat McAfee
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AQ Shipley
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Pat McAfee
Fun, but TaxAct can help you get them done. Taxact, let's get them over with. Football is the greatest. We're lucky we talk about it every single day. Hey. The toxic table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt, a man who's a nine year NFL vet, one of the biggest brains in ball. I assume he might be the next one that they try to poach out of this particular program to be a coach. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius J. Butler. T. Botch. Good to see you. You're battling over there.
- [58:43]
Darius Butler
Battling. We all are.
- [58:44]
Pat McAfee
We all are. We all are. We all. It hit. It hit the entire place.
- [58:47]
Ty Schmidt
Oh yeah, like an atom bomb.
- [58:49]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yesterday I took a 12 hour coma immediately after the show and I'm gonna be honest, woke up on the other side of it feeling like a billion bucks. You guys should maybe think about it. This is the first time I've done that in a long time. But my body I think just said hey, enough for a second and woke up at about 4:30am 5:30am just what happened? New man, you brand new. Brand new now. Still got a little bit of the voice because I was yelling all weekend. But life is good. How could it not be? The Pro bowl games start tomorrow night. The Royal Rumble Rumble is this weekend in Indianapolis, Indiana. And then next week we'll be down in New Orleans at Radio Row, kicking off the week that'll lead to the biggest game of them all. The Super Bowl Chiefs favored by 1 1/2 down there in New Orleans. They'll be wearing the white jerseys, which I do believe says that they have like an 80% chance of win over like the last 10 years or something like that. The team that wore the white spanx looking ones are the teams that win. But that has nothing to do with this Philadelphia Eagles team. They pound a rock, they beat people up, they're not scared to make it a physical fist fight. Now that leads to this man, 12 year NFL vet, host of in the Trenches, AQ Shipley. AQ, do you feel like a big dumb dipshit because you didn't think the Philadelphia Eagles would be able to win even though you said they have the best offensive line in the entire NFL?
- [60:09]
AQ Shipley
I don't. I stand on my. What I said. And that is that they have. Yeah, I stand. Stand on business. The fact that this Philadelphia Eagles offensive line is incredible, I really do. I think they're incredible power rankings. The quarterback still has to win it. He still has to win it. He still has to prove it.
- [60:24]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so you still, I mean, he did last week, fourth down.
- [60:29]
AQ Shipley
There's one game that matters. There's one game that matters.
- [60:31]
Pat McAfee
The NFC Championship. That was the biggest game that they had this year.
- [60:34]
AQ Shipley
This next game.
- [60:35]
Pat McAfee
Okay, now, yeah, they're all, you know why, you know what the biggest game is?
- [60:39]
Ty Schmidt
The next one.
- [60:40]
Pat McAfee
Bingo. So you just chose not to watch. Jalen hurts this past week where he was dropping dimes. Devontae Smith on the sideline with the toe tap. Sick cleats. Great cleats on it. How about the fourth down toss to AJ Brown? Needed it, needed it. You got it. No problem. The touchdown. A.J. brown threw it to a spot where only A.J. could catch it. I mean, this is a beautiful ball here. Great coverage. No problem. Let me put it in a place where only my guy can get it, scores a touchdown and he's able to rush for three touchdowns or whatever the case is. Just like Saquon rushes for three touchdowns. You were a little bit of a Jaylen Herz hater, I would say. You were a little bit of a Hater. He had his best game there in the biggest game.
- [61:18]
AQ Shipley
I can't agree with you more, but I will say maybe. Maybe I judged him and I should have been judging the straight jacket. That's what. That's what it sounds like.
- [61:26]
Pat McAfee
Okay, see, now you're. Now you're just being an ass. Now you're trying to stir up some warlock.
- [61:31]
AQ Shipley
I'm the. Just saying.
- [61:31]
Pat McAfee
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, he's a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion, a Ryder cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Haw AJ look at this guy deflecting. You know, he's doing a lot of this right now because he kind of, you know, turned his back on his own gimmick. The offensive line is what wins you games. Philadelphia Eagles got the best offensive line in the entire league. They're not going to win it all, though. How could they? They're not going to be able to do that. Well, they've gone on to win because of the offensive line impounding the rock. They're a 1990s football team in Saquon. Barkley is the most explosive player on the field, both statistically and whenever you look at him optically, the guy can take anything to the house. How are you feeling about this particular game and how much do you think it comes down to the trench warfare next Sunday?
- [62:16]
D. Butch
I mean, I think like every big game, it definitely comes down to who can dominate the O and D lines. That's something for sure that you got to look at. But Pat Mahomes, I think they're. There's something different with him. We all know that he seems to find a way. Whenever it seems like everything is against him, he just finds a way to win. He's a winner. But right there, Saquon is what makes the game different, man. Like, that's. That's the biggest reason I'm excited about this Super Bowl. I want to. I want to see Saquon go to work, see what the plan is to try to stop him. I think it's going to be a good matchup, man. I think it's going to be a fun game to watch.
- [62:45]
Pat McAfee
The run game can travel. I'm not saying that Patrick Mahomes hasn't been able to do his thing, no matter what situation you pull him in. And obviously he's already won multiple Super Bowls and he's in conversation to be the greatest of all time. He's only 29 years old. He's only 29 years old. Severely underpaid. If you start looking at the rest of the market as well. But he doesn't care because he's the perfect superstar, seemingly. We'll be talking to Andy Reid here in about 10 minutes, excited to get his take on Patrick and the team that he has this year. They can win in a assortment of ways. They've proven that not only this year, but also last year. They weren't scared to rock the ball 30 times a game last year and win it with the defense. But whenever they say the run game can travel, what does that mean? That means even if you're a little tight, even if maybe you're not clicking not as smooth, you're able to run the rock. This is something in the first half we need to watch, right? Philadelphia Eagles should be able to move the ball here pretty good.
- [63:35]
AQ Shipley
They should. But again, we've talked about this over and over again. Spags is unbelievable and he is going to take the Belichick model and that is make them win with one arm tied behind their back. So how do you do that? You stop Saquon, you load the box, you do all these things. So then what becomes the most important is the receivers. It's the pass game and see if. Exactly what I've been saying. Can Jalen beat you?
- [63:53]
Pat McAfee
Well, how come everybody doesn't do it? What everybody's doing. I saw it on get up last week. They said they need to load the box against the Philadelphia Eagles. Doesn't everybody try to load the box against the Philadelphia?
- [64:03]
AQ Shipley
No, because they have enough skill on the outside. It's the most expensive offense in the National Football League. They have guys everywhere. They have paid their quarterback, they've paid their receivers, they've paid their tight end, they've paid guys on the offensive line. Obviously the running back has paid. They got guys everywhere. It's not like you can just sit there and take away Saquon and oh, by the way, A.J. brown, Goddard and Devonte are gone. They're there. They are there. They are all there.
- [64:24]
Darius Butler
I mean, they have some teams have loaded the box and there have been situations where it's been four minutes, they're trying to put the game eight, nine people in the box. Saquon still hit 60, 70, 80 yards.
- [64:34]
D. Butch
Breaks that first line.
- [64:36]
Darius Butler
Yeah, once he breaks that first line and he's out running angles, this play, just start the damn game. But yeah, it sounds good on paper. It sounds good throughout the week. Like, yeah, let's put eight in the box, let's do this, let's do that. But when you have an offensive line like they do in Philly and then you have a game breaker like Saquon. It is super, super tough. It didn't hurts. He looked healthy in the NFC championship game. So I expect him to look even better in the super bowl when he's back there in gun. And you got to respect him as a runner too. You're playing 11 on 11 as a defense. That's tough.
- [65:05]
Boston Connor
Well, and even the last super bowl like the team was built pretty similar. Obviously Miles Sanders isn't Saquon Barkley. He is much, much better, the best in the NFL. But Jalen still threw for 300 yards the last super bowl against the Chiefs. So it's not like he can't do it. It's just going to be one of those games where I mean, AJ Brought it up right away. Like if Saquon rushes for, you know, 150 yards and two touchdowns, can be hard to imagine that the Chiefs win that game. If Saquon is doing that, the Chiefs.
- [65:31]
Pat McAfee
That will get outrushed, they'll get out gained, they'll get outwitted, they'll get out outplayed even and they'll still win the game. They have a special it factor about them that doesn't come around often. You know, that is why we're talking about the greatest dynasty in the history of sports. If they win three straight. We thought the Patriots are going to be the greatest dynasty in professional sports for all time. How do you have a 20 plus year run of success in a league that is built off of parity? If your team stinks, we're going to give you a better draft. It's literally salary cap. It's set up so teams can always have a chance. But then you start looking at the stats, it's like, well, for 20 some years it was a Patriots league and now it feels like it's Kansas City Chiefs league. If they win three straight. Greatest dynasty of all time, AJ Are you going to crown them?
- [66:11]
Darius Butler
Crown them?
- [66:13]
D. Butch
I mean, I'd have a tough time not crowning them. I really would.
- [66:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not easy obviously to win one, win two, then win three. You have to get lucky. I think injury wise, but also strategy wise, you are the target. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have been the target for the better half of the last decade and they still show up and play their best ball in the biggest moments, AFC championship. They look like the team that we all, you know, kind of hope for them to look like. Will they be able to do it again in New Orleans, A.J.
- [66:40]
D. Butch
I think as Bill Belichick said on this program, I believe last week, like your secondary has to tackle very, very well. And that's when, when Saquon gets rolling, you, you see like you can't let these 6, 7 yard runs turn in, do 20, 25, 30 yard runs or a 3 yard run turn into a 9 yard run like you have to do. It's like those little things throughout the game, I think and I think secondary coming down and making sure tackles and like the whole. That's why Spags, you know, like as AQ said, Spags is unbelievable what he does. And they're very disciplined defense. You got to be disciplined and you got to find a way to get this dude to the ground because he's awesome.
- [67:14]
Pat McAfee
Okay, let's talk about Spags's defense. And I know this was supposed to be part of everything. Db, good D, bad D. But it's a massive piece of conversation on the Internet and Dan Orlovsky referenced it yesterday saying that people are saying Josh Allen should have switched the protection on that fourth down and everything like that in a two second period. Those people have no idea what they're talking about is what Dan Orlovsky said. Instead, the real conversation is what Kiko back to the beginning of that play. Instead the real conversation about this play is what AQ Shipley.
- [67:42]
AQ Shipley
Yeah. So the biggest thing that you see here is you see the condensed split up top pop right, the running back, who is the fifth receiver. It's a condensed split, which means he's 2 to 3 yards just outside the tackle. So this would have been a will free safety blitz if that receiver.
- [67:56]
Pat McAfee
What's that mean?
- [67:57]
AQ Shipley
Okay, so what that means is if you look over the right guard, you'll see Justin Reed. He is they is the will as the offense sees that he's the will defender. Correct. And then the free safety is the guy back to him. So as you see that he's directly behind him, that would be will free safety. But if that receiver is further out to the sideline now that free safety comes down because you're not going to blitz him from 15 yards back. So he would now be at 5 yards, which then would make the center declare the will Justin Reed over the guard as the mic linebacker and turn the line that way. And then you would much, much better be able to pick up this. You still have a guy running, running free, but it would be the widest guy and not two guys up the B gap.
- [68:40]
Pat McAfee
But instead because he's tight, what happens.
- [68:43]
AQ Shipley
It turns into a corner cat blitz. Automatically will free safety with a condensed split turns into corner cat. And then the fact that Spencer Brown and the Bills do not sift away from the way the center does. You get two free rushes right up the beacon.
- [68:56]
Pat McAfee
So this is maybe a play design flaw as opposed to a quarterback check.
- [69:02]
AQ Shipley
Protection flawless flaw specifically against Spags specific because this is what he loves to do in nut cutting time. Go back to last year's super bowl. The play that I think McDuffie tips.
- [69:13]
Pat McAfee
The ball from Brock.
- [69:14]
Darius Butler
It's the same exact two minute mark to the same. Same exact point in the game too.
- [69:18]
AQ Shipley
What he loves to do.
- [69:19]
Pat McAfee
So if it's a tight split, corner will come instead of the safety coming. If they're split out wide, safety will come down. Safety will come instead. Safety swaps with corner once corner blitzes. Now your job is running back. Back whose wide receiver safety as corner comes on.
- [69:33]
Darius Butler
Yeah, so like AQ, AQ's seen it, I guess from the offensive standpoint. I think from a defensive standpoint, especially with Spags, I think it's called a cat blitz, especially with with McDuffie. So he's calling this. And once Joe Brady brings out this tight formation, it just helps us because if we are split wide like AQ said or if it's two receivers, then that's when we switch it and give that blitz to the safety. But there are indicators here, if you go back to the beginning that a blitz to come, you can only send a corner blitz typically if you have a split safety look, because that safety has to get over top of that number one wide receiver. The other part of it is that's Ty Johnson. That's a running back, not a, you know, a badass at receiver. So we're not worried about blitzing our best cover guy and leaving him one on one in space in fourth and five. And then Shakira being at the snap of the ball three or four yards behind Josh Allen. So a lot of people are saying just swing it out to him. If you swing this ball out to him, you have to flip your hips and actually make that throw. And then you got three or four guys rallying to make this tackle probably before that fourth down marker. So I think the formation, the play call it played right into Spags's hand. Because if you like, this is what Spags wants to do. He wants to get his DBs involved in the blitz. He loves sending athletes after the quarterbacks, especially in critical moments of the game.
- [70:46]
Pat McAfee
Hall of Fame coaches across the board for Kansas City. I'm not saying that's not the case for Philadelphia. We will see. Fangio certainly going to be in conversation. Sirianni, Without a doubt. The way his career has started. Without a doubt. Kelly. Mo. Maybe Kellen Moore has a chance to get in the combo. We'll see how it goes if he ends up going to New Orleans.
- [71:04]
Boston Connor
Stalin.
- [71:05]
Pat McAfee
Stalin, the offensive line coach, obviously. Yes, agreed. He's a Hall of Famer, but if you look at the Kansas City Chiefs, special teams coordinator, hall of Famer to defense coordinator, Spacs, hall of Fame Famer, Andy Reid, hall of Famer, that helps. H. That helps. Especially in those massive, massive moments of an AFC championship game age.
- [71:24]
D. Butch
Well, have you just listened to the Chiefs players talk about Andy Reid? He's so, like, humble about it when he. He, like, redirects it. But listen to the defensive players talk about Spags and, like, watch their interactions with Spags. It's like Spags is the man, he is the leader. They listen to him, but it's like. Seems very collaborative as well to where he actually listen to them and listen to them in the game too, and, and adjust off of what they're seeing out there.
- [71:47]
Pat McAfee
What was that last year? He said, normally you have, like, two guys that are, like, coaches on the field on defense, you know, that you can kind of throw anything out. He said all 11 guys are coaches on the field. For me, that's very abnormal, and we certainly take advantage of it. Feels like it's the same thing this year with that defensive squad. Yeah.
- [72:03]
Ty Schmidt
And like, to Bill's point earlier, about, like, the players and everything, like, how much experience matters. Like, I, I would just, you know, as a fan think, like, the coaching is where that really matters because, like, guys like Andy Reid, like, he's not going to shrivel up and pucker up and get all nervous in certain situations. Same with Spags. Like some of these younger coaches who are getting in their first super bowl. Like, we always talk about, like, well, maybe the moment just got too big for him. Or even a guy like Sean McDermott who has been there time and time again but hasn't been able to get over the hump. Joe Brady, he's a super young guy. Like, you don't see Andy Reid or Spags, like, they're not making those. We're never talking a Monday after a game. Like, well, the moment was too big for Andy Reid. You know, he kind of just. He shriveled up.
- [72:43]
Pat McAfee
He.
- [72:43]
AQ Shipley
He.
- [72:43]
Ty Schmidt
He made the wrong call. Like, it seems like he's been there enough times and so is Spags. Those Guys always make the right decisions in the biggest moment.
- [72:50]
Pat McAfee
When Spag saw that tight split, you.
- [72:52]
Darius Butler
Play all right, so.
- [72:53]
Pat McAfee
And they're sitting on a sideline just going, yep, trying to be quiet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody play cool, play cool, play cool. Please, please. Yeah, I mean that is. And it's all happening within spur of the moment.
- [73:05]
Darius Butler
The play before they brought seven, they sent six or seven to play before in the third and 10, I think they picked up five yard on a quick screen. But you, you come out a tight split because you think about if you're playing Madden, if you go empty, you go five wide and you trying to send a blitz, you're trying to. It's hard for you to disguise that as a defense, but once things get tighter, it's easier for us to disguise and communicate. Switch responsibilities when the offenses are tighter.
- [73:28]
Pat McAfee
We hate to play call.
- [73:30]
Darius Butler
I hate, I hate to play call for, you know, for Buffalo, for defense. I love.
- [73:35]
Pat McAfee
You hate play call.
- [73:35]
AQ Shipley
So the biggest thing when you play Spags, you know he likes to pressure and you. And you know he loves to bring zero. That was literally our entire game plan when we went against them in the Super Bowl. It's like he's going to bring pressure, he's going to bring seven, he's going to bring zero. So we have to have an answer. So hey, how, how many times are we going to need to call Gronk back into protection? How many times are we going to have to have a back in protection? So by going empty in that moment and nut cutting time. No one, he's going to bring something and the O line has them all and you only got five and they're going to bring something, some type of zone pressure, some type of zero, some type of something. You got to have an extra guy.
- [74:06]
Pat McAfee
I love that he's so aggressive, especially in the biggest moments. That's why he is going to go down as a goat. There's a lot of them over there in Kansas City. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a four time super bowl champ. Three as a head coach for the Kansas City Chiefs, one as an assistant coach for the Green Bay Packers. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, Andy Reid.
- [74:28]
Andy Reid
All right, guys, how you doing?
- [74:30]
Pat McAfee
Amazing. Thank you for taking time out of your life and joining us. We are obviously massive fans and we know you got a lot going on, so thank you, thank you, thank you. Let's get right into it. We were just talking there about that fourth day downplay where Spags brought the corner blitz off the tight Split. How nice is it to know that Spags is your defensive coordinator? And what are the conversations between you and he, strategy wise, going into each game?
- [74:54]
Andy Reid
Yeah, so Spags and I have been around each other for 40 years. People probably don't know that, but all the way back to when we were college coaches. And so I kind of know exactly what he's thinking at what time of the game, and I have full trust in him. And whatever he likes in those situations, he dials up and goes, I'm not a restrictor on that.
- [75:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I love that. And then your special teams coordinator, Tobe, he's a Hall of Famer as well. You guys have gotten massive special teams plays in seemingly every game you've had over this recent dynastic run. You're on. How have you been able to piece together this staff and then keep them? You know, Spag just interviewed, I think, for Jacksonville and for the Jackson Jets. Tobe, I assume, has gotten interviews as well, but you three are a master class at very important spots. What are your thoughts on Tobe and your special teams?
- [75:44]
Andy Reid
Yeah, I think the world of Tob, he's another one I've been around with for 40 years. He and Spags actually went to Springfield together and played, and then Tobe transferred to utep and I was the coach at utep, so we're all kind of intertwined there somewhere, and. And we know each what each other's thinking, and we're able to just kind of move on with it.
- [76:08]
Pat McAfee
You know, it has to be great to do it alongside people that you've known for so long. It's been fun to watch your team do their thing. Last year, the big conversation about your team was they're winning in a different way. You know, they're handing the ball off, they're playing good defense. This year, you guys continue to have the best record in football. And they said, this team stinks. They're not playing good at all. They're not doing this. What do you think it is about your team and why you are able to win in such a variety of ways? Coach?
- [76:33]
Andy Reid
Well, Shipley told me I needed to run the ball some more, so.
- [76:38]
Pat McAfee
Start.
- [76:39]
Andy Reid
Acting like an old lineman and run the ball.
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AQ Shipley
You're an O line guy at heart. Yeah, that's right.
- [76:43]
Andy Reid
That's right. So, but listen, we had a few injuries at the wide receiver spot. We're bringing guys in, so it sure helped to have that run game available. And. And the linemen do love doing it, and they do it well.
- [77:00]
Pat McAfee
Coach, whenever you think About Patrick, obviously we just talk about his greatness and how he has this clutch gene and everything like that. What do you think gets left out of the conversation about Patrick? Is it how good of a teammate he is? His work ethic? What do you think doesn't get mentioned enough about the guy who's trying to win another super bowl and he's only 29.
- [77:20]
Andy Reid
Yeah, well, you know the kid. And so he, he's a great kid. He grew up in a locker room. He's humble. What a phenomenal teammate. He's always complimenting his guys. He kind of knows when to pull on him and when to back off and compliment. He's just got a good way about him. And he's smart on top of all that and is a very hard worker.
- [77:40]
Pat McAfee
Do you still draw up random ass plays? You know, like, even at this stage of the season, are we still drawing up ridiculous plays to maybe drop them into the Super Bowl?
- [77:51]
Andy Reid
That's the fun part. So I've got these coaches here that have creative minds and they, they love doing it. We get the players involved too. I'm not matter if it's a lineman or a quarterback, whoever. If they've got something good, let's put it out on the table and see what you got. And I've got 51% of the vote, but I still, I'm. I'm open minded with it.
- [78:12]
Pat McAfee
What was it? Chili dog? Corn dog? Hot dog?
- [78:15]
Ty Schmidt
Corn dog?
- [78:15]
Pat McAfee
Corn dog, Corn dog. Whatever it was. Feels like the names of these plays are also letting. Legendary WASP from a couple years ago, we've obviously learned about. Can't wait to see what you drop for New Orleans. Go ahead, A.J.
- [78:26]
D. Butch
Coach, can you talk a little bit about Chris Jones? Watching the guy play, it's a lot of fun. We see how emotional he gets after big wins. And it seems like this dude really cares about the team and wants to win. Can you say, like, what does that mean for your defense? Obviously, he's such a physical force. I know speaking to other linemen around the league, they obviously hate playing you guys because blocking. This guy is a, a disaster. But what does he mean to that defense?
- [78:48]
Andy Reid
Now listen, you and that guy next to you over there, you guys would love to have him in front of you. He's one of those kind of guys that just goes. And he's got that pass rush ability. He's a bigger human being than I think people think. He's a. He's a big old kid and loves to play. He's really developed into a leader over the years he was a kind of a. A goofball when he was younger, but he's really. He's turned it into being a real positive leader out there, and I appreciate that part. So he's an all pro player. You see him play every Sunday. And that's what, that's what he is.
- [79:27]
Pat McAfee
He's. He cries national anthem. He cries whenever a big play is made. He cries whenever you guys are going to the Super Bowl. It's like, I love how emotionally invested method he is in your program and your team. Does that make you feel good that your biggest players are that bought into your program and everything like that when you see stuff like that?
- [79:48]
Andy Reid
Yeah, listen, that's real too. I mean, he gets fired up for it and I'm good with it. He can cry all he wants to cry.
- [79:57]
Chuck Pagano
I love the kid.
- [79:58]
Andy Reid
And he can. Whatever. He doesn't. He's not crying when he's sacking the quarterback.
- [80:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, everybody else is crying. Yeah. Especially about the refs. Hey, have you heard that conversation? You know, you and the refs are meeting like, what, tonight for the Super Bowl? Is that what's happening?
- [80:14]
Andy Reid
Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, listen, I try not to pay attention to any of that stuff, so.
- [80:19]
Pat McAfee
It's loud, Coach. It's loud. It's stupid. This happens whenever you win, though. It happened for the Patriots for 20 plus years. Let's talk about another veteran on your team. AQ has a question for you. Coach.
- [80:28]
AQ Shipley
Coach, congrats on going to another Super Bowl. Let's talk a little bit about Joe Tuney, obviously going to his sixth super bowl on two different teams. But can you just talk a little bit about what he means to that team and the character that it shows he has, being able to move from basically a Hall of Fame type guard out to tackle?
- [80:44]
Andy Reid
Yeah. You know that. That's a tough deal, man. It's a lonely area out there at the tackle spot. There's normally the other two spots. You're, you're. You've got friends on both sides out there. You don't. And it can be a short corner at time if the tight end's not next to you. So it's. You've got to, you know, you gotta be wired right for that thing and have enough athletic ability to, to play it. And he's got all of that.
- [81:10]
Pat McAfee
How's that conversation go? He says, I'll go out to tackle if we need it. Do you ask him how do we make that decision?
- [81:17]
Andy Reid
Yeah, we. He's willing to do anything. I mean, that's how, again, that's how he's wired. He's just. He does. He says, whatever. Where, wherever you need me, whatever you need done, I'm good to go. He's been an all pro center, he's been an all pro guard, and he probably would be an all pro tackle if he was out there long enough.
- [81:37]
Pat McAfee
Now he might be a Super bowl champion tackle. What a career he's piecing together. Got a tough defense coming up. Go ahead, D. Buch.
- [81:43]
Darius Butler
Yeah, Coach. We were talking about your defense and spags and on the other side, Vic Fangio, he's kind of turned this Philadelphia defense around. What's the biggest challenge facing this Eagles defense in the Super Bowl? Couple weeks.
- [81:54]
Andy Reid
Yeah, man, that guy. I can't get rid of that guy. He's everywhere and he's tough. He is a. He's got a great scheme and that defense plays their heart out. That's a tremendous defense. Offense too. But that defense, you're asking me about the defense and Vic is as good as anybody in this league, man. He. Everywhere he goes, he puts together these defenses that are tough.
- [82:18]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And when they ran his ass out of Miami, they thought it was Vic Fangy over. Instead, he goes to Philadelphia and they're flying around. Let's talk about one of the goats. Go ahead, Ty.
- [82:28]
Darius Butler
Yeah, Coach.
- [82:29]
Ty Schmidt
Throughout the last couple years, it seems like when it comes to Travis Kelce, people are saying, oh, you know, maybe this guy's lost a step or two, his production isn't quite the same. And then the playoffs roll around and he turns back the clock and he looks like, you know, prime time. Travis Kelce, what is about him that makes it, you know, when the playoffs come around, you know that he's going to produce, he's going to have 100 yard games, and in the biggest moments, he's always going to be there and come up big for you guys.
- [82:53]
Andy Reid
Yeah, listen, he's a great player and he's got guys around him now. We're a little bit healthier. And so all the, all these defensive coordinators, their whole focus isn't on just Trav and stopping Trav. And so it frees him up a little bit. He hasn't changed anything from before. I mean, he can still do all the same things, but he's got a couple guys on. Then you go a different direction and have to work another area. But he's. He's still really a good football player. Keeps himself in great shape, never wants to miss a rep in practice, hates coming out of the game. I mean, Absolutely hates coming out of the game and so I love that part of him. He's one of our team captains, been voted that for the last how many ever years here and just does a good all around job there.
- [83:40]
Pat McAfee
He told us that he's feeling 22, you know, jamming Taylor a little bit. Another guy.
- [83:49]
Andy Reid
I got you.
- [83:50]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you get it. Yeah, you get it. Another guy who's actually 22, I think Xavier worthy. How first of all, whenever you guys draft him, trade up with the Bills to draft him, do you think to yourself how come everybody lets us get the fastest guys all the time? And whenever you get him on your team, does your brain just immediately start cooking up ways to get him the rock?
- [84:13]
Andy Reid
Yeah, I mean Matt Nagy does a good job with that. He, he puts him in a lot of different positions where he can, he can operate and the kid is willing to do it. I would tell you that having Hollywood here has really helped that part. I mean, Hollywood wants to play every down, he wants to play every spot. He's a smaller guy so he, you know, he fits in there and kind of the same body type. And likewise with desean Jackson. I was lucky to have desean and we put him everywhere and he was an every down guy and that's a, that's what Worthy wants to be and he's, he's willing to work at it.
- [84:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And your work with Tyreek obviously is well documented. I mean the fastest guys in the league always find their way to an Andy Reid offense and it seems like it's cheating, but it's seemingly also works. We asked coach Belichick about the advantages of having an a Super bowl experienced team for you. Do you think there is any advantages to your team understanding what this next week and a half is going to look like for you guys?
- [85:18]
Andy Reid
Well, it does help. We're playing another super bowl tested team. So it's. They, they were there one of the times that we were there and, and listen and that I, I think in this case maybe it doesn't, it doesn't really matter, but it's going to be two good football teams playing each other. It's great for the National Football League and most of all for the fans out there. So. And they'll give you guys something to talk about, hopefully in a good way. Right.
- [85:47]
Pat McAfee
We need that. Coach, we've been talking about your team a lot with how great they are and we can't thank you enough for stopping by for a quick trip in, a quick break in the itinerary. Safe travels. Down to New Orleans and good luck to your team.
- [85:59]
Andy Reid
All right, listen, I appreciate it. You guys are doing a nice job, man. Great job.
- [86:03]
Pat McAfee
Hey, we're trying. We appreciate you too. You guys are doing a great job. Yeah, phenomenal.
- [86:07]
Andy Reid
Appreciate you, Pat McAfee. Doug. Got it.
- [86:09]
Pat McAfee
Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Andy Reid.
- [86:11]
Boston Connor
We appreciate you, coach.
- [86:13]
Pat McAfee
That was awesome. So he had. There's no time in his schedule for today? No, no, no. I sent a text over. Hey, is there any chance Coach Reed could stop by in the next few days? It's a lot. We can make 10 minutes today, though, if you give. If you can promise us 10 minutes. I'm like, definitely would love for him to stop by. So we seen a rapid fire there. Vandy Reid, he's close to the vest with everything, obviously close to the vest with everything. But Xavier Worthy there falling to his team and then them trading with the Buffalo Bills. Obviously you got immediately reacted as soon as it happens on draft night. But it's like, how come the fastest humans in the NFL always find their way to the Andy Reid offense? And then Nagy, he's giving credit to which I respect and appreciate. Congrats to Nagy doing his thing. It's like they utilize it too. They use every single piece of grass on the field and they really put defenses in terrible positions.
- [87:05]
AQ Shipley
He is such a smart coach and I think what you played for him. I played for him for two years and that was kind of cool that he remembered because it was a very brief time in my career and the fact that he even remembered my name was actually kind of cool. But at the end of the day, whenever.
- [87:19]
Pat McAfee
Wow.
- [87:22]
AQ Shipley
I mean, I literally was on the practice squad there. Like, I didn't. He didn't have to do remember me whatsoever. But getting back to playing for him, the one thing that I remember about him was he. We talk about the run game and like, he does not look at just handoffs and pitches to the running back as the run game. He looks at those swing passes out in front. He looks at getting the ball to the perimeter. Those are all extensions of the run game. He is not big on. Hey, let's give this guy 25, 30 carry. That's not the way he sees this. It's how many guy. How many times can we get our guys the ball out in space? Even if it's just perimeter throws or whatever, it might be behind the line of scrimmage, it might be on the line of scrimmage, but he looks at all of those as extensions of the run game.
- [88:02]
Pat McAfee
Super duper. Accountable guy, right. Like that's his thing. Yeah.
- [88:05]
AQ Shipley
And listen like if you even watch the the last couple plays, yes, super accountable. But he also coaches his guys so hard and they're always prepared for the moments. Like if you look at that play where it was the fullback or the fullback and they run the roll out and they get the first down late in the game, they run to the line of scrimmage, they get out of the line of scrimmage, they're hide Demar Hamlin gets lost in the sauce, right. And then you get a wide open guy when they run the little mesh route to win it to a p rine right. He comes across, you get the three receivers going this way and they get picked. So many guys miss that pick. They miss the pick. But everybody is so well coached. They do their job and it doesn't.
- [88:40]
Darius Butler
Matter when you trust them, trust that guy in that moment. And you talked about even like worthy and the extension of the run game like their past game was. Even with Worthy he didn't have a ton of downfield catches this year. Hollywood didn't. He was obviously wasn't healthy. But a lot of their past game is horizontal crosser is his pick. G getting the ball in these guys hands and then getting in the third and manageable converting third downs and taking care of the football. That's kind of the theme of both of these football teams going into the Super Bowl. Taking care of the football and taking it away. On the defensive side.
- [89:11]
Pat McAfee
Chiefs are favored by one and a half. Let's head over to hammer Todd for some more gambling news on the big game next Sunday. Yes, they are favored by 1 1/2 across the board. All books have it at that.
- [89:22]
AQ Shipley
They the total is 49 and a half out as you would predict. The the public is hammering the over.
- [89:28]
Pat McAfee
Of 49 and a half. 75% of the public is on the.
- [89:31]
AQ Shipley
Over 80% so far is on the Eagles. Early, early betting.
- [89:37]
Pat McAfee
80%. This is very early.
- [89:39]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, very early. I mean as you get into the second week and those huge million 2 million 3, all those million dollar bets come in that'll change a lot. Some of the player prop stuff that.
- [89:48]
Pat McAfee
I was looking at. Dallas Goddard right now is the most.
- [89:51]
AQ Shipley
Bet on player Propa his over 50 and a half I believe receiving yards. The Chiefs are 32nd in giving up yards to tight end.
- [89:59]
Pat McAfee
So I believe that's that stat has leaked out there. So that's probably why there's a lot of potential on Goddard right now.
- [90:05]
AQ Shipley
The other interesting one is saquon that man right there. I think his over under is 112ish.
- [90:10]
Pat McAfee
Somewhere around there.
- [90:11]
AQ Shipley
Different books.
- [90:12]
Pat McAfee
That's in the Super Bowl.
- [90:13]
AQ Shipley
That's crazy. And the. The thing is the Chiefs do not this, this playoff.
- [90:17]
Pat McAfee
The super bowl run that they've been.
- [90:18]
AQ Shipley
On for the last few years, this dynasty that they've been on, they do not give up 100 yard rushers. That hasn't happened in years and years and years. So that is something to watch. And there's just more and more trick. Oh, a fun one.
- [90:30]
Pat McAfee
Kicker Eagles. Why Can I think of his name?
- [90:33]
AQ Shipley
Jake Elliott. His total is set at six and.
- [90:36]
Pat McAfee
A half points over.
- [90:38]
AQ Shipley
Under. He's gone over that in seven straight games.
- [90:41]
Pat McAfee
So that was just something else that we were looking at at going forward. Okay. And I believe a just looked up another stat to kind of piggyback off what you said about Spags's defenses.
- [90:51]
AQ Shipley
Since 2019, they have not allowed a hundred yard rusher in the playoffs.
- [90:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah. That's a long time ago. That's six years ago.
- [91:00]
AQ Shipley
Six AFC championships.
- [91:02]
Pat McAfee
They face Saquon Barkley. Yeah, well, he was. He was on the Giants. So he wasn't in playoffs. No.
- [91:07]
Boston Connor
Did. Did face Derek Henry though.
- [91:09]
Pat McAfee
When Derrick Henry was doing it. That was. That was back when it all started.
- [91:13]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [91:13]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. That was when this whole thing started when he was with the Titans. Then Tannehill would get 100 mil and Derek would get 50 mil and then now they would fire Vrabel and Derek Henry would go Baltimore Ravens where Chuck Pagano is A.J. how about that? Chuck going back to work in there.
- [91:29]
D. Butch
I mean, I'm not surprised. I mean you guys talked about when he. When he was on earlier. Yeah. The fact that Ch Chuck is going back, it does seem like the perfect fit for him. And you, you joked with him. You said, man, you're glowing, Chuck. But like he was. He legit looked like this dude like seemed very, very excited to get back out there and start coaching people up. And I know Ty asked him about like perspective. He's still going to get on them and jump dudes. Like, I think Chuck is still going to have plenty of fire in his coach.
- [91:54]
Pat McAfee
First day back after he beat leukemia. Okay. Punt period. First period. I think I've told this story before. He's bald. Okay. Just came out of chemo and everything like that. I hit some shank, maybe something happened. And he looks at me and goes, let's fucking go. And I'm like, aren't we just happy to be alive right now? You know Aren't we just happy to be alive? We got a game to win, you know, we got a game to win. Loves ball, loves coaching, loves making people better. Which I think is why he's so, you know, joyful, because he has that mission yet again. You know, Bill Belichick has come on here every single week and there's been numerous weeks where Bill is clearly not thrilled that he is joining us. You know, like he is. He is certainly mines potentially in other places. Then whenever he gets that North Carolina job that next time he was on, it was like he was literally floating above. He was like, I'm back into having a reason almost and a why. And I'm excited for all of them. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a future, future first ballot hall of Famer. He's a member of the Bull ring of honor down there in Houston for the Texans. Ladies and gentlemen, the owner of the Burnley soccer squad. Raise the Clarence. J.J. wall. Raise them.
- [93:07]
J.J. Watt
Good afternoon.
- [93:09]
Pat McAfee
Raise them up. Up the Clarence. Course. Up them. How we doing? How are the Clarence doing? Have they been upped? Are we upping the shit out of these Claret?
- [93:20]
J.J. Watt
Oh, we're just setting club records for shutouts. Seven in a row. Only giving up nine goals in 26 matches. So no big deal.
- [93:28]
Pat McAfee
Hold on. This is the. If he doesn't let up a goal the rest of the year, you have to go play for the Bengals guy.
- [93:33]
J.J. Watt
Yeah, yeah. Starting literally to get a little more concerned about it here as we go because Leeds was the number. Leeds was top of the table. It was a great matchup between two teams at the top of the table. Table. They didn't put one past him. And we don't have anybody at the top of the table coming up. So it's. It's getting a little dicey here. We've only given up 9 and 26. The ratios are starting to get a little wild.
- [93:58]
Pat McAfee
Wow, that's crazy in soccer to only give up nine goals in 26 games. Yeah, that is crazy. Isn't it crazy?
- [94:04]
Boston Connor
Cagey.
- [94:05]
Pat McAfee
That is a lot of cage.
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J.J. Watt
Literally a record in English football history. Tied for the record. So there's 28 games? Yeah.
- [94:11]
Pat McAfee
Really? Yeah, it's a record.
- [94:14]
J.J. Watt
So we're doing pretty.
- [94:19]
Pat McAfee
Why are you saying it's getting dicey? Don't you want to go play for the Bengals? It's a beautiful city over there. Beautiful team, outgoing.
- [94:24]
J.J. Watt
I just, I don't want to. I don't want to tackle. I don't want to be hit anymore. I don't want to wake up at 5am to go do a field goal block meeting. I really, really have no interest in those.
- [94:36]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [94:37]
J.J. Watt
Don't want to stay after for the PA meetings. And you know, I just really enjoy setting my own schedule and doing what I like to do and generally don't love all those things and having a guy count my reps as I do pull ups in the weight room, you know.
- [94:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So you just want to play Pro bowl football. Sounds like you just want to play Pro bowl football. You know, we don't want to tackle. We don't want to be held accountable. We don't want to do any of that. I obviously had a chance to play in a Pro bowl game with you late in the fourth, fourth quarter. I was trying to get you back on the field with Andrew and with many the Pouncees. I believe I was trying to get back on the field because if we were to win, that'd be a $40,000 difference for me. And although you didn't care, I certainly did. And I think you took the Pro bowl very seriously. You were the player MVP in 2015, I do believe, of the Pro bowl. And obviously for the last 10 years, 15 years, the Pro bowl has certainly become something that not a lot of football people were proud of. Now, can't blame the players for not wanting to get injured. Can't blame the players for what it has become. And obviously the NFL isn't the only league that's trying to figure out their All Star game. But yesterday, whenever Drake May gets announced as a Pro Bowler after winning two games. Two games. And obviously I think Drake would even say he didn't plan on becoming a Pro Bowler. You put out a tweet that said, you know what, let's just start calling it the Participation bowl instead of the Pro Bowl. This used to mean something. I heard it actually in his voice say, this used to. Used to be special. This used to be something awesome. What are your expanded thoughts on the Pro bowl and is it savable? I don't think it is. I don't think there's any right answer.
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J.J. Watt
J. I think it's okay to just admit that something has run its course. I think there was obviously a time where it held a serious level of prestige and honor and guys went and thoroughly enjoyed it and played and put in some great effort. I mean, obviously the Sean Taylor clip comes to mind. But I think over the years, the way the business has grown and the way that the, the risk level has gone through the roof for if you're a guy in A contract year or if you were God forbid to get hurt in that Pro bowl, what it means for your next season, what it means for your career for these teams. It just does not make sense. It just is what it is. So understandably that's why they've gone to this whatever flag. You know playing capture the flag format which is you know, fine well and good flag football.
- [96:56]
Pat McAfee
It's in the Olympics place, I'll have you know.
- [97:01]
J.J. Watt
Okay. But anyways we drawn to whatever this is. So like I get it.
- [97:07]
Pat McAfee
Like it's just. But. But do not.
- [97:10]
J.J. Watt
We can't, we can't be calling guys Pro Bowlers. We can't be saying this is a Pro bowl, this is a Pro bowl line. This is a Pro bowl tight end. Like he's got three Pro Bowls. Like if you're. I just the voting process from the beginning we should discuss. But that's its own own right thing. But just this whole thing, it's like come on, what are we, what are we doing here? We're doing it for the. The commercial dollars on a couple million viewers on a random ass Tuesday that nobody's watching a couple guys run around.
- [97:37]
D. Butch
It's what they do. What do you think they should do? Like physically what could they do that we would want.
- [97:41]
J.J. Watt
I literally don't know. Like that's why I said I think it might be just okay to admit that something's run its course. Like you're never going to get rid of it because it still makes funny like I'm not an idiot. It still is a television show. There's audience and there's commercials for it. Which is great that's gonna happen.
- [97:56]
Pat McAfee
But oh yeah, Big Spike is about to be awesome. Jade, you've never seen it. Maybe don't judge it before you get a chance to see it. Linemen are going to be spiking balls onto a machine that measures the amount of power. And then how about helmet harmony? His game shows players knowledge of their teammate.
- [98:14]
Boston Connor
Okay.
- [98:15]
Pat McAfee
Some guys relay race. That'll be fun. You know, because are we passing a baton? Are we doing the entire thing? Track baton for the NFL. And then satisfying catches presented by Snickers. Wide receivers, tight ends and corners are put through a time catching obstacle course. And then obviously the quarterback carnival is what they should be calling that one. Dan Orlovsky stole the show last year. Which once again goes back to JJ's point. If Dan Orlovsky is the one stealing the show, maybe we shouldn't be doing head to Head. You got a Madden game that's Fine. That's good content. Perfect. Punters and non punters compete to punt footballs into six large cups. That'll be fun. Yeah, that'll be good. The great football race. A five leg course that tests everything from kicking to agility to strength. A decathlon of sorts around football, tug of war and then obviously flag football ball. It's the pro bowl game.
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J.J. Watt
Is this broadcast.
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Pat McAfee
The pro bowl games? It's the pro bowl games. J. Yeah, it's on espn. Yeah, we're a part of the problem. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. Starts tomorrow night. Tomorrow night, 7:00 Eastern. Be your friend.
- [99:40]
J.J. Watt
It's okay for me to admit that I don't like it or agree with it and also I don't have a solution so that I don't have the answer. I don't know what the answer is.
- [99:48]
Pat McAfee
You're part of the problem man. You know, you're in a problem business. I'm in a solution business. And I'll tell you what, if it wasn't for that second page of games I would have been out. But once they turn that this one right here is what really put me pump perfect.
- [100:01]
D. Butch
Where's the three legged race you guys were talking about? This three legged race?
- [100:04]
Pat McAfee
I think that's part of the football. Football race. That's part of the football race.
- [100:07]
J.J. Watt
Is that a one man or a two man race?
- [100:09]
Pat McAfee
Hi O. Depends on who it is obviously. James.
- [100:13]
D. Butch
Yeah.
- [100:14]
Pat McAfee
But yes, I concur. I think we all do. And this is the NFL and I assume ESPN and all of its partners trying to figure out how we keep this as something that is of importance and to your point about millions of people watching this can outrate every NBA game, every single baseball, baseball game, every single NHL game. And you know it is something that has a lot of history being a Pro Bowler. To your point, we were the first.
- [100:40]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [100:40]
J.J. Watt
Guys got to stop putting in their contract by the way because you're going to get screwed on it. Like don't put Pro bowl in your contract because of the way the voting goes and everything. Like even if you're very deserving, you might not get it. So just this, if you're a player out there, recommendation probably wouldn't put Pro bowl in there as an escalator.
- [100:57]
Pat McAfee
Well, when we were growing up, you know the Pro bowl out in Hawaii with the quarterback challenge and everything, the 40 yard dash and the fastest man, yada yada yada.
- [101:04]
J.J. Watt
The obstacle, Larry Allen putting up 45 reps on the bench.
- [101:07]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that was awesome. That Was like, dream, you know, like a dream to make the Pro bowl someday in Hawaii. And then I made it my first year and we were in Phoenix. Remember, it was like 24 degrees. We had to drive three hours into the desert for our practice. And there was really no events, there was no pool, and they didn't even run out the entire hell hotel. You remember there was another conference happening in the hotel. And I'm like, what the are we doing? Then he wanted me to go pour concrete. Yeah. Humanity out in the middle of the desert or whatever. It's like, I'm not doing that. I'm not. I think I was up for the Walter Payton man of the Year, and I skipped the. The. The. The community event. Yeah, I skipped the. I was up for Walter Bay man of the Year. And they're like, all right, Tuesday morning, you're going to go out and you're going to pour concrete in the middle of the desert. And I said, said, no, I'm not.
- [101:50]
J.J. Watt
And they said, bus was a little light that day. Bus was a little light that day.
- [101:55]
Pat McAfee
See, J. I knew you were going, so that's why I said no. And I had to do a Rich Eisen 40 yard dash to make up for it, you know, for St. Jude or whatever the case. And it was me. I think Whitten was there. And then who's the DB that ripped Crabtrees?
- [102:12]
Darius Butler
Talib.
- [102:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, keep Talib. I'm like, we weren't pouring concrete. Nope. All right, let's go ahead and do this. So, you know, my kind of lost its luster immediately as soon as I got there. I'm like, what are we doing? What is. This is the Pro Bowl. So if the NFL wants players to take it serious, what I would suggest is you take it serious. NFL, you know, and if you want it to be a real thing, I think we're going to have to act like it's a real thing as opposed to what it has become. But nonetheless, congrats to Drake May making a Pro bowl. Hell, yeah. Drake, A.J. has a question for you.
- [102:42]
D. Butch
J.J. j.J. Getting back to this super bowl game.
- [102:44]
Pat McAfee
Game.
- [102:45]
D. Butch
When you're. Let's say you're playing and you're trying to defend Saquon Barkley and what he's doing as a D lineman, I guess. D lineman. DN we know we move you everywhere. How does that change your game plan when you know, like, so there's certain times that would be passing downs, I think, for other teams that might not be with Saquon. Does that slow your Rush down at all. And how do you. How do you stop a guy like Saquon?
- [103:05]
J.J. Watt
Yeah, it's. It purely comes down to team defense. Every single person has to be in their gap. I know that there's times that this is rich coming from me as a guy who made some plays by, you know, doing. Doing some things unconventionally, but it's full team defense. Everybody has to be in their gap. Everybody has to know exactly where they need to be, what gap they're covering. And he's talked about it before. Some of his best biggest runs are when he's setting you up. He's faking into one gap and bouncing out into the other because he saw something earlier in the game that he could take advantage of or he could get you to commit down into a gap that might not be your own and then bounce out to the one you're supposed to be in.
- [103:41]
Pat McAfee
So.
- [103:41]
J.J. Watt
So it purely comes down to every single guy combining to create a wall that he can't get through. But also, you have to be realistic. He's Saquon Barkley. He's going to get some runs, he's going to break some. You can't let that discourage you. You can't let that affect you as the game goes on. You have to just go out there and keep playing. And to your point about third downs or passing situations, that's very real. Like, there's no doubt that we try to get to third down so that we earn the right to rush the passer. So when you get there, you're geeked up, you're ready to go. You. You're in your pass rush stance, and sometimes that's when it's the easiest because you're creating seams to run right behind you. So it's just about trying to put them in a situation. Also hoping your offense puts up some points so that they can't just keep running the ball.
- [104:29]
Pat McAfee
And then they pounce right in the mouth. Yeah, that is. Lions were doing that this year.
- [104:34]
J.J. Watt
Oh, yeah.
- [104:34]
Pat McAfee
Eagles are doing that this year. Whenever you have a talented offensive line, you could certainly pull that off. AQ says Philadelphia Eagles have the best offensive line in all of football. He didn't expect them to win this many games, though. J should tell me how that makes sense.
- [104:46]
AQ Shipley
Huh?
- [104:46]
Pat McAfee
Tell me how that makes sense.
- [104:47]
J.J. Watt
I feel like I've heard AQ say five different teams this year had the best offensive line.
- [104:53]
Pat McAfee
Well, well, well, we had a week.
- [104:54]
AQ Shipley
Because it was week to week, if you paid attention.
- [104:57]
Pat McAfee
Well, he did. He did. He did.
- [104:58]
J.J. Watt
Well, I mean, I'm literally on the show with you, so I do pay attention. But so currently they are. Are they.
- [105:04]
Pat McAfee
Are they.
- [105:05]
J.J. Watt
Are they this week's best of the four remaining, or are they the best of the whole season? Where are we at?
- [105:09]
AQ Shipley
So at the end of the regular season, I did the season and I said Philly was the best of the season.
- [105:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Not just week to week, but where.
- [105:17]
Boston Connor
Was he in your power rankings?
- [105:18]
AQ Shipley
I think nine times. They were the best during the year. And then in week to week, how.
- [105:23]
J.J. Watt
Far ahead of the Lions were they?
- [105:25]
AQ Shipley
They were so the Lions were eight. So I had literally Eagles lines. It was one, two.
- [105:29]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And then he said, eagles can't win, though, in the playoffs because Jaylen Herz can't play. Play football. Good. And then Jalen hurts, comes out and slices and dices, and he still just refuses to believe his eyes. So there's a little stubbornness. He's a little conflicted.
- [105:43]
J.J. Watt
I really liked earlier in today's show when AQ gave his take on the corner blitz, the safety blitz or the wheel blitz, turning into the corner blitz, and then Debut came on and said, no, that wasn't actually that. It was just a straight up corner blitz. I was hoping for a little more.
- [106:00]
AQ Shipley
Think that's what was said at all?
- [106:01]
Pat McAfee
Well, I mean, there's a chance.
- [106:03]
Boston Connor
The exact same thing.
- [106:05]
Pat McAfee
Perspectives, J, what are your thoughts on that? What do you think about that particular.
- [106:11]
J.J. Watt
I have no idea. I'm not going to speak on it, cuz I don't know about those corner blitzes because I never had to worry about it. So I don't know which person is right. I would love for you guys to battle it out and get to an answer.
- [106:21]
Pat McAfee
We should have asked Reed, Andy Reid. Should have. We should have said, hey, was that called.
- [106:24]
Darius Butler
He would have told us or.
- [106:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he would have. You didn't tell?
- [106:26]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [106:27]
Pat McAfee
I mean, he wasn't. He didn't tell you? Not nothing, brother. Not nothing, brother. He. He didn't say anything. We could ask him what food was today. We're gonna eat the food that we eat. Yeah, we're gonna eat food we eat now. We're gonna dump it out later. You know, standard human stuff. And then. Yeah, should be good. All right. Con man has a question for you. Jj.
- [106:45]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [106:45]
Pat McAfee
You're getting murdered. Yeah.
- [106:47]
Boston Connor
Holy. I can't believe some of the atrocities you are claiming on AQ today is. I'm embarrassed for AQ as a friend.
- [106:54]
Pat McAfee
Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm embarrassed.
- [106:58]
AQ Shipley
Trust me.
- [106:59]
Pat McAfee
Oh, you might be right.
- [107:02]
J.J. Watt
I don't know who says the butt's right? We don't know. We don't know who's right. APQ could be right.
- [107:07]
D. Butch
Did they disagree?
- [107:08]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Debot said it was called Corner blitz. AQ said that it was. Since the split was in bang. Corner comes anyways. Yeah. So, you know, we'd have to ask Spags and he won't tell us.
- [107:20]
Darius Butler
He won't.
- [107:21]
Pat McAfee
He won't. He won't. So I don't know if we'll ever get the right answer.
- [107:23]
Ty Schmidt
We won't.
- [107:24]
Pat McAfee
We won't. But Jade certainly says AQ's wrong. Yeah. Good. I didn't say he was wrong.
- [107:32]
AQ Shipley
You got to get their stick. Their stick is just like trying to like our stick. Just pour gasoline on fire. That's what they do.
- [107:42]
AJ Hawk
This guy's so.
- [107:43]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So mad.
- [107:45]
Boston Connor
Cause your stick is acting like you're not mad.
- [107:47]
Pat McAfee
That's.
- [107:50]
Boston Connor
Okay, brother. Jj, a lot of first year head coaches also some guys kind of coming back. Pete Carroll, Mike Vrabel. How do you think those meetings and everything is going to look for those new teams? Shoddy in Dallas and then essentially they're saying Kelly Moe, also in New Orleans.
- [108:09]
J.J. Watt
The first meeting for a new head coach is always interesting because it gives you a snapshot. I mean, it's the whole first impressions. You only get one shot at them and it gives you a snapshot into what you should expect throughout their tenure. Some guys come in pure fire and brimstone, motivational. And you have to remember this is happening in OTAs. So this is going to happen in probably April. You're going to come in. That's the first time you actually get to talk to your full team and be in front of them. So they have a lot of time to think about this, to plan it out. And some guys come in purely motivational, and that's a little tough in April because you're getting everybody fired up to go do a 90 minute workout and then head home for the day. You know, there's not like a true fire and brimstone there for me. If I'm a head coach and I'm coming into that meeting for the first time at the beginning OTAs, I want to lay out the vision of why this is going to be successful. Show these guys that you have a plan. Show these guys that you have it already worked out in your head. You're visualizing exactly how this is going to go, how we're going to be successful. And here's what I need from you. Give them a checklist of things that you want them to accomplish to help you reach that goal and how you're all going to come together to accomplish it. Because if you're just hoping to do it on pure motivation or pure tactics on the field, it's not going to work. You have to really systematically lay it out and give these guys a reason to believe and give you everything they got.
- [109:28]
Pat McAfee
How do you feel about Jacksonville being located in the county of Duvall? What are your thoughts on this legit? Cause Ty. Ty has already made his judgment. I said we should reserve judgment because we have no idea if this guy's going to be a great head coach or not. I don't think we know if anybody is going to be a great head coach or not unless they've done it in the past and have had massive success. Ty, though, thinks that that guy.
- [109:55]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he's going to stink.
- [109:56]
Pat McAfee
Okay? That's how he feels. Your thoughts on players watching this and kind of all unravel before they even get in the building?
- [110:03]
J.J. Watt
If you don't think players watch that, pass it around, their own text messages, etc. You're crazy. They absolutely have passed that around, and they. It does. You're going into that first meeting like, all right, let me feel this guy out. Let me see what we got. I will say that that's just this year's version of Jonathan Gannon. Shot shots. Pew, pew, pew. Shot shots. Or the Adam Gase press conference with crazy eyes from a few years ago. So every year it does seem to be that we get one guy that walks into that press conference and you're like, oh, what was that? So I do think he's kind of got. You kind of got to win the guys back a little bit after that. Don't do that in the first meeting, probably. Or do it as a joke and play it off and be like, yeah, what the heck was that? But I don't know. What do you think?
- [110:49]
Pat McAfee
Well, I thought his face knew that his mouth was doing something it shouldn't do, you know, at the time. Because down there in the county of Duvall, you know, the head movement, man.
- [111:02]
J.J. Watt
And the shoulders. He rolls the shoulders with it.
- [111:05]
Pat McAfee
Beast killing the game with this one. Yeah, dog. Basically, the big conversation we had after that was like, he's just got to be himself all the time. Like, if he's a goober and that's who he is, just be that all the time. Because if not, the players will sense it. They'll see it. You brought up Adam Gase. That obviously didn't work out. Then Sirianni had a situation, his opening press conference, where everybody thought he was a big, dumb dipshit. It has worked out. Mcdc, they said, this guy's an absolute dipshit. It has worked out for him. There's been situations that have gone good, there's been situations that have gone bad. So maybe we don't say that.
- [111:36]
Ty Schmidt
This guy is going to absolutely stink.
- [111:39]
Pat McAfee
We'll be back tomorrow.
- [111:40]
J.J. Watt
I don't think the lighting.
- [111:43]
Pat McAfee
All right, jh. Oh, my God. What a terror. Embarrassment. Yeah. Oh, my God. The only thing we say is don't embarrass the program. Yeah. And that's really the only rule. That's the only rule.
- [111:58]
J.J. Watt
That was it. I did it. I. I take full responsibility. Go ahead, aq. Let it fly.
- [112:04]
AQ Shipley
What does Alex Pereira do?
- [112:08]
Pat McAfee
Is that what you think?
- [112:09]
AQ Shipley
Exhibit A.
- [112:10]
J.J. Watt
Why are your knees so close?
- [112:11]
AQ Shipley
Exhibit A.
- [112:15]
D. Butch
Why are these so close?
- [112:18]
Pat McAfee
Don't Listen to him, AQ.
- [112:19]
D. Butch
AQ's gonna kill everybody on set.
- [112:22]
Pat McAfee
There's a chance.
- [112:23]
J.J. Watt
I think AQ very well could be right. Like, I never said you were wrong.
- [112:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. The way you laid it out, that.
- [112:29]
J.J. Watt
You guys had differing opinions.
- [112:31]
Pat McAfee
That's not what you said. You listen to it back, you'll see how we all turn it. The way you meant it to be said, AQ said that, you know, became a corner because the split. And then DBUT said, yeah, well, how would he know?
- [112:45]
J.J. Watt
How would either of them know? Nobody knows.
- [112:48]
Pat McAfee
Well, you're acting like you. You're on one side. And I think, Hank, you can feel that look, the guy's sweat.
- [112:53]
AQ Shipley
I mean, I see, like, I usually do research before I say something. So I talked to a quarterback who maybe played for the Chiefs when the D coordinator might have been spags.
- [113:00]
Pat McAfee
So.
- [113:04]
AQ Shipley
Carry the two equals. Got it.
- [113:06]
Pat McAfee
Perfect. You're starting to sweat, though, a little bit, jj.
- [113:08]
J.J. Watt
Now give D Butt. Now give D Butt a chance to rebut that. Cuz you're coming at D Butt, not me.
- [113:13]
Pat McAfee
No, he's not.
- [113:14]
J.J. Watt
You know what I got.
- [113:15]
Darius Butler
You're not stirring this pot over here.
- [113:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Don't you think you're driving a wedge over here in the Thunderdome from your estate down there in Texas, pal? Okay? We don't need you high society hoity toity and starting brawls over here in Indiana. Okay, J. Okay. Geez.
- [113:32]
J.J. Watt
I have no thoughts on it. I have no opinion. I don't know about. About corner blitzes. I know literally less than nothing about them other than that I have to pirate down inside. If a guy's coming from my side, that doesn't matter to me at all.
- [113:45]
Pat McAfee
So when you pirate down, is it because of a tight split or is it because the play was called that way?
- [113:51]
J.J. Watt
I'm not smart enough to know that type of stuff. Somebody else has to tell me from behind me. AJ's got to say, hey, Pirate. Pirate down. Yeah.
- [113:59]
Pat McAfee
What's he say? ARR.
- [114:02]
D. Butch
Yeah.
- [114:03]
Pat McAfee
Hey, jj. ARR.
- [114:05]
Chuck Pagano
That's our code word.
- [114:06]
Pat McAfee
I love everything about it. All right. Speaking of corner D, Butt has a question for you.
- [114:11]
Darius Butler
Jj, I know you were out in Kansas City for the AFC championship, and I feel like after the game, you know, it's been a lot of people, they feel so, so, so sorry for, for Josh Allen and losing again to Patrick Mahomes. What's your thoughts on Josh Allen and if he'll ever get over that hump that is Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs?
- [114:31]
J.J. Watt
Yeah, I, I, I agree with you. I do think that there are a lot of those sentiments going out there, like how, man, how bad we feel for the Chief or for the Bills, how bad we feel for Josh Allen. He just can't get over it. We wish he would. I understand that. I absolutely understand it. I understand how bad it sucks to get that close and not make it and how bad that has to feel. But if you flipped it and Josh Allen had won three the last four and going for his fifth, we would be saying the same thing about Patrick Mahomes and his guys. We hate success. We don't hate necessarily the people that are having the success. So I don't, I don't really get this whole, like, feeling sorry for him like it's a sport. It's not like there was an injury. It's not like there was some freak thing that happened or some crazy. I mean, I mean, I guess there's conversations of some freak things that happen, but neither here nor there. But I don't. It's a, It's a sport. At the end of the day, one team wins, one team loses.
- [115:21]
Pat McAfee
Let's.
- [115:21]
J.J. Watt
It's not like, let's feel bad for these guys. Like, that's what it is. That's what you sign up for. It really sucks. If you played in a different era, might he have more championships? Yeah. And if he was the one on the other side, would we probably be hating him just like everybody's hating the Chiefs at the moment? Yeah, probably because we hate success, not the people.
- [115:39]
Pat McAfee
Chiefs are heels by far. Like, people hate Philadelphia as a whole, But I think 80% of the bets are on the Philadelphia Eagles, Hammer Don Tone Diggs. Is that right? That is correct. Yeah. That's because everybody hates the Chiefs.
- [115:52]
D. Butch
Like, that is when they start hating them, though. Like, when do you have so much success to where people start hating you?
- [115:57]
Pat McAfee
I think going into last year.
- [115:58]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. After the second Super Bowl.
- [116:00]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I think going into last year was what. Then they went again. And then obviously Taylor being a part of it all, that's a whole nother animal. That's a whole nother piece of it that people hate him. And it's just like that just kind of comes with it, you know? And I assume modern day, if Jordan was playing right now, Michael Jordan, he would be hated by everybody. I couldn't even fathom how bad everybody would hate him. Just like everybody hates LeBron James because how great he is. Ain't that right, AK?
- [116:26]
AQ Shipley
When did that flip? Like, why did everybody loved Michael? Was it because of the shoe? Was it because of the clothing brand?
- [116:33]
Pat McAfee
I think we didn't have social media.
- [116:34]
AQ Shipley
Is that. Is that.
- [116:35]
J.J. Watt
No, they did love Michael, Right. Nobody ever really disliked him.
- [116:39]
AQ Shipley
Correct.
- [116:39]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, everybody loves them. But there wasn't social media for you to be able to hear, like social media, modern era, you'll hear a reason why you should hate somebody and somebody be like, yeah, I didn't even think about that. Fuck this guy. And then all of a sudden, now, bang. It's a group think situation. And it's like, yeah, I didn't even know that I hate, hated this guy. You're right. More Taylor. Yeah, of course that's fake. That's not a real boom, boom, boom. Oh, it must be nice. The refs make all the. It's just one thing leads to another, you know, and that's the world that we're in. People have always thrown rocks at things that shine, I believe, you know, if you're great or if you're in the spotlight. People have always tried to knock people down. But I think now with social media, there's a lot more like, good point. Yup. I'm gonna take that as if it's my own. And I think those who got to play sports before the social media, like, congrats. I don't think you had to take the blender that is current modern media world that we're in. But it's. It's good, though.
- [117:37]
J.J. Watt
It's also everything. Also a contrarian thing where people are like, oh, everybody likes that guy. I don't want to be like everybody. Like, I want to be the guy that doesn't like him. And then, okay, let's get on that bandwagon. Whereas it's like. It's just kind of like that. Too cool for school. Like, oh, yeah, they're so good. I don't like them. Like, okay.
- [117:54]
Pat McAfee
Jalen Hurts. Yeah.
- [117:55]
Boston Connor
Bingo.
- [117:56]
Pat McAfee
Jalen hurts has some D1 haters because, oh, super handsome.
- [118:01]
Boston Connor
I'm so cool. I got a cool chain and my girlfriend's hot.
- [118:05]
Pat McAfee
Oh, oh. And I win.
- [118:07]
Boston Connor
I'm in the tush. Push. I score touchdowns. Oh, fuck you.
- [118:11]
Pat McAfee
That's just natural.
- [118:12]
Boston Connor
There's like 20 of those tweets a game.
- [118:14]
Pat McAfee
That's just. Just modern human nature these days with how it is. And I'll tell you what, you hang out in the paint, you're going to get dunked on every once in a while. That's right. But LeBron James, you know, he's had to deal with that his whole career.
- [118:26]
AQ Shipley
He has. Michael grew up in the social media era.
- [118:28]
Pat McAfee
Michael Jordan didn't have to.
- [118:30]
AQ Shipley
He didn't.
- [118:31]
Pat McAfee
This guy's a big Michael Jordan guy. Yeah. Loves. Yeah.
- [118:34]
Boston Connor
Hates LeBron.
- [118:35]
Pat McAfee
Hates LeBron.
- [118:35]
Boston Connor
It's crazy.
- [118:36]
AQ Shipley
I mean, you still like them both.
- [118:38]
Pat McAfee
Yes. Amen. You can. Because you're playing two different sports.
- [118:41]
Boston Connor
Doesn't different ain't no party like a. I love.
- [118:45]
AQ Shipley
I love that you think it was two different sports. It is sports, actually.
- [118:48]
Pat McAfee
It is.
- [118:49]
AQ Shipley
Wasn't even close physical in the 80s and 90s and now you can't touch anybody. I get it. I get it.
- [118:55]
Pat McAfee
You're telling me 6 foot 8. LeBron.
- [118:58]
AJ Hawk
LeBron wouldn't have a chance against Bill Lamb.
- [119:02]
Pat McAfee
LeBron would have dropped 60 on the Pistons and I love those Pistons. What you say? Zeno players missing 400 games. LeBron no Embiid. Oh, okay. We're talking about LeBron right now, though. So modern day, though. Just. Just guys. Chicago.
- [119:17]
AQ Shipley
Chicago, though.
- [119:18]
Pat McAfee
It is different game. I agree. But like in that particular case, the load management is certainly a part of that whole thing. LeBron doesn't miss games, though. LeBron's still playing.
- [119:27]
AQ Shipley
I agree.
- [119:28]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [119:28]
AQ Shipley
Super impressive.
- [119:29]
Boston Connor
That's where people will argue about the physical wear and tear because of that. But the great if both errors could play like Larry Bird today, you can't hand be awesome. Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller would actually probably score 35 points a game because you can't hand check.
- [119:43]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Going back to the shooters of the past.
- [119:46]
Boston Connor
Yes.
- [119:47]
Pat McAfee
And like abusing the new three point things would be.
- [119:51]
Boston Connor
Yeah. Michael red.
- [119:52]
Pat McAfee
Mark.
- [119:53]
Ty Schmidt
Mark Price would have Michael Red 50 points a game.
- [119:57]
Pat McAfee
Larry though. Oh, yeah. Bird would have Lefty and Righty would have been able to put up 25 a night.
- [120:02]
Ty Schmidt
LeBron also never had anyone to run the pick. I mean, like, Jordan had Bill Wennington running the pick and pop. Like LeBron. LeBron never had a guy like that.
- [120:10]
Pat McAfee
You know, I watched the Last Dance. Yeah.
- [120:14]
Ty Schmidt
Bill Cartwright, Bill Weddington, who's LeBron's Tony.
- [120:17]
Boston Connor
Ku coach, you know?
- [120:18]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, yeah.
- [120:19]
Pat McAfee
Who's Scotty Pippen? Heaven forbid he has a Luke Longley just one time. Yeah, I. I didn't grow up watching Michael Jones Jordan. I wasn't in the basketball world. I'd watched the Lake show late at night, but the only thing I saw was Jordan highlights all the time. So I'm like, damn, this guy is unbelievable.
- [120:36]
AQ Shipley
The highlights are unbelievable.
- [120:37]
Pat McAfee
Unbelievable. Then I watched that last dance, and it's like, okay, this is not the same basketball that they're playing nowadays. Every sport evolves. Every sport gets better. But I'll tell you what, if LeBron James saw somebody dribbling like this, he's. He's picking that pocket and he's taking off. You know, Jordan Duncan from the foul line, that was a big deal.
- [120:58]
AQ Shipley
Big deal.
- [120:58]
Pat McAfee
Big deal. LeBron's 6 foot 8 could do that. Would have done that on everybody the entire time. Not saying Jordan wouldn't dominate nowadays. I think Jordan would dominate anything he tried to do other than golf. I guess he's. I guess he's good at golf, but he's not, like, dominant at golf.
- [121:11]
Ty Schmidt
He's stunk at baseball.
- [121:13]
Pat McAfee
Okay. In baseball, I guess he could do. But if he was to play modern basketball, I think he would dominate. I think I. I believe the Michael.
- [121:20]
AQ Shipley
But you could say that about any era in any sport, right? Like, yes, you only play who you can play, and you only know what you know in terms of whatever. Like, they weren't lifting weights and running and doing all that stuff in 1960, but Joe Namath was still a damn good quarterback. If Joe Namath was today, you take that talent, you put it with all the stuff, he can probably compete and be pretty damn good to hear.
- [121:41]
Pat McAfee
You said probably there. I'm not probably with Michael Jordan. I think Michael Jordan would have been great in this era. Yeah. Just like I think LeBron would have been great back then, for sure. Okay, so you agree? All right. We met in the middle. We met two different sports. We did it. Congratulations.
- [121:57]
J.J. Watt
Hey, Q. I'm gonna build you back up. My buddy Evan texted me and said, is AQ been on a powerlifting regimen?
- [122:02]
Boston Connor
Because he looks Jack.
- [122:04]
Pat McAfee
So he does lift those arms Back up. No, no, no, no. Lift those arms up.
- [122:09]
AQ Shipley
No, I, I just run hot to sweat.
- [122:12]
D. Butch
You're allowed to mizzen in main top means you're efficient.
- [122:14]
AQ Shipley
It is Walter Hagen.
- [122:16]
Boston Connor
I think you got the answer.
- [122:19]
AQ Shipley
Hey, you got the. Would be a good golfer today.
- [122:22]
Pat McAfee
Holy. Golf is one of the sports I think just kind of translates cuz you're playing against.
- [122:26]
D. Butch
Baseball is different. Think about baseball back in the day. You're pitched against guys that never get taken out and they're, you know, pitching complete games all the time. I, I think that's a little bit different.
- [122:35]
Pat McAfee
Well, what they throw, they threw like 85 back then, right?
- [122:37]
Ty Schmidt
Some guys. But some guys were modern marvels and were throwing like 110. What they were throwing like. Okay, I'm dead serious.
- [122:47]
Pat McAfee
Maybe the radar guns were a little up.
- [122:49]
Ty Schmidt
Look at the bit. Try to find clips of the big train. Walter Johnson, he was like 69. Like he threw like 110 miles an hour and pitched every day, every inning. I think, I think he died because his arm footage. Walter Johnson was.
- [123:05]
AQ Shipley
Please find clips of this.
- [123:07]
D. Butch
Cause of death.
- [123:10]
Ty Schmidt
Bob Feller.
- [123:11]
Pat McAfee
You think he threw too much gas? Yeah, that's why fell off.
- [123:15]
D. Butch
Skin's better. Watch it.
- [123:16]
Ty Schmidt
Bob Feller. You think you get a nickname like the Heater from Van Meter if you're not throwing absolute gas? I don't.
- [123:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but we're talking about gas for the time. We're not talking about gas.
- [123:25]
Ty Schmidt
No, I mean, by and large, yeah, guys were throwing 85 miles an hour right down the middle. But a couple guys were.
- [123:32]
Pat McAfee
When the Bambino was swinging the stick.
- [123:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [123:34]
Pat McAfee
What were they pitching?
- [123:36]
Ty Schmidt
Well, he played in the Walter Johnson era, so you know, he saw the big train.
- [123:40]
D. Butch
But they're probably throwing those junk balls too though. They're loading up the ball with snot and everything. Making it move nine feet for sure.
- [123:46]
Ty Schmidt
But no, I mean, guys today are a thousand times better than they were back then.
- [123:49]
Pat McAfee
Two different sports.
- [123:50]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [123:50]
Boston Connor
Hockey goalies.
- [123:52]
J.J. Watt
Any more pack the old Gretzky highlights. There's some, there's some Gretzky highlights out there where he's just dancing around the entire squad solo.
- [124:00]
Pat McAfee
Well, he had that goon with him too, you know, so no, everybody was scared to get within six feet of Wayno, which is how every team should treat their superstar. But yeah, sports evolve. They're different. That's why comparing a different era to a different era is just like a very hard thing to do, I think.
- [124:16]
J.J. Watt
But that's my thing is like everybody else played in that era too. So it's like. Like, because Pete, the Wayne argument, people like, well, look, he was just dancing a bit. Well, nobody else fucking danced around everybody the way he did. How come nobody else scored a thousand goals and a thousand assists? Like, how come he was so much more dominant than everybody else? Because he was the best. That kind of goes to AQ's argument. Whereas if you put Joe Montana in today's world and he has the everything modern, he's going to do it to that level just like he did. Nobody else in his era was going to do it to that level.
- [124:45]
Pat McAfee
Joe Montana, Joe Namath, both Western Pennsylvania guys, they would have fit in at any. Marino, Danny Marino, of course. Yeah.
- [124:52]
AQ Shipley
Western Pa. I mean, just name it. Pittsburgh.
- [124:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Bingo. Yeah.
- [124:55]
AQ Shipley
That's it.
- [124:56]
Pat McAfee
That's why Will Howard. How do you feel about Will Howard?
- [124:58]
AQ Shipley
I love Will Howard.
- [124:59]
Pat McAfee
Me, too. How come it's not being talked about?
- [125:01]
AQ Shipley
I don't know. Six, five, he's 240, can sling it and he can run it.
- [125:06]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [125:06]
AQ Shipley
He won a national championship.
- [125:08]
Pat McAfee
It's the face.
- [125:09]
Boston Connor
It's the face.
- [125:10]
Pat McAfee
It's got to be the face.
- [125:11]
D. Butch
No one wants to grow beard.
- [125:12]
Boston Connor
No one wants to look at that guy.
- [125:14]
Pat McAfee
I don't think he can grow beard. I don't think he can grow a beard.
- [125:16]
D. Butch
Paint one on, maybe help him out for the combine.
- [125:18]
Pat McAfee
What are you saying? You're saying like Ryan? Why are you saying painting beards? What are you bringing out?
- [125:22]
D. Butch
I mean, like, Convo's booze are back in the day.
- [125:24]
Pat McAfee
Oh, okay. Not Ryan.
- [125:25]
Boston Connor
Well, easy. The booze did not paint his beard on. It look good.
- [125:29]
Pat McAfee
He painted his hair well, yes. Aj, you ever have a beard on?
- [125:33]
D. Butch
No, I can't really grow very much facial hair at all, actually.
- [125:36]
Pat McAfee
How about you, Jay? Do you ever have clean face? Yeah.
- [125:40]
J.J. Watt
Yeah, I used to have clean face for a long time. Time back of my face is actually rounder than it is, so it was probably a mistake, but no, I was age. You should not have a beard. I mean, you can't cover up that.
- [125:52]
Pat McAfee
Chiseled lock right there.
- [125:54]
D. Butch
I wish. I mean, that'll be nice, but yeah, I don't. It's never been a thing I've been able to do.
- [125:58]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I always try. I always try to keep a little bit of stuff on it to cover up all the face. You know what I mean? But I'm more clean face now than I've ever been. Really?
- [126:07]
J.J. Watt
What's the longest your beard's ever been? Been?
- [126:09]
Pat McAfee
I tried to grow it that one time. It's bad. I Got bad. I got to keep it tight. I can't go too long. I start looking like a. I'm not going to say it now.
- [126:20]
D. Butch
What would it.
- [126:21]
Pat McAfee
Now it's not time to say looks bad. Looks bad.
- [126:27]
D. Butch
What could it be?
- [126:29]
Pat McAfee
I'm lost. I'm not going to get into it. Now's our time. Hey, did you hear about the moon landing? 1969. J, did you hear? No, dude.
- [126:37]
J.J. Watt
Somebody fill me in here because I saw there was discourse about this, but I have not been able to see it. What was the argument?
- [126:44]
D. Butch
High level.
- [126:45]
Pat McAfee
We watched it for the first time yesterday, you know, because last year's super bowl was the most watched television thing since the moon landing. Moon landing had 650 million people watching it live. Okay, this is like guy throwing 110 back whenever they didn't have radar. 650 million people watch that thing live. Live. We actually watched it yesterday live, the moon landing, including the call from President Nixon up to Neil and Buzz up there on the moon. And it turned into a day that Conor will never forget. Connor. Conor had a change of mind, I think on a lot. He was the only one though. He was the only one. Now with that being said, it's a good, good lead in to a ratings conversation from Ty Schmidt.
- [127:28]
Ty Schmidt
J. Yeah. J.
- [127:29]
AQ Shipley
With everybody.
- [127:29]
Ty Schmidt
Everything we've talked about. People, you know, sick and tired of the Chiefs, don't want to see another Chiefs Eagles super bowl since we just saw one recently. The ref discussion, all that mumbo jumbo. Do you think this year's super bowl ratings are going to be higher or lower than last year? We've kind of been going back and forth on this.
- [127:47]
J.J. Watt
Well, last year was on cbs, so I'll. I'm a company man. I will say that I'm going to just guess just a touch lower just because that's my company, but I also. People are watching, man. It's the Super Bowl.
- [128:01]
Ty Schmidt
A lot of people said they're not gonna watch.
- [128:03]
Pat McAfee
I saw, I saw at least 100 tweets. I saw at least 100 tweets.
- [128:08]
J.J. Watt
Seven of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by Brady. Brady Mahomes. 14 of the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by Brady Mahomes or Remaining Brother. Like the same people are winning it every year. So you're, you're complaining about something that's been happening for 20 plus years. Years. It's the same people winning the Super Bowl. The same people in the super bowl, even if they're not winning it. You've been watching the Whole time, the ratings have continued to go up every single time. And you continue to. On everybody else who doesn't win Super Bowls. Hey, hand up, man up. Me also. But you're in the era of these guys, where 70% of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by two people. So every other, like, it is what it is, man. It's hard to do. These two have figured it out at an unbelievably high level. They continue to do it, appreciate it, it, watch it for what it is, see if the Eagles can knock him off. It should be a great game. But let's not act like you're not tuning in because of this or because of that. Like, you're watching the super bowl, man. What else are you going to do on that Sunday?
- [129:04]
Pat McAfee
What are you doing for the Super Bowl? You having a big super bowl party? A shindig, if you will, at the J.J. watt house?
- [129:11]
J.J. Watt
No, I will be watching it. That's it?
- [129:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I don't know how people watch in big groups. We tried it one time. I think we did like a Super bowl watch thing, couple of them, and I think we enjoy because we're around each other a lot, but the people that do the big parties, I don't know. Yeah.
- [129:26]
Boston Connor
And then even these last couple years, we've just watched it, like, on our own. It's been like, man, it's pretty nice.
- [129:31]
Pat McAfee
This is really nice.
- [129:32]
Ty Schmidt
It's different when you cover it every day, day to day. Like, if you're just going to, like, a Super bowl party and you work in, like, an office setting, like, you get up and you're just like, shooting the. With people and, like, you're watching the game unless you have, like, an actual rooting interest. But, like, it's just, just. It's another big event, another excuse to get incredibly boozed up.
- [129:50]
Pat McAfee
Okay. So they. It's just viewed as an opportunity.
- [129:52]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, it's just a huge party.
- [129:53]
Pat McAfee
Got it.
- [129:54]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [129:54]
J.J. Watt
But then you got that guy asking, like, like, oh, how are the kids? Like, how's school? And they're like, dude, it's third and seven right now. Like, what the. Dude, just leave me alone. God, I don't care about the queso dip at this exact moment, buddy. Like, leave me alone. No, I don't need another second and five.
- [130:09]
Ty Schmidt
Some guys just trying to, you know, ask about how.
- [130:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, exactly.
- [130:15]
J.J. Watt
Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, buddy. I don't need you in my life at this moment right now.
- [130:19]
Pat McAfee
It is hard to watch football in public, though, I think. You know, I'd assume much Harder for you two and you debut and you aq. But I think it was the year I retired, I did, like, a watch party thing at one of these places, like a Sunday watch party. And I don't want to say people are stupid, but the things that people ask about when watching a game, it's like, wow, I. I don't have an answer for that. I don't. I don't. I don't even know what the. The way people take in games, I think, is vastly different than how some other people take, I don't know, just blitz every time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's like there's those things. I don't know why they don't just run that play every time. It's like, okay, all right. And then the people that question everything everybody does, it's like they've only watched, like, 30 hours of film this week. For this particular, you know, like, I. I think it is a little tough. I think it is sometimes a little difficult to kind of handle that. But as long as you love ball, who cares? I guess.
- [131:13]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. I mean, I'm guessing if you played in the league or, like, actually played in a Super bowl or whatever, like, you. You shouldn't be going to a Super bowl party with just some Joe Schmo who's going to ask you a thousand questions. Like, that is a. That's an average American who, you know, you get. Because you got 50% of the people there are just there for the commercials.
- [131:30]
Pat McAfee
Oh, commercials this year.
- [131:31]
Ty Schmidt
Commercials.
- [131:32]
Pat McAfee
Paul, excited for the commercials this year, JH Are you in any of them?
- [131:37]
J.J. Watt
No, I am not. I am excited for them as well. I look forward to seeing them.
- [131:40]
Pat McAfee
J is not in a. Well, you're in all the commercials this year. What do you mean you're not in.
- [131:45]
D. Butch
Surprise.
- [131:46]
Darius Butler
I don't believe him.
- [131:48]
D. Butch
S. NDA Probably.
- [131:49]
J.J. Watt
No. Similar to my career.
- [131:52]
Pat McAfee
Oh, AQ just laughed. Aq.
- [131:56]
AQ Shipley
I didn't. I'm drinking water.
- [131:58]
J.J. Watt
I'm trying to hype him up. I'm trying to build him back up. Apparently, I on him early earlier, which I wasn't.
- [132:03]
Pat McAfee
You were. You were disrespecting them a little bit. Disrespected him a little bit. Oh, I did it.
- [132:14]
AQ Shipley
Don't let him gas you. Don't even acknowledge it.
- [132:16]
Pat McAfee
It'll just keep going a little bit. You did.
- [132:21]
J.J. Watt
I got. Have you seen. I'm sure you have, but the guy on Twitter. X. Whatever it is. Who. Who? Every post I post, I'm sure he does it to yours as well. Tells me how many Wipes. He does every time. That guy's cracking me up right now.
- [132:34]
Pat McAfee
I've not seen that.
- [132:35]
J.J. Watt
Is that anything I post? Anything I post. He posts, like, a number of wipes. He was like, I did 10. I did 10 wipes after this. And I'll post like. I'll post like I was in Kansas City for the game. He's like, yeah, after the Kansas City game, I had 115 wipes, like, cracking me up.
- [132:51]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so I want to let you guys know the yesterday, I believe I was going through it a little bit out of the basement. I had a six wiper, and I thought to myself, holy shit, this is a lot of wipes. And then I immediately remembered that is nothing in comparison to what you do in there and you do in there and Hammer done Tone does in there at 6, I was almost exhausted. I'm like, can my butt cheeks take anymore? I don't know. And then I remembered these dudes are doing 100 wipes for one. Shit. Yeah. I don't even know how that works. How do your pipes not blow up every aq? Are you here for this? This conversation?
- [133:28]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, it's every Wednesday.
- [133:30]
Pat McAfee
How many pipes? How many wipes have you done?
- [133:33]
AQ Shipley
I mean, Max.
- [133:34]
Pat McAfee
Max.
- [133:36]
AQ Shipley
That's some situations, but I'd say yes.
- [133:38]
Pat McAfee
Yes. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about those situations.
- [133:40]
AQ Shipley
Okay, so those situation might be like, probably like a 6 to 8, but then, like, you might get like, a little, like, itchy butt syndrome, and then you might have to go back for like two or three more, you know?
- [133:53]
Pat McAfee
So it would have been a 10 wiper. You think?
- [133:55]
AQ Shipley
10 wiper.
- [133:56]
Pat McAfee
That sounds like a lot, doesn't it?
- [133:58]
AQ Shipley
It does.
- [133:59]
Pat McAfee
It's nothing compared to what these guys.
- [134:00]
AQ Shipley
I. I heard 50J. No, it was AJ. AJ said 100, I think, one time, didn't he?
- [134:06]
Pat McAfee
They dropped it down.
- [134:07]
Chuck Pagano
Yeah.
- [134:07]
J.J. Watt
I mean, yeah, like, there are those times, like, you sure you can stop early and then have to go back later. Yeah, but, like, early, like, what, 25. Where? It's just a mess, man.
- [134:17]
Pat McAfee
All right, we're getting out of here. I can't do it. Are you going to be down in New Orleans next week?
- [134:21]
J.J. Watt
No. Are you?
- [134:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Thought you were going to be there. No, I'm not.
- [134:28]
J.J. Watt
We're going to be coming up to the dome.
- [134:31]
Pat McAfee
Really?
- [134:32]
J.J. Watt
I actually am.
- [134:35]
Pat McAfee
I don't believe it. Do you?
- [134:37]
J.J. Watt
But I found out you're not back. This is your last Wednesday show until like, three weeks from now. So that hurt my plans. But when we Come back. I'm coming.
- [134:45]
Boston Connor
Well, really, I don't know if.
- [134:48]
J.J. Watt
If I'm invited. Am I locked out?
- [134:49]
Boston Connor
We're here also that week.
- [134:51]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Because we'll be.
- [134:53]
J.J. Watt
Yeah, well, it doesn't need to be that. But you're back in general, right?
- [134:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we'll be back in general, but I think we're going to be. Potentially, this might be news break breaker. We're going to be at the combine, I do believe. Live from the combine, downtown Indianapolis, Indiana, looking at the future of the NFL. We'll have these eyes on it. I don't think we're allowed to have camera on it, though.
- [135:11]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [135:12]
Pat McAfee
It's become a big conversation behind the scenes on where we're allowed to be, what the background is allowed to be, how long we're allowed to even look at them with our eyes versus what everybody else is. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing.
- [135:24]
J.J. Watt
What?
- [135:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I guess there's rights and stuff for what you're looking at.
- [135:28]
J.J. Watt
Oh, I see. Yeah.
- [135:29]
Pat McAfee
You know, and we're like. Just put us right there on the top. It'll be great. Just have the thing right behind us. Well, will you show the thing? Definitely. What are we there for? You can't. Okay.
- [135:40]
Boston Connor
What.
- [135:41]
Pat McAfee
Tell me that before you ask me that.
- [135:42]
J.J. Watt
So why are we going. So why should we do it from the building?
- [135:45]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot of that. You know, a lot of that.
- [135:47]
J.J. Watt
But do it from the train station, man. Just set that up in the train station. Get the real stories.
- [135:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you're right. We should do that. We will get the real stories down here. I wonder how many wipes they do at the train station.
- [135:58]
Ty Schmidt
They don't wipe.
- [135:59]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [135:59]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [136:01]
J.J. Watt
Oh, with the. With the amount of drinks and food that's going down at that thing, that train station has seen some wipes.
- [136:07]
Pat McAfee
That's right. A lot of poops.
- [136:09]
Boston Connor
They don't wipe, they eat.
- [136:11]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Let's get to a break, J. Thank you, man. Thank you. That was really good. Really good hit out of you today. You're coming to the Thunderdome. That's awesome news. I am.
- [136:21]
J.J. Watt
I looked it up. I found out where it is. I am coming.
- [136:24]
AJ Hawk
I found that.
- [136:24]
J.J. Watt
And thankfully, Connor told me there's an airport a lot closer than the airport.
- [136:27]
Pat McAfee
I was looking at.
- [136:29]
J.J. Watt
So whenever you're back in the Thunderdome.
- [136:32]
Pat McAfee
You let me know.
- [136:32]
J.J. Watt
I'm showing up.
- [136:33]
Pat McAfee
We'll see you in April. That's a long time. We'll see if you still want to do it. Yeah, it's one of those things.
- [136:41]
J.J. Watt
Run in Nola, get some beignets.
- [136:44]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Maybe a little king's cake, I believe is what it's called.
- [136:48]
Boston Connor
Some crepes.
- [136:49]
Pat McAfee
Maybe some crepes. Some really thin pancakes.
- [136:51]
Boston Connor
Yeah.
- [136:52]
Pat McAfee
What else they got?
- [136:53]
Ty Schmidt
Crawdads.
- [136:54]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah.
- [136:55]
J.J. Watt
Gumbo boys got some Po Boys.
- [136:57]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [136:57]
Pat McAfee
Love Po Boy.
- [136:58]
Ty Schmidt
Fried alligator.
- [136:59]
Pat McAfee
I will eat some fried alligator. I'm not scared to eat a little alligator, Debo. You going to eat a little alligator?
- [137:06]
Darius Butler
Eat a little alligator.
- [137:07]
Pat McAfee
Super greasy fatty chicken. Little alligator down here. What are you to eat down there? You going to have a little Al.
- [137:13]
AQ Shipley
Everything. I love New Orleans gumbo, Pop. New Orleans food's good.
- [137:18]
Pat McAfee
Very good. Yeah, very good. I got.
- [137:20]
J.J. Watt
I got one more before I go. You got to stop swinging your feet like that, man. You got to stop swinging your feet.
- [137:28]
Pat McAfee
Holy. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. watt. Thank you. Jeez Louise. What happened?
- [137:36]
AQ Shipley
I don't.
- [137:37]
Pat McAfee
I don't.
- [137:37]
AQ Shipley
Huh.
- [137:38]
D. Butch
Thought you guys used to walk together.
- [137:39]
AQ Shipley
He must be mad whenever I pancaked him when he played in Houston.
- [137:45]
Darius Butler
He's going to call back. Definitely call it back.
- [137:48]
AQ Shipley
He can call back, cuz. I got the video right here on my phone. Everyone watch.
- [137:55]
Chuck Pagano
Me back.
- [137:56]
Pat McAfee
Bring me back.
- [137:59]
D. Butch
Anyone want to watch it?
- [138:00]
J.J. Watt
You got the video and your favorites on your phone. That's all you need to know, buddy.
- [138:06]
Pat McAfee
This is.
- [138:07]
AQ Shipley
This has been. This has been just for this moment. It has been way too easy to find.
- [138:13]
Darius Butler
Not for this moment.
- [138:16]
Pat McAfee
Ladies and gentlemen, a man who was once pancaked by AQ Shipley.
- [138:20]
Ty Schmidt
Jj.
- [138:24]
Pat McAfee
Ah, that was amazing. A break.
- [138:26]
Andy Reid
Yes.
- [138:27]
Pat McAfee
Hey, Q. This one goes in. You can pancake. Awesome. Perfect. Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, geez. I thought maybe you still had going in. You don't, though.
- [138:39]
Boston Connor
Turns out he didn't make one yesterday for a reason.
- [138:43]
Pat McAfee
Connor did a few hours of research after the show yesterday. Got into a couple rabbit holes. Yeah.
- [138:48]
Boston Connor
Where you go, brother?
- [138:49]
D. Butch
Change your opinion. All con man.
- [138:51]
Pat McAfee
Where. Where are you?
- [138:52]
Ty Schmidt
No, but he did change his name to Connor Jing Ping.
- [138:54]
Pat McAfee
That's true. True.
- [138:56]
Boston Connor
That's not true. I did not. Boy, oh, boy. They never went to the moon, Man. It's up.
- [139:03]
Pat McAfee
Happy Chinese New Year to you, Connor.
- [139:05]
Boston Connor
Thank you. You're the dragon.
- [139:07]
Pat McAfee
Interesting snake.
- [139:09]
J.J. Watt
Bruce is saying.
- [139:10]
Boston Connor
See, look. I don't know.
- [139:11]
Pat McAfee
Well, that's.
- [139:12]
D. Butch
That was gonna throw us off.
- [139:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [139:14]
Boston Connor
No, it wasn't. I saw a couple graphics and I was.
- [139:16]
Pat McAfee
Oh, that's a cool drink. Ty, you think about having a conversation with Conor about everything he learned the other.
- [139:19]
Ty Schmidt
I did, but I usually don't want to engage Chinese sympathizers too much, so I tend to just stay away. That's his truth. He can stick with it.
- [139:29]
Boston Connor
I ain't a CCP sympathizer.
- [139:30]
Pat McAfee
You guys playing that little video game console yesterday?
- [139:34]
Boston Connor
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [139:38]
D. Butch
Why don't you show it? You can show it. Show it on air sometime.
- [139:40]
Pat McAfee
No, it's on your feed right now. If you open up any social media feed. I don't know how they're able to market that. I don't know how. They're just shoving it in everybody's face. Hey, we've stolen everything from everybody that's ever created anything, and it's right here on one device for 75.99. That's right, the Swedes, huh?
- [139:57]
Ty Schmidt
Worth it. Yeah.
- [139:59]
Boston Connor
They're smart.
- [140:00]
Ty Schmidt
They are.
- [140:01]
Pat McAfee
The Swedes.
- [140:02]
AQ Shipley
Swedes, brilliant.
- [140:03]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. On the other side, we got in the trenches and everything. DB Good D, Bad D and maybe a little conflict of a play call in. Play call. Hey, Kush, what happened out there? What change?
- [140:16]
AQ Shipley
You think I'll still be mad about 2012?
- [140:19]
Boston Connor
I don't know.
- [140:21]
AQ Shipley
I don't know.
- [140:22]
Pat McAfee
I got it right here.
- [140:23]
Darius Butler
Got it right here to watch.
- [140:24]
Pat McAfee
Oh, who wants to see it?
- [140:27]
D. Butch
You know, when you cut to AQ early on, when the. In the whole scope, I said, okay, just. That's all real quiet.
- [140:35]
Pat McAfee
He was so mad. He's pissed.
- [140:36]
AQ Shipley
There was something like that that happened, I don't know, maybe 15 weeks ago. I went home, I was like, I'm fucking finding every goddamn clip I played against this guy for one goddamn moment.
- [140:46]
D. Butch
That's amazing.
- [140:47]
Pat McAfee
His pit stains got from his armpit down to his head. I was watching him grow. He's getting actually heated.
- [140:57]
AQ Shipley
So it's a new year, 2025, and you're thinking, how am I going to make this year different?
- [141:01]
Pat McAfee
How am I going to build something for myself?
- [141:04]
AQ Shipley
The best time to start your new business is right now, and Shopify is.
- [141:07]
Pat McAfee
How you're going to make it happen.
- [141:09]
AQ Shipley
Shopify makes it simple to create your brand open for business and get your first sale, get your store up and running easily with thousands of customizable templates.
- [141:17]
Pat McAfee
No coding or design skills required.
- [141:19]
AQ Shipley
All you need to do is drag and drop. Their powerful social media tools let you connect all your channels and create shoppable posts and help you sell everywhere people scroll.
- [141:28]
Pat McAfee
Shopify makes it easy to manage your growing business. They help with the details like shipping.
- [141:32]
AQ Shipley
Taxes and payments from one single dashboard, allowing you to focus on the important.
- [141:37]
Pat McAfee
Stuff like growing your business.
- [141:39]
AQ Shipley
What happens if you don't act now, will you regret it? What if someone beats you to the idea?
- [141:44]
Pat McAfee
Don't kick yourself when you hear this.
- [141:46]
AQ Shipley
Again in a year because you didn't do anything.
- [141:48]
Pat McAfee
Now with Shopify, your first sale is.
- [141:51]
AQ Shipley
Closer than you think. Established in 2025.
- [141:55]
Pat McAfee
Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
- [141:57]
AQ Shipley
Sign up for your $1 per month trial period@shopify.com network. All lowercase.
- [142:03]
Pat McAfee
Go to shopify.com network to start selling with Shopify today.
- [142:08]
AQ Shipley
Shopify.com network.
- [142:15]
Pat McAfee
What's the best time of day to get a deal? All day with Jack in the box's all day big deal meal. You get to choose from four entrees.
- [142:22]
Ty Schmidt
Like the supreme croissant and five tasty.
- [142:25]
Pat McAfee
Sides, plus a drink starting at $5.
- [142:28]
Ty Schmidt
So. So hurry in or take your time. You've got all day at Jack.
- [142:32]
Pat McAfee
Every bite's a big deal. Football. He's amazing. That's A.J. hawk. The talks and tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Let the ponies run. Run, man.
- [142:49]
Boston Connor
And our pony did all the way back to Baltimore. Chuck Pagano.
- [142:52]
Pat McAfee
Oh, is that the white horse there in the front?
- [142:54]
Boston Connor
Yeah, yeah, I guess so. That kind of just came to me when you said, let the ponies run.
- [142:58]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. We're gonna miss Chuck around here, aren't we? No.
- [143:00]
Boston Connor
Well, you know what? One less we have to worry about. Am I right?
- [143:05]
Pat McAfee
What do you. What do we worry about?
- [143:07]
Boston Connor
You know?
- [143:08]
Pat McAfee
No, I don't know.
- [143:10]
Boston Connor
Those Italian tricks.
- [143:12]
Pat McAfee
Oh, my. Come on. What about the donuts?
- [143:15]
Boston Connor
Exactly. One last day of him trying to fatten us up.
- [143:18]
Pat McAfee
I will say I thought about that as I was reading the news yesterday as it was made official that he was going back to Baltimore? I was like, what are we gonna do without. As we play drums on a microphone, what are we gonna do without the thousand donuts that are brought through this Thunderdome office every fall from Chuck Pagano? What are we gonna do without all the meetings that happen outside of the Thunderdome? What are we gonna do without everything that Chuck Pagano brings to the Thunderdome? I don't know, Ty. I legitimately don't know what we're gonna do with. Without him.
- [143:48]
Ty Schmidt
Me neither. Because some days, you know, I'll come in, didn't have a great night's sleep, and I popped that open. So that's the donut I asked for. I asked Chuck to make sure that. And. And you know, what's the first thing he gonna do if he pops open that box of donuts? And it's not a particularly good Batch. He said, okay, let me know whose ash do I need to get on.
- [144:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Because he'll call. He will.
- [144:06]
Ty Schmidt
He will call up there and say, this isn't right.
- [144:08]
Pat McAfee
We've actually had to craft this donut box to become what it has become. I feel like we finally got it right. Actually. Actually over years, years of years of crafting these donut boxes. We got a couple apple fritters.
- [144:19]
AQ Shipley
Yep.
- [144:19]
Pat McAfee
We got a couple frosties. We got a couple glazies. We got a couple sticksies. We got another box of these. Ease. I mean, it's really come together pretty nicely and I feel like in the last five weeks is really the time it's been correct more so than ever.
- [144:33]
Ty Schmidt
Never again. Although on the plus side, we aren't gonna have that, you know, screeching brain aneurysm noise when he leaves his hearing aids over there.
- [144:41]
Pat McAfee
Oh yeah. Cuz he's deaf. Yeah. We're going to miss him.
- [144:48]
Ty Schmidt
We are going to miss him.
- [144:49]
AQ Shipley
Bad times.
- [144:51]
Pat McAfee
Connor should do. Yeah. Nine year NFL vet Darius Tay Butler. We're going to miss him.
- [144:56]
Darius Butler
That guy's. Of course we're going to miss him. He went out on a great note though. Hit. Hit the shot.
- [145:00]
Pat McAfee
Oh yeah. Suck it.
- [145:03]
Ty Schmidt
You're right.
- [145:04]
Pat McAfee
Forgot about that.
- [145:05]
Boston Connor
With us below 500 record, is that going out on a high note?
- [145:08]
Pat McAfee
I don't know.
- [145:09]
Darius Butler
You guys tell me it's behind. She only good at your last shot.
- [145:13]
Pat McAfee
The books were cooking that guy. Okay. He had some ideas, they waffled a few different times. We all know what happens when he waffles. That's why Ms. Tina staying in Boise, he'll be out there in Baltimore.
- [145:22]
Boston Connor
Focus.
- [145:22]
Pat McAfee
Jimmy's Famous Seafood said he'll give him free crab cakes whenever he's out there. If it's for free, I'll take three. What? Chuck. Love that line. Never heard that line before. I'll certainly take that as my own going forward. 12 year NFL vet, Super bowl champion, a guy who got dunked on by J.J. watt today numerous times. Thank you. Yeah, I think you got the last laugh. I did see that video from 2012. You dumped him on his back.
- [145:45]
AQ Shipley
Thanks, dude. I appreciate it.
- [145:47]
Pat McAfee
I'm pretty proud of you.
- [145:48]
AQ Shipley
Thank you.
- [145:49]
Pat McAfee
The trenches. Obviously a place we like to visit every single week with you chit chatting about offensive line play and who's good, who's crop, who's great, who's not, who's going to win. Because they're big boys, their fatsos are able to move other bodies. Let's do one last one here. For championship weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to go in the trenches with AQ Ship.
- [146:12]
AQ Shipley
And then there was two. We are down to the final two teams. Put my readers on one team who has been among the absolute best all year. And then this team, and then this team, and then this team.
- [146:25]
Pat McAfee
You have not believed in the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line.
- [146:27]
AQ Shipley
No, but I will say this was the best this line has looked all year long. And they save it for a very important moment against a very good football team. And here's why I want to showcase this. We got three plays in this little sequence, right? And so whenever you look at this, see the two tight ends lined up in the backfield. We got Kelsey and Noah Gray. They came out with this. They have not shown this all year. They line up with two tight ends in the backfield and then Pacheco behind in the dot. They come out like this. They motion one over, comes like a diamond formation. It's first play. They send them both weak. You get a little plus five run. No big deal.
- [147:00]
Pat McAfee
Cool.
- [147:00]
AQ Shipley
We're just setting it up now. Let's go a couple plays later, do the exact same thing. Line up with two in the backfield. Send him over. Get the diamond formation. Now we're going to send them opposite. Still downhill. We get the Garden to tackle pool. And guess what? Kareem Hunt in the end zone look like a stud. Get him in the end zone right now. We go to the fourth quarter. Make it. Break it. Time. What do they think? Okay, we've shown it two ways. We've shown zone, we've shown counter. We're going to do the exact same thing. We're going to pull the guard and attack. We'll make it look like counter. Nope, keep it. Now the tight ends are your lead blockers. Momes. Touchdown.
- [147:33]
Pat McAfee
So that was all a setup? All of it.
- [147:35]
AQ Shipley
All of it.
- [147:35]
Pat McAfee
And that's the difference between calling a game and calling plays.
- [147:39]
AQ Shipley
That's exactly right. You set it up and like that first play might go for four.
- [147:42]
Pat McAfee
Cool.
- [147:42]
AQ Shipley
That's all right. We're just showing it. Now they're going to play. Now the guys are going to go back with the tight ends. Okay, cool. Next time we're going to run the counter. Now they're going to fly over the top thinking it's Mahomes or the tight ends go back this way and oh, nobody comes over here. Then the next time everybody goes with the counter and then Mahomes out the other side.
- [147:57]
Pat McAfee
AJ what's the conversation? Whenever they line up like that. Check, check, check. You guys are acting as if you have it figured out. You think that's what the Buffalo Bills defense did?
- [148:04]
D. Butch
Well, they're trying to. I would assume after the first time they showed that they go on the sideline. They're saying, hey, if they do this again, this is our adjustment. This is where you line up. This is where we make the close call, whatever, all of that stuff. So they're. The fact they hit him with it three times and it's three different. Three different plays and how they ran everything. Yeah, that. That could cause some confusion. Look at the Buffalo Bills. Look at everybody. Like, everybody trying to get on the same page here.
- [148:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Milano over to the left. That's where it was last time. Nope, gone. We're taking it the opposite direction. On the sideline, they're saying, how are we playing this? They can run it left or they can run it right. We're going to play balance now. We're going to play balance now. They could go either way here. We got it figured out. And then Patrick Mahomes says, oop, I'm going out the back door. Yup. See ya, Travis. Kelsey, lead block, and what a beautiful play. Yeah.
- [148:45]
Boston Connor
Milano. Milano is the only backer there, too.
- [148:48]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [148:48]
AQ Shipley
So they got a safety down. They got a nickel down. Right. And then basically Milano right there. The first time flies with the tight ends. The next time, he sees the counter and he's just stuck in that little hesitation enough for Mahomes.
- [148:59]
Pat McAfee
How do you stop it, D, bud?
- [149:01]
Darius Butler
I don't, though.
- [149:01]
Boston Connor
You shoot him in the head.
- [149:03]
D. Butch
Penetration. Penetration kills everybody, I guess.
- [149:06]
Pat McAfee
I guess shooting him in the head would work. It's going to be hard to get a gun out there.
- [149:11]
AQ Shipley
Can we go back to the. Can we go back to the first play of the zone? Just the one that went for five. So if you watch this. So let it run, let it run, let it run. And then you'll see Kelsey as both these tight ends go back. Right. So watch this. So there and then Kelsey fakes like there and then he goes out. Now watch that. See that?
- [149:27]
J.J. Watt
That.
- [149:27]
AQ Shipley
That's what's next off of this. You watch.
- [149:29]
Pat McAfee
Oh, they'll throw.
- [149:30]
AQ Shipley
There's gonna be a little throw off of this. Oh, yeah, that's exactly right.
- [149:33]
Boston Connor
Tell Philly.
- [149:34]
AQ Shipley
I don't know. It's gonna happen. Something. There's gonna be something else off of that.
- [149:38]
Darius Butler
Completely different.
- [149:39]
AQ Shipley
Yep. You know what I mean?
- [149:40]
Pat McAfee
Speaking of Philly, Philadelphia, we got the bunch right.
- [149:43]
AQ Shipley
You see A.J. brown right there at the point? He's got the toughest block we got to seal the edge. But guess what? Let's watch Malata first play the game, boys. First play the game. Washington has a nice drive. Couple fourth down conversions. They. They get points on the road in a playoff game. Nope. My lotta throws his ass down.
- [149:57]
Pat McAfee
Go, go.
- [149:58]
AQ Shipley
Saquon in space. Nobody can tackle him. See you later. First play of the game.
- [150:03]
Pat McAfee
Myotta is miked up for this and he. Go, son. Go, son.
- [150:07]
AQ Shipley
Starts.
- [150:07]
Pat McAfee
It is a great clip. Yeah, he starts laughing. He's run down there. Saquon special. But this offensive line sets it all up. I forget what the yardage was before contact, but he would like be the top three rusher in the NFL before contact, let alone everything else. Can we go back to the top of this particular play, Foxy? The important part is they're all on a string, aren't they? A Q.
- [150:26]
AQ Shipley
Absolutely. Absolutely. You get the down block and then. God, look. See that right there? That's huge right there. Smith going in motion because it takes the DB out of there, right? And then it's easy. Goddard out in front. Everybody else does what they do and they all just go. And nobody can tackle and secondary for Washington.
- [150:40]
Pat McAfee
What's that? D. Bu just.
- [150:41]
Darius Butler
That's tough stuff because you got two DB, probably three DBs. Had a chance to get him down, but you can't arm tackle them like you watch.
- [150:50]
AQ Shipley
Wagner too, right? Wagner gets caught in the. Caught in the down block here. Watch this.
- [150:54]
Darius Butler
Almost tore his damn neo.
- [150:55]
AQ Shipley
Boom right here. And then he just gets caught right there. And then he can't get over the top. He's the guy that should make that.
- [150:59]
Pat McAfee
Play almost hyper extended either.
- [151:01]
AQ Shipley
He might have.
- [151:02]
Pat McAfee
That's not good.
- [151:02]
AQ Shipley
Yeah.
- [151:04]
Pat McAfee
Make it a mush. And then Saquon Barkley takes it to the crib.
- [151:09]
AQ Shipley
And then the last play for the day. Let's take a look. Obviously Lane Johnson, the whole right side. Lane Johnson, Beckton and the center are all going to back block. They all got a down block, keep their guys sealed. We're pulling the backside as we pull.
- [151:21]
Pat McAfee
Boom.
- [151:22]
AQ Shipley
We get the guard kick out. Watch my lot on Wagner.
- [151:24]
Pat McAfee
Boom.
- [151:24]
AQ Shipley
Take him 10 yards. Keep going, keep going. Throw his ass on the ground.
- [151:27]
Pat McAfee
I was gain a six there, seven there.
- [151:29]
AQ Shipley
That's all right. We're just making our presence known by putting people on the ground.
- [151:32]
Pat McAfee
Myott is the real deal, huh?
- [151:34]
AQ Shipley
He's awesome. I mean, he's absolutely awesome. Their whole offensive line is awesome. But what my lot has been able to do, do coming over being kind of a project and Turning into an all pro tackle. Absolute dog.
- [151:43]
Pat McAfee
He was. What, Rugby player. Yeah. Good feet. Here's the clip of the first play of the game here of Myata enjoying the hell out of Saquon. Celebrate. Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate. Let's celebrate. It's too far away. We're gonna kick the extra point. All right. I'll stay over here. That's a fun group, man.
- [152:13]
AQ Shipley
Awesome.
- [152:13]
Pat McAfee
That's a very fun group. Hey, that's great in trenches. Aq, let's go. Db. Good D, bad D. Let's go, let's go.
- [152:20]
Darius Butler
Let's get to it. Just like aq. It's only two teams on here. The final two. This is the blitz we've been talking about. Fourth and five, Spags got the corner blitz up top just to execute. Corner blitz, you see? And then up top, Karloff is also getting out to that edge, forcing Josh Allen to pull up so he's not able to extend his play and break that pocket and avoid the blitz, pull up and then obviously make this throw. And Kinkaid drops the damn ball. But you cannot run it back to the beginning. So we talked about this, obviously ad nauseam at this point, but when you come out with this condensed split, this cut split, you make it easy for the defense to not only disguise, but to execute this blitz. You got Reed coming up the middle. You got McDuffie coming off the edge, ends up in the B gap with Reed. I know AQ protection standpoint, is there any way you guys can pick this up? If they saw this pre snap.
- [153:11]
AQ Shipley
So the. The. It's. It's such a pipe dream to say, but if we just take a look down here at the bottom. Right. Stop right there. Three DBs, right? You got the two DBs up. Up close, and then you got the safety behind. There's three. And how many receivers do we have?
- [153:23]
Darius Butler
Four.
- [153:23]
AQ Shipley
Four. Three over four. That tells you somebody else has to drop into coverage, right? So you think it's either going to be Bolton or you think it's going to drop this dn, which also tells you AJ Right? It's going to be some form of a zone pressure, right? And so if that's the case, a quarterback can sit there and make a rip call, but you don't know if it's going to be the D end. You also don't know, with Bolton having a piece of the center. Piece of the center meaning right here on his shoulder, that you don't know which one of those two are going to be the dropper.
- [153:49]
Pat McAfee
Center.
- [153:50]
AQ Shipley
So it's tough for a quarterback pre snap to make a rip call. If you make a rip call now, you full slide, right? But even if you do make the rip call, every single one of them from left guard over has to fight through one to get to another. So to sit here and be like, there's a lot of talking heads out there saying, yeah, I just got to fix protection. Well, in order to fix protection, it sounds like a pipe dream to me because you got to push through people, which is hard because if they even come anywhere up the up the field at all, you can't get through that guy to get to the next.
- [154:17]
Pat McAfee
Well, then you got Chris Jones down here on an island. Not the Dion Dawkins isn't ready for it. But that's a whole different animal by itself.
- [154:23]
AQ Shipley
Bingo. That's exactly right.
- [154:25]
Pat McAfee
What a play. Great call by Spaghetti.
- [154:27]
Darius Butler
Yeah, I mean, that's nuts for him to even get that. That throw off. And Kinkay have a shot at catching it. That was incredible by Josh, but great job, great execution by the defense. And the corner can only come if it's going to be a split safety line looks moving on to the next play. Speaking of this defense, Philadelphia Eagles. We always talk about next man up. Nicole Dean went down a couple weeks ago, tore his knee up. He'll be out for the rest of the playoffs. Orin Burks has stepped up and done a tremendous job. They did a good job against Jaden last week in the NFC championship game. Watch Nolan Smith off the edge with the bootleg, pulls the quarterback up once again. Orin Burks pulls his trigger, gets him down on the ground. If you run it back to the beginning one more time down here at the bottom of the screen. Big play, Slay. They wanted a double move down here. Big play. Slay is all over this. If you watch the bottom of the screen, I think it's Diami Brown running this comeback. And go all over it. He's not there. D line does their job, linebacker pulls his trigger, gets the quarterback on the ground. So on every level of this defense, they're clicking on all cylinders. 10 takeaways right now. No giveaways on offense. That's a recipe for success. And that's how you put up 55 points to beat the absolute dog shit out of the commanders. That wasn't a takeaway there, but this next play here, the exciting white along with Zach Bond. You see where Zach Bond is that pre snap now you run this play. Diami Brown's coming over in motion. He's going to get this pass. Boom. Quick screen pass. Just watch the pursuit from this whole defense and then the punch out from 53 and 33. I don't know who's going to get crazy. I don't know who's going to get credit it if it's going to be Zach or Cooper because Coop is kind of pulling at it too. And I've been in these positions. I'm sure AJ probably has been in these some of these sideline conversations with, hey, I was punching it. Hey, I was pulling it. Who was going to get the credit for it? The violence of the punch. I think Zach Bond will probably get the credit, but Cooper Dean was also punching and gnawing at it as well.
- [156:19]
Pat McAfee
So let's talk about that. Is that would that be a half the give halves?
- [156:24]
D. Butch
No, I don't think they don't give half.
- [156:25]
Pat McAfee
Half.
- [156:25]
D. Butch
Cause fumbles. No.
- [156:27]
Pat McAfee
So you got half sacks, obviously.
- [156:28]
Darius Butler
Half sacks and which you've heard and you've seen people argue. Oh yeah. Argue about those wanting a full and.
- [156:34]
Pat McAfee
Wanting to have But Cooper Jean saying, you, you didn't even touch the ball. My hand is the only one to touch the ball.
- [156:39]
Ty Schmidt
You can see his hand's the one that kind of scoops it out.
- [156:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think that's one exciting whites zero. Bond. I, I, I'm not 100% sure Coop's.
- [156:47]
Ty Schmidt
A team guy, so he don't give a But I do. Coupe de Jean forced that fumble and I just want that to be known right there.
- [156:57]
Pat McAfee
You have on the record. On the record what, who was it given to? Do we know?
- [157:00]
Darius Butler
I don't know.
- [157:02]
Pat McAfee
We should look that up.
- [157:03]
Boston Connor
I'm assuming Bond.
- [157:04]
Darius Butler
Everybody's been saying Bond though. They said it on the, on the broadcast.
- [157:07]
Pat McAfee
He doesn't even touch the ball, though. Don't even touch it. No, I, I would like to. I wish it was a halfer. I wish I could give it a half and it was great. They should set it up maybe a little bit more. Bond got the credit. Yeah.
- [157:17]
Boston Connor
Bond got the credit.
- [157:18]
Pat McAfee
Yep. How do you feel about it, Ty?
- [157:20]
Ty Schmidt
Again, you know, coup don't give a And guess what Super Bowl Sunday is his 22nd birthday. So, I mean, he's got a special play in his holster still, so he won't worry about it. He's just going to go out and do the dirty work, do the things that, you know, no one's asking him to do. But I mean, when he started playing this Eagles defense kind of went to a new level.
- [157:38]
Pat McAfee
So, you know, happy birthday to he and Saquon Barkley celebrating a birthday on February 9th. Super bowl birthdays, two of them on the same team. You would assume that would bode well for them. Do we have some bad D here?
- [157:50]
Darius Butler
Some bad D. And this is kind of along the same theme that AQ is on with sequences of some of these plays. The third down in the second half, you'll see Hollywood Brown watch Kyra Elam down here. So we always talk about getting on different levels. We pause it here in man to man coverage. The reason you get on different levels, especially against bunches and stacks, is because you want two avoid the picks. And Elam does a terrible job here avoiding the pick, allowing Hollywood Brown to get free on this third and four. You saw the trip sponge and you saw Perrine kind of leak out from the backfield there on this play as well. But now once you get the pick, you get a free runner. So right here, pause it. Final formation, you got Perrine the back. So it's a four by one. You got the back offset to there as well. You got the pick. Route crossers with the back coming to the flat. You run it third and four, you get Hollywood Brown free here. Boom, Big third down, conversion to go. Put some points on the board. Now you fast forward to the end of the game, the third nine, boom. You get a shift. So you come out in one formation, is four by one to the boundary. Now they shift to the field. Very similar concept. Now you got a bunch of these crosses become picks. You bring pariah from the opposite side of the field and he gets the biggest first down of the game to pretty much seal this one. So everything Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, this offense is doing, it seems like they're kind of setting you up from when it matters most in the fourth quarter to kind of put the games away. So once again, great execution, great play calls. Bernard's right here, he's trying to cover the back. You're never going to get through all that traffic.
- [159:22]
Pat McAfee
They're playing chess, not checkers.
- [159:24]
Boston Connor
Always doesn't matter that he starts to the right of Mahomes leaking to the left flat.
- [159:28]
Darius Butler
That makes it a little tougher. But where Bernard was alignment wise, I feel like he was in a pretty good spot alignment wise. But it's just that traffic like you bringing three guys in and their job is really. They're not even really trying to get open. Like they're just trying to run in his pathway without actually hitting him so they don't get called for the opi. And then I just got to get out there. Yep.
- [159:50]
Pat McAfee
Dee.
- [159:50]
D. Butch
But sorry, sorry. But when I watch like him, he and Milano are two on one on that back. I guess the only thing thing I guess he could have done is they would like in and out and both of them have outside leverage. And if he like went and got up on the line of scrimmage like off to the right. I've done that in the past. If you're beat to the flat like that, like say 4, 3 goes up there on the edge on the right and he's like, hey, if he comes back across the ball like I, I got him here, obviously you protect me. Milano, if he breaks back inside, you got him then.
- [160:16]
Darius Butler
Yeah. You're saying pre snapping. Yeah. Just to go all the way outside of that defensive end. Basically.
- [160:25]
D. Butch
Yeah, you're basically playing the play which you can't really do. But if you have help inside, I guess you could have. Like I said, this is like just watching this over in real time. That's almost impossible to do. But if they showed that before and they had like worked on it, something you could possibly do.
- [160:39]
Pat McAfee
Oh, you're saying that he should have won all the way outside as if he was just completely remove.
- [160:44]
D. Butch
Take the pick out of it. Like, hey, if he comes across, if that back comes across the ball, I'm up here in the line of scrimmage. I'm basically grabbing him as soon as he clears the tackle box.
- [160:53]
Pat McAfee
And P. Rine being the guy, does that change anything for them? AJ because he's obviously not like a star player for the Kansas City Chiefs.
- [160:59]
D. Butch
I mean, I don't know, maybe it may get your antenna up a little bit. Like, hey, something weird might be coming here.
- [161:05]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So like whenever the Colts did this with our third string running back game on the line, season on the line, everybody said, what a dipshit, why would you do that? But that was actually part of it was like, yeah, nobody thinks you're going to the fourth string running back there. He's actually wide open. He's in the NFL. He should be able to catch the ball. Was kind of thought P. Ryan. Nobody thought P. Ryan was getting the ball right there in my eyes.
- [161:28]
Darius Butler
I mean their offense, obviously you got Travis Kelce and you know, Worthy's the first round pick this year, but you never know who's going to be that guy. That was. It could be D Hop. It could be juju.
- [161:38]
Pat McAfee
No, it could be grave.
- [161:39]
Darius Butler
Like watch like you don't know. And Pierron, he was in on the third and four earlier too so maybe he's their third down back, but you never know who that guy's gonna be. It's not like they're just centered around one guy in their passing game. So it's difficult. You gotta be on point.
- [161:54]
Pat McAfee
Biggest play of the season, who's gonna get it? Samaji Piran, obviously.
- [161:58]
Darius Butler
Of course.
- [161:58]
Pat McAfee
We knew that for the Kansas City Chiefs. Hey, great everything. Db. Db. All right, before we get out of here, a, you know, you've had a day today.
- [162:07]
Boston Connor
Tough one.
- [162:08]
Darius Butler
Great day.
- [162:09]
Pat McAfee
I thought it was a great day, too.
- [162:10]
J.J. Watt
Yeah, great day.
- [162:11]
Pat McAfee
I thought you've had a great day. There's been some moments.
- [162:13]
Boston Connor
Great days can be tough.
- [162:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. But I didn't think it was a tough day. I thought you had a good day today. I thought before the show. Great energy over there.
- [162:21]
AQ Shipley
Thank you. Thank you.
- [162:22]
Pat McAfee
I think J sent a couple at you and you handled it pretty well. I think you even pulled up a Favorites video. You thought about it? We went and did a little trip down nostalgia lane.
- [162:33]
AQ Shipley
Yeah.
- [162:34]
Pat McAfee
Now all you got to do is just win 30 people. 500 bucks.
- [162:36]
Boston Connor
You go. Kyush.
- [162:37]
Pat McAfee
What are you going to do? You going to throw a football?
- [162:39]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, of course.
- [162:39]
Pat McAfee
Hey, listen, this is the last one of the season here. Why don't you go ahead and do.
- [162:42]
Boston Connor
This for the people need it.
- [162:43]
Pat McAfee
On this winter Wednesday, AJ Hawk has a message of hope for you, aq.
- [162:49]
D. Butch
You know, you guys took Jim Knowles away from the Ohio State Buckeyes. Hopefully he can help you guys reach your dreams next year.
- [162:55]
Pat McAfee
He grew up in Philly. He said, not the suburbs of Philly either. North Philly, right in subway downtown. So he said waking up in the morning on Sundays, it was always Penn State football. It's great to be back. You guys are willing to pay whatever to get whoever, huh? Is that what's going on up there in Penn State?
- [163:11]
AQ Shipley
Hey, we're all in. We are all in. And we are going. We are. I can't wait to see who they get in the spring. Spring transfer portal. Is that still a thing?
- [163:17]
Pat McAfee
Yes, it is. There's another week open in April.
- [163:20]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, we're going to get three more guys. I can't wait. We are in.
- [163:23]
Pat McAfee
I thought he was going to Oklahoma if he was going to leave Ohio State. Instead, he ends up at Penn State. You guys are just willing to do whatever, huh?
- [163:30]
AQ Shipley
They threw the money at him and sounds like he wasn't appreciated very much at Ohio State.
- [163:35]
Pat McAfee
Sounds at all about age.
- [163:36]
Boston Connor
I didn't like him.
- [163:37]
D. Butch
I don't know. I mean, I guess not to the Tune of three point some million a year, I guess, huh?
- [163:42]
Pat McAfee
Well, I mean, money is certainly a way to showcase how much you care about somebody. And they said it was well below 3 million is what Ohio State's offer was. You can stay with the national champs, but it's going to be 1.5. 1.5. How about it? They said he wasn't incorporating enough of.
- [163:59]
AJ Hawk
Bobby Carpenter's stuff on the D. There's.
- [164:01]
Pat McAfee
A chance General Bob Carpenter wasn't happy with everything that was taking place. Won a national championship, though, with Ohio. I hope bygones can be bygones and they can celebrate that thing together. You guys actually gonna make a run at this or what?
- [164:12]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, yeah, we're in.
- [164:14]
Pat McAfee
We're all in.
- [164:14]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, we were there. Should offer safe, screwed it up.
- [164:17]
Ty Schmidt
Million who save Saban, offer him 30 million a year.
- [164:20]
AQ Shipley
I don't hate that. We bring everybody, get everybody, spend the money.
- [164:25]
Pat McAfee
There's a chance Pat Kraft would do that, too. He's the type of guy that would potentially happen upon Saban and just go, what. What is the number? 30, 40, 50 million.
- [164:32]
AQ Shipley
Sounds like Saban wants no part of this college landscape anymore, though, right?
- [164:35]
Pat McAfee
He's. I mean, he's certainly a massive piece of it with game day and everything he's doing behind the scenes. I think he's trying to shape it.
- [164:40]
AQ Shipley
I'm saying coaching.
- [164:41]
Pat McAfee
I think he's trying to shape it so that, like, teams can't just offer millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars to everybody to kind of change their roster. And I think he's talking directly about the Penn State and any lines.
- [164:51]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, I mean, there were some other people doing that this year.
- [164:53]
Pat McAfee
Penn State, though, right? Back in the game. Whenever you're able to utilize what the alumni.
- [164:57]
AQ Shipley
I mean, if everybody. If everybody's doing it, you got. You got to go.
- [165:00]
Boston Connor
Yeah, we'll see.
- [165:01]
AQ Shipley
We gotta go.
- [165:01]
Pat McAfee
They're doing it better than everybody up there in Penn State. I tried to mention on game day. I've told you're the one that basically was giving me this information. Then when I started doing my own research and chitchat with the people, it's like, yeah, yeah, Penn State might be the most active in its entire. Everybody's talking Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, everything like that. Penn State might be the most. Hey, yeah, we hear what they're doing. Let's double it.
- [165:22]
AQ Shipley
Well, I don't think they were a year ago.
- [165:23]
Pat McAfee
I agree.
- [165:24]
AQ Shipley
You know, I think that was like the thing. And then it was like, okay, if we're doing this we got to buy in. We got to go.
- [165:30]
Pat McAfee
So your wrestling team hasn't lost in years, right? Yeah.
- [165:33]
AQ Shipley
They are unbelievable.
- [165:34]
Pat McAfee
Okay, how is they play?
- [165:36]
AQ Shipley
Is it I. With this week?
- [165:37]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, huge. One, two.
- [165:38]
AQ Shipley
Yeah.
- [165:39]
Pat McAfee
What would that be on tv? Big Ten Network.
- [165:40]
Ty Schmidt
Big Ten Network, probably.
- [165:41]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. What night? I actually will watch that Saturday.
- [165:45]
Ty Schmidt
I. Yeah, I think it's Saturday night.
- [165:47]
Pat McAfee
But be tough on Saturday night to watch that. Yeah, but I would want to watch it.
- [165:51]
Ty Schmidt
If you're going to watch a wrestling meet all year, that would be the one to watch.
- [165:54]
AQ Shipley
And the Iowa kid was talking.
- [165:55]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. So Penn State, guys, there's, like, genuine. I don't know if it's bad blood, because I think both programs respect each other quite a bit, but, like, this has turned, you know, like, Iowa was just the best team in the nation for so long, and then Cal Sanderson got to Penn State, and, like, now they are the best. Like, so there's like a genuine rivalry.
- [166:14]
Pat McAfee
It's on Friday night. Maybe watch it Friday night. Okay, Friday night. Big Ten network. Tone, I just saw Friday night. Let me look.
- [166:22]
Ty Schmidt
What network is it in Iowa City? Is it at Carver or is it not? Sure.
- [166:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, they need to. Big Ten network. Check Big Ten Network. Friday night suite. They need to move. Move. Matt Madness. And I know that that is probably a time that has been set. They should not be trying to compete against March Madness with that. The Matt Madness, which is the national championship for wrestling. Electric.
- [166:42]
Ty Schmidt
It's incredible.
- [166:43]
Pat McAfee
Happened upon it one time when there was shitty games for March Madness, and I'm just kind of changing the channel, and it's like, Matt Madness. Come check it out. It's like gladiators coming in there. And it is in. Penn State dominated the whole. Fuck every weight class. Penn State. State one at all. Which I think is a piece of the pack. Craft specialty. Right. Like, we want to win. Everything is kind of everything.
- [167:03]
AQ Shipley
I mean, like, you. You mentioned it yesterday. I know basketball is not there yet, but they're on their way.
- [167:07]
Pat McAfee
Women's volleyball, they're spending a lot of money on basketball.
- [167:09]
AQ Shipley
Women's volleyball, they're back. Like, they were awesome when I was there. Kind of took a dip, and they won it again this year. So everybody's. Everybody's going.
- [167:16]
Pat McAfee
They're spending a lot of money on their sports. Yeah. And I think it's because the athletic director is working. He's working his ass off to get it happen. And I'm not saying every athletic director can do that. Obviously, Penn State has a lot more alumni they can reach out to but he is.
- [167:28]
AQ Shipley
Oh yeah.
- [167:29]
Pat McAfee
He's reaching out to all of them.
- [167:30]
AQ Shipley
Every one of them.
- [167:31]
Pat McAfee
Speakeasy down there in the stadium.
- [167:32]
AQ Shipley
It's a pretty cool idea.
- [167:34]
Pat McAfee
It is a great idea.
- [167:34]
Boston Connor
Genius.
- [167:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. You give 10 million, you get an opportunity to go to speakeasy down here. How about it? Get free parking.
- [167:41]
Boston Connor
Worth it.
- [167:42]
Pat McAfee
Worth it. 10 million.
- [167:43]
Boston Connor
Team's good.
- [167:44]
AQ Shipley
Bring 15 of your friends in, have some drinks.
- [167:46]
Pat McAfee
What is the stadium? 700 million. Yeah, and that's not, I mean it.
- [167:50]
AQ Shipley
Looks like a Lego set right now. It's needed a facelift on the outside now though. Now they're getting it.
- [167:54]
Pat McAfee
But it's not loans. That's not 700 million in loans. That's money that they just getting cash. Who are all these people?
- [168:02]
AQ Shipley
I mean they're. There's obviously Pegula is the biggest. That's Buffalo Bills, that's Buffalo Sabres. I just saw there's a Skyler, which there, I think the honors college at Penn State's name does after him. C S C H U Y L E R they just donated like a, like a 10 mil gift or something.
- [168:22]
Pat McAfee
Oh, so I get the speakeasy access.
- [168:24]
Boston Connor
Smart.
- [168:25]
Pat McAfee
That's good.
- [168:25]
Darius Butler
Good on them.
- [168:26]
Pat McAfee
Get a chance to get in. Skyler knows I want to get speak easy. Yeah. Good for Pat Craft dog football guy. Penn State, one of the top ad jobs I assume in the country.
- [168:36]
AQ Shipley
You would have to imagine, right? I mean they've been good in a ton of sports. They're in every, I mean every single sport there they got a chance to win it.
- [168:45]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [168:45]
AJ Hawk
Basketball team was a bit of a letdown this season.
- [168:48]
Pat McAfee
They spent a lot of money on that team too.
- [168:49]
AJ Hawk
I think three and seven in the Big Ten. They've kind of been shy because remember.
- [168:53]
Pat McAfee
We were walking, we the meetings were in the basketball arena and as we're walking around shaking hands they're like, yeah, investing big in basketball.
- [169:00]
AQ Shipley
There was high hopes. I mean I think they started off 12 and 2.
- [169:04]
Ty Schmidt
They're coming off being good too. Like they were good and then they're coach went to Notre Dame so they kind of had to like, you know, figure things out again. So I would assume in a couple years.
- [169:12]
Pat McAfee
Like is that the light skinned dude? The one over to Notre Dame?
- [169:14]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Micah Shrewberry.
- [169:15]
Pat McAfee
He was cool. He came and talked to us whenever we were up in Notre Dame. Yeah, I remember he was. How's Notre Dame's basketball team?
- [169:20]
Ty Schmidt
They stink, I believe.
- [169:21]
Pat McAfee
Oh, okay.
- [169:22]
Ty Schmidt
But they play too, which is a, you know, very tough conference.
- [169:26]
Pat McAfee
Got it. Who? Acc still the best basketball Conference.
- [169:30]
Ty Schmidt
Duke's unbelievable this year.
- [169:31]
AJ Hawk
SEC is very good.
- [169:34]
Pat McAfee
I saw PIT beat North Carolina last night.
- [169:35]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, that was big win for them.
- [169:37]
Pat McAfee
Big game.
- [169:38]
AJ Hawk
Kentucky beat Tennessee, is a ten and a half point favorite last night as well. Tennessee's only lost four games all year.
- [169:43]
Pat McAfee
How is college hoops this year?
- [169:44]
AJ Hawk
It's been pretty good. It's starting to heat up the sec. Like, old Ms. Is good. There's some other teams that are really good.
- [169:49]
Pat McAfee
Chris Beard.
- [169:50]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, they're going.
- [169:51]
Pat McAfee
Who would have thought Beard would have his team rolling?
- [169:54]
AJ Hawk
Alabama's good again.
- [169:55]
Pat McAfee
Michigan State's on absolute.
- [169:57]
AQ Shipley
How's Arkansas?
- [169:58]
AJ Hawk
Arkansas. People aren't loving Cal that much, but Arkansas is all right.
- [170:02]
Pat McAfee
What do you mean they're not loving Cal?
- [170:03]
Darius Butler
What the hell is Yukon?
- [170:05]
AJ Hawk
Yukon's lost five.
- [170:06]
Boston Connor
They've fallen off a cliff.
- [170:08]
AQ Shipley
Yeah.
- [170:08]
Ty Schmidt
And people are starting to kill Hurley.
- [170:10]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I heard. Because he said, I'm the best coach.
- [170:11]
Ty Schmidt
In America and he's just going apeshit at refs, like, every single night.
- [170:16]
Pat McAfee
And then he says, I'm not changing.
- [170:18]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I blacked out. I don't remember saying that. That's what he said after he said, I'm the best coach in the sport. Don't turn your back on me.
- [170:24]
Pat McAfee
That was in a press conference. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think he did a. I think he did a podcast or something afterwards and he said, I don't think we should be trying to soften sports. Are you going to change weight?
- [170:34]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [170:35]
Pat McAfee
No.
- [170:35]
Darius Butler
It's my coach.
- [170:36]
Pat McAfee
I am who I am. Is basically what he said.
- [170:39]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [170:40]
Pat McAfee
I love it.
- [170:40]
Darius Butler
It's my coach.
- [170:41]
Pat McAfee
I love everything about it. Anybody that is not scared to be themselves is. I'm a fan. Which is why we hope that goober down there in Jacksonville has success. If that's who he is all the time, we're pulling for him.
- [170:52]
Darius Butler
Are you out on the tour?
- [170:55]
AQ Shipley
I think I'm out.
- [170:58]
Pat McAfee
You don't even have an offensive line coaching. You could get a job.
- [171:02]
AQ Shipley
Heard some things. I don't like it.
- [171:05]
Boston Connor
Jeez.
- [171:06]
Pat McAfee
I know you made your. Your opinions known. Earlier in the hour, I saw a couple of Jacksonville people say it's a tired narrative. The people in Tampa aren't even mad at him anymore.
- [171:16]
AQ Shipley
That's interesting.
- [171:18]
Chuck Pagano
Yeah.
- [171:19]
Pat McAfee
But, hey, time heals all wounds. Just like Liam said to Rick Strat.
- [171:24]
Ty Schmidt
In that interview, honesty is the best policy.
- [171:26]
Boston Connor
Boom.
- [171:27]
Pat McAfee
He said that to the local? Yeah. What was that one he was wearing?
- [171:30]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, massive microphone.
- [171:32]
Pat McAfee
Was he doing a European. Was that a European interview?
- [171:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, the European soccer hit, I believe.
- [171:37]
Boston Connor
Sky Sports.
- [171:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. What's Jacksonville. You never know.
- [171:39]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [171:39]
Pat McAfee
Because they own also.
- [171:40]
Ty Schmidt
Exactly.
- [171:41]
Pat McAfee
Arsenal over there.
- [171:42]
Ty Schmidt
That's the only way that he can really, at least for me, be like, this is a guy guy. If he shows up one of these nights and chokes. Choke slams Chris Jericho, like through a table at aew.
- [171:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [171:53]
Ty Schmidt
And I'll be like, okay, okay.
- [171:54]
Pat McAfee
Never mind. Maybe Liam's a guy.
- [171:57]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, maybe this guy's a guy.
- [171:58]
Pat McAfee
What did Urban gave a computer to Chris Jericho? He did keyboard, Keyboard, keyboard to utilize. That didn't end up working out, but should have given the computer.
- [172:06]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he should have.
- [172:07]
Pat McAfee
What soccer team do they own down there, Gump?
- [172:11]
AJ Hawk
Good question. Question. I forget.
- [172:12]
Pat McAfee
Ajax. No, they own some soccer team.
- [172:15]
AQ Shipley
Tampa's Man United, right?
- [172:17]
Pat McAfee
No, I'm talking about.
- [172:19]
AQ Shipley
Yeah, Tampa's Man United. Is that right?
- [172:22]
Pat McAfee
Maybe Fulham. Is it Fulham?
- [172:24]
Ty Schmidt
Fulham.
- [172:24]
AJ Hawk
They're actually. Fulham's having a very good season. Better than they were supposed to this year.
- [172:27]
Pat McAfee
Well, that's where Tony's been spending all his time. His chief football strategist. He's spending all his time with Fulham. He's talking that football.
- [172:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [172:36]
Pat McAfee
Chief American football strategist. They need to call him the Cavs.
- [172:39]
Ty Schmidt
Right.
- [172:40]
Pat McAfee
Said Justice. All right, Aush. Let's win something.
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AQ Shipley
Here we go.
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Pat McAfee
A.J. anything positive to say other than a condescending shot about them taking a defense coordinator to Penn State?
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D. Butch
I was not condescending. I was truly congratulating him. But no. AQ does look jacked. He looks like he could do 46 reps at 225 right now.
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Pat McAfee
Could you do more or less 225 than Tim Tebow?
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D. Butch
Oh, man.
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AQ Shipley
What did Tim Tebow do?
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Pat McAfee
He said he could do 30 to 35.
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AQ Shipley
I did 33 at the combine.
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Pat McAfee
So could you do more now or.
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AQ Shipley
No, probably less now. Tim can do 35 right now.
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Pat McAfee
He said 30 is the only.
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D. Butch
Maybe 40. Maybe 40.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. I think he's actually doing them. He's like, that's.
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AQ Shipley
That's his training program.
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Pat McAfee
Max weights he's doing. Matt, he's trying to lift the most amount of weight possible. What do you tell you, aj? Why are we lifting if we're not trying to lift the most amount of weight? Oh, yeah.
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D. Butch
He got, like, offended when I mentioned something about high reps. High rat. Who's doing reps? I'm lifting heavy. Heaviest thing I can lift.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. He's gonna come in here and do 225 test, actually. See if he can get over 30, I believe. Geez, you got those little baby arms, though. Yeah.
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AQ Shipley
Still gotta get it. Still Gotta get off your chest. You still gotta lock it out.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. Yeah, but your little baby arms help. Whenever you got a big barrel chest, you got the little arms, you only gotta move, what, four inches or something.
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AQ Shipley
What do you think the hardest part of a bench press is?
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Pat McAfee
Moving its first 4 inches right off the chest.
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AQ Shipley
What do you think the hardest part of a squatting is?
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Pat McAfee
Getting off the ground.
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AQ Shipley
Bingo.
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AJ Hawk
Maybe we have a bench off you and Tim Tebow. Yep.
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Pat McAfee
There it is.
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AQ Shipley
Let's do it.
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Pat McAfee
Why don't you prepare for that? Why don't you get like a month of preparation for that?
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AQ Shipley
Done.
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Boston Connor
Okay.
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AQ Shipley
You set it up, I'm there.
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Pat McAfee
It'll be here.
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AJ Hawk
J might want in.
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Pat McAfee
Does JJ do any 225?
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D. Butch
Sure, he can do a bunch.
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Boston Connor
How many. How many weights you got?
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Ty Schmidt
25.
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Darius Butler
Enough weights for him, J.
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Pat McAfee
He's got those long ass arms. That. That is not a.
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D. Butch
You still do 30 plus.
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Pat McAfee
I like that AQ. She's like, okay, we're acting like that's the hard part. Hey, you. You still move to 25 a bunch. We're live. How many? Like 30?
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J.J. Watt
Yeah, I probably hit about 30 right now.
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Pat McAfee
All right, we're gonna have a 225 bench contest between you, AQ, and Tim Tebow. Okay.
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J.J. Watt
When?
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Pat McAfee
All right. Got like a month and a half, six weeks.
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J.J. Watt
All right.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. All right, Sweet. Thank you, judge. We appreciate you. All right. Of course he can.
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Darius Butler
It's got to be to make you.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Thank you. This is.
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AQ Shipley
Training starts tomorrow.
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Boston Connor
Yeah. Get a photo of him on your wall.
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Pat McAfee
You lose to J.J. and Tim Tebow. Oh, buddy, that'd be a tough day.
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AQ Shipley
Tough day.
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Pat McAfee
Tim Tebow's been preparing since we mentioned it to him the other day. I bet you he's just.
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Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [175:16]
Boston Connor
Since he's been out of the league, he's so.
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Pat McAfee
All right, here we go. That's a different day, though. Today it's all about putting that football, The Baby Duke 2.0, which is available now at store.batman show.com, into that hoop right over there. If you're able to do it 30 people, win $500 AQ. Do it for the people. Do it for yourself. Do it for Penn State. Do it for the good of the world. Bald head, big dreams. Overshoots it. He's all jacked up, the thinking about the 225. Ty Schmidt actually has a message for you as you attempt to win 30 people 500.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, dude, you gotta make this because otherwise JJ is probably gonna text you later and he's Gonna be like, hey, not only do you not know about football and blitzes and stuff like that, but you also can't throw a football into a hoop, which I could do. And I'm. Now I'm gonna beat your ass in the bench press competition.
- [176:03]
Pat McAfee
Jeez, that's a triple whammy. You don't want that AQ Shipley. 30 people, 500. All you can do is put that Baby Dude 2.0 into that hoop right over there. Hey, Kush for the. Yeah. How'd that not go in? I don't know where that went, to be honest. I don't know where that went. Did that go on near side or far side? Far side, far side, far side. That was up. That was. Hey, it's up. That's up.
- [176:26]
Ty Schmidt
Look at the mark on the backboard.
- [176:28]
Pat McAfee
That's exactly where you're trying to throw the ball.
- [176:30]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [176:31]
Pat McAfee
You know, sometimes. Sometimes that's the way life goes. Sometimes you do everything right and still ends up bad. That's why your next shot's your best shot. That's why you can't stop getting into the batter's box. That's why you can't let one little thing drag down the next thing. That's why if you make that 30 people, $500, all you gotta do is put that baby Duke 2.0 into that hoop right over there, and 30 people's lives will be better because of AQ ship.
- [176:58]
Ty Schmidt
Lex, take a little juice off. Take a little juice off.
- [177:02]
AQ Shipley
Come on.
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Pat McAfee
She had a perfect throw. You let. You let 1, loss, 2. Boston. Connor has a message for you to really bring your spirits into a place where you win. 30 people, 500.
- [177:11]
Boston Connor
You know, JJ mentioned a few things during his time. You know what? He also mentioned he doesn't have what you have. That's super boring.
- [177:20]
Pat McAfee
And we.
- [177:21]
Boston Connor
We didn't go to the moon. But you did win a Super Bowl.
- [177:24]
Pat McAfee
That's right. We don't know if you did.
- [177:28]
Boston Connor
Yeah, he said it. That's right. Take us to the moon, Connor.
- [177:34]
AQ Shipley
Connor said he went down the rabbit hole. Didn't happen.
- [177:36]
Boston Connor
There's no chance. And we won't get into that.
- [177:38]
Ty Schmidt
But he don't believe.
- [177:40]
AQ Shipley
He don't believe.
- [177:41]
Ty Schmidt
Why don't you go down a rabbit hole yourself?
- [177:43]
AQ Shipley
I'm going down it tonight. Right now.
- [177:45]
Boston Connor
I'm being influenced into making this.
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Pat McAfee
Here we go. 30 people, 500 hundred dollars. He's got no shot in 20. 25.
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D. Butch
He's got it.
- [177:57]
Pat McAfee
AQ Shipley. 30 people, 500. All you gotta do is repost this post. Say something nice to somebody and put the easiest way to pay you, and you could potentially be one of the 30 winners from our friend, AQ Shipley. All right. From all of us to all you, we can't thank you enough. We're back tomorrow with a great Thursday.
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Boston Connor
Yeah, Huge.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, Tomorrow's big time. Thursday. It's gonna be huge. Thursday tomorrow. Yeah. Potentially. We don't know if it's tomorrow or Friday.
- [178:31]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [178:32]
Pat McAfee
But there's a massive guest coming in the next two days. How big? Big.
- [178:37]
Boston Connor
Mm.
- [178:39]
Pat McAfee
How hilarious? Real. How serious? Very much so. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in a sitting together Team on me. Hey, great work this year.
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Ty Schmidt
Had a baby, aq.
- [178:49]
AQ Shipley
Thanks for having me, boy. Seriously, it's the best time of my week.
- [178:52]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. You too. Debut. Even though we'll see you next week. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. 1, 2, 3. Team goodbye. From ESPN podcast and Omaha Productions. Ready? Here we go. Coach is a new, groundbreaking educational football podcast hosted by NFL legends Bill Belichick.
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AQ Shipley
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