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PMS 2.0 1290 - Super Bowl Monday, Adam Schefter, Luka Dončić/AD Trade Fallout With Shams Charania, Jey Uso, Hulk Hogan, Michael Cole, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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PMS 2.0 1290 - Super Bowl Monday, Adam Schefter, Luka Dončić/AD Trade Fallout With Shams Charania, Jey Uso, Hulk Hogan, Michael Cole, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
Beautiful people. And welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this super bowl kickoff Monday, February 3, 2025. This program starts now.
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Hulk Hogan
Football.
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Pat McAfee
It's wonderful. And obviously we're celebrating the biggest game of the year happening on Sunday down in New Orleans between the Chiefs and the Eagles. We'll be at Radio Row down at the Convention center in beautiful New Orleans, Louisiana, starting on Wednesday, all the way through Friday. And then obviously, we all watch the massive game on Sunday as we find whether or not this particular dynasty that the Chiefs are in the middle of, he's the greatest of all time. And can they win three straight for the first time in the modern super bowl era? And on the other side, two super bowl visits in the first four seasons as Nick Sirianni as their head coach, two in the last three years. Jalen Hurts has championship pedigree. Will he be able to win on the biggest stage alongside a running back that has completely turned back the hands of time with football, a powerful offensive line, a defense that's greedy. We have the Chiefs and the Eagles in Louisiana on Sunday. Obviously, that'll be chatted about throughout the entirety of the week, and obviously we'll chat about it today. But the weekend was full of surprises. We were lucky to be a small part of some of it. On Saturday night, Jey USO won the Royal Rumble.
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Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Punching his ticket to the main event of WrestleMania. A man who's been grinding and working his ass off night in, night out for the WWE for the better part of the last two decades. Once a Hall of Fame tag team partner alongside his brother, with the USO's now as a singles competitor who has every arena on their feet. Yeeting alongside of him eliminates John Cena and sends himself to the main event of WrestleMania. Myself, Wade, and a guy who's joining us now on stage here at Thunderdome. A man who's been in The WWE for 28 years has only missed two shows over that span of time. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Coles.
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Michael Cole
Hey, everybody, thanks for having me.
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Pat McAfee
Cole, massive surprise, big time win. So incredibly excited for Jey USO and all the hard work that he's put in. Everything that he has done for the company, every meet and greet, every handshake shake, every bump, every match, everything that he has done, all paid off for this big moment for him to be in the main event of WrestleMania. And we are so incredibly proud. I almost got emotional and started crying for him on Saturday night. Michael Cole.
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Michael Cole
It was an incredible night. And the thing about Jay is he's such a great guy. And like you said, he's worked his butt off for so many years to get to this point. But Jay created himself. I mean, he made this happen. He came up with that yeet catchphrase a year or so ago and it just took off. And then of course, the dancing and all of that has brought him to this point. But I think the entertainment factor is great. But Jay is a hell of a worker in the ring and he really deserves this moment. And I thought the surprise was great.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, I thought so too. Everybody was surprised. Everybody thought that maybe it was going to be Cena because it was his final Royal Rumble. He would address that immediately afterwards and say, hey, we'll see you at the elimination chamber in Toronto in four weeks. Which is the final opportunity to punch a ticket to the main event of WrestleMania where Jey Uso will be. That will be happening in Toronto. We shall see.
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Hulk Hogan
Hopefully.
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Pat McAfee
Canada's doing a lot of chatting right now. So is America. We'll see how that whole thing works out. Excited to get up to beautiful Toronto, up to the 6 for elimination chamber, where John Cena will be and many others. I believe there's qualifying matches happening over the next few weeks to see who will get into the elimination chamber. If you win that, you also go to the main event of WrestleMania. So there's a lot in store. You know, every time I come back into the wwe, I feel honored, I feel lucky. I feel so damn thankful that they asked me to come back. But all the wrestling fans, the die hard wrestling fans always attack me. You know, say, look at this. Part timer, part timer, part timer, okay? They come after me and I understand it. I'm like, hey, listen, I'm a wrestling fan, so I completely understand where you're coming from. I used to feel this way as a child as well, whenever I was watching along. I'm very lucky that I get to be a part of WWE. So anytime I'm asked, and I do bet on Red 18, shout out to Peyton Manning with that sign there. But anytime I get asked to come back, I love it. And I try to sell every single night how much I appreciate being there for the fans. But the fans, a lot of the die hard wrestling fans attack me for it. You know, also some of the employees of WWE attack me for it. And that's kind of the way it is. So I get attacked for not being around enough. Jey USO is there every single night of his life, literally just grinding away for the company. And those same people that are attacking Me are attacking the fact Jey USO sometimes never going to be able to make anybody happy. But I will say this. 70,000 plus record breaking royal Rumble all yeeting in unison to celebrate this man. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. I think this guy most over guy on the roster. What a time for him. And Michael Cole yeeting off beat. He's just maybe the highlight of everything. Maybe that's why Jay USO won because he just wanted to see Cole.
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Michael Cole
You know, the fact that Jay has actually embraced me and allowed me to yeet with him and be a part of this is actually pretty cool for me.
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Pat McAfee
That's right for me too. I feel like.
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Michael Cole
And Wade Barrett even got in the ring and did it. That old Englishman shout out to Wade.
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Pat McAfee
I love that man. It was an honor to work alongside of him. Royal Rumble was spectacular. We'll continue to talk about that. That was a massive surprise in the wwe. Then that would be followed up just moments later by a. Hmm, I don't even know how to say this. Volcanic. Yeah, sure. Earth scattering eruption of what? From the NBA. When Sham Sharania would put out a tweet saying that Luka Doncic, the man who has been the face of the Dallas Mavericks, the man who took the Dallas Mavericks to the Finals less than a year ago, the man who's been synonymous with not only that city, that team, that franchise, but also the NBA as a whole, has got his fat ass. If you listen to the way Dallas Mavericks were talking about it shipped to Los Angeles for Anthony Davis, who once again was the man that the Lakers were going to build around. This is the future. The team can't be operating around LeBron James, he's too old. This team's got to run through Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis very comfortable in his locker, okay? Very comfortable saying we need another big guy, we need a point guard or something like that. If we want to really make a run at this thing, this is what we're going to need. Everybody around the league is talking about how Anthony Davis is the focal point. Focal point. Everybody talk about Dallas Luka Doncic, team Luka Doncic, team Kyrie joining Luka. And instead now both of them gone. New teams, new era, new times. Sham Sharania comes into ESPN and he had haters behind the scenes who didn't think he was the guy who's supposed to be the senior insider in drops a big old ha. Suck it. 91 million views on this tweet alone. At this point, that's going to be up over 100 million. You're talking about maybe the biggest trade okay. In the history of sports. Now they're taking it back old school to a 31, I believe, who got traded in 1968 or something. I understand that there has been big movement in the past, but this one gigantic earth shattering, volcanic like surprise of. Whoa, are you serious? Shamshirania will join us in a matter of 33 minutes. Jey Uso will join us in the next hour. And in a matter of eight minutes, Adam Schefter will join us because surprise. The Pro bowl games were just yesterday. They were good.
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Adam Schefter
Yeah, not bad.
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Pat McAfee
Sweet. They weren't bad. I appreciated the effort out of the boys. I appreciated the football out of the boys. I appreciated the game out of the boys. I appreciated the girls flag football high school all star game that took place beforehand. Thought it was a great day down there in Orlando. One of the participants down there, Myles Garrett, Miles Garrett was talking to people about what their life is like with their teams. And although none of them are in the super bowl because none of the super bowl contenders were able to be in the Pro Bowl. Moss Garrett sounds a lot better than what I'm going through. Yeah, Miles Garrett says that's a lot better than what I'm going through. You guys are trying to win up there, you think? Yeah, I think so. You're trying to make it to where? Super Bowl? Yeah, yeah, I want to do that. Get me the hell out of here. Request a trade this morning from the Cleveland Browns. This is another holy shit moment in sports. Just a few days ago down at the Senior Bowl, Andrew Barry, general manager of the Cleveland Browns said, I'm not listening to anybody trying to trade for Myles Garrett, who has two years left on his contract of non guaranteed money. Signed a five year, $125 million deal, $100 million guaranteed, final two years, non guarant. So is this a business move potentially? Is this a hey, I want a new contract statement maybe? Or is this Myles Garrett being sick and tired of not being in the playoffs and playing meaningful football potentially as well? We will certainly keep an ear to the ground and ask Adam Schefter about it in about seven minutes. Now here's a lot to talk about. The talks tables here at Boston Conner at Ty Schmidt, 9 year NFL vet, big old football brain Darius J. Butler is here. Myles Garrett asked for a trade. Where do you think are some possible landing spots? What do you think he gets paid and why do you think he came to this decision?
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Darius Butler
I mean the first place. First places you look are the places with the most money. We know the Patriots got a ton of money. They got a high draft pick as well, so they got some assets. But for me I'm going to look for it because it's a guy that you think is going to want to contend with some championships. Young quarterback out in Washington, you know, they just competed in NFC championship, obviously new ownership group, they got money as well, so they can pay him. He's still dealing with a rookie quarterback contract there. I think the Chargers will be another potential place once again right there on the cusp of compete for a championship. And then like I said, the Patriots, you got a young quarterback, you got Braves, you think they'll be contenders as well. But it's a player that, I mean you can put him in almost any system. He's a, he's an edge rusher, a typical throwback, 43 defensive end, but he's an elite player. Just kind of like Luka at the top of his game. Absolutely. Premier pass rush, which is a premier position. Talk about 2020 First Team All Pro, 21 First Team All Pro, 22 believe Second Team All Pro, 2020, 23 Defensive Player of the Year, First Team All Pro and then another First Team All Pro this year. So you talking about the elite of elite now. You look at a deal, you talked about it. It's probably a potential business move. Obviously this guy wants to win as well. But Nick Bosa is now the highest paid defensive end. Five year, 170 million dollar deal, which is around 34 year. So you would think Myles Garrett is kind of going to get somewhere up in near that ballpark because the gap between Nick Bose at the top of 34 and then 28, I believe is the second guy with Josh Hines Allen down in Jacksonville. So you would expect him to get paid at his new destination. Brown's got some dead to have to deal with as well. Kind of this Deshaun Watson fallout. But this is, I mean this is one of the best players ever to play the game at one of the most important positions. So this is huge, huge news.
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Pat McAfee
29 years old, will be turning 30 in December. Washington commanders, fans hearing their name, even announcing a situation like this is obviously good for them. They're, they're potentially all over themselves about that discussion. Also the Patriots, who have all the cap space in the world are going to be linked to everybody. Con man.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, exactly. And you got to think like, you know, who knows how free agency works out, who.
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Pat McAfee
But when he got the Patriots he wants one of super. That's his big message is I want to win a Super Bowl. I want to win a Super Bowl. He'd be believing in the mission of Rabel, I guess, more so than believing in the Cleveland Browns mission. Is that what we have to think about?
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, definitely. And you got to think like, Vrabel was just in Cleveland. So you assume that him and Miles Garrett do have some sort of kind of relationship. But of all the teams up there, I would look at Detroit. You know, Detroit paid a bunch of people last year. They already got, you know, the Penne Sewell, the Goff, the Almond Raw. Those contracts done, if they do have $56 million, still don't have to pay Hutch just yet. And then you look at how their season ended, where they did have to replace a bunch of guys. They did have to go get a pass rusher if the deal, because, you know, you'd obviously have to pay Myles Garrett, too. This could be a situation where it's like, wow, Myles Garrett only went for a 2, a 4, and a 5, because you also have to give him a contract. And Detroit feels like a team where in his message, he said, hey, the plan was never to go from Cleveland to Kane. The plan was to go from Cleveland to the super bowl, win a Super bowl, and then obviously all those things come with it. Detroit would kind of be that place, I would think where he could look at it goes from, you know, the. He goes from rather the AFC to the nfc. Cleveland doesn't really have to deal with them that often. So I would look at Detroit.
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Connor
Well, and as a Packers fan, like, I. I don't know if they'll necessarily do it, but they had kind of been linked with this past off season, like, hey, if a guy like Miles Garrett or Max Crosby is available, you need to go get one of those guys. Because that's kind of the area where they've invested a lot of draft capital the last couple years getting first round DNS and guys who haven't really panned out necessarily. They haven't really been able to get to the quarterback. And I think back to when the packers traded and got Reggie White, that was kind of what propelled them to, you know, win a Super bowl and, and kind of turn around and be one of the better teams of the late 90s. This is the first time they've had cap space since they got rid of Rogers. And I think this would be one of those splashes where we all hear about how they're the youngest team in the NFL. Well, you can get one of the best players in the NFL right now who can maybe come in and give some of that game to the young kids who need to make a huge step up.
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Pat McAfee
You're hearing a lot of fans, I assume this morning, as soon as they learn of Miles Garrett potentially being available, saying, hey, get them the art team. Get them to our team. Now there's going to be some salary cap situations that aren't going to be able to make it feasible. The jets are one of them. How do you feel about that, Michael? Cold die hard jets fan, how do you feel about the NFL Now? We could talk about the NBA trade as well. That would probably be next hour. More so NBA, I think. I'm not going to say it was a work, but could have been. There's a chance, there's a chance that you trade two megastars. First time ever, two all NBA players have been traded for each other. And it's like all eyes are on the NBA now. Super bowl week. And I know Trade deadline is February 6th of Super bowl week, but that's a massive combo. Miles Garrett then requests official trade here from the Browns this morning. Massive conversation. Michael Cole, how do you feel about it as a Jets fan? How do you feel about it from a sports world fan?
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Michael Cole
I don't think they're going after Garrett at all. I mean, their cap space where they get 16 million or something like that. What I was thinking about, what about the Bears? I mean, the Bears got a lot of money to play with. Ben Johnson's coming in, right? I mean, so, I mean, what about Chicago? I mean, they're trying, you know, Johnson said what the other day that it's going to be Caleb's team now bringing somebody on defense.
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Pat McAfee
I don't know.
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Michael Cole
Sounds good to me.
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Pat McAfee
The interesting thing about it is Miles Johnson said he wants to win a Super Bowl. Yeah. Okay. So if he goes to any of these teams that have not won a Super bowl, he's basically just banking on this particular team being a better run organization than the Cleveland Browns, which is quite a shot, you know, it's quite a shot at the Cleveland Browns. Even though he said he absolutely loves living in Cleveland and he is, you know, grown there in his statement and everything like that. Browns fans have to be thinking to themselves, oh, what the fuck? What the hell is going on? Because literally just a week ago, Andrew, Andrew Barry was like, we're not trading Miles Garrett. He is not available. Now all of a sudden, Miles Garrett saying, is that right? Yeah, I think I am Available. Joining us now, a man who released Miles Garrett's statement and probably knows a little bit more about the behind the scenes senior NFL Insider for ESPN Michigan man, Adam Schefter. Chef, you look awesome. As the sun hits your face in the weird little place. You look awesome. Thank you for joining us. Massive morning here. We thought the trade between Luca Ad and then Utah getting sprinkled in there would be the biggest conversation. It certainly still is. But Myles Garrett, perennial all pro defensive player of the year candidate, every single year wanting to be traded with two non guaranteed years left on his contract just one week removed from the general manager saying they aren't listening to any trade offers for him. How do we get here and is he only going to contenders or is he going to other buildings that have money and potentially a better vision than.
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Adam Schefter
Cleveland Browns if he's going again because we have a team here in the Cleveland Browns, I know we get swept up in the moment. We've got this defensive player of the year requesting a trade out of Cleveland and this is not a surprise to the Browns. The Browns knew about his unhappiness. I think they've asked around. They prepared for it. They've gotten some opinions about how to best handle this situation, knowing that it could be coming. And I think that they are dug in and entrenched in their stance that they're not going to trade Myles Garrett. That that's not the kind of player you move on from. You're talking about arguably the best defensive player in the league, 29 years old. That's a player that helps you win a Super bowl and that's what the Browns want to try to do. So again, we can continue to talk about this and we will because it's certainly interesting. But we also have one side here in the Cleveland Browns that doesn't want to trade Myles Garrett and says it won't trade Myles Garrett. And the GM Andrew Berry even has orders that he doesn't care if he's offered two number ones. He's not trading Miles Garrett. Now what we have changes the equation some potentially is we've got Myles Garrett now going public with the statement and the idea that he does want out of Cleveland. He wants to play on a team where he believes he's got a chance to win a Super bowl, which obviously he doesn't feel like is the case in Cleveland. So the Browns, if they trade them, there's acceleration on his contract to the tune of about 35 or so million dollars. They're already over the cap to trade him becomes financially difficult and challenging. Not since they can't do it, but it's hard. So I think the whole situation here, Pat, is honestly in my mind, so dug in. Is my Garrett so miserable? Is he prepared to try to make life for the Cleveland Browns? Is he willing to sit no matter what when they go to Trinity camp, if they haven't traded him by then, is he continually going to issue statements saying how unhappy he is and how much he wants? Does he make it such that he forces them to trade him? Or do they acquiesce to his wishes and listen to him when that's not what they want to do? And they've been perfectly clear about that.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so in your eyes, if you had to project right now, and I know we literally just learned of Myles Garrett taking this thing public, but these situations have certainly happened before in the NFL, certainly during your time of covering the NFL when the season starts. You think Myles Garrett has a new deal with some guaranteed money? You think this is business wise? Do you think he's a Cleveland Brown or do you think he's. He's going to be gone? Because once somebody goes public, what is that? That's just putting massive pressure on Andrew Barry to see if he's really about it.
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Adam Schefter
Okay, but you know what? Debo Samuel issued a trade request to the 49ers two years ago. He's still there. Brandon Iuk issued a trade request to the 49ers last year. He's still there. So when you issue a trade request in the NFL, it's not final that you're being traded. There are still many steps to go through. And again, the Browns have been very public in the idea that they're not moving on from Miles Garrett. They're not trading. Which is why I come back to the point, is how difficult is Myles Garrett willing to make life for them?
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Pat McAfee
Yeah.
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Adam Schefter
Is he going to make it such that they have to trade him? If you're the Browns, you go to Miles Garrett. Now you say, miles, I know you want to be out, but. But we want to make you the highest paid defensive player in football. You feel any better? No, I know. I still want it. Oh, you still want to.
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Hulk Hogan
Okay.
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Adam Schefter
We want to make you the highest paid defensive player and we want your input on what we should do at quarterback now and what you think are some guys that you think could help the team. You feel better now? No.
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Pat McAfee
Okay.
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Adam Schefter
Like, what can you do to make him feel better? Usually when a player hears that he's the highest paid something player in NFL history. I'm not telling you that that will happen. I don't know how Miles feels, but sometimes that makes a player feel better and change his mind.
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Pat McAfee
Got it. Especially with two non guaranteed money years left for somebody his caliber. Obvious this is potentially a business play by Miles to kind of put some public pressure on the Browns to make it happen. But let's say trade does take place. Debut has a question for you.
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Darius Butler
Yeah, and this. I know you mentioned IU can Deebo, but this is, you know, number one pick, premier guy at a very, very elite position. But so let's say it does get to that point. What would the compensation be for Miles Garrett, you think? And can you recall a pass rusher of this caliber moving at this point in his career?
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Adam Schefter
Khalil Mack will be the closest comparison that would be out there right now. Because when Khalil Mack requested a trade it was not altogether dissimilar to Myl Garrett. There were teams salivating at the idea of trading for Mac when he was playing with the Raiders. And I posted the compensation before earlier this morning. Let me just call it up exactly to give you an idea.
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Hulk Hogan
But.
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Adam Schefter
But the trade comp on Cleo Mack was. He was traded from Oakland to Chicago. The Bears gave up two first round picks, a third round pick and a sixth round pick for Mack. A two and a conditional five. So two ones, a three, a six for Mack, a two and a five. Now that went on for a while. I don't know that. I don't know that the Raiders maximize the return. Return. Mack refused to budge. Mack was 27 at the time. Garrett's 29. Again, that's the best comp. I think that's out there right now. Myles Garrett is an elite player. Again you can make the argument he's the best defensive player in the league very easily. So I think that the return is probably along those lines. But again we have the Browns GM Andrew Berry on record saying that he wouldn't even consider two first round picks for Myles Garrett. Which by the way would be my stance as well. If I were the gm, I would say I wouldn't consider three ones for the guy. That's what I would say. Now what I would wind up taking would be a different deal. So it's just a question of gamesmanship. Now again, is this a business play by Miles Garrett? I don't think so. I think he legitimately wants to be in a place where he feels like he's going to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. But again, is there Anything that could get him off that, that changes his mind.
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Pat McAfee
So, last question for me, and obviously, we're all learning about this as we go, so that means he's only going to teams that are contenders. Is that what we're hearing?
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Adam Schefter
That's what. In his ideal world, that's what he's doing. Okay, now, again, what if they said, we're trading you? I'm making this up to Chicago. Is Chicago, again, is Chicago a Super bowl contender right now? But what if Chicago, he feels like, is, I think, the best way of saying it, he wants to go to what he believes is a Super bowl contender. But I think as we talk about this, I think that would be a place that he believes gives him more hope to win a Super bowl championship than the Browns do. And there are probably multiple NFL franchises that would fall into that category, because I think if you had to consider it, 31 teams probably would be interested in training for Miles Garrett.
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Pat McAfee
That's what we're. Because we went through the salary cap and what the projected amount of money is, and obviously, you look at a lot of these teams and it's like, well, the Patriots would obviously benefit from having Miles Garrett. Vrabel was in Cleveland this past year. They have the money to do it. But would Miles be like, yep, you know what? I'm going up to New England because I believe they could potentially be a Super bowl contender. Then you just go down the line there. Of all the people that have. Like, does he think the Chargers are potentially a Super bowl contender even though they haven't really been able to get close to the dance in some time? Does he believe Harbaugh changes things Chicago? It's like, does he think Ben Johnson will be able to get them to a Super Bowl? It's like, is it his projected contender or the actual contenders? Like, is he thinking about going to Baltimore that only has 8.9 million? They can't even really seemingly afford them. Or the Chiefs.
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Hulk Hogan
Chiefs.
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Pat McAfee
Or going to Detroit or going to the packers, maybe, who had a chance to go to run? Like, what does he mean? I think we just kind of wait and see, I guess. Shefty.
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Adam Schefter
Well, I think, first of all, a few things to keep in mind. I don't think there's any way or chance in hell that the Browns ever would consider trading him in a division so you could knock out those teams. And by the way, they said they're not trading him at all. They're certainly not trading him in the division. I would think that if they're trading him they certainly wouldn't want to trade him in conference. And again, they say they want to trade him and Myles Garrett would have the ability because any team would have to give up a Hall and any team that trades for him obviously would want to have him under contract. So he would have some say there because let's just say it was New England. Let's say he doesn't like that area. He doesn't believe in the team he doesn't like. Whatever it is, he could say, I'm not going there. So, you know, sorry, Connor, I'm not trying to pick any. I'm just giving you.
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Pat McAfee
No, no, no. We've been talking about that all morning. But it's like Minnesota, Detroit, packers, all those.
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Adam Schefter
It's what he. It's what he believes. It's what he feels. It's what he feels in any team that would give up, what it would be required to acquire him. And again, this is even considering that the Browns would be willing to trade him, which they haven't been, but it's not.
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Hulk Hogan
They were.
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Adam Schefter
Then it would have to be to a team that is going to give up so much and they're not going to give up that much without having him under contract or him being unhappy about being trade. So he's going to have to sign off on the trade even though he doesn't have a no trade request. So he's going to basically be able to dictate it. That's if Cleveland ever gets to the spot where it moves off its current stance of we're not trading. So there's a lot of things that have to happen before we get there. Just to give you an idea of where this is at.
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Pat McAfee
All right, well, good luck to all parties. Good luck to all parties. There's a lot of NFC teams, though, that are doing a little dance they could think of. Miles Garrett, Green Bay Packers. You'd give up two ones a third and pay him.
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Connor
Yes.
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Pat McAfee
To get him on the squad.
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Connor
Yes.
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Pat McAfee
Vikings probably do the same. They don't even have a quarterback yet. But if you get another game record on the defensive side, Lions, they lose. Aiden Hutchinson still able to win, but in the end not able to get to where they want to go. Why not continue to build depth? Anything they want, they can have it. And then with the Niners, I mean the Niners adding Miles Garrett to that defense after a disappointing year. Now, granted, Christian McCaffrey didn't play.
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Connor
I mean, there's him in Bosa.
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Pat McAfee
A lot of NFC teams that would be like, all right, let's go and get it. Hopefully Andrew Barry is able to figure it out. Let's talk about some other news that happened around the NFL. If you have time, we appreciate you making some here on this glorious day. Chip Kelly's back in the NFL. He's getting paid 6 million to be the offensive coordinator of Las Vegas Raiders. So the Ohio State Buckeyes lose both of their coordinators. Jim Knowles goes to Penn state on a $3.1 million deal allegedly to Penn State. Ohio State was not able to match or didn't come close. Chip Kelly now going to the Raiders on a six million dollar deal allegedly per year. That's via Albert Breyer, allegedly. In the conversation, new ownership said like, hey, no stone unturned, anything you need to be able to put a staff together, you could do that. That Chip and Pete do they have history. And how much did we expect Chip Kelly to come back to the NFL before this hiring cycle? Shefty?
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Adam Schefter
Well, I think he wanted to get back to the NFL and the Raiders made a lot of inquiries and did a lot of background checks to see this is what they were trying to do. Again, I think everybody would agree on chips offensive prowess and brilliance. And so they were trying to see, okay, is there a reason that we shouldn't move in that direction? Is there another candidate that's more qualified? They were looking at some other people as well. But ultimately the recommendations on chips offensive mind came back in such a way that they felt like this was the move to make. And look, they're at a disadvantage in that division with those coaches and those quarterbacks in the AFC West. It's loaded. Pete comes in with energy and enthusiasm and passion and a defensive expertise. So, so they need, they need somebody to really run that offense. And Chip Kelly certainly is more than capable of doing that. They identified him. And this is where the new money and the limited owners that the Raiders have come into play. Because Mark Davis got an infusion of money from the limited owners that included Tom Brady, and they now can go out and spend that money on guys like Chip Kelly. There's no salary cap for coaches. You're capped off on what you can and can't spend on players, but there's no cap on coaches. So if you want to go pay chip Kelly $6 million a year to bring him in to Las Vegas, you can go do that. And having cash, cash is a big deal. And the Raiders clearly have some cash that they could throw around the coaches and that they're going to be able to use in the form of guaranteed money and signing bonuses to upcoming free agents. So that's going to be something that I think the Raiders lean into as they try to make up ground on the rest of the teams in the AFC west and in that conference.
- [28:45]
Pat McAfee
And that's no cap, brother. You know, especially on the coaching staff. This is why we talk about the Denver Broncos being such a promising position for whoever's going to go coach there, because the Waltons, the Walmart family, they, they. They got it, you know, so they can pay the coaches more than other places you can keep people around. Raiders getting into that game is kind of crazy. Chip Kelly going to Vegas. Say it, Connor.
- [29:07]
Ty Schmidt
I mean, look, why not Will Howard going with him, too?
- [29:10]
Pat McAfee
Whoa.
- [29:11]
Ty Schmidt
They won the natty together.
- [29:12]
Pat McAfee
You know, neither quarterback knows the offense. Understands Chip Kelly very well. Chip Kelly, beloved by the Ohio State players. Jeremiah Smith, number one wide receiver on earth, said no. With a heartbreak. With a heartbreak in there. So who knows how Ohio State looks going forward? We shall see. All right, let's pivot away.
- [29:31]
Adam Schefter
He's got certain knowledge on those guys that other people don't. He's going to have worked with all them. And we also go back to his time in Philadelphia. Remember how much everybody wanted the Eagles and Chip Kelly to trade up to get Marcus Mariota, who's going to be a free agent this offseason. So Marcus Mariota, I think maybe that's going to be an option. But I'll tell you where else Marcus Mariota can be an option in Miami with Tua, his good friend Tua, he'll be an option there. So there could be a little bit of interest in Marcus Mariota between the Miami Dolphins and Chip Kelly and the Las Vegas Raiders. And that's a great spot for Marcus because he's got two no tax states.
- [30:07]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah.
- [30:07]
Adam Schefter
So he's gonna have some interesting choices this offseason.
- [30:10]
Shams Charania
Go to Vegas.
- [30:10]
Pat McAfee
I think some, ooh, juice down there in Miami. Man, I like everything about that Marcus Marriott, Moto, certainly we got nothing but respect for Marcus Mariota. Appreciate everything he did. We got out to see Oregon. He has an entire hallway dedicated to. To him for everything he did out there. Certainly that was like 15 years ago. I mean, that was. That was pretty good amount of time. What Chip Kelly and Will Howard were able to do, especially during his playoff time. Biggest time of the year was nothing short of magical. Now Pete Carroll goes to Las Vegas. That was one part of the coaching cycle. There is one job still remaining that is available in the NFL. Ty has a question for you, Shefty.
- [30:45]
Connor
Where do we stand with the Saints job right now? Obviously, Mike McCarthy pulls his name out, he's going to be looking to the next year's cycle and all the. Everything's kind of leaning towards, hey, this is basically going to be Kellen Moore's job. Has there been any movement on that? Is that the expectation that once the super bowl is over, Kellen Moore will become the head coach of the Saints or what's going on there?
- [31:08]
Adam Schefter
Let's spell this out, Ty.
- [31:09]
Pat McAfee
Right.
- [31:10]
Adam Schefter
This is pretty simple. You and I have talked about this before. We did it this morning. We could stop the charade. What's going on here is that the New Orleans Saints wisely are going to be doing everything by the book, as they should be. Because the last time, the last time the. Well, okay, yeah.
- [31:34]
Pat McAfee
Hold on. Let me rephrase that.
- [31:36]
Adam Schefter
The roll states when it comes to this coaching hire should be doing everything by the book.
- [31:41]
Shams Charania
Right.
- [31:42]
Adam Schefter
Let me rephrase that. Okay. I want to make sure we're accurate here.
- [31:45]
Pat McAfee
Yes, yes, yes.
- [31:46]
Adam Schefter
When it comes to this, coaching out of the Saints are going to do everything.
- [31:48]
Pat McAfee
Think about the book.
- [31:48]
Adam Schefter
Because the last time the Eagles were in a Super bowl in most city was Arizona, the Cardinals, there was evidence found that they tampered with the Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon. The Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie, not happy. He pressed the issue and draft compensation was awarded to the Eagles on draft night. So the league sided with the Philadelphia Eagles. Jeffrey Lurie knows what it's like. The Saints have been in the crosshairs with the NFL before. Not the first time. And so the head of the Saints organization, Mickey Loomis, is going to do everything in his power when it comes to this coaching hire to follow the rules and go buy the book and not talk to Kellen Moore until after the Super Bowl. Could it break down and they not reach an agreement?
- [32:38]
Hulk Hogan
Sure.
- [32:39]
Adam Schefter
Is that likely? No. Kellen Moore is going to have a chance to probably triple his salary, become a head coach. 1 of 32 and if the Saints were making any other move, whether it was hiring the Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver, where the Giants offensive coordinator Mike Kafka or their own interim head coach Darren. What are they waiting for?
- [33:00]
Hulk Hogan
Why?
- [33:00]
Adam Schefter
Why not go hire them right now? But they're not. They're waiting and they're waiting to talk to Kellen Moore and they're waiting to make sure that they give the Eagles absolutely zero evidence that they've tampered with the guy until after the game. But the fact that they don't have a coach tells you everything you need to know about where this is going. Of course, barring a setback, he's going to be the guy. Could there be a setback or there are setbacks. Bill Belichick didn't wind up becoming the head coach of the jets. Josh McDaniels didn't wind up becoming the head coach of the Colts. Liam Cohen didn't wind up becoming the coordinator of the Buccaneers. But barring new setbacks, we know where this is tracking and we know where this is going. Let's not be oblivious to it.
- [33:49]
Pat McAfee
Okay? Congrats, Kelly Moe, if you end up becoming the head coach and the Josh Josh McDaniels Jim Ursay dumping party could have been settled with some Dove men care whole body. You know, if this. Did you ever get any confirmation on that story?
- [34:06]
Adam Schefter
Which story?
- [34:07]
Pat McAfee
Well, allegedly. Now we've obviously covered this pretty in depth because we are Colts fans here. Allegedly. Whenever Jim ursay wanted a McDaniel house. Yeah, McDaniel's house, there's a massive dump that took place potentially that was a little bit off putting. And that is inevitably why Josh, he decided to turn the plane around because at the very end was like we gonna be living with this dumper all day. Let's get out of here. And goes back to New England. Do you know if that was the reason or.
- [34:37]
Adam Schefter
I can't jump on that story. I don't know what the actual truth is.
- [34:40]
Pat McAfee
That's pretty good. And by the way, if you have any friends that smell like ass Chefter, which I assume you do in the journalism world.
- [34:47]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [34:47]
Pat McAfee
Let them know that whole body do from Dove men care can take care of it all. Can take care of your pits, can take care of your taint, can take care of your toes. Anything that smells whole body do can get rid of your B.O. and these bottles last.
- [35:02]
Adam Schefter
Since when do we have a sponsor for this segment? I. I didn't know about this.
- [35:05]
Pat McAfee
It's not because of you, brother. It's not because of you, brother. Don't you worry about that. They're not saying you smell like. They're not saying you smell like. Okay, let's continue to move to other talking points around the NFL. Speaking of Michael Cole, massive New York jets fan. That's a question for you, Adam.
- [35:24]
Michael Cole
What am I. What are we doing about quarterback? Is Rogers coming back? What's. What's happening?
- [35:28]
Pat McAfee
New York jets fan. Obviously he's talking about the jet situation. Aaron Rodgers still open to anything attached to nothing. Aaron Glenn, new head coach. You Want Aaron Rodgers back or you just want them to do whatever's good for the team?
- [35:46]
Michael Cole
I, I think we have to bring Rogers back if he wants. We don't have any quarterbacks and you try to draft somebody and learn under Aaron and move on from there. That's my thought, but I'm not sure.
- [35:55]
Pat McAfee
What is yours, Shefty.
- [35:57]
Adam Schefter
I think that Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers have to sit down and number one, Aaron Rodgers first and foremost has to decide whether or not he wants to play, whether or not he wants to play in New York, whether or not he's committed to going through all this again and if and when that's the case that Aaron Glenn is going to have. Aaron Glenn and Darren Moshe have a decision to make about what they want to do with their franchise. From a talent standpoint, there's probably not a better option out there than Aaron Rodgers when the guy still has it and he still can play. The question is what do they want to do as they're rebuilding their organization? Is that a long term play? Do they feel like there is a better fit for the organization to grow with? And those are questions I think that both sides have to answer with the input from one another as they sit down and talk about this issue moving forward.
- [36:46]
Pat McAfee
Okay, Shefty, you'll be on top of it. We will try to as well. Have not talked to Aaron trying to give him his space like we always do after the season. Well, I mean the way he finished that season, there's no way he's walking away. No, he played well.
- [36:58]
Darius Butler
No chance.
- [36:58]
Pat McAfee
There's no way he's just. You know what? Yeah, I'm done. I especially with how the season went and all the that was talked. It doesn't feel like an Aaron Rodgers move to walk away now, but once again, who knows.
- [37:07]
Darius Butler
No chance. Play finish the season healthy, you know, play well. Obviously team success wasn't there. You would think he would want to go out on better terms than that for sure.
- [37:15]
Pat McAfee
And also for him, I mean the timing with the quarterback situation kind of perfect both coming out of the draft and in the free agent world to your point, into his point there really isn't like he's already there. He knows the building. You get a young guy in there, can maybe learn underbound. It's like feels like the stars are aligning for the stat.
- [37:36]
Michael Cole
And let's not forget, yeah the jets still have a ton of talent. I mean they were so poorly coached last year. They have a ton of talent. They do.
- [37:44]
Pat McAfee
True. They going to win it all Next year?
- [37:46]
Michael Cole
No, not at all. Never in my lifetime I've said I'll never.
- [37:49]
Pat McAfee
So what does it matter?
- [37:50]
Michael Cole
I said I'll never. I'll never go to a Super bowl until the jets are there. So I guess I'm never going to attend a Super Bowl.
- [37:54]
Pat McAfee
Oh, sad. Come on. You don't ever know that. You never know that. You have no idea what's going to happen next year. There's been a lot of teams that have been asked that have able to flip it around. Just one different energy in a building can change everything. And Woody Johnson said, I sucked as an owner. I got to. I got to own that. I don't think he was those exact words, but he said, maybe I haven't been the greatest owner. I need to own that. So maybe things are turning around. And young Brick Johnson, another year of experience.
- [38:19]
Connor
Exactly.
- [38:19]
Pat McAfee
He's going to be able to buy scratch offs next year. Whenever he's going in there, you know, who knows what he's going to do.
- [38:25]
Michael Cole
Love it. We'll see.
- [38:26]
Pat McAfee
You are the most pessimistic jets fan of all time. As soon as Aaron gets there, he.
- [38:30]
Adam Schefter
Goes, chef, boy, that's quite a statement. The most pessimistic jets man of all.
- [38:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that is quite a distinction because.
- [38:37]
Adam Schefter
There are a lot of them out.
- [38:37]
Pat McAfee
There, no questions asked. I mean, I'm Sherman, there's others. But as soon as Aaron Rodgers goes to the jets, he goes, why? Why'd he do that? His career's over. That was his first response. Not like, hey, we're going to win a Super bowl now. Like, how I was feeling like, man, the talent, the energy. He wins, he's going to have a parade right down the middle of New York City. I mean, it's going to be great. And Cole's like, why is he doing that? Why is he coming to our team? Why? He's going to ruin everything. It's like, no, he's coming to help everything. He's like, nope, that ain't how it's going to go. And then four plays in this guy's, I told you we were ruin it. I think jets fans have to feel that way. The jaded jets are the way it is until it changes. And hopefully they'll be able to change. Speaking of change, is there more change coming? Connor has a question for you. She.
- [39:20]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Shefter and another Bill's loss in the playoffs leads to another possible rule change. Obviously we tried with the Hawkeye technology earlier, I believe in the preseason and some a little bit last year with the first down marking and it took forever. And so it didn't get carried into this regular season. But again now the NFL is reportedly considering using electric electronics rather for the 2025 season. Is there a new development in the technology? Is there some other strategy they're going to try to use? And at what point are we just going to use the microchip that's already in the football?
- [39:55]
Adam Schefter
Well, what I would say is first of all, Roger Goodell is scheduled to have his annual State of the Union this afternoon. And I'd be very surprised if this wasn't one of the questions that came up during the press conference. I'm sure somebody maybe from Buffalo is going to ask him that question about whether or not the league has made advancements with the chip in the football. They've experimented with this before. I would imagine if they have the technology, they're going to move forward in a direction where they can lean on it. They're looking for any way to improve these kinds of things. And the chain gang is something that was operating seemingly 100 years ago. If there was a chip in a football that could give you a better reading, then that would be great. But I still think there are issues with that that the league is trying to get through. There's no surefire solution. Even if there were a chip in the football, it doesn't ensure that that football, football would have been properly marked whether it was or wasn't a first down and the AFC championship game. But the league absolutely has been looking at this. It would love for the technology to be developed. It would love to be able to use it. If it makes sense, it certainly will.
- [41:00]
Pat McAfee
So. And I saw a lot of people talking about how tennis has Hawkeye and everything. They tried it. The NFL tried Hawkeye during preseason and it was terrible. So bad. It was like a four or five minute wait and then nothing. It was very bad. I don't know how the technology doesn't exist or the NFL and the right partner hasn't got in there. You got to remember it has to be 100%. You know, this tech has to be 100%. Very rarely is technology 100%. That is like a, a very big flaw of tech can operate high. But then every once in a while there'll be a flub if we rely on this tech, which I, I'm in for, believe me. I've been calling for the chain gang's head for years now at this point because I'm about tired of seeing 85 year old whites trot out there with this thing. And that's the authority on whether or not somebody gets another set of downs or not. But it's like the tech. If that thing flubs any bit, then now all of a sudden the tech is in to screw. I mean, there is. It's something they got to get right, like. And I'm not sure they've been able to find the right thing. Hopefully the right tech partner comes around, because in 2025, with all the shit we're capable of doing, you would assume. You'd assume we'd be able to know where the hell a football is on a football field that is being tracked at all times.
- [42:09]
Ty Schmidt
Well, and even with the tennis, like, John McEnroe told you, like, hey, we tennis people don't even believe that the players.
- [42:16]
Pat McAfee
Tennis players.
- [42:16]
Ty Schmidt
Players, yeah. Rather don't believe that that is 100% accurate. So if it were to be a situation like that where it would flub in, the Chiefs, get the ball either way, then it's just all, oh, now this is a. Yeah, that's even more so.
- [42:28]
Pat McAfee
This is a systemic issue now coming from the tech to the entire thing. So I understand why the NFL has tried to be like, we're trying, but we need something that is 100% right. Because if that's not right, now you're talking. Talking about an even bigger controversy and conspiracy that starts cooking out of it all.
- [42:44]
Connor
Well, and I read that the chip in the football is in the middle of the football, too. So, like, that's why they can't use it. Because, like, it's going to, you know, if, like, the tip of the football gives them a first down, the chip's going to read like, oh, that was still a couple inches behind.
- [42:55]
Pat McAfee
What's that called? Not a radius. A radius is from the center to the outside. Yeah, you would assume the radius would be similar in every football, so you'd be able to do the math. But nonetheless, all you need is that chip the glitch one time, and all of a sudden you have a bigger conspiracy than ever before. Shefty, we'll see you down in New Orleans. We appreciate the hell out of you, buddy.
- [43:14]
Adam Schefter
Safe travels down here, guys. Appreciate it. Have a great Monday.
- [43:17]
Pat McAfee
You're the man. Hey, this has been pretty good. We saw the sun move, you know, we saw the sun move off your face into the sky a little bit.
- [43:23]
Adam Schefter
That's the NOLA sun, the NOLA daylight hours, wherever it is. Yeah, it's. It's gotten cloudy here since I first came on the show here supposed to.
- [43:30]
Pat McAfee
Be mid-70s all week. We cannot wait to get down. Oh, yes. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Thank you, buddy. 60, 64 today in Indiana. 31 tomorrow. So we're in the middle of that whole thing. And that rat bastard out of Punxsutawney. I'm sick of seeing him. I'm from Pennsylvania. Okay. So I understand. Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania. Beautiful place. Great tradition. All that good celebration. I think they party pretty good. There. Would like to be a part of it. I'm about tired of that little weasel piece of trash. I'm about sick. Remember in 2020 when the world was going bad and everybody was living a terrible life? All we needed was that little piece of vermin to come out and say, you know what? Sun's gonna come out. And said Went back in there piled on top of us. It was at that moment. I'm not going to let this little piece of shit decide whether or not I'm happy or the sun's coming.
- [44:12]
Connor
I agree. Although I do have a little bit more of a soft spot for him because I. I think I saw that this is his first Groundhog Day as a father. So.
- [44:19]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, no, he wasn't paying attention.
- [44:21]
Connor
You know, I mean, that's. That's a big deal.
- [44:24]
Ty Schmidt
Need him dead more weeks.
- [44:25]
Pat McAfee
Too busy boning as opposed to reading the damn Doppler. I need Punk's. When was the last time he said spring was coming? Never.
- [44:34]
Connor
Decades, probably.
- [44:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. It's because he pops up. He's a scaredy cat. We need a little ground rat, has a little bit more moxie that doesn't poke his head out, see all the cameras and go and goes back in there.
- [44:47]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [44:47]
Pat McAfee
I'm six. Well, good news, boys.
- [44:48]
Michael Cole
Staten Island Chuck didn't see his shadow.
- [44:50]
Pat McAfee
He said it's an early spring this year. Oh, great. Yeah, but nobody saw Staten Island Chuck, so. And we don't know. Si.
- [44:57]
Ty Schmidt
Chuck's a bit of a dog.
- [44:58]
Pat McAfee
But.
- [44:58]
Ty Schmidt
But if. If Phil's saying winter and Phil is clapping cheeks with all the other groundhogs. He's having kids. We're never going to get an early spring from Phil.
- [45:07]
Pat McAfee
That's the issue. Maybe it's cuffing season still for Phil.
- [45:10]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he's just trying to stay. Stay in his ground. His hole. Multiple.
- [45:15]
Pat McAfee
I was going to say. He obviously has many holes. Angle. There's always an angle. I guess selfishly, he is just out there spreading it.
- [45:25]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [45:25]
Pat McAfee
Studding himself out.
- [45:26]
Ty Schmidt
Why would I want to leave my hole or any of them?
- [45:29]
Pat McAfee
I don't want sun to come.
- [45:31]
Connor
No.
- [45:31]
Pat McAfee
I hope for more winter.
- [45:32]
Ty Schmidt
Just me.
- [45:34]
Pat McAfee
And that's what I've been saying about this little piece of trash this entire time. So dumpster rat, groundhog piece of. Just get the hell out of my life. Yeah, have the party. Have the Punxsutawney party, because I think people have a good time, sure. But I'm tired of us acting like this thing has any idea. It doesn't. It's not Joe Nardo, okay? Any Joe Nardo come up out of his grave and tell us whether or not spring's coming. Another Pennsylvania legend joining us now is a man who changed sports completely with one tweet. A man who said, yeah, I am the senior NBA insider at espn. A man who said, wait a minute. Is this real? And then fired off a hundred million view tweet. Ladies and gentlemen, Shyam Charanya Shami, how you doing? You peacocking around a little bit around those ESPN studios? You know, some people probably had a little bit of a question. Why we bringing in Sham Sharanya? It should be me. I'm not helping this guy out. And all you do is fire off a tweet a little bit after midnight, change the trajectory of the entire NBA. Not only this season, but forever. Congrats, Shawnz. We're proud of you, buddy.
- [46:43]
Shams Charania
Listen, I had no idea. You never know. Going to trade deadline, what it's going to be like.
- [46:47]
Pat McAfee
But.
- [46:48]
Shams Charania
But this, obviously. Pat, you saw me. I was lounging at my house. You posted the picture of me with my unmade hair and my glasses. Yeah, there you go. You gave the viewers a look at how I am when I'm not doing anything.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, you aren't expecting this. Let's talk about the story. And everybody was saying it was fake. Everybody's saying you were hacked. You know, it was too big of a story for little Sham Sharania to break. It was too big of a story for this to actually happen in reality. So I wanted to FaceTime you because I was still up after Royal Rumble. Tough to sleep after those WWE events for me. So I FaceTime you. Just see if you answer. You couldn't even answer because your phone was going off. So you had to answer me on a computer, which is why my phone was literally malfunction.
- [47:32]
Shams Charania
I swear it was malfunctioning. I had up to 300 unread messages. I kept getting call after call after call. I swear my phone malfunctioned because I had to start taking, like, FaceTimes off my Mac. I had to Start texting off my Mac. So shout out Apple, you know, I guess they're making products for, for, you know, these, these different ways for you to get, you know, access to your text messages or whatever.
- [47:53]
Pat McAfee
But, and Apple understand that when Shams wants to break the world, he needs to be able to access the rest of the world afterwards. You should be incredibly proud of yourself, Shams. That's a big ass deal, brother. How'd it come about? How to come about? Obviously you said you were lounging. How long had you known this was happening? I think old buddy Collins said a few weeks back he reached out to Pelinka or whatever at the Lakers and he said we kept it real tight, we kept it real tight just to see what was possible. When did you find out about this and what do you think this messaging is from both teams about the particular trade?
- [48:24]
Shams Charania
So Pat, the formal offer of Luka Nachos was made really recently, really over the last week or so. And when, when Nico Harrison called Rob Pelinka and offers Luka Doncic in a trade, obviously that's nothing that Rob Polinka is thinking about on a day to day basis. The Lakers never are going to shop Anthony Davis or try to trade Anthony Davis. So the Mavericks are really the ones that initiated this conversation, that made this formal offer. And it's interesting, Pat, this is a peek back in the, into my life. Last week I was hearing some stuff around the Mavericks and the Lakers that they might be discussing a player in a trade. And, and, and that might have been the greatest smokescreen ever. Like, because clearly it wasn't that player. It was something way bigger, way more, you know, seismic, nuclear. Every word you can come up with, like, this is one of the biggest trades in pro sports. This is the biggest trade, most shocking trade in NBA history. When you think about Luka Doncic, Anthony Davis, they're to all NBA players. Anthony Davis in all of this I think has gotten, he's 31, he's gotten a little bit short end of the stick here. He's an all NBA player, He's an all defensive player. He just had a 4020 game in his last game for the Lakers. Like he can play. And the Mavericks clearly believe that him and Kyrie Irving and those guys on that roster will give this Mavericks team a better chance to win a championship. They're betting against Luka Doncic. They're betting against Luka Doncic as his ability to sustain fitness, his body, his physique. And, and they are going all in on Anthony Davis. Clearly that's the player that they targeted. But on the other hand, this is luka Doncic. He's 25 years old. He's the face of this Mavericks franchise.
- [50:09]
Pat McAfee
Now.
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Shams Charania
He's going to be the face of the Lakers franchise, a franchise that has LeBron James on this roster. And, and LeBron James at the, at the age of 40 years old is going to be able to, at the year 22, be able to mentor Luka Doncic in a lot of ways, like give him so much wisdom to be able to take it to another level. And that's someone that Luka Doncic idolized and has a lot of respect for as well. So listen, I never thought there would be a day where the Mavericks would trade Luka Doncic outside of him requesting to be traded. Mark Cuban said in recent years he would rather get a divorce than trade Luka Doncic. They were going to build a statue for Luka Doncic outside the Dallas Mavericks arena. And just quickly, just as quickly, they had traded him and they let him know several minutes before I put the news out that Lakers let Anthony Davis know before I put this news out. And off we go.
- [51:01]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so obviously a lot there. Congratulations on you getting the scoop. You said that Dallas is betting against Luca's conditioning and being able to stay in shape. There's also a tie to the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks with ad, right. Isn't he kind of like used to work at Nike? They kind of did the deal together. This. When did this all happen? Because we. The video of Luca enjoying a beer after a big time game and somebody from the Mavericks taking the beer out of his hand obviously recycles around the Internet. When did the Mavericks say, you know what, this guy's fat. This guy isn't a professional. This guy isn't who we want to build around. Because to your point, it felt like that was like Kyrie was going to Lucas team. And on the Lakers side, they got to build around Anthony Davis. They can't build around LeBron. Was the conversation, when do these things change? And did it only change with AD and Lakers because Luka was available?
- [51:53]
Shams Charania
I mean it had to have changed. It clearly changed this season. Like Luka Doncic, you know, everyone likes to make. You know, there's always this commentary about his weight, about his conditioning, about his game shape, how he's looking. This is, is something year over year gets, gets, gets talked about, gets dissected. But at the end of the day, Luka Doncic is a perennial MVP candidate. At the end of the day no matter what he looks like, no matter his physique, no matter he's a good, chubby player. He just led the Dallas Mavericks to the NBA Finals seven months ago. But for whatever reason, and I will say this, there has been levels of friction with Luka Doncic and not the roster, but the organization and even, even the medical staff, the performance staff and stuff that, you know, you would think that you manage and you work through because of the talent that Luka Doncic is, because of the greatness of Luka Doncic. But clearly the Mavericks felt in order to win a championship, right now, we are not. This is in their mind, we are not gonna be able to do it Luka Doncic the way we're going to be able to do it with Anthony Davis. That is the gamble that they're making. Making. That's the bet that they're making. And who knows, I mean, if they win a championship in the next three years, justifiable to do this trade. Because for the Lakers, this is more for the longer term. This is for the next 10 years. This is the set that their franchise up got it.
- [53:15]
Pat McAfee
And whenever the Mavs came and played the Pacers 77 jerseys throughout the entire arena, I assume that is everywhere. So for the Mavericks front office to be like, I wish he on the Mavericks, that is what I wish. Although I like Anthony Davis, I like Kyrie, it's like Luka was your show pony brother. And let's see what life is like without it. Saw what happened with the Cavs yesterday against the Mavs. Now we only have a few minutes here. There's a lot happening around the NBA, especially in your world. And Luca misses out on that supermax because he goes to a new team, can't get 345. I think it's like 200 and something. Whatever the case, that was decided by this Nico guy that Luka can no longer make that. Even though he put that entire city, franchise and NBA on his back. If I'm Luka, it's a big fuck them all party happening. And hopefully LeBron's able to get him tightened up. Only a couple minutes. Big deal though, happening in Miami still.
- [54:07]
Darius Butler
Yes, names on the move, but Jimmy Butler not been one of them yet. What's the latest with Jimmy Butler in Miami?
- [54:14]
Shams Charania
I feel like it's deja vu, db like every single day we're talking about the same thing. For the last two months, the Phoenix Suns are fully focused on trying to get a deal done for Jimmy Butler. From everything I'm told they are working on 3, 4, 5 team trade scenarios to figure out a pathway for Jimmy Butler. They want to put Jimmy Butler on this team with Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and trying to compete for a championship. That is what this trade deadline is going to be about. Will there be a team out there in the marketplace that will want to take on Bradley Beal and his $110 million for the next two years? They have three first round picks that they're making available in the marketplace from my understanding. So, so that's the team around the league that people understand is where Jimmy Butler wants to go. That's the place that he would commit long term to, is the Phoenix Suns, not the warriors, no one else. And so we'll see between now and Thursday, will a deal done get done with Jimmy Butler and the Phoenix Suns?
- [55:08]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so he turned down the Warriors. Allegedly. The warriors have been very active. We have about a minute here. Are they going to end up making any moves? Somebody just reported on the Internet, who knows what's real, what isn't at this point that they're maybe Even looking in LeBron, this has been a story that's happened like four or five different times.
- [55:21]
Shams Charania
Are the warriors, the warriors are legitimately calling about every All Star player. You just name the all star player. The warriors have probably called it. And Paul George. They probably called, they have called, they made calls on every star. And that of course includes players like LeBron, players like Kevin Durant, players like Jimmy Butler. They are making calls. They, they, they are, are dead set on trying to find another star player, superstar player with Stephen Curry. That is another subplot to this trade deadline as well.
- [55:50]
Pat McAfee
Okay, and last question. De'Aaron Fox, like you said, ends up with the San Antonio Spurs. That was very expected.
- [55:55]
Shams Charania
Massive move. Massive move. Because this is someone with Victor Wamanyama. We've been talking, how do we get some talent with Victor Wamanyama? And the spurs are under pressure to get talent around Victor Wemanyama. And it's not even pressure from Victor Wemanyama, it's pressure. Just how they're putting it on themselves, just based on how they see him playing and the greatness that he's displaying on a daily basis. So All Star Garden De'Aaron Fox, we see the details right there. Going to San Antonio. He's going to be the duo, the dynamic duo with Victor Romanyama for years and years to come. And Zach Levine, three first round picks, three second round picks going to Sacramento. So Sacramento does get an All Star.
- [56:35]
Pat McAfee
Of this as well. You're Great. We appreciate you, NBA Senior Insider. Show some damn respect. Sham Sharania.
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- [57:51]
Adam Schefter
Going to name some now.
- [57:53]
Pat McAfee
Sitting in traffic, folding a fitted bedsheet, listening to your co worker talk about.
- [57:59]
Connor
His fantasy team digging a hole.
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Pat McAfee
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- [58:14]
Michael Cole
Let's get them over with.
- [58:19]
Hulk Hogan
Football.
- [58:20]
Pat McAfee
They is magical and obviously the biggest, biggest week of the year will kick off as we head down to Radio Row in New Orleans. No.
- [58:30]
Connor
Hell yeah.
- [58:31]
Pat McAfee
That's 28 year WWE veteran and voice of the WWE Michael Cole. Yeah, it's not baseball. Baseball is reporting, I guess. Pitchers and catchers. Yeah, it's way too early for that. Nobody watch Soto and let's go Mets. Maybe this baseball year is the best year of all time. But we will never speak of that again. Especially on this particular week with all the NBA news that's happening. The NHL is certainly awesome, the WWE is on fire and six days from now, down in New Orleans, we will crown a Super bowl champion who will be at the top of Lombardi Mountain. Will it be the Kansas City Chiefs for the third straight year? Or will it be the Philadelphia Eagles who have been in the tour two of the last three Super Bowls. Congrats to all teams and congrats to these players who are going to put on the biggest and most watched event in the history of the world, potentially. I did see some people on Twitter say, I'm still not watching the Super Bowl. I'm still not watching because of everything that happens. But I am hearing a lot of ex players and a lot more pundits come out and say, hey, you know, the script stuff and work stuff that they're doing, it's all because there's too many trash ass refs in the league. Now the refs have not been buried every single week of this season, but in a couple of the biggest moments of the season, the refs have certainly made some questionable calls. So will that change in the offseason. Roger Goodell's press conference, annual press conference is happening today at some point where he has to address everything. It's the first one and the only one where it's kind of open questions and he sits up there and answers it all. Will this be the year that changes things going, going forward for the officials? Will this be the year where maybe officiating gets a little bit more help from technology? Will this be the year Roger Goodell addresses a potential bad call hurting the product on the field and hurting the popularity of the sport? We shall see. I doubt it. The toxic table is here at Boston. Connor and that Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler's here. Look very cool. D. Bart. Okay, so we had Scheffer on about the Miles Garrett request. We shall see how that goes. Two years left on his contract, non guaranteed. Could be a business move which has certainly happened in the past. But this is defensive player of the year guy. Potentially on the move. Have to talk about it. Had Shams on about the massive nuclear trade that took place on Saturday night just shortly after midnight Eastern time. What did you learn from Shams in that conversation? D but. And what did you learn from Schefter today from his conversation?
- [60:54]
Darius Butler
Well, Shams, the Warriors are calling every, every, would you say basically every all Star. You know, I saw a report that they called about Kevin Durant, so that's definitely true. Why I watched, actually watched a little bit of a Warriors game a couple nights ago. Saw Steph Curry. You know, he looked very, very frustrated. Doesn't look like a team that can compete. He's still playing at a high level. So interested to see what other Steve Kerr.
- [61:15]
Pat McAfee
Real bummed out too. Since November.
- [61:17]
Darius Butler
We need a name for Sean Sue. When he drops this type of news. If you drop a 100 million view tweet, like you need a. You know.
- [61:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Wo kind of took the bomb phrase. Sham's name. Much better.
- [61:28]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [61:28]
Pat McAfee
Seam's bomb is obviously much better. But wo kind of had that for a while. And we all know how wo potentially felt about Shams coming up in the business. You know, you know how people act. But he has obviously a lot of friends in the business, done a lot of great things for the NBA. We thought Sean was dropped maybe, but that's not powerful enough.
- [61:46]
Ty Schmidt
Sean slam.
- [61:48]
Pat McAfee
Oh, oh.
- [61:49]
Darius Butler
Maybe that might be a good one.
- [61:50]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. The sh sh. It's going to be tough to get behind.
- [61:54]
Ty Schmidt
It's not big enough.
- [61:55]
Pat McAfee
All of them are tough. Maybe it's just a shs. I drop shs. Drop dropping shms. I mean, shite. I don't know if we should maybe sh. A sham ton bomb. Maybe it is a sham ton bomb. But then once again, there's a bomb in there.
- [62:12]
Connor
Yeah, you're right.
- [62:13]
Pat McAfee
So I, you know, it's tough. It was. He's still new in the game even though he's a senior new in the national sense.
- [62:20]
Darius Butler
Biggest NBA history ever for sure.
- [62:23]
Pat McAfee
100 million viewed tweet in like three days. Absolutely insane.
- [62:28]
Darius Butler
And then with Chef, he. He doesn't seem convinced that Garrett is going to leave.
- [62:33]
Hulk Hogan
He.
- [62:33]
Darius Butler
He. It kind of sounded like to him coming out of that conversation at least that he thinks a deal will get worked out there in Cleveland. He'll probably become the newest hire, paid defensive man, which will be a lot of money. That's 35 million. That's up there with the top wide receivers with that number to jump Bosa. So that's what it's kind of sound like to me at least with Shefty. But maybe that's just what he's hearing from Andrew Barry.
- [62:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Shefty's sitting in the corner of a hotel room. Probably one of those chairs that the American hotel rooms all have. Sure. Remember that one room I was in that had the two oversized ones double. I don't know if it's like a super sized. We only take 500 pound cucks in here. But whatever it is, I mean that was an interesting. That was where those seats were super sized.
- [63:10]
Connor
Oh yeah.
- [63:11]
Pat McAfee
And they were sitting. I mean they were directly. It makes you wonder what the hell is going on all these roofs. You know, hotel designers understand what's their bread and butter, I guess. But you walk in one of those things, it's like, okay, that is. Is that an office chair? No, that looks like somebody's trying to get comfortable over there. And they got the lotion literally sitting right next to it.
- [63:32]
Connor
Yeah.
- [63:33]
Pat McAfee
What the hell's going on in this room?
- [63:34]
Michael Cole
Where's this hotel?
- [63:36]
Pat McAfee
Every one of them. You've been in them before. Yeah, you've certainly been them. You. Man, who's been a road war for 28 years out there. But Schefter sitting in the corner of a hotel, basically said, it's cute. Out of miles. That's very cute. But Andrew Baron's not going to let it happen. But you start looking at the numbers, it's like with how much they give to Sean Watson. Right. And how much money is available for their entire roster and what the future looks like there. Are they even going to be able to satisfy Myles Garrett enough? Whether it's contractually, whether it's what they think the future is going to be? Because if he does want to win, are the Browns ever going to be able to for the next three years with the dead cap and the hit that they have with deshaun Watson don't look like, let alone all the other they gave up to get DeSean Watson with picks and everything. It's like, I don't know. Now Sean Watson might get back to form. Okay. Deshaun Watson might get back to playing great football. Very dynamic. Doubtful. He tore his Achilles twice in the last six months. So I don't know if that's even possible. Certainly. Certainly not a bright spot on a football field or I'm not even going to get into it. That's happening too much in the NFL. We need to cut that off, especially with that particular profession that is very synonymous with professional sports and needed in this entire thing. Nonetheless, Miles Garrett, he did sound like he's not a believer in anything other than maybe business getting done. But can they even do that? And can they still feel. Can they. Will they even be able to be anywhere near a winning football program if they pay Miles and they have to pay desean what they already owed him? Probably not. And you're sitting in the Ravens division. They've already paid Lamar and they're still just adding pieces to that particular team. And you assume the Pittsburgh Steelers are always going to be a winning franchise, so that's tough. The AFC north going to be tough to kind of get over the hump in. How much does Miles make their life miserable? Is basically what Sheftron was saying. Go ahead, con man.
- [65:16]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [65:17]
Ty Schmidt
And I mean, it really does depend on what he said. Like, if it is for like, I want to go and chase the Super Bowl. Then he wouldn't even take the highest paid deal because it would completely handicap their team even more. So. And they're not like. And granted no one's a couple players away, of course you need to build an entire team. But they are so bad at football and they really haven't been that good. Obviously, the coaching hasn't really changed. Stefanski's there another year. They have another year here where it's going to be a new starting quarterback. Like, if he does want a bunch of money and this is a business deal, the entire thing is going to be even worse if they're pairing him more.
- [65:51]
Pat McAfee
Michael Cole, you're a Jets fan, so obviously you understand the feeling. Browns fans think, like, we go from bad to worse somehow.
- [65:58]
Michael Cole
And I was thinking about the jets with this. So say they say the Browns decide that, okay, we're going to, we're going to trade Garrett.
- [66:04]
Pat McAfee
Right.
- [66:05]
Michael Cole
And doesn't Miles have to reach an agreement with the new team before it happens?
- [66:11]
Pat McAfee
Still has two years left on his. Well, my point is you want to assume he would have to.
- [66:14]
Michael Cole
You run into a Hasan Reddick situation. Yes, like we like last year. So that's the other concern in this whole thing. I mean, Garrett may say that he wants to go to a Super bowl contender, but I don't think he's leaving the Browns with two years left, no guaranteed money. I think he needs to work out a new deal with the new team.
- [66:28]
Pat McAfee
New deal, trade, compensation. I mean, there's a lot that goes into this if they were to get traded. But the Browns could get a hall in trying to rebuild a team that they've kind of already messed up. You know, a lot of people wonder why Andrew Barry's still there, why Stefanski's there. I think the ownership were the ones that forced the DeSean Watson move. So I think they kind of feel bad. I think the ownership's like I put, I haven't even given you guys really a chance. So I think Andrew Barry's in a position now. Does he start looking to the future to rebuild? Because the hole you can get from Miles Garrett is certainly something, but I assume ownership is like, we're not getting rid of Myles Garrett either. So there's always, you know, I don't say politics, but there is always shit happening behind the scenes.
- [67:08]
Michael Cole
Once someone says they want out, why do you want them as a part of your organization anymore?
- [67:12]
Pat McAfee
Happens in the NFL and money has a funny way of kind of figuring out Those types of situations and those issues. This is defensive player of the year, though. This is a whole different level of conversation. I personally, if I was running a team, would hopefully not be in a position that Brown's currently in.
- [67:27]
Ty Schmidt
Never.
- [67:28]
Pat McAfee
Hopefully never. You know, but if a guy doesn't want to be here, I am. Get him the hell out of here. That is not somebody we want in our team. But Myles Garrett is a guy that's like, if we can have him on our team, we would certainly like to have him on our squad. But what I was asking you about, Browns fans got to think like we're dead. Jets fans always think we're dead. But don't forget the Commanders, fans thought they were dead too just one year ago. Now, new ownership, new coach, new quarterback, had to do a whole cycle, but now all of a sudden they're up and in there. Do you think there's a chance that's coming for the Jets? Obviously with new head coach, new gm, do you think there's a chance of that?
- [68:04]
Michael Cole
We've had the longest playoff drought in all the four major sports. It's been what, 2010. I don't even remember the last time we were in the playoffs forever. So the point is, yeah, Aaron Glenn and I was concerned about him in the beginning because I thought it was a Robert Sala situation all over again. Defensive coordinator comes in first time, head coach has to build the team around him. But then I listened to his press conference and it was much different than anything I've ever heard out of any coach since Rex Ryan. When he took over the team, he was fired up. It sounds like he's not going to take any nonsense, he's not going to take any bs. He's a former Jet player, so he's invested in this franchise. I remember watching him, he was a student, so, you know, I got to give him the benefit of the doubt. The key is they have a lot of talent. Like I said earlier, there is a lot of talent on this team. And I think if they bring Rogers back and Aaron wants to come back and they get good leadership because the coaching staff sucked last year. It stunk. I mean, when they got rid of Salah, they brought in the other Brick guy. I mean, he stunk. So at the end of the day.
- [69:04]
Pat McAfee
He just became defense corner. Oh, Falcon. Sorry.
- [69:08]
Michael Cole
So. So at the end of the day, if Rogers comes back, we have a lot of talent. Aaron Glenn's got to just try to change the culture in, in the clubhouse.
- [69:17]
Pat McAfee
It is possible though. Commanders were able to do it now, granted, you're gonna have to get new leadership, which they have done. Browns fans, I think they all just understand until this desean deal's done, which is another two years. Yep. We just gotta kind of sit on this thing and it's just gonna suck. So. Shout out to the Miz. Shout out to people. Cleveland, we'll be in your town tonight. Yep. Can't wait to talk about. Can't wait to talk about it. Made Miles comes through wwe Monday Night Raw. Speaking of Monday Night Raw, every city we go to, every person in every building puts their hands up like this. And then they say, every celebrity that comes through the wwe, no matter their stature, no matter how long they've been famous for, no matter how many fans or followers they have, all they want to do is put their hands up like this and say, yee. This past weekend at Lucas Oil stadium, there were 70,000 plus with their hands just like this. And then they would go, yeet. To this man who punched his ticket to the main event of WrestleMania by winning the Men's Royal Rumble two days ago. Ladies and gentlemen, future hall of Famer, as a member of the Usos, what will his singles career look like? Well, vastly different now that he's won the Royal Rumble, ladies and gentlemen, with a rocket ship on his back. J uso, what up, man? What up, Pat?
- [70:38]
Jey Uso
Hey, man, thanks for the introduction.
- [70:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, no problem. You've earned it. You deserve it. I see you wearing that shirt. 1 of 1. The big Jim Jimmy Uso presented to you alongside Jacob Fatu back in Gorilla immediately after the rumble. Let's talk about it. How emotional were you? Was it in the ring? Was it when you got to the back? When did it really all settle in that you're now going to the main event at WrestleMania?
- [71:01]
Jey Uso
Man, it hasn't hit me yet hard at all. Because right now it feels like another day at the office, you know what I'm saying? We did a Royal Rumble in India, in Indianapolis, got on the road. It was headed to Cleveland. You know, I'm just trying to mark the shows off right now. Now with my son back here somewhere.
- [71:21]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, yeah.
- [71:21]
Jey Uso
Say what up? Yeah, yeah, we moving. It was. It was emotional, though. When I seen my brothers waiting on me in the back and I know there was a camera right there, I. I wanted to cry right there when I was hugging him, but I was like, not right now, cuz. Not right now.
- [71:38]
Hulk Hogan
We.
- [71:39]
Jey Uso
We still working. We still working. But, uh. Feels good, man. Feels good. It ain't hit me yet, though.
- [71:44]
Pat McAfee
Well, it should feel very good. And I want to let you know, me and Cole almost cried whenever it happened. It came out of nowhere, obviously. Incredible performance by you knocking off John Cena. You did see him, and you knocked his ass out of the ring at the end there. When you're sitting in the ring and you hear 70,000 people go crazy at excitement, do you understand that all the hard work is paying off? And do you understand that this is a moment you've dreamed of? You said it's another day at the office, but. But it's been a long road to get to this point. Have you thought back on it at all? And how do you kind of feel and what do you do next? Now, heading into WrestleMania, and, yeah, I'm.
- [72:22]
Jey Uso
Still at the drawing board, but I do appreciate all the love and all the text messages, all the. Thank you, Z. Just a lot of love, man. A lot of people behind me. When I did push John out the. Out the. Out the ring, man, my first. My first, I kept saying, oh, oh, oh, oh, S word. Oh, s word. Oh, s word. You know, I did it. I did it, I did it, I did it. It was. And it didn't hit me until, like, this moment right here. And now. Now John's in there with me, and I'm like, man, what the. Oh, my bad. I'm like, we about to go again. We gotta go again. I'm like, I thought. I thought I pushed your ass out the ring already. But, yeah, he's just giving respect right here. It was for sure.
- [73:03]
Pat McAfee
Obviously, you've been around the business long, long time. The bloodline. Your family's been around the business a long time. Royal Rumble winning. It is historically significant for any situation. What have you heard from the family? What have you heard from dad? Maybe. What have you heard from everybody? And how have those messages.
- [73:21]
Michael Cole
Go ahead, before you answer that. I don't know if Pops told you, but as soon as the Rumble was over, I was staying out of the. And I walked into the hotel and your dad was there, and he was in the back, and they had a rumble watch party, and you didn't. Your dad had no idea what was going on, and he walked out and he had these tears in his eyes, and he gave me this massive hug. That's Rikishi, of course, the hall of Famer. And Keesh said to me, he goes. He had no words for it. I mean, he was so incredibly proud of you. And as you know, he has been one of your biggest supporters through all of this and all the Ups and downs in your career. And it was just an incredible moment for me to see him and see that emotion out of him when you had just won that match.
- [74:06]
Jey Uso
Yeah, man. My dad called right when I was in the locker room. He called Jace, actually, and then Jace gave me the phone, and I had him on FaceTime.
- [74:14]
Hulk Hogan
And I was.
- [74:14]
Jey Uso
You know, I was back there with John, CM Punk, my brothers were there. So we did. We did have a good talk, man. But I love my father.
- [74:20]
Hulk Hogan
Father.
- [74:21]
Jey Uso
You know, he looks at me like, just like his son again, like, rooting for me. It feels good. It was. I. I like to keep my. Because my dad knows everything in the business, man, so I'm not gonna tell him everything. I want to surprise him, too. And he was, man, he was. He was very excited, man. And shout out to my dad, man. I think I am, though. Like, I saw a picture today, like, out of all my family, it's. It's Rock Roman Yokozuna. And now I get to be a part of that. That group, man. So there's four of us, man. So I'm. I'm. I'm ready to rock with it.
- [74:51]
Hulk Hogan
It was.
- [74:51]
Jey Uso
Man, I'm just. The.
- [74:53]
Hulk Hogan
The.
- [74:53]
Pat McAfee
The.
- [74:53]
Hulk Hogan
The.
- [74:54]
Jey Uso
This yeet train is just starting, bro. I'm going to WrestleMania ooze. I'm gonna take one of these titles off one of these foods, regardless of who it is, because it's all business now, man. That's what all I'm about.
- [75:04]
Hulk Hogan
And.
- [75:04]
Jey Uso
And I just want to show the world what, what. What I'm. What can hold this for 10 minutes?
- [75:19]
Pat McAfee
And they'll stay. They certainly will. Which is a big part of the story, you know, and I. I mentioned it during the introduction. Since I've been back, every arena we've gone into and before I left, every arena we were in and then internationally at France and all these other stops, every single person is pumped. Whenever you come into the building, there's a, you know, there's an aura that radiates around you. Every celebrity, every that gets involved with the WWE wants to come out and yeet with you. And then there's some reaction on the Internet of people being a little bit bummed out that you won the Rumble. Have you seen that? How do you feel about that? And how do you frame that in your mind?
- [75:59]
Jey Uso
That's them most. Yeah, like, that's them. That's your opinion news, you know, you don't strap my boots every week you're not on the road like I am every week. Like you said earlier, I saw earlier it was all the bumps, handshakes, all that side stuff that don't nobody see. All the early flights, rental cars, man, I ain't pushing up and, you know, we ain't traveling with security guards around me. I'm in the trenches like everybody else, man. Oh, I, I, I don't pay no mind to that loose. If anything, like, I, I didn't need, I don't need none of that. O. I'ma just focus right here. It was tunnel vision. You either hop on the train or get off the train. But there's a lot of haters out there. Who's they talking? Because they can't walk it. So I'm, I'm, I'm just excited, bro. I'm all on the positive part. I've never thought I would be at this level, but now I'm here. Hell yeah, I'm here. And I got places to go to.
- [76:47]
Hulk Hogan
Yeet.
- [76:48]
Pat McAfee
Yeet. And you've earned it, too, Jay. I love hearing that.
- [76:51]
Michael Cole
Jay, listen, there's a lot of people in WWE that knew you were going to get to this point at some point in your career. I mean, I had the honor to call your very first match with your brother in wwe. And you know me, I've been along for the ride for so many years with you. And I think, you know, when you broke out into your singles career and the whole thing, the whole story with the bloodline and Roman and you turning on Roman, that really changed something for you, and you truly became the main event. Main event, Jay. Uso. And I'm so proud of you.
- [77:19]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah, Jay.
- [77:22]
Hulk Hogan
Hey, appreciate it.
- [77:23]
Jey Uso
Hey, hey, Cole, man, three times, man. Come on, man. We need to get that. You could do the dance with me correctly, but why everybody else?
- [77:29]
Hulk Hogan
I don't know.
- [77:30]
Michael Cole
Because you, I got a rhythm, I guess, but you do not have rhythm at all.
- [77:35]
Pat McAfee
Make sure that is clear.
- [77:36]
Michael Cole
I do thank Jay for one thing. Even in the moment of you celebrating winning the the biggest match of your career, you still took the time afterward in the ring with Pat me and Wade to yeet and also teach me how to yeet properly.
- [77:50]
Pat McAfee
There you go. Hey, I appreciate you doing that, Jay. Thank you.
- [77:53]
Jey Uso
Thanks. It was you over the door jumping yeet. I don't even know what that is.
- [77:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, hitting that thing sideways, Jay. I mean, it is a whole new game. The entrance has obviously taken over the world. The Yeet movement has taken over the world. D butt has a question for you.
- [78:07]
Darius Butler
Yeah. Big Ooze, Congratulations once again, man. It was dope seeing you in there, enjoying that with your son, especially, man. But where. Where did the yeet originate? Like, where did that come up? Was just part of how you were talking with somebody else, and you just brought it to the stage and then transcended even the business at this point. Where did that originate, man?
- [78:26]
Pat McAfee
They.
- [78:27]
Jey Uso
Man, me, my brothers. Roman always. Always said it like it was a little. It's just. It was just slang term, like, yay. Like that. It was with EE and. And we from the west, too. So a bunch of my family say it's a West coast slang, too. Then it became yeet with the. With like, the little memes or whatever. But that's how people originally think I got it from. But we. We've been on it. And then I had a press conference with Cody, man. Shout out to Cody Rose, man.
- [78:55]
Pat McAfee
He helped me.
- [78:55]
Jey Uso
He helped me put the heat on, because as soon as he started, he said it, like, two times. And then the next week, I had a. So I was like, cool. Appreciate it. It was. I'm about to rock with this. And I. I just. I just.
- [79:05]
Hulk Hogan
Then. Then.
- [79:05]
Jey Uso
Then this came with it.
- [79:06]
Pat McAfee
Now.
- [79:07]
Jey Uso
Now the yeet came with this. And I've never. I didn't never put two together. It just. It just worked together, you know? And Pat. No. Pat, no. There's a certain point in the. In the theme music where. Where the beat. You said it on tv.
- [79:18]
Hulk Hogan
She's like, hold up, Cole.
- [79:18]
Jey Uso
You're doing it, so you gotta wait for the beat to drop. I'm like, man, that's right, man. Come on, dog.
- [79:22]
Pat McAfee
Come on. Wait.
- [79:22]
Jey Uso
Okay, go.
- [79:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it is. And, you know, it's fun watching. Arena is filled with people with rhythm and without it, sure, you know, kind of catch on. But that is a moment of unity in every single city. I mean, it is.
- [79:36]
Jey Uso
You got to be there.
- [79:38]
Pat McAfee
It is so cool. It is so cool to be a part of when you're watching a TV I couldn't fathom. But being in the middle of it, it's. I black out in the middle of it. I'm having so much fun. I couldn't even imagine how you feel. Connor has a question for you.
- [79:49]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Jay, One of the things you do on a weekly basis has kind of come out from, you know, the crowd, which has been really cool. You were with Travis Scott, and he was burning some sage, and you guys were walking down in the arena, and those environments are insane. We were there on Saturday, and when you came out, the pop was insane, and everyone was yeeting all over the place. But how are those kind of entrances different from the ones where you're coming from the stage. Is there ever a time where you're walking down and you're worried, you know, maybe you might have to boot some in the face because they get in your way? Or what's kind of the difference in that type of entrance, man?
- [80:23]
Jey Uso
So the. So the craziest part with the concourse entrance, I gotta go up. I have time to. To go up through the concourse. But while I'm sitting there waiting for my music to hit, they're counting me down. Oh, you got, you got, you got. You got one minute. You got one minute. So I'm sitting there waiting. And what I mean, that's the craziest part of that entrance is when I'm sitting in the concourse with the people I'm talking about before I even walk out. Like, sitting there waiting to go. That is crazy, man. And I. And there was one moment where I was shooting the shot. She was shooting the. The shot to come out through the concourse.
- [80:59]
Hulk Hogan
Oo.
- [80:59]
Jey Uso
And the people weren't in the shot. So I switched cameras around to make it look like it was busy behind me. And. And the shot. And the shot just came out. Right. You know, I mean, they're producing too. I'm like, hey, yo, let's walk this way and then turn this way because the people's here. But now when, man, when that shot came out, that was my first shot I did. Now it's every time. I want him, I want them. I want all the kids, bro. Give me all the kids, man. You know, it's very fun, man. I got goosebumps thinking about it because I hope I get to do it tonight.
- [81:30]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I hope so too, you know, And Cleveland needs it.
- [81:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, they do.
- [81:35]
Pat McAfee
Cleveland needs to eat. Yeah. You know, Miles Garrett just requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland hasn't won anything. Yeah, they need you. Hey, they need you tonight, Jay. You know, I got him, I got him.
- [81:45]
Jey Uso
I got you, Cleveland. I got you.
- [81:46]
Pat McAfee
Okay. Hey, put the company on the back and a city on the back tonight. Ty has a question for you, Jay.
- [81:51]
Connor
Jay, Being in the crowd and eating with 70 plus thousand strong was, you know, it's something I'll remember for a long time. So congratulations. Oos. But just curious, like, when you're in the ring for the rumble, how do you not let the emotion of maybe like a previous rivalry or bad blood you have with other guys. Guys get in the way and kind of sidetrack you from what the ultimate goal is? We saw, you know, everything with Roman And Seth and Punk, and it kind of ended up biting those guys in the ass. How do you put that stuff away and just focus on the task at hand?
- [82:23]
Jey Uso
Man, my strategy, it was like, if you pay attention to the Royal Rumble, I was kind of low and in the corner, man. I was wrapped around the bottom rope like I anaconda. Like for half the time I was in there, man, I was just. Look, whoever came close, close to me, who close to me, that's the next person who I gotta get. Other than that, man, everybody was like in their feelings and stuff, man. I'm trying to.
- [82:42]
Hulk Hogan
They.
- [82:42]
Jey Uso
They won a couple Royal Rumbles and they won a couple championships, man. So I knew what I needed to do to put myself in a position. And then. And then when it was go time, it was go time. That's when John Cena had to come see me, cuz.
- [82:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. John Cena look good. Hey, he looked good, didn't he? I mean, you talking.
- [83:00]
Jey Uso
He always looked good, man.
- [83:02]
Pat McAfee
48. Wow.
- [83:03]
Michael Cole
Hey, Jay, what about what you were at the press conference, the post show. What about what Jon said? And you've known John a long time, like I have. He was. I've never heard Jon in the mood that he was in that night. And he basically said, I've done everything for this company for 25 years. It's time to put myself first. I think the best thing for business is for me to main event WrestleMania, for me to win my 17 title, to set a record. And he said he's going to go to elimination chamber and win elimination chamber in main event WrestleMania alongside you in Toronto, four weeks, March 1st. You know, and I think John believes that. I mean, you know, to me, he's the greatest of all time. And I know that you have some feelings for John as well. So what did it feel like for you, Jay, to actually eliminate that legend.
- [83:51]
Jey Uso
Man, he man, Cole, man, he man, man, that man, like, raised me, man. Raised me in. In the business. The old schedule was crazy, Cole, you know, like. Like working five days out the week, man. Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, go home Wednesday, repack Thursday, back out Friday. So we stopped, we spent a lot of time with him and he. He just taught us the game, man. And then when he comes back and he sees where me and my brother are or how. How we transcend it now, man, all he does is just say how proud.
- [84:24]
Hulk Hogan
He is of us.
- [84:25]
Jey Uso
Like, he loves us, man.
- [84:27]
Hulk Hogan
And.
- [84:27]
Jey Uso
And my family loves John too. John has been around my family for decades, man, so it's like full circles. When he came back in the ring and hugged me, man, I said, what? He told me, man. Like, I remember your first tour. Like, he was. He was shooting on me. He said, turn me. Turn me around. He's like, look at these people, man. Like, when he starts pointing, he's like, look at him. This is all for you. It was, congratulations. Love you, and he left. Let me have the ring, man. That's when I was like, There was just 29 people up in here.
- [84:57]
Pat McAfee
That was just me. Just you? Whose Day one ish. We're all proud of you. I think anybody associated with the WWE is incredibly proud of the work you've put in. You know, they talk about being over, and for those that aren't in the wrestling business, being over is like being liked, being respected, being appreciated by the fans. To say you're over would be an understatement. And I can't wait to watch the people show you some love tonight. You've earned it all, brother. Enjoy it. I'll see you in Cleveland. So will Cole here in a matter of moments.
- [85:28]
Jey Uso
All right, man, I'm. Hey, man, if I come through the concourse, man, I'm hopping the barricade. I'm gonna come dap y'all up now. Come on, man. Give it to him.
- [85:35]
Pat McAfee
Come on, Cole. Let's embarrass our families tonight. We're our races.
- [85:39]
Jey Uso
Oh, Cole, you better get your.
- [85:40]
Hulk Hogan
You better get pressure.
- [85:42]
Pat McAfee
Can you just. Can you just. With Cole.
- [85:46]
Jey Uso
No, man, I'm.
- [85:47]
Hulk Hogan
I'm.
- [85:48]
Pat McAfee
I'm. We gonna teach him. We gotta teach him. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen. Hey, tell Jace. Go ahead.
- [85:56]
Jey Uso
I was about to say no because that Cuz that last handshake with Quavo you did, I was like, oh, well, we gotta quit.
- [86:02]
Michael Cole
Whispered to me and says it's the worst thing he's ever seen.
- [86:05]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Worst of all time, I believe is the case. In the middle of the place going crazy. Tell Jace we said what's up? And congratulations yet again, man. You're going to WrestleMania love boost.
- [86:16]
Jey Uso
Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys.
- [86:17]
Pat McAfee
You too. Ladies and gentlemen, Jay uso. It's just him. Us.
- [86:23]
Michael Cole
Think about what. What he said. The four members of the Anoa family who have won the Royal Rumble, Yokozuna, the Rock, Roman Reigns. And now Jay uso. Yeah, what? What company?
- [86:37]
Pat McAfee
Well, there's an interview where Roman Reigns documentary. I believe it was his A and E documentary where he talked about how if I'm the only one that benefits from this, it's all been a mistake. And how he's tried to put over everybody. That's why it was the bloodline that was like, hey, we're lifting this up. That family, their importance to the WWE and to my life. Entertainment, massive. And now Jay USO is earning his own trail to the top of the entire thing.
- [87:01]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I saw that clip as well. And Jimmy USO gets like very emotional in it. And you can just tell how much it means to obviously them just being able to do it all together. And that's Cena thing. I didn't know that's what he said to Jay after that. That's really cool.
- [87:13]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it is. Yeah. Look around. This is all for you. I remember your first tour, those moments where the OG comes in and I don't want to say puts over, but that is kind of what happens. And like shows respect. There's. There's always been moments of the past where the Rock lifts up Roman's hand in front of everybody. I think the Rock did it to Cena as well. I think stone cold. It's like this is a big moment here.
- [87:36]
Michael Cole
It's the passing of the torch in the business.
- [87:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. In the business as such. Cena's had to do it for numerous people. Yeah.
- [87:41]
Michael Cole
And that's the thing about John. And that's why to me, he's the greatest of all time. Because the sustained longevity of him in the business and just coming back and doing this for people. I mean, John could have been selfish. I mean, he's one of the biggest stars on the planet. He could have walked in and said, I want to win the Royal Rumble.
- [87:56]
Hulk Hogan
Right.
- [87:56]
Michael Cole
And go to WrestleMania. He didn't do that. He understood what was important to Jey USA and what's important.
- [88:00]
Pat McAfee
Well, he tried.
- [88:01]
Connor
He tried to win.
- [88:02]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he tried. He tried to win.
- [88:04]
Darius Butler
He obviously try like hell.
- [88:06]
Pat McAfee
He did try like hell for dear life. The socks and shoes people are talking about Cena love them. They're okay. You thought this is best fit he's had?
- [88:17]
Connor
I think so. I think that's just a guy who's comfortable with his age, comfortable with his look and. And he's all about. He's trying to win. He's not trying to win the popular vote.
- [88:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he is trying to win a popular vote, though. We're trying to sell. We're trying to move these socks. Yeah.
- [88:28]
Connor
You know, I mean, you walk around that stadium the last time is now. I mean, you couldn't find one of those shirts.
- [88:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And it was Colts blue too, which is beautiful.
- [88:36]
Connor
It was.
- [88:36]
Hulk Hogan
He said.
- [88:37]
Darius Butler
Didn't he say he got inspo from you.
- [88:38]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I gave a little love. You know, me and John have had some incredible conversations. I appreciate and respect the hell out of John. Also because John, John is going to be an Oscar winner. Like John in a promo said, like I'm more likely to win an Oscar, which we know is going to happen than probably whatever, blah, blah, blah. And it's like John, really good actor, don't sell yourself. John does not have to come back to the wwe. Like, John has already cemented his legacy. John is already a goat conversation. Michael Cole calls him the goat. And his movie career is only taking off. It's only getting started with how great he is. And he's willing to do anything. Anything. Yeah, people call them humiliation rituals or whatever is what people say about John. John Cena is willing to do whatever. And that is why John Cena once again is. John Cena has never taken himself seriously, but takes his work seriously. It's like the perfect combination of a superstar.
- [89:27]
Michael Cole
Well, the other thing too is that Jon is he understands how important the WWE fans have been him for him for his entire career. So he wants to give back. So what he's doing is, is he's doing this year long retirement tour and the next stop is in elimination chamber in Toronto and then he goes on to Wrestlemania and this is it for him. But he's going to visit some 30 something cities this year so the fans can see him for one more time. And I think it's pretty cool.
- [89:50]
Pat McAfee
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, as we pivot away from the WWE back to some football conversation, is a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion, a Ryder cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, aj. Ha. I know you were yeeting over there in Ohio alongside all of us and congrats to Jay uso. Let's talk about some football. Miles Garrett has requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns. How do you feel about that? You think this is a business move? And did you hear Schefter basically say, I don't know if the Browns are going to let him go? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's partly a business movie, but he definitely wants out of there. I feel like the whole complacency thing, I feel like in the, in the. His message right here that you have popped up, that that tells you a lot. He feels like, yeah, there's no future here in Cleveland to, there's no path to a Super Bowl, I guess anytime soon. But I don't know, man, I don't know if they. How do you keep him around like you, he's not going to come into the facility. When does he come back? If you say now, we're good, we're not trading. Well, he doesn't have to for a long time. You know, mandatory OTAs and minicamp aren't until, what, June or May or something like that. So there's a lot of time between now and then. But I think if you listen to anybody talk about this, to get a trade done, there's going to have to be a lot of stuff that gets done. You know, the amount of things that are going to have to get figured out. And as Cole iterated to, you know, Hassan Reddick gets traded to the jets, they just think it's going to be okay. They don't get a deal done with him, he never steps foot in the building. Myles Garrett's going to need a deal done. We assume before he gets anywhere, the amount of compensation is going to be great. You go back to the Khalil Mack deal whenever he was 27 years years old, to Chicago out of the Raiders, it's like there's a lot of work that has to get done for a deal to come to place for Myles Garrett, but he certainly made a bird call for that. And then, you know, him saying he wants to win, not just go to Canton. Like, what is a contender? A contender in his eyes is basically how Schefter talked about it. Well, are they going to pay top dollar for Miles Garrett or is he going to take a discount to go to some of these places? There's just so many questions now that are out there. Inevitably, the Browns control all of it. A.J. yeah, but I want to know how much power Miles Garrett has. Does he have power in his contract to where he can shut a trade down? If he does not want to go to a team, he doesn't have any power like that. No, that's what Schefter brought up is like, this is. The Browns basically have all the power here, but Miles would have to get a deal done any place he goes to. So that's the control that he has. Like, if somebody's willing to offer up three ones or two ones a second and a fourth for Miles Garrett. If they can't get a deal done, they're not going to pull the trigger, you would hope, even though the jets have been able to do it in the past, unless they already talked to Miles and Miles says, yes, we get a deal done. Because Miles could do what Jimmy Butler just did. Jimmy Butler basically told the Warriors, I'M not going to do a long term agreement with you. So they didn't, they pulled their offer. They said they're not going to trade with the Miami Heat. So Miles has all the say because of that. But inevitably, if the Browns don't want to move on, it's the Browns say, and not Miles Garrett.
- [92:36]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, it happened with Brendan Aiuk over the off season with the New England Patriots, where the Niners and the Patriots agreed to terms on a trade, and then the Patriots and Brendan Aiyuk couldn't come to terms on a contract. So inevitably, obviously, it fell through. And then Brendan Ayuk still got paid in San Fran.
- [92:53]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so let's talk a little bit more about the football world, specifically in Ohio. You know, Miles Garrett in Cleveland. He says he's out. Chip Kelly heading over to the Raiders to be the offensive coordinator alongside Pete Carroll. Now, the Ohio State Buckeyes have lost both of their coordinators after winning a national championship. When you win, there's enough to go around. Doesn't mean it's going to be here, though. Could be somewhere else. He's allegedly making 6 million a year. And then offensive line coach for Ohio State, obviously, very important piece of it all. Justin Fry, friend of the program guy who was talking shit to me on the field as they were running away with it against your Oregon Ducks. He's set to become the Arizona Cardinals offensive line coach. You guys are losing pieces over there in Columbus, or is everything going to be okay for the Buckeyes? AJ I know Ryan Day's on the media circuit still, right? Is Ryan Day, has he done another interview, I guess, while all these coaches are leaving and can they not get a hold of them to negotiate new deals, or was this expected for the Buckeyes? A.J. i, I don't know if this was expected. I did see when Brian Davis with Joel Clatt, shortly after the news hit.
- [93:54]
Ty Schmidt
About Chip Kelly, he did say, like.
- [93:56]
Pat McAfee
We talked with Chip, it sounded like Chip wanted to come win a national championship and then move on to the NFL. We have the, yeah, okay, he did it year one. We do have the clip from Joel.
- [94:04]
Michael Cole
Klatt show just kind of breaking as.
- [94:06]
Pat McAfee
We'Re recording this about Chip. So what did it mean for you, you know, to have him with you to reach the mountaintop? Because you guys go way back and everyone has talked about it. We talked about it for a long time. You know, he was your, your coach. You guys had known each other all the way back, you know, to, to.
- [94:22]
Michael Cole
When you were a youngster.
- [94:23]
Pat McAfee
What did it mean to you to do this with him. That was great.
- [94:26]
Ty Schmidt
It was great.
- [94:27]
Pat McAfee
You know, we talked about it. The fact that, you know, we had a really good group here and you know, the dream would be to win a national championship and then, you know, he decides whether he wants to stay or have an opportunity to go go to the NFL and it's exactly what happened. And you know, just to be able to, you know, have a beer in a few years, you know, and talk about the year that we had together as to be special because we all started together and this is why I started with him and, and we went and did that and what a great story. And I know so many people back home in New Hampshire just excited for him and, and for the story.
- [95:00]
Adam Schefter
It's pretty special.
- [95:00]
Pat McAfee
Love, Joel Clatt. Obviously, I think I hate Ryan Day, guys. Not every show but ours, even the Kelly Clarkson show. I think. No offense, Kelly Clarkson, but about what's that?
- [95:11]
Darius Butler
What's that about?
- [95:12]
Pat McAfee
I don't know him legitimately. Good luck the rest of the way. It might be because of the fake Lou Holtz. Could be but nothing but a fan of the Ohio State Buckeye team. He did mention about how that was kind of the plan and obviously he and Chip know each other very well. Ryan will be able to retool. Right. He'll be able to re key through this all it will be within staff. You think or you think you'll be bringing from outside in AJ Hawk. I mean that's what everybody is asking in Columbus.
- [95:36]
Ty Schmidt
Like where do you.
- [95:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Do you promote from within? Who do you bring in? But also, I mean, Chip got $6 million to be a coordinator. Are you going to pay a college coordinator? You're going to say, okay, we'll give you 6.1. Like that's.
- [95:46]
Jey Uso
That's what it is now in college football.
- [95:48]
Pat McAfee
If you win, you not only do have to recruit your players, you kind of have to retain your coaches now it seems like. Yeah. And obviously whenever you have as prolific as a run that you had, especially offensively, you know that Chip Kelly had with this Ohio State team, they were just a buzzsaw to Tennessee, to Oregon, Texas. Maybe not as much they didn't play their A game, but then a national championship against Notre Dame. Able to do it yet again on a third and 11. The play design, the play setup, the execution all great, top notch. So Chip Kelly checked every box that he's ready once again to be an offensive coordinator in the NFL and run his offense in the NFL. I like Chip. I think he's going to have success. And how much happier do you think his this time around the NFL is going to be without having to be a head coach just like he was in Columbus. He probably loved his life. Only have to deal with one side.
- [96:33]
Darius Butler
Of the ball so much, much better. And when Will Howard was on, he, he spoke very, very highly of him and how much just he taught him the game and how much he saw the game. So it would be interesting if they pair up again on the next level. But was it Brian Hartline, the co offensive coordinator last year? Is he still. He's still on staff, right?
- [96:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And his pictures being tweeted by Jeremiah Smith and others. Whenever they're asking if he's going to get poached, if the player is going to go anywhere else, they're like, nah, we're here for the heart line party brothers. So that'd be an easy hire from within that is beloved everywhere.
- [97:04]
Darius Butler
I would expect just to be the sole OC and then the. Probably a nice, nice bump in pay if I, if I had to assume. But defensively, I mean, you lose Jim Knowles, that's obviously a big gap to fit. I know the general is still hanging around drawing up blitzes, but that'd be a big job to fill, you know.
- [97:17]
Pat McAfee
At Penn State too. I thought Dan Connor was potentially doing a lot more with that Penn State defense towards the end of the year as they move Tom Allen up into the booth and then whenever Knowles comes in, I don't know if Dan Connor's sticking around or not, but there'll be names that will be able to get. And with all the weapons you're going to have with an Ohio State roster, I assume there's people eager to get there. The only thing about Hardline is I don't know if he's ever called plays before. Chip Kelly has. Okay, so like that is a massive thing. It's not just like a plug and play position where you're like, you know what? This guy, good recruiter, good position coach seemingly has it figured out will he be able to call place we assume Heartline Will. I'm just saying it's not as easy just to say this guy's going to be a good play caller because you have no idea until happens.
- [97:56]
Connor
And there might be a little bit of, I don't, you don't want to say regression, but like Will Howard had played a shitload of football, like whoever's going to start at quarterback for them next year, you know, if it's Julian saying, you know, who's a five star prospect or whoever. It might be like it's going to be their first time playing meaningful football. And we know how Ohio State fans can get. So if things don't look unbelievable right away, like there's a chance that, you know, you're, you're, you're dealing with all that outside noise. So we'll see.
- [98:23]
Pat McAfee
Happened in Michigan last year, I believe Michigan had, they obviously lose Jim Harbaugh, they lose their defensive coordinator, they lost 18 players to the draft. You guys don't lose as many players to the draft, but you're losing coordinators, you're losing position coaches. Whenever you're the champs and all eyes are on you, there's going to be people that are wondering if they can get their hands on some of that. This is certainly the case for the Ohio State, State Buckeyes. Now let's head over to hammer.todd.ap Tone put out a tweet on Sunday that was so perfect. So right in my feelings, and I think a lot of people's are you try to put on a strong face and you tell yourself you're going to be okay. Then that first Sunday with no football hits like a sledgehammer to the chest and you realize you're not as strong as you thought you were. Check on your brothers today. Send some texts, say, hey, we got the Pro bowl games today, but we don't even have, have two games like we had on championship Sunday. We don't have anything Yesterday we had the Royal Rumble, thank God. But if this was an entire weekend of no action, boy, it'd be tough. We're staring that down in a few weeks, but not this week. The biggest game of the season is this Sunday. AP Tone, what are some trends or betting things we should be looking into?
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Connor
Yeah, it was, it was a tough.
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Pat McAfee
Day, brother, and I'm glad everybody checked in and I appreciate everyone for doing that. Stay strong out there, everybody.
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Connor
There is, it is super bowl week and there is a ton, an absolute ton of betting trends.
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Pat McAfee
So you know what? I, I decided let's start with the.
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Connor
The big ones, the easy ones, before we get into the nitty gritty all week long. And we will start. The Kansas City Chiefs are favored by.
- [99:56]
Pat McAfee
One and a half. The total is 48 and a half.
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Connor
And 69% of the bets are on the Eagles at plus one and a half. Now, is that just because everybody wants.
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Pat McAfee
To see the Eagles win?
- [100:06]
Connor
Most likely.
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Pat McAfee
Do they hate the Chiefs?
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Ty Schmidt
Yes.
- [100:09]
Connor
But you know, everyone's always against the Chiefs.
- [100:12]
Pat McAfee
But look at that right there, seven and oh, against the spread in the playoffs when the spread is less than 3, which it is. Why don't we all just bet on the Chiefs?
- [100:20]
Connor
Maybe we won't hate the Chiefs as much as we just bet on them.
- [100:23]
Pat McAfee
And win all the time.
- [100:24]
Connor
That's something to think about.
- [100:27]
Pat McAfee
Well, in years past you bet on them and they never cover.
- [100:30]
Connor
Bingo.
- [100:30]
Pat McAfee
That was like kind of the move. Now though, if he's less than three, they cover. You know why? Because close games, the Chiefs win. That's kind of the Ramo. But these stats seemingly all contradicting each other.
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Connor
They are. The Chiefs were in that one.
- [100:41]
Pat McAfee
And then we have the Eagles who.
- [100:43]
Connor
Have led at halftime in 13 of.
- [100:45]
Pat McAfee
Their last 15 games.
- [100:46]
Ty Schmidt
And we look back to the last.
- [100:48]
Connor
Super bowl when they were up by.
- [100:49]
Pat McAfee
10 against Kansas City in the Super bowl two years ago. The Chief or the Eagles are great first half team.
- [100:55]
Connor
So is that something you want to look at here?
- [100:56]
Pat McAfee
I went into it. If you take the Eagles plus the one and a half in the first.
- [101:01]
Connor
Half and then you take the Chiefs.
- [101:03]
Pat McAfee
Money line, that's plus 400, Pat.
- [101:05]
Connor
So if you think, you know, maybe.
- [101:06]
Pat McAfee
The game script goes Eagles first half.
- [101:08]
Connor
Chiefs full game plus 400 is not bad right there. Talking about, you know, back and forth.
- [101:13]
Pat McAfee
The Chiefs always win the Eagles here.
- [101:16]
Connor
What's it mean?
- [101:17]
Pat McAfee
Dogs have covered 13 of the 17 last Super Bowls.
- [101:20]
Connor
That is for the Eagles.
- [101:21]
Pat McAfee
Another one for the Eagles.
- [101:22]
Connor
Eagles favorites or the team with a.
- [101:25]
Pat McAfee
Better record in the Regular season is 2:19 and one against the spread. That is the Chiefs.
- [101:30]
Connor
I don't know what that means.
- [101:31]
Pat McAfee
I don't know why that happens, but that's just the case there.
- [101:34]
Connor
The white jersey wearing team has won.
- [101:36]
Pat McAfee
16 of the past 20 Super Bowls.
- [101:39]
Connor
Kansas City is the away team in.
- [101:41]
Pat McAfee
The super bowl because they rotate afc, NFC home away.
- [101:45]
Connor
So that would go for the Chiefs. And then lastly, as far as the total, four of the last five Super.
- [101:51]
Pat McAfee
Bowls have been lower scoring affairs than.
- [101:53]
Connor
What the people thought they would be. But that Chiefs Eagles super bowl is.
- [101:57]
Pat McAfee
The second highest scoring super bowl of all time.
- [101:59]
Connor
So will it be a repeat?
- [102:01]
Pat McAfee
Okay, thank you, Tone. All these numbers go different directions. You can find whatever stat to make you feel better about how you feel if you want to go searching for it. Yeah, I mean that is just the fact of the matter. Whenever it comes to it, one and a half point spread, they think it's going to be a close game. Chiefs never lose close games.
- [102:19]
Connor
No, they don't.
- [102:19]
Pat McAfee
That is just kind of their mo. Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid, Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, Spags Coach Tobe and the boys at Kansas City always win. But will this year be different? Because the bully of the Eagles might be able to change the course of history. AJ did you learn anything from those trends right there, pal? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, I. I know we'll make a pick eventually, but man, it's tough not to lean Chiefs early, I think in this one. Okay, so age might be giving a little something away there on Monday. We'll obviously get down to radio row starting on Wednesday. What's the best time of day to get a deal? All day with Jack in the box's all day big deal meeting.
- [103:07]
Connor
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- [103:12]
Hulk Hogan
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Connor
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Pat McAfee
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- [105:03]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah, baby.
- [105:08]
Hulk Hogan
All right.
- [105:16]
Connor
There it is.
- [105:17]
Hulk Hogan
There it is.
- [105:17]
Connor
That's the move.
- [105:18]
Darius Butler
Good swing, good putt.
- [105:26]
Ty Schmidt
Hulster, it's an honor.
- [105:28]
Hulk Hogan
How you doing?
- [105:31]
Pat McAfee
How are you, Jimmy? Watch.
- [105:35]
Hulk Hogan
Just like I told Jesse while I was. Hell yeah, Jimmy. It went like this. Riddle me this, riddle me that. Everybody wondering who's going to win the Super Bowl. It's going to be the champ. The one, the team that drinks the most real American beer is going to win the Super Bowl.
- [105:51]
Pat McAfee
Okay? Okay. All right. Okay. If that, if that's the indicator, I think early favorites, Philadelphia Eagles. Philadelphia Eagles. Okay. The M South said everybody's boozing over there in Philadelphia. You can sit down right there if you want to, Hulster. We got some real American beer in the building already. Yeah, the boys have some. That guy right over there at the talks table, Ty Schmidt, he'll actually drink four to five of them in the middle of the afternoon, so. He loves everything about strong, brother.
- [106:22]
Connor
Yeah, Gotta do it.
- [106:23]
Pat McAfee
How'd you get into the beer business, brother?
- [106:25]
Hulk Hogan
That's a long story. You know, story. Everybody talks, you know, Jimmy Hart, I've been with him 45 years. He's never had one drink, never done one drug in 45 years.
- [106:34]
Pat McAfee
Just vitamins, huh? Watch out for the job.
- [106:36]
Hulk Hogan
Watch out, Jimmy. Hit it with the steel chair.
- [106:40]
Pat McAfee
Okay. All right. Sweet, Jimmy. We appreciate that. Yeah, because vitamins, you know, take your vitamins, do the entire thing was the conversation. I know you, but hey, listen.
- [106:49]
Hulk Hogan
I know, brother.
- [106:49]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but as you get older, brother, you gotta have a nice cold beer every once in a while.
- [106:53]
Hulk Hogan
Especially when. When you're old school, you have a couple cold beers before you go to the ring, brother.
- [106:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, old school school. At Hogan's Hangout, we're definitely gonna have a couple cold beers. I mean, that's what you got to do.
- [107:02]
Hulk Hogan
No, this whole thing was kind of like just happened by chance because I got my partner Chad in the back. We. This is our company. It's not a celebrity endorsed company or percentage deal. We actually own the company. And we were at a convention. And I wasn't with the WWE for this appearance because I still have to deal with them, of course, but I wasn't with the wwe, this appearance. I was there with Chad, and we were doing other business. And as the people come through the line, you know, I like to shake hands, look people in the eye. Cause everybody has like a Hulk Hogan story. Like I always say, if you're 90 years old, you were watching me when you were 50, you know, and so it goes all the way back to the young kids still know what's going on with me. So as I'm reading name tags and saying hello to people and listening to their stories. Oh, I grew up watching you. I bonded with my father. With you, or when my dad died, you became the father figure. And the stories are crazy, you know, they're really cool stories from the fans. And I read this one guy's name tag, and it said, vice President of Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer. I went, oh, my God, that's the beer my dad drank. Because my dad was a construction worker in Florida, and the sun basically beat him to death. He was out in the sun. 12, 14 hours a day. And by the time he was six years old, he looked like he was 90. He'd always pour the Pabst Blue Ribbon beer in, like, a glass and then put salt in it, you know.
- [108:20]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah.
- [108:21]
Hulk Hogan
And so when I saw the beer, oh, man, my dad drank that beer. Just lit me up. So the guy said, well, have you ever thought about getting in that beer space? I went, yeah. You know, my whole career, 40 years, it was training, prayers and vitamins, the mantra. The character Hulk Hogan made Terry the Man a better man. As the years went by and, you know, the Make a Wish kids and everything, I said, but since I'm not wrestling anymore, that being said, you know, I'm looking for that Wild, Wild west deal all the time, once every 10 years, like a George Foreman Grill or.
- [108:50]
Pat McAfee
Something, which came and went.
- [108:52]
Hulk Hogan
I know. Please don't bring that up.
- [108:53]
Pat McAfee
You did. You did.
- [108:55]
Hulk Hogan
I don't.
- [108:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, yeah, brother.
- [108:56]
Hulk Hogan
I'll tell you a story about that in a minute. But anyway, anyway, make a long story short, he goes, well, would you think about doing something with beer or. It's very competitive. I said, yeah. You know, I see this crazy open lane because Bud Light, really, we came up with a horrible marketing plan, and they apparently didn't understand their audience like I thought they did. And so I see this open lane for America's beer working backwards. You know, I'm thinking, mom, apple pie, baseball, wrestling, nascar. There's this crazy open lane because of all the other beers that are so competitive. America doesn't have their own beer. Like America's Team, like America's beer. And that would be a light beer. And I'm on my feet, pivot, you know, because, like, when I do promos in wrestling, I don't read a script or anything.
- [109:40]
Pat McAfee
Shooting, brother.
- [109:41]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, yeah. On the way to the ring, I'd be opening the show, and the writers would hand me this. These pages, you know, like 20 pages, and they were hot. I look at Vince and I'd go, really? You go, don't worry about it. So I just throw the pages up and go out there. But. So I'm on pivoting, man. I'm on my feet. I'm, you know, I'm dancing, smoking mirrors, trying to figure out how to put a period on the end of the slot. You know, I'm going, you know, my neighbors don't even talk. The Republicans, the Democrats don't talk, talk. But I said, when I used to wrestle, you know, I was traveling 300 days a year because there was no rock, no Stone Cold. It was just me for the first 25 years. And I had to be everywhere. Double shots Wednesday, Friday, Saturday. So I'd wrestle like 420 times a year.
- [110:17]
Pat McAfee
Jeez.
- [110:18]
Hulk Hogan
That's why I'm so beat up.
- [110:19]
Pat McAfee
Thanks for your service for the business. Yeah, legitimately. Thanks for your service to the business. Beat the out of your body.
- [110:24]
Hulk Hogan
So I said when I used to wrestle, you know, all the guys that I wrestled were huge. You know, Earthquakes, Andre, Tugboat, one man gang. They were always all Jimmy's guys that had to wrestle.
- [110:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, Jimmy, you know, working against you there.
- [110:36]
Hulk Hogan
So they were all, you know, 350, 425 pounds. King Kong Bundy says, hey, brother, come here. You want to talk? You know, let's talk. I don't. Never would talk about the match. I just wanted to know who was going to win or lose.
- [110:47]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we're calling it out there, brother.
- [110:48]
Hulk Hogan
Always call it out there. Yeah, bro, you gotta listen to the crowd. It's an art form.
- [110:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [110:51]
Hulk Hogan
So I said, brother, let's sit down, let's have a beer. Because I figured if I get him to lose, they wouldn't beat on me so hard. So I told this guy, the Democrats don't talk, the neighbors don't talk. Back to my story. I even would, you know, have a beer with the wrestler. So my idea is bring America back together one beer at a time. And when I said it, I went, holy smokes, there it is. Brilliant. And the guy's eyes went, whoa, I love that. So we were approached at that convention because I was at a convention in Atlanta by several other beer companies. And I told Chad, I said, bro, this is. This is too hot right now because of the way America is percolating right now. Everybody wants the country back. And this name, Real American Beer, is a home run. It's like pointing to center field. And then now, you know, I ran my mouth because, you know, I was friends with Trump for 40 years. Yeah, I was one of those cowards that I wouldn't wear a Trump hat or I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my car. I'd vote for him, but I'd go hide. And then when they tried to kill killing me, that just pissed me off, because this is a good guy, bro. I've known him for a long time. He's a good human being. It just pissed me off. And I told my new wife, I said, this might be a deal breaker, but I gotta speak up.
- [111:58]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [111:58]
Hulk Hogan
And then when I went to the Republican convention and did my thing. They had like, I'll talk forever. Then I did my thing.
- [112:05]
Pat McAfee
They had a heart out in 33 seconds.
- [112:08]
Hulk Hogan
I gotcha. They had all these writers that they wanted me to talk for four minutes. Had a suit on. I was nervous, nervous and, and I was trying to do it. They had a podium in front of me, two in the back. And they said, well, you know, I was sweating, nervous. They said, maybe just do two minutes. So I went out there, never said a word. That was on the teleprompter. Talk for nine and a half minutes. And they told my buddy VO in the back at six minutes, you know, we may have to pull him off stage.
- [112:31]
Pat McAfee
All right, we'll continue this conversation with Hulk Hogan on YouTube, ESPN, Disney Plus. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. By I was still digital. We're still online. We just went off ESPN Linear. They got a chance to see the whole.
- [112:44]
Hulk Hogan
I could have short the story.
- [112:45]
Pat McAfee
No, no, don't worry about it. But when you go, when you go and do that, when you go and do the Republican convention, you know, immediately you're going to piss off, what, 47% of the country, especially with how political hatred is currently in the world. Do you think that? And first of all, whenever you say a beer, bringing the world together, we talk about a lot, how teams come together a lot more around a keg than they do Kale. You know, this modern world that we're in, everybody's worried about drinking because they want their bodies to recover. You have a couple beers with some people, though, you can really learn about each other. You can kind of take the walls down, the guard down, and then really start chitchatting. I love that. That was kind of the initiative behind getting behind a beer is bring the world together. Then as a friend of Trump, you go speak for Trump, then you piss off about half of the country. Are you still in the middle of feeling that, like at the Intuit Dome? I don't think any of us expected. No.
- [113:39]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, I did.
- [113:40]
Pat McAfee
You expected that because of the political stuff or because of everything else?
- [113:43]
Hulk Hogan
You got to realize last time I ran hard in la, I was a bad guy. I was Hollywood Hogan, man. I was riding dirty with the boys, you know, national hall, and we were spray paint people and crotch shot and everybody and started out the two sweet stuff. So last time I was there, I was a heel. But I think the politics had a whole lot to do with it. Like you said.
- [114:01]
Pat McAfee
I would say, yeah, I would assume you get into politics and also some other stuff, you know, yeah, of course.
- [114:05]
Hulk Hogan
But at the end.
- [114:06]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, when you're. When you're in a public eye for 40 years.
- [114:10]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, you do slip and fall a couple times.
- [114:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And they're gonna see it, everybody.
- [114:13]
Hulk Hogan
Anyway, at the end of the day, we kind of looked at it the next day because, you know, I had, like, 11 billion impressions, you know, and some of the other guys, some of the big stars that were on that car that night only have, like, 3 billion. I don't name names, but, you know, we were.
- [114:27]
Pat McAfee
So you were like.
- [114:30]
Shams Charania
Yeah.
- [114:32]
Pat McAfee
We actually ran a press conference the day after. I don't know if you got a chance to see it from the Hulkster, but we have a lot of questions for you. Is that okay?
- [114:39]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, but the one thing is, I was talking about the beer. You know, we're. We're. We're in a relationship with the wwe. You know, they're. They're my partner in this thing, and I had to be a good guy in la.
- [114:48]
Pat McAfee
Yes.
- [114:48]
Hulk Hogan
Now, if this was for wrestling and they turned on me like that, I'd have turned into Hollywood Hulk. Haven't I said, oh, hell yeah. So you hate me for everything I've done for all the Make a Wish kids and everything I did for your kids. Well, guess what? I did it for the money. And by the way. And by the way, since you want so much hatred coming your way, I hope. Have a good time. When Kamala Harris, you know, is your new governor, and you're all standing in the soup line. Mike dropped. See you.
- [115:14]
Pat McAfee
Geez Louise.
- [115:15]
Hulk Hogan
But I. I couldn't do that. But I was ready. I was ready to go after him.
- [115:18]
Pat McAfee
Well, I thought it was very professional of you to remain positive, because I was listening to it. You're much more mentally tough than I am, but you've been, obviously, 40 years in the wrestling business. This is kind of your gig. You understand people are going to boo. You understand people are going to cheer. You understand the heartbeat of people, which is why you call it an art form. You want to do what they're. They're telling you to do. Living in a spotlight for 40 years, a lot of things happen. With that being said, we have a lot of questions about a lot of it. And this guy loves real American beer.
- [115:41]
Connor
I do. I actually. I sucked out a nice cold one right now. But just curious, being a big fan, when. When was the time, like, where you realized, like, I assume it wasn't overnight, but where it's like, oh, I can't go anywhere anymore without everyone Noticing me because like you said, you kind of. You were the company for the longest time. What was that point in time where it was like, I just am Hulk Hogan now? Everywhere I go, no matter what I do.
- [116:06]
Hulk Hogan
Well, honestly, it's like. Like before I was in the wwwf, the Worldwide Wrestling Federation, before it became the wwf. So I was there working for Vince Senior. And when I came in, I was a bad guy. I was green as hell. My punches, kicks, everything looked horrible. But I sold out Shea Stadium with Andre, had a bunch of matches with. With Backlin. I was a bad guy. And I've told everybody this. They fired me when I did the Rocky movie. So I split. And I have a. I was single at the time, and I had a beautiful girl in Japan, which I love hanging out with. And I was up in Minnesota working for Ver Ganya, the best place in the world if you're a wrestler. When there were territories everywhere, they paid, paid really well, and you only had to work four days a week. So, bang. Those other three days, I was in Japan and we got this huge team together and we were going to push towards the East Coast. That was our whole goal. And at the time, I got a card from a photographer at the Rosemont Horizon and said, call Vince. I said, I'm not calling Vince, man. He fired me. He goes, no, Vince Jr. So I called Vince Jr. And when I went there, I'd already had that Hulk Mania thing started in Minnesota. And when I went back and they didn't play music, they didn't have merchandise, and I was doing the music thing in Minnesota, selling merchandise. When I went back, they weren't doing any of it. So the night I went to the Garden, they played Eye of the Tiger. The roof blew off the place and broke. From that day, Ford is like riding a lightning bolt. That whole Hulkamania thing took off. It was crazy.
- [117:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [117:33]
Hulk Hogan
And it was like everywhere I went, I couldn't go, hey, I'm Terry. I have to go, hey, what's up, brother? You have to give him just a little sauce.
- [117:38]
Pat McAfee
The amount of. Brother. How many brothers you drop nowadays, Brother?
- [117:41]
Hulk Hogan
Brother. The problem is I can't remember anybody's name, brother. You know, it's. It's my age, and I've been hitting the head so darn much that. That's one of the things I went back to the. The WWE in, like, 2002 or 6. Jimmy, what was it they said? Chair shots, had to put your hand up. So why would I put my hand up? I said, oh, because you Know the concussion thing because I never put my hand up.
- [118:02]
Pat McAfee
No eating it.
- [118:02]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, Just lean into it, bro, and take the shot. Whoa.
- [118:07]
Pat McAfee
How many? Have you done the math on how many matches? You said four days, I'm doing Minnesota, then the other three, I'm doing Japan. Japan's like a 16 hour flight.
- [118:16]
Hulk Hogan
Well, it depends on where you leave from. If you leave from JFK, it's about 14 straight through. Through. And if you got a drink with a giant all the way there, it's like a year, because I used to the 747. I'd go hide upstairs. And I'm gonna go, hey, boss, my seat was right next to Rusanov, which was Andre's name, last name. And I'd get the early and run upstairs and hide from him. Hey, boss, come down, I put your seat next to me. I mean, oh, God, he's gonna kill me. So I just have to drink with him all the way there. It depends where you leave from, you know?
- [118:46]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but the. You see, you said 400 some matches in one year. 360.
- [118:50]
Hulk Hogan
Well, at the height, at the height of it, you know, because I was doing two on Friday, two on Saturday. Like, I'd hit like, like, like a Saturday. I'd hit Philadelphia Spectrum at 1:00, and as Gretzky and the boys were coming in, I'd be leaving. Then I hit Madison Square Garden that night. Then the next day I'd hit the Boston Garden at 1:00. Then I hit the LA Forum that night, you know, so I could do like four matches and in two days, easy. And then when we did TV, we shoot TV in Allentown, right, Jimmy? We'd shoot like three, four hours of TV. I'd wrestle probably 11, 10, 11 times, and shooting the TVs, you know. But then Vince scaled it way back and made me special, you know, and said, but he had to get me over first.
- [119:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So have you thought about the number of bumps? You know, because the leg drop. And obviously you have a lot of detractors from the business because you were the guy, top guy. So a lot of people wanted that spot. But a lot of people have talked about the way you worked in the ring, was the reason why you worked in the ring the way you did, potentially, because of how many matches you had in that leg drop. What is that? That spine, hips, everything. Right.
- [119:51]
Hulk Hogan
Well, the whole thing is when I see people like Brian Daniels, you know, or Kevin Owens or Chris Jericho, I said, brother, keep the boots on the ground. This is all about, well, for me, the psychology was, was there were none of these guaranteed contracts. So if you got hurt and broke your arm or broke your ankle, you didn't get paid. So my whole thing was I went 25 years without getting hurt. Actually, I did blow my knee out. If you ever watch that match with the Iron Sheik, I jumped up to drop the knee on his leg, and one of the boards was off in the ring and it blew my left knee out. So I go hobbling back to the room after I won the title from the machine going, my God, my knees gone. I told my wife Linda at the time, I said, I don't think I make it. So I kept that knee wrap for like 15 years, never had it cut on. But the reason I worked the way I did was I could work with anybody, you know, I could work with a big guy, I could work with Piper, I could work with a wrestler. You know, I had, like. It was so easy to do because the character was over, you know, And I, if, if I got in the ring with somebody, if I could just look at them, you know, or just look at you, and I could hear the rumble, I would know how hard I had to work that night. Just as soon as I got in the ring, ring, if it was dead, I'm going, okay, I'm have to grind for buying and sell and beat my ass for about seven or eight minutes before I start begging the crowd to help me. Once I start coming up, here we go. You know, but, you know, it was. The character was so over. It was. It made it so I didn't have to, you know, do anything too crazy.
- [121:17]
Pat McAfee
I know you're Hulk Hogan, okay? And I know you've been a superstar like six different times. Do you get pissed whenever you hear people run their mouth about what you did or how you did what you did?
- [121:29]
Hulk Hogan
No, brother, you know, it's. It's all good. Like, you have to have the young guys, great athletes, okay? They're all great. The business has changed so much. They do so much stuff in one match. I mean, I wouldn't do that much stuff in a year. I see some of the stuff these guys do. But the end of the day, the wrestlers, you know, the size has changed. All the guys. I was a 310 pound guy. I was a medium sized guy, you know. And now the wrestlers are smaller, they do more moves, they do all kind of stuff. I got nothing but respect for these guys, you know, they're so dedicated. But at the end of the day, you know, they don't realize what happened and how this gut to be to where 180 pound or 200, 220 pound guy could be a main event guy. There was a lot of changes, you know, over the years, and a lot of that happened because we admitted it was sports entertainment. And some of the stuff they don't realize is, you know, flying into Kansas City, never supposed to cross that imaginary line, the Kansas City territory. Harley Race pulling a gun at me saying, I'm gonna blow your brains out. I've been the champ here, the NWA champ for 18 years here. You know, stuff happened along the way that a lot of guys don't know about, you know.
- [122:36]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And that's why I think there is a very, from a lot of guys, a gratitude for the OGs for laying the groundwork for where we are today. Thank you for the Road Warrior. And also staring down, I guess, Harley Race's pistol to make this whole thing happen.
- [122:49]
Hulk Hogan
Harley Race is a great guy. He just really, just wanted a job.
- [122:53]
Pat McAfee
He wanted respect too.
- [122:54]
Hulk Hogan
I think he did. And we, brother, he was a tough son of a gun. We gave him respect.
- [122:58]
Pat McAfee
But you, you and Vince, there's obviously a lot of documentaries, a lot of history. I've seen it all about how the growth of the company and from territories to taking it over to a national to cable, to everything, it's unbelievable. How do you feel about current state? 70,000 plus for Royal Rumble at Lucas Oil Stadium. Netflix deal worth $5 billion being streamed around the world. How do you feel about the current. Is it. Are you jaded at all or are you proud?
- [123:21]
Hulk Hogan
No, I'm so proud of these guys. It's like, I mean, you got guys like Seth Rollins, you like CM Punk, you got like Roman Reigns, you got Cody Rhodes, Kevin O. I could go down the list. All these guys are stars and they carry their weight. I mean, and they don't come up short. I just pray to God they don't get hurt.
- [123:39]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [123:40]
Hulk Hogan
You know, because the storylines are so intense. The USO's and just the. These guys have all stepped up because they work so hard. They work harder than I did. I mean, these guys are working their butts off and I got nothing but respect. And the product is insane. I never dreamed it would get to this level.
- [123:58]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [123:58]
Hulk Hogan
You know, I was walking out the other day in, in LA and I was standing on the ramp and. And Stephanie McMahon was there, you know, and I said, oh my gosh, man, things are so cool. And it's just amazing how big it's got when she goes well, you know, I'm not involved anymore. I said, bs. You're the one that tells him what to do. Triple H, you know, And I was just teasing with her. She goes, oh, but you're the one that built this thing. You started. Oh, thank you for saying that. But me and her dad were in the trenches trying to get this thing going.
- [124:25]
Pat McAfee
There's a lot of people that feel that way, though. It's not just a few, you know, and obviously there's a lot of fans that have experienced a lot of things with you over the years.
- [124:32]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [124:32]
Pat McAfee
You know, because like I mentioned earlier, 40 years in a spotlight, there's a lot of.
- [124:36]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, you regret a lot.
- [124:38]
Pat McAfee
You regret a lot of the.
- [124:39]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, yeah. Well, you got to ride the highs and survive the lows. The first thing I regret is being so stupid in the ring at the time. I mean, I'm 72 years old now, but at the time, my arms are legitimately 23, 24 inches. So if you've got 24 inch arms, why are you doing the leg drop?
- [124:57]
Pat McAfee
Oh, super pissed you even did that.
- [124:58]
Hulk Hogan
And ruining your spine. Why don't you do the sleeper?
- [125:01]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah.
- [125:02]
Michael Cole
No bump.
- [125:03]
Hulk Hogan
You take the guy down, all the way up, he could poke you out, run you into the buckle, back into the buckle, throw you on the top rope. There's a million outs, you know? But why. Why the leg drop? Stupid. I'm smart.
- [125:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah. You're a professional wrestler.
- [125:16]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [125:17]
Pat McAfee
The leg drop is iconic. And. And I want to let you know, whenever I had a match with The Miz at WrestleMania.
- [125:25]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [125:25]
Pat McAfee
A couple years back, I potentially wanted to end it with a leg drop. I was like, how about. How about just a leg drop at the end of this thing?
- [125:32]
Hulk Hogan
And I gotta say something now.
- [125:34]
Pat McAfee
It wasn't a good strategy. It wasn't. I had to pun it up in the head. Obviously, it wouldn't have been down there, but.
- [125:38]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, God, what you.
- [125:39]
Pat McAfee
What you did for the business, phenomenal. But.
- [125:41]
Hulk Hogan
But I gotta say something, because you brought it in. I didn't mention the Miz name. What a pro this guy is, dude. Good God. You. You talk about a professional, bro. And I've been watching him. This kid. He's not a kid. This man. Excuse me, Mike. This. This guy doesn't miss a beat, bro. He's spot on.
- [125:58]
Pat McAfee
Did a Spanish fly the other night, 20 years into this thing, you know, put over Andrade. I believe he just.
- [126:05]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, my God.
- [126:06]
Pat McAfee
A thousand plus losses. I think. What's the number?
- [126:08]
Connor
Something like that.
- [126:09]
Hulk Hogan
Actually, I was at the bar the other night with his dad. Was it Cleveland? Jimmy?
- [126:13]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [126:13]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. Mrs. Mrs. Dad was there with us at the bar.
- [126:16]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you were there yesterday. Sitting with the second row, I believe, at the basketball game. Cavs beat the hell.
- [126:21]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, my God, Donovan. How smooth is he, bro?
- [126:24]
Pat McAfee
Smooth.
- [126:25]
Hulk Hogan
I'm sitting there behind the announcer's table. They're walking by going, hey, what's up, Hulk? They're like. They're ripping their shirt off. They going, where you going partying at later? I'm like, you know, the coach is right there. I'm like, no, no, no.
- [126:36]
Pat McAfee
They went. Drink a couple real American beers.
- [126:38]
Hulk Hogan
No, but the last time I got involved with this basketball thing, I had Phil Jackson call me because I had Rodman down in Florida partying with me. He wouldn't go back to practice for the finals.
- [126:47]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah.
- [126:47]
Hulk Hogan
So I got Phil Jackson calling me. Where is he at? I said, I don't know. He won't go back.
- [126:51]
Pat McAfee
That was documented in the last dance show.
- [126:54]
Darius Butler
You been a big basketball fan? I see you with the Kevin Durant. Big time basketball fan.
- [126:59]
Hulk Hogan
Not all the time, but, yeah. If somebody special comes along, I get hooked.
- [127:02]
Pat McAfee
Oh.
- [127:02]
Hulk Hogan
So, yeah, I'm on the old school guys, man. You know, back in the day, George's my guy, you know, Like I said, you know, Donovan's smooth. He's got the Jordan, but he. He's. He's got some more to go to be where Michael's at. You know, I got. I got a chance to watch him up close last night. Smooth as butter.
- [127:20]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [127:20]
Hulk Hogan
Having fun.
- [127:22]
Pat McAfee
What size those shoes?
- [127:24]
Hulk Hogan
17. Ring 17. What else you want to know?
- [127:27]
Pat McAfee
No, yeah, we. Well, we know. You know, we.
- [127:31]
Hulk Hogan
I forgot.
- [127:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [127:33]
Hulk Hogan
Whoa.
- [127:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Yeah. Connor has a question for you.
- [127:37]
Ty Schmidt
Well, stay away, Hulkster. But when it came to, like, healing and being a baby face, did you love it? Like, we asked Stephanie last week, kind of about her heel run, and she said she loved being the heel. Did you like that side of it? Did you like both of them? Like, did you prefer being a baby face? What was your feelings, right, bro?
- [127:54]
Hulk Hogan
It was. The first ride was just so shocking. It's like if you were to turn the corner and walk in the men's restroom, all of a sudden there would be three aliens from Mars. There you go. What? My first ride, when I took off with that red and yellow, I didn't know why the kids were coming to me. I wasn't ready for it. And then all of a sudden, I got used to it. And now, at this point in my life, thank God, it's still happening. I didn't understand the role model thing and how much the character meant and people being buried with my Hulk Hogan shirts on and a picture of me on the guy's grave. I mean, it's just amazing how much these people love that.
- [128:32]
Pat McAfee
Freaks out a little bit, right? A lot of pressure, brother. A lot of pressure, brother, to be perfect.
- [128:36]
Hulk Hogan
It is. But it also makes me realize, you know, some. A lot of my friends, you keep forgetting your Hulk Hogan, you know, and Triple H has told me that don't forget your Hulk Hogan. It, like, straightens me up, you know, and. Because it's just. Just a situation that it was such a good run. And, you know, then there were some people, you know, that thought my run was over. You know, I had a disagreement with Vince on that. I didn't think the run was over. And so, you know, I wanted to be a bad guy after the Ultimate Warrior thing, you know, because after he won the belt from me, I wanted to go down the aisle and do the Three Stooges turn slowly. I turned to go back and crucify him, you know, and turn into Triple H, Hollywood Hulk Hogan.
- [129:14]
Pat McAfee
That would have been a good turn.
- [129:15]
Hulk Hogan
But Vince didn't want me to do it. So we kept working and working and working. I could tell the thrill was gone, the honeymoon was over. But then when I turned into a bad guy, it was almost like it was so cool to turn into the snidely whiplash evil character, right? Grind and beat people. And then when they come at me, oh, please don't hurt me, I cross my fingers, you know, Sorry. You know, I mean, it was just so fun to do it. And then the lines got blurry. They started cheering me, you know, and it's like when I went out with the Rock, you know, I'm going down the ramp, and they're cheering me, and the Rock starts punching me in the ring, and I started booing him, you know, I was like, oh, my God, we got to get this flipped around here. So it got. It got a little tough to navigate, you know, but since I call stuff in the ring, it's easy to. Just need a couple minutes to get us back to center, you know, bracket all the BS and then go back to center.
- [130:03]
Pat McAfee
NWO still the biggest thing you've been a part of. I think you said that whenever you did the. The return at SummerSlam or WrestleMania. I believe you talked about Hogan's Hangout, how the NWO merch is.
- [130:13]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, it's still selling, bro. But the thing is, the red and yellow stuff's still selling. I've got two retail stores. I got one in Clearwater Beach. I got one in Orlando. I can't keep the stuff in stock. I mean, it's selling like crazy.
- [130:25]
Pat McAfee
When's karaoke night?
- [130:26]
Hulk Hogan
Monday night. I'm missing it.
- [130:28]
Pat McAfee
What? No. What do you sing? I am a Real man.
- [130:33]
Hulk Hogan
How about Tequila? Not that I. Well, there's one word, tequila, in the whole song. Tequila.
- [130:43]
Pat McAfee
Not a bad.
- [130:44]
Hulk Hogan
No, but it's. It's been great, man. And the wrestling business has been so good to me. It's just. It's crazy. It's like Jimmy and I talk all the time. It's almost like what's old is new again, you know?
- [130:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. AJ is in Ohio. He has a question for you.
- [130:56]
Hulk Hogan
Gotcha.
- [130:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Hulk. Hulk. You mentioned listening to the crowd. He said it's like an art form.
- [131:00]
Jey Uso
I know.
- [131:01]
Pat McAfee
Know. You're a musician. You played music and you've been in bands. Did that help you, like, listen to the. The crowd and kind of get a.
- [131:06]
Ty Schmidt
Feel and help with your stage presence?
- [131:08]
Hulk Hogan
Well, it did help a lot because I played music for like, 10 years before I ever got in the wrestling business. And when we were getting ready to go on the road with a band called Blackfoot, one of the singers, just. The singer just got married and one of the guitar players had this girlfriend. They didn't want to leave. So I got pissed and I said, that's it. I'm quitting. I'm going to be the greatest wrestler that ever lived. And they all fell on the floor laughing and, you know, of course, why not? But then the stage presence of being in front of those live crowds six nights a week, because we would play from nine till two in the morning. Jimmy Hart was all about that. He was a musician, too.
- [131:42]
Pat McAfee
Hell, yeah.
- [131:42]
Hulk Hogan
Jimmy's playing till 3, 4am yeah, no doubt. And so I got no snow. I got used to being in front of that crowd, brother. So that when I got in front of a wrestling crowd and I broke in in Florida and, you know, and when I walked out to the ring, I didn't have the jitters, you know, I was already used to being in front of that crowd. So it did help a lot.
- [132:01]
Pat McAfee
Whenever you. Whenever you kind of live your life day to day, what's the goal, like, when you're waking up today? Like, you know, I want people to better understand who I am, who might misunderstand me a little bit, might have taken something that I've done wrong in the past out of context. I Want to sell some real American beer? I want to put over Hulk Hogan. What is the day to day at this stage?
- [132:24]
Hulk Hogan
Well, the weirdest thing is, you know, I don't want to sound like a Bible, Bible thumper or holy war. It's just to be at peace. To be at peace. Because, you know, I was saved when I was 14, you know, accepted Christ my s Savior. When I was 14, of course, I derailed music and wrestling and all the debauchery. We went nuts. And then, you know, I've been through a couple. A couple divorces. And I just couldn't understand why this was happening. And it had a lot of. It had to do with me and the lifestyle and everything. And then once I got remarried the third time, my wife and I both got baptized. I just really went back to my faith. And all of a sudden, it just kind of straightened everything up for me, you know. So the weird part is, is. Is once you're at peace, you know, the good doesn't perfect prevent the better. And things keep getting better and better and better. And, you know, if I'm gonna. If I'm gonna work, I'm gonna work. If I'm not gonna work, I'm gonna sit my butt on the couch and, you know, binge watch TV or something. So it's always, if I'm working, I'm searching for greatness, you know, greatness with the beer. I want this to be the number one beer in America. Same thing when I wrestled. I want to be the number one wrestlers. Whatever I do, the final goal is greatness. So. So for me to be working at my age, you know, and be. It's a blessing.
- [133:40]
Pat McAfee
How old are you?
- [133:41]
Hulk Hogan
I'm 71. I'll be 72 in August.
- [133:43]
Pat McAfee
Happy birthday. We missed a few. Still working out? Still working out?
- [133:47]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, bro. I hit it for about an hour and a half a day.
- [133:49]
Pat McAfee
What do we do? We do beach. We do full body. What's the workout?
- [133:52]
Hulk Hogan
Well, bodybuilding. I've got a gym in my garage. I weigh 265 pounds now. The last time I weighed this, I was in ninth grade, so I've always been over 300 pounds. But I had 10 back surgeries. Both hips replaced, both knees, two shoulders. Couple surgeries on my face, my eye, and just, you know, the back surgeries killed me. That's why I can't walk from here to there.
- [134:14]
Pat McAfee
No, you can. We saw you.
- [134:15]
Hulk Hogan
No, I was hanging on to Jimmy.
- [134:16]
Pat McAfee
Okay, but you still got both feet. Got there, yeah.
- [134:19]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, but it's. It's cool, you know, and it's like, life is so darn. So darn good that once you realize it, now that I see, it's almost like. And here we go. Bible thump. You guys broke, bro. It's not Democratic, Republican. It's not who won or who lost. It's almost like a spiritual thing where we're all turning back to being good and the country being great again and just everybody wants quality of life. And I see it happening and it's changing. So this is the greatest time ever to be alive.
- [134:48]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. They're calling it projecting a golden era. At least that is the goal of the entire thing. I hope that's the case. Unity is something that is beautiful and the rest wrestling world has a lot of different people involved in it that are fans, you know. A lot of different fans, yeah. Republicans, Democrats, rich, poor, you name it. Everybody in the building. Has it always been that way? Because I think a lot of people joke about wrestling fans that haven't been around a long time. They always think it's like the dumb people from the south are the wrestling fans. That's not the case.
- [135:15]
Hulk Hogan
No. No.
- [135:16]
Pat McAfee
Wrestling draws everybody, I think. Do you agree with that? And has it always been like that?
- [135:19]
Hulk Hogan
No, it's always been like that. And I told Trump, you know, when. When we were talking in private at Madison Square Garden at the Nazi rally, you know, and I told him, I said, bro, I've been out on the road. Like, oh, he. And he held my beer, too. He goes, even though I don't drink, Hogan, I'm gonna take a picture with your can.
- [135:35]
Pat McAfee
The real American beer.
- [135:37]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. And so I was telling him, I said, brother, I said, I've been looking at these polls, you know, and they say you're two points ahead of here. And this pole, this pollster, and this pollster says you're two points behind. I said, I've been on the road for six months pedaling beer. And I see, you know, people are in school and they're at work during the day, and that's when we have the appearances, like at the Walmarts and the krogers. We get 2,3000 people showing up in the middle of the day, you know, and they're all fans. They're all, you know, love wrestling and stuff. I said, my fans are Democrats and they're Republicans, and everybody wants you. So I don't know how it could possibly be even. So the night I went to bed, he was. He was ahead, like 18 electoral votes. And I thought for sure when I went to bed at 11:30. I was gonna wake up in the morning, they'd steal the election, you know, I Woke up at 4 o'clock in the morning to take a piss and he'd won, I went, what? And so when he had told me, hogan is gonna be too big to rig, I thought it was like a catchphrase, like, what you gonna do, brother? I thought it was just a cat, but he was serious.
- [136:35]
Pat McAfee
Did you think. Did you tell him maybe he should add brother at the end of that? Too big to rig brother?
- [136:41]
Hulk Hogan
No, but I'm gonna tell you something. I gotta take credit for be the. Being the first athlete. When I. When I did the convention in Madison Square Garden, I did his dance before anybody did.
- [136:49]
Pat McAfee
Oh, you're saying it caught on a little bit because.
- [136:51]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, because of me.
- [136:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I think you did it great.
- [136:53]
Hulk Hogan
Too involved.
- [136:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah. No ego involved. How do you feel about everybody that says that about you? That's one big takeaway. This guy's an egotistical maniac is what people, your detractors say. You said you're at peace. Obviously you're trying to do your thing. But there's always going to be detractors from what, four different decades of success?
- [137:11]
Hulk Hogan
Well, those, mostly the haters, are the ones that haven't worked with me. You know, they don't know me, which is cool. And, you know, they. Everybody has an ego in the wrestling business. I get it. I have respect for anybody that could stick this business out, you know, because I've seen the UFC guys, basketball players, football players, come, they get a day that they want to go back to where they came from. You know, great guys like Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar, you know, there. Benjamin Shelton, there's some really tough guys that have stuck it out. But the people that, you know say I'm all ego driven. You have to have a certain eagle in this business, because back in the day, I had the top spot, bro. Guess what everybody else wants.
- [137:47]
Pat McAfee
Yep.
- [137:48]
Hulk Hogan
Everybody else wants that spot. Guess who makes the most money? The guy with the top spot. Okay. And the best worker is the guy that makes the most money. I don't care who you are, you know, I don't care what your style is. In the running, the best worker is the guy that makes the most money, and that guy's Vince McMahon. Or it was for a lot of years, you know, because he was the boss. But at the end of the day, the people that say I have an ego, they haven't worked with me. They. I don't hurt anything.
- [138:13]
Pat McAfee
It was also a necessity.
- [138:14]
Hulk Hogan
You think, oh my God, I had to.
- [138:16]
Pat McAfee
For you to survive.
- [138:16]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, for me to survive? Are you kidding me?
- [138:18]
Pat McAfee
You had to have a, a confidence about yourself that because there's a lot of people trying to get the wrestling business. You talked about a gun to your face.
- [138:25]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [138:26]
Pat McAfee
I mean, if you watch any documentary about what it used to be, cutthroat is an understatement. Let alone the politics in the locker room and everything like that. You had to have an unflappable confidence, arrogance almost to be able to continue to do your job. And if it wasn't you, it was going to be somebody. Right.
- [138:39]
Hulk Hogan
And you got to realize when I got in this business, there were like six guys sitting in the locker room. Broken noses, cauliflower ears, teeth knocked out. They're all 320, 330 pounds. And for me to take his job, I had to take the food out of his family's mouth. Mouth. Nobody wanted me in the business when I started in 77. It was a different business back in 1977. And nothing personal, but those big 300 and 350 pound guys, a lot of these guys are in the business now. If it was still the way it was, they wouldn't be in this business. You know, the guys that are buck 70, 80 pounds, they would never have let them in the business. But thank God it's changed because these guys are super athletes.
- [139:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, great show. You know, they. Anytime you talk to an OG wrestler, the conversation is always like, ah, they're planning spots and yada, yada, yada. They don't call it in the ring. I don't think anybody's calling anything in the ring anymore because there's so many eyes on everything and you know, obviously best wrestler wins every single day. That is kind of how we view it. I like to hear the fact that you're not like jaded and hate all the young guys.
- [139:38]
Hulk Hogan
No, bro, no. I mean, a lot of the guys don't like me, but I got respect for him. I understand they're going to go through a period. They're going a perfect example. When I was working at wcw, there was a whole group of young guys. They're all my friends now, you know, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, a whole bunch of young guys that were. They didn't want anybody in the business over 40. I love Chris Jericho. How's Jericho now? He's one of my favorite friends. Yeah, I don't know, you know, he's.
- [140:03]
Pat McAfee
Got to be damn near 50.
- [140:04]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. So things have changed. But they didn't understand at the time. Hogan's the oldest one, let's get rid of him. There was a lot of that going on back then. But the thing is to get rid of me. I was the star in the 80s and here goes the ego to get rid of me. I should have been gone in the 90s, you know, they really should. They had 10 years to replace me, but they didn't. So I was a star in the 90s. And then when that didn't happen, guess what happened? I still rolled in the 2000s.
- [140:30]
Pat McAfee
Hogan knows best, so.
- [140:31]
Hulk Hogan
Well, whatever.
- [140:32]
Pat McAfee
How'd you feel about that? Hindsight?
- [140:34]
Hulk Hogan
How do I feel about it? I'd never do it again.
- [140:36]
Pat McAfee
Never.
- [140:37]
Hulk Hogan
I watched. Not with my family, not in the house too much. Oh, really?
- [140:42]
Adam Schefter
Brutal. Brutal.
- [140:44]
Hulk Hogan
I mean, I'd wake up in the morning, the production crew would be outside, there'd be putting the mic and me and on my kids and everything. Like at 7 o'clock in the morning, they wouldn't leave till 10 at night. It was brutal.
- [140:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it's a lot.
- [140:55]
Hulk Hogan
It was brutal.
- [140:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. But if it means anything, as a fan of the show, it was a great show. Your misery was certainly worth it.
- [141:00]
Connor
Without a doubt.
- [141:01]
Pat McAfee
If it means anything. Tyler has a question for you. Hulkster.
- [141:04]
Connor
Yeah, you mentioned Rocky 3 getting fired. I always used to read a story that, I don't know if it was when you went in shooting, someone was told you, like, hey, you need to put on for the wrestling business. Like you need to beat the. Out of Sylvester Stallone in the ring. Like actually shoot go at him. Was there any truth to that? Cuz obviously in like with Thunder lips in Rocky 3. I always remembered reading a story that, that you did some serious damage to Sly Stallone and that you guys maybe had some beef like afterwards, after the filming was over.
- [141:35]
Hulk Hogan
No beef. But he's the one that wanted it to be real. Because when I. It's such a weird story. When I broke in Wrestling of Florida, there's a guy named Tom Ernesto. That was the booker. Okay. My first day when I went down, a guy named Hero Matsuda and I thought it was in good shape. He exercised until I was ready to faint. Burpees jumping squats. He drove. He. He made me run around Tampa Stadium a couple times. Followed me in a station wagon like two feet behind me till I was ready to pass out. Got me in the ring, put his elbow on my shin, grabbed my toe and broke my leg. First day, don't ever come back again. I was playing a rock and Roll band had long blonde hair down my back, thought I was a tough guy, but I wasn't. But at the end of the day, when I went out to do the Rocky movie, there was Tom Renell Ernesto, and Tom Ernesto was coordinating this whole thing so Stallone and Stallone could tell I wasn't real happy with the guy. And so Stallone goes, come on, Montreal, let's have lunch together. So he goes, well, what do you think of this guy? I said, well, brother, you know, it's gonna look like a bunch of fiction in there, you know, I didn't know anything about the movies. I'd never done a movie before. I negotiated Stallone with my fee on the side of the ring. He gave me 14 grand to do the part. You know, I've never had had a agent or anything before. And so he goes, well, what, what do you think would happen? I said, well, brother, I'm 330 pounds, you know, I'm 29 years old, I got a 34 inch waist and I've been over in Japan. I can really go right now. I said, if you were to reach out with a boxing glove and try to hit me at £160, I'd break you in half like a chicken. You know, I really would. So he goes, well, what do we do to make it real? I said, well, what do we need to do? I don't understand filming. He goes, well, we only need two or three big setups. I said, okay, well, charge me in the corner, I'll move, I'll slam you, I'll pick it. He goes, no, no, no. One move is one thing. Like charge me in moving. That's one setup. I didn't realize that camera's got to shoot his point of view, my point of view, and then a wide shot. You know, I didn't realize just one punch was a big setup. I didn't understand that. So once he told me what he needed, I went, we don't need Tom Ernesto. I can do this. So basically we blocked everything out move by move. And a couple times I did hurt him. I hit him with a high knee in the corner and I thought I broke his collarbone. I threw a punch. If you ever watch it again, I throw a straight in punch to his forehead that came from down here. It's one of the best punches I've ever seen thrown. Thank you. No, watch it again. That straight punch, you can't beat it. And then when I power slammed him, he wanted to take it. Instead of putting him in the middle of the Ring I was a prison and I ran with him and I put him in the corner to teach him a lesson. And when I my chest at his chest and I bounced up, I saw the blood go right out of his mouth and I went, oh hell. He goes, let's do it again. I'm going, dude, you're crazy.
- [144:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, well, it ended up being absolutely like one of the biggest moments in history. Illustrate film and obviously wrestling in that entire thing. Shout out to you, piecing it together, big old brain. No crowd either.
- [144:33]
Hulk Hogan
She can't even, you know, it was just stock stuff. It's just he said what would happen if a 300 pound wrestler got in the room with 160 pound boxer?
- [144:40]
Pat McAfee
I would eat your fist.
- [144:42]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, close enough to get to me, it'd be over.
- [144:45]
Pat McAfee
Prizic. Huh? You still talking?
- [144:48]
Hulk Hogan
It was always tis up kids on your bros other.
- [144:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that's kayfabe for risk.
- [144:54]
Hulk Hogan
Well, that was the problem the last time I went back to the wwe, Vince was there, said, hey, business, what's up with the gizz eyes in the bizzak Room? They're just his hanging out with big ears. They just listen to everything. We're dizzy. And he goes, harry, we don't speak Carney here anymore. What? You don't, you know.
- [145:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. What's up with the boys in the back? They're listening to everything that we're saying.
- [145:15]
Hulk Hogan
Cody Rhodes and a bunch of guys speak Carney, right, Jimmy? Cody still smart.
- [145:18]
Pat McAfee
There's the people that are brought up in the business.
- [145:20]
Hulk Hogan
Roman Reigns speaks it. Yeah, the whole crew.
- [145:23]
Pat McAfee
How do you feel about generational wrestlers? How do you feel about like second generation, third generation? Because obviously the bloodline, we talk about that. Jay USO just won the Rumble.
- [145:30]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, it makes life easy, man. Makes these guys have it in their blood. So they'll work hurt. A lot of people don't want to work hurt, you know, like if you break your thumb or something in the spectrum in the afternoon, you're in the garden a couple hours later, nobody complains, you work hurt, you know, teeth knocked out, broken nose. It's not a big thumb thing, you know, it's these generational wrestlers understand what their parents went through and their grandparents. And so it's like Horton, you know, Bob Orton. I wrestled his dad and when I first started in Florida, Big O was in the territory. I was a job guy. I did a squash match for Big O, his grandfather. So I wrestled three of the Ortons.
- [146:02]
Pat McAfee
You know who's Mount Rushmore? When you do Mount Rushmore, obviously A lot of people put you on there because of what you did for the business. How do you judge it? Is it money earned, business change? What do you. Whenever people do those Mount Rushmores, what do you think they should think about?
- [146:17]
Hulk Hogan
It's not money. It's not money. I. I can tell you right now who would be. I could tell you who the four guys are right now. It's Andre the Giant, okay. It's Roddy Piper. It's without a doubt, it's Ric Flair and Macho man, okay? That's, that's, that's the real Mount Rush.
- [146:37]
Pat McAfee
Okay? So you left out, obviously, attitude error there. You left out Modern generation.
- [146:42]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [146:42]
Pat McAfee
And that's because you believe company doesn't exist.
- [146:45]
Hulk Hogan
Those guys laid the groundwork for everybody that came after him.
- [146:49]
Pat McAfee
Now, obviously, you are omitting yourself from that. A lot of people, if you were going to do that.
- [146:52]
Hulk Hogan
Those guys made me. If it wasn't for those guys, I wouldn't be Hulk Hogan.
- [146:56]
Pat McAfee
Macho Man. You and he, obviously a lot of deep history. And yeah, the NWO turn was with an on macho of obviously in the world, upside down with it. Whenever you look back on your relationship with him, how do you view it?
- [147:07]
Hulk Hogan
Well, the good thing is right before he passed away, we kissed and made up.
- [147:11]
Pat McAfee
That's huge. I think that's a big deal.
- [147:13]
Hulk Hogan
We were together every day. I mean, we traveled together. He lived right down the beach from me. We trained every day. We did everything together. And then when he went to the divorce, yeah, Hogan, you're the one that did this to us. But you got in here, I'm like, what was my wife. Not me. He, you know, my wife took her down to Miami. It was game over.
- [147:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I heard about that.
- [147:32]
Hulk Hogan
Game over. Good God.
- [147:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [147:34]
Hulk Hogan
But, you know, then he hated me for like eight or 10 years. And then he got remarried to his high school sweetheart and I guess he kind of calmed down a little bit. And I was at the doctor's office. I was having some heart problems or something. He took. Came in there with his mom. And I'm just sitting there on that paper table, you know, with my. One of my ex wives. And he walks in, he opened the door, my eyes got this big. My ex wife really didn't know who he was. And he was, what's up, brother? Man, you look great, man. Because he got his size back because he went from Spider Man 290 down to about 180. And I ran into him in TNA and it wasn't cool. We weren't Cool. But he was. He was kind of like very small. I kind of felt bad, you know, and he was. Didn't look real great. And then I saw him this last time and he. Oh, man, he looks like randy. He was 240, healthy, and he had a wedding ring on. Married my high school sweetheart. And I introduced my ex wife to him. She goes, oh, Mr. Macho Man. If you want to, we're having dinner. Terry's got a bunch of his lawyers over there. I said, no, I don't need any lawyers. I think I'll start slow, you know. So then I. I was with Lanny, his brother. We were doing some independent stuff up in Canada, wrestling in some places up in Canada. And we called and I guess his dog or something had just died. I don't know what it was, but he was all right. And he was. His dog was his favorite person, you know, and his German shepherd man's best friend. Yeah, man. And Randy loved that dog. The whistle is like that kind of. That's how he would whistle for his dog. That. I can't do it. But that's how he do it.
- [149:11]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Sound like.
- [149:12]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. So anyway, we called Randy. Hey, we're going to be back this weekend. We're going to have a barbecue with your mom and stuff like that. And I'll be. Damn. He passed away before we got back.
- [149:20]
Pat McAfee
Okay. But you do have a sense of.
- [149:22]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, we were cool at the end, man. It was really cool because he was back to being Randy, you know.
- [149:27]
Pat McAfee
Any other situations you think that the world has misconstrued about you?
- [149:34]
Hulk Hogan
I don't know. I'm not trying here to, you know, make excuses for anything. I mean, some, some.
- [149:41]
Pat McAfee
No, I think that's a big piece of information there with Macho Man. I feel like I followed closely. I did not know that was the case. So I assume there's other things throughout.
- [149:47]
Hulk Hogan
No, I mean, you know, I. People either like me or they don't, you know, there's no in between. A lot of people think that I ran the show or I had the power of the pencil. I mean, you know, I've. I've heard Bret Hart say that I destroyed his career because I had the pencil, you know. But then, you know, he's hated Vince and he's hated Flare and he's hated Goldberg. Everybody hates everybody. So, I mean, I don't know where I fall in line there, but you.
- [150:10]
Pat McAfee
Don'T know where you are.
- [150:11]
Hulk Hogan
I don't know. Well, the funny thing was, last time.
- [150:13]
Pat McAfee
I saw Will you ever Try to reach out and make right.
- [150:16]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, if I saw him. Well, the last time I saw him, I was in a WWE locker room and I was being called to go to the gorilla position. And when I opened the door, Natty, who I love to death, was standing there with Brett. Hey, Brett, how you doing? I shook his hand real quick. I didn't think he really realized I did it.
- [150:30]
Pat McAfee
He's snowing.
- [150:31]
Hulk Hogan
No, I say, hey, Brett, how you doing? He stuck his hand on his, shook real quick, and I was gone before I realized. Before he realized it was me, I think.
- [150:36]
Pat McAfee
Much like you did with Macho man before.
- [150:39]
Hulk Hogan
What's that?
- [150:40]
Pat McAfee
You guys, you know, made up.
- [150:41]
Hulk Hogan
Who, Brett?
- [150:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [150:42]
Hulk Hogan
No, we haven't talked at all.
- [150:43]
Pat McAfee
No, but I'm saying you should do that with everybody.
- [150:44]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, I'd love.
- [150:45]
Pat McAfee
I think. I think it would be.
- [150:46]
Hulk Hogan
I love Breath to Death. I think he's cool as hell, man. But I don't know, you know, bro, you know, it is what it is with your career. You know what I'm saying?
- [150:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, well, especially with where the business is.
- [150:55]
Hulk Hogan
I'll put it to you this way. If you could have done any better, you would have.
- [150:58]
Pat McAfee
Okay, okay, I. I respect that. And it's about everybody. That's every sport, by the way.
- [151:03]
Hulk Hogan
Everybody makes their own deal, brother.
- [151:04]
Pat McAfee
That's not just professional wrestling. It happens in football, that happens in hockey, that happens in basketball. There's a lot of guys that think they got screwed by everybody.
- [151:11]
Hulk Hogan
No, I mean, I'm not hating Vince McMahon because he did better than me.
- [151:14]
Pat McAfee
Now, Bret Hart, though, was a guy, though. That's why it's interesting that there is still that. I hope you get a chance to bury the hatch with everybody.
- [151:20]
Hulk Hogan
I hope so.
- [151:21]
Pat McAfee
Because you guys, you and your crew, just like you mentioned you were Mount Rushmore, obviously built this business to become what it has become.
- [151:28]
Hulk Hogan
You guys got a cold beer? Yeah, we have a cold beer.
- [151:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he'll have one, too. We got some boys that are running the back. With that being said, I think we're wrap this up. I got against Cleveland for Raw, man.
- [151:39]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, that's right. That's right.
- [151:40]
Pat McAfee
You were just there. I didn't know if you were going to Raw or not, because I don't.
- [151:42]
Hulk Hogan
Know if I was or not, man. I had no idea.
- [151:45]
Pat McAfee
What is the plan? What is life? We're going around real American beer here.
- [151:49]
Hulk Hogan
Well, I got a bunch of other stuff going too, you know, I'm getting ready to. I don't want to talk too much, but I'm getting ready to open a bar in New York.
- [151:56]
Pat McAfee
What? Wow.
- [151:57]
Connor
Okay.
- [151:58]
Pat McAfee
What are you doing? Real American bar.
- [151:59]
Hulk Hogan
I don't have my phone with me. I'll show you where it's at. Okay. If this is Madison Square Garden, okay.
- [152:04]
Pat McAfee
Right here, that's the Mecca.
- [152:05]
Hulk Hogan
And this is the entrance.
- [152:07]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [152:07]
Hulk Hogan
Penn Station, right?
- [152:08]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [152:09]
Hulk Hogan
Walking from here to the Thunderdome. Sign right there.
- [152:14]
Pat McAfee
Wow.
- [152:14]
Hulk Hogan
Here's the entrance of Madison Square. And pencil my restaurants on that corner. It's the old barbecue place, Hogan's Hangout. No, I ain't Hogan saying. I ain't gonna tell you the name yet.
- [152:22]
Pat McAfee
Is that a bar, though?
- [152:23]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [152:24]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so you've run bars before?
- [152:25]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [152:26]
Pat McAfee
You understand the bar business?
- [152:27]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, yeah.
- [152:27]
Pat McAfee
So this should not be a problem.
- [152:29]
Hulk Hogan
I don't know. This is gonna be a wild one.
- [152:33]
Pat McAfee
Love it. What do you mean? I don't know.
- [152:35]
Hulk Hogan
I mean, it's, you know, there's a million people a day by the front of the place, you know?
- [152:39]
Pat McAfee
So are you gonna be out front?
- [152:41]
Hulk Hogan
I'm gonna be everywhere, brother.
- [152:42]
Pat McAfee
You doing this one right here?
- [152:43]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, I'm gonna be. I've got real American beer all over the place there, so it's gonna get crazy. Oh, can I have a cold beer, please?
- [152:50]
Pat McAfee
Cold beer. Cold beers, Wade.
- [152:52]
Hulk Hogan
See, I'm semi retired.
- [152:54]
Pat McAfee
Wait. Nice catch. It's upside down. Ty will take one downtown.
- [152:59]
Hulk Hogan
Wad. Oh, it's foamed up. Oh, yeah.
- [153:01]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I tossed it. Yeah. Call me. You in? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Day. Bunch a drink.
- [153:05]
Hulk Hogan
Hey, that skit you guys did on the show was crazy. Who was in the suit?
- [153:12]
Pat McAfee
You know? That was me. Yeah, he got a little. He's got a little foam on his. On his chin right there. Jimmy, you want a beer?
- [153:18]
Hulk Hogan
Jimmy, don't. Jimmy, you don't drink. I will today. No, you're not. You'll do one.
- [153:22]
Pat McAfee
Nice catch, Jimmy. Nice athlete. Don't ever get it twisted.
- [153:27]
Hulk Hogan
Jimmy, you won't drink a beer. I've asked you for 45 years to drink a beer with me.
- [153:32]
Pat McAfee
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You weren't drinking now, remember? Vitamins, prayers.
- [153:35]
Hulk Hogan
I was. No, I was drinking. He wasn't.
- [153:37]
Pat McAfee
Oh, okay. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Hey, here's to you, Hulkster.
- [153:40]
Hulk Hogan
Real American.
- [153:41]
Pat McAfee
That's right. I am a real American. Drinking this beer on sand again.
- [153:52]
Hulk Hogan
There you go.
- [153:53]
Pat McAfee
Tastes like a little bit of a Bush Light. Oh.
- [153:57]
Hulk Hogan
Oh.
- [154:01]
Pat McAfee
You don't agree with that?
- [154:03]
Hulk Hogan
Bush Light's pretty good.
- [154:04]
Pat McAfee
Yes. This is in the same.
- [154:05]
Hulk Hogan
You didn't say Bud Light. You said Bush Light.
- [154:07]
Pat McAfee
Bush. Bush.
- [154:08]
Hulk Hogan
Bush.
- [154:08]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it's in the same vein.
- [154:09]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah.
- [154:10]
Pat McAfee
On the light beers.
- [154:11]
Hulk Hogan
You know what we need, brother?
- [154:12]
Pat McAfee
What's that?
- [154:13]
Hulk Hogan
We need a Hollywood Hogan 8.0 NWO. Oh, yeah. Welcome to the dark side. Ride dirty with the real American beer, brother.
- [154:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Why don't you do it? Get it done with the PBR executive give, man.
- [154:26]
Hulk Hogan
I don't know. I think we're going to get it done with wwe. We can get it done with.
- [154:30]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Congrats on the deal with the ww.
- [154:31]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, man. They're our partners.
- [154:32]
Pat McAfee
How's it been working with that post, Vince?
- [154:35]
Hulk Hogan
You know what? I love Vince McMahon to death, but it is like two brothers. We would fight like dogs.
- [154:43]
Pat McAfee
Been through a lot together, man.
- [154:45]
Hulk Hogan
We would fight over everything, you know, Pretty good everything.
- [154:49]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Not be my first real American beer swig. He drinks them all in in the office.
- [154:54]
Hulk Hogan
Working with Nick Khan and Triple H is like smooth as butter, right, Jimmy? It's just like, they tell you what they think. They like a lot of the ideas. They contribute to the ideas. Nick Khan was the Hulkamaniac. Triple H has just been gracious and nice to us. And I wish I had Stephanie to work with, too.
- [155:13]
Pat McAfee
Well, I think.
- [155:14]
Hulk Hogan
But she's staying home, I think.
- [155:15]
Pat McAfee
No, I don't know. Oh, she. I. It feels like she's getting back on that board. Y feels like it. Especially after this weekend, you know, she came here, she's doing some. She's like, kind of slowly easing back.
- [155:27]
Connor
Came out first at the road.
- [155:29]
Hulk Hogan
She knows the business inside and out.
- [155:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Grew up in it. I mean, these are like, real deal. Grew up in it. Just like you, man. We're lucky to, you know, have experience at Terry Belia to the Hulkster kind of entire road in Rock Run. And thank you for what you've done for the business.
- [155:45]
Hulk Hogan
And this brother's good in the ring, too. I don't know how much you guys know about it, but watching you in the ring when you first came on, I'm sitting home, going over the top, crazy big mouth, raising hell. I'm going, they're gonna love this guy, especially. Vince was there when you started, right?
- [156:03]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [156:04]
Hulk Hogan
I said, vince is gonna love this. Just right down his. And then I saw you get in the ring. Ring. I said, this brother's an athlete. I'm gonna find out what he did. And then I found out you played football and stuff. I went, holy smokes.
- [156:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [156:15]
Hulk Hogan
Now I know why you got balance and timing, because that's what it's all about, you know, that balance and timing.
- [156:19]
Pat McAfee
Is a big deal.
- [156:19]
Hulk Hogan
It's Everything.
- [156:20]
Pat McAfee
That's why watching Michael Cole. Yeet. It's like Cole stinks in the ring. He's got no rhythm. You guys got no rhythm, no timing, no nothing.
- [156:27]
Hulk Hogan
But also balance, timing and placement. If you're not in the right place, you're gonna get hurt real bad.
- [156:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, and you can make everybody. Everybody look terrible.
- [156:34]
Hulk Hogan
Exactly. Yeah, you got it. Yeah. When I saw you there. Okay. The brother's got it.
- [156:38]
Pat McAfee
I'll tell you what, though. I've been in there a few times.
- [156:40]
Hulk Hogan
You know who else has got it?
- [156:41]
Pat McAfee
Check the box. I'm okay.
- [156:42]
Hulk Hogan
You've done the gimmick yet? Red turns to green. I'll wacky the first time.
- [156:47]
Pat McAfee
Okay, you got it. Hey, actually, bring a chair out now. Just old school.
- [156:51]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, you don't want a hard way from me, ask Jimmy. You don't want one? No. If you're a virgin, I'll hit you the first time.
- [156:57]
Pat McAfee
Okay, Sweet. I appreciate that. Always remember that.
- [156:59]
Hulk Hogan
There you go.
- [156:59]
Pat McAfee
Always remember the first time. I certainly will. Who? Who else you think? Logan.
- [157:02]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, God, he's so good.
- [157:04]
Pat McAfee
He's great.
- [157:04]
Hulk Hogan
Oh, he's so good.
- [157:05]
Pat McAfee
You think he still doesn't know what a shooter of work is? I don't. I think that was a work on you.
- [157:08]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, it was. He playing.
- [157:09]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think so too.
- [157:10]
Hulk Hogan
He's playing. He's a dumb fox.
- [157:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. He worked your ass though.
- [157:13]
Hulk Hogan
He sure did.
- [157:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you're like, brother.
- [157:17]
Ty Schmidt
Problem.
- [157:18]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, they were. Is this a shoot they were playing? Yeah, they were playing.
- [157:22]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he worked you a little bit. Hey, you better watch yourself though, because you work yourself into a shoot.
- [157:26]
Hulk Hogan
There you go, brother.
- [157:27]
Pat McAfee
Is that one of the greatest tweets of all time? I think so.
- [157:29]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. I think it is very cool.
- [157:31]
Pat McAfee
Cuz the business is a shoot. I agree with that.
- [157:33]
Hulk Hogan
Everything's a shoot. Are you kidding me? This business is not at work. This is a shoot. If this was a work. So you and I are wrestling and I get paid 2 million bucks and you get 600 grand. Is that a work?
- [157:48]
Pat McAfee
Who's going to win?
- [157:49]
Hulk Hogan
It doesn't matter. No, but I'm saying the money in the miles. Who cares who wins? It's entertainment. It's predetermined. It's a shoot. If somebody's making more money than me, that's a shoot. To me. It's a shoot. Right?
- [158:01]
Pat McAfee
Absolutely.
- [158:01]
Hulk Hogan
It's the money and the miles. Old school. How long you got to be away from your family and quality of life? And how much money are they paying you to destroy your life and be on the road. So if I'm wrestling with somebody, they're making more money than me. It's a shoot. And it should be a shoot to them, too.
- [158:17]
Pat McAfee
Does everybody know how much everybody's making?
- [158:20]
Hulk Hogan
I don't know. Nobody's making my day's. I. I already had my day. I got nothing to prove. I'm good.
- [158:25]
Pat McAfee
Nobody's making as much as a Hulkster.
- [158:27]
Hulk Hogan
No way. I don't. Wait a minute. Hold on. I had my day, but I was. I was born 20 years too soon.
- [158:33]
Pat McAfee
Oh, you're saying nowadays paycheck's a little bit different? Biggest gate in the history. Biggest gate in the history of the WWE just happened this Royal Rumble.
- [158:41]
Hulk Hogan
I know. It was awesome.
- [158:42]
Pat McAfee
And then it's like the last biggest one was like. Like, whatever. The last. I think Mania. Yeah, the last one. And then the next one will be.
- [158:49]
Hulk Hogan
Business is on fire, brother. It's crazy.
- [158:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but it's different pay model now, right? No longer the pay per view checks and everything like that because of streaming and everything.
- [158:57]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, it's different.
- [158:58]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it is all different.
- [158:59]
Hulk Hogan
I don't know anything about it. I wish I did. I'd. I'd love to get in the middle of that.
- [159:03]
Pat McAfee
One more match.
- [159:04]
Hulk Hogan
Easy. One more match. No, it ain't there, bro. One more surgery. If I fall down in the ring, I think I turn. Turn to dust.
- [159:15]
Pat McAfee
Biggest first moment that pops in your head when you think your entire career right now.
- [159:19]
Hulk Hogan
What's. I didn't understand you.
- [159:20]
Pat McAfee
First moment that pops in your head when you think about your entire career right now, Andre.
- [159:23]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. Slamming the Giant.
- [159:25]
Connor
Has to be.
- [159:26]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. I didn't know if he was gonna let me do it.
- [159:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. That was. Shoot. Right.
- [159:29]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. He. And he didn't tell me he was going to win or lose, and he was in a very bad mood, which is unstoppable.
- [159:37]
Pat McAfee
Right.
- [159:38]
Hulk Hogan
If you're in the dressroom with him and he drinks two bottles of Crown Royal, you're. Jeez, you're good. If he drinks two bottles of Crown Royal and some other stuff for the pain, watch out.
- [159:48]
Pat McAfee
You don't know what's taking place.
- [159:50]
Hulk Hogan
Watch out.
- [159:50]
Pat McAfee
That was standard operating procedure back then. Obviously not two bottles. Andre is a different animal, but people used to just to get through. Let's get through the night. Let's see the next stop.
- [159:58]
Hulk Hogan
No, the guys really didn't drink. It was just me and a couple guys. I always kept a case of beer in the dressing room for the boys. Well, for me, too. Of course. I. I had to have a couple Beers before I went to the ring, you know, I just did it. Just made me loose, you know?
- [160:14]
Connor
Turns you into the Hulk.
- [160:15]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah. Made me over animated. I needed that.
- [160:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [160:17]
Hulk Hogan
So I didn't have to wrestle very much.
- [160:19]
Pat McAfee
Never shy. Whole life always built for public eye, you think?
- [160:24]
Hulk Hogan
Even as a shy through high school, fat kid wouldn't take his shirt off, you know, that whole deal.
- [160:29]
Pat McAfee
And then he started.
- [160:30]
Hulk Hogan
Yeah, I started because I wanted a girlfriend, man.
- [160:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [160:32]
Hulk Hogan
I get started drinking Diet Cokes, eating one Burger King a day. Boom. I need to start doing that. Yeah, he.
- [160:37]
Pat McAfee
Scott, need to start. He drinks four real American beers on.
- [160:40]
Hulk Hogan
There you go. No, this business is awesome. I mean, I just love where it's at now. I just can't believe how big it is. The WWE is just dominating.
- [160:50]
Pat McAfee
You think Cena should have turned heel?
- [160:52]
Hulk Hogan
My opinion.
- [160:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Because what happened with you.
- [160:57]
Hulk Hogan
In my opinion, I think Jon would have been one of the greatest heels ever because he was such a great baby face. And, you know, you repent after you've cut everybody's throat, stolen all the money, and cheated and stolen everything, then when you repent and beg for forgiven forgiveness, the wrestling fans will make even a bigger baby face.
- [161:19]
Pat McAfee
Here's to you, Hulkster.
- [161:21]
Hulk Hogan
All right. Real American beer in the house.
- [161:23]
Pat McAfee
It's available where?
- [161:25]
Hulk Hogan
Everywhere.
- [161:26]
Pat McAfee
Really? Nationwide.
- [161:27]
Hulk Hogan
Well, we're in 20 states. We're working on the rest of them.
- [161:30]
Pat McAfee
Boom. Good work, brother.
- [161:32]
Hulk Hogan
Good work, brother.
- [161:33]
Pat McAfee
Hey, be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together. Never forget it.
- [161:39]
Hulk Hogan
Yes, sir. Thank you.
- [161:40]
Pat McAfee
Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three.
- [161:44]
Hulk Hogan
Team.
- [161:45]
Pat McAfee
Cheers. Goodbye.
- [161:47]
Hulk Hogan
Goodbye.