PMS 2.0 1318 - Rule Changes From The League Meetings, Peter Schrager, "The Mayor" Sean Casey, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Summary of "PMS 2.0 1318 - Rule Changes From The League Meetings, Peter Schrager, 'The Mayor' Sean Casey, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk"

Release Date: April 1, 2025 | Host: Pat McAfee, ESPN

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1. Introduction to Rule Changes and Current NFL Landscape

Pat McAfee opens the episode by reflecting on recent travels and immediately dives into significant updates from the NFL league meetings held in Florida. A major topic is the contentious debate over the Tush Push play, which has been a staple for the Philadelphia Eagles but has sparked controversy across the league.

Notable Quote:

• Pat McAfee (00:00): "One team needs to be punished and no longer allowed to do the tush push. Well, they went ahead and put a pin in that. They're going to circle back in May. Allegedly."

2. The Tush Push Controversy

The Tush Push play remains at the forefront, with the league committee splitting the vote 16-16 on whether to ban it. This deadlock means the decision is postponed to May for further deliberation.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee (01:17): "16 for the ban, 16 against the ban. They will further discuss it in May."
• Darius Butler (07:03): "Being on the opposite. That makes sense."

The discussion highlights the Eagles' strategic use of the play to gain short yardage, likening it to CFL-style football, and touches on potential injuries associated with its use.

Notable Quote:

• Pat McAfee (18:00): "If they get rid of it and the Eagles can look at each other and be like, we're that good at this."

3. Upcoming NFL Rule Changes

Several other rule changes were approved:

• Kickoffs to the 35-Yard Line: Enhances player safety by reducing high-speed collisions.

  Notable Quote:

  • Pat McAfee (20:51): "Kickoff will now go to the 35 after a touchback, which is good."

• Punters Bringing Their Own Balls: Allows punters to customize their game balls, potentially impacting hang times and punting strategies.

  Notable Quote:

  • Pat McAfee (21:43): "They're going to be able to bring their own balls to the games, look for punters to hit gigantic balls."

• Overtime Adjustments: Aligns regular-season overtime rules with playoff standards, introducing a 10-minute period instead of untethered play.

Notable Quote:

• Pat McAfee (24:35): "Overtime stuff being the same as you get a chance to answer. But it is in a 10 minute period as opposed to in playoffs."

4. Special Guest: Peter Schrager

Peter Schrager, the newest member of the ESPN team and an Emmy Award-winning analyst, joins the show to provide expert insights into the rule changes.

Discussion Highlights:

• Competition Committee Dynamics: Schrager explains the complexities of rule changes, emphasizing the influence of prominent coaches like Sean McDermott against the Tush Push.

  Notable Quote:

  • Peter Schrager (17:20): "Sean McDermott...is a quarterback sneak in a big AFC championship game that got stuffed."

• Impact on the Game: Schrager and McAfee debate whether the Tush Push restricts defensive play and maintains the Eagles' advantage.

  Notable Quote:

  • Peter Schrager (22:17): "Darren Rizzi...is carrying that torch."

5. Player Moves and Free Agency Insights

The conversation shifts to player movements, particularly focusing on Aaron Rodgers and his potential move to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Notable Quotes:

• Darius Butler (05:49): "Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, for sure. No question about it."
• Pat McAfee (09:05): "I don't see that happening. I see Aaron Rodgers being the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers."

Discussion includes Rodgers' workouts with DK Metcalf and the implications for team dynamics and performance.

6. MLB Rule Innovations: The Torpedo Bat

Transitioning to baseball, the hosts explore the introduction of the Torpedo Bat, a specialized bat design aimed at enhancing hitting performance.

Notable Quote:

• Sean Casey (52:47): "What they're saying is...they're giving yourself a sweeter spot to hit the ball on."

Discussion Highlights:

• Customization and Player Performance: Sean Casey explains how the bat's design allows hitters to better connect with the ball, much like customized golf clubs.
• Market Reception: The hosts debate whether pitchers will oppose the Torpedo Bat, balancing offensive and defensive play in MLB.

Notable Quote:

• Pat McAfee (60:56): "The Torpedo bat era is about to begin in a big way."

7. AI and Technology in Sports

A lighter segment delves into the role of AI in sports ticketing and media, with mentions of platforms like SeatGeek utilizing AI to enhance user experience.

Notable Quote:

• Pat McAfee (58:38): "The thing about the AI that they have, okay, SeaGeek's AI has been around for a while. It's a mature AI. It actually scans the rest of the Internet to make sure that the ticket that you're buying is a good ticket to buy."

8. The Mayor: Sean Casey on Baseball Innovations

Sean Casey, dubbed "The Mayor," discusses the application's impact of technology in baseball, specifically the Torpedo Bat, and its potential to revolutionize the game.

Notable Quotes:

• Sean Casey (52:47): "These are totally legal... it's almost like golf clubs."
• Pat McAfee (60:56): "The Torpedo bat era is about to begin in a big way."

9. Closing Remarks and Final Banter

The show wraps up with the hosts sharing humorous anecdotes, teasing future discussions, and emphasizing the excitement surrounding the new rule changes in both the NFL and MLB.

Notable Quote:

• Pat McAfee (87:05): "We took a big swing and miss. It sucks. We move. See another day."

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Pat McAfee Show" provides an in-depth analysis of recent NFL rule changes, the ongoing Tush Push debate, insights from special guest Peter Schrager, and innovations in MLB with the introduction of the Torpedo Bat. Additionally, the hosts touch upon the integration of AI in sports ticketing and continue to offer their trademark blend of humor and expert commentary, making the episode informative and engaging for both loyal listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this new rules. Tuesday, April 1, 2025. This program starts now. Sports are happening all around us, and obviously we're incredibly lucky to get a chance to chat about it every single day. Last night I was in London, what a wonderful town. Actually had a blast shout out to Wade Barrett, being an incredibly hospitable host in all the points that we slammed around the Thames river and such. It was a great ra Atmosphere. It was a great crowd. Then I got a chance to fly back here to Indianapolis, Indiana. When I woke up this morning, holy hell, we're in a new world. There's a bunch of new rules happening in the NFL, down to league meetings, happening down in Florida where the weather looks spectacular. The hands have been shaken. And there's been one particular rule that has been talked about all week, maybe all season, where one team is better than everybody else at one team might be tougher than everybody else. One team needs to be punished and no longer allowed to do the tush push. Well, they went ahead and put a pin in that. They're going to circle back in May. Allegedly. It was a split decision. A split.

[AJ Hawk]

Room.

[Pat McAfee]

16 for the ban, 16 against the ban. They will further discuss it in May. They will say now if they're doing that, people around the Internet and listen, hey, let's, you know, the Internet, especially today, let's keep our head on this.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

April 1st on the Internet is a. It's a wild place. Oh, yeah, it is. Especially the AI nowadays. Sure. Don't be getting fooled. Okay. Don't be thinking there's a palm tree, extra point upright. Okay. For fau.

[Darius Butler]

Sounds cool.

[Boston Connor]

There's a chance it looked neat.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it did. But there's gonna be a lot of that. But what everybody. I mean, I put this tweet up. Oh, no. Just to out myself as somebody that looked at this and thought to myself, this is awesome. And then, you know, Conor looks over at me, goes, are we sure this is real on April 1st? And then that's when you see the. Oh, no.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, no.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no. I fell for this. I hope that Costa Carolina isn't doing an April Fool's because I learned about this yesterday. There's no. Did they do a pre April? No way. Ladies and gentlemen, Coast Carolina football team announced this just yesterday on the Internet. Don't know how this works. What's up, boss?

[Ty Schmidt]

Hey, how's it going?

[Pat McAfee]

Good. What's the damage? Free. Free. Well, what about for this?

[Tone]

Free as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Free. All of it. Free. You want some nachos?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Free, too.

[Boston Connor]

All free.

[Pat McAfee]

All free. Free. Can I get 50 of these?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, Free.

[Pat McAfee]

Free. What about a drink? All of it. Free. Free.

[Peter Schrager]

Have two drinks.

[Pat McAfee]

Drinks and a hot dog. Yeah, hot dogs. Free too. All free.

[Ty Schmidt]

There you go.

[Darius Butler]

Free.

[Pat McAfee]

Free. Sweet. That's right. Till nation this fall in Brooks Stadium. Every fan, every game, always free. Free concessions, popcorn, nachos, hot dog fountain, drinks and water for every fan. This fall. Come out to Brooks Stadium. Get your tickets now and cheer on the shots. Go, shots. Hey, Bob, I don't know who you are, but you're going to see a visit from us. I mean, we're going to test this thing. There has to be some sort of living guy in the country. I mean, it's going to be tough to keep the homeless out of there. Obviously getting a free meal and free drink for not only yourself. And maybe the next week could be an opportunity for some to take advantage of down there. But nonetheless, I thought this. Then I thought the palm trees. I'm like, college ball is becoming minor league baseball. I love what we're doing. I don't know how that's going to work out for them. I honestly, I genuinely. In a time where everybody's trying to get money for the nil stuff and trying to figure it all out, they're like, let's go the opposite direction. Let's give away everything.

[Boston Connor]

Everything.

[Pat McAfee]

And if they fill that place up, they're thinking merch, maybe there'll be purchases and ticket sales obviously going to go up. There has to be a limit. One drink, one food item. I don't know because I saw that guy. That guy had two drinks, a hot dog, nachos and everything else on there. So palm tree is not real. We believe that was. That was in March, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

For week one, at least.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So anyways, that's happening. Roger Goodell, allegedly, if something gets tabled for another meeting, it is something that he is looking to potentially further explore. Which means, hey, we are going to have to figure this thing out. And maybe it does just go down to one person's allowed to push in May, or maybe it just remains the same. And if it does, the Philadelphia Eagles will continue to take a victory lap because not only are they the ones that are going to be the lottery us about this, because they've had the most success. They won a Super bowl with this play being a massive piece of their team, their fans are loud. The social media. I don't know if you saw the Philadelphia Eagles just posted on Their Twitter a peach with a push on it. Just saying. Hey Tosh, push is ours. It survives another day. Yep, there it is. But there's been a lot of rules that have changed. We'll chit chat about that. There's a lot going on in sport of baseball which I did not expect us to chit chat about as much as we have thus far. Hockey's happening, obviously. Records are on the line and college basketball in the middle of its biggest time. Today should be a fan. Fantastic day. Peter Schrager will be joining us. The newest member of the ESPN team. He was formerly at NFL Network and at Fox. Now he will be joining ESPN as an ESPN NFL representative. Schrager, old friend of ours, obviously an Emmy award winner. Cannot wait to see him back or I don't know if he's ever been with espn.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think so.

[Pat McAfee]

And we can't wait to chat with him. Talks tables here at Boston. Connor at ty strmait 1/2 of the Hammer done. Cowboys AP Tone is here. Tone, I see you wearing the Steelers hoodie which is perfect for nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here looking very cool. Pittsburgh Steelers Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf playing catch. I've seen a lot of conversation about that still happening. What do you think the final outcome is? Opening day of the NFL season. Who's quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers?

[Darius Butler]

Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, for sure. No question about but yeah, I think Aaron, I mean just looking at it, I don't see, I know people are still talking Vikings and hanging that out there. I don't see that happening. I see Aaron Rodgers being the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hopefully that announcement doesn't come today being that it is April Fools. But I think it is coming at some point before the draft. But that's just me. I'm sure most people probably feel like that because I don't think we, none of us up here think Aaron's going to retire.

[Pat McAfee]

Well especially after this workout at UCLA now Amen. Culture and Ari Pulley NFL got this video in the photos he's wearing all black, you know.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Pittsburgh Steelers obviously black and gold team throwing a DK Metcalf doesn't seem to be throwing to anybody else. Seem to be in rhythm. This obviously comes after a meeting that he took in Pittsburgh. AP Tone, whenever you see the photos and you see the video, do you start fantasizing? Because I saw people even analyzing Aaron Rodgers his hand size on the Internet. I saw a tweet that goes we go from Kenny Pickett's Hand size to Aaron Rodgers. Hand size on the football. It feels like everything that comes out gets Steelers fans either more exc. Excited or make a decision already. We're sick of waiting on this guy.

[Tone]

Yeah, it's a little bit of both. This actually kind of pissed me off quite a bit.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Tone]

Being on the opposite.

[Pat McAfee]

That makes sense.

[Peter Schrager]

What.

[Tone]

What are we doing? Okay, you're out here throwing with DK parading around. Sign on the dotted line already.

[Ty Schmidt]

What, like parade?

[Pat McAfee]

What is parade?

[Tone]

He wanted to see if DK could catch before he wanted to join the Steelers or what the situation here is.

[Pat McAfee]

Get the.

[Tone]

He doesn't sign with this point.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, boy.

[Tone]

But no.

[Darius Butler]

Last night.

[Peter Schrager]

But as.

[Tone]

But, you know.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, boy. What? Oh, boy, what.

[Tone]

What was this for then?

[Pat McAfee]

What was it?

[Tone]

Just to piss everybody off?

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe we were both in Los Angeles.

[Ty Schmidt]

Just to get your name in the lights.

[Pat McAfee]

No. What? You don't. You don't think maybe they just so happen to be in Los Angeles and Amen Culture was right around the corner and they said, let's go get a workout and why not? There's a chance maybe we could be teammates. A lot of people talk about. Everybody's talking about it. Look how happy they are. Big smiles. Yeah.

[Tone]

So they. So they should make it official and be teammates. But no, but then I thought, you know, this is where Tom was working out before he went Tampa and won the Super Bowl. And I see Aaron.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Tone]

And I see him throwing a dk and I picture him in the jerseys. I. I see. I see eight thrown to four.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Tone]

Many, many touchdowns. I assume we'd be eight. Why not?

[Pat McAfee]

How'd you feel about the backwards hat? I love the back. Love it. Love. It's just hot watching that thing come out, too. Still spinning it. You know, just like at the end of the year. It is. I thought there'd be more wide receivers, you know, GP rap sheet. Well, I don't know if he's just setting up full off season workouts for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I thought there'd be more of a collection of wide receivers. Like, I thought DK Metcalf would be there, but also like a 2 or a 3 from another team would also be working out. And we're all making a big deal out of it just being DK Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers. Then the photos come out, and it's like, amen. Culture's out there.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Aaron's out there and DK Metcalf.

[Darius Butler]

Do we know who set it up? Was it. Was it Aaron? Was it? Amen cultures, dk. So Aaron just hit up. Do they have the same representation or what's the. I don't know.

[Tone]

It was for sure. To be honest, I don't know if anybody does. But you know, your quarterback. Quarterbacks normally are the ones that organize it.

[Darius Butler]

I.

[Ty Schmidt]

So yeah, Aaron called to the moon and the moon answered and the moon called the dk. I mean, if I'm George Pickens, I'm. I'm raising hell in Pittsburgh.

[Pat McAfee]

He might have been invited. He might have been down in Florida.

[Ty Schmidt]

If, if George got invited, he would have been there. So if I'm gp, I'm saying, you know what, Aaron?

[Pat McAfee]

Go to hell.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm shipping somewhere else, brother. Trade me right now. And guess what? I'm gonna make a fuss about it. I'm gonna make a big old fuss about it because people are wondering if.

[Pat McAfee]

We were gonna be able to coexist.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, hey, guess what? I can coexist with dk. I can't coexist with this hippie because he can't even send me a text or call to the moon for me. And plus, at the end of the.

[Pat McAfee]

Day, look at those.

[Ty Schmidt]

Look at Aaron's arms. The guy's kind of jacked up. Has he been. Has he been lifting a little bit more? Has he been working out? Maybe got a new better trainer perhaps? Maybe he's kind of on his. On the up and up comes to his physique because good lord, the man looks jacked. If I'm pissed, he might be taking.

[Pat McAfee]

A different strategy on the body.

[Boston Connor]

Look.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know.

[Ty Schmidt]

Look at the veins in his arms, the forearms. I mean, this does look like a mass pain in heaven.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, maybe potentially. But the more I see of it, I'm like, oh, this is definitely. Hey, so he wants. He went into the Pittsburgh Steelers UPMC practice facility. I wonder if he had a meal there too. Just a full out maybe. What is my intimate first time ever being a free agent? First time ever getting a chance to like learn about what I'm going to potentially sign up for. Allegedly the money's been figured out and it is all good now. It's just what does he want to do? And watching that video, it's like, I don't think he's retiring. No, you're backwards hat in the middle of a workout.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think you're retiring at that point. And he's moving smooth. Remember end of the season, a little bit more healthy on that Achilles. I think they looked a lot different. I just like, we all Kind of assumed, even though it was always dangling there, there's no way he's going out like that with the jets, you know, there's no way that.

[Darius Butler]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

Seems to be a formality here happening inevitably. But what if it doesn't? Don't say, better not.

[Boston Connor]

Better not be.

[Tone]

He could have called Justin Jefferson. He didn't. He called DK Metcalf. Just saying.

[Ty Schmidt]

Good point.

[Darius Butler]

Good point. Fair point.

[Pat McAfee]

What are the Vikings saying? There's a lot of things being said down at the owner's meetings down in Florida. A lot of cheddar chitter chatter, a lot of hanging out. Jay Glazer was with every head coach, everybody smoking cigars.

[Darius Butler]

Jay Glazer football.

[Pat McAfee]

That is Jay Glazer. I wonder what Jay was bringing the boys around for. You know, if you look to Jay Glazer's video that he posted on Social, right next to him, Dan Quinn, and obviously you got Shanahan, McDaniel, Koc. Those are the boys, the McVeigh boys. You know, then you kind of go around, scatter through, I think maybe some newer coaches further away from Jay Glazer. The closer you are to Jay Glazer, obviously, the better you are than Andy Reid's right next to him. And I do want a pretty cool day. Jay Glazer says. I could fathom, I could imagine. I do wonder what the meeting of the minds is happening here at owners meetings, because just like at the combine, obviously they're watching and scouting and doing that, but it's the conversations that are happening off hours that are kind of getting everything done here at the combine, free agency and stuff. I wonder how many off hour conversations are taking place down there amongst the coaches about like, hey, we need to try to work on this together to better the league. We need to do this, or, hey, who can hammer the most amount of beers here? I like to get a good camaraderie setting and I'm happy. Jay Glazer seemingly the guy bringing them together.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, he's obviously holding the court. That's. That's Glazer football. Interested to see what, what he breaks at some point. But these are, you know, a lot of conversations have. We talk about it always being a fraternity amongst players. Same way with coaches. I'm sure this is when some of the conversations may happen about maybe, hey, I just got a free agent from your team. Maybe some more conversations about the quarterback or receiver, how he's going to be in a locker room or in the community, other coaches, other people in their new spots, putting roster Their coaching staffs together. So all these kind of conversations are happening. Obviously these rules that, that have been voted upon that will be passed, won't be. Will be table. So all these things are happening. But I'm excited to see what Glaze comes out with pretty soon here on.

[Pat McAfee]

That note, a man who's been in that circle before, guy's been in every circle before, I believe. If we, if I recall the story correctly, he, like, slept on people's couches down in like the Senior bowl whenever he was getting. Went to school down in Georgia. Very, very Emory religious. I think. So I think it's like, yeah, very.

[Boston Connor]

Prestigious, tough to get into. I think it's very selective.

[Ty Schmidt]

Very, very need to know the right people.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't think it's just an easy.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I would. I don't think I'm anywhere near getting in there or whatever. Anyways. Chose to take the long road in the NFL media world. Insider, analyst, pundit, mock drafter, hand shaker, Emmy award winner is what inevitably it all led to with Good Morning Football. Now he is joining espn, an absolute legend. Ladies and gentlemen, front of the program, Peter Schra. What up, Shregs?

[Peter Schrager]

Dude, what an awesome intro. I cannot believe you're on air. And fine after being in London, like last night where I was watching you. You're incredible, dude.

[Darius Butler]

I love it.

[Pat McAfee]

Now that's you, Shregs. And to be quite transparent for those that have the ability. And if there's a direct flight London at like a nighttime flight, you land in the morning, like 7:38am, have a day. Then whenever you fly, if you can fly back at night, you land 5am, 6am in the morning. So you're in there. I think if you stay for a few days and you get onto their time, I think you're in trouble. But I think if you just go in, stick and move, because I did with Scotland last week, you know, had to get back because Mr. LeBron James was gonna stop by the Thunderdome. So that's been actually fun to get over there. I assume you've traveled to Europe numerous times. I have had a blast. It was very, very nice over there. Very nice. It's amazing.

[Peter Schrager]

And I don't know, and I don't know how the wrestling fans are, but, like, we go for the NFL games and they just want sports and they want the NFL. And I was watching you on, on Raw and it's like, it's the same exact thing for the wrestling, obviously. And the Juice is a little different. They're Not. It's not like they're not spoiled or anything or that the American sports fans are spoiled, but they're so gracious and so happy that you're bringing your product to them. It's like, oh, come on, this is a dream for us, too.

[Pat McAfee]

It's.

[Peter Schrager]

It's truly awesome. And I thought you were amazing on it.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you. Well, they're born and raised in the hooligan atmosphere, too. You know, like soccer games. They're singing through the game. There's a lot of action, even though there's not a lot of goals being scored. The fans, I don't want to say, have to generate the juice, but they kind of do. And they carry that into everything. It's almost like the Pacific Northwest, you know, like the Pacific Northwest. They're going to be good fans. Bingo. They'll show up for that. Like, yeah, that is. Anyways, welcome to espn. We're pumped that you're here. We just showed that video of Jay Glazer kind of sitting down, chit chatting and mingling down the owners meetings. We assume you've been before, but let's talk about how some of these rules get passed that are currently happening. So, for instance, the Tush push. It has been table for May. Has been table for May. What does that mean? Does that mean commissioner or. Some people want to kind of rally and find some votes. What is normally happening behind the scenes strikes?

[Peter Schrager]

I've been doing this for a long time as far as, like, the competition committee goes, and usually you'll have a rule proposed and maybe there'll be two or three people who are like, yes, let's do it. This Tush push took on a whole different life of its own. Almost like it was an election of some sort and that there were people lobbying other people for votes. It split 16 to 16, meaning it's a dead split as to who wants to get rid of it and who wants to keep it. Now you would need to get eight more votes to get rid of it. The league, though, you'd think that the league would. The league is one of the main sources of, like, hey, we don't have any injury data to push that. It has to be removed. Like, if this was a bunch of injuries and guys were getting concussed and we have data, hard empirical evidence that there are needs being shattered because of this thing. Well, then I promise you, the league would be pushing that direction. They don't have that data. There is no data around it. What's interesting is you've got some big personalities who are lobbying to see some changes. And it's a different breed of coaches. It's McVay, it's LaFleur, Raheem Morris, these guys and I talked to this tush push. It's gross. It's crap. Like, it's not. It's not what?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's a scrum, Shregs. You know, it's an ode to the past while still paying tribute to today. The modern athlete takes on old school sport. And to your point, whenever Philly lines up and does it, it's like, okay, they're going to pick up 2 to 4 yards here and they're going to get a first down. So they're playing like CFL football. It is first and nine for them and they have three downs basically to get to that. And I think that's kind of their big point, right, is if it was so easy, everybody would do it. Do we think more people now, if this thing remains, will start to try to implement it, or how do you see it kind of going if the rule doesn't change going forward?

[Peter Schrager]

Well, that's an age old debate. Jeff Stoutman and the boys in Philly have mastered this and teams have tried and they have not succeeded. And one of the interesting people who's really against it is Sean McDermott, who's on the, who's on the committee. And of course, Sean McDermott ran several different quarterback sneaks in a big AFC championship game that got stuffed, you know, one yard short. And a lot of people are saying, hey, just because you can't do it, don't, don't get rid of it. And McDermott's point is, no, that's an injury waiting to happen. And this thing is hideous. Like seeing Frankie Luvu jump over the line of scrimmage four times and having a ref come out and be like, look, I'm just going to give him a touchdown. That's not fun. That's not. But if you're an Eagles fan, you're like, you know, come and stop us. Like, figure it out. And it's the whole thing about machismo and bravado and it becomes this thing of, like, testosterone and like, you know, we're the, we're the bullies in town. I almost think it's kind of cool if they get rid of it and the Eagles can look at each other and be like, we're that good at this. If they had to ban it from.

[Pat McAfee]

The league, yeah, the Philadelphia Eagles doing this and being the team is so perfect for their city. I mean, it's so perfect. Sorry we're too tough. Okay. Sorry you johns aren't gritty enough to be able to stop us. It's like, what a perfect city. Perfect coach too. Sirianni. Dogs. We want dogs. Sorry our dogs are hungrier than your dogs, you know, O line, D line. Howie, that's all he cares about. Like, it is such a perfect situation.

[Peter Schrager]

And that's my, that's also my favorite aspect of this. Howie obviously didn't play college or professional football. Howie's, you know, this brilliant mind. But like talking to Howie about like he's got his chest out a little bit, like, oh, poor babies. Like, you guys can't. And that bleeds throughout the entire city. And it goes right through to Miles Teller and Bradley Cooper and the fans that you see, like, we're just tougher than you. Like, bring it. And you know, you see these coaches and McVay is obviously, you know, you saw him in Whitworth in the gym. Like, he's no salty, but he's like.

[Pat McAfee]

It'S just not good football.

[Peter Schrager]

It's gross. Like it's a rugby play.

[Tone]

I don't know.

[Peter Schrager]

That's not what we want to encourage. But, but it's now split and as far as whether it get changed, I don't think the NFL on this one has a strong point of view. It's going to be, how hard do these people want to lobby to get the eight votes? And then it becomes like any election where like, are you going to go campaign? Like, it's McVeigh going to spend main the next April and may like calling other coaches who are neutral and being like, I really think, I don't know if he's that passionate about it.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so let's roll through the rules. That did pass here quickly. Kickoff will now go to the 35 after a touchback, which is good. Kickers also are allowed to bring their own balls into the games, which is awesome. Look for punters to hit massive balls. Like, this is going to benefit the punters greatly and obviously kickers as well. But every time a punter goes on the field, if he's going to have a broken in ball, there's a chance we see some like 5, 8, 59 hang time, maybe even like a 6, 0 hang time.

[Darius Butler]

You guys are putting brand new balls before.

[Pat McAfee]

No. So it wasn't brand new balls. It was like 30 minutes of broken in before the game. One equipment manager from each team was deemed the person to break in the balls and then an official would come watch. They had A brush, a towel and a squirt water bottle. And they had 30 minutes under supervision to break in the balls. Highly anxiety riddled for the equipment managers who have a lot of other shit to deal with right before the game. And then our guy would come out, his name was Frog. He'd be dripping in sweat. He'd be like, I got some good ones for you guys today. We say, thank you, Frog. And then Frog would have a great Christmas, you know, because that is a. That is a big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We take care of Frog, obviously. Frog. Good man. Good lad. Also worked his ass off in there for 30 minutes every single week. There's some teams that have shitty ones. Back in the day, it was brand new balls. So there's always been a lot of cable conversation. Now they're going to be able to bring their own balls to the games, look for punters to hit gigantic balls.

[Peter Schrager]

You know who's big on, like an advocate for special teams is Darren Rizzi, and he's got a big voice in the competition committee. So Rizzy, of course, the Riz was obviously the interim coach of the Saints, but was instrumental in changing the dynamic kickoff. But when you talk about the competition committee and the different voices who matter, obviously, like, you know, Tomlin's been there forever and there's voices like McVay, who's big on that, and McDermott, but like a voice like Darren Rizzi, who's been doing the special team stuff, who's now the Bronco special teams coordinator. He's almost a voice of like, hey, here's what the punters and kickers need. And it's kind of cool to have that voice also, you know, vocalizing in those rooms.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't want to say that Coach Riz is the one texting me, but I'll just say my source. That used to be an interim head coach and is now special teams Senate text. We fucking did it. It passed. Touchback 35. That was the Texas fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's like jacked though. Like, they're like all jacked about it. So obviously you would love this crew.

[Peter Schrager]

Of like the Parcells guys. And it's like Joe Vitt and Sean Payton and Riz, like, and they're just like the last bastion of like the old school. Like, this is how it should be. And Darren Rizzi is definitely carrying that torch. We the special team side.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so new ball touchbacks go to 35. We kind of expected that. Hopefully that'll be good for the landing zone and more returns they also were able to add another returner into the back into the middle area, which is good replay assist. Let's talk about this, Shrigs. This was kind of happening last year at the end of the year, I think without us kind of knowing it, they were kind of growing it, expanding it, and I think it was good for the game. They saw the same thing. What does this mean, you think from your eyes and what does the future mean in your eyes with this rule change, Shrigs?

[Peter Schrager]

Well, I think Kevin's on it here and some context on this. They're not going to have New York throw a flag like New York. Can't say actually that was pass interference or actually that was defensive holding. New York can't do that. But if a flag is thrown and it's egregious, New York City can come and pipe into the referees and be like, pick that flag up. Like that's, that, that's, that's not going to, that's not the call. So that's a change. It's progress. I don't think we're ever going to go back and do it. Where we did the pass interference reviews, which we had a couple of years, which is a nightmare and would take 15 minutes and stop a game and then the refs would always side with their original call anyway. But this is one where there can be a impartial party up in New York saying, hey, actually that one wasn't. You can pick up the flag but they cannot demand a flag be thrown after the fact.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think that's a smart move. And as long as they're quick and efficient in the right people are looking at the Xbox or whatever they're running it with and sending it down there to your point is good. The overtime stuff, I think that pass, they're going to have the same as you get a chance to answer. But it is in a 10 minute period as opposed to in playoffs. It's never ending until somebody wins the game. And I think they'll consider it a successful league meeting down there. Way to go, boys. All right, go ahead real quick.

[Peter Schrager]

That, that, that Glazer video that you showed. So that's like Jay's like, that's Jay's Christmas. Like that this is his. And that is, that is like 20 years in the making. And it started with like him and Tomlin getting drinks and then it expanded and it's, it's the thing that like it's the, it's the Tuesday after the coaches in the NFC have their breakfast. So everyone's kind of done. And Jay gets all the head coaches together. And having been at that table with him, Jay was cool enough to invite me several times at these league meetings. It's hilarious. And they're not talking about free agents. I'm sure they're getting bombed right now because for the last 48 hours, listening to presentations and dark lighting and dealing with their kids and their wives who are all there, and this is like their one time away. So Brian Dabel's got his legs crossed. The cigar will be coming out shortly. And Andy Reid is hanging. He's not a drinker, but he'll hang and have a good time, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the Mormon will toss down a Diet Coke. Congrats to the boys. Congrats to the boys. You earned it out there. All right, Shregs, we got some questions about other stuff that we know that you will know the answer to. Obviously, one of the greatest mock drafters in the history of mock drafts. D. BU Has a question for you, pal.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely. On that mock drafting note, Hasm has basically come out and said, look, look. Took a big swing in the miss on desean. That allows on me take full accountability. But now sitting there at number two, the tea leaves are kind of saying momentum is going towards Abdul Carter going and pairing up with Miles Garrett in Cleveland. What's your thoughts and feelings on what Cleveland's going to do with that number two pick? As it stands right now, well, they're not there yet.

[Peter Schrager]

Here's the key thing. I think everyone doing the mock drafts, and I respect it. I like to wait until about two weeks beforehand when the pro days are done. You know, Shador Sanders hasn't had his pro day yet. It's this week. It's April 4th, and he hasn't had any private workouts with teams. So you're talking about. About if this guy's gonna be my second overall pick. He didn't throw at the combine. We might have met with him for 15 minutes, but I gotta get my hands on him. I gotta, A, see him at his pro day, and then, B, I've got to bring him into our building and see how he interacts and how it goes. You look at Cleveland's quarterback situation, finally they're ripping the band aid off. They're gonna pay. Desean Watson. He's gonna get paid. But Kenny Pickett's the quarterback for now. There's a lot of smoke around them making a play for Cousins. Raheem Morris doubled down this morning saying, you know, we're happy with Cousins being a Backup, keep an eye on that. But I wouldn't open any doors and say that, hey, just because they're done with Watson, this means it's Shador Sanders. You're right, Deba, that it sounds like Abdul Carter. You put him and Miles Garrett together, you have Kenny Pickett. And if Kirk Cousins comes to be, great. But there's also some other quarterbacks that they can look at later on and that might be Tyler Schuck, that might be Jackson Dart, Quinn Ewers. No one feels like they are so desperate right now to get Shador Sanders, but if he blows them away, that's an option they can do. They leave the door open. They can do so.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Will Howard is well shregged as you're doing guy to back home.

[Peter Schrager]

I was going to say to you, I got to tell you, when you guys were at Ohio State, I forget it was probably before the playoff game. It was freezing cold. You guys were just there and I was working for NFL Network and Fox and it was like a loosey goosey day you guys had on there. And my wife and I are watching and I'm like, I really appreciate these guys. I got to join this crowd. You guys were. It was the day you were messing with Zaire Franklin. And I'm like, oh, I like it as well. Good. But I'm like, the fact that you have this ability to go with your boys a day before a college football playoff game, sit in the cold, laugh your asses off. It's great content. And I so appreciate even being on the show now because I wasn't able to this past season. The sky's the limits now. And you guys do such a great job.

[Pat McAfee]

Strange. We're lucky to have you back. It's not always, you know, Lucy goes. She's not always good, you know, is what we have learned. But we're trying to get better every day. Day. We're trying our best to get better, to be an additive to society. But I will say those sideline passes, games are the most absurd things of all time. And that's what we saw. That's where we saw Will. I mean, it was just like we saw. We saw C.J. stroud. And we're not going to act like we were the only people that saw it. But at that time, CJ Stroud was not being talked about as being the guy. Like, this is not through that pass.

[Peter Schrager]

Against Georgia, 80 yards. And everyone's like, wait a second.

[Pat McAfee]

No, not even that. He jogged out in warmups when we were there. And it's like, this dude's big. Very, very big. And it's. I think it's the moxie is. What I want to see is, like, how the teammates feel about him, because the teammates always know, like, hey, is this a good teammate or not? The teammates will tell you whether or not this is a guy. And with Will Howard, it was like, after that Michigan loss, with how much money's being paid to that roster, which how many. With how many expectations there were on this particular team. Jeremiah Smith is, you know, best player in football. There could have been a lot of people that turned on this guy, Will, especially with what happened at the end of the Oregon game earlier in the year. Whenever, you know, he ran and the clock ran out, and everybody's like, this is the dumbest guy of all time. A lot of those teammates could have said, it's this guy's fault that we're losing this season and this might be our final season, or we're going all in. And instead, he had a relationship with all of his teammates. He had handshakes with all of his teammates. It was like they loved him. And then what we watch him do, I mean, that was, what, negative 10 degrees or whatever it was in that particular time there, what we watched him do up close and personal, those two balls, we're literally standing right there. It's like, this guy's a baller. I think he's crazy, isn't it?

[Peter Schrager]

So, like, you have the experience with game day, and then, of course, when you guys are doing those simulcasts, you get to be there. But for years, I was a sideline reporter, and what you see on the sidelines is I get two hits a game, and I'm like, this guy's ankles hurt. And this coach yelled at this player. But what you don't get is that I'm there three hours before kickoff talking to the coaches. I'm there three hours before kickoff watching how the quarterback interacts. And for these draft pundits, a lot of them see stats, they see combine, but the coaches don't look at it necessarily that way. The coaches say, oh, well, I actually have a scout who was at the game when Oregon State played against, you know, Stanford two years ago. And this guy in pregame did, like, that's why it's the total package. You can't just do evaluations based on film. And by combine, there's all the intangible stuff. And I think you guys being on site, as I like to call it, like to touch the grass a little bit, get in there See it, you can kind of navigate. And you'll know, you'll know which guys are the goobers too. Like, you can see that also, like, oh, that guy stinks. Like, I don't want that guy on my team. And the teams know that as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I had a chance to do that Thursday Night Football remy operation with ESPN four or five years ago. Six or whatever it was six years ago. Maybe seven.

[Ty Schmidt]

29, 20, 19.

[Pat McAfee]

29 years. So six years ago, Molly McGrath was the sideline reporter, you know, and sideline reporters, like, to your point, only see him like two, three times a game. You hear them drop in and everything. But the amount of like info that she was sending up to the booth, like at all times, it was like, oh, the sideline reporters are like, they're your eyes. Like, they are literally the eyes down on the sideline. Like, hey, just a heads up, blah, blah, blah, just happening. It's like all of a sudden that becomes like, ah, need a camera on this, need to do this. It's like. And you're really in it.

[Darius Butler]

Like you're, you're in the middle, coaches talking to you. Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Coach Fry.

[Peter Schrager]

I did a, I did a Bills Dolphins game a couple, couple years ago. Saturday night game. It was cold. Josh Allen came back and like beat Tua. But I got like a snowball thrown at me in Buffalo. And like, then like, everyone was like looking at me. I'm like, let's go, go. I'm on the field. Let's roll. Let's go.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's do it.

[Peter Schrager]

And it's like, you're feeling it. You're actually in the action. And to that Buffalo fan who threw a snowball at me, I'm on ESPN now. Okay, so why don't you throw?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, great throw. Great throw. You had to be pretty far away to hit me. I was. On a Saturday. But with that being said, I'm an Emmy award winning host. Hell yeah. Emmy award winner, brother. And hopefully there's more where that came from. All right, we got some more questions, obviously about everything happening, happening around the NFL world. Con man's got one for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, straight. Jed York came out and basically said, hey, mid season 2024, we all decided, you know, we're going to give Brock Purdy a few more shekels after underpaying him for so long, and now it feels like his contract is looming before the start of next year. Are you hearing anything as far as numbers go? Do you think he'll be 50 plus, million year or million dollars per year? Guy or do you think he might be in the the 40s range so that San Fran can continue to build around him and have one of the best rosters in football?

[Peter Schrager]

It's really interesting because the gravy train was going there for a while and they, against maybe better judgment in their hearts were like, all right, we'll pay Deebo this number. We'll pay Brandon Ayut this number. We're all in. And this is the year we're going to be all in. The window is now. And we got Brock on this rookie quarterback, seventh round pick salary. And then it all came undone. You know, so someone in the league made a comparison to what's going on in the US government right now. And it's like, all right, we got to just stop the bleeding and we're going to analyze everything. And I'm like, no, no, don't go there yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, they're AI and they're taking over dojo. Got it, got it, got it. Okay, got it.

[Peter Schrager]

Did Purdy miss the boat on when the Niners were wheeling and dealing or are they saving all of their money, or shekels as you call it, to give it to him? I don't see Brock Purdy making north of $55 million. I don't see Brock Purdy being one of the top highest paid quarterbacks. It's going to be a discussion with his agent, him, and what does he want? What does he need? And you never want to take a hometown discount. But you also realize that, you know, your brock purdy is 50 million. The right number is 48, not the right number. Is 45 the right number? Can 40 be the right number? So curious to see where it goes out here, but obviously they want to sign Brock Purdy. That's been John Lynch's stands forever. Kyle Strong and his agent met with the team at the combine. Like, these are open conversations, but I don't think this is the Justin Herbert deal or the Trevor Lawrence deal or it's. Well, every other young quarterback got paid. We got to pay him. The Niners, it's almost like the buck stops here. Let's be fiscally smart right now because we might have made some errors in the past.

[Pat McAfee]

I know you want 55, but quick question. 55, not bad. 48, same right? Basically. How about 44 then 44 and 48, basically same. We get you right there. 40. Think about what we can do. Okay. With that extra 15. The way you wield and dealed and negotiated right there is exactly the sound a team would have for a player for Brock Purdy. It is an interesting situation because as Connor would say the shekels have been pretty low, you know, because he was the last pick of the draft. So he has had a very low NFL contract. And you know, you want to talk about dungeons in the government, San Francisco's government takes a good amount of said as Connor would say, shekels out of the contract to, you know, give back to the city and to the state and to the country. Right. That's where it all goes. And then you know, that has been a pretty big amount. So if you go from making the least possible basically for a guy, literally.

[Peter Schrager]

The least possible that you could as.

[Pat McAfee]

A draft pick, the least possible as a starting quarterback by far. But just as a player that is drafted as. So would a 45 million dollar a year be welcomed? Because it was like I was just making 900,000 bucks last year. So like is that the sell? Yeah. Every ex player and every NFLPA representative and every agent is like Brock, don't you even think about something that is what they're going to be saying.

[Darius Butler]

He's, he's in a bad position leverage wise, not because of his draft position but because they still own his rights for what, the next three years. If they want to, if they want to play hard.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

If they want to franchise, franchise a couple times and still wait another year to pay him. So he is in a bad situation there. But you don't take less than 50, you know, you. He deserves, you know, especially with the salary cap going up. At least what Trevor Lawrence is getting. Jordan Love, what has he proved in comparison to what Brock Purdy has done in the league so far. So I think Brock, you know, he deserves around that 55 at least. Josh Allen, not, not breaking that 55 mark, not getting up the deck. I think that kind of suppressed the market a little bit for the quarterback. Salary cap jumping up though. Brock Purdy deserves 55 but we'll see how it plays out with the leverage that Niners have.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck Purdy. Good luck Purdy. And good luck to the Niners. I mean I saw lynch hanging over a lighter for a cigar down there with Jay Glazer.

[Ty Schmidt]

Was it a cigar?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey. Smoking weed? I don't know.

[Ty Schmidt]

I've seen, I look around, that's circle. I see a couple Sigs guys in got medical.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're seeing some Sigs.

[Tone]

Braves was there.

[Pat McAfee]

People were packing Sigs down there at the meeting.

[Ty Schmidt]

Braves was in that circle. But you know, I saw Liam Con and I know One when I see one and I know he's in the cigarette.

[Pat McAfee]

At what time you think frames is double cigarettes, two cigs, 3:30, four patches.

[Boston Connor]

3:30.

[Pat McAfee]

It's 12:37 Eastern right now.

[Ty Schmidt]

Probably an hour ago.

[Boston Connor]

Started an hour ago.

[Pat McAfee]

You're right. I guess there was a good brunch.

[Ty Schmidt]

Probably when someone came up and was like, we need you to ban the tush push, Mike. And he was like, all right, I'm sick of this.

[Pat McAfee]

What did he say? Actually, we're not gonna let Lamar Jackson Ron anymore.

[Ty Schmidt]

But just, just because nobody can stop it, we're gonna just stop. Start banning stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

No, think about the conversation in. In that room about the tush push from the meathead football guys. Bravo. For instance, who might have had cigarettes in his mouth. Might have. Good. Not just unlit cigs, both of them lit. You know, there's a chance. Chance at a cigar in the middle. There's a chance he's three piece in that.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Triple stack.

[Pat McAfee]

And they say we're not playing football anymore. And then you. Somebody on the other side, you've got.

[Peter Schrager]

Mike McDaniel and sunglasses and a Gucci belt. Being like, we are talking football.

[Pat McAfee]

God.

[Peter Schrager]

Actually, if you think about it.

[Pat McAfee]

I.

[Boston Connor]

Assume that's what that is afterwards that, you know, Glade is setting up. They're going to have. He's going to get everyone and get three drinks in them. And then he's going to be like, all right, boys, 16 on 16. Non tush push. Tush push. You guys are going to beat the out of each other. And whoever wins, that's. That's what we're going to vote on.

[Peter Schrager]

The knowing Glazer, he's like, I got Guy Fieri here.

[Pat McAfee]

Stallone is here.

[Peter Schrager]

We got Kurt, Kurt Angle and we got, you know, with Chuck L. They're all going to come along in a vote too.

[Pat McAfee]

Jay, these are all compliments because this could be real. Like what we are saying right now could be real. Real also in my algo more than I would. You know, every once in a while I gotta have a nice chat with the algo. You got to go to the search bar and like, be like, hey, don't do it. No, you got. You got to have a good conversation with your algorithm. Yeah, those group MMA fights have been showing up a little bit more. So what? Have you seen this?

[Darius Butler]

I have not.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, it's great.

[Darius Butler]

In a cage.

[Pat McAfee]

Engaged. Yeah, they're in a cage. And then once. It's now six on five. Yeah. And then four on one. Yeah. You see Some of these. You see some of these.

[Darius Butler]

What. What country?

[Pat McAfee]

I'd assume it's Russia.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, not here.

[Pat McAfee]

Eastern. Yeah, Eastern block. Yeah. It's insane. Have you seen the one where they're actual, like, using a weapon? Swords?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, the ones with, like, old.

[Pat McAfee]

They're like. Yeah, yeah. Look that one up, too.

[Ty Schmidt]

The whole thing, armor.

[Pat McAfee]

They're not speaking our language. And I'm not sure we would be welcomed at the event, but it does seem like something that would be electrifying. And maybe Jay is setting it up tonight. 16 on 16. Put the cage up around the pool. Maybe it is just one big pool basketball game. Dan Quinn with that backwards basketball McD. MCDC nerd. You know, I mean, there's strap at Mike McDaniel. All right, let's get back. None of this is going to happen. Maybe should, you know, none of Zach Taylor from deep.

[Peter Schrager]

Just money.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, sorry. Zack Taylor sitting on the side of the pool. Yeah. Getting a pass. Gotta make that. You missed your one opportunity there. You're getting done.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Andy Reid down low. Getting bored.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Boston Connor]

With a T shirt on in the pool.

[Tone]

His T shirt just says Big Walrus.

[Pat McAfee]

Walrus, walrus.

[Darius Butler]

Kick it, kick it.

[Pat McAfee]

So many opportunities. Hey, Jay, make it happen. Down, Glazer. You either do it or you hate football. Glaze. Hope they're having a good time. Tone has a question for you. Shregs.

[Tone]

Yeah, Shregs. You got. You brought up Kirk Cousins maybe tied to the Browns. You know he has a pass with Stefanski. You said Rahim Morris kind of put. Put some chillers on that. But Arthur Blank said that he sat down with Kirk for an hour and took five pages of notes, handed those off the football. People said, you do with those notes what you will. But Bre said blanket definitely did not close the door on a trade.

[Pat McAfee]

If it's. If it.

[Tone]

Do you think it might be the Browns? And if it's not the Browns, and let's say Aaron doesn't sign with the Steelers. Do you think Kirk Cousins has a chance to play with the Steelers, or do you think the Browns is potentially the only place that Kirk could go right now and be a starter? Potentially.

[Peter Schrager]

Look, the Browns thing makes a lot of sense for two big reasons. One, there's a gaping hole at quarterback. I mean, Pickett could hold the fort, but he's not your only option. And then two, Stefanski and Cousins have a really good personal relationship. I don't know why Kirk Cousins was at a Chipotle in Ohio over the. Over the weekend, but he Was that was confusing to me. But that also leads you to think wait, what's going on here? Truth of the matter is Penix is the future in Atlanta. They're paying Cousins a boatload. Can they figure something out contract wise and is it really logical to think that Kirk Cousins who signed on to the Atlanta Falcons to be the starter of the Atlanta Falcons is thrilled to be the backup next year and to be grooming Michael Penix for a team that didn't even make the playoffs this season at least in Cleveland, he goes to a quarterback's coach in a whisper that he's had. He's got a relationship, a fan base that would be thrilled to have him and he's an upgrade and he's the quarterback one. It makes sense of course the timing. They'd have to wait to be able to do this. But Miles Garrett, which Pat I was very vocal about on my last home how we wasted an entire super bowl week listening to Miles Garrett talk about wanting to play for a Super bowl champion and go on radio row and speak to anybody with a microphone and how all he wanted wants to do is is raise a lombardi and then two weeks later get 40 million and son and say I want to be in Cleveland. Actually did say that he knows of a plan at quarterback and he's comfortable with that plan. I can't imagine it's with a rookie quarterback or it's I'm thrilled to go to war with Kenny Pickett.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Pickett, super bowl champion. Last guy touched ball in the Super Bowl.

[Darius Butler]

I think Miles would be. I don't want to speak speak for Miles, but I think Shador Sanders or Kirk Cousins. Which one would you be more comfortable with?

[Pat McAfee]

I think if I'm not Super ball.

[Peter Schrager]

I don't know if either one's the answer right away.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, no, he. He decided though 40 million was enough to sway his thoughts.

[Darius Butler]

He's there for another what?

[Pat McAfee]

Four.

[Darius Butler]

Four years.

[Pat McAfee]

Three.

[Darius Butler]

Four years. I mean top of the draft.

[Pat McAfee]

Kirk and Carter though too.

[Darius Butler]

Kirk on the other side we watch Kirk does is play football. Did we all. I know, I know he's coming back.

[Pat McAfee]

Getting tripled Abdul Carter on the other side as well.

[Ty Schmidt]

D by look I'm with you 170 last picking out what you're putting down.

[Darius Butler]

We watched it. Kirk was hot because he was hot coming in. You know, coming off the Achilles.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you this.

[Peter Schrager]

Are they paying against the Raiders and I think it was Desmond Ritter under center for was the worst performance I'd ever seen from a quarterback in a game. And I said that that guy looks like a shell of what he once was. And it came out afterwards. The shoulder was all busted up. He was hu.

[Ty Schmidt]

How much money do they spend on quarterbacks if they trade for Kirk Cousins and are paying Deshaun Watson?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, that's 37. Right? It's 27 this year, then 10 million guaranteed next year because they did that thing, what, a week ago or whatever and kept them on the roster. So that's an extra 37 million.

[Ty Schmidt]

So Shadir Sanders is the number two overall pick is over.

[Darius Butler]

Sounds like.

[Tone]

Can't the Falcons pay salary in the trade?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, they could definitely pick up some of it. Right. Just like the Broncos did for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So, I mean, I guess that could be a part of the trade, but you would have to give up. What, two.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Darius Butler]

Why would you.

[Pat McAfee]

Or what, like a two picks, not the number two overall?

[Boston Connor]

And doesn't everyone.

[Peter Schrager]

Oh, I think this might be one of those where it's more like Russell and in Seattle and Denver where you're.

[Tone]

It's.

[Peter Schrager]

It's a much more even trade as far as who's getting. I don't think the Falcons have any leg to stand on to demand a bunch of draft picks for Kirk Cousins.

[Pat McAfee]

So Atlanta would have to pay it and they wouldn't get a lot of.

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, I think. I think this is more. Let's cut our losses if they're doing that and let's give Kirk a chance to start somewhere.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so Atlanta pays the bills, then. So then it is.

[Ty Schmidt]

That is possible.

[Pat McAfee]

Then it is a cheaper contract because whenever you say Shador, Kirk, it's like, Shador, you're getting a very cheap. Not very cheap, but you get it. A rookie contract quarterback, which is what the San Francisco 49ers have with Brock Purdy now much different as a number two overall pick as opposed to Mr. Irrelevant. But still, the rookie contract at quarterback is a massive ordeal, especially if you got debts all over the place. Which.

[Peter Schrager]

What do you.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you do?

[Peter Schrager]

I mean, if you're the Browns and you don't love Shador Sanders and you have the number two overall pick and this kid Carter is what you think he is and is a game changer, do you sacrifice having that guy for 10 years to draft a quarterback that might have been the third or fourth quarterback taken in the draft last year, and just because it's the year of the draft that we have the number of two pick, like, it's this constant question of shopping when you're hungry and you don't want to go to the grocery store when you're starving because you end up buying all sorts of stuff that you don't want the number next day. Shador Sanders. If you love him, take him and you think he's the future. That's great. And Miles Garrett might know that he's the guy and they feel great, then that's okay. But if he doesn't blow you away and you're Stefanski and you know quarterbacks, and you're Andrew Barry and you know quarterbacks, and you're like, do you just take them to take them. So you say, we got a quarterback. That's tough.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Don't want to go shop when you starve or stones, you know. But right now, they're in a situation where who. Who?

[Darius Butler]

They've been starving. Stone overload.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, especially now they're more starving and stone than they've ever been. They're paying. They're paying a lot more. How about Haslam coming out and being like, yep, that one's on me, bub. Hand me. Me and D. We. We certainly thought it was the case. It has been an organizational failure from top to bottom. And that starts with us. That's what we all assumed. Why, you know, Andrew Barry and Stefan are still there is because we feel like a decision was made above them that has kind of handicapped them them mightily. If it is Kirk Cousins going up there and they're able to go on a run, you know what? The dog pound. You deserve it. Yeah, you didn't deserve it over there. Last question. Quickly here. Shregs, we can't thank you enough. Go ahead, Ty.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, Shrigs. We heard Ben Johnson, who everyone knows he's a wonderkin. He's the next guy, but he basically came out and said, hey, listen, EPA is more important than turnovers. And although last year, Caleb Williams, I think, had the second lowest EPA for quarterbacks in the NFL. Is this something everyone knew? Is he. Is he like a big statistical guru and like analytics and all that kind of stuff? Because going in, I thought he was just, you know, straight ball X's and O's. And now I'm all of a sudden kind of getting Brandon Staley vibes out of Ben Johnson.

[Pat McAfee]

That's pack fan. Obviously.

[Peter Schrager]

I've gotten to know Ben pretty well, and, you know, I think there's this thought that year. A, he's this like. Like, dorky X's and O's, sit in the bottom of a basement and just draw plays. Like, I'm A mad scientist or there's this other feeling of it, like that he's this, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna shove it in the face of the packers because I'm gonna be that guy. Truth of matter is he's the total package. This is a guy who I think comes in here and values that stuff and might have said those stats. But I promise you, he's not looking at Caleb Williams because of something called EPA and what excites him. He's looking at Caleb Williams because he sees. Sees completely untapped potential. An awesome arm, a good kid, and a guy that they think they finally built an offensive line for this season. With Jonah Jackson and Tunney, we can go through it all, but they're like, this gives him a shot. But he had options, as we know. He could have gone anywhere. Yes, the money was good. He also really wanted to work with Caleb Williams. So I don't think it's because of turnover numbers or epa. I think that was him just playing to the wonks a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Love that. Playing to the wonks a little bit up there in Chicago. EPA earned points added is a stat per play. Basically where it's, did you help your team on this play or did you hurt your team?

[Peter Schrager]

Like your plus minus?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's a plus minus for basketball, it's for football. Do you know who is the worst ever Will Levis if you're older?

[Darius Butler]

Wait, what do you mean? Every last season?

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe last season. I don't know. You see these points. I don't know how it can get much worse.

[Ty Schmidt]

Could see it.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm telling you, there's some bad, bad, bad, bad, bad plays in the epa, but who's the one judging? You know, like, that's the whole thing. And then the overall points, you have to play a certain amount of plays because then they just get added onto like, earned point average per play. Some people are like negative 0.17 or 0.14, but if you don't play as many plays, you won't be like negative 69 or negative 90, 94 or whatever it is. You'll just be negative 48. So whatever the case is, this stat seemingly says, do you stay on schedule and do, do you hurt your team or do you help your team? Every single play, it's a new one.

[Peter Schrager]

I'm no, I'm no meathead, Pat, but I think, you know this show is going to be higher rated than the LeBron episode last week, because I'm on it. But I think the ratings Just tanked when you said the word EPA and started going through it. And that's the problem. Viewers don't want to hear it. And, like, we as media are trying to grasp it, but it is valued there in those buildings, and there are teams of analytical people putting these numbers together. I'm just not hip to the stats. To me, it's. I want to see the guys throw, and I want to see how they interact with the teammates.

[Pat McAfee]

What was the other one? There was another one.

[Darius Butler]

Expected cpo. Completion percentage over expectation.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there is. We could set these over because Hembo obviously will send us some stats, and every once in a while, there will just be this fucking stat that is not real dvoa, you know, and it's like, like, all right, I understand April Fools.

[Peter Schrager]

Here's a fake stack.

[Pat McAfee]

Hembo, I appreciate you, but I don't know how that one applies, but smart people do, which you are one of them. And we can't thank you enough for joining us. And congrats on the ESPN deal, brother.

[Peter Schrager]

I'm so excited. Really happy to be here. And one of the primary reasons I sought out ESPN as a home is because of the. The relationship you guys and your team has had with me and the ability to work together. It's really cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Pat Strager, we love you, man. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrader. Shrek's been good to us. Oh, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And he knows.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he. He's. Yeah, he's pl. Like, I talked about coming out of the Emory College. I think it's, like, the most expensive school in, like. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Very hard to get it.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's like. I think it's all bazillionaires.

[Darius Butler]

What's their specialty?

[Pat McAfee]

Bazillion money, I think just networking.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

I think, but probably business.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Tone]

They got 11 acceptance rate, which is low.

[Darius Butler]

Any other people we would know came out of here.

[Pat McAfee]

I learned about it whenever Shregs was on the show. He said, I went to a school in Atlanta. It's like a small school in Atlanta. And you would have thought you would heard of all the schools in Atlanta because it's Atlanta. And then he said, Emery never heard of. We looked it up. It's like, one of the most expensive schools in the history of schools, I think. Not only acceptance rate, but I think also, like, there has to be a massive bank account behind that one as well. So I'd assume the networking pretty good down there. You know, those schools have a lot of these things happening at all times. Just like you know, camps or some of these schools, these private academies or anything like that. That's. But he decided to take the route of like I'm going to the Senior bowl in mobile and I'm sleeping on shitty mattresses and motels to try to meet people. And he met a bunch of low level guys, basically coaches and scouts. And through the years they've all kind of moved up as he has moved up. And it's like Shregs is plugged. That's why his mock draft is always the closest. And he's a good get for espn.

[Boston Connor]

Oh yeah, Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I personally believe that good morning football run he had over there was great. They won an Emmy. Obviously they did their thing. I'm pumped. He's with espn. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen is a man from MLB Network from Pittsburgh, one of the greatest yinzers of all time. Ladies and gentlemen, the host of the mayor's office office, Sean Casey. Yeah, what's up fellas? Mayor, it is great to see you. We have a heart out in five minutes, which is unfair for the way that you operate. But we are appreciative of you being able to join us on such quick notice. You former hitting coach for the Yankees, a guy who was able to get good wood on a ball, whatever, you know, that is what your baseball resume would say about how you played. These torpedo bats are taking the world by storm. Obviously that's Jazz Chisholm. He has done a fantastic job with these. The Yankees have hit a bunch of bombs. I believe it was Ellie De La Cruz last night has four hits, two bombs in his first night using this torpedo bat. So couple quick questions. How come this hasn't always been the bat of choice? Why haven't we always had it and is this thing going to get banned or promoted in the mlb, do you think?

[H]

Well, it's definitely going to get promoted. I mean it's, it goes through all the specs. It's, it's totally legal. I think the biggest thing they did here because they have there's a bat performance lab that Marucci Invictus bats have down in Baton Rouge and I think a lot of the players go have been going there for years. And if you go back to Paul Goldschmidt in 2022 on the bottom of his bat like he had a bat like this and at the bottom of his bat was like a puck shape and everyone's like, oh man, what's going on? Goldsmith's bat. And what they found is when he was swinging he liked a little More weight at the bottom. It felt better, you know, going through the zone with the metrics. Well, what they found with the torpedo bat is all they did was for a guy like Anthony Volpe. So the sweet part of the bat is like right here, right the barrel. What they did was a lot. What they found was Volpe hits a lot of his contact more towards the label.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[H]

More down here towards the label. So what they did was they took the barrel and they moved it down a little bit more and made this end part thinner. That's why it starts to look like a torpedo bat. So but, so what they're saying is, okay, if he hits it on the barrel and when he misses, he misses more towards the label or he's hitting it towards the label more. Why are we not putting the, that sweet spot of the bat, the density of the bat, why aren't we moving it down on the bat? That's all they're doing. Then they have to figure out how to weigh it just right too. Because at the end of the day, like for me, I like the 34 inch, 32 ounce bat. Like if I was going to move those metrics, I wanted to make sure it still felt good in my hand. So these are totally legal, Pat. And at the end of the day too, you know the old saying, you know, it's, it's the Indian, not the arrow. As far as like at the end, if the Yankees went out and weren't good, they'd be like, oh, these torpedo bats have to go. But the fact that they came out and hit so many pumps out the gate, you know, next thing you know was like, what's up with these torpedoes? So you still got to have guys like Aaron Judge and Jazz Chisholm and Anthony Volpe and Austin Wells swinging the bat for them to be good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Aaron Judge not using it, but I assume there comes a time in the playoffs it gets cold again. Maybe he picks up a torpedo and tries to, you know, put the hat on inside out. A little bit of a rally. I have a maroochy bat here as well. Will all bat companies be able to do this, this and will it be specific for the batter? For instance, I watched Pete Rose, I think on Fox with I think Alex Rodriguez was there and Frank Thomas. Yeah, maybe Ortiz. Yes, some, I forget who was there, but they asked him about like if he was having an off day and he was like, well, if I was fast on the ball, I would just move up in a batter's box if I was getting jammed, I'd move back in a batter's box. If I was slow, I'd move to the back end of it. So with you saying like, hey, this guy, whenever he gets jammed is up here, so they just move the density there, they'll be doing that for everybody then, basically. Is that kind of the next step of this? And how many companies can actually do this? Everybody.

[H]

I think any company could do it. Like I said, Maruchi Invictus have that bat performance lab in Baton Rouge where they fly guys in in the off season. And they say, hey, listen, you're swinging the bat for whatever reason, however, your bat comes through the zone, you're hitting 6, 65% of the ball is towards the label. Let's make a bat for you that moves that barrel down there to optimize when you hit the ball. So for a guy that hits the ball on a standard bat, on the barrel a lot, which like Aaron Judge, a lot of guys, most guys do, they're not necessarily going to need the torpedo bat. But at the end of the day, if you're moving the barrel down on that bat, what you're doing is you're exposing the end. A lot of guys don't hit the ball off the end. So you're giving yourself a sweeter, you know, more. More barrel to hit the ball on. So I just think some guy, It'll be good for some guys. And I've also heard there's been eight, eight or so teams that have ordered these torpedo bats going into even last year. Some guys don't like them. Some guys are hitting with them like, I don't like this. And some guys like them. So, you know, at the end of the day, it's a preference. It's almost like really quick pat. It's almost like golf clubs. For golf clubs, you go. You go to get fitted for golf clubs, right? They're like, oh, hey, use this driver. You're better with a stiffer shaft. You're better with this. And all of a sudden you're like, okay, that makes sense for me. That's what's starting to happening with bats in the big leagues, where they're like, okay, why are we all swinging the same bats that we've swung for so long? Let's try and get an advantage and figure out how we can make a bat that fits your needs better.

[Pat McAfee]

You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, that's the mayor. Thank you for the hitting clinic. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Casey. Thank you, Sean. We'll be back in 2 minutes and 40 seconds. TaxAct knows you probably don't need help.

[Boston Connor]

Filing taxes, but if you get stuck.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Pat McAfee]

Responsible gambling tools to help you manage your bankroll and make informed decisions. What are you waiting for? Go to edgeboost Bet. That's edgeboost Bet. Sports are happening all around us and we're incredibly lucky that we get to talk about at the toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Tai Schmidt. Sounds like people are going to be moving forward with these Torpedo bats. It's all going to be a preference thing, but I think the Torpedo bat era is about to begin in a big way. Tashman.

[Boston Connor]

I hope so because it's a lot more fun even if you're not just watching one of your teams like you're going to watch highlights of any of these games. And like last night, you know, it's just like Ellie De La Cruz is a stud. But if we can have more guys just on these days of the week where there's nothing really else to talk about other than baseball games and we're getting guys hitting two homers and having four hits and having seven RBIs, like that's good for the game as a whole. I hope this whole thing doesn't kind of just slow to a stop in the Torpedo bats in like a couple weeks or in a month. Like once we get later into the season, it kind of just Becomes like a non starter. And guys aren't doing this because it was kind of like what we talked about with Spider Attack a couple years ago.

[Tone]

We're all.

[Boston Connor]

Which they got. They got rid of it, but it.

[Pat McAfee]

Was bring it back y bring back spider tech. Let the Spider, spidertack come back and let them do their best against the batter's absolute best bat. I mean, the fact that these are legal bats and they're just now specifying. And the mayor, whenever he was chit chatting at the end of the hour and then through the end of the hour into the break a little bit, he was talking about how, you know, Marucci, the Paisans down there, the bat makers, they basically have you fly in, they have you hit some and it's like, hey, here's where you hit the ball more often than not. Let's move the density of the bat to there to kind of at least help you get a little bit better wood every once in a while. Helps your mist be better. Just like with golf clubs with the wedges where they align them where they put weight at. Hey, you seemingly do this. Let's put a little weight on the tip or on the toe that might be able to bring it back. It's like I just assumed they'd been doing this forever, but I guess the only difference between everybody was just the weight and thickness of it. This is the next level. This is technology kind of making a sport better. And I think they should let the pitchers have spider attack, let these baseball batters have their best bats and let's go have them go at it and even bring those juice balls back.

[Boston Connor]

That's what I kind of figured that pitchers would start bitching about this because from I would assume from their perspective, like it is kind of unfair, like what you're trying to do when you're pitch, like you're trying to miss barrels. So it's like if these guys are moving the bat around and it's like, hey, I'm trying to jack jam this guy. But now the barrel is essentially like up near. More near the handle. It's like you're trying to do what like you're setting out to do, but somehow it's like this. They've moved the bat around so this guy is still hitting it right on the sweet spot. So that's why I think pitchers would be like, well, you know, now we have a massive disadvantage. Like they said, we had a huge advantage with the spider tack because all these guys could throw nasty breaking stuff. And like the spin rates Were ridiculous. Like, like. So I think they should kind of bring that back to even it out a little bit because that, that's going to be their biggest point of contention. It's like I'm jamming this guy and he's still hitting a three run homer. That's.

[Pat McAfee]

You bring back the juice balls and because you have the juice balls, they're a little bit more slick. So you got to give the pirate or the pitchers their spider tech. Okay. So now we don't have to do any more of the stupid checks either. Okay. They got their spider tax.

[Boston Connor]

Good on good.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't have to look amateur doing the whole. Okay, let me see your hands. Hat.

[Boston Connor]

Pull your pants down.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the whole thing.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Where you hiding? You hiding it behind your knee? Where? Show us where's it? Take your shoes off. You know what you're doing down there in your ankle. That's a weird thing to happen. And it started happening because there's too much spider attack. Give them spider tech, give the juice ball, let the torpedo bats happen and let's have some baseball. Darius Butler.

[Darius Butler]

I, I love it. And, and for it, it just makes too much sense. So I feel like somehow, some way MLB will mess it up. They'll mess. It makes too much sense for baseball because. Because we will, we will. More of us will watch casually, especially this time of year. This is what we need. And I'm looking at these Dela Cruz highlights and I'm pissed off. It's not enough. It's not enough asses in the seats for a superstar, a stud like that, doing the shit that he does.

[Ty Schmidt]

Chilly on Monday night.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, you gotta get out there and watch this guy play. I know opening day is a big thing out for the Reds, right? Yeah, a bunch of teams, but especially for them. Like, come on, look at those seats, man.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a lot of games. You know, they're not going to be able to sell it everywhere. Unless you're in one of those markets that has millions of humans living there and the team is historic. It's like Pittsburgh, the pnc. That place is beautiful. It is gorgeous. But if that thing's getting 30% capacity, 40% capacity, that's a huge middle of the week potential.

[Tone]

You were here last night.

[Pat McAfee]

Skins will fill up. Okay, but there's, there's 140 other games.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Tone]

Did you go outside last night here?

[Darius Butler]

No.

[Tone]

No, cuz it was 40 and rain. Cincy's right down the road.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, if I got a chance to watch him play ball, he may get Me to the ball.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Or you may pick tomorrow.

[Pat McAfee]

Joining us now. La. What's that mean?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's like, well if it's going to be 4ra tonight, you know what, there are 161 more of these things. So maybe we'll go tomorrow and, and maybe the something will be on, will be nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Easy come, easy go. Let's go to a Cincinnati Reds fan. He wasn't there. I didn't see him there to watch the show. Ladies and gentlemen, college football national champion, super bowl champion, Ryder cup winner, A.J. hawk. A lot of people dress like seats at the Reds game, am I right?

[AJ Hawk]

Hey, I give credit to the people that actually went to that game. I, I went back and sat outside at a lacrosse game, my daughter's lacrosse, and it was full blown winter conditions like blowing 40 miles an hour, 40 degrees. It was bright, brutal.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Which does make it difficult to hit. And we've talked more about baseball, I think than we've ever done in the past. I'm genuinely interested. I am. Especially with this torpedo bat thing. Like if they're able to make this big of an innovation to make the game much better while still being within the rules, you know, because everything else they've had to like kind of critique the rules. Stealing signs always been legal. Hitting trash cans too far. Yeah, can't do that. Can't then like steroids. Okay. We're not really testing, but can't do that. And then all of a sudden everybody is on it and everybody's awesome and baseball is more popular than it's ever been. And it's like, well, now we're going to test for everything. It's like there's always unwritten rules in baseball and then something happens and then they have to kind of fix it. In this one, not even unwritten rule, they're like, nah, this is within the rule book. They're doing it. All right. And to debunk point, we automatically assume that baseball want to make their sport worse. You know, we automatically assume that they'll be like, this all makes too much sense. They're going to try to ban this. So it seems like it's being welcomed. More teams are wanting them. And if we get those juice balls and a spider tack back with Shohei Ohtani in the, in the business, Juan Soto going over to the Mets, making the amount of money he has, obviously a once in a generation guy like Paul Skeens, it's like, is baseball kind of is baseball interesting? Can we, are we going to pay attention? I think so.

[AJ Hawk]

I think so yeah, I think, I think this has legs. I think it has legs. But I want to know how much power the pitchers have when it comes to baseball because I would imagine every pitcher. I don't know, I shouldn't say every pitcher. But don't you think the majority of them are thinking, hey, you guys are messing with the girth on these bats. You can't do this. These guys are hitting two or three homers every game.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And you know, just like how defense is kind of treated in the NFL, which goes great. The one rule change I was being pitched to potentially assist defenders. That thing is not getting passed. Yeah, that thing was not getting passed. So we don't know if it's the same way in baseball with pitchers, but the new rules did pass and there's nothing that is making defense easier or better. But we do know that there has been some changes made. Replay assists going to be better for all parties, we assume.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially as the people that are doing that are getting younger and more used to what they're looking at and back better with the technology and quicker and able to kind of assist, which we saw happen last year a lot where a flag would be thrown, then a ref would get a message almost immediately and be like, oh no, we're picking it up, we're moving along after a replay assist or further assist or whatever they would say, love that. Touchbacks At 35, we're going to get more returns. Okay. People aren't going to want to give that up. Love that Regular season overtime rules being the same as the playoff overtime rules as opposed to being going in forever. It does have a 10 minute limit and then the tush push has been Tosh pushed back to May for their next date in gathering. What are your thoughts on it all, A.J. what's your big takeaway from what has been voted by the competition committee down in beautiful Florida?

[AJ Hawk]

I think this is a little bit of what we expected. Obviously the defensive holding and illegal contact. I did not expect that to get through on this one. I thought the moving, the kickoff touch back to the 35. I thought it was maybe 50, 50 chance. Just because I feel like hasn't the NFL promoted as a big success like the new weird looking kickoff to where we have what, 1800 more plays or whatever they call it and we have a lot less concussions, however you test that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I think the NFL was very pumped with it. And I think at the end of the season is really when they were flexing, you know, they're like, this is exactly what we wanted. We wanted it to be a dynamic play being added back in. And Turpin obviously goes bananas. I think he signed a deal, too. Congrats to him. Obviously, he comes from the XFL and then he has a big moment like that with a new return. I think they're even trying to make it easier for returns. I think it's like 6, 3, 2 now, as opposed to 7, whatever it was in the past. So I think they're adding another person. And I think allegedly Roger Goodell was pushing for it to go to the 35 because I had an opportunity to talk to Commissioner Goodell about the new kickoff rules. I think it was about midway through the season, I think midway through the year, and he was pumped with it. He thought the opportunities were great. And then I immediately go, got to move that to 35 there to kind of scare more people. And his immediate thought and his response was, a lot of people have said that in the special teams world, so kind of an NFL thing to test it, see how it works. Are we going to keep it? Are we going to critique it a little bit, or are we going to get rid of this? They've. We've seen things get tested and then tossed after one season. Now. I think they saw it. They saw the upside of it, especially at the end of the year, last year when there was more returns and they want to create more. I love it. It's good for special teams. It is great for special teams coaches. It's great for special teams players, I'm happy to say. I'm happy to see that. They think they got it right, is what I'm thinking. AJ from watching them kind of adjust this rule. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And it is going to absolutely, you know, force more returns. And we love seeing returns. It's something that people. People, I guess, take for granted. And it's like an afterthought when you're like a casual football fan. But if you're there and you're. You're on the staff or you're on the team, you know absolutely how big of a deal these things are.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. If you take one of the crib, you're probably going to win the game. Yeah. Like that. That is just how it goes. If you get one out to the 50, the offense is jogging on the field. I mean, that's a whole force.

[AJ Hawk]

The fumble. Imagine forcing a fumble. If you're covering the first kickoff of a game and you force a fumble or something. Get that thing, huge, game over.

[Tone]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, you use. Used to be Able to set the tone with the, you know.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, locking arms.

[Pat McAfee]

It. That was. That was.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm a wedge buster.

[Darius Butler]

Kamikaze.

[Pat McAfee]

What is your job? I bust wedges. What are wedges? Well, it's three professional athletes linking their arms together with a returner behind them. And they are running full speed at me. Me, I am running full speed at them.

[Darius Butler]

You got to put a descript on those three athletes, too.

[Pat McAfee]

You're right. Linebackers, defensive linemen, potentially an offensive lineman. Whoa. Could be anywhere from £240 to £340. And they can run, they can move. They will be moving in your direction and they are trying to bust you. So you're trying to bust them, they're trying to bust you. It's a game of Red Rover, but really you're outnumbered every time, and you're just going to do one at each. And if you can take up two, oh, even better. So you just do what you got. That's what the kickoff used to be. And you could set a tone. Colts had a guy, I think he was a defensive lineman. He was before I got there. Crack four helmets or something like that. Crack four helmets.

[AJ Hawk]

Valuable play. That is a valuable player to that squad because the coach can show film with that dude every week, too. Okay. You see, you talk about laying on the line. Check this guy out. He's half brain dead already. But guys take pride in their job is what I'm saying.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think he cracked three or four helmets or whatever. And they've. They'll show it on NFL Films as one of the highlights. Like, he was just. I think he was a five. So he's right down the middle of the field to the ball. And it was. It was go time. And he exploded through people's heads. And I've seen the clips. I wish that guy was on my team. It was. They said, you should have seen what it was like when I forget his name.

[Darius Butler]

I wish I knew his name, his last name. Reed.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, maybe.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Lineman, 95. Maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Big helmet. Yes, big helmet. So fast. Just so fast. Can't do that anymore now because everybody's lying up next to each other. Which is why when the touchbacks happen, these looked worse than the touchbacks of the old because people just standing at the 30. Touchback. All right, jog off the field. And now, like, I guess there was chatter about moving the kickoff back five yards, the kicker back five yards. Instead of moving, you know, the touchback to the 35, he can move it back, kick off back to the 30, which is what it used to be back in the day. I still think there'll be kickers that could get it out if they wanted to, but that would certainly force some of the weaker legged kickers to probably put up more balls that'll be returned. How do you feel though legitimately about the defensive, they not passing? Do you think that's just forever now? Amen.

[Darius Butler]

Not, not surprised at all. And as the numbers continue to go up, as quarterbacks continue to make money betting, you know, people want fantasy, like all of the things that you know are offensive in the league, so you're not going to make it tougher for the offense. I think that's why even the, the put the tush push, partly why that's kind of been tabled, but I had zero expectations for the defensive stuff to be passed. Just like AJ Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

The other one that's interesting is the seating. Because the NFL isn't the only sport talking about, you know, the changing of the seating. I know the NBA, they've, they're already talking about just doing one through 16, you know, eight teams on the east, eight teams on the west, and then completely reseeding them and doing just a 1 through 16, you know, NBA playoff. So this one feels like it could actually happen where instead of, you know, making those teams that do go 14 and three go on the road, that maybe they still get a home game.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you, I don't know. I don't know. Playoffs are so successful.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You got to remember end of day, like what are we, we're getting like 60 million views, 50 million viewers for these playoff games. With the way the NFL operates, that would be a drastic change with, with that move.

[AJ Hawk]

Would it bring more viewers? Would it bring more fans?

[Boston Connor]

That's the question.

[Pat McAfee]

I, I, maybe it does. I, maybe it does because the games get better and like the people get rewards it in my head, I'm not saying I'm against this at all, at all. I'm not saying I'm against it. What I'm saying is the NFL very rarely will just make a drastic change to something, especially if it's having massive success, which the playoff numbers for football are absurd. I mean, the NFL numbers are bananas.

[Tone]

I heard Trey say yesterday on his last episode of Good Morning Football how much the owners love if you just win your division. Yeah, you get a home, you get a home playoff game, you get all those, you get all those ticket money, you get all those concessions, blah, blah, blah. And then you yesterday said it basically the same thing, but not from the owner's perspective, but more of a player's perspective, you winning the division means something. And that's awesome. Whether, whether you have the fifth best record in that conference or not win the division. As someone like where you. We come from like a division that means something. Like you have rivalries within the division. I love like when that winning division means getting a home field.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Hanging a banner.

[Tone]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, mean something. Yeah, it means something. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I guess not every stadium has division championship banners, but, you know, I mean, they. You still get in, you still get the hat, you still get in the playoffs. And like we, of course winning a division championship means something, but like, how do we talk about it on here? Like, only one team is happy. So. Sure, it definitely means something to the players in the ownership and everything like that. Absolutely. And they're still going to the playoffs. It just, it feels as though having having, you know, being in a division where there's only been one great team with the Bills, maybe that's why I feel this way. But like, when you are in these very difficult divisions, NFC north, the AFC north, like, it does feel like, hey, why, you know, if we win 12 games and you know, the Ravens or The Steelers win 13, or we, the Patriots win 10 games in the Ravens and the Steelers, excuse me, win 12 or 13 games. Like even looking at that, that it's like if I was a Ravens or Steelers fan, it's like I would, I would want that home playoff.

[Pat McAfee]

The Lions pitching this is strictly because week 18 game against the Vikings. They both have 13 or 14 wins, whatever it was at the time, 13 wins. And they were going to have to go from seed one, which is permanent home field advantage throughout the playoffs, to seed five, which is not even a home playoff game. Lions win that game. And they still are the ones making the pitch because I think they're saying that was for the virus Vikings, you know, like, because if they would have lost that game, they would have been like, so we're the best team in the second best team in the entire league and now we're a five seed. We got to go on the road through the entirety of it all. That's it. That's. It's a fascinating. Just had their best regular season in franchise history and they might have been a wild card team.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't see it changing.

[Pat McAfee]

Me neither.

[Darius Butler]

They had to play. It was great for the NFL. Like, they had to play their guys. Like, that was basically extra playoff game. We got from two of the best teams in the NFL with like you said that four spots in the playoffs on the line going from a one to a five. So I don't see it changing. It's just, it's too big a part of the NFL and what the culture is in NFL.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Not saying it's not a good idea. Yeah, like, not saying it's not a good idea and thinking that it would work out. But it's like the way the NFL operates is. They'll be like, what? So you're telling. Pull up the numbers. How many did we get get wild card weekend? How many viewers do we have? Okay, how many upsets has there been in wild card weekend? How many teams have gone on a run? It's just, it feels like the people that are voting in the room would want to make that big of a rattle to their baby. I mean, they're selling playoff games now directly to streaming platforms in the numbers and the amount of money they're getting is just gigantic. So not saying they shouldn't change it, but I don't think that one's ever. Never going to get changed. No.

[Boston Connor]

And like with the NBA, it makes a little bit more sense because, like, sometimes you see like, oh, like the, the Western Conference has 11 teams that should be in the playoffs and like the east is really bad. So, like, that makes sense. But typically in the NFL, it's, it's pretty evened out with how good the teams are in the AFC and the nfc there might be one division. Like, you know, we talked about the NFC south the last couple years. It's like, you know, whoever gets in here is kind of screwing over one of these teams.

[Tone]

But yeah, Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Pat McAfee]

AFC south is back.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, the AFC south, too. But the Texans have been pretty solid. But very rarely is it like, oh, The NFC has eight teams that have 10 wins and the AFC only has three teams that have 10 wins. And a couple of those should get in. Like, it is typically pretty evenly balanced between the, the two divisions coming out.

[Pat McAfee]

Of the league meetings. Also, we have new flex rules for Thursday Night Football. Tom Pelissero, the ERA reported that the NFL owners pass a resolution allowing the lead to flex Sunday games to Thursday night with 21 days notice. Need three weeks if you're going to cut off three days of my weekend. No team can do more than two short week games on Thursday night, and there can be no more than two of these games flexed from Sunday to Thursday. I assume there's a certain restrictor to like, past week seven or past week eight like they have with Sunday Night Football. They obviously did this last year one time, I believe, and now they're going to be able to really do it another time. And now they're shortening the amount of time from 28 days to 21 days for the notice to go on a short week. I like any time these primetime games have the flexibility to move a shite game that we all see coming to a good game or a great game if it is available, there's always going to be Cinderella teams that we don't know are going to be good. So whenever the schedule makers piece together these primetime games and which week who is playing what, they have no idea that the Washington Commanders might be the one of the teams that everybody on earth will want to watch. A couple years ago, the Cincinnati Bengals go from a four win team to a team that ends up going to the Super Bowl. So they're not scheduled to be in a lot of primetime games before the season starts. But all of a sudden, wait a minute, this team should be on primetime tv. I wish networks would pull the trigger more.

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

On flexing games. A lot of networks are scared to do it because they don't want to piss off any of the franchises, which are obviously all individual entities. They don't want to ruin any relationships. They don't want to piss off any fan bases either. Because if you say no to like a New York team is scheduled for three straight primetime games, they suck. They're not good. We're forced to watch them. But a lot of networks are scared to tell their fan base, which is gigantic, even though their team stinks, that they're not worthy of being on primetime. We're going elsewhere. So I think if it becomes much more common, networks will be much more comfortable making the decision to do it. So I like that they're trying to make it easier for primetime games to get better for all of us. A.J.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I, I like that they're doing, I think they're going to continue to find creative ways to, to get all the best games like as we, as the season goes in prime time. But think about how valuable these are when, when the whole, you know, schedule release comes out. That's a big deal. Now, the NFL does a great job job of making that a huge deal, but you sit there and you highlight how many primetime games each team has. So yeah, of course you don't want those taken away from you. But you should also say, hey, if you're one of these terrible teams and you don't have any primetime games, you might get flexed into two Primetime games, if you, you take care of business.

[Pat McAfee]

Early in the year, especially with what the ratings are later in the year, ratings are bigger at the end of the year, so you can earn your way into it. So you're right. I think it does give the teams that are projected to be shite an opportunity, you know, to earn their way into prime. And that's how prime time should be treated, by the way. When you're in these primetime games, they're doing pieces and segments, they're showcasing your team, your city, your building, your players. Like prime time games matter. Not just because people see the field, the play on the field, or get a chance to experience a fan base and everything like that, but because they're telling the story of your team every single week in different ways. So whenever the Dallas Cowboys are on, you know, know, four straight, five straight weeks, I mean, how many different Dak Prescott interviews are we getting in there? How many different, you know, conversations about the Jones family in the stadium, like they, they highlight your franchise. So not having a primetime game sucks for your business.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Sucks for your team, sucks for your players, sucks for your business, sucks for your city. It sucks for your fans that aren't in your city because they can't see shit, you know, unless they get NFL plus, which is a weapon, obviously, for people that are out of their market. But it's like, I hope they make flexing more common. Yeah, I, I hope it becomes more common.

[Darius Butler]

And when, when the good games, the good teams aren't flex, it sucks for the casual fans who, who are just going to turn on the prime time game. So I'm right there with you. And speaking like Dak, like, when that got hurt last year, we still had however many Cowboys game, Danny Dimes hurt. New York still had the Giants on, you know, every few weeks. So like a team like the Colts this year, when Anthony Richard is on his MVP run midway through the year, we get a couple Thursday night games. And for the fans, it's always great that we get these games on prime time. But even for the players, it sucks getting to that Thursday night game. But once you get through it and you have that kind of mini bye week, you have that weekend off that's also awesome. Then the storytelling aspect of it, when you can tell a relevant story that's unfolding in real time, like Jaden Daniels and the commanders last year, for example, CJ Stroud the previous year, maybe Drake May next year, you know, that's, that's better for the fans, better for the fan bases and like you said for the organization, Drake.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe, yeah, Mo.

[Ty Schmidt]

Most likely. But is it still the situation where some of the networks can say no? Because you remember when the Ravens and Commanders were the 1 o'clock game on CBS and then the Sunday night game was absolute shites and everyone was like, oh, well, this is an easy fix. Let's just move the commanders in the Ravens to Sunday Night Football. But CBS was able to say no. Like, do they still have.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we change that rule.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, like, is that rule still in place? Because that, that's the biggest problem.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, because who's Amazon going to be able to get it from?

[Ty Schmidt]

Bingo. It's like, oh, okay. So instead of this game, we're getting another shites game that is slated for 4:00.

[Pat McAfee]

But because CBS and Fox have the, the one in four, right, the daytime.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

They're the ones that have all the games. Like all, all the games are AFC one side, NFC the other, obviously. And they kind of run that shit. Fox, nfc, cbs, afc. If you're not in primetime, you're going to be on one of those, probably regionally, depending upon where you're at. So if they were to get a good game, actually, you know, in one of those spots to be able to do it, and then Amazon, who has no affiliation with them, with either, is like, hey, excuse me. Oh, yeah, yeah, we're taking that. There's no way they're going to.

[Ty Schmidt]

Is there a chance.

[Tone]

Isn't it where each. I thought I could be wrong. I thought it was where Fox and CBS have the right to protect one game each week. So if they do have, let's just say like Ravens, Bengals, they're going to protect that one. But if they're, let's say the, The Patriots are 8, 0 and, and they're playing the packers, who are 7 and 0. Or in this situation, it's the SEC, let's pretend it's the second best game of the week. Amazon can take that one. They can only, only CBS and Fox, I think, can only protect one game.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's the problem is that like a lot of times there's only three good. Like a lot of times, especially once we get to like week eight, week 10, there aren't that many good games.

[Pat McAfee]

Two games, two good games on a Sunday is very good for us there for like a five, six week period.

[Ty Schmidt]

And guess what? One of them's on CBS and one of them's on Fox, so.

[Pat McAfee]

Or NBC on Sunday night or.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Bingo. So it's like even if in that situation like, it really should be more so. Like, hey, the four. The three primetime games, they get their pick because those are the games that no matter what we are going to watch, we have to watch them. We're watching. And then on Sunday, sometimes there is that game that comes out of nowhere that wasn't supposed to be good and it turns out to be incredible. And that's on Sunday. And that's a real treat. It really is. But those Monday, Thursday and Sunday night games, they have to be the best games of the week.

[Pat McAfee]

And on that note. Note, I'm. I'm done with the way you guys are stacking these games.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, my God.

[Pat McAfee]

One and four o'clock. Okay. We all have the opportunity for the quad box. Who's on YouTube TV. Okay. For those that aren't on to the streaming area yet at YouTube TV. And I assume Hulu is going to have this. Just. We all. We all doing it. Okay. With the Red Zone channel. We're doing it. There is no reason for there to be eight in one and then like three in the other or whatever it is. Let's make sure we're making this conducive.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Even it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's. Let's make sure this is good as well. And is Scott Hansen up?

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that what I saw.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who's.

[AJ Hawk]

Who's doing it?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. That's. Hey, you can't just plug anybody in there. I don't think after this year or. I think he's up. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

I believe he's like in contract negotiations right now.

[Tone]

They'll get that done.

[Pat McAfee]

It feels like they maybe.

[Boston Connor]

I don't know. Tony Reali threw his hat in the ring, said, hey, that'd be a dream job.

[Ty Schmidt]

And Tony, that's from around the horn. Excuse you, dude.

[Darius Butler]

I just wanted to make sure he.

[Tone]

Is a free agent.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, but he could do it.

[AJ Hawk]

He would do a good job.

[Darius Butler]

We're not. We're not. We're not putting Tony there.

[Pat McAfee]

Tony would be. I think his brain would be one that could do it. My thing with that red zone operation there and everybody just talks about Scott not peeing for seven hours.

[Boston Connor]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Scott's got to keep up with.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

10 story lines in seven hours. And he's got somebody literally chatting with him while he's doing this about where he's going. Like the talent that that guy show showcases. Memory has to remember first quarter whenever he's in the fourth quarter of all the games. And then also directing of traffic and not sounding like an. Now there's Sometimes where he'll start a narrative that I don't think is the right narrative.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And then he'll have to revisit it a little bit later. Yeah, I can't. But he's flying.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

A thousand miles an hour around. That's a tough gig. I. I think he makes it sound.

[AJ Hawk]

Throw someone else in there. Can you imagine, Pat, if you threw someone? Just throw some random in there and say, here you go. Give it a shot for 10 minutes. Imagine like you're. You'd be swimming.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's also like a sensory overload, too, you know?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because the amount of. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I imagine starting that, though, knowing you're going like seven straight hours, just starting that every Sunday. He definitely makes it look much easier than it is.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that's the thing producing it.

[Darius Butler]

Like he's basically live producing. You can hear him going at producing. Hey, can we. Can we get that? Yeah, get the Browns. Browns. Can we get that play back up? So. Yeah, it's. I need Scott in there. Okay, me too.

[Ty Schmidt]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too. I. I think the NFL has to know that, but maybe not.

[Boston Connor]

Well, cuz C. Leano used to do it, so they. They might. I mean, if he's playing hardball, they might say, listen, we'll bring Sicilyano.

[Tone]

No, he's with the Browns now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I know.

[Boston Connor]

I'm sure he'd be okay with leaving the Browns radio job to do Red Zone again. Maybe. Maybe Adam Shine throws it.

[Pat McAfee]

Adam Shine could do it. What are it. It's gonna take. It's gonna take a special talent to get in there. That as somebody that speaks into a microphone. And I believe I probably have a pretty okay memory and everything like that. That one. I've tried to put myself in his position at home. They're like, all right, how could this work out?

[Darius Butler]

Out?

[Pat McAfee]

This could be. Is this a. Because, like, college ball needs one, you know, so, like, do we pitch that? The NHL could have one. You know, like, there's a lot of those that they could have. But it's not just as easy as the concept. The person that is doing it matters in that entire thing. And it's just like you have to be in for a long time. And the way he does it, Dre, I don't think that's an easy person.

[Darius Butler]

To kind of doing it.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Tone]

Reese was doing it. He also has. Have a general knowledge of. Of 90% of the players in the league in case something happens.

[Pat McAfee]

All the background. Yeah, that's not an easy gig.

[Darius Butler]

Backup quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Tone]

All of it.

[Boston Connor]

Like you said, too. There's a difference between, like, doing TV and like having a producer in your ear, like a little bit when you're. But like, I assume that there is a producer in his ear damn near every second of that entire eight hour block.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Hey, this is next. This is next. This is next. Like, just constantly, basically, it's like having like 15 voices in your head.

[Pat McAfee]

Anthony Calhoun with what a song?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Anthony Calhoun, Wish TV here in Indianapolis. I believe he was Syracuse classmates with Scott Hansen. So he does a charity golf outing to raise money for the local teachers here, I believe. And one of them is to spend a day at Red zone. So I got a chance via his documentation of it. And it's like watching Scott go from. I assume it's NFC notes on one thing, AFC notes on another thing, then bouncing to the second page of the AFC note with like four TVs in front of him without even skipping a beat, and then even looking at the camera afterwards with like a. A point. And then goes, now let's get to Las Vegas. And it's like he's directing traffic. He's like, immediate meteorology. Hey, we need Scott back in there. We need Scott.

[Ty Schmidt]

It is no longer seven hours of commercial free football, though.

[Pat McAfee]

And nobody cared. People were pissed there for about a week, and then everybody turned it right back on, and they're like, wait a second, weren't we running L Raps on this thing this entire time? Whenever he was saying seven hours of commercial free football. And then I saw Christian McCaffrey on an L rap, I'm like, the fuck's up? I think that's a commercial. I think you are profiting from this. But now that they're stopping it picture and picture doing their thing, we assume it was only a matter of time. Yeah, it was only a matter of time before that happened. And everybody was pissed on the Internet.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Until the following.

[AJ Hawk]

Too valuable. Way too valuable. They have to.

[Pat McAfee]

That happens a lot. Yeah, it does.

[Ty Schmidt]

On the Internet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We're mad, and then we're not actually in real life. And then, you know, soon as it's 12:58.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What four games am I putting on? Am I? There's one of these ones that just kind of tracks them all.

[Ty Schmidt]

Put the audio, tell me, I gotta.

[Boston Connor]

Watch Jags, Browns, locally. That's the only thing I got. I think I'll go to red zone.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah, well, 1259. Yeah, one more week. And then when Scott goes, welcome to seven hours of red zone football. This mother. All right. I'm. Yeah, I'm not. Tomorrow I'll stop. Yeah. That is. They know it. I couldn't even fathom what the numbers are. Oh, for. Red zone Massive. Has to be a cash cow. Oh, yeah, Absolute cash cow.

[Ty Schmidt]

I bet those ads with fantasy football.

[AJ Hawk]

That'S all people care about. It's like, who's scoring? Like, where's my. Who are my fantasy guys? What are they doing?

[Darius Butler]

Parlays. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Like touchdowns. As someone who only bets on touchdown scoring parlays, red zone is basically the only thing I would have to watch if I was just worrying about gamble.

[Pat McAfee]

So schedule makers, what we're trying to say is make red zone easier because we're all watching it. So if you have the one and four o'clock times easily separated, I think they should be able to flop those too. Granted, that would be cross networks, I guess. But what like if there's three 1 o'clock games, like should be able to bounce, you know.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, you're right.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, because there's like some 4 o'clock slates that are cropped and then there's like a loaded one 11 ones. Yeah. And it's like we need them all. It's like I wish they would be a little bit more active in making it easier to kind of do it. All players would have to be the ones that would have to adjust this, obviously, but Sunday to Thursday is really the only biggest one. If you're Sunday at one to prime time, not a big deal. If you're Sunday to Monday, not that big of a deal. If you're Monday to Thursday, then. Then you know, that would be impossible seemingly, but that would be a little bit different. But yeah, I think we're going to get to a point where it's going to be a shell game. Because remember, didn't they say at one point there was a rumor about like the afternoon games are going to be up for sale?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you remember that when it was going to be like a.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like a bid, they were going to.

[Boston Connor]

Do like a draft almost.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I think that's only a matter of time.

[AJ Hawk]

Really.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think like, I think they're going to try to profit off of more games. If we're thinking about the NFL, obviously, what is the.

[AJ Hawk]

They're going to uae, right? I mean, yeah, they're.

[Pat McAfee]

Why are they doing that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Sean McDermott wants to play over there.

[AJ Hawk]

Has, as con man would say, it has to be about the shekels.

[Pat McAfee]

That is what con man would say.

[Ty Schmidt]

That isn't what I would say. But I'm picking shrag.

[Pat McAfee]

Said. That is what you said. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Well, in that question.

[AJ Hawk]

Couple times.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, just once.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you. Today, maybe spend some of your shekels.

[Ty Schmidt]

All the time.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you to today's sponsor, SeatGeek, which is the greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and the moon. Don't like when my algorithm rhythm's been doing with the moon.

[Tone]

What happened?

[AJ Hawk]

What? What happened?

[Ty Schmidt]

Turns out we don't need to worry about tickets on the moon because we never.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, all right.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's what happens.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's just what I'm. They might be selling tickets underneath the great pyramids, though.

[AJ Hawk]

I saw something about that car.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's been a lot of that. Too much. I have to tell my algo. I go into Search bar. I go, no more moon stuff. Search.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Just hoping that the. The AI guy understands live videos. Saw a lot of interviews, old school interviews.

[Boston Connor]

Those are all doctored. Okay, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure Buzz Aldrin would go, go to the moon and then just willingly, a bunch of years later just say.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, we never went. We never went. I didn't see that.

[Boston Connor]

Sucking this guy's dick about going to.

[Pat McAfee]

The moon for 50 years.

[Boston Connor]

Do you think one day he's just. I'm sick and tired of it.

[Pat McAfee]

I. We.

[Boston Connor]

We never went. I hate to burst your butt.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that what you're seeing? I didn't see that.

[Boston Connor]

Seen that.

[Pat McAfee]

That's all what I saw.

[Boston Connor]

The most obvious doctored footage ever. Listen, I could go in and.

[Pat McAfee]

What's the doctored footage? That's what Connor just said.

[Darius Butler]

They're saying.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, his interviews are doctored. You can take this guy. This guy's 90 years old. You can take his words from 60 different years and put it together and he'll say anything. He'll say anything. I could. I could make him say that we've went to the. He's been to the moon 450 times in the last last three years. You know what? I might do that actually. Wait for that. That video will be out in the next week.

[Darius Butler]

That's.

[Pat McAfee]

That's. I haven't seen any of those interviews.

[Boston Connor]

I've seen.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm sorry, you've seen those?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah. AI voiceovers.

[Pat McAfee]

What's your algorithm trying to do to you?

[Boston Connor]

I don't know. Well, and it's all these tagging me in it acting like we didn't guess what we did.

[Pat McAfee]

And.

[Boston Connor]

No, no. No amount of, you know, gerrymandered and. And no amount of research that you do is Going to convince me otherwise. Okay, You're. You're picking and choosing.

[Pat McAfee]

Sounds like your algorithm is joining their side too. You're getting attacked.

[Boston Connor]

I know.

[Pat McAfee]

From all angles.

[Boston Connor]

Can't do it anymore.

[Ty Schmidt]

Some of these AIs are watching the moon landing videos and saying, well, this isn't real.

[Pat McAfee]

You guys.

[Ty Schmidt]

You guys believe.

[Tone]

Is that possible?

[Pat McAfee]

Certification, Certificate, class. What? Yeah, he. Certification is the word. Yep. You get it.

[AJ Hawk]

You got certified in AI.

[Pat McAfee]

Not took a 10 minute class that turned into a 4 hour class. I think he went to expert level. It's got my. Have his masters.

[Darius Butler]

45 minutes. I didn't get. I got 45 minutes worth.

[Pat McAfee]

It was great work.

[Darius Butler]

Got to go back and it was, you know, just learning some of the basics, some of the terminologies.

[Pat McAfee]

What do we need to know about AI that maybe we fear or that we don't know about? Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

We'Re fine. You. We'll always need humans.

[AJ Hawk]

We'll always.

[Darius Butler]

Poison to humans.

[AJ Hawk]

What's the great benefit?

[Boston Connor]

That's exactly what they want you to think.

[Darius Butler]

The great benefit. I mean the benefit is you can just, you know, multiply whatever work you're doing. So whatever. If you. Okay, if you're. Or if you could just obviously type in how we build photos on grok.AI photos. If you want to put a flyer out, if you want to put classes out, if you. Teaching, learning, obviously, all those. Yeah, cheating for sure. So kids now. I mean that's the thing. They just type in anything and just.

[Pat McAfee]

Why do we. Why will we all always need humans? Because we direct that thing.

[Darius Butler]

We direct it and then they. We have the. For now. For now.

[Pat McAfee]

Because not you.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

I watch this guy do a class itself though. Hey, Debo. How do we keep it from directing itself and directing us and changing, you know, ruining us.

[Darius Butler]

I don't have the answer.

[Tone]

Why you take the class.

[AJ Hawk]

You just got certified, man.

[Pat McAfee]

He took the class. Okay. And this one. This one said can't compute. Really think that was number one. And then he went through 45 minutes. Went through it all. I believe what you told me though is they'll never understand conversation.

[Darius Butler]

So what say no. So it's just certain context that we have with conversation. So even, even in our age group, a certain conversation that we can have amongst 10 year olds.

[Tone]

Mad dummy.

[Darius Butler]

And it would just go completely over here. And it's fucking old people that are 90 years old that can say certain things that we wouldn't pick. Or if we're speaking a language. If you're speaking Spanish, but Spanish speakers can speak and Say things that we wouldn't necessarily get. So, yeah, they can figure some out, but it's so much context that, you know, there are machines and they're learning.

[AJ Hawk]

It's just the beginning, though, T. But this is just the beginning.

[Pat McAfee]

It's another class.

[Darius Butler]

It is just the beginning.

[Pat McAfee]

This is 201. Can a computer talk like a human? That's a good episode.

[Darius Butler]

That was the part we're talking about.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, but see that, that's the problem is how, like in that you just mentioned, like school and humans and stuff like AI will become so good at it that people won't actually learn anything. So then people will start to get much dumber and then the AIs get smaller.

[Pat McAfee]

Talking about idiot brother.

[Ty Schmidt]

Look, I'm just saying, look out.

[Pat McAfee]

The AI put that class together for him. So that was a thing.

[Darius Butler]

Those were humans, all right. The humans over at IBM.

[Boston Connor]

Do you know this?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, and I be sure it wasn't.

[Tone]

You mean, Watson might have been wide.

[Boston Connor]

And that's why they're always going to need humans too. Who's going to do all the manual labor? Who's going to wear the shackles and chains that eventually, guess what? We are. We are.

[Pat McAfee]

That's.

[Boston Connor]

That's the. You know. So, yeah, they will always need.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, before that happens, why don't you go get a ticket to a game?

[Darius Butler]

Enjoy while you can.

[Pat McAfee]

You're alive, but are you living? Go live and experience something. Live with our friends at SeatGeek. They have over 28 million downloads. 28 million downloads?

[Tone]

Downloads.

[Pat McAfee]

SeatGeek is still the number one rated ticketing app. How about it? 28 million downloads. Number one, the most downloads. What's that?

[AJ Hawk]

What is that? What do you mean AI doing half of that?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, the thing about the AI that they have, okay, sea geeks, AI has been around for a while. It's a mature AI. It actually scans the rest of the Internet to make sure that the ticket that you're buying is a good ticket to buy. Their AI will snoop around other places and they'll say, you know what? This is overpriced bullshit ticket. And they'll. There'll be a red dot next to the ticket, which is basically seatgeeks AI telling you, hey, go find a better ticket elsewhere. Then it'll snoop around, say, oh, it's a good ticket. Don't put a green dot next to it. So you not only have an AI tag team partner whenever you're shopping at SeatGeek, but you also have a transparent ticket buying platform that tells you this is a Bad deal. Do not buy this ticket. Speaking of, we have 1,750 tickets going up for sale tomorrow at noon for big night one week from tomorrow. We're able to move some cameras, open up a section or two, get more people in the giveaway zones, get some more people in the building, get some more people to experience a big night in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Now, I do not know if any tickets will be on SeatGeek because this will obviously be sold through Ticketmaster tomorrow. But every other event that happens in the world, CK tickets to. And right now you can get $30 off your tickets with code PMS2025. Used to be Pat, remember? Then it got on a Reddit. And then ticket stooge, who is now leveraged stooge, he said, hey, we can't just have this thing getting spammed out here. We're going to have to change it. So we've changed it. PMS2025, that works for all event types. NBA, NHL concerts, comedies, whatever. Shout out to seeking love. You seeky restrictions apply.

[Ty Schmidt]

Always.

[Darius Butler]

Always. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't get 30 off tickets that are less than 30 bucks.

[Ty Schmidt]

That would make sense.

[Pat McAfee]

Sea Geek's not paying you? No, but shout out to Sea Geek. Sea Geek is taking care of us.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, love Sea Geek.

[AJ Hawk]

That's how I want people to help, though. Is it going to help the fact that I don't know if you guys saw, like, Kid Rock wearing, like, his evil Knievel jumpsuit. He was in there and they're trying to pass a bill to, you know, for resale, right, for resale tickets where they. They. The secondary buyers come and screw everybody else over. So that's a good thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he was in the Oval Office and. Yeah, yeah, K Rock. Yeah, he was. He was dressed like Evil Knievel and evil Knievel son, Robbie Knievel.

[AJ Hawk]

Do not forget Robbie. Put some respect on his name.

[Darius Butler]

Come on now.

[Pat McAfee]

Absolutely. Second generation.

[AJ Hawk]

Robbie killed it, too. Robbie was not like, evil too. Like, he was. He was awesome. Robbie killed it.

[Pat McAfee]

Here's Kid Rock.

[AJ Hawk]

Here we go.

[Pat McAfee]

Nope, no, no. That is. That is skr, brother. That is.

[Ty Schmidt]

He ordered a missile strike on Gaza.

[Pat McAfee]

Right now, that's Kid Rock. But they. They did sign a bill trying to eliminate ticket fraud and scammers. So, like, even obviously with Big night Out, I did not know the extent of it. We had no idea what was going to happen with those ticket sales. But it was pretty evident that there was some sort of AI or robots, you know, buying tickets before anybody else could get them. They were just either or. There's multiple people with multiple different logins trying to get those and then immediately going up on the secondary market at an up price. I think Taylor Swift had a situation take place where it ended up in the Supreme Court. I think with the entire fraud and the entire thing. Yeah. So this has been a business that people have been taking advantage of not only venues and like the fans, but also the artists and everything else going on. So that would be a big deal. I don't know how they regulate it though. Like we're just talking about AI and Darius who is our certified AI expert. These motherfuckers never be able to talk to us because they won't be able to catch our drift. You know, they won't be able to understand what we're saying in that whole thing. But I think they'll always be able to buy a ticket. You know, like I think AI will always be able to be a boom. Here's my credit card and I want it. You're out. So how do they monitor that? How do they regulate that? Hopefully they get that under control because as somebody who loves going to live events, whenever you see like there's. We're selling tickets for 20 bucks to get in. Some of those tickets were hundreds of dollars. Oh yeah, 500, 600 bucks immediately on the secondary market. And it's like that's so fucked up for our people. Like the people that I wanted to get. The reason why it's priced that way is because the people that I wanted in, you know, like I want that crowd in that building. Yes. Like that's who I want. But instead it goes. I mean, once again, this is my first show. Our first show. Very small sample size. But even we experienced it and felt it. I couldn't even imagine what these big time artists feel about it, you know. And hopefully they do get that said a lot in the music industry is kind of having to get figured out or kind of getting sorted right now. The ticketing thing is very, very real. Comedians as well, obviously.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. And the ownership of everything too. Like that was the biggest thing for. It feels like a couple years when it came to Taylor Swift and her own. And her own music. And then people started selling their entire catalogs. You remember that where you know Justin Timberlake. Timberlake sold all his music. Yeah. Springsteen. Yeah. It's very interesting.

[Pat McAfee]

They can re record them. Yes. And then Taylor's version.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bingo. Is their own.

[Pat McAfee]

Is bigger than like my wife only listens to Taylor's version because she's like I'm sporting Taylor and it's like, hell yeah, good for you. Good for Taylor. She's getting double.

[Boston Connor]

She's double dip.

[Pat McAfee]

Which once again, Taylor Swift is a super genius. And a lot of these artists are great business business folks. So if that was to happen, I think he'd probably win over some folks. Let's go back to the league meetings happening down in Florida. You know, the Pittsburgh Steelers, talking about business, proposed an ability to chit chat with the free agents during the tampering period. You know, we had free agency frenzy on espn, espn, NFL had their free agency frenzy on ESPN too, at the same exact time. Biggest day of the offseason, they had their show. We weren't allowed to have anybody from their program program on our program. We're live at the same time they are, but it's a big deal. But that's just the opening of the tampering period. That's not even the actual free agency period starts, which is on Wednesday at 4:00. So, like ESPN viewed the tampering period opening at noon so big that they wanted multiple shows covering it immediately at noon. But the rules of the NFL were that the teams weren't even allowed to talk to the players, the free agent players that they had negotiated these deal before the tampering period even began. They talked to their agents. Obviously they were able to get a deal done and everything, but they weren't able to like meet them because it was some reason prohibited. So the Steelers were like, shouldn't we be able to at least chit chat with these guys? We're gonna give 100 and some million dollars to a day before we meet them. And that got passed. I think probably everybody was feeling that way. Up to five free agents are allowed to chat with starting at the tampering period. They're also saying it's a way to set up either meetings or medical or whatever the case is. I think it's a good idea. I think a lot of things that are getting passed right now make common sense and this is certainly one of them.

[Tone]

Yeah, they're allowed to do one video or phone call with up to five free agents, like you said, during that tampering period that started, I believe, at noon on Monday before the beginning of the league new year. But yeah, it makes sense. Like, sure, you could talk to the agent. The agent can say, yeah, everything's good here, but you would much rather talk to the person who's going to be on the team, who's going to be playing for you. This one One, there was a lot of rules that got passed that, that just were like, made sense. And we're like, why wasn't this already a thing? And this was. Was probably one of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I, I like this. Yeah, I like this. I can't believe this had been happening without it. Yeah. Like, I think this is one of those ones where I was surprised when I found out that people weren't talking to the new team. Yeah, we signed this guy to 230 million bucks. Did you talk to him? No, no, no. Talk to the agency. Good guy. Well, you better hope so. I mean, and then it doesn't happen. Obviously I'm talking about Cleveland. But it is a. This makes a lot of sense. I like this. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

You think it'll change free agency at all? Because like a situation like the Patriots with Milton Williams where, you know, hey, the Patriots are out, he's signing with the Panthers. But instead of him flipping back to New England in that situation where if he is kind of talking to the Panthers on a zoom call or something, like he will even have a chance to call the Patriots back, per se, because if their one call is over, you know, then, you know, because then he ends up with the Panthers. And then do you think some guys, let's say they schedule five people, but, you know, you don't even make it to the fifth team and they sign to the first team. Like, does that call count towards the people that you have kind of slotted as the five?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And are you spending all five on top money guys or is it like second, third wave guys, guys too, that you kind of want to chat with, that you're paying medium salaries too? There'll be a strategy to all this.

[Darius Butler]

It will be. Always is. But I'm with you. I like it too. If you're. Especially from the team standpoint. Player standpoint, too. Team standpoint. I think it was Tomlin or someone from the Steelers organization saying, yeah, we just got time to spend intimate time with Aaron Rodgers and get to know him. If you're investing tens of millions of dollars into a player, into a person, you definitely want to know and have some in person conversation with that individual. Individual? Yeah, for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Who is this guy? He's getting paid more than anybody in our locker room. Yeah. How about the Steelers signing DK Mech after this deal and then being like, we need to be able to talk to this guy. Okay. I am sick of this, you know, because the Steelers, this isn't really their MO. Day 1 Free agency or anything like that. This is not their thing. Now they're getting involved in it. They're like, you guys have been doing what this whole thing. No way is that how we're going to be doing this going forward. Have an update here. We talked about Kirk Cousins potentially going to the Cleveland Browns, which has been gaining steam because of Kirk Cousins relationship with Stefanski Hembo, genius stats guy from ESPN who we appreciate. Say he. He is AI. Bit of a. Hembo is an AI. Yeah. Yeah. He's a human AI.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Him and O. O is a demon. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pelissero, I think is what you're talking. Talking about.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Palacera is the one that's plugged in.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he is. I mean, O has a little bit of everything. He's a demon, he's AI. He's an alien. He's all of it.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's a freak.

[Pat McAfee]

He's a little bit of a freak.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Shape shifter probably.

[Pat McAfee]

There is a chance he does do a little, you know, now you see me, now you don't type thing. Anyways, Hembo. The stats AI from ESPN said Kirk Cousins had a 107.5 passer race with Kevin Stefanski as his offensive coordinator for the 2018, 2019 Vikings. That's the highest playing under any OC of his entire career. So saying that Stefanski and Kirk Cousins could potentially do well together is with stats backing that up. Highest of Kirk Cousins careers with Stefanski as the OC. Does that change anything for you, A.J. you think the Browns are going to pick up up Kirk Cousins potentially here in the next month or two?

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, I think it can't hurt. It definitely changes a little bit. The fact that they have a history and a past together. Like why wouldn't Stefanski want to bring Kirk Cousins? And now the question is like, can they. Can they pay it? How much more is he owed? Like 80 mil. Something crazy. More than that.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know the exact. I know it's 37. I think it was 27. Then an extra 10 as of March. I forget the date just a few weeks back.

[AJ Hawk]

They can make it work though, right? If they want them, they can make it work, can't they?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, if the Falcons want them out of the building, they can make it work. Like the Falcons can pick up a lot of the. A lot of the pay. You know, that's what happened with the Russell Wilson Denver Broncos situation where he goes to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, I believe the Broncos, did they cut. Yes, Russell Wilson. So that was a part of that entire deal with the Dead Cap. But it's like Falcons trading them. You can negotiate how much of the salary you want to pay versus the other team. And what will somebody give up? Will the Cleveland Browns be able to give up up? Who knows?

[Darius Butler]

K has to also sign off on it, right. Since he has enough trade clause. And he said. Was that 1819?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, 2018. 2019.

[Darius Butler]

Brady still your quarterback?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Brady's in New England. Yeah.

[Tone]

What are you saying, dude?

[Darius Butler]

Trying to remember what Kirk Cousins.

[Tone]

We found that just Kirk.

[Darius Butler]

I like Kurt.

[Pat McAfee]

Why?

[Darius Butler]

Why do you like I like Kurt? I'm talking about football and the players. We're not making this personal. We're talking about football.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no, no.

[Tone]

I bet as a player, man, we.

[Pat McAfee]

Don'T make his personal.

[Darius Butler]

We talk football. NFL players, Pro plus premium, like me and Bruce are dialed in there.

[Pat McAfee]

And.

[Ty Schmidt]

And the quarterback series. Like, I think no one looked better than Kirk Cousins. I feel like Kirk's one of those guys that everyone does like. But, yeah, boy, did he stink at football last year.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, there was some moments there where he looked like he was still struggling from the Achilles and maybe not fully comfortable in the offense, which very possible.

[Ty Schmidt]

So perfect thing for Cleveland would do would be, hey, let's sink some. Sink some more money into this quarterback room. And you know what? Andrew Barrett and Kevin Stefanski.

[Pat McAfee]

Sure.

[Ty Schmidt]

Ownership screwed you. Instead of drafting a young guy, let's bring in an old guy. And then guess what, if this doesn't work out, you know, maybe next year.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, it does from what Haslam said down at the owner's meetings. This is what he said. Let's address the elephant in the room. You know, we took a big swing and miss with desean.

[Tone]

We thought we had the quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

We didn't. And we gave up a lot of draft picks to get him. So we've got to dig ourselves out of that hole. Shouldn't they be held accountable for that decision? Listen, I've said this, I think, numerous times. Deshaun Watson was an entire organization decision, and it ends with dni. So, you know, hold us accountable. Hey, don't you think Andrew Barry and Stefanski should be held accountable? Listen, I've said this, I think before. We haven't heard it. We've all assumed it was the case. We all assumed it was the Haslams that decided to pay desean, which is why Stefan Fansky and Andrew Barry having given this entire leeway, because if you continue to not have success, you would think that they would be looking for turnover. But I think Haslam looks Andrew Barry in The eye and goes. We screwed you over pretty good. Okay.

[Darius Butler]

It's the first time he said this. Public. Well, I don't know how public was that. Was that. Did you know he was.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. ESPN recorded that is what we were told. That was ESPN recording, I believe. There's probably no cameras, maybe just audio in that room. But it did. It did sound like that was a phone under a pocket, but not ESPN recorded. Don't, please, please.

[AJ Hawk]

He's not passing blame. He's not passing blame.

[Pat McAfee]

I respect it too. We took a big swing. Big miss. It sucks. We move. See another day. Just like we will. See you tomorrow. Goodbye. But like, I enjoyed the way he laid that out. Yes, we took a big swing.

[Darius Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Cuz think about how good he felt whenever he decided. Oh man, Cleveland Browns are no longer in the conversation. It's either going to be the Falcons or the Saints. Allegedly was the desean Watson market at the time. He wanted out of the Texans. Wanted out of the Texans. He was wearing a green hat one time he's going to Philadelphia, now he's going to the New York Jets. Well then everything very, very, very serious off the field came around and the thought was, well, is this guy still going to be able to get traded? Who cares? Who wants him? Well, he's on a football field. He's unbelievable. And, and obviously these are just allegations at this point. All that happens and then the market becomes him in Atlanta and the Saints are his final spots. Cleveland had been ruled out. And then out of nowhere, Haslam's walking around his office with his wife. There's a guy available. We're gonna have to take it on shins a bit. Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Top three quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

You see that J.J. watt miked up clip. Yeah. Where he's walking off the field with Deshaun Watts. Doesn't ask. Pat says, Sorry, we wasted NFL MVP here.

[Ty Schmidt]

So sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

J.J. watt thinks he's good. Don't. Don't. Done. I mean we should. Yeah. What do you think it's going to take? Go to Andrew Barry. What's it going to take? Andrew Barry calls Mulaguetta. Mulaguetta goes, $230 million fully guaranteed. That's a lot. Andrew Berry says, back to Mulaguetta. Mulliceta goes, say you want to Cleveland or not. Andrew Berry hangs up, calls the Haslam's office back. He said 230 million guaranteed has him. And he go, we thought he's gonna say 250. We saved 20 million. Fucking send it. No flubs that. Cuz that happened like overnight. Oh, yeah. It was like a boom, bang, pow, boom. Gone. Signed biggest deal in history. Most guaranteed money in history. Oh, my God. The entire NFL is now on notice because of what Haslam just did. And it just has not worked out. No.

[Ty Schmidt]

At all.

[Pat McAfee]

At all. On the field, off the field.

[Darius Butler]

Might have said the NFL back. Back fully guaranteed contracts. How to change that for. I know, I know. Josh Allen just got, what, 250, something like that? Yeah. Guarantee. But, oh, yeah, once Desean happened, we thought like, oh, yeah, this is, you know, when Lamar's up and this guy's up and that guy's up and for it to work out like it did. But at that time, you know, you got a top three, four quarterback in his prime available, walking around his office.

[Pat McAfee]

We did it. D.

[Tone]

I was actually waiting for him in that clip to be like, you know what? Now I think about, this was kind of D's idea.

[Pat McAfee]

I was just throwing.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah. Look, I. I said no. But D, she wanted it.

[Pat McAfee]

So think about Andrew Barry going in every year to describe the team now. Well, since we're in a deficit, $120 million. Okay, this is what everybody else can do.

[Tone]

Bye.

[Pat McAfee]

This is what we have the capability of doing. And Jimmy's like, I get you. You got another three, four years. You need it. I messed it up. I get it. I made a big, dumb decision. But remember, in a moment, we're gonna win a Super Bowl. In a moment, we're gonna win a Super Bowl.

[AJ Hawk]

If it worked out. Think about it. I mean, it was a big swing, no question. Huge swing. So either you're the hero and you find a way to win the super bowl, or this is probably worst case scenario.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[AJ Hawk]

What happened with it?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. For all parts. Worst case, hard to. Except for DeShawn. All parties except for DeShawn.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's why, like, the Shadur at the top just feels like it makes more sense because then you at least give him like, hey, now you do. Now your clock's actually on. You get three, four years. You have Shadur Sanders. And the conversation about the draft is how, you know, deep the pass rushers and, you know, the linemen are in the tight ends. It's like, hey, the quarterbacks basically are Cam Ward, Chador Jackson, Dart. It feels like now and then kind of the next tier, if the tier thing is how we're kind of approaching it when it comes to the group of players. So, I mean, maybe they do do the Carter and Miles Garrett and roll with, you know, Kenny Pickett. But it does feel like to what Traeger said, hey, if they told Garrett there's a plan and Garrett believes in the plan, and that plan does include $40.1 million a year for Miles Garrett. Garrett, like maybe that is a legitimate choice for them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's a whole different animal there. Whenever Andrew Barrett goes back to has them and says, I got bad news again, buddy. What's that? Miles Garrett. Not only is he dunking on me in his statement, but he wants the hell out of here. And Hasm goes, what's it gonna take? So Andrew Barry goes, what's it gonna take? $40 million. I'm gonna go back, send it.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Miles Garrett. Keep him around.

[Ty Schmidt]

And he tried to meet with that him. It has him.

[Boston Connor]

I'm.

[Pat McAfee]

You talk to Andrew Barry.

[Darius Butler]

Tell Andrew what you need.

[Pat McAfee]

You tell Andrew what he needs. He'll call me in a panic. I'll agree to it. You've seen this game before. What if the Browns win? Hey, good luck, dog.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

No chance they won't.

[Tone]

No chance.

[Ty Schmidt]

0% 0% 0.

[Boston Connor]

Feel like you say this every off season.

[Tone]

Hey, what if Browns win that division is hell.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

But I try to be as optimistic optimistic as possible. Just like I'm optimistic about the Colts. Holy hell.

[Tone]

Win what though?

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Like the Super Bowl, Browns make the playoffs. I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm saying what if the make the playoffs? With all these conversations, I mean, you said it.

[Tone]

The Bengals, the Texans commanders, none of those teams were making the playoffs before the year that they did.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's true.

[Pat McAfee]

You're right. Miles Garrett too. A little bit more ownership of the Browns. Not that he didn't have it before, but he's really, you know, recharge. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

We saw him on the in season. Hard knocks Texan in the mean room. That's a good point.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Tone]

He was doubting.

[Boston Connor]

He's playing candy crush my game.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a good game.

[Boston Connor]

It is.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, look at the success of the number two picks the last couple years.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Darius Butler]

C.J.

[Ty Schmidt]

Good luck.

[Darius Butler]

Jaden.

[Pat McAfee]

Shador.

[Darius Butler]

Shador.

[Pat McAfee]

That was the thing. The Browns are definitely taking a quarterback at 2. That was like two weeks ago.

[Tone]

That was Mary Kay Cabot said that. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

She said they might take two in the first round.

[Pat McAfee]

They're trading back in to get another.

[Darius Butler]

Quarterback in the first round.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Mary K's been covering the Browns a long time. Long time. This was weeks ago, brother. Rapper Sean Diddy Combs was a king maker. He had wealth, fame and power until it all Came crashing down.

[Tone]

Federal investigators raiding two homes owned by.

[Darius Butler]

Hip hop mogul Sean diddy combs.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm brian buchmire, an abc news legal contributor. As diddy heads to trial, we trace his remarkable rise and fall. And what could be next? Listen to bad rap the case against diddy, a new series from abc audio. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. If you want tools that stand the test of time without testing your wallet, harbor freight is the place for you. Expert engineers design and rigorously test harbor freight tools to bring you top quality. Whether your next project is big or small, harbor freight carries a wide selection, from hand tools to power tools to automotive tools and welding equipment. And with prices lower than other top brands, but with the same top quality, you're getting more for your money at harbor freight. There are over 1, 500 Harbor Freight stores in the u. S. So come see for yourself. Whatever you do, do it for less at harbor freight. With that being said, that was a pundit.

[Tone]

She put her pundit hat on.

[Pat McAfee]

It's always tough for the insiders.

[AJ Hawk]

Hey, the goal post got me. The goal post got me. No joke. I was like, I don't know how they're gonna do it. It's gonna obstruct some views from people in the end zone. I don't know how the ball maybe block a few extra things, but hey, why not?

[Pat McAfee]

Like, I'll go watch the thing I was thinking is that thing was a little bit wider. You know what? But what if they have palm trees that go in? Yeah, I don't want that. You got to make sure those palm trees are going out. You know, we need to keep the top clip tight. You ever see those? Sell seats.

[AJ Hawk]

Sell seats on the crossbar, too. Make it wide so people can sit there and watch the game. It's like the camera. If the ball hits them, it's good.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I like that. And people can actually bat it in.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, they could hang underneath like a roller coaster.

[AJ Hawk]

Like bitter pong hits the rim.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom. Knock it out, bat it in. It's not a bad idea. I mean, are we trying to get people to the game or not? Are we trying to grow the game or not?

[Darius Butler]

Are we?

[AJ Hawk]

This isn't pitbull stadium, is it?

[Ty Schmidt]

No, it's FIU. Right.

[AJ Hawk]

FIU. Correct.

[Darius Butler]

Miami.

[Ty Schmidt]

Because he's Mr. Worldwide for the international universe.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Pitbull stad stadium got an addition to the thunderdome. AJ I don't know if you saw it on the wide shot. If. I don't know if it was Here yesterday when you were here. I have no idea. No.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, no. This was coming like this was on the way. I didn't get to see it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's the puncher power thing.

[AJ Hawk]

You guys been doing it hit it.

[Pat McAfee]

A couple times this morning. Bruce, who is a trained boxer, if you do recall.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Hit a 921 on that thing. I was not here for it, but he had to give it a good thump. I banged it a little bit. I'm a little worried, though. I'm a little worried. It might be 11, but we're gonna have to reset it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, hit 18 something. Let's say hit 19 something. And then I really laid into it. I mean, there was. The last one was by far the cleanest. Rattle and put full ass into it. And it was like 801 or like lowest. And I'm like, oh, can't have that.

[AJ Hawk]

Get. Get that thing calibrated.

[Pat McAfee]

Needs to be calibrated.

[AJ Hawk]

Can you kick it? Can you get your leg up there? Anyone kick it?

[Darius Butler]

That'd be smart read right now.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Darius Butler]

I think it's currently calibrated, right?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it looks like it is.

[Pat McAfee]

It's been dancing this whole time. I know it's. It needs to figure it out. It looks cool, though.

[Boston Connor]

It does look cool.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Sweet kicking. It's going to be tough, I think, unless you do one. Also, in my algorithm, as of late, I think it's karate. They go through the boards.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Where they run.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Get tossed. Yep. And then they land it. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

They get tossed.

[Pat McAfee]

Toss. Lost.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, I haven't seen.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Grown up.

[Pat McAfee]

Galloping like a clean run, and then they catch somebody, and then boom, they're in the sky. They're doing.

[Tone]

I need your algorithm.

[Pat McAfee]

Four time. One of these.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Through a board that's being held, like, up on a pillar. So nasty.

[Ty Schmidt]

I've seen that. Nuts.

[Pat McAfee]

Because I was.

[Darius Butler]

I didn't see that.

[Pat McAfee]

I was. You know, I've said this before, but back in the day, you had a friend that knew karate. You were okay in most places. You know, but now with the mixed martial arts thing, you know, the karate one one, he's gonna need more. We're gonna need more than just karate. Really?

[Darius Butler]

I don't know. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Jiu jitsu guy will get you down.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I'll take a jiu jitsu, Taekwondo black belt.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What you're saying is all the other ones.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, karate. Good to have in the arsenal. Back pocket can. Hey.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, until you go to the.

[AJ Hawk]

Ground, though, that's not. Karate's not gonna help you on the ground.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I'm worried about the. The mma. Yeah. Because they're going down the bottom and you're going through that board in there. I think karate good to have with you. Sure. But I. I think you need more. I. What I'm saying is, if I got a black belt and karate with me, I'm pumped to be with a ninja. But I do know that if we get to somebody that has ground and pound capabilities, we're both okay. Now if karate person also has ground and pound, another belt. Now we're greats. Need multiple belts now to be completely safe in a lot of places. But with that being said, when I saw the flying karate kicks. We're back.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because you know the call flyer, you want to go ground and pound. If you got a karate friend, you need to take it to the sky.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So that is what I learned from my algo. And you just gotta have strategies. You gotta know where you're at, you gotta know who you're with. Got a karate guy start practicing this one.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

If you get his ass up in the sky, from what I have seen, like a cat land on their feet. And while in sky precision, you got a chance.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

And it's loud, too. There's a lot of yelling.

[Boston Connor]

Very loud.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm sure it has a lot of good carryover in any real combat situation.

[Pat McAfee]

Does guy up on a. A ledge at a bar.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Throws a bottle down at you. Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

You dodge bottle, obviously, because you're with a guy who knows karate and he has the seventh sense.

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

To let you know that that's the case, you turn, you see him, he goes, what? Your karate friend? Hi, King. You assemble. Okay. You in the lads, put your drinks down for a second. You're not throwing bottles back, obviously, but karate guy, karate friend, karate man runs. You cheerleader toss up. And that guy up on the bar goes from this to that, and he's out. And that's. Hey, now we're doing two story fighting. And that's what it's like when you're in the sky with a karate guy.

[Darius Butler]

Need that animated right there.

[AJ Hawk]

Now I'm rethinking it. You're right.

[Pat McAfee]

The issue is, if you don't have a ground in power, Ponder, you do have to go to places that have two stories.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's a big part of the group.

[AJ Hawk]

Only two story places can't be at.

[Pat McAfee]

One of those bars. No. That has a real low roof. No, no. That is not where you want to be. We're good news.

[AJ Hawk]

We are screwed.

[Ty Schmidt]

Every Karate High flyer knows ground and pounder. So it's like they're basically a package deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, you better hope so. If not, need to stay on the lower level of a multi level level bar.

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Because they're never going to expect no coming out.

[AJ Hawk]

But what if he's like. What if he's on the third story and he jumps down to the first and kicks him from there? Doesn't need boosted.

[Pat McAfee]

Is he. Are we fighting a Karate Kid as well? We didn't know that was.

[AJ Hawk]

No. Our Karate Kid. Our Karate Kid sees our target down the first level. He's on the third level, jumps off the balcony. He doesn't need your help to boost him doing that.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he's got his eyes. He's our spotter is what you're saying.

[AJ Hawk]

He's like our sniper. He's just Jack Ryan up in the tower.

[Ty Schmidt]

Then you become the filmer, the guy who's tossing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you need to get that on film.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I got the camera.

[Pat McAfee]

Then, yeah, I need to get that on film. Especially if guys coming down from three stories, 30ft. He comes through. Glides through the.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Maybe a front.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Lands it easy. There's like a parkour roll to land.

[Pat McAfee]

I do enjoy the parkour. That's been in my timeline too. I seen this guy do a. He did a double McTwisty sideways flip thing. A Benson boon, I'll call it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

He's doing a lot of those. This thing, two buildings.

[Tone]

Was it necessary?

[Pat McAfee]

No. Might have been 40, 50 full. I mean.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Just so casual. Jumping over. That's dead.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I think there was rocks. I think there was rocks on both sides. It's like, what are they? What's wrong with.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah, they die.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's when I.

[AJ Hawk]

It happens. No, no, but I'm saying those guys are unbelievable. They'll just jump super high and they have weight. Like they use their. Their body to like absorb the landing and then roll out of it. Like they're. They're freaks.

[Ty Schmidt]

They're legit.

[Tone]

They use it every day in everyday situations.

[Darius Butler]

I would.

[AJ Hawk]

Seems like it swords 4.

[Pat McAfee]

If you're a parkour guy.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, if I had that, it'd be.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Jackie Chan dude. Remember he used to get out of everywhere there was a wall. I don't think so. He saw stairs. Pump, pump, pump, pump, bang.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's the goat.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, him and Tom. Yeah, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Jack is still doing it.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah. He's in Karate Kid movies.

[AJ Hawk]

Coming killing it.

[Boston Connor]

Karate Kid Legends trailer actually dropped today.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you know the best thing about those Jackie Chan movies? We're all going to say it. The credits.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah. The out takes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Fact he did his own stunts.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Because the stunts.

[Ty Schmidt]

Never see Jackie Chan movie diva.

[Darius Butler]

I don't stay for the only. Stay for the credits. Marvel movie.

[Pat McAfee]

This is unbelievable.

[Boston Connor]

Respect Rush Hour.

[Ty Schmidt]

Just watch Rush Hour.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy disrespects every move. I watched Rush Hour the other day, too.

[Ty Schmidt]

I watched it this weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

It was on. Yes. Yeah. I loved it. I was trying to guess the. I was trying to guess the characters, like, do I still know cuz. Very early. There's a boat war fight.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Tone]

Junta.

[Pat McAfee]

First Jun. Yeah. Shows up with the hair. He goes, I'm looking for Junal. And then he goes, why are you looking for me? And then, boom, it's off.

[Boston Connor]

And I'm like, oh, yeah, we're back in it.

[Pat McAfee]

And I. I don't think my wife had seen Rush Hour, which was a full.

[Tone]

What are we doing here?

[Darius Butler]

Great move.

[Pat McAfee]

What conversation that happened between us. Had to pause it actually, to have a. How does that happen? How does that one slip through the cracks? We get there. I haven't seen a Disney movie, so I guess she had a lot to say back. We press play to that thing. I forgot.

[Boston Connor]

So good.

[Pat McAfee]

So that's. That's a good one.

[Boston Connor]

They're on Rush Hour 2 also holds up. Very good.

[Pat McAfee]

But you need to stay for the credits. I mean, that's.

[Ty Schmidt]

Remember, that's what they're all laughing at. Jackie and Jackie.

[AJ Hawk]

Why only the Marvel movie movies?

[Darius Butler]

Well, you got a Easter egg. Post. Post credits. You got to see what's. What's coming next.

[Ty Schmidt]

And they introduce different characters.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, they do.

[AJ Hawk]

Whose voice is that?

[Pat McAfee]

Some superhero fan. It sound like Cody Rhodes.

[Ty Schmidt]

Love me, basically.

[Pat McAfee]

Who was.

[AJ Hawk]

It was that shady who was running up and down giving spoilers for Marvel movies. He became my favorite human when I heard.

[Darius Butler]

I hated him on Twitter.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Hey.

[Pat McAfee]

I got to see Blank early. It was wild.

[Boston Connor]

Can't believe our man died. He said on, like, the Wednesday before the movie came out. And people were not happy.

[Ty Schmidt]

That happened to Hulk as well. Mark Ruffalo was doing an interview before the Infinity War. He's like, just wait. Everybody dies. And then he. Oh, was I not supposed to say that? Then they. They were not happy with it.

[Pat McAfee]

So now the superhero world is not as strong as it once was, though, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's Coming back.

[Pat McAfee]

It is.

[AJ Hawk]

Who is this with Earth?

[Pat McAfee]

That's a superhero.

[Tone]

They're bringing back all the main. All the main guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? Yeah. I saw a video the other day where they were just panning out.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, all the.

[Tone]

All the mains are coming back, guys.

[Ty Schmidt]

And they also made Iron Man a different character now. So Robert Downey Jr's back as well.

[Boston Connor]

He's a bad guy now.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dr. Doom, you could say.

[Pat McAfee]

Are they gonna bring. Are they. All right, Are they gonna bring.

[Tone]

What do you want to talk about? More Marvel Universe.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

I wasn't doing. I wasn't doing that.

[Tone]

Oh, I thought you were.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, that's unbelievable.

[Boston Connor]

What is this guy doing?

[Pat McAfee]

Rhodes dropped John Cena last night.

[Tone]

He did Cross was cooking fam.

[Darius Butler]

He was.

[Pat McAfee]

He was. He was burying.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I like how Cody did a little B rap.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course, I grew up in a trailer park. And yeah, he did My girl. He did the That.

[Darius Butler]

I like it.

[Ty Schmidt]

What were you going to say about Marvel?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, they should bring Snow White in.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, it turns out.

[Boston Connor]

What do you mean?

[Pat McAfee]

They spring. They should bring Zegler into one of these Marvel things.

[Tone]

Uhhuh.

[Pat McAfee]

And just have it happen.

[Ty Schmidt]

They canceled all her stuff, actually.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but that's what I'm saying. Well, could do it in a way, you know, if Disney owns Marvel. Yeah. Yeah. Disney could really get what they pay for out of street credit. Yeah. Get it. You know, drop. Drop her in a Marvel Universe. What's going on here? And somebody just. All right.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then just keep it walking. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

It's not a bad idea.

[Pat McAfee]

That'd be a good little self. I. I am. I am IMDb one point something. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

To be the biggest.

[Pat McAfee]

How is that?

[Boston Connor]

Well, I'm guessing that's a lot of people who haven't seen the movie, but they're not exactly okay with what's going on around the movie. So they just go around. I didn't say.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, this one.

[Boston Connor]

I think this is 0 out of.

[Pat McAfee]

10. Who gets to vote on those?

[Boston Connor]

Anybody?

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I thought that was potentially people that were.

[Boston Connor]

No, that happens a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

It's. It's the lowest score of all.

[AJ Hawk]

Snow White. Snow White. The new Snow White. Is that what you're talking about?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's not out yet.

[AJ Hawk]

What about Rotten Tomatoes? What have they done?

[Tone]

Let me look.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it was super juicy.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Why don't people like it? What happened?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, certified fresh. What happened?

[Ty Schmidt]

You know exactly what happened. And it does suck because those movies do do well.

[Tone]

Like always live 40 on.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that good? It's 40, dude.

[Boston Connor]

No, I'd be rotten. But it's not, you know, it's not terrible. It's not 1.7 bad.

[Pat McAfee]

I think. I think dropping Snow White in Marvel movie would be good. That'd be cool.

[Ty Schmidt]

Or like a John Wick. She just Ballerina killing a bunch of people.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, maybe.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, the count two is coming out. Ben Affleck, network looks good.

[Darius Butler]

Love the first one.

[AJ Hawk]

He was a killer sniper, mercenary type guy.

[Pat McAfee]

He had to do media for that. Was talking about a lot of things.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, he was.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't see that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, John Bernthal, let's go.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, John Bernthal's legit. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

There's another movie. Somebody's in that.

[Boston Connor]

We're Mobland, the TV show.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, there's another.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Bruce was talking about. Is that good?

[Boston Connor]

Pierce Brosnan have.

[Ty Schmidt]

Haven't watched yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, speaking of good, Jameis Winston, bat a thousand as New York Giants quarterback. We have a clip of him describing what life could be like if they play football.

[Darius Butler]

Well, winning for me, in the NFL.

[AJ Hawk]

It'S required for this organization to start winning, you know, so we can have more, more.

[Darius Butler]

More giggles, more laughter, more fun in this, in this building, like we.

[AJ Hawk]

In the biggest city of the world.

[Darius Butler]

We should enjoy that. And I think winning does that.

[AJ Hawk]

So when it comes to looking at their record, I didn't look at this team in a 3 and 14 team.

[Darius Butler]

I looked at what was possible. And what I saw was possible is an offense that can execute efficiently and that can be explosive.

[AJ Hawk]

I saw a defense with an incredible front. And I saw this offseason of them adding Paulson, Adibo and Javon Holland in the back end to create some noise.

[Darius Butler]

To help that front get home.

[AJ Hawk]

And I just figured that the Giants, man, they don't look like a 3, 4 team. From the talks of people talking about.

[Darius Butler]

I know Kayvon, I know Byron a little bit in Dex. Like, from their talks and their conversations, like, the locker room didn't seem like.

[AJ Hawk]

It was a 3 and 14 team. So this team is looking for a complete paradigm shift. This team is looking to make a splash, man. And there's no better place to do it with no greater calling to do it than right here in New York.

[Darius Butler]

City being a New York football giant.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell, yeah, he said that in New Jersey, obviously. But the point remains. Is there more giggles around the corner with a paradigm shift? Bruce Brown, noted New York Giants fan. More giggles, more laughter, more fun.

[Boston Connor]

I'm going to my third parade, boys.

[AJ Hawk]

I hope to see you all there. I can't wait. This fired me up. I absolutely love Jamis. I'm excited. Excited for Russ whenever he. He does his presser as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Just to see that dynamic.

[Boston Connor]

And then, you know, there was Shador.

[Pat McAfee]

Talking about it too, that he might be getting.

[AJ Hawk]

I think Dion said he might be.

[Pat McAfee]

Getting baptized pregame in the pregame speeches.

[AJ Hawk]

So things are looking up.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm fired up. As you should be. Hell yeah. Yankees still doing good?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, still undefeated. Had an off day yesterday. They got the Arizona dimebags coming to town tonight.

[Pat McAfee]

So you guys are already taking off days, huh? Wa t, I know that. I thought baseball was every day for 160.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, it was up to the Yankees. They'd play every day. They played 200 games, you know, but I don't know.

[Darius Butler]

A lot of people in those seats.

[Boston Connor]

That's a long flight for the Diamondbacks.

[Ty Schmidt]

A lot of people.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of people.

[AJ Hawk]

How many double headers they have now? Like, how many double headers will a team have?

[Boston Connor]

None. Unless there's like rain outs. Really?

[AJ Hawk]

They don't schedule them anymore.

[Boston Connor]

High school baseball.

[AJ Hawk]

Come on. Why not knock two out one day? Let's do it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Let's play two five inning games. It be nuts if there's a rain out. Maybe it says, says in 12 year old AAU baseball. We're not playing double headers. New York Yankees.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you want running clock too? In football? Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, no, not in football. But no, I. I tell you what, the old baseball double header, that's a great day for some people. Some people go to both games.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. A session. Maybe you could just get two games for one ticket. That'd be good for.

[AJ Hawk]

Then give them a day, day off the next day, obviously.

[Pat McAfee]

Let the boys rest. Just had two. What is the. Whenever there's a. A cancellation or a delay. Is it a shorter game or they play two nine inning games? No. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Two nine inning games.

[Pat McAfee]

Covid.

[Ty Schmidt]

They did the seven.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Correct. Yeah. To. To jam in 60 some games.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Did we like it better or no?

[Boston Connor]

No, no.

[Darius Butler]

When is John Carlos Stanton back?

[Boston Connor]

As soon as he can move his elbows. So we don't know. He's actually started picking up a bat and swinging it again, which is huge.

[Pat McAfee]

Two of them. Maybe he does two torpedo. Are you allowed to have two torpedo bats in the batter's box?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, you just gotta stay on the plate.

[Pat McAfee]

Having two of those would be sweet. I guess you'd want to swing those sideways.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So you get double the. You wouldn't want to swing those.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Would you be early, late?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if. Yeah. Would you want to be early and late or would you want to be side by side?

[AJ Hawk]

Would you want to early be late, really late?

[Pat McAfee]

Would you want to be bang pong like one of those.

[Boston Connor]

I think you like. You'd want to double stack them.

[Pat McAfee]

You want this number here, cuz.

[Boston Connor]

Guess what? You're making contact a whole hell of a lot right there.

[Pat McAfee]

So you're turning that thing sideways like that.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

You could also start like X here and then boom, boom, like that as well.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm standing behind home like this.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're starting them down here like this.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

And then you're coming out.

[Pat McAfee]

But what do you. Where you're like standing.

[Tone]

Might have to come.

[Darius Butler]

No, we're standing.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're standing on the plate, brother.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, just your meat right there in the stripes. Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're confident dude here and you're crossing them up.

[Boston Connor]

Yep. And then the only problem, if you don't make contact, you're either wearing 100 mile an hour fastball on the chin or to the tip of the penis.

[Ty Schmidt]

Take your base.

[Pat McAfee]

Listen, take your base. Yeah. My ops will be unbelievable. Right, Chess, the baseball needs to embrace the bait and let two torpedo bats be in one guy's hand one night. Let him try it one night.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bananas.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. Bananas.

[Boston Connor]

There we go. Let the bananas do it. Let those jerk offs do it. That's great.

[Pat McAfee]

Stadium. Have some respect.

[Boston Connor]

I. I have no ill will towards the ban.

[Tone]

Sounds like you do.

[Boston Connor]

Kind of in the moment, you know. Said, you know, cuz. Yeah. Their brain of baseball's got jerk off, jack off baseball. I. I get it. I get it.

[Pat McAfee]

How about when old guys. How about when they catch it through the legs?

[Boston Connor]

Some of the they do is wildly impressive. Like it. I mean it really is.

[Pat McAfee]

Cuz there's no way they can like set anything up, right?

[Boston Connor]

Not really. I mean you're. It's like it's a live baseball game. It's not. It's pretty tough to.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, those MLB pitchers are so locked this in. They need so many breaths. They need their entire thing. I'm watching these bananas pitchers and they're doing full. Hey, boom. Banging it, banging strikes. And then they're coming in there right into it and 12 to 6.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Break it off. Banana. Guy breaks his guy comes in with two. What are those stilts on two stilts in this backflip pitcher. And then he's throwing the underhanded the other way straight. I mean, I mean I don't know how These guys aren't getting looks first of all.

[Boston Connor]

Well, that's cuz these guys are throwing about 84 miles an hour.

[Pat McAfee]

What he's about to do. Look at, look at the ump.

[AJ Hawk]

Even the refs even bopping a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Uhhuh.

[AJ Hawk]

Is that ref 7 foot 3.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's part of the show.

[Pat McAfee]

And hold it straight. That was a foul. That was a foul.

[Boston Connor]

I did it again. Right?

[Pat McAfee]

That was a lot.

[Ty Schmidt]

Don't love the ump.

[Tone]

No, he's a part of it.

[Pat McAfee]

That's dancing up. He's got good, good moxy.

[Ty Schmidt]

The dump.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, cuz I. I did a Monday night raw at Savannah, Georgia and some of the ban. Yeah, he caught it and look, he just threw it under his leg. Double. Yes.

[Ty Schmidt]

That was this guy.

[Pat McAfee]

He did this one right here.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, you're right.

[Ty Schmidt]

How slow is that?

[Pat McAfee]

Behind the back. Bang through the legs. Double play. Savanny Bananis.

[Boston Connor]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they're doing he.

[Boston Connor]

I agree.

[AJ Hawk]

Is that art ninja at first base? He's wearing a full face mask thing.

[Boston Connor]

I mean he can't be. He got kids in the crowd.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Sexualized baseball. They definitely can't be doing play. Yeah, what a play. Oh, give me that.

[Darius Butler]

He says they were losing too.

[Tone]

Yeah, they were down the bananas.

[Boston Connor]

They're a good team.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

But because they did the behind the back snag in between the legs throw, they got five runs in one.

[Pat McAfee]

Which they should. Which maybe MLB should think about maybe instituting some of the banana rules.

[Boston Connor]

We got the torpedo bats. Let's keep the Mickey mouse for the Savannah bananas. They could keep dancing and waving their poopers everywhere and you know, grabbing their penises. After the.

[Pat McAfee]

Dancing ump though I will say he was right behind me for raw.

[Tone]

Yeah, he's got it.

[Boston Connor]

I bet.

[Pat McAfee]

There he is.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I don't mind this guy. He's got good swag. Panache.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Bringing the boom out.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm out on the dump. What?

[Ty Schmidt]

I like the players.

[Pat McAfee]

He's not a dumpire. He is the dancing umpire.

[Ty Schmidt]

Which is the dump.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, look. Let's kind of get this game reined in a little bit. Dancing. I'm said you got it.

[Ty Schmidt]

The dump is a big time.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at me if running this show.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

If I've ever seen.

[AJ Hawk]

Professional salsa dancer.

[Ty Schmidt]

Making it about himself. Himself.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he's passing time. Another pitcher's warming up.

[Ty Schmidt]

We're here to watch. And the party nut jobs. We're not here to watch the dump.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he's got to have eyes all over the park. Somebody catches it it's an act.

[Boston Connor]

That's a good point.

[Pat McAfee]

In the stands.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. I can end the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody thinks this umpire is making a joke of the game. Instead, he's hard. He's got a harder job than these doing the mlb.

[Ty Schmidt]

I disagree.

[Pat McAfee]

What you. He's got to pay attention to the dance moves.

[Tone]

He is.

[Pat McAfee]

The show, he thinks is. They don't have the box to tell him if it's a strike or a ball. He's got to call that thing freehand.

[Ty Schmidt]

They don't have strikes and balls, I thought. But it was like, misses and almost hit it.

[Pat McAfee]

Something.

[Darius Butler]

Something like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, on that note, I think we're done here.

[AJ Hawk]

We need to go to a game. Anyone? Anyone in there? Been to a game?

[Boston Connor]

M. Went to the whole three set. Ran the bases afterwards.

[Ty Schmidt]

Spent the whole weekend with the game winner. But it hit him right in the mouth. He lost two teeth.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why he talks the way he does. See? Hey. How was it, Z? It was a good show, wasn't it? Yeah, it was absolutely amazing. It's a good show. It was so, like, no seat empty. It's insane. I got respect. I got respect for the show they put on.

[AJ Hawk]

Kids will love it. Trust me. Like, yeah, kids would absolutely love it.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, it's like Horm Globe drivers, but for baseball. Yeah, exactly.

[Darius Butler]

It's cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Sold out. A. Sold out a football stadium. No. Yeah. What they.

[Boston Connor]

What they do is wildly impressive. It is. It's just like, I love baseball. Rather go watch a regular baseball game than all that.

[Pat McAfee]

Is it all ex college baseball guys? Mostly.

[Boston Connor]

I think, because you still like some of these guys like you. You can't just be, like, a scrub. I mean, they still got guys throwing, you know, it's still like a decent baseball product. Yeah. Like, so. Yeah. I don't think they have any, you know, beer league guys out there. It's mostly guys who probably played, like, high D1 baseball.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe they should test out some stuff for the mlb.

[Boston Connor]

I don't think so. We got the Torpedo bats right now. I think that's. That's a good start.

[Darius Butler]

I see one pitcher pitching from both sides.

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Darius Butler]

Seattle.

[Boston Connor]

Yep.

[Darius Butler]

That was crazy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Did he make the team?

[Boston Connor]

I don't know if he made the team. I'm not sure he had the glove.

[Pat McAfee]

That was able to get on both hands. Dual web. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Something like 95. Both sides.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Love that.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

He was crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

What? He would have to deem it before each batter.

[Boston Connor]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

In between pitches.

[AJ Hawk]

You can switch.

[Boston Connor]

He could, but it'd be mostly like you know, if a left lefty was up, he'd probably pitch left handed. If a righty was up, he'd throw right handed.

[Pat McAfee]

But in middle of count, can he switch?

[Boston Connor]

He could, yeah. He could throw left, right, left, right, left, right. Every pitch if he wanted to, that'd be so.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the Savannah Bananis need him.

[Boston Connor]

They do.

[Darius Butler]

He needs to reset the market.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, sh Was supposed to do it, but they won't let him pitch because he's too good of a hitter.

[AJ Hawk]

He could pitch back to back days. If you're going right, righty, lefty, couldn't you?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

If he's say this day, I'm pitching righty on Monday. On Tuesday, I'm pitching lefty, I'm going complete game both days.

[Darius Butler]

Double Tommy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, your back wouldn't hurt at all.

[Darius Butler]

Now you, Giancarlo on the mound.

[Pat McAfee]

Double Tommy. Is this the guy? Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

This guy is this old or he did make.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, this, this was. This is the same clip I saw. So he threw that one lefty right.

[Pat McAfee]

This is preseason. Bottom of the fifth here.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Five, two, they're down. Switched the glove over to the other hand. Now he's a right.

[AJ Hawk]

Let's see.

[Pat McAfee]

Is this live action or is this preseason?

[Boston Connor]

No, I think this was spring training, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, this is spring training. This is a clip I saw.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

So now he's just right.

[AJ Hawk]

Where's it. Why is it spring training? Kind of cold. Where are they? Arizona.

[Pat McAfee]

So he's supposed to.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pretty sick. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that'd be fun to be able to do. That'd be cool.

[AJ Hawk]

I grew up with a kid on my travel baseball team that did that, Matt.

[Boston Connor]

Literally out of nowhere. Like out of out of nowhere.

[Pat McAfee]

You okay?

[Boston Connor]

Nah.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, no.

[Boston Connor]

I'm just waiting to see. I don't know if we're taking a break. I don't know. But I am going to poop my pig.

[Pat McAfee]

Like this is all right. Ty if I make this? Okay. Oh, no.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, no, make it.

[Darius Butler]

Make it.

[AJ Hawk]

Shoot one.

[Pat McAfee]

Tell them, hey, actually go punch one.

[Darius Butler]

Punch one.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Punch one.

[Darius Butler]

What did he eat this? What did he eat this morning?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I don't know.

[Ty Schmidt]

He had a kid, Noodles and Company, and he had a jumbo coffee, so.

[Pat McAfee]

Jumbo coffee. But this is normally from last night. This is normally. Yeah, the one in the middle of the show is normally last night. It at my bladder up. You see? Keenan responded. Keenan said, I don't know what that was all about. He said, give me God's country. As if we're not under the Umbrella of God. I'm here. It's like maybe he was just saying, give me home.

[Tone]

Oh, like from Kenny to Kell.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's. He's been on SNL for what, 30 years?

[Ty Schmidt]

A long time.

[Pat McAfee]

He's been the longest, for sure.

[AJ Hawk]

He said Morgan didn't. He didn't want to go to the after party.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think Morgan just saw the exit and was. Well, they said he's been on the show before, and last time he did not do that. I was like, okay, well, I didn't remember that or no.

[Ty Schmidt]

Home to his boy.

[Darius Butler]

Can you.

[Pat McAfee]

He's got a little baby boy. He's got baby. Got a boy. Okay. Got a little bit of heat. Not heat. Got a little bit of a situation brewing. Jerry Jones at the owner's meeting said, you know, he's not worried about the contract with Micah Parsons. Then there was a report that there was a contract offered to Micah Parsons. Clarence Hill Jr. Jerry Jones, with blatant disrespect to Micah Parsons agent, David Mulaguetta. The agent is not a concern here. I don't know his name. Willaguetta is one of the best and most respected agents in the NFL. Of course it is. Let's scroll up here. Now to the response here from Micah Facts. David is the best, and I will not be doing any deal without Mulaguetta involved. Like anyone with good sense, I hired experts for a reason. There's no one I trust more when it comes to negotiating contracts than David. There will be no backdoors in his contract negotiation because allegedly Jerry had been talking to Micah and his agent was involved. His agent being Mulaguetta. Jerry saying he. He doesn't know the name of his agent is interesting because Mulgeta, he's the one. Every position group, basically, he's the one that has the biggest contract at that position group. He was the one behind the desean Watson deal. He was one behind both DB deals that got signed this particular offseason, I believe. Wide receiver, you go through it, Mulligeth is the guy. He is an absolute dog hog when it comes to this. There's a little heat. Jerry Jones saying, I don't know this guy's name.

[Tone]

That's crazy.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, that is. And him even being offered the contract behind the agents back. If that's true, I don't. You know, let's hope this isn't an April 1st type situation. Doesn't look like it. But that. That's wild. And then to say you don't know the agent I believe he's been repping Micah for at least a couple years now. Because I can remember off season where him and Stroud were doing some offseason.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly. Like.

[Darius Butler]

Like, how would you know?

[Ty Schmidt]

Does he have CD or Trevon Diggs or.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm looking.

[Tone]

Right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like any of those, I would assume. Even if he's one.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Even if he didn't know, like, Jerry Jones. Like, yeah, you know, Jerry's letting him.

[AJ Hawk]

Know, hey, I'm in charge here, bud.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I've been in the league a lot longer than this. David Fell, we know Jerry, so that's good. Anytime that type of pops off, that's Cowboys, you know, that's classic. That's good. But this is just like T. Higgins put a cap thing out there, you know, Remember Duke at the combine said that ideally, we'll get this and Jamar Chase will be the highest paid non and we want this. And then somebody put a tweet out saying, cap Miles Garrett wanted out, he didn't want in there. And then money comes around, then it all gets sorted. And Micah Parsons has always wanted to be a cowboy, even whenever he was a kid.

[Darius Butler]

That's what. Yep, that's what'll happen here. He'll get 40.2 a year and reset the market again.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think Jerry said something along the lines of. Of I don't care if I have to pay more. I just want to get it right. Something along those lines. Jerry is one that normally has to pay more because he delays in delays in delays, and then inevitably a deal gets done. Did it with Dak, did it with cd. I assume there's others just within the last year that has taken place. And Micah will probably be the next one on the board to get that done. With Miles Garrett signing the deal that he signed, obviously that affects a lot of people. Trey Hendrickson, T.J. watt, Micah Parsons. A lot of people that get to the quarterback for a living are now wondering, well, what's. What's my number going to be? Have we heard anything about T.J. watt and the Pittsburgh Steelers? Now?

[Tone]

They. They talked about it. They were asked about at the league meetings, and they said they want TJ to be a one helmet player. And then it'll get done. And it feels like there's. There's not really a super rush right now, but it. It'll get done.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And Trey Hendrickson, what's going on there, A.J. do you know anything in Ohio? What's going on?

[AJ Hawk]

I do not know. I definitely think TJ they have to get that Done. But with Trey, I don't feel as confident that the Bengals are going to bring him back if they're going to find a way.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I don't. It got. Got quiet.

[AJ Hawk]

It's weird. Yeah.

[Tone]

We're in a quiet period.

[Ty Schmidt]

The last one that was after.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, Trey deserves a bunch of money, so, like, they. They. They want. Like, they.

[Darius Butler]

For sure.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Rightfully so. He. He wants a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

Thirty years old, last big one, you know, last opportunity for a big contract probably. I mean, who knows? Maybe four years from now when he's 34. He's still going as strong as he is right now, but he's coming fresh off the Sack King title, 30 years old. And I think what he told us was been delaying this now for multiple years to kind of hopefully get a deal done. Hopefully, they're able to do that. You know, Cincinnati's paying folks. They're figuring it out. Teddy Keshe. That's good, right? We like that.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I love Ted.

[Darius Butler]

It's cool.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's the man.

[Pat McAfee]

He's hilarious.

[AJ Hawk]

That clip of him at the. At the parade deal, when they trying to get him to cry about football or something. Emotional about the Reds opening day, like, his answer. Yeah. Ted is always awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Ted, you know, you come here a couple years ago, now you're in a parade, and you know you're giving back a lot to the city. Do you get a little bit emotional whenever you think about it all? Yeah, I get emotional and pumped up. It's a Reds. We need a big win. Just like constant. Good vibe. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Great merch, too.

[Darius Butler]

The.

[Ty Schmidt]

The Cincy red stuff that he has.

[Pat McAfee]

The Cincy hat. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

The hats.

[Pat McAfee]

There he is. Laser bed.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

You're gonna make it to a Reds game, A.J.

[Pat McAfee]

You should take a swing.

[AJ Hawk]

I sure hope so. Yes, I will.

[Darius Butler]

There we go.

[Pat McAfee]

Ty Schmidt, fresh out of a dump. Make sure you hit close to where the black pad is at above the ball there. You're gonna want to hit. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you hit low, it's not gonna go great. Great. You hit high. It's going to hurt. Fresh out of a dump. I'm going to say pretty good. That was a great punch.

[AJ Hawk]

Whoa, baby.

[Darius Butler]

Nice 833.

[Pat McAfee]

Good work.

[AJ Hawk]

Who got 921? No, it's Bruce. Bruce. Lefty got that 921.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bruce May.

[Darius Butler]

I didn't see big body Bruce.

[AJ Hawk]

I would love to see Bruce throw a punch left handed like that. He. I know. He's got a.

[Darius Butler]

He's got a.

[AJ Hawk]

They call him Frank.

[Darius Butler]

It was righty I do think I.

[AJ Hawk]

Could get a left. Left hook up there too, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, we got time. We got time with this thing. Let's not just wear it out. Day one. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's get the hell out of here. It's been a hell of a day, Ty. How was the dump? Pretty good, pal.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, it kind of sounded like I just lit off a. A book of black cats.

[Pat McAfee]

Sure.

[Boston Connor]

So it was quick, but it was.

[AJ Hawk]

I got it.

[Pat McAfee]

It's pretty explosive.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, sure, I've been there.

[Pat McAfee]

Not M. 80s, no black cats. Yeah, certainly. What happened here? You got through that?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, shiitake mushrooms. This morning we're playing. No games.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so you think it was a shiitake mushroom? I didn't know if it was last night's operation.

[Boston Connor]

No, no, no.

[Pat McAfee]

Certainly not last night. You ate something that was.

[Boston Connor]

Didn't have anything less. And I'm kind of a one meal a day guy now.

[Pat McAfee]

Really.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, whenever you lose it that quickly, though, you might need to re. Replenish.

[Boston Connor]

Well, I should have known. I haven't had noodles in quite some time and. And, you know, some of those more exotic dishes, if you will. Yeah, noodles do that sometimes. You know, a lot of. A lot of sesame seeds in there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Spices.

[Boston Connor]

A lot of different spices. You know, I don't exactly know what sauce they have on there. Probably some peanut oil, some, you know, chili powder, that kind of stuff.

[Ty Schmidt]

Cayenne pepper.

[Boston Connor]

Cayenne pepper, maybe. And then, of course.

[Tone]

Is that the accent?

[Pat McAfee]

Have we got any gator?

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't think you've gotten any gator.

[Darius Butler]

Definitely full of. I knew he was.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, wow.

[Ty Schmidt]

You better watch your.

[Pat McAfee]

Bruce is saying. We did. We did. Jeff Landry sent some gator up.

[Darius Butler]

I take it back. I take it back. Yeah, we got gator fillets in the freezer.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeff Landry did do one. We got gator fl. Jeff Landry did one of these.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes. You all love the gator, but I.

[Darius Butler]

Don'T think you will, boy.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think so.

[Boston Connor]

You don't know nothing about that black sh. Defense, boy.

[Pat McAfee]

Nebraska. Yeah, that was an interesting.

[AJ Hawk]

You probably don't. Hey, enough with the accent, Hulk Hogan.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, what about. That was a whole. Another.

[AJ Hawk]

What you say about Hulk Hogan? What are you talking about him?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Hulk hogan, there's some. There's another. Anytime people start doing this one here, you know, there's a. It's an interesting timing. Okay. Oh, you put yourself. I can't wait to have that gator.

[Ty Schmidt]

Can't wait.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't wait to have that, G. Had a couple bison burgers. Oh, the other day.

[Boston Connor]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

It's good. Pretty good.

[Tone]

It's good lean meat.

[Pat McAfee]

The beast. The beef. Sorry, the Sunday beef roast over there in England was really good. They had the carrots in there and green peas.

[Tone]

Roast beast.

[Pat McAfee]

The roast beast. Yeah. You know, I don't know if they have steak knives over.

[Boston Connor]

Really?

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Ty Schmidt]

You have to use swords or their teeth.

[Tone]

Well.

[Pat McAfee]

Whatever the case, the butter knife that I had sure was just ragdolling this beef. I mean, it was. It was like I was just rolling this thing back and forth. But once I ate it, it was so good, you know? It was. It was delicious. Shout out to England. Shout out to Scotland. Shout out to WWE that was hell of a night. And shout out to all you boys. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. What's happening tonight? A lot of big stuff tonight. Let's make sure we pay attention.

[Ty Schmidt]

Got some basketball, got some hockey. Oveskin continuing his run to the goal record. They're playing the Bruins, so I would expect the Capitals to. Maybe Oves can put in two or three, perhaps.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that all about? You just got shot out by Lucic.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Luch, my guy. Of course. But unfortunately we're. We're live way from Milan Lucic, you know, kind of patrolling the ice, you know, right now we're in a. Officially. Hey, we're on the next season. Let's go, Celtics.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, aren't the Bruins doing good still? Are the Bruins good or no? I think they lost eight straight.

[Tone]

They're so after.

[Pat McAfee]

After the hockey gods because of the trade of Marshawn.

[Ty Schmidt]

So after Marshy got traded, we go on. We beat the Panthers without Marsh.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell of a win.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's not on either side. And then the hockey gods said, okay, now it's time to bury the hatchet. Let's go, Celtics. NBA playoffs start next week.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats to you guys. Next week. Pacers are hot. Down 16 last night against the Kings. And Tyrese and the boys lead a massive comeback.

[Darius Butler]

NBA playoffs next week.

[Ty Schmidt]

I believe the playing. I believe the last day of the regular season is Tuesday. And then the play in game starts. Oh, maybe Thursday or Friday.

[Pat McAfee]

Big night out. Next Wednesday.

[Ty Schmidt]

The Masters next week. Weekend.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We're here.

[Darius Butler]

Let's go.

[Pat McAfee]

We did it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. GL we're talking baseball this week, right, boys?

[Pat McAfee]

I think we're going to keep talking baseball, don't you think?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I think we might. The Reds dominating.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Are they?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You saw the clips from last night?

[Pat McAfee]

Four. Four hits two home runs.

[Boston Connor]

That's right.

[AJ Hawk]

For Carrie Francona at the helm. Are you kidding me? Teaser will get the boys going.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm going to try. I'll tell you that much. I will genuinely try. Red Sox is supposed to be good.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, where's my baseball? Baseball highlights in there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Homers, homers, homers, homers.

[Pat McAfee]

Torpedo bats. Easy Gold gloves.

[Ty Schmidt]

Torpedo bats Might send you some other things.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't send me any penises. All right, we're back tomorrow. Great work. I just told it on to It'll listen conversation.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

No penises.

[Pat McAfee]

It hurt me. All right. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team goodbye. Hey, I'm Brad Milkey.

[Boston Connor]

You may know me as the host.

[Pat McAfee]

Of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here.

[Tone]

But I'd like to add aspiring true.

[Pat McAfee]

Crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Happen.

[Tone]

Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.

[Boston Connor]

ABC's got some unique access here, so.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime.

[Tone]

Stories you've been hearing about.

[Pat McAfee]

Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.