PMS 2.0 1338 - HOLY SHITE THURSDAY With Quentin Richardson, Ian Rapoport, Peter Schrager, Utah Jazz and Utah Mammoth Owner Ryan Smith, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show – Episode PMS 2.0 1338 - HOLY SHITE THURSDAY

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Pat McAfee Show
• Host/Author: Pat McAfee, ESPN
• Description: Join Pat McAfee, AJ Hawk, the Toxic Table, and Tone Digs Monday-Friday as they tackle the biggest news in sports. Former Pro Bowl punter McAfee and his friends combine insider expertise, insightful perspectives, and relatable ridiculousness to deliver one-of-a-kind entertainment.
• Episode: PMS 2.0 1338 - HOLY SHITE THURSDAY With Quentin Richardson, Ian Rapoport, Peter Schrager, Utah Jazz and Utah Mammoth Owner Ryan Smith, & AJ Hawk
• Release Date: May 8, 2025

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Introduction: Setting the Stage [00:00 - 01:29]

Pat McAfee kicks off the episode by welcoming listeners to the "Thunderdome" on what he dubs "Holy Shite Thursday." This moniker stems from a series of surprising sports upsets occurring across various leagues:

• Knicks up 20 points over the Celtics
• Pacers up 2 over the top-seeded Cavaliers
• Maple Leafs up 20 over the Florida Panthers
• George Pickens now with the Dallas Cowboys

Pat humorously highlights the unexpected nature of these results, setting an energetic and engaging tone for the episode.

NBA Playoff Upsets and Insights [01:30 - 29:31]

Highlighting Tyrese Haliburton and the Indiana Pacers [01:30 - 07:13]

AJ Hawk and Pat discuss Tyrese Haliburton's impressive performance, countering recent critiques by the New York Times Athletic. Pat marvels at Haliburton's evolution, stating, "Halliburton was voted the most overrated player in the NBA... What has he done since then? Oh, just big ball all over everybody. Holy shite." [01:30] He emphasizes Haliburton's impact on the Pacers, suggesting that Indiana could be the hottest team in the NBA, potentially leading to a parade-worthy season.

Knicks vs. Celtics Series Breakdown [07:14 - 30:18]

Connor and Ty Schmidt delve into the Knicks' surprising victories over the Celtics, both games where the Knicks overcame significant point deficits:

• Game 1: Knicks up 20, Celtics collapse with 6 minutes left, missing crucial free throws and field goals.
• Game 2: Similar pattern with Jalen Brunson leading the charge.

Notable Quotes:

• "Jalen Brunson has been voted the clutch player in the NBA." [05:52]
• "Watching a New York sports team since 2007... it's been a long time." [06:50]

Pat praises the Knicks' resilience and Brunson's leadership, noting the shift in New York's sports enthusiasm, with the city visibly celebrating the Knicks' success.

Celtics' Decline Under Pressure [07:13 - 30:18]

Peter Schrager and Pat critique the Celtics' inability to maintain leads, citing missed three-point attempts and defensive lapses:

• Missed 45+ open threes: "They missed an immense amount of 3.5 shots." [07:45]
• Defensive struggles: "Six minutes straight with no field goals." [08:54]

They draw parallels to the Celtics' previous playoff performances, expressing skepticism about Boston's ability to recover and sustain their dominance.

NHL Playoff Excitement and Team Dynamics [30:19 - 43:04]

Capitals vs. Hurricanes and Oilers vs. Golden Knights [10:27 - 12:56]

Evan and Ryan Smith discuss recent NHL playoff developments:

• Capitals vs. Hurricanes: Hurricanes take a commanding series lead after a Game 1 comeback.
• Oilers vs. Golden Knights: Oilers rebound from an initial deficit to win Game 1 decisively.

Notable Quotes:

• "Canes up 10 in the series because of Stankovin's two goals." [10:50]
• "Stoner was just so hot." [12:00]

Ryan highlights the strategic trades and player performances, emphasizing the Hurricanes' momentum and the Oilers' resurgence as key factors in their respective series.

NFL Trade News: George Pickens to Dallas Cowboys [43:07 - 50:38]

Trade Breakdown and Implications [43:07 - 50:38]

Pat McAfee elaborates on the significant NFL trade: George Pickens has been traded from the Pittsburgh Steelers to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a 2026 third-round pick and a 2027 fifth-round pick. The conversation touches on:

• Steeler's Strategy: Moving on from Pickens due to contract considerations and team dynamics.
• Cowboys' Opportunity: Potential for Pickens to flourish in a new environment alongside Dak Prescott.

Notable Quotes:

• "George Pickens is a dog. Whenever he's on the field, everything else." [04:05]
• "If George can lock in, he's a game-breaker." [19:38]

Ryan Smith expresses optimism about the trade, seeing it as a fresh start for Pickens and a strategic move for the Cowboys to bolster their receiving corps.

Special Segment: Election of a New Pope [50:38 - 158:58]

Unprecedented Events and Humorous Reactions [50:38 - 146:20]

In a surprising turn, the hosts shift focus to global news—the election of a new Pope, whom they humorously dub "Pope Leo." The discussion covers:

• Announcement Process: The 133 cardinal electors vote, and "white smoke" signals a new Pope.
• Hosts' Banter: Lighthearted jokes about the Pope's potential personality, attire, and the ceremonial aspects of his inauguration.

Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee: "So he's gonna be here. They're gonna have that empty window." [20:10]
• AJ Hawk: "He will be an excellent speaker and representative." [23:27]
• Ryan Smith: "The survey process was highly interactive, and the fans ran with the 'Mammoth' motto." [112:47]

The hosts create a playful narrative around the Pope's emergence, blending genuine curiosity with comedic elements. They also speculate on the potential cultural impacts and the integration of American flair into traditional Catholic ceremonies.

Owner Insights: Ryan Smith on Utah Jazz and Mammoth [50:38 - 146:20]

Building the Utah Mammoth [50:38 - 124:03]

Ryan Smith, owner of the Utah Jazz and the newly established Utah Mammoth (NHL team), shares his journey:

• Naming Process: Engaged fans through extensive digital polling, resulting in the "Mammoth" name—symbolizing strength and unity.
• Brand Identity: Emphasizes the Mammoth as a representation of Utah's rugged and resilient spirit.

Notable Insights:

• "We have nothing resembling a small market. Utah's a top-three tech economy with 7 million visitors annually." [150:04]
• "Collaboration between NBA and NHL teams under the same ownership enhances strategic planning and brand synergy." [131:35]

Utah Jazz Performance and Future Prospects [146:20 - 147:54]

Ryan discusses the Utah Jazz's challenging season but remains optimistic about the team's future:

• Draft Prospects: With a 14% chance at the number one overall pick, the Jazz aim to bolster their roster through strategic drafting.
• Coaching Philosophy: Trust in head coach Will Hardy's long-term vision despite tough seasons.

Notable Quotes:

• Ryan Smith: "We're given the best, we're ready to roll." [135:48]
• Pat McAfee: "If this goes in, I win." [112:36]

Lighthearted Banter and Technical Glitches [43:04 - 175:00]

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in playful banter, humorous anecdotes, and address technical issues:

• Golf Lesson with Ian Rapoport: A comedic exchange about fixing a slice in golf.
• Popemobile Jokes: Speculating humorously about the Pope's transportation.
• Technical Difficulties: Moments where guest speakers get cut off or frozen on-air, adding to the show's lively atmosphere.

Notable Interactions:

• Pat McAfee: "So he's gonna go remix. We are elsewhere." [20:21]
• Ryan Smith: "We're going to create immersive experiences like concerts in the arena." [127:43]

Conclusion: Celebrating Sports and Unexpected Events [157:00 - 162:45]

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the day's events:

• Celebration of Pope Leo: Congratulations are extended humorously to the new Pope, blending sports enthusiasm with global news.
• Upcoming Sports Events: Preview of tonight's games featuring the Warriors vs. Timberwolves and Hurricanes vs. Capitals.

Final Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee: "Everyone's talking about 'Pope Leo,' and we're here celebrating it." [161:58]
• Ryan Smith: "Mammoth branding was well received, reflecting Utah's strong community spirit." [112:47]

The episode concludes with a blend of sincere sports analysis, lighthearted humor, and engagement with unexpected global events, embodying the unique and entertaining style that Pat McAfee’s show is known for.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Pat McAfee: "Halliburton was voted the most overrated player in the NBA... What has he done since then? Oh, just big ball all over everybody. Holy shite." [01:30]
• Pat McAfee: "Jalen Brunson has been voted the clutch player in the NBA." [05:52]
• Pat McAfee: "George Pickens is a dog. Whenever he's on the field, everything else." [04:05]
• Ryan Smith: "The survey process was highly interactive, and the fans ran with the 'Mammoth' motto." [112:47]
• Pat McAfee: "If this goes in, I win." [112:36]
• Pat McAfee: "Everyone's talking about 'Pope Leo,' and we're here celebrating it." [161:58]

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Key Takeaways:

• Unexpected Sports Upsets: The episode highlights surprising outcomes in the NBA and NHL playoffs, emphasizing the unpredictability that makes sports thrilling.
• Strategic NFL Trades: The trade of George Pickens to the Cowboys is analyzed, showcasing team dynamics and future prospects.
• Global News Integration: The unexpected election of a new Pope provides a unique twist, blending global events with sports commentary.
• Owner Insights: Ryan Smith offers valuable perspectives on building and branding new sports teams, illustrating the intersection of sports management and community engagement.
• Engaging Hosts: The lively banter and humorous interactions among the hosts maintain an entertaining and relatable atmosphere for listeners.

For those who haven't tuned into the episode, this summary encapsulates the blend of sports analysis, humor, and unexpected global events that define "The Pat McAfee Show." Whether discussing playoff upsets, major NFL trades, or the surprising election of a new Pope, Pat McAfee and his team deliver a comprehensive and entertaining discourse that keeps listeners engaged and informed.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

People and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Holy shit. Thursday, May 8, 2025 this program starts now. Sports are happening all around us. We were off yesterday because I had meetings all day and we're trying to figure out the future of our business, our company and our life. And I would like to say things are looking good. We do believe in life is great. Especially because sports are fantastic. Hey, why is today called hol shite Thursday? Well, that's because The Knicks are up 20 over the Celtics. Holy shite. The Indiana Pacers are up 2 over over the number one seed Cleveland Cavaliers. Holy shite. The Maple Leafs are up 20 over the reigning defending undisputed Lord Stanley cup champion Florida Panthers. Holy shite. And George Pickens is a Dallas Cowboy. Holy shite. So much happening and we'll be trying to catch up with all of it. We'll be chit chatting about it all. We have a lot of guests coming on. Quentin Richardson will join us in about nine minutes. Obviously he was a 13 year NBA veteran. He will chit chat about the upsets that are potentially around the corner in basketball that none of us could have seen coming. Pacers up two over the Cavs because Tyrese, what the hell? Burton is halla ballin all over the place. Okay, I'm gonna miss this free throw on purpose.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, without.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, without a doubt. No questions asked. No questions asked. Have you seen his free throw percentages? If he's going to miss, it's going to be on purpose. He knew he was going to miss it short. He knew there was going to be a scrum. He knew where it was going to bounce. He said let me snag that thing. Oh, we're one on one at the top. Okay, how you doing? Keep it. Ah, the Halle. Step back. We're going to start calling that. The what? The Halle. Because I believe that is happening on a regular basis. And him having what, two game winning or whatever. They started giving out all the stats, 9 out of 10. Highest percentage since like 1960 something or whatever. Tyrese Halliburton was voted the most overrated player in the NBA by our friends at the New York Times Athletic a couple weeks ago. What has he done since then? Oh, just big ball all over everybody. Holy shite. We are in Halliburton's time. And if you start looking around the league, you start looking at who's playing well on a consistent basis, you start to think to yourself, hold the phone. Are we staring down a potential parade here in Indiana in A few months. Are we staring down the hottest team in the NBA right now? Even if you go all the way back to like February or whatever it was, the Indiana Pacers are that team. And they're a team that works hard. They're a team that's bought in. They're a team that. That's very close. And they're a team that has a superstar at the point guard position who is humble and has got enough moxie to be electrifying. Now, I know the NBA and the TV people haven't wanted to put him on primetime. You don't want that guy on primetime television. You're out of your damn mind. Next game is on Friday night here in Indiana. I assume that we will have some representation in the building. And I'm pumped up about this. Now, obviously, the Cleveland Cavaliers are a great team. Cleveland Cavaliers have had a stupendous season. Number one seed in the east, and that is an east that has the Boston Celtics. Speaking of Boston Celtics now down 20 to the new York Knicks. Let's go over to the toxic table. Ty Schmidt, you look great. And at Boston. Connor, what the hell is going on? Now I'm hearing everybody say that the next game is a must win for the New York Knicks because the Celtics might wake up. What the hell happened last night? And how are we at a situation where the knicks are up 20 over the daunted, dominant Boston Celtics team? Con man.

[Connor]

Yeah, not so dominant whatsoever. Last night it was kind of the same story as game one. Right into it, the. With about, I don't know, six minutes left. Yeah. Up ten. The Celtics. The Knicks come right down bridges three. I believe that was his second bucket of the game. He scored 14 points, all in the fourth. Brunson three. How you doing? Off an offensive rebound. Basically a nightmare situation here. Josh Hart. It was them three, really, in the fourth quarter. Here they go again.

[Pat McAfee]

You guys are up 20 at one point.

[Connor]

Right up 20 at one point.

[Pat McAfee]

I believe 99% or 98% chance of winning, whatever the fuck that means.

[Connor]

Graphic has it as well. I think they're the first team ever to come back from 20 point games in back to back in a playoff series. There it is. There's their first lead of the night with 158 left in the fourth quarter. Brunson's unbelievable. Here he is once again. A lot of people thought that was N1, but no, sir. They go up by three. Celtics actually can score the basketball even though we haven't seen much of it. Not there. Those Are free throws. The Celtics didn't score a field goal, I believe, for six straight minutes in the fourth quarter. Those are free throws. Those are not field goals. Down by one. Celtics, of course, make it look easy. Tatum, walk right down the court. Dunk. Oh, we're up by one. You know the Knicks, they have the most clutch player in the NBA. Even if they are able to score, which they are. Brunson gets the free throw line here against Jrue Holiday. He ends up making both of them, but still plenty of time. 12.7 seconds. Celtics down by two and. Or down by one rather, bucket once again and no timeout. Kind of love it. Let the boys play. Tatum just came down and went right to the hole and scored. Let's see if he can do it again on Mitchell Robinson, their center. Turns out no Mikhail Bridges. Kind of late double team there, snatches the ball, blocks him. Game one, he snatched it out of Jalen Brown's hands. Game two, he basically blocks the Tatum pass to Jalen Brown. And the Knicks take a 20 lead, winning twice in Boston. Bridges was unbelievable in the fourth quarter. He scored all 14 of his points and it was quite a spectacle here. Here's kind of the highlights of him also doing the deed. It was, it was, I won't say abusive because I'm not going to go that far, but watching it, as a Celtics fan, it was painful.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I can imagine. Especially being up 20 or whatever this is. Back to back games. And this New York Knicks team, obviously we know about their resilience and their fight and their grit and everything like that. And Brunson has been voted the clutch player in the NBA. And he's a dog, obviously. We saw him last year during the playoff run this season. I think there was an injury, maybe a trade. Some shit happened with the Knicks. Were the Knicks going to be able to be the Knicks this year without divincenzo and everything they had going on? Cat coming over there, yada, yada, yada. And it's like they continue to be the team that just keeps on fighting. And I think people in New York are pumped that this team is representing the city of New York. Bruce, this is the best Knicks team, obviously best run the Knicks have had in a long, long time. Feels like the city's out, brother. They're outside right now having a blast with this. Oh, yeah, we, we are outside.

[Ty Schmidt]

As they say.

[Pat McAfee]

The Knicks haven't been to the Eastern.

[Connor]

Conference finals since 2000. This is the most fun I've had.

[Pat McAfee]

Watching a New York sports team since 2007 probably you can even go back to the Yankees. 2003, Aaron Boone hitting a game seven walk off home run.

[Connor]

It's that type of energy that we're.

[Pat McAfee]

Dealing with right now.

[Connor]

Honestly last night played great defensively, but.

[Pat McAfee]

Offensively we really struggled to get, to.

[Connor]

Get anything going obviously in the, in.

[Pat McAfee]

The first three quarters. But you know, we're, we're, you know, taking it back to MSG and hopefully putting it away. And Destiny's all will have that rematch with the Pacers and be the first.

[Connor]

Healthy team they play in the NBA.

[Pat McAfee]

Playoffs since the Boston Celtics last year. Yeah, I understand the Cavs have some injuries. I mean that's basketball that's going to take place. I'm excited to see a healthy Knicks team take on a healthy Pacers team. A lot of basketball left. Oh yeah, this is what the best of seven thing is. People can get up two zero and everybody lose their mind and all they stole two on the road. It's like they can easily take the other two in your house as well. All these teams are great at this point. Cavaliers have had a phenomenal year. Spider has a chance to go do some magic here in Indiana. And whenever you talk about the Celtics, I mean they missed another 33 last night or something like that.

[Connor]

Yeah, 10 of 40 from 3 and they were going to the hole, which was very nice. But yeah, it's kind of reminiscent of the Celtics Pacers series last year in the Eastern Conference finals. The Celtics have been up, I believe 81 of the minutes of the entire series. 81 of the, you know, 102 minutes or whatever the hell it is. So they have been playing well, but then it's the end of the game and they shit down their leg. Personally it feels a lot like 2023 where the Celtics went down 30 to the Heat. They come all the way back, force A game 7. Tatum gets hurt on the first play. The Heat ended up winning and going to the finals. I'm not worried. I have opened the door of where the panic button sits, but I have not looked at it, I have not gone it out and I have not thought about pressing it. But I am starting to wonder what is the problem because they didn't change anything, which I loved and they continued to miss wide open threes. Once again I think you go back to the well, don't change anything. You're beating the Knicks the entire game. They go up in the last two minutes. It's like, hey, you got to hit some shots here, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey boys, we need to knock down some shots. Six minutes straight with no field goals. Not good in basketball, let alone playoff bets.

[Connor]

Basketball, yeah. In the fourth quarter and you know, it's like there's only so many things people are saying. Joe Missoula. What do you want Joe Missoula to do? You know, I bet he could sit in the corner and knock down some of these wide open threes. But guess what? He's not Jokic. He's not the player coach right now like Denver. He is just the coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Speaking of that, Oklahoma City just demolishes. Denver last night had a record high first half. I think, I don't know what record they broke, the amount of points that they had. It was like Oklahoma City decided to. To remind everybody who the hell they are. And I know that Oklahoma City was favored to win the series going in. I know that Joker and the Nuggets were underdogs in my eyes. That's tough to believe just strictly because the championship pedigree that is currently in Denver and in Oklahoma City just woke up last night and decided to beat their ass. And they absolutely did. I think the NBA playoffs have been nothing short of spectacular, let alone the whole Golden State situation that's brewing over there. I mean, there is the NBA. The association is showing up for us right now in the sports world. We're incredibly thankful for that, as has the NHL. The NHL right now mentioned it at the beginning of our holy shite Thursday announcement. Maple Leafs, which are a team that is synonymous with blowing it, are now up 20 in a best of seven series against the reigning defending champion Panthers. Now, obviously there's a chance that Kachuk, one of the leaders of the Panthers, is still banged up with a groin injury that he got at Four Nations. And obviously there's many other stories that you could tell in hockey on why a team isn't doing whatever. The Maple Leafs, though up 20 on the Panthers, is insane. But that's not the only storyline that is in the NHL. 1/2 of the Hammer Don Cowboys AP Tone has more.

[Evan]

Now we got to go back to Tuesday night, Game one, Capitals and Hurricanes. The Capitals came out and they, they took a 10 lead, but then, you know, the Cane came storming back with two goals by fucking Stank Oven. Okay? Stank Oven is an absolute dog from the slot there. Gets one right there and then Jake Slavin gets the game winner over time. Canes go up 10 in the series.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so the Canes get a massive 10 series lead against the Capitals. Now the Canes are supposed to win this series. Capitals are underdogs, which is once again something that is tough to believe because of ov. Tom. The entire team in Washington has championship pedigree. This Hurricanes in front of those Caniacs, especially down there. Tough team to handle. Oilers and Knights is becoming special. Tom. Dude. Yeah.

[Evan]

Also on Tuesday night. Ties.

[Ryan Smith]

Ties.

[Evan]

Knights go up 20 with two stoner goals. They're looking good. 20 at home and then four unanswered goals by the Oilers to put them up 10 on the series. The Oilers get one on the road to start the series, which is huge to start there when the knights were up 2:0 on the scoreboard with two from Stoner. So yeah, a tough start for the Knights. But Oilers come roaring back to win game one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And McJesus obviously was the guy in the first two highlights. I was doing everything down there on the right side. Them getting a bat out of the air from the sideways off the back of the goalie and it going in. That's tough news.

[AJ Hawk]

No, I mean, I don't know what Aiden Hill is doing. I don't know if he's, you know, playing. It look like he's playing catch with.

[Connor]

A baseball like that.

[AJ Hawk]

I've never seen a goalie do that ever. But hey, it happens. It really does pay me though because Stoner was just so hot. He came out, scores two goals. You really hate to see the Knights kind of.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, again, that is the first time and probably the last time that will ever happen in an NHL game. But you know, it's the playoffs baby. That's. That's what happens. So we'll see. Knights need to get this one tonight. Need this game tonight.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I. I love that. And how about the Stars, brother? Let's go to the other half of the hammer. Don. Cowboys Bubblegum. Pino Miko is really out there doing some stuff, huh pal? Guys.

[Evan]

Unbelievable hat trick again last night.

[Pat McAfee]

Otter stood on his head.

[Evan]

This was a massive trade the stars.

[Ryan Smith]

Made to get him paid.

[Evan]

Him from the Hurricanes was on Colorado.

[Pat McAfee]

To start the season. He's an all time playoff performer. And he did it again last night for us. Back to back hat tricks. Is that accurate? Is that what I read? Oh, yeah. He's unbelievable. That's nice. Wouldn't it? How sweet would that be? He was. He was double shifting last night too.

[Evan]

He was playing with the fourth line as well.

[Connor]

Yeah. Third player ever to do the back to back hat tricks. And then we just meant. Tony just mentioned Logan Stankovin. He from Carolina scored two goals. That was that trade. Dallas sent him to Carolina. Dallas got Ransom in back. Both of those guys working out perfect.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I like that. That's a good deal for all parties.

[Connor]

Everyone's winning right now.

[Pat McAfee]

People like that a lot. Tonight we have warriors, timberwolves in the NBA. Hurricanes, Capitals, Oilers, Golden Knights. That'll be at 9:30, Oilers Gold Knights on ESPN, 7:00, Canes and Capitals and then Warriors, Timberwolves, 8:30. Great night of sports. Great night, sport. Let's talk about the NFL. Have to. This is massive news. Yesterday, huge. I was sitting in the middle, I was in a conference room and then all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. What the hell's going on? George Pickens has been traded to the Dallas Cowboys. Wait a second. The Steelers receive a 2026 third round pick and a 2027 fifth round pick. Okay, I don't know if they're trying to accrue picks or if this was the best offer that they were to get, but they send Pickens and a sixth rounder to the Dallas Cowboys in that graphic jersey swap that Debone did there is nasty. I mean, that is great work there, Debo. Great work, Debone. That is a filthy picture right there. But George Pickens, I thought, me personally, as soon as DK Metcalf gets brought into the Pittsburgh Steelers, I immediately go, okay, this means George Pickens is gone. A lot of people are like, well, why would that mean that now they have another weapon? Now they got a second wide receiver. They've been looking for a second wide receiver. Why would, as soon as they get another wide receiver, why would they try to get rid of, of the guy that they have? And it's just like, I think there's a lot potentially going on in that room that feels like a tough room. And you know, on Madden you don't have to worry about humans, okay? On Madden, it's just a rating. In fantasy football, whenever you're drafting somebody, you're not drafting the humans and whether or not they would get along. You're drafting the upside, the capability. In Madden, it's like, what is their best day? That is their number. Humans becoming a team is the most important part of a successful football franchise, I'd assume any sport. But it's definitely in the NFL. With the way things have gone with George Pickens in Pittsburgh, adding in DK Metcalf, with how things were going with DK in Seattle, that just felt like too much TNT for me in one particular room when there's only one football on the field. I assumed GP was going to get traded. I know that there's a lot of teams that are very interested in George Pickens, so I assume that would be something that would be an easy move to get done. Now, allegedly, the Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers started this conversation before the draft when Jerry Jones came out and said, I got a couple of substantive moves that I'm looking to make either before draft, after the draft, maybe today, maybe tomorrow. And I go, what does that mean? Well, apparently what we have learned now is Jerry Jones is talking to the Steelers. Was that the first time the Steelers and he had a conversation? He said, where's the microphone? Where's the microphone? Give me a microphone. Yeah, I just talked to a guy can do things. Omar Carney. Ever heard of him? I. I got a big move. Has this been the plan all along for the Dallas Cowboys to bring in George Pickens? Has the plan been to move on from George Pickens? How long has that been the plan? There's so many more questions, but what I do know, George Pickens is a dog. Whenever he's on the field, when he wants to be, there's obviously clips and moments from his career thus far that are going to be questioned. And if he was to be playing like the way he plays in the NFL in college, whenever he'd be going through the draft, there'd be a lot of people nitpicking, a lot of the decisions that he made on the field and things that he said and done off the field with that being said, upside, through every roof that you've ever seen. If you can get him to buy in and if you can get him to love his team and you can get him in an offense shot and the boys gonna have to figure that out down there with Dakota. If you can get him an offense that he is going to do well in, he has the chance to be mega star. So I assume that the Steelers view this as a win because they're going to move in a different direction. And if I'm George Pickens, I think I'm pretty excited for a new start, fresh start as well, especially down there in Dallas. AP tone obviously die hard, Pittsburgh Steelers fan. You thought it was going to be dk, gp, Friarmouth, you know, even Warren in there, you thought that was going to be the case. I think a lot of people had hopes for that. I think in the building there was a decision on is this sustainable? Is this sustainable for 18 weeks, 17 games with the roller coaster that happens throughout a football season.

[Evan]

Yeah, I think my whole thing Yesterday was that 2025 Steelers fan. Me was bummed out because yes, I wanted to see all those guys play together. Was it going to work out? Who knows? It was going to be electric. It was going to be fireworks. Whether it was good or bad. 2025 me was very excited to see this, this offense as a whole potentially with Aaron throwing to these guys. 2026 and moving forward me thinks is a very smart move. They were never gonna pay George. This is. He's going into a contract year. This was his final year. They were never going to pay DK 30 and then pay George 25 to 30. And like we. You've said he was a first round talent coming out. He fell to the second round because of. Of some of the stuff that you've. You've heard about George about, you know, showing up late to games and stuff like that. I just don't think the Steelers organization wanted to deal with that that anymore. Now like listen, the Steelers fan base was not happy at all yesterday about this. Now if you looked at it with a level head, you, you could have been like, like I was 2026 moving forward. We're not gonna, we're never gonna pay this guy. We're gonna get a third round pick. We now have 12 picks going into the 2026 draft. That is in Pittsburgh, three third round picks now in that draft to potentially move up, you know, get your future. But you know, just the whole thing this was, was this was always going to be the case. I think this was the smartest move. Don't moving forward for the team. I know a lot of people are pissed about it but 2025, were you really going to win Super Bowl? Was he going to help you win Super Bowl? Maybe? Probably not. So I think this was the smartest.

[Pat McAfee]

Well I also I saw a little Aaron Rodgers derangement syndrome. You know where his fault he. I don't even know if he knows George yet. But what he likes. He's not even on Steelers. What he likes from a WC are certainly something that George is not. So Aaron's going to want him to be moved. So Mike Tomlin and Omar Khan and Rooney family said, you know this guy's not even our team yet but there's chance that he doesn't like you. So we're going to. There's people saying that we are not making that up. That was actually said by people and maybe a conversation was said about how he operates and whether or not it is still going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler for the long haul. Like, are we going to pay him to be a long one? Maybe we can get a couple. Couple pieces for this that can help our future. But I will say this about George Pickens. If he's able to hit that next level, lock in and everything like that you're talking about. Game breaker, game wrecker. I'm happy to hear the Dallas Cowboys still have hope that that is the case, and hopefully he'll be able to accomplish that. We have some breaking news, ladies and gentlemen of the Catholic faith.

[AJ Hawk]

No way.

[Pat McAfee]

There is a new pope that has been selected. What? White smoke has come out of the top of the smoke stack. And what out of. Can you scroll up, please? 133 cardinal electors gathered in the Vatican 16 Chapel, which obviously we know from the picture, and they have elected the new Pope. He will appear soon at the central window of St. Peter's Basilica. Basilica, wow. So he's just going to. Do they, like, have, like, songs? And then he's, like, on the side. Q stays. Yep.

[Connor]

Please.

[Pat McAfee]

So he's gonna. He's gonna be here. They're gonna have that empty window.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then he's just gonna go pow.

[AJ Hawk]

Pretty much, yeah. All the people down there are just gonna go ape. Everyone's gonna know who it is.

[Pat McAfee]

It's me. Yep, it's me. P, O, P, E. You might hit.

[AJ Hawk]

A couple of these.

[Connor]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Is he gonna be a thousand years old like all these other popes have been, or how's this kind of work? Should we expect a 2000-year-old man to roll into this window later? And he's in charge of now every Cat. He's your boss now. He's a Catholic boss.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, I'm not a priest, so he's not technically not my boss.

[Pat McAfee]

So. He's the boss of every priest.

[AJ Hawk]

He is the. He is the.

[Evan]

Who's the boss of you?

[AJ Hawk]

I'm the boss of me, brother.

[Evan]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Your Lord and savior needs.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, that, too. That, too. But, yeah, he's running the Catholic Church. My guess would be. So I actually. We had this conversation this morning. Everything I'd read that said, like, hey, this could be the longest conclave ever. We got a lot of young cardinals who have never been through this process. We might not have multiple weeks here before we get a new pope. Nope. Two days in.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[AJ Hawk]

They're like, fuck it. We're done with this.

[Pat McAfee]

We found. No. Maybe they knew it was the guy.

[AJ Hawk]

It could be.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe they knew some guy walked in and they just have it, you know? Yeah. Some guy walked in a Sistine Chapel and they go.

[AJ Hawk]

They saw him genuflect, and they were like, oh, oh, boom. That was it right there.

[Pat McAfee]

So how. Good leadership is what they're looking for. How's it.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I would assume stability as well, because they don't want to put in an old guy and have the new Pope die in, like, four years here, five years, and then have to do this whole process again. But from everything I've read in this particular situation, because there were a lot of young and inexperienced cardinals, this is just a political power grab. A lot of, you know, people backstabbing. Yeah, it could have been. Could have been quite a bit.

[Evan]

So what do you see?

[AJ Hawk]

I'm very. They had odds set on who. Who was kind of the hot shot. I believe there was. There was a guy from Italy. You know, they favored the. The home hometown here. Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. I. I'm actually shocked. I'm shocked. We got white smoke today. This is crazy.

[Evan]

Do we know. Do we know who it is before they appear at the window? Or is it just like, hey, here I am? And then we. Somebody knows who that guy is. Right?

[Pat McAfee]

The 133 people that elected. I think. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think they're probably pretty tight. I mean, if they're sending smoke signals to let people know messages, I assume there's not a lot of messages getting out of. Of there. Maybe a carrier pigeon they'll send up.

[Connor]

Maybe break the news.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know what it is, but congrats to them finding a new pope.

[AJ Hawk]

We got him. We got our guy.

[Pat McAfee]

They got. They got their guy. Yeah, we got our guy.

[Connor]

Dominated pre conclave meetings.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Just. He came in and just took over.

[Connor]

They asked him, hey, what. What. What's your least favorite part about the church?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, and he said, there. Nothing. There's actually nothing about the church.

[Connor]

I didn't even know that was possible.

[Pat McAfee]

And then they asked him to draw up some verses.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And what his favorite parts are.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep. Couple favorite hymns.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Favorite hymns. What leads to what too, like, hey, why did you pick this particular verse on this particular Sunday when everybody else did this? And, you know, as I was thinking about the people that are going to be in my congregation, I thought they needed to hear this. They had already heard this two weeks before. So I went with this message. I even sprinkled in a Little John in here. Little John came in. Little John came in here. And I thought that message really hit home. And the other 133 were like, yeah, that's our guy. Yeah, it did, brother.

[Connor]

Confession breakdown. You know, as far as you. How do you handle certain situations?

[Pat McAfee]

What's your go to?

[AJ Hawk]

Probably had. Had him do, like, an elevator pitch homily. Like, hey, why watch you be pope? Five minutes go.

[Pat McAfee]

And he goes.

[AJ Hawk]

We are gathered here today.

[Connor]

I am a real pope.

[Pat McAfee]

We don't mean to mock us. It. But we know nothing about the process other than the fact they send smoke out that thing and let the world know that there's a new head of the Catholic Church. Congrats to whoever this is, and we can't wait to see you. Say it's me. Yeah. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, not from the pope world, surprisingly. What if we would have had a guest from the. From the Catholic world to let us know how the.

[AJ Hawk]

I believe he did go to a Catholic institution for college.

[Pat McAfee]

He was a Cardinal, ladies and gentlemen. Joining us now, man who played 13 years in the NBA, Quentin Richardson. Got a new pope, too. Rich new pope. Brand new, fresh out.

[Peter Schrager]

That's awesome, man. I'm just like, y' all. I know nothing about it.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, y' all.

[Peter Schrager]

I have no clue. I didn't even know about the white smoke happening. So that's what's up to him.

[Pat McAfee]

So at the end of the day, that is what's up. Congrats to new pope. It's probably a pretty big deal.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it's a big deal.

[Pat McAfee]

This is a pretty big deal. I assume. I assume he's jacked up today. Oh, yeah. Okay. So they. They sent out smoke last night that said we're not done.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, black smoke. No new pope.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so what, do they burn tar.

[Connor]

In there and they're smoking Sigs?

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's get back to Away from the pope and. But let's talk about some smoke. Tyrese Haliburton's got all the smoke right now. All of it. Now, obviously, this Pacers team's playing very together. Tyrese Haliburton is obviously playing some of his best ball he has all season, basically. They're up 20 right now. The number one seed Cleveland Cavaliers. What are your thoughts on this Pacers team that you're watching now that if you go back to February, hottest team in the NBA. What are your thoughts on what's happening right now with this particular team and this series?

[Peter Schrager]

Man, they figuring it out. I'd be lying if I said I'm not surprised right now. I'm extremely Surprised to see that they're up 2 old. I could see them going in there and getting them a game and splitting. I did not expect Indiana to walk into Cleveland and look at Halle with the old stuff. Sam Cassell, Sally.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Peter Schrager]

But I didn't expect them to go in there and just take both games. And in the fashion they did it in the Comeback, it's like those was like, rip your heart out type moments at the end of the game. You know what I'm saying? And like Halle said, what the hell? He said. He said. He said, hey, hey. Overrate that. I respect it. I love what he doing out there. He writing his own record right now.

[Pat McAfee]

I think there was a chance that that tweet was maybe gonna be over eight Ds and I don't know. I don't know. I'm just saying there was a chance. So then the next game, whenever it happens, it's like, this is what I was referring to. Almost could have told a story throughout the entirety of it. Tyrese is the perfect guy for the NBA, too. Like, legitimately, he is. He's got so much mocks. He's a nerd, right? He's like a wrestling nerd. But you get him on the court. So much swagger. He's great at the game. Loves that he's a part of the NBA, respects the fact that he's a professional basketball player. And here in Indianapolis, we love him. He's not the only one on that team, though. That team is filled with absolute dogs. And Carlisle's got them all bought in. All of them are bought in. I think that is so incredibly important. Which leads to, obviously, the other series. That makes us say, holy shite. Knicks up 20 over the Celtics both games. Celtics have massive leads. They blow them at the end both games. They miss an immense amount of 3.5 shots. And for six minutes in the fourth quarter, the Celtics didn't score a field goal. What the hell's going on? Is Boston dead? Are they going to be able to wake up, or is this just. This Knicks team is so damn good, and they make you kind of tap out and quit it towards the end, first and foremost.

[Peter Schrager]

How you doing, Boston? Connor, how you doing? You feel believed, buddy?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know about that. I'm still.

[Connor]

I'm still repping the team.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not.

[Connor]

Yeah, I'm not too worried just yet. Have not hit the panic button. I got confidence.

[Peter Schrager]

Nah, just like I said with the Pacer series, man, I'm definitely shocked that the Knicks went in there and got both of those games, especially, obviously, with, you know, them being down 20 in both games. But, I mean, I haven't lost complete hope right now. I mean, I still feel like the way the Celtics were able to go into both games and be up 20, they just gotta not screw it up. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you get up that many points to go, it's a stat out there where they've missed 45 wide open threes. That means you. You're at least six feet or more open. Nobody's within six feet of you shooting the ball. You owe for 45 on those type of shots. Like, you can't believe that Boston is going to continue to do that. And you can't believe that Boston is going to continue to build leads and then just let them collapse and melt down because. Because Jalen Brunson has shown, if you just get me to the winning time, I could do the rest if you just keep it close. If we could close the gap and get there and get to the point to where it's actual clutch time, Jalen Brunson gonna do his thing. He's shown improving that. So in Boston, the confidence they've given me is that they've been able to continuously build these leagues. When you able to co op on a team like that consistently, that means that you better than them at some point, you just doing a crappy job of keeping the lead and closing it out. They gotta figure that part of it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Definitely. That could be a mental block, though. Q. And on the flip side, you're talking about a mental boost for the Knicks, knowing that they've been able to do this two times now. There's no, there's gonna be. Not that there ever has been any quit in this Knicks team, especially led by Brunson. And Jamal Crawford told us last week that he was shooting. He's been shooting with Brunson since he's like 8 years old, right? Because he played with his dad or whatever. And then you watch the way Brunson kind of operates as a guy that grew up in the NBA. It has to be sweet for him that just the way people talk about him is like, if it's close, in the end, Brunson's gonna win the game. Like, that's like the greatest compliment you can give a competitor. And that is very real with this guy. And the team knows it as well. What a squad they have right now. Q.

[Peter Schrager]

No, they. They got a great collection of guys that's playing really well. Together. But as far as Brunson, his. His. His mental makeup, like, I like Rick Brunson, his dad, OG Rick has done a. A great job bringing him up, but I think even Rick will say Jalen's mindset. Like, you. You can't. Like, as a. As a. As a former player, whoever, you can't just say, okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna make my kid this way. Like, he was built. He was born that way. To have this type of mental capacity to be even killed and not get too high, to not get too low, and to be able to have that. That type of focus, to be able to go crazy like that when it becomes place, such time. And the thing that's impressive to me is that even the game winners, the shots he hit, you see guys go jumping on tables and losing. Like, he. He celebrates, but it's like, it's very mild and very chill.

[Pat McAfee]

He's.

[Peter Schrager]

He's a. Like, he was born that way. It's hard to say that I'm gonna go build and mold somebody to have that type of mindset and that type of mental toughness. I mean, obviously some of the things that Rick put him through coming up, that definitely molded and gave him some of his toughness, but that mindset. Mindset and the mental part, I don't know that you could just build that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think the skills and everything and obviously the game that he can learn from the pros that he grew up around is certainly an advantage for him, but dogs, especially like Mamba mentality type dogs, I think you're born that way. I don't know if you're doing. I don't know if you can find that now. Let's go to the west, shall we? And what a dominant first half and then obviously dominant entire game. Go ahead, Ty.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Q. Rich, I think after game, Team one, we all assumed, like, hey, why is Denver still the underdogs when they play well, especially with Jokic and what he's doing like this. This team should be a favorite to knock off the Thunder with how young they are. But then last night, we see what happens when the Thunder kind of play their A game. They win by 43. When you're looking at this series after last night, does that type of get right game? Like, do you think the Thunder are just gonna roll now, or do you think this one is still gonna go like. Like six or seven games?

[Peter Schrager]

I think it'll still be a competitive series. I don't think. I don't think last night was the Aberration of my eyes. I don't think they're gonna just keep beating about 40 and 30 points. But I. I do think OKC is the better team. Obviously, the record and everything they've done the whole season shows that. But I. I do know that Denver.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, we just lost him.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll call him back.

[Connor]

Oh, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we'll call him back. He was about to get into it there. Had an interesting service throughout. The entirety of it was kind of coming and going. Yeah, first time. I often wonder how that happens, you know, because if you have full service at one point and then you have no service at another point, does that mean they are throttling.

[Connor]

Throttling you a little bit Satellite in front of another satellite.

[Pat McAfee]

Oklahoma City right now is like, of course, as soon as you get a chance to talk about us being great over this Denver Nuggets team, it just cuts off completely. Isn't that convenient? You know, and how it all goes? But. But watching that game on my phone, because I was in the middle of some. Watching that number just run crazy. I thought I was watching like a. Like, you know, they have those counters or whatever. Oklahoma City's first half, that number got real big real quick.

[Evan]

They played no games.

[Pat McAfee]

None. And it's like, wait a second. Are the Oklahoma City Thunder all the way back to being who everybody thought they were? And are the Nuggets going to be able to figure this out? Like, normally Joker learns you and then gets better against you here they. They were better in the first game than they were in the second game. Is the third game going to resort back to what we normally see out of the Joker? Or was this just kind of water finding its level in this particular series?

[Connor]

It feels like Denver sometimes does like the. Every other thing. Like, you wonder if with 86 points after the first half, there was rest.

[Pat McAfee]

This one a little bit.

[Connor]

There was a little bit of like, okay, maybe not. Not tonight. Because even, you know, you look at that Clipper series that was damn near in every other game. Game situation for Denver as well. So maybe not too sure about it. But you know, just like with the Celtics, when you. You miss all those shots like the Thunder, you know, game one, you're gonna come back with the electric performance. But I would. I would expect Jokic to respond pretty mightily at home in. In Denver. I think they play tomorrow or Saturday.

[Pat McAfee]

I have faith in the Denver Nuggets, no doubt. I have faith in Denver Nuggets. I have faith in Joker. But I also love that OKC just Woke up.

[AJ Hawk]

They're fun to watch.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they are very. And they're young and they're fun, and their fans are magnificent. I mean, the Oklahoma City fans are great. And it's like this Cleveland Cavaliers team. Are they going to wake up? All year, they've been the team that Oklahoma City, Cleveland. Yes, that has been the conversation. Like, not enough conversation is about these two teams because they are the two teams now. Obviously, with Cavs being down 2.0-it's like with the Cavs wake up and become what they were all season or with the injuries that they have happening, is it too much? It's like Oklahoma City woke up. Is this who they're going to be now for the rest of the time against his Nuggets team? It's like the association's throwing. They're throwing some heat right now, legitimately. They got some stars showing up and they got some storylines developing very quickly here in front of us.

[Evan]

What's funny is The Celtics are down two. Zero. Cavs are down two. Oath, Oklahoma City's one one. The favorites to win the finals are still OKC, Boston, Cleveland. Those are. Those are the top three to win the final. Still.

[Pat McAfee]

Patriots plus 13 Hun.

[AJ Hawk]

That's tasty.

[Connor]

Good odds for Indy.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, I may or may not have talked to Tyrese. Okay. Since game two, dub obviously gave tons of flowers.

[Connor]

Have to.

[Pat McAfee]

What a cool moment.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, that had to feel so cool.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a couple of these now happening for you where it had to feel like all your. Now, I hope his dad, you know, like, I hope his dad enjoyed the hell out of them or wherever he was. I hope his dad was in some, you know, comfy. I hope his dad was doing his dad's thing. I doubt he was on a couch. I assume he was somewhere there was energy and he was going crazy. I just assume from what we know about Tyrese's dad, I hope he enjoyed all of this. But also, it's just game two.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. These game seven series, sports, like, legit.

[Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You can have this moment today and then shit tomorrow, and nobody will even remember game two. It's just like the Pacer season last year. They get all the way to the Eastern Conference finals. They lose 40 to the Boston Celtics. They should have won three out of four of those games. They should not have made it to the Eastern Conference finals. They traded for Pascal Siakam middle of the season. Nobody's talking about the Pacers doing anything. They lose 4. 0 to the Boston Celtics. Nobody was allowed to Talk about them. Yeah, Nobody was on talk about it being successful. So I just sent a little reminder about how everybody still thinks you're shit. And it's just two games, brother. We got to win two more just for this series. Then we got another series. Then we got another series. It's like what a magical moment, how awesome it is. And I think they going through what they experienced with the Celtics last year, going through everything they experience, I think they feel like or look like a more mature team as well, like a more experienced team, obviously, because they've been through the experiences.

[Connor]

Yeah. And that's what I'm with the Celtics, you know, for them to win a championship, they went to the Eastern Conference finals, they lost in seven game series, they lost in the finals to Steph. And then eventually, you know, they go on and win it last year. But that is why, you know, the Pacers experience is daunting for all the rest of these teams. Not just the Celtics, because they've been there, but the Knicks. You know, the Knicks, Bruce said they haven't been to the Eastern conference finals since 2000 and all those guys have played in big games on that team. But still it's a different level. But to what you're saying is exactly right. Like, hey, they're up two. Oh, and that's sweet. Now the, the pressure's kind of flipped. Like as a Celtics fan, I feel better now than I did before just because of the conversation. Like now, the conversation before game two. Before game two, yes. Like now the conversation isn't, you know, the, the Celtics are going to sweep this team. And if they don't sweep them, if they win 4 1, it's terrible. Now it's like, hey, the, the Knicks have to win this. Like the Celtics, they're done. They probably can't win. They're still even on. But now the story will be at the end of this series, hey, the Knicks blew it. Same with the Pacers. Hey, the Pacers blew it versus, you know, the Cavs and Celtics coming back and winning. So it is nice. But the seven game series are diesel. And that's the difference between hockey too. Because hockey after a seven game series, guess what? The other team that just lost, they're releasing their injury report and half their guys had, you know, broken limbs and collapsed lungs. In basketball, if you lose a seven game series, they don't care if you got a bruised wrist or, you know, a rolled ankle. Like, they're just going to talk about how you lost in seven and then you're on to the next series. And that's why it's only the second round. You know, it's even crazier thinking about that because it's only going to get better now. And that's why the NBA second round on it really is, you know, prime time entertainment.

[Pat McAfee]

Best of seven series is a tough. Normally the better team is going to find its way to getting to the win and at any moment you're still in it. People have come back from being down 3, 0. People have been able to come back whenever it looked like they've just gotten killed. And then there's also just been so yeah, hey, literally anything can happen here. Go ahead Z.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, that's why the, the NBA is so much better in the postseason because I feel like as like if, if you don't watch a ton of regular season basketball like those Celt Celtics being up by 20 on the Knicks like in the regular season that balloons and they end up winning by 35, five points a lot of the time. Like now that's not the case. It's like okay, I'll check back in six minutes. And boom, the Knicks went on an 110 run and like we got a game again.

[Pat McAfee]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, re establish a connection 13 year NBA Quentin Richardson. Rich. Sorry, that's probably on us, maybe on you, who knows. It's on technology. Nonetheless, we're talking about how all these series best of seven series are insane because Tyrese Tyler Burton just had a massive moment. He's had a couple of these now just had a massive moment. But if the Cavaliers come back and win the series, nobody's going to talk about it ever again. It is such like a hey, you can celebrate this tonight but we got to move on tomorrow type league I think especially in the playoffs. Q.

[Peter Schrager]

Rich yeah, you know the news cycle moving fast, Pat. There's so much, there's so much information out there. So it goes quick and like you said, everything that the Halliburton has done right now if they're not able to finish this series off and completely you right. They may not talk about it much. It may get played here there. But as far as like the overall credit for it, he may not get it but like that's why you got to finish out the whole thing. And that's what makes the seven game series so interesting because even if you up the team is down, they not completely out of it. You know what I'm saying? You can fight and come back and do different things and if it is a game seven, everybody Know, that's the. Those are the best two words in sports right there. So any. Anything happens, happens in that game.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Super bowl for sure. Best two and then, you know, game seven. Nonetheless, I understand what you said. Respect. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You slid in. Yeah, I'm listening. Yeah, I hear you. Let's go to the West. There's a. Obviously a massive storyline developing. Last question here, Q. And we appreciate you getting back on. Go ahead, Tone.

[Evan]

Yeah, Q. Warriors obviously get game one against the T Wolves, but they got to give up Steph because of that. Steph with a. I believe they're saying a grade one hammy for him. He's definitely not playing in game two. They're not sure when he will be back. You know, the other guys, Buddy Hill, Jimmy Butler, they all. Draymond, they all stepped up in game one. Do you think the. The warriors can still get this series if Steph does not come back? But I assume they're probably. If without Steph, they're not getting a championship, though.

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah. I'm nervous right now, man, because the hamstring. I knew exactly what he did as soon as he did it and how he held it, how he tried to go, and then he saw that he couldn't. I knew exactly, exactly what he did. So for me, I mean, I don't want to say that the warriors can't win this series, but they shouldn't. Like. Like, Minnesota is a better team, and now with Steph being out, it's not even a question. So if Minnesota and Ant man is who. Who they want, who they are, or who they say they are, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be a question. They should win this series. I don't know how many games it should take them, but, I mean, even in game one, they lost that game because they just shot the ball unbelievably bad. Turn the ball over crazy. They didn't look like themselves. But I don't see the warriors being able to pull this off without having Steph. I mean, when they had Steph, I had belief. And I don't want to count Jimmy Buckets and Draymond and the rest of them guys out. But if we being real with ourselves, it shouldn't be likely. Like, you know what I'm saying? Not to say that it can't happen. You got to play the game. But if Minnesota handles the business the way they supposed to, in the way everybody should expect them to, they should win this series.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about Batman being Jimmy Butler again, you know?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, they did a Batman Robin and everybody said you're Batman. There's two Batmans here. It's like Jimmy Butler has a chance now to lead a brand new squad up there in Golden State. Excited to watch them especially play tonight at 8:30 on TNT, Timberwolves are favored by 10 and a half. Okay, so they're thinking the same thing that Q. Rich is thinking. We shall see how that ends up rolling. All right, last question. Who's going to win, win the NBA title on this day? On this day. Holy shite. Thursday, on the 8th day of May. Who. Who wins?

[Peter Schrager]

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm still rolling with the Celtics, man. I know they down until they show me. Until they get put out. I, I still think they the most talented team and they got the, they got the, the experience and they defending champs until you knock them off on the road with them.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, we appreciate the hell out of you for joining us. Thank you for calling us back through the technical difficulties. You crushed it. Per usual. Co host of the Knuckleheads podcast, ESPN analyst, ladies and gentlemen, Quentin Richardson. Hey, now, let's pivot to the NFL. Obviously some big news. How do we get here? What does it mean? A man who's on vacation but will answer a call right before a golf trip? Ladies and gentlemen, senior insider for NFL Network, Ian Rapapora.

[Ian Rapoport]

After golf, I had a lesson today, actually.

[Pat McAfee]

So are we getting better?

[Ian Rapoport]

When you were texting me. No, no. I mean, everything is fine. The driver's going that way and I'm allegedly fixing it, but it just means every shot I hit is horrible. So it's whatever.

[Pat McAfee]

Now you got to aim left, brother. The way you fix that is you just aim left. If you got a slice and you're a righty, you just turn towards the trees on the left side and you let that some play right back into where you need it to be. You just go ahead.

[Ian Rapoport]

I'm aiming on the other hole. Man.

[Pat McAfee]

That's embarrassing for how much you play. You know that's like what children deal with, right? Like me, the super slices don't play.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, every once in a while you are telling me.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's tough. Has it always been this way or just this year, middle of last year.

[Ian Rapoport]

And I was like, it's fine. I'll work it out. And then I just started. People think I'm a good driver because they see where the balls land, but it's really because I'm aiming like two holes away and the ball goes down the Right side of the fairway. So end result is okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Doesn't matter. Yeah, brother. It doesn't. That. That end result is all we're looking for in golf.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That is literally the entire purpose of golf.

[Evan]

No pictures on the scorecard.

[Pat McAfee]

So what do you do? You aim way left. That thing ends up being 215 yards on the right side of the fairway. 62.

[Ian Rapoport]

60.

[Pat McAfee]

No way. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

So you're hitting 30 without the slice. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You're losing distance if you're aiming that far.

[Pat McAfee]

No way.

[Ian Rapoport]

Swing Speed is like 105. I should be hitting it far, but instead I hit it like all the way that way.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Ian Rapoport]

I'm working on something. I know. It's. It's a. Again, people think got those little clubs.

[Pat McAfee]

How. How. How do you. So what is. Do you. Have you been fitted for your. Obviously you're fitted. What type of club?

[Ian Rapoport]

Oh, Yeah, I got PXGs. They're awesome. Every other club is great. I am just got a five iron right here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That slice that you got just goes on.

[Ian Rapoport]

That must be kind of mean.

[Pat McAfee]

And on and on and on and on and on.

[Ian Rapoport]

I'm gonna figure it out one of these years. I'll figure it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think PXG has a bunch of things that, like, will cheat your slice for you. Like in there. Things that, like a driver will put a little bit more weight. Yeah. They'll add like a draw weight for you. Yeah. Why don't you do that?

[Ian Rapoport]

I'm trying to get the swing right.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, okay. You need to just accept who you are, brother. That's what you need to do. No, it's a lot more fun that way.

[Ian Rapoport]

No, I'm work again today. I had a good hour session. I didn't fix anything. But I've identified some things.

[Pat McAfee]

Scotty Scheffler was on game day sitting right next to me. And now he's a good golfer. So good at golf. And I got his tip. I. I got his. His tip. Basically, soon as game day ended. We're sitting. Yeah. I didn't pause it is. I got his golf tip. His golf tip in his entire thing. What's so funny? Yeah, relax. See? And you gave the face first. You knew what I was talking about. You're. Oh, really? You're kind of excited over there. The Scheffler's right next to me. Okay. Sheffler's right next to me. Game day ends, but there's like a 30 second awkward time where the camera's on something. Show's not Over. But it is kinda can't stand up. And I'm like, I'm not letting him out of here without getting at least something. Yeah. So I literally grabbed. I think I had a Sharpie. And I go, so I'm trying to do. And then, boom. Square this thing up. And then I'm rolling. He goes, are we off? Don't do that. I'm like, aren't I trying to square that? Right? I'm trying to square that thing. No, don't ever do that again. He goes, just swing whatever's natural to you. Just whatever your natural swing is. Just swing. Your natural swing. I was like, well, my natural swing is, boom. He goes, do that. And I'm like, well, then I'll slice it. He goes, nah, then just change your footwork or wherever you're standing. It's like, just do whatever is natural to you. Anytime you change what your natural swing is, it's not gonna be your best swing. And I was like, scotty, that's genius. So I take that thing up to his golf sim. Basically, Scotty told me, just fucking put the club in my hand.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

If I make contact, this thing's gonna do what it's going to. And I'm looking like you. I mean, like, three things go away, right? Obviously, I'm like, well, I'll move my feet. Then I'll open a son up. Nothing. I'm whiffing on it. It's like, scotty, I think you think this is a lot easier than it is. But I think that is Scotty's mindset. Just, I'm just swinging. But his swing is. Literally, since he's a kid, they've been telling him, this is your. Your swing. I don't think he fully understands that I'm an amateur anyway. Well, but.

[Ian Rapoport]

But also, like, this is why these guys, who are, like, unbelievably talented, struggles as coaches. Because it's like, can you just do what I do? And you're like, no, I cannot.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't ever do that. Don't do that again. Like, well, ain't I trying to. I'm rolling over here. Don't ever do that again.

[Evan]

Come out of pocket.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, thank you, Scotty. Let's talk football. George Pickens is a Dallas Cowboy. Is this what Jerry Jones was referring to before the draft when he said, I'm up something here? I got a little something going on. I'm thinking about two substantive trades or whatever it is. Substantive, substantive, substantive trades. Maybe before the draft, maybe after draft. She had a bumpy next Year, who knows? There's something coming. I'm cooking it. That is what he was talking about this entire time. And when did the Steelers decide they were going to move on from George Pickens, you think, and send him anywhere, let alone to the Dallas Cowboys?

[Ian Rapoport]

First, the Steelers, part of it. So they, they trade for DK Metcalf, obviously. Big trade, kind of beef up their receiving core. And you know, if you look at it, it's like teams rarely have like two great, great receivers. It's hard, right? I mean, the Bengals do. But look at what it took for the Bengals to have those two and then pay both of them. Usually what teams do is they have one great one another young ones or complimentary, because it's like to allocate that much resources. It's a challenge. You can do it, but it's a challenge. And so it seems the Steelers wanted to hang on to George Pickens. They wanted to keep George Pickens, but there was a price where it's like, all right, right, at some point this is worth it, right? Because if they weren't going to pay him, which by trading him they made it clear like they were not looking to pay this guy the extension price, then it's like if he leaves as a big time free agent, he's worth a third round pick compensatory. So they basically lock that in now and they trade him to the Cowboys, who were looking, since you're right, this was before the draft. Actually thought this was going to get done before the draft. And like I, I thought, because usually teams want to do it for the draft picks, then they make the draft picks and then like, that's your, that's your trade didn't get done for whatever reason, Cowboys weren't able to get a receiver. Like if, If Tetro and McNohan was there at 12, maybe this trade wouldn't have happened. I think it probably wouldn't have. But they didn't get the receiver they wanted. They make the trade, get a big receiver, too. It's a gamble. It's a gamble, but big time, big time talent for the Cowboys.

[Pat McAfee]

George is so good whenever he's playing, you know, it's just everything else. Are they able to get him to buy in new head coach? First time head coach now in Dallas. With him on the team, it's something you would have to monitor. We will as football fans. But if him and Dak get on the same page and he rolls down there as a Dallas Cowboy, which he might feel more comfortable as a Cowboy than as a Steeler. It's like George Pickens has a chance to be mega star. Prime time. George Pickens every week is what the Dallas Cowboys are. It's like there's a chance GP Becomes a megastar here. Mulligeth is his agent, so there's a chance he gets paid a mega amount of money as well.

[Ian Rapoport]

I mean, the whole thing is a little bit funny because Jerry Jones went and did the whole, like, I don't know, Micah Parsons agent. And then it's like, all right. Like, well, Pickens got the same agent.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know.

[Ian Rapoport]

He's one of the, you know, most big time agents, the nfi. I assume he'll figure it out eventually.

[Pat McAfee]

Jerry. Jerry definitely knows who Mulaguetti is. He's the guy that signed the Desean Walter. 200 million guaranteed.

[Ian Rapoport]

He was probably very mad about that.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. I would assume that's when we'll get to this. That's when we'll get to football. And George Pickens has an opportunity here to change the trajectory of his career and his life. If you have one great season on prime time, what, 10, 11 times, you have a chance to do it all. So I hope it works out for George. Hope it ends up working out for the Steelers there. Now let's move to a couple other conversations that still need to be sorted. Connor has a question for you.

[Connor]

Yeah, Rabshee, you mentioned in the Bengals there were T. Higgins and Jamar Chase, but the other guy in that kind of trio that was talked about this offseason was Trey Hendrickson. Is there any update on that front? It feels like everything's gone quiet since we last heard from Trey about the entire situation and the lack of communication from the Bengals front office.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

So I think that everything going quiet was probably by design on all parties.

[Ryan Smith]

Right.

[Ian Rapoport]

Like he did the interview with you guys with, which was really like very, very good, expansive, excellent journalism.

[Connor]

Yep.

[Ian Rapoport]

I mean, it was. Well, for the first time in the whole week, journalism did not finish second. Finished first.

[Pat McAfee]

That interview there's numerous weeks ago. Journalism was nowhere. Just you. You tried your best there. Sovereignty did its thing. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, yeah, we get it. Journalism losing his sovereignty. We're past that. He just. He walks. He won't run to Preakness. So we got no Triple Crown. No Triple Crown, which you gotta pat for.

[Ian Rapoport]

Did a good job of. Right. You got to change the calendar. You got to give a little more time, let it breathe a little bit so you get the best horses in the best.

[Pat McAfee]

Let sovereignty breathe. Let Sovereignty. Let Sovereignty live a little after winning the Kentucky Derby instead of saying, hey, hope you're happy that that's two hours. Get your ass ready. We got Pre Nan coming up.

[AJ Hawk]

What do you want him to go on vacation? He's a horse.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[AJ Hawk]

Supposed to run.

[Pat McAfee]

Stutter Rattle. Make him run. You're a Derby champion.

[Connor]

The old horses, I mean, they're rolling over in.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a modern generation. There's a lot more business opportunities nowadays than back in the 1920s.

[Connor]

They're rolling over in their glue thinking about this right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're telling me journalism would have showed up if they would I die. They don't make.

[Connor]

Make them like they used to. The old generation was the greatest generation.

[Pat McAfee]

I understand they said secretary was smoking cigs in between the rails. I understand what you're saying. We have more analytics now. We have more fun now. We have more opportunity now. Let Sovereignty live a little bit before you got to get back out there and win Preak Nasty in front of a bunch of drunk people in Baltimore. They'll run across the top of the Porta John's. They don't want to let Sovereignty run drunk across the top the of Porter Johnson because just won a Kentucky Derby. Let Sovereignty live. Journalism died so Sovereignty could live.

[Connor]

Look at that.

[Pat McAfee]

And now we don't anyways have ruined.

[Connor]

Our great sport back when men were men and horses were horses. Now, now they're. Now they're taking time off. It's ridiculous. It's sad.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like the rest. No, it was ruining the NBA there for.

[AJ Hawk]

It was.

[Ian Rapoport]

I like it when I have it, though. Just so we're clear.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're always having rest. We know.

[Ian Rapoport]

That's the good part.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Actually, you interrupt your rest to go do like go instructions and then, oh, I need more rest. Let me send my kids into the woods for 10 months. Yeah, yeah, we. You love rest. But speaking of rest, can we get the rest of the story with Trey Hendrickson? What's going to happen?

[Ian Rapoport]

Yes, Trey Hendricks. So I think that was by design that everything went quiet because usually when, like, he made his point, I think it was received. Very received. There has been some communication between the Bengals and Trey Henderson since that interview. Since the draft, like, there have been talks. I think he, you know, I think, you know, the picked a Shemar Stewart off the edge. I think he understands that. I think they want to do a deal now. A trade. I would never rule out a trade because it's the NFL. And as we learned yesterday, trades could happen Literally at any moment, including, like, I don't know, 1am or whenever that trade was basically done. But I think they want to keep them. I think they're going to make moves toward. They haven't yet. The Bengals sometimes function maybe different, maybe a little slower than some organizations, but they do want to keep him and do a deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Got it. Okay, quick question here. We only have a couple seconds, a couple minutes here. Tone has it for you.

[Evan]

Yeah. Before the draft, another one of those names that could be traded, could be cut. Was Dallas Goddard coming out of the Eagles. Just came out that he restructured his deal. What was. What went into all that?

[Ian Rapoport]

So they had a couple trade offers around the time of the draft or maybe during the draft. And the Eagles, they kind of do it, right. Like, I. I believe is they went to him and they were kind of like, what would you think? And his decision was essentially go somewhere else or take a little bit of a pay cut and keep the band back together. He chose to take a pay cut. I believe that he went from 14 to 10. That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

14 to 10. And he can earn a little more in incentives, but he stays and he has a chance. So he no extension, which is a win for him because if he goes out and plays well, stays on the field like he can, then he probably cashes in again. But new deal not going anywhere. Philly keeps it together.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Derek Carr. Jane Slater wrote a bunch of updates. He found out his shoulder was hurt once he started working out again. That's why it took so long. The Saints are trying to figure out what they want to do. Derek Carr contemplating surgery. Not.

[Ian Rapoport]

That is a long tweet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, long. I mean, through it all, what is the. We have one minute, literally. What do you think the Derek Carr situation. Situation is? They're all trying to figure it out still.

[Ian Rapoport]

I believe Derek Carr would like to not have surgery. I believe he would like to rehab, get this thing right, get back on the field for week one, which my understanding is still at least a possibility. But there's been no, like, firm, like, he's not having surgery, he's good to go. Or he is having surgery, and if he has surgery, it's major, potentially not playing next season. Like, that's what nobody wants. So I believe he is doing what he can now to try to get back on the field for week one, and we will see where it ends up.

[Pat McAfee]

Tyler Shuck, Louisville starting quarterback, potentially starting quarterback of the New Orleans Saints. Excited to see how this.

[Ian Rapoport]

You see him at the derby hey.

[Pat McAfee]

That'S cuz he's been working. Okay, like you need to start doing, maybe give us a little bit more information, maybe break some news. Okay. Geez Louise.

[Ian Rapoport]

I'm trying, I'm trying.

[AJ Hawk]

Throw that hat in the fireplace.

[Evan]

Yeah, cool hat.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll get rid of that.

[Ian Rapoport]

Trying to get the what?

[Pat McAfee]

Hour two is on the other side. Goodbye. Hey, I'm Brad Milkey.

[Evan]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Evan]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Evan]

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[Pat McAfee]

ABC's got some unique access here, so.

[Evan]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Evan]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Evan]

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[Pat McAfee]

I'm Brian Buckmire, an ABC News legal contributor. As Diddy heads to trial, we trace his remarkable rise and fall. And what could be next? Listen to Bad Rap the Case Against Diddy, a new series from ABC Audio. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. Sports are wonderful, and we're incredibly lucky that we get to talk about them every single day. A lot of sports are happening right now and we are incredibly thankful for them. The NBA is showing up in a fashion that makes us say holy shite. The NHL is showing up in a way that makes us go, oh my. Holy shite. The NFL has some trades taking place in the middle of an off season and kind of a dead time while the insiders are golfing and doing their bullshit. Makes you go, holy shite. We're on Holy Shite Thursday. And speaking of holy, there's a new post.

[AJ Hawk]

We get it.

[Pat McAfee]

Amen. We named the show today Holy Shite Thursday because of what was going to happen in the sports world. We had no idea there's going to be some actual holy shit that is happening in the world today. New Pope has been decided. Congrats to whoever the hell that is.

[Connor]

Can't believe it.

[Pat McAfee]

That Pope Mobile's got a new owner of the Keys. Okay, that Sistine Chapel now has a new boss The. The priests all over the world have somebody else that's going to be telling what to do. And a dream has come true for somebody that has committed their life to the good word from the Lord. Hell, yeah. Yeah. Is that a good descriptor of what just happened?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, we may. You. You don't know. We may have a completely different Mass two weeks from now.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? So this new Pope has a chance to go remix. We are. Are going elsewhere.

[AJ Hawk]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Typically, we're leading off with the gin and juice.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, sure. Communion right from the start.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We're leaning on. Let's get a. Let's go ahead and get a little star. Get a little, you know, let's have a happy hour to start this entire thing a little bit, you know. Do you want the body of Christ? Hell, yeah. Do you think they're gonna do that a little bit? Is there. Is there a chance?

[AJ Hawk]

There's a chance.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a chance. That is what the Pope has the capability of doing. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't think it happens a whole lot because Mass has been pretty much massive Mass, you know, my entire life, so. But I'm. I'm of the understanding the Pope can basically do whatever the hell he wants when it comes to the Catholic.

[Pat McAfee]

What if this particular Pope has had a bad knee for his entire life and he said, I'm about. We too much.

[AJ Hawk]

We're not kneeling anymore.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not doing it. We'll do it one time. Okay. We'll kneel for the Lord. We'll certainly. We don't need it to be every other song and dance.

[Connor]

The verbiage, they can change, like the words.

[AJ Hawk]

They better not. That's gonna be one my one thing. Thing for the.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, may the Lord be with you.

[AJ Hawk]

And also, that has changed. But wait. Yeah, exactly. Wait till, you know, it's been maybe three or four years since you've been to Mass, and you go back at Christmas or Easter or something like that, and you don't know any of the goddamn words anymore.

[Pat McAfee]

You can't say that. Well, I know with the way we're.

[AJ Hawk]

Talking right now, like an. Because you're trying to, you know, be advanced, and it's like, that guy hasn't been here forever. He doesn't know what's.

[Pat McAfee]

So maybe the new Pope, though, does want to expose the kind of fou Catholics that only come and go, maybe Easter, Christmas, and then whenever they have to show. Maybe they. Maybe this new Pope is your worst enemy, brother. Maybe. Maybe he's changing everything that's fine by me. What, what are some of the things that would have been changed because I'm not a Catholic?

[AJ Hawk]

I know one of the things that I read was like, you know, kind of reintroducing Latin back into the Mass a little bit because like a lot of masses like a while back and like, if you like, I don't like.

[Pat McAfee]

That the dollar is being kind of pushed out of some places.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

And I don't like that the English language, the one that I understand is getting pushed out of this entire thing. That's what's happening. Are we all going to get more sophisticated and learn Latin?

[AJ Hawk]

That's how like so like if I don't know about Tim, it may have been like when he went to high school, like when my parents were in high school, like they, there were certain masses that were in all lat still like in like the 70s, you know. So like that, that has been a very popular thing. But I think it's more, it's more like bigger picture stuff with like how the Catholic Church is going to operate. Like, because typically the archdiocese, like around the country and the world, like they kind of dictate how the masses go and how they're going to operate. But like anytime there's, you know, these big time scandals and things like that, it's hey, how's the Pope going to respond to this? How are we going to get, you know, our marching orders for what we're supposed to do writ large? So we'll see. He may change the mess up. He may not do anything.

[Pat McAfee]

The I paper is currently streaming live over there. Crowds have gathered to find out who's the Pope. And I don't know what's going on. I don't know what the Convos are. I don't really know this world much, but I know it's a big deal. White smoke out of smokestack today when it wasn't expected for another few weeks. And people have come from, from Portugal all the way over to Rome to celebrate the hell out of the next poll.

[AJ Hawk]

There is a cardinal from New York in attendance. I saw a tweet he had this morning and he basically said like, I'm not going to be able to talk to you guys for a long time.

[Connor]

No wonder the Knicks are winning. It's horseshit.

[AJ Hawk]

It's possible. It's possible. So we, we do have some representation over there, which is nice, but like you said, I mean everyone's kind of just waiting on bated breath to see who this guy's going to be.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I'm excited. Maybe change the popemobile to too.

[AJ Hawk]

So I believe the previous pope, after he died, he did give that popemobile away to. Can't remember who it was. May have been like his home country, like a village or something. So I think we are getting a brand new popemobile. I'm sure they have a couple new.

[Pat McAfee]

Pop mobile, new pope plane.

[Connor]

I assume get a young one, get like a Lambo and just. Just add a little layer to it.

[Pat McAfee]

Because it's hard to get in and out of those old popes. Wouldn't be able to get in and.

[Connor]

Out of, like, get one of these young pups. It's like, hey, let's make this thing sick, man. I mean, we go the other way.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Connor]

What about some American muscle?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Monster truck. Bigfoot.

[Connor]

Bingo. Rebel ram.

[Pat McAfee]

Could you imagine? Oh, maybe a rebel Ram truck. 2500. 2500. We're not 2800 yet, but maybe if the pope puts his ass in, it might be up there. 2800, but yeah, 2500. You're talking about the rebel ram truck. Could you imagine the pope in his gown?

[AJ Hawk]

Sure.

[Connor]

I don't know what it regalia.

[AJ Hawk]

Stepping up into that PA robes.

[Connor]

Excuse me.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah. Have a little respect, please, guys. Went to Catholic school his whole life. Jeez Louise.

[Evan]

Long time ago.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, God bless. Congrats to the Catholics. A lot of Catholics, obviously. I'm Irish and grew up in an Italian. The Catholics are all in, you know, The Catholics are all in, and they got a new boss, and we can't wait to see who it is. 1/2 of the hammer done Cowboys AP. Tony's here, the talks tables here at Boston. Connor at Ty Schmidt joining us live from Manatican, Ohio. Man, who has really kept an eye on this entire thing. He's college football national champions, super bowl champion riding cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. Aj, do you have a favorite for who's gonna pop up in that window as the next pope?

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't know if I have a favorite, but it did make me wonder when I watched you kind of show what it will look like when he steps on the balcony. You know, when you just pop up like, ooh, I'm the new guy. Guy has. Have any of these new popes ever been booed by the crowd? I would imagine it's universally celebrated when they first announce them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I probably think you're going, hell, you boo the next pope, right? Yeah, he's like, definitely a baby face. You know, Raj comes out with firefighters and the military and legends and Kids and everything like that. I don't think the Pope has to, because he's coming out with God. Right? That's kind of what. That is, kind of what he's coming out with. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You probably have to go back to Joseph Rat Singer. He was a Pope a couple. Couple Popes ago, and people didn't love him when he got elected. But, you know, that's. That's kind of the name of the game.

[Pat McAfee]

That's Ratzinger football.

[AJ Hawk]

That's Joe Ratzinger.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What did he. Did he change anything? Did he add more wine to the shots? Or was it. Did he do any of that type of stuff? Can we get bigger chalices, bigger bodies?

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I think, yeah. Bigger challenges and bigger bodies. Yeah. Maybe like a. Like a Ritz cracker size.

[AJ Hawk]

I'd be in for that.

[Connor]

Be cool.

[Pat McAfee]

A little larger, maybe. Peanut bar, too, if so, please.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Little pink bar on her.

[AJ Hawk]

That's not a bad idea.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, what a thing.

[Connor]

Do we know where Rogers is right now?

[Pat McAfee]

He might have been in there.

[Evan]

He might be there.

[Connor]

How do we. How do we know?

[Ty Schmidt]

The conclave.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that what that was?

[Connor]

Is that what. That ring.

[Pat McAfee]

Have we got any clarity? Is that a Pope ring that he was wearing down there at the Kentucky Dirt? Have you got any clarity from your friend Aaron Rodgers?

[Ty Schmidt]

I have not. I don't know if you guys saw it or not. I froze up for a second. I don't know if you guys did.

[Ryan Smith]

I have.

[Ty Schmidt]

I have not had any communication with this situation. I really did not.

[Pat McAfee]

I did see you freeze. If it must be on our side, because Q Rich was frozen as well in the first. If this is gonna happen to you for the entire time, we'll let you know. But you just know that we can hear you clearly the entire time. This happens for me whenever I'm at raw, you know, there'll be like, a glitch, a frozen screen. I can't see anything, but you guys can hear everything I'm saying. So then I have to, like. Then I'm wondering, am I on air right now? Am I not on. Do I look stupid? Do I sound stupid? We'll let you know. If we can't hear visually, though, it appears today you're probably going to be frozen a couple different times. Make sure you don't look stupid, A.J. oh, don't be caught, you know, any of those. Don't be doing any of that. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is an Emmy winner. Never forget it. Never forget this man is an Emmy winner.

[AJ Hawk]

Nope.

[Pat McAfee]

Was part of changing the course of morning television for everybody, not just in the sport. Now works for espn. He's an insider, he's an analyst, he's a pundit, he's a friend, He's a networker. Ladies and gentlemen, from the draft Spectacular, Peter Schrager. Yeah. How you doing, man? I'm good.

[Harvey]

I am amazed at the lack of insider prowess journalism on the Pope beat. Like, how does nobody have anything? There are millions of people looking for this answer. There's not a single insider who develops, devotes their time to being like, I got the answer. I'm gonna break it. I'm watching on my timeline, everyone just throwing out names. And Pietro Parolin, favorite dog.

[Connor]

It's a big dog.

[Harvey]

Luis Antonio Tegel. Got a big fan base.

[Connor]

Good tape.

[Harvey]

Mateo Zuppy.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Zuppy's a dog. They say.

[Harvey]

I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this. I've been texting with Mel Kuiper. We both have Shador, number one on our list.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go, let's go. Fedora was the Pope. I think we would all be non surprised. I appreciate you doing a little research on who's going to be in the Pope, because I don't think that is, you know, necessarily in your world there the. The thought of those 133 voters not being leakers. You know, insiders only work if there's a leaker. And I think there's probably some passage in there somewhere, and that's a big book, the Bible somewhere. You do not tell insiders anything. I think that's probably pretty. They send smoke signals, brother, let alone text and things like that. Although I did.

[Harvey]

You would think one of these. One of these guys in the. You know, who's up for one of them has an agent who's also in cahoots with one of the reporters and is just feeding them in. Like you would think at least one. An agent has a good agent who's like, I'm going to put this out there, kind of test the waters.

[Pat McAfee]

Nothing, nada. You presenting the idea that one of these cardinals has an agent is so funny to think. Because what if there's battling of agents?

[AJ Hawk]

You never know.

[Connor]

For the Pope, there's only one insider in this business, and that's Jesus and Nazareth, baby.

[Pat McAfee]

No doubt. You think he knows? He knew, right? Oh, yeah. Is he the one that makes a decision? What are they doing? So. So whenever they're in there, they're all like, how's it. How's it. They're Looking for.

[Ty Schmidt]

They take votes, right? Don't they take votes on who gets it? Shregs, I would assume. Strikes knows.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Connor]

It's a five on five pickup game. And whoever's got the most points.

[Pat McAfee]

Have you seen those monks? Yeah. Have you seen those monks play?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Ball. Monks can hoop. Monks can really hoop. I assume these younger popes got gain a little bit.

[AJ Hawk]

Without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's play. Let's check. So who's your favorite? It sounded like you were reading off the favorites.

[Harvey]

Who were everyone's pick. But I'm telling you what I'm looking at. Peter Erdo. He's kind of like a lower ranked guy right now. I'm a big Erdo fan, so I'm going Peter Erdo.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Good luck to Peter Erdo and all.

[Connor]

High seal.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, high seal. Nowhere, nowhere near what he could be. Yeah, Hugh jumps. All right, let's talk about Hugh. Huge upside. We just. They just open the curtains. Ladies and gentlemen. We have the answer. We have the answer.

[Connor]

Let's go.

[Pat McAfee]

It's the one with the red hat. Is that who it is?

[Evan]

Holy. It's him.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's hear that. No audio. Okay, can't get audio. Is that the new pope? The one in the middle? I thought.

[Connor]

No, I thought he had a bigger.

[Pat McAfee]

They're announcing his name.

[Connor]

A bigger hat? Yeah, I think they're lower.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at that microphone the guy's holding on the left. It's like a Bob Barker. Price's right microphone, but like.

[Connor]

Yeah, here we go. And now.

[Pat McAfee]

Standing at 5 foot 7, we have some audio.

[Connor]

He's from Boston.

[Pat McAfee]

I think so. Yeah. And a primo. We see binomain in posit leonem decimum quartum.

[Evan]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that who it was? Decimate Chef Quaffu. Is that an offer?

[Connor]

No, I think it's the name. Right before they open the.

[Evan]

Couldn't agree more with what he said.

[Connor]

I think he's just listing a bunch of people.

[Harvey]

You know, I'm fired up right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Here we go. Here he comes. Oh, there it is. There's the window, I assume. Oh, shit. Zoom in. I paper shout to the I paper on YouTube. You should follow along for everything we could possibly need. They're setting up flags up there. It appears celebratory. What if he comes out? Double guns. Is it gonna happen right now? Holy. There's crew.

[Evan]

They're the boys.

[Pat McAfee]

The boys.

[Peter Schrager]

The boys.

[Ty Schmidt]

These are boys. Upset they didn't make it.

[Connor]

No, no, the boys are there.

[Pat McAfee]

A flag has been hung.

[Connor]

Here we go.

[Evan]

See the T shirt cannon.

[Pat McAfee]

The smoke was smoking. If there is a T shirt cannon, we will certainly work. Celebrate.

[Evan]

Beautiful red.

[Pat McAfee]

That is good red. He's had some sort of cardinal red. It's cardboard. But a lot of people saying American Pope coming. Shut up.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

From Chicago is what the Internet's saying. An American Pope in 2025 spinning a.

[Connor]

Basketball on his finger.

[Pat McAfee]

Is Jordan.

[Connor]

Is his name Michael Jordan?

[Evan]

Can you imagine if it was?

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, how does America win this one? I'm pretty pumped up where in the middle.

[Evan]

Comes out doing it.

[Harvey]

Comes out doing a tick tock video.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. I'm trying to. Nice.

[Ty Schmidt]

Trying to get that younger demo.

[Pat McAfee]

Got people climbing statues.

[Connor]

I still think Rogers is coming out.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a chance.

[Connor]

I still think it.

[Pat McAfee]

They all look like they're ball fans. Do they know they boo if it's an American Pope. I. That's what we talked about earlier. Like, has there ever been a boo. Look at that. What a setup. All the boys up there. That's what they're saying right there. They're going to set up all the boys.

[Evan]

Next time.

[Pat McAfee]

We should be up there. Yeah. So they're just priests, these guys? Yeah, these guys are just run of the mill priests.

[AJ Hawk]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

Our guys up there are cardinals who used to be priests. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

They have elevated in the church.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So there's been 266 popes. I guess this could potentially be the first American Pope of all time.

[Evan]

History.

[Connor]

Don't. Don't hold your breath.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody on the Internet is saying, I even have a name. I just had a name dropped. Mr. Previs.

[Harvey]

Don't tip pics.

[Pat McAfee]

Do not tip. When's he coming out? Will they do a USA chant when he walks out or not?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm going to lose my mind. This guy's American. That will be better.

[Pat McAfee]

Come out of the Bulls intro. Yeah. Legit comes out the cotton. When's this gonna happen? They really take their time. I forgot about the Catholics. They build suspense.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's what they do.

[Pat McAfee]

Is it breaking? Yeah.

[Connor]

No, it's real.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time in the history of Catholicism, I believe what we are waiting on right now is for an American lad to walk out to a window and say, it's me. I'm your next Pope. Congrats to Mr. Privost. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

That is correct.

[Pat McAfee]

Pope's Prevost. We did it. Usa. Usa. Usa. Usa. Hey. He went in there with moxie. We knew he had it. Yeah, we knew he had it. We knew he had the ability to walk into a room and Turn everybody into his favor. We knew he had the experience to say, hey, listen, I've been doing this Catholic school in Chicago for a long, long time. I've been able to reach everybody that I've ever been able to speak to. I love the book that we're reading. The Bible's the greatest. But let me talk about our kind of rituals a little bit. I got some ideas. I got a little flavor, I got a little spunk. I got a little fun in this entire thing. I'm from the United States of America. And, yeah, sometimes we ruin stuff, but also we make things better. First time, 266 popes. We got an American in there.

[AJ Hawk]

That's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Red, white, smoke and blue. I love everything about what's going on over there. Tie. I don't know anything about Catholicism other than the fact that Jesus Christ, he's the one.

[AJ Hawk]

Diversions.

[Pat McAfee]

And you guys are in a lot of hardwood in there. Yep, a lot of hardwood. A lot of big stained glass windows. Okay. We're pretty committed, I believe, very committed into the Catholic religion, you know? Very committed.

[AJ Hawk]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

An American guy. What does this mean? Is this a big deal or not?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it's a massive deal.

[Pat McAfee]

So Notre Dame's gonna win the national championship or what?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I would say tomorrow. Their odds should, you know, skyrocket. I just assumed that in my lifetime and probably in my kid's lifetime and maybe even in their kids lifetime, that we would never see a Pope from the United States.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Because not the way it works.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at us. USA Shregs. I didn't know this was happening until this morning. And now I'm super pumped. We win again.

[AJ Hawk]

And he's from Chicago.

[Harvey]

Huge long shot. Not on anyone's board. Out of Chicago. Went to Villanova. Okay. And then was that Catholic Theological Union in the Pontification University of St. Thomas Aquinas. 69 years old. I'm into this guy. This is Robert Francis Prevost. I'm into him. I like this guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, 69. He's still got a good 20 from the previous post. He's got maybe 40, 50 more years. Yeah. All right. Congratulations. Good pick over there. Cardinals got it right.

[Connor]

What's he going to do? First 100 days now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What's his first 100 days? We need that laid out. We want to see it. I'm sure he's ready. He Villanova guy.

[Connor]

So is he gonna go, you know, do something for the Wildcats? You gotta.

[Pat McAfee]

He played for Jay Wright, maybe drops the buck, right? Yeah, yeah. Smacks the wood. I Mean, he's not scared to do that. Okay, let's talk about football. Obviously, I think we've done enough Pope talk for probably the year. Yeah, we did it. Good. I can't wait.

[Harvey]

We got some good singers in there.

[Connor]

Pope Leo.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at you. Don't tip the pick. That was hysterical. Okay, let's get to speaking of pick, pick. George Pickens is now a member of the Dallas Cowboys. Now, there was obviously a couple different thoughts. Whenever DK Metcalf gets paid $30 million a year annually as a wide receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers without ever playing a snap for them, that is so out of the ordinary for the Pittsburgh Steelers to do that. But they want to make a run. They want to make a splash. They need another weapon. Yada, yada, yada. A lot of Pittsburgh Steelers fans, like, all right, now we got two wide receivers. We've always needed two wide receivers. Then some people are like, well, how is DK and George Pickens, Pickens, throughout an entire season going to be able to coexist two number ones in their head? Now, I know CD is number one as well, but, you know, how will that be able to go? Now we find out that they're moving on from George Pickens because there's a potential, you know, obviously contract conversation. There's also looking ahead at the next draft. Potential conversation. Like, how do you think we got to this point of George Pickens getting moved from the Pittsburgh Steelers? Schrager, from your standpoint.

[Harvey]

Yeah, look, so I've done a lot of work on this the last 24 hours, and it's like, George Pickens runs hot. And you see it on Sundays when he's throwing his helmet and he's. He's having meltdowns and crash outs on the sidelines, all that stuff. But I know this sounds like I'm buttering up to the player, and I've gotten a lot of that when I say this, like, he wasn't a disliked player in that building. Now, he was late for certain things. And there was issues on game day on Sunday with him getting frustrated with the quarterback play and wanting the ball. But to a man, everyone in Pittsburgh was like, shows up like, he works hard, he blocks his ass off, and he can still play. The truth of the matter was they weren't going to pay him the big money that he was going to be due at the end of this season, and they figured they could move on. Now, they did pay the money to DK Metcalf. They're moving on. They like Roman Wilson. They like Calvin Austin, they like the wide receiver room they have. They also like an offense that has Pat Friermuth and what they can do up there. So there are so many question marks in Pittsburgh. This one seemed odd. When you look at the fantasy football stats or you look at. Okay, well they at least had the strength of these two, number 1 and 1A wide receivers. But from a Steelers standpoint, move on now, pick up a third round pick. You're probably going to get a bunch of compensatory picks in free agency this coming year based on what left the building. And now you're loading up for the next draft. And George Pickens, is he an all time Steeler? No, but he's had some cool moments and they'll move on and if he goes on and it's one of the best ones wide receivers in football, I don't think the Steelers are going to be crying about it. It didn't work out in his three years here. They move on from that standpoint. I think Pittsburgh's fine with it, but I don't think this is one of those things where like he was a total diva and we couldn't stand him and Tomlin couldn't coach him. I didn't get that read talking to the Steelers.

[Pat McAfee]

People got it. It was like, we know who he is, we like him, we respect who he is. Fresh start will be good for all parties and we're not going to pay him. We just paid DK 30 million, which could be them, you know, saying this isn't what we want to sign up up for. Dallas Cowboys feel like a great place to potentially have George Pickens become a megastar in the NFL. Especially with how many times he's on prime time and we've seen how great he can be. And you're talking about his blocking. Yeah, he bodies people now. There's some plays where that doesn't happen, but if he's able to take that next step, you're talking superstar, shoddy, first time head coach, new head coach in Dallas brings in George Pickens. What do you think expectations are now for the Cowboys? Is it always going Super Bowl? Is that literally how we have to talk about the Cowboys?

[Harvey]

Well, look, you have to bump it up now because this is basically a one year deal for a player that you gave up a third round pick, which is a high quality pick. And now you're saying this was the plan all along or this is what we had up our sleeves when we didn't draft a wide receiver at 12th overall and we didn't address that position. So here comes Pickens, who, as much as I just said he could be good teammate and he could block. He's not a model citizen on the field on Sundays if he doesn't get the rock. Last year, CD Lane got 73 more targets than the Cowboys number two wide receiver. I would imagine he's going to get a lot more targets than George Pickens. How is he going to handle that? Which puts the onus not only on Pickens, puts the onus on Schottenheimer, who for the last two months has been preaching culture, culture, culture. We're culture.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy shit. There he is. There he is. Strange. That's the American Pope. First time ever. Shout out to.

[Evan]

Did I read some. He's going to go by Leo.

[Connor]

Leo, yeah.

[Evan]

Pope Leo.

[Pat McAfee]

Pope Leo, great name. He's seen Titanic. Yeah, he understands the Leo name. He's beautiful. Okay, shout out to Pope Leo from America. First time in 266po. His moments getting to him. How could it not? Guy has. Guy has emotions. Guy wears his heart on his.

[AJ Hawk]

His papal road.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, this guy's ready to make the world better. Okay, let's get back to George Pickett. Sorry, that was. That was literally the first shot there of him. George. No.

[Harvey]

Are we okay with the Pope being so emotional or do we want to see him more?

[Pat McAfee]

You know, know.

[Connor]

I'm a level headed guy. I'm pretty. I mean, tears on your first day, Pope?

[Harvey]

I don't know, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Drink up. Tr.

[Connor]

It means a lot to him. Father Lock in. I didn't know you got a new. You know, leave those.

[Pat McAfee]

He's allowed to have a parade.

[Connor]

Yeah, he can have. He can have him in the back behind closed doors with his boys, with his cardinals. He's out there crying like a baby.

[Pat McAfee]

Look how joyful he is. Look how pushing is. He's great. Grateful for the moment. He's allowed to feel that way.

[Connor]

Feels like the moment.

[Harvey]

It's like Sirianni at the Super Bowl. That lone peerage is coming down.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let Pope Leo live.

[Connor]

It feels like the moment might be too big for him.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Harvey]

Eagles didn't win that Super Bowl.

[Connor]

I'm a little worried.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[Connor]

Thank you. Thank you, Shreks.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean he's not ready for the money? He's staring him down.

[AJ Hawk]

He's ready for the moment.

[Connor]

Yeah, he's staring him down, crying like.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, think about how comfortable. Think about how comfortable you got to be in your own skin, in your own.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Painful robes.

[Pat McAfee]

Think about how comfortable you got to be. To cry.

[Harvey]

I'm getting, getting. I'm getting texts from the other Pope's candidates. They're not. They're. Look at him. He's crying up there.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. My God, I wish I had two.

[Connor]

Day one.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, reach.

[Evan]

Bit of a reach.

[Pat McAfee]

George Pickens, bit of a reach. George Pickens has a chance to elevate that team down there, though. We all know that. We all respect that. We all kind of expect that.

[Harvey]

I think it's just like, Shotty has been in this league for a long time. He's talking culture and, like, in all eyes on this guy, I got to go back to the way they hired him. So unorthodox. Mike McCarthy's contract runs out and they didn't do the full search. They didn't sit down with Ben Johnson, they didn't sit down with Cliff Kingsbury. They didn't sit down with all these different guys. They did a very limited search. And it was basically like, on Friday at 6 o' clock, we're hiring Brian Schottenheimer, who's been here the last few years, whether you like it or not. And that's kind of how it's done. And it's like, trust us, we got this. Well, now you've got Dak making 60 million coming off an injury, and you've got, of course, course, a bunch of question marks with Zach Martin no longer on the team, being the leader in the offensive line room. So there's all these question marks, and I think George Pickens is a piece to this, but at the end of the day, it's going to be shoddy and it's going to be Dak and whether they can get it done when it matters.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. I'm excited for Shawnee figured out. Go ahead.

[Ty Schmidt]

AJ Triggs. Do you have any idea how long they've been shopping this, like, how long this has been going on? We've heard Jerry make comments in the past. They were working on some big things before and during the draft. And also second part, like, do you know how George Pickens feels at all about this? Was he okay moving on? Was he okay getting moved?

[Harvey]

I don't know. And I wouldn't know it from the player perspective at this moment, but I think from what I've gathered, hearing around the league that Dallas has opened arms in a wide way and are really happy to have them now. Is this what the trade was? I think so. The fact that t. Mac went eighth overall, Ted Arroyo, McMillan to Carolina, they weren't going to reach on Matthew Golden. They weren't going to reach on a booker just to get a wide receiver. So instead they took Booker, the offensive lineman who's going to play center for them and is an absolute dog. And then they said, okay, we'll address this here. But the story I got was this was going on before the draft. It kind of cooled off and then late on Tuesday night, that's when the calls really started coming in and they put this thing to bed. That's why CD Lamb had that tweet. Like, it was kind of known that something was happening late Tuesday night. And it was announced Wednesday morning.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think George unfollowed the Steelers on some social media platforms, which is 2025 indicator of like, yup, hey, something's about to happen. So good luck to George down there in Dallas. Dallas, let's talk about the draft a little bit because you are the draft guy. You were great with us. We're so incredibly thankful that you joined us on draft night. AP Tone has a question for you.

[Evan]

Yeah, Shregs, this almost happened before and at the draft. I believe the rumors Seals were looking for a day two pick for George at the draft. Is there any other stories that or guys or things that we need to look at that almost happened at the draft that could potentially happen the rest of this summer?

[Harvey]

Yeah, I'm still looking at a couple names, like, you know, Kirk Cousins. Cousins name was coming up throughout the draft and seeing if Pittsburgh doesn't get Aaron Rodgers. Is that the move? I think Cousins is still a viable trade target. As much as they want to talk out of both sides of their mouth in Atlanta. Facts of the matter is you're paying him a wild amount of money to be a backup quarterback right now, and he is still a viable starting quarterback. If there is a seat on the carousel that's open, it is Pittsburgh. So I would keep an eye on that one. It's out of conference. You have a relationship between Arthur Smith, the former head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, and the Pittsburgh Steelers and of course, Raheem Morris and Mike Tomlin are as thick as thieves and have been so since their days in Tampa Bay together. So to me, that is a possible one. I would watch if Rodgers doesn't put out the smoke of himself and says, hey, here. Here's where I'm coming and this is my opportunity again. There it was. You have an announcement? AJ do you have an announcement? Is that happening next?

[Pat McAfee]

That's a good question.

[Ty Schmidt]

That'd be sweet, wouldn't it? I mean, that would make sense, though, if Aaron put out like, you know, black and gold smoke.

[Pat McAfee]

Right.

[Ty Schmidt]

If he decides to go the Steelers.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Obviously the background music is all you. Really. All he needs to do is post just a picture of himself down on the beach with that, that towel and robe around him, whatever it was with his thing, and then just. Yeah, maybe a cigarette, then just munching a pierogi. Okay, maybe, maybe. I don't know if that's part of his diet, but I do. Maybe a sandwich nutrient. Her main sandwich. Maybe a pierogi nutrigrain bar. Is that what you're about to say?

[Connor]

No, I was gonna say new.

[Pat McAfee]

New.

[Connor]

New nutritionist, maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Who knows? Maybe he pro. Maybe he said I need to toughen back up a little bit. Eat some. Eat some good tasting stuff. And all he needs to have is just. Everybody would get it. Yeah, everybody would understand drinking. I've seen some people say that he's. The timing on which he's going to sign. The timing on which he's going to sign. I think he told us pretty clearly, like, I didn't want to commit to OTAs. I don't want to commit to a team and then not be able to show up at OTAs. I have a lot of stuff going on in my personal life and I guess it's more of a question for AJ But Shregs, you probably got a chance to talk to some people behind the scenes as well. There's an expectation after OTAS end, I assume that this is probably when everything is going to happen with Aaron Rodgers.

[Harvey]

And look here, to his credit, and he was very transparent. I spoke to the Giants guys while that was all going to on and he was very complimentary of Brian Dabel on your show after the fact because he said to them. He said the same thing to the Steelers guys. If you, if you are going to operate on your timetable. That's not my timetable, please move on. So he was very upfront. All these people saying, like, we're waiting on Rogers. These teams have been given the choice to wait on Rogers. Now the Giants, they pivoted, they went and they signed Jamis, then they signed Russ and then they drafted Jackson Darts.

[Pat McAfee]

And they were trying to trade up to get Cam Ward. We're learning now.

[Harvey]

We saw the tape on that. The Steelers, however, they had a great meeting. It all went well. He told them the same exact thing. And the Steelers decision was to go back into their facility and say, all right, we're willing to wait. So this is the price they're paying a little bit But I do not think. And aj, you could tell me and Pat, of course, you guys all know that I don't think there's this assumed handshake deal that, hey, don't worry. I'll get there. They would have announced it. They would have signed them. They would have done it. I still think he's deliberating. And from what I gather, Pittsburgh knows no more now than they did at the draft or before the draft.

[Pat McAfee]

Aj.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, Drake, I would. I would agree with you. I would assume that that is. That is pretty accurate.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. He was down at the derby with him. Remember? Doesn't know what the ring was on his hand, but did get a chance to see how physically healthy he looked. He said he looked good, mentally looked good. He was happy. But figuring out what his future is, especially. And by the way, there's a lot of people that feel certain ways about Aaron and they always will for whatever reason. You know, there was a reason a few years back that a lot of people probably still hold against him and the way he operates and everything like that. But, like, I. I think he's earned the right after 20 years to decide whether or not he wants to continue playing football or where he wants to play football, and getting an opportunity to decide where you're going to go and how it's going to go for the first time in your entire career, basically. It's like, I think he's earned that opportunity now. It would be cool to know what he's doing.

[Evan]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, I think that would be cool.

[AJ Hawk]

For us, without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

But in his mind, he doesn't give a damn if we care.

[Harvey]

Aj. Nothing. Like, not even a little wink of the eye. Nothing.

[Connor]

Blood moon coming up.

[Ty Schmidt]

I tell you what, I don't. I don't think. I don't think I know what you guys think I might know about this situation.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's two times now. Whenever we asked him about the wedding ring, the. The answer he gave on the show. I don't. We didn't get much clarity on that. Like, there's times where you know AJ is lying and he does know. And then there's other times where he gives answers.

[Evan]

Like.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, oh, I think he legitimately has no idea. But speaking of ideas, you're the one who knows everything, seemingly. Ty Schmidt has a question for you. Shregs, about the drafts. Host city.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Shrigs. Do you have any update on Jair Alexander? It seemed like before the draft, it was kind of a foregone conclusion that the packers were either going to trade him or cut him. And then as we've kind of progressed here now, they've reached some sort of resolution, allegedly where maybe he's going to come back back. But whatever it is, there will be some sort of announcement on him in the coming weeks. Do you have any update on that whatsoever? I know you talked to Matt Leflore over draft.

[Harvey]

Yeah, I had. I had a lovely dinner with Matt Lafleur during draft week in Green Bay. And I brought it up and I don't think he'd mind me saying and saying like, we're actually in a good place with Jair. You know, obviously there was some stuff last year and the coin toss situation a couple years back, and all that stuff is all head scratches. Stuff that would drive a coach nuts when you're trying to run a disciplined program. But from what I gather, this thing is in a lot better place than what was being presented in the media and that there is a place for Jair Alexander in Green Bay. And I think he and Jeff Hafley actually have had a great relationship. And it's a different breed and it's a different time. And I don't know exactly how it nets itself out, but when he was being listed as that number one trade target, I don't think that was coming from Green Bay. And if you know goody at all, he wasn't leaking that to anybody. So that was a lot of outside noise. I believe we'll see how. How it figures itself out, though.

[Pat McAfee]

You gave me a lot of information in one sentence about the coin toss situation. Whenever you're trying to run a discipline operation and accountability driven operation and you got guys just making themselves captain because he thinks you forgot where he was from. He didn't know. He just forgot. I think made himself captain. I would like to let you know, and you can tell the floor this the next time. And he probably has seen our reaction, action. We thought that was one of the most legendary moves in history. Just naming yourself captain and then afterwards being. You didn't like it? No, I loved it. I abs now, if it was on a team I was on, it'd be like, that's wild that you did that. But just from outside looking in, that's one of the boldest, most hysterical things I have ever seen. And then afterwards just being like, I think he just forgot to make me a cat.

[Connor]

He knows.

[Pat McAfee]

He knows I'm from Charlotte.

[Harvey]

Yeah, he should know. Like, I'm from Charlotte.

[Pat McAfee]

Charlotte. I'm supposed to be the captain here. It's kind of how it works. In the history of the NFL, which is a pretty accurate sentiment, too. If you don't have main captains and you have a rotating captain, if you have a starter or a leader on a team in their hometown, normally kind of given the. The nod to kind of represent the team at the coin toss. And Jair just being like, Yeah, I guess LaFleur just got caught up in some other things this week. You just forgot.

[Harvey]

I would add one more thing on the pack if I can. Just from that conversation with LaFleur. Romeo Dobbs had a game where he didn't play last year because of disciplinary reasons, and he really had a rough week and they decided to bench him. Suspended for the game, whatever. It was officially listed. You know, with the Steelers trading Pickens, there's been a lot of rumors that Dobbs, with his close relationship to Rodgers Rogers used to always praise him when he was a rookie and say how great Romeo was doing. I'll hear it. LaFleur's like, Romeo Dobbs is great in our building. So I don't think one of those Steelers receive or those Packers. Steelers. Steelers is necessarily being shipped either just to make Rogers happy, which has been an assumption online. I think the packers are really happy with their young wide receiver group and they add Matthew Golden. It's like an NBA basketball team. They're thrilled with what they got.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so let's pivot away from the Green Bay packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. As you mentioned a couple times there, Cleveland Browns have 45 quarterbacks. How's that whole thing going to work out? You just mentioned it about what was going on with the Giants. Let's talk about. About the Cleveland Browns. How's that going to look whenever season comes? How do they plan on handling that? And what do you think it looks like for the Cleveland Browns going forward?

[Harvey]

They're dipping their toe into it now. I don't think this was the plan necessarily when they laid it all out back in March, but you know, Kenny Picket, Joe Flacco, obviously, we've seen both of them now in their Browns uniform.

[Pat McAfee]

Super bowl champions, both of them.

[Harvey]

Super bowl champions, both of them. And then you've got. You've got one's got big hands. We saw the photos yesterday. The other one has a glove, and that's fine. The other. Yeah, there it is. Then. Then you got Dylan Gabriel, who I thought has been very dismissed throughout this process. After Shador was taken, they did draft Dylan Gabriel over Shador Sanders. Objectively, they chose him in the same draft process. So to me, right now, it is not every man for themselves. Snaps are going to be, you know, divided the way it should be in their head. But Matthew. I'm sorry, Matthew. Kevin Stefanski, of course has a plan. Tommy Reese, the offensive coordinator. Then I look at Billy Musgr. He's going to play a role too. You've got different people who have been down the road with a million different quarterback situations, but when I hear it's just an open competition, I think that's dismissing that. They were very aggressive in getting Joe Flacco. They were quite aggressive in getting Kenny Pickett in a trade. And then they drafted Dylan Gabriel. Does Shador have a shot? Of course Shador has a shot. Go and do what Russell Wilson did in 2012 when the late Travaris Jackson was there. And then Matt Flynn was a big free agent sign signing. But he was so undeniable that Pete and John Schneider were like, we can't look at the rest of the team and say we're going to roll out with Matt Flynn or Travaris Jackson. Russell Wilson is too good despite being a third round pick. If Shador does that, he's got a chance. But that's few and far between that a fifth round pick who's fourth on the depth chart is going to be able to do that out of the gates.

[Pat McAfee]

So Shador Sanders obviously in the building has an opportunity. We're pulling for him. Everything he's been doing in Cleveland since getting drafted. Very cool that of course a starting quarterback. Did you see the guys suing 100 million against the NFL because the damages watching Shador slide in the draft. I'd like to say I was pretty bummed out too, but. Me too. I don't know if this is going to be a class action thing or just. Just a one one off or whatever the case is, but Colorado Buffalo fans said that wasn't right and it affected me. I'm suing the NFL all. So all 31 owners are getting sued. Roger Goodell, I assume, is getting sued.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

General manager is going to have to. They're the ones that are finally making a say, I guess. Yeah. Hey, coaches are in a room where it happens. I need a front office too. If he gets 20, 30 bucks from everybody, he's at 100 million pretty quick, you know, with how many people he's looking to sue. That becoming the story of the draft obviously warrants a respect to Shador because how popular he is, how many people have followed his story and everything like that. There's a lot of other stories you mentioned Dylan Gabriel Creole not being talked about being drafted ahead of Shador Sanders. Nobody had him as a guy that was going to get drafted ahead of Shador. He was not being drafted ahead of anybody else. What are some other draft stories you think now looking back on it here? A couple weeks out that haven't really been chatted about. What is something Quinn Ewers, seventh rounder. I mean, that's a wild thing that happened. What do you think? Some things that didn't get like mentioned enough out of the draft now that we're kind of past a couple of things.

[Harvey]

San Francisco redoing their defensive line overnight, getting three great defensive linemen they're excited about. I've spoken with those guys in the last couple weeks and I feel like that's an underrated storyline that San Francisco defensive front, whether it was Buckner or was Armstead or was Bosa or was Javon Kinlaw for all those years, those guys up front that kind of went to. Went out wayward over the last last season and then they went and they rebuilt and now Mikel Williams is who they took. I could tell you they were calling up to see do we have to move up in the draft to get this guy. So they were thrilled with getting him. San Francisco getting back to defense, I think was the big storyline. And then, you know, I look at the way the draft fell and there were some, some picks that we praise. All this stuff in day three, like Cam Scatterbo is a household name and is a guy that Giants fans are going to absolutely love and he is a piece of a Giant's draft where they totally change the narrative on how their fan base looks at their front office, how their fan base looks, looks at that uniform in the matter of three days by executing the Abdul Carter and Jackson dart first round, which is what they were hoping to do, and then getting Marcus Bowe, who is an awesome offensive lineman out of Purdue as late as they did, and then getting household name like Scatterbo. And then they got this kid Alexander from the Mac who they're very excited about. Like the Giants, they're the fourth team in the nfc. That's fine. But I would tell you that after the year they had with Hard Knock and with saquon and Xavier McKinney and just how bad it was last year for Joe, Shane and CO to get some plaudits in New York and for the New York fans to be like kind of puffing their chest about the draft, that was a major, major deal in New York.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats. I Know how hard that had to be, that. That hard knocks thing and then it going the way it's going, it's like you could get dunked on by everybody, let alone being in the biggest market. Yeah, I mean, that is. That'd be. And for Shane, whenever he calls the Titans, the video that they released, he calls the Titans, ask him if they want to trade for the pick whenever they go on the clock and him like, laughing and being confident and comfortable, it's like, I'm happy they didn't take your joy brother, because it could have gotten bad for him personally.

[Ryan Smith]

It did.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it did.

[Harvey]

And I'll tell you, you want to add a little something else, like the night that the prank calls went down, Joe Shane's daughter goes to Ole Miss. There were all these people saying that Joe Shane's daughter leaked the number for Shador and she was getting stuff on social media. I mean, people can be really crappy happy sometimes, so.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed.

[Harvey]

It's just like, you know, then we find out it wasn't Joe Shane's daughter. Was there a grand apology for all the people online who were people, reputable, people with check marks, people who we work with being like, Joe Shane's daughter is involved, like, just stupid stuff. And yet there's no apology. There's no feeling of remorse for that. It's just, the world moves on. But it's been a rough 12 months for Joe Shane in this market. And then for them now the GM to be like, I did pretty good the draft, right, guys, like, and the fans being like, yeah, you did. I think it's a big moment.

[Pat McAfee]

How about. There was so many prank calls that were kind of. Yeah. You know, everybody obviously got caught up with the Shador one, because I was being documented, filmed, and followed so closely. And Ulbricht's kid and Ulbricht fine. And the Falcons and everything that took place like that they had. So they talked about how many people had all those numbers.

[Harvey]

Yeah, well, it's crazy. I got a memo on Thursday, Thursday forwarded to me with just a memo from the NFL. And it was like. Like here, like, so teams, they all got these numbers and like, it. It can go into anyone's hands, you know, and it's the players numbers and they have given these phones. And Shador changed his number the week of the draft, and there was an alert like, here's his new number for teams. And that can get to anywhere. So I don't know how to fix it. I'm also, if I'm being honest, Pat, like I know people were crying on television the next day on Monday over this. Like, I don't. I mean, Shador Sanders was at a party on Saturday night, you know, enjoying himself and was celebrating with friends. Like, I don't. I'm not going to cry about it either. I don't think it's the end of the world. There's a lot bigger things than someone getting pranked.

[Pat McAfee]

I understand what you're saying. And I also think that all of this is good for Shador, you know, all of this is good for Shador. It'll continue to be a part of the story. Hopefully the story ends with him being a Hall of Famer. I mean, there's an opportunity. Anybody that got drafted could be a Hall of Famer. Any, any round, any pick could end up being a Hall of Famer. Any round, any pick could be a massive bust. That is why the draft. Draft is so damn awesome. And I appreciate hearing that about Giants fans because if this doesn't work out, they'll say this guy's the worst. And if it does work out, it's like, this is the best drafter of all time. It's a crazy business, man. It is a crazy business. That's why you being able to keep up with all of it for draft night for us was so special, legit. I can't.

[Harvey]

I had such a blast, dude. It was so good. I'm still smiling over it. I had such a blast with you guys. And I'll tell you, Tony Diggs, like, the two of us, I could do that the rest of my career and I'll be a happy guy. That was so, so fun. And you guys were so gracious to me and to hang with you guys before and afterwards was a treat also. I love you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. We love you too. Yeah. Dinner the night before, hanging out afterwards, you crushed it. Him not wanting to go to dinner the night before because he wanted to get a good night's rest. I was so pumped for it. I'm like. He's like, it's a big day tomorrow. Super bowl tomorrow. I'm like, you can't go to dinner at 7:30.

[Harvey]

I was there.

[Pat McAfee]

I wanted to get. Yeah, absolutely.

[Connor]

There you were.

[Pat McAfee]

And then at the end of the night, I saw you like, getting Anthony. He like. We got.

[AJ Hawk]

I gotta sleep.

[Pat McAfee]

I gotta. I gotta get some sleep. I got early morning tomorrow and 4:30 sports center here. Yeah, I gotta. I gotta do this.

[Evan]

His outfit, the whole.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude.

[Harvey]

How good, how good was McCarthy's stories, though?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, my gosh.

[Harvey]

I could have stayed up till five in the morning talking to that dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed. I would have loved to hear him talk about having George Pickett and see you. I mean, those pretty golfers, those pretty good officers, right? I mean, we're in a good spot there. I think Jer obviously calls the shots here, and I don't sound like that, do I? Yes, you do, brother. Okay, last question from us for you. And it's obviously about a team that you know a lot about doing something, I think, awesome, because I love the state. Go ahead, Connor.

[Connor]

Yeah, straight. Why is McVay going to Maui for minicamp? Just because he wants to get a new tan? Kind of go check out Hawaii or. What's the deal there?

[Harvey]

June 16th to the 19th, they're inviting their fans to come. They're going to be out there in Hawaii.

[Pat McAfee]

They.

[Harvey]

They've done gay. They've done practices there before, but they're going to do minicamp out there. This is a market for them. They really look at that. I mean, it's the closest market to Hawaii, and they look at it as one of these different burgeoning markets. They're also big, oddly enough, in Australia. They have a huge audience that is like one of their affiliated teams that the Rams have a big place there. So they're looking overseas, they're looking globally. They are never scared to swing the stick. And this is something new and cool. And I can tell you they'll be. They'll be having a good time out there for those three days out in Hawaii.

[Pat McAfee]

I love the state of Hawaii. I love the people that come from there. I love everything about that place. And shout out to Ooze Puka. You know, Nakua, obviously representing for the Rams and one of their biggest stars. I love that they do things for content and to change up the energy and change up the vibes. Like, hey, let's go to a fire department apartment. All right. Is that going to be possible? Yeah, we'll figure it out. Let's go to a mansion. That'd be pretty sick. We gotta hang out here for, what, three days? We gotta be here for 14 hours a day. We might as well be in, like, a mansion, right? With a cool view. Yeah, let's go do that. Let's go to Maui. Let's give back. I. I like the way they think. I like the way Les thinks. I like the way Sean thinks. I like them a lot.

[Harvey]

They've got a really collaborative group there, and we don't talk about, like, marketing people much. We're like, there's this woman, Cat Frederick. There's other woman, Joanna Hunter. They're always thinking way bigger. So, you know, like, they go to the Cannes Film Festival in the summer representing the Rams. So the Rams have a presence at, like, Cannes. Like, they're always thinking about.

[Pat McAfee]

Sounds like a free trip to cons. Yeah, sure does. Yeah. Yeah, sure does. Yeah. We have reps from the ESPN at the Met gala. I don't know if you heard about.

[Harvey]

I saw that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, saw that.

[Harvey]

But even at their games, if you see a game at sofi, they've got a club on, like, the ground level, that Bootsy Bellows club that. They have that, like, at a home game, like, I had. I know the Vegas Raiders do it now, too, but. But, like, I hadn't seen that before. They're always thinking outside the box. They want to make this thing an experience. So shout out to the Rams. They do things a little different.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that they do business, you know, because a lot of these owners just do. Yeah. Our business is the business that just makes us $100 million if we do nothing. So I like that they run actual business over there, and I think that'll pay off for them, you know. Now assigning yourself. We got to have representation at cons, and we got to have representation in Hawaii.

[Connor]

I should go Coachella, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Coachella. I think on the stage, right backstage. We got to have representation backstage. Cabo, whatever. Cabo, yeah, definitely Cabo. Yeah. There's a house. I think there's a community down Palooza. All right, we appreciate. Yeah, you're the man. Trs, ladies and gentlemen, Peter. Love you guys. That's. That's good business. Move. I think we need to be represented in Miami for week or two in the middle of February, right? Don't you think? Art.

[Ty Schmidt]

Art Basel or whatever they have down there. They got people.

[Connor]

I bet.

[Pat McAfee]

Basel. If you've ever been down there, Fashion Week.

[Ty Schmidt]

I've never. I don't know what it is, but I see guys dressed up in all kinds of costumes down there.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I didn't know much about it. What? So what is it? What do you mean?

[Ty Schmidt]

What is art? Is that what the NFL players just did? Art, Basil. Art Basil. It's one of these things that these high futons go to.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. What is it? What are you talking about? I don't know.

[Ty Schmidt]

I've heard the word. Art Basel. Art Basil. I assume it's some kind of show where people come together and they dress up and they look at art, and they wear art.

[Pat McAfee]

I guess okay. You assume that's the case. Do they?

[Ty Schmidt]

That is. I assume, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So have you seen photos of this? You don't want to admit? You know what Art Basel is down in my. That's.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's what I know it as. You know, like a. In some kind of art situation where people get together and they come and.

[Pat McAfee]

They collaborate, I guess I do appreciate. Anytime I see somebody dressing outrageous, it's like, wow, that's the biggest event that they could possibly be. Like, the Met Gala stuff. Some of those costumes.

[AJ Hawk]

Andre 3000 showed up as a piano. Had a piano on his back.

[Pat McAfee]

Just Halloween, you know? Like, I don't know if that's. They. If they. Any of them celebrate Halloween, I assume they do, you know, because, like, whatever the case is. But I see they give them, like, a subject, clearly. They give them, like, a. An idea, a genre, and they're like, good luck out there. And they're like, let's go to work. I'm putting a piano on.

[Evan]

I'll do it.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like, how are you gonna do that? Somebody will figure that out.

[Connor]

I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

Somebody will figure that out. It's awesome. This photo. What are you wearing today? Oh, fucking piano.

[AJ Hawk]

Baby grand.

[Pat McAfee]

Can you see it?

[Ty Schmidt]

What's it look like? Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats, everybody. I love that. Hey, have fun. Yeah, have fun. Fashion's awesome. Like, Tyrese Halliburton was getting grilled a little bit about his fashion on a podcast I saw. Well. And he was like, him. Yeah, I like it. Well, sometimes I think it looks good.

[Connor]

Rightfully so.

[Pat McAfee]

Some of his costumes, their outfits.

[Evan]

He probably.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Evan]

He's probably dying to go to Met Gala.

[Pat McAfee]

I. I bet. Yeah. Especially in the middle of playoffs. He's like, well, never going to be able to make it till I retire. Some of these phones really ringing.

[Evan]

Like Bruce's computer.

[Peter Schrager]

Whoa.

[Ryan Smith]

Sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

That's my laptop again. This happens every time I unplug my headphones.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who's he mad at?

[Pat McAfee]

I'm mad at myself. I ruined the show now. No, he ruined. Yeah, right. We just had a phone ring on. We had a Pope. Breaking news. Pope have a phone ring there. There's people that were listening that podcast listeners later are going to wonder what the hell's going on. We just had a full moment there. Well, it's a spam call, too. They didn't figure that out. Yeah, too many of that. So many. So if you accidentally give your number to somebody, they catch you, they trap you, and it's like, oh, what's your number? I can get for your. Like you're checking into a room, they're like, what's your phone number? And they get it, you're dead. You say no to that. Okay. You're allowed to say no to that. They don't need it. It. Every, every hotel I'm checking into, these people like, what's your phone number so we can reach you? It's like, yeah, just call the room of it. There's a. There's a thing because once your phone number gets in there or anywhere at like one of these stores or restaurants or anything where they ask for your number, if they just get. It's massive database everywhere you're getting texts and calls. That spam likely thing is a good move, but it's also kind of annoying. Like, how's everybody have my number all of a sudden?

[Connor]

It's.

[AJ Hawk]

It is bullshit.

[Connor]

That's what the first order of business, I want this pope on.

[Evan]

Pope Leo.

[Pat McAfee]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's been trying to get everybody's phone number since the beginning of time. He's a survey master, a survey creator. A man who has been tasked with starting a brand new hockey club in the NHL. He's also the owner of the Utah Jazz. He's 46, seven maybe years old, multi billionaire, self made, obviously alongside a great team owner of the Jazz and the Mammoth, ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Smith. Tusks up, bro. Tusks up.

[Ryan Smith]

Toss up.

[Pat McAfee]

Tusks up. Tusks up. Tossed up.

[Connor]

Tucks up.

[Pat McAfee]

Toss up.

[Ryan Smith]

Oh, wow.

[Evan]

Yeah, those are tough.

[Ryan Smith]

That's a good one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I know in Utah too, you won't have to worry about people taking advantage of that because that would immediately be Big Bears. Yeah, tusks up. Big bears. But maybe big Diet Cokes. Tusks up like that. You know What I mean?

[Harvey]

A.J.

[Connor]

Come on, Hawk.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there it is.

[Ryan Smith]

There we go.

[AJ Hawk]

Forward too.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations. I know this was not an easy process. Obviously trying to name a brand new brand, a brand new team, especially in a league like the NHL that has been around for so long with so many historic names. I know this was something that, that was weighing on your mind a lot. How did we get here and how pumped were you for the release and reaction, seemingly very possible. Are very positive. I mean, from everybody.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah. Like, first of all, it's. It's going to be back. Guys, it's been a minute. It's. It's a crazy process right now, especially with naming and branding and trademarks. Like there's, you know, I don't know if it's Shopify. That came out where everyone in the world decided to register a trademark, set up a. A sight. But we went through the process. We decided we were going to let it loose to our fans and pretty much the whole world and had almost a million votes and narrowed it down, narrowed it down. We had four different waves of voting, and then we got down to the final three, and it just. It took off completely different than we thought. But we committed from the beginning, whatever the fans chose, we were going to go, we were going to roll with. And it was really cool how we landed the plane and. And it was like. With the mammoth. It was like the Kentucky Derby. Like, the name started pulling away every single day of voting, which was pretty sweet and obviously made it easy on us.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, obviously, the logo and brand building is a vital piece of it. And what you guys were able to create is filthy. That is a nasty logo. All of the different alternate logos and alternate ideas. Absolutely awesome. I think we press play on. On that real quick. This video is it for. Yeah, there it is. Boom. The. All of the different ones are awesome. And you still have the Utah Hockey Club feel with that one with the. The state or the Utah or whatever there or that one right there. I think you did a great job with this. You guys have to be incredibly proud. Legit.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah. Well, shout out to the team. Our people here, Doubleday, Cartwright, they helped out. It was. It was pretty sweet process, and I think everyone had a little different picture of what they wanted it to be in their heads. But everyone got together. There was a group of eight of us, and they kind of set that aside, and we're cool with. However, everyone had a moment where they had to get on board, so it was a pretty cool creative process.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of Easter eggs in that logo. A lot of Easter eggs. Obviously, you can see mountains. You can see the state of Utah. I think on the outside there, they kind of run through all the. In beautiful day. That's a U you see for you. For Utah. And then a tusk goes through it, obviously. What else is there? Anything I'm missing?

[Ryan Smith]

No, I think if you look at the state turned sideways and then the mountains are obviously. You know, if you look at all the new Jazz jerseys, I mean, all four of our jerseys have the similar feel with the note and the mountains on it, so that's a cool collab. And then the blue actually carries over to the NBA team, but they're also unique as well, so I think it's a pretty strong mark it looks. It looks pretty dope on the jerseys. Like, it's. It's pretty powerful. And then I think also the secondary marks where it's the U with the tus.

[Pat McAfee]

Sweet.

[Ryan Smith]

And then obviously the toss up. This is something that just kind of crept in and we ended up with the. The Domain. I mean, I think the. For the most part, I think there's probably close to 30,000 people have done that. Hey, I. That's the first time I've seen that that, that works.

[Evan]

You're welcome.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially if you turn on. I mean, you could have a dancing segment because I know you like to keep everything. I got a chance to watch your Utah Jazz team live with you. Thank you for reaching out. I'm so happy I went to that. There was. That was at about a 4% chance of me going to that. That whenever I got the invitation and then they said it came from you and then I googled you and I was like, wait a minute, this guy became a billionaire before he was. He's an American man. This guy is a. He's in his hometown. He owns a team. And I was like, I should go meet this man. And what I learned quickly is like, you are trying to think of everything and you are like trying to make things better. And you are. And that is kind of your business, I think, since the beginning, which is surveys, which got you into this, which is going to lead to a question from me about whenever you decided to make this an Internet thing. Make this an Internet thing. Oh, yeah, we'll make this a poll thing. We as people that live on the Internet, said, buddy, you're going to get the Utah McPenises or something. The Internet is going to bully you into doing something and the Internet will force you to do it. This conversation with Ryan Smith, owner of the Utah Jazz and the newly named Utah Mammoth. Toss Up. Toss up continues digitally. We'll be back here for a feel good Friday on espn. See you tomorrow. Okay. So whenever you said you had the ability to get a good name and the Internet won't Internet you, I think we didn't believe it legitimately. I don't think we believed it yet. You. I assume we weren't the only ones. How was the survey process, which you are a survey person in the modern world that we're in with the number name of a sports team which can be hated on like people can hate. For sure. Like, for sure people can hate us.

[Ryan Smith]

Well, it, like, so I think looking back, like you guys were right. Like, it was. It was high risk High reward or maybe even high risk, low reward for the way that you would go through it. Qualtrics was pretty money throughout this process because we did the digital polling, we would randomize and then. And the real kind of moment of truth came when we went back to the NHL and we're like, hey, we gotta put some logos and brand identity towards this. And so we really created like four different fully built out brands, you know, and it was Outlaw and it was Others and Mammoth. And then we started going around and the NHL was not having that. We would, would go out and show these to people and then anything you came out with, people started registering the hashtags, the websites. Like everyone started registering the trademarks on all this stuff, which got super like complicated. So it was really cool. We actually embedded all of the research into iPads. We had a home stretch of jazz hockey games for the first time ever in Utah that were 11 games back to back. So we swapped out every single night and we ended up walking around and we would get thousands of people to come in and it was only a couple people with Google glasses that actually leaked it. I mean you got to plan for everything. But Mammoth. Every night Mammoth started taking off and it was growing at like 10% a night where people, it's almost like tell they had to narrow it down and they had to really get opinionated about it and they actually had to choose that it got real and then kind of everything fell into place where this is a brand. Like think of a hockey club. We dropped Hockey club off. We actually built a brand but it's pretty vanilla and the, the fans ran with it. They're the clubbers, they're doing all this, this now we're giving them like a strong identity and they're going to be able to like you're seeing a toss up. I, I imagine. Look at that swag. That's a good looking hoodie. You rock that, right?

[Pat McAfee]

That is a good looking hoodie. I, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I, I think, you know, it's high quality product as well. I don't know if this what's for sale or just what you sent me and I appreciate all the gifts. I also got a backpack. It's what?

[Connor]

Yeah, there's the other, the other Mammoth on it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, just the mammoth. Huge. Yeah, it's awesome. There's a lot of good merch. But you think about all that. This guy's closet. Okay. So when you think about merch and all that stuff, this dude's got a clot. You know, the he's a billionaire, and obviously he's battling with this camera right now. It's going to follow him wherever he goes. He does not know that he's going to follow you wherever you go. You are a tech guy. You should know that that camera is going to follow you. You move, it'll come with you. He's got, you know, the shot. Shoe closet. Oh, yeah. LEDs under, you know, full foot lock. It's a. It's a. It's a full.

[Ryan Smith]

There's a lot. There's a lot of worse vices than collecting shoes. It's pretty safe.

[Pat McAfee]

I agree. And he hoops every morning.

[Connor]

Not in Utah.

[Ryan Smith]

I did. I. I hooped this morning and it was.

[Pat McAfee]

Man. But I, like, got a little.

[Ryan Smith]

He got a little quick.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that. You have a young, fresh mindset on this. How'd the NHL feel about all this? How is the relationship with the NHL here now, one year into this?

[Ryan Smith]

I mean, look, that was yesterday. I mean, Batman came out, which is really cool. That came out and supported this. I mean, look, it's 50, 56 weeks ago, we didn't even have a team here. And we said, okay, we're going to build an arena that works for hockey, which we've got the entire arena of innovation going on. We're going to. We basically landed the team and received it like a second child coming home. Being received by the first one. It actually came home by the Jazz. Like, our head coach of the Jazz, Ames, they were taking, like, leadership roles and saying, hey, come on in here. Come work out in the facility behind us. Like, there was a time last year where we had our hockey guys in there and our hoop guys at the same time. And it was just like a cool, like, kind of one team vibe. And so this whole thing's been built out in a way that you're kind of going, okay, how does that happen? But even then, you don't know how it's going to go. There wasn't a lot of data that says, hey, you know what? Hockey is going to work in Utah. The closest data I got was Vegas. My wife's from Vegas. You know, it's kind of connected to us here. And if it took off there, I was like, okay, like, there's something here. And it was incredible, incredible year. We got a bunch of young studs. It's. It's going to be a good time.

[Pat McAfee]

That's awesome. I'm happy to hear that, because hockey is awesome. And I think having somebody like you who's so invested and also forward Thinking in the league, in the conversations is good for all of sports. AJ Has a question for you. Ryan.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I'm just about this with the mammoth. What do you want the identity of this hockey team to be? Like, we know it's a brand that you have built. It's awesome, everything going on. Like, what do you want this identity to be? When people come to the games and they turn the TV on and watch, what do you want them to see?

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah, so, like, one of the things that's crazy is like, there's been a bunch of mammoths found all over Utah. And like, as we started, like pulling them up, it was like, okay, what. What are they like? And you know, Kesselring on. Our team's like 6, 7. These things are as high as 14ft tall. They go, you know, 25 miles an hour. We didn't want the Snuffleupagus logo, whatever. We wanted something that was strong and powerful and, like, people could see that. So we also, like, you can see, it's like United. It's one. It's not mammoths. It's mammoth. Like, we are one, one group. And, you know, we're young. I mean, we're the only team in the league that's got two 50 point plus scores under. Under the age of 22. We're growing it all together. We're starting out and, you know, we want to be a force. And I think. I think Utah's loud. And Utah shows up. I mean, that's the one thing that everyone in the NHL saw was like, oh, damn. Like, these guys show up.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's something to do. No offense, but like, that's the same thing here in Indianapolis. It's like there's something to do and they like the product. Like, I think that is. Obviously you have to like the. You can't hate the thing. If you hate the thing, you won't show up for it. But if you like the thing and it is something to do, you know, like, let's go enjoy the hell out of this. You're gonna do that on a regular basis. We chatting about this whenever we're there. You had how many consecutive sellouts with the Jazz? I forget what the.

[Ryan Smith]

It was like, yeah, it was like 200 and something.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, 200 something at the time.

[Ryan Smith]

You were on air the next morning at 6:00am and you're like, no, I'm not going back.

[Pat McAfee]

Why? Who said that?

[Ryan Smith]

Well, that's who you did. You were like, hey, I'll stay for the second half.

[Pat McAfee]

We hung out all night oh, yeah, you're right. You're 100%. Yeah. There was no plan to go into that thing. Yeah, I had a blast.

[Connor]

Even a little side, little setup is unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

Dwayne Wade was there. You remember?

[Harvey]

Remember?

[Connor]

Yes.

[Ryan Smith]

Oh, yeah. You guys, you guys were. You guys were. You had your tank tops on together.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he looked much. I will say he is sweet.

[Ryan Smith]

Little more. Little more Matt Gala appropriate there.

[Pat McAfee]

He looks so cool. That thing was like form fitting. So jacked obviously at the time. And he did it in front of everybody. Remember? He walked up to me. We're on the court, 200 and some sellouts. Places packed out during timeouts. Like you're just looking down at hat to court. Dwyane Wade walks right over to me. I don't think I ever met him before. Dap up, how you doing? Then takes his jacket off and he's got a tank top on. I'm like, holy, this guy's so attractive. I had no idea this was possible. He was cool. Everybody there was awesome. Big J. What a dog. What a dog. Have we got him on skates? Have we got him on skates yet?

[Ryan Smith]

I'd like to see. There's been very little skating. Lowry Marketing jumped on skates. That's pretty crazy. Watching our seven foot basketball. He's a Finn, you know, on skates. It's pretty nuts. Like we were out there practicing and like I've got all the gear on because I'm like a 30 handicap skater that doesn't know how to stop. And Lowry comes out and like we take one turn and he falls down. And I'm just watching like our max player slide across the floor. No, it's seven feet tall. And I was like, he's like, don't worry, I'm up. And he's. He's got game. He grew up playing hockey.

[Pat McAfee]

That's funny thinking the owner going, max player right there. This is a great idea. Ryan.

[Ryan Smith]

The story, this, the story just doesn't end well for you on that one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you look like dumbass, maybe the dumbest of all time. This guy took their max player. He's paying him a lot of money to play on wood. So yeah, get on. Brings a hot blaze.

[Connor]

It brings a whole team into the.

[Ryan Smith]

Look at this.

[Pat McAfee]

It tells him, go, hey, go on out there. Go. Yeah, he does look smoother, doesn't he? Looks comfortable.

[Connor]

Over there.

[Pat McAfee]

Standing at 7 foot 6 on skates. Ladies and gentlemen, representing the Mammoth. Okay, speaking of being big and the Mammoth. And then we'll pivot to basketball because obviously you're the owner of the Utah Jazz as well. Connor and Tone have an idea that they will like to pitch you. I feel like we're having a good idea sesh right now.

[Ryan Smith]

Is this a mammoth idea session?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. So we. All right, Conor, we thought of the tusk up. That might be a one or two, you know, could be tosc up.

[Connor]

Yeah. Could even go forward. Like you're blowing a horn perhaps.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh.

[Ryan Smith]

Or I like it.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean that would be. Yeah. Tusks, I guess is the plural. It's a little bit different. You know, I could see.

[Ryan Smith]

I could see at the games like. Like when people are chugging like Diet Coke that like comes out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You're taking down that Diet Coke. Yeah, Getting caffeinated out of my mouth.

[Ty Schmidt]

Drink it through. You drink it through. Big tusks that they buy at the concession.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're selling tusks. Oh my.

[Ryan Smith]

With like a tusk holder in the chair.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. Needs to be in the seat. You're doing renovations right now. I need to be able to. I need to be able to stick my big ass tusk in there.

[Evan]

Tus down.

[Pat McAfee]

You would sell tusk up, you know, toss down tusk. Yeah, we need all. So not all of these ideas are going to, you know, end up being kind of.

[Ryan Smith]

No, I'm going to write it down. I got it.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, we got on film here. We got. We're taking the minutes right now currently. We're all taking the minutes. But the boys have an idea that must happen. Especially with what's happening at a potential another stadium in the United States of America. This is a Connor Tone digs idea.

[Connor]

Yeah. You need. Look, this is kind of bottom line here. This isn't like, hey, you should do this. You need this. Okay. Intimidation factor through the roof. You need four mammoth outside the front. Four because, you know, U tah obviously four letters in Utah, four mammoth kind of outside the front of the arena so that when all the fans are walking in, they're walking past the mammoth, maybe the first one's 20, 25ft tall. And then progressively they get lower so that you can kind of pat the mammoth on the way. And maybe it has some sort of slogan that you family of tough up maybe written the mammal on the side of them. Yeah, the mammaly, if you will.

[Evan]

We didn't. We didn't exactly come up with this idea on our own. We kind of stole this from the Buffalo Bills, their new stadium that they're creating. They have three bison outside of their stadium and they're a little small. They're somewhere between 12 and 15ft. We're thinking these mammoth which are bigger than bison need to be least 25, 35ft.

[Pat McAfee]

Well that's what you said was the 25 miles an hour, I think. And how tall were you saying these things were? These mammoths?

[AJ Hawk]

14Ft.

[Pat McAfee]

14.

[Connor]

Yeah, bump that.

[Pat McAfee]

That's amateur numbers. But if we need, we need, we need big old man. We need at least 20 foot mammoth out there and we're all pushing for that. Just strictly because when these bison were announced in front of the Buffalo Bills new stadium, everybody was jacked up. They said holy hell, we're getting big ass bison out front of this thing. Then they released the sizing of it and somehow I don't think this is the case. It's higher than a basketball hoop. This is huge. This thing is going to be gigantic. There's a lot of people that think they're too small. These bison are going to be too small. So the story behind it is animal out front. People like yes. Big ass animal out front. People love average size animal. Think people will be like that's cool. Could have been bigger, badder, big better.

[Connor]

But if they're finding mammoth two in Utah, you could actually get the real bones.

[Ryan Smith]

They are in Utah.

[Connor]

Yeah. So maybe the video.

[Ryan Smith]

You saw the video.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Come out of that cave.

[Ryan Smith]

Utah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Ryan Smith]

They were able to even pull the DNA out of those.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Clone them.

[Evan]

Well, now we have a real one.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. You're making real mammoth.

[Connor]

Yeah. Hang them from the roof like and.

[Pat McAfee]

Put the mammoth on the. Not only on the roof. Roof. Cut out a spot for that mammoth stand next to the ice.

[Evan]

Yeah, that's going to be great.

[Pat McAfee]

Like tiger from the tiger from lsu.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Ryan Smith]

The guy came out underneath the mammoth when they skated on the ice.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, a live one. Oh, dead one. Fake one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Live one.

[Ryan Smith]

It's probably a fake one.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh like a big crank.

[Evan]

A real one like the sharks do at the shark tank. They come out of the shark mouth.

[Pat McAfee]

Sharks mouth. Yeah. It's a good idea.

[Connor]

But if you had the real.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah. So Connor, the good news is we've got one mammoth set up.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ryan Smith]

That we're gonna put out there.

[Pat McAfee]

How big?

[Ryan Smith]

I haven't gotten that far. We're still in the. I mean we're a day or two old.

[Evan]

30Ft.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you're, you're a survey guy.

[Ryan Smith]

Bringing the whole squad out probably hasn't been addressed.

[Evan]

They have a family.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's he talking about? The mammoth? Yeah.

[Ryan Smith]

Bringing, bringing four for mammoth out there. Like, I mean we are a family oriented.

[Evan]

Have you seen Ice Age? You could watch Ice Age for a little bit of research on the mammoth.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the sizing.

[Connor]

Just know that the biggest one has to be 30, 40, 50ft because the last thing you need is 64 fans showing up. 60 fans showing up saying like mammoth. I thought they were big.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Connor]

But when they. Baby mammoth.

[Ryan Smith]

But when they want a selfie in front of you, like 0.5 is not going to work. They're going to have to be across the street to get themselves in with the 40 footer.

[Connor]

That's okay. That's a baby mammoth is for baby mammoth is 10ft the selfie.

[Ryan Smith]

Mammoth.

[Connor]

Yeah, that's the selfie.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You might even want to set up a little background there because you know a lot of selfies are going to happen behind a baby. You know, we got maybe like a little, Little Utah whatever. Shrubbery. Sure, shrubbery there. Cuz that's going to be a lot of selfies around baby. Yeah, Mammoth. We're talking selfie with the big mammoth. You're just looking at chest, I think. Yeah.

[Connor]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's just chest shot. And unless you do one of these like straight up and then you're getting maybe the bottom of the tusk, you're getting tusk down and it's going tusk up. But you're talking about pictures with the rest of the family, the mammy. That's what we're talking.

[Evan]

We'll text you a picture of the bills.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we'll draw this up.

[Ryan Smith]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, we'll draw GPT. I can't wait till the designs come. That was the other thing about the design. Like when we, when we started the design process. Process before people would just vote with their words. Now they're voting with like these drawings that look like nothing.

[Pat McAfee]

AI.

[Ryan Smith]

All AI drawings. Like the amount of AI drawings that we saw, like someone would be like, oh, let's do a, let's do an outlaw. Let's do a wasatch and a mammoth all combined. And you have like, you have like an outlaw riding a mammoth, like in detail that no hand could ever draw. And it's like, like, whoa. This was a whole nother thing no one saw coming throughout the voting process.

[Pat McAfee]

In like 5 seconds to 30 seconds.

[Ryan Smith]

5 seconds. It's like, oh, what are you talking about? I got a question about that. Oh, here you go. It's like what?

[Pat McAfee]

I'm excited to see what you end up doing with AI you.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, because you're. The way your brain works. It feels like that is inevitable.

[Ryan Smith]

We got a lot cooking. We got a lot cooking.

[Pat McAfee]

I could imagine. I could imagine that would make sense. Yeah, we know, we read about it, didn't we, Todd?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, we did, yeah. The XL one. I mean, he basically. Ryan, you basically just said you want to get on the next phase of tech, Right? It's like a billion dollar venture or something with you.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah. So, yeah, so Ryan Sweeney is a partner of mine from Excel. He wrote a check to our startup, Qualtrics in Utah. You know, 15 years ago, when everyone else in the Bay Area was only investing in the Bay Area, we went on a pretty epic run together. And then when my wife and I did the jazz, like, I called Sweeney and said, hey, I know you guys don't do anything in sports. You're tech only. But he's like, oh, no, we'll come in personally. So they came in and they've been great partners. And then, you know, as we're watching everything with AI and kind of this intersection of sports, to be honest with you, it's not like you have tech and then sports and then healthcare. It's all coming together right now. And, you know, whether you go to an event, like, there's tech people, there's sports people, and a lot of sports and tech folks need to be activating together. And so we decided to create this fun called Halo. And it's really around experience and, you know, betting on the next experiences, and that involves everything. So it's pretty cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats, man. I assume it's going to work. That's what I assume with you, man. I just assume it's going to work.

[Ryan Smith]

I think it probably should. Like, I think he's, you know, he's one of the best tech investors on the planet.

[Pat McAfee]

It.

[Ryan Smith]

And normally when we get together, magic happens.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We told you, you know, there's, there's a potential offer.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, there was investors, possibly you. You know, there is a, there's an option, you know, there's an opportunity there.

[Ryan Smith]

I think we've done crazier things.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah, that would be crazy. That'd be so sweet. Could you imagine it would be smart for you guys?

[Connor]

I'll get Utah Mammoth tatted on my back.

[Pat McAfee]

That you can't put a number on that. But we will certainly try. Wow. We will certainly try one.

[Ryan Smith]

But you have to hurry.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I'm just telling you though, like what you just heard there, you might think, wow, they're Losing leverage. Nah, that costs something.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah, no, no, that's for shoot.

[Pat McAfee]

That tattoo that loyal. That loyalty to mammoth.

[Connor]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a possibility there. And we'll be fans regardless.

[Connor]

Yeah, but I'll die with them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And he put a big.

[Ryan Smith]

You put a big mammoth outside the Thunderdome there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And it can't be bigger than the one you're putting outside your arena. Just remember that.

[Connor]

So, I mean, we already got what he makes graphics for us.

[Pat McAfee]

Debone is not a mammoth Deone. Hey, you do not deserve that. Oh, wow. Deon, you're a good guy. Debone's been looking good.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, someday.

[Connor]

Is that right? Cuz he finished two Dr. Peppers before 10am the other day.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But I think you guys are watching what he's a. He's taken, Don.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's how you're making your judgment. He looks good when he's walking around.

[Connor]

Said.

[AJ Hawk]

He said the other day he was like, I like seriously have to look in the mirror and like have a conversation with myself because I'm eating way too many of these new MC Crispy strips. He said he's like, it's like a real problem.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy puked the first time he did.

[Evan]

Physical activity a few weeks ago.

[Connor]

Yeah, guy did a little physicality. And then not to mention too, he says this. And then a McDonald's commercial comes out. He goes, well, no, I have to.

[AJ Hawk]

Order them because that's all commercial.

[Connor]

It's happened.

[Pat McAfee]

We're proud of you, man. You need to live long though. Let's never forget that you're great at what you do. A wild animal. Okay, let's get to. Sorry. You had an experience that Ryan. I. I did not know.

[Ryan Smith]

No, I think it's great, man. We're just rolling.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he's. He's. He's a Dr. Pepper.

[Ryan Smith]

We've been at this for 20 minutes. What's gonna happen when our fans have this for a full year? Decade. Like it's.

[Pat McAfee]

I legit. I think you can.

[Ryan Smith]

You can work with mammoth. You can work with it.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's a good name. I think there's a lot of definitely plays. And I like that you said it's just mammoth because we're one manly here, you know, we're one. We're one family.

[Ty Schmidt]

Do you say go mammoth? Sorry, do you say go get mammoth or go mammoth? It's like, what do they say in the arena?

[Ryan Smith]

Look, with the, with the hockey club. Here's, here's what's crazy with the hockey club. We Just rolled it out.

[Pat McAfee]

Out.

[Ryan Smith]

We didn't know what any chance were. We didn't curate anything by the end of the year. Like, it was like, let's go, Utah. Utah. It was like the Skull Club.

[Pat McAfee]

Go.

[Evan]

Go club, go.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Hey, Utah.

[Connor]

The club is gone away today.

[Pat McAfee]

That's off the Cubbies, obviously. Yeah, that's what they're saying. We didn't know. But the mammoth change, there's opportunity. There's really opportunity.

[Ryan Smith]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think. I think you should be proud of yourself getting the job done because I know it's a lot of work that went into it, but also having a positive response. I assume that was quite a relief for you. So congratulations.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah, I mean, nothing's positive on the Internet, so it's great. It's great.

[Pat McAfee]

You did. I saw a positive for you.

[Ryan Smith]

No, no, I know that was. It was. It was well received.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ryan Smith]

Like, we gotta. We gotta give credit where credit's due. That was. It was extremely well received.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Shout out to Utah for always being supportive of Utah. And shout out to you for always wanting unify Utah and make Utah better. You're a great representative of that state. And I assume the people there tell you the same thing. Let's talk about the Jazz now. Let's talk about the basketball team that you own. Go ahead. Tone Diggs.

[Evan]

Yeah, Ryan, obviously not the greatest season for the Jazz since you have been there, but, you know, the future is bright. You have potentially, you have the 14% chance to get the number one overall pick. Three teams have a 14% chance to probably most likely get Cooper flag. What are your guys thoughts going into the draft after I just saw the boys running gassers in the background, so love to see that.

[Ryan Smith]

That's a three minute. That's a three minute run. We'll get our dude in the back, the Mick Crispy to come do that.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah. Come on.

[Evan]

But what are your thoughts going into the draft?

[Ryan Smith]

Look, I mean, we got two picks, we've got wherever we end up. It'll definitely be top five in 21. And then we got a couple seconds. So it's a. It's a. It's a pretty good draft. I think everyone is pretty focused on it. I mean, there's a lot of teams going and there's a lot of fan bases who all want number one. You know, the Jazz have never really moved up in the draft, I think in our history or had the number one. So why not now? Why not us, right? Like, I think it's. It's A good thing. But we also, you know, we've got a young squad. We've got like nine guys under the age of 23. And so we've had a lot of picks and we've got a lot of picks coming out. I think we, we as much as anyone, had the most first round picks in the NBA coming out. So we're definitely growing our talent here.

[Connor]

Ryan, what about keeping the head coach? I know a lot of people were kind of questioning that decision. You know, extending Hardy was what kind of went into that. And then, you know, you kind of mentioned it with the, you know, hockey club coming in and how great he was and that being kind of one team. Did that also play a factor? Because outside looking in, people weren't really considering the human side of the well.

[Ryan Smith]

So we didn't extend Will Hardy because of how good he was with the hockey team. As fun as that would be. Will's been an incredible partner. You know, I think with myself and Ange and Jay Z, you know, we're all in this together. It's not like there's a division here of how we're doing stuff. We like, we're all rolling in this together and it's been really cool to watch. Just. He was the youngest coach in the league when we, when we hired him. And we're growing up and we're in a rebuild and we believe that, you know, as we kind of roll out of this rebuild, that he'll. We want him to be able to see a lot of the fruits of the labor. It's a really, really easy decision. And we like him more now than when we hired him. And I think that's a. That's a pretty cool spot. And fortunately enough he likes us because he's a. He's definitely a coach that would have a lot of demand out there.

[Pat McAfee]

D Bone said that he would run basketball suicides no problem. Yeah. So he appreciates.

[Ryan Smith]

Let's go have a casket ready. That's the, that's the. Those are. I don't know. There's probably some sort of workout going on for potential draft picks. That's a three minute run. How many times you can go up and down in three minutes? Yeah, I think, I think there needs to be a version of that in the Thunderdome. Three minute run.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Ryan Smith]

And I don't know whether it's like 22 or 26 is like a record. Like it's, it's out there.

[Pat McAfee]

So you do it.

[Ryan Smith]

I'm actually been summoned to go do that. This Year.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ryan Smith]

Like, Ange has taken the over under on how many I can do. And so I don't know. I'm going to end up doing it one of these days.

[Pat McAfee]

You literally hoop every morning though, right? That's part of the.

[Ryan Smith]

Every morning we hoop this morning. And it's. Geez, it's harder the older you get.

[Pat McAfee]

Harder it is every morning. What time? What time?

[Ryan Smith]

Every morning.

[Pat McAfee]

What time are you? 6am 6am Basketball.

[Ryan Smith]

Same group of guys, same dudes. We've been playing together for like 10 years. Ball is life shout out. So it's the ball and Ball is life text thread. Bil.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out.

[Ryan Smith]

And you know, the text goes out. We get to nine or 10 and it's like, all right, one or two more. You can add a plus one if you want to bring someone else. And then we do it at BYU. So we're doing a BYU's campus and so oftentimes, like assistant coaches, past players, everyone will come out. So it's a pretty good deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Every morning at 6:00am we're starting on.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah, we're probably, we're probably three. A good week's.

[Pat McAfee]

Four.

[Ryan Smith]

Four days because of travel, but a lot still.

[Pat McAfee]

That's so much. That would be incredible. That would be awesome if that was. If that was a. Available just to be like, hey, if you want to play some pickup, we have a group of dudes that we all like. Gotta trust those guys. Otherwise you're getting banged up out there. That everybody.

[Ryan Smith]

Well, it's. It's super important, the trust factor, because you don't have any heroes out there. You don't have anyone who's trying to like be a hero and like you're going up for a layup and come underneath you. Like, it's. And then we don't, we don't normally play with anyone. That's over about six, seven.

[Pat McAfee]

Smart. Well, Big J. Yeah, well, Big J, he's probably taking it to the six, four. Yeah, yeah, that's Big J.

[AJ Hawk]

Not with the hat on though.

[Connor]

Yeah, yeah, with the hat. He's touching the room.

[Pat McAfee]

Six, seven. Yeah. And he's potentially not invited anymore. Got to get that thing down. Down low. How much do you think basketball, your love of basketball, which turned into an ownership of your hometown team that you loved. How much do you think you've taken from that ownership shit and, and, you know, being an athlete and everything in. How much has it carried into helping with the NHL team? Is it two different businesses, two different worlds? Has it been pretty similar? Has it been hard? What has it been like, between navigating a new league while also having already done it in another league. Are you finding yourself saying, like, well, it's much easier in the other league to do either way. Either way. I'm not saying you're saying that about. But is there a comparison going on for you at all times?

[Ryan Smith]

It's a really good question, Pat, because, like, I just got out of. Of an hour and a half with our GM and our president of hockey, and we went through everything, like, season and review what players we need to sign free agents are, you know, because we got a great farm system in hockey with a bunch of young guys. We were scheduled to be about the 14th pick in the draft, so now we're going up to four, which is pretty incredible move, and, and like, go through who we're looking at drafting, and we went through the organization from top to bottom. And, you know, look, I'm. I'm a hundred times more, you know, kind of capable to have that conversation than I was last year, but I'm still like, they shouldn't listen to my direction yet. Right? Like, when it comes to players, like, like, I'll be the first one to be like, hire smart people, get the hell out of the way, but do not listen to me when it comes to, like, like, hey, what players or whatever, or who I watch on tv, because, like, you know, and other owners are like, oh, I'm coming in. We're going to go yell at the scoreboard. We're going to win a championship, and it's all going to change. And it never works out right, like, so, you know, and I don't know that Danny Ainge has listened to me once since he's been here. So, like, that's, that's probably a good thing. But when. When I got done with the meeting, I said, hey, I would actually love to have this same presentation with Danny, Jay Z and Coach Will, and vice versa, because. Not because we want to, like, they know anything about hockey, but their questions will make sure that there's no stone unturned. And that's like a really cool collab that we can do. And that's the benefit of having it all in the same family. There's a. Only. There's only a couple of us where it's the same ownership group through both. It's like msg, Toronto, a lot of people, cities have two teams, but it's not the same ownership. It's not all there. It's not that $1 for each is okay either way. So the collaboration is just a little different. And so this is where we can all try to get better. And I think there's a lot of synergies that we take away. I'll give you an example of like this year we were playing hoops and Will and I were at the hockey game on like a Tuesday night. We're playing Dallas on Wednesday night and our team hadn't really won at home. And so it was kind of getting a little nerve wracking there. But in the last period of hockey, we're up like five to two in hockey with like six minutes left. Like, we got the game. Sorgachev on our team dives in front of like a 90 mile an hour slap shot. Frickin hits him in the head and he's kind of like out. And Will's like, what? What just happened? And Lowry was there and was like, hey, like, you gotta get in front of the puck. You have to dive in front of the puck. He's like, yeah, but the game's out of hand. We got it like, no, you gotta get in front of the puck. And Will's like, like. So we go in the next night and we beat Dallas.

[Pat McAfee]

There we go.

[Ryan Smith]

And I get in the locker room and Drew Eubanks is going around going, hey, way to get in front of the puck, guys. Way to get in front of the puck.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I love that.

[Ryan Smith]

And I go to Will and I was like, what did you do in film session? And he's like, I just showed like Sergey getting in front of the puck. And he's like, all I'm asking you guys to do is get back on defense.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[Ryan Smith]

Right? No one's being asked to get in front of a 90 mile an hour.

[Pat McAfee]

That's great coaching, I think.

[Ryan Smith]

And so like the collab there is real where a lot of times we all gather inspiration from businesses outside of our world because we're so close to it. Like in customer sat, we'd always have like agents for tech companies. Go and observe, you know, the auto or fixed department at a Ford dealership because no one wanted to be there, or someone at a funeral home because they had to like deliver the most amazing service on the planet. And so you often get inspiration from those other groups. And that was. That's kind of what we're seeing here. A lot of collaboration.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Because you're learning a lot about something I assume you didn't know much about beforehand and then you're seeing how other people do it. And let's talk about a little, by the way, great Pool for motivation. Everybody Hardy being like, hey, you think smack the wall a little bit. Come on, let's just smack, smack the wood a little bit here, okay? These guys are eating pucks in this entire thing. Oh, let's, let's talk about the business side now of it because like Sidney Crosby, I'm from Pittsburgh, he just signed for like 8.7 million a year. I think it was 8.7 million a year. How hard is it for you? Whenever they say, hey, this is how much is going to cost? And it's like, yeah, we want to do like, how hard has that been? Because the NHL prices of contracts and seemingly everything vastly different than the prices of NBA stuff, and I assume as an owner that is some glaring things that you can see are different on one side and the other, or how do you view that kind of. And how do you kind of balance that?

[Ryan Smith]

Well, so first, the hard cap is real and hockey, it is real. So you actually have to make trade off decisions. Where in the NBA it's very much like, all right, well, we'll do both. You know, we got someone coming up, we'll sign them, we'll go up over and we'll go into the tax. It's penalizing the new second apron. Definitely makes it a little more impeding to go in, but you can still keep a lot of your players. Whereas in hockey, like, teams are having to make real trade off decisions. I did an interview up in Canada and the first question was like, hey, what do you think about the cap increasing 15% or whatever it is this year? Can you believe it? I was like, well, that's every year. That's every year in the NBA. In the NBA, yeah. And so it's different. But the one thing I've learned is the, like, you can't run in front of, I mean, agent. You can't run in front of your blockers. Like, you've got us. Look at where your team is. And you can't just go in and say, hey, I'm aggressive in every other aspect of my life. I want to come in like you. You actually want to be able to build sustainability and look on the jazz side. It's super painful for me to like sit here and watch our organization down to where we're not winning that much and growing the talent. But I also know that the pain is directly correlated with our upside 100%. And, you know, hockey's been a little bit of a breath of fresh air for Utah while we're going through this, but we're not Going to be down for that long. We've got great people and things switch.

[Pat McAfee]

But definitely with a draft coming up. With a draft coming up, which in everything you were mentioning earlier about, you know, Utah's never, never done it.

[Connor]

Yeah, that's right.

[Pat McAfee]

They've never done it. Wow. Utah could do something they've never done before. Are we giving up leverage or are we just talking about a potential reality for the Utah Jazz? On that note, Ryan, Ty has a question for you.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Ryan, a couple weeks ago, we had LeBron in here, and he was talking about the NBA draft, and he basically said, like, hey, I'm not going to outwardly say it, but I don't think there's any coincidence that like, like the Cavs won the lottery the year I was in, or the Bulls won the lottery when Derrick Rose was. Was there. Like, this kind of stuff tends to happen in the NBA. Obviously, you guys have the opportunity to get the number one pick. Is there any worry that the NBA is going to somehow maybe screw you guys over and. And you won't have a fair shake winning the lottery because you are Utah, you are a small market. And they maybe want to see Cooper flag, you know, go to Washington or something like that? With the success of, you know, the Washington Commanders and the Wizards have been so bad for so long. Like, does that creep into your head at all or not really? Is it kind of just like, hey, the chips are going to fall how they are, and we just have to accept that?

[Ryan Smith]

Well, so my, My head's a little different because I don't believe we're a small market. Like, I look at what we have in Utah and like big mammoths outside of our stadium and like an airport that you. You can fly anywhere in the world. Like, we can go anywhere out of Salt Lake. Like, it's crazy. You got a top three tech economy. You got 7 million people coming in here to ski. Like, we have nothing in common with small market. The only thing we have in common with it is we don't. People don't move to Utah necessarily to live downtown in that urban environment. But you look at Park City, you look at where we are, we have 250,000 college kids within 90 minutes. And it's like there is nothing that is resembling. We have the number one economy in the country. What with the lowest unemployment. Yeah. And it's been that way. And so. So we just had. We've had a branding problem for a long time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Well.

[Connor]

And next year, you know, let's not forget about that. The Number one player in the country is going to byu. So if the NBA does rig it, it's probably going to be next year.

[Ryan Smith]

I saw, you know, he walked in when we were playing. I mean, that kid looks like he's ready right now.

[Pat McAfee]

How do you. He. Where'd he end up going?

[Connor]

Not Utah. It was a different school. He's not a ute. No, no, it's a school in Utah.

[Pat McAfee]

This is the number one overall.

[Connor]

Number one overall player for next year. Yeah, he'll be a freshman next year.

[Pat McAfee]

He didn't go to Duke or he didn't go to Yukon?

[Connor]

No, not Yukon.

[Pat McAfee]

West Virginia. He didn't go to West Virginia.

[Connor]

Well, that'd be dumb. Not. Not that. Not Kansas. Not. Not Gonzalez.

[Pat McAfee]

Texas.

[Connor]

Texas.

[Pat McAfee]

Where'd he go?

[Connor]

He's a kook.

[Pat McAfee]

He went to byu.

[Connor]

Yes, he did.

[Ryan Smith]

Go Cougs.

[Evan]

Go Cougs.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell, yeah. Have you played basketball with him? I assume you have.

[Ryan Smith]

I have not played basketball with him. I have a line of demorphication that I can cross there. So I keep a little bit of a distance there. But, you know, we see each other, we give each other the heads up like, hey, what's up? Cause he's going to be in the league and he's going to be in the league for a long time.

[Pat McAfee]

And how do you end up at byu? That's a crazy worst.

[AJ Hawk]

They offered him the most money.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Is that what happened?

[AJ Hawk]

I believe so.

[Pat McAfee]

Big donors? Is that what it was?

[Ryan Smith]

Hey, so I will tell you straight up. He went to school at Utah Prep. They did not offer him the most money. There's a great coach there. And Kevin Young who came, he was an assistant coach for the Phoenix Suns. He's basically got a pro staff down there. Seems to be a little bit of a trend of what's going on. And, you know, he wanted to stay in Utah.

[Pat McAfee]

He did not.

[Ryan Smith]

BYU's an area where he was comfortable and can get locked in. I mean, he's been on ESPN and talked about it, but. Great kid.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I would imagine he's a great kid and he's an incredible talent. Holy hell. Let's get this guy to Pacers. How do we get this guy?

[Ty Schmidt]

How do you guard this guy?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What is. Who's he play? These are packed gyms. I assume these are big games. I mean, he's just.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah, it's.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, he would dominate your ball is Life game at 6am so could you imagine this guy showing up at your 6am Ball is life game?

[Connor]

He breaks the rules on.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah, he's too tall. He's too tall.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy.

[Ryan Smith]

But I. I'm sure we'd slide.

[Connor]

Big J would love.

[Pat McAfee]

He's going to byu. Is BYU good at hoops?

[Ryan Smith]

They're going to be really good this year. I mean, we made the sweet six Sweet sixteen last year.

[Connor]

Yeah. They were filling up the. Remember, they just had shooters. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What was the. What conference is that?

[Ryan Smith]

Big 12.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, really?

[Ryan Smith]

You familiar? Yeah. Interesting.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like what's going on over there at byu. I. I think. I think we need to. We need to get this.

[Evan]

Mountaineers got their guy.

[Pat McAfee]

We need.

[Evan]

Mountaineers got their guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[Evan]

The new coach?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Evan]

From North Texas.

[Connor]

Yeah. He's like the Neil Brown of basketball.

[Evan]

He is the same. He's the same amount of letters and his name is Neil Brown.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah, he does. Yeah, I remember. He's a guy.

[Ryan Smith]

They got some guys now.

[Pat McAfee]

They got some guys in the portal.

[Connor]

Paul White or something.

[AJ Hawk]

Coach Dave Driscoll.

[Pat McAfee]

He packs. He. He's. He's Ross Hodge. Ross. Ross Hodge.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He. He. He jumps in front of pucks. All right. You gotta get back to your life.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah, I gotta bounce. Hey. Hey. Inspirational. Guys, we got a bunch of new ideas. We're going big, mammoth. We got draft coming up.

[Evan]

We should have charged for this.

[Ryan Smith]

Great to check in.

[Pat McAfee]

We will.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Connor]

I got one more.

[Ryan Smith]

Pretty good one.

[Connor]

Like, you know how for the Vikings, they have the skull drum and it's like at the center. You know, the. The. The Chiefs do it as well, where they're pounding the drum. If you had like a mammoth head and then you had someone like, go inside of it, and then the.

[AJ Hawk]

The.

[Connor]

The trunk made a really loud noise to start the game. Yeah, exactly.

[Ryan Smith]

Would the guy pop out like the.

[Pat McAfee]

K pop guy, like, out of the stage?

[Evan]

Could.

[Ryan Smith]

Like that dude where.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a great video of him. He gets launched. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

He is awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Something think about all these things I hope are on the table. Zito also just dropped in my ear. You need that. That Zamboni needs to be obviously dressed up.

[Ryan Smith]

Yeah, that's. That's just. That's just how happening.

[Connor]

Okay.

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[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

40. What is he, 47?

[Connor]

Yeah, 47.

[Pat McAfee]

47 years old. I think he was something about high school. Something. Obviously was not, like, supposed to be, but he's just, like, such a driven, hardworking guy and just, like, figures things out. And then, like, once I learned his story, because I was asked to go to the Utah Jazz game whenever we were out there for college game day, and we did our show and there was a Fi or Canada chant out there, which was crazy to even think about, but it was a long flight out there.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Then we had our show. Then we had game day the next morning. I was like, I kind of want. I would to like to go to bed. I'm actually pretty tired or whatever. You've been invited to go to the Utah Jazz game. I'm like, thank you to the Utah Jazz. I'm. I'm going to go to bed. I'll talk about it tomorrow. They'll say, thank you to Utah Jazz for inviting me. Then they're like, ryan Smith, the owner, would like you to come, maybe sit with him, or if you don't want to sit with him, just hang out and maybe shake his hand or whatever. And I was like, the owner would like to see me. Yes. I'm like, that's interesting. Have we said anything bad about the Utah. That's the first question. I didn't know if it was a setup. I didn't know if it was like a. Like, hey, why are you saying this about us? So I need to. First, we need to address whether or not this person do. We got heat with this guy. So then I Google him, and it's like learning his story about creating surveys and how he got into it, and basically just hustle, bustle, bustle. Sales company becomes a billionaire. Sales company again, becomes multi billionaire, buys his hometown Jazz team with, like, his friends and everything. Like, because he loved the Jazz, played basketball, grew up there, every, everything like that, and then becomes almost like a pseudo ambassador of Utah. The way he speaks about it, the places. And he's like, I want to make. I want people to know that this place is awesome. So he's like, I'm gonna try to get another sports team. I'm gonna try to get another sports team here. I'm gonna bid for an NHL team. And then that kind of Just pops up. It was like he pitched and then I think there was a downtime. And then all of a sudden something happens and it's like, hey, do you still want a team? This is how much it's gonna be and you can have an NHL team, whatever tomorrow. And he basically makes a decision like, yep, we'll do that. We'll figure it out. I know nothing about this business or anything like that. We'll figure it out. And he has. It's like, I feel like he operates in a way that we would if we, you know, if we, if we had, like, yeah, we. Hell yeah, we wanted. We could. Yeah, we'll be able to figure it out. And then his work ethic, attention to detail, and then his ability to still create and be relatable. He's still like a human, you know, it's. He's a young American dream story that isn't really talked about much, you know, because he's.

[Ty Schmidt]

Don't you think, like, that's what everyone, like every little kid. If, if you all of a sudden came into a ton of money, what would you. Hey, I want to own my. I want to own the team that I watched growing up. Like, and he owns two of them now.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, that's.

[Ty Schmidt]

He created one out of nothing and brought a hockey team there. So, yeah, I'd say that's. That's every kid's dream. That wouldn't be a bad deal.

[Pat McAfee]

I think him hoping four times a week at 6am that's sick. 47 years old would be awesome to have that option. Yeah. To execute it is a whole nother. Cuz I, I assume they have rules. Everybody knows how to. Like in the NFL you got to know how to practice. I assume they have rules on. Hey, it's the key. This is how we're going to play. Like, yeah, if somebody's going really hard, okay, we just let them get to the rack. And if they.

[Connor]

And they're not getting invited back.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And also, yeah, potentially no invite, but we don't need anybody taking any charges. We don't need anybody trying to step in. If people are trying to get to the rack, you just go ahead and let them. We sacrifice a point there and then we just kind of let it roll. They got to be in such good shape too. Four times a week is insane. You say he's doing a three minute sprint thing? Yeah, 47 years, that'd be tough.

[Ty Schmidt]

Those guys were working behind me.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you what that was.

[Ty Schmidt]

That was doing the defensive slides with your Hands behind your back. That brought me back to like.

[AJ Hawk]

There it is.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is. Wow.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who's coming after me?

[Pat McAfee]

I might be us. I think it might be us getting thrown.

[Evan]

We gave him a ton of good ideas.

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, we did.

[Evan]

There used to be a TV show with Kristen Bell and Don Cheadle. I can't remember the name of it. They were consultants.

[Pat McAfee]

House Flies.

[Evan]

House, House of Last. It was a very, very good show if we ever wanted to do that.

[Pat McAfee]

The consulting role.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are big time scam jobs. But I appreciate the fact that people get paid a lot of money for it.

[Evan]

Yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I'm talking about. We would be so good.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you did something good before. Why don't you come in and have no real accountability if it doesn't work? Perfect.

[AJ Hawk]

That'll be 750, 000.

[Evan]

That's a dream job.

[Connor]

You got it.

[Pat McAfee]

Those exist. I didn't know those jobs existed whenever I was growing up. I don't think it's like, well, you got to accomplish something first. Once you accomplish something, then all of a sudden you are a potential consultant to now. Yeah. But it's not your money. It's not your business. No.

[Connor]

So it's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Can say whatever.

[Ryan Smith]

There's got to be.

[Ty Schmidt]

There's got to be a few good ones out there though.

[Pat McAfee]

Definitely. I think consultants have. Definitely on the Internet. For sure. There is. There's consultants, I think that are probably worth hundreds of millions from their consulting and what they do and stuff like that. How about I learned about. I learned about Warren Buffett a little bit, you know, whenever we were in Omaha, you know, because he's from there. He's retiring, I guess. Is that what they're saying? Did you hear that?

[Connor]

Yeah. At the end of the year.

[AJ Hawk]

I did not know Warren Buffett's retiring.

[Evan]

He's old.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's 94 something.

[Pat McAfee]

So he's just been the guy for Forever. Forever. Like every year it's like he's the guy again. Yeah.

[Evan]

Berkshire Hathaway.

[Pat McAfee]

What a run. How's he know? He knows everything.

[Evan]

He owns all the land.

[Connor]

McDonald's every morning, McDonald's, same drinks, Coke. He does Coke.

[Ryan Smith]

Basically.

[Ty Schmidt]

Debone drinks Coca Cola.

[Pat McAfee]

Debone can't see what's going on tomorrow. I think that's what Warren Buffett can do very well. He can't see what's going on right now. Debone's an interesting guy. Debone, you're the best, dude. All right, let's get the hell out of here. We'll be back tomorrow. Shout out to Ryan Smith's joining us.

[Connor]

That's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Shrag's stopping by. Did he tell us anything?

[Evan]

He broke down the insider Pope game pretty well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he. That was. I'll tell you what, Pope Leo, what an underdog story.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's a big deal, though. First American ever, right?

[AJ Hawk]

That's a huge deal. Yeah, huge. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And we celebrate. I feel like we celebrated accordingly.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, I don't think we. And I might speak for myself here, fully understood the severity of the situation and how big of a deal it was, but I love celebrating stuff. And white smoke came for United States of America. I like that. It's good for us. It's good for a world. Let's get back in a good stand.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think. I think Pope Leo, with everybody. I think Pope Leo is going to be a great speaker, good representative.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He knows Latin, I would assume.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he is. He probably knows Latin fluently. I would assume. He has to know Italian, so. Because he had had to know what the. Everyone else was saying there. He probably speaks like seven languages. I would guess.

[Pat McAfee]

Not a lot of time. Yep. Got a lot of time to learn stuff.

[Connor]

Bad for the Celt.

[Evan]

I wonder if our Commander in Chief's gonna take credit for this.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, it's good for America.

[AJ Hawk]

It is good for America.

[Pat McAfee]

Hope Leo anointed the 266th pope.

[AJ Hawk]

And then when I fought that.

[Pat McAfee]

Who.

[AJ Hawk]

Spirit of Santi. Amen.

[Pat McAfee]

Who'd you. What you just. Who to? Okay, so that's Father. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Father, Son, Holy.

[Pat McAfee]

I heard Padre there. Is that Latin?

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

And what was the second one? The Holy Spirit.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Evan]

What a love language that is.

[Pat McAfee]

Right? I mean, that sounds really cool.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it does.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think I'll ever say Father, Son, Holy Spirit ever again. It's la Padre.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Illumina, Padre, Padre et file.

[AJ Hawk]

Espirito. Sante.

[Pat McAfee]

Espirito. Sante. Of course.

[Ty Schmidt]

You remember.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, one more time.

[AJ Hawk]

Enumena, Padre.

[Pat McAfee]

Enumena. Padre. En file.

[AJ Hawk]

Espiritu Santo.

[Pat McAfee]

Espirit numena Padre. En file. Espirit de Santa.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, there you go. Pretty much got it.

[Pat McAfee]

Pretty much. Speaking Latin now.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you what, I'm gonna walk that one day.

[Evan]

What a day.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. This is a big day for me.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Aluminum. Padre. Infinix. Santo. All right, congrats. That's Pope Leo.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's not his name, though. He's Pope Bob. We need her. That needs Bob Prevost. He's Bob Prevost as Chicago.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy went to Villanova.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Little Bobby Prevost out of Chicago.

[Evan]

He's Pope Leo. He's now Pope Leo by way of Pope up.

[Pat McAfee]

Bingo. Yeah. So we need to remember that. All right. Shout out to SeatGeek, today's sponsor. They're the greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth and the moon. They have over 330 million downloads. Congratulations on being a successful business. Wow. Yeah, people dream of a million downloads, especially if you're, you know, a ticket moving or a merch moving app. A million downloads is huge. 30 million downloads. Holy shit. That's huge company. Wow.

[AJ Hawk]

Massive.

[Pat McAfee]

Good for SeatGeek. They weren't always like that. SeatGeek has had to grow with the times here. SeatGeek survived a world live event stoppage there through Covid for like two years because they have such a good core group of people in there. I'm pretty proud of SeatGeek as a business number one rated ticketing app still, after 30 million downloads, each ticket is rated on a scale of 1 to 10. Green dots mean good, red dots mean bad. Bad would mean like, hey, this ticket or a better ticket is available at a better price somewhere else. Good would be a good ticket. Good price right here. You never get catfish. Shout out to CK. And right now I get $30 off tickets with code PAT30. That's code PAT30. Here's the Cavs at Pacers tomorrow night, game three of the Eastern conference semifinals. Tickets are available right now. You have $30 off with Pat 30. We are going to have to be doing this as soon as the show ends. Let's get in there, boys. We need to represent for racers. This could be the year.

[AJ Hawk]

Could be the year.

[Pat McAfee]

This could be the year. $30 off with code PAT30 on any event. Obviously that's an NBA game. NHL was happening. Concerts, comedy. Buy tickets for, you know, the NFL whenever they come out. Anything you need, they got tickets for. Shout out to sea, kid. Shout to you, A.J. great day today, pal.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep. Shout out to you guys. Good job.

[Pat McAfee]

People are saying on the day of the Pope, your hair is doing the.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, make it a. The yarmulke situation again.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's what people are saying today. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't know. Maybe that's my thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Could be. Why not?

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, maybe that's just what I look like, I guess. I don't know. I need a trim too.

[Pat McAfee]

I want.

[Ty Schmidt]

For sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you need to get. You need to get the bar. You need to get the bar.

[Evan]

MVP treatment.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'll trim it up.

[Pat McAfee]

Boys had a barber in today. Boys had a barber in today.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's interesting because, like, my schedule. So when I'm at raw, there's a barber there named Josh. This guy cut my hair a long time ago. Like when we were with nxt. He.

[Connor]

Adam Cole.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That whole era. Yeah. Cut him up. Oh, yeah, yeah. That whole. That whole Covid era. Yeah. Covert era. So we had known him a long time. So when I'm. He's at RAW now, he's been. So these barbers, like, work different shows or whatever. So I. I saw him at RAW the first time, and just for good old days, I said, hey, you got time. And he's like, you got it. So I've been getting my haircuts on Mondays, which kind of messed up the barber in office trend for me. But I'm happy the boys got cleaned up today. One of the greatest perks in the business right there. Do you see how cool JC looked today?

[AJ Hawk]

You mean every day?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know what he looks like every day. I just know whenever he looks.

[Evan]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

How he looks whenever he comes in.

[Connor]

Here once a week. He looks great.

[Pat McAfee]

He looks so cool.

[Connor]

I don't know if he's at least.

[Pat McAfee]

Coolest looking guy of all time. Aj, Long hair.

[Ty Schmidt]

I've seen him. I've seen him a few times. Yeah. I mean, the dude is. I'm sure he's up on all the trends, everything all the young kids do.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a guy named Mikey who works for the WWE who's a barber. Too cool looking.

[Connor]

Those barbers.

[Pat McAfee]

We're talking mullet, like old school, long. He's got some. Some snake skins, boots that look awesome. Always dressed like he just got done with a concert. Oh, like, okay.

[Connor]

It's a good look.

[Pat McAfee]

Just got done with a concert. Always never seen him. Not fresh. Always cool. He's the other barber right there with Josh. Great group, great duo there. Good vibes over there. Wwe, so cool. Speaking of wwe, on Saturday, I have a fight with Gunther.

[Connor]

Yeah, right. Week.

[Pat McAfee]

A mammoth of a man getting through it. Former world champion. I will fight him because he was bullying people around and I don't like it. Especially whenever you disrespect Michael Cole like that. Think about how good Michael Cole has been for us.

[AJ Hawk]

He's the best. He's the goat.

[Pat McAfee]

He's going crazy over this Knick stuff. I mean, he's going absolutely crazy over this next stuff. I'm happy to see him have a little bit of happiness. I'm Happy to see him get a little bit of shine. Because for a long time people didn't necessarily love Michael Cole. They said, wow, this guy, this guy needs to stop doing his job on WWF and wwe. A lot of people said it for a long time now people are understanding and respecting everything that Michael Cole has done for the business. He's beloved, he's allowed to do whatever he wants. And Gunther just didn't like, like how biased we were in his match with Jey uso. He said we were disrespectful, yada yada yada. And then he said I'm a, I'm a choke out a 60 year old. It's like, okay, that's how we got here. And now I'm going to fight with a man who's in his prime, younger than me, World champion a couple weeks ago, literally has very rarely lost in wwe. And he's also a pretty physical specimen. Okay, he's vi.

[AJ Hawk]

Violent.

[Pat McAfee]

He's a violent man. He's very, maybe the most violent. Could be, arguably maybe the most violent.

[AJ Hawk]

Might be the most violent.

[Pat McAfee]

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Ryan Smith]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

That's mindset going in, you know, that's mindset going in, aj. That's how it's got to be, aj. That's how it's got to be.

[Ty Schmidt]

I can't wait, man. I'm sure you're excited, but yeah, I, I, it is wild to think you're getting back in there. Like, that's a, that's a situ. That's a big deal. Like, it really is.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. This is a, this, yeah, I'd say.

[Ty Schmidt]

You can't mail this, this in. You can't just mail this in. You can't just like, yeah, I'll be able to go. Let me go do this a little bit and get out of here. Like, no, this is a real deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, this is.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot. Yeah, that's all kind of settling in too. But hey, you got to do, you got to do what you got to do.

[Evan]

Just sticking.

[Pat McAfee]

Especially whenever you say it, you got to do it. That's what life is. So, you know, I've been, I'm hopefully in a good spot. Odds are way against me as they should be. Long shot, brother.

[Evan]

I don't know to he did he host a sweet science show last weekend?

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. I was around the boxing community, wasn't I?

[Connor]

Picked up a couple things.

[Evan]

I wasn't, wasn't I maybe throw more punches than they did?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Cuz he's thinking the kicks are coming. Which by the way they might still alive. Still alive. Stronger than ever actually. Cuz you remember I ripped my hip flexor so I had to rehab that. So now it's stronger than it's ever been. So we got obviously a lot of thunder and lightning downstairs. But don't look upstairs there. There's a storm coming here too. You know, I think that'll get added into it. Now he is also has some. He has some pretty powerful.

[Connor]

Some heavy mitts.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, mitts.

[Ian Rapoport]

Chops.

[Pat McAfee]

He has like a skillet pride pants. Yeah, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Joe Flacco.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly. In that photo. Gronk. 12 million views on that photo. Why is there so many views on that photo? Wow. Just two super bowl quarterbacks taking a drop back.

[Connor]

Yeah, it's a zoom in photo that really got him.

[Pat McAfee]

12 million views. That's a very. That performed very well. I assume the Cleveland Brown social media people are like, hey, looky here. Okay, we put out what we thought was going to be a good interaction. Actually became a great one. 12 million views. We think we need to do a little bit more of this. We think we need a little bit more side by sides. A bit, little bit more. Two handsome guys just playing the football game for the Cleveland Browns. Let's go and let that hit. And then I guess what had happened was the reason why I had so many views is people were judging the size of Kenny Pickett's hands yet again. Okay. Kenny's been dealing with this since he came out of college. In college, absolute beast. Led Pitt to an ACC championship. Pitt, no offense to Pitt, but Pitt understands reality. Won the ACC with him. He was a dog. First round draft pick, comes and plays for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which obviously he was at school there for a long. It does not work out. Okay. He ends up getting traded. Philadelphia Eagles. He becomes a Super bowl champion. He get gets traded to the Cleveland Browns in the middle of a quarterback question mark that is bigger than I think we have seen in some time. It's certainly the most expensive question mark that we've seen in some time. And all anybody wants to talk about is the same thing from way before he was a Super bowl champion and a whole different guy. It doesn't matter for guys like Kenny Pickett. He's able to spin it and he has the gloves on. Sure. Okay. Kurt Warner wore him at the end. Ben Roethlisberger wore it at the end. Peyton Manning wore gloves at the end. Teddy Bridgewater wore gloves. I mean there's a lot of people that have Wore gloves. But I do think that people say the gloves and sitting next to Joe Flacco who has Gunther like hands, just. It was pretty nice negative reaction for that. But Kenny, hey, you're a Super bowl champion. We would like him to know. We like him as a human and we think he's just fine in the hands department.

[Evan]

We love Kenny as a human. Got to meet Kenny. Got to spend time with Kenny. He's a guy that you can have a beer with.

[Pat McAfee]

You're on a softball team.

[Evan]

I was on a softball team with Kenny teammates. He was awesome teammates. He's a great teammate. The Internet has not been kind to him. I don't like what they're doing with his hands thing. And there's this new thing that they're doing. They're saying that his fake slide set the Steel Steelers organization back five years. I don't like them saying that either. I don't think they should.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're talking about a pit in the middle of the field where he ran and then incredibly athletically dropped the hip fake and then. Yeah, like flag football. Like a flag football move. Basically drops that thing and then skirts around because he has the quickness of a cat. And he's in the first round. That's why he's a first round draft pick. And yeah, they had to change that rule because people say if. If that's how we're going to play, we're going to go ahead and yeah.

[Evan]

We'Re going to take quarterbacks heads off.

[Pat McAfee]

We're going to take.

[Connor]

Yep, do that one might as well.

[Pat McAfee]

But nonetheless, Saturday night. That's right.

[Evan]

There it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Saturday night in a ring that's similar to that one. Shout out to Chad Patton and team for bringing a WWE ring here. They obviously seen the ring that I had purchased whenever I was a young lad in the NFL on the Internet and they said, hey, we can send a ring, man. And I go, you know, you should probably do that. I don't know how long this thing's living here. Looks pretty good where it's at.

[Connor]

It's great.

[Pat McAfee]

It's great. Doesn't. Isn't really that big of a distraction. Too much things can still happen around it, but boy, it is. It's a beautiful ring.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, that last one. Good ring.

[AJ Hawk]

It's a good ring, but there's no two ways about it.

[Pat McAfee]

It was good. It was a good ring.

[Ryan Smith]

It. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

This one, you might break your neck trying to do some acrobatics off the top right rope. But it was a Good ring.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We didn't know what was going to happen. A rope did snap. A little dangerous activity to be, you know, wondering is this thing going to hold up.

[Evan]

We didn't have the pads outside or the stairs that do not budge or.

[Pat McAfee]

The chairs for people to watch, which we thought there was a chance Debone was going to be.

[Connor]

Oh, he's gonna.

[AJ Hawk]

He will.

[Pat McAfee]

There was a chance Debone will be sitting there.

[Connor]

He's gonna.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, I can't wait for that. Can't wait for tomorrow. We're gonna have feel good Friday then we got. We got big games tonight. Warriors, Timberwolves tonight, 8:30 on TNT. Hurricanes, Capitals, as the NHL playoffs continue. Hurricanes up 1 0. That's 7 o' clock on ESPN, then 9:30 on ESPN. Game 2 of the Oilers Golden Knights series. The oilers currently up 1 0.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I gotta have it.

[Pat McAfee]

Stoner had two goals and then McJesus and the boys rattled off four straight last game.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Stoner's hot. Obviously need Jackie Aces. This. This needs to be a Jackie Aces game tonight.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen. TMZ has reported that Aaron Rodgers has been spotted without a ring on mid marriage speculation.

[Connor]

This guy gets it, man. This guy gets it. He's just.

[Pat McAfee]

He's the best.

[Connor]

He's a. He's a puppet master. And we're all playing his game.

[Pat McAfee]

Such a menace. Yep.

[Connor]

So he's got us. He's got us in the palm of his hand.

[Pat McAfee]

Watch this. I wear a wedding ring at the derby. I'll just put my left hand on the outside and watch them all.

[Evan]

Everybody's now we know as newlyweds. Sometimes it's. It's weird to get used to the first. That first week.

[AJ Hawk]

That is true.

[Connor]

Maybe he got a divorce.

[Pat McAfee]

I've seen that in Entourage. Remember old buddy there in. Nolan might have been working out.

[Ryan Smith]

Maybe he's clanging and banging.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he's doing yoga. It was too hot. Hot yoga. Yeah.

[Evan]

Maybe he's golfing. He forgot to put it back on.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he's not married. What? Is that a possibility?

[Connor]

No, not in my mind.

[Pat McAfee]

Me neither.

[Evan]

He's married to the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Think about how happy he is whenever that happens. Is that what you. Is that why you said there wasn't much clarity? Because you're like, there's no way you just did this just to.

[Ty Schmidt]

Honestly, I don't know. I. I'm trying to figure it out as well.

[Pat McAfee]

You guys. As well as. So are you surprised? Okay, Is. Are you surprised the ring is off now?

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm not surprised by Anything, to be honest with you.

[Connor]

Did you see the ring off at any point over the weekend?

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't believe so, no.

[Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

When you showed up, the first thing you saw was ring. Is that accurate?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, pretty early on. Yeah, I would notice.

[Evan]

Was it a rubber ring?

[Pat McAfee]

I assumed.

[Ty Schmidt]

I assumed it was like the. The sleep tracker thing at first, though, or.

[Pat McAfee]

And then you told him, like, well, what's the aura gimmick thing telling you about? Is that what you asked? Like, how's your sleep cycle, man? Are you getting 90% recovery? Is that what you asked? Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, yeah, I would say stuff like that. Didn't get too many answers or any really, but.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. AJ Hawk is in the TMZ article is saying, come on now. He told Pat, well, we gotta buy these ortho feet. Very comfortable. One of Aaron Rodgers, former Packers teammates, spend a bunch of time with the quarterback out in Louisville. He told Pat McV this week there was zero explanation behind the sudden appearance of the ring. Okay. No update from the situation. Hawk said Tuesday. I'm not gonna lie. All right.

[AJ Hawk]

They got you there.

[Ty Schmidt]

They quoted me.

[Pat McAfee]

I can't believe you said that. No update from the situation. I'm not going to lie.

[Connor]

Respect.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a great A.J. hawk book. That is a great. That is. Oh, that's awesome.

[Ty Schmidt]

It seems dumbbells, not wedding bells, are his priority. It said at the bottom of that.

[Connor]

That's a great line, too.

[Pat McAfee]

For now, we all appear to know. All we appear to know is that Rogers is in a serious relationship with a woman named Britney. Outside of that, it seems dumbbells, not wedding bells. Ours. Brian. That's a bar. Who wrote this? Let's see.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, that's Harvey Webb.

[Connor]

Shakespeare.

[Pat McAfee]

Is it all Harvey? Every time. Is it like pro football talk? I always assume it's Florio. Is that how that works? But there are other writers on Pro Football Talk. Yeah, that. There's a David Fella.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And is that it?

[AJ Hawk]

I think there's like three or four maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Because anytime I see Pro Football Talk tweet, I just go, that's Florio. But then every once in a while, there's a quote, like, of an article that is tweeted out, and I'm like, okay, is this a Florio article or not? Is this all Harvey?

[AJ Hawk]

I don't think so.

[Pat McAfee]

And then the other guy. I did their show one time whenever I was. I was like, harvey, I've been watching you for years, buddy. People's quarter. I remember the whole thing, dude. You were. Yeah. I would love Doing an interview. What was the guy? His co host, the guy with the dreads? Yeah. I think he probably is co owner at this point. You would certainly. Anyways, AJ they know you, they're listening to you. Don't be a leak. Don't be a rat. Yeah, Charles.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'll try.

[Peter Schrager]

Not Charles.

[Pat McAfee]

Charles. What?

[Evan]

I think it's Charles.

[Ty Schmidt]

Charles Davis.

[AJ Hawk]

Was he on there?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know how to pronounce Charles Davis. I. How's he doing? Good.

[Ty Schmidt]

He could do anything.

[Evan]

He's now the lead. Lead college football announcer for cbs.

[Pat McAfee]

Really?

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations.

[Connor]

CBS number one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, cuz Energy, good energy. Has a football in the studio which I like.

[AJ Hawk]

Gary Daniels.

[Evan]

Gary Danielson retired.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats to Gary. Hell of a career. Hell of a career. Voiced over a lot of Magical moments movies too, right? He.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he may have been in a couple.

[Evan]

Was he in Water Boy?

[AJ Hawk]

He might have been in Water Boy. I know Dan F. Was.

[Evan]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Smith]

Right, right.

[Pat McAfee]

Those sports people getting into the sports movies is always like. Feels like a step for, you know. Yeah.

[Connor]

Burman in Longest Yard.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well Dan Patrick's in every Sandler movie, isn't he?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the whole crew. I think it's. Or is it just Dan?

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean the whole. There's.

[Ryan Smith]

Oh yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't know if everybody. But yeah, Dan Patrick always pops up.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, Sandman's a weapon, dude.

[Ty Schmidt]

When's Happy Gilmore too? When's that come out?

[Connor]

Soon. This summer.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It has to be good. I assume it has to be good.

[AJ Hawk]

I sure hope so.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean post Sandman hits. Sandman Hits.

[Connor]

Hustle is a great movie.

[AJ Hawk]

No, I agree. It's. Anytime you have this much space in between a sequel.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, they're trying to relaunch the thing cuz a lot of people don't know the original. They're going to try to watch. They're going to try to get a lot of people that had probably don't know, haven't followed the original so they got to create this as its own thing basically. Right?

[AJ Hawk]

Definitely.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

But it's just like. I mean we've seen it happen but like first Dumb and Dumber, same thing. It's like you. You eventually like I assume that that.

[Pat McAfee]

Dumb and Dumber one was so bad. Bad. That was a bummer. That was really good.

[Connor]

Hot tub time machine 2 actually that was pretty good.

[AJ Hawk]

But I assume that Sandman wouldn't make this if he didn't like the script and he didn't think like people will enjoy because ultimately he's the one who's given the yes or no.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And we all just view Sandman as movie creator. Yeah. Like, even the movies where he's just an actor or a voice actor. And I assume Sandman created it because of how much money he gets paid to create. Create things and how much I want. I like. I think he is.

[Evan]

Hey, Grown Ups too was good.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think I remember it.

[Connor]

Hubie. Halloween.

[Pat McAfee]

So good. He needs to make Hotel Transylvania 4.

[Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

There is a 4, isn't there? I. I don't know. I think there's a four. What he needs to keep making them. They're so good, aren't they? Love Hotel Trans.

[Connor]

The one with Frankie loves it.

[Ty Schmidt]

They're good. They're good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. McKenzie loved Hotel Transylvania, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, It's a great show he did. I don't think he created it, though. Hotel Transylvania. Really?

[Ryan Smith]

That's surprising.

[Pat McAfee]

Seems like he did, right? That feels like Sam An.

[Ty Schmidt]

He had to. He must have.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, we'll get the hell out of here. We'll see you tomorrow. What a waste of time here at the end. But it was a good conversation. Congrats to Pope Leo.

[AJ Hawk]

Hell, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out. Pretty proud of Pope Leo.

[AJ Hawk]

Me too.

[Pat McAfee]

Just kid from scratch. Chicago. Chicago.

[Ty Schmidt]

Who takes over his Chicago church now?

[Pat McAfee]

He's been long gone from there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Has he. Has he been over there forever now?

[Pat McAfee]

I guess. Yeah. I don't know. Do you have to do, like, an internship? I saw he was doing a lot of stuff in South America.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I don't think so. But if he's in line to become a pope, he's probably overseeing a massive archdiocese somewhere.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that mean, archdiocese?

[AJ Hawk]

Like the. Like, you'd be stationed in, like, a city or something, and then you oversee, like, all the churches within that, like, so if you were like, the, you know, running, like, the Archdiocese of Chicago, like, there are a shitload of Catholic churches in, like, the Chicagoland area that, like, he would oversee all those.

[Pat McAfee]

And he lives in. What.

[Connor]

What would he live in at that point?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Like, is there an arch seminary or whatever?

[AJ Hawk]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Whenever he's the. The overseer of the archdiocese, I think.

[AJ Hawk]

I think they live pretty good. There'd be, like, a basilica or something. Again, I don't. I don't know. I'm just talking from personal experience here, but, like, there'd be, like, a basilica or, like, the church, you know, like the biggest church that he works out of. And then there would be, like, a rectory, like, right next door, which is, like, just like his house, pretty much that's like, attached to the church or like, near it.

[Pat McAfee]

What a wild business, you know, because, I mean, you can climb the ranks. You probably want to. You have to deliver the best sermons. And then people. Word gets out that you deliver great sermons.

[AJ Hawk]

That's probably part of it. I'm. Honestly, I'm. I'm not sure because we've never had an American guy be the Pope, so I really. I don't even know, like, how. Obviously he's super, super well respected.

[Pat McAfee]

So, like, I do wonder how it goes.

[Ty Schmidt]

I wonder how hopefully being like a great communicator would be one of the top traits you have to have.

[AJ Hawk]

I would assume so.

[Connor]

Everyone likes you.

[Pat McAfee]

But this last Pope, he hasn't been able to talk for some time. Allegedly he was tight with the last Pope, so it may have been a. Oh, he's hands selected them. I don't. I don't think you could do that with the. But I think he probably gave him a ringing endorsement. 133 cardinals did the voting is what we read from the I paper shots of their YouTube stream today.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it was huge.

[Pat McAfee]

Felt like we were there.

[AJ Hawk]

It did.

[Connor]

That was sick.

[Pat McAfee]

Everything they did, we thought was the announcement. Old buddy comes out and cuts a promo in that big microphone.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That was great. All the lads kind of on the windows, them opening their doors and such. Demonstrative fashion.

[Connor]

Jacked up.

[Pat McAfee]

So. Jacked up. You didn't get the walking right too, by the way. What's that? You got the walking correct. He did just come in and start waving. Oh, yeah. We didn't get a chance to see the beginning. We did see him, though. Peter Schrager was in the middle of a great take, Buddy. First time we're seeing this. Got a cut here. Schrager having some inside information on the Pope thing was fascinating.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not shocking, though.

[Connor]

That's Trager.

[Pat McAfee]

He said he was getting texts that there was some other cardinals that were up for the popemanship, saying that they. They. This guy's already crying. This is not what we need from the Pope. That's what Trank said he was hearing. Now, that's. We don't know if his sources are in there or not, but seems like they keep a pretty tight circle over there. Smoke signals. That's right.

[Connor]

Old school.

[Pat McAfee]

266 popes. How long is that?

[AJ Hawk]

Long time. Long time.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. When was the first?

[AJ Hawk]

I. I couldn't tell you. Jesus. The 1600s.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Evan]

30 AD.

[AJ Hawk]

There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

30 AD it's been a Pope in.

[AJ Hawk]

Place for a Long time.

[Connor]

Paul, the first Pope.

[Pat McAfee]

Some people contest that the Roman Empire.

[Evan]

Never really went away.

[Ryan Smith]

It just morphed into the Vatican and the Catholic Church.

[Pat McAfee]

Because where is the Catholic's home?

[AJ Hawk]

Vatican City?

[Evan]

Rome.

[Pat McAfee]

Which is in where?

[AJ Hawk]

Italy. It's technically its own little thing.

[Pat McAfee]

But two summers ago. How was it, Foxy? Cultured. Absolutely beautiful. Beautiful. We went through this church that was the longest church you'll ever see. You're going through tunnels. It took like two hours. It was insane. It was awesome. So whenever you're walking through this church, is there the pews everywhere? Like some people are in the way, way, way, way, way, way, way back. And there's like one priest up in the front. I would actually like consider it more of a museum. And then you're going like room to room to room to room and you're seeing all sorts of stuff. And then it leads to like the most beautiful church I've ever seen in my life. They. You weren't even allowed to take photos or video videos there. So it was pretty cool. Candles and everything, I assume, right? Massive. The whole deal. The music. Exactly what you're thinking of. Candles, all of it. What's Notre Dame? I went to Notre Dame whenever I played soccer over there as a teenager. And all they kept saying was see it on. You know, they were yelling at us to be quiet. We couldn't take any pictures. But it is like such a holy hell. What a beautiful spectacle.

[AJ Hawk]

Feet of architecture.

[Evan]

You been one in Barcelona?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that one was under construction pretty heavily.

[Evan]

Has been for like 250 years.

[Pat McAfee]

Under construction?

[Evan]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

So beautiful though when they finish it up, I assume they're still under construction right now. That was.

[Evan]

I think they recently. I could be just talking out of my ass most likely, but I thought they recently.

[Pat McAfee]

Foxy, thanks for going over there and being cultured for us. Yeah, it was awesome. Did you sit down and. And no, I didn't do any of that. Why not, Foxy? Because I'm a big. Hey, let's go see this thing. Let's get through this thing. Awesome. Take some photos, take some videos even though you couldn't. And then let's go get a little drink after. Okay. Booze, B. Yeah, exactly. Classic. You could have stayed. Probably got a little bit of a drink, which we don't know if Pope Leo is going to change. Did you hear us talking about that? A little brainstorming for the Pope too. Maybe a little bit more.

[Ty Schmidt]

Maybe a little more food. Yeah, A little more of the. Yeah. Food and drink some vodka.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You don't need different options. Let's not disrespect vodka. What's up?

[Connor]

Sprinkle it in.

[Pat McAfee]

Just for water.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Just a little sauce.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Gotta be able to work vodka into a story.

[Connor]

Exactly.

[Evan]

You should bring up your own fifth and be like this is what I want.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's pretty early to be boozing everybody. That does it.

[Connor]

I heard it to be malort.

[AJ Hawk]

It could be.

[Pat McAfee]

It is.

[Evan]

Old style Chicago.

[Pat McAfee]

What a change that would be just for the entire.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, people wouldn't love that.

[Connor]

Maybe hot dog water or little pieces of hot dog.

[Pat McAfee]

I was talking to a guy from Chicago yesterday. We're talking about the whole, you know, mustard, ketchup thing. What a convo. Just because we're from Pittsburgh. Heinz. So yeah, I put ketchup on a hot dog. That's becoming a sin now, by the way. Bingo. Yeah, exactly. That's literally how the guy was talking yesterday. It was all ketchup on a hot dog. You're not supposed. Chicago people consider themselves hot dog people. Even though they don't enjoy the best tasting hot dog, which is a hot dog with ketchup on it. They actually think you can't put ketchup on a hot dog. It's just a mustard type operation. None of it makes sense to me either, brother. I have no idea how that started for them. They're missing out. They are missing out.

[Connor]

They are big time.

[Pat McAfee]

Definitely. They need to just kind of put that one to rest with the last Pope.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, Pope Leo from Chicago.

[Ty Schmidt]

Flush it.

[Pat McAfee]

Just flush it. Bury the ball. Bury the ball. That was a bad decision by you guys. You shouldn't have done done it. If this goes in, the Mammoth are going to win.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sweet.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Western Conference is tough.

[Pat McAfee]

There's uhoh.

[Connor]

They got maybe Jazz there.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. If this goes in. Jazz gave him number one overall pick.

[Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Never done.

[Ty Schmidt]

Cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh no.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Connor]

He's going to Chicago.

[Pat McAfee]

This goes in, I win.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Connor]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my.

[Evan]

Well, you jump over lava. Shoot it from the green.

[Pat McAfee]

That was almost more devastating than that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Hit the flag, didn't it?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Look how small that is. Look how much space there is. And it hit that. I don't like that one bit.

[Evan]

So it crushed Tigers one masters. You had to hit the flag. Rolled in the water.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

There's so much room for it not to hit go anywhere. Could just bounce right back to me. But no bonus balls.

[AJ Hawk]

No bonus balls.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. We got another day tomorrow.

[AJ Hawk]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll ask the universe again tomorrow. If we're lucky enough to wake up, we'll be appreciative for it. And we can't wait to chit chat about sports and life with you again. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice about chance. Your life. We're going to send together team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team goodbye.