PMS 2.0 1382 - AQ Shipley, Jeff Passan, Texans GM Nick Caserio, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show – Episode PMS 2.0 1382

Episode Information:

• Title: PMS 2.0 1382 - AQ Shipley, Jeff Passan, Texans GM Nick Caserio, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
• Release Date: July 29, 2025
• Host/Author: Pat McAfee, ESPN
• Description: Pat McAfee, along with AJ Hawk, the Toxic Table, and Tone Digs, delves into the biggest sports news daily from their unique blend of insider insights and relatable humor.

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1. Introduction to NFL Training Camps

Pat McAfee opens the episode by discussing the bustling activity across NFL training camps in 32 cities. He emphasizes the unpredictability inherent in predicting team performances due to variables like injuries and unexpected team dynamics.

Pat McAfee [00:00]: "Football. It's happening all around the NFL in training camps in 30 cities. I should have done the math there before I went for that one."

Pat highlights last season's surprises, such as the Washington Commanders' unexpected near-championship run and nods to established teams like the Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs, forecasting a mix of expected powerhouses and potential dark horses.

Pat McAfee [02:30]: "There's going to be teams that have been habitual, shitty football teams that are going to end up being good this year and going to surprise the hell out of us."

2. Response to Midtown Manhattan Shooting

Transitioning to serious news, Pat addresses the tragic Midtown Manhattan shooting, condemning the association of football with the act and reaffirming football's role in unifying and uplifting communities.

Pat McAfee [04:15]: "We hate the fact that we are being associated with this because all we're supposed to do is make lives better. That's what sports are supposed to do."

He expresses solidarity with the victims and condemns the actions of the perpetrator, distancing the sport from violence and advocating for continued societal happiness and peace.

3. NFL Network's August Popularity

The conversation shifts to the NFL Network's surge in viewership during August, attributed to the excitement surrounding training camps and the emergence of potential game-changing players.

Pat McAfee [05:07]: "There's a chance that this could be the best year in the history of the NFL. And it's all starting right now."

4. Insights into Major League Baseball (MLB)

a. CBA and Salary Cap Discussions

Pat and his guests delve into the ongoing negotiations surrounding MLB's Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), highlighting the potential introduction of a salary cap modeled after other major leagues like the NFL, NBA, and NHL.

Darius Butler [06:56]: "If a salary cap gets put in place, they'll start putting percentages on each player. Hey, your best hitter gets this percentage of the salary cap."

Concerns are raised about the feasibility of implementing a salary cap in MLB without jeopardizing player salaries and the sport's free-market appeal.

b. Gambling Allegations and Player Integrity

The discussion intensifies around gambling allegations involving players from the Cleveland Guardians, specifically Emmanuel Clase and Eugenio Suarez. The potential impact on their careers and the integrity of the sport is scrutinized.

Darius Butler [08:48]: "When you have micro bets that exist, when you can bet on something like, is this going to be a ball or is this going to be a strike? You are running the risk of having a 1200 player population that is not all going to be immune to chasing the money."

The group debates the effectiveness of MLB's current measures to combat gambling-related offenses and the implications for future trades and team compositions.

5. Pittsburgh Steelers Training Camp Coverage

Pat expresses gratitude towards the Pittsburgh Steelers for their support and hospitality, mentioning their upcoming live coverage from the Steelers' training camp. He recounts his personal experiences and connections with the Steelers community.

Pat McAfee [11:28]: "The last time I was at this was a little boy with my dad at Training camp. It's crazy."

6. The Crucial Role of Offensive Lines in the NFL

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing the importance of offensive lines (O-lines) in determining a team's success. The conversation centers around various teams' O-line strengths and weaknesses, with a particular focus on the Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs.

a. Philadelphia Eagles' Elite Offensive Line

The Eagles are lauded for having one of the best O-lines in the league, contributing to their potential dynasty.

Pat McAfee [19:24]: "I think Notre Dame's schedule of yesteryear was a lot tougher. I mean, recently, they're playing Duke, they're playing Stanford. Stanford isn't what it used to be."

b. Kansas City Chiefs' Offensive Line Developments

The Chiefs' O-line undergoes scrutiny, especially regarding the performance and adjustments after last season's Super Bowl.

Ty Schmidt [20:39]: "Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith, obviously they let Tuni walk, but they're moving the left tackle that got benched last year in the first game."

c. Houston Texans' Off-Season Moves

Nick Caserio, GM of the Houston Texans, discusses the team's active off-season, including trades and signings aimed at strengthening the offensive and defensive lines.

Nick Caserio [69:15]: "So we've done that a few times here in Houston. We did it back in the day in New England as well. We did it with Jason McCourty, something very similar."

d. Arizona Cardinals' Offensive Line and AQ Shipley's Role

With AQ Shipley transitioning to a color commentator role for the Arizona Cardinals, the focus remains on building a robust O-line to support their offensive strategy.

Pat McAfee [25:08]: "Both O-lines, as you mentioned, it does have the greatest."

7. Penn State Football Outlook

The episode touches upon Penn State University's football team, analyzing Coach James Franklin's strategies and the potential for a national championship contention this season.

Ty Schmidt [39:56]: "They've gone all in on this. They've gone all in with everything at the university."

Discussions highlight the team's continuity, strong roster, and the impact of recent performances on their championship aspirations.

8. Player Spotlights

a. C.J. Stroud – Quarterback Excellence

C.J. Stroud's development from a promising rookie to a consistent quarterback is examined, with expectations for his sophomore season emphasizing improved consistency and leadership.

Pat McAfee [70:19]: "He's gained a lot of lower body strength. And I think the big thing with the transition offensively is just trying to get an understanding of what we're trying to do on a day to day basis."

b. Offensive Line Star Power

Players like Bernard Bennett and Raymond's contributions to their teams' O-lines are celebrated, underscoring their impact on the games.

Pat McAfee [25:24]: "Congrats, Bernard. We don't know if it's Bernard or that's how the boys have been saying. But nonetheless, happy they paid him."

9. Major League Baseball's Future and Challenges

The group discusses the potential ramifications of MLB's ongoing CBA negotiations, emphasizing the need to avoid a lockout that could severely impact the sport's popularity and financial stability.

Jet Passan [49:25]: "I just hope the 2027 season is not the casualty to get there."

Concerns are also raised about player integrity in the face of micro-betting and the league's efforts to maintain fair play.

10. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Events

Pat wraps up the episode by previewing upcoming coverage from the Pittsburgh Steelers' training camp and the Pro Football Hall of Fame event in Canton. The excitement for engaging with former players and offering fresh insights remains palpable.

Pat McAfee [58:50]: "We will be there. We'll be there. We'll be judging with the rain. We'll be at King, we'll be at camp."

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Notable Quotes:

• Pat McAfee [00:00]: "Football. It's happening all around the NFL in training camps in 30 cities."

• Pat McAfee [19:24]: "Philadelphia Eagles still the best offensive line of football."

• Darius Butler [06:56]: "If a salary cap gets put in place, they'll start putting percentages on each player."

• Ty Schmidt [20:39]: "Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith... they're moving the left tackle that got benched last year in the first game."

• Jet Passan [49:25]: "I just hope the 2027 season is not the casualty to get there."

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Conclusion:

Episode PMS 2.0 1382 offers a comprehensive dive into the current state of the NFL, emphasizing the pivotal role of offensive lines in team success. Simultaneously, it sheds light on the challenges facing MLB, particularly concerning collective bargaining and player integrity. With engaging discussions and expert insights from guests like AQ Shipley and Jeff Passan, listeners gain a nuanced understanding of the evolving sports landscape. The episode concludes with anticipation for live coverage from the Pittsburgh Steelers' training camp and reflections on the broader implications of ongoing sports negotiations.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On This Football Tuesday, July 29, 2025 this program begins now. Football. It's happening all around the NFL in training camps in 30 cities. I should have done the math there before I went for that one. You're right. 30. You get it. There are 32 teams that are at training right now and trying to build the best team that they possibly can to maybe make a run at the Lombardi. We were chit chatting about this before we went live about how, you know, predicting how tough a schedule is going to be for any team at this particular point is a pretty outrageous thing to try and do. Who knows what injuries are going to come before the season? Who knows what team is going to turn it on? I mean, did anybody think that the Washington Commanders are going to be good last year? Absolutely not. They almost win the whole damn thing. Now, obviously the Philadelphia Eagles are as dominant as they were and they're certainly maybe in the middle of starting a dynasty as they're combating against obviously another dynasty that's happening in Kansas City. We know a few teams that are going to be great, but there's going to be teams that aren't going to be shite. There's going to be teams that have been habitual, shitty football teams that are going to end up being good this year and going to surprise the hell out of us. And all those things that are happening at all these camps right now are what lead to that potential success. So whenever we see a highlight, we should be excited. Whenever we see these guys working their ass off, we should be pumped up. Whenever we see them get into a little bit of a scrum and get excited about physicality, we should be jacked up. But we need to understand that there's so much growth from now until the actual season kicking off. There's so much development, there's so much of finding of a team that can happen in the next few weeks that can turn you from being maybe ass into maybe dynasty. That's what training camp's all about. Now, obviously, before we get started, we got to send our thoughts, prayers, positive vibes to everybody that was affected in the Midtown Manhattan shooting at 345 Park Avenue yesterday. An asshole, a piece of shit, traveled from Nevada all the way over there, walked through Midtown Manhattan with an AR15, went into the Blackstone and NFL building at 345 Park Avenue and four people end up dead with another one in critical stable condition. That worked for the NFL absolutely horrendous act absolutely terrible. And the fact that they are linking it from a note in his pocket to football being the cause of this is obviously devastating for us in the sporting world and sport community. We think football is a beautiful sport. We think it is the best sport on earth. Yesterday was obviously a cause in an asshole's mind to go do something terrible and horrific in New York. We send nothing but positive thoughts to everybody that is going to be affected by that. We saw the Blackstone offices getting boarded up, couldn't even imagine the mindset going back into that building, let alone just people at 345 Park Avenue. But everybody in New York, obviously you're around a lot of people when you're in that city. Anything can pop off at any time. Whenever something like that takes place, where a guy is just walking through the city with an ARIF 2015 perspective is put in real quickly that, hey, we gotta be on our P's and Q's out here. We gotta understand that although we are all hoping for a much better society and a perfect world, and I think a majority of humans all feel the same exact way on what Earth and planet Earth and the United States could be, there's always going to be people that are, without a lack of better word, and it was said a lot, evil. There's going to be evil people. Now, he said he thinks his brain has CTE and he had mental health issues beforehand. And that was obviously being used as a reason for all this. Can happen. It can't happen, okay? Can't happen. And we hope it never does again, but the reality is it will. And we got to make sure that we are continuing to provide society with a reason to be happy and peaceful as opposed to continuing to move on, worrying about assholes doing asshole things. With that being said from football, I don't want to say I speak for football, but we hate the fact that we are being associated with this because all we're supposed to do is make lives better. That's what sports are supposed to do. Supposed to unify people. Not supposed to get people to drive across the country with a gun and go kill people they don't know. Okay? That's how we feel. I think that's how everybody from sports feels that I have talked to and absolutely devastating. We will now be hopefully a little bit of a distraction from all the potential negative happening or a little bit of a celebration of what the football world has going on that isn't that like training camp and dreams taking place all over the world. You know, we Talked to Peter Schrager yesterday and he said that the NFL Network execs tell you that August is actually their most watched time. And obviously the NFL Network doesn't have playoff games and everything like that in January and December and February, obviously the super bowl, which is when everybody else's numbers are through the roof because they have the games and everything like that. But everybody watches the NFL Network in these training camps because every team has optimism, every team has a highlight coming out, every team has a new player doing something that's like, wait a minute. That's the missing. That's the missing piece we needed. Right?

[Boston Conner]

There we go.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a chance that this could be the best year in the history of the NFL. And it's all starting right now. The talks tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Here's some baseball stuff happening.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Bryce Harper with his beautiful hair, braids, handsome face. Oh yeah. Incredible baseball resume.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And name Manfred came in. Hey boys. How we good? You sorry, cat. Bryce said get the fuck out of here. We don't want to hear you negotiating with us. We don't want to hear because allegedly there was something about going around to PA as well. And how is that whole thing going to go? I heard some rumblings at the All Star when I was talking to some of the players about some of their fears and everything like that. Literally. Right. How is it all?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, embedded in it.

[Pat McAfee]

This feels like there's some big shit right around the corner here for baseball. Like very, very big. We're talking about baseball being in a surge. Okay. That's what we've been talking about.

[Darius Butler]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

And we, I think we all 9 year NFL vet Darius J. Butler, I think we all agree baseball is doing a little something. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Biggest stars showing up in the biggest moments and that's when you get the casuals in. That's what any big time sports one, that's what the run kind of run the MLB has been on.

[Pat McAfee]

Home Run Derby up 5, 6%. I forget what it was. I mean every baseball good right now. Yeah. But then if you forecast to the future in this moment, it's like, oh no, is this all for naught? Are we about to take a massive step backwards and they're not going to be able to get a new CBA done. Is the salary cap going to get implemented and people are going to get pissed? Are the players going to not only maybe get struck like a strike, but are they going to get held out, locked out of this entire thing? I mean it feels like there's some real shit brewing. When does this all happen? And we're going to have jet passing on at 1245. 1240 ish. This feels real for baseball. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, like, it didn't really happen, but it kind of started with the, the COVID year when they were. Because they basically were saying like, hey, if you're one of these players who's making a bunch of money, you're going to have to take like 60% of your salary because we're having less games. And all those guys were like, no, absolutely not. So obviously you get guys who are signing 750 million or a guy like Bryce Harper judge, they're making $400 million. Like if a salary cap is implemented, like, guess what? Those guys are going to be standing to make a lot less money. Probably you would think, because teams aren't going to be able to pay these exorbitant numbers for one player. And let's just say the stars of the game, when it's been played one way for forever, they're not all of a sudden going to be the, the ponies who just say like, yeah, go ahead, you can cut my salary in half. That's fine.

[Pat McAfee]

That's probably dropping. I mean.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I mean some of these guys stand to lose like a lot of hundreds. Yeah, hundreds of millions of dollars. And they're just, they're not going to go quietly into the night as I laugh.

[Pat McAfee]

Because like that is. That is the reality of the situation. Yeah, that is. Real deal. If a salary cap gets put in place, they'll start putting percentages on each player. Hey, your best hitter gets this percentage of the salary cap. This pitcher gets this just like football does.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's going to obviously cap things. I assume it will make a lot of ass teams more competitive because if there was a cap, there would be.

[Darius Butler]

A floor to spend to the floor. Right.

[Pat McAfee]

So we'll talk to passion, we'll talk to passing a little bit, see what he's got going on. Anything else happening in baseball?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, there's still, you know, some gambling allegations.

[Pat McAfee]

What? More negativity?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, same team too. So it's kind of. We'll see.

[Boston Conner]

What?

[Darius Butler]

I don't know what's going on in Cleveland specifically in the bulk? Nothing good in Cleveland, but they're saying a lot of these guys are very suspect right now.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean? What do you mean?

[Darius Butler]

So like Emmanuel Clase, who two years ago he was like arguably the best closer in baseball and he's just been Bad this year. And then so this comes out that says, like, we think he might be. We don't know yet. He's placed on administrative leave. There could be a gambling situation. So then some of the sleuths go out and like, look at some of his pitches. Yeah. There's this situation where he had, what, 22 pitches with an OO count, with the bases empty. And this guy went through and was basically like, wow, a lot of these are uncompetitive.

[Pat McAfee]

How about. How about a Han run here going. Could have made a lot of money if we knew what was happening. Pretty obvious is what they're saying now. These are all allegations, obviously.

[Darius Butler]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

And the ball can hold onto your finger a little bit longer and you can throw it in the dirt. We watch people go out there for the first pitch all the time. Put it in the dirt. I tried to do it. Put it in dirt a little bit. Right. So we can see how that could happen. Right. But, man, whenever there's an. Which is what? This is just an allegation.

[Ty Schmidt]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

These are just allegations. Okay. I think there's been some that have been come to fruition and people have been banned forever. Correct. But there is just an allegation here. All the sports where there's allegations on these players, not only are you guys being told your cheats, okay? Now you got people going through your entire career looking for your most ass player.

[AQ Shipley]

And they're good.

[Pat McAfee]

And they are good at finding them.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, they'll find you.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if it's Grok. I don't know if it's Mr. GPT or Mr. GPT. I don't know who it is. But if somebody's getting an allegation against them that they're throwing games, people are automatically thinking that that's a negative. So whenever these guys look worse than they've ever looked before, that is whenever they were giving it away. That's a tell. And they find them.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And I'll tell you what, guys look like ass. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Fans of the Guardians who are like, this guy was lights out last year and he sucks this year. So, yeah, I can go find what's going on with this guy. He's also one of, like, the biggest pieces to potentially get traded. And so I have no idea. He's been placed on administrative leave, I think, to like the end of August.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Obviously Eugenio Suarez, he was. He's the other big piece who might get traded. He got hit in the hand last night. X rays were negative, so he doesn't have anything broken.

[Pat McAfee]

That's scary.

[Darius Butler]

But.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, right. Well.

[Darius Butler]

And the big thing with him was the Tigers. They're playing the Tigers and they're saying, like, the Tigers are the team who need him. Like, they might. So, like what.

[Pat McAfee]

What a.

[Darius Butler]

Just, you know. Yeah. The universe working against you. We might want to trade for this guy. Let's drill him in the hand and break his.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, classic Tigers. Let's go to one half of the Hammer Cowboys. AP Tone. Hey, football camps all over the place. We're going to be in defensive college tomorrow live at Pittsburgh Steelers training camp. The guest list from what I'm hearing, is pretty outrageous.

[Boston Conner]

Let's go.

[Pat McAfee]

So the Pittsburgh Steelers. First of all, we're very thankful that I think a lot of people in that building and on that team watch the show.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, I think they are. They understand it. Obviously, we are from Pittsburgh, so we are talked about by, I think, their friends in the neighborhoods in which they live, whether good or bad, whatever the case. So we're. We've kind of been forced into the Pittsburgh Steelers people's lives. Now, granted, I'm a former punt passing kick champion, national champion.

[AJ Hawk]

Bingo.

[Boston Conner]

For the Pittsburgh Steelers on that field.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know how many Pittsburgh Steelers representatives won the national punt passing kick legitimately. I might be the only one. Whatever the case, they. They know us. Congratulations.

[Boston Conner]

Thought Billy Gardell won one.

[Pat McAfee]

He did. After. No, no, he did the adult.

[AJ Hawk]

That was Andy Reid.

[Pat McAfee]

That was it. Andy Reid did do that. He had a helmet on. That was a different punt passer kick than I did. He did not have full old school, full. That punt pass and kick contest was built for me, though, now that you guys kind of know me a little bit. Yeah, that was a contest that was literally built for me. My mom forced me to do it. She was like, hey, you gotta. This is love that we're doing it. Mom drove me to this thing. She like set it all up, did the whole thing and immediately just beat the shit outta her. I mean, the little regional one which was held at a tiny little school that was in New Kensington, I think, which is next to Plum down the road a little bit.

[Boston Conner]

That's where the Steelers ringer would go.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the guy who won, I guess the guy won from like 8 to 9, 10 to 11, 12 to 13. I was 14 at this time, I think. And the kid that won every year went to this one because there's only like four or five people competing at that. So, like, he knew the game. Then all of a sudden I show up to that thing.

[Darius Butler]

This kid's not supposed to be here.

[Pat McAfee]

Just bar certificate on this guy. What's his birth certificate. But that punt passing kick thing was literally built for like. That is all the skills that I have. Basically when it comes to football. I can throw the shit out of a ball, I can kick the shit out of a ball and I can punt the shit out of. And it just so happens to be that you can go to a Pittsburgh Steelers game if you're good at these three things. And me, Jason, Tim got a chance to go sit right on the fucking field of the Pittsburgh Steeler game. And then we got to go to a playoff game that the Pittsburgh Steelers were in just because they just so happened to be playing against the Tennessee Titans. So it was a hell of a run. Thank you. To punt, pass and kick people for putting that together. Hey, if you got a huge leg and a big arm, you can go watch NFL. You can go watch Steeler games. That was. You got it. We go and do that. So the Steelers know us is what we're saying.

[AQ Shipley]

I was reminded yesterday. Biggest Steelers fan I know, friend of mine, Kayna, she actually sent me a video that's going around. I guess I forgot. You shot a universe ball for them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Win the Super Bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

Super Bowl. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

So that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So the Steelers know us.

[AQ Shipley]

The song with all the boys singing the song.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

On by far. By far.

[Pat McAfee]

Just pissed off Tone so bad.

[Boston Conner]

So bad.

[Pat McAfee]

It was so bad right now.

[AQ Shipley]

Tone. Tone waffles from time to time. I know, I know, I know. Sometimes he goes to the players, sometimes he's with his. This is. She's Stillers through and through play Steelers.

[Pat McAfee]

Does she have a microphone to talk about it every single day?

[AQ Shipley]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

So we don't. No.

[AJ Hawk]

At the end of the day it's always the.

[Pat McAfee]

Anyways, we. We appreciate the Steelers. I think the Steelers understand who we are and they've offered up everybody basically in the building for the show. So I think guys are gonna just walk by too. It's like headset. We've had headset on. Cuz practice is starting at like 2:00'. Clock. So they have a walkthrough, I think that ends at noon and then they got practice at 2. So it's like it should be a really good setup is what we're saying. It should be a very cool day tomorrow for Pittsburgh Steelers fans, NFL fans and for us. This is wild that we get a chance to experience this. The last time I was at this was a little boy with my dad at Training camp. It's crazy.

[AJ Hawk]

Doesn't surprise me that a lot of people are coming through. I talked to someone in the building who said the excitement for tomorrow starts at the very, very top. And when that happens kind of resonates through the building. So that you know, everyone, everyone is very excited for tomorrow.

[Pat McAfee]

D Buch and I sat.

[Boston Conner]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah. About four down from the Rooney family at Mr. Ursay's funeral. We have no idea how we ended up in those rows. We are in the NFL owners rows.

[AQ Shipley]

Literally.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, literally.

[AJ Hawk]

They're predicting the future.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to the Cardinals, by the way.

[Boston Conner]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to the Cardinals.

[AQ Shipley]

Looking good.

[Pat McAfee]

Owner of the Cardinals, Bidwell. Great man.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Michael Pilot. Yeah, he's great man. He sat right here, right next to me at that funeral and got a chance to chit chat with him. Who's to my. Whatever it was. The Rooneys were a couple. Everybody was there basically and they were all incredibly nice to us. And the Arizona Cardinals guy was so nice. And we have had to say things about the Arizona Cardinals in the past, in their facility. Yeah, everything. Numerous times. I think he's. Boy, right?

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he. So I think he kind of understands what it is. The future of the Arizona Cardinals could be incredibly bright. The future of the Arizona Cardinals will have a voice on it. The future of the Arizona Cardinals, ladies and gentlemen, and bird gang will be led by none other than Moontineship, great Western Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League hall of Famer, super bowl champion. The man who somehow accomplished the feat of playing NFL offensive line with an arm length less than 30 inches. That doesn't mean anything else about any other parts of his body. Well, but we have seen his gut. We can assume some things. Yeah. Host of in the Trenches ladies and gentlemen. AQ Shipley, 29 and 27. 8. They just wouldn't give it to you, huh?

[Ty Schmidt]

What I lacked in arm length, I gained in other places. You see what I'm saying? I gained in head size, stomach size and other things, you know, Ass.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, ass size.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And you got those weird shoes you wear too. Those big fat shoes. You know, those Hoka things. Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

Size 8.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Forgot about that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you moved.

[Ty Schmidt]

Moved on. Moved on from Hokas. I'm on to Speedland. Remember the.

[Boston Conner]

The elf.

[Ty Schmidt]

The elf blood.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah.

[Peter Schrager]

Somehow found worse ones.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they are worse shoes. Yeah. Sorry to look at whoever created that. You did a great job. AQ loves them. They're the most comfortable thing he's ever worn. Yeah. I thought we were all I Thought.

[Boston Conner]

AQ was buying all of us.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought so too. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't want it. I'm happy then. I'm happy. My eyes don't got to see it every day. But Wednesdays, that's all I'm happy about. Let's make an announcement. You made an announcement yesterday. You are color common for the Arizona Cardinals this season. Congratulations. What does this mean? What does this mean? Have you always wanted to do color commentary? How experienced are you in this world? And how'd this all come together?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I've ever. That's been a dream of mine per se. But I mean, what I do on your show is essentially that for offensive line across the league. And now it's just calling it live at games just for the Arizona Cardinals, which will be really cool and it'll. It'll help me with the in the trenches segment. Obviously, I'll get a first hand look at the Arizona Cardinals boots on the ground at every game and.

[Pat McAfee]

Playing other teams. You're going to have to look into the other team.

[Ty Schmidt]

I get it. But I gotta, I gotta, I gotta be a voice to the Arizona Cardinals. I gotta kind of be the homer.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, okay. Here we go. Okay, so we lost a little bias or regained a little bias from aq. You also will be doing Wednesdays in the trenches, which we are excited about. So you're going to have a great football season this year. We're pumped for you. Congratulations. Coming off a great off season as well. Training guys. You know, he's been training guys. How many guys did you have this offseason at?

[Ty Schmidt]

13 NFL offensive linemen. Come out to the Phoenix area and get the, get the work in the shipyard. It's been awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

The shipyard is a lot of guys. 13 is a lot of dudes. Yeah. Especially because he doesn't have a facility. I mean, he's got a gym in his backyard. He doesn't flush the toilet.

[Darius Butler]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a nice backyard.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, very nice.

[Pat McAfee]

Got a trampoline in the ground.

[Darius Butler]

So cool.

[Pat McAfee]

So cool. You can do. You probably don't hit bottom anymore how thin you are. You probably used to really crash at great backyard, but you're training these guys now. You're a color commentator. You're hosting in the trenches. You're literally on a trophy. The trenchy. Everything's doing great for you, aq. All right, let's talk a little bit about football now. Let's talk about what's going on around the league. Philadelphia Eagles still the best offensive line of football. So we should look for them to repeat or is there another group that we should maybe be talking about and maybe giving a little bit more love to aq? No.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'm a big fan of the Philadelphia Eagles. I think they got a great offensive line coming back. I think Tampa had a really good offensive line. I think losing Worfs for a couple weeks is going to hurt them early on. When you lose your stalwart left tackle, I think that hurts a little bit. But, you know, you can look at the Buffalo Bills, they're going to have a really good group. You can look at the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think they're an up and coming.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a big question. That's a huge question.

[Ty Schmidt]

I like their group and I think continuity is a huge, huge, huge part of offensive line play. And when you get the same group of guys coming back, young guys to boot, probably spent the whole off season together. I'm getting videos from your boys and pictures from your boys showing me Mason McCormick and Zach Frazier riding everywhere together on the same golf cart. So, you know, I feel real good about this group. I like the groups they got. Baltimore Ravens got a great group. They got Voorhees coming back from injury, didn't really play a whole lot the last couple years. He was injured coming out of college. He didn't get to start last year. But I think he's going to provide some, some depth to that Baltimore Ravens group. So I think the Chargers got a good group. They paid their guy, obviously, Rashawn Slater and Joe Al, two of the best tackles in football. So there's some good groups. And then obviously there's going to be some other groups to kind of sneak into this. Who knows? I mean, maybe the Denver Broncos put together a nice group. I like their group on paper.

[Boston Conner]

So Washington with tons.

[Ty Schmidt]

Washington I like, I like Washington. I like Tonsil. I hate the fact that they lost Sam Cosby. He'll probably miss most of the year from the, from the playoff acl, but they should have a decent group as well. I mean, it's gonna, it's gonna be interesting. I actually like Arizona partners group. I think they've got one of the top 10 groups in the, in the, in the office.

[Pat McAfee]

Yesterday that we know that you think that with the Arizona Cardinals, until you don't do what the tweet said you'd do yesterday, which we completely understand, by the way, you're going to be on that plane. He's going to be on a plane. He's going to be flying on the. The Cardinals team. Planes.

[Darius Butler]

You know, that's.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what happens here after what he said. Huh? So you're going to hear a lot of complimenting of the. The Arizona Cardinals. If I had to guess, I would not want to walk in. Football coach is so smart. Oh my God. Geniuses. Yeah. You walk on that plane last night. Thing you want to do is like, well, all right, I'm going to sit right up here. Hey, hey.

[Darius Butler]

Kyler.

[Pat McAfee]

Kyler.

[Ty Schmidt]

Why does my credential not work anymore? Why is my credential not flashing green anymore?

[Pat McAfee]

Excited for you to be biased towards them. I bet you they are too. They finally get somebody.

[AJ Hawk]

I can't wait till he's on the team playing, he's watching film and he's walking back to coach.

[Jet Passan]

Hey, you see.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you should run this. We should run wolf. Fucking. We run a little bit. Look, he's good at this, I think. I think he knows what he wants to do. You got to keep your mouth shut on that plane. You're not. Remember, okay. The color commentator.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're right.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's not. Hey, let's not embarrass the program out there now.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're right.

[Pat McAfee]

If they also signed a consultant here. That's an interesting dilemma.

[Boston Conner]

I mean, we draw up a couple.

[Pat McAfee]

Blitzes, we got ideas too. So maybe we're coaching. All right, let's not. Once again, we don't need to mock the Cardinal.

[Ian Rapoport]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

No, that is what this is not about. You brought up Slater getting paid. There's another guy who got paid. Bernard Bennett.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, I saw that.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you think about Bernard here? Raymond, now I think there's a chance we have not looked this up. He is the first offensive lineman in the history of the NFL.

[Boston Conner]

I just thought of it.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[Boston Conner]

My lotto.

[Pat McAfee]

Does he wear?

[Boston Conner]

What? The guardian cap?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

I thought he had one on.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Jordan. My lotta.

[Boston Conner]

I thought he had the guardian cap or the. The already made. Different helmet. Whatever it's called.

[Pat McAfee]

Two different.

[AJ Hawk]

Very two different.

[AQ Shipley]

Melons.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. Trailblazer, smart guy. This is ground breaking.

[Boston Conner]

Oh, that's who it is. That guy from Pittsburgh who got signed. That.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[AJ Hawk]

Like James Daniels. He's not.

[Pat McAfee]

He's not on Steelers $100 million.

[Boston Conner]

I didn't say no one. Not that.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's get back to it. Did you know this guy? I think I've seen him play. I appreciate the fact that he moshed. Gigantic human being. Ballard loves him, obviously. All reports out of coach training camp. Anthony Richardson's playing football very well. Anthony Richardson prepared football, which makes us.

[AQ Shipley]

Well, you got the same source we are.

[Pat McAfee]

Believe ours. This guy had a guarding cap on, playing left tackle, got paid $100 million. I think that is something that you would never think about, you know, just in the entire offensive line space. But this is great news for offensive lineman that Raymond's getting $100 million. Right? Isn't this good?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's great news for offensive line. It should be a mandatory 10% discount if you. If you're a guardian cap helmet guy.

[Pat McAfee]

But he doesn't wear it all the time. He just saw the clip, he didn't have it on. He. I think he did it for his teammates.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay, that was, that was nice of him. But no, I mean, he's a good football player and he came out a couple years ago and this is what you love to see, right? You heard Howie Roseman's interview, you know, about sign, develop or whatever it was. Draft, develop, sign. And I think that's a. I think that's a key piece that a lot of teams, if you want to get good, that's what you have to do. You have to take care of your own. You look at the good teams that have done well, they draft their guys, they keep them, they sign them. It's not like, hey, we're going to constantly try and redefine our team through free agency. And when you reward a guy that maybe wasn't a first round pick, he gets drafted a little bit later, he kind of works his ass off, he climbs the ladder, becomes a starter, puts good stuff on tape, he's good in the locker room, and then you pay the shit out of him. I mean, this is exactly what you want to see. And this is good by the Colts. This is really. It's been a really good signing. They got a good group. They let some guys go in free agency, but building through their own is a good step.

[Pat McAfee]

Congrats, Bernard. We don't know if it's Bernard or that's how the boys have been saying. But nonetheless, happy they paid him. They must. They must really love him. And also Carly Kaylin, Casey. This is probably the first one, right? Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

First big deal that has had to kind of be like, yup. So they're investing in offensive line. I like that. I appreciate that. Future looks nice, especially with these highlights coming out of ar. If AR can take a hit this year. Year, which is possible if he, you know, can avoid and figure out how to run without getting like, absolutely clobbered every Single tackle.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like there's a chance he's a guy.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Everything that we have thought he could potentially be, we've seen on these highlights. So they got a tackle paid. Obviously we lose Ryan Kelly. We also lost Fries. Fries in there. So it's all kind of a. A mix match group. That new group, hopefully they're. They're off and running. We'd be excited to see it. Congrats to Bernard. Now let's talk about an offensive line group that got exposed on the biggest stage. Go ahead, D bud.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I saw, I saw Colts group. It didn't look that mixed match when I saw it, but good, good.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you talking about offensive line?

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, yeah. Good strong group.

[Boston Conner]

Two years in a row.

[AQ Shipley]

Powerful group.

[Pat McAfee]

But speaking of two, it is a Caucasian bunch.

[Darius Butler]

Certainly Ballard's got a type.

[AQ Shipley]

Big, big, solid.

[Darius Butler]

Ballard has a type.

[AQ Shipley]

Hey, I like it. But aq the Chiefs, I mean, it was all white.

[Pat McAfee]

They came out. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They came walking out of the white Walkers.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I think George Foster said I hadn't seen this in a long time. I think that's what George, one of the greatest fathers. What did he call it? One of the greatest followers on X. George Foster, former offensive lineman in the NFL. Black men haven't seen this in a long time. I mean, it was 25. The group paid Raymond. Yep.

[AQ Shipley]

And another guy that got paid. Guy you've been very, very high on. Trey Smith, you know, Creed Humphreys in the center as well. But that the outsider offensive line for the Chiefs. Are they going to be okay? That was their obviously a glaring weakness in the super bowl against the Eagles. Are the Chiefs O line going to make that step and be okay and be able to protect 15 this year?

[Ty Schmidt]

We've been saying the same narrative since 2020 when we played him in the super bowl when I was down in Tampa Bay. And it's been the tackles, it's been the bookends. Can we fix the tackle situation? Their interior 3 is as good as anybody right now. Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith, obviously they let Tuni walk, but they're moving the. The left tackle that got benched last year in the first game. They're moving him inside, giving him a try. I'm not even going to try and pronounce his name.

[AJ Hawk]

The kid from B. Kingsley.

[Ty Schmidt]

The one. Yeah, there it is. So, yeah, so, yeah. But the key to this thing is this. And I said this when we spoke after the draft. I thought they got a top ten.

[Pat McAfee]

Kid's name's Kingsley.

[Darius Butler]

Kingsley.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. Names and maybe the best English language. Sorry.

[Ty Schmidt]

The kid they got out of Ohio State. I said this after the draft, whenever you had me on the show, I said he was a top 10 pick. Josh Simmons, left tackle. The clips of him coming out is he is a top 10 pick if he doesn't get hurt Against Oregon last year, they get him with literally one of the last picks of it of the first round, and he is going to be their franchise left tackle for the next 10 to 12 years. And they got an absolute steal with him. The clips coming out of him. Here it is, look, he's just shutting guys down and he makes it look smooth. He's throwing guys like little dog. Yeah, he's got a little dog in him. I mean, he was arguably the best tackle in the draft before he gets hurt. He gets to go late to Kansas City in the first round. They got an absolute steal. It was an injury that a lot of teams were concerned with. But I mean, he's young, he's coming back. He looks fierce. He's smooth as can be. He's athletic, he's strong, he's got the size. This could be a key piece for the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Pat McAfee]

Modern technology, modern science, too, with all these injuries, let alone being young and everything like that. Being a dog and rehab, how we have everything set up nowadays. I think you see teams take those types of gambles a little bit more. He's completely healthy beginning of camp. I don't know how much, but, you know, yeah, they're probably projecting that. I assume at draft time he's going to be completely healthy by camp. Do you still know how to do it? Yeah. Deal. You talked about him very loudly. You're like, hey, the steal of the draft is this guy, this guy, this guy. And of course, who gets him fucking cheap. And it's an offensive lineman as opposed to being like a 4, 2 guy. The steal of the draft is somehow an offensive lineman. And who is it? Veach and Reed yet again. It's unbelievable how great teams continue to be great. Okay, now, speaking of tackles, I don't think he will be doing this ever in his career, but he's certainly becoming a trend. Go ahead, Tone.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, we talked about Kingsley moving inside for the Chiefs after he was drafted as a tackle out of byu. Evan Neal of the Giants is now moving into guard. Obviously, Makai Becton did it last year for the Eagles. Do you think this is a lot of teams copying what the Eagles did? Because the Eagles did it and because Statland did it. And how many how pissed do you think guards are going to be that everybody highly drafted tackle who doesn't work out is now going to get a chance at guard over top of them?

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, listen, it's a last resort move and that's what happens when you start.

[Pat McAfee]

To.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not play nearly as well as they think you're capable of obviously drafting you in the first round. The initial move is, hey, let's just move him to guard. It cracks me up. Whenever I was upstairs with every team, it's always like, hey, well if he's not working out a guard, we'll just move him into center. If he's not working on tackle, we're just moving to guard. It's like it doesn't always work that way. Listen, at the end of the day, Makai Beckton is mammoth human being and it just happened to be that he walked in to the Philadelphia Eagles with one of the best offensive line coaches with one of the best schemes and a scheme that fits where you don't have to do very much except just run off the football right when you are in his own scheme. I mean, you can run off the football and get your, get your body in the way of people and get your hands on people and you're 6, 6, 6, 7, 68 and £340 makes it look easy. But if you're in a system where it requires, hey, you're going to be one on one backside quite often in this pass scheme. And now all of a sudden you couldn't do an attack. Well, now we're moving you into guard. It may not work out the same way as it did for Becton as it will for Neal. He's been criticized heavily since he's got in there. This is a make or break time. Like he's got to make it work right now at guard or it's a wrap for him with the New York Giants.

[Pat McAfee]

If you get two six foot six guys, six, you know, whatever tackle size used to be first, what guard used to be versus what center used to be. If everybody's just going to be Goliath that can move, like we got to see that Jordan Mylotta guy at the Esprit and he can kick us. I mean, he's so athletic, fast. It's just like, it's outrageous. Like if he had to go into guard and be a pooling guard, he could figure it out if he had to do it. I assume there's going to be more athletic, bigger men as we continue to evolve here. If offensive lines are just going to Become six. Six straight. I mean, there already has been. I get Dallas Cowboys back in the day, I think used to be known for that, right? Yeah. Larry Allen, Raiders used to do that. The Eagles did that last year. Obviously Lane and Makai next to each other is just like outrageous.

[Boston Conner]

Linder Bomb aside, the Ravens were massive.

[Pat McAfee]

And it works like, hey, you win now, can you find all the guys that can fit in together? That's why the Philadelphia Eagles thing's so special, because it's like they're all goats and they're all. And they all just get along great and they all would do whatever the hell Stout tells them to do. Yeah, they're all paid and they're all paid. Yeah. And they got. And they got Saquon as the running back.

[Darius Butler]

It doesn't hurt.

[Pat McAfee]

And it's like, that's a good run. You can go, we can extend some careers around here. Yeah, we can move some bodies over here. Offensive line, most important position in all of sports. Offensive line, also most hand to hand combat in every single play. Go ahead, con man.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. IQ right now. Josh Simmons, you know, you just mentioned him being a mean cuss. He also threw a mean right hook that got caught on camera today during practice. Every year, the training camp, the pads come on and we get these sweet fights. I can't wait for joint practice season as well. But as an offensive lineman, how difficult is it not to fight every single play? And then how do you know when you. Your coach wants you to fight? To show a little fire?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't think your coach ever is sitting there condoning fighting because I think as long as your coach played, he understands how tiresome it is to get into a fight. That's what people don't realize if you're in the middle of training camp, like, D. But you know this, Pat. You know this. Like, you've seen every offensive lineman, they're just trying to make it to September. Like, hey, let's just, let's just get to September. And if we're sitting here and you know, we got a 30 play, call it period coming up. And it's basically full tilt. One verse, one scrimmage, and the play, the period before, it's a blitz, period. And this defensive tackle keeps putting his hand in your throat and all of a sudden you swipe it down, he throws a jab, and now you're in a full tail fight. I mean, you're seeing stars around your head for the next hour and you're. And you're sitting there cramping up and you're sitting there like, I think I'm gonna retire. I think I'm retire right now, you know, so. So whenever that happens, you hope the fight ends short so you can get back. But man, if it's a long one, I mean, there's been times where, I mean, my legs are dead. I'm trying to call time out. I'm trying to fake an injury to get out of this thing. Like, it is, it is the absolute worst thing because you get so tired, your legs get heavy, your arms get heavy, and you're already on jet lag. Because training camp, that's what it is. You get put on jet lag four days in. That's essentially what it is. You're sleep deprived. You're waking up for drug tests.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're going through two practices a day. And I know that, you know, one of them's a walkthrough, but it's still there. Long days, meetings, drag you all the way till 9 o' clock at night. You can't sleep because you lost a rep in one on one. And all night, that's all you're sitting there thinking about. Waking up at 2am, I'm waking up at 2am trying to figure out an excuse on how I, how, how I'm going to tell my coach what happened during that one on one. And I look like an. So all these things are combining during training camp, and then you get into a fight in day five or the second day of training camp, it's like, oh, it's gonna be a long day. It's gonna be a long day.

[Pat McAfee]

I appreciate the fact that I didn't get. I didn't have to do any of that. Sure. You know, that was involved.

[AQ Shipley]

No scuffle.

[Pat McAfee]

I did. I've been in, I've been in two training camp scuffles. They come over to our area. You know where we're standing, we're sitting, and it's just like a push, push, push, push. So that helmet goes on immediately and then it's, hey, you got to be.

[AQ Shipley]

On the defense side too.

[Pat McAfee]

And Vinnie was on the offensive.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

So we literally just faced each other. We made a mockery on it. We made quite a mockery out of the situation. But if you were to put on the film, when it came over to us, helmets went on and we were in the scrum, which you have to.

[AQ Shipley]

Be boys brought in.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a whole nother thing. If you watch film and the offensive line is getting in a fight and there's three offensive linemen that are not in with the offensive line, I think you could probably pick out who's probably not going to be part of that offensive line group. I think early in training camp you could probably figure out these three. Not probably going to be with the group. Like there's so much more that's going on in those fights as well. Obviously you're very tired, but the team is watching that too. The scouts, coaches, and the camera, they keep.

[AQ Shipley]

They keep the cameras rolling.

[Pat McAfee]

Roll it.

[AQ Shipley]

Keep it rolling. So yeah, it's better be in that frame. And like you said, some people are bullshitting just to be in there, just to be. But you better show up for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Have to show. Well, I learned that at West Virginia cuz people wanted to fight our team. Every warmups, it was just. It was. It felt like it. Maybe our team, you know, know, was a part of it as well. Dogs. Yeah, we had dog dogs through and through. The whole team was dogs. I think if you were to look back at it, I have to show face. That was my immediate first reaction. I didn't grow up in a football world, but little standoff happens. I think it was our dbs and I think it was probably, who knows, on the other team. And they're yelling and chirping and I'm within. I'm 10 yards away way. I'm doing my. Though I am currently warming up. Have to turn around, have to show face, have to yell. Then Rich Rod obviously does a full. Hey, don't be scared to get in there now. You know, with the whole talk about me, it's like, okay, I did the right thing. Okay. Yeah. I. I didn't know what the football world is, but, yeah, you always gotta show up for your teammate. Have to. Here's Josh.

[Ty Schmidt]

My favorite.

[Pat McAfee]

Go ahead.

[Ty Schmidt]

My favorite. My favorite thing is the O line coach in meetings, like afterwards, right. Like, he's obviously echoing the message from the head coach, right? So he's sitting there, he's like, all right, boys, we can't have fights. I like that you got stuck up for your teammate. I like this. Let's. Let's watch that clip back. They're like breaking it down. They're like, good job, Good over here. My man's grabbing for a helmet. Like, I mean, we are breaking this thing down like it's a UFC fight. It's pretty awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, the thing is the uppercut, seemingly the right play because it's up under there. But the paddle. Yeah, because you can catch. You can catch the pads there. So that's not as Easy. The helmet grab. Always the play for the losing participant. That is always who. Normally who's going first or it's first act of aggression straight to the helmet. Here we have Josh Simmons actually got into a fight. Here's Mark Palouse's video. He's filming it from his camera, I think. So. It's hard. We get. You'll see it, though. There's Josh finishing a play. Jab. Boom. What?

[Ty Schmidt]

I like.

[Pat McAfee]

What? What? And then guy grabs his helmet, takes it off. He's still in her. Where's the team?

[Ty Schmidt]

I like it.

[Pat McAfee]

Where's the team?

[Darius Butler]

Kind of by itself.

[Boston Conner]

A lot of white jersey.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't like that. I didn't like that. Now that that play might have gone.

[Peter Schrager]

I didn't like that either.

[Ty Schmidt]

But my man stood in there. He stood in the pocket like Ilia Toporia.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, he did. Like Ilya. Yes, he did. He. Max Holloway, that thing he said, we'll do it. It's right here on your guys side. Let's assume the offense is on complete opposite side of the field. Let's assume that he's on a complete opposite side of the field. Oh, and also, let's understand that this is very normal or they're trying to.

[AJ Hawk]

Get rookies a little too overzealous.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, and also, he's got a great.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, that was fat.

[Pat McAfee]

Powerful. He's worked on that. I think he's been in a. In a gym before, because the placement, too. That would have been. Yeah. Now with a helmet, not the greatest move, but he felt it. There's a rattle in there. All right, before we get out of here, final question. It's a good one going. Let's take you back to college. Go ahead, Ty.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Q. Listen, I know you are a Penn State Nittany line through and through. Okay. And I'm just curious. We heard James Franklin's comments. He basically said, hey, listen, if Notre Dame played in a conference and had to play blue bloods like Purdue like we do, then they, you know, they wouldn't have beat us in the Orange bowl, we would have went to the national championship. With that being said. Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

So.

[Darius Butler]

But with that being said, do you think. Because a lot of people think Penn State might be a national title, you know, contender this year, maybe gonna go. Do you agree with that? Do you think it's that Penn State has these. This murders, rather playing, you know, Auburn and Purdue and Louisiana Lafayette and West Virginia and teams like that? Or do you think that James Franklin's maybe out on an island a little bit here. But overall, how you feeling about the Nittany Line Lions going into this season?

[Ty Schmidt]

I think Notre Dame's schedule of yesteryear was a lot tougher. I mean, recently, they're playing Duke, they're playing Stanford. Stanford isn't what it used to be. They got one of the.

[Pat McAfee]

If they went to the acc, that's who they would be playing.

[Ty Schmidt]

They would. They need to come over to the Big Ten where we've made.

[Pat McAfee]

So James wants them in the Big Ten. That's what he wants.

[Ty Schmidt]

I think that's what it is. I think that's what it is.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a good way to recruit him.

[Boston Conner]

Great angle.

[Pat McAfee]

That is not a bad angle. I love what James is doing. Come on in.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. I'm sure he's signing up to play them every year.

[Pat McAfee]

James Franklin. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely not.

[Pat McAfee]

Can I give you my take on the Penn State Nittany lines? I think what happened at the end of that game against Notre Dame for Drew Aller was the best thing that could happen for Drew Aller. Okay. I think it's terrible for Penn Staters, obviously. Terrible, terrible for Drew Aller. Horrendous that that is on his resume, but I think that is a perspective putter for Drew Aller. All offseason, nobody's talked about him. We've talked about so many other quarterbacks. So many. Drew Aller, 6 foot 6. Drew out can throw the ball forever. Drew out can run. He's got moxie. He's an Ohio guy. And then he had, what? His worst thing of the season basically, was his last play. It's like that, I think motivation, perspective, chip on shoulder. I think Penn State still has all those things. And also I think you guys still have more money than anybody else in the country that you guys just signed the number one hockey guy. You guys signed the next Sidney Crosby, allegedly this fucking guy, to Penn State. What the other sports are in the finals.

[Boston Conner]

Hockey made a deep run. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

The rest, yeah. Wrestling, obviously.

[Pat McAfee]

The Penn State sports. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Women's volleyball is.

[Pat McAfee]

Are about to become lacrosse. I think everybody just needs to get ready that Penn State sports is gearing up to take over everything with the way they are constructed with CEOs and donors and boosters, and they're not just collectives. They're coming from actual people. They have companies that are spending this money. So I don't think, like, the commission is going to be able to cut them out of this whole thing. $700 million update to the stadium. 167 million in an off season. This Is money. They're just. We'll take this as well. We'll take. You donate 10 million, we'll let you in a speakeasy in the back door. 10 million is what it's going to take.

[Boston Conner]

Jim Knowles.

[Pat McAfee]

Jim Knowles from Ohio State comes out. I mean, just like coach, Penn State is all in on sports. I love that. I like that a lot. I assume you do as well. Do you think the football team. Because there's so many other schools that are all in as well, especially in the Big Ten. Do you think they're going to be able to do what they did last year and do you think they're going to be able to get even further?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's going to get real loud. If they don't. It's going to get real loud because they have spent all the money in the world to keep that roster intact, Right? They got their quarterback coming back. They've been able to keep both running backs. They go and poach Jim Knowles, they pay the defensive tackle. And all these guys were borderline pro guys, too. Like they could have gone into the draft as well, let alone gone to another school for more money. So they've done everything. They've gone all in on this. They've gone all in with everything at the university. My man Pat, draft is. Let's spend it. How much does it cost? Let's write the check for a dollar more, whatever it is, right? So he's doing everything he can to win. He's doing everything he can to put this program at the top and the upper echelon of college football and stop Penn State from being mentioned in. Okay, well, after the top four, after the top six, like, no, he wants to win this damn thing. And they got the group coming back. Obviously, we like the quarterback. You love that. That play happened for Drew Aller. I didn't love it, but I also love the fact.

[Pat McAfee]

I know you didn't love it, but I'm just saying mindset as somebody got death threats at the end of a season, you know, at the end of a football season. My junior year, like, all off season, it was like I've done nothing. I think I was all American already. Two positions. I mean, it was just like. But that was just like you are nothing in this entire world. Especially with what people that are supposed to be on your side are saying to you. Like, people think you have done nothing for us because you missed that. Like, for him, I assume the shit has been loud, loud at him. And I think that's good. If he's A dog. Like, I think that's a good thing if he's a dog. C.J. stroud talked about it at Ohio State.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

About how he had a terrible time and he got murdered. And it was like. That actually, like, created him. I think that, like, kind of calloused him a little bit for what life is. Nobody wants that road. Everybody wants to win national championship. Everybody wants to be perfect, do that whole thing. But sometimes, like, the worst thing can come at a time that can really make you your best you, if that makes sense.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I agree. And I've known you for the better part of almost 20 years now at this point. I know you have that mentality. I think I have that mentality.

[Pat McAfee]

Like.

[Ty Schmidt]

Like whenever your back's against the wall, like, that's when your best comes out. That's me, too. Not everybody's built that way. So I'm curious to see is Drew, how he responds. If Drew is that guy. Right. Like, this is a big moment for him. Because every scout in America has your same sentiment. Right. Every GM has your same sentiment. So can he be that guy? Will he be that dog? Whenever. Now your back's against the wall. Whenever It's a two minute drill and the game's on the line and you're down and you need a score and you need a play this year. Can you make that play? Because the guys at the next level, the guys that everyone's talking about, Mahomes, C.J. shroud. Right. Like, all these guys with that mentality, they make that play at the next level on the biggest stage, on the biggest moment, in front of millions and millions of fans.

[Pat McAfee]

Hopefully you guys are able to do it this year for Penn State. I'd be happy for you, man. And I also hope that Pat Kraft gets rewarded, the athletic director up there for all the fundraiser. That's what athletic directors jobs are now, your fundraisers, obviously, vision and everything. But you're fundraising. 164.9 million, I believe is what was reported. 164.9 million from 20,000 donors. Okay. 20,000 different donors. They have the most CEOs out of any school in the country.

[Darius Butler]

Gotta win.

[Pat McAfee]

So they just got thousands of CEOs that are getting paid so much money, it's like, yeah, James Franklin, gotta win. Yeah. Cause Pat Craft in that team are gonna. He's doing.

[Darius Butler]

He's doing his job.

[Pat McAfee]

They're gonna be there.

[AQ Shipley]

Does he have to win?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I think so. AQ would be. I mean, he's never won before, so I guess it's like, you know, what's.

[Boston Conner]

His record against top five teams or whatever.

[Pat McAfee]

That's. Ladies and gentlemen, this man is color comic. I like James Frank. Remember, he was good, too.

[Darius Butler]

He didn't know what was on his burger.

[Pat McAfee]

That's because it was a turkey burger. He said, I like, like meat. I don't like turkey burger. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Why has he got turkey burger?

[Pat McAfee]

Because I think it's good for a community. I think, you know, because there's a farm right there. Sure.

[Darius Butler]

Locally sourced.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Farm to tables.

[Boston Conner]

Didn't make that fan a speed bump, though, after he yelled at him.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, he was gonna fight a fan. He's a little far. He's a little fire. I mean, that's James Franklin football.

[Boston Conner]

That's true.

[Pat McAfee]

He was just talking to Notre Dame, tell him come Big ten like that. James Franklin, you know. But now he has all of everything that everybody else has had that he's been competing against, I think is what he would say. And now let's see what he does with it. All right. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, Shipley. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has covered a sport for us over the last few years that has kept us interested in a sport that we should have been loving all along. Obviously, the MLB is taking. I'm sorry. I saw a lot of baseball people get mad that I say the mlb. Am I just supposed to pay? Mlb. Mlb, obviously. Mlb.

[Boston Conner]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I'm never going to do that.

[Darius Butler]

It's Major League Baseball. You wouldn't say the Major League Baseball.

[Pat McAfee]

I get it. But it's like the league.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, you say it for every.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, but that makes sense. The National Football League, the National Basketball association, the Major League Baseball.

[Pat McAfee]

Sounds stupid.

[Darius Butler]

It does.

[Pat McAfee]

But that's. But hey, I'm gonna say a lot.

[Darius Butler]

Of people do that, you know, you don't have to.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, the baseball people have attacked pretty hard.

[Darius Butler]

I know. I get it.

[Pat McAfee]

Because there's man for giving an answer and they're the. The one comment, the biggest comment said he's talking to a guy that said the mlb. This should. None of this should count. It's like, God damn. Ladies and gentlemen, why didn't you tell me Jet pass. Why did you tell me Jack. And the green screen ain't working. I see it's green. Jesus. Dude. Dude. I have wanted to say to you for so long. Yeah. It's not the ML. I know. I'm sure you have right back there. I got murdered. I got absolute murder just trying to do it. Kill that. The Baseball.

[Ty Schmidt]

You know what?

[Pat McAfee]

I.

[Jet Passan]

Listen, I appreciate the fact that you acknowledged it, too, because you're right, if we're talking syntactically here, the Major League Baseball, it just doesn't work. But listen, as long as you care, I don't care if you call it mlb, the mlb, just baseball, whatever you want to call it, as long as you like baseball. That is what matters.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay? I am turning into a baseball lover, so I think that's a good thing. Now, I will say, I love that. Football highlights all over the place. And distracted. There is a. I'm running. I'm a dog running. And all of a sudden, there's barbecue here. And baseball, baseball, baseball is fun. Geno Smith just threw a dime to a guy named Dante. He said it was the darts. It was only one. Okay. All right, then we're back here. So baseball, football, right now, kind of colliding, and I think it will continue for the rest of baseball season. But let's talk about the baseball's future, shall we? Because I do care about baseball, and I'm getting into baseball. And is it the bad. Is it a bad time to get into the baseball? Hey, this Bryce Harper stuff with Rob Manfred, Interesting. Then the conversations that I was having with people whenever we were lucky enough to be at the Home Run Derby, both players and other folks, it's like, hey, this CBA thing's a real problem. When is this? And baseball can't shoot itself in the foot right now. It feels like everything's going in a great direction. Do you agree?

[Jet Passan]

I would like to believe that that's the case, Pat, because the collective bargaining agreement doesn't expire until December 1, 2026. So we got like, another full year plus before it even becomes an issue. And labor or a lockout potentially is in play. But where it's at right now isn't great. And I think the confrontation between Bryce Harper and Rob Manford really illustrates the two parties that we have going on here. On one side, you've got owners, and the owners, both publicly, but particularly privately, have been talking about implementing a salary cap. There is a salary cap in the NFL, in the NBA, in the NHL. Why does Major League Baseball not have one? And the players, on the other hand, are like, you know what? And Bryce Harper, I think, believes this, too. Generations of players before the ones who are playing right now fought specifically to avoid getting a salary cap so you could have as free of a market as possible. And so the. The people who play this sport can be paid what they deserve. And that there's no limitations on it. There's no constrictions on salary, on length, on anything like that. If a guy is phenomenal and he's out there in free agency, he can get 15 years in $765 million like Juan Soto did. And so you have these two sides that have completely conflicting opinions. And beyond that, Pat, you have a history here. It's been since the 1970s that owners have been pushing for a salary cap in MLB. They lost the World Series in 1994 because players went on strike to avoid having a salary cap. So there's a deep history here, and you're seeing a lot of the same arguments, you're seeing a lot of the same points. But I would like to believe that at the end of the day, everybody involved understands. Yeah, I mean, everybody involved needs to understand that you cannot lose a season. You absolutely cannot lose a season, because baseball isn't a good place right now. Baseball has people like you who they're bringing in and who are actually watching the game and seeing it and being like, hey, like, turns out baseball's good.

[Pat McAfee]

Cool sport. But a lot of games. Yeah, cool sport. They've got.

[Jet Passan]

They've got a long way to go and a large gap to bridge before they get to the point where I think the sides are going to agree on something. And I just hope the 2027 season is not the casualty to get there.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, A couple of years from now, let's assume that leverage is being flexed by both sides right now and that a good negotiation will take place and collective bargaining will happen, and we'll continue to have great. Great's playing great baseball, which is great for baseball right now. But I will say Bryce Harper walking right up to the commissioner's face saying, get the out of here, dog. Love it. Absolutely. The boys. I. I know there's some Spanish speakers in there that don't understand a lot of English, so maybe somebody had to translate to them what was happening there. That's what I learned at the home. Oh, no, nobody.

[Jet Passan]

Nobody needed to translate what was happening. When Bryce Harper's holding a bat and walks up to the commissioner and says, if you want to talk about a salary cap, you can. Exactly what you said right there. Yeah, it's. And here's the thing. Manford went right back at him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Jet Passan]

Like, Rob Manford dropped an F bomb at him, too.

[Pat McAfee]

This is my club.

[Boston Conner]

You shut the up.

[Pat McAfee]

How about this? Give me a bet. Give me a bet about that. Nobody gives him a bet. I need a bet. That Would be. Oh, man, what a moment. That's baseball, baby. Okay. All right.

[Jet Passan]

You know, Pat, you know what that is, though? This is the first shot in the war.

[Boston Conner]

He takes all their bats.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't get a bat.

[Boston Conner]

He takes all of them. They can't play anymore.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what that looks like? That's not regulation.

[Darius Butler]

This is mine.

[Pat McAfee]

This is mine. That's mine. Hey, let's send them all the big seamed baseballs to this team. Where are your baseballs? Okay, we only got three minutes. We only got three minutes to hard out. There's other things happening in baseball that are also. Sorry, baseball. Not great for baseball. Go ahead, Ty.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Jet. What is going on with the Emmanuel Classe situation? Obviously, he's like one of the big targets this year around the trade deadline, but now there's the gambling investigation. He's been placed on leave. So what's going on there? Is this an issue because we've only. All these guys are from the Guardians and also not just him. Eugenio Suarez got hit in the hand the other day. A lot of people were nervous he might have broken it. How does that impact his trade value? And what's going to happen? Just quickly, what's going on with those two guys?

[Pat McAfee]

Two minutes.

[Jet Passan]

Oh, I can do this easy. No broken finger for Eugenio Suarez. When you have hand issues, it can really SAP your power. But I don't think teams are concerned at this point because there is no break there. He's going to be fine. He's going to get a haul. The Diamondbacks are going to do great. In terms of Emmanuel Classe in things are not quite as great because when you see multiple teams guy or multiple players from the same team, you worry like, oh, God, could this be another situation like the Black Sox where everybody is involved in something now? It was interesting to see the Guardians put out a statement yesterday saying that it is expected that these will be the only two players who are involved in it. Major League Baseball continues to do its investigation right now, and the Guardians are not going to say that if MLB doesn't give them sense that they haven't found anything yet. And yet we also know that these sorts of things tend to have different layers to them. So I'm not going to sit here and say the Guardians are in the clear at this point. I hope as a baseball fan and for the sake of Major League Baseball that that is the case. But, Pat, like, let's be honest about this. When you have micro bets that exist, when you can bet on something like, is this going to be a ball or is this going to be a strike? You are running the risk of having a 1200 player population that is not all going to be immune to chasing the money regardless of how much they make. And so Major League Baseball, you know, however much it works with betting integrity firms absolutely needs to be be pushing for the elimination of those sorts of bets.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And are they going to check into umpires at all? Did you see this? I saw this. Codify. Hey, no ball.

[Boston Conner]

Excuse me.

[Pat McAfee]

What? That hap. That not great. Excuse me, but you just talked about micro betting and everything like that. It's like I don't want to say, hey, that's obnoxious, but that is right? As somebody that doesn't really.

[Ty Schmidt]

No.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, without a doubt. I'd guess he probably apologized not too long after that.

[Jet Passan]

Yeah, sometimes guys miss stuff.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's.

[AJ Hawk]

That happens sometimes.

[Pat McAfee]

That is what.

[Jet Passan]

That is what the ABS Challenge system is going to be for. That's why robot umpires are necessary. Period.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, we appreciate the hell out of you. Obviously gambling 182 games. How many pitches what you can do a baseball, it is ripe for the picking. Hopefully it doesn't continue to be a thing.

[Darius Butler]

Jet, can class A still be traded or no? Like does this affect that?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think anyone's going to be trading for him.

[Darius Butler]

I figured.

[Pat McAfee]

But how many games? How many games?

[Jet Passan]

162 in a season.

[Pat McAfee]

I gave an extra 20. I wish. Yes, well, playoffs baseball fan. Baseball, baby. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Pastor. Thank you, buddy. I didn't like the condescending big baseball fan. Okay, Jay, you're part of the problem. Gatorade is the number one proven electrolyte blend designed to hydrate better than water so you can lose more sweat and raise your game. Gatorade is it in you? Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Now I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited Premium Wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a [e-mail] Switch upfront payment of $45 for three month plan equivalent to 15 per month required new customer offer for first three months only. Speed slow after 35 gigabytes of networks busy. Taxes and fees extra. See mintmobile.com football it's happening all around us and we're incredibly lucky that we get a chance to Chit chat about it. From now all the way until February when the next super bowl was played. We watched have football every single week until then. And for that we celebrate. Hell yeah.

[Boston Conner]

Come on now.

[Pat McAfee]

There were spring football leagues that obviously we all watched and Fisher Freight were doing their thing. And football is certainly going to always be great no matter what style of football it is. But NFL football being back and college football being right around the corner is just a beautiful thing. You know, whenever you wake up and think to yourself, I'm just a few weeks away from a Saturday morning, 6am alarm, wake up. Little coffee, little scroll through the Internet, walk onto a stage, a few thousand, hopefully students behind us and kicking off a full slate of college football. Oh, man. Chilling. What is that full slate of college football, though. Oh, Ohio State and Texas is the first. Yep. We're just a few weeks away.

[Boston Conner]

And that's not the only game.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no. Whole day. Yeah. Packed all the way until the 10 o'. Clocker. Yeah. Boom. 11 o'. Clocker. Sorry. We got football right around the corner. Anything about the NFL hall of Fame game?

[Darius Butler]

Two days, no big deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Hall of Fame games on Thursday. We will be there. Chargers, Lions will be. I don't know if we'll be at the game. Supposed to rain.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

So we will judge with the rain. We'll be at King, we'll be at camp. Now, if it's just going to storm all afternoon, gotta get out. There's a chance we might not make it to the game. Plan is, as of this moment, tomorrow, St. Vincent College University. Yeah. Thursday, Canton Pro Football hall of Fame. Right off the highway there. Easy to get to. Yep, easy to get to. Right off the highway there. You kind of see it. Yeah. Can certainly hear it. Without the gain down.

[Boston Conner]

Let's turn the gain down.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, we found out this morning that we will be right next to a highway which. Classic. Middle of America. Yeah, that's how it works. You got to get from one place to another here. That's how it goes. So we'll be next to the highway, but we obviously want to give everything that we possibly can to the wonderful folks at the Pro Football hall of Fame. We'll get a chance to chit chat with the entire class of this year. In the first hour, they'll be stopping by. I cannot wait to learn more about their story. Cannot wait to learn more about the hall of Fame and cannot wait for the Chargers and the Lions to officially kick off NFL football for the year, even though the game's going to be shite. We still love the fact that football's happening.

[AJ Hawk]

The show is going to be awesome. The game will probably be awesome, but if I have to miss DJ Uyungelay versus Kyle Allen because it's rain, I'm.

[Pat McAfee]

Going to be pissed. So we'll be there. We'll stay for it.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay, well, I'll drive home. You guys go ahead.

[Boston Conner]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

Done deal.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, so that is an option. So I'm not. I'm not going to say I'm going to go home, but I do. I will not feel bad now if I go home. And because you will drive home, we will all view it the same way, right? Yeah. Tone will have his own rental.

[Darius Butler]

Yep. So if we got to get out of there if we have to, he's.

[Pat McAfee]

Gonna be all right. Tone's okay.

[AQ Shipley]

Can I watch this on NFL Premium?

[AJ Hawk]

Plus it's on NBC, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. NBC, I think, is sending. From our understanding. NBC is doing. I mean, they are. NBC's treating us like.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it's like a Sunday night Football.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You could definitely still watch NFL Premium plus Premium brought to you by NFL Premium.

[Pat McAfee]

And who owns that? Does ESPN own? Does anybody know anything about that? Mentioned it to Schrager the other day, and Schrager was like, right, didn't he? Yeah, basically. Because as I was looking at him, as I was saying, he. He felt like he knew more than we did about the whole situation, because all we do is see, like, a tweet from some rack that's like, hey, there's a chance that ESPN's gonna buy NFL Network or whatever ESPN? Is that happening? Do we know? Does anybody know if that's happening?

[Boston Conner]

No idea. It's like a live golf, PGA situation.

[Pat McAfee]

So because our show is licensed through ESPN and technically in ESPN world, we should get free subscription, right. To NFL plus Premium without it. That happens.

[Darius Butler]

Without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

We should be working for that. And we should also get something we can give out.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Don't you think?

[Pat McAfee]

Especially if we should be able to hand these out to the people that watch. Wait a second.

[AJ Hawk]

You guys get. Getting free subscriptions like Disney + ESPN+ that I'm missing out on or.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah, good point. No, no, no, no. We are not paying out of pocket for those.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's worth it, though, actually. Yeah, for sure. Without Moana, too. MacKenzie loves seeing the lion sky meets Nemo. Yeah, all of it over there. I'm watching these Disney movies for the first time, dude.

[Boston Conner]

Not bad. What's your favorite so far?

[Pat McAfee]

Moana is really stolen. The day I'LL be honest. Just strictly because, you know, Big O is in there doing his stuff.

[AJ Hawk]

I think you really like Luca. I watched it last night.

[Pat McAfee]

It's real good.

[Boston Conner]

Luca sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

Very thin right now. It is in Italy.

[Boston Conner]

It sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

Luca, very, very thin right now.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, he is. He was on the Yankees broadcast last night.

[Pat McAfee]

How was he?

[Darius Butler]

He was pretty good, actually. I was expecting him to not say anything. He stayed for, like, two innings and was kind of just having a good time. It was pretty sweet.

[Pat McAfee]

Saw him take a picture with Aaron Judge. Crazy how tall they both are.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, that picture just makes the them both look like they're like 5' 11. That is not the case. That was at a high altitude. He had sunglasses on. Super trim.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Like, incredibly slim. Looks like he's lost £100.

[Pat McAfee]

And I saw LeBron work. He looks unbelievable. He looks like just. I mean, he's 6 foot 6 or whatever it is. Unbelievably tall. How tall is Aaron Judge?

[Darius Butler]

Aaron Judge, like 68.

[Pat McAfee]

So I think Luca was a little bit shorter.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, Luka's like six, six, six, seven, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He looks unbelievable. Is he still going to be able to do his.

[AQ Shipley]

Yes.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, they'll be great.

[Pat McAfee]

Absolutely. I don't know. I. I was always worried if I lost my fat, that wouldn't be able to hit the ball as far. There's a chance that Luca wonders if he can still do his.

[AQ Shipley]

You think he be moving too fast now?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, because he was.

[Pat McAfee]

His thing is molasses. Like, is that his thing? Everybody going and he's still on his. His second step and you're gone.

[AQ Shipley]

He'll figure it out.

[Pat McAfee]

He might have too much quick twitch. Luca might be too in shape. Is anybody else saying that?

[Darius Butler]

Oh, I can't wait for them to kill him for that. Oh, Fo lost way too much weight. Now he stinks.

[Pat McAfee]

Now he's getting bodied around. I can't wait for the full thing. Luca, you look great. We're proud of you. Speaking of looking great, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man is going through a midlife crisis with his hair and we think everything else. He's a college football national champion, but super bowl champion, Ryder cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. hall. A.J. i just want to let you know four people independently texted me last night. Okay. Different parts of country.

[Ian Rapoport]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. All of them said the same thing, different phrasing, different eras. These people all came from different ones. So the way they said things was certainly different. They said that it is very much a yarmulke on top of your head. That's basically what everybody has said four different parts of the country. And then you could add in. My wife. She didn't text me, obviously. She just told me, is AJ Wearing one of those? The Jewish. I say yarmulke. She goes, he wear one of those. It looks like he's wearing. Yeah, looks like he's wearing a yarmulke. Yeah. And I go, you're not the only person. I said. I showed the text. This guy's in California training camp. Camp. This guy's on the east coast of training camp. Wow. This guy's in Florida at training camp. And this guy lives in Arizona, and now he's a color commentator. So everybody's saying it. I just want to let you know. I don't know if it's a lighting. I think it might be. And also, shalom. Shalom, bro. Okay. Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

I mean, it's not a yarmulke. I do understand. I'm growing out, trying to grow the sides out, and that's. It's going to be weird for a long time. I would just imagine right now, I don't have any plans, but I. I'm trying to grow the sides out the top. Who knows? Like, that's the thing. Like, tell those people I appreciate them consuming the product. Thank you very much for watching.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell, yeah. Hey, anything. Anything. Start a little attention. I like that. Keep doing the yarmulke haircut. Keep doing it.

[Ian Rapoport]

I will.

[Pat McAfee]

That's good for the program.

[Darius Butler]

It is.

[Ian Rapoport]

There's no. There's no plans in sight, so, yeah, we're sticking with whatever we're doing.

[Pat McAfee]

It's got the people buzzing. I'm excited for the end result. I don't know what. No one knows what it's going to.

[Ian Rapoport]

Be, but I'm excited for the end result either.

[Pat McAfee]

We saw it yesterday. Yeah, we know what the end result is.

[Ty Schmidt]

Very exciting.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we've. We've grew up with, like, 50 people that all had this ratty, great flow. That's where you're headed, aj. You want a little axle? No, Daddy can still let the hair flow. Is that what we're doing?

[Ian Rapoport]

I don't think. I don't think that's in the plan, but like I said, there is no plan, so who knows? I never say never.

[Pat McAfee]

So for now, we do the yarmulke until we get this. This is what we're looking for. Oh, that's perfect.

[Ian Rapoport]

It's not that long there either.

[Pat McAfee]

The thing that I love about it is you clearly never Got it like. Like layered. Never got it, like, trimmed.

[Ty Schmidt]

Never got it.

[Ian Rapoport]

I trimmed my. Trimmed it myself sometimes, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

Like, I didn't have any professional help, that's for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's just one length of. Just all sitting there like a waterfall. I learned after I cut my hair because. Same thing, my hair was just all the same length. Like you needed to cut. Like we're trying to tell you.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, hey, they. They can. They can cut this to make it not look like it is just a. You know, so maybe you do that.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe JC was here, huh? Jc?

[Boston Conner]

I almost sat down, and then I was like, you know what? I don't. I don't feel it in my bones today. You know, to get rid of the hair just yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Sometimes you gotta feel it.

[Boston Conner]

You gotta feel it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Aj, wherever you go with your hair, know that we will support you. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that we have supported since the beginning. Back whenever he was wearing a headset in the booth.

[Darius Butler]

That's right.

[Boston Conner]

Remember, even farther back.

[AQ Shipley]

Back you can go all the way.

[Boston Conner]

Back to when he's a scout for New England.

[Pat McAfee]

You sport the out of you.

[AJ Hawk]

Amen.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, they got this Italian guy, huge brain, all these do your job documentaries. They got this paisan walking in here like, this guy's. This guy's a guy.

[AQ Shipley]

He supported me, threw it. Threw at my pro day.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow.

[AQ Shipley]

Boom.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Him and Bill B.

[Pat McAfee]

So he was working whenever we came out of college. Yep. Yeah. I don't think he put me on any list. Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Houston Tech Texans, Paisano Nicosaria. Yeah. Unbelievable.

[Peter Schrager]

All true. All true. Did DB's work out? And back in the day, I had a horrible haircut. I know you guys were just talking about haircuts, but I had a horrible haircut, so I kind of cleaned it up a little bit, so it was kind of long, kind of puffy. So I try to get it cut once a week, so I can't stand. I, like. I just showed AJ's picture. I've never had hair like that, so it wasn't quite that long.

[Pat McAfee]

I tell you what, you want a Super bowl, why don't you go ahead and do that? Why don't you go ahead and let that thing just kind of flow there? All the most important photos of your life. Just terrible, long, disgusting hair. I think you should sign up for that. I think you should think, No, I.

[Peter Schrager]

I cut my hair once. I was going bald. I cut my. I cut my own hair. So Actually, one summer I was cutting my hair, the attachment fell off, so I had a. I didn't have a choice, so I just shaved it.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. And that man is now a general manager, NFL. And he will cut his own hair so he doesn't have to pay somebody else to do it. He's been a great businessman, seemingly since jump there in Houston. Feels like you had a massive off season, Let go of a couple studs, brought in, some new folks, traded out of the first round. Feels like you've been very active, but nobody's been talking about it. How do you feel about your off season? And how do you feel about being completely under the radar yet again? Like it was a couple years ago, almost. Yeah.

[Peter Schrager]

No, appreciate you saying that. You know, we feel like we've made some progress here in the off season. I think when you look at the entire AFC south, quite frankly, they've all improved. And Jacksonville's improved, Tennessee's improve, Indianapolis has improved.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you.

[Peter Schrager]

They just extended Raymond there, you know, yesterday or whatever it was. So, I mean, I think the off season, the one thing that's consistent or one thing that is constant is change. So we understand there's going to be turnover with our roster each year, so. So what we try to do is just kind of take inventory of where we are, try to make good, smart decisions, bring people in that we feel fit our program on a lot of different levels, both personally and then on the field as well. And this is what training camp is about, to try to sort through what we have on the roster, create some competition, try to create as much depth as possible. So at least give ourselves an opportunity each week to be competitive with the rest of the teams, not only in AFC south, but, you know, the rest of the AFC as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about CJ Stroud a little bit. Obviously, his rookie season, his record breaking, and then injuries everywhere. I think around the team. You guys would obviously not make any excuses, but sophomore season, not as great or prolific as obviously, the magical rookie season. What do you expect from him? What did you see from him in the offseason? If I recall, everything CJ Stroud has ever done is, like, perfect for being the starting quarterback for an NFL team. Has that continued this offseason or what have you seen at him from early in camp?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, no, he's had a good off season. I think he's had a good, I would say, spring of work. He's very committed. Kind of started his off season February, March, he was around here, and then he did some Throwing sessions over the summer. I think the big thing that we're trying to focus on as a team is just consistency. When you look back at last season, you know, it started well, five and one, and then we were just kind of up and down. And you know, offensively it was probably a microcosm for the rest of the team. So I think the big thing is just trying to make improvement, trying to work on one or two things that you feel are going to make you a better football player. CJ has worked really hard. He's gained a lot of strength.

[Pat McAfee]

Strength.

[Peter Schrager]

He's gained a lot of lower body strength. And I think the big thing with the transition offensively is just trying to get an understanding of what we're trying to do on a day to day basis. So that's where we are. And you know, he's embraced that. So we've had some change. But, you know, I think we're just trying to work collectively, try to get to a point where everybody's comfortable so that we're ready to go. That first Sunday against the Rams.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you're always going to be ready down there, especially with the Miko's head coach. Your defense just punishes people seemingly every preseason season. This is just what we see as a defense flying around CJ Stroud being a guy, the moves you made on offense, how your defense is seemingly always going to be. Houston Texans, way too Good. Go ahead, AJ. Need to be worse down there. Go ahead, AJ.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, Nick, speaking of CJ's, I know you guys brought in CJ, Gardner, Johnson, obviously on the back end there for your defense. Can you talk a little bit about what he brings to the defense? We know, like the competitive atmosphere that is always around this dude and how he competes and goes after the ball. Like, what does he mean to that defense and what's he going to bring really to that team?

[Peter Schrager]

No, you articulated it very well, aj. I mean, you've seen that in the spring work and then here in training camp. CJ is a very instinctive, very aware football player. Like, you don't have that much production on the ball without having a good understanding of not only your scheme and what the offense is trying to do as well. The ball seems to find him, but that means you put yourself in a position to make plays. So he's had a good attitude, he's had good energy. Honestly, he's kind of blended with the rest of the group. You know, we feel that's a pretty decent group back there in the secondary. We've got A number of good young players. And CJ brings a certain level of experience to that group. So excited to work with him, but he's had a good attitude. He's an excitable guy. He's a fun guy to be around.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Peter Schrager]

He loves football, he loves to compete. And you see that on a field on a day to day basis.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And he'll get four or five people this year, throw a punch 15 yards, go ahead and make this thing second and 25, which, hey, if he's on your team, which I think your team loves those types of players. That's a good culture. I think he fits perfectly with you guys. You know, you talked about your back end as a whole. Not just cj, gj, one of your guys actually made it into Darius Butler's sophomore superstar everything. Db, sophomore superstars group here is a loaded class, you know, top hundred across the board. Go ahead.

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely. AJ just asked you about bringing in cj, gj, but you got some studs. They're already Petri Stingley, Pace Stingley, who I think is one of the top, you know, probably two corners in the league and some other weapons. How have they gelled as a group so far early in this camp?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, by the way, db, that's a really good list you have there. Those are all good football players.

[Pat McAfee]

I have everything. Hey, that's what you saw when you were throwing at his pro day.

[Peter Schrager]

You know what you're talking about. But as far as I. Our group, it's. It's an interesting group. They're highly, highly competitive. They're very, very salty. And they really don't say a lot. They just kind of show up and work. Petrie's that way, Lassiter is that way for sure. I don't think Stingley has said, you know, 15 words since he's been here as a rookie, but they kind of let their play do the talking, which you like to see. Bullock is kind of the same way, and Bullock's got a little bit of personality, but they're all kind of younger players. And when you add CD to that mix, you know, it's just kind of an interesting group that we've kind of pieced together. You know, Jimmie Ward is still on the team and on a roster, has a lot of experience. Jimmy's hurt right now. I know he's dealing with, you know, a situation personally as well, but it's a, you know, a pretty good blend of some younger players that we feel continue to ascend and then some experienced players. So ultimately the big thing Defensively is just trying to take the ball away, trying to prevent big plays and then just getting the ball with reckless abandon because that's what d' Amico preached to the defense and we have a lot of guys that fit that profile.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it feels like you should get good in the back end because I don't know if you're seeing the clips coming out of Indianapolis India. I don't know if you're seeing them. Nick.

[AQ Shipley]

Nick's not a believer.

[Pat McAfee]

He's the guy. He's become the guy it appears that we all thought he could potentially be. Do you watch what's happening in other training camps? Like I do? Like we're watching these highlights. Just like going like we are, it's a problem. I don't think it's a healthy thing. We're seeing high like not only Colts and Nick, look out for that down there in lot high south, down there in Houston. Okay, you need to watch out for that. But do you watch what's going on in other camps right now? Because obviously there's going to be a lot of turnover from other. Like how do you balance that during training camp?

[Peter Schrager]

For sure, you're kind of looking at everything. I mean, we don't necessarily get to see what's going on in training camp. Like I said, like I talked about a little bit earlier, like, like the whole AFC south has improved. So I think what we have to do is kind of focus on our team, our improvement, try to get a good foundation in place and then get ourselves ready to go for those opponents when it's appropriate. But have a lot of respect for the teams in our division. Not surprising. Anthony's playing well. Anthony's a very talented player. But we have, I would say we're reading what's going on. So you kind of have a lay of the land of maybe what players are doing well, what players are standing out, what players potentially could be available. But as far as video on that, we're not going to really see anything until the preseason games start and then you're seeing it more on a personnel basis. Not so much schematically, but like I said, we have to focus on our improvement because we understand the challenges that are in front of us in, in our division. And like I said earlier, every team has gotten better. So this league is about showing up each week, being consistent and having respect for your opponent. That's the way we approach it. And then try to focus on the Texans and just being the best version of ourselves on a week to week basis.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll start texting you the Cliff sh. Coltskin. You need to get eyes on these at night when you're sleeping. So you're not. No, no, no.

[AQ Shipley]

Don't take.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, he doesn't need. I kind of want him see, so he has nightmares. The believers. He's kind of running all over, you know, I kind of want. Never mind. You got enough to worry about. I don't need to add to it.

[Peter Schrager]

We know they have good players. We're certainly aware. There's no question.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you.

[AQ Shipley]

Okay, nice.

[Pat McAfee]

So do you. A lot of them. You've change over a very important position. We obviously have AQ Shipley on our show every single week. He's now the color commentator for the Arizona Cardinals. Don't know if you guys play him. I'm sure he'll have great things to say about you. He. He has really pointed out the fact that the teams that win are the teams that have great offensive lines. We've tried to showcase that because we think offensive lines most important position. You guys have done a lot. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Nick.

[AJ Hawk]

Whether it was fair or not last year, the offensive line you guys had last year took a lot of heat, and there was a big overhaul of the offensive line coming into this season. How do you feel about your new offensive line? And then how hard was it to. To trade Laramie Tanzo, who's kind of been. Been the cornerstone of that offensive line for so many years?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, great question. On a lot of different levels, I would say, relative to Laramie. Laramie's a really good football player. Did a lot for this organization for a number of years. Anytime you make difficult decisions like that, it's never easy. You try to have conversations and in the end do what you feel makes the most sense for your football team. You know, any decision that you make, we understand that there's probably going to be a lot that comes along with it, but relative to our group have a lot of players with varying levels of experience. A number of veteran players like Cam Robinson and Lake and Tomlinson combined with a number of young, younger players. You drafted Usury in the second round. Jared Patterson's done a good job for us. Titus Howard has kind of been the most experienced player here. So we feel like we've created a decent amount of competition there. And you mentioned it, and d' Amico talks about it all the time. Like, this league, everything starts with the front, the offensive and defensive line. And really it's about how you play as a unit, specifically on the offensive line. So you need all Five guys move in the right direction, communicate in the right way, making sure that you get the blockers disseminated appropriately. So it's going to take a lot of work. We have a new offensive line coach as well. So everybody's kind of starting from ground level, but we're going to be as good as a team as our fronts are. So on the offensive and defensive lines, when you look across the league, ultimately that's where games are won and lost in addition to taking care of the football and being sound situationally. So we'll try to focus on that and we'll try to put the best five out there and give ourselves the best chance to win.

[Pat McAfee]

Obviously they have to have the ability, but any five could become the, the five, you know, like it's crazy how offensive lines can kind of piece together. Don't you agree?

[Ty Schmidt]

No, no.

[Peter Schrager]

There's no question being a part of a lot of different shapes and sizes. And I would just say like looking at AQ, like, I mean the guy had an unbelievable career, 12 year career. And the reason that he lasted in this league as long as he did because he was smart as hell and he was tough as hell and he had enough physical ability to go along with it and he was able to maximize it. And when you look at offensive line play, it's really just about mitigating the disaster play and just making sure that you're sound. So just so that the defensive front doesn't have a direct line of the quarterback on the inside part of the pocket or a straight line off the edge where you don't get a hand on him.

[Pat McAfee]

He had 29 and 7, 8 inch arms. Is he the only guy that you've heard of at offensive line under 30 inches that has made it super bowl champion?

[Peter Schrager]

I'm sure if like you ask all the analytic gurus, he probably shouldn't even made his retraining camp. But you know, he was told that.

[Pat McAfee]

The guy won the Remington and then he didn't get drafted until after middle. Exactly.

[Peter Schrager]

And any, any last 12 years, I mean I would say another player, you know, we had Shaq Mason, had him here in Houston last year, had him in New England as well. He was six 1, 305 pounds. And that guy started at guard for 10 years, you know, so I think sometimes these measurables are a little bit overrated. But you can't put a lot of stuff. Sometimes a guy's toughness, his competitiveness, his just overall like work on a day to day basis, I mean it carries a lot of weight. And you see it across the league. Not only our team, but other teams as well.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I. I think finding out who's a dog and isn't is an easy job. That's why it's so simple to put together a good team. That's why every team, it's so easy to just figure it out. Dealing with humans. Yeah. 53 of them, hoping they'll all show up and get along. That is. That's not an easy feat. That's a psychology sociology test. I mean, there's a lot.

[Peter Schrager]

There's so much that goes into it. Oh, there's so much.

[Pat McAfee]

Much.

[Peter Schrager]

Honestly, this. This time of year, you're managing 90 players. So understand you have a lot of people in your building, different personalities. You're going to go from 90 to 53, then you're going to have 16 on the practical. But so you have, I would say, 70 different personalities in your building at once. And not everybody's the same. But part of our responsibility, just get the right people with the right mindset and the right mentality just moving in the right direction. And if you get enough of those people, in the end, it's going to come down to how well you execute on Sunday, Sundays.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you. They say copycat league. You know, that's kind of what every league is, I think the NBA, the NHL, the NFL and mlb.

[Darius Butler]

Yep. Well said.

[Pat McAfee]

All copycat leagues. You guys see the Eagles win? We all see the Eagles win. They ran the ball more than they threw the ball by hundreds. Saquon Barkley, obviously, they offensive line, D line, four first rounders. Everybody's able to go, you see that and say, hey, this is where the league's heading. Does that change anything? As opposed to maybe the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl? Like, how does that affect you as another team in the NFL?

[Peter Schrager]

No, it's really interesting. I think there's a cyclical nature to our league, whether it's defensive front structure or offensive personnel. We went through that experience at different points in New England. We were an 11 personnel team. Then we were a 12 personnel team. Teams are using a little more 21. But even, you know, when you watch Philadelphia play, they're 11 personnel team, but they can run the football as effectively as anybody with, you know, opened up formation. So a big part of that is they have a really good offensive line, as you mentioned, and really they have one of the best players in the league in Saquon. But what you have to do is figure out what do you have on your team? What do those players do well and then kind of where are the opportunities on the margins to make some improvements. But in the end, this league comes down to situational execution, taking care of the football. And at some point, you're probably going to have to get a yard in critical situations. So if you can run the ball or stop that play, then you're probably going to have an opportunity. But the league is very cyclical. And to your point, Pat, it's not. You just copy what another team does. You have to figure out what works. But we've got a lot of smart people in this league, and everybody's studying what everybody else is doing and try to figure out can we incorporate that into our system or maybe if something else, we can try. So. So in the end, you have to do what's best for your players and your team within the structure of what you have.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if you saw you say you're going to need a yard at some point. Shane Gillis created the Tush push. Is that what we said?

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Peter Schrager]

Oh, is that where we are on that?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think I saw it on the S. I think it was. It was on the ESPYs. Yeah, I think it was. I think so. Maybe you call him. Yeah, he's down there in Austin. Right. I don't know how far that is from Houston. He could probably come up with a yard play for. You guys. Came up for one for.

[Peter Schrager]

Maybe we could put him on the way. Whiteboard. Yeah. Maybe he can give us a play to get us a yard.

[Pat McAfee]

Former D1 offensive lineman. People forget that about him and Marine. No.

[Boston Conner]

Excuse me. Army.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. Who in any. Yeah, let's move along.

[Boston Conner]

True story.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about putting a team together. Let's talk about putting a team together. Go ahead, con man.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Nick.

[Boston Conner]

Every year you seem to kind of support C.J. more with wide receivers or C.J. stroud. Excuse me. First year you bring in Dalton Schultz kind of as his vet. In there already having Nico Collins. Last year it was digs. This year it's Christian Kirk. You're the only guy who seems to check Sheer's notifications when someone gets released and then reach out to that team and just trade for him.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know why that is your move.

[Boston Conner]

Don't know why no one else does it. You did it with Joe Mixon last year. Now you did it with Christian Kirk.

[Darius Butler]

Great player.

[Boston Conner]

What is kind of the strategy in doing that? And then what's the strategy in bringing in three or having three Iowa State Cyclones on your roster? Because we're go Hawks and those guys typically don't pan out.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Tyres Halliburg is Olympic gold medalist.

[Darius Butler]

Different sport.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. No, no. Brock Purdy. Brock purdy. He's. He's one of one. He's Mr. Irrelevant, man. No one can do that.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about? Campbell. The guy's won more games than anybody in the history.

[Peter Schrager]

Good program. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Matt.

[Peter Schrager]

Matt runs a really good program. Meantime, we have a lot of respect. I have a lot of respect for coach parents and what I mean. Longest tenured coach.

[Darius Butler]

Thank you.

[Peter Schrager]

In college. So. So I have a lot of respect for his program. But specifically to your initial question, really, you're just looking for opportunities to add players to your team, and there's no straight line A to B. So if a player gets released, if he makes it to the waiver wire, then he's going to terminate and then he essentially becomes a free agent and there's going to be competition for that player services potentially. So you get involved in that, or if you feel that's a player that you want to be able to gain his services and you feel if you have to make a move and give up draft compensation, that that's a choice that you have to make. So we've done that a few times here in Houston. We did it back in the day in New England as well. We did it with Jason McCourty, something very similar. So it's really just about trying to take advantage of your opportunities and make decisions that you feel make the most sense as it pertains to the number of cyclones that we have on the team. Yes, we do have three. I don't think we went into the draft with the intent to draft two players from the same program. But. But they were. Jaden and Jalen were both really good football players with the right mindset, the right makeup. They kind of complement one another. So our job is to bring as many good football players and people in the building as possible and then let the competition sort itself out.

[Pat McAfee]

How many Hawkeyes you got?

[Darius Butler]

Not enough.

[Pat McAfee]

We have no.

[Peter Schrager]

We have Luke Lachey. We took Luke in the seventh round this year. I think he's the only one. I have to check with Omar on that. But, yeah, so. But yeah, we've had Hawks, we've had Cyclones.

[Pat McAfee]

We.

[Peter Schrager]

We had any Mountaineers, we'll have to do that. We got enough Buckeyes, so we're trying to run a gamut here. We have any Huskies? I don't think we have any.

[Pat McAfee]

There's no reason. There's no Reason to do what you just did right there. Huskies are coming. I don't know if the Huskies are ever gonna come anywhere but back. I'm sure they're sorry. I'm sure at some point you guys come somewhere basketball and everything like that. Don't relax. Mountaineers, though. You everything that you're about from what I'm hearing, man. Rich Rodriguez about to create some boys for that team down there. I just want to let you know that we got some Mountaineers that are ready to run. I don't know if it's going to be this year. Okay, sure be tough.

[Boston Conner]

Trust.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like much better this year, though.

[Peter Schrager]

Like the Mountaineers. The Mountaineers are ready to go. Rich Rod will get them back.

[Pat McAfee]

He knows this is a gentleman.

[Ian Rapoport]

How many wins was that? Ten wins.

[Pat McAfee]

Shut up, aj. You guys gonna beat Texas week one or not? Okay, let's just talk about that. Let's just talk about that real quick, all right? Don't you worry about what Rich Rod's doing in the hills of West Virginia right now, okay? We're building dogs ready to become Texans. But if not, they're going to be Indianapolis Colts and you don't want to see them in your nightmares, brother. Speaking of nightmares, we know how much you love the American one. Yep. And we know how much you love wwe. You're in a middle training camp right now. You're obviously focused on a lot of things, but there is a huge change to the wrestling world that's happening. Go ahead, Ty.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, Nick. Obviously you're up to your eyeball eyeballs right now in football stuff, as you should be. But I hope, or, you know, maybe you're not. But if you're not going to, I think you should cut a little slice out every night to check out WWE Unreal on Netflix as a big time mark. Just curious, are you excited to see how the sausage gets made in the wwe?

[Pat McAfee]

Are you like it is very much, by the way.

[Darius Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

You haven't seen it? I've only seen clips I haven't watched yet.

[Darius Butler]

Everything is not, is nothing sacred? That's kind of where I, where I stand. Nothing sacred. I, I, I don't want to kill Kayfabe, but again, knowing you're a big American Nightmare guy, we saw in the preview, him and, and Kevin Owens kind of, you know, discussing their match from the Royal Rumble. So is that something to kind of get away from football at night? You'll maybe sit down and kind of tune into.

[Peter Schrager]

It's funny you bring that up at some point. I Probably will take a peek at that real quick. Actually, when I got home last night, I saw the tail end of Raw on Netflix. And then I actually happened to listen. I was at a conference in March. Triple H was there with one of the executives from Netflix. And essentially they were talking about the transition from. From USA or the network to Netflix and the Reach. And it was really interesting kind of hearing their perspective. I did see CM Punk's monologue last night. Of course, he did a really good job.

[Pat McAfee]

Promo. Promo. Speak the words.

[Peter Schrager]

Then they previewed the. The card here this weekend. So, yeah, I mean, the fact that it's Cena's last SummerSlam match.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[Peter Schrager]

I mean, what do we. How do we think this is gonna go? We'll see. We'll see.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. He might lose, brother. This could be all over. You never know. The run of Cena. The last time is now. Maybe the last time. Him being a champ is now, too. Never know. Just a few days out. Roman got his J stolen from him last night. Crazy. No way. From Brunson Reed. Right off his feet.

[Boston Conner]

Bad.

[AJ Hawk]

Big Brunson Reed.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Tsunami's back, baby.

[Pat McAfee]

It certainly is.

[Peter Schrager]

Bronson's a bad man. Bronson's a bad man.

[Pat McAfee]

He is a bad man. Both. Both. He's coming off the top of a cage. He's trying to Tsunami broke. He Tsunami. Both of his.

[AJ Hawk]

Did he do the wheelchair gimmick?

[Pat McAfee]

No, he's just with Bron Breaker and.

[AQ Shipley]

Paul Heyman should have, though.

[Pat McAfee]

Anyways, the unreal thing. I. I've seen the clips. I. I would like to say because I feel like everybody in the wrestling world has given their opinion on it. I was not a big fan of this thing. I. I did not enjoy. Enjoy the thought of it just as a wrestling fan. Like, I enjoy watching things that happened 20 years ago, like Undertaker and Mick Foley chit chatting after Hell in a Cell and seeing the clips later in a documentary. Love it. The Rock in Mankind chit chatting after that. Love it. All the behind. I think Brock and Undertaker's moment before they go out there, like years later. Like, I enjoy seeing it years later. I just didn't know how I'd feel about it. Every clip I've seen is like, this must watch. Like this is going to. This is very, very, very good content that I assume they knew the world would love. And I think if you look at early indications. Everybody's watching this, Nick. Everybody's watching it.

[Peter Schrager]

Well, look, as you know, they know what they're doing, so they obviously felt like if they put this product together, like there was going to be an attraction and there was going to be interest. They wouldn't do something haphazardly, which is why the product has lasted as long as it has has and there's still the interest in the pull that there is. I mean you, you know, I was watching clips, obviously, you know, with Hulk's passing and you're looking at some of the clips and what's happened.

[Pat McAfee]

Think about that.

[Peter Schrager]

I mean, he was in it for 35, 40 years and to have, to still have that reach and for the WWE to still have the attraction that it does. I mean, they obviously know what they're doing, so you do nothing but tip your hat to them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was a big decision. I think probably that was made. Hey, we're going to give this whole thing away here and. But then as you're watching it, it's like all people that aren't interested in wrestling are going to love this.

[Darius Butler]

Well, it's also like it's kind of for the more adult fans. Like it's tv, it's mature audiences. So like they're not editing anything out. Like those are like actual conversations where nothing's bleeped or anything like that. So it's not like they're just like, oh yeah, like the, the 10 to 14 year old demo. Who watches every week? They're going to love this. Like this is for the adult fans.

[Pat McAfee]

NFL Films did a great job with this. I think from the clips I've seen, I think it is historic type shit.

[AQ Shipley]

I, I was like you, I, I was against it at first, but I think when we had Paul Heyman on and you asked him about it, his answer kind of turned me before I saw. And then I've seen the clips. I haven't saw and watched the full episode yet, but the clips have been banger after.

[Pat McAfee]

Every clip is. Every clip absolutely has been great because it's breaking.

[Peter Schrager]

A lot of smart people in wrestling. A lot of smart people in wrestling.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think that's what's, I think that's what's being showcased. Like, hey, you guys think this is all just like some knockoff. They've never won an award like from the mainstream. WWE has never won an Emmy. They've never won anything for anything that they've ever done because I don't think they've ever been. They've always been like, ah, that's wrestling. That's wrestling. I think what unreal is showing is like, hey, there's a lot that goes into this with some very big brains like these are now granted. Are they brain surgeons?

[Darius Butler]

No, certainly not.

[Pat McAfee]

Are they able to do but in the wrestling world, Entertainment, telling stories, controlling crowds, controlling everything. It's like. It's unbelievable. I. I think it's gonna. I think it's very good. I was a non believer. I told him not to mic me up this. That's what I said. As if I matter. I. They asked me to be it. I'm like, nah, I'm not doing this. This ain't.

[Peter Schrager]

I look forward to watching when I get the chance.

[Pat McAfee]

For sure. For sure. Well, we can't wait to watch your team continue to bust ass through training camp. You guys thumped down there. Feels like you guys are big time hitters. Mad respect fact.

[Boston Conner]

They almost like killed Jalen Noel. I'm pretty sure. I think it was Petrie.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. How do you talk?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, it was Higgins. Yeah, Higgins.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Peter Schrager]

He took a little bit of a shot today, so.

[Pat McAfee]

A little bit.

[Peter Schrager]

It was actually. It was actually a clean hit. He'll talk about in a team meeting here in a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, this happens, boys. Welcome to. That's a clean hit. That's gonna happen every single time. All right. We appreciate you, man. Thank you for making time.

[Peter Schrager]

Appreciate you, fellas. Thanks for having us on.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, the gentleman of the Houston Texans, Nick Kio. He mentioned that Omar Fella. Omar's the man. He's the guy that made that whole thing happen. Reached out to me cold last week. Hey, hope you're great. If you want to talk to anybody, we obviously are all back and everybody loves you. Awesome. I was like, Casario stopped by, cuz. Yeah, text me back the next morning. S good for Tuesday. Perfect. Easy. Let's do it. I appreciate them. Texans have always been good to us. Very, very.

[Darius Butler]

He's the very good. Yeah, he's awesome.

[Boston Conner]

He's always, always so good on the program.

[AJ Hawk]

And they're kings of the South.

[Ian Rapoport]

He gets it like he's under. He understands the. Like he's a rational human sometimes. You don't always get that with GMs. They think like, oh, like they're. They're all consumed by the gig. Like, he seems like a real human still.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, him wearing the headset whenever he was up in the booth with old buddy that was chewing.

[Boston Conner]

That's what I was about to say. Easter be like, he started with Easter be. Now he's with Tamiko.

[Pat McAfee]

Ryan Ryanson. So who was the guy? Coach Dave.

[AJ Hawk]

He got a raw deal.

[Darius Butler]

He got a raw deal.

[AQ Shipley]

He did get a Rod.

[Pat McAfee]

Coach Dave Coley had no shot.

[Boston Conner]

Placeholder for Josh McCann.

[Pat McAfee]

But what we.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Never coached. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

So boys fought for Coach Dave.

[Pat McAfee]

That was an interesting time for the Houston Texans. And that was also his, like, first year. The Easter Bees running. Scott's chewing on his tongue. Order winning games. Never heard of.

[Darius Butler]

The owner had just died. His son took over, and they were calling him Tommy Boy.

[Pat McAfee]

No. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

No. Yeah. Yeah. The whole.

[Ian Rapoport]

Turn it around quickly, though. I give him even more credit. When you go back and think about what this whole franchise has been through.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But how we got introduced is in the middle of that fire is happening is a general manager wearing a goddamn headset up in the booth and, like, wording things down. It's like, hey, bud, enough. Okay? We don't need you doing that. Then he comes on the show. He's like, yeah, I like to be on the headset because I like to know what we need, what they're looking for, how it operates. It's like, oh, this guy's very. Like, he's defending this. You don't think a general manager with a headset's a little weird? He said, there'll come a time, I think whenever. I probably won't do it, but I need to learn what our coaches are like, what our team's like. I did it in New England. I think we were okay up there. Yeah, I think you are. I think it is a. Okay.

[AQ Shipley]

And he's done so much, so many different things in different parts of the building that, you know, him learning that. I mean. Yeah, he. He's the guy. He's the right guy. I don't like you calling the Kings of the South.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, me neither. Look at the banners, bro. Go count them.

[AJ Hawk]

They've won a vision title in the last 10 years.

[Pat McAfee]

Right? Well, we got a little dust on her. There might be a little dust on our banners. That don't mean we got more of them.

[Boston Conner]

We do. They've taken more banners down than they've put up in the last 10 years. Actually, that's true.

[Pat McAfee]

I still don't like that that happened.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. I completely forgot about until right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too. I don't like that you did this. I don't.

[Boston Conner]

I just. I remember. I wish I didn't.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't.

[Boston Conner]

That thing right there.

[Pat McAfee]

Right there. Unbelievable. Wow.

[AJ Hawk]

Certainly you're on that team.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Would they take down the Participant banner?

[Pat McAfee]

The shitty banner 24, the one that.

[Ian Rapoport]

Said, we played, we made the AFC playoffs.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[AQ Shipley]

Final four banner.

[Darius Butler]

AFC championship.

[Ian Rapoport]

ANC championship. Runner up. Is that What?

[Pat McAfee]

The banner said no finalist. Dude.

[Ian Rapoport]

That really happened, though. Like, honestly.

[Boston Conner]

Oh, yeah. They got rings. Did you guys get rings?

[Pat McAfee]

Shut up. Enough. It was tough game. It was a tough game. It was a tough game. Tough off season after that. Lot of reliving of that game game, too, because who knows, two years, Brady.

[Boston Conner]

Gets suspended till 2016.

[Pat McAfee]

They put the banner up. Yeah. Remember that? Yes. Tom Brady was using those. Those balls. Yeah. What a wild time to be alive.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. Which was proven wrong also.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a witch hunt, I'll have you know.

[Boston Conner]

Just.

[Ian Rapoport]

Just.

[Boston Conner]

Just to make sure we're locked in on this 2015.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, we need to. We need to go camping here. You know, we've talked about it enough. We need to go camping. Camping. I don't know if you know this, aj, but there's football highlights all over the place. If you're able to scroll, if you got active thumbs and you're on any social media platform, you're just seeing highlights from the NFL. We were able to gather them, weren't we? We're able to piece them together so that everybody can see all the great plays. Aj Isn't that beautiful underneath that yarmulke? You've been thinking, hey, I need to see all these things because I might not live on social media.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, I do. I do see a lot of them on social media. Media. But you guys do a great job of compiling and putting them together. There's. There's new ones every time you look, though. That's the best part about this time of year.

[Pat McAfee]

And I will say there's new ones coming right before show starts, and then we send them in, and Foxy's like, what am I? What? I got a. It's tough. Yeah. The entire graphics video department does not love whenever teams have practices at 11:50 and things are coming out, it's like, so it's on here, and I just put on the. Well, we got to put it through a whole. Yeah, do it. Put it in there. Yeah. Foxy. Well, can I have a drink of water? No. Foxy. Show starts in 10 minutes. No camping. We need up. We need Terry McLaurin and Buddy Baker talking to each other on the field because that tells the story. Buddy Baker's boots on the ground and just make it happen. Folks say, yeah, it's just as easy as that. But we appreciate everybody in the back because the practices are in the morning leading right up to our show, and we try to gather all the highlights. Ladies and gentlemen, let's go camping, shall we? Hell, yeah. Tone things. Let's go camping him.

[AJ Hawk]

Let's go camping, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's start Santa Clara.

[AJ Hawk]

In Santa Clara with the San Francisco 49ers. Christian McCaffrey running a little go route on number four six. And he looks to be helping again.

[Pat McAfee]

Pat fingertip grab. Obviously he flips. Wasn't touched. Could have finished that. You know, defensive guy. Let's put a hand on him.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

When he hits the ground, of course.

[AQ Shipley]

Probably a young guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Quads look gigantic.

[Ian Rapoport]

He looks hand up right here.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[Ian Rapoport]

Throw his hand up. I got him as soon as he was a.

[Pat McAfee]

If. If he's even. He's leaving and he knows that. And Christian McCaffrey still has the burst. Clearly. What a weapon to be back for the San Francisco 49ers. Everybody's talked about the Niners having a disappointing season last year that started four days before the season started. Whenever we found out that Christian McCaffrey had Achilles tendonitis and then that jumped from one side to the other side and then their entire season just never really got off. Now's the time to bet on the San Francisco 49ers. I think seeing that. Great to see CMC back in full form.

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely. Now banged up at the wide receiver position. But if you have 23 healthy along that offensive line and then they're big money quarterback, they are in a good position to succeed. So. Yeah. Two, three. Making plays at a beautiful site for 49er fans.

[Pat McAfee]

Big money tight end as well. Obviously George gets paid this off season. Go ahead to home. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Let's head to Giants camp where we. We saw a four moon. We've seen a lot of full moons. That's Russ Wilson and the. The classic moon ball to Malik Neighbors who Shrag said is having the camp of all camps.

[Pat McAfee]

And then what the best.

[Ian Rapoport]

This is the best.

[Pat McAfee]

What is that? I think it was cleaning the top of a table.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he was dusting off a table. Like there's a table there and he's dusting it off. Yeah. It'll belt the egg.

[Boston Conner]

I thought he was.

[Pat McAfee]

No. What do you mean belt the egg?

[AQ Shipley]

Belt to bend your ass over.

[Pat McAfee]

Yaga yaga. That's what he was doing.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. I didn't know that. I thought it was maybe a table. Yeah, he was an elf. His left hand is up. Like, look at that table. How about the little boy in the back with the thumbs up? Love him. If we could pause on little boy. He just. He just learned how to dust the table or make about the ass. Go rewind a little bit. And there he Is little boy in the book?

[Darius Butler]

Loves it.

[Pat McAfee]

You see him? Hey, thumbs up, bubba. That's good, Bob. We want to see more of that, bro. Shout out to the Giants. New era, same regime. Can they win? Malik Neighbors was being put in a conversation with Justin Jefferson. Yeah. Jamar Chase. Malik Neighbors is Terry McLaurin Malik neighbors. That's what Peter Schrager said. That's right. So that is what Giants fans are saying about Malik Neighbors. They already have him as a top, top three guy, top four guy. Maybe that is the case. Maybe that happens with it. Especially with a day ball offense and Russell Wilson able to do his thing. But Terry McCorn's been doing it for like 10 years, so we shall see. Hopefully Malik's able to do that. Good highlight out of Russell Wilson. I know. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are like, that looks familiar, right? Ain't that what you guys were thinking?

[AJ Hawk]

Listen, for six, seven weeks, he's going to give you incredible NFL football, okay? And then, you know, stuff happens. Let's head up to Cleveland. We got Joe Flacco look like that. A little bit of an 11 on 11 drill here.

[Pat McAfee]

Here.

[AJ Hawk]

Carson Swinger, the first pick in the second round. Little rookie on rookie crime to Dylan Sampson. I don't know if this is a thud drill because it looked he. He didn't even think about rapping there. Puts Dylan Sampson on his ass. AJ what do you think about that one, Paul?

[Ian Rapoport]

I thought this is a beautiful play. Watch him scrape over the top. And yeah, even if this isn't full, full stop. Also credit to 4, 3, the safety coming down the box. And this, this pulling line. Look at he's going down. He doesn't even blink.

[Pat McAfee]

His back two yards and he's on the right side on right shoulder. He forces that right into him. That's great. Great. Absolutely. That's good fit there. I think that's what people call it.

[Ian Rapoport]

Team defense right there. That's how you play to your leverage. You know where your help's at with. I mean, look you. All you need is a shoulder. That's all I got to give you is my shoulder. I'm gonna knock you back right here at the line of scrimmage. Beautiful play. I mean, that's what happens. You put on pads and you really start to see the guys that love ball and love contact.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ how come not everybody can thump, you know, because there's guys that are like known thumpers. Is it like.

[Ian Rapoport]

Question.

[Pat McAfee]

Is it the explosion of people like you? Obviously hard hitter, but there's some guys that are same size as you, Same speed as you, for whatever reason, aren't hard hitters. Like, I don't know if this guy's MO Is he's a hard hitter, but there's a chance that, like, he has lightning in his pads. And there's just some guys on teams that everybody gives a heads up to, like, hey, this guy's different. This guy hits different. What is it, dudes?

[Ian Rapoport]

I don't know. What is a question, though. I've never really tried to put my finger on it. It's obviously. It's a mentality. Like, first, it starts with a mentality. Some people are just like, missiles, and they don't have any thoughts in their head of, like, repercussions. If I go run my skull directly into this pulling lineman, like, all they know is, I'm gonna try to kill this dude and do my job. And they don't think about. Some people, I think, may they measure them a little bit and think, okay, I don't want to get hurt on this. Or, you know, I don't want to hit this guy full speed. But it's also like a. A leverage thing. Size doesn't matter. We see guys that are small, that are monster hitters. It's all about leverage and pad level, I feel like, coupled with the mentality, it's just. Yeah. I don't know. Some people come out of the womb like, that, are just absolute killers.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. I wonder if more guys are more explosive than others.

[AQ Shipley]

First guy that comes to my mind is Buddha Baker. Like, if you just saw him on the street, you wouldn't think, but he on the fields, an absolute assassin. We know Bob Sanders was a guy, but he was built like he would knock you the fuck out. And then Cam Chancellor, he's a big guy, built like. So, yeah, Errol Thomas was a huge dude, but he would come down later.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, I used to watch Clint Sam Session, north and South. Yeah, I got quit.

[Ian Rapoport]

I used to watch Phil just to watch him kill people.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God. That was Y2J. Y2CJ year.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Chris Johnson or whatever. And third play, Clint Session helmet. Right to Chris Johnson's helmet. I mean, it was. And that was. I had a chance to hang out with Clint a lot for a couple years there, and he's hilarious. You need to understand that that guy is absolutely hysterical. Miracle. But, like, plan is like, hey, first quarter, one of these guys got to get one, you know? And it's like that. That's a weapon to have on your Team because everybody on the other team is like, hey, this. This guy right here is. We need to have hands on this guy. We cannot let him free. And it was fun to watch him, but, like, it feels like those guys, like, is this guy one of those guys also?

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, he was a walk on it. You go from a walk on at UCLA to the first pick of the second round. You're also a guy that knows how to practice and knows how to, like, make splash plays to improve. You know, that's. That's probably a situation there where that. That helps and happens, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Another guy great for Cleveland that. That's happening.

[Boston Conner]

He better not touch Jerry Judy. I know that much.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, Jerry Judy ain't worried about that.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, exactly. He ain't getting touched.

[Pat McAfee]

Jerry Judy just did a milk check real quick before we were even talking about that guy. Good. He said, excuse me.

[AQ Shipley]

Another skill. Guys that can avoid big hits. Marvin Harrison, I got guys who can. All little guys who usually.

[Pat McAfee]

I think devonte does a good job at it as well. Tyreek does a good job staying out.

[AJ Hawk]

Of, you know, another guy that. That does that.

[Pat McAfee]

We.

[AJ Hawk]

We're gonna head down to Saints camp and a great connection to end the year last year, Spencer. Spencer Rattler to Rashid Shahid, who is the burner now for the New Orleans Saints. Early in this camp, we don't know who the starting quarterback's going to be, but we know Rasheed Shahid's going to be a playmaker for the Saints team.

[Pat McAfee]

I love a good deep ball. I also love number 22. I love them.

[AJ Hawk]

Matthew Gold.

[Pat McAfee]

He did a lot of last year. Right. If I recall, we were doing a lot of Rasheed Shahid highlights, I think, very early. Great name. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

I could feel the humidity through this. This footage.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Very hot.

[Boston Conner]

Have you seen the Tyler Shuck stuff? Because I did want to know.

[Pat McAfee]

Throw the football.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. What happens? Especially for you, D. But he won't throw the football.

[Pat McAfee]

I guess I just saw three. Once again, we can't judge everything, but. Yeah, it's seven.

[AQ Shipley]

Is this a rep right here?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's four or five of them.

[Ian Rapoport]

I think it's good, D. It's good defense, man. Watch them pass us all. Everything off.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah. We're talking throw the ball.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

Hold on. How about this? Gain a two.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, that's not a game.

[Pat McAfee]

First two downs, he does. That's a gain of four. We got third and medium. Yeah, we're in a good spot. That's smart football. But they have, like, three of these. They Posted. And the person that posted it was like, hey, this guy won't throw the ball, basically. And, you know, he's a veteran. He's a little bit older. Guy played a lot of football in college. Obviously he's with Braum. Braum, obviously, great quarterback coach and everything like that. But it does feel like some of these young guys, I'm not saying they weren't. That wasn't glue covered. I'm not saying that wasn't the case. They look like Gary Payton. I was a glove out there, you know, a bunch of islands. But I think a lot of these young quarterbacks, there is a little bit of a hesitancy to throw because you don't know, hey, that's open. You got to throw that now. Got to throw that now. Which is what we're seeing from young quarterbacks more specifically here at Tyler Show.

[AQ Shipley]

You got to let it rip. And that's what practice is for. You know, you want to. If you. You throw it. Because it's all about time in the NFL. You can't wait for guys to get open. You got to throw guys open. And then another thing you learn as a quarterback, NFL incompletions aren't terrible. Just throw it away and. And line up again. Because scrambling, like, that's not realistic. We're not getting better with that type of rep. As a defense, Nobody.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

With no. With no lie. With no rush. If it's a real rush out there and you scramble and you make time, that's one thing. But no rush. You're doing that. Throw the damn ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Listen to the entire defense. Talk to that kid. Would have been fun. But I don't know if they're talking down New Orleans. It's 150 degrees. True. Too hard. Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore went out there the first day to speak, and this is our first. It was my first time really hearing him as a head coach. And, you know, I think back to Boise State, Kellen, like, kind of same era here. Young head coach, coach, him talking to that crowd. We like that. It's hot. We really like that. This is the first thing I said, and I was like, ah, that sounds like a guy that did not fully prepare for how hot it was. They started moving that training camp to West Virginia. Yeah, West Virginia. Hot as West Virginia. Very hot. Especially in the summer. They started getting out of there for how. I couldn't imagine a training camp down Louisiana to think about the high school kids that play down there in Louisiana. Seriously, like, was Arch down there?

[Darius Butler]

Sure was.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Was he? I didn't know. So he's been through a Louisiana training camp his whole life.

[Boston Conner]

I mean, he's in Texas already, though, so it's not as if. I mean, Texas gets up to 120 in the summer anyways.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So he's got that just natural. Yeah, he does.

[Boston Conner]

Grit.

[Pat McAfee]

Who do you think is going to be better this year between DJ Lagwa. Way. Arch Manning.

[Ian Rapoport]

I have a hard time picking against Arch. I really do.

[Pat McAfee]

Me, too. Now D.J. lagway last year with Florida. Yeah, dog. And I did a little more research because D Butt. I love Arch Manning. Love him. That's what he's doing. That's what he's. That, that, that. That is what he's.

[AQ Shipley]

He's been.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[AQ Shipley]

He's waited his turn. He's been in the meetings, he's taking, taking practice rep. He's got a great offensive coach. He will be surrounded by great talent. If you're asking me just like you asked AJ that same question, this year I'm going Lagway. All right, listen, I think they'll both be great, but I will pick probably Lagway this year and then the kid from South Carolina. I think those guys would probably be the top two guys.

[Pat McAfee]

I think Lenore Sellers is number one in everybody's eyes, I think, even for the NFL next year. But Aaron's brother Jordan came out not from SEC media days. I think he said, like, Arch is like the sixth or seventh best quarterback. This is all over hype. And I'm like, he really said that? Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

In the sec.

[Pat McAfee]

In the sec. And I was like, holy. And then D Butt comes in. I got lag way over. I'm like, are we talking about the same guy right now? I. I don't. Bro. Arch Highs Manning. That's how I see it happening.

[AQ Shipley]

I like it.

[Pat McAfee]

That is literally how I see taking place. But I think my. And this might be just because of my relationship with the family. It's like this boy. This boy.

[AQ Shipley]

Princeton's promise.

[Pat McAfee]

Just like Peyton and Eli were. You know, there's videos of Peyton and Eli whenever. They're just little boys in Gatorade commercials and like that. Like, hey, these guys are created to be professional football players. And that's the whole thing. Not just on the field and how you throw a ball and all that, how you interact with. Interact with teammates, how you lead, how you show up, how you work. It was like they've been. Arch has been going to Manning Passing academy since he's 4 years old. So in my eyes, Hearing Jordan Rogers say that he's going to be the sixth or seventh best quarterback in the sec, I'm like, I don't know, man. I didn't even think of that. I didn't even. I didn't even think of that. I just thought Arch going to win national championship with Texas this year. He's going to win the Heisman. Like that is literally just how I view the Manning operation.

[AQ Shipley]

He's a better athlete too than the the other ones that we sell.

[Darius Butler]

I mean that's like you said, the amount of talent he's gonna have around him at Texas.

[Pat McAfee]

There's gonna be some wide receiver that we've never heard of that is going to run 4:1 this year somehow at Texas. And Sarkeesian's offense is all of it. And also like once again close to the situation. Have literally known Arch and seen Arch since he's like little boy, you know, in this entire thing. He got knocked the out against Ohio State, no questions asked. Knocked out down up right back at it. He's at the. He's at the cookout. You know, he's at the cookout and then he's losing his student ID multiple times with the boys.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

First week it's like this guy is a Manning. Like this is literally Manning football lightweight.

[AQ Shipley]

Battle too last year. Yeah. He made the boys fought for Napier last year.

[Pat McAfee]

I agree.

[AQ Shipley]

I like I can't wait to watch. That's why. That's why they got to play the game coming out.

[AJ Hawk]

I think they were the two highest rated quarterbacks of like the last 20 years.

[Pat McAfee]

And then down there in LSU. Yeah, I was talking about Texas on also has Theo Pav is obviously a dog we so I didn't but whenever Aaron's brother said that George I was like I was literally mindblown while I was watching it. And then you came in like literally a day later. I got lagway overarch. I'm like, am I.

[AQ Shipley]

Well, you asked the question am I completely.

[Pat McAfee]

He's going to misreading this entire bomb.

[AQ Shipley]

Said he was the greatest quarterback since.

[Pat McAfee]

We don't need to hear that.

[AJ Hawk]

The preseason voting as far as first team, second team, third team in the SEC went Sellers Nussmeier and then Arch.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, first two words of that sentence. Say it again.

[AQ Shipley]

Fine. Bombset.

[Pat McAfee]

Never do that again on this.

[Boston Conner]

Appreciate that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's go camping here as we got one. Yeah, let's go.

[AJ Hawk]

Let's go camp. Let's go out to Arizona. We got buckeye on buckeye crime one on ones we got Marvin Harrison Jr. We had neighbors on earlier. This was his 10 wide receiver draft pick from last season. He's looking buff. He's looking good. A big second season for Marvin Harrison Jr. Probably coming here.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of shit being talked about, Marv. A lot of shit being talked about, Marv. Because how it went, I think Arizona Cardinals in general have underwhelmed a lot of people. I think they're primed for a big breakout year. And also if we're going to stay in West Coast. Hey, don't be scared of the Raiders. Listen, don't be scared to take the Raiders. I'm saying you should be scared of the Raiders. Pete Carroll. I'll put a little pressure on apartment Turners. We're not covering Don. We're not blocking. We're not doing the entire thing. These guys need to feel a little athleticism in their face. Let's see who's got it, who doesn't. This dude's a hundred years old. Look at him. Proper leverage. Get him the sideline. There's a white here that's returning in about a second. And he shakes the shit out of Pete Carroll. And I don't know how Pete didn't fall, right? Did not fall. Okay, that's an 80 year old, right? How old is he?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, like 70.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's like 50 there. Yeah. How does he not fall? And then he's spinning it. They got him spinning, throwing like 30 yards still. Pete Carroll might be in the best shape of any 70 plus human on this earth. He's a dog and he's not scared to talk his. Hey, for 20 years, I've won 10 plus games. We're going to win here. I believe it. I mean, the energy is immaculate. And the Raiders could be all the way back. Don't look now. The Raiders might not be shy. All right, we continue on YouTube and everywhere else. We'll see you tomorrow from Pittsburgh. Goodbye.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, the same difference from Pittsburgh Steel Steelers training.

[AQ Shipley]

How far did you get it from Pittsburgh?

[AJ Hawk]

Like, depends where you're at. An hour from downtown, 45 minutes from Plum, where we grew up.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yeah. East Hill is where we are, you know, because there's so many different.

[AQ Shipley]

We'll be able to navigate traffic.

[Ian Rapoport]

You ever go to any training camps as a kid.

[Pat McAfee]

Anywhere near Pittsburgh?

[AQ Shipley]

No.

[Ian Rapoport]

No Dolphins camp or anything?

[AQ Shipley]

No, never.

[Ian Rapoport]

It's too hot in Florida in August to go watch a practice outside.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, no, no.

[Darius Butler]

Really? Anywhere?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, right. Yeah. It's pulling off, though.

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely not.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. Thursday is what I've been told.

[Pat McAfee]

Starts the rain yesterday. Pretty real. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And then it got real muggy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And then it was greenish last night. Did you see that?

[Boston Conner]

The sky?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Boston Conner]

The sky the last two nights has been. Been insane.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Green like tornado. You feel almost when I'm looking outside but it's at the sunset time. So I'm like is this sunset or is this like tornado? I feel. I think we had some wind. I think we had. I had a tree limb that fell out on this. It's like Indiana though. You can literally any moment can and get 60, 70 mile an hour winds out of nowhere. Or you can get a full torrential downpour out of nowhere. I mean that's classic Midwest football right there. But it's been hot and everywhere. Dude. I couldn't imagine. No. Oh my.

[Ian Rapoport]

How much hotter are the guardian caps? The guardian caps feel like it would make my. Me much hotter in my helmet.

[Pat McAfee]

Cuz you can't breathe. The helmet can't breathe.

[Ian Rapoport]

No. Like it's not. What if you had a guardian cap and a visor? You're just living in a sauna right there.

[Darius Butler]

That's bad.

[Ian Rapoport]

That'd be awful.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the visor. I know, it looks cool. The ha. Did you visor. Were you ever. You were a visor?

[AQ Shipley]

Always.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You looked very cool.

[AQ Shipley]

Had to get used to it.

[Ian Rapoport]

D butt. It was weird. You have to get used to it. I tried it for like one practice in college and just like the, the angle of the lens was just weird for me to see. Yeah. Obviously. And fog.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah. Now I got. The Oakley ones were always good. I never liked the other. I tried a Nike one when they first came out because I think we kind of had to. But I just stuck with Oakley. Just had to black out the old. But yeah, Oakley's never let me down.

[Pat McAfee]

I. I put a visor on for training camp practice and it didn't reach all the way down to where my.

[Boston Conner]

The bar.

[AQ Shipley]

Change the helmets.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I had like a nice little space.

[Boston Conner]

Sick.

[Pat McAfee]

It was. It was actually pretty distracting because the ball was going from shade to. It was dark.

[AQ Shipley]

A dark visor?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, a dark. Yeah, for sure. For practice. Frog. Put it on. Yeah, put it on. Put. I need a. I need a visor today. I think it would be hilarious. I walk out there with it. It was, it was. But I. It was not good for my profession.

[Boston Conner]

Bad day of practice.

[Pat McAfee]

Bad. Bad.

[AQ Shipley]

Sick.

[Pat McAfee]

With a dark vibe, you know, with that hair. Yeah. Especially with his big lug head that he has.

[Ian Rapoport]

You ever have guys go out and try in warm Ups in the NFL with a sweet, like, mirror visor, real dark tint. And then obviously make the poor training staff take it off, put a clear one on for the game.

[Pat McAfee]

I love you saying the poor training staff, because that was like. Some guys go flex this and practice. What? Cleats, socks, visor. And then what are you gonna wear for the game? Yeah, I gotta change it all for the game. It's like, well, who's doing that equivalent stuff? They got nothing else going on, right? No, no. Yeah. Hey, can you change these 10 visors? Because we're not allowed to wear those in the game. But they looked sweet in warmups. I think. I think they need. Just let me. Any visor go.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I think it's a medical thing for, like, when guys, like, on the field. Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

I see.

[AQ Shipley]

So you can get obviously, the medical exemption for.

[Ian Rapoport]

Oh, that's why. So, like, if you get knocked out, they can look at your eyeballs and see if you're there.

[Pat McAfee]

Y.

[Ian Rapoport]

We could get around that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we got.

[Ian Rapoport]

Cut the. We could cut you a little. Cut your visor off with a little scissors or something.

[Pat McAfee]

Skill saw or just a. Cuz. I think you can just face.

[Ian Rapoport]

Or if the guy's just knocked out. Knocked out. Dead, unconscious. We know whether he has a visor on or not. I can kind of tell.

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's a sting. It's a stinger.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yes. Shorter athlete. I gotta go out one play. Oh, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Full body. Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

Arms up in the air, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Raiders. Raiders. Running back.

[Boston Conner]

Sting.

[Ian Rapoport]

Try not to stumble. You can't stumble.

[Pat McAfee]

You gotta take. Yeah, you gotta get. Yep. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Take your time.

[Pat McAfee]

Stinger.

[AQ Shipley]

Get on the knee. Got to get on the knee for a second.

[Ian Rapoport]

If you stumble, you got to jog it off like you're in the airport and you hit that sk. You know that real slipper deck floor.

[Boston Conner]

You seen that Edelman Amendola thing?

[Pat McAfee]

That's. Oh, yeah. Shoulders. We get a timeout. Can we get 30? Stinger. You were dead two seconds ago. Nah, stinger. Double stinger. My worm. I was trying to figure out what should.

[AJ Hawk]

They want to move.

[AQ Shipley]

You go over there and they start doing. I'm good, I'm good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's good. It's just cramp. Must have been a cramp. Hydration. Need to get back out there. Yeah, that was. And that was one good teammate. Shout out to Ewol.

[AQ Shipley]

Shout out, ewol.

[Pat McAfee]

This motherfucker's dead. We're not putting him back out there. He. He said he has a stinger. He not A Stinger guy had his eyes closed, what, 45 seconds out, literally. Thought. Thought we had to get a body belt bag for the guy. There's no idea what play we're running right now. Diva, get your ass out of here. Stinger. All right, see you later.

[Ian Rapoport]

That still happened. Are guys still fighting through stuff like that?

[Pat McAfee]

I hope.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I would think so.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, definitely.

[Pat McAfee]

I hope it's not good, obviously.

[Boston Conner]

I mean, we.

[Ian Rapoport]

No, it's not.

[Pat McAfee]

During college, if I'm building a team, if I'm. If I'm an owner. I mean, we just talked about arch right there. Literally, my team, I like guys to say its thing if they get knocked out. With that being said, I would like us to have good medical stuff. I'd like to have good eyes to make sure that that does not. Yeah, exactly. We need a couple unaffiliated. Neurological.

[AQ Shipley]

Unaffiliated.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

You remember our.

[Ian Rapoport]

Those unaffiliated should be former players.

[Pat McAfee]

Go back here. Oh, yeah. Coaches.

[AJ Hawk]

Coaches also are supposed to do that.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the ox job. So I would like to say, if I was an owner, I would invest. Invest in uncs. Okay. But I would be looking for players that would be trying to lie to the Youngs. That is the goal.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. Colts got one, too. I mean, I've never seen anyone hit their head as hard as Tyler Warren on the sideline in the Orange Bull.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Boston Conner]

That was the back of his head and it was on like the tarped area a little to the left of the sideline. Yeah, he was back in. In the game. I thought he was done for the entire game. He's back in the game. Two points later.

[Pat McAfee]

Jackson Dart. We talk about him. Yeah. Against Florida, Right? Is that who it was? Against Florida, Clearly.

[AJ Hawk]

Speculation.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[Boston Conner]

Will.

[Ty Schmidt]

Will hard.

[Pat McAfee]

Will Howard gets knocked out right back in Michigan.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, it's Riley Leonard actually in that same game against Penn State.

[Pat McAfee]

Early got.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. Decleded peanut butter and jelly came in.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

The 1 minute 20 drive before the half.

[Darius Butler]

Angeli national championship too. Riley Leonard, after that 17 play drive, he's going puking on the sideline and just like, you know.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So I think. Yes. What we're saying is. Yes, it is still Nico. Three helmets. Yeah, he's on his third helmet. He broke two helmets against you guys in that entire thing. That whole situation's weird. The Nico situation. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Big showcase game.

[Pat McAfee]

First.

[Darius Butler]

First week of the season. Saturday night, 11:00pm against Utah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, the Utes are tough. Always going to be tough. But it is at the Rose bowl as opposed to being in front of the biggest.

[AJ Hawk]

The muss. The mighty Utah students say mighty.

[Pat McAfee]

Must. Must. I thought it was the biggest us. I thought it was a bus or.

[Darius Butler]

If coach winning ham is going to ride his motorcycle.

[Pat McAfee]

Big great ride from Utah to la. Oh, try to hop right over there. Get on the Pacific. Yep.

[Darius Butler]

Pch.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is. Coast highway. Oh, my God. My wife both posted a photo of us from like six years ago. We're on a bike. It was such a good time. You know, if they could take care of these roads, it would be nice to get back on that motorcycle.

[Boston Conner]

Yes, it would.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, there's people riding in Indiana, and I'm like, at red lights, I'm rolling it down like so. You just. Are you just looking the whole time straight down like this? Just trying to avoid these trenches that we have across the streets around.

[Boston Conner]

I mean, even when Kyle Larson came in and he had a McLaren, it's like, how do you drive a car like that in Indiana? Like, it would just get ruined.

[Pat McAfee]

How many tires did you burst on your way here? Two. Just two.

[Boston Conner]

Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

These streets have. I think everybody's gotten right. They've gotten all of us. They've gotten me two tires. I think my.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Tesla got one. I think I. When I had a Tesla, I got one. One. Well, who's. Nobody. It's on you, bud.

[Darius Butler]

Your Bentley was just sitting in the parking lot with a flat tire for.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. Docs had 12 flat tires.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He doesn't know it, though. This guy's rolling around on these rims.

[Ian Rapoport]

On the Escalade. On his sweet Escalade.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I walked outside.

[AJ Hawk]

He's giving m a real run.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

We haven't figured driving with a cube as a tire.

[AQ Shipley]

2025. How we still get flat tires?

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see the. You got to get that alien spray.

[AQ Shipley]

Alien spray?

[Ian Rapoport]

What is that?

[AQ Shipley]

I did not.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you sprayed in all the tires. You're good.

[Darius Butler]

Good to go.

[Pat McAfee]

It's the new flex seal. It's the new flex seal.

[Ian Rapoport]

I do fix a flat. My tires all the time when they're always leaking. So yeah, I jam it in there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I'm not scared to do a little fix a flat. I think the alien spray is what we need to go to next. I saw a lady just spraying it into the sky to showcase the bottom puddle. I don't know what it sealed up, but certainly something. It really. I saw somebody driving a car through a pot or maybe a. No, the flexio was the boat. The boat? Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah, the screen.

[Pat McAfee]

Screen. Remember that? Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Slice the bottom out of the boat and then flex seal it all back up.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It feels like alien sprays coming for.

[Darius Butler]

Flexi, without a doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, look, the exact same.

[AJ Hawk]

As good as a spokesman for that.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know who was doing the alien spring.

[Ian Rapoport]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, that's Jim Gator.

[Boston Conner]

Big time.

[Pat McAfee]

Do it yourself Instagram influencer. He's awesome.

[Boston Conner]

They got Jim Gator.

[AQ Shipley]

I gotta see this guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Massive Florida Gator fan. He's usually decked out in blue and orange.

[Ian Rapoport]

I watch his stuff on Instagram. He's great.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[Ian Rapoport]

He fixes everything.

[Peter Schrager]

Told you.

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know it was jmg A T O R. I seen this guy.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, he's great. Check out his Instagram page. He's legit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Amen. Jim Gator. Yeah, man.

[Ian Rapoport]

I didn't know he went corporate.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he got a deal. He created this. It's not corporate, man. Look, he went through a car wash. You see that? That's what he said.

[Darius Butler]

Right now.

[Ian Rapoport]

Still holding up.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you see that? It's totally dry. Dry.

[AJ Hawk]

That's Gator's wife.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that a Gator fam?

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, that's Mrs. Gator. Okay.

[Ian Rapoport]

I might start sealing my gutters and stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. This is the new Flexo. I just saw this yesterday and I'll tell you what. Jim Gator sold the out of it. Gotta wait for the time and I. The commercial where she's just spraying it into the sky. That's really good. I think. Oh, my. Look at that.

[Darius Butler]

There it is.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is. Oh, that's not.

[Ian Rapoport]

That's a screen. Oh, it's a screen.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, wow. I didn't see the rest of that commercial got cut off there.

[AJ Hawk]

Who's this guy?

[Pat McAfee]

That's Gator boy.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, one of Gator's understudies.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a young gator.

[Boston Conner]

Little Gator.

[Pat McAfee]

That's young Gator. Oh, that's. That's a little Gator.

[Darius Butler]

That's Little Gator.

[Pat McAfee]

Speaking of, I think he's an alligator hunt coming up.

[Darius Butler]

Is there?

[Pat McAfee]

I think so.

[Boston Conner]

See you there.

[Pat McAfee]

I think there you can fill in concrete cracks too. I don't think. Oh, wow.

[Darius Butler]

I actually didn't do that.

[Ian Rapoport]

I. I mean, I have a lot of flex too. I might have to get some of this too.

[Pat McAfee]

This is it. This. Did they get the. Did they just get.

[Darius Butler]

Take the patent Patents do run out. It wouldn't do that.

[AQ Shipley]

No way.

[Ian Rapoport]

Jim don't care what Flex Seal has tape. They have the rubber stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't think Jim Gator got taping rubber?

[Ian Rapoport]

Obviously not yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yet.

[Ian Rapoport]

Not in this infomercial.

[Boston Conner]

Jim Gate is like Jordan. You kind of just give him the ball and you tell him to go score. You know, he's not. He doesn't have a script. He's just going there.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he created that alien sprint.

[Boston Conner]

Huge chance.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Back there in the Gator kitchen. What you say?

[AQ Shipley]

No, I thought he was going to put bunch of water in that bucket.

[Pat McAfee]

He did.

[Darius Butler]

That was a miss. That was a myth on his part.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he's just telling you what it could be.

[Boston Conner]

Okay, bucket. It works again.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's what he said.

[AQ Shipley]

I believe. Hey, I believe that guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Nick. So you fellow Lagoons dude.

[Boston Conner]

Lucas Lagoons.

[Pat McAfee]

Look, Lagoons. Lucas Lagoons.

[Darius Butler]

I go.

[Pat McAfee]

You. You follow Mr. Gator here.

[Boston Conner]

He also follows man and old woman from Lucas Lagoons.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so we follow the entire team. Any other random things?

[Ian Rapoport]

Train man. You should follow a French train man. He's really good.

[Pat McAfee]

French drain man.

[Ian Rapoport]

You know French drain, You know like perforated pipe you put bury in the ground. Gravel, you put the fabric. Yeah, he does great work all over.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you follow Frank Moraldo?

[Ian Rapoport]

No. Does he do French trains?

[Pat McAfee]

It's concrete, brother. He could knock one out if need be. Yeah, concrete is outrageous. Every once in a while he'll put a video up and you can tell he's proud of what they did. Oh yeah, just a scam.

[Ian Rapoport]

He posts it up, he puts it online for everybody.

[Boston Conner]

Everybody.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's great. Follow. Okay. It's a great follow. Good concrete. Good concrete.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, it's funny you ask Pat, I was thinking.

[Peter Schrager]

And recently our friend AP Tone Tone.

[Pat McAfee]

Diggs introduced me to this account, Santo llc.

[Peter Schrager]

It's all about cars getting stuck on.

[Pat McAfee]

The beaches down in Florida. And they've got a.

[Peter Schrager]

A whole tow crew that comes out on the beach.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Santo to. Yeah. I didn't know if it was like golden toe like you guys. They get them out of the sand, everybody's stuck.

[Peter Schrager]

It's great.

[Pat McAfee]

The McDonald's snack wrap is back. You brought it back.

[Boston Conner]

Ranch snack wrap, Spicy snack wrap.

[Pat McAfee]

You broke the Internet for a snack? Snack wrap is back.

[AQ Shipley]

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[Pat McAfee]

I like that. They got me some real jams in there.

[Peter Schrager]

Sometimes.

[AJ Hawk]

They got me. I. I just bought a bunch of tow ropes. They're in my.

[Pat McAfee]

Just in case.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, just in case.

[Pat McAfee]

That's smart because we got a lot of beaches around here.

[Boston Conner]

So whenever we get those potholes, one of those.

[Pat McAfee]

You got a winch on your truck?

[AJ Hawk]

No, I do not have a wrench, but that's why I got. Yeah, that's why I got a. A soft, soft buckle.

[Boston Conner]

Of course.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's all good. You would never understand. We would never understand even. Sorry.

[AJ Hawk]

A soft shackle.

[Pat McAfee]

Have you seen that jeep that I bought for $100,000 down there in.

[AJ Hawk]

Mika, you want to go to. We'll tow it right after the show.

[Pat McAfee]

Tow it? Yeah, right. That thing's pulling you, brother. I got. I got things on the front and the back.

[AJ Hawk]

My truck will pull your jeep backwards.

[Pat McAfee]

Your truck will not touch my goddamn jeep. If we're going to strap that thing up, I'm pulling you to another time. No, that thing hasn't been turned on in years. It's ready. It is ready to pull your truck for that thing. What was that cafe? My truck. Pull your truck.

[Boston Conner]

That was at the dugout in Fountain Square.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, my truck. Pull your truck back. Where?

[Boston Conner]

First there's my ex husband.

[Pat McAfee]

Beat his ass. Two o' clock in the afternoon.

[Darius Butler]

Two o' clock in the afternoon, Sunday.

[Boston Conner]

It was the greatest interaction I've ever been a part of in public.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy pulls up in a big truck, downtown, Indianapolis. One part of huge truck. It must have been like a 350. It appeared, you know, had big diesel powered as well.

[Peter Schrager]

Couple custom modifications.

[Pat McAfee]

You could tell. Yeah, you could tell. These guys loved his strike. It did have dualies. Yeah, the whole thing. Thing. He pulls up his ex wife, I guess, is there with another guy. And that guy has a truck too, I guess. And that ain't compared to the truck that he had. And then the ex wife, she was not trying to calm things down?

[Boston Conner]

No, no.

[Pat McAfee]

She didn't want the trucks to fight. She wanted them to fight.

[AJ Hawk]

And what these videos. Is the. Is the lady ever trying to calm it down or is she trying to insert herself at all times?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, she's dropped. Fight for her current man, it appears. But at that exact moment, I don't think she was trying to fight at all. I think she was trying to get them to go ahead and scrap right there in front of all of us. And wintertime. I mean, the guy got up, he.

[Boston Conner]

Had a backwards hat on cargoes and flip flops, and he was heading over to that truck to beat her ex husband's ass.

[Pat McAfee]

He was.

[Boston Conner]

He was ready. Now, I didn't.

[Pat McAfee]

The ex husband actually utilized the power he had under that hood and got out of there. But he looked pissed. Would that truck look, I think there was probably a gun in there. If I had to guess. If he turned around right there, it was probably a couple different options. So I'm happy none of that took place. We're just trying to enjoy espresso martini in the afternoon.

[Boston Conner]

That was awesome. I wish we could go back to that moment. Just having the phones out, like filming already.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

So that we could capture the whole thing.

[Pat McAfee]

I wish more things like that would happen in front of us. Agreed. Anytime I see these things on the Internet, like, these types of moments are always like. Like, what did I do?

[AJ Hawk]

It's a shooting star.

[Pat McAfee]

Why can't you put me in one of these?

[Boston Conner]

You get. You get different moments now. Better ones that require you to now build a gate.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's. It's a great neighborhood. I'm in a great neighborhood. Yeah, but is it normal for people just to walk and drive through your driveway? Like just, ah, yeah, this is our world.

[Boston Conner]

Stand in your yard.

[Pat McAfee]

Just stand in my yard.

[Ian Rapoport]

Like, turn around your driveway.

[Pat McAfee]

Not just turn. Just hey, let's hang out here.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, more so like, hey, pretty good view here.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll take some photos of the house then. It's a nice house. Holy.

[Ian Rapoport]

People are ballsy. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It's private property. The. You know, there's a big sign at the end of the thing, but that's what I thought I was moving into. It's not.

[Boston Conner]

I was. Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

I got a park. I. I run a park. I guess in the house, people just come hang out, ride their bikes, park, work them. God. And fish off my yard. Yeah. Good. These people get hurt. I'm getting sued for everything.

[Boston Conner]

That's the other thing about fishing off the back. They don't have to be in your yard to fish near your place. I mean, what was the light? You had the lights.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. We had a guy night fishing the other night out in the lake. It was awesome. Just had a splunker light on like you did when you're cutting your grass at midnight.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And he was just spotlighting my house.

[Ian Rapoport]

Just every time he was out on a boat or. Or where was he?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, out on a boat. Anytime he would lift his head up, you see, he was just spotlighting my house, you know, 11:30, midnight, no problem. Just a spotlight coming in my windows. I'm like, we're in fucking war right now. What, what, What? Did I get swatted? I thought I got swatted. Go out there. Nope. Just so I go out. Hey, man, I hope you catch everything you guys are looking for out there. Can you please stop putting the spotlight in my house? You know, dogs are going crazy, got daughter sleeping. I hope you catch everything. You do whatever the you need to do. But if you're going to do that, can you just, can you shoot to the other side of the, can you get, angle it down?

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, angle it down a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

I think they caught a lot. There was a lot of this.

[AJ Hawk]

Was he, was he understanding?

[Ian Rapoport]

Did you fire a few warning shots out there?

[Pat McAfee]

They laughed. They laughed. They, they didn't even, obviously didn't even think about where that light. Oh, sorry. Good people. All these people are good people. But it's just like 9 o' clock at night. Why are you just standing in my driveway taking photos of my house? You know, like, is that, that's weird. That feels like. Yeah, yeah. But I'm the bad guy for saying, no, you're not. I am, I am.

[Boston Conner]

Next time, just remember Bryce Harper.

[Ian Rapoport]

Not to any rational human, you're not.

[Pat McAfee]

I do maybe need to take a.

[Boston Conner]

Bat out there, take a page out of this book.

[Darius Butler]

Get the out of my driveway.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Just the whole whole thing.

[Boston Conner]

If you want to talk about salary.

[Pat McAfee]

Cap, dude rode a bike. Okay. Down this private property once. I cannot keep saying this enough. Private property, where we are at. Long road down to it. Dude rides his bike, parks it in my driveway. Kickstand right in front of my house, Walks out into my field, lays a blanket down. Lays a blanket down in my yard. Wow. Pops out a book, has a glass of wine. Living his life. Just, he had to think.

[Ian Rapoport]

So he thought it was like a park.

[Pat McAfee]

Park. I have no idea. I, I, I.

[Ian Rapoport]

Either way, whether he thought it was a partner. He knew it was your yard. It's a problem.

[Pat McAfee]

55 years old, whatever it was, he was an adult. This was not like a child. Just showed up with a, had a little bag. Let me go get some water, read a book. Blanket in my yard.

[Boston Conner]

It's impossible to think it's a park too. Like there's. You drive by a garage, it's private.

[Ian Rapoport]

Like there's, it's a whole paintball gun.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, so that's a whole nother Thing like I don't want to be bad.

[Ian Rapoport]

Neighbor here and freeze them.

[Pat McAfee]

Feels like. Previous owner, it's a little bit older, definitely frozen. If we're shooting them out there, not going to do that. Previous owner of house. I think they had kids are older and out of the house. So I think they enjoyed potential, like.

[Ian Rapoport]

But they probably knew them. If you know them, it's different.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if they know them, to be honest. I don't know how you know that many people that are coming through. So I move in and it's like, this ain't how this goes. I got a fucking tuna old that would like to hang out. And also I got a lot of people that say they want to kill me on a regular basis. I assume you're not one of the people that wants to kill me. Of course. Hopefully. Are you? You're at my house at 11 o' clock at night, standing in my driveway all by yourself, taking pictures of my house. What are you doing? Are you planning to do it? So now I'm the. It's an interesting dynamic. I will say it's an interesting dynamic in this whole world, you know, it's an interesting thing and lucky to do it. Lucky to have have it. I don't think people should be having picnics in my yard though.

[Darius Butler]

No, probably not.

[Pat McAfee]

Just. Just not if any of them get hurt. Like that's my. My biggest fear is like, oh, this is. And you're going to. Now you own them.

[Boston Conner]

No, no worry. Trespassing with the signs.

[Pat McAfee]

You're.

[Boston Conner]

You're off the hook for stuff like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Darius Butler]

I don't know if the city would be okay with it, but you could maybe set up like a sentry gun or something. Something like that. And like at 11 o' clock you just turn that thing on and if somebody you know is trespassing out of your yard actual. Yeah, yeah. Like a real sentry.

[AJ Hawk]

Did you ever see Congo?

[Pat McAfee]

No. Oh yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

They set up those sentry guns and. And the gorillas came at night for them. Those gorillas were in for something.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't. I also don't want to be that neighbor though, you know, like I'm in a. It's a. I'll tell you, my wife. Wife does not love it. I will say Samantha does not enjoy random people just showing up at her house, taking pictures of it and hanging out for a while. A little bit alarming, but you know, maybe we get used to it.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe we just let them in the house.

[Darius Butler]

There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe we should Open the door.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, we got an extra bedroom if.

[Pat McAfee]

You guys want to come in. Hey, we happen to live in the same zip code. I guess so. Just come on in. Come on in.

[Darius Butler]

What's mine is yours.

[Ian Rapoport]

Let him read a book on the couch.

[Pat McAfee]

And I'm sure you.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm sure you know, you need.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm sure you're not somebody that hates my guts, in which there are a lot.

[AJ Hawk]

Val and Chuck are great. Needed an actual.

[Darius Butler]

Got Doberman.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

Get a couple of them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

Shepherd.

[Ian Rapoport]

I mean, that is real. Absolutely.

[AJ Hawk]

And they will patrol the property.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe I get one of those shepherd wolves. It's not a bad idea.

[Ian Rapoport]

Get Belgium Alamo. That thing will fly out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Have you seen the video that's been going viral about the difference between a male and a shepherd?

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, I had both. I've had both of them.

[Pat McAfee]

So they have. So you haven't seen the video, though. You just happen. They both exist.

[Ian Rapoport]

I saw the video. Shepherd went around it, and the Malinois said, shoot, I'm going straight.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, that is exactly right. There was a room full of, like, wheelchairs, chairs, and wheels. Like, we have right here, maybe a hundred of them. Somebody in the corner, in the back corner. And the shepherd, like, finds a path around the chair. Very impressive. To get side. Boom. And then they let this Belgian malo. What is it?

[Ian Rapoport]

Malinois.

[Pat McAfee]

This thing from where it's standing, jumps up, runs on top of the chairs, and just. Yeah, it was insane. It was absolutely. These are the new dogs. I think if any of them were going to smell Covid, it would have been the mao. The Belgian, not the German dogs. Great dog. German Shepherd. Shepherds are great dogs. But this Belgium one, I guess they're a little wired. You found both of them, you said?

[Ian Rapoport]

Oh, yeah, I had. Yeah, I had a Belgium mountain we got when she was two years old, she did all that. I had great videos of her doing everything. Jumping up, you know, climbing walls, biting things.

[Pat McAfee]

It's great. They're. Are they the dogs that did the dog sports? Remember whenever they used to do the dock jumping? You ever see those dogs?

[Ian Rapoport]

They don't. They can jump, but they don't. You don't really see those very often in that. Like, they're. They're military dogs. They jump out. They. They're strapped to dudes jumping out of airplanes and stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

And they have night vision goggles on these dogs and just landing. Parachute. We going this way? Yeah. All right, let's do this. And there's off and run. Dogs are special. They really Are.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. I feel like greyhounds are usually the ones that are doing those.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think so.

[Boston Conner]

Running. The runnings into the water, the jump.

[AJ Hawk]

They are the sprinters. The greyhounds are.

[Pat McAfee]

The sprinters are huge. They're like so size of horses. Greyhounds are gigantic horse border collies.

[Darius Butler]

I know.

[Pat McAfee]

Are.

[Darius Butler]

Are leapers like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Pit bulls, too. Right. Aren't pit bulls really good climbers? I think pit bulls have, like, incredible.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. They always show those videos. Like, they'll hang something and they'll. Yeah. Like, run off the wall and then get it. Like. Like a piece of meat that's hanging down from, like, a, you know, deal.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you send in a dog jumping?

[AJ Hawk]

No, I. I found the shepherd.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. This. The videos run this thing. Look at this. We don't have it. Okay. There's the shepherd. Smart. Let's go ahead. I'm gonna go get this piece of your mind. That's good. Here's the mile. And. Yep. Bam. Right to you.

[Boston Conner]

Jeez.

[Pat McAfee]

When you talk about blinders on.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

All. Literally all that dog saw. What arm am I trying to get? Oh, it's right there. There. Why did. Why did George the German go around all these things? You just go right through this. I'm about sick of it. Yep. There we go. Good luck.

[AJ Hawk]

Sounds like you need to get a couple of them.

[Pat McAfee]

I do need them.

[Ian Rapoport]

Be sweet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Two of them. I saw a video, so I already have one, I think. Okay.

[Darius Butler]

And then just get that. The collar on there. Just keep them.

[AJ Hawk]

I saw a video of four dogs in the driveway with this dude's little daughter and some not random guy. But one of their friends walks up to the driveway and all four dogs.

[Pat McAfee]

Walked up to him like, what's up, dude? Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. Mackenzie's relationship with our dogs are awesome. Yeah. And cats very cool. Her and the cats get along as well, these cats. Interesting. I like cats. I like the way they operate. You ever have a cat?

[Ian Rapoport]

I had a few that were outdoor situations for a while. That's it, though. I've never. I don't know. Cats kind of scare me, man. I'm still. I'm skittish around cats. I never grew up with one. Never been around him. No. Until then.

[Pat McAfee]

Me neither. Me neither. Never been around cats. Teddy, the first cat I've ever been around. Awesome. He's Garfield. He's actually Garfield.

[Boston Conner]

Great cat.

[Pat McAfee]

Great cat. Unbelievable. Fat, huge fat cat that just has a little pizzazz. Has a little pizzazz. We got Nova, who was a street cat. She's awesome. Her and Mackenzie have developed. And then we got Sebastian, this black cat that is just like. He's a he. He feels, he thinks he's a lie, you know. And when he walks in a room, he would like attention, you know. And if you don't, he will turn his ass around and he will come back like, he's like, excuse me. Nothing is said. Turn around. Okay. Then he'll come in. Then he'll jump up on a thing that's like 6ft high, land on it. Hello. And it's like, well hello Sebastian, how you doing? And he rubs his head on you. It's like good to see you. Cats are awesome. They take care of themselves. Elves, they in their own area. They piss in their own area. They got their own little water thing. They're basically.

[Ian Rapoport]

I respect them. I have a ton of respect for them. I just, I never. I don't know, I just. They're how sharp their teeth are and how small their mouth is and their claws. I just don't. I'm never that comfortable.

[Pat McAfee]

You never been around them?

[AQ Shipley]

No, not. Not much. But it creeped me out a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

So they also, when they get like really happy, they like start like rubbing their paws like this.

[AQ Shipley]

Maybe I've never been around like a happy cat.

[Pat McAfee]

All these cats are happy. They're fat as. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

The amount of cat stay to theirselves.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Scootsy, we have a three legged cat. She's awesome. She's great. That back things like a little runner.

[Darius Butler]

She's flying around.

[Pat McAfee]

You get a little catnip though. It's a show. They go crazy. They'll start middle of the night. It'll sound like we're in a goddamn Jungle book or. What was the. What was the movie? Robin Williams was in the museum. Jumanji.

[Boston Conner]

Oh, night at the museum.

[Pat McAfee]

Night at the museum. Maybe that is what it's like whenever they're all running. These four cats, every once in a while they'll sync up on what run they're going to do through the house. And it sounds like a stampede is coming into the bedroom. Like they are all running together and we have hard, hard floors and they are all on it. And they're all striding, I mean like striding out. And then one of them will have a rough stop. You know, normally scoots it because she's three legged but she's in front of. And they will slide right into a wall. Boom. And then, then you hear a. And then everybody like checks on them and then they head out to a new Place.

[AQ Shipley]

They're like a leader amongst them.

[Pat McAfee]

Sebastian. Sebastian's the leader. He's the fastest. Nova, I think is probably like the biggest dog out of all of them. Like, Nova would attack street cat.

[Boston Conner]

Best looking cat too.

[Pat McAfee]

Noa.

[Boston Conner]

Nova's like a veteran, very pristine.

[Ian Rapoport]

Nova was hanging out together.

[Pat McAfee]

All of them.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

Like, do they like sleep near each other and stuff?

[Pat McAfee]

So Sebastian and Scootsy friends, Teddy and Nova, the older ones kind of get along. Teddy. Teddy's not really about the shit. Teddy, you know, if he's running with him, I know he's either pissed off or they are chasing him. Like he is not really a part of the group. But Nova was in a dumpster, her at a Steak and Shake. And my wife stopped late night at the Steak and Shake and just opened the door and she just jumped in and it was like, well, you're my cat now. And she would. She. We had a dog that we were. When you're like watching it and gonna give it away.

[AJ Hawk]

Foster.

[Pat McAfee]

Fostering like a dog. And the dog like got mad at Valerie, our dog. And Valerie got mad at her too. I don't think Valerie liked this dog in the house. So like Valerie and this dog kind of get into it a little bit and I have to like separate them. And I come back and Nova is like, hair up at that dog. And I'm like, what the fuck are you gonna do, Nova? She starts like circling the dog and I'm like, oh, Nova would maybe die here, but she was at least gonna fight for it. So I think they have a little dog in them as well. I've been very impressed with my cat life that I have had with Sam. I don't know how many more, you know. Like we have four cats. That's a lot of cats.

[Ian Rapoport]

A couple of them old, they go and litter. They just. They just know to go in the litter box. Is that how it works?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Every once in a while Teddy though, we'll just drop a dump somewhere. That's Teddy.

[Boston Conner]

I think you could have Chuck do it.

[AJ Hawk]

Bill has 15 and he's allergic to him. He uses them as a blanket every night.

[Pat McAfee]

So is that real? Uses them as a blanket. I think they're holding him down on a bit.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that could be that.

[Pat McAfee]

So that's a deal. 15. I mean, every week he gets a new one. It's.

[Boston Conner]

They're all starved.

[AJ Hawk]

Someone's got to eat the bones.

[Pat McAfee]

They're not all starved. And that's not what. Let's get out of here. We're in Pittsburgh Tomorrow, come join us. Sorry, we're in Latrobe. Should be fun. Cast of a lot, I think coming through from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cannot wait to chit chat with them. Had some ex players reach out to us about being on the show. Don't think we're doing that this year. 2025 training camp. Just gonna be talking to a lot of the current operation. Will be great to see whoever's up there though. For sure. Cannot wait to see everybody up there. Good.

[AJ Hawk]

Maybe not good news. It looks like practice right now is being potentially rained out. Stormed out. So today was supposed. Today was first day of pads, which is normally when they do backs on backers and all the. And first and goal line and stuff like that. So potentially we get. Might get to see that tomorrow right.

[Pat McAfee]

After our show ends. They're right into practice. That's a perfect setup for us. Wow. Soon as show ends, we just get to go watch practice. That's a pretty.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Ideal. Ideal setup. Yeah. Then we head over to Canton for the Pro Football hall of Fame on Thursday. We'll be there. Come join us. You can park right on the highway, I think.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, legit.

[Pat McAfee]

You can tailgate on the highway. That's right outside of it. And I think you'll be able to.

[Darius Butler]

Our sets like on the exit. Right. So like you're.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're proven.

[Darius Butler]

You're all.

[Pat McAfee]

You're good. A.J. did you know that? I had no idea that there where.

[Ian Rapoport]

So I've been there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

I mean, it's. It's right off the highway. No question.

[Pat McAfee]

I did not know that it was that close. I mean, it is. It's 10ft in front of where this photo is. Is there. There's a highway. So I think we will. We. We are pumped and honored to get to go over there. I've never walked through the hall of fame. Have you, A.J.

[Ian Rapoport]

I'Ve never walked through. I've been there multiple times for kids games. You'll see there's a ton of turf fields off there in the back. They have turbo tournaments. But I've never actually walked through it.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that the hall of Fame is like an Ohio thing. You know, it's Ohio high school plays there. There's a bunch of kids tournaments that's happening there. I think the people that run it are Ohio people. Like, it's like, I think great state of football, Ohio to run the Pro Football hall of Fame. We cannot wait to get over there and experience it legitimately. Cannot wait to experience it. I've never been in.

[Boston Conner]

No, never.

[AQ Shipley]

Me either.

[Pat McAfee]

Never been there. We're supposed to play a game. Eric got canceled because I remember that.

[Ian Rapoport]

You'Re playing the packers and they painted the fields and it got all mushy and solid. Right. The paint congealed much worse than the paint. Well, what else?

[Pat McAfee]

It was paint. And then they put a tarp over top of it, and then I think they put a massive magnifying glass above it as well so that the sun would hit the magnifying glass and then it would do science. And then. Then somehow that was just on all of the paint in the entire field. So it was just, you know, paint. Then whenever they lifted it, it got air and it cooled off. So it hardened. Sure. So that was good. You know, that happen.

[AJ Hawk]

They forgot the catalyst for sure.

[Peter Schrager]

Happened at the shipyard all the time. No one would say they did it wrong.

[Pat McAfee]

What, the anti melt catalyst?

[Peter Schrager]

No, so the catalyst, if it's a tube component.

[Pat McAfee]

Paint.

[Peter Schrager]

The catalyst is what makes it go hard. And sometimes guys would forget to put that in and that would make it stay soft.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, so then the heat would only melt it even more. Yeah. And then whenever you up it and get wind on it and everything, then that's when it melts. And you would never hardens.

[Peter Schrager]

You would never find a painter who would admit that they didn't put the catalyst in.

[Pat McAfee]

No, of course, because the painter is the smartest in that particular conversation. Always. Are you a painter? You do the hall of fame.

[Darius Butler]

How many times you done this?

[Pat McAfee]

This Exactly.

[Darius Butler]

Okay, get the out of here. I know what I'm doing.

[Pat McAfee]

The sod father. Imagine them talking. Hey, what happened with the. Have you ever shut up? Okay. We're all in the same.

[Darius Butler]

I've been doing this for 70 years. How long you been on the gig?

[AJ Hawk]

We saw the sun, the sod son at the all star game.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. And they said, hey, there's a little bit more to that story.

[Boston Conner]

We don't talk about that.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, we literally got a hush, like, hey.

[Ian Rapoport]

It had an impact on the game. It had an impact.

[Pat McAfee]

Sodfather, though, did a lot of great things for football for a long time. Oh, yeah. People were saying, did he lose his magic at the end? And then he was saying, they didn't even let me do it, though. Kind of stolen valor, kind of using my name, but not really letting me do anything. And I would have done a little different. And the other guy said, what?

[Darius Butler]

We did what we did exactly what he told us to do.

[Pat McAfee]

Which goes right back to.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, how long you been doing this?

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Class of 2025 for the hall of Fame. Gonna celebrate the shit out of them this weekend starting on Thursday night. All these guys will join us in the first hour. Congrats to Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Antonio Gates and Sterling Sharp. Gapes. Jesus. Antonio Gates. Sorry. Kent State legend.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

When I went on my visit to Kent State there's an entire shrine basically too, so that's sweet. He was so good at basketball. Pretty close. Canton, I think so good. Good at football. Unbelievable. Obviously Philip Rivers just retired like four days ago. Five days ago. Congrats to him on incredible career. And congrats Antonio Gates and Sterling Sharp. He's going in. I know Shannon's been pitching for a long time for him.

[Darius Butler]

He's unbelievable. If first football jersey I ever had was Sterling Sharp, if he would have played long. Like his. His career got ended way too soon by injury. But godamn, he was good. He was so good.

[Pat McAfee]

We've never talked to Sterling Sharp. We've never talked to Antonio Gates.

[Darius Butler]

No, I don't think so.

[Pat McAfee]

Or Eric Allen.

[Darius Butler]

Nope.

[Pat McAfee]

Jared Allen will be last in the first hour because we know Jared Allen pretty good. And congrats to Jared Allen being hall of Famer. Yeah. Certainly worthy. Will you have a horse out there? There's a lot of horses in Ohio, right?

[Ian Rapoport]

He will. Oh, I think he will definitely have a horse.

[Pat McAfee]

He's very comfortable on that horse.

[Darius Butler]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You see that retirement video where he. He was act. I mean it was.

[AJ Hawk]

I assume he does a speech from it.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. That rope sack celebration wasn't. Wasn't gimmick.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Lobster said, you're not getting me. I'm going to rope myself. He did just ran around y. Did you think Jared Allen talks about that in his speech?

[AJ Hawk]

I hope so.

[Pat McAfee]

You think he says I like thank Dan Orlovsky, keep me relevant every single day. People understand how intimidating of a person I was on the field. Cuz they see you sprint your ass off. Right. Right out of the back of that end zone. Every other day during the football season, Dan Orlovsky gets that tweeted to him every other day. That's crazy. Dan Orlovsky says, I don't know if this quarterback is in the same league as these other guys and everybody. Oh, is that right, Dan? What happened here?

[Ian Rapoport]

Tough spot.

[Pat McAfee]

Every day Dan.

[Ian Rapoport]

Tough spot.

[Pat McAfee]

Lost that game by two points. Oh, oh no. Yeah, but that would have went to overtime and who knows.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. Guys won two games that year, so.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you guys lost a lot of games by a lot of points. They were really bad then. Well, that's not.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, Dan Orlovski was qb. We know you were bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay folks, what's that all about?

[AQ Shipley]

Dan O takes a lot of shots. I don't like that.

[Pat McAfee]

He does. And he just stands right in there. He just stands right in there.

[Peter Schrager]

He does talk reckless though.

[Pat McAfee]

Does he says something?

[Peter Schrager]

He says some things that are pretty out of pocket.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he's like to perfect depiction of like. Yeah, I have an opinion. Just as you know, just in general. Hey, you want to talk? Yeah, I have an opinion. Hey, you might not know a lot about this particular situation you want. Yeah, I do.

[Boston Conner]

I know a bunch then if Dan.

[AQ Shipley]

Talks about it, Dan knows about it.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he's done his research that has led him to how he feels and every once in a while everybody's going to disagree with him.

[Darius Butler]

That's why they're paying him a big bucks.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why I got a new deal done. Exactly ten subtweets later, Dan Orlovsky back.

[Boston Conner]

With the big bucks.

[Pat McAfee]

Dan, what a career.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, he's good man.

[Pat McAfee]

Legitimately. Yeah, I'm pumped for him.

[Ian Rapoport]

He started just breaking down. Remember back in the day when he would just break down plays like on his phone, he'd film himself.

[Pat McAfee]

Twitter. Yeah, we remember. Yeah, we remember. Dan called him falling asleep in the first 10 seconds of your. You need to do something. He's gotten really good at that. Yes, he's very good. I would say Dan Orlovsky very good on tv. Right? I think we all say that.

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. I don't know if you say that about a lot of people, us included. It's like Dan's very good at tv. Whenever he sits down and they throw one in there. All right, is this going to be a war with everybody or is this going to be like a. You know what, I didn't think of that. That's Dan Orlovsky.

[AQ Shipley]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy ran out of the back of the end zone or. Thank you Dan for saying what we're all thinking. And that's literally minute to minute. I think for Dan Rosky that's take to take.

[Boston Conner]

Oh yeah. Show to show.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Minute to minute. Maybe cuz somebody else can add in something. Oh yeah, I forgot. And then just ruined everything. You'll see him give a little bias towards people he's friends with though. Sure. You don't like Arthur Smith. You don't like Arthur Smith's offense. Something does, doesn't it feel like there's something there? How's Aaron and Arthur gonna get along? Two strong personalities. Middle of the season. I guess we'll see. That's what. That's what Dano's take was on the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Boston Conner]

I mean, I assumed the OC job came down to Arthur and Dano and so he's just.

[Pat McAfee]

For the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Boston Conner]

For the Steelers. So of course he has a crush. It makes sense to me.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a chance that Steelers were gonna hire Dan Orlovsky as the offense coordinator. Dano feels this goes in Dan Orlovsky's next offense coordinator for the three Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay. Ten years from now. Okay. Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm not head coach.

[Pat McAfee]

This goes in Dan Orlovsky's the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers goes car. Tomlin Orlovsky. Yeah. A lot of pressure.

[Boston Conner]

Come on, you got this.

[Pat McAfee]

Ah, thank God.

[Darius Butler]

Tony.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, sorry.

[AJ Hawk]

As he was. Thank God. Gosh.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's do the Colts next. All right. I like what Shane Stan's cooking.

[AQ Shipley]

Huh?

[Pat McAfee]

Don't you? I love it.

[Ian Rapoport]

What's this? What's this for?

[Pat McAfee]

This is for Dan Orlofski to be a head coach of the Indianapolis Colts 10 years from now. Okay. Years from now or when four Super.

[AJ Hawk]

Bowls before that, when the job opens.

[Pat McAfee]

10, 15 years from now after four Super Bowls by Shane Stan in this Indianapolis Colts team, Dan Orlovski announced as the new head coach of the Colts. If this goes in. Okay.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought that was it.

[AQ Shipley]

Look good.

[Boston Conner]

Look good.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God. All right, let's do the New England Patriots.

[Boston Conner]

Oh, we.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Boston Conner]

Fre was going to be there for 20 years. Let's be real.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So when that's over.

[Boston Conner]

Okay. Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Coach Roski, you'd say, hey, coach. Oh, you'd actually. New tattoo. Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Coach Orlovsky. Every fudging day.

[Boston Conner]

Bingo.

[Darius Butler]

I said that yesterday.

[AQ Shipley]

That's the one.

[AJ Hawk]

We're gonna show up.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Boston Conner]

Yesterday, today, tomorrow.

[Ian Rapoport]

Every fudging day.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, wow. Congrats. He's coming home to New England. Yep.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Boston Conner]

I'm gonna kill myself.

[Pat McAfee]

On that note. Let's get out of here. Don't say that. Don't do that.

[Boston Conner]

I can't do that.

[Pat McAfee]

It's not what it's about 20 years from now.

[Boston Conner]

So I still got plenty of time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Just like the MLB. Just like MLB has plenty of time for this new CBA. That's right. December of 2026.

[AJ Hawk]

Does Jet know that's next year? That's pretty, pretty close.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And these deals can get done early.

[Boston Conner]

NBA does it early. Damn near every time.

[Pat McAfee]

The NHL too, right? Did the NHL get. I don't know if the NFL will Ever get it done early? Do we even have somebody to negotiate one of these?

[AQ Shipley]

Last league to miss a year.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And it killed them. They. They were dead for like four or five years. It. It really killed the league. And MLB had a work stoppage right when.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, middle 90s.

[Peter Schrager]

94, I believe that's what he said.

[Pat McAfee]

The 94 World Series changed because players opted out of playing or whatever. It's like they've had a work stoppage and that killed. It kills. The Die Hards will be there on the other side. Like, I think the Diodes will be there on the side. They'll be jaded, they'll be pissed, but they'll be here on the other side. It's like everybody else gets just like, ah, off, basically. Like, that's how people. We got billionaires and millionaires fighting each other and they're gonna take these people is how like the majority casuals feel. That is okay. That's like when the XFL guys came out, we're holding out. It's like, shut the up. That is literally how everybody feels. I'm not. That is not me speaking to you directly. That is just an immediate reaction to you whenever you say that. And it's like, Dwayne Johnson probably thought the same thing. I mean, you know, he wouldn't say, but it's like the fans thought it and probably the league thought. And that thing kind of ended quickly too. You know, I think somebody was like, hey, you're the 150th best quarterback in the United States of America. That is why you were here. Let's go ahead and shut the fuck up and just be happy that we're playing football for a living. That is what a casual person says. And I will say, as somebody who is a very normal casual person, I didn't watch because of that. Like, I legitimately. You guys think you lost friend of ours $30 million last year and then you're going to tell them, we need a little more money. Why don't you complete a pass? Why don't you look like a quarterback so we can have a league here before we worry about how much money. Same thing with the wnba that as soon as that comes out, casuals, and I'm not saying they care about casuals at all. I don't think they do. But let's just say they care about casuals for a second and not hate casuals that watch their league. They. As soon as casuals hear that, it's like, okay, well, not going to tune into this. Let's just move along. The work stoppage thing not good for sports fans like that is just not the case. But the players got to do what players got to do and I think the owners feel the exact same way. So it's just kind of like dog chasing tail situation. You just got to hope both sides want to get a deal done. But I'll tell you what, both of them are grabbing bats, telling each other to get the hell out of the clubhouse. I don't know brother. I don't know how that's going to go over there.

[Darius Butler]

And that's good start though. You get. If you, if guys like you know, Bryce and Aaron Judge and you know sh.

[Ty Schmidt]

If.

[Darius Butler]

If they're the ones who are like really leading that charge, being like you guys, I mean those are the biggest stars in the league. You know, that's why the NBA because for the longest time they had like their biggest stars were on the executive committee of the pa. How do you.

[Pat McAfee]

Think the fans feel?

[Darius Butler]

I think it's tougher in the NFL and MLB because like you said like.

[Pat McAfee]

We look, you said the MLB right there.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. I mean in that contact. And I also don't care, you know, if you want to come at me for that, you can suck my dick. But so you know, it's like. Yeah, it's just. I. I don't give a.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a little aggressive. Well, you know, I mean they could I guess.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, sometimes you have to. But like hockey we see those contract, these guys are making like the best players are making like 8 to 9 million dollars a year. Like it's a little bit different in football and baseball when you see guys that have, have 750 million dollar contract. So I think even like some of the most die hard fans are like you guys make enough money like make some concessions so we don't lose a season. But then you can see it from those guys perspective. It's like a guy like Judge or Bryce Harper. It's like hey, I'm in the prime of my career right now. SK A guy like Ski.

[Pat McAfee]

SK has not hit his big deal.

[Darius Butler]

He hasn't had a big deal yet. Exactly. So it's like why the. I'm. I'm putting up numbers that, that have never been seen before in the history of baseball. Why do I need to be the guinea pig to be like oh you know what that you're right, we should do a salary cap and I'll take 250 million less dollars than what I've earned. And what guys two years ago were Making like. It's just. I don't know. I. I don't.

[Boston Conner]

You don't.

[Darius Butler]

I don't blame those guys.

[Pat McAfee]

It happened in the NFL whenever they changed the draft payment. But those guys weren't already in the league. This would completely shin bash all your stars.

[Darius Butler]

Right?

[Pat McAfee]

So they're going to be the loudest.

[Darius Butler]

And baseball is different too, because the teams have basically, like ownership over these players for a long time. So guys, yeah, they get massive deals, but a lot of times, like, you've already put in six to seven. Yeah, six to seven to eight years of service time before you actually get that massive contract. And again, again with like, look at, you know, if, if judge. Like, luckily he only has like a little, you know, UCL strain. He's only gonna be out for 10 days. If he has to have Tommy John, he. He's missing the next 18 months. Like, he's missing a full season. So it's like any day these guys could. And then you might not be the same guy when you come back. So it's like you need to get paid when you have that opportunity.

[Pat McAfee]

Good luck to all the boys out there. Including. Including Rob Manford. Yeah. How about Jed passing being like, rob Manford did not just exit the clubhouse. Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

He fired one back.

[Pat McAfee]

He said like that. The did you say to me.

[Boston Conner]

Why don't you shut the up, Bryce?

[Pat McAfee]

Look around, bub. This is my league. I'm going to be here longer than you. You know what?

[Boston Conner]

Take up. Take off all your clothes. Those are mine. And get the out of here.

[Darius Butler]

That would have been awesome if you would have just like knocked over a big thing of baseballs. These are mine. Yeah, Pick them up.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm about to get just a G bottle.

[Darius Butler]

That's mine.

[Pat McAfee]

That's mine.

[Boston Conner]

Goes and grabs like a hundred bats.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, just try.

[Boston Conner]

These are mine. See you later.

[Pat McAfee]

What a scene. And the fact that that got out immediately. Yeah, that was. As I was reading, I'm like, did this just happen? Yeah. Yep, just happened. Somebody was in there. Holy, man. You should see what just took place. And then jet passing. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. Rob Manford. Price Harper. Yeah, yeah. How much more information can I get?

[AJ Hawk]

Something like this hasn't happened since the Starbucks incident at the 2025 Scouting Combine.

[Pat McAfee]

No real implications on that one, though, right? Got out quick, though.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. Schultz didn't drop. Drop an F bomb and rap sheet, like cried and called his mom or something?

[Darius Butler]

No, we called NFL security.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, no, no, they called him. They called him and then he said, yeah, he came up to me in Starbucks, and everybody was painting it as Rappaport called his dad because Jordan Schultz went into his dad's place and yelled at Ian Rappaport. And Rapport says, can we please do some journalism here? I was asked if I was accosted. I said, yes. That's what I thought I was supposed to do because they were showing me a video of me getting yelled at by Jordan Schultz and Starbucks. And that turned into Ian Rapport's little baby.

[AJ Hawk]

Back in that situation, Jordan Schultz took his coffee, said, give me that coffee.

[Pat McAfee]

It's mine.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, that's mine dad's.

[Pat McAfee]

You're right. That's mine dad's. That's mine dad's. Dad's.

[Darius Butler]

Then he realized what he done. He's like, now I got to go do it to everyone in here. Hey, sorry. That's mine dad's.

[Pat McAfee]

That's mine dad. That's mine. Turn the lights off. All of it. That's mine. Everybody out.

[Boston Conner]

I'm using this as an office today. It's mine Dads.

[Pat McAfee]

So I need two Americanos before you leave. Make on Mine. That's.

[AQ Shipley]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Machine.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's crazy. He's an NFL insider.

[Boston Conner]

Well, he's not, so. What do you mean?

[Pat McAfee]

What? Let's get out of here. He is. Is. He's still firing him off? Yeah. What do you mean he's firing him off?

[Boston Conner]

I agree.

[Pat McAfee]

Be your friend. Tell. What would Tim say?

[Boston Conner]

Tim would say, shut the up.

[Pat McAfee]

That guy doesn't know about. We watch Talk on a Zip Line. Yep, Yep. Have you seen this video of Talk on a Zip Line? This weekend, he want the Super Duper Lake fun Talk time. Have you heard about this?

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah. Okay. I didn't realize that was talk. I think, when I watched it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he put his feet up. He did the.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, yep. Tim Robinson little spin when he's done.

[Pat McAfee]

And then at the end, he lifted his feet up and then he hit the thing. Here it is. No, no, this isn't it. This is. This is a different thing. This is not the zip line. Now, after the zip line, he did see an elevated surface that he said, yeah, I think I should jump off of there. 30ft. You can jump off this. It's not a pier. It's like a. Oh, yeah. A little bit of a deck. You'll see him here in a second. He'll come into the frame and he'll break his back.

[Ian Rapoport]

Oh, Jesus. Why did you angle your back and head towards the water?

[AJ Hawk]

He's an athlete.

[Pat McAfee]

He said he was scared. He Was trying to stop it. Yeah, he's got bruising entire ass, hamstring and lower back.

[Ian Rapoport]

That's pretty high up too, man.

[Pat McAfee]

As it turns out, nobody else jumped off of that the rest of the day. So everybody saw talk beat up water there and in turn water beat him up and said, all right, we're not doing a 30 footer today. And what a chore. Yeah, the decisions that were made there by talk. He said I shouldn't have looked before I jumped. I was like, well if you don't look, you don't know how far it is then you're going to do that. He goes, well, I did it already. And it was like if it was 10ft short, shorter, he probably hits that water. Perfect. Yeah, it was that final 10ft where he just kinda just kind of drift. I'm gonna do a back bump. No, you're not. You're gonna get obliterated by this water. 30ft, that's pretty high. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know you're just like do this. I didn't know this was just out here. He's a zipline guy. Yeah, he's definitely zipline. He was only there for the zip line. It actually kind of felt like we had a pier. Used to go jump off of into the river. Oh yeah, Pitch black. Black. I don't remember the exact height of that thing.

[AJ Hawk]

Down at Barking, it was probably 20. I lived there for a year on Barking.

[Boston Conner]

That's sweet.

[Pat McAfee]

Guinness world record. Shadiest road in the United States. Most shade.

[AJ Hawk]

It's in a valley next to a river.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, I got thrown off a pier. Got a concussion.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Boston Conner]

When I was like 9 years old.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that'll happen. What happened?

[Boston Conner]

I had a instructor and we were horsing around. Used to babysit me sometimes for kind of just, you know, my brother. It's all kind of a bunch of big group and we're all laughing. I got picked up and I got tossed off a pier and I landed on my back and it me up.

[Pat McAfee]

How far was the drop?

[Boston Conner]

20Ft.

[Pat McAfee]

You got picked up and thrown as a nine year old off?

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, yeah. It was nuts.

[Pat McAfee]

Dude, it is hindsight looking bad.

[Boston Conner]

Someone else jumped in.

[Pat McAfee]

Can you imagine you doing that to a nine year old? That? No.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, I've never done that.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's keep you away from nine year olds.

[Boston Conner]

Okay, that's fair.

[Ian Rapoport]

Let's keep you away from 9 year old.

[Pat McAfee]

A lady. I saw a lady on the Internet.

[Boston Conner]

Oh my gosh. Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Her friend. And then.

[Boston Conner]

And that lady, she went to jail.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what everybody on the Internet. I don't know if that's real or not.

[Boston Conner]

I mean the injuries. She like punctured a lung, broken ribs. That was up. I hated that video.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I did not like it at all. Yeah, I kind of had a nowhere too. Just a shove off there. Because you'll see some of those people want to bungee jump and they're on like a box and you'll see some of the locals like actually push people off. Like, hey, you're doing this, you signed up for it. And it's always like an interesting situation. Because I'm like, would I want that to happen if I'm up there? Probably not. Kind of want to go myself. But also if you work there, like how long do these people just gonna stand?

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, people paying.

[Pat McAfee]

If everybody was just to go up there and be scared, they'd be scared. Push me Agree.

[Ian Rapoport]

They tell beforehand though.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. This girl, she goes face cuz they.

[Ian Rapoport]

No, that video make. That video pisses you off bad. That girl that put that makes me so. Yeah. That's infuriating.

[Pat McAfee]

I've never, I've never bungee jumped. I think that one's scarier than skydiving.

[Boston Conner]

You think?

[Darius Butler]

Just a lot of external factors there.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot closer to earth. Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

Remember, rapid feet, feet first, mess it up.

[AJ Hawk]

Sky coaster doesn't count.

[Pat McAfee]

Penciled in two, one fly. Pull the thing through Kennywood.

[Ian Rapoport]

Oh yeah, I did that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I have. I've done that. Is that. That's. Yeah, that's more. That is a bungee jumping. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

In my, in my estimation. In my. I. I've bungee jumped before because that's what that is.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Kind of. I think that kind of is. There's some sending 10 year olds up there, 11 year olds up there in Kennywood. You know what? They're not getting stuck because it ain't Cedar Point. You guys talk to anybody over there in Ohio about that? Can't have that happen.

[Ty Schmidt]

I have not.

[Ian Rapoport]

I've never been to Cedar Point actually.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see what that one guy said on the Internet? No. He said B Bone was sitting in the back. Oh yeah. So that's why it couldn't go down. The coaster goes like this and then it gets. Goes to connect and then it goes like this and it just got stuck right here. It was a good point by the guy tweeted. I didn't even think of that. Debone was. I think he was right back here cuz he was driving over to Ohio. Get all the all American beer that's left.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Or real American beer that's left. Yeah. And he was right back there, I think. And they said that they didn't. When they were building that thing. They didn't expect it to not. That's a good point. We don't know if that's true.

[Darius Butler]

No.

[Boston Conner]

I mean, you guys are really nice friends for thinking that Debone could get on a roller coaster, but I do.

[Pat McAfee]

He's definitely tall enough.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. There's other limits and unfortunately.

[Darius Butler]

What are you saying?

[Boston Conner]

I'm just saying, based on the structure of the roller coaster, I. I don't think that.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't think that thing's coming.

[Boston Conner]

I don't think the bars are clicking.

[Pat McAfee]

That's always the problem. Yeah, you do this one and you got to do it a couple times. I even happens to me every once in a while. And I'm nowhere near like a. I mean, I'm built like a spark plug, but not that big. Anytime I gotta really yank that thing to get locked in a little bit. Anxiety. Yeah. Like, hey, it feels like that was not cleanly locked in. And then what? 16 year old comes walking by with a little Madonna Mike. All right. It's gonna be fine. Barely pulls it. Just fucking up. You're good. It's like, am I? I don't know.

[AQ Shipley]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

You sure? I was in here? Yeah. All right. Keep your arms and hands inside. Send them out. And I'm just. Am I holding on this thing the whole ride? I don't know if I can hold this. And then you get upside down and you're like free falling. And it's like, well, now we're going to find out. And then that thing stays locked. And it's like, thank God. And then the ride's over. It's like, well, that wasn't fun. Yeah, that wasn't. All right, let's get out of here. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Might change your life. Run this thing together. It's been a great summer.

[Ian Rapoport]

Man, that'd be so scary. That'd be so scary if you were holding on and it went upside down and you felt it unhook and you're just holding on. Your legs are flying in the air and. How long can I hold this?

[Pat McAfee]

We've talked about this before, but it's a good time to bring it up because state fair season's coming up. In where we grew up, there wasn't state fair. Like, we didn't do the same. I think it's over there in hershey or Harrisburg or, Or who knows? Somewhere else. So I didn't know about state fairs. And then I come out here to Indiana. Love them. Holy fuck. These things are the greatest. People watching. The food's absurd. I like to eat good food. Then, like, the things that are happening. Awesome. I, I, It's. State fairs are some of the greatest things ever created. I think these people are getting on these rides, though, that at all. I don't, I don't think we should be getting on in the middle of a parking lot. And I'm literally just watch that guy put it together. He. He was using a hand crank. And then this thing's going while smoking crack all the way. God's good hustler, though. That's why he's out there.

[Boston Conner]

Those are awesome, though.

[Pat McAfee]

The ones that you could die on.

[Boston Conner]

Like, like the ones you were growing up as a kid going to see.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. I never did those as a kid, so I think that is kind of my.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, no, you think about it too.

[Pat McAfee]

Much as an adult.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

You're just like, all right, getting lied.

[Pat McAfee]

A little spin one where you're like.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, you just sit.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. You sit on the wall.

[Ian Rapoport]

Starship 2000 or something.

[Boston Conner]

They call it the orbiter that spins and turns at the same time. The zipper.

[Pat McAfee]

I saw.

[Ian Rapoport]

They all just make you puke.

[Pat McAfee]

Always. This one gets me now that I'm older.

[Boston Conner]

Thousand one nights.

[Pat McAfee]

This one. What's that?

[Boston Conner]

A thousand and one nights.

[Pat McAfee]

Go on the boat.

[Boston Conner]

Boat that goes.

[Darius Butler]

That's what. What his was called. It was a Thousand and One.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. My ears fell out for like three seconds. That's fine.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, we. We are nice. Magic carpet or pirate ship. Yeah. Thousand one nights, too. It feels like that whenever I'm on it because it's that as I've gotten older, that one has not sat well with my. My body getting to the point where I'm going to have to figure out whether or not we're doing these things with McKenzie or not. These state fair rides. Yeah. And I have bad feelings. Sam's all in on these things. She's been trying to get me to ride him for, like, four or five years. I'm like, sam, I'm not going in that thing. Oh, come on. I have fun. You go do it. I'm not going to do it alone. Mackenzie's not getting in one. I don't know how to tell Sam.

[Darius Butler]

That's what I like. I would never do it, but I think of it too Like, Iowa State Fair is the same thing. Like, they do it so often that, like, it probably is. Is safe, but very safe. But you're right. Like, my kid isn't going in there. Not a chance. I'll go to an amusement park and do it. But like Kennywood.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

I'm not going to the fairgrounds and doing it. Not a chance.

[AQ Shipley]

You're not putting your kid on a Kennywood ride either.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, you know what?

[Darius Butler]

N. I'm talking about adventure land here. I ain't talking about Kennywood.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Conner]

Let's put this to the test. Why don't you and Sam and McKenzie head to Kennywood and hop on the potato thing.

[Pat McAfee]

I want to let you know that's potato it. Potato patch is not a ride.

[Boston Conner]

Oh, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a journey to happy town. It is not a ride. Mackenzie will definitely be a Kennywood girl, no questions asked. I've heard the prices are a little absurd, but, you know, going to have to do that. Free parking. Inflation for a lifetime.

[AJ Hawk]

We went to Cedar Point for mine's. Mine's second birthday. She had so much fun. We're going back for her third.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's what we're saying.

[Boston Conner]

Cedar Point.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see Cedar Point Point? Have you seen Cedar Point?

[Boston Conner]

I thought that's what he said. I was clarifying.

[Darius Butler]

We've heard what. But yeah, I went to see the debone. Hopefully won't be there when he goes so he doesn't have to worry about.

[Pat McAfee]

We on the back of that thing. Why'd that guy say you're on the back of that thing?

[Darius Butler]

Wasn't on the back.

[AQ Shipley]

I went to Cedar Point.

[Boston Conner]

I read a team.

[Pat McAfee]

I was in the pond all weekend.

[Boston Conner]

I saw a tweet about him that said he got in the teacup and the whole thing just shut down.

[Pat McAfee]

The teacups?

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. The teacups was the only ride he could ride and fit into.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you sure it was the teacups, not the D cups? Might have been. Or the tea bowls. Okay. T bowls.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, T bowls. Tea cooler, perhaps. Tea, refrigerator.

[Pat McAfee]

Bone. Bone. Why are they saying you're on the back of that ride? Why'd that guy tweet that?

[AQ Shipley]

Even have a mic to defend himself?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, he does. He'll be.

[Ian Rapoport]

There we go. Yeah, that's how he feels about that guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Great catch. That's national champion right there. That sure is. So why were you on the back? Why that guy tweet Bergie the hippie can go himself? Yeah, that's journalism, I guess. Bergie the hippie did not See you there. Thank you. Sorry. We will no longer say that you were in the back of that or the T bowls or D cups or anything. Thank you.

[Boston Conner]

Those jokes ain't going nowhere. D boy Bone.

[Pat McAfee]

He does need to get it under control. He needs to start doing some physical activity.

[AQ Shipley]

Got a dry fit on right now?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's working out. He's got a dry fit, right? He's got to play the part. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

He was putting in work at the pond all weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a pond party. Yeah. He wasn't swimming. He was.

[Darius Butler]

No, no, he was swimming.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. He was the 20, 25 prince of the pond.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Pond prince. First year.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

He was the crown and all closing ceremonies.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So Burger the Hippie was lying. I guess he wasn't on that roller coaster. I'm not.

[Boston Conner]

I think there's still some validation to that claim.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. Burger the Hippie's been around a while too. Let's not just rule him out, you know, we can't just take one word over the other. All right? He's wearing a fucking dry fit.

[Ian Rapoport]

Dry fit.

[Pat McAfee]

I was watching Cops, you know, that's literally what it just took me back to. Like, what if that is his excuse? I had fucking tights on yesterday. Saw a guy showing up at training camp.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah. Bob Spain in 98 degree heat. The hottest day in New England, probably up to this point. Shows up to training camp with long sleeves, a sweatshirt and tights.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I mean, and my immediate thought was, oh, this guy needs to lose some weight. Like show up camp. A little heavy. We need to lose some weight here. What's going to Bob Spain? Every weight's perfect. So he's just a guy like, I was out in Vegas, brother. It was 120 degrees out there. You think I'm worried about this New England heat? I don't think. What's going on in Europe. Hey, Europe's heat.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Massive heat wave.

[Pat McAfee]

No air conditioning. Right. Is that the big problem?

[Darius Butler]

I guess.

[Ian Rapoport]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. People dying.

[Darius Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

It's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

It is crazy. Especially cuz down in South Florida, it's like always a hot 100 degrees. It's got to be something different over there. So. Yeah.

[Ian Rapoport]

They don't have air conditioning.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you think it is?

[AQ Shipley]

No, I don't. I don't know.

[Ian Rapoport]

What else could it be?

[Pat McAfee]

What else do you think it is? Let's.

[Boston Conner]

I don't know, Karma, who's.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's the SEC quarterback you think is going to be behind Lenore? Behind, say again, Lenora Sellers.

[AQ Shipley]

I Told you. DJ Lagway.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. All right.

[AQ Shipley]

And then Arch, are you saying that.

[Pat McAfee]

Because you hate white people? I love white people. Okay. I just want to make sure people are asking. I think DJ Lagway is going to be very good.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, he's got the quarterback whisperer, too.

[Pat McAfee]

Naper. That's right. They turned that team around. Stuck with the boys.

[Boston Conner]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I do respect DJ Lagway, but my blind belief on the season is just like the art show. And maybe I need to dial it back a little bit.

[Boston Conner]

I mean, remember the year Napier had with AR his last year in Florida? Holy man.

[Pat McAfee]

Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. Or in a sense, them together. Team on me, aj. We'll see you tomorrow, buddy. Are you coming with us tomorrow?

[Ian Rapoport]

Yeah, I'm. I'm. I'll meet you there. I'm going to drive.

[Pat McAfee]

You should just meet us at Canton. What?

[Ian Rapoport]

Oh, no, I can meet you. I plan on coming to Lay Trobe.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Okay. Just know that you don't have to.

[Ian Rapoport]

I got you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got a buddy that big sewers fan. He's coming to watch.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Sick. All right, we'll see you there tomorrow.

[Boston Conner]

Bobby.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Bobby, the General.

[Ian Rapoport]

No, another buddy, he's got guy from Youngstown. You know, all those Youngstown people are big. All the Pittsburgh sports.

[Pat McAfee]

Youngstown is a Pittsburgh type city. It is. A lot of Italians, a lot of grit.

[Ian Rapoport]

They remind me of Pittsburgh. People like all my buddies, dads from I. They sound like they're from Pittsburgh.

[Pat McAfee]

And they're the Penguins, right? Yes, they are. Yeah. So it's very Pittsburgh.

[Ian Rapoport]

You're right.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, we'll see you tomorrow, aj. Hopefully we'll see other people. Hang out with us tomorrow at the Pittsburgh Steelers training camp. Come say hello. And after the show, we're gonna watch practice. That's what we're going to do. All right.

[AJ Hawk]

That's a great idea.

[Pat McAfee]

That is what is happening that needs to be said right now. When that show is over, we're going to watch practice.

[Boston Conner]

Some of we.

[AQ Shipley]

So we're there for.

[Pat McAfee]

You're not watching practice.

[Boston Conner]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

What's up, Tone? Staying for the hall of Fame game?

[AJ Hawk]

You know how to scout for week three?

[Boston Conner]

Yeah, no, I'm focused on week going, brother. One game at a time.

[AJ Hawk]

That's different.

[Pat McAfee]

One day at a time, one show at a time, one moment at a time. Oh, yeah. One wake up at a time.

[AJ Hawk]

I was just kidding about. Can't too, by the way. I feel like that should be said too.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, team on three. One, two, three. Team Goodbye. You've seen the headlines, heard the debates. The three point ball has created a.

[Darius Butler]

Monotonous rhythm to the game.

[Pat McAfee]

And others has the three pointer ruined basket?

[AJ Hawk]

And how did we get here?

[Peter Schrager]

The rise of the three point shot can be partially traced to an eccentric Kansas genius named Martin Manley whose story.

[Jet Passan]

Didn'T turn out quite the way he imagined.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Ian Rapoport]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[AQ Shipley]

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[Pat McAfee]

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