PMS 2.0 1387 - Buffalo Bills General Manager Brandon Beane, Peter Schrager, Neal Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show | PMS 2.0 1387

Host: Pat McAfee, ESPN
Guests: Brandon Beane (Buffalo Bills General Manager), Peter Schrager, Neal Shipley, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk
Release Date: August 13, 2025

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Introduction and Overview

In Episode 1387 of The Pat McAfee Show, host Pat McAfee welcomes listeners to a bustling episode centered around the imminent NFL season. With training camps underway and significant contract negotiations in progress, Pat sets the stage for an engaging discussion featuring special guest Brandon Beane, General Manager of the Buffalo Bills, along with insights from Peter Schrager, Neal Shipley, Darius Butler, and AJ Hawk.

Special Segment: Publication Launch

Early in the show, Pat introduces a celebratory moment as co-host Tone Diggs announces the release of his new book, "The Need to Know Gambler's Guide for College Football 2025-2026." Priced at $9.99, the guide promises comprehensive insights for sports gamblers, including team analyses, player projections, and strategic betting tips.

Tone Diggs:

"The Need to Know Gambler's Guide... is something that I will read just like I did last year."

The team celebrates Tone's achievement with confetti cannons, highlighting the camaraderie and lightheartedness that characterize The Pat McAfee Show.

Football Season Preparations

Buffalo Bills Offseason Moves

Pat commends Brandon Beane for his strategic offseason moves, notably signing James Cook to a $30 million guarantee deal. Beane emphasizes the Bills' philosophy of building a robust team from within, investing heavily in player development and retention.

Cam Heyward Contract Discussion

The conversation shifts to the Cam Heyward contract restructuring with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Pat delves into the complexities of salary cap management, highlighting how Heyward's new guaranteed terms reflect his significant contributions on the field.

Pat McAfee [17:54]:

"Now you see everybody in Pittsburgh is not everybody. A portion of Pittsburgh and Yinzers are like, hey, Cam, you either want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or not."

Special Teams Importance

Darius Butler underscores the critical role of special teams in the NFL, advocating for players to carve out niches in this area to secure their positions.

Darius Butler [29:02]:

"We need you out there, okay? We need you."

Interview with Brandon Beane

Team Building Philosophy

Brandon Beane discusses the Bills' commitment to their motto, "draft, develop, and re-sign," emphasizing the importance of nurturing homegrown talent. He reflects on the satisfaction of rewarding players who excel both on and off the field, fostering a strong community presence.

Brandon Beane [22:02]:

"You feel like a proud dad when you are able to see these guys be rewarded for their success."

Contract Negotiations

Beane provides an inside look into the negotiation process for James Cook's contract. He credits his staff for their dedication in finalizing the deal, highlighting the collaborative effort required to navigate salary cap constraints.

Brandon Beane [22:33]:

"We pushed pause until we were able to get him back on the practice field yesterday."

Special Teams and Player Roles

The discussion delves into the Bills' wide receiver depth, spotlighting players like Keon Coleman and the strategic incorporation of multi-role athletes to enhance team performance.

Brandon Beane [28:37]:

"We've got a lot of guys feeding for the last two spots. Special teams, DB comes in there as well."

Hard Knocks Experience

Beane shares his experience with the Hard Knocks documentary series, praising the crew's ability to capture the team's ethos without compromising their operational integrity.

Brandon Beane [26:05]:

"The number one goal in training camp is to prepare this team for a 17-game season and hopefully a ticket to the playoffs."

Broader NFL Trends and Contracts

The panel discusses the prevailing trend of early contract negotiations and extensions, examining its impact on team dynamics and salary cap management. They debate whether this approach provides stability or breeds unnecessary pressure.

Pat McAfee [45:28]:

"But $10 bet on the best bet."

Other Sports Segments

Neil Shipley and Golf

Neil Shipley, a Korn Ferry Tour golfer, celebrates securing his PGA Tour card, marking a significant milestone in his professional career. Pat congratulates Neil, highlighting the dedication required to achieve such success in golf.

Neil Shipley [112:06]:

"It's something I figured I was kind of past that threshold, but finally getting the official hashtag tourbound stamp is pretty sweet."

Conclusion and Announcements

As the episode wraps up, Pat reiterates his congratulations to guest Brandon Beane and Neil Shipley, emphasizing the Bills' promising outlook for the upcoming season and Neil's entry into the PGA Tour. The team encourages listeners to engage with their new publications and stay tuned for more sports insights.

Pat McAfee:

"We hope you're ready for the season. Stay tuned, stay informed, and enjoy the unique entertainment that only The Pat McAfee Show can provide."

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Notable Quotes

• Pat McAfee [00:00]:

  "Football is happening in just a matter of weeks... and we will certainly be doing that all day today."

• AJ Hawk [01:33]:

  "No doubt."

• Brandon Beane [22:02]:

  "You feel like a proud dad when you are able to see these guys be rewarded for their success."

• Darius Butler [29:02]:

  "We need you out there, okay? We need you."

• Neil Shipley [112:06]:

  "It's something I figured I was kind of past that threshold, but finally getting the official hashtag tourbound stamp is pretty sweet."

These highlighted moments encapsulate the episode's focus on team building, player development, and the strategic maneuvers within the NFL landscape.

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of Episode 1387 of The Pat McAfee Show, providing listeners with an insightful glimpse into the discussions surrounding the Buffalo Bills' offseason activities, contract negotiations, and broader NFL trends, alongside celebratory segments featuring team achievements and guest milestones.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this Author tone. Wednesday, August 13, 2025 this program begins now. Football is happening in just a matter of weeks and obviously we have training camp and drama and contracts being signed to chit chat about. And we'll certainly be doing that all day today. Peter Schrager will be joining us in a second hour. He obviously has been on every show today, so we will try to that run that he has been on. And also we need some answers from Shregs because not only did yesterday's conversation get cut short while he was at jets and Giants training camp because of maybe some throttling, maybe some throttling going on, but he happens to be very close friends with a lot of people that are very close to a lot of the big stories that are happening right now. Schrager might be the key to all the information we need as we look ahead just three weeks and one day from now where the NFL season will officially kick off in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, as they celebrate the hell out of winning that Super Bowl. So Shrags will join us. Oh, yeah. The general manager for the Buffal Bills, Brandon Bean, will join us here in about 14 minutes or so. Fresh off of signing James Cook to a $30 million guarantee deal and also spending about 1 point something billion dollars this offseason to retain his own guys, Brandon Bean has built a team from within, basically has spent from within. And now we're getting a chance to see a team go all in in Buffalo while also watching Hard Knocks and learning about their entire team being a bunch of dogs. I really enjoy KJ Hamler outside. Jerry Jude. Okay. Jerry Jude is our favorite player.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

Talked about that numerous times. Fashion. He's moxie. He's everything. We love Jerry Jude. This guy come close. He's really climbing the ladder quick.

[AJ Hawk]

He's a star.

[Pat McAfee]

Each Hard Knocks episode, KJ Hamler only gets better, by the way. Now we hope he has a. That can't happen. What was that? You know what that was. Don't show. Don't show. Don't show. Don't show. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Almost gimmick. Don't be giving away the gimmick, brother. Don't be giving away the gimmick, brother. Never. But Hard Knocks once again is showcasing people and teams to a manner that makes you think, I like this team. And we'll have Brandon being on. He's been spending a lot of money. Can't wait to chat with him. He's probably very happy that his first ever holding that he's ever had as a general manager is over with James Cook, especially a guy who is basically their go to. I mean, he had most yards, I believe, for Buffalo. Once Joe Brady became the offensive coordinator, all anybody was saying up there was, let James Cook. And they did. He's a dog, obviously. His older brother Dalvin was a dog. And we cannot wait to watch this Buffalo Bills team who's going all in clearly and obviously has dogs across the board. They need to win a super. You know, that's what people are talking about. But it's not just about Brandon being the general manager of the Buffalo Bills. Oh, no, it's not just about Peter Schrager. Okay. It's not just about Neil Shipley who'll be joining us, obviously. Incredible golfer. We're big fans of out of Ohio State. I believe he's on the Corn Ferry tour now. Can't wait to chitchat with him. We've been continuing a little golf conversation trying to get into that it's not just the toxic table at Boston. Connor and that Ty Schmidt, con man. Great shirt today.

[AJ Hawk]

Thank you. You too. Good to see the tank back in the saddle.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you see that? Got a little tan from the islands. You know, why not? Kind of in the best shape I've been in in a long, long time. Saw the tank staring at me today and I said on author 10, Wednesday does feel like the right time to come back, especially with this summer becoming a perfect one. The weather outside is delightful. Used to be scorching hot everywhere. Now we're in a great spot. Happy summer. Also three weeks, one day from the NFL kickoff. Love your shirt. I have a couple bald eagles, America, basically that live on the property in which I inhabit now. And it is great to see these things take off like they are majestic and they are the weapons of the sky, you know, they are the winners. And you've heard the story about the crow, you know. Oh, yeah, sure, crow.

[AJ Hawk]

Bob Sala told me all about it in the five minute little thing he did last year.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. What do you say? He said, well, the bald eagle only really has one bird that has enough gumption to kind of step up to it. It's a crow. The crow is also a large bird. Have a murderer crows on the property as well. They are a big bird. They're not scared to kind of attack the bald eagle. Bald eagle, though says, that's no problem. That's no problem. And bald eagle just starts flying north, you know. And by north, I mean we're climbing altitude.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And inevitably the crow is too damn dumb. Doesn't even know, even though the crow is a very smart bird, has no idea that it's never going to be able to keep up with the eagle. The eagle is Michael Phelps underwater, but at altitude you can't. And the crow inevitably falls to itself. And that's a great depiction of what we need to do.

[AJ Hawk]

Amen.

[Pat McAfee]

We need to just fly higher than our haters as those crows are attacking us. We just need to get to an altitude that they will never get to. Shout to America. Shout to the bald eagle. And also shout to America. America wrapped around bald eagle's head there. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Amen. Yeah. This is one of my favorites for sure. And it's just kind of a great uniter. It feels like it is, you know, football, football and eagles and just majestic. Great things are on the horizon.

[Pat McAfee]

And authors and authors got a nine year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler sitting in a big time seat over there.

[Darius Butler]

Feels majestic over here. Fly, Eagles, fly. But can't wait for Arthur Tony to get out here. Almost, you know, I'm excited.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm almost.

[Pat McAfee]

Almost. Jeez, Lou, twice now. It's early. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us live in the Thunderdome, what an honor. This man is from Plum Borough, which is in the east hills of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Sure. He's a D1 athlete. Yeah. This man went to a school that would have been Ivy League if there was more grass around campus.

[AJ Hawk]

True.

[Pat McAfee]

The beautiful Duquesne University. He's proud to be a Duke. He loves ball. Loves it. Super duper Italian. Okay. His name's not Tony Tony, but it might as well be. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

You know, like Tony Tony Roman, Anthony's father.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Mr. Tony Tony is certainly something that we have never seen. Maybe others have. That's my first Tony Tony. You know, I'll tell you, if it was Michelangelo Michelangelo, I don't know how much more you get other than Tony Tony. This guy, though. Python, great western Pennsylvania legend. A Mustang through and through. And now a two time, two time actual author. Ladies and gentlemen, the author of the need to know Gambler's Guide for College Football 2025, 2026 season, which is available now at store.patmcafeeshow.com for a very low price of 999, where you will get all the information you will need to be a sophisticated sports gambler going into the season. Does that guarantee that you win? Absolutely not. But it's a lot of good information if you're a data person, if you're a Stats person. If you want to get quotes from teams or just overall narratives about teams. How about conferences? How about some future bets that we should look at? Last year, over 500. Whenever we're doing that, maybe this year we continue the trend. Ladies and gentlemen, the author of this particular book, host of Hammer dad From the Pat McAfee show program, ladies and gentlemen, Tony Giulia. Yeah. Yeah. High five. Hardball. Hardball. Hardball. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

What's up, Hemingway?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Tone.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Got a sig behind your left ear there. Yeah. That's an author. Yeah. You are an author, I guess.

[Tone Diggs]

An author.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You brought out your best cowboy hat, I see. Yeah. It's a big day. Yeah, it is. Big day. All we wanted to really say was congratulations. Tony. Tony, Tony. Yeah. Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony. Quick trigger on this one. I apologize. He's got some power. You didn't know that was coming, right? No. Yeah, no, obviously. That one went right down my throat. Yeah. Yeah. While you're. Ah. D Butts almost gave away. His cannon fell off earlier. That was the big thump that.

[Darius Butler]

You heard one piece of confetti in it, by the way.

[Pat McAfee]

Yours didn't.

[Darius Butler]

You're straight blue powder.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a bullet. It's a bullet. I think Ty might have as well. Hey, it is. Hey, real quick.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, I guess it's.

[Pat McAfee]

It. It is. Oh, yeah. Poo powder. Oh, so pink powder. You're dry. Congratulations. You had a boy. I had to multicolor. Yo. Multicolor as well.

[Evan Fox]

Thank God I didn't get the powder from you.

[Pat McAfee]

It was a nice mix in the entirety. You wore that. That boy, though. If we were to celebrate the blue chalk, that just went out there, and that went exactly how we would have hoped it.

[Tone Diggs]

That was awesome. Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Zito thought of that about a minute and a half before we went live. He goes, hey, we got confetti cannons in here. And I said, could we have those? And he goes, yes, we can very easily get them. And then as the countdown's happening, Zito's walking in, handing out these guns, and we're. As the show is at 5, 4. What are we saying? We're just. When I say congratulate, we shoot him right in the face. All right? And then I think Ty even asked, should I get a little bit of.

[Tone Diggs]

Or you think straight shot or get a little. Get a little height on this thing?

[Pat McAfee]

And I'm happy you guys all kind of went with your gut feeling there. Yeah, well, we wanted to celebrate you. Yeah. We've had these in the office. I Think for like a year now. So there for last year, this is the right time to do it. How do you feel now that it's been officially published? Put out there. All the hay is in the actual barn. Whenever it comes to this year's Gambler's.

[Evan Fox]

Guide, it feels awesome. And you know, it felt awesome. To the Tony Purkis run out.

[Pat McAfee]

You had very high ank. You were doing butt kicks while you're running out.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, I mean, I tried to do.

[Tone Diggs]

The Tony Perkins, now that you say that it was very well executed, I think nailed it.

[Pat McAfee]

It was a little bit of a deep cut. I don't know if anybody expecting that. We obviously all thought that was your actual running gate. And I saw debut judging a little bit.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, it was a little. Little zany.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's Tony Perkins. So you nailed that. The book, though, let's get back.

[Evan Fox]

It's awesome. This year I think it's a lot better because I started doing this a lot earlier in the year. Last year when the first one came out, you know, I was kind of putting that off, hoping that everyone would forget that we were doing it. But this year, no, a lot more time spent on it. I feel really good about it. A lot of information in it. There's a lot of moving parts in college football.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Because there's new faces, new places, new teams, also new squads that have money. You know, like Texas Tech is entering the conversation in a massive way. It's like all these things are. If you didn't pay attention to anything going on the off season, I think if you were to read this, you would get picked very quickly. Yes.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So that, I mean, granted, you got to read through it all. It's a lot.

[Evan Fox]

But like Texas Tech, like using them as an example, like we were seeing like all this spending money stuff, I'm like. And I'm like, is that real? Is it not? And then you go through and you do the research and they got a guy, Bailey from Stanford who had like eight and a half sacks last year, is an absolute freak. They brought in like four offensive linemen who were starters last year at other places and all conference guys. So it's like they spent their money well. They're returning 11 guys on defense. Texas Tech may be a real team.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And you learn that in Gambler's Guide. These are things that like early in the season as the books. And once again, if you're going to gamble, you should do it with the amount of money that is safe for you to lose.

[Evan Fox]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Like we Just want as people that have been through the gambling entire experience and what he's putting in there is not a guarantee. You put your records from last year in there. Like hey, this is what we did last year. There is losses in there. We got this wrong. So none of this is saying, hey, if you read this you're going to be a great gambler. There's a chance though. Yeah, but also which is none of.

[Evan Fox]

It will be my fault. Like last year.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I like classic gambling.

[Evan Fox]

I liked Virginia Tech.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Because they had a lot of. I read this thing and you had me running through a wall for Virginia Tech on game day and it didn't. And then they're going to come running out and they got like what 20 returning starters.

[Brandon Bean]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I was reading. I read the game lime and everyone.

[Evan Fox]

You know when you look. I went back and I looked at their season last year because that's part of it. I recap last year a little bit. And where things went wrong. They had six one score games that they lost. You know that could have been completely the other way. We could have been right on Virginia Tech ball.

[AJ Hawk]

And they got robbed by Miami controversy.

[Evan Fox]

They got beat Week 1 double overtime to Vandy. We thought Vandy was going to be good.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Evan Fox]

Arizona State last year was supposed to finish last in the Big 12. So like things happen.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see their training camp? Arizona.

[AJ Hawk]

That looks so cool.

[Pat McAfee]

So cool.

[AJ Hawk]

Kidding me.

[Pat McAfee]

He, he's. He's talking about what didn't he say I want to bring back to paradise to the Valley or something like that. I forget what it was. The coach. How old's the coach over there?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, I can't feel like mid-30s.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

35 I think.

[Evan Fox]

And he's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Awesome. And he's from there. I think it's like a full on thing. And they got money. They got a little bit of money which is a big part of the entire story. And speaking of money, only 9.99 you can get in entire breakdown of what college football still could beat us now we did double the price.

[Tone Diggs]

Hey, you have to I will say twice as much information. Inflation, tariffs.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean and also yeah, terrorists. We even we could have. Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Lucky this thing's not 99.99.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's a chance Now I do think we are in a stage of life where people would see 499, 999 and view them as the same thing. Which I don't think is good. You know back in the day every dollar used to say so we should get back to that point at this point. But, but with that being said, $9.99. You're getting at least 11.99 worth of information. No, you're, you're winning by two bucks at least $11.99, don't you think?

[Evan Fox]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe even $14.99 worth of information.

[AJ Hawk]

Take the best bet.

[Evan Fox]

Let's not get crazy. Let's see how the, let's see how everything in there goes this year and we'll see how it.

[Pat McAfee]

But $10 bet on the best bet.

[AJ Hawk]

You take the best bet for 10 bucks. A thousand bucks. I mean, I, I, I trust Tony with all my money when it comes to gambling because he's a good go.

[Pat McAfee]

See, that's what we're saying the exact opposite.

[Evan Fox]

But I give out like 3:30. I think it's like 32 or 33 team total over unders that I, that I feel good about. And people just for that would probably spend like people are out paying for picks all the time. They would spend just $10 for that. But I did do it right before we ran out. You do it, you buy it 9.99 on the site and then you get an email from store dot, pac man, pat mcafee, show.com and there's a download link right there that you could download.

[Pat McAfee]

The PDF much easier than we thought it was going to be. Yeah. To be clear, whenever we went down this voyage, we thought it was going to be terrible. We thought it was going to be very difficult, which all your research is what it is. That is very difficult work. You put a lot of time into it. I appreciate you. You love college bowl and all the info that you put out is great. We thought the logistics behind it of downloadable and how this all tough worked out well though. Yeah. Shout out to Phil in the store out there. That's incredible work. And also shout out to Debone putting together all the graphics.

[Evan Fox]

Dirty did.

[Tone Diggs]

Dirty did as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Dirty joined the.

[AJ Hawk]

Hey, baby.

[Pat McAfee]

Dirty. Thank you, Dirty. We appreciate the hell out of that. And we're gonna give away your picks. I don't think we should do that. I think we should buy it. Yeah, a couple days. It's in the book. It is in the book. All right. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, the author of the need to know gamblers Guide for the 2025, 2026 college football season. AP down, baby. All right, so you guys want to switch? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That feels right.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Gone.

[Pat McAfee]

Go on.

[AJ Hawk]

Go on, boys.

[Evan Fox]

This is a special seat though.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Next year, third annual yeah, that's right. Hey, have we ever confetti somebody? No. We're proud of you. Aren't we? Yeah, without a doubt.

[AJ Hawk]

And it is serious great information in.

[Pat McAfee]

There for Goblin quotes to that kind of back.

[Tone Diggs]

I.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not doing it.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, it ain't worth it. I'll just. We'll just pound them over here.

[Pat McAfee]

That was really efficient, boys. I think we thought that's how long that was going to take. Really good work.

[AJ Hawk]

Geez Louise. You got. You guys still have feet.

[Pat McAfee]

Welcome back home, D. Butch.

[Darius Butler]

Thanks, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Good to see you. An author was sitting in that seat just moments ago.

[Darius Butler]

Still feel the ore. And left a sig here, too. I might.

[AJ Hawk]

Whoa.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

See, here's a photo from the celebration. Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what we're looking for. Yeah, that's how you celebrate Dr.

[Darius Butler]

Perfect.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. You know how you should celebrate? Maybe.

[AJ Hawk]

How's that?

[Tone Diggs]

With an ice cold Dr. Pepper, maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely, definitely a Dr. Pepper. You should have that. All right, now that we're back, let's do a little football talk before Brandon Bean joins. A shout to Dr. Pepper, the official, official.

[AJ Hawk]

Soft drink of Fansville.

[Pat McAfee]

And now the Thunderdome drink. I think it's official drink of Fansville official drink. Yeah, it's right there on the screen. Just. Just look at that. Yeah, it's right in front of our face. Shout out to Dr. Pepper. We love you. There's 45 of them consumed before the show. To celebrate this, we're trying to connect with Mr. Bean right now. General manager of the Buffalo Bills, Mr. Bean, by the way, phenomenal series of things. Big brain on that particular gentleman. Just like on Brandon Bean in this entire thing. Let's start chit chatting a little bit about the Pittsburgh Steelers Cam Hayward issue. More things have kind of come to light to our brains about the Cam Hayward situation. So I guess it wasn't like a new contract last year, whenever he resigned this entire thing, it was basically like a salary cap gymnastics restructuring of the contract. So last year they just kind of reshuffled some money. Now, granted, they gave him more money guaranteed at that exact point. So he certainly gave him more money. Tom Brady started this, I think, back whenever he was with the Patriots. Really the first guy to get a front loaded contract, to restructure the contract, to get a guarantee payday. So they can kind of separate that amount of money over the remaining years of the contract, as opposed to a salary cap hit each year that it is. So it's a little salary cap gymnastics I guess that's what they did for Cam Heyward last year. And he has chit chatted about how when I go All Pro, I like us to actually do this again in its entirety. I'm intrigued by the reaction because in the off season, Cam Hayward did say to Aaron Rodgers, you're. You're the one to be a Pittsburgh Steelers. Don't.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, verbatim.

[Pat McAfee]

So now you see everybody in Pittsburgh is not everybody. A portion of Pittsburgh and Yinzers are like, hey, Cam, you either want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or not. AP tone I'll go to you. Fresh off author book being released. The new information being us finding out about it being a restructure last year as opposed to a new contract. Does that change anything you think in anybody's minds? How do you think people are reacting to Cam Hayward, who his entire family beloved in Pittsburgh? Very beloved. But this is the type of thing that Yinzers do not love. I don't think any, like, blue collar town loves this type of thing, especially because the numbers that they see whenever they're hearing about what athletes are making and remember, these guys all play in high school, they would die. I pay to pay for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So whenever this type of stuff always gets ugly. It does get kind of ugly in these, these types of towns. What are your thoughts on the Cam Hayward?

[Evan Fox]

There's two sides to it. You know, there's the, the fans who are like, it's. It's Cam, you know, he, he is one of three guys who's had 30 sacks from the defensive tackle position in the last four years. Quinn and Williams and DeForest Buckner being the other two. Quinton is making 24 million a year, and DeForest is making 23 million a year, which is about at least 9 million more than what Cam is making this year. So as far as play on the field, he deserves more money. But then there's the other side of the ball. And there are some users in this where they're like, hey, you were at the negotiating table last year and you put your name on a contract last year, a year ago. Now, if it was a handshake deal, which we've been talking about a lot about making All Pro, and then they would come back and revisit it. A lot of people were saying his agents should have probably put that in the deal. So there's two sides to it. At the end of the day, I think the Steelers have the money to get a deal done, and I think Cam deserves to be paid more. Just By, I mean, especially if he's.

[Pat McAfee]

Just pissed off like this is a guy you'd like to just keep at. This guy is coach. Yeah.

[Evan Fox]

And he is, he has been the, the, the heart and blood of that Steelers defense for a long, long time. So yeah, I, I hope they get it done quickly.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, congrats to all parties over there if they get that deal done. And also congrats to, you know, why not the Indianapolis Colts? We sign Cam A.

[Darius Butler]

Why not put it right next. But no one got big growth.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, put him in. We'll run. We'll five Don. Yeah, sure.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Three big guys middle of the pockets could be a problem for everybody.

[Darius Butler]

Always room for an all pro joining.

[Pat McAfee]

It legit all time all pro, all.

[Darius Butler]

Pro on the field and off the field.

[Pat McAfee]

And you can get in a locker room.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Two years ago. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Probably flip one of them for KJ Hamler too.

[Pat McAfee]

Love get your new favorite play. Well, joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has KJ Hamler on his squad and fresh off a brand new scooter. I think K.J. hamler, not just fast on the field, also off the field. He's not the only one on the field for this particular team. Look out for James Cook, returning to practice for the Buffalo. Buffalo Bills because he got a deal done with who? Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Buffalo Bills, friend of the program, Brandon B.

[Brandon Bean]

Nobody beats your intros, Pat. Nobody.

[Pat McAfee]

You're Oprah right now, brother. You get a car, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car, you get a new deal. $1.26 billion in deals this off season. I want to let you know. Thank you for rewarding your guys in house guys as well. How great did it feel to get James Cook's deal done? Because I learned on Hard Knocks that he was the first ever hold in that you've had throughout your stint up there in Buffalo. But not just James Cook this entire off season. How does it feel to get all of this done with your pillars? Basically?

[Brandon Bean]

No, it's been good. I mean our ownership, the Pulas are unbelievable, Pat. They just love the, the motto, the mantra that we have, which is draft development and re sign our own. And there's. You feel like a proud dad when you, when you are able to see these guys be rewarded for their, their success. Not only on the field, obviously. That's why we drafted them and tried to help develop them. But just being pillars in the community you were talking about earlier, this is a blue collar town just like Pittsburgh and, you know, they love their Buffalo Bills, and so it's. It's fun to see these guys be rewarded.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about James Cook just a little bit. Was it. Did you guys have an understanding that a deal was always going to get done? So, like, TJ Watt in the Pittsburgh Steelers had a little thing going on, but every insider was like, a deal is going to get done, A deal is going to get done. James Cook doing the holding, was it always just assumed from your end that a deal with something was going to get worked out or like, how did we get to the point where a deal actually gets done? Are you constantly working on a deal while he's there so it's not like, completely uncomfortable? Like, take me to the situation here while the hold in was happening and what was happening behind the scenes?

[Brandon Bean]

Potentially, yeah. I mean, listen, I would say Jimbo and I had a lot, a lot of dialogue through this process. You know, we. We tried to get something done in the spring when we're doing the other guys. That didn't work. We pushed pause and just said, you know, we'll see if we can circle back later in the summer. So we started talks again once camp got started. And, you know, he started practicing. Those guys, maybe they didn't feel like it was, you know, where they wanted it to be, which, you know, was unfortunate, but we wanted him to continue practicing. And so we kind of pushed pause until we were able to get him back on the practice field yesterday. And then once we did that, we. You know, I give Zach Hiller and Kevin Megank on my staff a lot of credit. They. They worked into the night last night to try and get this thing to the finish line, and we're excited it's here. So to answer your question, no, I was not known that this would get done. I wanted to see James get rewarded. But as you see, we've doled out a lot of cash this year, and we've got to make a lot of things fit with the cap and what those constraints are. And he obviously had to have a deal that he was happy about. And sometimes those can be hard and not fun. But James is such a great kid. He loves ball, he's competitive, and even though he wasn't in practice every day, he was very attentive in meetings and engaged with his teammates. So I do respect that part of it.

[Pat McAfee]

I love to hear that, because that means at some point, James Cook was told, hey, you could probably make more money if we continue, go somewhere else and do that. But with everything that's happening around us. This is a great situation. This is a deal that can happen anytime that both sides have to give a little bit. You know, you probably didn't want to do it. That's whenever a strong deal can take place. Because it feels like both sides actually committed to each other. Right. Doesn't it feel that way? Yeah.

[Brandon Bean]

No. I mean, most good deals, there's a little pain on both sides. You got to give a little and you kind of hear some things that we just can't move on. There's. Here's some things that they have to have in the deal, and you kind of strike those off and then you kind of find those things. All right, you give me this, I'll give you a little bit of that. And we just kind of start checking those off. And that's kind of where we got to by dinner time. And, you know, it got wrapped up about 11 o' clock last night.

[Pat McAfee]

That's awesome. Congratulations to all parties over there. We're watching Hard Knocks. How do you feel about it? I think you're coming across very cool. I think you look very cool in that thing. Even whenever you're watching film with the owner. In last night's scene, I think the way you held the cowboy was pretty good. I think watching the thumb go back and forth, very natural. I think you should feel good. How has it been having your life be documented here?

[Brandon Bean]

Do we want. Do I need to change anything with the cowboy?

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Brandon Bean]

Switch hands? No, no, I go with it.

[Pat McAfee]

I think you nailed it. Yeah. Because, you know, because you could tell quickly. I think whenever somebody has one of those, like me, put me on one. I'm not gonna be the smoothest. Like, I'm not. I'm not the most film savvy guy. But then you put some dogs on there, you know, you get like deep it on that thing. You get like coaches on that thing. It's like, oh, this is their controller. This is their video game controller. They're playing Guitar Hero on this fucking thing, you know, so it's like, it was nice to see that. But how has it been to have hardened knocks there? I think you guys have come off very likable. And I know that's probably your culture, but, like, I think everybody kind of has. Yeah.

[Brandon Bean]

I mean, listen, when you first get the call back in May that we're going to be on it, you're like, oh, gosh. Like, I don't, you know, how invasive is that going to be? You know, our number one goal in training camp is to prepare this team for, you know, a 17 game season and hopefully a ticket to the playoffs. That's. That's what all 32 are trying. And so, you know, you're kind of like.

[Darius Butler]

And then.

[Brandon Bean]

So then you start asking questions. So we had some meetings with the hard knocks folks in early June and you know, we laid out our goals of what we're open to and we listened to them. Things that have worked, asked some questions of other teams, just tried to learn as much as we could about it. And I give them credit. They listened to some of the things that we felt would be a little invasive, a little uncomfortable, but just like a deal with James Cook. Hey, we'll give you a little bit of access here if you can just help us protect. You know, like, we don't want to be releasing players on film. I just. This is their livelihood and I've just never been a fan of that. And I just think these guys work so hard to, you know, I don't think any of us want to see. I'm getting called in and whatever, you know, work line of work you're in, you're being called in to be relieved of your duties. I just, I think that's a line that I'm uncomfortable crossing. So there were some conversations like that. But I give the crew credit. They've really listened to our staff and that's what we said. Let's work together and let's make this a win. Win for both sides.

[Pat McAfee]

The NFL Films people are supremely talented. We are big fans of what they got going on. Now, obviously the access, because they are like the 33rd team, is unprecedented. Anybody else, but what they do with it is remarkable. And your team looks good, man. I enjoy your team. KJ Hamler, by the way. We need to find a spot for him in the locker room. This guy is hysterical, naturally. Very, very hilarious. Listening to you guys chat about his football abilities also great. Obviously. Go ahead, D. Budge.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, I love him. Great, great vibes. But sticking in that room. You obviously have Shakira there. You took care of your paid Keon Coleman, who we expect a big jump for this year. Where are you right now? How do you feel about the state of that wide receiver room? And yeah, I'll stop there.

[Brandon Bean]

Yeah. You know, Shakir got his ankle in our scrimmage a couple of weeks ago, so he's. He's going to be out the rest of the preseason, but he's progressing well, so. Hate not having him out there, but we're at least happy to know he should be ready to roll for the regular season. Keon, I think, has had a good camp, as you said, he's ascending talent. I see him and Josh, you know, continuing to work on their rapport and get the chemistry, all the various throws that you make to a bigger target like that, you know, Eliza Moore, we brought here Josh Palmer today at practice. Josh had a really, Had a really good practice. He and. He and our. Our quarterback connected a lot. And we've got some other guys. KJ Hamler, Tyrell Shavers. I mean, you keep name Leviska, Chenault. I'm leaving guys out, but.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no, we.

[Neil Shipley]

We've got.

[Brandon Bean]

Well, we've got a lot of guys feeding for the last, you know, three or four, you know, last. I would say last two spots. You know, special teams. DB comes in there as well. As far as, you know, if you're not starting, you know, when we're in 11 personnel, you're top three. If you're not one of those, you gotta. Are you returning punts? Are you returning kicks? Are you a gunner? Like, we've got to find other roles for you to, you know, so we can have you on the 48.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we need you out there, okay? We need you. If you're not out there on the punt team, you're not going to be on the team. Which is why I used to give speeches to young guys that I thought were great Gunners, great special team. Hey, you need to learn this defense, okay? All they're saying is, you don't know what the hell you're doing. You need to learn what the hell you're doing so that we can have you on special teams, buddy. Okay? You're really good at special teams. They say you suck on defense. I need you to get better over here. And also, let's start picking up water bottles for people. Let's. We need you. You know, I'm like, campaigning for people, lobbying for people, because special teams is a lot of ways into the NFL for a lot of guys, and they have no idea that's the case. Do you try to explain that to guys? Does McDermott explain. Does Coach explain that to people? How is that message kind of delivered?

[Brandon Bean]

Yeah, we definitely do it. We, we, we emphasize it, especially to the young guys in June, you know, the rookies and those, those young players. Like, if you are not a starter, you better find a role on special teams. And if, if not, you're going to have a hard time a making the team. And even if you make the team, you're probably going to be Inactive on game days until guys in front of you get injured. And there's so many guys that we've pointed to that, that have made it as a special teamer that later developed as either an offensive player or a defensive player if they had not been that good on special teams. I mean, shoot, I remember you go back to Steve Smith in Carolina. Steve was a third round pick. He returns to his very first kickoff for playing Minnesota in 2001. He returns it for a touchdown. And he was a dynamic punt returner, but we were rarely using him on offense the first couple of years. It was his third season when he kind of took off as a, as a receiver and started sending. But who knows if he had never been, you know, an all pro returner, if he would have gotten the looks at receiver.

[Pat McAfee]

Robert Mathis, I think started his career as kickoff guy Terrell Davis. 123 sacks later, Terrell Davis, Antonio Brown was a return, a nightmare of a return.

[AJ Hawk]

Now Turpin.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I mean, you're right. Hey, special teams. Beautiful place, baby. It's absolutely beautiful. For place, let's go to, especially with.

[Brandon Bean]

The kickoff rule this year. Like the kickoff is going to change. You know, you're not going to want a lot of touchbacks because it's at the 35. So, you know the kickoff is truly going to be back in the game. I think there's going to be a lot more than previous seasons and that's going to be a major change this year, I think for special teams.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that good for you or bad for you in Buffalo?

[Brandon Bean]

I think it's fine as long as we do a good job and that we have the right personnel out there. Because it's like I said, I'm saying.

[Pat McAfee]

Weather wise, you think that's good or bad? I think, I think weather wise, if everybody's not kicking touchbacks, I think that's good for you guys.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because not that Bass doesn't have a big leg, but like, you know there's going to be 10 inches of snow for what, four of the games up there.

[Brandon Bean]

The wind becomes more of a factor up here than honestly the snow.

[Pat McAfee]

So damn cool. I played in a blizzard up there last game of the year my rookie year. Needed to have 44 yard average, needed to have one inside the 20 to hit an escalator for $1 million in my third year. And we get out there, all the boys are on the bench because we're already in a playoffs. Remember Bill Poland decided to rest everybody. All the vets were pissed. So yeah, we Were. Yeah, that game, it was a full on blizzard and I had. It was the biggest day of my life. It was literally the biggest day of my life. Like, I got to have a good game up here for a million dollars. There's a million dollars on the line right now. That is how I.

[Darius Butler]

Lot of points.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. We had some turnover, thank God.

[Brandon Bean]

Did you get it? Did you get the million?

[Pat McAfee]

Bean, if you were to just you.

[Brandon Bean]

I mean, I. I assume, though, but this is probably the last place you want to be kicking to to get a million bucks.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed. Agreed, completely. But, yeah, I got it. There's a. There's a million dollars. Peyton Manning, Dallas Clark, having the time of their lives on that sideline. That was when Peyton Manning handed out 45 wristbands and said he gave Warren every single one. Put them on, walked over, handed him to a kid, was handed him off. You know, like there was conversations going on about how much fun everybody was. Everybody's having a blast. Everybody's having a good time. We're losing this game. Who cares? You know, let's keep it moving. And I'm in, like the biggest. Yeah, please, please. There's a million dollars. This is the biggest day of my entire life. But once again, the people of Buffalo showed up, which is why I appreciate you guys keeping that a little bit open on that new stadium. Now, the boys have some questions on personnel. I'm going to ask about the new stadium. How we doing? Howard a Bison. Howard a Bison. How we doing?

[Brandon Bean]

We're still growing those Bison, so they're still in the lab. Okay. We're trending well. It's good. It's going to be awesome. I promise you the.

[Pat McAfee]

Every picture or video that we get from the update or whatever, this place is going to be sick. I cannot wait to go up there and see a game, brother.

[Brandon Bean]

It's going to be. It's going to be so. I mean, for this city to get this, the stadium, it's going to be a masterpiece. I mean, I've only been in there a couple of times since, but it's. I'm blown away, you know, every time.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm over there, the aerial photo of it being right across the street from the older. The stadium you guys are in now is like such a good selling piece for any team that's looking to get a new stadium. Like, hey, look at what stadiums used to be and look what they can be now. And it's literally right across the street in the same photo. For you guys, it is. If we could find that photo so much bigger. It is just crap. Bigger night. I mean, it's just like, beautiful. All the technology advancements that you can have since the last time stadiums have been built. It's like, this is going to be good for the entire city. Even though the city is helping. Like, it is going to be good for the entire Buffalo Bills faithful. Bill's Nate. I don't know what the mafia Bills Mafia. Oh, my God. Wow. Come on.

[Brandon Bean]

Come on, Pat, you okay?

[Tone Diggs]

Getting back into it. Getting back into it.

[Pat McAfee]

You see this 10 preseason, I've been on a damn islands. That's on me. I am so sorry. Bill's Mafiosa La Costa. No, I would never, ever, ever, ever want to offend. Here's the photo that I was referring to. Yeah, it's like, this is the selling point here. If you're another city trying to get it and pitch it, it's like on the far corner there. Here, you see? That is what yesterday looked like.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

This is tomorrow. Okay, let's just go ahead and try to do that. It's just like, I can't wait. Your fans have certainly deserved it. Okay, let's talk about the team a little bit. You have gone seemingly okay. I know you probably don't like that. You say we go all in every year is what every general manager said. We spend all money we can spend every single year. We're going all in every single year. But this is the year, offseason year, where you had to make a lot of massive decisions, and you did. There's one that's kind of snuck under the radar in this entire thing. Go ahead, Tone.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, to that point being, I think it was like a month ago. There was a viral tweet that was like, holy shit, I forgot Joey Bosa's on the bill this Bills this year. And that's kind of snuck under the radar. How has Joey been and how do you expect him to be for that defense this year?

[Brandon Bean]

Yeah, it's been good to have Joey. You know, he missed some of the spring. He was dealing with a calf, but he's. He's had a good camp. We've tried to, you know, make sure we're. We're ramping him up, but. But not, you know, not beat him up too bad. And he's. He's done a great job. He's. He's got a good presence. You can see the rush in there. And I'm excited for what he's going to bring to our defense. And we've got some, you Know, we drafted, you know, some young guys on the D line. We signed a couple other guys. So it's been fun to just have his presence. Obviously, guys respect his game and what he's done and. No, you're right. It hasn't been talked about a lot. And I know Joey's out to prove he's battled a couple of injuries the last couple seasons, but he's out to prove that he still got it and he wants to help, you know, do it here in Buffalo. He played, you know, his college career in Ohio State, and I think he's alluded to a couple of times, it's. This feels like, you know, more like college town, college feel, blue collar, like. Like kind of getting him back. You know, he was obviously in LA for a while, different lifestyle, so it's been fun to see him kind of re. Energize.

[Pat McAfee]

Your camp is cool. Getting a chance to watch it through. Hard Knocks is a cool setup. It does feel very similar to what Latrobe feels like for Pittsburgh, for the Steelers, you know, and the fans embracing training camp and everything like that. It is. It's been really cool to watch how you guys do it. And also you're a team that can go for a Super bowl and every team can go for a Super Bowl.

[Darius Butler]

Of course, no, it's not real.

[Pat McAfee]

DButs doesn't think everything.

[Darius Butler]

It's only about six.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, well, if DBut's case, what he's saying and what I'm saying, you guys are going for super bowl and you're on Hard Knock. We're watching it kind of. It's cool. It doesn't happen a lot like that with Hard Knock. So it's like, we appreciate you guys letting him in there. Now. One of the stars, obviously early, has been the mvp. Go ahead, tie.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, Brandon, when I think if you're not a Bills fan and you're watching Hard Knocks, some people would look at Josh Allen and obviously everyone knows how talented he is, but it's like, oh, this guy's so jovial, so happy, you know, kind of happy. Go lucky almost. And then we hear the. The stories come out, how he's voted, you know, the number one talker in the league, and he obviously flips a switch and everything, but how evident is it? Like with his off field demeanor and his on field demeanor, is it like you guys notice on Sundays or Thursdays or Mondays, like, holy shit, this guy actually is a different human being when he's inside the lines?

[Brandon Bean]

Yeah, he's. He's all those things. You nailed it perfectly. Ty. He's. He's a jovial dude. He loves to practice. He loves to compete. He is a jokester. Like, you know, you should see some of the celebrations these guys do in practice. I'm trying not to laugh. I'm trying to be an adult sometimes.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, he also got Phyllis on bus with the boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. Yeah. Joke. We have good time. Yeah, yeah, I understand.

[Brandon Bean]

He's full of them. But even like today, for example, when. When the defense picks a ball off, even if it's not against him, sometimes he's on the sideline. It happened today. And the defender. Our rule is the defender, no matter how far you pick it off, you got to take it back the other way. And so one of our linebackers picked one off today in practice. It wasn't against Josh. And so as soon as the guy got by him, Josh chases him down, punches the ball, ball out, and the whole offense goes crazy. So it's like, hold on. The guy just made a hell of a play, and. And now he's getting abused by his teammates because he got the ball punched out. And that's. That's Josh, though. He. He loves to do it. I've. I thought that in Ford. I'm like, dude, if you freaking pull doing that, I'm gonna kill you.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but that's, like, hilarious, football guy, because all anybody's talking about is Josh punching that ball. It doesn't matter if the whistle's dead.

[Darius Butler]

Nope.

[Pat McAfee]

In training camp, I was trying to punch balls out. I'd be on a sideline with Vinnie. Somebody would catch the ball down the sideline. I'm going immediately for a punch. It's like the number one rule, like, don't drop if you have the ball. The ball is the program. Do not drop the ball even if the whistle's dead. That's like a training camp thing. The fact that Josh Allen's chasing people down when he's not on the field to punch it out. He's like a child out there. Yeah. Got a joy. Like a childlike joy for the sport of football. But then he's voted to Ty's point, the biggest shit talker. Whenever he goes on the field, he looks like a guy who could be president from what I'm watching and how everybody loves him. And on the field, he's an absolute dog. It's like, you got the guy. Is that why you had so much belief after year one, maybe year two? It's like, hey, it's all in there. And he's the right guy. There has to be some of that that you're seeing now.

[Brandon Bean]

No doubt. He's. Honestly, his personality reminds me a lot of Luke Keakley. Luke was obviously on defense, but quarterback, the defense in Carolina and Luke, like, you can try all day to get Luke to say a curse word outside the lines. Like, just. He's. I mean, he's one of those guys. I've seen him, like, pick up a water bar on the sideline and hand it to a trainer that another player dropped. It's like, dude, like, I can't believe you're focused on that. But he crosses the line. And you. You've heard him on some of the mic'd up things. Like, he's just. It's like he blacks out or something. We used to. We used to laugh at. And I think Josh is a little bit that way. He gets in the white lines and he just. He just blacks out and goes into a different mode.

[Pat McAfee]

Who was that? Some guy was maybe the Dolphins. Somebody was talking to him and he stopped and looked at the guy's last.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then he just kept walking. It's like so subtle. Just buried that guy. Just absolutely murdered him. Because that.

[Brandon Bean]

He's so witty.

[Pat McAfee]

Just so quick.

[Brandon Bean]

He's crazy. Yeah, that's. I'm scared that, honestly, when he. When he comes up to. To the talk or ask you a question, you literally freeze because you're scared he's setting you up for. For some. He's gonna get you. Like, it's. And so I have to sometimes say, are you serious? Like, are you serious? No, I'm serious. I'm serious. And even half those times when he. He finally gets you in, then he still, you know, pulls some kind of prank.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I'm serious. I'm serious. He's a part of the thing. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Have to sell it that way. Yeah, I have to sell it. And what, he's got 1500 acres now?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And a big ass. But in comparison to out there in California or something like that. Yeah. I mean, you got a cowboy, a farmer, a guy who could be president, obviously married to a Academy Award winner. Yeah. And it's like. And then he's voted and he's the MVP of the NFL. He's what everybody's looking for. And he's voted the biggest. Shit talk. Like that is my favorite. Like that is. I love that. All that can coexist.

[Brandon Bean]

Hey, he won the sportsmanship last year, too, after being the biggest. After being voted the biggest Shit, Sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know.

[Brandon Bean]

I don't know how that comes together, but congrats, dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk about an award. You're probably going to win Executive of the Year, especially if you guys get rolling. Go ahead, Con man.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Bean, it's a pleasure to see you. You're looking tan. Glad to know that you are aware that, you know, it takes more than an offensive line to block out the sun, but when you're looking at what you have done.

[Pat McAfee]

Great line from Coach McDermott.

[AJ Hawk]

Fantastic. I'm sure that commercial is going to be amazing. But when you look at the deals you have done, Brandon, the Josh one was early. A few others were very early. I believe Benford was as well. And then now, you know, James is kind of the last to get done. When you look at these deals, how important is it for you? Kind of getting ahead of what the market is going to turn into. And then when it comes to forecasting deals, you have to make a guy like Dalton Kincaid going into his third year, where you have to kind of decide on the fifth year after this one, are you thinking and trying to project what the tight end market will be to try and figure out what his contract will be? Do you wait and see how the performance is? How does that kind of work on your end?

[Brandon Bean]

Yeah, with all players, I mean, like, anything after their third year is the first opportunity you can extend them, and sometimes you want to see more, and sometimes you're like, no, this, this fits. And then sometimes you're like, yeah, I would like to extend them, but their markets, I just. I can't afford what their market is. And, you know, just based on where you are currently in that year. And so we made a lot of tough decisions. You guys know, last year when Pat told me all of our friends cut all of his friends. But part of that was in preparation, you know, getting a year ahead of this, knowing that we had some guys that we thought we would want to extend that were trending in the right direction. And so. And again, it takes two. Like these guys. You know, I respect these guys a lot because of course, as we said earlier, they could have tried to say, hey, I want to play it out and test it. Yeah, I want to stay here, but I want to see if I can run the meter up and. And how bad do you want me? And. Or I can go to the highest bidder and. And they've earned that right. You understand that? So it means a lot to me and our organization in the Pulas to. And Sean McDermott as well. That these guys, hey, we love it here. We like how you treating us. We like how we're being developed and we want to stay here and. And hopefully continue our career. Hopefully, we can keep them all in Buffalo as you know, as long as their career lasts. That time will tell on that. But you're constantly looking two and three years out to your point, on whether it's franchise tags, fifth year options, players that you've pushed, you've kicked the can down the road, what do you need to do with them? Do you need to restructure? Do you need to extend? All those conversations we're having, things can change. Injuries can happen. Guys can get past that you thought you might be extending, and you're like, they haven't kind of hit that next level. So they're kind of written in pencil more than pen at this point.

[Pat McAfee]

So fascinating, all of it. Especially with what's happening around the league. Do you look at it, obviously, every. All the other drama happening around you? You've told us yes in the past, because you might snoop around now. You can't really, at this point with how much money you've spent into the salary cap at this particular situation. Maybe you just looked at me and said, if there's a right situation, we can. We could still do some net nose.

[Brandon Bean]

I'm about to get in these couch cushions right here and see if we got anything.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, get some duct tape, you know, try to find the crumbs down there. Yeah, I understand, but you are like. Because there's. I think getting the deal done early is what we. From our coverage, from us just having to talk about everybody's drama, it feels like getting a deal done a year early is much better than getting a deal done either on time or a year late. Just seemingly from the drama in the inevitable. How much.

[AJ Hawk]

How many millions was it for for the Cowboys? They.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like 49 or 64 million altogether.

[AJ Hawk]

64 total. Yeah. Exactly. 50 million with Dak because they did the franchise tag and then extended them. And then the next extension was late as well, so it got ran up and then. 15 million with CD Lamp.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, 14.9 or something.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And now, granted, these are all just like Monday morning quarterbacking, obviously, in this whole thing and in the moment's vastly different. But it does feel like we're in a time where you have to pick who your guys are going to be and almost just tell them with money early. Do you. Do you think that's becoming a trend around the NFL, or do you think the NFL would try to make sure, hey, we pay you when these deals are done. How do you think this is all going to be navigated going forward?

[Brandon Bean]

Yeah, I mean, I think like anything, it takes two to get a deal done. And some of these players that maybe, you know, and I can't speak for them, I don't know, you'd have to ask the player, the agent. But maybe some of these players truly just want to see what's out there. And yes, they like it there, but they also feel like they can make a lot more. And again, that's why I say I respect a lot of what our guys did. They, they didn't want to test the market. They were, they were happy with, with the numbers we were able to get them. And I think that's always going to be the case. I think you're going to find teams that are able to find guys that enjoy being where they're at. They're happy with the money that you're offering them, and they're not trying to see if they can get another million, 2 million, whatever that is, in free agency to pack up and move their family to another city. And that's the. I think that's the case. Sometimes you see guys and they don't. Maybe they don't love it there, maybe they don't love their coach, maybe they don't love their situation. And then there's just guys that they want to just see that, like, hey, you know what? I'm, I'm six months away. I'm this close. We haven't reached a deal. I just want to play this thing out, which is their right. I respect that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It's interesting, the drama. The NFL is the greatest for us, obviously. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Love it.

[Pat McAfee]

James Cook's holding in up there, is being lost his fastball. Is it all falling apart up there? You know, that wouldn't even seem to be. Not very drama filled. You know, that was even like, hey, this is happening, this is happening. And then you guys get a deal done. That's great news. But I think it's also all, all these things that you're talking about for your guys. Not only do you find good guys and develop good guys and your mod, everything like that, but also you guys are good. Go ahead, D. Bud.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah. Speaking of the drama and narratives kind of outside, quarterbacks obviously got to deal with it, players in the locker room, but as a GM of the Buffalo Bills, who has to kind of get over that hump, it's been the Chiefs and then obviously you have the Ravens out there. But how much do you think about that, I guess, on a day to day building your team? Like I said, I know the players are kind of attached to their phones, but how much do you think about that on day to day?

[Brandon Bean]

Yeah, I mean, that's what drives us every day. I mean, from. Once you get over the loss and they, you know, when you. The further you go in the playoffs, you know, last year we lose in the AFC Championship, we've had a couple runs there. We've lost in the divisional round. And these games are all coming down to a play here, a couple plays there, a drive, missed, whatever, whatever the case may be. It's. It's gut wrenching, it's crushing. You got to get over it fast, though, and start planning. And again, that's. I think that's the, you know, the fabric of our team and our organization is, yes, we've come up short, but it's just, you know, digging a bigger chip on our shoulder. And that's kind of our mantra here. And yes, we know we haven't achieved what we need to. We've had consistency and continuity and we've won, you know, I think five divisions in a row. That's not the ultimate goal. We want, we want to hoist that thing, but we're not going to blow it all up. We're going to keep swinging the sword. We're going to learn from our losses. You know, I think in life, you know, I know me, I've learned way more from my mistakes or where I came up short. And I know that's cliche, but it's. It's the God's honest truth. You got to learn from it. And we're just going to keep kicking the door, and at some point, we got to find a way to kick the door.

[Pat McAfee]

Impact. Yeah. What year was it for Jordan? Yeah, I forget what it was. You know, there's some. There's so many different examples of the past of good teams, good teams, good teams becoming immortalized teams, you know, whenever they break the seal. Hope you guys are able to do that for the good of everybody in Buffalo, including yourself. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you for joining us in the middle of training camp here.

[Brandon Bean]

Appreciate you guys. Always fun to see you guys and hopefully we'll see you later this season.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, that Pegula Cookout, barbecue house gathering, whatever the hell they call it, that was really nice. Were you there?

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, he was.

[Brandon Bean]

I was. I was there. You know who else was there? Boyco was there.

[Pat McAfee]

Dog, your guy snuck In Boyco is absolute dog. Does Pagola know that boycott was there? Yeah, that's a good question.

[Brandon Bean]

No, no, he was. He was in the bushes, but he was there.

[Pat McAfee]

Vince Carter actually was like, the hell's going on? What's going on? You got a weirdo outside? No, he works for the book. All right, Shout out Boyco. Going to the big wig party. You deserve it, buddy. All right. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Buffalo Bills general manager Brennan Bean. Golf season's over for him, huh?

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[Pat McAfee]

Got a good tan, though.

[AJ Hawk]

He had a good, fantastic tan.

[Pat McAfee]

He's an unbelievable golfer. So good.

[AJ Hawk]

Seven. I mean, what was it? 76, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but remember we saw. Or was that Orlovsky?

[AJ Hawk]

That was Orlovsky.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Orlovsky's. We saw a lot of double penciling. Writing that scorecard pencil off for. For a reason, it feels like. Or because it was on the golf cart.

[AJ Hawk]

He added it up wrong.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there was a. And then a change and then a circle instead of a square. It's like, what do we do? We're not keeping score.

[AJ Hawk]

Not keeping Molly Beans.

[Pat McAfee]

Last four holes, remember? I think it was Beans. Last four holes were like, needed it. Par, birdie, par, birdie. I think, yeah, he's really good player. But to get the bet, I forget how much we had to donate. I forget what. It was pretty big.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, I think it was 50 or 100.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And we weren't there, so. You know, it's always interesting how we just get screenshots of scorecards and they say, yep, donate 50 grand. It's like, all right, you're right. Bean's an honorable guy. Yes, he is taking care of all his boys. He talks about last year, Last year's off season, which was just.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, turn that page.

[Pat McAfee]

See ya. They had to get to a new team. This is their new team. They are now in the era of their new team. You asked about getting over the hump. Do they.

[Darius Butler]

I mean, they gotta have all the pieces. They got an MVP quarterback, and you got a good team around them. I know if you've been a fan of that organization for a long time, because we. A lot of you guys probably don't remember, but the four years where they.

[Tone Diggs]

Lost four falls of all.

[Darius Butler]

Boy, I love losing the Super Bowl. You know, as a Dolphins fan who didn't win Super Bowls in my lifetime, we would obviously make fun of that. But, yeah, they gotta get over the hump, because being there, being that close, you know, he just kind of ran down. We all remember the 13 seconds and then and the felt tush push and all these different plays. But when you have that quarterback in place and you got a guy like Brandon Bean running the show, you'll have a chance every year.

[Pat McAfee]

You gotta get lucky.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

With injuries for sure. Have to get lucky. Every team does. That's why can't stress it enough. What the New England Patriots were able to do for 20 plus years is insane. Absolutely insane. Just because all you need is injury to one or two of your pillars, one or two important positions and all of a sudden you got a brand new team. It's like the Detroit Lions last year. Detroit Lions somehow still remain the number one team in the nfc. Brutal. And we couldn't name two players on the defense at the end of the season. Everybody got hurt. Over 20 guys. All pros.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

All on the defense.

[AJ Hawk]

I was like Tennessee that one year.

[Pat McAfee]

When Braves led Bengals. Did they lose the Bengals, right in Tennessee? Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

It was 90 active players during that season for them. And to your point there about losing to the Bengals, that's what stings for Buffalo. Is that like the Buffalo. It feels like their circle, like their target is Kansas City. And that one year where Kansas City and Buffalo played in the second round in Kansas City one then you know Cincy goes on to win the AFC championship because that it feels like that game the Buffalo Casey won every year.

[Pat McAfee]

It's the game it balls to the.

[AJ Hawk]

Wall no matter what that next week that team's going to be dead.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoever they really do call it thug. It's. It's like becoming the game. Yes, Josh.

[Darius Butler]

Patriots and Colts.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, exactly. Peyton.

[Darius Butler]

Tom had to get over there.

[Pat McAfee]

Now granted, Joe Burrow though fans would say who's the guy that Joe beats him. But do they have a defense? No, no, not yet.

[AJ Hawk]

Do they has a Tanner McKee on it and they're playing against Cincy since he's in trouble.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I understand what you're saying what happened in the first game of the preseason. But the Cincinnati Bengals are going to be an interesting case study on this modern NFL because it feels like what they are doing, lighting up on the offensive side, throwing it, everything like that, obviously paying two wide receivers top money, quarterback top money, everything like that. That feels like six years ago in the NFL. Okay. Yeah. Right now it feels like everybody is gearing up now that's because the Eagles are champs, but everybody's gearing up run game. And like it feels like that is what everybody's kind of going O line dealer trenches in run game. And it's Like I feel like the Bengals will be able to score with anybody, but the other teams might be able to just hold the ball. They might not have a lot of because that's like the defense gets Patrick Mahomes. How do you beat Patrick Mahomes? Well, you got to keep them off the field. How do you keep off the field? Well, you control the ball and they play good defense if you can. It's like teams will be able to potentially do that against this Bengals team and I think they're just expecting it. I think it's like, yeah, we might have score 50 points to win a game.

[Darius Butler]

We know we all watch for football, been around the game. We know that recipe isn't going to work. Yeah, great offense will not work on any high level football, especially in the National Football League. Even with Patrick Mahomes, like he's obviously been great on his run. But Spags had that defense playing at a high, high level. When the Bengals beat the Chiefs, Lou had a great game plan for him that they went out there and executed. So defense at some point is going to have to get out there and win you the games. Joe Burrow just had an MVP caliber year last year and they were fighting and scratching the claw and to make the playoffs, which they didn't. So we know that recipe won't work. And then when you're still doing business, how they're doing it with a guy like Trey, who's been a pillar with their defense, leading the league in sacks, you don't even have this guy suited up yet. Like you got to get that stuff sorted out. You have to have a chance to have some playmakers on that defensive side of the ball. Joe Burrow is phenomenal, one of the best two headed monsters at wide receiver. But that the recipe in the NFL has never been a win through wide receivers. Look at some of the greatest wide receivers receivers in National Football League history that went and retired without Super Bowls. You got to win the game on the ground, in the trenches and then your phenomenal quarterbacks don't have to make some big those plays.

[Pat McAfee]

Your wide receiver is going to have to make plays for you.

[Darius Butler]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, quarterback have to make plays. But those are in moments.

[Darius Butler]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

And in those moments you got to make them. And it feels like the Bengals will always have those moments offensively where it'll be big. But it's like in the playoffs. Does that matter? We'll see, I guess.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, when they went to the super bowl, like, of course you have to pay, Joe. You have to pay Jamar but they were on rookie, rookie deals so they had money on the defense. That's when Jesse Bates was there.

[Pat McAfee]

He's like almost mvp.

[AJ Hawk]

He's all pro. Yeah. He was unbelievable. Like they had guys money to spend and and obviously you have to pay Joe and Jamar. That has to happen. But like the, the T. Higgins one. That's why it didn't really make any sense. Just because it's like, hey, you do need your number one wide receiver. You need a quarterback. You need. Yeah. Number two. But isn't Burrow almost where Josh Allen is? Where it's like, hey, you would hope that your quarterback is going to make the guy that might not be a number two.

[Pat McAfee]

No. Yeah. But they're paying him as number one. They have two ones basically and it was very evident that they had two ones when they've been playing together and we all assume business wise not going to be able to get everybody done. They did on the offensive side. Do they lose Trey Hendrickson? We shall see. Will they be okay with that? Will it work?

[Tone Diggs]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

No. All right, look, I get to a break.

[Tone Diggs]

Look at the weather in the cities they're going to have to go to. Like you're not going to win a whole lot of 49, 42 games.

[Pat McAfee]

Joe Bur's from Ohio.

[Tone Diggs]

But they can't stop the run and they can't run it.

[Pat McAfee]

So we'll see. It's a whole new year.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, you're right.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Evan Fox]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

Bingo.

[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

It's kind of like what happened with college basketball. We saw where that FAU team that Went to the Final Four two years ago or three years ago this year there was a player from that team that was on every single Final four team. Like the Chanticleers, Coastal Carolina. Remember when they were the 16th or 15th team like those guys. I bet if you were to go back and look at the players on that team who played, I bet most of them transferred. Like that kid Willie Lampkin who we, the next AQ Shipley that we said was went to North Carolina, started at Coastal like made a name for himself, got good, did, did one year at North Carolina, then goes to the league. So it's like, hey, for me personally as a casual, hey, that's a guy who went to North Carolina acc, but in reality he's a Coastal Carolina Chanticleer and that's where he made his name for himself.

[Pat McAfee]

On the teal field, bro.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly. On the teal field. Like all those type of schools. It feels like that used to be those sweet like oh wow, Coach Carolina is 20th in the country. It's like if that does happen then you're going to see all those guys from that 20th team, unless it's a rich rod situation who come in there.

[Pat McAfee]

Freshman year, nine year NFL vet Dairy Shapel is shaking his head crazy. Hey, it's cold world.

[Darius Butler]

It's a cold game. You know kids, they got you just turned. We see them commit now. They're like professional athletes at that point. What was the guy's name yesterday?

[Pat McAfee]

Jake Crawl.

[Darius Butler]

Jake named, you know his, basically his team of like 10 to 12, 15 people going into college. So yeah, once you get there and you have that year, he's going to a big time school. So hopefully he's, he's already done that coaching.

[Pat McAfee]

He did that.

[AJ Hawk]

I know.

[Darius Butler]

So those are the guys you expect to be, you know, one helmet guys in college now. Now it's kind of going to be those guys going into college. It's crazy. Who's it with the Rams? Lesni was talking about all the guys that he drafted. They started basically on a lower level of college and then transferred up and hungry.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

So yeah, it's crazy. It's going to be tough for those schools who aren't in that group of four.

[Pat McAfee]

That's an incredible power forward. What is that psychology or sociology? I don't know what it would be. What psychology? I guess him saying we want the guys that one star, right. We want the one, two star guys that made a name for themselves because we know they will always have a chip on their shoulder. That's some scouting coordinator or Some scout walked into the room, was like, we now have a new opportunity here to get a good read on what a guy's gonna be. If they start at Incarnate word and then they have to work their way through the state of Washington and then they end up at Miami. Probably great work ethic. Probably somebody who is meeting people, probably somebody that's gonna have a chip on his shoulder, is probably told he wasn't good enough coming out of high school. Think about these kids, J. Crew, which we are lucky and honored to be a part of these moments. Anytime that a massive situation happens like that for somebody's life, we're honored to be a part of that. You think Cam Ward, anybody cared what had he put on coming out of high school? Nope. Do you think whenever he was looking around at everybody else, getting all the glitz and glamour, he didn't think to himself, I'm better than that. I'm better than that mother. I'm better than that guy. I'm better than. Than that guy. So him working his way up, that is an indicator, I think. So them using that, whenever it comes to scouting a guy, I think it's a good play. But once again, we are promoting now.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

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[Tone Diggs]

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[Pat McAfee]

AJ Hawk, ladies and gentlemen. AJ Hawk. Have you heard everything we're saying here about the college football world and having a feeding teams, basically? And you just got to hope that if you are a feeding team, that you have enough players in one class in one year that you can go on a real run and maybe change things. Or you got to hope that you just get a group of dudes that just want to stick together and build a program that feels like where we're potentially headed right now.

[Neil Shipley]

AJ I think that's definitely where we're headed. And think about some of these kids that are coming out of coming out of high school. Like, you're hearing kids getting offered freshman, sophomore year, like, so early. Think about those kids that think they're a five star that are talented, but they don't get offered by these big time Division 1 schools.

[Brandon Bean]

Right.

[Neil Shipley]

They're gonna go somewhere and like, you know, there's somebody, some parent or coach saying, hey, don't worry. Hey, you go to. I'm not gonna, I don't know, any kind of like, you know, mid level school.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't say. You were about to say. Don't you even. Yeah. What? I know.

[Neil Shipley]

I was gonna say I had no schools in mind. I really didn't. But I'm saying, think about it. Go there. You have one good year. Work your balls off. Guess what? You're gonna get called up from the. The Ohio states, the Penn states, the Florida State, whoever the school is, you want to go to the West Virginia, Rich Rod's going to call you up. So, like, that's part of it now too, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's a good sell. And also, I bet you that some of the coaches on those teams are saying, hey, you're going to play here, okay? You're going to have an opportunity to do really well for yourself. And there's a chance that literally next year you're seeing what guys are signing for that. You get that opportunity. We just want to provide you with that. Like, there's some schools that will take advantage of that ice and they're like, you're going to get playing time immediately here. You know, I mean, if you go back to Shador and Travis.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, they go into Jackson State and they start playing, they take over the entire thing. Then they take the entire show to Colorado, you know, and just kind of do the. They almost had an entire. Yeah. I think they got plucked from small school HBCU to a Big 12 school. The entire operation, not only just the players, we want the entire operations. Bring your social media team up here, bro. The lights and sound people up here. We obviously, all the coaches, anything, they pluck the entire thing up there. So it's like, I guess we have seen some situations, like, really work out.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. See? Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

But then there's also the flip side of it too. Like some of those teams, like a Boston College who is in a power conference, but like, that is the exact reason why Jeff Halfley, who was their head coach, left and went to go coach in the NFL. He's like, we get four guys who have unbelievable seasons and they don't even think about coming back. Coming back. It's just like, get me the hell out of here. I'm not going to the playoff with Boston College. I'll go play in The SEC or I'll go play at a better ACC school or whatever. So, like there are. There are both sides to it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And we would like everybody, all these kids to remember that when Rich Rod calls from West Virginia, if you're thinking about transferring, that's where you won't be. Yeah. Okay. If you're tough, if you're not tough, we don't want you tough, though. We want you. I got texts from alumni of West Virginia, Voice of certain Mountaineers.

[AJ Hawk]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Old Whitey Williams. Williams. And he said, Ridge Rod needs just market tough. We want the toughest dudes. That is who we want to be the toughest team in America. And I'll tell you, I'll be excited to see how it works out with how Rich is, you know, just like coach rule, I guess Coach rules the same way coach rules. Like, we're not doing tick tocks. We're not doing the whole thing like it is, because other places are going to feast on that whenever they're recruiting. Like, hey, have you seen this video? You're going to get yelled at. You're going to do this. So I think like, these schools going to have to find their niche, who they are, but also you're going to have to have money. I mean, that's just. End of the day, that's just how it is in college ball.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. It's just like even just thinking about the arc now for players, it's more like coaches, like coaches, you go to the small school to do well and then so you can leave the players you recruited to go to a better school to recruit better players to then leave that school and go to another one. And then maybe you either become a Saban or then you go to the NFL. And for a guy like Jeff Halfley, you know, he might have thought, well, all my players are leaving and I'm not going to get an offer to be the head coach of Alabama or Ole Miss because I'm the head coach at BC and my team hasn't gotten better because all my good players leave. So instead of doing that, I'll just go to the NFL and then maybe I can go NFL coordinator to NFL head coach instead of head coach of BC to head coach of Bama. And now that's what it is for players getting to the NFL. It's kind of awesome, honestly.

[Evan Fox]

There's two situations this year where guys went from smaller schools, quarterbacks went from smaller schools to bigger schools, and their OC came with them. John Mateer and his OC came from Washington State to Oklahoma. And then Devin Dampier and his OC went from New Mexico UNLV to Utah. So it's like. That's like a feeder line, too. Like, oh, this quarterback's great. We're going to bring his OC with him, too.

[Pat McAfee]

So he likes. He likes. This was like Cliff Kingsbury was allegedly going to go with Caleb to wherever he was going to go because they knew each other from college or whatever. Joining us now is a man who might have more information on this. To be honest, I don't know his college. I assume it's vast because he loves the draft.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. His college alumni or no, his college.

[Pat McAfee]

Could do very well, I think, if they wanted to get into the game from our understanding.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Of said university. I think there's a lot of money floating around that particular school. School 100 Emmy Award winner, sideline reporter for Monday Night Football. ESPN pundit, friend of the program. He was boots loafers on a grind yesterday at the jets and Giants training camp, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, potentially tassels. No socks either. Just. Oh, my God. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrey. How you doing, brother?

[Peter Schrager]

I'm doing better. Great WI fi today. Feeling good?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Well, not only great WI fi today, you've had a great morning. Hey, you have crushed this morning. And how good does it feel back in there in New York? We're mingling. We're at Jets, Giants training camp. We're down in New York City at the ABC News studios down there. Now we're in our basement here doing the entire conversation. It feels like we're all the way back in the football season. Trace, is that. Is that how you're feeling?

[Peter Schrager]

It absolutely does. And I'll tell you, just getting one day yesterday, just boots on the ground, seeing the jets and Giants hit.

[Pat McAfee]

Boots, it.

[Peter Schrager]

You smell it. It's good. Like, we're back and I know it's a few weeks away, but these inner camp practices that are going on all week, whether it be Philly taking on the Browns, whether it be the Colts and what they're doing with the packers, who. Whoever is playing right now. Of course, I have heard from so many coaches, this is better than the preseason, these practices, the ones that versus ones in front of the fans. This is the stuff where you're actually hitting and you're encouraging them to. And it's a test of strength. Like, I'll tell you, Pat, I get excited.

[Pat McAfee]

It's.

[Peter Schrager]

No, it's early. But like, the jets strength of their team is the offensive line. They have all these first Round picks. The Giants strength of their team is their defensive line. They were hit in the last two days, and I'm like, let's go.

[Pat McAfee]

We like to see the boys out there in New York. You were Giants faithful or Jets. I don't remake Giants. Right.

[Peter Schrager]

I grew up a Giants fan, but I am impartial now, my friend. I like all 32 teams.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course you do. Yeah. Shaking hands. Not a human in there. No. It can't have any rooting interest in it all. Okay, so let's go to the complete opposite side of the country, and this is where I want to start with you, strictly because I know how close you are to the entire situation. We all do. Matthew Stafford in this mortal portal and then him missing things where they say he's going to be. Him being in street clothes. And then obviously this lingering as long as it has. Once again, we're still three weeks in a day from kickoff on a Thursday night in Philadelphia. There's still a lot of time for a lot of things to happen. This seemingly lingering longer than any of us could have imagined. But the messaging is if there was to be a game tomorrow, he would play. What is the situation with Matthew Stafford as you know it, and how does Coach McVeigh feel going into the season about it all?

[Peter Schrager]

He's 37 years old, so there's nothing he's going to learn in this training camp that he hasn't done right.

[Pat McAfee]

He's.

[Peter Schrager]

He's going to do it. There's not going to risk an injury with him in training camp. That said, two weeks ago, I said I had zero concern about any of this. Last week I said F1 to 10. I'd say one. We're now three weeks and four days from. From opening day. And they play a good Texans team opening day with a good front. Like, I'd like to see him throw. You know, there was an expectation that he was going to play Monday. Obviously, he doesn't.

[Pat McAfee]

The.

[Peter Schrager]

The thing I'm hearing is this. They're being ultra, ultra, ultra cautious and that Matthew, if it was up to him, would probably be out there. But they are not risking anything. He's had some pain. They're just gonna let him sit until he feels he's fully ready. Until they feel he's fully ready. Best doctors in the world out there with that team. Best trainer in Reggie's, Scott. But the question is, does he eventually get some reps in practice before week one? Because as great as we might think on paper, it all is, and as amazing as he was in the, in the June and May months. We'd like to see it in August just for our comfort from the outside looking in. I don't, I don't get the sense that they're concerned about week one. I do get the sense that they were happy with how the offense is looked with Jimmy Garoppolo if just in case they had to go that way. Everyone I spoke to from who was there, they sliced and diced up that Dallas defense and Jimmy was at quarterback during the inter camp scrimmages. So it's going to be an interesting one. But they're not panicking yet. Sean's not panicking. Front office isn't panicking. And from what we know of Stafford, he is one of these guys that if he wanted to get out there, we know he could tough it out. Yeah, but that's not the answer you want to hear over an 18 week season with a bad back.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's Stofford with Ough in the middle there. We know how tough he is in its entirety. He has been, he and I and D. Butts actually drafted in the same class. This is my life. He's still doing the football. Go ahead.

[Neil Shipley]

AJ Shregs, is there any, is there a possibility that Stafford wants to get out and he feels like he can practice and the Rams are just being very protective of him. They're trying to look out for his longevity. I know that's the to think people think, how's this guy supposed to play, you know, 18, 20 games hopefully this year?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, look, he hasn't said it outwards and the Rams haven't told me that. But the fact that he was throwing on Saturday and had a session where he threw the ball 60 times, I just knowing Matthew, I think he would play if it was up to him and he's being ultra cautious. But I'm sure that the trainers and the medical staff are the ones advising him here that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's be out. Ultra, ultra sure gets a little tricky on who wants to do what and who says what. But if it was week one tomorrow, I don't care what's going on, Matthew Stafford would have been out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, and Matthew Stafford is special. We're watching these highlights. The one where he's looking directly at the camera and then he's unbelievable. It gets Eagles.

[AJ Hawk]

Eagles.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And he throws slant inside. Touchdown. This is in, this is deep. Like was that championship.

[AJ Hawk]

That was the divisional round.

[Pat McAfee]

Divisional round, yeah. That's playoff game. Very important. Just no look saucing at that point, it's like, he is so talented. Such a good.

[Peter Schrager]

We forget, like, they did the top 10 list. Jeremy Fowler put out the top 10 quarterbacks. And a lot of people were like, Stafford's above Hertz. And I'm like, you could have your hurts argument. Stafford is amazing. Let's not forget what Stafford did last year. And if they're all healthy this year.

[Pat McAfee]

You don't need to do this. T.R. you're already. You're hosted in first take, you're hosting get out. And you're. You're already doing it. You're already starting to just pin one against the other. Okay. Obviously, different situations. With that being said, here's what Peyton Manning had to say about Jalen Hurts when he was talking to Chris Cullensworth. He's on the PFF plus pod, I do believe. And what Peyton has to say about Jalen at this exact moment is very, very fascinating, especially because of the whole. There's two camps, it feels like, on Jalen, which are probably always will be. Here's Peyton's thoughts on it. I mean, it tells you all about his mental toughness, right? Because that's the kind of situation where it's embarrassing and you just don't sort of recover from it mentally or emotionally. So it tells you how mentally tough he is. And they said, you know, he was the first guy to high five TUA in the locker room and, you know, was as celebratory after that win as, you know, all the players that were, you know, involved in the game. And you're right. I mean, he's played so well in both those Super Bowls. But I like the way he goes about it. He calls me a lot. I'm. I'm just. And ask me lots of questions. They actually run a lot of plays that we used to run. Sirianni to Frank Wright to Tom Moore, sort of that chain. And he calls me with very specific questions about certain plays. So he's a student of the game, you know, as another example. You think, I mean, he squats 600 pounds. He can, you know, run over guys he can throw in a mile. But his appreciation of the cerebral part of the game is what's impressive to me and how he's taken his game to the next level. And I think the sky's the limit for this game. I love to hear that. And obviously, I think Peyton probably enjoys the hell out of current quarterbacks calling and asking for help because he gets to nerd out at a level that only a few can really understand. I heard you lay, I think, say he was the super bowl mvp, won a Super Bowl. He's not being disrespected or something. It's not about what he wins on the field. It's about how everybody talks about him, shrinks. That's. That's what we're doing in there. Do you feel that Jalen Hurts is always just going to be scrutinized, just like Sirianni seemingly always going to be scrutinized. Do you think that's just how it's going to be and that's kind of what life is going to be like for him, even though some others might not experience the same?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah. It's unfortunate for him that he's surrounded by so much talent and people look to that offensive line as the best in the league. They look at those two wide receivers as two of the best in the league, and they look at Saquon Barkley as the best running back in the league. So you take a look at this team and he's the one who gets kind of notched below because 2900 passing yards. He's not going to win you a fantasy championship yet. I look at it biggest games. Here's the guy out playing Mahomes in two different Super Bowls. Here's a guy winning super bowl mvp, makes every big throw. He's had six different offensive coordinators the last six times he's taken the field for an NFL or college football football team. So I think it's fair for both sides. I think you're allowed to say, hey, look, this guy might not be the first overall pick if I'm redrafting the NFL right now, and he might not be a top five quarterback if I'm redrafting my quarterbacks. But you can also say he has done everything you possibly could ask for and that he is the perfect quarterback for that city, for that team and for that coach. And you nailed it with Sirianni. I think if you polled all 32 NFL head coaches, hey, who are the coaches you respect the most in the league or who's the coach that you think is tops in the game? I don't think they respect Sirianni either. I don't think he's viewed as a top 10 coach despite all the success. I think they also hold the same stuff against him. But he's perfect for Philly, he's perfect for that locker room, and he is perfect for that quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

That's so fascinating to hear about Sirianni and his peers because you would Think that they would appreciate somebody who acts like himself and has great stuff success. But he probably tells him, hey, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of. There's a lot of that out of Siriani.

[Tone Diggs]

You know, I bet he loves that.

[Pat McAfee]

That. Oh, the other coaches don't. Oh, who cares? Okay.

[Tone Diggs]

I just go beat their ass on Sunday, I guess.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, but you're a doofus.

[Peter Schrager]

They, they, they could say that, right? I think Jeremy Fowler did. Quarterbacks, wide receivers. I think I would love to do an anonymous poll.

[Pat McAfee]

Anonymous.

[Peter Schrager]

At the owners meeting, 32 head coaches vote on your peers. You should one to 32. Because we could do it in media and we could give Kyle Shanahan and McVeigh and all these guys their flowers. This guy Sirianni, every year is in the playoffs and the last two out of the three is finding himself in the big game. So I, I respect the hell out of him. I don't know if he gets the same respect amongst his peers that maybe, maybe we. He deserves.

[Pat McAfee]

The whole media is calling for his job after wins. Yeah, I mean, that is straight.

[Darius Butler]

Knows a lot more head coaches than I do, but I think his peers respect him because they know what it takes. Regardless of what type of talent you have, what type of players you have, where to get a group of guys to buy in. Especially talk about those wide receivers. They ran the ball more than they threw the ball, so those guys got to buy in.

[Pat McAfee]

They know it more than anybody else.

[Darius Butler]

Howie does a great job running that team as well. So being on the same page with him and then the six, the different coordinators on both sides of the ball that he's had to deal with and manage. Like, I'm sure his peers have a high respect for that media. Maybe not so much because day one, we remember his first.

[Pat McAfee]

You can't ever change unless they get more athletes.

[AJ Hawk]

Even peers. Even too, though with how many, like older coaches have gotten back in, he still might not be top 10 like some people might just. And granted, I mean, I'd be curious. I'm one of those people. But like Pete Carroll, you know, he hasn't been in for a while, but that Pete Carroll's back in football now.

[Pat McAfee]

So if they see his name on a list.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly. I'm assuming people are putting. Carol went and worked for him.

[Darius Butler]

And then he.

[Peter Schrager]

Look, you go through Mike Vrabel's a new coach, everyone's gonna say, well, if Rabel is one of those guys, you're gonna put Sean Payton, he's one of those guys. Pete Carroll well, he's one of those guys. Andy, you go down the list soon you're at 3, 4, 5, 6 and you read is definitely one of those guys. Like, yeah, this is the way we talk about.

[Pat McAfee]

So they're not going to do the actual vote. They'll never do. That's what we're saying. 32 yeah, it'll never. That's a fascinating. Anonymous I would like my coach too. I would like my coach.

[Darius Butler]

Oh no, I will never say, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Good, I like that. That's part of the. That's good. Anonymous But I would like my coach to abstain from doing anything. Anonymous I would like the coach to say, nah, everything I do, I want my name on it. I would like to. I was approached to do an anonymous vote in the locker room one time and I said, nah, I'd rather just put my name on it. And then they told me what it was. I was like, I'm not doing that.

[Neil Shipley]

What was it for?

[Pat McAfee]

There was a vote on something, you know, Anonymous players were polled on something, you know, it was like, how could this poll actually give proper context to what this situation is? You know, just so many things I hated about like I let alone the anonymity about it. I don't like that at all. You know, I don't like. Now granted, I know there's safeness and like safety and wellness for whistleblowers. Okay, so a little different. I understand in the real world, I understand in the real world we need anonymity for things, but in sports, I really hate it. I, I really, I don't like now I know it has to happen too. And I know agents are doing things and there's always work and there's leverage and, you know, there's everything like that. I hate the Anonymous I know you love. You're an Emmy award winning journalist.

[Peter Schrager]

I don't do it either. Hey, I don't do the. And I'll tell you what, I came out on, on I came out of the gates, espn shot out of a cannon draft time and I was like, I don't, I don't have a team that has Shador Sanders as one of their top guys. And I got crushed for it. Everyone's like, oh, you're killing the kid. You're going to be wrong. And that's what I'll say. I'll just tell you what I'm hearing from teams but I'm not going to be one who's going to say, hey, anonymous source tells me this about this locker room or not unless I Feel like it's someone that's worth a damn. I'm not taking it from the equipment assistant to the regional manager. Whatever it is, like, it has to be on good stuff for me to go.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, those are the ones. The best.

[AJ Hawk]

The best poll we have now yearly with the NFL is the report cards because we know it's coming from the players, the players and the people in the building. Like, and it's not a who's doing this.

[Pat McAfee]

And once again, congrats. The Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, yeah. Cardinals went from F minus on every side. Everything at least couple season Bs. Right? Our guy. We love that.

[AJ Hawk]

Cincinnati.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's talk about some football stuff, shall we? Go ahead. Ty.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, Shrigs. What? Do we have any kind of Update on Terry McLaurin? We saw a picture from commander's camp that him and Adam Peters were talking to each other. He looked pretty bummed out. You know, obviously a tough situation just standing there. But like, what, what's going on here? I think everyone kind of assumed that this was going to get done at some point and now, you know, we're three weeks in a day from the season starting and nothing's happening. Like what's going on. They obviously need him. If they want to replicate what they did last year, they need him.

[Peter Schrager]

But at what cost? I think it's a fascinating, fascinating one here because you can go in on Micah and Trey Hendrickson and you can talk about the numbers and APY and all this. Terry McLaren is a fascinating case. And I talked about this weeks ago with you guys. It hasn't changed in that he wants a certain number and I don't know the exact number, but it's a certain number of a certain caliber of wide receiver and it's in that range of guys where he and his agent believe he belongs and has put the time in and has earned it and is and is more than just a player. He's the locker room, he's the face, he's everything. And I think the Washington side of it is, let's be realistic here, he's this years old. What's he going to be ascending to? Are we paying him on past performance? Adam Peters was with the Niners when they went through some, some brutal negotiations. And they usually found a way before the season started. They usually got things done. I think Adam Peters will find a way to get it done with his, with his agent, Buddy Baker, who's an Indianapolis based guy, legend for many years. And of course Terry is an Indianapolis based guy. But right now it seems like they're a bit apart and the guaranteed money might be the. Might be the aspect or it might just be apy. Whatever it is, they're not willing to just say, you know what, the last three years we stunk and you were the nicest guy and you were the best guy and you wore the sea. We're going to reward you and then pay you on future. They want to pay him for what they think that they think they're going to get in the future on that contract. And I don't know if they necessarily look at him as a Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson type player.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so on that note, you think Terry was a Colts fan growing up?

[Tone Diggs]

Without a doubt.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Man. It'd be great for him to come save the team. How great would Terry McLaurin be in the Indianapolis Colts locker room on that offensive side of the ball legitimately, let alone playing ability, which is unbelievable. Maybe not Malik Neighbors, which I think Malik neighbors going to be great. Obviously saw highlights. You told us with a straight face that Malik neighbors ranked higher than. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's there non biased. Non biased.

[Peter Schrager]

This isn't the New Yorker in me. I think Malik Neighbors is viewed as a top tier. Going to be one of those guys.

[Pat McAfee]

And Terry is. Terry already has. Already. Yeah. Terry like nonetheless. So you media maybe views Terry a little bit. Media, yeah. Media whole as a whole. As a whole, you representing them all. That's why that's how we're going to treat you going forward. Here's Terry McClure as a child. Wait a second. The plot.

[Tone Diggs]

Holy shit.

[Pat McAfee]

Now I just. I would like to let the Washington commanders know. Okay. That I am. I am just going to speak for one city. Okay.

[AJ Hawk]

I think you can speak for about 10. I was.

[Tone Diggs]

Because I'd killed for the packers to have.

[Pat McAfee]

But I'm just adding in the fact that the Indianapolis Colts thing like the narrative could easily be like, hey brother, we need your leadership in this locker room. We need you in the weight. We need you. We need you. That is how Terry is viewed, I think by everybody. Right? Like this guy is the locker room guy, the guy you want leader dog. And also will show up and compete like he's. Which is why I ask you this. Shrikes is letting him sit out there with a hoodie on looking like an asshole a part of the leverage from the team. I do wonder with that. Like the holdings making guys go stand out in front of their teammates, in front of the fans. Like media is obviously taking photos of them and just kind of doing it. I think that goes against a lot of what these guys are naturally, especially Terry. Like, I think Terry does not want to be a distraction. I think Terry wants to be with his team. So it's like, I wonder if that is utilized as a point of leverage. Like, at some point he'll get sick of having to go out there and just stick out like a sore thumb, which I assume he does. How much is that chatted about Shregs? Because that is something that never really gets talked about. Is like, I bet you Terry hates, just like Trey Hendrickson, like, they hate that this is a part of the entire game.

[Peter Schrager]

I would assume they hate being fined even more. And if they're not there, they get fined real money. And those. Those fees cannot be forgiven like those are. They used to be. All right, hold out. And then when you come into camp, we'll. We'll pay it all back. Like, that's the new cba. Like, that's it. You miss a day of practice, you are being fined and you are going to pay for that. So he has to be there. So, of course the team carries the way. Everyone in the stands is watching him sit there with a hoodie on, and they're like, well, he's just signed a contract two years ago. Why is he not out there? He makes $25 million. Is that not. The narrative starts to turn every single day you're not out there. That said, he's standing on business. And that's what the kid.

[Pat McAfee]

So basically, Pac man, that is. That's literally what he's standing on right there. If you were to. If you were to look at that particular picture right there. But, yeah, I assume that I completely changed the way I view Jonathan Taylor with the way the entire thing went. And I assume Jonathan Taylor didn't love it at all, but we just had number four overall pick. You were one of the team's not good, brother. You get paid a lot of money, and now you're with a new quarterback, new coach, new regime, new everything needs you out there. Need you. Yeah, you're the. You're the best player.

[Darius Butler]

Gotta stand. No business.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what he did. And he got rewarded for it. So that's. That sets a Maybe Terry does, too, for the rest of the team.

[Darius Butler]

His deal. His deal is looking good. Aging well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, it is.

[Darius Butler]

But didn't. Didn't Terry request the trade?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like him.

[Darius Butler]

Where. Where are they at with that?

[Peter Schrager]

I don't know about all that.

[Darius Butler]

I thought I saw that.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you making Things up right now.

[AJ Hawk]

No, I thought. I thought he requested a trip.

[Darius Butler]

Thought I saw it.

[Tone Diggs]

That was.

[Pat McAfee]

We're getting word from the back. He did request a. Whoa. Did he?

[Peter Schrager]

I don't. I don't know that. Look, I know Michael Parsons did, you.

[Pat McAfee]

Know, wrote the, The.

[Peter Schrager]

The biblical scrolls, the ten Commandments, and actually came out publicly did all that. I don't. I don't know if. I don't know if Terry is going to be as vocal about that. If he did make a trade request, it was behind closed doors via his agent, and it wasn't as public as what's going on between Jerry and Micah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, well, just. Chris Ballard, why don't you go ahead and kick the tires. Why don't we go ahead snoop or snoop around, though? Adam Schefter. July 31, Terry McLaren requested a trade as Schultz report also reported. Schultz. He got that one first, it sounds like. So had to. Had to pay a little bit of re.

[Peter Schrager]

Schultz yesterday. He was at Jets, Giants.

[Pat McAfee]

No. Yeah. That is. Yeah. If you were to tell me or ask. Ask me, who is one person you think that is definitely at Jets Giants training camp.

[AJ Hawk]

Gun. Gun to the head.

[Pat McAfee]

This is it. You get it wrong.

[AJ Hawk]

You're the universe.

[Peter Schrager]

Say that about everyone. I saw Schultze.

[Pat McAfee]

He was there. Good.

[Peter Schrager]

He's all, food's on the ground.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course he is. That's what Schultz does. But also.

[Tone Diggs]

Oh, yeah, shaking hands.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God.

[Tone Diggs]

Kissing babies.

[Pat McAfee]

Thanks for having me back, guys. The amount of friends that. Family friends that, that are roaming around down there, that he is known as facts.

[Peter Schrager]

Schultze was there. That's all I'm saying.

[Pat McAfee]

Boots on the ground. Schultze, I think he's doing his own independent thing, too. Right. To get in that door by himself. Good for him, man. Well, he's independent. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Eventually.

[Tone Diggs]

I don't think he kicked that thing down.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he maybe made a call.

[Tone Diggs]

Or two and they, you know, rolled the red carpet out, but still got it done.

[Pat McAfee]

Still got it nonetheless. Yeah, still there. Which we love. That's what we love about him. Let's do a little inside information stuff. You know, what's going on in the state of Cheese. Go ahead. AP Tone.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, Straight. We're talking about teams that could use wide receivers, potentially. The Green Bay packers wide receiver room is currently a walking morgue. It feels like. It feels like they have a wide receiver dropping every single day. Also.

[Pat McAfee]

What. What.

[Darius Butler]

What was that?

[Tone Diggs]

No, go ahead.

[Evan Fox]

Also, their quarterback is having surgery on his left hand. The non throwing hand. What do we think?

[AJ Hawk]

The.

[Evan Fox]

The Panic level right now is in Green Bay.

[Peter Schrager]

Look, I, I will say this. A lot of people like, oh, it's his non throwing hand. Like it's not like it's not great, it's not fatal, it's not something that's like, oh, they're not going to go.

[Pat McAfee]

To the Super Bowl.

[Peter Schrager]

But like to not have Jordan Love in practice because of a non throwing hander, to not have him being his full, like that's not great to have that in August. Last year. Last year they go, week one, he gets hurt on that surface down there in Brazil, comes back, and you could argue the entire season. He came back very soon, got back on the field quicker than a lot of people anticipated, played through injury, got them to where they were. And maybe the whole season wasn't the same way as it should have been if he was just healthy. Week one, you don't want to always have. Yeah, but with the quarterback now, this was an avoidable thing, whatever it is. The wide receivers room sounds like injuries here, issue here, you know, whatever you got over there, it, it still don't feel like, all right, go Packers. Whereas you want it to come into this season humming on all things. Look, the response from golden so far has been unbelievable. Jordan Love has talked glowingly of him. This is the first time they've got this guy. Is he a blue chipper? I think we're putting him on that mantle right now or putting him in that spot. I think we've got to see it before we say, oh, the packers are this much better on offense this year because they got Matthew Golden.

[Pat McAfee]

We'll see.

[Tone Diggs]

No, yeah, I mean, I agree on all points. I mean, the thing I won't panic about, Josh Jacobs is going to get 400 carries this year.

[Pat McAfee]

That's your guy.

[Tone Diggs]

And he didn't play in their old lines.

[Pat McAfee]

Very good.

[Tone Diggs]

So if Josh, as long as Josh Jacobs doesn't, you know, break his foot, break his leg or something like that. But yeah, that's why the Terry McLaurin thing, because they always talk about, hey, yeah, great group of young receivers. It's like, well, maybe, just maybe they need a good veteran in there to kind of coach these guys up and, and tell them what needs to happen to be a good receiver in this league.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I don't know. It might not matter with what's going on in Green Bay or Minnesota or Chicago. Have you heard? Yeah, Motor City, Dan Campbell's conversation with Brad. Not Brad Holmes, Smith, Brad Galley, local media in Detroit, listen to this. They Got two new coordinators. They got a lot of change. They got a lot of. Mcdc still exists.

[Darius Butler]

Is there a bit of an edge.

[Pat McAfee]

To you at all this year with so much written about the coordinators leaving an edge to you maybe to prove to everybody that you're still the head coach of this team, that you're still.

[AJ Hawk]

At the helm of this for five.

[Pat McAfee]

Years and that there shouldn't be be concerned? Well, I. I think, man, I'm. I'm. It. It's not hard for me to find things that. That can drive you. I mean, I. I feel like that's the world we're in. That's. That's how I was a player. That's how I am as a coach. Like, I'll. I'll pull anything negative because it motivates me. So I would be lying if I said no. That doesn't. You know, that doesn't get me going a little bit. You know, that's. That's the next challenge. So, yeah, I'm excited. Excited about it. Ben's great. Aaron's great. No doubt. But is there part of you that says, I've been here the whole time steering this ship as well? Well, I think the important thing is, and what I wanted to start this thing off with and us and the group of people we're with is, man, it takes a village. And if you want your team to play like a team, then we have to function like a team, as coaches, as gm, head coach, ownership, management. And I think that that's important. So what we do, we do as a team. And I've said this before, man, if. If I really did this right, I should be able to just leave. And these guys don't miss a beat. Incredible answer there by mcdc and the culture he is built or trying to build. We shall see how this year goes. Nobody really talking about the Detroit Lion. Shregs, what are your thoughts?

[Peter Schrager]

I think there are a lot of. Lot of interested parties on how those new coordinators do perform.

[Pat McAfee]

Perform.

[Peter Schrager]

And I think it really goes to John Morton, who's in. The guy who's been coaching the league for 30 years and was maybe a surprise pick to be the new offensive court. Of course he had history with Dan Campbell, but like, if you're telling me Ben Johnson is the greatest offensive genius of the last decade and they had all these things that have been coming out of this team with the Penne Sewell running in motion and Jameer Gibbs being used 100 different ways and JMO and. And what they got with Amman, Ross and Brian, you're taking him out of the equation and you're replacing him with a new coach. I think it's fair to question how that dynamic is going to go. And it's amazing because here's Jared Goff, who has been to a Super bowl, has been to an end to two NFC Championship games, had the number one seed last year, has the mega contract, is an All Pro bowl, the Pro Bowl, All Pro guy. And yet year 10 people are like, is Jared Goff good enough to do this without Ben Johnson? They all have massive chips on their shoulders. Shoulders. And I can't come here on August 14th or whatever day it is and.

[Pat McAfee]

Tell you 13th, it's author turn day. I can't.

[Peter Schrager]

Sorry, I can't come here, tell you with confidence that this offense isn't going to miss a beat. I just can't because I don't know what it is. And I think Ben Johnson is that good. So all the pressure does go back on to Jared Goff and Dan Campbell and let that motivate you guys. But gosh, Ben Johnson was a very big piece of this revitalization. We cannot just erase him from the history.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, so is Aaron Glenn. I mean, you start doing those conversations, you start thinking about how great these guys are. But this is what good teams have to deal with and you talk about great teams have to deal with. And if you talk about Sirianni's kind of respect level amongst his peers, he's lost his coordinators and had to do this Patriots. I don't know if it didn't really happen often to you guys coordinators.

[AJ Hawk]

It did early and then after. Then it kind of started to turn where everyone was like, bill's assistants suck.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[AJ Hawk]

And then.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right.

[AJ Hawk]

Mangini, McDaniels, Flores, Romeo, Cornell, Schwartz. Yeah, like there were a few.

[Pat McAfee]

And some people would credit frames even though, you know, he played there. He didn't really coach for.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he didn't really coach her. But yeah, he still will get like. Well, he learned a lot from Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they give that. That's his tree. Andy Reid, they got the same coordinators. Well, they got all hall of Famers, right?

[Peter Schrager]

Yeah, Tobes lost, lost Nagy for a couple years, came back, you know, Spags zero head coaching interviews all last off season. Despite having the best defense in the league when it mattered and wanting to maybe get a look to be a head coach, the NFL, the rest of the 31 other owners, they know better. They don't need to interview SAG they don't need to interview Spags.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Sir, you've already had opportunity. We don't need to do that again. You're right where you're. I got heated on this one. You love smacks, huh? So do we.

[Peter Schrager]

That's my guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy.

[Peter Schrager]

That's my guy. And the way that players respond to him is like no other. He is as great a leader of men in this league as there is and 31 other teams. Just think, nah, we're good.

[Pat McAfee]

We're gonna.

[Peter Schrager]

We're gonna not even interview the guy.

[Pat McAfee]

We're good.

[Peter Schrager]

We're fine. Whatever.

[Pat McAfee]

Andy Reid, hall of Famer, Tobe, hall of Famer, special teams, and then Spags, hall of Famer on defense as coordinators. And they're all back again. They got Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and. Seven o' clock tonight. Yeah, big deal. Taylor Swift's on new heights. Ranks. Yep. Set the alarm. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what you're doing, Trigs. What is that? You're doing great there. I don't know what that was, but you need to check your reactions before whatever they are.

[Darius Butler]

Your breaks at all time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Darius Butler]

144 million.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't think there's really a question.

[Peter Schrager]

All time, though, sports, because, like, didn't Trump do one with Joe Rogan? I feel like that's a pretty monster podcast.

[Pat McAfee]

And I mean, and maybe their entire average will jump enough for this for them to get an entire average boost. That's insane. Which they will.

[Tone Diggs]

Oh, yeah, definitely. They released the stats after this was announced. They. They picked up like a hundred some thousand or two hundred some thousand followers on Instagram.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that gigantic number everybody sees like, that the rock has like 150 million or something like that. And they're like, wow, that's what a lot of followers are. It's like 100,000, 200,000 new subs before something is even out is a gigantic movement that is a big needle move.

[Tone Diggs]

And then it was. Subscription to the podcast went up like 21,000% or something like that from where it was, like, four weeks ago.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So Rogan does so many people every show. I mean, it is grotesque what he does. There's also some others, I believe Call Her Daddy has massive numbers.

[Peter Schrager]

Have you gone on that yet?

[Pat McAfee]

On what?

[Peter Schrager]

Call Her Daddy?

[Pat McAfee]

No, I've not. She's a dog, though. She's very. She is. She's a beast, man.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Absolute beast. I got a lot of respect for anybody that is able to do that in this world. And I say this in a different way, but, yeah, that is gigantic. This is what you. This is what you've been waiting for. Yeah. I cannot wait. I hope she spills some business in there. She is a beast. Work ethic behind the scenes. I watched that documentary with my wife of her completely different view of Taylor Swift. And people hate her for whatever reason. You know, she's the biggest star on earth, so people are going to hate her. The more people that know you, the more people naturally that aren't going to like you. But what an absolute goat roaming around. And then Travis, obviously. What a superpowers coming together type thing. Remember, they weren't actually in love. This is fake.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

This was an industry plant.

[Tone Diggs]

We saw the breakup letter.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. Saw the whole thing. Now they're doing this. It's like, I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan, and I believe Travis on our show said he invited to the gate. I think, like, there is a part of our show that's part of their story. So I always was hoping that they were legit. And I think they're perfect for each other. Straight.

[Peter Schrager]

You know what's cool? No, it really showed me a lot about her. Obviously, you don't need my validation, but when she starts playing me neither at High End University and she's up there and starts performing for the Dan Orlovsky's and all the guys that are like, she don't.

[Pat McAfee]

This isn't. This is it.

[Peter Schrager]

She's not selling out.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, the Tokyo.

[Peter Schrager]

Tokyo Dome here. She's playing at some, you know, hockey.

[Pat McAfee]

Tonk in Nashville or a bunch of.

[Peter Schrager]

Tight ends talking about wheel routes. I'm like, all right, she's good by me.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that. Yeah, I think there was a little bit of booze maybe, too. There was a little bit of party. And then the band also like her walking around saying hello, telling them, hey, we're playing. Blah, blah, blah. It's like the amount of talent that is just on display in front of you is. Yeah, it's. That's a cool thing. That is a very cool relationship that's happening during our lifetime. People hate. Yeah, there's some people. And Taylor pokes fun at that, actually. Oh, I know a lot of sport. Male sports fans are really going to love seeing more of me, especially on this podcast.

[Darius Butler]

That was good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was good. Little self. Little thing there early. I like it. I like what they're doing. What is she going to say in there? TS12, I guess is new era. It's new album. Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Life of a songwriter.

[Pat McAfee]

Show girl. Show girl respect, please. Jeez Louise.

[Tone Diggs]

I mean, that's not disrespectful. I'm not a Die Hard Swifty. I like her music, but I'm not.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you open your phone though? Just in the last like two days.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, I saw it, but I'm not committing it to memory. Like, oh, this is her next album, you know. Yeah, I'm not doing that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Not a tortured poet. You got too much. You got too much already in here.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

I. I don't have any room.

[Tone Diggs]

I know. I'll make some more. I'll download the album. Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course.

[Tone Diggs]

I'm not committing the name of the album to memory right now. I'm sorry. Right now or probably when it comes out.

[Pat McAfee]

What about a 1212 on the 12th would.

[Tone Diggs]

That is cool. I like that gimmick.

[Pat McAfee]

How about a little Easter egg? The gimmick, the. The scavenger hunt type.

[Tone Diggs]

Very cool. She gets it.

[Pat McAfee]

Very committed to that too. Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Setting stuff up for that long time.

[Peter Schrager]

She's still the number one dog, though. Like, I felt like this summer there was a lot of Chapel Roan and.

[Pat McAfee]

There'S Peter Road is the next. You need to just. You need to just understand.

[Peter Schrager]

She have a chip on her shoulder.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Taylor. Good Lord. Yes, she has a chip on her shoulder always. She's one of them. The whole.

[AJ Hawk]

She is Everest.

[Pat McAfee]

She is. She is the mountain. Sure.

[Darius Butler]

I can't believe you just did.

[Pat McAfee]

How dare you doubt our queen. I almost want to end this conversation. We had one more question.

[AJ Hawk]

We like Chapel Road too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, we are big fans. My daughter. Yeah, my daughter.

[AJ Hawk]

We're talking about Taylor Swift, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's levels to this good, bro. I get it, okay? No, you don't.

[Peter Schrager]

I'm not questioning. I'm asking if right now are the kids in this moment, are they listening to Taylor or have they moved on? Because it's been a year since the last album and she's like, I'm gonna.

[Pat McAfee]

Go re re get my dude. All right.

[AJ Hawk]

They don't move.

[Pat McAfee]

We appreciate you shrigs. Are you talking about like 10 year olds? Maybe. Maybe their first album will be TS12. Guess what? They're in lifetime just like every other generation.

[AJ Hawk]

And what are they doing if Gen.

[Pat McAfee]

Alpha will be in?

[AJ Hawk]

TS12 is the first album they're living listening to. Guess what they're doing? They're not waiting for 13. No, they're going to 11.

[Pat McAfee]

All the record that she had already get broken Again because Gen Alpha's coming in and she owns going back to that love story. Yeah. You're feeling 22 all of a sudden, aren't you Shreks. This is outstanding. Seriously to watch you kind of of live through this with us, but you need to check yourself. We think tonight's numbers on new heights will be record breaking.

[AJ Hawk]

No doubt.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think it will be record break warranted though. I'm excited to hear what happens. I'm excited to hear how it goes. We will say this though, Shregs having you on our show is like our Taylor Swift, man. Yeah. Come on. Right Foxy. Amen. Well said.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean I would argue he is more the chapel Ron and like Michael Lombardi's are Taylor Swift. But I. I understand what you're saying.

[Pat McAfee]

That is a valuable but that's good. Hey, love it. But we're in the same. Yeah, that is the same. Think highly of both. Yes.

[Tone Diggs]

Good company superstars.

[Pat McAfee]

You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Emmy award winner, New Swifty. I guess this guy's not a swifty.

[Peter Schrager]

I'm a swifty.

[Pat McAfee]

He's not.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't know if he's winning any awards now that he claimed.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's a bad idea, brother August.

[Peter Schrager]

I love that stuff, man.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Peter Schrager]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. One of these today.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Hard laugh into the camera. Didn't know if it was a positive or a negative. He's not on the side of Les Taylor Swift at football.

[AJ Hawk]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Evan Fox]

I think he's on the the side. Like, he doesn't care, like Ty kind.

[Pat McAfee]

Of was saying, which was very valid, I will say for the sport of football, especially a flag football. We talk about this all the time. If flag football continues to grow in the girls and, you know, at younger age, it's like we got to hold a whole new sport coming. We got a whole new. Whole new world for the NFL. The NFL is always like, we need to expand football into Europe and then, you know, globally more. It's like, what about the other half of United States of America? We can get them playing football, and if they. If they're playing football, they're going to love the sport as much. It's like, that is a whole nother growth department for the NFL and for football as a whole. That I'm very pumped to see, especially as a girl dead. You know what I mean? Like, and my girl runs a lot. We're running a lot. Everybody's running a lot at that age. Is that kind of thing. Oh, yeah, she's moving a lot.

[Neil Shipley]

That's an active age.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Neil Shipley]

Turn your head and she's like, 150 yards.

[Pat McAfee]

It is awesome, though, because she's like, laughing while running and just like, enjoy. I'm like, yeah, let's continue to run. Let's not think running is punishment. Let's think running is fun. Yeah. Because your dad, you see views running as punishment on this. Exactly. Me too. It is very hard to get out there. There. They want to do it. So, yeah, we're happy running. We're happy running. Speaking of being happy, isn't it great whenever we get a chance to chit chat with somebody who's not only a local boy, but also great at what he does? Hell, yeah. A young stud that we learned about as being the low amateur at the 2024 Masters out of the Ohio State University, ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, Korn Ferry, tour golfer, ladies and gentlemen, Neil Ship. Please.

[I]

Hey, boys. Good to see you guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, it's great to see you. Look fantastic. Are you out there on the course right now? No, we're.

[Tone Diggs]

We're just sitting.

[I]

We're near the pool deck here at beautiful Hillcrest Country Club in Boise, Idaho.

[Pat McAfee]

Wow. I'll tell you what. Golf is a good thing to be good at. Yes, you know, because the view, Big head nod there. Speaking of being good at, I have an official announcement for you. And I don't think you know this, but you might have known that it was around the Corner. Each year, 20 players earn a PGA Tour card through their position on the end of season. Korn Ferry Tour points list. Throughout the season, the PGA Tour monitors players at the top of the list. And when they meet a certain threshold, they are declared hashtag Tour Bond, which means they've locked up their PGA Tour card for the following season. Neil Shipley. It is with our honor, and I kind of gave it away there. You have a brain, so you certainly understood what was going on and been following along. But we are so incredibly lucky to be a part of a moment that we hope changes the trajectory of your life, your family's life, and everything you got going on. Congratulations, brother. With two massive comeback wins this season, you're a top hundred player in the world now. You've officially locked up your PGA Tour card. You are hashtag poor Bond, sir. Congratulations. Hey, we're proud of you, buddy. This is a big deal. How? I assume this is something that was on your radar, and with this obviously becoming official, how do you feel? Congrats, man. We're proud of you.

[I]

Oh, I'm so pumped. I'm really excited to be on the PGA Tour next year and get back out there, and I feel like it's where I belong, and I'm really, really stoked for the opportunities that are to come here, and I really appreciate you guys being a cool part of this and surprising me here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Okay. So surprise you. That was the thing that we were kind of presented as a surprise, and we're like, if we were Neil and you guys. You read. They sent it. Sent me this as, like, the official proclamation, you know, like, hey, if you want to read, like, an official thing, here it is. And it's like each year, 20 players earn their PGA Tour card from the Korn Ferry Tours. Pointless. It's like, that's something you guys are monitoring all year, right? I assume that is something you're actively watching and everything as the season goes on.

[I]

Yeah, yeah. 100%. You know, it's. It's something that we're totally watching. You know, we have a point total in mind that we think we might get just based off previous years. So it's something I figured I was kind of past that threshold, but finally getting the official hashtag tourbound stamp is pretty sweet.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. We thought that was a nice added bonus. Thought of it about five minutes before we went live. So apologize on it not being perfectly across your face, but we did get the point across. Go ahead, A.J.

[Neil Shipley]

Yeah, Neil. Do you have any idea how many events you will play in next year in your first pga, your first season with your. Your official tour card? And who are you looking forward to possibly playing with that you may not have got paired with yet?

[I]

Oh, you know, I. I'll probably play somewhere in the range of 20, 25 events. That's a pretty typical season. So it's, it's a lot of time on the road, but it's, it's fun. We go to a lot of cool places on the PGA Tour and you know, I'd really like to. I haven't played with Scotty yet. I've gotten to interact with him a bunch, but I'd love to watch his game up close in person. He's just, he's an absolute animal.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. I would say from watching outside in DeChambeau says he has the greatest ball spin and yardage control that he's ever seen. And that is why he is different. That would be cool to do around. Hey, you're in the same tour as him. Hell yeah. Gotta beat him. You're the same tourism now, come on. We got like two minutes before a hard out. D Bud has a question for you, Neil. PGA Tour player Neil Shipley since Turner.

[Darius Butler]

Pro last year, what has been some things, I guess, that have surprised you and how much have you had to add to the team being. It's so much more is on your plate now?

[I]

Yeah, you know, it's. It's definitely surprised me how tough it is being on the road for this long. I mean, I'm doing, I think 24, 25 weeks this year and we're doing like four weeks in a row a lot of times. And, and I tell you when you get to week four, what you eat and how you treat your body really starts to add up. So I've been paying a lot more attention to that and taking a little bit more time to rest. And I think I'm 24. We're starting to get older, starting to feel it a little bit more every day, but trying to get ahead of the curve there and start treating our body like I'm an athlete.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you are, by the way, at the highest level now in your particular profession. I think 25. My metabolism started changing. I think like my body started 1:26 maybe I forget what it was. I used to be able to just do whatever. And then all of a sudden, it started showing up, and I'm like, yo, I'm an old man now. But you're not old. You're very young. Fresh into a PGA Tour career that we'll be speaking about for generations and generations. We're proud of you, bud. Congratulations.

[I]

Thanks, Pat. Appreciate you.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, Neil Shipley of the PGA Tour. Yeah, Neil. Huge. It is cool, man. I used to watch Big Break and great. They give out cue card. You know, you have to earn the cue card to get onto the tour. And there was a series of tough trials that you had to get through, whether it was breaking glass and tic tac toe.

[Tone Diggs]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, or having to chip it over a ring. You know, there's like. That was a great opportunity. I. I want you to big break. I once dreamt of being on that show someday and getting a cue card.

[AJ Hawk]

You got the undoubted.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I even bought the unduffable after watching a big Break. So, I mean, I. I was proud to be. We were very awesome. Honored to be a part of this awesome moment for Neil Shipley. But I assumed he had already know for sure. But we just stamped it officially. Yeah.

[Neil Shipley]

Made official.

[AJ Hawk]

He know when?

[Pat McAfee]

Today. He knew at some point, but today's the day. Neil, you did it. We knocked on the door like we're David Baker.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, Exactly.

[AJ Hawk]

Boom.

[Pat McAfee]

Via FaceTime While he's at a country club in Boise.

[Evan Fox]

Wow.

[AJ Hawk]

Chuck.

[Evan Fox]

That's Chuck's club.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Those golfer. Those golf lives are great. All right. That we'll see. So bad. Get a word out.

[Darius Butler]

Muted on the way.

[Pat McAfee]

And no idea if I wanted to transition to like, hey, we continue or continue to give Neil his credit. You know, it's just flowers. Yeah. It was an interesting moment there in my brain. Nonetheless, he had to have.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Neil Shipley]

He knows he has enough points to. To qualify. Right. So top 20 of the corn Ferry make it get their card.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But then there's like a certain threshold too. So I don't know if it's.

[AJ Hawk]

I would have Imagine if you school.

[Tone Diggs]

If you win twice on the Korn Ferry Tour, like that is putting you. You know, like there aren't a whole lot of guys I would assume that are winning two.

[Neil Shipley]

Is it just top 20 money list? Ty. Do you know like the top 20 money list of winners?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And then it said certain threshold. There's a lot of wording. Hold on.

[AJ Hawk]

So it's like live dechambo.

[Neil Shipley]

I mean, there's so many people that are trying to get that card. It's unbelievable to even hold a PGA Tour card.

[Pat McAfee]

Agreed. I think you get some good perks, too. You know, probably the PGA doesn't pay you, of course. Yeah, you got to go earn that. But I do think he gets some perks other places, you know, Shelp, ain't golf course anytime. What's the record here, huh?

[AJ Hawk]

Where's the teabo?

[Pat McAfee]

Where's teabo? What's the record? I need a cart and a caddy. I think that is part of it. I don't know if that. They should make that a rule. If that's not a rule, by the way, should be. Remember those NFL PA Cards the guys used to have? Oh, man. Yeah. What they get you? I think that got me in trouble, actually. I think when they went through my wallet as I was being, you know, sitting there in the middle of a parking lot about 4 or 5am in Indianapolis, and they saw that thing buried in there, I think that potentially. What do we have here? Like, you think you're special, huh?

[Evan Fox]

Is it like one of those Mustang cards we would walk around and sell to fundraise in high school, you go to subway, get 10% off?

[Pat McAfee]

No. Oh, those were awesome. Those were very cool. And we had a guy at West Virginia, Adam, my. Oh, I apologize for forgetting your name. Brother name was Adam. He was like, entrepreneur at college. Always hustling. Always hustling.

[Evan Fox]

Y' all had one.

[Pat McAfee]

He had these wristbands that he was selling that were like those discount coupon books. Yeah. So you get a wristband. You buy this wristband, and obviously you get a deal at, like, get ice cream for this amount of price. You get this at this certain thing at this club, you get this amount of this amount, dollar amount for beer. At this restaurant, you get chicken tenders for free with this order. And he was like. He sold these wristbands. Genius idea. I mean, it was absolutely genius. I Wonder if the PGA has a wristband.

[Evan Fox]

Is that what the NFL PA cards like?

[Pat McAfee]

No. The NFL tell me.

[Neil Shipley]

You got to wear this wristband. Wristband 247 that this guy sells you. Like, who's doing that?

[AJ Hawk]

To be clear, you're going to a restaurant.

[Pat McAfee]

I would like to let everybody know. I did get $40,000 out in loans in college at a 28% interest rate.

[Neil Shipley]

Pretty solid rate.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so I did do that. I did have access to funds when I was in college.

[Tone Diggs]

You need the wristband.

[Pat McAfee]

I did not. I did not wear wristband full time, but I Did respect the out of wristband. You know, like if he was having an event and we were all going to her a party, I would certainly get wristband support through the entire thing. But yes, people were wearing it all day. It was. It was back in wristband time, though. Live strong. Live strong. People were doing it.

[Darius Butler]

Balance band.

[Pat McAfee]

It was a good idea. But the NFL card was like a student card that you would have at like unit University. You could.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, you could go. You get into a lot of places. Like a lot of guys are using me. Like getting the club skip lines. I was always the guy. I never wanted to show something to somebody and then get embarrassed like, oh yeah. So I would never do it.

[Pat McAfee]

But people certainly wanted.

[Darius Butler]

Tell them who you are. So, you know, whatever it is.

[Pat McAfee]

Like certainly wanted to be with a group that had one person in it that did though. So. Oh yeah, there was. There was a couple moments getting into clubs or various establishments where boy, this looks like a long time getting here. We are not known enough to stand here and get the attention to get in here. But boy, if somebody in here would go up there and do the thing, that would be great. And I would always try to mingle away from where this was happening. And then I'm trying to sneak in last second.

[Tone Diggs]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Always gonna have to be a yes, he's with us with the. Because I have been cut off that. Yes, he's with us because that's how far away I wanted to remain from the usage of the card.

[Tone Diggs]

I had one of these before.

[Pat McAfee]

That was. Yeah, it was the. Optically, it was the worst thing of all time. And it looked bad. I mean I was. But when it worked.

[Neil Shipley]

You need that guy, though. You do need everyone. Every group needs that guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you gotta take his wife. And we are going to spend a lot of money in here. You can. Yes, I can tell you personally what I can promise. What you can promise. I will be buying a lot of things for a lot of people. If we were to get in there, we will too. Right? Yeah. And I think that was always the message. Got a couple thousand bucks. Oh, man, what a time. So he's got one of those now. Yeah, I've heard that about the tour card. Like growing up. That was always what people said, but I never knew if it was true or not.

[Darius Butler]

They don't pay for golf anymore.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I assume they.

[Evan Fox]

Scotty said he hasn't paid. He was just asked that he hasn't.

[Neil Shipley]

Paid for around they should because someone's calling someone even if they don't Even if you're not a really well known PGA tour guide, imagine your caddy or manager is going to call the course you want to go play.

[Pat McAfee]

Somebody's taking a coming. Somebody's taking. Imagine like.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Neil Shipley]

Can you imagine showing up if you are PGA Tour golfer. A lot of people don't know by looking at them and you just, you think the guy's like, all right, $625 for your green speed.

[Pat McAfee]

Like, oh, not.

[Tone Diggs]

I was told not even that they send you out with a play with a guy who's like a 30 handicap.

[Pat McAfee]

You gotta be with a member. Yeah. Out there with a member. Yeah. Need you out there with a member. Golf. Golf is a good thing to be good at.

[Tone Diggs]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Great.

[Darius Butler]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

And as I grow older, that's. It's becoming more and more evident. I like that Neil's from a cold weather state. I can't stress how difficult that is. Yeah. Always Texas, Florida or California.

[Darius Butler]

He didn't move back as a high school.

[Pat McAfee]

He might have, but I would assume he had to.

[Evan Fox]

No, he went to Central, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. He was Central Catholic High school. Yeah. Oakmont was his place.

[Evan Fox]

He's there now.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Like, that's really impressive.

[AJ Hawk]

Those guys stick together too. That's what Keegan Bradley said. He's like, I, I'm just, I'm a north, you know, northeast golfer. Like, I take a lot of pride in that just because I'm not from a Florida.

[Pat McAfee]

And that was before Sim. Now Neil Shipley might have been in Sim era.

[Tone Diggs]

Definitely.

[Pat McAfee]

And he's traveling to all those junior two. But he also went to year round. Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Ohio State. Yeah.

[Evan Fox]

He could have went to a warm weather college and chose not to.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, could be. Could have chose a little bit easier route. Now spring is, you know, not born.

[AJ Hawk]

A lot and he's an Ohio boy, so he grew up with a Buckeye in his hand.

[Pat McAfee]

Pittsburgh boy.

[Darius Butler]

Speaking about Ohio.

[Pat McAfee]

Give him to Ohio.

[Darius Butler]

Have you been following LeBron's golf journey?

[AJ Hawk]

Hand up.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that he's golfing.

[AJ Hawk]

Hand up.

[Pat McAfee]

Love it. I love that he's golfing his swing. The first time he stepped out there. I love that he went for it. Yeah, yeah. You know, LeBron has watched others golf that he is viewed as less athletic than him. And I'm not saying he's saying that outwardly, but in his brain he is watching people do this. I just need to do what they do. Probably watched a lot of film and he committed. I appreciated how he committed to swinging really, really hard that first couple times. But him Getting the bug, him loving wine. It's like you can see the hurt. Perfect. You know, you can always see it all coming together.

[AJ Hawk]

Jordan Arc.

[Darius Butler]

It's been playing at night, planning the rain, all the.

[Pat McAfee]

That.

[Darius Butler]

You know, everybody when they catch that bug. And when he was actually here after the LeBron versation, I asked him and Steve, like, hey, you guys play golf? Neither one of them had played golf until that point. So I'm gonna tell my grandkids I got LeBron in the golf.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Evan Fox]

Hey, you should.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell, yeah, diva. Do it up. Hell, yeah, Bryce, you walk. That's a needle.

[Darius Butler]

It's a needle mover.

[Pat McAfee]

Bryson D. Shambo. All he's trying to do is spread the game. All he hopes is one kid picks up a golf club because of what he's doing.

[Darius Butler]

Keep working, Bryce.

[Pat McAfee]

Keep working.

[Darius Butler]

One day at a time.

[AJ Hawk]

Dreams come true.

[Pat McAfee]

It's unbelievable. LeBron. Golfing's good for golf. Yes. Yeah. Golf is good for golf. At this point, it feels like just people doing it. You got to commit a lot to play golf. Got to commit a lot time.

[Neil Shipley]

LeBron. He should cruise around the Rider cup like Jordan.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Neil Shipley]

Always does. But this year, he should go.

[Pat McAfee]

That'd be interesting. But they have two cards, or they share a card.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, they're not.

[Tone Diggs]

He's still playing.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe golf is.

[AJ Hawk]

What, together? LeBron. We saw him. Okay. If they have a golf cart that's custom, maybe he's sitting next to someone.

[Pat McAfee]

And Jordan also. Six.

[AJ Hawk]

Six, exactly. They're so huge that you can't sit. Like, I'm looking at your golf cart. He could probably fit in something. Like, they could fit in something in the back seat. Yeah, Together. Like that.

[Pat McAfee]

But that's like whenever Shaq was doing a Buick commercial.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Evan Fox]

Come on.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on. I hit my knees off the steering wheel. You're literally a foot and a half tall.

[AJ Hawk]

And don't lie.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, they took out the back seat, obviously. Oh, okay. He's. So they're coming. Espn, right? Yeah. Yeah. License through espn.

[Darius Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Like that. How do we think that's gonna go? Great. I think so, too.

[Darius Butler]

Still all the same people running the show, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I think there's enough respect from the execs at ESPN not to meddle.

[Neil Shipley]

They get their same amount of airtime.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know. I have no idea. I was. There's, like, memes. I've seen, like, memes and stuff and, like, different tweets. I don't know what's real and what's.

[Tone Diggs]

That was what I read in an Article. It was like, is ESPN going to be okay with doing, like, floating brakes for that? Because sometimes they'll talk for 35 minutes and not go to a commercial.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, I don't want to insert us into their conversation, but see shows completely licensed by ESPN created, fully controlled by outside entity, and also with no commercial breaks and the ability to float commercial breaks being brought to the network and executed and profitable and seemingly technically easy to accomplish. Feels like their entire should just be.

[Tone Diggs]

Same as is should be.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why, like, the panic. I appreciated the panic. And we had a bunch, too. I mean, we were attacked. I was attacked heavily when I was like, hey, shows getting licensed through espn. This is great news. Never forget, we're about to showcase that you can do a different style of sports. You know, about celebrate. Our people were like, you piece of everything you stood for.

[Evan Fox]

It was worse than that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. There's a lot of mean things. There's a lot of mean things being said. Now, granted, has our show changed? Maybe. Would our show have changed anyways? Yes. We're growing. I got a baby girl now. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

AJ's got terrible hair.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa.

[Darius Butler]

I like AJ's hair.

[Evan Fox]

I like his hair, too.

[AJ Hawk]

I like where it's going.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that it looks like his. His head's getting a little bit of a hug, you know, has a little bit of fur. Yeah, Yeah. I like that that's happening. There's going to be a lot of these stages as he gets to where we want him to go, which is the very. Yeah, very long. Put a hat on. Why does everybody always just say ESPN is going to ruin shows that are created? And I guess because they did. They did.

[AJ Hawk]

Because they did for a long time.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And there was a lot of, like, for us, it was like a lot of leaks and stuff. Like, a lot of this guy should get canceled. So they say the F word. Remember that?

[Tone Diggs]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Early.

[Tone Diggs]

Early on. That was the awful. Announcing every. Every day after the show.

[Pat McAfee]

We're disgusting. We're like, everything about us is the worst of all time. ESPN that's been there for 23 years is on anonymously said. Anonymously said. Obviously, keep the safety of the person that this is disgusting. Despicable for ESPN to have this show on. Blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. It's like, if you consider that trying to ruin a show which you could, you know, turn off future fans, advertisers, you can publicly kind of try to get in the way of something, having success. And we certainly experienced that, I would say, at a very high volume I would think with the entirety of it all that settled in a little bit, I think. Oh yeah. I mean, a few weeks ago, I guess there was another one. Great, thanks. Really cool to do. But I think they have enough respect for inside the NBA that it will be like we're lucky to have them almost. You know what I mean? As opposed to we hate all the people that don't matter. I mean, I've said this a lot, but you get it. All these people that don't really matter, but they have a little bit of power in Bristol. Like they don't like, you know, potential change. But maybe we're at a point where they understand that like bringing in inside the NBA is actually a good thing for the future of, you know, the network. Bringing in maybe like a podcast type show to the network is maybe a good idea.

[AJ Hawk]

They had to maybe so they could.

[Pat McAfee]

They could be on the, in the podcast world.

[AJ Hawk]

Catch up, man.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, in the whole entire thing, you know, billions, dollar, billion dollars.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So whenever you out the dough out the.

[AJ Hawk]

Sorry, bro.

[Pat McAfee]

What came in though, you know, well, in their eyes, a lot of terrible things. So that is what you think is not going to happen with. I think will not happen with Inside the NBA. So I think it's going to be great. I think show's going to thrive. I think it's going to be fantastic. Oh yeah. And a lot of people talk about the Stephen A. Thing getting inserted in there. Like, you don't think Stephen A going in there and battling with Shaq and Chuck every once in a while. And I'm not saying this is going to happen. I. I don't know any information. You don't think Chuck and Shaq and Kenny and Stephen A. Going at it throughout the NBA season is a good. Like, I think that's good. I don't, I don't think that's a bad thing. People are like, I don't want to see more Stephen A. It's like, I wouldn't mind seeing Chuck, Charles Barkley and Stephen A. Yeah, I wouldn't mind.

[AJ Hawk]

Also wouldn't mind like seeing perk in them go at it. Like they've gone at it publicly. Yeah. So it's like, hey, now you can have it on the same set. Like that is a good. Will be good tv.

[Pat McAfee]

And also, I guess alongside Game Day, I think kind of viewed as like greatest sports shows that have really ever happened.

[AJ Hawk]

Definitely.

[Pat McAfee]

I think, you know, I don't know how many of those there are, but you get that is the conversation they're talking about. So I'm excited for that. That's a long way away.

[AJ Hawk]

Long, long way. It's funny you should say that because I was kind of looking at the NBA because when we were done with the show yesterday, they were just talking about all the, the games that are, you know, the opening night game, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. The next, the first week of the NBA, their off season two is. I mean, they're October. The, the third week of October.

[Tone Diggs]

I was going to say, once you, once football season starts, you're really like a month out from the NBA starting.

[Evan Fox]

Well, you're not really. Because it doesn't start well.

[Tone Diggs]

True.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about sports, though, that are currently happening that we care about now. And we got to remember that baseball, you were out on the Yankees, what, three days ago? We're back.

[Tone Diggs]

Oh, yeah. Before the twin series. And they've won two in a row, so. Yeah, you know, Right. Right when I'm out, they pull me back in.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, they do. So, you know, Yankees are sucking you in, aren't they? They are.

[Tone Diggs]

But yeah, we got, we got some pretty close races in a couple of the divisions here. So I mean, again, there's, there's still about a month of baseball left, so there's still quite a bit left, but now it's kind of things come into focus and you realize like, okay, these are the teams that are really going to make a run. A lot of these teams are out. The brewers are the best team in baseball by kind of a wide margin right now. They've won 11 in a row currently. They just continue to win. I think they're the first team since like the 1935 Cubs. They've had three, I think three separate ten plus game winning streaks this year. So. Yeah, I mean, same deal. You know, we, we've talked about how with football right now, like, it's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Buckos.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, they stink.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Tone Diggs]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Bottom center of the graph.

[AJ Hawk]

It's okay.

[Tone Diggs]

But if you don't want to just watch preseason football or you want to watch, you know, the first or second series, there's still a lot of good baseball games.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, wait, how's Shahe doing?

[Tone Diggs]

Pretty good. He actually hit into a triple play last night, which is very rare. Doesn't happen a whole lot.

[Pat McAfee]

This guy's even deep.

[Tone Diggs]

But then he came back and hit a, a game tying home run in the ninth inning. The Dodgers went on to lose, but, you know, and he's also, you know, kind of wrapped up in some, some legal issues right now. But Tony Looked into those yesterday post show and it sounds like those are largely bullshit mumbo jumbo. Doesn't feel like it.

[Evan Fox]

Doesn't feel like it's his fault.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Love to hear that. Shohei. We need to start protecting Shohei legit. Okay. He's got special talent.

[AJ Hawk]

So we can leave that to Japan maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so what? I'm looking at a score of my brewers and parts. Is this real?

[Tone Diggs]

Yes, that was yesterday. Ski started too.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Tone Diggs]

He only gave up like four earned runs and they could kind of see.

[Pat McAfee]

How they gave up 10 runs.

[Tone Diggs]

Oh yeah. After SK came out, bullpen came in and just team in baseball by a wide margin, they.

[AJ Hawk]

Wait, didn't they win 11 straight games and they almost had to give hamburgers or cheeseburgers.

[Pat McAfee]

Correct.

[Tone Diggs]

That was earlier this year.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, but now they're on another 11 game win streak.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, tonight they're going for 12.

[AJ Hawk]

So if they get 12 tonight, it's the burgers.

[Pat McAfee]

The burger story.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, the burger.

[Pat McAfee]

The 70,000 burgers. What was the number? It was someone. I think.

[AJ Hawk]

I think it was like 150,000 or.

[Pat McAfee]

170 or 1970 or something like that. What was the family's name? So if they win tonight, we're back on burger watch.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah, if they win Tonight, that'll be 12 straight they're playing right now.

[Pat McAfee]

What's the score? 0.

[AJ Hawk]

0. Who's pitching?

[Tone Diggs]

Is the Miz on the bump.

[AJ Hawk]

Let me see. Mike.

[Darius Butler]

Players.

[AJ Hawk]

The Miz plays for the broken.

[Pat McAfee]

Same level of aura, different profession. Oh, this is young Buck. I've been following into the all Star game and everybody was pissed off.

[Evan Fox]

Mitch Keller versus Brandon Woodruff.

[Tone Diggs]

Okay, so no, it's not the Miz.

[Pat McAfee]

And I don't know which team either of those guys are on, but we.

[Tone Diggs]

Mitch Keller's on the Buckos.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, he's. He's the old dog.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, they're playing the Pirates for the burger.

[Tone Diggs]

Yes, they are.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh no. This goes down in history.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

If they win. Yeah, it will remembered forever against the Pittsburgh Pirates.

[Evan Fox]

No one outside of Milwaukee will remember it.

[AJ Hawk]

But if the Pirates.

[Pat McAfee]

No, whatever. It will be talked about.

[Darius Butler]

We talked about this team and ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Happened in 1960 something brother.

[Evan Fox]

No one outside of Milwaukee cares about the burgers.

[Pat McAfee]

We talked. What I'm saying, I'm not going to free burger. Are you? No, but I'm saying in 30 years from now when this happens again, they're like this happened was against guess who. The Pittsburgh Pirates. That's what's going to happen.

[Tone Diggs]

And I wouldn't say that Tony, because If the brewers win today, I'm going to go to a restaurant up near my house and demand a free burger. I don't know which one's going to be. I'm going to do it.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Also, to the point of. This will be history for the Brewers. I mean, the Pirates win this game, they could damn near hang a. Hang a banner. They could call this. Well, like, a pennant, maybe not a World Series. Yeah. The no Berg pennant.

[Pat McAfee]

They live in this. We're the only bird. Yeah. The only bird. Yeah. They're actually going to call it I heard the pitch. Burger Giveaway.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, no, they won't.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I heard.

[AJ Hawk]

That's a great name for it.

[Darius Butler]

Great name.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like that. I just. I'm just telling you what I'm hearing. I'm talking to people in my wall.

[Evan Fox]

Mitch will shut them down.

[Tone Diggs]

Don't worry about it.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on, Mitch. Throw the stinky cheese.

[AJ Hawk]

Throw that.

[Darius Butler]

Who else should we know in the Brewers?

[Pat McAfee]

How they so good? The other pitcher that we like.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah. McGill, he's dog.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Trevor McGill throws gas, but they're really just kind of like you. I mean, Christian Yellich is probably. Yeah, he. But. But there are a lot of young guys who just. They just manufacture runs. They have very good pitching, and their bullpen's very good. So it's kind of like. I mean, they just. They just win, baby.

[Darius Butler]

Team ball.

[AJ Hawk]

That's brewers baseball.

[Pat McAfee]

I love baseball. Good sport. They were good to us. The MLB was very good to us. I. I'm very thankful for them. Let's make sure we continue to remain updated on baseball.

[AJ Hawk]

I'll keep watching.

[Pat McAfee]

Tell.

[Tone Diggs]

Tell the Yankees or eliminated.

[AJ Hawk]

Tell the Red Sox series.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but you told me. You told me that you were out on the Yankees.

[Tone Diggs]

Yes, I did.

[Pat McAfee]

He said to me, AJ Worst collapse I've ever seen. I'm not watching every damn game of the Yankees anymore. That's what he told me. Right?

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah. I said that on Monday.

[Pat McAfee]

Now what are we doing?

[Tone Diggs]

Twinkies came to town, baby. And Yankees on the Twins, two in a row. Judgy hit a homer last night. John Carlos Stanton was 4 for 5.

[Pat McAfee]

He's running the bases.

[Tone Diggs]

He's got an elbow playing outfield, too. He is hard in a pistol right now, so.

[AJ Hawk]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah. He hit. He hits it 150 miles an hour every single time he's up. Even if he is. Gets even, gets out. He hits it so hard, the glove's gonna feel it.

[Pat McAfee]

If he's out.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes.

[Tone Diggs]

Yes. Or he's Gonna strike out. And if he let go of his bat, it would fly out of Yankee St. He swings so hard every single. It's awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's why we love him.

[Tone Diggs]

And that's why I love him. Exactly. And because he is so slow. So slow.

[Pat McAfee]

Anything else? And once again, that's why we love him. Jon Gruden about to get a lot of money from the NFL is kind of how it sounds. I guess. This will be held in. In front of a judge in a courtroom.

[AJ Hawk]

Supreme Court.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, no, it's going to get moved to the Supreme Court. I guess it's going to get appealed up there. But I guess the first ruling is one that is very much favorable for Jon Grudner. Discovery will happen. Public information will take place. So they were trying to get this behind closed doors. I do believe if you were to break this down. But instead a judge is deemed. Now this is to go through public. And it is interesting to think about how this all plays out. Okay. Very, very interesting. John Gruden Jordan, I think obviously got fired, kicked out, banned from the NFL in life for using homophobic slurs in emails in 2014. I forget what. We don't know the exact year he gets kicked out of the league whenever this whole thing happened. Fired, I believe with cause. So his contract, which was over 100 million, I mean, there's. It all ended for him. He was the. The only person out of these hundreds of thousands, 600,000 plus documents. His emails were the only ones that were made public. And then obviously he's fired and his life goes the way it goes. It's crazy. Yeah, it is a wild scene. It is certainly a wild situation. As it was happening, it was wild. Now looking back on it, it's crazy to think about. And now with this ruling, it's like, I think the NFL is very much like, wait a minute. A guy who has committed his entire life to. To football and to the NFL is now at a point where he can potentially tell them, okay, if you guys are just comfortable with all these things that are in these. Because there could be business stuff in there. I mean, there could be 600,000. Discovery is a wild thing. You know, just as somebody that has been sued before by Brett Favre, this is the whole conversation was basically like holding over. Like, are you.

[Tone Diggs]

What else you got?

[Pat McAfee]

You want discovery? You want discovery to happen? And I was like, yeah, whatever. What do we. What does this mean? And they're like, they have the right now to look through what evidence would be. And evidence is anything they deem possible. So any of your text messages, any of your emails, it doesn't just have to be text messages that are directly pertinent to the situation because you might have had conversations with other people about that as well. So it's like the amount of things that discovery can get into. Everybody's going to learn about you basically is what is the scary thing for people that are potentially going in it now. Jon Gruden's going to have the same exact situation. They're going to be operating Discovery against him as well. Which is, I assume what the NFL is saying in this entire thing. But how many things are saved from 2014 on Jon Gruden's side? This is, I assume, something that'll get. Yeah, I think. And I. I honestly don't know what that number would be. Yeah, I have no idea how that goes.

[Darius Butler]

I'll probably never know if I assume.

[Pat McAfee]

Winkle bosses, especially with Goodell understanding that Gruden is Football clubs, the NFL can't.

[Evan Fox]

Afford to have anything get out.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, I agree.

[Darius Butler]

It's a big one. Big, big, big.

[Neil Shipley]

Knows that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. On the flip side, with all the owners and like they're. They're doing a lot of selling to Gruden. Like we built this leak, remember? Yeah, we love this leak. Gruden's like, I did, man. Yeah.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah. If you ruined my life.

[Pat McAfee]

I learned a lot about it. I learned a lot about this league, man. You know, and it's the entire thing. It's like we to him.

[AJ Hawk]

He says for a percentage of the Raiders.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I mean. And remember Davis was not happy about this. Yeah, yeah. He has a whole, whole nother side of it. There's a whole nother angle to it. Why don't you ask them? Yeah, I don't want it. Yeah, I do want everything out, actually. Ask them. And he was on. This is a wild situation, though. This is a big deal for the NFL.

[Darius Butler]

I think he definitely coaches again. Do we think he coaches the NFL again?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you think he does. Belichick goes to college.

[Darius Butler]

I think. I think college. College, yeah. Sec.

[Pat McAfee]

Because he could run the entire.

[AJ Hawk]

Just like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And we heard whenever he coach general manager anyways.

[AJ Hawk]

I mean, what would be really cool is full arc to this thing. They signed Pete Carol to a three year deal just to establish the culture and then bring in a younger guy. And John Gruden's that younger guy they were planning on.

[Pat McAfee]

On three Sports Reported, which by the way, respect their work. Oh, yeah. I've been keeping up with them. They've been helping me out a lot as I prepare going into the season. And they're great. Follow believe rivals in them are partnered. John Gruden expresses desire to coach again while talking to Georgia Bulldogs. This is via Barstool Gruden, which is an incredible social media account. I'm being honest with you. I do not either. I won't coach again. Man. I die coaching the sec. I would love it. I would love it.

[Evan Fox]

There's a couple schools it might need.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[Darius Butler]

He's an SEC football coach.

[Neil Shipley]

Someone's gonna snatch him up. Someone has to.

[Pat McAfee]

He loves ball. Loves.

[Neil Shipley]

Imagine him as a recruiter. Imagine him recruiting.

[Evan Fox]

Loves coaching.

[Pat McAfee]

Just loves all of it. All of it. Yeah. And even when he was. Is casted off from the world still every morning. We're watching tape, man. Yeah, we're watching tape, man. He. I assume there is jaded feelings from Guden and also there's a lot of people that say, hey, he did something that's, you know, worthy of a huge punishment. I get that. But him and the NFL are going.

[AJ Hawk]

To need to come to the table.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Put our source down.

[Pat McAfee]

And I think John Gruden's. He's acting. Acted as his general manager before. I think. I think he understands a little leverage.

[Tone Diggs]

I think he does too. I don't know if John. John Gruden's going to be putting his sword down. I think the NFL might need to put their sword down on the table.

[AJ Hawk]

Jon Gruden might be handing his sword to Jay. Hey, go stab Goodell in the face.

[Pat McAfee]

Right now for me. I will say he also has a fantastic social media. He does, huh?

[Tone Diggs]

He doesn't mind stirring the pot.

[AJ Hawk]

He brings it.

[Pat McAfee]

He does bring it. We do appreciate. You know what?

[AJ Hawk]

Actually, NFL, why don't you just release J. Gruden's emails? That'd be cool. Why don't we just do the Gruden family.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a wild thing. The discovery thing is the move. That is the. That is always the.

[Darius Butler]

Nobody wants.

[Pat McAfee]

Going through the entire Brett thing. It was like. Huh.

[AJ Hawk]

Really shows you who the bad people are.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I'm cool with it. Why don't we exactly let them know? Sweet. I feel like my Life is monitored 24. 7. Ima. Okay. Yeah. But what about conversations you had? I feel like my life is monitored. Yeah, but what about your text messages? I feel like my Life is monitored 24 7. So they can discover whatever the fuck they want to discover. Are you sure? Yes, 100%. All right. We've never had anybody this confident. We let them know. So I go ahead, do it. I've lived legitimately and I think Nick will tell you this since I don't know, maybe my rookie. I don't know, just. I feel like people are just watching everything you do and it's like I honestly believe you should operate in that fashion. Like, hey, you are getting watched and followed. The thought that his emails were the only ones that were released, but also how loose people were in emails. It's like that is.

[Darius Butler]

That was like old people.

[Pat McAfee]

Old people. Text messages. Yeah. That was like the evolution. I. I guess.

[Darius Butler]

I mean it started with letter. We saw Lamar Hunt's letter.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my God.

[Darius Butler]

Second bullet point.

[Pat McAfee]

Like let me get rid of this guy. Yeah, please.

[Evan Fox]

You think Jerry Jones likes John Green?

[Tone Diggs]

Not right now.

[Pat McAfee]

I'd say he is probably one of the ones telling Goodell we don't give him a dog.

[Evan Fox]

I'm just trying to connect dots cuz you know, we, we love Sam Pitman. We love drinking cold beer. But there's a rumor that you know, could be the last year at Arkansas. So if Jerry's got any respect for John.

[Pat McAfee]

John Groot in Arkansas. Woo. Pig sui. Holy. With that fan base, that'd be perfect. And I, I assume. Yeah. Do they have money?

[Tone Diggs]

I don't know what he's saying.

[Pat McAfee]

If Cal per.

[AJ Hawk]

That's the problem. They might have g gave all the money. They might have picked who else they.

[Pat McAfee]

Got John Daly and Cal.

[Darius Butler]

You can't pick basketball over football at Arkansas, dude.

[AJ Hawk]

The sec. Florida. SEC runs college basketball too. Florida just won it. Some of these teams, they, they.

[Pat McAfee]

Football.

[AJ Hawk]

Isn't Arkansas good at baseball? They're good at everything though. But football, I thought when it comes to those sports, didn't they have promise.

[Pat McAfee]

Air football there for a little bit?

[Evan Fox]

They did for sure. I mean especially when. Who were the two running backs?

[Tone Diggs]

Darren McFadden.

[Evan Fox]

McFadden and Felix Jones.

[Pat McAfee]

Who was the recent quarterback? Yeah.

[Neil Shipley]

Matt Jones at quarterback.

[Darius Butler]

Ryan.

[Pat McAfee]

No. Rest in peace Ryan Mallet. The Arkansas had a chance to have a good time with Ryan Mallet in Arkansas. Which on daily feels like that's a night that we should always look back on with High High. Love Ryan remembrance. He was so cool to me. Yeah. Everybody. I think super cool.

[Darius Butler]

Great vibes.

[Pat McAfee]

Great vibes all the time. Arkansas though, that is a fan base I think that is very much committed to K.J. jefferson.

[Darius Butler]

Hunger.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is.

[AJ Hawk]

That's his name.

[Pat McAfee]

K.J. jefferson.

[AJ Hawk]

UCF.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he leave. Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Boom.

[AJ Hawk]

It is John Gruden.

[Pat McAfee]

Arkansas. That would be crazy.

[Tone Diggs]

Auburn too. They don't have a good year.

[AJ Hawk]

Get Hue out and you know, you.

[Pat McAfee]

Watch the SEC doctor.

[AJ Hawk]

Exactly. I think Gruden would do well in Auburn.

[Pat McAfee]

Would you want them to do another SEC documentary?

[AJ Hawk]

I absolutely would. I am realizing that I pounded the drum very hard for the show and I stand by that. But while talking about it, there are some parts of the show that suck that I might have been on my phone for.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, this is background we're watching.

[AJ Hawk]

No, no. There are very specific parts. When it's not the football and it is the interviews of the college football historians, if you will. One guy gets. That's a lot of play. A lot of play. And he knows who he is and he knows that. Probably after he said to himself, I hope they don't use too much of me because I don't know if everyone's gonna love me on the show.

[Evan Fox]

Does he feel like a self aware guy?

[AJ Hawk]

He is the worst.

[Pat McAfee]

You need a good feeling.

[AJ Hawk]

He's the only one in every episode. He's the only one in every episode. But the football stuff, the. The players, the coaches, that stuff is second to none.

[Pat McAfee]

I love. I got a long flight coming up. I plan on watching that. Longest flight available.

[AJ Hawk]

You'll know when, when you see him.

[Pat McAfee]

Actually. That's what it is.

[Darius Butler]

It's crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

It is crazy.

[Darius Butler]

Some moments in games they could have talked about too.

[Tone Diggs]

I agree.

[AJ Hawk]

So moment. That's right. That's the other thing we talked about. How they might have avoided big calls that were either missed or not talked about. And then when you look back and you know the sec, the biggest moments you think of are typically with Georgia and Bama and Ole Miss. And those three teams weren't featured on the show. Like they had the Bama, Vanderbilt, which was sick because it was all the Vanderbilt celebration side of it. Yeah. Like them leading into the game, them losing to Missouri. I forgot about that one. Missouri was seventh in the country and Vanderbilt goes in and loses in overtime on a missed kick. Like they probably should have beat Missouri too. There are many things throughout the thing. Like one of the things we talked about with the LSU team is we wonder if they did more stuff with Kyron Lacy. But Kyron Lacy passed away before the draft this year. So, like, did they just cut that entire section out? Because the times of episodes is interesting. Some of them were an hour, some of them were 50, kind of similar. But then there was two 35s, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Interesting.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. Which never happened.

[Pat McAfee]

I like, though not I like Keeping it a guessing game. Yeah, I like. Hey, this is what it's going to be. I haven't had a chance to watch it. I like it. I like all the documentary sports stuff we have. Obviously Hard Knocks is happening right in front of our eyes here. Quarterback, obviously, new season of that SEC out there. The basketball stuff that we just kind of skipped by. A lot of good clips are coming out of that.

[Tone Diggs]

That's got to be coming out sometime soon, right? The one they did this past year with Tyrese.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's gonna be very.

[AJ Hawk]

Starting early October, I think was. It's right before the season starts. And then the, the. Did you say the Jerry Jones Cowboys 1? Oh, yeah, that's coming out August next 19th.

[Evan Fox]

Next week things get quiet. I just like to stir it up.

[Pat McAfee]

The Cowboys are always going to be a part of your life. You think this. Not getting into it. Let's get out of here. It was a good day.

[Darius Butler]

What's the hell?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, like I, I have throughout my life, life, I've had respect for certain business people. Okay, Steve Jobs, top of the list up here. Okay. Bad Dad. I get it. Everything else, you're welcome. Basically, in the way he. Well, he didn't build it himself. Okay, all right, let's all relax with that. Jerry Jones was one of the guys that I viewed as a business person, like Vince McMahon. Obviously everything that's come out, that's the personal side. But business wise, what he did and how he did it and what he created, it's like this dude is a fucking now once again, just like with. Sometimes these very high level people are gonna have other traits that aren't necessarily the greatest in everybody's eyes or whatever. But it's like Jerry Jones was a trailblazer, like when it came to football ownership and ownership of sports teams and everything like that. So I got massive respect for his story and how he goes about doing his business and what he made the Cowboys into. And obviously they were the first ever sports franchise to be valued at over $10 billion. Now I believe there is a few others that have been valued up over 10 billion. The Rams in LA, the Giants obviously in New York, New Jersey, and the Dallas Cowboys top the Sportico list. Now, Sportico I got a lot of respect for. I appreciate Sportico. I've also seen Internet things try to predict valuations or net worths and things like that and not have a clue what they're talking about. But it seems as if everybody kind of just thinks this is on board, especially if you go with the Comps with teams that have been sold and what other leagues are doing, yada, yada, yada. So it's like, I've always had respect for what Jerry has done as a businessperson. Building up the most valuable sports franchise on earth is obviously an incredible feat. As somebody that is in the sports world okay with that being said, like the last five years, 10 years since we've been doing the show, really, it's like, there's a lot of like, what are you doing? Like, you know, like, there are a lot of that. And it's, it's like I've always viewed him as like, yep, Jerry will get it. Like, just like Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick will figure it out. Like that is Bill Belichick signed somebody. Bill Belichick will figure it out. Like there's certain people, like, I view Jerry like that. Like Jerry's doing this for a reason. Like there is a reason Jerry's doing. There's been some, though, that has popped up on a more regular basis as of late. It's like, this feels dumb. Why would you say this? Cuz he lost his fastball and I, I guess that's what Dallas Cowboys and other people. But I just want. I, I think I'm late to the game and asking that question strictly because I've been like, this guy, this guy is a. He's a gambler, He's a. He.

[AJ Hawk]

He's a pioneer.

[Pat McAfee]

He's.

[Darius Butler]

And he's got to respect that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's unique.

[AJ Hawk]

He.

[Pat McAfee]

Obviously he's not perfect. There's a lot of things that he has done that are not perfect, but he's a. He goes for it, you know, Which I respect. It's like, as of late, it's like, like, man, a lot of dumb shit's in here a lot. You know what I mean?

[Darius Butler]

You got to respect. We're, we're football play former players, so we, we know. You know what? Okay, this, it doesn't add up when it comes to winning the business part of it though, you know, you, you can't knock it at all. And what I respect more about him, because we were down there. Cotton Bowl.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Texas, Ohio State.

[Darius Butler]

Texas. Oh, yeah. So. And like, just how much of his family is ingrained into the business. I respect that. We saw what he talked about in Landman, but he really lives that, so I definitely respect that. But the last five, 10 years, we see so much more. We, we have so much more access into not only what's going on with the Cowboys, but what's going on with everybody around different leagues. You know, everybody has their inside. Oh, we're in a war room here. This deal is getting done here.

[Pat McAfee]

So now we see we're on the pitch at Burnley.

[Darius Butler]

Yeah, we're all. Exactly. We're. We're everywhere now. So now you see that. Compare it to what Jerry's doing. It's like, okay, what the hell is he doing? And he's always like you said, he likes to stir it up. And then you look at the valuation, it's like, all right, that's.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what he's doing. I guess it's working. Everything he's doing is working. Aj legit. But the Cowboys are always going to be, you know, prime time big name, hopefully.

[Neil Shipley]

Right. You don't think that could ever be tarnished, right? To where, like, we understand the Cowboys haven't had the success they want, but they're always going to be like that franchise, don't you think? Even long after Jerry.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know how many Cowboys fans do. You know? I think Cowboys fans are like, really Cowboys.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. But the NFL, the NFL also loves Dallas. Like, the NFL is never gonna want the world's most expensive franchise to start turning the other way. Well, after all, we're gonna see, though.

[Tone Diggs]

Because he's one of one. So, like, after he passes away, like, I get. It's his kids and they've been around and they've worked with him a lot. But, like, we'll see how. How much things change.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. How much are they gonna stir up?

[Tone Diggs]

Right.

[AJ Hawk]

Don't forget about how much he'll be around forever.

[Pat McAfee]

He was one of the first AIs holograms I've seen in a while. Yeah.

[Evan Fox]

Jerry's got.

[AJ Hawk]

He's got the. He. He's got the blueprint for what everyone else is trying to do, though. Like how, where, where does it go, do you think? When it comes to, like, stuff around the stadium, like the Jerry world own it all. Like, is there another step to that? Because the Cowboys are already there.

[Pat McAfee]

That's casino is the move. If you can get a casino.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's. I don't know if anybody's ever been able to pull that off.

[AJ Hawk]

Texas. No, that was the whole Dallas Mavericks.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but I thought New England was trying. Right thing. New England was like trying to get a casino in there, I think, at the time.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. And then they put in the first ever casino in Massachusetts. They did put in like five years ago, but that's by Boston.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there wasn't. I think Every. The goal.

[Tone Diggs]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Would be hotel, restaurants, shops, casino.

[AJ Hawk]

Casino.

[Pat McAfee]

State. Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, that.

[Pat McAfee]

I think that would be the goal.

[Darius Butler]

Is that. Is it legal?

[Pat McAfee]

It's.

[AJ Hawk]

See, I thought at play.

[Darius Butler]

Conflict of.

[AJ Hawk]

What wasn't the thing with the NFL guys was if. If, like, if the Colts went to New England. New England players couldn't gamble at a casino in New England, but the Colts players could. Wasn't.

[Pat McAfee]

No, that's a college thing. I think the different kids from different colleges weren't able to gamble in the state in which they went to college. I think New Jersey had one of those. There was.

[Evan Fox]

Oh, that's for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. There was another one. I forget what it was.

[Evan Fox]

Yeah, No, I thought it was Illinois. It's a lot of states.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. The.

[Evan Fox]

Some say as a. Like a human being, you're not allowed.

[Pat McAfee]

I forget what we were.

[Darius Butler]

Connecticut is that you can't bet on.

[Evan Fox]

Yukon in the state.

[Pat McAfee]

We weren't allowed to take any free rooms or free drinks. I think is like the. We were allowed to play blackjack, but we weren't allowed to accept any of the benefits. Oh, I think was the rule, if.

[Neil Shipley]

I remember right, when you're in the. In the league or in college.

[Pat McAfee]

In the league, yeah. I don't know.

[Neil Shipley]

Good question.

[Pat McAfee]

Because at one point, Tony Romo wasn't even allowed to go to a fantasy football convention. Then they changed the rule because of how big that. That story got. Pretty big. Then there was like a rule change where it's like, you're allowed to go to a casino and play blackjack, but you're not allowed to get the free room or something. Like. I forget because I was very interested. I was a gambler. I would say I had a craps table underneath my kitchen table in my first house. You know, like, I. I enjoy trying to strike it big and trying to win, but I also don't want to lose my job because of it. You know, like scratchers. Like that Colts had scratchers. I was one of my. I asked a question in a meeting and Chuck came up to me the next day and was like, do you like it here? I was like, yeah, that's not. How come I can't get a scratch off. Coats are allowed to have a scratch off. Why am I not allowed to have a scratch off? I think I could do great in the scratch off industry here in Indiana. I could just get with the state lottery, get scratch offs, put them in gas stations. I think I'd do well with that. Colts are allowed to have one. I'm not allowed to have it. Why is that? We'll get back to that meeting. Obviously keeps moving. Chuck. L literally. Hey, come on.

[Tone Diggs]

Jesus Christ.

[Pat McAfee]

Drop it. Just stop. It was all it was. I laughed so hard. Whatever he said. He's like, what? Just. We don't need. All right. Scratchers.

[Tone Diggs]

Scratchers just keep buying them. Shut up.

[Pat McAfee]

You're right, dude. But it's always been sports and gambling has been like, very. Yeah. But it's also like society now. Yeah. It's an interesting. That's just like weed too, man. You know, you talk about like, weed whenever that was happening. Colorado, you could smoke weed legally as a citizen there. But in the United States of Goodell, you could not. Like, don't even think about it. Don't even think. So what Your entire neighborhood can. And it's right there across the street. You're not allowed in our league. But not allowed to do it now. Like, as it's becoming more and more it's like they've lowered the rate in which they test for inevitably, that's going to end up being at zero. Players have to give up a bunch. It's like. But that's kind of how the whole world's all kind of coming in together, right? Yeah. It's a good thing.

[AJ Hawk]

It's about time.

[Pat McAfee]

I can't.

[Darius Butler]

Can't.

[Pat McAfee]

Sports betting in the players cannot just.

[Darius Butler]

Who was just Talk. Michael Porter Jr. Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you see talking about his brother.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What happened?

[AJ Hawk]

And a lot of people were really making fun of his brother because of what he said.

[Pat McAfee]

But what happened?

[AJ Hawk]

Michael Port Jr. Basically said, like, you know, when you become professional athlete and you have all this money, like, a lot of people have vices. Like, my vice is woman. My brother's vice was gambling because he couldn't get any girls. And then. And then that's what people took it as.

[Pat McAfee]

And then.

[AJ Hawk]

And then they just continued to gambled.

[Pat McAfee]

A little bit too much.

[Tone Diggs]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And his vices. His vices were the end of him.

[Darius Butler]

He was like, hey, man, what if I tell all my boys, hey, take the under day bet. Bet 10 grand.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Come from nothing.

[Darius Butler]

You know, fake injury.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. We can't do that.

[Darius Butler]

You got to.

[Pat McAfee]

We can't do that.

[Tone Diggs]

Certainly don't need to be talking about it on a podcast either.

[AJ Hawk]

Mike reported football makes people sorry brother. Never see.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah. For sure.

[Pat McAfee]

For sure. All right. It's all getting better.

[AJ Hawk]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We know so much, but do we know it all Never will never be a friend tell a friend something the nice might change our life. We're in this thing together. We'll see you tomorrow. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team, goodbye.