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PMS 2.0 1393 - Terry McLaurin Signs Extension, NFL Preseason Week 3 Recap, Ian Rapoport, Dan Orlovsky, & AJ Hawk
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Welcome to the Thunderdome and welcome once again to the Pat McAfee Show. I am Ian Rapaport. Football. And these are the guys.
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B
Hell yeah.
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I waited a little bit too long. Again, I tried to nail.
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C
It's all right.
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B
You're figuring it out.
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C
You're no strikes.
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But when you're. Yeah. That was one thing. That was one thing I learned in our little pre show discussion is that Schrager apparently killed it. Guest hosting.
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C
Yeah.
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B
A lot of people saying way better than Rap Sheet.
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C
Yeah. Which again, we agreed with but not resoundingly.
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Seems wrong.
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C
It does.
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It feels so. I'm Ian Rapoport.
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Thanks for being here.
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Very happy to be back. We got Boston Connor, we got Ty Schmidt, we got Tone Diggs. Daris Butler is not joining us because he doesn't like me. Because he likes Schrager better. No, he was here last week.
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C
Is that what he said? Geez.
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When he texted me.
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C
He told you?
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It's kind of upsetting.
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Yeah, that's fair. I'd be pretty pissed off too if I heard that.
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D
New England guys.
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It's kind of messed up. Well, New England slash Indy. But yes, sure. Pat is once again. I have no idea where he is. No, I have not be able to find him. Has he talked to you guys?
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D
No.
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C
Nope.
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Hasn't texted or anything?
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No, not much. Radio silence.
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Yeah.
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I hope he's okay.
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I don't know if he's on earth.
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Yeah, somewhere on the earth, maybe. Maybe. I hope he's okay. Best wishes. With Pat McAfee getting some much needed rest and God knows whatever the heck else he is doing, we got some fun stuff for you today. We got a lot to get to, a lot of football over the weekend we got some breaking news away from the football field. But right before this show started, we had some breaking news on the football field for the Washington commanders. That is a great tweet right there. You guys watched me write it.
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C
Wow.
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It was awesome. I actually wrote it and then had the wrong picture so I had to edit it and re bump it just.
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B
To get the pros, bro.
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Not my first time doing it.
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C
Bad luck.
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No, it's fine. Terry McLaurin, who had been staging one of the NFL's most high profile hold ins, has agreed to terms on a three year deal worth up to $96 million. That is the contract extension, gets a $30 million signing bonus and has the opportunity turn more than any receiver over the age of 30. It has been a long road for McLaren. I'd like to know the final details of this deal to see how close it actually came to DK Metcalfe's $33 million. That is what he wanted. Didn't get to the 33. And I believe the base is going to be lower because 96 is the max. So my guess is it's closer to the $30 million mark than the 32. But it's really nice for Terry McLaurin. It is. Thankfully one of the NFL's longest running sagas is now over. We have been able to process this now, even though it's been a couple minutes. Give me your thoughts.
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C
I mean, as a Patriots fan, it kind of stinks. Just because you're one of those teams that wants Terry McLaurin. I feel like there's probably at least 25 teams that are disappointed, at least fan bases wise for the commanders and for also the other teams kind of looking in on this. Is this bad for, you know, a Cowboys, a Bengals, where an extension gets done and this is just going to amplify theirs even more. It feels like we were saying for a while here like Terry's the one that will get the deal done.
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A
Yeah.
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C
The others, not really sure. But Terry McLaurin always felt like the one guy that was probably going to stay with his team. Again, just disappointed as a fan who's not a commander's fan. But I mean, the commanders, if you're just looking at the team now with Debo and Terry McLaren and Zach Ertz and Jaden Daniels and while Bill Crosby merit. It's all of a sudden.
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A
Which is a whole other story we're going to get to in a second.
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C
Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah. But they look, they're amazing now with Debo and Laramie Tunsil and everything. And now I think Super Bowl's right back on.
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B
Yeah. I do agree, though. I'd be interested to see what the actual contract is because like last week when you were hosting, we were talking about this. The really everything that we've heard about him in the last several weeks has been like, hey, they're way far off on, on money, you know. You know, he wants one thing and he's kind of being steadfast and they don't know if they want to get to that point. And it's reported at what, you know, 32 a year? You kind of just laid out what. What it'll actually be. So it'll be interesting to see how much he's actually making and how much he maybe had to concede or, you know, how much they had to concede. But if you're a commander's fan, I mean, we've been talking about, like, this needed to get done. They need Terry McLaren on the field this year to kind of, you know, make sure that Jaden Daniels potential just keeps going on the up and up. So I think, yeah, this is great news. And, you know, just in time.
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D
No, like this, you had to get it done. If you were the commanders, like, this is great for Terry, but the commanders had to get it done. Just like Ty said. Like, the number one thing for them is that Jaden Daniels doesn't go into, like, some sophomore slump like that. He continues to get better. And the only way to do that is with a number one wide receiver. And Terry McLaurin is by far their number one ride. Debo is great, but, like. But Terry's a number one ride receiver. And everyone who watches knows football. Knows exactly what I'm saying. There's but, like, a rookie quarterback, so you have the money and you want him to continue to get better. And, I mean, this is a new ownership with a fan base that is coming back to this team. And the one thing that you didn't want to do is lose them again and say, oh, this owner is the same as the last one. And we just didn't pay. One of our guys has been with us forever and shows up every single day and is the consummate professional.
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I was actually curious to see. You're right about that. I mean, this is an organization now that is more of the organization that does things right as opposed to the way it was in the past, which is basically an organization that did everything wrong. Paying one of your best players, even if it's a little more than you wanted. It's like, okay, let's say the deal comes in at 30 million. Okay, fine. So you want it to pay 29. All right, so you overpay a little bit for one of your good players. That's fine. I'm really curious to see what the fan base actually ends up thinking about Terry McLaurin because, like, it got a little bit. Not great. Yeah, I think the fans were kind of a little out on him, like, the. Some of the antics, and he did what he needed to do to get paid, and I think he should have done that. But the fans felt some sort of way about Terry McCorn during this whole process. I'm curious to see where that goes.
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C
Yeah, definitely. No matter what, when it's a big, you know, team or a big contract, fans are going to feel the way they feel during it. But I feel like now that it's done, it's done. You know, like fans, fans of a team. Sure. Maybe in the moment when things are getting released of him talking on the sideline during practice and not actually practicing, but because of who Terry is too, like for Washington, you know, you just mentioned how it used to be. Everything used to be done terribly and Terry lived through that and now he's, you know, on the good team. And I feel like we've said all these things for, you know, the last four months with Terry, but. But it is true, you know, he went through the shit. They finally got a quarterback, they got good. He wants to get paid to your understanding what was kind of like, did they ever get a best offer, like a, A damn near an offer that they were going to, from, from another team? Yeah, yeah. To trade them. Like, was it ever close? Were they ever like tempted with the team? And then I, I'm assuming you don't know, but should I just. Or should we start looking at contracts like this similar to how like Trey Hendrickson's is where, where sure, he signs three year extension, it's great. But you know, in two years there's going to be no money in his last year and then we're just going to do this again.
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Yeah, I mean, I would say, like, there's a reason that players want it front loaded now. Like, Terry McCoy is probably the last contract he signs. So like, this is a good one for him. It's three years. My guess is he probably wanted a little less. Maybe wanted two years to have another. But like three years is fine. He's going to finish his career with the Commanders. Probably. But yeah, I mean, like when, you know, if you're a really good player, like teams often do not want to give players third contracts. That is when you, you decide like, all right, we're going to move on or not. If you are good enough to get a third contract. Sometimes this fight happens.
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One helmet guy.
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I mean, right? And like TJ did it. The Steelers took care of him. Trey Henderson is still going through it and we'll talk about that. But like to get the real money, the guaranteed money for a third contract, it's like lightning has to strike. And sometimes you gotta, you gotta be the guy who shows up at the car dealership and talks to reporters and says, I'm disappointed in the team.
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Oh, no. What do we got?
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What do we got?
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No, I'm just looking, I'm just looking at the contract details that are being texted me because everyone wants to know, like, what are the real numbers?
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Yeah, the guarantee.
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Yeah, the guarantee. And then just like, what's the base? Like, how much does he actually get? But, like, to get a third contract, you got to go through this, and I think it sucks, and it's too bad. And you gotta be willing to withstand a lot. Like, it's not for everyone. Some guys sign, like Trey Henderson could have signed with the Bengals and gotten a deal that would have given him a huge bump this year and not a lot guaranteed after. And he wants more. And to do that, he's got to be willing to take the franchise, like, getting frustrated and the fan base getting frustrated with him. And it's not for everyone, but that's why there's only a couple of these.
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Yeah, well. And you kind of just laid it out perfectly there, too. About why fan bases get angry is because people like you say he was offered a huge bump, but he wants more. It's like that. You're the problem. Just actually saw it. I got it face to face. But like that. That's the other thing, too, is that, like, the. The players, especially a guy like Trey Henderson and Terry McLaren who weren't drafted really high and know, you know, one, how difficult it is to succeed, but to the likelihood of people who are drafted in the third and fourth round getting their third contract in the NFL, I'm sure it's not that high, especially at that amount of money. But, like, when you're a player in the NFL, if you don't, you know, stand up for what you want, guess what? You don't get it. Yeah. So. So what else are these guys supposed to do?
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And when it comes to the fans, like, you know, we'll see what happens with the Trey Hendrickson situation. But, like, you know, if anyone is upset about Terry McLaurin now, like, they're not. They're not going to give a week one when he has 100 yards and a touchdown. It's the same thing with Trey Hendrickson. So it's like, if you're not willing to kind of take a little bit of heat in the middle of the summer when there's nothing else to talk about, and it's just like, oh, this guy's beat. Because that stuff always comes around and we always hear the two sides of the story, and as long as those guys end up performing on the field, which everyone expects them to do because they're two of the best players at their respective positions, then, you know, sometimes you have to do this kind of stuff to get a Little bit more money.
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Yeah. Usually I feel like fans only hate the player when they're offered the basically the same deal. And, you know, they still force their way out. Like if Trey Henderson ends up getting traded and signs like a two year deal with a bunch of money in this year and not much money next year, then Cincinnati fans will hate him. And like, that's when, you know, people take it as a shot. Like, I'm assuming Cincinnati fans, if that were to happen, they would take it as a shot towards like the, the city itself versus the front office that Trey Henderson's been dealing with. But yeah, it's just nice one of these situations is done, honestly, because we've been talking about Terry, Mike and Trey for, for, you know, since the draft. So it's, it's nice that one, one of them finally has a green check next to it.
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I mean, I'm happy with it. You know, when these situations happen, you end up calling the same people over and over and getting no response. And it's like finally then it happens, it's like a big thing. And then you're like, all right, yeah, what do we do now? Terry McLaurin was one of the best players to come from Ohio State in quite a while. One of the also best players to come from Ohio State. One of the greatest football players who ever lived, a tackling machine star for the Green Bay packers, and good friend of ours is also joining us today. A.J. hawk. Yeah, what's going on?
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Killing it. Rap sheet. You look good on there, man. I appreciate it. But one question I have for Terry McLaurin. What do you think the numbers look like, say four weeks ago compared to now? Like, is there a ton of movement when you have these, these situations?
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Probably not. And you know, I think what, what basically happens is, and you know, I would say this is similar to the Tre Hendrickson situation is team gets to a point where they're like, this is around where we'll be. So like, you know, either take it now or we're just going to spend the next several weeks arguing over a little bit. And what you end up doing is you say, let's just argue. And so, you know, like the Trey Henderson deal, the, you know, he's going to get a probably double or something like that this year and then more money into the next two years. And the argument is over guaranteed money, not overall base. And so that's that argument. That's kind of why they're taking their time and not there yet. If they end up even getting there for the McLaurin, my guess is it was more like he wanted to get close to 33 million from DK Metcalf. How can we kind of help you get there without guaranteeing, without guaranteeing, you know, what we want, what we didn't want to do, like, how can we help you and not take money away from us? Right? And so what they did was probably up the incentives and say if you earn it, you are able to make $32 million. Like, that's kind of how they bridge the gap. And, you know, the numbers come out. Like, they come out. We're all talking about 96 million. And then. And I do this too. So this is not like, I do this too. And then the real numbers will come out and we'll be like, oh, by the way, here's the base. But, you know, if you're McLaurin and you say like, I'm worth 32 million, there's nothing wrong with the commanders going like, okay, go earn it. Like for us, but go earn it.
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What's that guarantee going to look like here on this one? Rap sheet. Like, what's the range?
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I mean, I would imagine it's going to be more than half. Like, probably what this is, is he's guaranteed this year, which he was obviously ready, going to play this year, guaranteed next year, and then a little bit guaranteed the following year. So what this probably does is, is lock McLaren in for at least 2026, which is some security, and probably 2027. At that point he'll be like 33 years old and then they'll have to pay the quarterback.
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Yeah.
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And like, you guys hit on it. Like, this is why you do the. You do these deals now. You pay as much money and this is why you can pay Bobby Wagner, like, $12 million. Most teams don't have $12 million for a off the ball linebacker who's a veteran, great leader. But when you have Jaden Daniels on a rookie deal, you can do that.
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Er, Scott Pace, he's a tackling machine. Rap sheet. He is an absolute tackling machine, though.
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Don't.
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You can't. Don't be slandering. Don't be slandering him in the middle there. That guy's been doing it forever.
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Bobby Wagner, AJ if there's one thing that the people know that I love, it's tackling machines. Now you are my favorite tackling machine.
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That's you, A.J.
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You'Re my favorite crew person.
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What?
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Yes.
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Oh, yeah.
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One of the nicest things. We did have some other breaking news over the course of the weekend, by the way. And I think of all the things that happen, this was probably the most important. AJ Specifically, I want to get your take on this. Pat McAfee, our esteemed host, who is right now is in parts unknown, was honored over the weekend in the West Virginia Sports hall of Fame. Congratulations, Pat.
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Hell Yeah. Hell yeah.
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A.J. you, you know him well. You've seen his exploits on the college field and on the professional football domain. What are your immediate thoughts about this honor for our friend?
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I mean, I think it's well deserved. I don't, I mean, I don't know when he became eligible for this, but he should have got it right away. I mean, go back and look at Pat's stats and what he did in college. It's, it's, it's unbelievable to think about. The punter is an absolute weapon. I've said all the time. Jim Trestle used to always say punt is the most important play in football. And I ended up buying into it, man. I understood what you can do, like when it comes to field positioning, everything about the punt game, but I think it's awesome. Rich Rod, his old guy is back here. Like, who? There's, yeah, Bill Stewart going in as well. Like, this is a, it's an awesome thing. It's going to be a great weekend for him.
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Yeah, it'll be sweet. I wonder to your point too about how long it took to put him in. Like how many all time leading scores aren't immediately put into their, you know, schools hall of Fame. It is so sweet to see, like, I don't really know, you know, I didn't know Pat as a football player, to be completely honest. Whether it's the Colts or.
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Did you not.
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Or the Mountaineers. No, not at all. I really just, I mean, he played for the Colts and I was a Patriots fan. Don't like the Colts. And then, you know, at West Virginia, I was damn near too young while he was there, so seeing all the old clips come back up are really sweet. Like having some of the, like he still has a Fiesta bowl record for longest punts. All that, like that. That'll probably last forever. I'm assuming he probably would Want to say retire 5. Retire Pat White as well. That typically, I feel like that is kind of a go to. But I'm so pumped for him. Especially with Bill Stewart.
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Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean, being able to go in with a guy who, you know, coached him and obviously passed away early, like, that's, that's really sweet. Yeah, the, the because it's not like the Pro Football hall of Fame, I assume. These guys can get, like. We see plenty of people who are still in college get their numbers inducted, like, in their last home game or. Or whatever. So I don't know. AJ Are. Are you in the Ohio State hall of Fame?
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Yeah, I don't know. I went in, I believe, right before co. I think.
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Congratulations, dude.
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That's awesome.
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Did you have to give a speech? Is packing to give a speech. Do we know?
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I would assume.
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Is there a thing?
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Probably, I think.
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I mean, we're. I'm sure there's a speech somewhere. I don't know if you're getting. I know we didn't give a speech. You got. They announced, like, all four or five of you at the. Like, during a timeout or during halftime of the game.
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Well, and you. Well, did you go in with, like, other football players or was it just. And then, like, same setup as Pat Nuge.
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Nuge went in the same time as me, Mike Nugent, so it was cool. I grew up with him, play with him in college, too. So. Yeah, that was pretty awesome.
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That's cool.
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Yeah, I'm happy for Patrick.
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So I got. My. My son Jude is here hanging out the dude.
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Shout out.
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Jude. Hi, Jude.
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Hey, Jude.
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He'll. He'll be making an appearance in a little bit after we talk about some real stuff. But, yes, he was asking about Pat and, like, how good he was, and it, like, you have to be like, he was really good. Like, I know people, like, he's obviously very good in this arena, but, like, he was good.
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C
Yeah.
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And, like, for us football dorks, like, the kind of guy you root for.
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D
Like, you know, it's hard because a lot of football fans, like, you don't, like, it's hard to kind of, like, just watch a kicker or punter and be like, oh, that kicker. It's easy because if it's going through or whatever. But punter, you don't know. But, like, when he retired, he was. It was widely known as, like, hey, the. The top punter is currently retiring right now, which is why it was so wild at the time. But no, as someone who was from that area and has a ton of people, friends and every. Who was. Who did go to W during that time, very, very well deserved because, like, Pat White was awesome. Steve Slayton was awesome. But, you know, there was a. A lot of punting and a lot of points that had to come off of that.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool.
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B
He kind of flipped the narrative too, for punters, because I can't. Who was it that Sean Taylor damn.
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C
Near killed in the pro hoska? Yeah. Oh, no, no, sorry. Like Brad Norton. Yeah.
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B
And like that, that was like the, that was. The whole thing with punters is like, hey, the, the only time you see, you know, Philadelphia is Jeff Feagles getting ear holed, like, stuff like that. And then you see Pat's hit on trending holiday, which is still like viral used all the time and like some of his hits in college. So I think he did a lot, you know, to change kind of the narrative. Like, hey, these guys aren't just sitting ducks out there who are, you know, gonna get their heads taken off every time they're on the field.
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Well, and also, like, you know, and I don't know how long we want to go down this rabbit hole, but, like, it's okay to celebrate, it's okay to be happy, it's okay to be demonstrative. Like, I think for me, like, obviously, again, he was very good, but the, like, can you let this guy's personality show a little bit? And that's okay. And like now in the NFL, it's embraced, but, like, is it sort of is.
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D
I saw a lot of flags this weekend of people just doing normal stuff, and it feels like there's gonna be an assistant.
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A
I saw this. I'm not even gonna do it.
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B
Is a point of.
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You can do it.
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A
No, I can't. I don't want to get fined.
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C
Yeah, sports going to find you.
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I assume there's an official somewhere. Just like, that'd be cool. The nose.
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E
Are you brandishing fake weapons? I know they can't do that anymore.
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C
No, no, he's, he's, he's doing drugs. First down.
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A
Is that what that is? I thought it was.
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I have no idea. I'm just assuming that's what they, I.
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B
Thought it was just a cool way to signal first.
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Yeah, I thought I was like, oh, shoot, I just dummy your ass. I gotta wipe my nose.
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D
What are you talking about? With, See, like, I'm, I'm, I'm worried there's gonna be a fan run in here one day and just throw a green dildo right on stage. What are we gonna do?
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We're gonna do nothing because it happened.
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D
It happened at the PGA tour this weekend. It happened on an NFL field this weekend, I believe. Or maybe it's college football. Well, it's, it's running rampant right now, so you better watch yourself.
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I, I, I do appreciate the guerrilla marketing aspect of it for Whatever it was.
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Well, the WNBA put up nets around the court, so it's not happening there. Yeah.
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Playing in baseball stadiums now, actually.
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I mean, I'm against it. You should definitely not do it. Those should.
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D
Player safety.
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Player safety. Like that could. That could hurt something. The fact that you had. Is that actually. Did they actually put nets up or. Are you guys making fun of me?
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D
Have you been to a baseball game?
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I've been to a baseball game where.
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D
The Nets are down the first base. They just did that for the whole quarter.
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C
He's joking.
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B
He's joking.
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See, last time I saw. Yeah, you guys were joking. It's a joke, they say, but it might have been serious. No one should be hit with that.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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A
I mean, that's.
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C
Yeah, yeah. It's not really. Did you watch the Cowboys documentary?
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I did pretty good.
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C
Jerry Jones basically confirmed through the documentary, like, hey, I ain't paying this. This guy, by the way. That's how I took it.
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D
At least there was no news on that this weekend, was there?
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C
No, not really.
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I mean, the. The Micah stuff. We get to the Mica stuff in one second. Okay. The Cowboys documentary, for those who have not seen it, was so good. It was so interesting, and it gave a portrait of Jerry Jones, not just like, as the. You know, the guy who messes up the team, like, all the fans. Like, this was a maverick. Like, walking across the field with Phil Knight after striking a Nike deal, which was like. Would blow everyone's.
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While the NFL is with Reebok.
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A
Right. While the NFL is with ReeBok on, I think, Monday Night Football. Right. Like, selling Pepsi is right in the stadium when everyone else is like, these are things that I like, suing each other. Like, I kind of knew this, but, like, I didn't fully. I wasn't fully aware of exactly. Like, I definitely learned some things watching this, Doc.
- [22:17]
C
Yeah.
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A
And I also learned a little bit about the Micah situation, which, you know, for those who don't know, this past weekend, Micah Parsons was caught not napping, right?
- [22:29]
C
No, he was taking a break.
- [22:31]
A
Stretching. He's got a back ailment that he's been battling, which is why he's not been on the field. He had to stretch his back on the training table, and it was caught in 4K, as they say. And then he was defended by. Is that Mike Leslie, one of the local reporters? Mike, appreciating. The media has not taken this out of context, which I appreciate the media, too, but that was a lot of show. I mean, that was a. That was a lot to show the public in the midst of a contract staredown, like he knew he was going to be on T for that.
- [23:05]
C
Yeah, yeah, uh huh. A thousand percent. And then, yeah, this thing shows. Yeah. And someone said like, you know, come to Atlanta and he does the, you know, call sign. Basically like call, you know, Jerry or whatever stadium chose. Yeah, stadium chose. To your point about, you know, just Jerry in general not knowing his entire story. I also didn't like knew he got sued, no idea why or what that situation was about. And then just learning about basically what today's NFL is, you know, off the field, like business wise is just. It was all Jerry Jones. Like we, we. It's funny watching the Kingdom because you learn so much about the history of the NFL when it comes to the actual football, like with Lamar Hunt and like what he changed when it comes to like the field goal post and everything. And then when watching this is so interesting because Jerry basically created the NFL's business. There's a story he talks about when, you know, he's getting. During the lawsuit, during the owner's meetings, Jerry gets kicked out of the room because they have to talk about the lawsuit that, you know, Jerry has against the NFL.
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A
This might be my favorite part.
- [24:10]
C
Yeah. And he said, he like got real. He said he wasn't emotional. And then while he stood up and walked out, he started getting super emotional. His eyes welled up and everything. And he just said, he turned around and said, you know, look, if you guys win the lawsuit, you can take the team from me. Like, I'm not going to fight you at all. But if I win the lawsuit, I'm coming back for every fucking penny. And it ended up being like, I don't know, $700 million or something ridiculous, whatever the number was at the time. And it's crazy seeing that Jerry, like we kind of talked about it before a little about how like people didn't want him go back to Arkansas, the JJ's, blah, blah. We said that last week. But then, you know, after finishing the Duck, the biggest takeaway was he knows what was happening and where everything was going. And I think if I'm a Cowboys fan, the argument is like, yeah, he knew them, but does he know now? You know, because so much has changed since, you know, the times of the 90s. And when he was, you know, taken over that after watching it, it makes me think like, there's no way he's going to resigned Micah Parsons just because of the fuss that was made of it.
- [25:11]
B
You look at the parallels with like The. The trade to the Herschel Walker trade. Like, and a lot of people are pointing that, like, hey, maybe he's gonna do that now and kind of, you know, remake this team just like he did then. But I think, I mean, like, the NFL is way different than when it was when the Cowboys were winning back to back Super Bowls, you know, just the entire landscape, everything. But it also was cool because now Jerry's just like a caricature. You know, like, people have all these stories and like, when you go back and you get this and you see that, it's like, okay, well, you can see all these different pieces that are going in that, like, make the caricature that we see now. But obviously, you know, in his heyday, and I mean, like, you know, time waits for no man. You know, like, he's getting old. It's just. That's just the way it is. But when he was in his heyday, he was. I mean, he's about sharp as they come.
- [25:56]
D
Yeah, well, rap since you've seen that and then you saw. I'll run it after I ask you this, okay? The. The quote from Jerry with Michael Irvin talking about David Mulaguetta and that whole situation. Yeah, let's just run it, right?
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A
Yeah. Then I'll get your thoughts on it. We'll come back.
- [26:11]
F
When we wanted to send the details to the agent, the agent sold us to stick it up our ass.
- [26:17]
A
Oh, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Now, see, I was just.
- [26:20]
F
So you're clear.
- [26:20]
A
Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean, so. So wait.
- [26:28]
F
Yeah, Mike and I talked, and then we were going to send it over to the agent, and we had our agreements on term amount guarantees, everything. We were going to send it over to the agent, and the agent said, don't bother, because we've got all that to negotiate. Well, I'd already negotiated. I'd already moved off my mark on several areas. And so the issue, very frankly, is we've had the negotiation in my mind, and the agent's trying to get his nose in it right now and try to come in there and improve off the mark that we'd already set. It's the Mama Daddy deal. You go into Mama and she won't do it, and she's the boss, so she won't do it. So you run into Daddy. Daddy says do it. And then you go back in, say, mom and Daddy said it was all right. So mom and Daddy did. We've all been there and done that. Well, we've got this resolved in my mind for The Dallas Cowboys. And we've got it done. And if the agent wants to finish up the detail, which is should. And do all the paperwork, and he can do that, and we're ready to go. But as far as the amount of money, the years, the guarantees, all of that, we negotiate that.
- [27:51]
D
How do you feel about that? I mean, you know all these parties more than we do.
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A
Yeah. First of all, that. That was amazing. I mean, that was. All of the rumors that I was hearing in, like, I think it was like, March, either February or March early, about, like, you know, Jerry Jones calling in Micah. Micah thinking he's going to have, like, a regular conversation just about, like, leadership and the organization. Jerry's in there and he really starts trying to, like, negotiate this deal. And Mike is talking back and forth, like, not negotiating in his mind, but just talking about what it might take. And then they leave. And Mike is like, call my agent. And Jerry's like, okay, but we just did this deal. Like, there's not a lot of precedent for this. I mean, the Cowboys have gone to players and, you know, talked to them about contracts, but, like, to think that they were literally doing the deal with Micah and then the agent just, like, gets to sign off on the final language. Like. Like, it's almost unfathomable to me. And I would say this. Like, the clip, the headline that everyone's running is where Jerry says, you know, the agent said, you know, stick it up your ass or whatever. It was like, that's not really what he said.
- [28:58]
C
Yeah.
- [28:59]
B
At all.
- [29:00]
A
Like, you know, the better part of this is being, like, you know, them talking to the agent and being, okay, let's get started. And Jerry's like, well, what do you mean, get started? We're already done. Like, if you wonder why there's a disconnect, like, this is why. Because one side thinks that they're done and the other side thinks they haven't started. Like, how do you. How do you bridge that? And like, you know, A.J. you did one of these, like, big time negotiations. Like, you obviously, like. Like, how did players deal with this in the locker room when, like, the owner or whoever goes to the player and tries to do a deal?
- [29:34]
E
I don't know. Has this ever happened? Like, when does this ever happen to where an owner and a player directly actually come together and hammer out all the details on a multi year, multi million dollar contract? Like, does that happen? I don't know.
- [29:47]
C
Yeah.
- [29:48]
D
Went straight to your agent? Is that what you're saying?
- [29:50]
E
Yeah, I'm saying that, yeah. Normally like, guys can be involved for sure, but it's never like, as far as I know, and people I've talked to and been around the league, I don't know any player that's just gone up to the owner's office, wherever they are. I was in Green Bay for nine years. They didn't have an owner. A little bit different there, but just goes up there and works it out one on one. We know there's guys that don't, like, will sign and they won't have an agent, but a lot of them still have lawyers, obviously. Look over the contract, make sure everything is situated. You pay them hourly, it's a lot cheaper than paying them two and a half or three percent. We know that. But like to think, hey, okay, how many conversations was this between Jerry and Micah to where Jerry says, we got everything hammered out? Like, how was it? One conversation.
- [30:27]
A
One conversation.
- [30:28]
C
One.
- [30:28]
E
Yeah, it's amazing. Like, so Micah probably walked out thinking that was fun, that was cool. And then Jerry said, we got a deal.
- [30:34]
A
I mean, and I think from my understanding of this, like, I'm sure the not. I'm sure, I know that the Cowboys would have paid him a lot. And I assume any starting point for a deal is like highest paid, non quarterback.
- [30:46]
D
That's what came out this weekend, right. Or that's kind of what Jerry said, right?
- [30:49]
A
Yeah, right, yeah. And that. Right. And so that's all true. But what the Cowboys have wanted to do is lock players up to long deals. Like, remember, Tyron Smith did like a, I think was like an 8 year, 10, whatever it was. And like what agents want, like this was the argument with CD Lam, this was the argument with Dak, is they want fewer years because they want another bite at the apple. Because they know, as we Learned with Terry McLaurin, as we were learning with Tre Hendrickson, that third contract is hard. And so you want to get there sooner rather than later because you want to be still in your prime. So, like, if you're David Mulligetta, like, you'd like a three year deal, you'd like a four year deal, like, you're gonna get the apy up anyway. You'd like, you know, an earlier chance at the apple. And if you're the Cowboys, like, you want like eight years. So that's my understanding of like, the Cowboys thought this was the long term thing. And then, you know, agent David Mulleda was like, hold on. What? We would never have agreed to that. Go ahead.
- [31:47]
C
Yeah. So like, to AJ's question, where Mulliget gets involved for a situation, and, you know, this is the highest paid, so it is the most, you know, money going to one player. So it's going to be a massive contract no matter what. But for, you know, kind of comparatively, like Lamar Jackson, for instance. Lamar doesn't have an agent, anything like that when he's have getting his contract done. Is that Lamar, you know, his mother in the owner, in the gm, like, how did that work? Is that kind of the setup?
- [32:15]
E
Because more than one conversation. I can promise you that.
- [32:17]
C
Yeah.
- [32:17]
E
No matter what he did, it was more than one conversation, one phone call or one sit down, I'm sure.
- [32:21]
A
Right. Definitely more than one. And some do it differently. Like when, you know, with Lamar, I think it was. It was some in person. I think there was some email communications because, like, if you're a player and you're like, lamar's not a trained agent. Neither is his mom. I know there's some advisors who have helped them, but, you know, not a trained agent. Like, a lot of times you want to make sure it is perfect, so you email it to, like, make sure that the language is right. And I think when Laramie Tunsil did his deal.
- [32:53]
C
Saint Omni.
- [32:53]
A
Saint Omni, yeah. Yep. Who, you know is emerging from the shadows.
- [32:58]
D
Yes.
- [32:58]
A
Interesting that my guy Toad is a real person. He's a real person.
- [33:03]
C
Yeah, we saw him.
- [33:05]
A
Yeah. You meet him?
- [33:06]
B
Nah, we saw him.
- [33:07]
C
Brief glimpse in the background of.
- [33:09]
A
You sure that was him?
- [33:11]
C
I mean, that was the gimmick. Laramie Tunsil seemed to be swinging on the. On the program that one day.
- [33:16]
A
Yeah. Okay. Well, Tunsil did his on email just to make sure that, like, everything was buttoned up as it should be. But, like, one of the weird thing about when you do a contract yourself is that let's say it's Lamar. Like, the Ravens can't kill Lamar on a contract. Like, it doesn't help them. He's their starting quarterback. Like, if they do some great deal for them that's bad for him, he's gonna be mad. And then it's like, why did you take advantage of me? So it's almost like the team is incentivized to do a fair deal because the player's the agent, and you gotta be fair to the player who's also, like, it's playing dual roles here. Whereas, like, if an agent's involved, like the commander's doing this Terry McLaren deal, they can get mad at Buddy Baker. I'm sure they're mad at Buddy BAKER. And then McLaren walks in it's like, let's hug.
- [34:03]
C
Yeah. Love you, man.
- [34:04]
A
Yeah. Always wanted to get this done. Like super happy. You know, it's like that's, it's, that's.
- [34:10]
D
What agents are for.
- [34:10]
A
That's what agents are for.
- [34:11]
B
Well then in this situation specifically, like what, what can. Because it sounds like Jerry is not going to meet with Mula Gaeta. Like, he's not interested in that at all. They've had a very public war of words back and forth. I'm sure they both kind of, you know, I don't want to say hate each other's guts, but like, Jerry doesn't seem interested in that at all. So like, what is the next step? How do you get past that? Like when you said one side thinks this thing's done ironclad, he just to sign. And Micah sides like, nah, we haven't even started yet. Like that in a vacuum seems like, well, this is never going to get done then.
- [34:43]
A
You know, it's funny about all this and like, I, like, I always enjoy coming hanging out with you guys. But one of the cool things is that you're forced to talk about these issues in like deep ways that like in 30 second bites on TV shows you don't really get to. This situation is even more bizarre than I appreciate it. Like to talk about it like this where one side thinks they're done and the other side thinks you haven't get started. Like, I, I don't know. Jerry said that conversation happened in March, right?
- [35:13]
B
Yes.
- [35:14]
D
So that's a long time ago.
- [35:15]
A
And that market changed dramatically with huge.
- [35:18]
C
Guys signing big deals. Yeah.
- [35:20]
B
So there's no way Jerry in his mind can think that that conversation they had then is still in play at this point.
- [35:25]
A
Right. Like, how can he, how could you.
- [35:27]
D
Possibly think that's what they shook hands?
- [35:29]
C
That's what probably pisses Jerry off the most, is that, I mean, him and Micah might have had that conversation. And then to Nick's point that night, like Max Cross, he might have gotten $95 million guaranteed in his extension. Like, there's so many different things that could have changed. And if you're Micah, the one takeaway too, as from, from his side of things, from this Cowboys doc is the whole Emmett Smith holdout. You know, we were talking about it before the show. Believe that I had no, again, another one of those things where like it just didn't know that this was happening. I shit, I don't even know if I was born yet. But Emmett Smith holds out for setting three, four, five weeks, whatever the Hell, it was. And the Cowboys were like, one in.
- [36:08]
A
Five, and then it was two, right?
- [36:11]
C
02.
- [36:11]
D
Yeah.
- [36:11]
A
Felt like. But I remember it was, like, dramatic. And so, like, very dramatic.
- [36:15]
C
This part of the DOC is like, hey, without Emmett Smith, this team sucks. Is basically how it was.
- [36:20]
A
I mean, being the backup running back.
- [36:22]
C
Fumbles twice, and I'm like, that's when somebody. I forget if that guy got cut on the spot, but there. I forget which part that was. But if you're Michael Parsons and you see that, then all you think is like, shit, I just got to wait a couple of weeks. This defense without me is, they're not screwed, but they're not going to be as good. If I wait two weeks and we give up, you know, four touchdowns in a game, I'm going to get more than what I asked for, Right?
- [36:47]
A
Well, how about this? You guys have been locked in on preseason games, right?
- [36:50]
C
Of course.
- [36:50]
A
How's the bag goes, defense looking?
- [36:52]
B
Not good.
- [36:52]
D
They give a 40 again.
- [36:54]
C
Again?
- [36:54]
D
Again? Yeah. 41 to the Colts. Riley Leonard was dicing him up. Bean was dicing them up.
- [37:01]
A
Sorry.
- [37:01]
B
I was just gonna say, I mean, you know, it's not all doom and gloom, though. They picked off Sam Hartman a couple times a few weeks ago. Yeah.
- [37:09]
D
You know, he's a male model.
- [37:11]
A
Yeah. Every time that they have a picture of him and they have his helmet on, I'm like, what are we doing? Missed opportunity.
- [37:16]
D
You're saying he should play without a home. That's.
- [37:18]
A
His hair is unbelievable. Maybe the best hair in the end.
- [37:21]
C
He does have fantastic hair.
- [37:23]
D
Why did you bring up their defense? Just because you wanted us to say that they gave up 40 again this week?
- [37:27]
A
No, because I think they would be better if they had, probably. So, like, this is sort of the point, right? Like, you're the Bengals. You're looking. I mean, aj, You. I know you've seen this, right? You know how good Trey Henderson is. Do you think that he's watching that defense and going, imagine what it would be with. Like, this is good news for him. Right? I mean, isn't this sort of why you do this?
- [37:52]
E
It's kind of leverage. He knows he kind of have leverage when, of course, you lead the NFL. And sacks, you've been killing it the last, what, however many years. And the defense that you play for is, you know, has not played very well, obviously, last year. And then into the preseason. Yeah, it's like an Emma Smith thing. Let's say they come out, first couple games and they get rocked and give up 48 points. And they get no pressure on the QB. Guess what? Trey Henderson. Yeah, man, we really. We really could use this guy. Of course, that's what your leverage is, like the production that you can offer the team.
- [38:19]
C
Yeah, but that's the other thing about this situation, is that we talked all last year about how the Bengals can't bring back T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, because if they do that, then their defense is going to suck and they're not going to have enough money for Trey Hendrickson. And then they did that, and now we're in the situation where it does stink, but they just don't. They don't have enough to go around. The real problem with the Trey Henderson situation, by the way, he's too nice.
- [38:42]
A
They do have enough to go around.
- [38:43]
C
Yeah.
- [38:44]
A
Of course this year's number is going to be high. It's going to be double this year. It's the next year's number, which I would say, like, you can worry about that next year, but go ahead.
- [38:52]
C
No, no, but I mean, that's the salary cap gymnastics. If they want to make it work, they can make it work, but instead, they've just decided not to. And this situation would have been, you know, done. I feel like it would have been over now if Trey Henderson took a harder stance, to be honest. And granted, maybe they just say, like, nope, you'll have to just sit out the entire year and forfeit the year. Or maybe they probably just trade him, which I would have assumed, but he's let them walk all over him too many times.
- [39:19]
B
Yeah. And I want, like, he's obviously an unbelievable player, one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, but, like, does he make them 27 points better on defense? Like, if they. If they bring him back and he gets a new deal and he's happy? Like, is it. They're giving up 13 points instead of 40? Like, I don't know if you could make that argument. So if there is any sort of bad blood still looming, like, maybe it is, like, you have a hard, introspective look, and it's like, hey, even if we do resign this guy, like, our defense sucks and he's not going to make a huge deal. Obviously you're not doing that because you have Joe Burrow and you have those two guys, and you think if you can get marginally better on defense, then you can have a chance to go deep in the playoffs. But, like, it.
- [39:58]
C
It.
- [39:59]
B
It is interesting that.
- [40:00]
C
That.
- [40:00]
B
That feels like more of a standstill than any. Than Micah or anything. Like, there's Just there's no new news on this. Like, it just. It makes no sense.
- [40:10]
A
I mean, I just like, let's say the Micah deal. Okay. Like, at some point you would think, like, Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott did a deal. The freaking morning of the season. Like two hours for kickoff, Dak does a deal. So. And I was. I knew for a fact, I would have sworn that the Dak deal was not getting done. I had a story written the night before that sucks about a d. It.
- [40:33]
B
Was a whole huge waste of time.
- [40:35]
A
600 words. Me and Palisio were working.
- [40:38]
C
600? You're crying about 600 words.
- [40:41]
D
That's not that many words.
- [40:42]
B
No, not at all.
- [40:43]
A
Okay. It was a long story page.
- [40:46]
B
Yeah.
- [40:46]
C
Double space.
- [40:47]
B
If we're like slimmed down margins.
- [40:49]
A
Yeah. If it's like Times New Roman, it's like this much.
- [40:51]
D
Yeah.
- [40:52]
A
It's like the. What's the one we used to use for Helvetica Wingdings?
- [40:57]
C
Ariel. I remember being the big one.
- [40:59]
A
Ariel was the one when you had to write like a five page paper.
- [41:02]
C
Yes.
- [41:02]
A
Right.
- [41:03]
C
Yeah. Size 14 periods.
- [41:05]
D
Yeah.
- [41:05]
C
Yep.
- [41:05]
A
Right. I had a whole story written.
- [41:08]
D
12.2.
- [41:08]
A
Dak Prescott was going to be the biggest free agent NFL history. I knew a deal wasn't getting done. I just couldn't get anyone to be like, yes, we are done talking. Because the Cowboys kind of kept talking. And then just like Sunday morning, the deal popped. And so like, maybe that happens with the Micah deal. Maybe they wake up and they go, like, let's just figure out to get our best player on the field. Because, like, I don't know that it's that hard to do.
- [41:34]
D
Can I ask you a question? With Trey and Micah, are there teams reaching out about trades?
- [41:40]
A
Yes, there are teams.
- [41:41]
C
Both teams.
- [41:42]
D
Who.
- [41:44]
A
I mean, you know, we talked about the Packers. I mean, there's.
- [41:47]
C
They're both listening.
- [41:48]
D
I saw some Raiders.
- [41:49]
A
I don't get the sense that.
- [41:50]
D
Are the Raiders rumors potentially true? Beltre?
- [41:53]
A
I don't know.
- [41:54]
D
I don't know where I saw him. I just saw him on the Internet this weekend.
- [41:56]
A
So I think the rate. The Raiders do need some edge help. I know that. But, you know, it'll be more like the trades we saw like last night. And, you know, it'd be like, yeah, right.
- [42:04]
D
Those are huge.
- [42:05]
A
A guy who you've never heard of, you know, for. I mean, at least Sam, you know, Sam Howell gets traded. Like, we've heard of him, you know, quarterback. But it's like, you know, are the. Are the Raiders in a position where they're going to give up a really good player and a premium draft pick for a player who, like, is he going to take them to the playoffs?
- [42:26]
C
Like, well, is that the. Is that going to be the price? No matter what? They're not going to change. They're not going to come off that.
- [42:32]
A
You know, this is the problem right there. It's like, I know for sure that's the price. Yes, but then what if a team goes. Instead of that, we're going to give you a pretty good player, like a starter who's good, and then a third rounder next year. Is that enough? And it saves you all this money, but, like, you got Joe Burrow. No, the Cowboys deal is different. Like Micah's. If. If you're trading for Micah, it's going to be all the pick. It'll be the Herschel Walker.
- [42:58]
C
Just with Trey. Yeah.
- [42:59]
A
25 versus 30.
- [43:00]
D
Whatever.
- [43:00]
A
Right, Trey. It's like, you know, they don't. The Bengals do not want to trade him. I know that for sure. But so I. I think the stance.
- [43:08]
B
They like jerking him around too much.
- [43:10]
C
Yeah, they like screwing with him. Just treat him like. And still comes back.
- [43:14]
A
He's so good.
- [43:15]
C
Yeah, he's. He's a loyal, loyal dog. And that's exactly why this is the.
- [43:19]
A
Curse of Joe Burrow, though. It's like, you have a chance to win the super bowl every year, so how could you trade one of your best players?
- [43:25]
C
Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, Trey's just like Terry. I'm sure there's a bunch of teams. I want him. What you said about Mike or the DAC contract, though, like how Sunday morning they wake up and then all of a sudden there's a contract done. Yeah, like, that sounds more like the Jerry Jones handshake. Let's figure this out at the end versus the, you know, at the beginning with Micah. Because, like, I. I'm assuming if you thought that he was going to be the biggest free agent ever, that the agent was probably done. And then Jerry was like, hey, Dak, let's figure this out. And then one of those classic, you know, handshake deals, like, I wonder if you kept digging on that, if that is probably how that got done, is one of his, like, patented handshake deals. And then I wonder if he said that to Micah, like in their meeting in March or whatever, where he was like, hey, this is how me and Dak did it. And then he laid out what they did. And then during that explanation is when he said, this is what I want to do for you. And then Micah's thinking about, you know, whatever nachos or whatever he's going to get from the stadium right after this conversation. And Jerry, to AJ's point, is like, holy shit, we just signed Micah. But there was just a massive disconnect there. And it just. It's crazy that that happened in March. If you told me that happened in March, I'd tell you you're full of shit. I would have thought that happened two weeks ago.
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A
That's crazy.
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B
Yeah, because the. The idea that, you know, we. We made him an offer to be the highest paid defensive player ever. That was like four different defensive player contracts ago. That was March.
- [44:51]
A
Miles Garrett gets done. Was it the day before free agency? Right?
- [44:53]
B
Something like that?
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A
It was like.
- [44:54]
B
Yeah, it was not too long after.
- [44:56]
C
I mean, Max was right there because the Miles one was right after Radio Row. Cause he was going around Radio Row saying, like, Cleveland sucks. I want to. I don't want to just go to Canton. I want to win a Super Bowl. And that whole entire thing happened.
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A
And.
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C
And then, you know, it got done right out. And then Max was right then, too.
- [45:12]
A
I can't. Aj, could you imagine? I'm sure you have never done this. I'm sure you've never had this, but a player signs a massive contract extension right before kickoff. I mean, does that not seem purely insane?
- [45:24]
E
Yeah, I mean, it does, but why? Like, it shouldn't now? Like, you could do it. I think guys could do it, especially if you're an outside rusher. Yeah, cool. Let's go play on third down here, we'll get 25 snaps and maybe two sacks and a cause fumble. And in the crowd and everyone says, oh, I'm glad he. His hold out. What's completely forgotten about, because this guy's an impact player and wins his games.
- [45:41]
A
Yeah, that's probably right.
- [45:42]
C
And that's all that matters. But that's why everybody wants these guys, though.
- [45:46]
E
Is there a chance they don't play Rap Sheet? Like, could it be? Let's say it's week four of the NFL season. Is there a chance that Trey and Micah still have not sued up for any team?
- [45:54]
A
There is a chance, yes. And with like, with Micah, like, you know, both these guys, I mean, you guys have talked to Trey more than I have. Right? Like, he is a principal dude who is very serious about the situation. And I would say Micah is the same. Like, these are two smart guys who care greatly, who are very invested in their own contract situations. So, like, I did not think that Terry McLaurin was going to sit out like once he started ramping up and we talked about this last week, I was like, all right, like they're getting a deal done and he's getting ready to play. And like, we have not seen that with these guys. Like, so could I see them sitting out games? Like, you know, normally I'd be like, ah, players aren't going to give up the money. Like, Mike is back. Might be tight, might might continue to hurt.
- [46:41]
D
He's going to get a big contract eventually.
- [46:43]
A
He's going to get a big contract eventually. I don't know that he puts himself in harm's way without it.
- [46:47]
D
I don't know. I said this last week though. 25 million is a lot of money. This year when he's, he's been playing on a rookie contract, I think this year he's due.
- [46:55]
A
That's his fifth year.
- [46:56]
D
Yeah. This year he's due to make more than he has his entire career, I think.
- [46:59]
C
Yeah. Than like by a lot, I think too.
- [47:02]
D
Yeah. Because I think it's been like 4 or 5 million a year if I remember correctly looking at it.
- [47:06]
A
But this is the deal. So like, let's say like we're all talking about this, right? And it's like obviously fascinating. We've been talking about it for two months and these have all the. Terry McLaren one has been interesting. But like, to me, these are the ones that are kind of more of the meat. Right? Right. Like you got the Bengals who do not want to trade Trey Hendrickson, but would do it for a price that would hurt another team's soul. Like, if you're a good team, you're going to trade like a starting player and a pretty good draft pick next year to get this really good player. Like, it's going to have to hurt in order to trade for him. And if you're someone trading for Micah, like you're going to give all the draft picks. The problem with the Cowboys is like first year head coach, pretty good roster. Like they should win, they should be playoff bound. Like if you trade your best player, does it just ruin the season? I think that's the problem for the Cowboys.
- [47:59]
C
It's a good question. Yeah. And that's what sucks with their thought too is like the, the conversation around the Cowboys is that they are going to be good. Like you just said it right there too. Like people do are very high on the Cowboys and they went out and they grabbed George Pickens and, and they made, you know, their team better. And now sounds Like Pickens has looked incredible.
- [48:17]
D
He's very good.
- [48:18]
C
Yeah, yeah, he's, he's, he's so good. And now he's playing with CD Lamb. It'll only be better. But the, the Micah thing has just completely ruined the Cowboy. I mean the Cowboys could have the second coming of Brady and I wouldn't know because this Micah Parsons thing has been going on for so long, it's crazy.
- [48:32]
A
I mean that's like. I thought about that. So like I was at. When I was at their training camp, I was there and I. And they played the Rams, you know, practice with the Rams, whatever. So it was like Micah and then Stafford and I was dealing with the. Stafford, like what is going on with his back injury. And like if I say the word disc on tv, make sure I say it properly.
- [48:50]
B
It's like all been there.
- [48:52]
D
And you're not a doctor.
- [48:54]
A
I'm not a doctor. I do play one on tv.
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D
Nice, nice.
- [48:58]
A
But yes, his aggravated disc. And like meanwhile, Doogie Howser. Doogie Howser is another one that comes up in conversation in the family. Because I'm like having to explain to my kids that there was really a show of a 13 year old doctor and we were like, yeah, this could happen.
- [49:13]
D
Yeah, it was a great show.
- [49:14]
C
I mean they remade, they remade it. They call it like the Good Doctor. I saw the Good Doctor. Yeah. Little different. I thought the Good Doctor was just like a little 15 year old.
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A
I'll explain you after.
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C
Okay.
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A
Yeah, it was very well acted. There was some other things going on there.
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D
He was an autistic doctor.
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C
Oh, okay.
- [49:32]
D
The Good Doctor.
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C
Okay.
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A
Okay.
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B
Doogie was just ahead of his time. Just so smart for 13.
- [49:36]
C
Makes sense.
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D
The Good Doctor is a great show. Was a great show. It was.
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A
I'm watching the pit now, by the way, if you guys.
- [49:42]
B
So good boy, you got strap in for that one though.
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C
I'm not watching that. Actually.
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B
I don't know, know a while of ER fame.
- [49:50]
D
Yes, yes.
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A
I mean he's.
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D
Season two is coming out.
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C
Mr. A. Who cares, I think is what Ty said.
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D
Unbelievable.
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B
That's good.
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A
That was. I was not ready for the emotional toll would take on me.
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D
Like, and there's, there's a lot of.
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C
Where. Where do you watch that? Is that like a stream of service?
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A
Yeah.
- [50:07]
B
Good to know. Just curious. We've kind of. We've talked about this a little bit and I've always wondered this as an insider. How are you? How do you watch your games on Sunday? What's your setup like? Because you obviously gotta have eyes on everything.
- [50:19]
A
It's a great question. Do you have any suggestions for me?
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B
Well, I was just gonna say, if you're not doing YouTube TV, you're doing it wrong.
- [50:25]
C
Amen.
- [50:26]
B
YouTube TV. You know, we, we talked about it ad nauseam. It is the best. Every game, every Sunday, all in one place with NFL Sunday ticket new users right now. Could be you rap. Because I'm getting the. I'm getting the feeling that you aren't a YouTube TV guy, which is the wrong decision. Now you're only going to pay 3450 per month for your first 8 months, way cheaper than any other cable package. I mean, you can just, you can go look it up or you can just listen to me because I know I'm right. You can catch your favorite live NFL moments with the most live NFL action all in one place. And they. We've actually made it easier for you, you know, if you just go ahead and scan that QR code that's up on the screen right there, you can go ahead and choose the plan that's right for you. So if you're not watching NFL football on YouTube TV rap, why don't you go enhance your game day experience this year and do that?
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C
Yeah, don't be a fool.
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A
I will say that when I go over to a friend's house and they have the quad box. Was that the quad box? They got the quad. I'm always like, all right, like now we're in business.
- [51:26]
D
It's the only option.
- [51:27]
C
And now you can customize quad boxes, but you didn't know that you can.
- [51:30]
B
Oh, man. I don't want Browns Dolphins right there last year.
- [51:34]
C
No, no. It's a unique feature that has only been introduced by YouTube. They're the goats.
- [51:39]
D
They are the goats.
- [51:41]
A
I will, I will look into it. Now I missed the. I missed the QR code, so I have to go.
- [51:45]
D
We'll send you. I got a question for you.
- [51:47]
A
Good.
- [51:48]
D
Foxy put up that graphic of other stuff we haven't talked about. Why are we hearing nothing about that Saints quarterback battle?
- [51:55]
A
I checked in on that.
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C
Is that why?
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B
I think so.
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A
What's that?
- [51:59]
C
What you say?
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B
I said, who cares?
- [52:01]
A
It's not I care. I hear great. I care whether it's I love all 32 teams.
- [52:09]
D
It's not true.
- [52:10]
A
I would say the fact that it hasn't been obvious is probably a sign that it's could go either way, which is like, not exactly what you want. Right?
- [52:19]
C
Feels like it's a bad sign for Tyler Schuck. Right. Because if you draft a kid in the second round, you're probably thinking like, hey, let's. Let's really.
- [52:25]
D
You want him. You want him to win the job?
- [52:28]
C
Yeah.
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B
Or is there the flip side where like, hey, we're going to stink this year no matter what, so we might as well throw this guy out there and see what we have because there's a good chance we're going to have like a top five pick next year. Maybe. And, you know, we. Maybe we don't want to go quarterback. If Shuck's really good this year, they.
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A
Have to see him. And I think they will see him, but I don't. I always go back to. And we kind of talked about this with the Anthony Richardson situation last week. You know, it's like, is it easy? Like, if they have to bench a quarterback, it's probably easier to bench Rattler.
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D
Yeah.
- [52:59]
A
Than like start Hayner, but start Shook Hander. It's not gonna be Hayner. Start Tyler Shook and then pull him. Like that's. Does that hurt his development? Good. Does it?
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C
Yeah, a thousand percent. It kills his development. But to Ty's point, does it matter? Because the. The Titans, they took will love us. And then right after they said, like, we got. We. We're not hanging on to Will Levis.
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E
Right.
- [53:22]
C
Guys, we're taking Cam Ward. And then they took Cam Ward. I am really debating betting on one team to go oh, and 17, because I think the Saints might.
- [53:31]
A
You really think they're that bad?
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C
Yeah.
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D
You don't.
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C
They've been. They've been 80 million under the cap for 10 years.
- [53:38]
A
Over.
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C
That's what I mean. You understand? I don't get. I don't get the over. Under in this situation. But fine. Because. Because, because if your company goes under, that means you don't have bad.
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A
Right.
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C
But.
- [53:47]
A
But if you go belly up, that's insinuates. Over.
- [53:50]
C
Yes.
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A
Under.
- [53:51]
C
Do football teams go belly up or do they go under?
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A
I mean, if you.
- [53:56]
C
This debate is irrelevant. My point is it just feels as though the Saints. It is doom and glory and the whole Kellen Moore thing. Like, I know some people don't believe in Kellen Moore versus others who think that he is going to be a great head coach. Like, there's just a lot of question marks down there and outside looking in. Should I bet on the Saints to go 0 and 17?
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A
It's so hard to go in 17.
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B
I know.
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A
It's so hard. It's like if you play spades and you get the thing where like Bingo.
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C
You get a point no matter what.
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A
Right? What's the thing where you get zero? Where you get zero tricks. Right. Do you guys play spades?
- [54:26]
C
Is it. We play euchre. Is that the same deal you.
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D
I believe it's similar.
- [54:31]
A
Okay, so like, it's hard to have zero tricks.
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D
Yes.
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A
You will fall into a random spade or whatever. Right.
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C
Can't believe Debo's not here for this. Debo love spades, does he? Yeah, he taught me how to play spades, actually. That's why I'm bummed.
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D
I don't know.
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A
I played. I was in. I was in. Aj. Is that a bit. What was your locker room game? Aj?
- [54:49]
E
Oh, the. Oh, I mean, played that one weird. You roll the dice and you move it around. I still don't understand Catan p knuckle or something. I don't know.
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A
Is it Boggle?
- [54:58]
E
No, it's like. I can't think of the name right now.
- [55:01]
D
My parents growing up, but there was nothing with dice, I don't think.
- [55:04]
A
Or.
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D
Or dudes.
- [55:05]
A
Mahjong. What's that one?
- [55:07]
D
That's a. That's a.
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B
That's the marbles, right?
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C
No.
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E
Dominoes.
- [55:14]
D
It's a Southeastern Asia game where they played Risk. By the way, shout out Chinese Taipei.
- [55:18]
C
Who?
- [55:18]
D
I said one week ago today that they would easily win the College World Series.
- [55:22]
A
And did they?
- [55:22]
C
Yeah, they did.
- [55:23]
B
The home run King was throwing mid-80s in the game.
- [55:25]
C
Yeah, Their coach actually went to the mound with two outs left in the whole thing and said, I'm just looking to steal some TV time real quick, guys, the girls in Taiwan are watching. I want to get up here. He actually said that.
- [55:35]
A
Are you punting me again? Is this like the net around the thing? Cuz the.
- [55:38]
B
No, no, no.
- [55:39]
C
This. This actually happened. They. The. They have the broadcast from Taipei and it made its way onto X. And like you watch the guy walk to the mound and he gets to the mound and they didn't have translations, so you don't know what he's saying until you read the tweet, obviously. But he starts talking. Then the broadcasters from Taipei start dying laughing. And then you read it and yeah, it was nice little moment. Tough, tough go for those Nevada boys.
- [56:03]
A
Yeah.
- [56:03]
C
Boy, they really got.
- [56:04]
D
They were just outclassed. I mean.
- [56:05]
B
Well, they burned gos in the US Championship.
- [56:08]
C
Unbelievable. That's what. That's what it takes to beat Fairfield ct, baby.
- [56:11]
A
Yeah. Is that what it was? They used their best pitcher to get to the final.
- [56:13]
B
Correct. And Chinese Taipei had been beating the hell out of everyone. So the home run king was fully loaded with pitches going into the game.
- [56:20]
C
He hit three days.
- [56:21]
A
He's a Fairfield guy, isn't he?
- [56:23]
C
He claims rugby. I think he is a Westport guy.
- [56:27]
A
Oh yes, that's right.
- [56:28]
C
I believe he's.
- [56:29]
E
What's the final score?
- [56:30]
D
Seven.
- [56:30]
B
Seven nil.
- [56:32]
E
Could have been worse.
- [56:33]
A
Could have. Seven nil. That's pretty bad.
- [56:35]
C
That's pretty bad.
- [56:35]
A
Yeah, that's. That's like in your life. That's like 49 to nothing.
- [56:40]
E
It happens.
- [56:40]
D
Rounds are touching.
- [56:41]
C
It happens.
- [56:42]
A
Yeah, I guess it happens. Well, I missed it.
- [56:45]
B
Clearly.
- [56:46]
A
I was. I was hanging out in Nantucket.
- [56:48]
C
You're watching Tommy Fleetwood shout out Tommy.
- [56:50]
A
I was watching Tommy Fleetwood shout out Tommy.
- [56:52]
C
Hell yeah, Tommy.
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G
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A
I don't even know what.
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C
Football. Football.
- [59:18]
A
That's what we're going to talk about.
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B
Early.
- [59:20]
D
That was on.
- [59:20]
A
It was too early.
- [59:21]
B
Early there.
- [59:22]
A
I've done this either 4 or 5 times. I tried to remember and I think I've hit it. Zero.
- [59:28]
C
No, no, no.
- [59:29]
A
Last week, one time.
- [59:30]
C
You. You've hit it every time.
- [59:32]
D
You let us breathe.
- [59:33]
C
You're just not. You're not hitting a home run every time. You ground out the third.
- [59:36]
D
Some time I had a false start there, which is my fault, not yours.
- [59:39]
A
Even though made me hold my water.
- [59:42]
D
For quite a bit.
- [59:44]
C
It's on three, Tony. On three.
- [59:47]
A
Right. You're like standing there in your stance and you're like, how can, like, can we just go? Can we just go?
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B
Bingo.
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A
Yeah.
- [59:53]
D
I want to get up to the.
- [59:53]
B
Ball and I want to fire off.
- [59:55]
A
I felt bad about that.
- [59:56]
C
Yeah. Now you've hit it, though.
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D
It's football season.
- [59:57]
C
You've been a solid, solid host. Yeah.
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A
God, I appreciate that. No Schrager, but no striker.
- [60:03]
C
But you'll get there one day.
- [60:04]
D
You're creeping up there.
- [60:05]
A
I love it. I love it. Connor, Ty, Tone, hanging out with us. AJ over there hanging out with us as well.
- [60:12]
C
See, Schrager would never do that.
- [60:13]
B
What, just kind of mail it in a little bit?
- [60:17]
C
Yeah, he just nails it in a bit. No, Trager would never.
- [60:19]
B
A little bit.
- [60:21]
A
You know, the guys who are with us, they're the best.
- [60:25]
C
Look at this guy.
- [60:26]
D
I think the difference is Traeger. And I'm not saying you should because you shouldn't. He somehow respects us and you do.
- [60:36]
C
Interesting.
- [60:37]
A
That's.
- [60:37]
E
What are you saying?
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D
I'm saying that Rap has a correct read on the situation, on the amount of respect that we deserve and Trager does not.
- [60:45]
C
And look, Trigger didn't pitch a perfect game. Look, and we're not talking about, like, we didn't have you know, a couple tips for him.
- [60:51]
A
Sure.
- [60:52]
C
But he had.
- [60:53]
B
He had a nono through eight.
- [60:54]
A
Yeah.
- [60:55]
C
Saying something. Yeah.
- [60:56]
B
So something to think about.
- [60:57]
A
I'm already. I already botched that one.
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D
No, you're.
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C
Don't worry.
- [61:02]
A
When people ask me, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, when people ask me what it's like to come on the show, I say it's like hanging out with Pat and his idiot friends. Yep. And I feel like that's.
- [61:11]
D
That is the respect.
- [61:12]
A
Yep. Yeah. So maybe Schrager's wrong and I'm right.
- [61:15]
D
That's exactly what I said.
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C
Well, maybe you're a prick.
- [61:19]
A
That's fair.
- [61:19]
D
Actually, you're not allowed to be talking to him because you're a rat if you do.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [61:25]
A
You know what?
- [61:25]
C
You know, you're so right, Tony. Thank you so much.
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A
I'm offended.
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C
Go ahead. My supreme leader, Mike Vrabel, head football coach in New England, basically told me through one way or another that I should probably start, you know, taking names. Yours being at the top of the list. Because these insiders, these rats are getting their cheese up in New England. What's the deal here? Yeah, can we hear?
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A
Yeah.
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D
There was a report today that Jalen.
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C
Pope will have to have seasonal ending shoulder surgery. Can you add anything to that?
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A
No, I don't know, other than I'd like to find out where some of.
- [62:01]
E
These come from, you know, some of these rats around here, so. We'll figure that out.
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C
Yeah. Let's just say New England's building is going to look a little cleaner going forward. What's the deal? Which one of your little rat friends kind of snuck his way and got his cheese up in New England? Because the Jalen Polk situation was a very, very, very loud one in New England. Second round pick last year hasn't been exactly what everyone's wanted. And now there's some little rat bitch that, you know, probably one of your little rat dogs.
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A
I hope so.
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C
And he broke. Broke some news about Polk. What is this?
- [62:38]
A
I appreciate Mike Vrabel so much.
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C
Like, amen.
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A
Like, and AJ Knows this. Like, when a coach is talking to the media, what he is really doing is talking to his players and his building. So, like, what do you think the players thought when they saw that? What do you think that all the assistant coaches thought when they saw that? I have thoughts, too, but I want to hear yours, A.J. like, don't you think they paid attention? They go, why? Don't want him calling me out like that?
- [63:06]
E
Yes. And they know the Next time they have an open locker room situation and some reporter tries to come over to them and whisper and like pull them aside, hey, I'm gonna talk to you. Not like you're in the group. You know, like, rap sheet knows, like with the big time. People feel like, hey, I'm too good to speak to you in a group. I need to be one on one with you. They'll poll someone one on one and they'll try to say something. It's all, you know, it's. You know, it's us. It's me and you. Yeah, we're just back and forth. Here we are, you know, off the record, here we go. Like those players.
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A
It doesn't sound as dorky when I say it. Just so you know.
- [63:35]
E
Yes. But you know what I mean? Like, they. These are on notice. Like, hey, I'm not going to be that dude. Absolutely not. But also, guess who else is. The front office guys. All the people in the front office, all the equipment managers, the trainers, like, everybody is kind of on notice. And then you, you realize that's what the culture is here and everybody kind of grows with it. But yeah, it might take a little bit of time, I guess.
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A
I mean, I think so you guys have heard my story about how Vrabel kicked me out of practice, right?
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B
I believe so. But if you want to give a quicker. Physically.
- [64:03]
E
Did he throw you physically out Tennessee, right?
- [64:06]
A
Yeah, when he was in Tennessee and I was talking to Taylor Lawan as he was like on the exercise bike coming back from ACL surgery, I think it was. And like I was chatting with Taylor as I walked by and he was just like. Cause like, you know, he was bored as heck on the stupid bike and just wanted someone to talk to. And Vrabel sees it and from like all the way over there is like, get out of here, Rapaport. Get out of this practice. And like makes this whole deal about kicking me out, which I'm like, wait, like, what? Like, is this real life? And so I'm kind of like awkwardly move all the way. I'm not gonna leave because where would I go? I'm in my training camp tour. Like, am I gonna go home? So I walk her to stand all the way in the back. And then Willie McGinnis, who was with us at the time, is like, hey man, they just canceled all of our one on ones. Cause you got kicked out of practice. I blew it so bad. And then he's like, hey, man, Willie. He's like, you got to apologize. And I'm Like, God, like, seriously, he's like. And you gotta like, really? Oh, here we go. Yeah, this is it right here. And it was so. Look at Vrabel. Look at his happy face as I tell him, I'm seriously sorry. I can't believe you found this so quickly, and it was so embarrassing. And then later, he looked big next to Willie. Yeah, they actually. The angle kind of messes with me there. Like, that was a little bit unfair. That was because otherwise I'm tall, but the angle makes me look short. And. And then afterward, Vrabel's kind of like. He's like, ah. You know, wanted to show the media that they shouldn't talk to our players during practice. So, you know, and I was like.
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D
Oh, you're the sacrificial lad.
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B
Made an example of you.
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A
Right? And I was kind of like, I get. And that's.
- [65:50]
D
He knew you could handle it.
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A
Right. And also didn't care about my feelings, which is fine. He still doesn't, by the way, good coaching. I like the guy. But, you know, if you're a new coach and you're trying to set a culture and you're trying to help people understand that when information's in this building, like, I don't think this information came from his building. Like, I assume for someone to report whatever that was, it had to check with Jalen Polk's side, his agent, whoever. Like, at least that's what I would do if I had it. But everybody was put on notice, and I think, like, you know, the Patriots have a lot to clean up, and I think they're going to be better. I actually think they could be maybe really good. Like. Yeah, I think this was message delivered.
- [66:29]
C
Yeah. It's too loud on. On that front now, for as a.
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A
Patriots fan, the expectation front.
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C
Yeah, you don't want to hear it as. Yeah, exactly. But as a Patriots fan, looking at this was one thing. But then when you hear, like, Bill Belichick come out and say his entire thing this past weekend about how, you know, hey, it's great coaching in college, GS. You don't have to deal with an owner and an owner's son. I. I think a lot of people, and I believe that's the exact quote. I. I'm not sure if we have. We don't have the video. I know. Because we couldn't find it, but, yeah, it's a lot of football and there's not much in your way. There's no owner.
- [67:00]
A
Is that really what he said?
- [67:01]
C
There's no owner's son. Allegedly that is the exact quote. And we haven't found the video of. We couldn't find it. But when. When stuff like this comes out now, there's obviously no way Variable's going to say anything about, you know, the owners, and he's not checking the owners when it comes to stuff like this. But does this happen where, you know, it's not, you know, Vrabel is calling people out, and definitely there might be people. But would it go as far up as, you know, the owner and the owner's son being a leak?
- [67:30]
A
I mean, I don't know. In New England, if that was the case, like, I don't know that Jonathan Craft is, like, whispering stuff to reporters. My guess would be probably not. Or if he does, like, I should get it.
- [67:40]
C
Sure.
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A
You know, not somebody else, but I haven't. But, like, in order to call out the owner or the owner's son, as a coach, like, you have, you better be Belichick.
- [67:52]
C
Yes.
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A
Like, you. And, you know, and even still, you wouldn't do it in front of a microphone. You do it in front of closed. Behind closed doors. Be like, hey, like, can you not, like, you know.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I've actually been a little surprised that Belichick has been as open about his sort of Patriots disdain as he has, because for he's. He is the most disciplined interview and person I've ever met. It's. As a reporter, I could never get him to say anything. I want it. Like, he says only what he wants all the time. He must want this out there.
- [68:25]
B
Well, I think if, like, no, old Bill, like, if that documentary never comes out on Apple tv, where it's basically just six episodes of them slandering him and killing him and saying that he really wasn't that big of a deal when it comes to the dynasty. And it was all Tom and a lot. And Bill actually was the one providing a lot of roadblocks that the team was somehow able to get over. I think he would have probably just let it die. But then that came out, and he was like, oh, okay, I'm not there anymore. Like, I'll kill these guys. Every myth, my resume is, you know, bulletproof. So, like, they can say whatever they want, and I can say whatever I want now, too.
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A
I mean, that documentary, like, you know, I. I all. I mean, we talked about the Cowboys one the first time. Like, all I do is watch those things. And, like, I thought it was done extremely well, but it was definitely not.
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B
Even if you were a fan, like, he was a fan of the Patriots. He hated it. Like, if you're a fan of Cowboys, you love that Cowboys documentary.
- [69:19]
A
Great.
- [69:19]
B
If you're a fan of the Patriots, you would have been like, this is this. What. What are we. What are we talking about?
- [69:25]
C
Yeah, like, the Chiefs documentary that's happening now. Kingdom, I think, is everyone. I liked it, but I think that's what everyone in New England expected the Dynasty documentary to be. And then, you know, I guess it's a little difficult with the Patriots documentary because, like, Brady released his own one the year before. Man in the Arena. Yeah. If you remember that. Through ESPN in. And that was exactly what everybody thought the Dynasty was going to be, because Brady's documentary was 10 episodes. You know, the first nine of them go through all nine Super Bowls that he went to in New England. And the 10th episode was his last super bowl with Tampa. Makes sense. Whereas, you know, that was made. And then a year and a half later, Apple TV comes out with a documentary, and the assumption is, this is going to be so much better. It's Apple tv. Bill's in it. Robert Craftson. It's all these people, all the Randy Moss, Brusky Var, all these old players. And then instead of getting that, like, recap of the dynasty, it was like, hey, we're going to try and explain to you why Bill Belichick wasn't as big of a deal as he was.
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A
Which, to be fair, the stupid argument. I'm sorry. It's so dumb.
- [70:30]
C
Yeah. I just.
- [70:30]
A
I hate it. It's like, Tom Brady's awesome. I love Tom Brady.
- [70:35]
D
Okay.
- [70:36]
A
Who doesn't love Tom Brady? But, like, Belichick was intimately involved.
- [70:40]
D
They needed each other.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
- [70:41]
E
I mean, Tom says that, though. Tom doesn't deny that.
- [70:44]
C
Yeah. I just hope when done with Kansas City, that. And I think they will. Just because Andy Reid is Andy Reid. Like, I just hope Andy Reid doesn't get killed for never winning the super bowl before Pat Mahomes, which he won't. Because he's an offensive mind.
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A
Why is that not. Oh, maybe. Yeah, maybe because he's an offensive coach. But, like, Belichick created the offense.
- [71:04]
C
Yeah. I mean, again, but people don't. People won't ever think that. And then you do go back and watch the. Those documentaries about how, like, little knowledge Bill would tell the other coaching staff. And you wonder why those other coaches who go and be head coaches don't, you know, have as much successes because he even played it close to the end, close to the vest, in his own building.
- [71:24]
A
I mean, that was one thing that was so interesting. I remember AJ Was talking about the reporters kind of, like, coming up to the players and like, hey, man, like, just me and you. Like, so I would try to do that early on with some Patriots assistant coaches, like, when I. So I covered the Patriots for the Boston Herald for three years. And early on, you know, you try to buddy up to some assistant coaches. Like, hey, like, you know, I know you're like the defensive line coach, but, like, what do you hear about this injury to the tight end or whatever, you know, Gronk or Hernandez or whoever it was. And it's like, oh, I don't know. Like, they don't tell me me. And I was like. Thought the person joke. It's like, they don't tell me. Like, you really just know. Like, you know only what you need to know there. And that's. That's kind of the way it is in New England, you know? Right.
- [72:09]
E
You know what you need to. You should know. Like, that's all it is. They don't. I. I don't know. I'm sure Bill is like, every other coach who's very paranoid, doesn't want a player getting picked up, and two weeks later you're playing that team. You know, like one of your practice squad guys knows too much info or something.
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A
Yeah, we have a fun guest coming up. I want to do something first. As you guys know, my son Max was here last week. My son Jude is here this week. Jude, can you come say hello really quick?
- [72:33]
C
You're the dude.
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A
I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna make him give a speech or anything.
- [72:40]
C
Young rapport. The tall one.
- [72:42]
A
They say he is a little tall. Jude, say hi to the people. I don't know. Pretty tall.
- [72:46]
C
I bet I see a Jude.
- [72:50]
B
Jude, are you snacking?
- [72:51]
A
Seriously? Eating on the show?
- [72:52]
B
What are you snacking on?
- [72:53]
A
It's okay.
- [72:54]
E
It's like Brad Pitt.
- [72:55]
C
Yeah, for Orlowski, actually.
- [72:56]
A
Yeah, that's fine. You're allowed to eat on the show.
- [73:00]
C
Well, that's not true.
- [73:02]
H
All right.
- [73:02]
A
You have any football? No, it's not true. Do you have any football knowledge to impart to the people? Football is a sport.
- [73:10]
C
It is. Let's go. What's your favorite fantasy pick this year, Jude?
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A
Who do you like?
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B
Keep that close to the vest.
- [73:16]
A
I like it.
- [73:17]
C
Respect.
- [73:17]
A
How about this? How about this? Jude is. Jude is starting tackle football for the first time.
- [73:21]
B
Here we go.
- [73:22]
C
Okay.
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A
He gets his uniform. He gets his pads today and his first pad at practice on Thursday. Aj what advice do you have for my good Friend Jude, as he starts tackle football.
- [73:32]
E
Keep your head up. Don't break your neck and run and hit as, as hard as you can.
- [73:35]
D
Bingo.
- [73:36]
A
He said run. Run.
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C
Yeah.
- [73:37]
B
You can't, can't hear.
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A
Can't hear me. Say bye to the people.
- [73:40]
C
You grab that 55 jersey and you, you take down the biggest son of a bitch on that field.
- [73:44]
D
Yep.
- [73:44]
E
There you go.
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C
That's the advice, brother.
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A
I'm going to pick 54.
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C
There you go. That works, too.
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A
Goodbye, Zach Thomas. Good choice.
- [73:52]
C
Yeah.
- [73:52]
E
All right.
- [73:53]
C
Bye, Jude. One of his favorite players. Yep.
- [73:56]
A
Do we have our esteemed guest on? We do. Okay. All right. Thank you, Jude, very much for hanging out with us. Glad he did not embarrass the family, just as Max didn't last week. Would like to welcome back to the show. I'm trying to do a good intro because I think the boys were sad about my bad intro for them.
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C
Oh, nope.
- [74:12]
D
No, no, no.
- [74:13]
C
Do your thing.
- [74:14]
D
We're just.
- [74:14]
C
Hey, we're just here, man.
- [74:15]
D
Dan is a respectable.
- [74:16]
B
Trying to give you some constructive criticism.
- [74:18]
A
Dan Arlovski joins the show. What's up, Dan?
- [74:23]
H
What's going on, guys?
- [74:24]
D
Such nice collared shirts.
- [74:27]
A
It's ready to roll. How you doing, man? What's going on?
- [74:31]
H
Not much. Fantastic. I, I, I can't love AJ's advice more to your son, who is just about to start tackle. The second thing he hit him with was don't break your neck. So it's good.
- [74:45]
E
Number one thing. Keep your head up.
- [74:46]
D
Heads up.
- [74:48]
H
Yeah, I got one. I got one. He, he likes to drop the head. A.J. and I, I tell him all the time, dude, you're gonna get hurt like that. He's like, what do you mean? Get her. I'm like, dude, you're gonna get hurt like that.
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E
Not the worst thing. It's not the worst thing that could happen. Dan, though. It's all right. We could figure that one out. You could figure it out. We'll get it.
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A
Yeah, I am, I have to be honest, like, I'm a little nervous. I know my wife is not that excited that Judah's playing tackle football. I am beyond excited.
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D
Yeah.
- [75:12]
A
And I think, why?
- [75:13]
H
What is she nervous about rap? Just because it's football, does she don't want him to get hurt type of thing?
- [75:17]
A
Yeah, I guess, you know, just injuries, but, like, you know, kids are taught so much better now than I think they ever were. And he wants to play defense. He wants to pick passes off. He's very fast.
- [75:25]
B
Hell, yeah.
- [75:26]
A
He wants to play safety.
- [75:28]
C
Hell, yeah. Young Cooper just missed.
- [75:31]
A
Cooper's also cool.
- [75:32]
D
Come down and fill that alley.
- [75:34]
A
Yeah, he. He's. He. He jumps past us, he knows he might let a light, let a pass, get over his head, but he also will pick off one as well.
- [75:41]
H
So he's an aggressive player, high risk, high reward guy.
- [75:43]
B
We got any, like, exotic blitz packages for him?
- [75:46]
C
Yeah, little Jude, off the edge blitz.
- [75:48]
A
Like old Derwin James or like. Yeah, Derwin Hamilton. Yeah.
- [75:53]
D
DC's yelling, Beatles, Beatles.
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A
Beatles.
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D
And we know that hey Jude is coming.
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A
It's actually great.
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H
Well done.
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A
I like it.
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H
Well done, Tonde.
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D
Thank you, coach.
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A
So, Dan, we had. Before you came on, we had the Terry McLaren contract negotiation saga ended three years, up to $96 million in the contract. You know how important he is to that offense. I got two questions for you. One is, what's your initial reaction to this deal? And then the other thing is he hasn't practiced with them. Like, can they get back quickly enough to make an impact early?
- [76:28]
C
Yeah.
- [76:28]
H
Reaction was about time, you know, and I got, like, many people, like, super bummed and upset that it got to that point. And I was one of those people, and I am one of those people that, like, who you are does matter. In contract negotiations, you are paying the person, you know, at times not saying just as much as the player, but it should have some type of, you know, And I thought that Terry had been, like, the face of that franchise during some really down times, and I was upset that it got to that point. But I'm also tip of the hat that they figured it out before the season. And the second thing, no, I don't think they can hit the ground running. I think you have to be super, super, super smart, especially for a team that coming off of last year has, you know, the aspirations and belief that they'll be playing in January. We talk about it all the time when it comes to these soft tissue injuries and specifically hamstrings for guys that are running a long time. So I think, you know, Washington needs to be super smart about how they go about his next four to six weeks. And. And, you know, I know CD missed some time last year and didn't really suffer, at least to my brain, recalling last year, any type of injury that.
- [77:39]
A
Right.
- [77:40]
H
Forced him to miss time, but iuk, I think did at some point previously. So you just got to be really smart. This is an offense that runs no huddle as well. So this isn't an offense that has the traditional run of play. Get back to the huddle. Take, you know, 40 seconds and so the tempo that they play in has a little bit of benefit, but also there's a, there's a attacks to their bodies as well. So I think that one of the things that just paying attention to is how he's getting used his snap counts, you know, in that first month of the season.
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A
Yeah.
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H
You know, they need to be smart and keep on the long term vision for this season.
- [78:20]
A
That's interesting. Yeah. So four to six weeks is basically that's training camp. It's like allow this to be their training camp now and like if he doesn't play 80 snaps, like that's okay, but just let him kind of ease his way in is what it sounds like, which makes sense. I want to. Boys, have got some questions for you. I want to go back to one thing you talked about last week. I was pretty up in the air on Matthew Stafford. What was going to happen. You were not up in the air. You believed that he was going to be okay. And then I think as you were on, he started practicing. It is a week from there. You had no setbacks. First of all, how happy are you to be? Exactly. Right. And two, you've seen some clips. I mean, does he look like himself?
- [79:02]
H
Yeah, I mean, I've got an unhealthy obstacle being right. So it's not, at times it's a good, it's a bad thing. Yeah, he looks like himself. You know, I think one of the things that's probably most impressive about Matthew is, and this is, you know, kind of going back 10 years when Matthew started to go to those quarterback specialists out in California. I think Adam Dadao is, is the guy that led the way is, you know, Matthew really wanted to become more of a technician throwing the football. He was that gunslinger and you know, had tremendous talent, but he really wanted to become like as best as possible. And I think that's the thing that stands out when you watch him not only play, but even some of the clips you're watching right now is just how much he, you know, as the back end of his career has become just a technician. And that's become a huge part of how well he's played down the back stretch. So I don't, I don't think we have to sugarcoat this when it comes to the Rams. And you had heard Floats about this in the, over the past year. At least I had was, you know, they were, they were all in on maybe like one final run with Stafford and McVay together. I don't think it's crazy to say that if they had beaten Philly last year, they would have gone to the super bowl and maybe Matthew wouldn't be a Ram right now if they had gone and won it. I do think that there are some people who have that same thought process of like, this is the final run. Like, this is the last year of this. Hey, we can go win a Super Bowl. This quarterback is capable of going to win that super bowl with this coach. And so I thought that was one of the reasons why they were extra cautious and that's why I didn't really have a ton of doubt. So, yeah, I think he looks great. And like, listen, dude, if they. I think there's two things about their football team, Ian, that probably they're searching for. They got to get more explosive in the run game. They're really efficient in the run game. They got to get more explosive. The teams that were like six out of seven, you know, final six or seven playoff teams last year, they were all explosive in the run game. The Rams weren't. And then two, they can't be in third and longs. Some teams can and they can survive. The Rams can't. Their offensive line is really good unless it's third and obvious passing situations. If they, if they take steps forward in those two things, they'll be in the NFC title game.
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A
Fascinating, fascinating stuff from someone who knows Stafford so well. That's all well and good, two big stories, but I think it's fair to go to our good friend Tone Diggs for the biggest story of the weekend.
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D
Yeah, Dan, I'm not sure if you saw the Cleveland Browns played a preseason game, their final preseason game. Simple question. First, how many games do you think Kevin Stefanski is going to be suspended for the mishandling of the quarterback situation in the preseason finale? Can't believe that he played Joe Flacco even though he hasn't played at all yet this preseason. No, but in all honesty, there's a lot going on on the Internet and one side's not going to change their mind, the other side's not going to change their mind. But just from the football side and the tape and what you've seen, how do you, what do you make of the whole Cleveland Browns quarterback situation?
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H
Yeah, just from this past weekend, I thought number one, Joe looked really sharp. Number two, Dylan Gabriel did as well. Dylan Gabriel played super fast. I thought he made some big time NFL throws to the perimeter. Just play that. The NFL speed. He sees it clean, he sees it fast, he moves quickly and he executes at A really high level on a consistent basis. That's just what the two games of his tape have shown. If you take away the pick six, which I thought was miscommunication, and the fumble, which I believe was his, but that's a very correctable thing. It's crazy clean and it happens real. It's very toa. Like, it's. I know they're the left. It's very toa. Like, some of these throws happened crazy quick. Okay. The door. It was a struggle. A lot of the things that we saw Chador doing college that were concerning coming out showed themselves. Caught the ball. It did. It seemed like he wasn't looking to read the defense. He was just trying to see where the offensive line moved to, and he was going to move off of that at slow eyes. And so that that showed itself. And that was concerning coming out of school, and it was concerning against the Rams defense. So the overall takeaway is this tone. Like, one game Carolina, pretty darn good, dude. Like, really, really, really impressive. One game against the Rams, like, this ball has got to be a throwaway. It's first and 10. The defense won the rep. Throw the ball away now, everyone might go, oh, it's a three yard loss. So second and 13 is almost impossible to come back from. And then second and 12, you check the ball down and move. Maybe it's third and nine. It's third and forever. So, like, those were the things that you were just. At least me, like, you were concerned about coming out of school and. Okay, he's gonna have to fix that. He didn't. It doesn't mean he can't. We don't have to sit here and say that a coach who's dedicated his life to football and dedicated his life to development of players in football is sabotaging an NFL legend's son's career. We don't have to go that far. If you've ever spent time with Kevin Stefanski and talked to Kevin Stefanski, you would be like, man, he's just a really good guy. Andrew Barry, their general manager. If you ever spent time and talked with Andrew Barry, you'd walk away like, dude, that. He seems like the nicest person on the planet. I don't think those two guys got in, you know, cahoots together and said, let's sabotage an NFL legend's career. I don't know his son's career. So Internet was talking.
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A
Just think Internet was talking.
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C
Yeah.
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H
My gosh.
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D
He was playing with lineman that got cut. Dan.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Imagine Lyman getting cut in preseason that absurd. Players getting cut on cut down day. I just never happen.
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C
Come on.
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H
Yeah. So I just think everyone needs to take a deep breath and being like, he had one good game, he had one bad game. He has to develop in some stuff, he's got to improve in some stuff. And hopefully for his case, he does, you know, like, I think it could be as simple as that.
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A
Ty, you got a question?
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B
Yeah, Dan. I don't think the trade is that big of a trade deal. And I know you were talking about sleeper teams in the NFC this morning and you know, you had the Vikings on there. They trade Sam Howell and go out and sign Carson Wentz. Are you surprised at that whole situation with a team that has, you know, NFC championships, Super bowl aspirations? And it's kind of just like, hey, this is J.J. mcCarthy's team. If we're going to go where we want to go, he's got to be the one that takes us there. And should we just operate under the assumption that it's KOC and no matter what or who's, you know, who's under center, like he's going to get them right and the Vikings are still going to be kind of hell to deal with this year.
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H
I think the Vikings are going to be absolute hell to deal with this year. I don't, I'm not like, it doesn't matter who's under center. You have to have a really good player to be, you know, one of those real true competitive teams. I think it speaks to what they believe in JJ and what they've seen about, you know, in JJ over the course of the last 16 to 18 months. I'm not overly surprised. Also, the guy that they have third string, I think Matt Brosner has been pretty impressive as well with like the way that he plays. So I think that he's got a future. I'm not all that surprised. With the same owl trade. You know, Carson's got a past with Josh McCown, who's their quarterback coach. I think that they firmly believe in JJ McCarthy and if they have added reservations about who he was going to be as a player, would have done something different than Carson Wentz. I think Carson Wentz is the. If something happens to JJ and we need a guy to play for a week or two, Howell didn't necessarily fit what they were doing. Schematically, Carson's got a little bit of past when it comes to all the offenses he's been in. This team's got a chance. I don't feel all that different about this team.
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C
Than I do.
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H
You know, the Rams. I don't want to say as high as the Rams, but like, listen, if they hate stay healthy and JJ plays the way that Sam Darnold did or in that vein, this team very much so could be an NFC championship contender because they're. They're so deep. They're so. And their lines of scrimmage are so good and they're coached so well. Their top five coaching combinations. So I think they need to add a veteran receiver because the add ins. Addison suspension and just the JJ hamstring gives me a little bit of like, deep breath.
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D
Hold on, Dan.
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B
Just happen.
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D
Ian. No, no, no. Nothing happened. Why Are there. Is there any truth to the teal and back to the Vikings rumors?
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A
They are in discussions. They've had those two sides of that talks. You freak me out because you said it.
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D
Well, I saw. Yes. I'm sorry that you. But I also saw Dan tweeted when those rumors were going yesterday that he would hate that for Bryce Young, but obviously that would. That was great for jj.
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A
Listen, Dan, I want to. I want to hear your take. And I know guys have some more questions for. I want to hear your take on this too. But, like, it. It would suck for Bryce Young, but for Thielen, this would be. And the two sides have had conversations. I wouldn't be surprised if a deal happened. Has not happened yet. And I know the Panthers are fine not trading him. Um, but, God, for Thielen, this would be the most amazing, like, reunion. Right? I mean, how cool would that be?
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H
Yeah, I think.
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C
Yes.
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H
For Thielen to be able to go back home, go to the place that he started his career, finish his career, be on a team that could, you know, have legitimate NFC championship and super bowl run aspirations. Obviously, with the Addison injury, there's a. There's a little bit of need there for a player that can perform at a high level. Suspense. No. Yes. Excuse me. Suspension.
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A
Yep.
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H
Correct. So. Yes. Yes, yes. There's a. There's a. Another side to it though, as well. Is like, man, I would. I would. I would hate for. For Bryce to lose him. I really would. I thought he was so important for Bryce's finish last year. And I would also say Ted McMillan and Xavier Leggette have, like, really unique skill sets. Their frames are really important. Like, when it comes to where a quarterback comforts. Comfort his comfort level and throwing them the football, they're big body guys. Ted's a little bit more lanky. Xavier's a little bit more thick. Adam's the feel guy. Adam's the, you know, the possession guy. And so for Bryce to lose that, while it would be a plus for JJ and certainly a great story for Adam, it's a, It's a loss, in my opinion. Big time, big time loss for Brighton, Carolina. Important.
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C
Sure. Yeah. Important years, right?
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A
Oh, kind of. Dan's going in. We got, we got the guy back.
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C
Yeah, he's there.
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A
All right. Okay, A.J. i know you got a. I know you got a question. I think you have a question for Dan as we try to get in, try to make sure that he's got service. I just keep saying words. Are we. Are we good? All right, go, A.J.
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E
You are good, Dan. I think it's good. Where are you with the. The Denver Broncos? We know there's a lot of people that are very high on the Broncos and what Bo Nicks could possibly do year two with Sean Payton. Where are you exactly? How do you think they stack up in the afc?
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H
Yeah, they're. They're the probably top three defense in the NFL. I think they're going to be an absolute problem in the AFC West. Yes. You got to beat Kansas City. To beat Kansas City and actually get it done finally. It's the best division Patrick's ever played against. I think, like the things that are most stand out about this, we won. It'll be a top five offensive line of football this year. Sean Payton, back when he was with the Saints, they always had one of the best offensive lines, specifically guard, center, guard. They've got that again in Denver, it'd be a top five offensive line. I think the two things that stand out to me are that our big question mark are, you know, they. Sean talked about having that joker when it comes to that tight end guy that he would move around. And the thing that I know about Sean's offenses are Sean wants that joker to be a multifaceted player. What I mean by this is that he wants that Jimmy Graham type of guy that you could put out and put by himself or move around, and that guy's going to give the quarterback information of the defense. Are they in, man, Are they in zone? Is it going to be one safety? Is it going to be two safeties? But then also it gives that guy a matchup that you believe can be a winner when it comes to those one on one situations and they make the trade or they acquire Evan Ingram. And I would say that Evan necessarily hasn't been that type of guy. Like he hasn't been the guy that you put out there by Himself and he just kills people. He's definitely get the ball to type of player. Certainly in Jacksonville where like you want to find ways to get him the football and I want to see how Sean Payton uses him because like you don't want to just put him out there because I always say this AJ you put a tight end like that out there and he doesn't win in matchups, you're not really as a defense that worried about him. So like you don't gain the benefit of the matchup. Okay, so how does Sean Payton use them? And then Troy Franklin, who's their second year receiver that they took out of Oregon in the fourth round. It was like this long, lanky vertical threat. If he takes a step forward, man, and he has in camps and preseason games that really gives them two pretty darn good receivers with him and Sutton. So like I'm super, super, super high on Denver, but not only or just because of their defense.
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A
I was. So I spent some time in Denver too and I talked to Sean Payton for a while. I, you know, you never quite can tell what someone's going to say about their own expectations because you know, some coaches are like, ah, you know, we haven't accomplished it. He was like, I think we're going to be good. He like, he was like really buying into and like wants the expectations set, wants the team to know how good they are. And like I, I agree and I think there's.
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H
I would tell you this just. And I don't mean to cut you off, sorry. From my, just from a football perspective, I tell you the only team that I think in that conference is better when you take both offensive and defensive lines. I don't think anybody in that conference, wow, maybe Baltimore. But when it comes to like how good is your offensive, how good is your defensive line? They're if as good, if not better than everybody.
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A
I mean that's, that's about as. That's a pretty good example of why they're going to be really good. Connor's got a question for you.
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C
Yeah, Dano, you look fantastic today. Whoever did your makeup this morning knocked it out of the park. So please pass on my warmest regards. With that being said, Dan, you know Indianapolis obviously the hotbed of the National Football League with you know, the AR and Danny Dimes situation and we're still believe ours, but people are starting to think that maybe after the agent of Anthony Richardson comes out and says I don't know what the hell this team's doing communicating with us this way and you know, that whole entire situation. What do you think of the Colts? Should we expect a sturdy four win season in Indianapolis? Should it be some higher hopes? Is this the end of AR in Indianapolis? Do you think the Colts should hang on to him? Maybe run this thing back next year with, I don't know, Carson once again after he goes to koc? What do you think about Indy?
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H
Could you imagine?
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C
I could.
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H
Indy. Indy's just like respectfully, just not that appealing to me right now.
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C
The football team, not the city.
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A
City's great.
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H
I love the city. Love city. Love the city. Yeah. The football team. Like I kind of, we, we know kind of what Daniel Jones is. He's gonna have some moments when he's good. Then you're like, hey, man, they've got really good perimeter players. So I just like, if Daniel Jones peaks, are they 10 and 7? You know, are they, are they 10 and 7 in the playoffs? And then. But you're not beating anybody that matters, right? You know, you're not beating anybody in the playoffs that you think are the Baltimores, the Buffaloes, the Kansas Cities, the Denver's, the Houstons. And so that's why I was one of the reasons why I was on board with Anthony. Anthony has to play like Anthony. I don't care if it's the Colts, I don't care if it's. I don't care who you are. Anthony Richardson has to find a way to get on the field. So if I'm in his agent, yeah, I want him out of. Indeed. Because I want him to go to a place that he's going to have a chance to play. And it doesn't seem like if you're Indy and you weren't going to give him the chance to play. And I'm not absolving Anthony from his role in some of this. He certainly has it, you know, going back to last year. But there's not a ton of like high end appeal for the football team right now, respectfully. And then also for Anthony, it's like, yeah, I think you're trying to find a new home or you're going to. And you're not all far from it right now. Like being in that Trey Lance world where you're just like, all right, am I going to get lucky to have a bunch of playing time in the preseason and try to prove myself as a backup and then hope get to get on the field somehow. But it doesn't seem like Indy believes in him.
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B
Well, that's the thing. Dan is like, you know, everyone says like, he needs to play. But if you look at the Colts, that was like the most intriguing quarterback, like, place where he actually had a legitimate opportunity to play. So if he's not going to be able to play here, like, you know, I mean, no team is. Is trading for him thinking, like, oh, this guy's going to get on the field and he's going to play for us. Right? Like, at this point, if. If Danny Dimes doesn't get hurt and he comes on and is unbelievable, like, he. He's going to be a backup quarterback somewhere, correct?
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H
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, totally. The situation tied to your point is probably best in Indy when it comes to the reality of getting on the field. I don't know what the behind the doors situation is, though. I don't know how much the trust is from the organization and coaches down to him and then him to them. And does he want to be there? Do they want him there? That's just me thoughts. I'm not making anything up here. So I just don't know if they and he believe, you know, separate starts are best for both parties.
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A
So I was thinking about the Carson Wentz situation Saturday when we found out that he visited there and you sort of knew, like, all right, hold on. Like, if Carson's visiting, who are they trading? And then. And like, what? So that's like, they trade Sam Howell, they signed Carson. And the first text I get was from one of the quarterback guys that I know, and it's like, do you think Carson could be this year's like, Sam Donald? And look, hopefully he doesn't play because that means JJ has been great and injury free.
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H
Right.
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A
If Carson does play, like, that's an amazing situation for him. And so, like, you know, he's done it, he's experienced, he's played at the highest levels. He's where he is now in his career, but could absolutely have like a career rebirth. Okay, fine. But like, when you go to Anthony Richardson, like, if a team like let's say the Vikings needed a backup, like, they're not trading for Anthony Richardson because they don't know for sure what they're going to get. So, like, these guys were saying, like, where's he going to play? Like, that's like, I don't know how this ends, but my guess is it ends with him getting another shot in a camp battle next year with some other team after they've. Everyone has kind of moved on and said, here's your fresh start. Go ahead. Thank you.
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H
Yeah, like, I sent out a tweet Kind of when it happened that I was at a Philly entertained trading forum, the Los Angeles Rams entertained trading form. So it's like again, you're in. Ty's comments are accurate. Is it's not a great like long term reality right now for Anthony that more than likely his future is at a place where he's just trying to find his footing in a backup situation that has the chance to become a starter if it's an older guy or injury. But that also means he's going more time without taking snaps, more time without getting snaps. Like, but also you never know. I remember being with the Houston Texans in 2008 when Matt Schaub was just starting a quarterback and one of the reasons why was like Shaub had missed like 16 games over the previous two seasons and I wanted to play and I was like, sweet, I'm going to go there so I can play. And then shot started like 50 straight games.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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H
You also like never know.
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A
So.
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H
Going back to the moment of drafting him, Indianapolis should have said we are all in on him playing all the time and we're not going to worry about winning and losing. We're just going to develop him and get him his reps or he's not going to play till his year. And they didn't either. And again, he's got his own hand in it as well, but that it wasn't the ideal kind of process of calendar for him.
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A
Yeah, well said. Great stuff, Dan. Appreciate you as always. I know you're getting ready to go. Let's see, we got a golf course, we got a kids game.
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C
Is that your house?
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A
Wow, your house looks amazing.
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H
Me and DeChambeau have the same house. This is ESPN's campus.
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D
Oh, ESPN campus.
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C
Come on. Whose campus?
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D
ESPN.
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A
Yeah. Oh, yeah. This looks right.
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D
We've never been.
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A
Reminds me back I was an intern there. You guys have never been.
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C
No, I've been once Connor's been.
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A
I spent spend the summer there. It was lovely. Oh really? Yeah, it's awesome. All right, Dan, thank you very much. Go hang. We'll talk to you. Appreciate you.
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C
Thank.
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A
I hate to say it, guys, that was not a very promising outlook from the Colts perspective.
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C
I mean, I hate.
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A
I mean right. Like that was.
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D
He was right. And it's been like that for like three years.
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A
I know, but like again, like when you talk about the. Like, I know it's not great but like when you talk these issues through, like that sounded way worse.
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D
The, the very, the very last thing he said is why? Because I've I've talked to a few Colts fans. Now why they're all very, very mad about the situation is because of what Dan said. You either draft him day one knowing and they said they know he needs to be developed and you let him play and no matter what happens, kind of like, you know, the Bills knew that Josh Allen needed develop and he basically played from day one and no matter what the record was, he played and he developed or you do what, you know, other teams do and you let him sit for three years and you don't play him at all and hope he develops that way. And they did. They did. They kind of tried to toe the line and it didn't, didn't work out age wise.
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C
At least you could kind of compare it to Drake May. Like when Drake came in, him and AR were basically the same as AR might have been a little younger, but they were basically around the same, you know. Yeah, age. But AR got hurt after five games and Drake may had his first start after five games. So like I, I understand maybe that they handled it wrong but like this has been chainstacking Chris Ballard from day one, baby. This is, there's no one else to blame. It is all Steichen and Ballard and it is basically strictly on them how it has been handled. When it comes to Shane Steichen, I feel like most people, or at least how I feel is unbelievable. Play caller. But what has happened the last four years has happened and like he's, he's the guy and maybe I think that because like Vrabel has come in and flipped it immediately and Steichen and Vrabel are two completely different people. I shouldn't compare them but like his culture, it felt like never settled at all.
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B
Well and the thing with Steichen too is like he was here and probably had somewhat of a say in which quarterback they drafted and they went with Anthony Richards. So if like it goes bad again, are you going to afford him another opportunity of okay, we're going to have another top five pick like now, let's see, like you got to develop this guy. We know the last one didn't work out well. Like, and typically, especially with, you know, Mr. Ursay passing away, like, I just feel like in the NFL like you're usually not afforded that opportunity twice.
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A
Yeah. And I think that's right. And look like a couple of things stand out to me and like, first of all, for them to decide that Anthony Richardson is not the guy, he had to definitely be not the guy. Correct. The GM and head coach are Invested and should want the guy they drafted to be the starter and owners.
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C
Right, Everybody.
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A
Right. And so it's like if he's not then either. Daniel Jones is about to have a career resurgence, which I like Daniel Jones a lot. We played a round of golf together. He shot 83. 3 at Westchester Country Club and made me look like a terrible golfer.
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C
That's D.J.
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A
He, I mean, he was hitting bombs.
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D
That's what he does.
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A
Literally.
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B
He's a big S. He'll be NFL quarterback.
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A
I mean, he's pretty good at golf. I mean, it's one of those things where he's like, yeah, I don't play a lot. And then goes and shoots 83 on like a world class golf course.
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B
Yeah, he's a good athlete.
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A
Cool, great.
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C
And that is why, like, I have faith in Dan Jones too though, and Steichen, because I. Because like, Steichen is a good play caller. He is. It's just everything else that comes with being a head coach. At least it appears it hasn't gone as well.
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A
I'm like, you were saying that before and I find myself getting a little frustrated because, like, I think Shane Steichen is a good head coach and I would like to see him have the opportunity. He's responsible for what's happened. I'm not saying that, but I would like to see him have a quarterback good enough to give him the opportunity to be a good head coach. And it's like, you know, I don't. Hopefully for them, Daniel Jones has a career resurgence and they're really good and like, you know, look like it's so like AJ like you're in the locker room, you got Anthony Richardson, who you've just seen the comments from his agent, who's kind of looking around and saying, like, we're not sure how the organization treated us. Like, is that weird? Like, are people like picking sides? Like, how does this play out, do you think, behind closed doors?
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E
Yeah, I mean, it's a good question. When it comes to court quarterback competition, there's definitely sides. Like, there's, there's receipt. Certain receivers want this guy, certain receivers want that guy. The O line wants certain guy usually. But I also, at the same time, there's a good chance that all the players do like and respect both quarterbacks, but some of them work out better for others. Whether this guy's in or that guy is. But what I mean, when agents start talking about the organization, all that stuff starts happening. I think guys are used to, like all the weird outside noise when it comes to the NFL. Like, before I got in the league, I used to always wonder that, like, how do these guys hold out a training camp and all this stuff? And they come back and their teammates are still okay with it? Like, are their coaches all pissed at them still? And then you get there and you realize, no, this is just how it is. Like, it's a. It's a professional thing, and you're not going to hold anything against the guy for how they handle a situation. But players will definitely hold a franchise accountable. And they will. They will remember exactly how they may have treated them, how they treated their family, their close buddies, or someone they feel like they screwed. And I'm not saying anyone got screwed over here, but when it comes to quarterbacks, like, if you're. You draft a guy in the first round and your quarterback doesn't. He doesn't become your franchise dude, it doesn't kill you like it used to. It used to really be tough with the salary cap and all the guaranteed money they got. Now with how the salaries are, you can still. It's easier, I guess, to recover and figure it out.
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C
And with quarterbacks bouncing around to your point, like, I mean, Dan Jones is here, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, like, it does happen a lot. Baker in Tampa, like, Tampa didn't have a, you know, future, if you will, when it comes to a quarterback. And then they just got Baker for the next 10 years. I don't. I know we don't have it, but to your point, AJ Quentin Nelson did an interview. We might be able to find it real quick, but it was basically them asking him about, you know, Danny Dimes and Anthony Richardson, and he doesn't have any animosity towards the players, and he might not even have any animosity towards the team itself, but, like, he's sick of it. He. He said in the, in his interview, like, I mean, this is seven years in a row now where I've had a different quarterback for basically my entire career since Andrew Luck retired. And like, I'm not saying Quentin Nelson's going to cause a fuss, but I'm.
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A
Assuming for him to speak out.
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C
Exactly. Doesn't speak at all. Doesn't really do any interview interviews. Never really hear him talk. But for the one time for him to speak, for it to be like, yeah, you know what? This sucks. Yeah, okay, sweet. We found it. Let's just. Okay, let's do it.
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D
I would say so. I think I'd be lying if I said it wasn't.
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B
You know, you look around the league and see just like the consistency of.
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C
Having a like Patrick Mahomes or like quarterback behind you that's like been the.
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B
Franchise player for years and years and years.
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D
And getting to build that chemistry with that quarterback year after year is something.
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C
That there is an advantage to when.
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A
It comes to o line play.
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B
So to answer your question, yeah, I.
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C
Would say yeah, it sucks. I haven't known a quarterback in seven years. They're all different and none of them like the same shit. It's, it's the worst is basically what he just said.
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A
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A
I mean and look, you know you got to go out and play a season and you got to try to win but like that's not a, like that's the kind of enduring message right now. Right? I mean isn't that like you know, like talking about how the plays in the locker room AJ like isn't that the locker room? Like that's that's must be figured out.
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E
Court now said, hey, figure it out. Like it's your guys job to figure out like you know, the roster development and how to bring people in and who to get rid of. Hey, figure it out. We need a quarterback. I've been here. It is true. Like the O lineman, they all like it's one big cohesive unit and they that quarterback is attached to the hip. Like they know exactly how those guys like to move, where they set protections, all of that stuff. The like the continuity is gigantic and that's what he was saying there.
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D
Well think about how like how important the quarterback position is in getting it right if you are drafting that high because the Commanders. It was on get up this morning. The sneaky, humble question of the day was which organization has the longest streak or had the longest streak of a different quarterback starting each year. And this, this will break a streak for the Commanders of eight straight years where they had a different quarterback starting game one, I believe the Colts will be at seven, I think, this year. But the Commanders pick number two overall, Jayden Daniels. He comes in now. We think they're potential super. Super bowl contenders every single year because they got it right. Yeah, the Colts did not get it right. And that's. This is how we're talking about them. So, like, getting the quarterback right in the first round is literally the most important possible thing in the NFL, even.
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C
For, like, the team. Like, I think that's what I. And obviously, if it's seven straight years, sure. Like, that. That could get old. But even just for the team, team itself, like, and I wonder what the psychology of it is for, you know, like, Quinton Nelson or the O line, like, when they're. If you have the choice to, you know, maybe shoot the. And hang out with Dan Jones or just go the hell home, it's like, well, you're not going to be here next year. Why. Why the hell would I kind of get to know you? Like, what's the point? You seriously. Like, I wonder how close he's actually been able to get with his quarterbacks because he's basically been the face of the Colts since he was drafted. I mean, not the face, but he's been one of the best players since he's been there. Yeah. And so you genuinely wonder, like, how close he feels he can actually get with some of the QBs. Just because it's been. It's been seven straight years. I mean, it's absurd.
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A
I mean. And this is why, like, like, you know, at. At the end of, like, I don't know how good the Colts are going to be, but let's say that we know. Not that good. Yeah, let's say not that good. Hopefully that's not the case because I like the guys there. But let's say they're not that good. Sure. When you get to, like, November and everyone's tired and they've lost a bunch of games and it's like, do I do that extra lift or do I work? Like, this is why seasons sometimes kind of spiral in a bad way like this. And so, like, if we are looking back on this and, you know, and if it's November and they're, like, really bad, I'm like, I get, I get it.
- [111:34]
B
I think the other, the other piece of it is like, you look at that division and it is so gettable like Houston has been. But, you know, it's like we're in a time right now where if you at least have like a little bit better than average quarterback play, like you are a contender to win the, you know, you, you're a contender to win the FC South. And so it's like you go year after year after year when you have these other great players and it's like, hey, you know, I mean, somehow we've managed to, to up the most important position in sports where your team can't go if you don't have a guy. And it's just like, you know, we look at Jacksonville like they're probably only going to get better if Trevor Lawrence can figure it out and all that kind of stuff. Cam Ward's young. They think he's the guy. You know, saw people on ESPN saying that they think Cam Ward's going to be the, you know, the best quarterback in that division by mid season and they're going to win the division. So like, people are talking about the Titans that way in some respects. And then obviously the Texans have had, you know, so much success as of late, but there really is no conversation about the Colts there in terms of like, hey, they could win the division.
- [112:35]
C
This year and they paid people to your point, like, it's not as if they have good players and they're on rookie deals. Like they've spent money on these guys and they have absolutely nothing to show for it.
- [112:45]
A
You guys mentioned the Commanders. I want to go back to one of the things that happened this weekend. Brian Robinson got traded.
- [112:50]
C
Oh yeah.
- [112:51]
A
Which you know, I would say for the Commanders is as a thing, like he was their starting running back for four years. Now that tweet right there, I will say I was in Nantucket with some friends and family. It was so hard to send that tweet.
- [113:05]
D
Why it?
- [113:06]
A
Because the service is so bad.
- [113:08]
C
No service.
- [113:09]
A
I was like punching my phone. I'm waiting for like ceviche, this like awesome seafood truck. And I knew that there was no service, but I'm like, all right, if I just hit, say, what are you doing?
- [113:19]
D
Go to Nantucket when you know it's this time of the year.
- [113:22]
A
R. These are not my decisions. These are not. And we had a great time drinking pineapple drink drinks and like hanging out with friends. Hanging on the beach was lovely.
- [113:30]
D
Also it was hard cuz you blacked out. You couldn't see your screen, but this was early.
- [113:34]
A
This was early. It was like 11 o' clock or 12 o' clock drinks, and I couldn't. It just wouldn't go. And I had to call Pelro and be like, what? What? Like, I'll pull this, Tom.
- [113:47]
C
I'll blow this right now.
- [113:48]
A
Anyway, the whole thing was ridiculous. But so Brian Robinson goes from the Commander ers to the 49ers. They have a starting running back, but everyone, it seems, is successful as a running back. I mean, look for fantasy if people have him in keeper leagues or if, like, I feel like this is the absolute biggest win for Brian Robinson you could ever have.
- [114:09]
B
Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, I think you're. You're praying that you get a full year of Christian McCaffrey, but at this point, like, there's just a very good chance that he's going to miss a couple games and you also don't need him, you know, taking as many touches or carries as he has in years past coming off the injury that he had. So, yeah, I mean, shit, what was it last year? 3. Three different guys rushing for over 100 yards. It seemed like in, you know, different games for the Niners. So it certainly does seem like anyone they get and put back there has the ability to. To have a, you know, a very solid day anytime they play.
- [114:43]
C
Yeah, those short yardages, like, he's a much different running back than Christian McCaffrey. Like, if anything, you can just think of it like, hey, if we have, you know, five to 10 short yardage plays per game, that's five to 10 massive shots that Christian McCaffrey doesn't have to take anymore, you know, and, you know, of course they're important plays, but Brian Robinson, you said it. He's. You started for four years. He's really. He's a really good running back.
- [115:06]
D
And as the Internet pointed out, him and Ricky Pierce, all. They have a lot to talk about there. You have a lot to bond over. And now the NERS lead the league in that category.
- [115:13]
C
Yeah. Great time to be a Niners fan. Yeah, they get.
- [115:17]
A
They're going to all come out to.
- [115:18]
C
With many, many, many, many.
- [115:20]
A
Yeah.
- [115:21]
C
Your favorite. I don't know.
- [115:22]
A
I mean, it's a great song.
- [115:23]
D
Do the Niners still do the boombox since Debo's gone?
- [115:25]
B
That's a good question.
- [115:26]
C
Oo do the.
- [115:28]
A
Do the commanders. Do the commanders do the boom box?
- [115:30]
D
It's going to be an interesting. That we need to draft.
- [115:32]
A
Does that guy. So I saw like, who's the guy who came out with Shador.
- [115:38]
C
Yeah, it was a corner.
- [115:39]
A
They played it out with the size.
- [115:41]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [115:42]
D
I can't remember.
- [115:42]
A
Does that guy, like. He got cut.
- [115:45]
D
Oh, really?
- [115:45]
A
Yes. Who walks out with Shador now? Who walks out.
- [115:48]
C
So Shador is not getting cut.
- [115:49]
A
Shador's not getting cut. Are the Browns keeping four quarterbacks as a conversation? I think.
- [115:55]
D
Interesting.
- [115:56]
A
We probably should. We probably should have.
- [115:58]
D
Okay.
- [115:58]
A
Coming up. Not in this network.
- [116:00]
D
No.
- [116:00]
A
But we're going to continue on. On YouTube and. And some other places and get right into it. That was our show. Thank you, everyone, for hanging out with us. Goodbye. Nailed it.
- [116:10]
C
See, now that.
- [116:11]
B
That's a pro's pro right there, brother.
- [116:12]
C
That's what we're talking about. Yeah.
- [116:14]
B
Well done.
- [116:14]
A
What I really need is for people who don't know, I have the countdown on my ear. I spend most of my life with a countdown in my ear doing, like, the insiders, whatever. And so, like, that I can roll with. When it's just out in the ether. The floating football. That's one. You know, I just.
- [116:30]
D
Yeah, it's understandable.
- [116:31]
C
It's tough, you know, it's not.
- [116:32]
A
It's not.
- [116:32]
C
It's not the norm for you. I think that's probably why, you know, you gotta adapt a little bit to survive over here.
- [116:40]
D
He's 100.
- [116:41]
A
Adaptable.
- [116:41]
B
He's right.
- [116:42]
A
He's 100.
- [116:42]
D
Right. Adapt.
- [116:43]
A
Adapt or die.
- [116:44]
D
Thrive or survive.
- [116:46]
B
Thrive to survive.
- [116:47]
D
Yeah.
- [116:48]
C
Maybe drive.
- [116:49]
B
So, yes.
- [116:51]
C
Is.
- [116:52]
D
Did they trade Brian Robinson Jr. Because they love Austin Eckler? Or is he gonna be starting back? Or is it gonna be Bill Kroski?
- [117:00]
C
Sick Bill.
- [117:01]
B
Gotta be Wild Bill.
- [117:02]
D
It's gonna be Wild Bill Kraski.
- [117:04]
A
I mean, his story is so crazy. I did some Internet sleuthing. I also called his agent to be like, I. I. Like a week ago, I was literally like, who's this guy's agent? And a young agent I had not heard of. I'm like, I don't know your point. Can you, like, explain him to me? And he's like, well, obviously you've read. And I'm like, have I Have I read? Have not. And so, like, he barely played his last year in college. It was eligibility issues regarding whether or not he was on the field for his first team that he played for. So, like, gets drafted late, hasn't played a lot of football recently. And they were like, this guy's like, I swear he's good. I'm like, cool. Everyone says their client's good. This guy actually is good. And so like there is a real chance that the commander starting running back is a player who played one game in college last year and bounced around and like just that's going to be it. Like it's. And like meanwhile Brian Robinson who started three years for them gets traded for a six round pick. Yeah, right. I mean that's just like NFL's wild.
- [118:06]
B
That's Bill Crosby merit football.
- [118:07]
C
Yeah, it's being a running back now. You know, it's a tough, that's a tough, tough business.
- [118:12]
A
The other thing that happened this weekend, we talked about one of the quarterback trades. Talked about Sam Howell going from the Vikings to the Philadelphia Eagles. The Las Vegas Raiders now may need to make a quarterback trade themselves. I know this because of my sources. And also Pete Carroll literally came out and said it. Aiden o' Connell gets injured, fractures his wrist out six to eight weeks, so he'll begin the season on ir. And they now need to go trade for a quarterback. They now need to go find someone who can back up Geno Smith and you know, someone who can be secure. They want someone with experience. We have talked about some of the teams that might keep four quarterbacks. Like the Browns have come out and been like, yeah, we're planning to keep four. I think the Giants have a chance to keep four as well. Surely one of them, surely the Raiders call one of them, right? I mean, doesn't this like, is it.
- [119:05]
D
Like because is it obviously off of those. You would think it's probably Jameis or Kenny based on the tea leaves in that situation. And I asked you earlier, I talked about it earlier. Maybe Skyler Thompson from the Steelers because he's played really well, he started a playoff game in the past. I seem assume it's someone of that ilk.
- [119:25]
C
Who is Geno's backup? Pete Crows last year in Seattle.
- [119:28]
D
Drew Locke.
- [119:29]
A
Yes. No, it wasn't Pete Carroll's last year. So I think Drew Locke, I think Pete Carroll didn't have Drew Locke. Right. Because there was a year in between.
- [119:39]
C
I forget. But would Drew Locke not be one of those?
- [119:41]
A
So that was my thought. And then they drafted Jalen Milroe. So it's like if you're going to draft a quarterback in the third round, might he be your backup? I just, you know, the real problem with this and like I love trades and this is why this time of year is wacky. But like, yes, the Seahawks could get something I think probably pretty real for Drew Lock, like a, a legitimate five or six, something like that. But then God forbid, Sam Donald gets hurt and it's like, do you trust. I'm not saying you don't, but, like, do you trust Jalen Milroe?
- [120:09]
D
A lot of on his plate.
- [120:11]
C
Is he gonna have packages right away, do you know? I think so, yeah. They're planning on using them.
- [120:16]
B
But do you also trust. I can't even remember who we were just talking about.
- [120:21]
C
Sam Darnold.
- [120:22]
B
Yeah.
- [120:22]
A
No.
- [120:23]
C
Oh, Drew Lock. Yeah.
- [120:24]
B
Drew Lock. I forgot his name.
- [120:25]
A
I mean, do you trust is.
- [120:26]
B
If Sam Darnold gets hurt, is Drew Lock going to come? And it's like, all right, we're good. No, nothing changes. We're a playoff team Still. Like, I don't think that's really.
- [120:34]
C
Maybe.
- [120:34]
B
Yeah, Milro. You never know. Is Ryan Tanny Hill still on the scrap heap somewhere? Is he in play at all?
- [120:40]
A
You know, I don't. I mean, I don't think so. Like, if, you know, he's been out a year now. Look, if someone's going to pay him 10 million bucks, my guess is he'd probably consider. I think for 10 million bucks, you'd probably consider a lot of things. Whoa. But nothing weird.
- [120:52]
E
Like what?
- [120:53]
A
I mean, nothing strained.
- [120:57]
B
Don't get yourself into trouble.
- [121:00]
E
Earbuffs.
- [121:00]
C
Now.
- [121:03]
A
Jude. Jude perked up. He's like, what? What? Headphones off.
- [121:06]
D
He's probably just looking at teams. What about the Lions? Are they looking for a backup quarterback? Because right now I know they're not exactly, I don't think, thrilled with 10 and hooker and then who else?
- [121:14]
A
Kyle Allen played pretty good, so. The backup quarterback world is so weird. It's so strange. Kyle Allen has bounced around so much, played the Steelers last year, played so well this preseason.
- [121:25]
D
Okay, so they do like they like.
- [121:27]
A
Okay, Hendon Hooker. I mean, when a. Who was it that came out and said Hendon Hooker might need a fresh start? Was it the GM or the head coach?
- [121:35]
C
MC Dacy said it.
- [121:37]
A
He did it. Okay, so it's like, that's not good.
- [121:39]
C
But writing's on the wall.
- [121:41]
E
What does that mean?
- [121:42]
C
Why.
- [121:42]
E
Why would he say that?
- [121:44]
A
He just hasn't gotten any better at all.
- [121:46]
C
Just giving him a heads up.
- [121:47]
A
Like, Kyle Allen outplayed him big time this preseason.
- [121:50]
D
Are guys interested in our teams interested in Trey Lance? Because he's the third string on that team as well, right?
- [121:54]
A
Is he the third string? I wondered about that.
- [121:56]
C
Oh, Eason.
- [121:57]
A
I want. I really wonder.
- [121:58]
D
Jakob's not there anymore.
- [121:59]
A
No, it's. No, it's. It's Heineken.
- [122:02]
C
What happened to East? In sick.
- [122:03]
D
He's in Atlanta.
- [122:05]
B
They cut his Ass.
- [122:07]
A
This is, this is what I do this time of year, by the way, where I'm like, this team is like, I go to these training camps and I don't, you know, I went to.
- [122:14]
D
It was Heinecke. Yeah, they're back. Well, maybe.
- [122:17]
A
But no, I, I. And I actually wonder if Heinecke would be the kind of guy that the Raiders would trade for. But then in the division, are they really going to do that?
- [122:24]
B
What about the Nooch?
- [122:27]
D
Danouch was drinking a Just got covered.
- [122:29]
A
I love it so much.
- [122:30]
B
Ice cold beer.
- [122:31]
C
Look cold.
- [122:32]
A
Yeah, I was so I was in the airport with Jude yesterday, waiting to come here, and we stopped by the Delta Lounge. Shout out, Delta Lounge. And he sees he had an ice cold beer.
- [122:41]
B
First one.
- [122:43]
C
Yeah, right.
- [122:44]
A
First one he had the kid version, which is a chocolate chip cookie. And so it's like three o'.
- [122:51]
C
Clock.
- [122:51]
A
And he had a big old chocolate chip cookie. And I'm like, Jude, one of life's good lessons. Like when you're in the airport, time doesn't matter. You could do whatever you want. You can have a beer, you can have a cookie. Like it's three o'.
- [123:02]
C
Clock. You have 15 beers.
- [123:03]
A
Watch your dad as many.
- [123:06]
C
Take notes, son.
- [123:07]
A
Like watching Denucci have a beer. And I'm like, you know what, dude? Have your beer.
- [123:11]
C
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [123:12]
A
You drink like in the airport and you can do whatever.
- [123:15]
C
That's like a universal thing too. I'm glad you said that because the no time in the airport is real. I don't even think when you walk in, they, they should take it off your phone so you can just do whatever the hell you want. Because when you are in the airport, it's the worst place on the planet.
- [123:29]
A
I mean, it's not. I don't even, I've been in, so I don't even think it's the worst. It's just not real life.
- [123:34]
C
Yeah. It just sucks.
- [123:36]
A
Like it just. So why would I not have. It's 10 o'.
- [123:38]
C
Clock. Like, I'm having eight beers.
- [123:41]
A
I mean, you know, for those of us, you know, it's like some people here will fly around on private planes. Like that's a little different airport experience. Those of us who are on the commercial flights, you know, I'll still have.
- [123:53]
B
Three beer, four beer before I get.
- [123:54]
C
On a commercial flight. Without a doubt.
- [123:56]
A
Yeah.
- [123:57]
B
And usually not beer. Usually, you know, little cocktail. Three, three, four double. Yeah, three cocktail, four cocktail. Double them up. I mean, nothing wrong with that.
- [124:06]
C
Much better.
- [124:07]
A
No judgment.
- [124:07]
D
Six to eight.
- [124:08]
A
No judgment at all.
- [124:09]
C
Yeah, I mean, if I'm going to the airport, I'm getting drunk. That's the bottom line.
- [124:15]
D
Air Force for drinking.
- [124:16]
A
I mean, that's like. When I do my training camp tour, I'm like, all right, like, let's see. I got no rental car. Got an Uber back.
- [124:23]
C
I get.
- [124:23]
A
I got an 8 o' clock flight. Not to say that, but might I have, like one or two on the flight?
- [124:29]
C
Yeah, I kind of scouted out. Like, all right, I'm gonna get hammered in Jacksonville.
- [124:34]
A
I'm just saying I want to make sure that anything that happens is safe.
- [124:39]
B
Of course.
- [124:39]
C
It's smart.
- [124:41]
A
So, yes. We're talking about the quarterbacks. Talk about the teams that might or might not keep four. Where do you guys stand on. First of all, it's pretty.
- [124:51]
E
Why would you keep four, though?
- [124:52]
D
That's a great.
- [124:53]
E
Each spot is so valuable. Why are you keeping four? You think rap.
- [124:56]
C
Especially with the emergency QB rule now, it doesn't make sense to keep more than three because you can have two in the.
- [125:03]
A
I'm sorry to interrupt.
- [125:04]
D
What?
- [125:05]
A
Jude just texted me from his watch. He doesn't have a phone, but he's got to watch. Are you saying I can have beer at the airport?
- [125:12]
C
Boom.
- [125:12]
D
That's a kid.
- [125:13]
B
No, Jude, push him on. Push him on it. See where you get.
- [125:16]
C
Hey, by the way, dude, you're about 10 years away where it doesn't even fucking matter what your dad says, so don't forget that.
- [125:23]
A
I would say no cursing. Oh, there he is right there. Dude, wave. Wave to the people.
- [125:27]
B
The dude.
- [125:28]
A
I would say no cursing, but he just went to sleepaway camp for seven weeks, so he's probably heard all.
- [125:31]
B
A lot of potty.
- [125:32]
C
He's heard and seen more than you know. We can teach them that sleepwalk. Hey, that's bivouac, baby.
- [125:40]
A
So here's the answer, AJ is you keep four because it has value to you, right? So, like, let's say the Browns keep four, and let's say Kenny Pickett stays on the team. First quarterback injury that happens in the NFL this year. Browns are getting the call. And so it's like, if the prices. I'm just making the up if the price of fifth rounder now, like, if I'm the. I don't even want to put a team's name into the ether saying they're. But it's like, if it's a playoff contender team and you lose your starting quarterback and Kenny Pickett is available and he might keep your season afloat. Like, what's that Worth to you?
- [126:16]
E
Like, yeah, that makes sense.
- [126:17]
C
That's a good point.
- [126:18]
A
Whatever. Like, I'll pay if I'm like some good team who has the only chance of being good is to trade for Kenny Pickett, which you should have a better backup quarterback situation that. But maybe you don't. It's worth everything. I'll give you anything you want. That's why I think, you know, it's.
- [126:33]
E
Got to be right or why else? Why else? That's very valuable. Like each, each active spot on game day is very, very valuable for so a team. I don't know, you got to feel pretty decent about the rest of your team if you're going to do that.
- [126:44]
B
But he's the only one that they would do that because. Because no team is trading for Shador or Dylan Gabriel. Probably.
- [126:50]
A
I actually don't know know if they would trade Dylan Gabriel. Like, he kind of looked good. I know he's small, but he kind of looked good. Like, what if he's good?
- [127:00]
B
Sure, but. But that's what I'm saying though is then your only bargaining trip is like, hey, have you met Kenny Pickett? He's the current bell of the ball. It's going to take two first round picks to get like, cuz no one else.
- [127:10]
C
You know why they ban the slide?
- [127:11]
B
Yeah.
- [127:11]
C
In college football, guys, a Ken Pickett.
- [127:14]
D
He was a first round pick.
- [127:15]
A
It's true. Or like, you know, the other one would be Jamis. And I think that's interesting, but it's like he's a little more of a wild card. And if, you know, if you, if you trade for Jameis, you're getting all of it.
- [127:26]
D
Hell yeah.
- [127:27]
C
What do you mean by that?
- [127:28]
A
It's a lot.
- [127:29]
D
Him and Jackson look like they love each other too.
- [127:31]
A
Yeah.
- [127:32]
D
Maybe they trade Russ before the season starts.
- [127:35]
C
I mean, what week would you say Jackson Dart starts?
- [127:38]
D
Is that real?
- [127:38]
E
AJ I read it somewhere.
- [127:42]
A
That sounds real to me. What week would I say Jackson Dart starts? This is a great question. These are the things that I think about when I'm like doing my nerd out football stuff. Let's say, let's just go down this rabbit hole. Okay. Let's say the Giants are better than people think they're going to be. And in it, let's say they're four, six by November. Is that right? Four and six by November. Okay. Whenever that is. And Russ has played. Okay. But like has had moments like last year at the beginning and then moments like last year at the end where as you guys know, like, it Was not.
- [128:16]
D
It was a cliff. He fell off.
- [128:17]
A
He fell off. Right. And so they're four and six. They're in it, and they're playing okay, and the offensive line's still together. Do you put Jackson Dart in and say, okay, like, go. And either he leads him to the playoffs or he just plays and gets. And then next year, he's your guy. Like, that's. That's my guess, barring injury. And, like, if you're a Giants fan and, like, for A.J. like, for. You know, you're a player, you want your season to have meaning, you want to make sure you're alive. Like, doesn't that give you a little bounce if a rookie quarterback comes in in, like, the middle of November, you know?
- [128:50]
E
Yeah, I think it's. That's the way to go. Yeah. Put Russ in. Let's. Let's hope we don't need to put our backup in, our young guy like Jackson Dart. Let's hope we can play as long as we can, and Russ has a great year, and here we go. But, yeah, knowing. I think the 4 and 6 thing, that's kind of. That makes sense because it can kind of give the team that boost and that jump that you possibly could. Instead of. You're gonna go one way or the other at 4 and 6, it's either gonna be really terrible or, hey, let's make a run at this.
- [129:13]
D
Not the easiest first.
- [129:15]
C
Yeah. They got a cup.
- [129:17]
A
Is this a schedule right here? I mean, that is like, Jesus. I mean, New Orleans. Okay, but like, Philly twice, Denver, San Fran. Like, I mean, that's.
- [129:28]
C
I mean, that first four weeks, I mean, that's just.
- [129:30]
A
Come on, like, that's tough.
- [129:33]
C
Not.
- [129:33]
B
They don't have a buy until week 14, either.
- [129:35]
D
The NFL, baby.
- [129:36]
A
I know, but, like, that seems like particularly, like, two and two in those.
- [129:41]
E
First four, and that's a win, though.
- [129:42]
B
Yeah.
- [129:42]
D
You're feeling real good.
- [129:43]
C
Yeah.
- [129:43]
A
I think.
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C
Then you put them in damn near.
- [129:45]
A
I mean, it's like, you know, I assume Micah's playing for Dallas week two, but, like, would I bet my life on it? Probably not. Like, probably not a bad time to see them. I don't know.
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D
Weeks six through nine, at least. Those are those very tough defenses to.
- [129:59]
C
Start with for your rookies, I mean. Yeah, one. Yeah, true. Good point.
- [130:03]
A
Right. That's. The other thing is, like, do you. Like, I don't think Jackson Dart was going to start anyway, but, like, don't you protect, like, Russ?
- [130:10]
D
You try to.
- [130:10]
A
Russ has been through it, so, like, he'll be okay, but like, you'd like to protect him a little bit. It's like you guys were talking about the Richardson situation. Like, you're right. That was like a mishmash of. Of like. But if you're going to protect Jackson Dart and like, make sure that his development isn't stunted, like, you got to really do it. You got to be like, until you're ready to go, we will just deal with every fan wanting you to play all the time.
- [130:34]
C
Yeah, that's never going to stop until he does play, unfortunately.
- [130:37]
B
Do you buy too though that Dable, they need to show that, like, he is going to be the guy of the future and that like, he's had development in order for him to keep his job? Yeah, I mean, I feel like that started as like, he's coaching for his job and I feel like now maybe it's just with all the. The positive pub around the Giants in the preseason that that's kind of tapered off a little bit. But what do you think about that?
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A
I think there is something there. It's definitely not nothing. Like, it's like, there has been a lot of positive buzz in the preseason, but like, I'm. I know we talked about this last week some, but I'm so curious to see when the game starts, how much of the preseason storylines are we going to be like, why are we talking about that?
- [131:16]
C
Like, how much of them?
- [131:18]
B
Yeah, like every.
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E
Every year. Every year?
- [131:20]
A
Yeah, you know, like, maybe the Bengals defense is good, maybe the jets offense is good.
- [131:25]
C
Slow down. Like, maybe on both of those. But no, you know what I mean though. Like, I do, I do. But every year the preseason is mostly bullshit. But then situations like Bill Crosby, Merrick come out and then. Yeah, you know, then all of a sudden this kid is. Is a star. Like, that's my favorite part. When we were talking about the Panthers and Adam Thielen, and granted this is a very specific player and I have been pounding the drum for him.
- [131:49]
A
Go ahead.
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C
But when we were talking about Thielen, it's like this dude, Jalen Coker that they have who's going into his second year at the end of Carolina's year last year, he was their number one receiver. And it's probably because Leguette was their rookie last year that Coker didn't get love as a rookie receiver, but he's a rookie really good. And there are random players like that that you find through the preseason that like, you root for. But when it comes to storylines, like, I typically think 100% of them are complete horseshit. Aside from Micah contracts, all that stuff. Because that does actually linger into the regular season. But yeah, like if. If Shedur Sanders or Dylan Gabriel comes out of my mouth during the regular season and they're not playing, shoot me. Because it shouldn't. They. They legitimately aren't storylines when, you know, if Flacco's playing. No one should be talking about the Browns quarterback situation unless Flacco is playing terribly, which we know that won't happen.
- [132:41]
A
Obviously that's not going to happen.
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C
Footsteps, baby.
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A
No, I think that's a good point. That's why it's funny like the, the, you know. Your question. Arlovsky was a good one about like the, you know, the Internet chatter of the. Why does Stevansky hate Shador? Like I actually, I'm sure I should be annoyed by it, but I'm not. I'm more like entertained by it because it's. It's about the most like to think that a head coach would sabotage.
- [133:08]
C
Yeah.
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A
A team's quarterback for like whatever. Stefanski would love if Chador was good. It's praying for him. If they. If the Browns end right. Like everything the Browns have done is to set themselves up to draft a quarterback next year. They have an extra first round pick. They'd love the Jaguars to be God awful terrible and they are ready to draft a quarterback if they don't have to. It is a free first rounder and they're all good for 10 years. So like, do you think Stefanski cares whether it's Shador or Gabriel or who? Anybody, anybody, any starting quarterback will do. And so like the, the Internet chatter of like sabotaging your own player is so insane and amazing. I can't believe we're talking about it. But like that's what we do on a Saturday in the preseason.
- [133:55]
D
That's where we're at.
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A
And maybe that's why. I mean, maybe everybody started drinking early.
- [133:59]
B
College football started.
- [134:02]
A
I was not aware of that by the way you guys talked about this in the pre show. Did you guys watch it all or.
- [134:06]
C
No, it was a good game.
- [134:08]
D
Week zero started.
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A
What did we learn? Did we learn anything?
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C
Football's back.
- [134:12]
E
I was state's legit. They got balls on them.
- [134:14]
A
They.
- [134:14]
E
They go for it on fourth down.
- [134:15]
D
They did. Here it is right here. To basically or no, sorry. This was Rocco back running it in.
- [134:20]
A
Yep.
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D
To take the 2414 lead. Rock, go back.
- [134:24]
E
Can we figure the field out overseas, please? Can we can figure the grass out once over.
- [134:28]
B
McQuade was sodding it big time.
- [134:30]
A
Was it awful? Was it like.
- [134:31]
E
Well, the line, it was rainy obviously. But look at. It's always, it always looks like mush.
- [134:36]
D
You couldn't see the lines like. And there was a controversial spot on, on K State, one of their drives, but yo. K State answered and then this, this was the, the fourth and three. They went for it where if they did not get it.
- [134:47]
E
What a call.
- [134:48]
B
He is good.
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A
Was he not short there?
- [134:50]
C
He was, he was, he was.
- [134:51]
D
And they just, they just kneeled it out from here.
- [134:53]
A
Okay.
- [134:54]
D
But no, Rocco Beck looked great. You know, there's still some questions about the K State at the quarterback position and you know, and his family and if they're getting along and stuff like that.
- [135:02]
B
But news flash, they're not.
- [135:03]
C
Yeah, those questions.
- [135:06]
B
Quarterback's dad and his brother beat the out of each other the parking lot after the game. They're very embarrassed.
- [135:11]
A
Had to field or you guys serious?
- [135:14]
C
Very real.
- [135:15]
A
This is what I missed this weekend. I really had no freaking Internet.
- [135:18]
D
But this one, this was nice because, you know, you're not fighting some random fan.
- [135:22]
B
You're.
- [135:22]
D
You're in Ireland fighting your family, which I believe is one of their pastimes.
- [135:26]
C
Right? Yeah, that is actually right passage.
- [135:29]
A
So what happened? So this video gets released online.
- [135:31]
C
Is that Avery Johnson's dad right after the game is like, oh, breaking. Avery Johnson's dad fights a fan who's talking shit to him about Kansas State, blah, blah, blah. Like an hour later that same video get gets released and it's like breaking. Actually, Avery Johnson wasn't fighting a fan. He was fighting his oldest son. And then some other things came out about Avery Johnson that a lot of people did not know, including myself. But yeah, that video took over there. There was a good, you know, three hour period on Saturday where if you opened your phone, you were at one part of the saga, whether you were just seeing it, whether you found out that they were brother in or sorry, father and son, or whether you were getting the release joint statement from the two about how they can't be doing that.
- [136:18]
A
So football was all the way back. So how does it work? So they, they, they fight allegedly. Oh, it's not allegedly, right. And then somebody's like, all right, like, I know you guys just tried to like punch each other, but let's sit in the same room and come up with a statement together.
- [136:32]
D
Probably, you know, I mean, I mean, listen, if you've, you've had.
- [136:35]
C
Well, how do. Yeah, how did.
- [136:35]
D
We fought my father because I ran away and he didn't catch me. But, you know, you fight your brother and you said, like, you just. I mean, your family, you hug it out and then you put out the joint statement. I mean.
- [136:45]
C
Yeah. What did you and Schultze do? Well, he beat the fuck out of you.
- [136:48]
D
Did you guys put out a joint statement?
- [136:49]
B
Rap pooped his pants and had to go change his diaper.
- [136:52]
A
Did not put out a joint statement.
- [136:54]
C
Okay.
- [136:55]
A
I did release a statement to the Washington Post when they asked me about WaPo, that stuff.
- [137:00]
C
What did you say?
- [137:01]
A
That was a long statement.
- [137:02]
C
I regret to inform box Starbucks Duncan for life.
- [137:10]
A
I have since had some Starbucks coffee. They still do a nice job.
- [137:13]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
- [137:14]
D
They do a good job. But no, it was a great day. It started with that Kansas absolutely routed in that game. And then it ended down in Hawaii. Stanford went to Hawaii and Hawaii won on a. On a field goal kick from a kicker who learned how to kick on YouTube. I believe he's from Japan.
- [137:30]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [137:31]
A
Is this why people were texting me about a YouTube kicker?
- [137:34]
D
Yeah, this is Hawaii's kicker.
- [137:35]
A
I thought I was, like, missing an NFL tryout guy, he, like, saw football.
- [137:39]
D
Somewhere and then was like, oh, I'm gonna go. Yeah, learn how to kick. And. And he kicked the game winner to beat Sanford on Saturday to end what a beautiful day.
- [137:47]
A
Do you guys know we have some college football breaking news?
- [137:49]
C
Great kid. No.
- [137:50]
A
Would you like to hear some breaking news?
- [137:52]
D
Yeah.
- [137:52]
E
Yep.
- [137:53]
A
This show. Is it okay to say it? All right. This show will be live from Columbus on Friday.
- [138:02]
D
It is breaking.
- [138:08]
A
And I'm going to be guest. No, I'm not going to be guest hosting.
- [138:11]
C
Oh, you're not a college football guy.
- [138:12]
A
I'm not a college football.
- [138:13]
D
What's going on in Columbus? Do you even know?
- [138:15]
A
Yeah, obviously it's a.
- [138:16]
C
Who's playing?
- [138:17]
A
Huge football.
- [138:18]
C
Who's playing. Yeah, who's playing.
- [138:19]
A
Hold on, hold on. I know this one.
- [138:21]
C
You can pull this one.
- [138:22]
B
Can I trick question.
- [138:24]
A
It's Ohio State is playing, right?
- [138:26]
D
Yeah.
- [138:26]
C
Yes.
- [138:26]
D
That would be a good.
- [138:27]
C
That's a good start.
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A
Are they playing Texas? Let's go.
- [138:30]
B
You know it.
- [138:31]
C
You know, you could pull that one.
- [138:32]
A
It's pack gonna be here.
- [138:33]
D
I don't know.
- [138:34]
C
Honestly, not sure.
- [138:35]
B
Yeah.
- [138:36]
A
You guys really not know?
- [138:36]
C
No, really do not know.
- [138:38]
A
I mean, I.
- [138:39]
C
My assumption is Saturday.
- [138:41]
A
That makes more sense.
- [138:42]
C
Like. But I don't know about Friday.
- [138:45]
A
I have not. I've not talked to him. Of course, I have not texted him either, but he hasn't texted me either, so.
- [138:50]
D
Sure, that makes sense.
- [138:52]
C
Pump though, should be great.
- [138:53]
A
Yeah, those. I imagine that atmosphere, doing the show in that atmosphere is probably awesome.
- [138:58]
D
Really fun.
- [138:59]
C
Depends. Ohio State is over. When it comes to the Friday shows, usually it's rainy or because it's Ohio State, they don't really care because they have cool shit like this all the time. But like I will never for the rest of my life forget James Madison. Like JMU.
- [139:17]
B
Seriously, there were like 15, 000 people. It was there. Yeah.
- [139:20]
A
This was on the Friday, right?
- [139:21]
C
This is on the Friday. Yeah.
- [139:22]
D
They don't get before there a lot.
- [139:24]
C
No, they never get game day. So like when schools like that have it, it's much better. Ohio State, they've grown a little too comfortable when it comes to their success.
- [139:32]
D
Look at us, we won the national champions.
- [139:34]
C
Yeah. So they're. Oh, it's Friday. Well, we play on Saturday.
- [139:38]
A
So this is like when I always appreciate college game day. Doing like a. Like, not that James Madison's random school, but it's kind of like a.
- [139:47]
C
Sure.
- [139:47]
A
I mean a place that you would not otherwise go because like it is electric.
- [139:52]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [139:53]
A
You know, and like even if it's like cold or rainy. And I'm like.
- [139:57]
C
Well, when we went, Signetti was the coach. Yeah. So it was before Signetti went to iu.
- [140:02]
D
Signetti.
- [140:03]
C
Yeah. So when.
- [140:04]
A
This is how he became like a thing.
- [140:05]
C
This is. Yeah. So he went from jmu. Unbelievable. And he goes from JMU to iu.
- [140:10]
A
Okay.
- [140:11]
C
And that last year at JMU was when they had game day. So we like met Signetti there and then. Full circle. Yeah.
- [140:17]
B
And the first thing he said was like, who hates the NCAA and all the kids. Yeah. That's awesome.
- [140:24]
C
Yeah.
- [140:24]
A
Fantastic. Yeah.
- [140:26]
B
He knows how to work across the maestro.
- [140:29]
A
I will be. I'll be watching you guys. Well, maybe, Hopefully. Hopefully. Hopefully I'll be not working. I mean, that's what, you know, it's crazy. Is like cut down day is tomorrow. Do you guys know this?
- [140:40]
D
Oh yeah.
- [140:40]
C
Four o'.
- [140:41]
A
Clock. You'll be seeing a lot of tweets. A lot of players will be released.
- [140:45]
E
Any big high profile ones you think could happen?
- [140:48]
A
You know, I think there'll be a couple trades. Like I mentioned one last night. Kyle Duggar, who has been the Patriots starting. It's not like high, high profile, but like Kyle Duggar had been the starting Patriots starting saved for five seasons. He could get traded then they've been shopping him. There's a tweet right there that no doubt's going to get Mike Vrabel to.
- [141:05]
C
Yell at the fucking rat.
- [141:08]
A
Although I don't think there's any secret there, but, like, there'll be a couple of those. But I actually feel like a lot of the trades have probably happened already because, like, it's not that much to haggle over. You know, it's like, if you want Sam Howell, like, all right, you want to do like, a six? No, it's too much. All right, how about a six, and then we'll do a pick swap seven. Like, cool. You know, it's like, you could generally figure it out. You want a guy in your building earlier rather than later. So, like, there'll be a couple. But I think most of them have probably happened. You know, it's. It's weird, though, because, like, Tuesday will happen. We'll all talk about the players who will get cut. A lot of them will, like, make a big deal over some player getting cut or traded. Then, like, we'll never hear from again. And then you get to Wednesday and you're like, okay, like the season's.
- [141:55]
D
Yeah.
- [141:56]
A
Like, it's like, we're almost there.
- [141:57]
C
Eight days away.
- [141:58]
A
Like, it's really, like. And so there's some. You know, there's some things during the pre. That drive me crazy to no end. One is the storyline stuff we're talking about before. Like, the. The stuff that should never see the light of day. But does unofficial depth charts, like, those. Hate them.
- [142:14]
B
Like, those a lot.
- [142:15]
A
Hate them. Nothing more I hate than the unofficial depth chart. What's that? Who puts them together? I don't know.
- [142:20]
D
Not the coaches.
- [142:21]
A
Why is it not official? Is it official or not?
- [142:23]
C
It's stupid. Yeah.
- [142:24]
A
And some people tweet all about them.
- [142:26]
D
Yeah.
- [142:26]
E
Should they have to give an official.
- [142:29]
A
Yes.
- [142:29]
E
Too deep to you guys? You think they should? Why?
- [142:31]
A
When I was covering Alabama.
- [142:33]
C
See how AJ Feels.
- [142:35]
A
AJ These are.
- [142:36]
E
I don't think it's any of our business.
- [142:38]
A
Do you really? Not even now, when I used to.
- [142:41]
E
Hear about, like, the. The depth chart. And they're talking about. They're putting guys like 1A, 1B or whatever, trying not to offend people. And all of a sudden, a team's got out of 11 starting spots on defense, they have 19 possible starters because they don't hurt anybody's feelings. Like, that's the stuff I don't understand.
- [142:57]
A
You don't. You're not a big or guy. You don't like the.
- [143:00]
E
Or. No. And I also think, like, hey, why. Why does a coach need to give us their.
- [143:05]
A
Their.
- [143:05]
E
Too deep? I don't do it to give Them. Should they give us their game plan, too? Like, I don't know.
- [143:09]
C
Sounds like Someone was ranked 1B.
- [143:12]
A
I don't.
- [143:13]
E
That's a bit. I don't know. Like, it's wild to me. Like, I think I Remember hearing Mike McCarthy answer questions about him. Like, yeah, like, I was pissed for him again. He didn't have to. He doesn't know right now. Like, why does he have to give it to you?
- [143:23]
A
I mean, I don't think you're wrong about that. Like, I'm okay with not getting the depth chart.
- [143:28]
B
I just don't, like, sound like you're pr.
- [143:30]
C
You want stupid.
- [143:32]
A
I want the real info. I don't want, like, the PR department. And some of them are awesome. But, like, PR department puts together the depth chart and people tweet it, like, me as if it's a real thing. And then the coaches are like, stupid, depth chart. I don't care about. Like, when I covered Alabama, I covered Alabama for three years for the Birmingham News. And the unveiling of the depth chart was like, a legitimate number news item. And Saban would, like, wave in front of our faces and be like, I know this is the moment, you idiots. He didn't say idiots, but, like, would literally be like, I know you guys have been waiting for this. So here's the depth charts. You could make a big deal of it in the paper. You do a whole thing, and then he would. And we would make a huge deal of it in the paper. That was a big. But at least, like, you knew it was kind of real.
- [144:14]
C
That's college. Like, in four years in college, like, that's. That's one thing. Like, you might have a freshman or a sophomore coming, especially with their recruiting classes.
- [144:22]
B
It's like, oh, how many of these five star kids are going to be starting this year?
- [144:25]
A
And I think that's what it was. Is like, the fans would be dying for, like, his, like, who is, like, a good recruit. Is like, Mark Ingram going to be the starter or is like, Dante Hightower? Like, that was kind of. When, you know, and. And that was a huge deal too, because, like, you know, watching them kind of build it up from scratch was really, really cool. But it also, like, gave you an understanding for, like. Like those new guys, like the High Towers and Ingrams and all the guys that came in from Saban, like, they played right away and were awesome. And that was like a. So you could see why young me would want the depth chart.
- [144:56]
C
Want to know? Yeah, the NFL. I would. I don't get but the. The college makes it.
- [145:00]
A
Yeah, there's that, and then there's like, a guy gets injured, and you're kind of like, all right, like, is he going to play week one or not? If he is, cool. If not, like, we'll talk about. Coaches don't want. You know, it's like, anyway.
- [145:11]
C
They don't want to reveal the information, and all you want to do is suck it out of them.
- [145:14]
A
That's right.
- [145:16]
D
That's true.
- [145:16]
A
That's why the Mike Vrabels of the world just want to get the rats out of. They want to put me out of business.
- [145:19]
C
Exactly. And. And I'm going to support Variable in doing that. I think we all are.
- [145:24]
A
All right. I think we have. I think we have reached the end here, boys.
- [145:27]
D
I think so, too.
- [145:28]
A
We have crushed it today.
- [145:29]
C
Great job these last two weeks.
- [145:32]
A
You guys are awesome. Thank you for having me.
- [145:34]
B
Always a pleasure.
- [145:35]
A
I have enjoyed hanging out with you guys. Guys, as always, thank you very much for welcoming my sons into your building.
- [145:40]
B
You're the dude.
- [145:41]
C
And Max.
- [145:42]
A
And Max.
- [145:43]
B
Max.
- [145:45]
A
Max appreciated very much how he. So when we were in, everyone was asking about the show, and he was like, Pat McAfee has the most random stuff he's just talked about, and he just loved the random stuff. So thank you for showing your random stuff to my children. Thank you for having me.
- [146:01]
B
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
- [146:02]
A
I love you guys. Not weird. Not in a weird way. All right. That's all I got. I love you guys. I'll be. I'll be back another time. A better host will be in here tomorrow. That is all for the Pat McAfee Show. Oh, yeah. We got 1, 2, 3. Team, right.
- [146:16]
B
Team on me. Team on three.
- [146:17]
A
Team on me. Team on 3. 1, 2, 3.
- [146:20]
C
Team.
- [146:21]
A
Nailed it. Bye.
- [146:24]
C
Talk about stepping up.
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H
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You've seen the headlines, heard the debates.
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B
The three point ball has created a monotonous rhythm to the game.
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A
And others.
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D
Has the three pointer ruined basketball? And how did we get here?
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B
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D
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C
I decided I wanted to have one of the most organized goodbyes in history.
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D
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