PMS 2.0 1409 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, Derwin James, WVU Head Coach Rich Rodriguez, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0 #1409 – BA Day with Bruce Arians, Derwin James, Rich Rodriguez & More

Date: September 16, 2025
Host: Pat McAfee
Co-Hosts & Guests: AJ Hawk, Darius Butler, Toxic Table (Boston Connor, Ty Schmidt), Bruce Arians, Derwin James, Rich Rodriguez, Tone Digs

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This lively BA Day edition of The Pat McAfee Show dives deep into the major storylines from the NFL's recent action, spotlights the inspiring journeys of several teams and players, and takes detours into college football, gambling insights, and signature PMAS humor. Special guests Bruce Arians (Super Bowl champion coach), Derwin James (Chargers DB), and WVU head coach Rich Rodriguez join for insightful breakdowns and banter, while the panel debates MVP frontrunners, football culture changes, and the business of both pro and college ball.

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MAIN THEMES & PURPOSE

• Deconstructing major NFL matchups, especially Bucs vs. Texans and Chargers victories.
• Examining Baker Mayfield’s emotional story arc in Tampa Bay.
• Celebrating the Chargers’ defensive evolution under Jim Harbaugh and Derwin James’ leadership.
• Candid interviews highlighting coaching philosophies and locker room culture.
• College football chaos, the impact of NIL and transfers, and funding in the new era.
• Laughter and authenticity from football lifers, with old-school stories, modern hot takes, and signature Pat McAfee Show antics.

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SEGMENT & GUEST BREAKDOWN

0:00–5:38 | Show Open & Setting the Table

• Pat, Connor, and Ty riff on football’s magic, shoe sponsorships, and the good luck rituals of sportswear and gear.
• Banter over sneaker brands spins into jokes about fashion superstitions and Indianapolis becoming a shoe hotbed.
• The day promises deeper looks at the previous night’s NFL thrillers and a preview of big guest conversations: Bruce Arians, Derwin James, and more.

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5:39–16:59 | Bruce Arians on Football Grit & Baker Mayfield

Guest: Bruce Arians (BA)

• BA reflects on the Bucs' gutsy win versus Houston, focusing on adversity (O-line injuries) and Baker Mayfield’s leadership.
  • “Baker just willed his team to win this game.” (05:38)
  • Praises OC Josh Grizzard for sticking to the run and credits Mayfield for elevating coaches: “Baker might have turned their careers around.” (06:17)
• Darius Butler breaks down the Bucs’ game-winning two-minute drill, focusing on Mayfield’s clutch scramble on 4th and 10 and decision-making under pressure.
• Discussion of “No Mas” strategies—letting the opponent score for a comeback chance, referencing Roberto Duran's infamous boxing surrender (08:23).
• Arians, on Baker's legacy shift: “He's the franchise. Mr. Glazier’s already said: he is the face of the franchise. Will be for a long time. Tampa loves him…” (40:03)
• Arians weighs in on teams peaking early, injuries, the importance of divisional games: “September games come back, bite you in the ass.” (33:47)

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17:00–26:58 | Chargers Ascending: Defense, Harbaugh & Herbert

• Praise for the Chargers’ defensive culture under Jim Harbaugh—physicality, communication, and player development.
  • “This Chargers defense… they're always on the same page. Everything was tough for the Raiders.” (11:12)
• Justin Herbert’s rise is likened to a “Yin to his Yang” with Harbaugh; Arians lauds Herbert’s balanced play and maturity: “He’s got all the size, he’s got every measurable, and he’s got the great mind.” (13:10)
• Panel jokes about lean times for Chargers fans, LA stadium woes, and a history of heartbreak; hope is now firmly restored.

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26:59–32:07 | Derwin James: Heartbeat of the Chargers

Guest: Derwin James

• Derwin describes the new culture: “Definitely one of the best coaches we had... Coach Harbaugh, Coach Mentor, just setting that standard.” (19:44)
• Talks about the “Silver Bells Club”—an exclusive dumbbell club in their state-of-the-art facility. (24:22)
• On defensive philosophy: “The standard is the standard. Whoever’s out there, they’re gonna make plays.” (21:43)
• Highlights of Brazil trip and team bonding abroad.
• Jim Harbaugh’s unique, real-life storytelling approach to leading the locker room: “He’s one of a kind… he’s giving you real-life advice, real-life situation.” (28:37)
• Panel basks in Derwin’s leadership, versatility on defense, and impact on team culture.

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32:08–46:08 | NFL Week 2 Trends, Injuries & Gambling Insights

• Hot takes on scheduling: early divisional matchups compared to prior years, increased importance, and injury implications.
• Rundown of key injuries to QBs (Burrow, J.J. McCarthy, Jaden Daniels, Brock Purdy, Justin Fields) and how it reflects today’s more mobile, risk-taking QB play.
• AJ Hawk and crew marvel at how Baker Mayfield shrugs off knee blows: “He comes up immediately calling a play. That’s what I love about the kid.” (39:27, Arians)
• Segment on gambling trends: Overs finally hit, sportsbooks still generally win, but the Chargers' strong ATS record is highlighted.
• College football “vibe teams” discussed, with buzz around Miami, Oregon, Utah, Vandy, Florida State, Oklahoma, and the struggles of Texas and Arch Manning.

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46:09–64:30 | College Football Deep Dive & Rodriguez Joins

• Tone's “Five College Football Takeaways” spotlights teams with momentum, schedule strength, and teams to watch like Cal with Songa Politelli at QB.
• Open discussion on NIL’s new transfer-wave era, programs like Cal becoming “feeder systems,” and the implications for championship windows and program retention.
• Mountaineers' big win in the Backyard Brawl, upcoming schedules, and conversation about West Virginia/Big 12 future.
• Guest Rich Rodriguez (WVU HC) joins, reflecting with humor and humility on emotional win, program pride, use of the “heavy” (fat) package, and culture-setting.
  • “Football is a game of big people moving other big people against their will.” (99:03, Rodriguez)
  • “I tell our guys, sometimes you gotta tell ‘em why you’re getting on their ass a little bit…” (112:54)

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64:31–85:35 | Fan Culture, Coaches, and Modern College Football

• Ongoing, candid reflections on the identity of college football: tradition vs. innovation.
• Open chat: Clemson’s future, NIL impact, changing transfer market, and why the NCAA’s power is fading fast.
  • “NCAA is basically toast… These conferences are taking over football.” (128:03, Arians)
• Panel jokes about regional biases, the rise of free agency windows in CFB, and how college is on the brink of being a true year-round major sport.

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85:36–101:04 | NFL Burning Questions: BS or No BS With BA

Signature Segment - "BS or No BS With Bruce Arians"

• Baker Mayfield in the MVP conversation: “Oh, that's no BS… what he's doing is amazing. He's gotta be in the conversation right now… That Bucs team is, I think, for real.” (73:17)
• JJ McCarthy’s injury time “good” for him: “Oh, that's total BS. He's too young. He needs reps now. He is a dog, but he better learn to slide quick.” (80:36)
• Chiefs are dead, Chargers division now: “Total BS. This coaching staff's way too good... Patrick Mahomes is too good...If Patrick Mahomes continues to be the leading rusher, they got problems.” (85:57)
• Steel Curtain (Steelers defense) is like ‘soft pillows’: “That was the hardest watch for me on Sunday... Seattle just ran it down their throat at home—it just doesn’t happen.” (89:21)
• Each statement opens a debate, with BA’s coaching anecdotes and player insights illustrating the bigger themes of success, adversity, and toughness.

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101:05–118:00 | Rich Rodriguez Interview: WVU’s Identity & The Hard Edge

• Coach Rodriguez opens up about the significance of the Backyard Brawl win, culture-building, and the unique demands of flipping a roster and a culture.
• Emphasizes needing “fat” (heavy) personnel for power football, shares stories of team bonding, balancing discipline and free time in the NIL era.
• “Coach ‘em harder ‘cause they’re getting paid… You got more to lose now if you're not maximizing your abilities.” (112:54)
• The show celebrates WVU’s return to identity—toughness, physicality, and family driven leadership.

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118:01–144:44 | College Playoff Debate & Football as a Global Product

• Animated debate: Notre Dame's playoff path, playoff expansion, and the future role of conference commissioners.
• The show riffs on college football atmospheres, traditions, and why styles of play (SEC speed vs. Big Ten weather) will shape the playoff in unexpected ways.
• Tom Brady’s dual roles as owner and future broadcaster spark debate about potential conflicts of interest; Arians and the crew agree no team will give away secrets in “production meetings,” but concerns persist about competitive fairness.
• “Being at Friday practice, that's totally different than a production meeting.” (155:01, Arians)

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144:45–160:56 | Tom Brady, Flag Football, and The NFL’s Next Frontiers

• Tom Brady’s involvement with the Raiders, TV, and now a Saudi-backed flag football superfest is dissected for both its absurdity and potential.
• “Tommy doesn’t do anything half-assed—he’s 100% hands on.” (148:01, Arians)
• Panel jokes about “Mississippi” counting for flag football, international game expansion, and the mechanics of elite athletes like Brady and Gronk entering new promotional ventures.
• All agree: Money talks, and football's global appeal is just starting to take off in full.

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QUOTE HIGHLIGHTS

• Arians on Mayfield:
  • “He is the franchise. Mr. Glazier’s already said: he is the face of the franchise. Will be for a long time. Tampa loves him…” (40:03)
• Derwin James on Chargers DC Jesse Minter:
  • “Coach Mentor...does a great job moving me around every week—not just moving around where I ain't doing my job, but moving me around where I could do it at a high level.” (20:22)
• Rich Rodriguez on culture:
  • “Football is a game of big people moving other big people against their will...” (99:03)
  • “You better know what the hell you’re doing but you also better have a whole lot of help to get you there if that makes sense.” (112:01)

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NOTABLE MOMENTS AND HUMOR

• Extended shoe banter and sports gear superstition at the open.
• “Fat package” offense described by Rodriguez: “If I could find one of those fat guys that could actually carry the ball, I’ll have 10 guys in there.” (99:38)
• BA’s hard stance: “September games come back, bite you in the ass.” (33:47)
• Tom Brady headset-gate and speculation around his dual roles.
• Pat's impromptu college football playoff debates—Notre Dame, conference strength, and playoff “Truthers” culture.

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STRUCTURED TIMESTAMPS

• 00:00–05:38: Show open, apparel superstitions, football joy.
• 05:39–16:59: Bruce Arians on Bucs, Baker, coaching.
• 17:00–26:58: Chargers rise, Jim Harbaugh, Herbert’s maturity.
• 26:59–32:07: Derwin James interview—defense culture, LA facilities.
• 32:08–46:08: NFL early-season trends, injuries, gambling.
• 46:09–64:30: College football chaos, NIL, funding, Rodriguez joins.
• 64:31–85:35: Panel debates playoff, conference power, football's identity.
• 85:36–101:04: “BS or No BS with BA”—Hot Takes with humor.
• 101:05–118:00: Rich Rodriguez: WVU, culture, the “heavy” (fat) package.
• 118:01–144:44: Playoff debate, regional football, NCAA’s fading power.
• 144:45–160:56: Tom Brady ownership/media dilemma, Flag Football in Saudi Arabia, NFL global future.

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FINAL THOUGHTS

This episode is a vibrant tapestry of gridiron analysis, player/coach storytelling, and cultural commentary—seasoned with McAfee and friends’ trademark energy and wit. Listeners get current football insights, timeless lessons (“the standard is the standard”), and a reminder: “Team on me, team on three.”

Transcript

[A]

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this BA Day, September 16, 2025. This program begins now.

[B]

Football.

[A]

It is magical. We're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about it every single day. A lot of football conversation after the two piece last night that saw the Bucks beat the Texans. Congratulations to the Buccaneers down there in Tampa Bay. Also thought the Texans had it. And then Baker Mayfield starts cooking in the kitchen and all of a sudden Baker Bake touchdown maker does just that and they steal a dub. Congratulations to them on the road. And also road team Chargers go into Las Vegas get a massive win. We got Derwin James joining us fresh off the massive dub here in about 15 minutes or so. And potentially the touchdown maker down there in Tampa Bay if we can get a hold. Nonetheless, we will chit chat about the greatness from last night that went late into the evening and also all the storylines now that come out of this past weekend of ball. We're just at the beginning of the season, but we're already starting to rule some teams out, aren't we?

[C]

Yeah, that's right.

[A]

We're already starting to crown some teams, aren't we? And maybe we're starting to learn about some teams. Like maybe this Chargers team's for real. Yeah. And maybe this Buccaneers team has something a little bit inside of that chest that they got there that might be able to propel them to some magical seasons and moments once again down there in the beautiful Tampa Bay city. We are incredibly lucky today. It's not just the talks table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Back to back days with the jacket. How do we feel about it? Ty Schmidt?

[C]

You know, I probably wouldn't have but listen, I love the nor'.

[B]

Easter.

[C]

You know, if I know Connor, he's going to wear this probably every day for the next month. So we might as well just get used to it.

[A]

It. Okay, so this is just you right now.

[B]

Oh, look, I, I'm. I'm not going to change the recipe up. I know that Patriots won. I had my Nike rivalries jersey on. Do I want the Patriots keep winning? Yeah. So the, the right now the sample sizes NFL Nike's rivalry gear. Not that poopy company, the Nike one. That gear.

[A]

Not talking about Adidas once again.

[B]

I love Adidas.

[A]

I got or Puma or Puma about Puma. Shout out to the h avatars. The H1 opals. Opals, the avatar. These are very comfortable. They make me look taller. I'm a little bit more athletic. Feel Pretty sprying.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Like a jungle cat. Like a Puma. You know what I mean? I would like to say Puma's paid me $0. Would certainly wear other company shoes on a regular basis. With that being said, the Holly ones are awesome.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm glad.

[A]

Shoes. Yeah, Halle's got shoes. Don't look now. Indianapolis about to become the shoe epicenter of the world. These are nice.

[B]

They are.

[A]

These are nice. Pat, would you ever wear Pumas? People would ask. Sure. Maybe a week ago.

[D]

Sure.

[A]

See? Absolutely not. What are we talking about? Puma. I don't think so.

[B]

What do I look?

[A]

That's what I would have said.

[C]

I get that.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. That's what I would have said. What an ignorant statement that would have been. Cuz I had no idea. Boom. These are coming into the world. Look how cool they look. They're really like Pandora and Avatar. So shout out to look at this guy too. Look at him, man. At the Halle Mart there's a lot of Halle things. Yeah, people put a lot of things at the end of that.

[C]

They do love it.

[A]

Some three letter ones, not great, not great. But all the other ones halliballing the Hallow man with an M. You know there's a lot of things that happen now. We got to Halle ones we will support and they do feel great and they are cool looking. With that being said, this jacket just can't be every single day. I don't think this if for the whole season. What if you guys are good all the way through the Super Bowl?

[B]

That'd be wonderful. But don't worry, there's other gear. And to your point though, Adidas. Yeah, we got some ideas for it. We got some Ididas if you will.

[A]

I mean think about that shout off their, you know like Run dmc. We would. We love those. A lot of ideas.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of, you know, those.

[A]

Lines are pretty thick.

[B]

Why don't we sleek them out? You know everything, everything's sleek these days.

[A]

Why don't we make the lines a little thinner?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

We don't have to stick with that one either. I'm sure you're pretty, pretty committed to the stripes.

[B]

We change the company locally.

[A]

We are open to ideas. Multiple Adidas is spending a lot of money with a lot of football and a lot of sports right now. And we'd like to say to Adidas, thank you. Good brain, great brand. That's nine year NFL event. He speaks the truth. Great bread also hey, we, we don't mind. Hows either.

[E]

Don't mind those.

[A]

The old PS, old pal.

[E]

They are 0 and 1 right now in the Thunderdome. You know, me and Con man couldn't get it done against you boys yesterday, but they felt great. We felt great. And what we know about H is it's not over until it's over. So one game, we're down zero one. The series felt great.

[A]

You guys lost very bad yesterday in your house.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. You felt. You felt great in them.

[E]

I felt good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, you know, more like op Ol, if you will.

[A]

Yeah, for you guys. Not for us, though. Foxy and I weren't wearing them at the time, but we certainly got hot. That's what the Opals do. They brought us great vibes because he's a point guard, you know, so he's spreading the love everywhere else. They're beautiful shoes. D Buck, great to see you. And a man who's joining us with another sick hangle hat. A man who always looks cooler than anybody else in the room that he is in 47 years he spent coaching ball 27 in the NFL. Super bowl champion, ladies and gentlemen, multiple time Bruce. Coach. Big night last night, obviously for your Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I know you've coached in a lot of places. Tampa Bay currently home and your last stop. And one of super boys, their head coach, this Baker Mayfield guy. Special. It feels like the Buccaneers might be bottling something down there. What were your thoughts after watching the game and how do you feel about the boys down there in Buccaneers?

[D]

Yeah, I thought it was a hell of a game. Especially Baker just willed his team to win this game. You know, when you look around the league, you lose both tackles. You got a center playing left tackle. Now you got your backup playing right tackle. And you just win a ballgame running the ball. Great job by Josh Grizzard. I thought Cullen plays and sticking to the run and then Baker does what he does. That's why he's a head coachmaker.

[A]

Okay. He is the head coach maker. Liam Cohen gets a head coaching job after working with Baker Mayfield. David Canales gets a head coaching job after working with Baker Mayfield. And obviously both those guys were credited with turning around Baker Mayfield's career. But maybe Baker. We're just seeing what Baker is here.

[D]

I think Baker might have turned their careers around.

[A]

Okay, that's fellow coach, obviously, Bruce Arians, who understands if you have good players, you can be a damn good coach. All of a sudden. Baker Mayfield has been special. Let's go to the two minute drive last night. D. Butts, you're talking about everything that is Baker Mayfield kind of encapsulated in one moment. And it was a game winning moment for the entire Buccaneers.

[E]

Yeah, BA talked about it willing his team to a victory. It's now back to back week where Baker Mayfield has played his best football. Down the stretch we get to the two minute drive start. Let's start here in the fourth and ten. Texans sent pressure up the middle. He scrambles and he was already banged up at this point in the game. The scrambles picked up a big huge first down to keep it going and keep that clock ticking right here. Not really in a big rush, but getting it done. Not burning timeouts. Out route, out route to K it to the right side of the field. He gets out of bounds, heads up play, then dump it off to Bucky Irving. This is when you have talented backs. You get the ball in their hands, let them do something special in space. Big time play, protecting the ball as well. And now you get up right outside of that red area, then you know who he's looking for down here. 13 had a tough matchup against Stingley most of the night. Found some space, got a little dump off, and once again, inside 30 seconds, still didn't call a timeout. We got 14 seconds here. Boom. Quick little out route here to K dot and he gets out of bounds. And now you're getting up to the ball with two timeouts left. Nine seconds. You probably get what, two, three plays here, be able to run.

[D]

Oh, definitely.

[E]

They hand it off to white and he gets it in, runs it down, get that touchdown. So big time drive, complimentary football. I don't know on the defensive side of the ball if they let Chubb score, if that was a no, my situation, but he did score. And then Baker got the ball and played his best ball.

[A]

Here's that Chub play you're referring to. Where the bucks are up 14, 13. Know that a field goal takes the lead for the other team or a touchdown. A lot of people that are connected with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Bruce Arians included, a lot of people connected with defensive football are saying it looked a little bit too easy for Chubb. There was this potentially a no Moss situation for Tampa Bay, knowing that the field goal would take the lead and that could possibly drain out the rest of the clock. And Tampa Bay, down one late in the fourth, would never get the ball back. That is a situation where you would call no Moss, definitely.

[D]

And I can't swear to it, but it sure looked like it.

[A]

No Moss means we're not trying. We'll let the other team score a touchdown. So we get the ball back in. An opportunity to drive down the field and do exactly what they just did. That would be executing that perfectly if that was what the call was.

[E]

It would be. That would be smart. Something we. You don't do it too too often. It's probably something that happened maybe once or twice in my career. I forget which boxer kind of made it popular and that's the. That's why we use the term no mas. But you get the ball to your quarterback, to your big time quarterback and he drives once again back to back weeks. He did the same thing against the Falcons. Didn't start off great. And this Texas you mentioned, we had a center. You said playing left tackle.

[A]

Daniel Hunter's over there.

[E]

Yeah, you got Daniel Hunter, you got Will Anderson. I think he had 8 or 9 pressure. So this is a tough, tough defense. So for you to get in a situation where you know it's going to be. It's going to be a must passing situation in a two minute drive and for Baker to get the ball down there using his legs, doing that fourth and 10, that was huge. So a big time ball from Baker, the touchdown maker.

[A]

Roberto Duran versus Sugar Ray Leonard the second. I guess that is called the no Moss fight is professional boxing match on November 25, 1980 where Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Roberto Duran by TKO in the eighth round. Regained the WSU after a tactical boxing match where Leonard used his superior movement and skills to outbox the aggressive Duran. Duran quit in the eighth round, famously uttering no mas. This shocking turn of events tarnished Duran's reputation while Leonard's victory was a triumphant return to form. Hell yeah. Congratulations to Sugar Rage. Just I'll ask him. That was Homer Simpson too, wasn't he?

[C]

Yeah, I believe so.

[A]

That was Homer Simpson's entire entire thing. Like we're just gonna wear him out here. Let him go ahead and tire himself out. Don't Moss. Don't Moss. If they called that in that moment week two, that'd be very heads up football insane. And also the guy selling it running. Yeah, that would be. There would be a lot to that if they called it.

[E]

Yeah, Big, big if.

[A]

But it worked out well then let's go to the second game, obviously. Second game, late night, 10pm start after a thriller. Okay. Emotional high there after the Baker Mayfield drive with Tampa Buccaneers. Holy hell. Did you bet the Texans? Yeah. Did you lose right there? Yeah. In the final 10 seconds? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All that Happens and then you're kind of. And then. Oh, yeah, I forgot. Now we got Justin Herbert and his Chargers team. That might be. Might be for real here in Harbaugh second year and almost having the culture kind of plugged in place. And Justin Herbert last year. Are we seeing the best Justin Herbert of all time this year? Sure feels like it here. Two weeks in and he's doing Hollywood. He's going famous lady.

[C]

Yeah, he does.

[A]

I mean, Justin Herbert's fully blossoming into everything that everybody thought in the best possible ways as the face of this new team in this new city. He is dominant. Has been and seems like will be for this entire season. And then Harbaugh's entire culture kind of settled in, especially on the defensive side. It felt like D Buzz.

[E]

Yeah, he came over from after he won that national championship in Michigan. Michigan kept his defensive coordinator, Jesse, mentor. And since he since coming over, we went out to LA and talked to him. He's like, I don't know how long I'm going to have this guy. He'll probably be a head coach soon. And you look at this Chargers defense, not a lot of household names.

[A]

That's first play.

[E]

Yep. Outside. Yeah. Geno, he was in hell all night long, but not a lot of household names. You got Khalil Mack, you got Derwin James. Outside of that, not a lot of guys that just casual fans would know, but they're always on the same page. And it looked like everything was tough for the Raiders every time. He never got comfortable in the pocket. Geno, he was looking for check downs early. And anytime somebody touched the ball, it was just a bunch of white jerseys flying around, getting people down. 15, I believe, over 15. Pass defense. Pass passes defended. However you want to say it. This team did three takeaways. And Derwin James, you saw one of them up the middle. He batted the ball down. I can't wait to talk to him because he's kind of a chess piece that you can move all around the field. He can rush the passer, he can cover tight ends. You had a Brock Bowers. He was matched up with him a ton last night. He just does everything for that defense. Kind of the heartbeat of him. John Harbaugh said a lot about him. Just he kind of speaks about him the way he speaks about his quarterback, Justin Herbert. So just a great team, a great culture to have right now in la.

[A]

Coach Harbaugh loves physical football. I think he loves the fact that they have a great defense. But let's talk about Justin Herbert. Coach Ba now he tall, fast, handsome, humble, loves ball. I've told the story before. When we went out to Oregon for college game day, I got a chance to meet his dad, and his dad was telling a story about how much him and his brothers loved ball. They actually had to tape uprights onto the wall in the living room because they would play tackle football in the living room and they would want to kick the extra point. So now Justin Herbert, you see tape from training camps where he's kicking field goals. I guess he just loves. He can punt, too. He can kick. Loves ball. Like, since he was a kid obsessed with the sport, he's seemingly coming into his own with a coach that seems to be the perfect yen to his yin. Do you agree with that?

[D]

Oh, totally.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

When they put that running game with him and John, you know, Jim Harbaugh and the running game, that's. That's hand in hand, you know, and. But now he's got everything. He's got Keenan Allen back, he's got the young receiver from T.C. johnson doing a great job catching everything this year, protecting him. I've always loved him coming out. He's got all the size, he's got every measurable possible, and he's got the great mind that goes with it.

[A]

How come it, you know, it felt like for the first, how many years here of his career?

[D]

Four.

[A]

Yeah, I guess four years of his career. Everybody said, herbert's good, Herbert's good, but they never really won anything. Is that just strictly because everybody with their eyes knew he could be a guy if he was given the right opportunity? Yeah.

[D]

And you're not gonna win in too many games, throwing it 50 times a game, you know, now they got great balance. They got that hardball toughness about them. And I think this Charger team's for real.

[A]

Yeah, I think we all think that, especially here after the first two weeks. And, boy, good for that. Chargers faithful, those fans are very loyal.

[E]

Love my squad, man.

[A]

They love their teams.

[E]

Love my squad, man. Boat up, baby. Boat up.

[B]

My squad.

[E]

Hell, yeah. We've been through it, man. We've been waiting, and here we are.

[A]

You guys have been through it. City change.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You guys were in an MLS stadium for a while, right? Remember, people were saying to your team, you guys are an away game at home games because your fans don't show up and your fans hate your team. It was obviously the LA Rams win the super bowl in Los Angeles, the same city you're trying to go in. It's like, man, those are hard days. Had a Couple coaches make some bad, bad, real critical moments bad.

[D]

I just CBS and went did a game of StubHub against the Niners. It was all red.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Oh yeah, it was bad days.

[D]

First of all, we're pulling up the StubHub for, for an NFL game. I'm like, where the hell are we?

[A]

Bad days, brother.

[E]

Everything he's saying bad days there though. Jesus. He's been.

[B]

You don't go back to San Diego. D. Bud, don't do that. You started in LA and you actually.

[E]

You know what? I was born abroad. I was born in Germany. The first city that I lived in was actually San Diego.

[A]

Of course, finally Dee has come home to Southern California. So, yeah, the Chargers faithful, which you have been one over the last few years, you picked them to go to the Super Bowl a few years back. That's because you had so much faith and I think in hope in Justin Herbert to play. From everything that he just mentioned there now the team around him seems like it's a thing.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, it's the best kicker.

[A]

That ever start 100 kicks. First hundred kicks in the NFL. Best there's ever been. I thought Brandon Aubrey had to be the greatest. And then literally that night they're like, nah, actually this guy's the best there's ever been. 94 out of 100 or something like that. It's insane. All facets of their game strong, all of them seemingly tough and all of them humble. It's a crazy. And they got a brand new practice facility. It's like they're doing it right out there. It's got to feel good to be a Chargers fan.

[E]

You talked about that facility. We always say it starts from the top down. Winning starts from the top down. From the organizational level, they're obviously investing in the team, giving them all the things they want. And then that culture, you have a guy like Jim Harbaugh come in and then to be able to adjust because a lot of people expect. And you talked about it, you know, and I'm sure they will get back to more of the running game with Greg Roman, but it's been more of an open offense. They let Justin Herbert doing a little more, Johnson stepping up, being big in the passing game. Lab McConkey, he'll. He'll continue to bend the dog. And then Keenan Allen coming back and still getting it done. And then that offensive line, Joe, that draft pick. I think we'll look back at this draft pick and he'll be one of the probably all time greats at tackle position. And you're seeing the best come out of Justin Herbert. Not only the fantastic throws and the big top 300 yard games, but now putting your team in position to win games. Had a little fumble there late. Got a little ugly with Max Crosby wreaking habit in the backfield. But closing out games and actually getting wins has been big for them.

[A]

Max Crosby is incredible to watch. You can put the Raiders on primetime anytime. Strictly so we can watch their defense more specifically. Yeah, Max Crosby. Speaking of defense, last night the Chargers defense was a big storyline. Three turnovers obviously is huge. But also if they are just going to play that way, forget Justin Herbert. They can win games themselves, it feels like on the defensive side. And there's a dude who's a monster on that side of the ball. Con man.

[B]

Yeah. Ridiculous. Derwin James. I mean, it's very similar to the packers and Michael Parsons. Like the packers fired the ball. We talked about it. They were on primetime. It's just like what the Chargers do. And it starts with Derwin James last night. Third down, and he's covering Brock Bowers right before this play. Now he's rushing the passer on the left guard. Basically exhausted. He covered Brock bowers. He's run 60 yards down the field. And now he's chasing Geno Smith after a big smelly old lineman had his paws all over him, obviously incomplete. That's the game. You know, once the Chargers get the ball back, they get a couple first downs. But Derwin James running all over the place, gets it done. He goes to the sideline and he's in hell. Okay, he's down on the ground and then he pops up, huge smile. And then they cut to Geno Smith and Geno Smith is in space. He's basically in the worst mood he's ever been. He threw 364 against New England last week. Everyone's talking about real Hoopers and Geno. And then he runs into Derwin James and Jesse Mint in that defense. And Geno and the Raiders are going to be great. But the Chargers defense, it is ridiculous what they do. And he never came off the fields. Like, it feels like sometimes you go to the box score and you're expecting, you know, 12 tackles. And when you only see seven from Derwin James, you're like, oh, maybe he didn't have a good game. But then you see plays like that. Then you see the.

[A]

Oh, he's playing D tackle.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He's playing outside. He's playing outside rusher. He's also in the middle of the Field on the play, dbut just showed, deflecting a pass to get intercepted. He would have had another interception in the red zone on Geno, but his defensive lineman deflected the ball after he uncut the rod. It was just incredible to watch him work like.

[A]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the inaugural members of the all everything DB team.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Ladies and gentlemen, from Florida State, an absolute stallion last night, all over the field, literally and figuratively, playing D tackle Derwin James. Hey, I know you just had to listen to Connor say all that, but I'm happy you got a chance to do that. That's how we feel watching you play ball, man, it feels like whenever Harbaugh gets there and Mentor gets there as the dc and the way Coach Harbaugh spoke about you being one of the pillars of the team immediately upon arrival, does it feel like a perfect culture for you to be in? And does it feel like the best culture you guys have had over there in a long time?

[F]

Yes, sir. Definitely one of the best coaches we had. Just the way they go about it every day. Coach Harbaugh, Coach, Mentor, just setting that standard. And, man, wouldn't rather have no other guys, man, they truly the best man.

[A]

From running, Brock Byers, Don60, 70 yards to the D tackle play that we see there at the end on fourth down to win the game and then having to chase him out of the pocket. Is there a level of exhaustion that comes with your style of play every play, every single position? Like, how do you even prepare for that in the off season? And what has it been like this year thus far, playing everywhere on the field?

[F]

It's been a lot of fun. I feel like Coach, Mentor, like I said, the best defensive coach in this league does a great job moving me around every week. And not just moving around where I ain't doing my job, but moving me around where I could do it at a high level. So like you say, man, it was. It's still early in the season, man. We're getting that cardio up, man, so I can't wait. I think we had a 20 play drive this game, too, so. Man, it was a lot of fun, man.

[A]

It was a lot of fun, man. Yeah, we're gonna have to keep working on it. D, Bud has a question for you.

[E]

Yeah, Dirt, I was talking about it earlier. Outside of yourself and probably Khalil Mack, y' all are probably. Y' all are easily the most known defenders, the household names. But outside of you guys, bunch of dogs. Tell me about these other guys. Thil Henley, all these hart like you guys just fly around and inflict pain. What's the mindset going into every week with this mental defense? And then tell me a little bit about your running mates.

[F]

I just say I start with Deyon Henley, man, in that middle, man, with the green dot. My brother, man, he's special, man. Had a flu game last night, man. I don't even know how he played, but, man, he gives us everything he got every week, every week, day in and day out. Definitely, man, a Pro bowl all pro player, man. Taheed, still another young guy, man, making a lot of plays. And like you said, we got a lot of lot of guys. It don't really matter who step out there when coach mentor. Honestly, man, I feel like, man, the standard is the standard and whoever out there, they gonna make plays.

[E]

What is it about his system though, like. Cause you guys like that. I mean, that shit jumps off tape how you fly around. I think they less than three and a half yards per play last night. Think they ran 58 plays total. Like, what is it about that defense? And I guess to think like that he prepares you guys for going into the game.

[F]

I say, man, just getting hats around the ball, honestly, running to the ball. And then when the ball in the air, you see two, three guys around the play. That's why we make it. Tips on the ball, guys popping it up, making plays. And I feel like coach is always adjusting, man. Coach is always one step ahead, and man, he always preparing us. And I feel like it's just on us as players to go out there and just do our job.

[A]

We've been talking about Justin Herbert. The reason why Darius Butler is a fan of your team, I believe, is not only because of you, obviously. Massive fan of yours. I mean, the all everything DB team was not easy to put together. The inaugural, obviously you're on there, King. I know you probably found out about this. You probably cried, had a moment with the whole family. Congratulations. No problem. It was hard to crack.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, people were really advocating for other players as well, including yourself. It was. It was tough.

[A]

A lot of politics. Yeah, a lot of politics. And dbut stuck to the film. He said, I'm not worried about any of the politicking. People are offering him a lot of stuff.

[B]

Oh, yeah, shoes.

[A]

People are offering them up shoes. His BA even saw it. He said, no, no. He said, no, I don't want that. He had to do it. But on that note, since the beginning of this run in la, Justin Herbert has been a guy that we've all seen. I think the potential in, like, the possibilities from outside looking in, just the way he handles himself. Even last night, him flipping that camera off. Awesome. Yeah, like, like, I, I think that is everything he does, I think is awesome. Yeah, like, I, I, he's humble. Everything about him. It feels like this might be the year. Go ahead, Ty.

[C]

Yeah, Derwin. On that note, obviously you're insanely competitive, one of the best players in the league, but how happy are you that you don't have to play against Justin Herbert? And do you guys look around and say, like, wow, we knew how good this guy was, but he just continues to take his game to another level?

[F]

Yeah, I just can't wait for y' all to get to see what he already been doing at OTA's training camp, going against our defense. I feel like he's been giving us great looks. Some of the throws he made, man, in the red zone from just in the pocket outside, man. I just feel like he's just growing into his own, man. One of the best quarterbacks in this league. I wouldn't rather have no other guy. I love 10. We love 10 as an organization, and we always feel like long as we got him at quarterback, we always got a chance, man.

[A]

Are you in the Silver Bells Club? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[F]

150, man.

[A]

I'm in there.

[F]

I'm in there.

[A]

Hey, tell us about the entire culture of that building, because we were in there. Oh, yeah. Beautiful building.

[F]

I say, man, our sports performance team. First of all, the facility is amazing. And then there's the sports performance team. Shout out to Coach Herb, man. Coach Dev, all the guys, man, out there. I feel like Coach Herb, he does a great job sending the culture, man. And we got a Silver Bell Club, and it's the Dumbbell Club. It's circled off like a ring. We got the red, the red part around it. And if you want 50 or plus on the dumbbell, you get to get your name in there. So everybody don't have access to that. So it's a lot of fun just being able to bring a culture. I feel like, man, they're some of the best in this league. It's definitely in the sports performance.

[A]

Well, you guys are in la, obviously, that's a draw for some guys, you know, around the NFL, very talented guys. And then you get that building, brand new building, brand new facility. We got a chance to go see it. It's not 20, 25. Ownership invest in 400, 500 million in a practice facility, especially in Los Angeles.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Not normal. Like, that is not a normal thing to happen. So you guys got brand new facilities. You talk about Coach Herb, his vibes are immaculate down that weight room. If you have a good weight room, and like a hard working, let's have fun while working our ass off type culture, which I think Carball is going to bring everywhere. It's like. Like, it feels like you guys are set up for the long haul out. It feels like it has to feel like that in there, that we are. First, we got to go on a run. Obviously, this year is the right year to do it. Every year is the right year to do it. But it has to feel like you guys are set up here and the cultures already put in place. Yes.

[F]

Yes, sir. And I say definitely with a defense, last year we kind of got our feet wet a little bit, but this year we're definitely trying to take that next step and just make this who he is, make this our culture. I feel like Coach Harbaugh, Coach Manson, like I said, doing a great job instilling the culture and just make it tough. Where you want to play the Chargers, man, you know what you're going to get. It's going to be tough. So we're just trying to keep it going. Not for one game or one practice one day, but like you say, let it be the culture.

[A]

And also, the uniforms are cool.

[B]

So great.

[A]

All of them.

[C]

There's a hundred of them.

[A]

Yeah, we saw them all lined up at their facility. It's like, yeah, we have the best uniform of every era.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't worry. Boom, bang, pow. Here's all our different uniforms. We'll use them. We're in Los Angeles. The weather, you know, Know what it is. You know, they can really sell some to free agents.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Especially if they win.

[B]

Especially if they have a tree company.

[A]

Especially. I mean, I've heard about that basketball potential. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, we don't know. We don't know. I don't know. We don't know. We heard it. Pablo. Tory told us. Okay, that was not us saying that. No. But it does feel like you guys are building something very special. We're very happy for you, especially for how much work has gone into all of this season. Started internationally. Go ahead, Con man.

[B]

Yeah, Derwin. This week was. Was the second game. So you guys have, you know, kind of stacked them up two weeks in a row now. How was the Brazil trip? It felt like a massive victory for you guys. Probably didn't have to wait on the tarmac that was awesome. How was the, you know, the strength and conditioning team, though? Just because Makai Becton was pooping his pants, like, the whole time. So what was that like in Brazil?

[F]

First of all, man, it was a lot of fun.

[A]

Shout out.

[F]

Hats off to everybody in our organization, man. It felt like we still was at home. We had all our same equipment, everything we needed to go in and have success. And I feel like, man, it really allowed us to have time to bond as a team, grow closer. You got offensive guys hanging with the defensive guys. So, man, it was a lot of fun, and we wanted to come back with a W, start the season off right, and, man, we did that.

[A]

How many Jim Harbaugh sayings do you try to like? All right, I'm gonna write that one down. Is it like an everyday thing? Like yesterday after the game, 2 minutes and 40 seconds, he spoke about you. I don't know when your contract's up next. I got the. I got everything you need for the negotiation. Okay? It's 2 minutes and 40 seconds long. It is exactly what it is. You can find it on the Charger. Social media is all you need.

[F]

I love Coach Halbal, man. I love his organization. I love everything about it, man. Man, I. I can't wait to go out and practice tomorrow, man. So I'm excited.

[A]

Can you tell me about his messaging, though? Because he is very. It sounds like the way he delivers his messages is what makes us all love him so much. His press conferences are electrifying. I mean, like, every time he speaks, it's great. Can you talk about his messaging a little bit and how he's either different from any coach you've ever had or.

[F]

Yeah, he's one of a kind. There's nobody like Coach harbor bad.

[A]

He.

[F]

He's different in his own way and in a good way. You. He's not going out there with some script or some PowerPoint or, like, none of that. He's giving you real life advice, real life situation. It could been and just happened to him in the hallway, and he just gonna come off and tell you what it is. He can be going off with a story, and then a thought will come to his head, he'll switch it up. So just him being that, him being that, man, him being different. We love him, and he always got great stories. It ain't one thing you could just write down because he gonna give you something every day, so. Man, great coach, man.

[A]

So I was just walking in the hall. I saw our lunch lady. She said, coach, great job. And I just thought to myself, wow, this lady. Yeah, in the middle. Is that. Is that what it's like?

[F]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

So he'll give you some. Anything, man.

[A]

And he'll tie. It's good.

[F]

He will make him great. Like, he'll give you, like, the analogy, and it'll tie to football, which make it make sense to us. So I'm like, man, you got a gift for that, honestly.

[E]

Because everybody will be looking like, what?

[F]

And then like, man, when he really explained.

[A]

And you really get. You like, oh, land the plane. He lands the plane. Everybody be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, bring it back. Okay, where are we going with this? Where are we going with this? And then. And that's why, when I tell you guys. Pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah. He's electric. We see that at the press conferences. I couldn't imagine behind closed doors when trying to motivate. Speaking of doing that, man, who coached ball for 47 years. Big fan of yours. Coach Ba has a question for you. Derwin.

[G]

Derwin.

[D]

Yeah, man. I'm a big, big fan and prayers out to clemency. Hopefully he's okay and it gets better. But with all these quarterbacks running around right now, did you get your choice of intercepting or knocking one of them out? What you want to do?

[F]

Intercept, man, you know the rules change rules a little different. I gotta get that ball now. I'm trying to get the ball as.

[A]

Much as I can, y'. All. I don't know.

[D]

Some of these quarterbacks trying to run people over now.

[F]

I'm trying to get the ball for still coach.

[A]

Hey, Darwin, let's talk about that, though. Let's extend that point because it happened against you guys. Patrick Mahomes obviously doesn't go out, lowers his shoulder. Who is the 27? I forget the number on your guy. That immediately led to everybody on our show saying, okay, if that's what it's going to be now, it's going to be open season, but we're seeing a lot of running from the quarterbacks. Like, a lot of running from the quarterbacks. How much are you guys thinking about that? Obviously, man, we.

[F]

We obviously think about it because like I said, the quarterback, especially red zone, man, they. They legs come alive, man. These quarterbacks running more, and you got to count for them. If you don't, you playing 10 on 11. So being able to know where they are and we gotta. We gotta tackle them like running backs in space. If they gonna run like running backs, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

But once they cross the line, we Gotta go tackle them like running backs. Honestly.

[A]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but don't you even think about going closer. Oh, no, no, no, no.

[F]

Not on the sideline. No, not on the sideline. And play if he running, if he ain't sliding. And they running. Some of these quarterbacks not even sliding. They shaking, making moves, they trying to get yards. So, you know, we'll see what we get.

[A]

That's probably why.

[D]

That's probably why three or four of them aren't playing this week.

[A]

Yeah, five. I think it's five.

[F]

Some of these quarterbacks ain't sliding, man. They just going in there. So we'll see.

[E]

Hey, get. Get that ball, man. Get that table. It took enough money out of your checks.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Suspended my dog, so. Yeah, they got him on the list.

[A]

Hey, man, those are good stats to have too. Whenever you put that 2 minutes and 40 seconds up there, then also. Yeah. Got this many picks, I think I'm going to be a charger for life. Yeah, that's what we got going on. That's awesome. You're the man. We appreciate you joining us.

[F]

I appreciate y', all, man. Y' all keep killing it, man.

[A]

Yeah, we're gonna try. Not as much as you, obviously. Good luck against Broncos. Great win last night, ladies and gentlemen. Derwin J. Yeah. What a win for them. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[E]

Three divisional games out the gate.

[A]

Yeah, they started scheduling that. They did a lot of division rivalry games there week one. And I think it's because a lackluster start last year. Remember last year, kind of slow out of the gates. So they. I think they wanted the schedule maker wanted that to have bigger games. How do you feel about that as a coach with as important as the games are that early?

[D]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of it. Especially three in a row. Yeah, you know, I mean, now if you get to three wins, like they got a chance. Right now, you owning the division as long as you don't get killed with injuries. But if you can get three up in your division, that's hard to open.

[A]

Huge. Yeah, especially. Cause that's not happening normally till like week 14. Yeah, exactly. So now you have that at the beginning of the season, get all the out of division games, come in, find your team, get even better than whenever they get back into it. Because they're always going to end with division games as well. Because they want to have big time football towards the end of the season, which the NFL has gotten. Right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Every single end of season weeks there have always had very meaningful football games stacked up so I'm not saying that the schedule makers get it wrong, but last year, there had to be a conversation about how slow they were out of the gates. And college football was actually last year carrying it. Yeah, that was carrying football for a while because there was. So them having the division games right up front. Did it make it easier for coaches to get teams prepared, you think, because it was more important games early, or do you still think teams have no idea who they are at this point? They're playing very meaningful football.

[D]

I think the ones that have veteran players know what it means. The ones that are playing with younger players have no clue.

[A]

The division's how we get to the dance.

[D]

This is how you get to the dance, baby. You got to win these. And you got. People say football doesn't start in November. September games come back bite you in the ass.

[A]

All right?

[D]

If you start losing in September, that's a hard road overcome. And, yeah, I mean, it means so much more in training camp, and I think if they continue it, you're going to see more guys playing in the preseason.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's kind of like what Lombardi said. You know, Michael Lombardi, when he was coming on last year, every week or the year before, he always said, like, hey, you can have a lull.

[A]

And.

[B]

And the teams that go to the super bowl, like, they might look bad a couple weeks, but if you look at it after every season, they start really well and they end really well. And then in the middle, there might be like two or three games where there's a lull or someone misses a game or something. But, like, those first six weeks in the last six weeks are the most in time, most important time. But like, when you won the super bowl in Tampa, like, you guys didn't get going until week 11, way later against the Falcons. Yeah, we're down 17.

[D]

Nothing and a half.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And, you know, that big second half was huge for us, and it just continued on. But that was such a crazy year because we had OTAs, no training camp. Tom was there for the first time and learning our way as we went week to week, you know, but in the past. So they break it down into four segments, try to go 3 and 1, 3 and 1, 3 and 1. If you win 12, you're going to have home to an advantage and just break it down that way and keep it in those four quarters. And injuries happen and other things happen, and you got to readjust and adjust because it's. You always adjusting. International football, always.

[A]

You got to stay healthy, though. Health is the number one thing, you're going to get hurt and go ahead, Ty.

[C]

Well, that's what I was just going to say. Like when you fans aren't complaining because you get a divisional game early and it's like, you know, it's sweet because you're more invested than maybe whatever, but like, you know, if you're playing a division game week one and you play that opponent again week 15, it's like those are two different teams pretty much.

[A]

Oh, yeah, exactly. The injury report coming out of week two here, a lot of quarterbacks, you talk about three, four quarterbacks. Joe Burrow, he's out three months. J.J. mcCarthy, what is it, two to four weeks. Jaden Daniels, sprain knee. I don't think we've got a full.

[C]

They said he might not play Sunday.

[A]

Okay. Brock Purdy, Mac Jones already played a game. And then Justin Fields, concussion. It's like that's inevitable with the way we were watching, that entire thing kind of happened with goes back to ba points about how much running the quarterbacks are doing. But that's one of Justin Field's biggest upsides, is he's the fastest guy on the field. Then obviously, Aaron Jones, Jalen Johnson, Calvin Noy Highsmith, B.B. terrell and Baker Mayfield, we assume. Yes, we assume. His left knee, it was shown in the final two minutes, the hit that he takes where he gets upended by cj, gj, that was the third hit to his left knee. That was pretty nasty. It started early. Here's the Neil Hunter against the starting center who's playing left tackle. Centers and tackles, two very different body types and two very different positions. Kind of gets rolled up on his left knee there. Then there was this run happening in the fourth quarter where he goes and he kind of an awkward landing. Boom, gets up. That's that left knee again. Ah, cj, GJ talking his shit right there. Which cj GJ will do. I mean, that. That is cj, GJ football. I believe Bruce Arians and he have gotten into it a few different times. A few times, yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's part of the beauty of cj, gj. And then once again, here's Baker Mayfield later in that fourth quarter. Boom takes another huge shot to the left leg and his leg was planted. That's cj, GJ as well. We assume that left knee is going to be the size of a basketball. Yeah, we assume that thing is going to be gigantic. Well, we would also like to assume there's a chance he's not practicing tomorrow and there's A chance he's not practicing on Thursday, but we assume Baker Mayfield will be playing in the game.

[D]

Oh, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. He'll be out there and morale dropping.

[A]

Far.

[D]

Who heads up their rehabilitation? She is outstanding. One of the best there is. She'll have him ready.

[A]

He's going to be like Edmonix.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He's going to get that thing drained.

[G]

That's right.

[A]

I'm assuming his knee is going to be.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Just. I don't know how he finished.

[B]

Yeah. How bad was it for you when you were playing?

[A]

Well, I'm just. I don't get any of these shots, like the hype, like, twist. Obviously, that's just, like, a little irritation. There's. Okay, that's just a little irritation. That'll spur some inflation. Okay. The irritation in itself will do that. Then him. This is a bruise.

[F]

Boom.

[A]

Into the ground. Okay. Right underneath that turf cement. Go ahead.

[E]

Right there with that one. This is a perfect example of kind of how injuries work. In the flow of a game, something can be hurting, but that adrenaline. And when you. Like when he literally probably would have laid there for another 15, 30 seconds if CJ, GJ didn't come over and start talking shit, he immediately popped up like, oh, no, I'm not gonna lay here like a lame duck while he's standing over. Because he knows that defense and number eight specifically feeds off that type of energy. So as a competitor, that's what gets you going. Now, when he. He's probably still in bed right now, tomorrow, it'll feel even worse. But when it's game time, like when he runs out of the tunnel again, I expect Sixx to be out there and take the field. But when you're. When you. A lot of us deal. Deal with those things. But when that adrenaline is flowing and it's pumping almost like anything else, kind of like fight or flight, when it's going, you gotta lead your team. Like the team's feeding off you as well. So. Yeah, that. That. I think that that was the perfect illustration of kind of what happens for the athlete when they're in the middle of it.

[A]

That's kind of Baker Mayfield's M.O. right there, right? Yeah. Just tough gunslinger.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Comes down, two minute drill. Here I am. Like, that is everything. Baker Mayfield was heralded as coming out of Oklahoma. Okay. Remember, we remember him at Oklahoma. The coin toss with Kansas. I think they don't change the whole dance. Everything the dog ear, the Doug, Everything the. Huh?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Everything. Sure was like, yo, this guy's gunslinger.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Outlaw. Okay. That is what Baker Mayfield and tough guy go.

[D]

That last one, when he gets flipped, he comes up immediately calling a play. He knows he's in two minutes.

[A]

He's.

[D]

He bounces up. He's. He's giving the signals for the next play. He not even thinking about that knee, you know, and he comes right out. Boom. Takes him right down the field. Score. But that's what I love about the kid.

[A]

You are huge, Baker. I'm a huge fan, brother. Yeah, like this morning, the thing he's texting during game last night about Baker. Then this morning, the things he was saying about Baker. Tampa the perfect place for him as well.

[D]

Oh, he owns the town right now. And that, you know, when people talk about reviving a career, he got an opportunity. He has taken advantage of it. And he.

[A]

He.

[D]

He is the franchise. Mr. Glazier's already said he is the face of the franchise. Will be for a long time. Tampa loves him because he's that type of guy.

[A]

Yeah, he's wearing this badge of honor. Go ahead.

[B]

And that's what separates him from all the other guys. Like, the other guys. Like, we talk about Gino being that guy as the first to kind of, you know, have a beginning of a career that maybe didn't play as much and then, you know, revive it. Like, he got ran out of Seattle, so. So he revived his career, but he was never picked.

[A]

He was offered a contract.

[B]

He was okay, but he was never hailed as the franchise guy. I know the owner never came out and said, he's the face of the franchise like they did for Baker. And then, like, you think about Mac Jones, you think about Danny Dimes, you think about every quarter, Darnold, every quarterback now, forever. Like, if they do have a tough start to their career, they're in their mind, they're just thinking, baker Mayfield, like, that is going to be the face of, hey, sure, I had a bad start and I got ran out of town, but at the same time, I might have a couple years here and then be the face of a franchise again.

[A]

He was on scouting punt block in Carolina. The Carolina Panthers. Yeah, with Frank Wright, the Carolina Panthers, who, to be candid, stunk at football. That year, they got Baker Mayfield rushing the punt. Now, obviously, he goes to LA. He has those multiple weeks with Sean McVay, and I assume whenever Baker Mayfield is finished and he looks back, he'll say, like, those days in Carolina was on the scout team, and he was just on the sideline headbutting guys. With helmets on. He didn't have helmets on. He'll probably talk about the amount of opportunity he had to grow as teammate and leader and everything like that. It all makes sense. But looking back on it, crazy, insane that they kicked him out of Cleveland with everything that Cleveland's gone through, 8 and 9, kick him out of Carolina with everything that's going on. And then obviously LA and Sean McVeigh giving him an opportunity. It's like, what a perfect ending for him to be in Tampa Bay with that team, especially with Mike Evans and. Yeah, all the weapons. Yeah, everybody they have going on. But, boy, you start looking back on some of those things, and it's like, was it the right move to maybe give up on Baker and kick Baker out of here?

[E]

Ran out of Cleveland, ran out of Carolina. Those organizations, you know, historically got it figured out. But we cursed forever.

[B]

You can make that argument. Both those. Both those teams are cursed forever.

[E]

But we. We always paid attention to all that other shit. And it was, you know, some of it was a little extra or you'll call it whatever. But, like, for me, at least, especially with a quarterback, because we've seen other situations. Quarterback gets benched, hey, I don't want to be anymore. Trade me, get me to a new place. I'm not doing scout team. I'm not doing this. So to do that, not only scout team for the offense, doing the punt rush stuff, we pay attention to all that. Even going back to college for, like, Jalen Hurts. When he was bench for tour, everybody paid attention to that in the evaluation. And then when they get another opportunity, all those character things, they continue to show themselves. But I want to ask BA Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, now Baker Mayfield. We talk about even him being a head coachmaker. How tough is that on him? You know, continuing to learn. I'm sure he does some of the same things, but continuing to learn a different offense year in and year out. And at what point this season will he get comfortable in this offense, do you think?

[D]

Well, I think this year is really easy because Josh was there. He did all the red zone. He did all the third down. Last year, they were number one in the league, so that was an easy transition. This year, it's the same stuff, same terminology. Now go from Dave Canales to Liam Cohen was different and two different systems. But that just shows how tough he is and how smart he is and how much he invests in it. And that's one of the things I love about him because it's not easy to follow Tom Brady Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Tom Brady wins the super bowl and here you come and you take over a city. Now, granted, this might be the best team he's ever been on, but don't forget now, he was rookie of the year in Cleveland.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

He beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in Pittsburgh in the playoff game.

[A]

Game. All right.

[D]

So he would.

[A]

He was no bus number one. Kick him out, though.

[D]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

Yeah. Class Cleveland. Yeah. Classic Cleveland. Got a coach there. And as somebody that grew up in Pittsburgh and just watch them kind of do their thing and we all are pulling for the Cleveland Browns. Good luck.

[B]

No, no, Tony. Tony needs you here. We're not all pulling for the Brown.

[A]

Let's have the hammer. Done. Todd. AP Tone will say, doesn't matter if you pull for him. We're still the Browns. Is that what you're going to say?

[H]

Browns is always the Brown, just like the Chiefs. Always Chiefs, Pat.

[A]

That's exactly. Hey, last night, Money. What happened at the Money last night? What happened with sportsbooks for week two? Anything we should be paying attention to as the market settled itself or sportsbooks still beating the hell out of everybody right now?

[H]

So week two as a whole, the, the totals market, the over under market kind of reset itself. Obviously. Week one, it was 12 and four to the unders this week. The overs, obviously we Talked about the second highest scoring 10 game games on a Sunday. The, the overs kind of. Reese kind of waterfind its level in the, in the over under total market there. But as a. As a whole, it was. It was a little bit better of a week, I think. Two and three, the public went against the spread in the top five games. Obviously the weeks before that, it was either one and four or oh and five in college football and NFL. So the betters got a little bit better. But the, the, the. The sportsbooks are still winning.

[A]

Okay. Sportsbooks always going to win. We assume Chargers are a good team to beat sportsbooks with what stats are saying 14, 5 and 1 against the spread since last year. Shout out. We appreciate you guys. Appreciate you guys doing that.

[B]

Keep going.

[A]

Making people happy. Make people happy. Now as soon as you stop doing that. Oh, yeah, they'll let you know.

[H]

That's right.

[A]

To hell with this. Any, any other maybe gambling greats that we need to pay attention to? Any other wagons that have really done well that we maybe need to say, remember Chargers, this is kind of their thing. They cover the spread. They win in that. Is there any other teams we should think about?

[H]

This would probably be obvious or maybe not. The Eagles and Ravens. I don't have the exact stats off the top of my head, but I know that they have been a quite of a quite a bit of a monster against the spread.

[A]

Okay, Anton, we didn't get to talk college ball as much yesterday. What are some things that came out of the college football weekend that we need to be paying attention to and shout out to college ball? Kicking a lot of ass. And we'll have coach Rod Rich Rodriguez of the West Virginia mountaineers on at 1:30 Eastern Time to talk about the massive win in the Backyard Brawl. But what are some of the college football stories that we need to talk about or haven't talked about?

[H]

Yeah, actually, I have five takeaways from this weekend that I wanted to talk about. There's a couple teams up at the top of there. Miami, Oregon, Utah, Vandy, Florida State, Oklahoma. I just love the cut of the jib of these teams. I'm not saying these are the, the best teams in the country, but like the vibe. These are all vibe teams right now. Miami has been unbelievable. Obviously dominating Florida in a big win against Notre Dame. Oregon, anyone that that is on the field with them, they are just absolutely pummeling. Gundy found that out when he tried talking a bit about Oregon and Dan Lanning. They just put it on him. Utah, obviously, with the new OC and Devin Dampier coming to you, they've just been like these teams, Vandy right here, they, sorry, excuse me, got a coach fired basically at Virginia Tech and then just put it on South Carolina last week. And then obviously from week one from now, Florida State has just been putting on teams. These are teams like it doesn't matter who they're playing. They are just going to put it on them. And they've looked incredible. And the last one there, Oklahoma, obviously was a big one this week against Auburn.

[C]

Number two.

[H]

We watched them week one against Ohio State. We're like, oh, it's okay. They played Ohio State, they're a great defense. But does Texas stink?

[B]

Whoa, Tony. Tony.

[H]

Now they've won. You see Arch run it in here against utep and they've won since Ohio State, but it still hasn't looked pretty. You'll see a couple throws mixed in here from Arch with the touchdowns where it's like things are just still off a little bit for this offense, which we wouldn't. We did not.

[A]

We.

[H]

Nobody expected this coming into the season. Maybe, you know, we expected it not to be the quickest start, but not how it's looked so far. Things have not looked great for Arch and that, that Texas, they're winning games.

[A]

They are winning games.

[B]

They're beating. You tap. It's not good on the Internet. Parole Arch. A lot of people are saying he's more Archie, not Peyton. And the real one is Archie's the first overall pick. But Archie ain't never won, okay?

[A]

And neither am I.

[B]

But I'm just saying, when we're talking.

[A]

About it, he was on the ain't, brother. He changed the entire franchise.

[B]

Exactly. And maybe Arch ends up going to Cleveland and they go 4 and 12 for the next 10 years, and it's cool. And then the real Prince, who's promised Peyton's boy, comes. And everyone doesn't hype him up, Marshall. They don't hype him up like Arch because. Because it was a mistake.

[A]

Listen, Arch has a lot of pressure with that last name.

[B]

It's tough.

[A]

And we're a part of the problem.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I'm part of the problem. I'm part of the problem because I. I honestly was like, Arch going to get dropped into this number one team in the country, and they're going to be even better than they were at the end of the year last year with a guy who was starting there for three years or whatever, you know, that was a lot. I was really. I was really excited about the Arch, man. Better when Heisman. Let the boy have some time. Let's let the boy have some time. No time, Gay. We know Stark's offense is going to be good. And I know, even though a lot of others seemingly have started to let doubt creep in and maybe even win the conversation, I know Arch is going to be a player. Now, there are some alarming little things we see. There's some throws, maybe in the first row. There's some little skip passes that we don't expect. There's a little pain in the face because the throw is so bad. Exactly. There's a lot of those moments happening right now, and we're seeing all of it because it is Arch Manning. He's got a lot of different deals, okay? We're bringing a lot of eyes, bringing a lot of attention. Let the boy figure it out, dude, okay?

[B]

There ain't time, okay?

[C]

No, that's what. That's why Archie said, hey, listen, he's gonna be back there next year as well. I mean, just. You gotta eat, you know, everyone's thinking.

[A]

Will you tell. Let the boy figure it out. Now, would I be saying that if I didn't have such close connection to the family? Absolutely not. But with that being said, Watching it, it does feel as if this is going to be a situation that is going to have to take some time to figure out. Will they figure it out?

[D]

Oh, definitely.

[A]

Definitely. There's no time. Too good.

[B]

Just like John Cena said, the time.

[A]

Is dead, Chris Bourbon.

[D]

The time comes in the Red River Shootout.

[A]

John Cena, we love you.

[E]

What the hell? Did you call him?

[A]

John?

[B]

John Cena sucks.

[A]

Chris Berman called him John Cena last night in the first three minutes. I'm sorry. Chris Fowler caught him. John Senna last night. Yeah.

[E]

That's not. It's Chris Burman. All right. We can't get those two.

[B]

Yeah, well, speaking of, actually, we got some ideas for Bourbon as well.

[A]

Oh, yeah. He had a bar for Burman last year. He had a bar for B.

[B]

It's going to work for as long.

[I]

As we need it.

[A]

B. Yeah, his father.

[E]

Okay. Give him a test or call. He didn't sound like Vegas.

[C]

He needs an emergency.

[A]

What's that?

[C]

He needs emergency.

[A]

You're talking about vitamin C. Yes. We have had that shipped into the office in droves. I'll have everybody know we got. We forced BA to take away.

[B]

It's a fun time.

[D]

I always take it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It's just a little gummy. We've set it up in a position, though here where it's, hey, grab your vitamin C, gummy.

[C]

Get your emergency, guys.

[A]

Get your gummy. Have a couple of them. Maybe. Oh, maybe OD on vitamin C. Maybe. Maybe have too many here so we can fight and we're gonna find out if this works or not. Yeah. That is what we were gonna do this, right? Exactly. Every fall, everybody, including us, get something.

[B]

Especially when the weather changes.

[A]

Everybody every time. I don't even think my allergies are that crazy. Maybe they have grown as I've gotten older. But during fall, during football season, all of us always get something. Maybe Fowler is having that right now. I'm not 100% sure. We all get it throughout the season. We are going to OD on vitamin C this year.

[D]

Have to.

[A]

And that we're going to see. We're going to see how good this vitamin is. Yeah, we're going to find out. There's been some moves made to a couple different foods that might help help us going forward as well. But we're excited for that. What else should we be chitchatting about? Let the boy develop.

[H]

Speaking of vitamin C, let's go to number three. Notre Dame needs the same run that they had in 2024. If we go back about A year they lost to Northern Illinois, who was just a Mac team, not a ranked Mac team. I believe they're 27 point favorites against that Mac team. And they went on a run after everyone said hey, you cannot make the playoffs after losing Northern Illinois. And they won every game by 40 and they made the playoffs and they went to the national championship. Now they start 02 very close games. They only last by three points and one point, but they are still 02. And everyone's saying they can't make the playoffs. But I think personally if they win every single game by 40 points just like last year, I think there's a chance they can make the playoffs. Last year after Northern Illinois, the only ranked team that they played that was good was Louisville.

[A]

That's it.

[H]

This year they have usc. They got to hope USC keeps winning and they beat usc. But if they go on a run, it's going to be hard to keep out a two loss Notre Dame team that only lost by four total points to those two good teams.

[A]

Okay, you're speaking to me because I said two Saban. I actually bet a Ferrari or a Mercedes, which Saban owns dealerships for both of those, that Notre Dame was not going to make the playoff because I thought Texas A and M was going to beat them on Saturday. Saturday. And I thought with the way their schedule looked, even though usc, who I think a lot of people are saying USC deserves to be ranked much higher. Like people are kind of disrespecting usc.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Is what people in college ball think. They think Lincoln Riley's offense all the way back. Like they think they are underappreciated right now. So I guess if USC to your point continues to go and they have a good performance against them and then that tough Stanford team last last week of the year, they're salty. Tbd. You have no idea how that's going to get. So I guess to your point, if they beat everybody by 40, there will certainly be a conversation. And they can. Yeah, they certainly can, Tone. We'll see. And we're going to watch it every week. Yeah. On prime time.

[C]

Big opportunity this week with Purdue. Purdue's a tough team. That could be a big statement win for the Irish.

[A]

Not only Purdue, they also have an opportunity against Boston College.

[B]

Keep them out. Don't let them in.

[A]

Pittsburgh's great football team too. Let's not forget that they are. Pittsburgh's a great football team. Syracuse FR got the boys running sprints on game day after game day. True. Okay.

[B]

This is the worst schedule or the Easiest schedule in college football.

[A]

Right. Which is why they lose their two big ones at the beginning. I immediately thought, I don't know if they have enough traction to get back.

[B]

No way.

[A]

But then I forget. Notre Dame's on national TV every week, and if they win by 40, it's going to be hard to keep them out at the end. So I. I texted Coach Saban. After Texas A and M gets that win, I go, I would like that Ferrari SUV that you were talking about. Okay. I guess there's a Ferrari suv.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Because none of the cars he sells would survive in Indiana. No, not at all. No, because we got an suv. All right? And I looked at it. I don't think it's going to survive here. But since Texas A and M1, I immediately thought, you owe me.

[B]

Get one.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

He said, hold on. Now he thinks the same thing. Tone's thinking, there's a chance at the end. Notre Dame does get faded favor because they're on national tv and if they kill everybody, I hope not. There's a chance that ruins it.

[H]

I just think there's.

[A]

What do you mean that ruins.

[B]

That ruins it if that happens. Because, like, that's.

[A]

They're a different team now than they will be at the end of the year. They were favored in both those games, though, too.

[H]

Like, they weren't dogs in those games. They were favored against Miami and favored against Northern Illinois, too.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm not.

[A]

That was one. Now they're. Now they're about.

[H]

You're not keeping out a. A no. 2 loss nerd aim team that lost by four total points at Texas A.

[A]

And M. I. I have come around to that thought. I just want to let you know, after Saban says it and you say it and then I look into it and I think about myself watching them on prime time every single week. And if they were to win by 40 every single week, which they can, which they certainly can, there'll be a lot of people that are like, put them in. This team's not one of the top 12 teams.

[D]

What if one of those teams that they beat, that beat that them is eight and three?

[A]

That's not good.

[H]

That's not good.

[D]

I'm taking the eight and three team over Notre Dame at nine and two.

[A]

No, what they need, they won't take any of them at 8 and 3, especially ACC, Miami, SEC, Texas A maybe.

[B]

Like if a M is 9 and 2 and Notre Dame's 9 and 2, but Notre Dame beats.

[A]

But listen to what we're doing right now. We're talking about what the conversation's going to be around the time. Just put them all in the playoffs.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

Give us six, 16 teams.

[H]

Give us the Mac champ and three more.

[A]

Give us 100 teams in there. No, Never gonna get it right. But if Notre Dame does dominate on national television every week, you're 100, right? What are the other two? Four.

[H]

Doesn't matter. That team is done. And number five, more importantly, the Mountaineers are back.

[A]

I don't think Clemson deserved that. Good luck to them. What was the team that said we never talked about him last week? They got a big time win 44. Connors is the guy that said Houston. They beat Colorado Friday night. Houston beats Colorado and they say nobody even mentioned our game on the Pat MC show earlier. I want to let Connors know we apologize. Yeah, you were awesome to watch. The Colorado team's gonna have to figure it out. But maybe Houston does have it figured out. I think they got money too behind them.

[B]

They do.

[A]

Nothing to think about there.

[D]

That quarterback's pretty legit too.

[A]

Wegman agreed. Yeah, Wegman. Great story too around him. So we're pulling for everybody to have great years, but if you don't, we got to say it.

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[E]

Football Good job coach head.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

Good.

[A]

That's 47 years in football as a coach. BA the toxic tables here at Boston. Connor and that Ty Schmidt. Good cadence there. Yeah, I think you got a couple. I think you got a couple to jump there. 9 year NFL vet, host of everything db good d bad D Ladies and gentlemen, Darius J. Butler and live from Hammer Dad Todd is one half of the Hammer Cowboys. AP Tone Tom, good to see you.

[B]

Cheers.

[A]

You look good Tom. Great College ball breakdown. We appreciate the five stories that we need to know. Another story you need to know. Cal quarterback Songa Politelli.

[B]

Real deal big guy.

[A]

He's going to get paid so much money this offseason. I apologize to the Calgorithm. Maybe Cal is able to keep up though. Maybe after an offseason of losing a lot of their guys to other schools. It would suck if the Cal Bears just became a feeder system for other schools. But there's a chance that is what Cal currently is because Songa Politelli, their quarterback who is an 18 year old out of Hawaii who was originally committed to to Oregon I believe then he saw that he wasn't maybe going to have an opportunity to start as a freshman. Whatever the case, transfers in the Nil era before his freshman year even started. Okay, first person ever do that. A lot of people probably wanted to judge him quickly. I would like to commend him on that decision after originally judging him Because I thought to myself, this guy's transferred before he even get started. This guy doesn't want any adversity. What is this guy? Well, I think what he and everybody around him knew was, is this guy needs to be playing football.

[C]

The boy needs to play.

[A]

This guy needs to be playing football. And that is the right decision. This dude is phenomenal. He's tall, he's athletic, he's a lefty, obviously, which in 2025 isn't as big of a deal as maybe it was back in the day, but it is a beaut. He might have one of the most beautiful lefty strokes that there is out there. And his ball somehow either spins slower or faster. Whatever it is, it is beautiful. Going through the air and he throws dominant, he can move and he seemingly, I mean, he's in Cal, so brain wise, we're talking has to be a big deal. This guy might get the biggest of all time actually after this season. Mike might get the biggest of all time after this season. You're talking about upside and potential. That's what college ball is right now. What he has earned for himself and his family just here in the first few weeks. Unbelievable.

[D]

Going to be a big, big job for the gm Ron Rivera, who I love to death, to keep him. I mean, they're gonna have to come up with a lot of cash.

[A]

And we're not saying that's a good thing. We're just telling you that is the state we are in right now. And he is special. Yeah, he is special, special at quarterback.

[B]

And that's something to look for now going forward. Like if there's a freshman that transfers. The first thought you, you mentioned like, this guy must be a bum. There's a chance there's some 17 year olds out there right now looking at, at the team that they might be going to and they're like, well, I could maybe go to Stanford or Cal, play, play year one, be the best player and then go to the, you know, big school for even more money.

[A]

See also having some Cal connections or Stanford connections, not a bad thing. Not a bad Berkeley. I did not know what to expect going there, obviously. I think I had a natural thought of what we were walking into over there.

[B]

Based on the state.

[A]

Well, not just the state, just everything that's ever basically been said about the university, the campus, the city, you name it. It's all like, I thought not sports people, not really like sportsy people. You know, I think there's in some places, and maybe I'm wrong in this, especially Berkeley Proved that is there is like people that are not anti sports people. I don't know what the fuck they do. I have no idea what they do with their time. But I thought that's what it was. When I go there there that morning in game day is one of the most memorable life experiences that I have. Just being mind blown by what the expectations were and then what it actually was. And I think it actually has helped me like almost not judge as quickly or like assume as quickly. They love ball out there. Oh yeah. And with that coach and the way they're able to do their thing and Ron Rivera is the gm, it's like I think they're going to get some special talent in there. Are they going to be able to retain them? It's the hard part. Quarterback last year now without you. Yeah. Yep. Wide receiver last year now out. And where's the where did there another.

[H]

Big time transfer he went down to. Oh my God. Florida State. Oregon maybe.

[A]

Yeah. But they their roster last year hot got plucked. Otto go. He's out. It's like that cow has become like a feeder. I'm not saying that's a a good thing for cow fans, but I am saying cow is coming on the board quickly and this song will pull a telecute is legit.

[H]

Their schedule is also pretty, pretty cake as well if you want to talk about some schedules. So look out for Cal.

[A]

Okay. Who else are some schedules that are pretty cake?

[H]

North Carolina has a cake schedule. Wake Forest. A lot of ACC teams have some cake schedules out there.

[A]

What's that mean? What are you saying?

[C]

That conference sucks.

[B]

Yeah. Honestly kind of great news for the Big 12.

[A]

Well, West Virginia head coach Rich Rodriguez will be joining us in about 24 minutes. We understand what's happening in the Big 12 right now. Okay. Arizona State goes down there in Mississippi State. They have problems with cowbells. Feels like it's about to be a two headed monster in the Big 12. Feels like 34 year old or whatever the hell he is over there in Arizona State.

[D]

Oh, he's a good one.

[A]

He's great.

[D]

He's a good one.

[A]

Great. He's restored I think faith in the entire community. He wants to empower the Valley. Light up the Valley or something like that. Like he loves that area. They've really gone around top love to Mississippi State. Tough, tough loss to Mississippi. They took the goalpost out on him.

[D]

There's one of those stark Vegas, baby.

[A]

Bingo. Yeah, exactly. Great time down there. That place loves ball too. New light show down there. New everything. Yeah, in the stadium.

[B]

You could tell.

[A]

Herb Street, I think, said he thought that that was going to be a problem. New light show, new everything. I don't know if this Arizona State team has any idea what they're walking into. And then lo and behold, he was right. And that's why he was doing the whole. Oh, Mississippi State won that one. I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't know. He was really excited about it.

[E]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

As he should be because he basically called it to a T. He's also called a couple guys stats to a T going in. Feels like he's on his. But Arizona State and West Virginia seem like on collision course. About to run this entire place. What about Utah? Yeah. Look out for I hate.

[H]

Don't forget about Texas Tech.

[G]

What about Iowa State?

[A]

Texas Tech has a lot of money.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Rocco's so good. He's supposed to a West Virginia mountaineer.

[H]

Neil Brown, Kansas Jaylen Daniel.

[A]

Neil Brown. Just let that one out of the backyard. Anthony Beck. His dad's in the WV hall of Fame.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Get the kid a scholarship.

[C]

Yeah, you think?

[A]

What are we doing here?

[B]

You can play him, you know. Rocks in the backpack on that one.

[A]

He is holding a backpack for Texas right now. He's working hand inand. From what I've been told with Arch Manning, Neil Brown had a lot of.

[B]

Oh, no, wait, wait.

[A]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from an attic in Ohio.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[H]

He's only in charge of his breakfast.

[A]

That's it.

[C]

Yeah, that's right.

[A]

That's how you start the day.

[B]

Yeah. What's he serving him?

[A]

Poop. Ladies and gentlemen. Joining us now, I don't think he's serving poop, but I assume there's people out there that would say poop actually pretty good breakfast because the nutrients and everything like that. There's a chance that some sports scientist is pitching poop for breakfast. And that's where we're at now in this world. Joining us now is a guy who actually. Yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah. He's in an attic in Ohio. His college football national champion, super bowl champion, Ryder cup winner, potentially a poop eater. Yeah, we don't know. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hall. We know about the urine. You know about the urine. Have you ever taken don your own bowel movement?

[I]

No. First off, yeah, the urine thing has never happened. Never tasted my own urine. Never tasted anybody's urine. And if somebody there's nutritionist pushing poop for breakfast, you might want to check out somebody else because I don't Think that's. I don't know if there's any nutrients in it that you eat. You know that I don't think.

[A]

Oh, you don't know what these super genius. I guess you got to test it.

[I]

Somebody's got to test it for us and be maybe con man can be the guy. Eat poop for two straight months and see if you feel there doesn't help.

[A]

There is definitely an incident. Connor sounds like he's already found this guy or I assume it was would be a guy. It was a guy. I assume it was a guy on Instagram. If I had to guess who's an influencer on being the healthiest you you could possibly be. There is a slew of them and I am sure that one of them was like moose poop actually and did an entire thing for sure. That is no questions asked. It sounds like you are not one of those guys. We take that back once again that's judging just like I did with Berkeley. I should not have done as such. AJ we're just talking about Cal being maybe a feeder system for schools like Ohio State or any of these other big, big Czech schools. Do you think the people Cal hate that and or is there just kind of a. Kind of an understanding that that's the modern world we're in right now?

[I]

I mean I'm sure you can, you can hate it but you also probably have to accept it at the same time until you are able to come up with the funds that it takes to keep these. These stud players around. Yeah, I guess it's a good problem to have. Hey, this guy is so good. These other, you know, he's looking at going and other teams may poach him and take him away from us but yeah, we have the good player. What do we got to do to keep him around? It's like a lot of coaches say hey, I don't have to love the nil situation and all of it going on, but this is where we are. I gotta find a way to navigate through it.

[A]

He's going to Penn State next year.

[B]

Oh, probably lock that in. Can you bet on that somewhere?

[A]

Is there a predicting market need that that we could potentially put that on? I assume that is where he ends up at. If I had to guess, Miami. Maybe Miami. Cuz Carson Beck has a year. Will they be able to keep up cash wise with Penn State?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he's an O. What about Alabama? Him?

[A]

I mean I wonder if maybe Kaylin Debore.

[E]

Yeah, maybe Florida, maybe Texas.

[B]

Florida.

[E]

They might be in the Quarterback market.

[A]

Excuse me.

[E]

Just throw.

[I]

Oh, he's leaving.

[E]

Maybe he might want a first start.

[B]

I mean, if he wants to stay.

[A]

Les Regene is not a bad place. Arch Manning wants to transfer out of Texas, get away from Neil, come back to Rich Rod's hard edge. We would certainly take him. Everybody needs to stop giving up on Arch. Let the boy develop. Let the boy develop. AJ let's talk about last night. What is your big takeaway from the big win for the Buccaneers? Baker Mayfield, absolute dog. And then for Chargers Raiders. What are your thoughts on maybe the new kings of the AFC West?

[I]

Yeah, first off with the Chargers, like, dbut it hit it right on. Like, if you're sitting there and you were the Raiders, you're Geno Smith. Good luck. There does not seem to be any. They didn't have any. Any room to even breathe like they were on him from the jump. These white shirts just swarming everywhere you look. You could tell, like, when defenses start to feel, when they start to play well together, like 11 dudes playing as one. They all know where their help is. They all know what proper leverage, and they just fly around and have fun. That's what it looks like. When you watch this Chargers team, they turn Geno over three times. I mean, you do that, you got a great chance of.

[A]

Of.

[I]

Of winning that game. I'm just. I'm impressed with Herbert. I'm impressed with coach Hardball, how he speaks about his players as well. Obviously, we've heard him praise Hardball. Listen to him praise Derwin James. I thought it was great when he said, hey, I got all the ammo you need when it's time for a new contract because your head. The head coach has said that all of this great things about you. I think it's cool to see. Like, I think hardball also knows, hey, my guys can handle it. There's some head coaches, I think, that are almost scared to praise their own guys during the regular season, actually.

[A]

Well, I think Harbaugh would if he didn't think that this was the right way to go about it. He wouldn't do it. Like, I think Harbaugh probably thinks his Chargers team maybe. These guys been beat up pretty good publicly, you know, for the lack of living up to expectations. Maybe his strategy with this group is somebody needs to go to bat for these guys, like Herbert mostly. Like, hey, I want to build these guys up publicly so they know that I'm. I got their back. That might be Harbaugh's actual strategy going into there. Is that something to Think about. Or is that just what hardball is always like? You think?

[D]

No, I think that's a good strategy. And like you said, from where they came from San Diego to StubHub and where they've been. Hey, we're damn good, man. We're damn good. And believe it and throw it out there. Don't be afraid.

[B]

All right?

[D]

Expectations are beautiful. All right, let's raise them. Let's raise them. Let's make sure. Hey, we're a goddamn super bowl team.

[A]

We got the golden goose of quarterback. I talked to his job. Yeah. Justin Herbert. Oh, my God. I saw him. Yeah. Did the football gods craft a human for me to coach? Yeah, they did with Justin Herbert.

[B]

I mean, Joe Alt and his dad.

[A]

Yes. Hey, you two. Take your hat off. Stand back. So tall. So tall. Joe Alt, tallest guy of all time, toughest guy of all time, friendliest guy of all time. Just like he cuts promos for all of his players. And that 241 for Derwin James, let alone Quentin Johnson. They were saying that guy can't catch. Now. He is. Is one of the best weapons in all of sports. Herbert's finding his group. Chargers are special. The AFC west going to be tough. I will say. I got Travis Kelsey's new hat. Yeah. I'm not giving up on the Chiefs just yet, okay. I'm not. The moxie's got to be. The vibes got to be high as the American eagle True colors collab arrives over there in the kingdom. They got to feel good about that hat's great. They got a three quarter zip I'll wear in December, man. I got a little flannel thing I'll put up. Oh, there's a lot of options in there.

[D]

Catch the damn ball.

[E]

Yeah, ba, Maybe they got a little too much.

[D]

Catch the damn ball.

[B]

Yeah, but pretty cool, Mer.

[A]

Oh, he got that now, bro. And a resume.

[D]

The brothers are killing it, and they're.

[A]

In the middle of a dynastic run right now, obviously, but, yeah, BA's big take. I said, how do you feel about Travis Kelce's new stuff? He goes, you got to catch a damn ball. That is non Travis Kelsey. Thank you. That is not like Travis Kelsey at all. I think that's why he was a touchdown forever. Okay, so let's get to one of our favorite segments.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for BS or no BS with ba. We will present statements of fact that have been made by people thus far in this football season. And ba, it'll be your job to tell us if those statements are BS or no bs, yes. Sounds good.

[D]

Sounds great.

[A]

Let's go to the first one. Baker Mayfield has won his way into the MVP conversation. Special night on prime time. Is that B.S. or no B.S? ba.

[D]

Oh, that's no B.S. you know, the last two weeks, winning, winning ball games on the last play. Willing your team to win. All right, we're talking with. He's playing with five starters out early, two top receivers, both tackles. I mean, it's. What he's doing is amazing. And he's got to be in the conversation right now. And my hat's off to Jason Light because obviously they got some depth. Losing Clyde Jassy on defense and still stopping him. That Bucs team is, I think, for real.

[A]

We had some breaking news here during the show. Kalija Clancy that you were talking about out for the season with a torn pec that comes just after week two, after a primetime game. And obviously a big time dub that sucks on the defensive side. But you talked about wide receivers. Talk about your tackle. Tackle. Tristan Worf's one of the best players in all of ball out still. So this Tampa Bay team only going to get better? Seemingly. Has Baker ever been in the MVP conversation before? Has he been a guy that's been left out of it every year that he's.

[D]

I don't think everybody's getting. Since his rookie year, you know, and he was too young for it back then, but he's got to be in it right now.

[B]

Will this end up being the best, do you think? Trio of wide receivers between Evans, Godwin and Nbuka, when Godwin gets back, do you think that is?

[D]

Well, you got Jalen McMillan, too.

[B]

Yeah, and McMillan.

[D]

They're both out.

[A]

Is that best in league?

[D]

I think when you talk about four, it might be the best four in the league.

[A]

Igbuka. I mean, I put a tweet out last night. Is he gonna win offensive rookie of the Year? He's scoring touchdowns all the time. Has three through two weeks. He's a rookie and they're talking about him being like a vet on the field and off the field. They love him down there. And then obviously everybody was like, excuse me, is Tyler Warren play football still? It's like, you're right, I have boots on the ground. ICI on Tyler Warren, but this guy might have 45 touchdowns this year. Yeah, and that's going to be a number, especially with Mike Evans still being there. And you talked about 4 wide at wide receiver, and then they still got a run game. It's like that's going to be. He's going to get one on ones.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He's going to get a lot of favorable matchups. And him and Baker on the same page already.

[E]

Yeah. Because you still. Even though Mike Evans is late in his career, he's still a game record. He is the guy you saw. They had one of the highest paid corners in the league. Derek Stingley Jr. Matched up on him. He did a pretty good job. But that's where you're going to put your number one attention with Mike Evans. And that's where I, Booker, can definitely thrive and eat.

[A]

AJ you obviously have always been pro. Baker Mayfield, as we all have, basically, on this program, it's great to see him doing this. I mean, this is. Connor talked about it earlier. Every quarterback that has high expectations, that doesn't work out their first place is going to hope to God that they have a career like Baker Mayfield. You're talking about the depths of hell, brother. We're talking about Scott team punt block in Carol for a team. For an ass team. He was doing that willing. And then he kind of evolves, find his home. And then the owner comes out and says, this guy's the face of our franchise forever. For the foreseeable future, basically. What a time for Baker. What a run, what a story. And what a football life. Yeah.

[I]

Isn't it easy? I guess Baker's an easy guy to root for. Is it because he's, like, relatable? Because we see how fiery and how intense, how much he cares. I guess, at least for me, personally, when I. When you know that somebody truly cares this much, like, he. He's pretty. He's pretty damn passionate. And you can tell on the field, his teammates love him. I guess that's why we all love. Like, it's not a redemption story. Like BA said, he won Rookie of the Year. The guy wasn't a bust ever. But for some reason, you know, he had. He had a rough patch and Cleveland will do that to some people. And he found his way back. And here we go. He's in Tampa.

[E]

I know.

[I]

And I just.

[A]

I don't know.

[I]

It's easy to root for because he's a fun guy. I'm like, hey, if you threw that guy at linebacker, I think he'll make a few tackles or break his neck.

[A]

Try him. He's a football guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, he told the story to us a couple years back whenever we were at the Texas State Fair before the Cotton Bowl Red River Rivalry. He said that in high school. He's Playing in front of 45,000 people. Yeah, like in high school Texas football, he's playing in front of 45,000 people. The only reason why I know that he said that is because SportsCenter Next just posted that yesterday. I forgot he had said that. I listened to it. It's like this guy loves ball. He's out of the movie, the Texas movies about loving ball. So whenever, you know, he has to go on that journey of being a punt block team and then back up third, fourth string and then he gets kicked out of a town. It's like an obsession with ball kind of leads him through it all. And I think you can see that with the way he plays. Guys not scared of contact, not scared to talk shit. Everything that football is. Baker Mayfield kind of loves and embodies what a what, What a football player.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What an absolute football playing stud we have here.

[B]

The character you're thinking of is Mike Winchell. He's essentially Mike Winchell, who is the permia Panthers quarterback in Friday Night Lights if he made it all the way to the NFL. But even in that stat like we're talking about, all these guys threw a touchdown to a guy named Ryan Miller. I do not know. I should have known. I should have done my research.

[A]

Furman.

[B]

Yeah, of course, Furman. Great school. Love Furman. They always have some noise in the March Madness, but like even him just throwing it to anybody. I assume it's pretty easy when you have a Buka and Mike Evans to have tunnel vision.

[D]

Since he's come to Bucs, he's led the NFL and touchdown passes. He's led the NFL and touchdown passes in the fourth quarter.

[A]

He's the guy.

[B]

He's the guy.

[A]

He's the guy.

[C]

I also think that maybe it's a little bit recency biased because of the last two weeks, but I think he's firmly entrenched himself in that camp of like, there's always like the handful of quarterbacks where, where it's, oh, you left too much time for blank. And like now it feels like that's Baker. Like last night, just watching that game, it was like. There's no, there was no doubt in my mind. Baker's driving down the field. They're scoring a touchdown here and they're.

[A]

Going to win 4th and 10.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

You think? Yeah, right. You think Baker. Yeah.

[B]

Tackle.

[A]

Yeah. Gone. Yeah. And then he gets blown up his knee. AJ we talked about this in the first hour. Three shots to that left knee, including this one. Well, that's the first One that's early in the game. First quarter, then the fourth quarter, two massive shots to that knee. Both one off the turf whenever he falls awkwardly. And then he gets upended, flipped with a shot directly to the same. Ah, Ah. Cj, gj, you just got your ass kicked by the turf. What? You. The whole. That's him, baby. The whole thing. You know, Baker's up there and Adam, we take him back all the way to college. Baker's gonna be fiery. And he knew going in. Baker knew. CJ, GJ's on the other side. Side. Don't let him get you. Don't let him get you. Well, not only does he pick up the first down, but also that's a shot right to the knee. When they do the follow up, still planted, kind of hyperextended. That thing is going to be this big and none of us think at all that he's going to miss any time with that.

[B]

No chance.

[A]

That's a badge of honor and we hope he's okay. And if he does have to miss time, Completely understandable.

[B]

Which is another reason why we thought Cleveland was so perfect for him. Like, he's an Ohio guy. You just. Everything you just said about Baker is like, Ohio guy. When you think of an Ohio football person, when we mentioned, like Ohio folk, like, he's just a hard working dog.

[I]

What the hell happened? What the hell happened in Cleveland?

[A]

Honestly, Cleveland happened.

[I]

Guys, hey, I grew up a Cincinnati guy, you know that, the Browns. Yeah, Bernie Kozar. I watched him play as a kid, but I was a Bengals guy.

[C]

Shout out, Bernie Kozar.

[A]

Shout out to all the great Browns in the past and shout out to the Browns currently trying to make it work. But you had the guy to want a playoff to game against the Pittsburgh Steelers and then you run him out of town without everybody else.

[B]

The head coach wasn't on the sideline. He had Covid when Baker won.

[A]

Get him out.

[B]

He was at.

[A]

Yeah, get him out of here. All right, let's go to the next statement of fact on BS or no.

[E]

BS with BA yeah, speaking of another tough, gritty quarterback, some people trying to write him off. And now I'm looking at the silver lining because J.J. mcCarthy will be missing the next few weeks. Is it good for him for missing this a little bit Time. Is that BS or no bs?

[D]

BA oh, that's total bs okay, he's too young. He needs practice reps. All right? He threw 35 passes in the fourth quarter as a senior year in college and he needs reps now. He is a Dog. We know that he showed that against the Bears, but he's also too much of a dog at times. These young kids better learn how to slide quick, quick.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Can you put yourself in harm's way? Harm's coming, baby.

[A]

A lot of quarterbacks running.

[D]

Oh, a lot of them got hurt this week. You know, they probably played one linebacker in College with ran 4, 5. They all run 4 or 5.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

That's a football league. You ain't. You ain't getting away. You better get your ass on the ground.

[A]

How do you feel about him maybe getting a chance to watch, though? Like a Kevin o'. Connell? I don't know how much he was in the building last year. We assume he was there.

[D]

He got a year to watch, okay? So to me, you don't learn holding a clipboard. All right.

[A]

Mental reps. What are those? You better get your ass out there.

[D]

Do it in practice. Peyton Manning never. Kelly Holcomb never got a rep. One of the greatest statements ever. Tom Moore said, what would you do if Peyton got hurt in your backup place? We'd be. And we don't practice.

[A]

It's a great line. We're not living in our fears, all right? We're worried about racing you.

[D]

You need those reps, man. You've got to be. You got to be on the practice field getting reps. What about that guy right there, though?

[A]

What about Kevin o'? Connell? Do you think it's his offense that JJ maybe, like, do you think it's going to take some time for them to be speaking the same language? And obviously this time away from each other is cutting into that time. What do you think?

[D]

No, they need to get their tackles back. They had no tackles playing in the game, and they couldn't run the football. That was the difference between, I think, the Bucks with no tackles, they ran for 150, 60 yards. Vikings couldn't run the damn ball, and it was all on. Now the pass rush. Add him up.

[A]

So you're saying time away from the game, not good for J.J. mcCarthy. Not good at all. What we need right now is reps, reps, rips, rips.

[D]

We got to be on the practice field.

[A]

All right. Get healthy. Jj, what do you got pulling for you?

[B]

What do you think, Bruce, Just because you have been doing it for so long, what do you think about the VR stuff? Because that's like, what the.

[D]

It's fantastic.

[B]

Yeah, because that.

[D]

That's like, you were the first ones to start using it way, way back when it first came out, and it's great for your backup quarterback. You do all your blitz drills and in a room this size, just drop back, see all the reads, see all the blitzes. So it's great for your back. Carson Palmer fell in love with it. It really helped his career.

[A]

So JJ might be able to do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like the reps can also box in there too. Yeah. True thrill of the fight in VR.

[B]

Freaking beat saber.

[A]

Yeah. You can play drums too. Yeah. You can also swim. Swim in the ocean in there.

[B]

Oh, that's cool.

[A]

I got sick.

[C]

Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that.

[B]

Oh, yeah, the roller coaster.

[A]

Yeah, I got sick. What's that?

[E]

Yeah.

[I]

How do you swim? You lay on your stomach and somehow swim?

[A]

No. So it's a stationary thing kind of treading water. But you gotta do this number here to go get the places. It gets really dark in there. I. I got kind of scared, to be honest. Yeah, the roller. The roller coaster. The roller coaster one. That one made me peace. Puke. There's a new one. It's like. I don't know if it's a new one. Actually, it's new to me. Where you walk out to the edge of a building.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And then you see how far you can get out there, you know?

[B]

Yeah. There's like a plank.

[A]

Yeah, it's a plank.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're in your living room, bro. You're in your goal.

[I]

What's the goal, though? To jump and kill yourself if I'm.

[C]

In my living room, bro.

[A]

No, in the game, the goal is to get to the.

[C]

Get to get to the edge of.

[A]

The plot, get to the edge of the thing. So you're like walking out this thing and then literally you look down and it's in like, I'll say 720. It's not 4K.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

But it's good enough where you.

[H]

It's cartoony, but it's good enough.

[A]

Yeah, but it's not. It's nicer than cartoony. It is kind of realistic, but it's not 4K. And you rely on that. Whenever you start getting really freaked out.

[C]

Does it go like. If you actually fall off, are you free falling off that thing?

[B]

Oh, yeah, that building. There's a video of a guy doing this and he. And he jumps into the tv.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't doubt it. There's people that are hanging up, trying to hang. Yeah, it's pretty real in there, is what we're saying. Good reps for jj and if he wants to get a little cardio and Ping pong, Boom boom and ping pong. They got ping pong figured out. It will mess up your actual ping pong. Sure. Like, but you can play real. You can play good VR ping pong in there with 11, I believe is the game. And it's real. You play against people from all over the world. It is fantastic. Good exercise, good workout. AJ and I played against each other. But the real life ping pong game will suffer from it because you lose the touch of the real paddle. So you got to commit to one or the other. I become a full time virtual reality ping pong player.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

I now suck in real life. I don't like it, cuz in virtual reality I'm very good. So I'm real to walk. Then I come into real life. Everybody's like, come wants to come play in real life. And I can't find a table. It's like, well, I need to. What do you want from Germany? He was like 15 in the world. Okay. In virtual reality. But JJ's gonna get better out there in virtual reality. I think it's something just like the NIL transfer portal. We just need to understand this is now life. We need to get in there.

[B]

Part of it.

[A]

JJ's in there. We can be in there too. Bruce. Walk that plank. Let's see if you got it or not. Let's go to the next statement of fact, shall we?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

B.A.

[C]

A lot of people are saying that, that the, the Chiefs are ass cheeks. Unfortunately, they're dead. We just talked about it. Hey, listen, the AFC west is now the Chargers division. You know, they don't got anybody who's doing anything other than Patrick Mahomes. So I ask you, is that BS or no bs?

[D]

BA I think that's total bs. This coaching staff's way too good, man. And you know, they, they lost tough. Super bowl champs and, and the Chargers, who, you know, they had to travel to Brazil and all that. Those are excuses. But this, this coaching staff's too good. This team's too good. And Patrick Mahomes is too good. Now if Patrick Mahomes continues to be the leading rusher, they got problems. Yeah, that is the big problem. Because he's going to get hurt sooner or later. I mean, he just. Now that he ran a DB over, people are going to take some shots on him whether he slides or not. And they've got to, they've got to get a running game going to help him out. But he's just taking way too many hits.

[A]

I mean, that's three guys hitting A from the Philadelphia Eagles defense that are very physical. Your big takeaway is they're not cheeks because they're still the Kansas City Chiefs. They got too many good people in that building to be cheeks. So maybe we're putting Cart way ahead of Horse in that particular column. But if he keeps taking these. These are just. These all add up here. Now these are just shots that just kind of add up and add up and add up.

[B]

Second quarter.

[A]

And I think he maybe doesn't trust everything in front of him at the exact moment potentially. So maybe he's getting a little bit more eager to run and then he knows he's much more athletic than a lot of people give him credit for so he can make a play himself. But that's normally the mindset of a younger quarterback as opposed to a guy who's already being called the goat. How do you kind of stop that? What do you think they try to do to get him more in the pocket or maybe not as vulnerable to massive shots?

[D]

I think they got to find a running game first of all and then they got to protect him better. You know, their tackles have not played well for the last couple years and they've been searching him for a tackle and now this, this stuff is going to get him hurt and end his career. Now nobody wants to see that.

[A]

No one. No one. And they're making. You talked about Travis Kelce earlier. They're making mistakes that they very rarely. Yeah, like I don't. I think the Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Now. Did I pick the Philadelphia Eagles to beat the Chiefs? Yes, because I believe in the Philadelphia Eagle. I think Philadelphia Eagles are a very good football team, but I still believe in the Chiefs. Sounds like you do as well.

[D]

Yeah, I believe in Andy Reid and Spags and the whole crew and Patrick Mahomes.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

What's crazy is just like that you didn't really expect this massive of a drop off like when Tuni leaves, they still had Creed Humphries and they still have Trey Smith and the fact that they can't run the ball with two of the better players at their position. Right. Isn't that kind of weird? Like, why is that happening? Josh Shimmons, rookie left tackle and he made a great play. Actually he stopped to pick six against the Eagles. But like, why are they struggling if they have, you know, two all pros in the middle of their own line?

[D]

Yeah, it's. It's in your scheme a little bit. Pachinko. Get him going again because you know, he's a fireball when he gets going, it kind of sets the tone for them. And. And they haven't been able to get him going.

[A]

All right, last one here. Con man.

[B]

Yeah. BA Steel Curtain, More like soft pillows. The Steelers defense absolutely stinks.

[A]

We don't know if anybody actually said they this other than Conor. Correct.

[B]

Yeah. This is my brainchild, B.A. and was I maybe, you know, jazzing it up a little because the Steelers are going to New England this weekend.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

But sue me. What's going on in Pittsburgh, though? Everyone kind of thought, hey, maybe the offense will start slow and then, you know, the defense will kind of carry them. They'll be okay. It's kind of been flipped. Why does the Steelers defense stink out of nowhere or dies?

[A]

Hold on. The question. Remember?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Excuse me. Steel Curtain, though. More like soft pillows. The Steelers defense absolutely stinks. Is that BS or no bs?

[A]

No bs that's obs. Wait a minute.

[D]

That was the hardest watch for me on Sunday to watch that defense. Knowing that Casey Hampton and Aaron Smith and James Harrison, all the guys that have played in that defense for all the years going back to Joe and all the rest of the guys but Troy, that would they get stoned by a fullback and knock both linebackers down. The safety can't make a tackle. Seattle just ran it down their throat at home. It just doesn't happen. Yeah, I mean, it just happened and it didn't happen once. That's third and 20. Little soft toss playing for a field goal and you run it for a touchdown. That isn't Steeler defense.

[A]

What is it? What happened? How's it. Because that was 10am local time kickoff for the Seattle Seahawks. I don't think anybody gave the Seattle Seahawks any hope at all in this game. Aaron Rodgers home opener for his Pittsburgh Steelers era defense. How much money? Let's go to Hammer. Don, how much money is on that defense? A lot of money, right?

[H]

Number one in the NFL. I think it's like 150 million or some case.

[A]

I got 150 million on that defense in not only well earned, by the way, by the boys for how great they've been. And the expectation standard is the standard. I mean, two guys get knocked out and one. I think Jeff Saturday gave some pancakes out earlier because of this. But why is it. What is it? It's just attention. Is it focus? Is it scheme? What. What do you think it is?

[D]

You know, I think some of it is scheme. Some of it is reading press clippings, you know, and they can't stop the run. Then TJ And Highsmith can't tee off. They're. They're the finishers, all right? But you got to. You got to stop them first to be able to finish, all right? And they're not stopping anybody in the running game right now.

[B]

And Highsmith, too. Now, Highsmith, I think, is out four to six weeks. Right? Right, Tone? So, like, yes, they're. Yeah, they're banged up already. So Jack Sawyer gets thrown in there. He's, you know, first year this. It's going to be, you know, kind of. Kind of a. Interesting watch for the Pittsburgh defense going forward for the.

[D]

They're going to see a fullback for a few weeks. I know that.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I'm putting one in right now. So Bob plays 100 years old. Run it down the weak side linebacker's throat. Knock two linebackers down, and until they put that fire out, it's coming.

[A]

Everybody's just attacking right there.

[D]

It's a copycat leg, so we want to see it, too.

[E]

Hit that with some leverage, man.

[A]

Yeah, two guys, same AJ Coach. Yeah. AJ what the hell's going on? Pittsburgh Steelers defense, bro.

[I]

And you see that? Moving late. Look right there, Cam. Hayward's moving late. He's standing up. He's already screwed. So they can knock him down, create a huge gap, and then here we go. We're off to the races. Missed tackles.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's 22 doing?

[A]

D, but six.

[E]

That's that open field, man, these running backs, they get paid a lot of money, get drafted high, and this is why they're not paid to get tackled at open field by anybody.

[A]

That would not be fun.

[E]

It was like with AJ Mentioned earlier with the Chargers defense, like playing defense and tackle. The only time we tackle the National Football League is on Sundays or on game day. So tackling these guys, it's a team effort. It's trust. It's literally firing your gun. Hey, if I got outside in leverage, I trust my guy to be inside out, because if I'm taking on this block. And he talked about Hayward, but Wilson, if he boxed that outside in, it looks like, you know, Queen will come over and make that play. It's all. And then. And once that your guy isn't there on play eight, on play 18, now you're hesitant. Now you don't necessarily trust him. He doesn't necessarily trust you, and he just kind of piles on. But with the guys in that building, with the players in that building, they play a lot of good football. With the coaches in that building, I do think they can fix it still. What did your leader say? Your supreme leader say? Tone, it's only week two, so they.

[A]

Can talk about Aaron Rodgers, I believe. Wow. In the long run, this will be good. I don't know if he's supreme leader or Coach Tomlin would be considered that over what both of them may be supreme leadership positions over there. Is that practice trust, confidence. How's that? Why is that? Why are people not.

[E]

It's practice. It's meetings. Is. Is walk through, and then it shows up on Sunday on game tape. But it. It only, you know, you don't. You have that little inch of doubt, and then it can kind of grow. But once you start making it like that Chargers defense, that team, like, you know, everybody, regardless, we don't know all the names. The guys outside of. They trust each other. They trust, hey, Hart's gonna be out there. Gilman, James. Like, all these guys are gonna be in their position, their place. So I can go and fire my gun because one on one, me and Walker in the open field, it leans to him two on one, three on one. Now it's in our favor.

[A]

How about BA Saying that's no BS Brother.

[B]

Didn't expect that.

[A]

That was another segment of Is it BS or no BS With BA hey, we almost got through at that time.

[B]

I know it's on me hand up.

[A]

No, but the first three times, it was me, so don't you worry about it. Just. We always want to ask a question, but it's a statement. It has to be a statement, because then the statement's either BS or no BS but we always want to turn it into a qu. Then it's not. So we've ruined the segment. The first few weeks. This week, smoothest we've had.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

By far. No questions asked. BA did great. You know what else was great? Watching West Virginia beat the hell out of Pitt. What a game. What a moment. What a time to be alive. Hard Edge is seemingly back in Morgantown, West Virginia, and we're all thankful for that. That are Mountaineers fans. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of the Mountaineer football team, Rich Rodriguez. How you doing, Coach?

[G]

Boy, you look good, Pat. You look great in that sweater.

[A]

Good.

[G]

Good to see my friend BA as well. We. We go way back to our days back in Lake Oconee, Georgia. You know, going over to Gabby's, having a. Having a cocktail or two, playing a little golf.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

It's great to see you.

[D]

You too, brother.

[A]

Hold on now. So I know BA Is a noted club thrower and club drowner. Okay, if it has to happen. I couldn't even fathom you on a golf course. Are you a. What is the. What is the spirit or the mood in golf? Do you try to be good? Are you actually good at golf, or are you just out there having a good time with B.A.

[G]

No, I mean. Well, I don't know what B.A. he probably lies on his handicap like all the other coaches. I don't know. I mean, I was okay, you know, but I am a little. Probably, if there's a little money at stake, I'll get a little ultra competitive. I've only broke two clubs, just two. And one of them was an accident.

[A]

It.

[G]

But I hadn't. You know, that's the worst part about, you know, taking a new job, Pat. Hell, I ain't got time to golf, which is ridiculous. I got to make time to golf. So I'll. I'll find time. If we get to a bowl game or win some games, I'll find some time next summer for sure.

[D]

Come on. Come on down in February, bro. I'm not giving you any strokes either, okay?

[A]

See, he's hustling, too. He just shot his age twice already this offseason. I mean, he's balling right now in the course, obviously.

[G]

He is balling for sure.

[A]

Well, I appreciate you not golfing and focusing on turning around that program there. Watching along this weekend, the emotional journey that you were on throughout the entirety of it all, I assume was a lot afterwards. We saw some tears, we saw some real pride, some real fulfillment. It felt like out of you. What was that for your team and how did it feel in that locker room afterwards?

[G]

Yeah, you know, Pat, it. Well, I didn't, you know, it's obviously not scripted, but I was probably. I didn't realize it till I. After watch some clips of it afterwards. I wasn't. Was a lot more emotional than you think. After 300 some games as a head coach, you, you know, it all kind of feel the same, but I was a little bit more emotional. And I think it's maybe, you know, it wasn't just because we won. It was our rival and all that, and there were 60 some thousand people in the game so important and everything like that. I just think it was a combination of a lot of stuff. It was, you know, being gone for 17 years, you know, seeing. Seeing what everybody put into this program, people like yourself, how important it was for us to. To play well and to represent West Virginia the way we need to be represented. And so it was. I mean, every. They say every game Counts as one. This one might be counting a little more than one, you know, and. And the folks started tailgating last Tuesday and, hell, they haven't left yet. So it's been. It's been a wonderful few days. You know, obviously, we've turned to page now, and I'm moving on to Kansas on the road this, this weekend. But. But for. For 24 hours, it was a hell of a time.

[A]

Yeah, I know you're just trying to get a first down against Kansas. I. I know that's what you got to think about. And I appreciate you acknowledging how big of a game that was, because I think to everybody that was following along with your journey and our journey as Mountaineers as a whole, and our story and our team and the way everything that has happened, that game was huge. Also being on September 13, 9, 13, you know, the whole. It was a massive weekend, and especially for you, reinstated, stating who you are and what your team is. I think it was a big weekend, man. Legit.

[B]

It should.

[G]

You know, we're. When we play them again in three years, we're gonna be a whole lot better football team in three years than we are now. So this is the toughest time for us, you know, is we got 77 new players, only have one guy that started any football games. And so, you know, this was. This was good for us to try to, you know, to get a win, because we got to wait three years till we play them when we know we're going to be pretty solid, salty. But it was a physical game, too, if you notice that, Pat. They get. They had an inordinate amount of people there got hurt all the time. I saw that some snaps, there was two or three guys that were getting hurt, and I was, like, amazed at that. And then their training staff must be the best in the country because they all came back in the game. It was phenomenal. How, How. How fast that that medical staff of theirs got them healthy again to get back on the field after all those injuries.

[A]

And we will certainly take their information that they have to become a better medical staff everywhere else. I think if they have any secrets to take care of these guys so quickly, we would like them to share that for the good.

[G]

I'm like, yeah, I'm like, they got the worst luck in America. There's a guy falling out on every snap. I mean, I've never seen nothing like that. So it was a hard edge.

[A]

That's a hard edge. He's back, you know, he can't keep up with it. That's Good news.

[G]

Something else?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, was it. Yeah. Okay. Watching your team, you talk about it being super physical. You had, like a super jumbo package. When did this come to mind? How long have you been doing this? I don't think I've seen this in a while.

[G]

Yeah, we had. We had like 3,000 pounds of beef going in. We actually did something similar to the last couple years at Jack State, but then we had. I got a couple. One lineman, that Donovan has one. He's two. Two cheeseburgers away from 400. And then another linebacker is a cheeseburger away from 350. I'm like, hell, let's just, you know, BA will tell you this. This football is a game with big people moving other big people against their will. So I'm like, well, the more big people we can have in there, the better we have. So the. The formation is called heavy, of course. Right? Heavy. I could call it just fat.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

Just our fat package. But that may not be politically correct, but. Hell, who cares? But we called it heavy to be politically correct. And. And so we have nine guys. But I'm trying to get. Get 10 guys. I might have one where, if I could find one of those fat guys that could actually carry the ball, I'll have 10 guys in there. So that would be the fat package. And we'll hand it off and block with all fat people.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

Actually, Nico is not. Nico's not slim. He's 225 pounds. So he's on the borderline of a quarterback being, like, fat. I say that in a kind.

[A]

Yes, we all know, and your players all understand at this moment, too, what it is. Anybody's ever played for you, understands exactly what you're saying.

[G]

Is that fat spelled P H, A T. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Powerful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Powerful. Yeah. Fat. Super cool, too, to do something new out there. Yeah. And if you get a 400 pounder with a ball in his hands, I'll tell you what, college football people will celebrate that. And I hope you're, you know, that heavy package through the holidays might become, you know, Thanksgiving, Christmas, let alone Halloween. Holy beast package.

[G]

Yeah, there's. And there's a lot that we could sell from that and T shirts we can make. You can imagine the marketing things like, you know, let's get fat. You know, let's go Mountaineers, let's get fat. And then, you know, let's.

[A]

AJ Has a question for you. Coach.

[B]

Yeah, Coach.

[I]

Winning a big overtime game against a rival like that, I guess for some of the younger guys, a lot of like you said, so many new players. What does it do for you guys? Confidence. I think, like, great teams have to find ways to win. You have to win many different ways. You can't just be front runners. You got to learn what it's like to come from behind or win these close ones. But what can you guys take from that? Can they build a bunch of confidence winning like this?

[G]

I think so. That was. Obviously, anytime you win, you're going to get a little bit of confidence, but. And then when you lose, you maybe lose, lose a little bit of confidence. But I tell everybody what we have to rely on is what we do every day. You know, what the way our practices go, I tell our guys we're. We're a little unique in how we practice. And then we had good practices last week. You couldn't tell the difference between last week's practice and the week before's practice. And I think that's got to be who we are every day we do what we do, we go how we go, and hopefully we can play well enough to win a game and keep playing. And then, you know, a typical coach be week that, you know, I tell her, guys, I told him before the game, it's gonna be a game. Don't look up at the scoreboard, all right? Just keep swinging, keep playing as hard as you can. Then after 60 minutes, you can look up. Well, that was wrong. It take more than 60 minutes. So I said it takes 60 minutes and overtime. Then look up the scoreboard and see what happens. They truly. I think they really did that. They just kept playing hard until the final whistle.

[A]

Tell me about Nico. He's obviously big, strong qb, stuck around from last year, which I think we all appreciate. Then also, Scotty Fox gets some burn at the beginning of the second half there. I don't think he played the week before all those decisions. What goes into it and what are your thoughts on the quarterback room?

[G]

That's the other part, Patty. You realize, like, you know, most people say, well, you take your quarterback out and put another guy, you're going to destroy his confidence. Well, yeah, maybe he destroyed my confidence too, you know. So I think there's times where our quarter. But people don't realize in practice this is the way we roll. Roll our quarterbacks and we roll in them out. And I tell them, if you make a mistake or two, I'm not. We're not going to pull you out just because you make a mistake or two. Sometimes we. We're just going to try to make a change and Make a spark or maybe it's a certain number of certain plays that this quarterback can do really well. And so Nico understood that, you know, when he, when he was taken out, it was to try to get a little spark with Scotty, but it was also because a couple different plays we wanted to run. And I wanted Nico and all the other quarterbacks to stay engaged. Well, he did. He didn't. He didn't go pouting like, gee whiz, you know, he stayed ready.

[E]

He stayed engaged.

[G]

And then when there's six minutes ago, whatever was in the game said, hey, Nico, you're in. It's your time to go get it.

[A]

He.

[G]

He attacked it like, like the, like the person he is. And. And it was a great lesson for all of us, for all of our players to see how engaged he stayed in, made a couple great throws and like that same throw right there and led us to victory.

[A]

Yeah. You know, you've been very open, seemingly about liking the whole quarterback room. Room. Anybody that knows you, though, with how competitive you are, you want somebody in that quarterback room to take that job. You would like somebody to become the guy in that room. I would assume not 100. Sure, but I would assume that is the case.

[G]

Oh, you're. Yeah, you're 100% right. You know, somebody to kind of sees it and grab it and. And, you know, we had really seen that yet. But maybe in the last six minutes, Nico is taking that step, you know, which is really neat to see. But I want those other quarterbacks, you know, Pat, to be as competitive, like, shoot, I'm not done competing with this thing. We got a lot of games, a lot of football left. It's still going to be wide open, so. But at least for one day, Nico took charge. At least for one quarter, Nico took charge. And that's a positive sign.

[A]

Yeah, it definitely is. Big time win, a big time moment. I think it was the most people that have been in the stadium and years and years and years. Obviously the checkered was awesome. The environment looked electrifying. I wish I could have been there. There. Ollie Straw, your punter. Did you see that catch he made?

[G]

I didn't. I knew it was a bad snap and he had made a great catch. Then after I saw a picture of it, it was like, that's got to be like a specialist, like, poster thing kind of deal.

[A]

Yes, definitely. Especially all football players, not just specialist. Okay, that's two points right there. You almost lose all. He's strong. Yeah. At least.

[D]

And he was.

[G]

And he was. He Changed the field, too. They had good returners and his location on his punts was next level. So it was. Yeah, it was really neat. And it was neat about the crowd. I tell Everybody there were 60,000. That's what the stadium holds. I think it was actually about 65,000 there because they're like 4,000 in the end zone. But 10 years from now, there'll be 600,000 that say they were there. That kind of atmosphere.

[A]

On that note, BA's got a question for you.

[D]

Yeah, Coach? Do you think this is going to be the hardest week. Week you have as a coach? I know going back when I was at Temple, we had a big win and, you know, guys didn't come down till Thursday. Well, that's too late. We just missed two days. And get your guys. I know you probably already had one good practice and how's the practice going the rest of the week?

[G]

Yeah, that's the perfect point. Ba. That's like. Yes, they go, we have one day off is Mondays for them. So Sunday we had a walk through and I could tell they were still high off the game kind of deal and excited and we turned the page a little bit. But Tuesday and Wednesday, today's practice, tomorrow's practices is get after it. And so I may. I don't mind yelling anyway, but I. That's probably a feeling that I'll probably be. I'll be into today's practice in their grill a little bit if. If I need to. It doesn't bother me at all. But. So today and tomorrow will be the true test. But you're right, this will be the challenge. And. And I didn't bother me at all.

[A]

I can't wait for you to the patent on your back and stab you. Yeah.

[G]

The whole sit in hand, that kind of deal. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's gonna be one of those days. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[G]

Get pissed down my back, tell me it's raining and all that kind of stuff.

[A]

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Headlines. Oh. Oh, look who's good. Someone's a good football player. Oh, Nico. Oh, yeah. I cannot. I. I hope you're miked up today. Obviously, Raquel will control what gets out and what does not get out. I think she's doing a great job, by the way. You should tell her that. And I saw Miss Rita celebrating there after. I think that was probably a big win for her as well, if I had to guess, for the entire family there.

[G]

Yeah, the fam was there and we, you know, the fam was here, was nice. And I had some Buddies of mine that came from Arizona, some buddies of mine from.

[B]

From.

[G]

From in town. And we smoked ba. We smoked some good cigars till about midnight. And then we all realized, damn, we're hungry. I hadn't ate since 88am and like, what the hell's open? And so there's an Applebee's like a mile away at 12 o'. Clock. And thankfully the chef was still there. So we kind of barged in there and ate some Applebee's at 12 o' clock at night. Had a grand time.

[A]

I'll tell you what, if you have an Applebee's that has a chef. Okay. A cook, baby. Yeah. And a bartender.

[D]

The main thing, brother.

[A]

Yeah. Big door, brother. Hey, we should be pit. We're having a good time out here. Hey, who sent me. Somebody sent me a video from your cigar smoking session. I don't have the number saved, but it looked like it was a great time you guys were for. Literally, I. I got a video from it from a number I do not have saved. I was so happy you were enjoying the moment though. I want to let you know that.

[G]

Yeah, you know, I probably all coaches you, you, you try to move on to the next one, but like for four or five hours after that one, I wasn't thinking about anybody or anything other than my, you know, my friends and, and what just happened.

[A]

Yeah, let's go to Applebee's here. It's good enough for mcdc. It's good enough for me. Let's go. Let's go to Hammer. Todd. Todd, ap Todd has a question for you. Coach.

[C]

Yeah, Coach.

[H]

Earlier we were talking with BA how. And how he kind of split up the season into quarters. You guys just ended non conference. You're about to get into your tough conference schedule. So does your. Does your thinking. Does your. How you're coaching the kids, does that change at all? How do you break up the season now that you're into the conference schedule?

[G]

Yeah, for us it worked out just perfectly with our three non conference games being in the first. First quarter and I said the first quarter is over. There was some good, some bad, a lot of stuff that we're learning get better from. Now we have our conference play on the road and we play a team that's really athletic. It's had an open date, two weeks to get ready, you know, and at home opener for them in the. In the conference. So it's going to be. It's going to be a big challenge. So maybe being on a road, I think somebody already said we're like 14 point underdogs or something like that. So you know where we go out there. Got something to prove again this weekend.

[A]

Oh, I think somebody said we're two touchdowner. I think somebody said. Did somebody said, somebody said that? Yeah. The boys will know that, that we got no chance this week.

[G]

No chance. You know, I hope we can get a first down. You know, I hope that, you know, everybody comes out of the game healthy. That kind of deal.

[A]

Be a fun trip out there. Beautiful campus too. They got a great big investment from their boosters.

[G]

They have a huge, huge investment. You could tell with 300 million dollar donations or something. And, and they've, they're, they're putting it back in their athletic program. So it's, it's neat.

[A]

Yeah. Hopefully you guys will be able to compete out there. Ty actually has a question about that.

[C]

Yeah, Coach. On that note, Pete Thammel put out a tweet I think yesterday that basically said, hey, West Virginia has. They've pledged that they're going to be in the top funding tier of the Big 12. Like, obviously, as a coach, that's a big part of it now is, you know, not only the recruiting, but the fundraising. Was there a conversation there where it was just like, hey, listen, we can, we can say whatever we want, but at the end of the day, like, if we can't compete money wise, then guess what? Like, we're not going to compete for Big 12 championships. And how good does this feel, knowing that you have the pledge from the university? That's like, you know what, we're going to take care of that aspect.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

You got to be, as a coach, you want everybody to be aligned in the, in the same thinking. You know, whether it's your administration, your board, your coaches, your players and everybody like that. And we're running a business now. Let's, let's be honest. And it's, it's a business and it's an expensive business. And, and if you want to compete at the highest level, you got to make an investment financially. And, and that's why I feel good about our administration, I feel about, good about our board is they know that that's what's got to happen. And you're seeing what's happening at Virginia Tech and, and you know, they're trying to do the same. They're trying to get everybody aligned the same way. I'm just blessed that we're aligned here and that we got great support and we got people like Pat and everybody else that, that loves this school that's going to help us compete in this new era that we're going to be in because we're in, we're running a business now and we, we've got to, we've got to have the financial resources to compete at the highest level.

[A]

On that note, this logo is beautiful. Goes great on a hat. You can certainly buy any of these hats. They are available everywhere. And the fat package shirts, phat certainly. Yeah that'll certainly be available as well around the holidays. Maybe some Black Friday specials if you needed. Like you have had that mindset though and I think it's maybe because you're a Jack State or whatever. Like hey, we gotta drum up, we gotta do this, we gotta run this as a business. I think you've been very forward thinking in this entire thing. And is that because you're from had to go through a smaller school in this era and keep it all or why do you think you are that way?

[G]

I think just more than anything Pat, every coach would say what, what I gotta do to win.

[A]

Win.

[G]

You know what, what, what does it take to win? Used to be, well, you got to recruit at high level which obviously you still got to do. You got to evaluate a high level. Now you better make sure you evaluate the right ones if you're going to pay them a certain amount of money. And you got to be able to have, you know, schemes that could help you win if, if you're competitive enough. Like what's the rules? What, what are the rules that we got to have that follow and then how do we take advantage of these rules to be as good as we can be? What does it take to win?

[A]

Win?

[G]

What does it take to win? It's as simple as that. What does it take to win? And, and if you don't press that part as a coach, you can just say well tell me this is all we got and just accept it. Then you know, you're not going to be coaches that think they can outsmart people and win because they're going to be smarter than you are going to be the ones that aren't going to be doing it for long. You better know what the hell you're doing but you also better have a whole lot of help to get you there if that makes sense.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm excited to see what you grow out there at hard edges back proved it this past weekend. And on that note with the ever changing everything is a whole new world than it was maybe 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Go ahead D bud.

[E]

Yeah. We're talking about much more of a business now than ever, but more important than anything. We talked about it kind of with the Pittsburgh Steelers and that defense is the trust and kind of that team building. How do you kind of expedite or speed up that process with all these new players? And now, like you said, entering into this conference play now, how do you do that in this, this era?

[G]

Yeah, everybody says, well, nowadays you can't coach the guys as hard as they can't as you want to, because they're getting paid and they could transfer. I'm like, you can coach them harder because they're getting paid. You know, I mean, they got, they got more to lose now if, if they're not playing or if they're not, you know, making. Maximizing their, their abilities. And so I tell our guys, sometimes you, you know, you got to tell them why you're getting on their ass a little bit or. And all that, where in the past you just tell them and they, they'd follow you, you. But we, our culture, I told our coaches and it's still true because we know there's going to be some tough moments in this first year or so. I said, we cannot do, we cannot sacrifice our culture. We can't ever have a guy be lazy and soft and not say something or a guy not do his best and let it go because we're afraid to hurt his feelings or afraid of whatever a financial ramification might be, he might be leaving, whatever. You got to have the right process and the right culture, no matter who it is. And once they understand that and they're part of it, then they'll be the ones that help you make sure that's help held every day, that the new guys, that right now, they're all new, so everybody's got to learn it. But eventually it'll be just a handful of new guys every year that have to learn the way we do stuff.

[A]

Do you have anybody hosting any camaraderie, building cookouts at the end of training camp, any of those types of situations, you know, know that maybe the entire city comes to and, you know, the football team celebrates in a front yard with the entire campus at the end of training camp, Any of that type of stuff happening? No.

[G]

Hell, when I, when our guys get to an hour or two of free time, I, I realize they like to have their free time. I don't have a lot of long, long meetings. I don't have a lot of long talks or anything like that. It's like, you know, most of the guys I talk just. Hey, you got a couple hours free time. They. That's valuable to you. Go have your free time.

[A]

Yeah. And maybe have a party too. Let the boys enjoy. Don't be setting any couches on fire, though. They're fining kids.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. Yeah, they're. We don't like. I don't like money being taken out of anybody's pockets. Certainly have a good time, but it's also protect the city. Okay. We appreciate the hell out of you, coach. We will continue digitally on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney plus and Tik Tok Live. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one. Goodbye. You see that there a. You see that countdown at the bottom? Oh, good wave. Look at you. You hit a wave. We're still alive. We're still alive. We're still alive. That is a good wave, though. That looked very, very natural there. Yeah. Yeah.

[G]

Presidential wave.

[A]

Yeah. Just trying to get a first down and nail the wave on the way out of the entire thing. Coach, I. I was so happy watching the end of that game. A lot of moments where I wasn't. And then Ohio, obviously, the week before, like, what a gut punch to the entire thing. And I think AJ Was trying to reference this as well. After you win and you prove that your style can win, players more naturally buy in. I think, like, I think it's like our hard work paid off. Like, when you see success for all the shit that you're going through, you're more naturally to want to continue to do that, I think so. When I. Whenever a game like Ohio happens and I think they got a great team, Navarro gets hurt against Ohio State, that's a whole different. Whole different story. If he doesn't get hurt, I think they're a good team. But a game like that can be devastating to a build of a culture. I think from outside looking in, especially with what it was with Neil Brown versus what your culture is, I think it can create or generate a potential. A lot of people going, I'm not doing all this shit. It's not working. After that pick game, was there a sense of, like, justification or fulfillment maybe from the boys, from all the hard work? Because I know shit the Is not easy compared to anything else that they've done in the past.

[G]

I think so because of just, you know, being in the locker room. You know, there's nothing like a winning locker room. You guys all know that. The winning locker room. But the number of guys. Players that came up to me and was say. Was hugging me and saying, coach, I just absolutely love it here. I love what we're doing. You know what I mean? That was unprompted. They didn't have to say that. And. And I told her, guys, it's not totally ingrained in. In the. In the program like it needs. Needs to be. I mean, it's getting there, and I got a great staff and everything like that, but it's. It's still a process to get it to where the hard edge, if that's what you want to call it, mentality is ingrained in our guys every day, every minute of every day, no matter, you know, the game or whatever it is. And that. That's the process that we got to go through. That's going. One game's not going to change that, but one game sure in hell can make a difference, and I think that's what this game should be to do for us.

[A]

How about you hit getting after it out there, letting the boys know, we got a little wiggle. We got a little wiggle under this West Virginia Southern hick accent in here.

[G]

We don't. We don't dance on Tik Tok, but in. In the winning locker room, we're dance our ass off.

[A]

Cheers, Beers. Mountaineers. Congrats. It was great to watch you, and I'm happy you're enjoying the moment while also understanding we got to get a first down against a team that. That's two touchdown favorites against us.

[G]

Touchdown. Yep.

[A]

Two touchdowns.

[G]

At Kansas. At Kansas.

[A]

Two ts.

[G]

Two touchdowns. We'll be ready.

[A]

You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the West Virginia Mountaineer football team, Rich Rodriguez. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Thank you. He's.

[G]

Let's go.

[A]

Yep. He's hilarious, dude. Hilarious.

[D]

Love him.

[B]

The fat. The fat thing. That was incredible.

[A]

And the reason why I enjoyed it so much is because hearing him say that about somebody in real time in practice is one of the most, I would assume, scary things for said fat person, but also from everybody else. Hilarious delivery. And, like, the reason why I think sports coaches feel this is because being in shape is a massive piece of Rich Rodriguez's entire thing. Like, the reason why those guys were hurt so often is because West Virginia is running. Like, you got to be in good shape to be a part of that offense. Like, that is just what it is. All off season, I think they only did six hills at law school. Hill. We're doing like 12 of those back in the day. Big guys. Dn like, every. Like, we are conditioned this team. I stopped playing soccer. Okay. Had way more offers to play Soccer than I did for football. Only had a few for football after kicking camp down in Florida after I won it. And I'm like. Like, you know what? Got a strong leg. The thing I don't love about soccer is having to run seven miles. You know, I'm a little heavy. My knees. It's not my. I love kicking a ball, though. Like, I enjoy boom football. This is. This is the avenue. And I get dropped into the West Virginia football strength and conditioning program two months or a month out of high school during. Before the season starts. And I'm running more than I've ever run in my entire life. I mean, we are. People are puking around me, and I'm still in soccer shape, so I look good at all these things. But I remember thinking to myself, like, this is fucking way worse than soccer ever was. This is a fucking nightmare. And that's like, a part of what Rich's thing is. Hard edge is like, we're gonna be. We're gonna be in better shape than you. We're gonna be tougher than you, and we are just gonna pound the shit out. Like, that is the mindset that he is trying to create. So whenever he calls a guy fat ass, that. That is it. You are fucking the entire team. You or you right there, because we can't depend on you. Now, I assume he's going to say it's because the modern generation, we still got guys that just stay fat somehow. So him having to use. All right, you want to be fat? You think that we'll fucking put you in back. I want 10 fatsos out here. Just meat moving meat, is what he said. I feel like whenever he thought of the idea, he had such an epiphany. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

All these fatsos are now for good, not for bad. What he means, though, is heavy and can move, and he's not scared to do that. He'll do that right down the entire field. That was my first time seeing him do that. And as soon as I saw it, have success. I'm like, rich will run that play 30 straight times from his own goal line all the way to your goal line if it works. Because that's, like, what he wants to do. What a coach, you know, obviously through a lot of different situations. And he was out in Arizona whenever you were coaching the Cardinals and obviously mentioned a lake out there in Georgia that a lot of you guys live on, and it sounds like a great time. But he. I think in the football world also, a lot of respect for everything he's done. The Spread offense that we ran back at West Virginia. I think he started all the way back at Glenville State, maybe in the entirety.

[D]

Like he invented tempo.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

People talk about tempo. They're all, they're all copying Rich Rod. I mean that's the guy that said we're not stopping. Next play's up. Let's go, let's go, let's go. And all these young coaches, okay, this is the way to play football. And it's kind of just took over college football. And he's always been successful. He's always been a great coach.

[A]

He's a dog too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every day he's a dog. 5:30am he's on the stepper in the middle of the weight room. So when you roll in there at 5:40 for your 6:00am workout, there's a guy already glistening in the back. He's got a towel over his shoulders and it is at max difficulty, max speed. And you just see him back there and it's like that is the one that's leading the pack here. He was supposed to be a drill instructor. He was supposed to be especially his way with words. He can piece swear words together better than anybody in history. And I did wonder if the modern era would be good for Rich Rod or not. I thought maybe he wouldn't be able to coach. And the way he talks is like maybe not all guys but like our guys that, hey, you rally around that.

[D]

Oh, definitely, man. These, these kids love discipline. They really do.

[A]

Some the guys that are great.

[D]

Yes. And, and they just don't them. Don't, don't them. Rich is always going to say the truth. It's going to hurt. He's going to hug you later and make sure you're okay. But if you're a fat ass, you ain't going to be one for long.

[A]

Or you're not going to be a part of the program.

[B]

One of the two.

[A]

You're going to be of a part. Part of the four offense. Four touchdowns that we score with your package. But literally you're in there just as a shield, a meat shield literally for everybody else but he is.

[B]

Hey, yo, almost got £3,000.

[A]

What's going on? A meat shield is crazy in his head. When he drew that up, it was big circle. What is that? That's our fat ass offense alignment. What's that? That's another one. One. What's that one? Three what?

[E]

90 Cheeseburger Way.

[A]

Put him right there. Another one. What's that one rookie that. Yep. Put him there and then somebody was like coach, there's six more. I know. We're putting them here. We're putting them here. Putting them here. Then we're stacking them here and here. And then what are you gonna do with the ball? We're gonna run it is what we're gonna do.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

And they did it. Yeah, they. They. This thing showed up on. On. On my television screen and I started dying laughing. I'm like, of course. The tush push now is just. It's evolving.

[E]

Take me off the field.

[A]

You.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get another factory here.

[E]

Get another safety here.

[D]

Get me out of the field. The beauty would be one of them fast son. Basically be able to catch.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

And he'll catch touchdown pass if he blocks really well.

[A]

Well. And also if he got a guy. Yeah. He'll give him a little treat. Hey, hey, you do this good on a treat. You're this good. You'll. You'll do one of these old fridge. And then all of a sudden we got one of these right at the back of the end zone because everybody's coming up. It's. But that's going to be a few weeks of just.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Ponding lot of this right there. Kansas. He loves that. They're two touchdown underdogs. That's a lot. Just going to try. Yeah. They got 300 million. He knew exactly. Yeah. I think they got $300 million donation. I think they got Lance Leopold. Great coach out there. Yeah, they got it all figured out, dude. Beautiful. It's our home opener. It's going to be a great environment. Yeah.

[D]

Quarterback just take stop too. Hell of a quarterback to stop six.

[A]

Year Jaylen there is he. Did he get hurt? No, I don't believe so. No. Other. I hope not.

[B]

Other Jalen Daniels J did a lot of names.

[A]

It is especially. I'll tell you what. Game day beginning of the season boy. Just swimming on every once. I know the last name and I think I know what the first name sounds like. And then I'm like not going with it going last night. Not, not not doing it. And it's like that those decisions are happening every single sentence. You know, just as we go. That is a lot of fun to learn about all the new storylines. It like game day literally get the rundown on Friday for what the show is going to be or whatever. And then Friday night is just like what team am I learning about tonight? Or teams. And then like watching all the movement that is taking place and all the things that have happened. It's so much fun to Learn all these storylines. I think the nil and the transfer portal is making the sport more electrifying, you know. And I think free agency obviously is something in the NFL that is highly regarded. Free agency frenzy is one of the biggest days of our off season. It's a Monday, it's at noon. We got counter programmed because maybe we couldn't handle it or something like that. But that's how big of a day it's is in the world in college. If they're able to get this free agency right. Okay. And they have a window that is actually part of it. Now you're talking about college football having a similar to the NFL football of a year round. You know, they can, they can set up this calendar where college football can start becoming year round excitement as well. I think we're just at the beginning. I know college football has a lot of tradition been around a long time. It is incredible. We are very lucky that we get a chance to be a part of college football at all. We. I feel that way. We feel that way as a whole. With the amount of history, pageantry, tradition. It is different than any other sport in America. It. It is the greatest cult sports cults in the world is college football ones. Hooligans and soccer. I get it. It's your entire town. I agree. You guys are very passionate and very entertaining. That's like what? 40,000 max? 30,000. 40,000 max.

[H]

The bigger stadiums, they're growing.

[G]

But not up to a hundred thousand.

[A]

No, we got 102,000 is what Tennessee was. It's the eighth largest in the world. It's the third largest in the SEC. So it's like the college fans are just like insane. So I don't want to say that we're just at the beginning of what could be for college football because obviously there's deep history, a lot of it. But it's like in this modern world, I think what college football is going to be, it's only going to ratings up 21% week one, probably another 20 week two. It's like they can always. This free agency has made teams good out of nowhere and has a lot of storylines kind of develop on it. Like Songa Politelli's free agency is going.

[B]

To be must follow anywhere he wants to go.

[A]

And it's like that. He's not the only one. There's going to be other guys in there. College football has a chance here, I think to be not. I'm not saying it hasn't had a chance, but I'm just saying can really cement itself as the number two sport in the world. Like NFL soccer. I know. I mean, you get it. Number two sport in America by far is like NFL football number one. College football number two. And then everything else. I think we're in a good time for ball.

[B]

Yeah. I hope they made the right decision. Like, I feel like it's kind of right there, very plain and simple. But you mentioned like the college football history. I just worry about the ncaa. Like there has never been a time where there's been like, NCAA has done a good thing again, you know, that's.

[A]

Yeah, but we're in a new era.

[B]

We are with the same people.

[A]

Up Charlie.

[B]

Charlie Baker. Yes. Great. I got no faith, unfortunately.

[A]

But yeah, but they might have no say.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Hopefully they don't get pushed out.

[A]

Listen to B. This is the first time he spoke about this. 20 years as a college coach, they have no say.

[D]

NCAA is basically toast. I mean, it's going to be. Be the Big Ten, big sec, whatever. The other two conferences. Those commissioners are taking over football.

[B]

Yeah, but when are those TV contracts up again? We just looked at this like they might be toast, but it's still another 20 years.

[C]

32.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, the NCAA ain't saying shit to Sankey and those guys, they running, they're running college football now.

[A]

NCAA coming up to Sankey. We're gonna need you to look into whisper school. I'm gonna need you to look into a lot of other shit.

[B]

Yeah, shut the fuck up. How about that?

[A]

Don't listen.

[D]

We got it discovered.

[A]

Yeah. What do you run? Oh, the one that everybody hates. We are the one, everybody. Why don't you let us maybe look into this? Petiti, also with the Big Ten, incredibly, I think good at his job, but also knows that he has a lot of say in power. I believe Sankey and Petiti on the same side of a lot of things. A lot of issues. I think they understand that Big 12 commissioner, I think he, he's in it too.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he's in it with Sanki.

[A]

And the ACC commissioner. There was one drive down North Carolina where they were almost the strongest conference in all football.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

And he knew that he still. Hold on.

[D]

Still got Florida State and Miami in there, so.

[A]

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

[D]

I don't think Clemson's dead, but they're close.

[B]

They're dead, Bruce. That boy's dead.

[A]

I don't. I think he can stay at Clemson for however long he wants and who knows what the future looks like. Post cade clubnik I think. How many years is this last year for Kids club, Nick.

[H]

It's got to be.

[C]

It's been there for 10.

[B]

Yeah. I just hope it's.

[H]

To be honest, it's only his third year starting. Did he start as a true freshman.

[A]

Is what I'm trying to do, remember?

[H]

So, yeah, I mean, I guess he could actually.

[D]

He took over dj.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Let's go one more year down here. That's right.

[B]

It just be sweet for a fresh start. Like, I think it'd be like, not, you know, hey, Dabo, you know, it's time to go run him out of town, but more so like splitting for both of them. Like, hey, this has been fun one. I think maybe I should go back home to Alabama and coach the Tide and then see what happens.

[A]

Clemson still has everything in front of him. They're the reigning ACC champs. Okay. Is what Dabo would say. Can we all relax real quick?

[B]

We've seen it.

[A]

You see Ryan Williams on that? Yeah, that was.

[B]

I've seen Ryan Williams do a lot of stuff.

[A]

Yeah. This. This. You see him do this right here?

[B]

Yeah, I seen him do this. Yeah.

[A]

Does he have Dead Big Ten?

[B]

Does he have.

[A]

Wisconsin stinks. Did you see that? They were counting this as a part of the Big Ten SEC football battle.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it wasn't.

[A]

I mean, like, did you see that, A.J. yeah.

[I]

I mean, technically it is.

[A]

That's big tennis.

[C]

But he. But AJ Knows, too. Like, when he was playing, like, when I was in school too, Like, Wisconsin was awesome. Like, they've sucked for five years.

[I]

They were scary back in the day. Their offense was awesome. They were mean and they ran the ball.

[A]

Okay, So I understand what you all are saying, and for that reason, what you're saying about Wisconsin being a perennial, you know, through it all, they were viewing this as sec, Big Ten. They put it on the stats. They said, this is. If we're going to keep score here between the north and the south in football, Wisconsin's representing the Big Ten. That's what they said.

[C]

No, I get it.

[A]

Let's.

[E]

Let's.

[C]

Let's keep track in December. Okay, let's keep. Let's keep track when it matters not Week two, week three, you know, I mean, who gives a.

[A]

Well, they're saying the sec.

[E]

They all matter.

[A]

Oklahoma get a big one.

[C]

I get it. Do we want to look back at what O they did to Tennessee when it mattered most? They embarrassed them like you would not believe. And that was kind of our whole thing, was, hey, this is cool. This kind of when it's hot outside, when it's, you know, negative 10 temperatures and you got to go up north and there's maybe snow on the ground and maybe the ground's frozen. Is it the same thing?

[A]

So that is an interesting conversation piece that's going to start around a college football playoff and I will certainly be a part of it. Where the conversation has always been the SEC teams far superior. Okay, we got 300 plus thousand stadiums down here, places packed out, history of football down here. During COVID you guys didn't want to play your remember Big Ten said we're not playing. Kevin Warren, president of the Chicago Bears said, us and the Ivy League aren't playing. Everybody should give us a round of applause. Greg Sankey said, hold the applause for me. Then we're playing football. So that's the difference between SEC and Big Ten is how people in the SEC feel. Then you start looking at the five stars and where a lot of these recruits come from. The SEC for a long time they said if they were to play, what would the sportsbook say are the favorites? Strictly off the rosters. What has now been entered into evidence is, well, maybe you can't have 11, five star, four, two runners on the field for Big Ten teams because it becomes four degrees outside and football is a little bit different. So whenever you're judging rosters, does the 4, 2, 4, 3 across the board matter as much? Because the Big Ten team saying, are you able to run like that when it's frozen? And also when we start hitting you in this freezing, does it matter? Two different footballs. Yeah, these are two different styles of football completely that have to be judged at the end of the day on who's better. That is a wild scene because if Ohio State has to go down to Tennessee, what happens?

[C]

Yeah, they might get stopped. Who knows? I mean, I doubt it. I think Ohio State.

[A]

I think Ohio State. Ohio State's the one.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. They were the one team.

[D]

Just look at the two quarterbacks.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, come on, Will Howard versus yeah.

[A]

But at that time, the forgotten man. Yeah, yeah. Nico Yamaliava, forgotten man.

[D]

He's looking to transfer again.

[C]

But Ohio State is also one of those teams who, who could compete in the sec, you know, like they're an.

[A]

SEC school in the North. Yeah. Which is what everybody talks about. But it's that northern football.

[C]

Who gets a home field, it makes a difference.

[A]

It is a huge.

[C]

And we'll see.

[A]

Different world.

[I]

It's a different sport almost. I think about, like, think about playing in September and 72 degree weather compared to what we were at at Ohio State when they played Tennessee. Like, there's some guys that the second they walk out on your team, they walk out of that tunnel for warm ups and they're already done. They already quit. Like, well, I hope somebody else makes a play because I'm sure as hell not making anything today. Like that's. That legit happens.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Never explained those games. We almost never had. Like, really? Really? Because, you know, season will be over once you go bowl season. Like those are in warm weather, states and cities, the most part. So you never. I played at Yukon and I. I rarely played in like snow. I don't think I ever played in a snow game or like below 20 degrees or anything like that. So, yeah, it changes everything. And then in NIL as well, that kind of can kill the SEC's.

[A]

You know, coach Saban talks about that, about how the territorial advantage that the SEC had with the amount of dudes coming out of different states, pockets South Carolina ls, Louisiana, Florida, obviously in a big way. Georgia. Tyler Atkinson. We just. Yep. Met him. He's what, six'4,225 as a high schooler. It's like these pockets of talent across the south that exist obviously. And obviously the north has places as well. But they used to want to stay home, want to stay home, want to stay around family, want to kind of represent. Now Penn State shows up and goes. Home's cool, right? We can, we can build a new home, can't we? How much money they offer? We got 2 million more a year. Is that what you want? We can get it. Yeah, sure, we'll build. Yeah. Your family come up, we got a house for them too. Now all of a sudden you're close to home. Yeah. Now you got a new home. It's Happy Valley. Congratulations. We're painting Oregon. You ever been west of Alabama? Nope. You ever been west of the Mississippi? Nope. Come on out here. Fly all the way up. Yeah. Come on out. This is Uncle Phil. He founded Nike. These are all the uniforms you're going to be wearing. This is the Nike deal you'll have whenever you become an NFL player. And oh yeah, we can move your family out here. And this is the amount of money that we are willing to pay you if you would like to do that. I don't know what LSU is offering. I know Brian Kelly's a great ball coach and everything like that, but we're just telling you this is also an option. It has evened the playing field. Oh, yeah, definitely.

[D]

It's changed it totally changed it.

[A]

Totally. Yeah. I think I'm excited for the College Football Playoff chatter, especially if Notre Dame goes on a run.

[B]

Yeah, can't do it.

[A]

They went out by 40 every game. They got USC, they got Pitt still. They got Stanford, Boston College.

[I]

They went out by and they win some of these big ones they're in.

[B]

What big ones?

[E]

Usc, man.

[I]

Usc.

[C]

The Jewel Chile game.

[I]

It's a big game, right?

[A]

They're very good. It is very good.

[B]

USC loses two games and that game's done.

[E]

Yep.

[A]

But they're not going. So people are saying USC not being treated with enough respect.

[B]

I bet they're scared. Schedule is much tougher than this. If we look at their side of it in the Big Ten.

[A]

AJ to what you said there about them getting in, that is exactly what Tone said as well. If they win all these games on primetime television, everybody sees it. It's going to be hard at the end of the year to be like to win a fight where there's going to be too many people fighting for the Irish Catholics, I would assume. Yes, but they need a lot of these teams to win games.

[D]

They got to score 40 once before they can do it twice.

[A]

That's what they got to do, though, Coach. That's what they got to do. Truth carrying water, Tone, Is that what you're saying Tone was carrying?

[B]

What are you saying? We're saying no way they get in.

[H]

You're saying that?

[A]

Yeah, Tone, you're saying they're in. Huh?

[H]

I mean, it's the exact same as last year. So I don't know what they made it last year.

[A]

Right. Am I wrong?

[B]

They lose. Who are the two? Last year? They lost it?

[H]

No, they only lost to Northern Illinois. So, yes, one loss versus two. But I. I think a of lot loss to Miami and A M is better than one loss in Northern Illinois.

[A]

Depending upon how Miami and Texas A M end up.

[C]

They.

[H]

Miami is, let's say Miami one loss or undefeated, which is definitely doable. And then A and M's got three.

[A]

I like Texas A M's team. I thought everybody was going to pick them over Notre Dame. I. I think. I don't know if I told a story on the show or not. I walk into production room, give picks. I'm like, texas A and M over Notre Dame. Is everybody picking that? Like, nobody's picking that. All right. Okay, wait a minute. Nobody. This is. Yeah, nobody like, holy. Georgia Tech ever glimpsing everybody's feeling this way? Nope. Holy. Obviously, West Virginia ever Pit. There's a couple people that Coach Saban's got to be pulling for West Virginia. No, he's picking Pit too. What? Everybody's picking. Holy boy. It would have been nice if Tennessee wins that game. Game. You know, because they posted this, said, hey, he want lone wolf multiple times and actually got it right. And then the comments immediately were just, who's that coming down the track? Oh, what do you say about the Tennessee Georgia game? What did he pick? Did he pick the Bulldogs? Did he. Did he pick Georgia to be Tennessee? No, he picked Tennessee him. That's what everybody said. And they're right. They're 100% right. We gotta make that kick. Oh, boy, I felt so bad for that kid. Hypo. Five yard penalty, seven seconds left. Just kick it at seven seconds. What are we doing? Hypo will learn obviously from that situation going forward. But if you go out to run a play with seven seconds, I guess to get it down below five seconds. So it's definitely the last play of the game or whatever. So you have a walk off. I get it. But if a penalty happens, I think you got to commit to the bit there. I think you got to throw that out of bounds. I think you got to get the bad juju from the penalty away from. From the field goal kicking operation right there personally. Yeah.

[D]

Just take the ball, throw it out of bounds, kill four seconds.

[A]

Boom. Then get the kicker to come out.

[D]

You don't throw it to anybody. Just throw it out of bounds.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's not after a penalty. A penalty backing up is the worst thing that can happen for a kicker. Ball moving further away, you got a harder shot. So I think you just need to separate that from. Even if a nothing play, I think you just need to separate from the vibes, but nonetheless make the kick and they win. Tennessee still very good at football. That was a fun game to I was an electrifying game. And that kicker bounced back in overtime and it's. And get proud of him for doing that. But that was a great game that I thought Tennessee was going to win. And inevitably Kirby Smart still got the dogs down there in Georgia.

[B]

Pretty crazy it happened to Sagap's team in Cal. The. The. They were playing the Gophers, Minnesota and they were in like a dog fight. It was 00 or 7 nothing with like a minute left in Minnesota scores and California to, you know, score right before the half. They go all the way down. There's seven seconds on the clock and they just run a five yard out. Get you Know, a little extra room and then they make a field goal, like barely, but by doing that. And it's like that situation happened on. I. I want to say it was Friday night, not Saturday night, but it might have been Saturday. But just thinking of that and then not happening on the biggest. Yeah. In the biggest game, you would think.

[A]

Yeah. But you gotta remember all that's happening so quick.

[B]

So, so quick.

[A]

All that shit's happening so quick. It is like very much in the moment. You don't expect somebody to false start like, hey, there's seven seconds left, bro. Let's not. What are we doing here?

[B]

Georgia Tech, we didn't even talk about that.

[D]

Their fire drill, one of the best.

[B]

Them running out to beat Clemson.

[A]

Perfect. Yes. Perfect execution. Georgia Tech, by the way, I love awesome. What they are cooking out there. Yeah. 23 seconds at this time. Third and fourth. Fourth quarter, you got no timeouts. No. You got to run a NASCAR situation. Fire drill is. Whenever there's a bad snap. NASCAR here going to have full time to take steps. Probably. Yep. Takes a little three steps back. Going to be a big one here, brother. To beat Clemson in front of your crowd. 55 yards. Snap. Hold.

[B]

Gimme that.

[A]

What a kick. What a win. What a game for Georgia Tech. And I would like to let the world know or reiterate what I said on Saturday. Haynes King doing that interview with us while he was spinning it in the middle of his warmups, keeping his train of thought while also communicating with wide receivers on what routes to run and the person getting him the ball. This guy is a Sunday guy. Yeah, that felt like a Sunday guy. Whenever I was watching that and I literally was picking Clemson and then we did that interview and immediately afterwards I'm like, I'm betting on that guy right there to beat them. I like the cut of his jib. I like what Georgia Tech has become down there.

[D]

Coach Ke's done a hell of a job. And man, just go back to that Georgia game last year. What, six overtimes, whatever it was. Yeah, that. That was almost to get the program changer. I think this game's the program changer for Tech.

[A]

I think him coming in on game day and having that interview made me a much. This was awesome. I mean, he was just so casual. I love when you guys do this. One of my favorite parts of the entire show. Yeah. But usually it's ass, right? You know, Usually. Well, the Tech was really good for this one. Yeah. Because usually there's a delay or usually people are a little bit too intense or Locked in. And you know, it's kind of like going or I'm not saying ass like it's a good conversation, but it does feel like very forced. It's very like it's not smooth the way he was just going through his drills. It didn't feel like we were impeding on his pregame, which sometimes if you feels like when we're talking to people it's like, oh, he's still getting his work done, still getting warm. And also how confident is this guy? And this is game day against Clemson. Yeah, this is huge game for him. And he's just locked in that close.

[E]

103,000.

[B]

Yeah, it was like Billy Napier when.

[A]

You, when you did, he almost hit that.

[E]

It looked close.

[A]

I couldn't see it. We, the TV we were looking at was real small. So I was waiting for a reaction from others and everybody went, whoa. And I was like, is that a hit or not a hit?

[E]

And then I was waiting to hear it, but it looked like it was close.

[A]

Haynes King definitely was close.

[B]

He probably nicked it.

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[C]

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[A]

Yeah, yeah. Great. Nice little.

[B]

It is.

[A]

That's 47 year football coach Bruce Harris. Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler. The toxic table at Boston Connor and that Ty Schmidt. That man right there is AJ Hawk. And live from Hammer is AP Tone. Tone. Great work on the college ball. Thank you, brother. We did a lot of college talk there. Let's do some talk Brady talk, shall we? The goat.

[D]

The goat.

[A]

This guy who has obviously seen it all, done it all and obviously experienced it all. A man who will be remembered as the greatest football player of all time because of how Many rings he has won. And the way he went about doing his business is that of perfection. It's called the Patriot Way. More so the Tom Brady, Bill Belichick way. Now, Tom Brady, former player and owner of an NFL team, we as ex players are all incredibly pumped for. Hey, baby, Tommy boy. Tommy, Tommy. The greatest of all time, also committed to becoming a color commentator for NFL games in a big time spot. Number one guy for NFL on Fox. We appreciate the goat giving back to the sport and teaching us the way he views football. Hey, baby, Tommy.

[B]

Tom. Thank you.

[A]

Now, those things kind of battle against each other when Tom Brady is an active NFL owner, not just a angel investor, not just a laissez faire owner. This dude is on the horn, a part of game planning, allegedly with Chip Kelly three to five times a week. And then when the interviews were happening for the coaches and everything for this new era of the Las Vegas Raiders, he, Tom Brady was the one doing the interviews with Pete Carroll, amongst others, to kind of run that team. So last night, prime time Las Vegas, we see Tom Brady up in the coach's booth with a goddamn headset on and a suit.

[E]

Whoa.

[A]

The suit is a headset on, sitting right next to an assistant on the offensive side. He can obviously drop in at any time and tell Chip Kelly, hey, I don't fucking like it. Why aren't we scoring any points? The Chargers defense is really good. Oh, are they? Everybody's really good at the NFL. And if he wants to call a fucking play from up there, if he wants to drop it and say some things, he certainly can is what everybody assumes. As soon as we see him in the coach's booth with the headset on, and we know that that booth with all those microphones on the sides of everybody's head speaks directly to the sideline. This guy's a part of game planning. This guy's a part of play calling. This guy's a part of hiring. This guy's a part of strategizing. This guy also was part of the New England Patriots that had how many gates happening at certain times throughout their run of their dynasty? A lot of them. We ain't letting this fucking guy in our building to let him do his color commentating bullshit. It was a big deal last year. It was a big conversation piece. Then it kind of just kind of got wiped out of the rug and kind of we move on. He got paid 375 million to call games. He's the greatest of all time. We're going to let him call games Let him do that. Now it has been reissued basically from the NFL. Just a reminder as everybody starts heating up the conversation. Tom Brady's not allowed in these buildings. Remember we allowed him in the production meetings via Zoom or FaceTime, but he's not allowed in the buildings, he's not allowed to walk around them because the conversation immediately led to him sitting in that booth with a headset on. To all these coaches around the league not wanting this guy to know anything about their team, what he's about to call the game. He has to know about your team. We don't give a fuck. Okay? He's got the Bears, I guess, coming up in a couple weeks. Guess who else got the Bears in a couple weeks. The team that he owns and the team that he strategizes for. So Ben Johnson is obviously not somebody that is kind of loosey goosey. I think he's pretty. I assume he's not going to say shit to Tom in these meetings. How do you view this all going for Tom Brady and should we have expected him to be this hands on whenever he was named an owner of the Las Vegas Raiders?

[D]

Oh, definitely. That's what Tommy does. I mean he doesn't do anything half assed. Now Tommy's full speed doing it 100%. Now when you're coming back to do a production meeting, that's a whole nother story. No, hell no. You ain't getting in the building.

[A]

Okay, so he's Tommy, but you ain't.

[D]

Getting in the building.

[A]

So he's not allowed in the building. Okay. I think the NFL said that once again, we haven't had him.

[D]

He has not seen Friday practice.

[A]

Okay? Not seeing Friday practice. You're not seeing our best plays, not seeing what we like the most in red zone. You're not seeing who. Maybe we're trying to maybe hide a little bit and get in there for future reps, but you are in a production meeting, in a Zoom call what, what comes from those and how will people treat those? You think with Tom if you were.

[D]

I think it'll be total.

[A]

Okay. Everybody would just be lying.

[D]

Yep, totally. And he's not going to get any information for that.

[A]

People really pissed about this, him in the coach's box, I would assume.

[D]

I would think so. I, I would think that that's. That changed the whole narrative of being allowed to come in, not being allowed to come in. This changes everything.

[A]

D But I think I even saw the Internet being like, this guy shouldn't be just walking around. Last night I think I saw that kind of happen in real time time with Tom Brady. Did you as well?

[E]

Yeah, I did. I saw it a lot and I understand it. There is a huge conflict of interest and we know not even. Even if he didn't with the Patriot stuff and all the gates that you mentioned. Yeah, you, you're definitely concerned with that if you're.

[B]

He didn't.

[E]

If you're an opponent. But this for me, just like BA is expected. You. You didn't expect Tom Brady to half ass do this ownership thing. If it, if it is a guy that can do it. We always hear it as players, as coaches. Hey, it's nobody, you know, bigger than the shield. There's nothing bigger than the NFL. This is a guy won seven Super Bowls. He went to 10 of them. This would be the guy that can kind of get away with anything. He's, you know, been a part of, part owner of the Raiders. There was another owner there who was a maverick and kind of did things his way. Al Davis, we saw the Jerry Jones docs. He's a. He's did his things his own way. Tom Brady, in my perfect football story, he would be the next maverick and just doing things completely outside of the box. Like no one has ever done it before and he's earned their right to do it. So we'll see how long he. He does both. If I see him giving up one, obviously it'll be, you know, leaving the booth and then just being more of a full timer. Maybe he's on the sideline with a headset. Maybe he just steps in at halftime and takes over play calling. Who knows what it'll be. But I'm excited about this next chapter.

[A]

With Tom Brady for the betterment of the game. Him being the next outlaw and not just going along with everybody else says will certainly be the case. I mean, that would make the game better. It's like whenever they were changing numbers and changing rules and changing everything, he was very outspoken about this ain't how this goes. I love that he has that mentality. I like that the NFL has come out and said we're not letting him in buildings. He's not doing any of that. Pete Carroll came out, I guess. Andrew Siciliana is reporting. Tom Brady is not planning games with us. Is he planning games with Chip maybe? Yeah, he did say that. He says not playing games with us, but we were told that that's what happening. And in the off season before the combine and everything, everybody that was around the situation was saying Tom Brady very hands on, involved in all of this. So conflicting reports, I guess. And I'll trust Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's. I like Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's never lied. Maybe Tom Brady should be playing games with you. But if he's not, but if he is, which is what everybody thinks, I think it is a huge talking point about him getting access or knowledge or anything like that. I think that's why it got so big last. Well.

[B]

And Pete's saying, you know, Tom Brady's not game planning with us. Well. Well, Pete, you know, Tom Brady beats your ass. He beat Chip Kelly's ass. He beat. What I'm saying is he doesn't have to game plan with them. He can game plan on his own. He can. He definitely doesn't need the help of those guys to create his own game plan for a team. But like breaking, breaking, breaking.

[A]

Saying before you go any further, Vinny Bonsignor, okay, He says Pete Carroll said the reports that Tom Brady meets three or so times per week with Raiders OC Chip Kelly to go over film. Game plan is not accurate. Okay, so we just gotta say twice a week.

[I]

Yeah, twice a week.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Like, no matter what the assumption is going to be he's doing.

[A]

Shregs broke this news.

[C]

He did, yeah.

[A]

So this is Shrag's news.

[E]

Wait, Shreg's book broke the original two.

[A]

Or three during the game, I think. Correct.

[E]

And then this is Vinnie saying.

[A]

No, that Pete Carroll just said. Pete Carroll's talking to reporters, I would assume either right now or last night. And Bonsignor here, paisan, he is currently reporting what is coming from the press. And Pete Carroll saying, who's. Who's that? Shrek's. Shrek said, no, I'm the only Pete around here that knows anything. Is what Pete Carroll said about Shrek's report.

[B]

Seemingly, yeah. But that wouldn't be as weird if they didn't scrub the Internet. Of all the tweets about Brady being in the booth in the coach's office, I believe. Believe the NFL deleted a tweet with that involved in it. And there are other things, like, so that. That makes it more seem like a spin. And him. Him saying, yeah, they don't meet three times a week. To what AJ Said, the immediate thought was like, okay, well, they meet once a week and we can't assume anything.

[A]

The devil is in the details.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. And four times. A lot of things, you know, a lot of things that maybe be conspiracy fodder, if you will. Just kind of putting my hat on for a second. Brady did Hire Pete Carroll. He was a. A huge part of all of the hiring process for the team. Who's the gm?

[D]

John Spytech. They played together at Michigan.

[A]

Came from the books.

[B]

Spy tech.

[D]

Great, great gm. Gonna be a hell of a deal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Does he have any assistance?

[A]

Technology, perhaps? Oh, spy technology. Oh, is it right there in the name? It's always so obvious, isn't it?

[B]

Isn't it?

[A]

It's always. It's right there in front of us.

[B]

And Ben Johnson. Yeah, hey, he's gonna. Ben Johnson's gonna give Brady bullshit. Well, guess what? Brady knows what's bullshit then. Hey, Chip, they're not gonna do this, this, and this. Cause this is what they told me.

[A]

They were gonna do.

[B]

So, yeah, maybe he will get nothing out of the team meetings, but boy, oh, boy, we don't know how the goat thinks. He might think completely different than everybody else, and he might be able to get information.

[A]

BA do you BS or no bs? Tom Brady can get a lot of info from a building if he's Keller commentator.

[D]

No, terrible. Can't get anything. And. No, but I'm saying I don't think anybody gets anything.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. In general. Not just Tom Brady.

[D]

Not just Tom Brady.

[A]

Commentators.

[D]

I mean, I did those things for how many. How many years? I would tell the truth sometimes because I knew they thought I'd lie, you know, and hey, this is gonna be the first play. Nah, bullshit. Now. We ran it anyway.

[A]

Okay, so that. That meeting is a. What happened happens in those meetings. I've never been. I've sat in a couple for the games that I called, but I was always like, third person. So they're trying to get info on what your strategy is or injuries or how.

[D]

Mostly injuries.

[A]

Who's.

[D]

Who's going to be on game day, roster, who's. Who's inactive. You know, what do you think? This week? And of course, nobody tells them anything. It's a. To me, it was a waste of time. I did it for a year. I was like, I should be out on the golf course.

[A]

How about walking around the building like those Friday practices?

[D]

That's totally different. Friday practice, you see everything. All the important shit, you know, red zone, two minute, all your gimmicks, your final drive. Some people, they'll go through their script on Friday. Now that's big.

[A]

Big.

[D]

That's big. And. And seeing who's out on the field.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

What the hell are you doing playing that position? All right, where the hell is Derwin James? I'm watching for that you know, so yeah, being at Friday practice, that's totally different than a production meeting.

[A]

And the NFL saying he's not allowed at Friday practices. He's only allowed on zoom calls in a production meeting.

[B]

Yeah, but the guys that he works with can. So there's no way those guys tell him anything about what they saw.

[A]

So now Tom Brady is being paid 375 million by Fox and now he picks up also spies for him and spy tech for the Las Vegas Raiders.

[B]

No, no, the guy he calls the game with, what's his name?

[D]

Kevin Burkhart.

[B]

Yeah, Burkhardt. Does Burkhart go to the practices on Friday? So would they not communicate about what he saw? I mean, I'm not saying this is going to happen. I'm just saying like this is like the Internet. This would be.

[I]

Don't you think Tom could give him a list? Hey, Burkhart, check this out. Check out who's playing nickel in this situation, who's doing that. And then, I mean, you could do that, but come on.

[A]

But how much. How many reps are badging getting, you know. Yeah.

[B]

Are they still motioning Loveland or.

[A]

Yeah. What is the thought? Does it seem like there's a little bit of a short leash on Caleb before we play? Is there? Let's look around. If he's offensive line and Caleb, can you get the interaction between those two in between drills, can you see how many people are letting trainers kind of squirt the water in their mouth? Yeah, you know, can you, can you show me all these things? Kevin Burkhardt, I don't know if he would be able to see all the things that Tom would probably factor not no shot at Kevin Burkhardt. And this isn't a shot at non player journalists or non coaching journalists. None of those things. But I think what, what they fear, what he fears is Tom, because of his knowledge of the game and being there, doing that, he could potentially see some.

[C]

Oh yeah, like.

[A]

And it could benefit the Raiders immediately is what all football people who are paranoid to begin with, I mean, those.

[E]

Production meetings and Friday practices, you know, coaches and players, you worried about that getting out, you know, within that 48 hours before the game, once the game is played, you're seeing all those different things. So like those though, that's the vital time, 48 hours. So once Sunday happens or Monday, whenever it is, and the game's being played, like you're going to see who's playing the nickel, you're going to see who's calling the plays, you're Going to see these different things. So if you're going into the game, if you're playing the Raiders that week and getting that information, that vital information that you know that you don't know that you're not going to see until game time, that's when it matters. But outside of that, you know, it's not that, not that big a deal.

[A]

I don't like that headset on upper, but I like that he's spreading the game worldwide.

[C]

Yeah, that. That was awesome.

[A]

What do you mean he's taking a fanatics flag football superfest right over there, Saudi Arabia. That's right, taking it global. Here's Tom Brady yesterday alongside Turkey Al Sheik and announcing Riyadh season is officially welcoming food football to Riyadh yesterday.

[E]

I've always admired the power of flag.

[B]

Football, the fastest growing sport in the.

[A]

World and how it connects fans of all ages.

[E]

And I want to help continue the.

[A]

Global movement and momentum that our game is having.

[E]

So I'm very excited to announce that.

[A]

I'm coming out of retirement and teaming.

[E]

Up with his excellency Turkey alone shake.

[A]

Fanatics OBB media and my friends at Fox Sports to launch the fanatics flag football classic which will bring American football.

[E]

To the Middle east on March 21, 2026 at Kingdom arena in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia as part of Riyadh season.

[A]

Way go to taking football worldwide. Worldwide. I don't know if every word sounded natural coming out of his mouth or not, but I do know it's a huge, huge announcement for football and also for a lot of guys to profit mightily from the sport of football. And maybe this does take over the entire Middle east as our new favorite sport. With that being said, the NFL has come out with a statement on this particular superfest. Fanatics made us aware of the event, but this is not a league initiative. It's up to the individual individual clubs to provide clearance for their active players to participate. I think a lot of X players are going to be playing this. A lot of stars will be playing this. I cannot wait to see how it all comes together. And congrats to Tom getting his deal. He might be owner of whole team soon. Especially if we're doing heading up a deal with Saudi Arabia.

[D]

That's a lot of cash.

[A]

Yeah. They got a couple coaches. Yeah. I assume the super duper festival is doing it. Yeah. There's going to be a couple out there too. Yeah.

[D]

Nope.

[A]

Why not? I don't know. Pretty good.

[D]

This is my job now.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

We'Ll see. This actually Might be awesome. I mean, I'd much rather watch this than like the ufl and that's kind of, you know, the. The same time period. So we'll see. I mean, Satan's playing in with it.

[D]

Coming into the Olympics and everything.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

It's gonna be big.

[A]

Huge.

[C]

I saw Saquon is one of the names. I think Matt Max Crosby was one of the names.

[A]

Yeah. McCaffrey, Miles Garrett.

[C]

Look at some of these.

[A]

I mean, huge. And I like. The NFL has come out and said the teams are allowed to say no is what the NFL basically just. We would like to just let everybody know the teams are allowed to say no if they'd like to. That is our stance on it. But big names, big partners, big money. Yeah. Big for the game, you know, I like that that is happening. Soccer, golf, tennis, other sports. Sports. Football now. Yeah.

[B]

Grow it.

[A]

Getting a chance. Why not? Good for the sport. A lot of money for those people.

[B]

Yeah, it's going to be real tough when they're. They're playing, you know, Dubai Week 8. But hey, it's not me you're talking with.

[A]

Saudi Arabia's team. Yeah, the fanatics flag football team.

[B]

I'm assuming if, if this goes well, you know, 2030 international game. I assume they send one over there.

[A]

I will say Tom Brady and Gronkowski look good. Good still. Oh, yeah. Every time I see him on camera together, throwing. Throwing new. Tom's throwing a Gronk. Had one down in New Orleans, I think across the street. Where was it?

[C]

Yeah, it wasn't.

[A]

That was like last week or whatever. They did one last week and then they did one to announce this flag football thing. Little lower. Catch. Yeah. Rob Grunk. They're gonna win. Whatever team they're on, I'm thinking is gonna win.

[B]

Who will they play if they start.

[A]

Taking their players and doing what? Flag football super classics.

[E]

Yeah, just go over there and play flag football. Play four games for $55 million.

[A]

We talked about this for the WNBA, maybe 100. We talked about this for the wnba with that three on three league. Yep. It was like, so they're gonna make more money to do three on three than they're gonna make in the wnba. How long before the three on three thing becomes the thing? They're like, no, they're committed to building WNBA. They're making. Making 50,000 a year here for how many games? And then over Here they're making 250,000 is what you're saying, for this money. Yeah, but that's just an off season thing. We'll come out. It's like, okay, yeah, I'm happy to hear that. I'm happy to hear that. Both are gonna.

[D]

Money talks.

[A]

Exactly, exactly. And you know, Saudi Arabia, obviously, with golf, was able to get a lot of golfers that. Notable golfers. Not everybody, though. Soccer. They've gotten some notable soccer players. Not everybody, though I assume all their sports. It's a similar story for football. This one feels like it is just going to be like, event driven as opposed to full league stuff. But what if the crown prince, God bless him, sees flag football and goes, I like the sport. What is this? Let's do this one all of a sudden, Tyreek Hill. You're not happy in Miami, me? Boy, do we got a league for you. Here's $150 million for one season, and you're going to be untackleable. You're actually playing for the Crown Prince team. Yeah.

[C]

He's throwing you the football.

[A]

We're not going to talk about that. We're not going to talk about that. That is not. This is good for the growth of the game. It's not going to take over the game. No.

[B]

Well, no. No matter what. This would. I mean, this would only happen in, like, April or May when they.

[A]

Yeah, but what we're saying is what.

[B]

Happens if they did a c. What.

[A]

We'Re saying is what happens, though, if a crown prince, God bless him, falls in love with the sport, you know, like he did with soccer, like he did with golf, and says, you know what? I like this one. This is fun. Because they're airing it out. Oh, Tom Brady's gonna.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

They're rushing in that. Don't they rush?

[D]

They rush in that. That's the one thing I said when Tom said, I'm gonna come out of retirement. Miles Garrett's gonna be chasing you.

[A]

You.

[D]

That's going to be easy catch.

[A]

No, I got to be on his team. Miles got to be on his team.

[I]

Got to count steamboats or what? What do you. How do you miss?

[A]

No, it's like Saudi Arabia. If you watch the high school kids, it's like, bam.

[D]

And they're after you. So the quarterback's always running around. And that's not Tommy anymore.

[A]

What is the high school rules. How many Mississippi?

[D]

I think it's at one.

[A]

Just one.

[I]

I think it's like seven yards back. I think if you're like seven yards back. I mean, flag football and my little kids played. If you're like seven yards back, you're the. You can blitz from, like, A cone.

[A]

Yep.

[I]

Behind the line.

[A]

What if it is. They count in Saudi Arabians. What if it is 1 Saudi Arabia, 3 Saudi Arabia.

[D]

The ball's gone by then.

[C]

I was going to say probably request.

[A]

Probably three Saudi Arabia.

[H]

The Mississippi of Saudi Arabia is the Wadi Al Ramah. So they will count one.

[A]

Three wad. Yeah. So it's probably three. If I had to guess before they're allowed to rush Miles Garrett. Got to say it too. Got to get it right. One wall. Nope.

[B]

No. Yeah. Don't speak Mad Max.

[C]

Are going to be trying to do that.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Mush it up.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

No, go back.

[A]

Go back to the code, Max. Crosby's definitely not wanting to go three. Wally Old Ruama.

[C]

No, he's not doing it.

[A]

No way. He's not. They're going to need do that for.

[B]

Tommy Ball with a llama. No way.

[A]

That's not it. That doesn't count.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

No way.

[E]

Did you fact check that, Tony?

[A]

Yeah. How'd you get that? Did you say what is the Mississippi of Saudi Arabia into? No, I.

[H]

No, I googled what's the largest river in Saudi Arabia.

[B]

Oh, smart.

[A]

Well done.

[E]

Smart.

[A]

Is that why it is Mississippi we count is because of the river.

[H]

I was. I was just trying to go apples to apples.

[A]

Yeah, but is that the proper.

[I]

I always said one like Ohio river, one Ohio two. That's not enough.

[A]

Yeah, but I don't think.

[B]

Yeah, but they're not as big as Pennsylvania and Monongahead.

[A]

I come together to form to Ohio, obviously three gray rivers that come together at one point, downtown Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania, we all love that. But I don't think it's one Mississippi because the river is. I think it's because of the name. Just because it's so cool sounding.

[H]

I always assumed it was the river.

[D]

Owed to the river.

[A]

So it's like one Mississippi river, two Mississippi rivers, three too long. So they just got rid of the rivers.

[C]

One Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi.

[A]

I mean Brett Favre might have created that.

[C]

He might have.

[A]

That might have been his entire thing. Nobody talks about his contributions with the state of Mississippi like that. Well, yeah, he might have created Mississippi down here. We don't know. We're not 100. Sure. So Wadi. Hola llama. What was it?

[H]

Wadi Al Rama. But yeah, I just looked it up. Apparently they were looking for a four syllable word.

[A]

Oh, that.

[H]

That timed out to be about a second and one Mississippi was about that.

[A]

So. Okay. I thought apples to apples that with rivers just. Just randomly know.

[H]

I still stand on it.

[A]

And that's why we Love you. Except for the river.

[H]

I can't stand on the.

[A]

That Jean. Good, good. Then he went out there and just.

[B]

Oh, yeah, the M, Mississippi, JC walk.

[A]

Was he onelegging this thing or was he. Oh, yeah, I forgot. Who was the Jack Easter be?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

One fish, two fish, red fish, blue.

[A]

Fish walking on top of him. That's blue fish. He's still breaking down the game. I got a text every once in a while. Jackie. Sweet. I feel blessed, really. They're very long ended depth. He. He's still breaking noseball. He's breaking down the game. Yeah. I don't even know what the number could start with. Yeah. But I.

[E]

Is it Houston?

[A]

That's kind of my issue. I don't save phone numbers enough. So then if a text is coming through with a number. I don't know, I. I'm going to say this now. Not enough people are going to hear it. I'm not reading it. Okay. I am so sorry. I just. I should. I know that I should, but. Boy, that one's probably not getting read and I don't like it. But every once in a while there'll be like an incredibly detailed stat about football as the first sentence. It's a number I don't have. I crack that thing open and there's a lot of detail and I get to the bottom. Hope you're great. Jack Easterby. Hell yeah. Like hell yeah. God fucking bless you, man. Thank you for all that.

[E]

Try eight, three, two.

[A]

Okay. It's a good text. I mean, he's got a lot of information in there. Wait till you guys hear this. He's his own stack guy.

[H]

Is there a word that you remember from the text that you could search maybe?

[A]

Jack Easterby, right?

[H]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Oh, we found.

[I]

It says bless you or something at the end.

[B]

Oh, wow, look at that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Don't do that.

[A]

Jeez, that's on me. Yeah, but it's. But it's a. It's a. It's all stats. It's a scroller. Yeah. Holy.

[I]

Like is Hembo is getting from Hembo or what?

[A]

Yeah, with ideas too. And like, hey, remember these people did this. I'm like, holy. I think I'm supposed to pay for the information you sent to me, but thank you, Jack. God bless you, Love ball. God bless you, BA. All right, let's get the fuck out of here. BA do you want to do a giveaway or no?

[D]

Sure.

[A]

What do you want to do? You want to putt? You want to throw?

[D]

Oh, we're definitely Putting today.

[A]

Okay, here we go. Okay.

[I]

Don't use that big old belly putter. Don't use that. Adam Scott, do whatever he wants.

[A]

Okay?

[E]

Watch that, Jabba.

[A]

Well done. Look at these shoes.

[C]

Pretty clean Doc Martens.

[A]

There we go.

[I]

Good choice.

[B]

Come on, B.A.

[A]

All right, B.A. okay, take the glasses off so you can't see. You can do where that front one is if you want. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Do you want to count this one or is this practice? This counts.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

Okay, you gotta go.

[E]

Freebies.

[B]

Move up a little.

[A]

Yeah, I think you should go up to where the black dot is. Yeah, Black dot is. Yep. I want. What is he, one of four.

[C]

50.

[A]

50. Yeah. Two of four. We'll give 15 people $500 to repost this post. Say something nice to somebody and put the easiest way to pay them. All you got to do BA is showcase that smooth, buttery putter stroke. Marry two out of these four and 15 people will be happier. Those shoes are spectacular. Oh, yeah, these shoes. What are they?

[E]

Jimmy choo.

[A]

Jimmy choo. 15 people. All you do is hit two ba rolls that one left.

[B]

Rangefinder.

[I]

I like his little grip.

[A]

He does have a little claw grip. Ford Lean. Oh, he might have found it. Can he split the uprights? Both those potentially off the green. Doesn't matter here, though, ladies and gentlemen. BA Boom. Great pace, ladies and gentlemen. This is what you came for. Two time club champion. Boom. Hold it. Oh, no.

[I]

He looks good, though.

[A]

That's good stroke.

[I]

You can tell he's never. Three putt.

[A]

We'll try it again next week. We'll try it again next week. Good putts.

[B]

Good speed.

[A]

That was great putts. Great roles, Coach. BA we appreciate the hell out of you.

[B]

Hell, yeah, Coach.

[A]

Hey, be your friend. Hey, Diggs, why don't you come out here, buddy? Great working the back, boys. Great working the back. Workplace, BA Great work today, all right? Be your friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Don't block BA A little bit here, Tone. So he might give a speech? Yep. BA Anything you say here.

[D]

Great show. Better next week.

[A]

Team on me. Team on three. We'll see you tomorrow. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.

[C]

Yo, this is important, man.

[A]

My favorite Lululemon shorts.

[C]

The ones you got me back in the day. I think they're called Pace Breakers.

[A]

The ones with all the pockets. I just got back from vacation and.

[C]

I left them in my hotel room. And, dude, I need to replace these shorts.

[A]

I wear them like three times a week.

[C]

Could you send me the link to where you got them. Oh, also, my birthday's coming up soon, so. Anyways, thanks bro.

[D]

Talk soon.

[A]

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