PMS 2.0 1415 - Watt Wednesday, In The Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, Ole Miss Head Coach Lane Kiffin, Cam Bynum, & AJ Hawk

Summary

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0 (Episode #1415) — September 24, 2025

Brief Overview

This vibrant Watt Wednesday edition of The Pat McAfee Show dives deep into the latest happenings in football and beyond. Pat and his core crew – AJ Hawk, Darius Butler, AQ Shipley, Boston Connor, Ty Schmidt, and Tone Diggs – share sharp analysis and banter on Hall of Fame nominations, college football's huge weekend, top NFL storylines (with a heavy focus on O-line and D-coach breakdowns), and exclusive interviews, including Lane Kiffin and Cam Bynum. The episode is fast-paced, loaded with inside jokes, and delivers one-of-a-kind perspectives from former players and coaches.

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Table of Contents

1. Hall of Fame Nominees & AJ Hawk’s Candidacy
2. College Football: Key Matchups & Rankings
3. In The Trenches with AQ Shipley: NFL O-Line Deep Dive
4. Everything DB with Darius Butler: Defensive Highlights
5. Interview: Lane Kiffin on Life, Ole Miss, and Change
6. Interview: Cam Bynum—Colts’ Culture & Leadership
7. NFL Storylines: QB Development, Social Media, & Patience
8. Memorable Quotes & Moments
9. Key Timestamps

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1. Hall of Fame Nominees & AJ Hawk’s Candidacy

• Pat celebrates friends & colleagues named to the Hall of Fame nominee list, running through notable names like Adam Vinatieri, Shane Lechler, Vernon Davis, Greg Olson, Jason Whitten, Eric Berry, Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Pat Surtain Sr., Asante Samuel, and more.
• Discussion on A.J. Hawk's impressive career and his place among Hall nominees.
• Pat on the awkwardness of repeated nominations:
  • “Every year, all they have to hear is why they don’t deserve to be in Hall of Fame. That kind of sucks.” (09:26)
• Pat reflects on his own three-time nomination.
• Darius Butler and AQ Shipley break down the defensive and O-line candidate groups.
• AJ Hawk’s humility upon learning about his nomination via the show:
  • “I learned of it from you watching the show... Honored. Very honored.” (66:00)

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2. College Football: Key Matchups & Rankings

• Huge upcoming Saturday: Preview of major games:
  • Oregon at Penn State (Whiteout)
  • Alabama at Georgia
  • USC at Illinois
  • Ole Miss vs. LSU
  • Upset alerts: ranked teams on the road (Ohio State, Indiana, Notre Dame, TCU, Tennessee)
• Penn State’s “easiest schedule” & QB Drew Allar’s struggles:
  • Pat: “Drew Allar... overall 106th, 3rd down 133rd. Red zone 131st. What the hell is that stat?” (13:09)
• The panel debates the meaning of PSUs soft early schedule.
• AP Top 25 rundown: Penn State at #3, Miami at #2, Ohio State at #1, followed by LSU/Georgia/Oregon/Oklahoma/FSU.
• NIL and transfer portal shoutouts—who’s spending big and looking strong.

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3. In The Trenches with AQ Shipley: NFL O-Line Deep Dive

[23:22–36:57 & 152:11–162:32]

• Detroit Lions’ historic run-game looks: Old-school I-formation and duo play; “Bully the bully” vs. Baltimore.
  • “This is the only way you can beat Baltimore... you bully the bully. Let’s get people on people, hat on a hat, and just beat the shit out of people.” (25:09)
• Browns’ defensive domination: “Big Dog Pound Big D” and stats from their record-setting defense.
• Buccaneers thriving with backup linemen: Good coaching enables plug-and-play success.
• Breakdown of Week 3’s Top 5 O-lines:
  1. Detroit Lions: Power, creativity, and flawless blocking (159:35)
  2. Indianapolis Colts: Quentin Nelson & Bortolini’s dominance, Tyler Warren’s versatility
  3. Buffalo Bills: Counter looks, smart play design
  4. Minnesota Vikings: Darisaw back from injury, double teams, second-level blocking
  5. Washington Commanders: Innovative overload formations despite backup personnel

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4. Everything DB with Darius Butler: Defensive Highlights

[163:19–181:03]

• Spotlight on Isaiah Rogers (Vikings) and a perfect 99.9 PFF grade: Pick six, punchouts, defensive scoring.
• Minnesota and Brian Flores: Advanced pre-snap disguises (“300-level defense”), flawless execution.
• DB explanations for young QBs’ mistakes: The difference between reading zone/man, struggles with post-snap rotations, and the importance of communication.
• Vikings and Browns get love for defensive ingenuity and flying to the ball.
• “Good D, bad D” segment—Quad box breakdowns of wide-open busted coverages.
• Trevor Lawrence’s growth, Jaguars’ miscommunications, and defensive challenges for young QBs.

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5. Interview: Lane Kiffin on Life, Ole Miss, and Change

[124:58–147:10]

• Lane Kiffin joins for a candid, funny, and reflective chat marking the premiere of his ESPN documentary.
• Discusses learning from high-profile failures, self-inflicted wounds, and why he changed (“trying to be the best version of myself”).
• On his goal for the documentary:
  • “I hope it helps people that are struggling or people that are going through things they don’t understand why.” (126:13)
• Football DNA: His “football royalty” upbringing, learning from his father, Pete Carroll, and Nick Saban; how those influences built his offense.
• Offense at Ole Miss: Leading nation in explosive plays (a third of completions are 20+ yards), the Art Briles tempo import.
• Kiffin on growth as a coach and person:
  • “It’s not. I didn’t do it to help. It’s just helped. It’s created more genuine relationships. And I don’t know that that has to do with winning and losing. I just like living that way...” (130:21)
• Saban, the tarmac firing, and wild career stops (“football life in dog years”).
• Pickleball, Feuding with Paul Finebaum, and insights about SEC rivalries and coaching personalities.

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6. Interview: Cam Bynum—Colts’ Culture & Leadership

[183:55–211:16]

• Cam Bynum discusses his adjustment from Minnesota to Indianapolis; the surge of energy, leadership, and accountability fostered by new DC Lou Anarumo.
• On the Colts’ new era: “The belief, I think... started the off-season by picking us up and really making moves in free agency.”
• Cultural change: Real leadership on both offense (Quenton Nelson, Danny Dimes) and defense (Kenny Moore, Zaire Franklin, Mooney Ward).
• On Danny Dimes: Praises his growth, practice habits, and consistency: “He’s looking like the best in the league.” (191:50)
• Special teams & complimentary ball: Only one punt in three games (and Bynum pushed to go for it instead).
• Personal celebrations, Blue the mascot, and desire for fans to create a homefield tradition like ‘Skol’.

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7. NFL Storylines: QB Development, Social Media, & Patience

• Pat, Darius, and AQ explore how the NFL and media landscape have obliterated patience with young QBs.
  • Pat: “Social media has amplified people’s lack of patience in professional sports... The quicker trigger I think is happening strictly because of the amount of information...” (49:45)
• Darius Butler on college vs. NFL complexity: “You cannot... play any position in the NFL where you’re actually thinking... You have to be prepared and react.” (48:00)
• Tom Brady’s comments (via Boston Connor): Development suffers under system rigidity, wrong coaches, and no complexity in preparation.
• Discussion of QB salary, cap impact, and team-building philosophy.

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8. Memorable Quotes & Moments

AJ Hawk, asked why he’s better than other nominee LBs:

“Isn’t that what they do? Each guy talks about why they’re better than the other guy? I think that’s how it goes.” (67:10)

Pat, on Hall of Fame nominations:

“Every year, all they have to hear is why they don’t deserve to be in Hall of Fame. That kind of sucks.” (09:26)

Lane Kiffin, on self-improvement:

“I just really worked on how to be the best version of myself… I think that’s really where the change [was].” (126:13)

Boston Connor, on soccer ‘cred’:

"I played high school soccer, FIFA since 2006. I spent $250 of my parents’ money to get Ronaldo on my ultimate team... so, yeah, I know soccer." (73:26)

JJ Watt on calling his brother’s games:

"It's even more challenging to do it when he plays well... you want to give him the credit you would anyone else, but you know everyone's watching for bias." (80:11)

Cam Bynum, on Colts leadership:

“Nobody oversteps... For me, it’s the lead by example, lead with energy. For Zaire Franklin, it’s the I’m turnt up, I’m a run through your face type... on offense, Q, he’s a vocal leader—celebrating everything.” (196:40)

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9. Key Timestamps (HH:MM)

• 00:00–09:30 — Hall of Fame nominees roundtable
• 09:58–22:59 — College football’s coming weekend; Penn State scrutiny
• 23:32–36:57 — AQ Shipley’s ‘In The Trenches’: NFL O-line breakdown
• 66:00–72:08 — AJ Hawk’s first reaction to being a Hall nominee; JJ Watt segment begins
• 80:11–85:16 — JJ Watt's experiences calling his brother's games for CBS
• 124:58–147:10 — Lane Kiffin interview: Documentary, growth, SEC football, Saban stories
• 152:11–162:32 — In The Trenches (Week 3 O-lines)
• 163:19–181:03 — Everything DB: Defensive breakdowns
• 183:55–211:16 — Cam Bynum interview: Culture, leadership, Colts
• 53:26, 126:13, 185:35, 191:50 — Standout quotes in original context

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Tone and Style

• As always, the show swings between sharp, authentic sports insight and free-form, often hilarious banter.
• Language is casual, occasionally profane, and full of in-jokes and recurring characters (e.g., “Toxic Table,” “Big Three,” “Dimes” for Danny Jones, etc.).
• Guests like Lane Kiffin and Cam Bynum are seamlessly woven into show’s energy, blending personal and on-field stories.

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Useful for New Listeners

• A definitive snapshot of current football storylines (college and NFL) as seen through the lens of ex-players.
• Deep O-line and DB breakdowns are approachable for all fans but go deep enough for football nerds.
• Interviews with Lane Kiffin and Cam Bynum provide rare candor and fun, revealing new sides to the coaching lifestyle and team-building.
• The episode is a celebration of football’s less glamorous details (line play, coaching development, locker room leadership).
• Recurring bits and off-field tangents (AI, soccer, WNBA, MLB) round out the show’s uniquely broad—but always football-first—perspective.

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Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this wat. Wednesday, September 24, 2025. This sports program begins right now. Football is incredible. And obviously yesterday we had Coach Ba have the hoot after the football there. And that was certainly impeccable timing by a man who coached football for 47 years. And it feels like for this particular program, we're incredibly lucky that day after day throughout the football season, we get a chance to learn, we get a chance to chitchat with the people who are, you know, the creators of the game that basically we have today. And today is no different. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. watt will be joining us for the Sega. What an honor. He's fresh out of dressing like he was from the 70s while he was calling a football game this weekend that his brother played in. And he's being non biased in. But also if you were to watch that game without TJ Wallace. Look how zany.

[Boston Connor]

He's so silly.

[Pat McAfee]

He's so silly.

[Boston Connor]

Ian, you fool.

[Pat McAfee]

And you only see the glasses and the hair at the top there. You should see his pants, they are painted on. Yeah, they are painted on because he getting under that bar, you know, he's still. He actually rips his pants almost immediately upon sitting down in that 70s suit. Yeah, right in the front too, not in the back. You know, every once in a while you blow the ass out. This time had to get a football covered up because you know, he got the front there. But that's gonna happen. J.J. says show war. I got quads in ass, okay? If I have to, I have to be able to beat up everybody in this room. You know, that little bit of a rip there starting, you know, the real zoom in by people that are watching on tv. Obviously you're zooming in on the wrong parts there. Who knows what you're looking for. That's why I try to fix myself this weekend in the entirety. But we'll talk to J.J. walk cannot wait. Another list of hall of Fame nominees has come out and obviously JJ not there yet, timing wise. But congrats to all the boys that got the hall of Fame, Adam Vinatieri back on there. Let's go ahead and get his ass in. Shane Lechler back on there. Let's go ahead and get his ass in amongst many others. There's going to be a lot of conversations and debates, but every time you get a chance to speak to a Hall of Famer, you should respect and appreciate it while also letting them know you can talk a little shit as well. Tight ends. Vernon Davis up there. Okay, okay. Vernon Davis obviously turned into an actor whenever he retired. We appreciate him and we remember him as a Maryland monster. Do you remember at Maryland?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He goes to San Francisco and just changes the game.

[Darius J. Butler]

Unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

G reg obviously. Greg Olson getting in there. Obviously an absolute dog. Jason Whitten. People forgot how good of a football player he was because of what he did on Monday Night Football. Yeah, people forgot he had to go play again.

[Ty Schmidt]

He did.

[Boston Connor]

Hard not to forget.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank God he did. He was a great football player. Everybody loved him as a teammate. Everybody literally was a massive fan of his. Congrats to him being up there. Who do you see, D Bud? Anybody?

[Darius J. Butler]

You know, I go straight to the db, so I love Eric Barry. He was a dog. Cam Chancellor, Legion of Boom. Earl Thomas as well, Pat Sartan, senior Dolphins legend and Asante Samuel. Those guys stand out to me from that DB list.

[Pat McAfee]

12 year NFL veteran, Super bowl champion player, coach of Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Also played for the Arizona Cardinals, the Indianapolis Colts, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles and the Baltimore Ravens. Before that, Penn State. Big one this weekend. AQ Shipley's here. Aq. Anybody you see up there that makes you be pumped up out of a pouncy brother getting up there. Nominated for the hall of Fame and Marquis. Good for him. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Maris Pounty's up there. I see Olen Crutz. One of my favorite centers from the Chicago Bears is up there. Willie Anderson, the big tackle out of Cincinnati, needs to get in there.

[Darius J. Butler]

Overdue.

[Pat McAfee]

How about Marshall? Marshall Yanda needs to get in there.

[AQ Shipley]

My guy, Larry Fitzgerald.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that Eli Manning's up for it. I assume he's going to get in. He's Eli Manning. Would not be the first, right? Would not be a first ballot. Philip Rivers up there. Okay. We like that. Everybody debates about Philip Rivers every single time this happens. I do wonder if Phil Rivers likes being nominated or not. Like, I'm sure there's guys that when nominated every single year, it's like, no.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, this guy sucks Super Bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not saying Phil Rivers, but let's just say anybody that could potentially be. Might actually be cutting grass. Yeah. Might just actually be cutting grass. Sit down, enjoy your life. Open your phone. 55 text messages from friends and family saying congratulations. Then also follow up, have you seen this? And you go on to X accidentally. And then you just start reading things about your career. Yeah, he didn't have anywhere near as many tackles as bum, bum, bum, bum bum. This guy could never show up in a big game. Highlights, low lights start getting run about you every single year, Every single time. Because that's just naturally, I think how sports kind of happen, especially if somebody's going to go in from this team or somebody from this team is being represented. There's only a certain amount of spots every single year. So there's a lot of shit talking that goes on to a lot of these nominees every single year. People get nominated a long time. Bam. Bam. I will hang it up now, I guess.

[Boston Connor]

Hey, sorry.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'll be back.

[Pat McAfee]

Three time hall of Fame nominee. Hell of a run. Thank you. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Should have been four.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't. I think three was enough. Should have been two was a little bit too many maybe. And one time was certainly a thank you. That's very kind of you. With that being said, there was immediately I had to come out and say, I do not deserve to be in the hall of Fame. I would like everybody to know that Shane Lechler should certainly get in in my eyes. And then there's a couple other guys too that would probably, if we're going just strictly from a punter's perspective and, and how it goes like Shane is my goat. So like if Shane's not in there, I don't think there is a real conversation about it. But I did that also because I didn't want people to think should have been in there. Because then you got an onslaught of people going, fuck this.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Eight years as a punter, you know, and then you even got OG's probably in the game coming out, being like, we need to start having different tiers of this hall. We need different halls. You know, we need the average hall. This guy, eight years as a punter is getting in here. Like that's what OG players will start saying. So it's like to get in here, to get nominated, huge honor to get into the hall of Fame, obviously you're remembered forever and it's certainly dope. We were there last hall of Fame game, got a tour of the entire place, got to look the entire place. It was beautiful. Part of football history forever. But there's also, I think there's some that comes alongside this getting nominated every single year. Also expectations and hopes.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And then boom, it not happening. So like I'm pulling for everybody to get in now.

[Darius J. Butler]

The guys underline any, any guaranteed first ballot. Guys you see if that see top row, Drew Brees. I anticipate first ballot with the records that he's has. Super bowl champ, I mean Frank A.J.

[Pat McAfee]

Hawk.

[Cam Bynum]

Okay, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

A.J. hawk is not A first, first ballot guy because he's been retired more than five years. A.J. hawk in the linebackers is up for the hall of fame. We would like to let AJ Hawk know. Hell yeah, buddy.

[Boston Connor]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Put him in, Pago. He was in Urlacher's division.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. At the same time, tough, same position. I mean, that is a tough thing. So this is one of those things. Once again, AJ's gonna say nope. All the guys that want it, obviously huge honor. If I get in, great. I'd be honored if I don't. This obviously is not gonna affect. That's how AJ's gonna understand this.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ's gonna understand. AJ's family, AJ's coaches, AJ's friends, AJ's community that has supported him for a long time that have to battle against. Well, how many did he. What did he. What did. It's like, I don't want to make excuses, but in the same fucking division or. There wasn't social media where you only learned basically about things through what people wanted you to know about. There was a goat playing literally an hour and a half left of him in the same division at the same exact time. Well, I don't want to hear that. He should be. It's like. Well, he's all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers. Yes. Is that pretty good or not? Led the team to not only a highest defense ranking in the history of the packers or whatever, but also a Super Bowl. And then you go to Ohio State, this fucking guy, everything. It's like, A.J. hawk, great football player. Yeah. We forget about how great of a football player he is and how big of a monster he is and what he was on the field. Because we talk so much shit to him on such a regular basis, we've. We've kind of become desensitized. Yeah, but he's a guy that's tried to run through your head a couple times, right?

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ was a special player, man. Oh yeah. And literally did not care for anything. Like, didn't want any of the spotlight. Now granted, he click clack. If the Under Armour people came without a. He would certainly do that. And he would try a little kung fu, maybe karate, if that would help his game out there. But he was very like low key for being a top five pick in the NFL. And his head was the size of an actual mountain and he wasn't scared to run through people, which is old school football. I feel like that's why he was the president of Ohio for one time.

[AQ Shipley]

Well, you see, his Head. And you think he's only a thumper. He was so fast too. Like when he played in that 3, 4 scheme in green Bay and he was the backside linebacker. I mean he made more plays on run throughs through the backside. I mean he was so fast, so elite. And then when he'd come downhill and take on a fullback, I mean obviously he had great practice going against John Kuhn.

[Pat McAfee]

Every day.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, every day in practice.

[Pat McAfee]

What did they say? They said they never let up one time. Yeah, like seven years.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, it could because then you know neither one of them are getting better, you know, so no brother in law. Even though it sounds like they would talk to each other about it and kind of be like hey, we really don't need to be doing this every day. But they, they did. And John, yeah, he evaporated like four or five of AJ's teeth throughout the course of them playing together.

[Pat McAfee]

And that's what AJ would do. He just line right back up and do it again. I would like to say to aj, congratulations man. And he's going to undersell it for sure but we're pumped for him and we did that entire thing just to get to that talks to tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler. I know you're sitting over there today so we don't get to see the pants. Just know that D butt's hat, hoodie pants and shoes all match perfectly. Just know that he is full outfit today. Look incredibly cool D But we have a great weekend of football. We do not just only on Sunday and obviously Thursday kicking everything off and we can't wait for Monday night. Every single Monday night. It's always incredible. And I'm sure there's some high school football and maybe good college playing on Friday night as well. This Saturday slate debut. This is what we're talking about. This is now. Hey, now we're playing the game. To chat a little bit more about this, let's head over to hammer don don with 1/2 of the hammer done cowboys ap tone massive weekend for college ball Tone.

[AP Tone]

Yeah, an absolutely huge weekend. This is one of those weekends where if one of your friends scheduled a wedding on this Saturday, that's just, just a real damn shame because this is one that your ass is going to be on the couch all day watching great games. There's four ranked on ranked games starting with the Oregon at Penn State which is the game day game which will be the white out which will be at night. It'll be an incredible environment Oregon at Penn State right below that. Alabama at Georgia. Just an all time classic every single time they play. Look for points in that one. USC's going to Illinois to see if they're real or not. As a ranked on rank, ole Ms. And LSU is a ranked on ranked. We get to find out a lot about those two teams and then there's a lot of games where there's a ranked opponent or a ranked team going to a tough away opponent. You're looking at Ohio State going to Washington, Indiana going to Iowa. You also have Notre Dame who has to go to Arkansas. TCU has to go to Arizona State. Tennessee has to go to an undefeated Mississippi State. Those are all ranked teams having to go play in tough places. So we could see if we could get some upsets there. And then Auburn and A and M to just kind of a ranked team hosting a tough Auburn team. It is a packed slate. Those are 10 games that I went through that are absolutely must watch all day Saturday is going to be incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, thank you college football for doing that. We're going to be up in Happy Valley for a white out town. So it'll be a white out there. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[AQ Shipley]

We are Penn State.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's talk about you being Penn State. How do you feel about team this year? There's some stats coming out. Okay. Not great.

[Darius J. Butler]

Good ones.

[AQ Shipley]

Don't want to see the stats for who?

[Pat McAfee]

It depends on who you're looking at stats from. Could you explain a little bit on which side would you say good stats for?

[Darius J. Butler]

Well, obviously start always starts with quarterback. I want to see the quarterback stats.

[Pat McAfee]

For Oregon or for Penn State?

[Darius J. Butler]

Penn State.

[Pat McAfee]

They're not good.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh no.

[Boston Connor]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, there's a couple of really bad stuff.

[AQ Shipley]

Start with his size though. Real good stats.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. He's very tall. Very tall. He's from Ohio. Yeah. Okay, so he's tough. We know he's tough. We watched him be tough. He was in some big moments, had some massive, massive. Like he's calloused, I think from prime time. I think he's able to figure that out. Obviously he's seeing what it's like. Obviously the way the season ended wasn't the most perfect fairy tale type thing for him, but they haven't really played anybody. Okay. Which is I guess a part of the entire story here. Okay. So should be good and yeah, should be great. QBR ranks. Okay. Okay. This is QBR ranks, so I don't know who's doing a QBR probably. Pff.

[Darius J. Butler]

No, it's not.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[AQ Shipley]

So these are good stats.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if it's. Whoa, we don't know about that now. Hembo stats are good stats. Yes. What? Hembo sends us good stats. We are very appreciative of Himbo. Yes. Around here as a whole in this entire thing. Penn State people aren't going to want to hear these particular stats, but there is a narrative that Pen hasn't been showing everything that they got because they haven't played anybody. Ain't that right, Tone? Isn't that what they were saying? Like, maybe they're holding things back because this was the obvious game that they were having to prepare for. The first three games versus Villa Know some nobodies, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

The. The.

[AP Tone]

The easiest schedule in all of college football. Yeah, they were just running, you know, vanilla stuff on offense and defense. They didn't want to put anything on tape that Oregon might see and be.

[Pat McAfee]

Able to prepare for. Okay, so that is what people are saying. That's how the team looks. Okay. Okay. That's what people are coming up with now. No, they're not playing their best football because of how 136 out of 136 is the difficulty of their schedule. Okay. So it's the easiest thus far. Here's a couple of QBR ranks for Drew Aller. Overall. He's 106th. 136. What? We're going for third downs. He's 133rd. Oh, no, red zone. 131st. Now, I have not watched every snap, but what the hell is that stat? What is that? Because I like Drew Out. I actually came into the season when Drew out is about to be the guy. What have we seen from in the first three games against nobody? I guess he had a pick. He doesn't have his four touchdowns, one pick, I guess in his first three games. Is the offense just running the ball? Are we just not letting him play? Like, what is going on?

[AQ Shipley]

No, it doesn't look good, but I listen. They were 13 nothing up at the half against Villanova. But here's the deal. This is what James Franklin said. This is what James Franklin said.

[Pat McAfee]

Villanova's good ball, basketball, football team.

[Ty Schmidt]

He went to the 1 double A playoffs last year.

[Boston Connor]

Are they playing their basketball team?

[Pat McAfee]

No, but what's old Buddy that used to coach him? He looks really good. Yeah. Maybe he's talking to football. Football boys. Mcquaid in him. Maybe he's motivated.

[AQ Shipley]

But, you know, James Franklin said, hey, we're building depth right now. That's what we're Doing right now, we're playing the young guys. We're getting the young guys in. We're mixing combinations, we're building depth for down the road. And that's exactly what he's been doing. He's got this all figured out. Listen, whenever I was in school, we played Coastal Carolina. We won 70 to nothing and put up 400 yards rushing. But nowadays, nowadays, nowadays, we're building depth. You don't have to red shirt guys right away. You can get some reps for some of the true freshmen. So that's what they're doing.

[Pat McAfee]

But also, you got to give some reps to people that you promise reps to whenever you're paying them money, which obviously is a part of the entire contract situation that we currently have. So maybe it is that they haven't shown their best stuff D, bud. Maybe that's the way we need.

[Darius J. Butler]

That's bullshit. We know how this goes. They look, they got lucky. They start off with a preseason. You don't get a preseason in college. They got. It sounded like three preseason games to me. So almost like the NFL. We got a guy who looks like when he gets off the bus should and could be the number one pick in NFL. So you would expect, like Connor said, oh, maybe he's just playing a half and getting pulled out of halftime. And that's when you get, you know, the young guys in. They get their reps. But 13, 0 at halftime against Villanova.

[Pat McAfee]

Villanova.

[Darius J. Butler]

You saw him equate four touchdowns, one pick. Like, what are we doing here?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, we're gonna figure it out. Got a tough Oregon team coming in. I don't know what Dan Lanning's telling that team. I could. They just got done winning a platypus. They did okay. They just won the platypus after beating Oregon State. That's half beaver, half duck. Yep, half beaver. That's platypus.

[Boston Connor]

Beautiful.

[Pat McAfee]

They just got to hang that some bitch back in the Oregon facility for yet another year. They're happy about that.

[Boston Connor]

Drinking out of the platypus all weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. They're rolling off the back of the fucking platypus. That's what they're doing. That's what they do up there. They have a good time, but they're ready for Penn State. I mean, this team has looked good, and the quarterback can spin it. Yeah, more could spin it. And they haven't really had to do much either. I mean, I mean, Oregon State, obviously a game, but they have really steamrolled Some people, nobody has done as good as Indiana has done. True. Now, that is just a matter of fact. And they got Iowa this weekend. Good luck, Ty. We recorded another college football convo with Stanford Steve this morning, and I'll tell you what, I enjoyed it immensely. And college football is cooking, especially heading into a weekend where that team is going to get a chance to prove yet again that they're for real, even though nobody outside of the state maybe believes in them. Kurt Signetti has reloaded an entire new team basically at some spots at Indiana, quarterback being one of them last year. Have an incredible run. Oh, we'll do it again. We bring in Fernando Mendoza, the quarterback from Cal last year. If you all recall us going to Berkeley when Daniel made that kick in those vans and a magical morning was had while Marshawn lynch showed up and maybe brought some great vitamins alongside of him as well. Fernando Mendoza comes over to Bloomington, Indiana this offseason. Kurt Signetti is able to find some money somehow because remember, basketball team almost got a new coach and Sig said, I'm starting to feel a little bit because we're trying to be good at basketball again, but we'll make do. They got the Heisen favorite now, which leads to John Mattier injured out for some time. Thumb injury. John Mattier of Oklahoma. The story of college football in my eyes. Songo Polotelli is going to have to get back on that horse.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a tough night. That was a tough game for those Cowboys out there. Song Pelletel is going to have a lot. He's going to harden him. Yeah, it'll certainly go. John Mateer, though. I was thinking that they were the best team in the country because of him and because of Arbuckle, the offense coordinator. He and Arbuckle obviously transfer in from Washington State. And I say transfer. That was a. An offensive coordinator hired and then quarterback hired as well to come together. This has happened on plenty of occasions. It's been very successful a lot of the times. And it was in Oklahoma. Venables defense was great. He was great. And he's out now. They have a few weeks, I guess, before they got to really play Texas, I think. So maybe they'll be able to recover. But this changes the entire fabric of college football, I think Tone and obviously Godspeed to Mattier as he recovers from the surgery.

[AP Tone]

Yeah, it's huge because he was the Heisman favorite. He was playing incredible. Obviously the Oklahoma defense, I said nine sacks the other day was actually 10 sacks. They're playing unbelievable so hopefully, you know, with that defense with Hawkins Jr. Who got some playing time last year after Jackson Arnold got benched, he's got a little bit of experience and in that new offense should be good but. But it is. You never want to say you it's a good time to get hurt but.

[Pat McAfee]

They do have a buy.

[AP Tone]

They have Kent State and then it's Texas. So I know that there were some reports yesterday that they're hoping they'll be back for Texas if he's not the game after that. Hopefully, they said hopefully by the end of October he will be back. But it's huge because like it kind of kills all the momentum this offense in this team has had. And they would only get more momentum, you know, against, you know, in a bi week to get better. And then playing against Kent State which is always a fun game for the starters in that one before the Red river rivalry.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you want to have good of golden flashes going through it. But they'll be back. Julian Edelman, congrats on the Patriot Hall. Happy for him and bum for John Mateer and for college football. But obviously Godspeed on the recovery college football has been delivering. The NFL also showing up in a big way. The ratings route for college football. Big numbers. Six and a half, seven million on games. The biggest games the NFL is still pulling and 24x that crush. 20, yeah, 21, 22 plus. So for college football, we are still just at the very beginning of this entire thing for where we can head same great game, even better environments. College football is what people should be telling NFL fans, hey, we got it. And if you don't have a college team, it's okay, pick one up. And when you pick one up, go experience it. And when you go experience it'll be like this is the place for me. It's literally football heaven. At all these places, they love ball, they celebrate ball. It's tradition to love ball. In the new AP Top 25 has Penn State sitting at 3, Miami Hurricanes at 2 and the Ohio State Buckeyes who have to travel out to Washington at number one. LSU obviously at four is a big deal. Georgia Kirby and the boys finally get a little bit of respect. Top five, Oregon, Oklahoma at seven. John Mateer out. How does that trend? And then at 8, Florida State and there's a game against Miami. You right around the corner. Elkos, Texas A and M team. We like them. We have liked them. Tone. Another year with Elko. We assumed they were going to be successful, right?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

They could run the ball.

[AP Tone]

They have A great O line. Obviously, the second year for Marcel Reed in that offense and then second year for Elko as a whole. You know, his defense is going to get better every single year.

[Pat McAfee]

We do like A and M, Texas, Indiana, Texas Tech. Hey, mad respect. Mad respect.

[Boston Connor]

Look out.

[Pat McAfee]

I appreciated the Texas Tech people coming after us. I did. I like that because Texas Tech's been waiting a long time to say, hey, show us our respect.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, we're back.

[Pat McAfee]

And they are, by the way. They really are. Ole Miss, obviously. Electrifying. We'll be talking to Lane Kiffin Today at about 2:05 on the Many Lives of Lane Kiffin, an E60 documentary that will be debuting this evening. We saw the teaser. It's like a minute 49 teaser we watch or a minute 39 teaser. This is going to be electric. Yeah, this is going to be good for ball. I think watching this entire thing about how Lane Kiffin basically has told the stories of his life. Right there he was actually saying, I saw a tweet where people were saying, man, I'd like to hear what actually happened, happened there from his side. McGee goes, no shit. That's what we're doing. And that is what they do. All the stories all the way from Tennessee to usc, obviously to the Raiders now at Ole Miss through the times with Alabama, like, he kind of goes through it all. I think it's going to be a good football history lesson for all of us. And also maybe we'll learn about this guy that you certainly have heard of, no matter where you are in the United States of America and what your thoughts might be on. He's been in the limelight a long time. His dad, obviously legendary Coach Mani. He was labeled a guru, a genius at a very young age. Got a lot of opportunities. Those things all exploded. How did he learn through them all while remaining a good coach and still staying focused on task at hand? The many lives.

[Boston Connor]

Lane Kiffin.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what we'll talk to him about. That Ole Miss team is very good, though. I think I saw another stat. What was it, like 20% or 12% of their plays are explosive? Hembo sent a bunch of stats over. I mean, Hembo sent over a bunch of these stats here. Something about Ole miss is like 20% something. Their plays are all explosive. All of their plays are explosives. Everything is like 25 plus yard completions. Everything. They go deep, deep, deep. And then they got a running back or a quarterback now that could run his ass off too, right there. What's his name again?

[AP Tone]

Trinidad Chambliss.

[Pat McAfee]

Great name. Yeah. Also national champion, I believe, right?

[AP Tone]

D2, Ferris State last year.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Okay. He's a beast. So we'll be excited to see all these teams playing. Go ahead.

[Boston Connor]

No other team in America has more explosive plays through the air than Ole miss. They have 25 for 20 plus yards. A third of their completions is an explosive play.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is. 33% of their completions are explosive plays. They are exciting. And once again, that goes back to Lane Kiffin and his offense. And also, here's him throwing an OOP in Memphis after a turnover. Go ahead and get that. Yeah. All right. That's Lane Kiffin. The many lives of tonight. We'll talk to him at 205. The NFL delivering in a huge way. And we haven't had a chance to really hear from the barbarian. We haven't really had an opportunity to hear from the trenches. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for. For super bowl champion AQ Ship leash takeaway from week three of the NFL season. What do we got?

[AQ Shipley]

AQ Detroit goes big to bully Baltimore. We go down to Baltimore first. And let me tell you that the boys in Detroit ran something I haven't seen in a very long time, maybe since the 1930s. And when we look at this, we catch it a little late right here. But you see the two tight ends motion out to the left. They start with three guys in the eye. Behind Jared Goff, they motion out two tight ends. We're just going to run a simple zone play. This was the flavor of the week. They ran this formation about 30 times in this game. And they gave some different wrinkles. Right here, you see two backs in the backfield. We send Gibbs as eye candy. We sent Brock right to the right. We run downhill. Let's get back in that super high formation. We're gonna motion two tight ends over to the right. Guess what we're gonna do. Watch how pretty this is. Watch how clean this is. We're gonna run duo to the right. Double team, double team. Look at that. Can you run behind that? How big is that hole?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think I could run behind that.

[AQ Shipley]

Now. Backed up in our own. Our own end zone. Look at what we got again. Super high formation two times.

[Pat McAfee]

Like a.

[Boston Connor]

What's that? Like a human centipede.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. I was gonna say a train. Yeah, like a conga line. Yeah, like a con.

[Boston Connor]

I was thinking human centipede.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I can see that because where the helmets are.

[Boston Connor]

And once Goff leans down, takes a snap, it's like. Like the port is Just in his butt.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. That's what you were thinking. Yeah. Yeah. I can see how you would think that other people maybe think, you know, line.

[Boston Connor]

I get that. I get that.

[Pat McAfee]

Marching movies, man. Five straight. Yeah. I got you. Yeah. Gifts. Memes.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly. You see them, you know.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. People's decisions.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, all of it.

[Pat McAfee]

There's reasons for those. To show names. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead though. Aq. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

This is the only way you can beat Baltimore. We saw Kansas City do it in the playoffs a couple years ago. And then right here, you got to go in. When they try and be the bullies, you bully the bully. Let's do it again. Big formation, downhill duo. Let's get people on people, hat on a hat and just beat the shit out of people.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the Baltimore Ravens? This is your takeaway yesterday.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

You said, man, just Detroit going in there and punching the Baltimore Ravens in the mouth in their house is a wild takeaway. Coach Ba said the same exact thing.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

It is crazy. Two 90 plus yard drives.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, absolutely. Because it's one thing to go into somebody's house and beat them like they've been beat at home, obviously in big games, but to just get absolute Bullied. Like two 95 plus yard touchdown drives where they're just running, running, running, running the ball down your throat. That's tough to do against any team, especially a team known for their physicality.

[Boston Connor]

Well, what about the other side, aq? Like how. How did the Lions get seven sacks on Lamar Jackson? Like, obviously Hutch. But were you able to see what they were doing on that side? Just because, I mean, it was basically something we've never seen from Lamar before. You never see him get sacked at many times.

[AQ Shipley]

I thought Shepard did a great job. They played spy most of the game on Lamar Jackson. And when you do that, you take away a little bit of his run because when he doesn't have something right away, he wants to run. Well, he doesn't have that because there's a spy sitting there. And then it ended up being late and you end up getting these sacks. But then they dropped seven in coverage most of the night. So you go seven in coverage to cover three receivers or four receivers, there's nothing there. And then you go to try and run, you don't have it because you got that spy sit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Lamar was awesome. Some of those throws I saw. Yeah. I mean, he is spectacular to watch. Is Baltimore going to fix it on the defensive side?

[AQ Shipley]

It's more a question for D. But over there. But I think.

[Boston Connor]

I think they will sheet over.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, don't be doing that. Let's go. We need you.

[Boston Connor]

I got bets on the Ravens to win a Super Bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

Chuck, let's go to the next one. We teased this one earlier because this is a big deal. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Dog pound, big D. Dominance.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Big dog pound, big D. Okay, these.

[AQ Shipley]

Guys are flying off the tape. When you look at this, let's take a look at the top five pick. Mason Graham lined up to the left. You'll see him circled. Malik Collins been playing forever, sets the pick. They just meet at the quarterback in less than two seconds.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right.

[AQ Shipley]

Now let's take a look at Miles Garrett over here on the right. You'll see a circle coming. Tucker Craft, come in motion. He's going to try and kick him out.

[Pat McAfee]

Subtle move, avoid.

[AQ Shipley]

Get back underneath, make the play. That's incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

Hit him with a little stank here. Jordan, dead leg there.

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, it's incredible, but. Oh, how good is that?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, he's good player. He's a good player.

[Pat McAfee]

He's powerful, he's. He's agile. He's great. He's dumb, he's confident. He's. This guy's unbelievable.

[Ty Schmidt]

He is unbelievable.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why Haslam said, what Is he want? 40 million? Done. All right.

[Darius J. Butler]

It don't even need to meet with him.

[Pat McAfee]

Don't meet with me. Say no more, my friend. Just tell us a number in that entire thing. Go ahead. A huge. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Let's take a look at this next play. Aiden Huntington. Not Aiden Hutchinson. Aiden Huntington, rookie, six'1, 280 pounds out of two lane. Just beat Aaron Banks. Their big free agent signing jumps around. Looks like a little shades of Aaron Donald.

[Boston Connor]

A big name aq Aaron Donald.

[AQ Shipley]

I don't want to oversell this because he's the greatest player that's ever played on the defensive side of the ball. But 6, 1, 2, 80, same type of move, same type of quickness. I mean, he's jumping off the tape.

[Pat McAfee]

He's got hands like Robert Mathis, too, coming off of there. Look.

[Darius J. Butler]

How good is that?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you give me that quick at that side.

[Darius J. Butler]

Big statement.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, Aaron. Aaron. Donnelly said, are the Browns just gonna.

[Boston Connor]

Have the greatest defensive line in the history of football and win 12 games a year now? Yes.

[AQ Shipley]

Let me give you a couple stats here.

[Pat McAfee]

Right? So week.

[AQ Shipley]

Week one, seven yards of offense for the Cincinnati Bengals against this Cleveland Browns defense in the second half. Let's go to week two. Baltimore Ravens, what do they like to do? They like to pound the rock. They like to run it right. 13 yards rushing and 23 yards rushing for Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. Shutting it down. Lamar Throne, let's go against this week. What have we said about the Green Bay Packers? Arguably one of the best teams if not the best team through first couple weeks. Shut them down, beat him up. Met at the quarterback all game long.

[Pat McAfee]

All the stats about the Cleveland Browns defense right now are yup, yup, yup. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the worst. They're the best. That was not the conversation going in this season, was it?

[Ty Schmidt]

No, definitely not.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's my quarterback? You guys got can't pick it. Everybody's gonna wear gloves. He's gonna wear gloves in a dog pound. Is that what's gonna happen? That was conversation that happened. Shador Sanders, fifth round pick. Let's give this guy more opportunity. Why don't we let him play? That was conversation that happened. Dylan Gabriel, he's draft third round but come on, start coreback. Well, he could spin a little bit but is he going to be able to? Only Drew Brees and Kyler have been able to do that. Is he. And then Joe Flacco, he's just there for what? To hang out. What is Joe Flacco? Those are all conversations that happened in the off season. Not one conversation was had. And we're part of the problem. Jim Schwartz was the defense coordinator of that Cleveland Browns team. Then he spent 40 million on miles Garrett. Obviously they're very committed to defense, at least to one particular player. In last year or two years ago their defense at home was like the greatest in history. I think of Jim Schwartz, I automatically think of good defense and I guess with all the weapons that they have, this is sustainable too, right for them.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh yeah. And they got a rookie second rounder out of UCLA playing linebacker Carson Swessinger.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Love them, love. I mean they have talent everywhere and they've picked up some pieces, some veteran pieces like a Malik Collins who has been around forever but always been a good player, not a great player and he is shining in this defense.

[Pat McAfee]

Debo, what do you like about Jim Schwartz's D? What do you like about the Cleveland.

[Darius J. Butler]

Always fly around, always going to be on the same page. When you have a guy like Miles Garrett who's on a all time pace, I believe he's only behind like Reggie White when it comes to like where he is age and sacks. Like when you have a player like that, that changes the math. Every Sunday you got other guys Young guys that just fly around and on the same page. Not to mention Denzel Ward, who's one of the best cornerbacks in the league as well. Greg Newsom. I like everything they have, but, you know, the Schwartz defense, they're going to fly around. They're going to be on the same page, especially at home.

[Pat McAfee]

They're a damn good football team.

[Ty Schmidt]

They are damn good football team.

[AQ Shipley]

Figure out their offense.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, I. I actually texted him this morning. I said, you know what? Going back and watching that second half, I think. I think Joe Flacco started to figure it out. I really do. I mean, hey, he didn't play great all game. He didn't play great for 59 minutes and 42 seconds.

[Boston Connor]

But when it went, when it mattered.

[Ty Schmidt]

Joe gets him right to the line.

[Pat McAfee]

Boom.

[Ty Schmidt]

Completes the slant, gets the boys on a ball, spikes it, field goal, team comes out, we win.

[Pat McAfee]

55 yard.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, we win a game. What does Joe Cool do? He wins football games.

[Pat McAfee]

And what do you do as a Packers fan? Yeah, I mean, you watch it and say, I hope this Cleveland team's really good. Yes. Boy, we looked very bad. That's what their defense does, though. It's the big dogs in Cleveland. Big D's dominates.

[Ty Schmidt]

And it makes sense.

[Pat McAfee]

It does make sense. What's the third takeaway? Kyush.

[AQ Shipley]

Big bucking backup.

[Pat McAfee]

We like this. Yeah, nailed that one. Absolutely nailed that one. I like what you're doing.

[AQ Shipley]

All right, so let's take a look at this group. Right? Let's start before we let this play run. You got Graham Barton, their first round pick from a year ago. Played left tackle at Duke. Should be their starting center because of all the injuries. Tristan Worfs is out. Let's move our starting center out to left tackle. Ben Bredesen, starting guard. Let's move him into center. They're down to their third guard, Klein, who they drafted a year ago. Started with Michael Jordan, went to the next guy, he. They're both out. Let's go to the right. Right side and right tackle. They got Charlie Heck playing right tackle. He's been practice squad the last couple years. It's backups across the board and people playing different positions. Let's watch Graham Barton right here. Let this thing run.

[Darius J. Butler]

Get off.

[AQ Shipley]

Watch this. They run a counter, get Barton around.

[Darius J. Butler]

Boom.

[AQ Shipley]

Bury him down.

[Pat McAfee]

That is a big bucking burial right there.

[AQ Shipley]

How good is that? First play, the second half, let's watch the offensive line. Just wash everybody down, put the foot in the ground, get backside. 16 yard run. How do you set the Tone, in the second half, you run the ball and you beat him up.

[Boston Connor]

Up front, Boss takes a big bunker.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he is.

[AQ Shipley]

That was a good one. Let's take a look at this last one. Look at the protection by this O line.

[Boston Connor]

Ruin it.

[AQ Shipley]

Look at the protection. Look at the protection. Nowhere near Baker. Trust him. Look at that bald egg Buka down the sideline.

[Pat McAfee]

Igbuka said that Baker disrespect. Baker said that Ibuka disrespected that ball because he went one handed with it when it was good enough ball to catch it with two hands. Then he called him a rookie. Now we're hearing that they don't treat him like a rookie down there from Levante. David Igbuka has surprised everybody with how mature he is and how awesome he is. He's become a very quick weapon for that Buccaneer team. But you're saying they're nowhere near healthy in the most important part, which is the offensive line and are still undefeated. How are they getting it done? Just strictly by good play by the center playing left tackle or whenever they get their guys back, are they going to take it to a whole nother level?

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, when they get their guys back, they are going to take it to a whole nother level. But the interesting thing when you watch them on tape, Kevin Carberry is their offensive line coach. That's who Liam Cohen brought there. That's who Liam wanted to take to Jacksonville. They didn't let him out of the building because he's that good. They are well coached across the board. When you look at their double teams, they're hip to hip. Nobody's getting split. So it doesn't matter who they're putting in there. They're showing up.

[Pat McAfee]

That's awesome. Congrats to the Bucks making a big bucking back.

[Boston Connor]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

That's really good news. Thank you, Akush for your takeaways. Feels like I learned a little bit more and it feels like I learned a little bit more about ball. Can't wait to see you're in the trenches. You know, top five performing offensive lines from week three. I'm hoping there's a team in there. Okay. Deserves a little bit more respect and hopefully that'll happen, huh? I hope so too, don't you think? Yeah. It's about that down vocal leader on the offensive line at guard that never happened. Happens. Feels like offensive lineman should be happy about that. Agree like promote that. Maybe not be a hater of that. Do you think that happens anymore?

[AQ Shipley]

They were on in week one. They weren't in week two. It's only week three. And if they're in it two out of three weeks, that's pretty good. We'll see.

[Boston Connor]

Wait, they were on at week one.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. Five. Oh, yeah. He wanted to drop them out. Yes. Remember, he put a losing team up there. One.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah. That's why the entire thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So it's tough. Let's just make sure we're continuing to be fair and square on this. Let's make sure we're only going with what the eyes are saying. Let's not be, you know, getting texts from coaches.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly. Hey, we were number two this week.

[Pat McAfee]

That was so cool. Good breakdown. Don't be getting swayed from that.

[AQ Shipley]

The eye in the sky never lies, and my eyes on that tape never lie.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, well, I hope that's the case. I. Do you know who lied a little bit?

[Boston Connor]

Who's that?

[Pat McAfee]

A little bit, I guess misled, but it was a great headline. Adam Schefter put out a tweet that said, Micah Parsons said it's going to be painful to tackle Dak Prescott, describing tackling Dak Prescott. It's going to be painful. People read that and go, mike is out for blood. Micah's looking. Micah's looking to attack. And he certainly. Michael Parsons on sacking Dak Press. It's going to be painful. Okay, so period. Period. Okay. No context. There might be people that are, like, very good people that might have thought one particular way, but a lot of people thought and read that and said, mike's about to break that half, dude.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's gonna inflict maximum pain.

[Pat McAfee]

Pain full. The maximum amount. We want that thing filled to the brim of pain. Now, that's how some people think. I don't think that's how Schefter took it whenever he posted it, but some people took it that way. Rob Marty. The Associated Press provided video of the full context of the conversation. Listen to Micah actually talk about Dak. I think it's a pretty good little clip. And what if you get that opportunity? I know you will want to.

[Boston Connor]

With Dak.

[Pat McAfee]

What would that feel like?

[Darius J. Butler]

You know, it's gonna be.

[Pat McAfee]

It's gonna be painful, you know, I.

[Darius J. Butler]

Mean, Dax, my guy, you know, he.

[Pat McAfee]

Was always, like, a good mentor for me.

[Darius J. Butler]

But you know what it is? He always told him if I ever.

[Pat McAfee]

Faced him that, you know, it'll be a.

[Darius J. Butler]

It'll be a great matchup.

[Pat McAfee]

So I'm excited to see what Sunday brings itself. It's gonna be painful for himself.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because he's gonna hurt his guy. Dak, man, I didn't read it that way at all. I was like, michael wants to hurt this guy. Then I thought back to what was being said about Dak during training camp. Remember a little mic'd up.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

On the sideline, a little catch. I'm like, mate, what the fuck is going on? It's complete opposite. Mike is like Dax, my guy. Dak also leader of that team. I think Mike McCarthy said Dak is for sure alpha in there. I like to hear that from Micah. I like the full context of that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. And I know you said Shefty might have misled a little bit. I think, I think Micah's lying.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Darius J. Butler]

I think he's lying. I think he can't wait to sack Dak Prescott.

[Pat McAfee]

Because you're saying. He was saying it's painful for him, but he led it off to be painful for him.

[Darius J. Butler]

I think he's lying because I, I played with a great all time pass rusher who should be in the hall of Fame, Robert Mathis. And when 18 came back into the house that he built, got a stadium outside Lucasfilm, he couldn't wait to hit 18. And he did strip sack. Yeah, we can't wait. So I think Mike is bullshitting. I respect it.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, I like the fact that he paid respect to Dak. Former tv, you know, that's good for culture. For how I'll view Dak as a leader, I think that's going forward. But to Robert Math's point that this with Peyton, like this is photo. Yeah. How many do you have? I have the fourth or fifth or whatever the amount of sacks that Robert Matthews has. It's so much. And obviously everybody talks about Dwight Freeney. Robert Maths is on the other side. Just full chaos.

[AQ Shipley]

Most sports.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Strip sack. Yeah. It's his, it's his stat. They didn't have it for a long time. He was the guy that did it. He started off on the kickoff team. Okay. He started off on the kick, he was covering kicks. And then he turned himself into the guy that he is off the edge. And to your point, hall of Fame conversation should certainly take place in. But him hitting Peyton was certainly the one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Because what, they were teammates, what, 14 years, however many years. And all every time in practice, you know, quarterbacks, you know, pat the ball hit you, then you'll d line me, you beat your guy, can't get near the quarterback. Now finally Sunday, you can act. No red jersey on.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Where were they? Where was that Ball snapped at.

[Darius J. Butler]

They were backed up.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, some good.

[Darius J. Butler]

It was some good coverage.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it was good coverage on the back end. Obviously. Payton's getting a little testy. You know, that's good stuff. That's good.

[Darius J. Butler]

Run that back one more time.

[Boston Connor]

Started on the four.

[Darius J. Butler]

I think I just want to watch Wes in the slot. He couldn't get open.

[Pat McAfee]

Really. I was. I was looking for him all night. What. What color are the. He was going to him.

[Darius J. Butler]

He tried to. Teamwork, baby.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it definitely is. That's awesome. Yeah. I'll be excited to see that game. How do you feel about it all? How do you feel about the entire context of the conversation of that particular game?

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, I don't mind. I think it's weird that they're trying to make a big deal that there's not going to be like a big video package for Micah coming back. Like, it seemed like that's kind of what. And I get it. Like, typically that probably would happen, but he never won anything.

[Pat McAfee]

Emmett Smith is a little bit different.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. I mean, Jerry.

[Pat McAfee]

He came back. That's literally what Jerry said.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly. Jerry's saying that kind of, you know, obviously amplifies everything. And it's like, okay, well, Jer, come on. Obviously people are going to be pissed about that.

[Pat McAfee]

But.

[Ty Schmidt]

But he never won anything. I mean, I think it. It is. It is going to be cool just to kind of see, because the leading up to it all that we're going to have to talk about it just with the, you know, Micah going back there. But then there's going to be the immediate aftermath, too, of if the. If. If he has two sacks against the Cowboys and the packers throttle them like that following Monday. I'll be very excited to see that, but it'll be interesting.

[AQ Shipley]

And their left guard, rookie.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

First round pick Tyler Booker is out for the next four weeks.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of bad news coming out of that. Yeah. Jerry's quote there that we popped up from Macho was fantastic. I don't think that's appropriate this way. Emmett was a different story. That's not to diminish Micah. I think Micah's got enough welcome out there. Okay. We just need to show we've got antidotes for that. So they'll put a picture up of him. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Congratulations. It might even say, like, thank you, Michael. On the Michael.

[Pat McAfee]

It might. I wouldn't.

[Ty Schmidt]

I wouldn't put it past Gary.

[Pat McAfee]

He got a Michael 14 times.

[Ty Schmidt]

He did.

[Darius J. Butler]

He did.

[Ty Schmidt]

He hates his guts. There's no two ways about it.

[Pat McAfee]

They've had a bad ending. They certainly had a bad ending there. Good beginning. We'll talk about Danny Dimes here in Indianapolis aq. Have you been following this Colts? I know you're working for the Cardinals and now you're a commentator, so you're obviously going to be biased towards that team forever. If we start seeing them.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Every week.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We're going to have to start wondering that because you. He's actually doing this for them on team plane. I think so. This guy ain't gonna say shit about that entire thing, but I do wonder if you've been watching the Indianapolis Colts. I have, because, boy, this team is spectacular. All the talent that we've had over the last few years seemingly being used at maximum occupancy. Danny Dimes offense has been spectacular. He's calling out blitzes, he's putting us in the right plays. He's telling guys where to line up. And the other guys, by the way, not only are they lining up perfect, perfectly, they're all on the same page. They're seeing the picture the same exact way. People are cutting off routes. Danny Dimes hit him. Danny's shuffling in a pocket. Quentin Nelson's yelling and screaming at people. You know why this all is maybe more crazy than. Than you could ever imagine?

[AQ Shipley]

Because you finally get a guy in Danny Dimes who got a little bit of experience. It didn't go great, but that experience.

[Pat McAfee]

96. Was that what it was? 96 on the athletic fan poll?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. 7% optimism?

[Pat McAfee]

93. Okay. So 93% of the Colts fans who don't know ball. If they're the same people that were coming after me last year.

[Boston Connor]

And they are.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. And that's the people that it would be. The super active on the Internet, they polls people. We appreciate how excited they are about the Colts, we hope as a whole. Whole. But also how passionate they were about their causes and how they felt. And they were certainly very, very, very aggressive with me. They don't know ball. Okay. That. That was proven. Here is what the positive thoughts or optimism for the team going into the season was. The Indianapolis Colts were deadly worse than the Saints. And the Saints had just an open understanding that they weren't really going to be able to win for a while. Hey, we're hiring Kellen Moore. It's going to be processing, so give him a couple years. That's basically what everybody has said down there. The Colts, 7%. This was after they hired or named Danny Dimes as a starting quarterback. Yep.

[AQ Shipley]

Mine was the same. I felt the same way. Now I'm all in on him.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, it was.

[Pat McAfee]

It was you, you, you. Yeah, we understand.

[Darius J. Butler]

We've been waiting, man. Yeah, it's been a revolving door.

[Pat McAfee]

We found them. You should have known. We found him. Okay. He's this big.

[Darius J. Butler]

Evidence was there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's right.

[Boston Connor]

The Vikings tried to pay him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the Vikings.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, that's the evidence.

[Pat McAfee]

They wanted to pay him more. He got in the building. Kevin Ocon is like, holy, we got to give this guy amount of money. Then Colts offered something. The Vikings were like, we'll give him more because he was in the building. And then he's like, I don't think you guys are going to really let me start here. Right. Colts seemingly going to give me an actual competition chance over here. I'll take less money to go over there. And on that money note, here's QBR ranks this year thus far. We're only three weeks into the season. Danny Dimes is getting paid $14.5 million this year. If all of his shit hits right. All of his incentives hit, which 300,000 has already hit or something like that. And he's well on his way, I assume, to continue to hit him. Jared Goff, 32.6 million. Okay. Love that. The Detroit Lions are back. Also. That's not that bad of a cap hip. And remember when Jared Goff was traded to Detroit, one of the big conversations was, who's going to pay this guy salary? That was a big part of it. So the Detroit Lions saying, we'll pay the salary was a huge piece. Gave us a first rounder for that. Yeah. They're like, thank you for we gave him this deal. We. Yeah. So much.

[Ty Schmidt]

Shouldn't have.

[Boston Connor]

And they extended him last. They gave him the four years, 160 or 100, whatever it was, to probably lessen that cap hit and pay their guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So Brad Holmes up there working some magic and also Jared Goff showing his love and appreciation, I think, to the Detroit Lions organization as a whole. Worth every single penny. So then you go down to number three, Lamar Jackson. Him and his mom negotiated this deal. 43 and a half million dollars at this stage of what quarterbacks are getting paid, you think Lamar Jackson's not getting paid anywhere near what he should. His next contract is going to be outrageous, especially now that he's the number one passer rating. Josh Allen just won the MVP, 36.3 million. He's got paid a little bit ago. And Patrick Mahomes kind of set the tone for this whole thing. When he signed a, we thought it was a 10 year deal. Turned out it was an 8 year deal deal worth like 44 or something like that. Million a year. But we were told it was 50 a year. Yeah, 10 years, 500 million is what the original reports were. And then it gets down. It's like eight years, 44 million. It's like, where'd all the other money go? I feel like that wasn't the original report. Maybe we were just wrong. But that long term deal with Patrick Mahomes kind of started setting up everybody else because they were able to do salary cap gymnastics. Veach was able to keep everybody that they wanted to keep. Now granted, Tyreek Hill was not able to remain Kansas City chief, but basically everybody else they've been able to kind of manage because of Patrick Mahomes deal. And anytime somebody signs a new deal, all the pundits on the Internet tell people or tell Patrick Mahomes for good reason. He needs to walk into Brett Veach's office and say, I want new deal. Those guys making $50 million, those guys making damn near 60 million. There's people that are going to make $70 million playing quarterback in the NFL right around the corner. And the number one QBR right now is making 14 and a half. And for that we thank him. You can build up the rest of the team. This is just like rookie contracts Aaron Rodgers is For what, $10 million? I think this year is the, the money he's getting paid. You can still build a good team around that. I thought that was going to be the way you kind of have to do it to win. Then the Philadelphia Eagles won and they've paid everybody. So I think if you got a good salary cap gymnast, I think you can make some magic happen. But you quarterback getting paid from every stat that we've seen basically over the last however many years. When your quarterback is taking that bigger percentage, it's tough to build a winner around it.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, there's no doubt when you. This only furthers the narrative about developing quarterbacks. And when you look at a guy like Danny Dimes, a Baker Mayfield, a Sam Darnold and maybe Carson Wentz next, right. I think you look at this, they're just not prepared coming out of college. The games are two completely different games. College football versus pro football. You go back to the mid 2000s, the game mirrored the NFL. The college game mirrored the NFL. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. Everybody in the Big Ten was running.

[Pat McAfee]

Alabama was running Rock. Yeah, they were doing the whole thing.

[AQ Shipley]

And now everybody is just trying to win. You don't have enough time because people might transfer. We just need an offense that's easy. One progression reads and hand the ball off and run RPOs. That's what college football is. And so then you expect these guys to step in and be Danny Dimes in year four or five in year one, and it's just not the case.

[Pat McAfee]

So you're saying it's quite a leap whenever it comes to figuring out what the hell the other side of the ball is doing to you, because these are professionals and they spend their entire lives on it. And it's the all star game for the past five generations playing against you. Is that what you're saying? Because defenses are super, like, much more sophisticated.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Like you broke. You showed the Brian Flores disguised defense at the Vikings ran the other day. I think J.J. watt quote, tweet and put it out there. You see guys moving and going crazy and everybody's talking about Matt Patricia and what he's going to be able to do with that Ohio State defense is it. Defenses are much more sophisticated in the NFL. Like, how much different is the sophistication levels of the defense? And why does it. From a defensive guy's perspective, why do quarterbacks struggle at a young age playing against you?

[Darius J. Butler]

So it's the same thing that AQ was talking about on the college level for defenses. Since offenses are getting up to the line of scrimmage so quickly and calling plays from the sideline, the defense have to be simplified as well. We got to get lined up, we got to get a call out. You know, I don't know if they have the green dot for defenders in college, but getting that communicated across the field is a big deal. So when you get to the NFL level now, not only is it the defensive coordinator making the calls, but you have a guy like Levante David or somebody, Bobby Wagner or other signal callers out there making adjustments to the call made. So you have. That's what, you know, you always hear, be a pro, be a pro. So now you have a. The guys, when you. 10 seconds left on the play, clock a guy, you may be blitzing, I may switch to blitz. Hey, I'll cover you. Blitz. So you have all those different adjustments and coaches got to. You know, I think Brady talked about this. It's on the coaches, too, because a lot of coaches get passes on not developing these quarterbacks. And some of these coaches just aren't good to that level where they can be patient and help them, where they need to Grow. So when you get a guy like Dan, Danny Dimes, who gets to a place like this, where things are in place around them, you can really grow. You can really have that confidence in yourself, because you cannot. You can't play any position in NFL where you're actually thinking, like, you have to just be prepared and react. You have to play. Yeah. The only way you can react is by, you know, already being prepared and understanding what's coming, having answers, anticipating things, hitting throws, because guys aren't. You got to throw a lot of guys open. What's open in NFL is completely different. What's open in college, as a defender, if I'm on a guy, if I'm on top of, I'm here. Most quarterbacks, I can make that play NFL Sundays, like, nah, you got to be on that. You got to be a step ahead. So it's just a completely different game. You got to have patience sometimes. And a lot of we don't. We don't. Owners, front office, you don't have that same type of patience or development around these guys. So it's a tough task.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, the issue is, and I wrote about this in my notes section in 2000, maybe 15, 16, I thought social media had amplified people's lack of patience in professional sports, because back in the day, you would have to read, like, a journalist's thoughts on you, or maybe an opinion would get sent into the paper. But if ESPN or some TV person wasn't covering your shit, nobody really either knew how bad it was or you didn't have an opportunity to hear from literally all your fans. Now with social media, you see how fans react and how people feel. So if you even give off the perception of being okay with what's going on, you're facing revolt potentially, like, on a complete. Why is this our. This guy doesn't care. This lady doesn't care at all. They're okay with us just being bad. Why would I care? As a fan? And you're seeing people say that, like, in droves. And I'm not saying that every business makes decisions because of things that they see on the Internet, but there's a reason why Yelp became what Yelp became, and there's a reason why, like, surveys are a thing. Whenever you see an abundance of things, I think it's hard to sit in the pocket while everybody is attacking and saying, we're going to stick with it, we're going to stick with it. Because in the off chance that you're wrong and you're patient with something and it's not, it never pans out. You have lost everything in doing that. So like the quicker trigger I think is happening strictly because of the amount of information that people in decision making, decision or positions have with how everybody reacts. Like, think about owners learning how all of their fans feel for the first time, opening their ex. Yeah, like, think about Jim Ursay opening that thing for the first time and just go, what's this? Mentions. See what this is, brother. Oh my. Somebody tell them we did good. You know, like somebody's. Because now it's just like, ah. So I think that's why they make better decisions. So like, like the quarterback patience thing. And I guess we're part of the problem as well because Anthony Richardson need to be developed, need to be developed, need to be developed. So as he's developing, you're trying to figure out like, does he have all the traits that when he's developed he's going to be a guy like, how patient do you have to be? So I think that's why this competition with Danny Dimes is such a big deal. But to your point, if New York Giants would have been patient with Danny Dimes, is Danny Dimes an MVP type player for the New York Giants? If they would have been patient with Baker at Cleveland, Is he an MVP like player at Cleveland? Sam Darnold in New York, that list of people that kind of goes on the fair, like the merry go round is very big. So it's, it's interesting dynamic right now with college in the NFL and even.

[Darius J. Butler]

Once you get good in the NFL, like once you're good now, it's almost harder to continue to be good. Like all these young quarters, whoever Jaden Daniels or whoever, hey, okay, you took cj, you took the league by storm your first year. But now when you're coming into the league and everybody has a plan for you to take away, you know, what you do best, what's your counter? You know, like we were spoiled for the teams we rooted for. You know, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brett, Big Ben, like, these guys were good. Every week, you know, every week you get a minute 13 left on the clock.

[Pat McAfee]

2.

[Darius J. Butler]

Now we're getting, we're getting at least a field goal, we're getting a touchdown. Like, you know those things. But to do that consistently throughout the league, week in and week out, year in year, you're at that position is tough because this is all guys, this is all, you know, Chuck Paganos and the guys around the league are thinking about Jim Schwartz, they're thinking about Jeff Hat you're getting a plan for this guy specifically for this week to put him in the best position to do what he does. Not as good. You know, you take away his fastball and it's tough to do week in and week out.

[Pat McAfee]

Lou, you know, he's out there drawing it off for the Indianapolis Colts. We Cam Bynum's conversation will be running about 2:30ish or so. He was electrifying. But he mentioned Tom Brady there for you. Tom Brady's been talking.

[Boston Connor]

Well, and that's the thing, like we say, like, if the Giants had patience, like, the Giants might have just hired the wrong people every single time. Like, you can't rule that out either. Tom Brady talked about when he was a rookie on Coward, basically, you know, his QB coach had a heart attack, passed away really early. So Belichick became the de facto QB coach of Tom Brady's rookie year. And like, what he talked about was, you know, the development of quarterbacks is so important because, you know, some guys just bring a system and they say, hey, this is my system. This is what we're going to run. You're going to look here. If it's not there, you're going to throw here. Whereas when Brady was a rookie in the NFL, Bill Belichick comes in and he says, QB coach, and he's saying, hey, this team runs cover one when we are in this formation. The reason they do this is because their DC likes to do this with this player. This team runs cover three in third and five, because this team runs cover, you know, zero with blitzes on third and long because they're super aggressive. Whereas that's not happening now with these, you know, younger QBs. So the reason a resurgence is happening for, you know, Danny Dime, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, like, because those guys go somewhere, they get coached correctly, they get put in an offense that isn't just like, hey, if this is here, that will be there. But on Sunday, if you ask a question, and this reminds me of Mac Jones, when Matt Patricia became the OC of Mac Jones in New England, the kind of process was, hey, Mac Jones asked him about what happens if there's a blitz. And he didn't have an answer for him. And that's also the problem that the players, you know, you don't hear about because, hey, this player stinks. It's his fault. It has nothing to do with the coach.

[Pat McAfee]

So Tom Brady saying, if you raise the expectations for a player, the player will raise the expectations for himself. The more you put on and maybe be underwater, but maybe the better he'll perform. But what if it's the wrong guy? They can't retain him. Know that. You know that. That's the. Then there's a whole nother side of the conversation. But Tom Brady's been very open about, hey, I don't think the game is anywhere near as sophisticated as it needs to be for these quarterbacks. And you're only affecting the game as a whole is what he says. But I'll tell you what, here in Indianapolis, we're pumped for whatever happened with David. Go ahead and run that thing now, Ty. We have a minute and a half and we have to, we have to mention baseball. Baseball is having a big time right now.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, without a doubt. There are five days left of the season. So a bunch of teams are still alive right now. But the biggest story currently, unfortunately foxy, is the Detroit Tigers are in the midst of one of the biggest collapses in baseball history. They've lost seven straight games. I believe it was on July 8th. They had a 14 and a half game lead in the division. And as you can see there, you know, it has just continually been stripped down by the Cleveland Guardians and they are the first worst team of all time. They, they've eliminated a like a 13 and a half lead game in the division over the last month so. They're 17 and three over their last 20 games. So them and the Tigers are tied. I believe they play another game tonight. And then there are, there are four games after this. So Yankees clinch last night. They could still win the AL east to the blue. Thank you. Who the. The Blue Jays are in. Red Sox are still alive. Seattle clinch. I believe it was last night as well. They were battling with the Houston Astros for a long time. Houston has also collapsed quite a bit and that's kind of getting taken away by what the Tigers are doing. And then you can see on the right side there with the nl, kind of a lot of the usual suspects. Most of these teams have already clinched. The Mets are who everyone's looking at because they have been absolutely horrendous as of late. So everyone's still alive. Have a lot of good baseball coming up over the next like five to seven days.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of very meaningful baseball happening.

[Ty Schmidt]

Very meaningful.

[Darius J. Butler]

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[AP Tone]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Boston Connor]

Yeah, boys, big time.

[AQ Shipley]

Real big dime.

[Pat McAfee]

They got us in the first quarter. Okay. They got us for the rest of this game. We start seeing it.

[Boston Connor]

Stay hot.

[AP Tone]

We got it right where we want them.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. Because they're getting a little bit too comfortable. They're AI that's cooking up the the algorithms to figure out what the spreads are and where the money's what and how everybody's feeling. Where the sharks at? You know, they Got more information than ever. These books. We do too. Now they got a lot more. Okay. They got everybody's betting habits. They know exactly where everybody's going. They know where the smart people are going. They know where the bad people are going. And they obviously see things much differently than we do. But we need to remember that they can be wrong and that humans are superior. Exactly right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well said.

[Boston Connor]

No doubt.

[Darius J. Butler]

Think so.

[Pat McAfee]

This is our week. Rest in peace. To Dave Sharapan. Yeah. Sportsbook Kinsig.

[Darius J. Butler]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We're gonna miss the shit out of that Yenzer. He was great. Gone way too soon. On that note, are they still using humans to make these lines or is this thing all AI tons around?

[AP Tone]

I would highly doubt that there's a lot of human involvement in these lines.

[Pat McAfee]

So we gotta beat these things. Okay. What do we got?

[Ty Schmidt]

Find your edge.

[Boston Connor]

We all we got.

[Pat McAfee]

We are all we got live. And if it's not us, then who?

[Darius J. Butler]

Gotta get them live.

[Pat McAfee]

Tone, let's the live betting.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Because hey, I can't react. They don't know soft ass. They got no awareness.

[Darius J. Butler]

They don't advise limp off the field.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Now with that being said, I like love my. I know. I think you're none of these things. I think you're great. When I ask a question, I need a right answer. Can't be having you be wrong. Croc.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'm out on my.

[AP Tone]

I saw a scary one yesterday. Apparently there's an AI now that you can FaceTime with people and just choose not to be your face.

[Pat McAfee]

Could be anybody's face. Okay, that's cool.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's a problem.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, who decided to do that one?

[AP Tone]

It's a real problem.

[Pat McAfee]

Serial killer. Why are we letting these things happen? Why is this? That's what we don't need. We need good stuff. Only the good stuff. For instance, good Q A. But it needs to have the right answers and maybe not get so confused so easily.

[Darius J. Butler]

How does that happen?

[Pat McAfee]

How do we get to the end game?

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, just how does that. How do I get confused? Because I had an interaction, an interesting interaction with Grok. Now chat.

[Pat McAfee]

From X and Twitter.

[Boston Connor]

Don't say. Well, Tony Grox.

[Pat McAfee]

Great Gro stinks.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa.

[Darius J. Butler]

He.

[AP Tone]

It's a far inferior product to every other AI.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, I see. I just want to let Grock know if he's listening.

[Darius J. Butler]

He is.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. I'm not saying it. This is somebody else.

[AP Tone]

Well, we. We know why it's inferior. All the information is getting from us idiots on Twitter. It doesn't have anything else.

[Pat McAfee]

It's actually probably pulling from AP Tone, which is maybe a poor problem. Grock done. Just search X searches the. The entire thing. Because it was. I watched the new Grok kind of calculate answers. It's telling me where it's at, scan the Internet. We're at a different website. We're doing this entire thing. So I think Gro's trying to kind of reach outside of just the X.

[Boston Connor]

There's a lot of bolts.

[Pat McAfee]

You get caught up in the X shite.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, even the greatest of AI.

[Ty Schmidt]

Probably can't shite in here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't know how you get through.

[Darius J. Butler]

That was pretty simple, though.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Darius J. Butler]

Numbers. Pretty simple. 1, 2, 3 ABCs. Like colors. You know, like colors. You learn colors. Like Mackenzie probably doing pretty good with her colors.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Yeah. Blue.

[Darius J. Butler]

Mm.

[Pat McAfee]

Green even.

[Darius J. Butler]

Learning multiple languages. I don't know. My school, at least South Florida, we learn in multiple languages.

[Boston Connor]

Excuse me.

[Darius J. Butler]

Rock. AI is supposed to be. Eli made it, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he did.

[Darius J. Butler]

Colors. I mean, I know I'm wearing green right now today. A lot of different shades of green. If you go to my timeline, I don't know how far you have to scroll down, roll up, and you might have to do some reverse engineering of how we actually got to the spot. But Grox said. And it would be. It'd be much better if I walk you through the. The tweet.

[Pat McAfee]

Basically, Debut and Grock have been going.

[Ty Schmidt]

At it a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And Grox angle is not a good one to be behind. I'll say it is. First of all, got Galifianakis wrong. Yeah. On Mr. Redford. Rest in peace on the gif. Okay. You searching the grocer. Galifianakis. Robert Redford pops up as the top one. Yeah. What the hell?

[Boston Connor]

To be fair.

[Ty Schmidt]

That'S Jeremiah Johnson. That ain't fucking Zach Galvan.

[Pat McAfee]

I know. I know that.

[Boston Connor]

But we're humans with emotions, and we have emotional connections to these people. If you're just looking at that photo, you can easily say Galfinaski.

[Pat McAfee]

That's not his name either. Okay. It's got easily name. Exactly. Hangover. That is that gift. If we were all talking about Bruce. Have you found it? All right, here we go.

[Darius J. Butler]

Okay, so this is. So who is this? Ea Tax. Whatever. Right.

[Pat McAfee]

Scroll up to the video.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. So he. So this video, first of all, clip from. Up and at him just going to. Now this. This Adam, this clip kind of goes viral every week or so. Every few. Every few months or so. Some account tweets it Out. And someone asks, hey, who, who, who are these people? So Grock answers, they're sports broadcasters K. Adams and NBA star Draymond Green. From a funny segment on our show.

[Pat McAfee]

Now, you know, it was funny segment, to be clear. Funny segment.

[Darius J. Butler]

Funny segment. I know, me, Me and Draymond, we're both, you know, dark skinned black guys, you know, both athletes. I don't think I haven't got mixed up with Draymond Green. I don't think he's got mixed up with me. If we keep on scrolling down. So it comes to my attention, someone tweets me, hey, there's more. The Grox seems to have you mixed up, confused. Blah, blah, blah, scroll down. So then I start to interact.

[Pat McAfee]

Oops, my bad. That's actually Kay Adams in former NFL player Darius Butler on up in Adams. I must have mixed up the greens. Draymond vs Darius. Thanks for the correction.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. Now as you start and you say my name, so Darius, first name, last name, Butler. And then you go Draymond Green, you say, you must have mixed up. Up the greens. So then obviously, obviously out of that, the obvious question is mixed up the greens. Huh. So, yeah, pretty. Pretty interesting. Yeah. So, you know, this is a good gift.

[Pat McAfee]

Great gift. Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

So we scroll down. That's not Steve Harvey. Just like, you know, obviously maybe confused with the hangover Zach Gallif. What's his name again? Coming.

[Boston Connor]

Galifianakis. If you could search Steve Harvey and that would pop up because. Hold on, wait.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, you get mixed up too. But yeah, so I thought it's very. What we're very interesting.

[Pat McAfee]

What we're saying is AI still has a lot to learn. A lot, a lot to learn. So whenever. By the way, I don't like that that happened. And Grok should be issuing a nice message. My bad is, you know, hey, Grock, take it easy. We need to beat them whenever. They're the sports books. Joining us now is a man who's a Pro Football hall of Fame nomination nominee. He's a college football national champion. He's a Super bowl champion. He's a Ryder cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, the former President of Ohio, A.J. hawk.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Congrats.

[Pat McAfee]

Hall of Famer, dude. Congrats.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Huh?

[AJ Hawk]

Yep. Thank you. Honored. Very honored.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on. I knew first hour, we did what, seven, eight minutes on how you guys were very nice.

[AJ Hawk]

Hey, you guys were all very nice. I learned of it from you watching the show that the whole. That was even on that list. But yeah, you guys were very nice. I appreciate.

[Pat McAfee]

No problem. At all. The list of nominees was released this morning. AJ Hawk on the list for the first time. We are incredibly pumped for you, A.J. i know you would diminish this because you had to be a guy that didn't need titles or approval from other people to feel fulfillment or have success. And that's because you were in Brian Erlacher's division playing the same exact position. So if you were to get upset about getting voted for things at your position, that would have taken over your life, I assume that is why you've gotten to the way you are.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't know. I think I've always kind of been the way I am. But yeah, I mean, another guy, Lance Briggs, on there as well. He should be in, no question.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so with that being said, congratulations. We're happy you're getting acknowledged. We're happy to acknowledge.

[Boston Connor]

Also, also with that being said, can you kind of start us off by explaining why you think you are better than Lance Briggs and Brian Erlacher and maybe Luke Keakley, some of the other London Fletcher? Why do you deserve more than those guys?

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Isn't that what they do? They have each guy talk about why they're better than the other guy. I think that's how it goes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

It's your turn. It's kind of the Hawks call, if you will, A.J.

[Pat McAfee]

Nope.

[AJ Hawk]

But I saw Nick Mangold still there. Nick better. Nick should get in soon as well. He's been on for years.

[Pat McAfee]

Roommate From College of A.J. maybe you guys got it together.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, it'd be awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh my God. That'd be a good little time. Yeah, yeah. At least over shoulder.

[AJ Hawk]

You guys saying grock. You guys saying dbuts. Grok is racist.

[Darius J. Butler]

Ain't my gro. Yeah, it ain't my gr.

[Boston Connor]

We know what the R stands for in grock now.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, whoa.

[Ty Schmidt]

Racist.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. Okay. Yep, got it. All right. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who will be a first ballot hall of Famer whenever his name is up. Might be alongside A.J. hawk. Could be. This guy went super Zany with his 70s look to celebrate throwback football with his CBS Sports compadres over there. So silly to celebrate football and how great it is. This man has brought his incredible intelligence and his knowledge to the booth. In two out of the first three weeks he's had to call his brothers games and he has maintained a non biased perspective that even the fans of the other team say, good on this man. Good on. Oh yeah. He's former Walter Payton. Man of the year he's 6 foot, 100, sculpted like he's out of stone. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. walt. Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

AJ for the hall of Fame. We need all the initials we can get in there.

[Pat McAfee]

JJ, you're 100, right? How about it, though? AJ was immediately going to try to diminish that as quickly as possible, which he did as soon as he got up there. At least take the moment, AJ and say, hey, your peers say you're great at football. That was a cool thing, I think JJ For AJ yeah.

[JJ Watt]

It's who he is. That's why he's nominated for the hall of Fame, because he's that kind of guy.

[Pat McAfee]

So maybe we do a whole hour here on AJ Hawk.

[Boston Connor]

We should pull up a holly film right now. This would be awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we actually should. I didn't even think about that until right now. That. That is what we should maybe.

[Boston Connor]

Or we could compare his stats versus all the other hall of Fame linebackers and tell them why he should never be in the hall of Fame.

[Pat McAfee]

No, see, that's not a good part about being nominated for the hall of Fame. We did talk about that earlier, how there's guys that are nominated every single year, and every year, all they have to hear is why they don't deserve to be in hall of Fame. That kind of sucks. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Like.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's probably not the most. Oh, A.J. hawk with the tackle in.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, this. You can play this one. You can play this one.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. A.J. are we going to make a pick here? Yep, we are. And then we're gonna go to the crib. I need some better blocking. Look at me handling. You know, in high school, I was a running back and a punter. I had to get down. Go ahead and let the boys on offense get out there. They obviously had a full game plan. What am I doing with the Rock? Who's that? Oh, all day, Adrian Peterson. Let me smother them and then let me celebrate.

[JJ Watt]

I love watching these teams. Man, I did not like playing against, but I love watching these teams.

[Pat McAfee]

And that was another one of these.

[Boston Connor]

I just got shot, guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I got him. Throw him. Yeah, throw up the shocker. Obviously, AJ Always had a little edge to him.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, he did.

[Pat McAfee]

He always had a little edge to him, which we appreciate. Jeez, look at him flying around. AJ this is hall of Fame right here. Okay. All right. Let him shoot the gap. You see that?

[Darius J. Butler]

Timing them, timing them up.

[Pat McAfee]

AQ said earlier, JJ the thing about AJ Is obviously. Oh, give me that. With a broken hand in the snow.

[JJ Watt]

Do we have rewind capabilities? Do we have rewind?

[Boston Connor]

Oh, we can do it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we can certainly do a little bit. Go back.

[JJ Watt]

Watch. Watch his first step here.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

Takes a jab towards the line of scrimmage, and then just the control to push himself back out. You got to go back. Yeah, Right here. Watch his jab. And then back.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a bait, though.

[Darius J. Butler]

He baited Ben.

[Pat McAfee]

He bait it Ben. Is that what you. That was on purpose, right, aj?

[AJ Hawk]

I think it kind of. The coverage kind of helped me out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly. That was the show. Yep.

[JJ Watt]

I'm sleeveless turtleneck. The sleeveless turtle.

[Pat McAfee]

That's the best.

[AJ Hawk]

The dicky. That's a dicky or drage. It's awesome. You know, Aaron wears it only goes up to, like, your nipples just to cover your neck.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you're flying around here, dude. Hey, Q.

[JJ Watt]

That's like the. That's like the cousin Eddie in. Yeah, yeah. Christmas vacation.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, A.J. good luck getting the hall of Fame.

[Boston Connor]

Get in before Keakley. I'm gonna be pissed.

[Darius J. Butler]

There is no Keakley without aj.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't forget it. Super genius. Really good thought that A.J. watson obviously had great intelligence. Had good celebrations as well, which we appreciate the. Yeah. The amount of enthusiasm he had with sideline as well. He has a whole team effort on the field, and that might be what he's doing right now for the hall of Fame ceremony.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, look out.

[Pat McAfee]

You guys remember me now? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

I want my boss to be out my hair, man.

[Pat McAfee]

You think that's what he's gonna say?

[Ty Schmidt]

Wear the same suit from draft night.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God. The big boy. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

I need to find the.

[Darius J. Butler]

That good move.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, we know where. You know where it is for sure. And you know what? Have Laura use that split jersey, too.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, exactly.

[AJ Hawk]

Let's use that again.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Stitch it on the back.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Of the suit. Yeah. Have it be thus.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

The dress.

[Boston Connor]

Yes, yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Make a dress out of it.

[Boston Connor]

Boom.

[Pat McAfee]

We figured it out for the whole. You're welcome, Laura. You're welcome, Hawk family Hall Fame ceremony is going to be a great time. Espanol. How's the team? So Burnley. I saw. Not good. Okay. Right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Carabal cup.

[Pat McAfee]

We lost the caraball.

[Boston Connor]

They got booted by a Division 3 team.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So they'll be back. It can't go get much worse, I guess. Right? Is that. Is that what I mean?

[JJ Watt]

If you lose to.

[Boston Connor]

Let's just say if Ball State beat the Green Bay packers this weekend, that's basically what happened to Burnley.

[Pat McAfee]

And Burnley's the packers is that right, Gumpy? Is that what took place? I. I didn't hear this. I wouldn't go that far, but that's a tough loss to Cardiff City.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, no.

[Pat McAfee]

So the Ball State beats.

[JJ Watt]

I'll tell you, I'll listen to Gump. I'll listen to Gump talk football all day. I will not sit here and listen to that mullet headed Boston. Oh, yeah, about my soccer team.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, yeah.

[JJ Watt]

All right, you shut your mouth over there in your wolf T shirt.

[Boston Connor]

I Play. I play 5 years high school football for 5 years top tier high school soccer.

[Darius J. Butler]

We're talking about players who could have.

[Boston Connor]

Gone on and been a big deal. So, I mean, where do you get on?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, guess what?

[Boston Connor]

I played FIFA since 2006.

[Darius J. Butler]

I got all the FIFAs and I.

[JJ Watt]

Played the name of your career, Uncle Rico. I could have gone on and been a big deal, but he knows it.

[Boston Connor]

But I said, oh, you know what? I could go and be a big cool guy like jgy. Or I could smoke cigarettes and drink beer. Oh, what do I want to do? Let me think. Cigarettes and beer every day of the week, bitch.

[Pat McAfee]

And then become a soccer pun.

[Boston Connor]

And then, you know what I said? Hold on. In 2009, when Christian Renaldo was on the COVID of FIFA 2009, I spent over $250 of my parents money to get him on my ultimate team.

[AJ Hawk]

So, yeah, I know soccer.

[Boston Connor]

So, I mean, I don't know. I don't know why we're talking about. Hey, I don't want to hear Conor talk soccer.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I know. Ball State beat the Green Bay Packers. Yeah, how about that? Burnley, Cardiff City. Anyways, tough one for the squad.

[JJ Watt]

Get it off the screen. Yeah, it was the Carabao Cup. It wasn't good, we played bad, it wasn't great. We got the Premier League coming back up this weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

Great comeback. On the other hand, great comeback yesterday by Espanol, though. Espanol. I feel like we got good cafe in the morning, you know, it feels like. I like the espanol crowd a lot. I like the espanol team. Are we going to be good? Is Espanol good at soccer?

[JJ Watt]

We got some juice, man. We got some juice going on right now. We went down, we had to come back. 95th, 5th minute to tie it up. It was. It was crazy. The Cauldron of Chaos is living up to its name. It's nuts right now.

[Pat McAfee]

Cauldron of Chaos. We need to make our way over there. Yeah, I don't know enough Spanish. Do they all. Do they all?

[JJ Watt]

That's don't need to. If you know how to. If you know how to drink a beer and you know how to cheer for goals, that's all that we need, big guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I got that, right? I think. I think I got that. And also coffee. I like coffee.

[Boston Connor]

Como sauce?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. See so many of those. See, see? Yeah. See so many. See? Uno. That carries, right? Oh, yeah. One. Yeah. Cerveza. Yeah. Is that also. Because I don't know what is. You know, because there's allegedly different, you know, words like Spain, Spanish dialects. Yeah. There it is. In the morning, we drink coffee and afternoon. And then we play soccer and we win almost every. Yeah. Because I think we. Yeah. And we're close with real. You know, that's gonna. Let's talk a little football here. Cauldron of chaos is your booth. One week you're so tall. One week you're so small. This week you're so zany. You're really nailing them all here. So let's talk about the glasses. Let's talk about the pants. Let's talk about signing up for this. Let's talk about Mr. Eagle's mustache. Yeah. I mean, I like what you guys are doing. CBS celebrated 55 years of football, and I appreciate you participating in that. I think it's actually a pretty good look for you. I think this may be something you should maybe start leaning in on a little bit more.

[JJ Watt]

I appreciate that. If it didn't make me look like I might try to take a van near a youth school.

[Pat McAfee]

Very dahmery. Yes. Very dahmery. Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

But no, it was awesome, dude. I mean, we had Brent Musburger open up the broadcast. 75 years of NFL today. Like, it was. It was really cool to have all the throwback graphics and everything. I. And obviously leaning into it. So we. We had a good time with it, and. And the long hair played in well. So I. I think that we hit the 70s hard.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think you hit it hard. Your pants also got hit pretty hard by the girth of your thighs.

[Boston Connor]

Hell, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Heard those things just blew out. Somebody was zoomed in on your crotch. Just know everybody's watching everything. I like that you're holding the ball there, you know, make it look like, hey, I'm a Fl. Football guy. While talking football at a football game.

[JJ Watt]

Like, I. I responded to this because it was something that I noted I knew was possibly going to come up. But then as I started going through it, I'm like, man, you really had to be looking close, and you really had to be, like, slowing that film down. So we got some crotch watchers out there. Gotta be a little careful.

[Pat McAfee]

Definitely. You.

[JJ Watt]

You got more crotch watchers than anybody.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, well, that's why you got to make sure, you know, the whole kit caboodles inside the ride. Let's keep our arms and hands inside the vehicle before we go through the whoopty woos of the roller coaster. That's certainly a thought that I had there. You've called two of your brother's games.

[JJ Watt]

Was there.

[Pat McAfee]

Hang on. I got.

[JJ Watt]

I got a question about that. Once you hit water, was there any rearrangement. Was there anything while you were under the water that you had to keep everything in place?

[Pat McAfee]

Absolutely, dude. The. The. This thing was maybe middle of my back, just right through the cheeks.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, and then. And the issue at the top there is that thing was riding to the right, just completely side saddle almost, you know, So I had to fix that. As soon as I go underwater, that happens again. Just right up in there, you know, so that thing's up around here. High, tight. High. Real tight. I'd say so. Yeah. Underwater, I'm having a battle. I'm not the best swimmer. I can't float. Everybody knows that. So, you know, it's a little bit of a battle down there, but, boy, I love my time. That campus is different than everywhere I've ever been. I mean, it's a resort. They got, like, very good schools, I think, down there. Private institution. They're building that thing up, like, every day. It felt like a very different. In their football team's very good, jj. Very, very good. They are.

[JJ Watt]

I missed the Orange bowl, though. I do miss the Orange Bowl. The Orange bowl was pretty awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Historic place. It was so hot down there. It was so hot. I mean, that's an advantage. Mario Crispo said that we feel like if teams come down here. Yeah. They have to battle against a couple different things.

[Boston Connor]

Dolphins.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Lombardi said the same thing about playing the Miami Dolphins there. Okay. So your brother, you've called two of those games. Thank you for killing it on Sundays, by the way. You've been doing a great job. We've all been watching and listening, and obviously, we drop into your games during red zone as well, which we're still watching. Still watching Red zone. Yep.

[Ty Schmidt]

I don't want the controversy there.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I said we'll still. Basically. I said we don't care. Like, we will still watch it, is what I'm saying. I just want to make sure everybody knows I am still watching. Is everybody Everybody else still. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's not easy, but I'm still doing it.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'm battling as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're still watching.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'm battling.

[JJ Watt]

What's it like?

[Pat McAfee]

How.

[JJ Watt]

How big of a change are we talking here? Obviously, I can't see it now.

[Ty Schmidt]

It kind of like ruins your entire Sunday.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, you're lucky you can't see it, bro.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you get to see it live, in person. What we got to see is 15 seconds of this thing pop up four hours in, and it's just right there, and you still got the box right here. And then I think, disappears. Yeah. Quarter of a minute every time. Where'd the football go? And then you gotta remember. Oh, it's in a small TV over here. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is now. It's still there. The issue, though, J. Yeah, still there. It's playthrough. It's playthrough. The issue there, jj, is this is the first step of what these greedy corporate factors are gonna do, and I didn't acknowledge that early enough. But I will say, still watching Red Zone, your games will get dropped in. We hear you. And then even if we're watching, not watching your game as the main game, we still hear you think you're doing a great job. You having to call your brother's games two out of the first three weeks of you being in the booth, how has that been for you? I brought up earlier something that could maybe be chatted about. Whenever you see success on the defensive side, you probably want to get excited. I mean, what that defense is doing, there's excitable moments there, especially with what your brother's doing. How has that been balancing it all? And what are your thoughts on this Pittsburgh Steelers team?

[JJ Watt]

Yeah, I mean, I've learned that it's. It's even more challenging to do it when he plays well. When he plays really well. I mean, he had two sacks, he had two tackles for loss, he had a fumble recovery. So you're sitting there and, like, obviously, we've talked about it multiple times. I'm very conscious of not being biased. I don't want the call to be biased. I want to play it straight. I want people to understand that I'm doing it on both sides. But then, I mean, guy has two sacks, he has a fumble recovery, and you're trying to sit there and give him the credit that you would give anybody else who makes these types of plays. But you also know that everybody's watching and waiting, trying to make it seem like you're biased. So I'll say my partner, Ian, does a phenomenal job. He kind of takes over on the TJ plays, and he makes sure that they get the hype and the promotion that they need. And then I just kind of come in and fill in with some analysis. But it's definitely interesting, like, especially on his second sack of the day, you're like, all right, this guy's defensive player of the year. He's got second sack. Like, I gotta give him some credit. I gotta give him some love, but not too much. People have been really understanding. They've been really good about it. Fans from the jets in Week one and fans from the Patriots this past week have all sent me some great messages saying that they thought I did a good job. I know that there's 1/4 down holding call that they. I didn't love that I pointed it out, but it was a fourth and one point in the game. That was a crucial point. And he was complaining to the ref. I wanted to make sure everybody saw it. But, yeah, it's. It's a fun challenge, but there's no doubt that it's something you have to be conscious of.

[Pat McAfee]

Go ahead, A.J.

[AJ Hawk]

First off, who cares? It's your brother. You can pump your brother up all you want, especially when he plays. Plays well. I think people should be able to understand that. But quick pivot. New York Giants Jackson dart. Young quarterback. I want to know your thoughts on what you would do when you're facing the young rookie qb. Obviously, hit him, you know, try to get him off the spot, all of that stuff. And is there any guys, any young guys you remember playing against where you could kind of. Maybe you were surprised at how well they handled it, or maybe you're surprised how well they didn't handle it when you faced them when they were young.

[JJ Watt]

I mean, I think the biggest thing with the young quarterback is you just try and mix things up early on, try and give them as much stuff to think about, because you. You know, all the stuff that's already going on in their head. So, I mean, just different looks from a defensive standpoint, whether it's stunts, whether it's some shifts at the line of scrimmage, you know, I mean, as we all know here who have played, the first thing you have to worry about as a player is your own job. So he's going up there and he's trying to make sure he knows what he's supposed to do. Then he's trying to get everybody else on the offense set, whether he's got shifts and Motions, whether he's changing the cadence, all those things. And then when he gets to the line, he's got to worry about the defense. What are they showing me where now if somebody tosses out a look like Ryan Flores is tossing out, there's going to be like that's things that next, next, next level quarterbacks are having a tough time figuring out. Now you can get his head spinning. But there's also young guys who are incredibly talented and incredibly smart who walk up to that line with composure, with cool, calm, collected and they just wheel and deal. And that's when you really get confidence in your team, is when a guy walks up there in the face of all of that and still delivers. And he's got a chance to do that. But I don't love like I don't love in general when these teams draft quarterbacks, say they're going to, you know, sit him behind a guy and let him play and then all of a sudden we throw them into the fire and you're like okay, well we, so were we going to let him sit or we not going to let him sit? And does that amount of time count? And then, then obviously you got Russ who two weeks ago has 450 passing yards and then last week has the four down series he had in the red zone. It's the NFL is a roller coaster.

[Pat McAfee]

Of a league, man. It is crazy. It is the greatest. And Jackson darts, getting a pop every time he's shown on the screen. Then he's getting like a two yard gain and then Russell Wilson's getting booed and then he throws it off the upright to end the game and it's just like it becomes a storm of like abandoned plan. We don't care what the plan was. Let's see what this guy is. But I think what you're saying is is if you're going to end up putting him in anyways or put him in early, shouldn't we have a full training camp with him being the guy? Like at least have a full operation to see what he can get. Dropping him in the middle of the season will be a fascinating like because not only game wise practice what it's, what's it like for him as the starter? Team meetings, what's it like as him as a starter? Offensive meetings, what's it like as him as a starter in the locker room, what's all those things are brand new to him. And if you're going to go on week four, four I think is what your take was. Why don't we just do the first three games.

[JJ Watt]

And your point, your point is perfect. Like this whole time we kind of been playing this, like, is he going to play? Is he not? Should we give him some reps in training camp with the ones should we not? And if, if you're going to toss him out there in week four, like you said, he could have had a full training camp and four weeks with the ones to work. And now maybe is he getting some reps during the ones already this year? Sure. But I mean, then you're also not committed to your number one guy. I highly doubt he was getting too many reps with the ones the last four weeks. So it is, it's just I'm. Either throw your guy out there and say we're going to roll with the curves and we're going to figure it out as we go and he's going to have some ups and downs or do what you say you're going to do and let him sit. But you know how it is. Jobs get on the line and everything changes.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And you're saying also, I think empower Russell Wilson if he's going to be your, like, if you're, if you're going to do that, empower Russell Wilson. Because I think what Connor wanted to bring up is it wasn't too long ago where we were sitting in a suite watching him against the Dallas Cowboys throw for his best number ever. And then that's what day ball was thinking of. Day ball was like, we'll get Russell Wilson in here, he'll start for a certain amount of time, then there'll be a right time to hand it off. Is there ever going to be a right time? I don't know. No, I legitimately don't.

[Ty Schmidt]

You're not with that schedule.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Or with your job on the line.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. If you win, though, are you going to want to hand it off? You know, that goes back to the Fitz to a situation where Fitz like kind of went over the locker room. But the plan was we're going to handle. And then Fitz comes out and says, I wasn't. I wanted to play. This is my team. I thought, you know, and it's like, well, that's not a good start for TUA to start in this entire thing. The leader of the team is now pissed about how it all went down. So the rookie quarterback, wait, and then we'll put him in thing. The more I think about it, it's like Peyton threw what, 28 interceptions his first year? If that would have happened nowadays.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, My get cut.

[JJ Watt]

Yeah, I'm doing the Falcons, I'm doing the Falcons game this, this week. And Penix had a very rough game this last week and now he gets pulled in the fourth quarter, which the game was gone anyway. It's not like they're replacing him. But now you have those questions pop up this week and you're like, are we letting anybody develop? Are we letting anybody make mistakes? Are we letting anybody grow and come into their own? Like it's such a week to week.

[Pat McAfee]

World, short leashes everywhere. Now you brought up a name there about a defense for a young guy, Brian Flores. D. But has a question for you.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, you reposted me and you both reposted the same video of this Brian Flores pre snap disguise. And this is just one example of some of the shit that these young quarterbacks have to deal with. When you talk about, you know, developing and coming in, you're covering, you're calling the game with two young quarterback playing. If Daniels is able to play, what's your biggest thing, what you think the biggest hurdle is for these young quarterbacks getting up to this level and playing on a high.

[Pat McAfee]

And what is all this? So we could just see because it looks like there's a lot of movement, movement happening there before the ball is snapped. Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

D. But I'd love to have a conversation with you about this because to me this is literally next, next level of NFL defensive coordination. But not only from the coordinator standpoint, from the player standpoint.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

So it's one thing to sit in a meeting room and to be like, man, how crazy would it be if we went from an all out blitz look back to a single high look back to like you can draw that up and that's, that's great. But then you put it into a meeting and your guys are like, hang on, hang on, hang on. So you want us to show this and then go to this and then you go to the practice field and they try and do it.

[Darius J. Butler]

Crazy.

[JJ Watt]

And like I said, you got some young guys or you have a guy who didn't, who doesn't know what's going on and he can screw the whole thing up. So for Brian Flores to install it and for these players to execute it is beyond impressive. And I know that a lot of people are giving a ton of credit to Harrison Smith, rightfully so, because he kind of quarterback that whole thing. But debug, how hard is this from a DB stamp?

[Darius J. Butler]

This is like 300 level. I don't think I've ever seen this Extensive of a disguise. And like you said, everybody has to be on the same page. So not only Harrison, you got to have multiple smart players on every level. You talked about Brian Flores being able to communicate something like this because everything is, you know, you got to know the play caller, you got to know how they operate as far as the play, clockwise, like when do they like to snap the ball? Because you show the first look, you show the first coverage. Typically it's only like safeties, maybe some DBs, sometimes you'll get a D line shift. But for everybody on every level to be moving on the same accord, like, it's unbelievable. I don't think I've ever seen it to this level be executed. Everyone has to have trust the timing. And then it's just pre snap. So now post snap, everybody's got to run around and fly around too. This is some. It's some different.

[JJ Watt]

And then on top of all that, you got a pass rusher who just makes a nasty spin move at the top of the screen and gets in. And the disguise sure helped, but maybe that guy was just going to get there anyway. Like, it's just a mind on every level.

[Pat McAfee]

And then on the offensive side, Kevin o' Connell's calling place and it seems like they're going to work out, you know, feels like they got something special out there. And it's in Minnesota.

[Darius J. Butler]

This may be like in. KOC mentioned it yesterday when he was on the show, how he goes into the meeting room with B Flow to kind of talk over the different plans. I don't know if they cross paths with McVay as far as Koc and Zach Taylor, but a lot of these people AQ, you know, like coming from the same trees, saying, okay, we start this, we're moving to get it to, you know, the 8 and 12 area because we go over, you know, how the quarterbacks operate with the play clock, when they're shifting, when they're motioning. So having that tandem, when you're dealing with an offensive head coach that goes in and sits in on these meetings, Con man talked about with Belichick and Tom Brady, as far as developing him as a young quarterback, like, all this ties in. So when you're watching a play happen, it's just so much more that goes into, you know, these situation, these plays.

[Pat McAfee]

Been executed, you gotta have, I mean, back to JJ's point about how Brian Flores is obviously coaching it, but you gotta have like very smart players. Just like the New England Patriots defense where they had like four different game plans. Every single game and that type of stuff. Are we looking at a historic defense over there in Minnesota? Is that what we're saying right now?

[Boston Connor]

And Cleveland like Spags a couple years ago when they went to the super.

[Pat McAfee]

Bowl and they said all 11 guys. Yeah. Spags said whenever the Chiefs defense was leading them to, when they beat, I.

[Boston Connor]

Believe it was the Eagles the first time, I want to say.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And he said, usually you have, like, two guys, maybe hopefully three guys that are kind of like coaches on the field. He said all 11 guys are like coaches on the field. You can do a lot of things. And that Cleveland Browns defense is same game. Right?

[AQ Shipley]

They're incredible across the board from front line to linebackers to DBs.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but everybody on the same page is such a big deal, especially in the season.

[Darius J. Butler]

Chargers, too. Jackson Dart, we gotta play like that. Jesse Menard defense. Those boys on the string.

[Pat McAfee]

And same with Lou Anne Rumo's defense. On that note, Ty has a question for you. Jj.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, jj. I mean, honestly, what the hell's going on with the Texans? You know, I hate to be going into week four and already kind of writing off a team, but some of the stats.

[Boston Connor]

How could you not listen?

[Ty Schmidt]

Some of the stats are coming out with CJ Stroud, and they're. They're not exactly. They're not exactly great. You know, comparing him to. Is this guy basically just Anthony Richardson? I didn't put that out. I didn't put that out. I'm saying that's out there. That's out there. So, you know, sure. Do those people have a narrative? Maybe, but.

[Pat McAfee]

Sounds like you were trying to push that narrative. Not at all.

[Boston Connor]

Because I love.

[Pat McAfee]

I love.

[Ty Schmidt]

CJ's a Big Ten guy. He's a Big Ten.

[JJ Watt]

Don't let your voice go high. Don't. Don't let your voice go high.

[Pat McAfee]

That's him telling.

[JJ Watt]

Say it with your chest.

[Boston Connor]

He's a Big Ten guy.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dude, rip. So I'm just curious.

[Pat McAfee]

Where.

[Ty Schmidt]

Where are we at right now with the Texans?

[Pat McAfee]

Because their.

[Ty Schmidt]

Their offense, I mean, it does. It doesn't look like anything we've seen during the CJ Stroud era, brother.

[JJ Watt]

No, it was. It was obviously the first two weeks. I mean, you got the Rams and you got the Bucks, and they go down and they're very tight, very close games against first. First in their division teams. So those are very tough losses, but they're losses that you can look at and be like, yeah, those are two very good teams. And we played right down to the wire when I got out of the booth this week when I was done calling the Steelers Pats and I checked my phone and I see that the Texans lost to the Jaguars. That's one where you're like, oh, okay, this, this is not. This is not what is normally happening. Because you kind of after the first two weeks, you're like, all right, we're going to figure it out and get on track and. And clearly didn't get on track this week. The offense is struggling, haven't gotten it going. So there has to be some form of improvement shown there. And from what I'm seeing and what I'm reading, sounds like the play action game isn't quite there and it just hasn't developed. This offensive scheme that they've wanted to develop this off season when they brought in Kaylee, hasn't quite hit the ground running the way that everybody expected it to from everything we've heard all off season.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, on that note, there's another team that's playing better ball than ever play before. Okay. Harder start than Peyton Manning. Danny Dimes here in Indianapolis. And then whenever you think about the defense, lumo, they're balling all over the place. So J. It's just, you know, it's not as fun when the rabbit has the gun here. Huh? Remember we. You had a couple years there where you had a little bit of fun. Remember?

[JJ Watt]

You guys easy. The years aren't over.

[AQ Shipley]

It's three here.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, buddy, you always the last. Last.

[JJ Watt]

Who's the last team that was 03 to start that went to the playoffs?

[Boston Connor]

Us, I believe now who's on that team?

[JJ Watt]

I know we did it.

[Boston Connor]

Hey, J.J. waddy walking through that door. C.J.

[JJ Watt]

Will Anderson is.

[Ty Schmidt]

Or is he or has he been.

[JJ Watt]

Will Anderson's in that door. Neil Hunter's in that door.

[Pat McAfee]

I know. Daniel Hunter's a dog, too. Same with Will Anderson.

[JJ Watt]

What's going on up in Indianapolis, like what I have, obviously I'm not able to watch these games close to every week. I feel like I'm asking the same question.

[Pat McAfee]

We're great at football.

[JJ Watt]

What is going on up there?

[Pat McAfee]

Just you haven't been able to watch the game in its entirety. I hope you get a chance sometime to call a Colts game and you have to your research. Danny Dimes knows everything that everybody on the field is doing. Okay. Everybody on the defense. He knows exactly what you're doing. Broncos blitz them 76% of the time. Had 114 point something QBR against the blitz, knew everything that was happening at all times, knows exactly where to go with the ball and. Oh, yeah, where is he going? We got weapons all over the place. Tyler Warren, he's your size. He's. He's.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, he's maybe bigger.

[Pat McAfee]

He's probably bigger than you.

[Boston Connor]

I think he's bigger than him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. There's no way he could have put those pants on to begin with, let alone blowing them out. You know, up there in that little.

[Boston Connor]

Thing on his forehead that's like Dallas Parker type thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Little caveman type. Yeah. He looks like a Bigfoot. A Sasquatch, if you will. He wouldn't be able to put on Whitworth's jersey and get under that squat rack. Not Tyler Ward. No. That thing would have been busting at the seams like your pants were if you was. Put that on. He's unbelievable, and he's always open. Jonathan Taylor just had three touchdowns. We like that a lot. Michael Pittman rolling. Josh Downs hasn't even really got started cooking yet. He will at some point. It's like we have.

[JJ Watt]

JT has, like, 340 yards rushing. Doesn't. He's crushing it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. We are in. Danny Dimes might be the best quarterback of all time.

[Boston Connor]

No turnovers.

[Pat McAfee]

It's unbelievable. No turnovers, one punt. It's been so much fun. That's crazy. It's been so much fun. Like, Danny Dimes, though, commanding the. Is just, like, very evident. You're talking about full control. We're doing this. We're checking to this. He's sliding in the pocket so comfortably could leave. Doesn't find somebody makes a big throw. No.

[JJ Watt]

All right, so let's spin this thing all the way back then to the beginning of this conversation. We just had the New York Giants. They have a rookie quarterback. They had Daniel Jones for a long time. Now they're switching from Russell Wilson to. Is this a situation where Daniel Jones was always this good? He just needed the time to belt? I mean, he did have a lot of time there. Let's not act like he didn't have.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of the offense line. Nelson's on vocal leaders.

[Boston Connor]

Need an O line. Never had an old line in New York. Like, even the guys, like, it might. Thank you to your point, jj. Like, it might not even be New York's fault. Like, just some of the guys they drafted, some of the free agents they picked up, like, they just didn't work out. Like, I remember when Nate Soldier went to the Giants after New England and he was supposed to be, you know, their left tackle, dominant for years, and it just didn't work out. And then Evan Neal, you know, Bruce can attest he's playing guard now and he was supposed to be their guy. I think Andrew Thomas, when he was their first round pick to play left tackle, I think he got hurt his rookie year when Dan Jones was.

[Pat McAfee]

Now on that note, I think everything that Danny Davis went through was big for his development to get him here. You know, I don't know what he's always been like, obviously. I think he's always been super humble. Humble and probably a little bit not loving of the spotlight and everything like that. We get dropped into New York, but going through all that has to either kill you or make you much stronger. You know, one or the other.

[JJ Watt]

I think it's just the uniforms look so much like Duke. It's just natural. Like he's just like, oh, I'm back, I'm back in it.

[Boston Connor]

It's great.

[Pat McAfee]

It was his coach. Who is his coach? David Cutcliffe, who did, who did he coach pretty personally? Billy Pat Manning. Oh, is that right? And what is he doing now? He's starting better than Peyton Manning. Wow. Go ahead and start building a statue. Danny Dime's gonna be right next to Peyton and they might as well got Cutcliffe right up there with his clipboard. Maybe a little bit of like a puppeteer type thing.

[JJ Watt]

He's on a one year deal there.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it's two years, but he's certainly going to be looking to renegotiate after this one. If everything goes the way it goes, he's making 14 and a half million dollars. 14 and a half million dollars right now. We are incredibly thankful and lucky that everybody said he was ass at football, including our own fans that did the Athletics poll. They. They said we had no chance yet. And PE was part of that. And AQ Shipley was as well say sorry. And so are you, JJ And I think AJ Hawk was as well. So everybody that's kind of in front of a microphone right now can say that they were a part of the. This guy's ass. The Colts stink. We're doing a full rebuild. There was one of us up here.

[Darius J. Butler]

I gotta throw Bruce under the bus to you. He didn't believe me. Oh, I can't get away from this guy.

[Boston Connor]

That's not true.

[Pat McAfee]

We have always. I, I knew he'd win the job.

[Ty Schmidt]

The second he got here.

[Pat McAfee]

That was a fact.

[JJ Watt]

Unfortunately.

[Ty Schmidt]

He is on a one year deal though.

[Boston Connor]

I would, I would that. But that was our big thing. Like they have the team. So if Danny Dyer Dimes Comes in and plays. That's the way Danny Dimes has played. They're going to be unbelievable. And they have. No, no, we didn't want him to play.

[JJ Watt]

I thought he was on a one year deal. So he's on a one year deal today, right now. What kind of contract would you resign him to today?

[Pat McAfee]

Whatever he wants. 70 million, 55 a year. Whatever Danny does five years.

[Ty Schmidt]

70 per.

[Pat McAfee]

Whatever he wants. You got to think about the old culture of the entire building before and after he becomes our quarterback. And I know it's a lot of other positions and a lot of other people that obviously can change that, but like what's just so many.

[JJ Watt]

You're telling me this one guy switched the whole building? Cuz last year you were on the culture of that building.

[Pat McAfee]

And I was right. And I was right.

[JJ Watt]

And so he's the only one that changed. He changed the whole.

[Pat McAfee]

Can't buy him Quin Nelson Mooney comes in. Quentin Nelson becomes like vocal leader, you know, and he becomes good vocal. Local leader. Michael Pittman, I think feels even more empowered. Jonathan Taylor's playing his best ball. That he's. I mean there is it, it feels like there is just a maybe a belief in what's going on.

[AQ Shipley]

Believe. A belief in a chance to win.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. I think that is what it is that changes everything.

[AQ Shipley]

Like when you're losing, it's like, I mean it's miserable to go to work, it's miserable to show up at the building when you know, hey, listen, we're gonna, we're gonna be five and 15 and you know, the first slope, whatever it is.

[JJ Watt]

20 games.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

As well, brother. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

You get what I'm saying. But it's like that, the belief that you have when you know you have a guy back there that gives you a chance to win is everything.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's everything if you don't have one. It's nightmare for all parties, coaches, players, everybody knows it. And maybe that is why you sleep through a treatment back to back days. Sure. Maybe that is why you show up late to a team meeting.

[Boston Connor]

You know, that's what's good about Indy, you know, like it's, it's terrible not to have a quarterback. It's even worse to have a quarterback that makes like 150 million and you know he's never going to win a Super Bowl. That's probably.

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about? Danny Dimes gonna win Super.

[Boston Connor]

I'm not talking about Danny Dimes. Danny Dimes ain't getting paid 150 million. I just Think there's a couple guys.

[Pat McAfee]

Out there, maybe 28 years old.

[Boston Connor]

And I'm not talking about two either, gumps. But there are definitely other guys out there, definitely, that maybe we just talked to very recently in the last few days, not publicly. And he wasn't the exact player. Maybe it was a coach. And we just find out things about players. I think having a situation like Indy, like, even Pittsburgh is. Even the Giants, isn't as bad as, hey, we just signed a guy to a five year, $250 million contract and he probably won't get the job done. And that sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

You're talking about whenever the next four years are just, we know we ain't got it.

[Boston Connor]

Kind of like what happened with Danny Dimes the first time, where it was like, hey, we're going to pay Danny Dimes instead of Saquon. And, you know, Giants fans kind of all agreed, you know, Danny Dimes goes kind of as Saquon goes. So it's like hand in hand. Whereas, like, sometimes teams will win 10 games and they'll have a flash and they'll have a good season, maybe they'll want a playoff game. And then you kind of have to pay that guy. Guy no matter what, because he's proved it. But in the end, when you lay your head down at night, you know you can't win a Super bowl with that guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I. I hope that everybody that is at a starting quarterback for the team that you're pulling for can win a Super bowl for. Absolutely. With that being said, Dan Dimes can, and I'm excited that that's the case. I don't even think he knows he's playing good right now. I don't even know if Dan Dimes knows that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Good.

[Pat McAfee]

I think he has no idea.

[Darius J. Butler]

Good.

[Boston Connor]

Keep it that way.

[Pat McAfee]

Every time he talks, everybody. Every time I talk to him, it's just. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Having a good time. Everybody's playing really good. It's. Right. You haven't done. Yeah. Let's move along to the next one. And it's like, I think his shins have taken such a beating that he's, like, ready for Indianapolis is the perfect place for him.

[Boston Connor]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

It genuinely.

[JJ Watt]

I think it's the owner being on the sidelines. I think just everybody's on their P's and Q's. Everybody's dialed.

[Pat McAfee]

Dialed. You're talking about Carly. Yeah, Carly's down there trying to learn as much as possible. Obviously, you're not going to be out of line, especially when one of the big three can hear everything that's happening, happening down there. But she's trying to learn all the ins and outs of the program. They also just built a playground yesterday, downtown Indianapolis. Hell, yeah. Indianapolis Colts did. Yeah. Give them back to. The Big Three are given right now, and the Big Three are winning. They're undefeated. Yeah, the Big Three are undefeated. They might never.

[JJ Watt]

You ever put on those headphones? Have you ever. A.J. have you ever listened to the offensive play calls and everything? Even for, like, me, somebody who's been played 12 years, like, in preseason, I'd put on those headphones, listen to the calls and. And I'll get. I'll get a lot of information from. But, like, there's times where I'm lost what they're talking about on offense.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And you get to hear them freak out. It's funny. It's fun to listen and hear the guys in the booth freaking out that if you talk to them later and they're, you know, they'll. When you mention it to them, like, oh, you were on there. What were you doing on the headset at that time? But, yeah, they can. You can get testy on those headphones for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

I wonder.

[JJ Watt]

They talk a lot of.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

They kill each.

[AJ Hawk]

Every player. They're killing all of us.

[Darius J. Butler]

That would be the tough part if I was a coach.

[AQ Shipley]

Imagine BA on the headset.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. If you're a coach.

[Pat McAfee]

What the fuck is he doing? Get him the. Out of there. Then he's got a click over to. He was. He said it was Ben Roethlisberger.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He was yelling on a different line. He thought about Ben Roethlisberger being just trash, and then he clicks over. He thought. And Ben could hear everything he was saying. Ben's looking at him because he thought he was able to just, all right, Ben, you're doing a great job. Like, Ben heard the entirety. I guess the Nail it and then the. All right, Ben, you're doing a great job. He's like, you were on the same. I heard that whole thing. Oh, no, that's not great. I wonder if they are tighter up, tightened up down there, though. You know, they say, like, hard knocks makes everybody act up. Right. Because you're kind of being watched. You know, if you're in a bathroom, there's more people in there. They say you're more likely to wash your hands if other people in there watching you than if you're not. If you're in there, you walk out. So maybe Carly on the headset is making everybody act their absolute best I would hope not.

[AQ Shipley]

I hope those guys are exactly the same way they are whether she's on that headset or not.

[Pat McAfee]

And you're so. You're saying people in there. People not in there. I'm not washing my hands.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean?

[Darius J. Butler]

We saw he's not.

[Pat McAfee]

We knew that. I mean, we knew what that answer was. All of us. Right? Yeah, there was no question about it. You should see these new ones. You just put your hand out there and it just. Just shoots out soap all by itself. And then the air is actually on this side. You just put your hand over here and it's just blowing air out of the wall. It's crazy. You should try it sometime. Washing your hand.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'm old school.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. And down at the Texans, Jade, you're not dead on them. You don't think they're completely out?

[JJ Watt]

No, no, I'm definitely not dead on.

[Pat McAfee]

Who? Yeah, who are they playing this weekend?

[Darius J. Butler]

Titans.

[Pat McAfee]

You're out on them? They're laying seven against.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, Tennessee.

[JJ Watt]

Tennessee's going through some stuff. Tennessee's going through some stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

So are you guys. I think you guys are going through. You just cut cj, GJ out of the middle of nowhere. What's that all about? What is that about?

[JJ Watt]

Yeah, no, I will actually give Tennessee, Jeffrey Simmons playing phenomenal football despite a tough start here. Jeffrey Simmons, phenomenal football player, just pivoted.

[Pat McAfee]

Away from cj, gj.

[Ty Schmidt]

Coach Callahan's starting to figure it out, too.

[Pat McAfee]

It seems like in press conferences he's getting. Get more and more comfortable. Yeah, just more and more at ease, doesn't he? Yeah. God, that guy. It might be good for him to not have that job anymore, you know? Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

The head coach.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I guess calling plays is something that's going to change the. Just the whole thing just. It doesn't look like it's good for him. Have you seen a guy have an enjoyable moment? No.

[Ty Schmidt]

Absolutely. He hates his life.

[Pat McAfee]

Not one hat. He's in Nashville.

[AQ Shipley]

He took the first step, Pat.

[Pat McAfee]

He took the first step.

[AP Tone]

First off, you relinquish the play calling duties. And then when that doesn't go well, you get the play calling duties back. And when the nat goes. Doesn't go well, then you eventually get fired.

[Pat McAfee]

Bo. Harry, we've taken over the play calls and obviously if it continues to go the way it's going, Beau Hargry will be fine.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly. Which is why I kind of love this move.

[Pat McAfee]

And I like to say, Callahan, they.

[JJ Watt]

Just jumped The O coordinator, though, that was the. The interesting part to me is the play calling duties did not go to the old coordinator. They went past him. That's a very.

[Boston Connor]

He likes that guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's a little closer relationship.

[Ty Schmidt]

That guy's a. He's not called place.

[Pat McAfee]

And Callahan's like, I agree. I can't wait to fire up. He. We need him to. Nashville's great. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

He might be a college coach. I think he might freaking soar at like a UAB maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

Uab, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Like, I think, hey, shoot. I think, I think Dilver's more bored for, you know, the Florida or Avatar. I think Brian Callahan, he starts at uab, learns a thing or two about respect for people. He might.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, hey, J. Why don't you hire Callahan to coach Espanol? Maybe the Burnley boys after that Carol City loss. I. I think that'd be good. He'll bring some intensity. Sorry. Cardiff City, you get it. They come in there and he'll get the boys fired up and intense maybe.

[JJ Watt]

He's a great guy. We had. We had meetings with him two weeks ago. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. It's just they're. They're not playing good football right now.

[Pat McAfee]

He's miserable. Huh? Everything he said a good guy. Just absolutely miserable.

[JJ Watt]

He seemed great. I mean, the meetings. He's great. He was positive, obviously saying all the right stuff. It's just. They're just not playing the ball.

[Boston Connor]

It's just like, what? Because seriously, I haven't seen one clip of this guy talking where I'm like, good guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa, geez.

[Boston Connor]

Not. Not in the sense of like. I know, like, not like press conference. Sorry. Not in the sense of like good and evil, like good guy. More so in the sense of like. Nope, that sucks. Every single time I see something of.

[Pat McAfee]

Him, it is a lot of that.

[Boston Connor]

The coolest thing he's done, honestly, is when Will Levis came off the field and when he like rolled the ball to the other team and Brian Kelly, it was a.

[Pat McAfee]

What the are you doing?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, that was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Also, he had a good promo about Cam Ward talking to the defense while calling a player giving back. He was. He was mind blown by it.

[Ty Schmidt]

I couldn't do that. I don't know how he does that. Yeah, that's basically what he said.

[Boston Connor]

I mean, the Paul Kowarski thing, I think is what really got me. He just. He just ripped ball Coors. That's what he said.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know.

[Darius J. Butler]

I mean.

[Boston Connor]

No, that's what I. I didn't even know. What if you were making a joke. I thought you were just me telling. Telling the story.

[Darius J. Butler]

No, what he said.

[Boston Connor]

He needs to win a game.

[AJ Hawk]

He needs to win a game. It's tough to be happy when you're losing.

[Pat McAfee]

I agree. You have to be mad that that was a part of why. Like, it was for me. Retiring from punting felt like a easy move because we were losing games. I had to be miserable. And it actually was miserable because, boy, it'd be much better if we won. Like, everything would be better if we won. And it's like, as a punter, I have no say in that. Fourth quarter, we're down. All right, but, boys, let's go, man. I need to have a good. Let's have a happy week this week. Let's say this is all worth it. And then the ball just bounces the wrong way. We lose, and all of a sudden you gotta be miserable. Okay. It's like, all right. That's certainly something. This is Callahan, though. Every time he's in front of a microphone, literally, this is him right here. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

I have zero disappointment in my play calling.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, I. I don't have any disappointment in that at all.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, we're zeroing three. But it's not my fault, my place.

[Pat McAfee]

We appreciate Callahan. Jade, I think your point right there.

[JJ Watt]

Is such a good point that people, like, when they always ask, like, do you miss the game? Or, like, how's retirement and everything? I. I don't think people understand how miserable every single week after a loss is and how just by proxy of being retired and not having that experience. Like, yes, the good days are always better, but those weeks, it is a full seven days of misery.

[Pat McAfee]

I couldn't even imagine you such a focal point of wins and losses, having to feel that shoulder that you as well, a. That's crazy thing to think about. And I'm happy I didn't have to do that. I just, by proxy, had to be pissed because life isn't as good whenever we're not winning, boys. Okay? If everybody could kind of do their. We'd be great. Let's go ahead and do. Let's maybe protect our quarterback. Let's think about doing that. Yeah. Okay. Sky. Really good at football. Let's maybe. I don't know what. I don't know who I need to talk to here. I don't know who the person is. Maybe I'll tell you what I'm seeing, guys.

[JJ Watt]

Let me tell you what I'm seeing from the sidelines.

[Pat McAfee]

Over here.

[JJ Watt]

Be good to maybe catch those balls.

[Pat McAfee]

That'd be great. And these routes, I don't know. You're seemingly not as open as everybody else is. Need those to go a little bit better. I don't know how we get that defense. We need to wrap up. Okay. We got a lot. Got a lot of this happening. We don't need. We need to start wrapping up on. Boys. Life is much better whenever. We're all. Mostly you guys doing your shit. So if we could do our shit, that'd be great. All internal thoughts. Never say them out loud. That's right. Well, you say out loud is actually. Let's go, boys. Team game, team game. I'm riding. I'm right inside, though. It's a lot of. This guy is terrible. Why is this guy. Why is this guy on the team? What are we. I can't say that, though. That guy's much tougher than me. That guy's job, much harder than mine. That guy much more important than me. So what I gotta do is. Hey, next week, bro. Come on, man. I need you. We need.

[JJ Watt]

Oh, somebody. I. I saw somebody's brother that. Is that this week. Somebody's brother, like, posted on social media that a player on their team sucked. And it was just like, dude, you just put him in the worst spot of all time in the locker room.

[Pat McAfee]

Walking in there, that's like when Odell's dad.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Was putting together highlights of Baker Mayfield. Yeah. All right. Odell, go in there, go see him. Baker's not even looking at him. Why isn't he looking? I mean, I'm putting out three highlights a week of this guy being ass. But why is he looking at my boy?

[JJ Watt]

It's like, man, just getting your eggs in the morning? Just.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh.

[JJ Watt]

Yep. Good morning. Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Sorry. My dad.

[JJ Watt]

Sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

Can you send your dad different plays? Like, I threw you the ball a couple times. Can you do that? My dad's crazy. You know, Just walk away. I don't know how you get through that. And then they get rid of a guy. Now he might maybe lead his team to undefeated.

[Ty Schmidt]

Really good, J.

[Pat McAfee]

You've been pitching a perfect game in that booth. We appreciate you doing that. Congrats to your Espanol team doing what they do and your Burnley team. Come on, lads.

[Ty Schmidt]

Carol City's the tough side.

[JJ Watt]

We got.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, all right.

[JJ Watt]

Let's give Cardiff their credit. Cardiff, Cardiff. We got Man City on Saturday.

[Boston Connor]

That'll go well.

[JJ Watt]

You know what? I am so sick and tired of your ass.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, fight them, please.

[Boston Connor]

Go on, J.

[JJ Watt]

I'll back down because every week your hair has gotten significantly better and it looks fantastic. I'll give you nice, give you those props.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, that's first Battle hall of Famer.

[Boston Connor]

I'll return it. You know, I thought your top five booth. I muted it five minutes in, but I've heard people love you, bro.

[AJ Hawk]

Brother.

[Pat McAfee]

How about that? Look at this. Five minutes. That's a long time. Five minutes, a long time.

[Boston Connor]

It's the nicest thing I've said to a lot someone in a long time. And he said it was mean. So I'm done with compliments. That's the last compliment I ever give.

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's like when fatsos eat salad for the first time and they have to poop and they go, well, that's what my body's saying, not to eat.

[JJ Watt]

Don't say that about. Just because he is doesn't mean we have to call him that name.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I was talking about another story. You just called him fatso. Jeez. You did, you did, you did.

[Darius J. Butler]

So I don't live in the gym.

[Boston Connor]

And guess what?

[Pat McAfee]

In here, you literally live in a gym. You literally live in a gym.

[Boston Connor]

It's gonna be so funny.

[Darius J. Butler]

You literally live in a gym.

[Pat McAfee]

That's a gym. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ wattage.

[AJ Hawk]

Good positive experience for jj.

[Pat McAfee]

You were gonna have such a good one there. That was gonna be so.

[Boston Connor]

There's about six that I've had on my tongue today that just haven't been its way out. That's going to happen.

[Pat McAfee]

I love J. I tell you what, though, it's tough. J talks about being happy and being sad. It's like when his Burnley team loses the Carol City.

[Ty Schmidt]

I know.

[Pat McAfee]

And then you got Espanol doing his thing. It's like, how do you kind of conflict?

[AJ Hawk]

What's the Cardiff. Is it not Carol City? Why does it keep saying Cardiff?

[Boston Connor]

Who cares?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, it's Cardiff City. It's Cardiff City. Cardiff City, legendary club. They've fallen on hard times.

[Ty Schmidt]

They go by Carol.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think we are pulling for Cardiff City. I apologize for the wrong name, but I like the big win after Burnley, who knows what they're gonna go do now. Yeah, maybe get up to Division 2 and then 1A and then 1 up there. We'll continue for some reason. We appreciate you all. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Goodbye. That felt like a good J.J. watt. Good J.J. sat in the pocket there, no Burnley shirt on. Didn't want to bring attention. Had the Espanol hat on USA Olympics. They'll talk about this. Yeah, they'll talk about USA Good fit. Talk about Espanol. Couldn't help but had to bring up Burnley. We've been following that team closer to anybody. Yeah, I think Gage.

[AJ Hawk]

Where are they in the season? Like how many more games do they.

[Pat McAfee]

Have now on that note, we're covering them closer to anybody. We don't know.

[Ty Schmidt]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Two or three, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Right. How many games into the season are we. Because we saw the Caribou Cupa. Yeah, they're about five in. And what's the Caraba Carabel Cup? It's just the English teams, a bunch of divisions. I'll say. Scared of America And I would one air Miami or Portland Timbers rolling around over there too. Because if you want care about soccer, you don't have to care about cup having. I'll tell you what, I don't know if Portland Timbers are coming out alive against Carter City. Portland Timbers. Yeah. You think Carter City could withstand the Pacific Northwest?

[JJ Watt]

City went into turf more and took them down.

[Boston Connor]

That's the problem with Carter City is that if. If the Portland Timbers went over to England and beat a team like Cardiff City, that city would burn down and they'd murder everyone on the the team because they lost to an MLS team. So they actually, I think for safety purposes cannot let an MLS a hot Portland timber. Yeah, just in respectively. I get it. Because I. I mean they'd probably beat the. Out of Burnley. Oh, the. The Timbers this year. Don't they have the guy?

[Pat McAfee]

It'll be a cagey affair for sure.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, maybe for Burnley.

[Ty Schmidt]

I mean, we're talking about the Timbers. What about the Seattle Sounders?

[Pat McAfee]

I forgot about that Pacific Northwest finest.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

And then that team down there in Atlanta, they're so good. They're united around. And then up there in New England, they used to have a team. They sold that team. Right.

[Boston Connor]

Well, they actually won't let the New England Revolution play there because they're scared we might take their country again.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're talking about in England? Yeah. That's crazy. Is New England Revolution still a team or. They absolutely stink. So does Atlanta this season, man. They're both near the bottom of the table the year.

[Darius J. Butler]

We're at the bottom of the table right now.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, you're close off.

[Boston Connor]

Dude, that's bull.

[Pat McAfee]

You're at 11th of 15.

[Boston Connor]

Well, is our guy out?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think a lot of your guys are up.

[Boston Connor]

If our guys out, then that changes a lot.

[Pat McAfee]

And dead last is cf. Montreal. That's good. We like that. And second to last, D.C. united. Okay. D.C. united. Wayne Rooney's former team.

[Boston Connor]

Remember the night?

[Pat McAfee]

Course. Of course.

[Darius J. Butler]

I was interdone this year into Miami.

[Ty Schmidt]

Are there teams in the mls?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. This isn't a real thing, right? This is not the list of teams.

[Ty Schmidt]

I thought there were six teams in the MLS.

[Pat McAfee]

No, it turns out there's 30. Is there 30?

[AJ Hawk]

30 teams.

[Boston Connor]

15 in each conference.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's 16. The hottest teams.

[Pat McAfee]

Right? The hottest teams right now. How many are in that Arena League that we the boys come from? How many teams are in there? Eight. I don't know. They just announced a new squad. Actually. I don't know where they need to be.

[Boston Connor]

There's eight teams in there. There are about six too many. What are we doing now?

[Pat McAfee]

What are you talking about? PST is a good tournament filled with a lot of great players. We need the MLS to. Not 30 teams.

[Ty Schmidt]

What are we doing?

[Boston Connor]

Who with?

[Pat McAfee]

FC Nashville. Remember? They're really good. Yeah. Pittsburgh River Hounds obviously taking over Philadelphia. Very good.

[Boston Connor]

And they have the young Lake FC Vancouver.

[Pat McAfee]

So White Cats actually got Thomas Mueller, legendary player from Germany. So all. He's unbelievable. Who's he playing for? He's playing for the Vancouver White Caps. It's insane. Why? They're beating Team seven nothing right now. What?

[AP Tone]

Yeah, he's scoring Hades.

[Pat McAfee]

It's insane.

[Boston Connor]

He's got a gambling problem.

[Pat McAfee]

He's one of the greatest players of all time, cuz.

[Boston Connor]

Why the hell is he still playing Sergeant Conquer in the United States?

[Pat McAfee]

Let's get to it. Because he wants to. It's not in the United States. He's playing in Canada. Actually up there in Vancouver, which we obviously knew. The MLS had such history in Canada.

[AP Tone]

We knew that LAFC also got Sonny from Tottenham.

[Pat McAfee]

He's like in his prime. He's scoring every game as well. What? The game is growing.

[Boston Connor]

The are these guys doing over here?

[Pat McAfee]

They're playing soccer.

[Boston Connor]

Hey, boys.

[Pat McAfee]

Go back home.

[Boston Connor]

It's not fun here.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean it's not fun? It's very fun. Lafc, they take on LA Galaxy. They have the la.

[Ty Schmidt]

El Tropical.

[Pat McAfee]

There it is. El Traffico is always a banger. It's great. Always delivers. There's actually Inter. Miami plays tonight. Actually, we don't.

[Boston Connor]

We don't have to do this, okay? It's September 24th. It's not freaking May 24th.

[Pat McAfee]

What the. All right, great. Let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side. Lane Kiffin will be joining us from.

[Ty Schmidt]

We need to get rid of at least 24 of those teams.

[Pat McAfee]

Agree.

[Darius J. Butler]

Come on, guys.

[AJ Hawk]

There was only like six or eight, maybe.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that, aj?

[AJ Hawk]

I assume there's like six, maybe eight teams.

[Pat McAfee]

I think we all thought that. Then we saw the table and we're like, that's a big table. What the hell?

[Boston Connor]

Massive league.

[Pat McAfee]

Every team that you've ever heard of having a team still has it. Like, there's been no moving. There's been no moving on. There's only been adding MLS up and to the right. More teams, more players, more explosivity.

[Darius J. Butler]

Throw the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Mls. Soccer. We did soccer.

[Boston Connor]

Quadrant.

[Pat McAfee]

We did baseball. We did soccer. Yep. WNBA's got playoffs. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Couple going down to the wire.

[Darius J. Butler]

Aces fever.

[Pat McAfee]

If this goes in, Kelsey Mitchell's about to win mvp.

[Darius J. Butler]

Okay, well, vinyl's mvp.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

There's already been an mvp.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. Asia Wilson.

[Pat McAfee]

And we're very happy for her to win that again.

[Boston Connor]

Fourth ever.

[Pat McAfee]

She's a great player.

[Darius J. Butler]

Fourth time.

[Pat McAfee]

This is for Kelsey Mitchell, MVP of WNBA finals. Okay. She's been leading the fever. A lot of injuries to the fever. Stephanie White's got him flying around.

[Ty Schmidt]

They should give her an extension.

[Boston Connor]

Big one now.

[Pat McAfee]

How's the deal going? They were negotiating a deal and then we didn't hear anything.

[Darius J. Butler]

It's quiet. Maybe it's good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yup. Oh, Kelsey, I'm so sorry. The team will take the award.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay. Okay, Good.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Ty Schmidt]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Boston Connor]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Pat McAfee]

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome back to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this watch. Wednesday, September 24, 2025. Hour three of the program begins right now.

[Boston Connor]

Football.

[Pat McAfee]

He's the greatest sport on Earth. This man is a nominee for the Pro Football hall of Fame this year as a college football national champion, super bowl champion, A Roddy cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, is the father of ten former President of Ohio, A.J. hawkery. The toxic table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Bush. Others here looking incredibly cool today. Good fit today. Yeah, Literally from head to toe. Yes, really crushing it. Getting covered up obviously by Tone Diggs. Descu is actually over in Hammer. Don, that's AP Tone and nine year NFL or 12 year NFL vet and Super bowl champion AQ Shipley's here. Good to see you fake.

[AQ Shipley]

I've lost a little weight.

[Pat McAfee]

You've been getting after it again. I heard there was a little conversation off air about what you used to do to get in shape. Aj, you remember whenever he used to go into basements in fight rich dudes. You remember when that was happening? Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

So he used to grapple in, you know, in small amounts of clothing in the basement with some billionaires.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, definitely shirtless, I think was the thing. And then what I wore at Speedo, one of the first texts I got was from him. He goes, you should do jiu jitsu rolling in a basement, one of those. So we learned a little bit more about it all. You do look good. The man who's about to join us is an absolute icon in the football world. And tonight at 7:00pm a documentary about him and his journey in his football life will debut. Here's a minute 39 of what you're about to witness. This might be the greatest sports documentary of all time.

[Lane Kiffin]

Saw something somebody sent me the other day. Someone was doing a story and they're like, lane Kiffin would be the most intriguing person to actually know the real stories. Of all the stops and all the interactions, what really happened? I was like, that's probably true.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, that's why we called. You wanted to do this.

[Pat McAfee]

So, yeah, you see. Have you examined why drama and turmoil is often around you?

[Lane Kiffin]

I think there's things in life that you do that you actually are really trying to go above and beyond to do the right thing and it just doesn't work. Singing Rocky Top all night long after we beat Florida next year. It's gonna be a blast. Okay, so get ready then. There's things that you do that you make mistakes. I call them self respect, inflicted wounds.

[Pat McAfee]

Lane, out of respect to Tennessee fans.

[AQ Shipley]

You answered three questions for us.

[Pat McAfee]

When you hire a snake, don't be surprised if you get bitten.

[Lane Kiffin]

There is just a Perfect storm of becoming this villain.

[Pat McAfee]

He proved that he could lie out of both sides of his mouth.

[Lane Kiffin]

There's no arguments.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are called ass choice. Lane Kiffin, the youngest NFL head coach since the merger. I didn't hire the person I thought I was hiring. Blaine Kiffin is a Miley Cyrus of college football. He has very little talent, but we simply can't keep our eyes off of him.

[Boston Connor]

When people don't want to like you, does that.

[Pat McAfee]

Does that bother you?

[Lane Kiffin]

It didn't used to bother me. As I've gotten older. Now I just would like to change that narrative.

[Pat McAfee]

So how do you do that? 3, 2, 1, and 1. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a former Fresno State quarterback and a guy that we're about to learn a lot about tonight. Three time national champion, now the head coach at Ole Miss, ladies and gentlemen. L. How are you, coach?

[Lane Kiffin]

Awesome. Thanks for having me, Pat.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, sorry we made you wait there a little bit. Boys. Had to dump during the break. And then obviously we got a chance to run one of the greatest trailers I've seen for a documentary documentary in a long time. Which leads me to ask this, how was it? Emotional going back through all of it and how long have you guys been shooting this for release? It feels like it's very in depth.

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, they did it this summer with me, just, you know, over a day or two. And then I think they went to other people after that. So I've never. I've actually not seen it. So that trailer is the only thing I've seen like you've seen. So it is kind of really unique to see that and you see your kind of life play out because you've been through so many things and so should be interesting.

[Pat McAfee]

Reliving it all is interesting. You know, like, I've talked to a couple of people that should have documentaries and I ask them, I'm like, are you ever going to do a doc? Absolutely not. Why? I've already lived it once. I don't want to do it again. That's a whole thing that has to take place, I'm assuming, with some of these things. And you admitted there in your interview that you did this summer that they did in the sit down where it's like, I've made some mistakes. Self inflicted wounds through it all. Has that perspective changed you this season? Do you think you've noticed a change since doing the documentary about yourself? And how has it been trying to become the Lane Kiffin that you want to be basically through it all that you kind of mentioned at the end there about changing the narrative.

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, I really didn't know it was going to be that big a deal, Pat. It sounds probably crazy, but, you know, people come in a lot of times and do interviews or podcasts, and so I just agreed to it and then kind of realized it was a lot bigger once it started going. So, you know, my hope is that it helps people. It helps people that are struggling or people that are going through things they don't understand why. And so I think what it does is it shows a path that goes a bunch of different directions and things that I thought were good that maybe weren't, and things that I thought were horrible that weren't bad either. And so kind of learn to try to reserve judgment when situations happen of what's good and bad and see what they are later. So I hope it helps people, because what I did when I set out four or five years ago on this change was I want to be the best version of myself. I kind of figured my parents didn't have a lot of time left, and so I felt like I owed that to them. And then obviously my children and family and players. And so I just really worked on how can I be the best version of myself to give to everybody. And I think that's very different than how I was living where before I was living about what did everything give to me. And so I think that's really where the change. And so I gotta continue to work on that all the time.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that. I can't wait for that message. And I'm excited that there's inspiration out there for a lot of us that maybe want to change who we are or be the best version of ourselves, but are scared or maybe self sabotage. I assume there's a lot of potential. Those thoughts that you're still battling every single day that you talk about. Just know that we've all noticed your skin looks immaculate.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, it does.

[Pat McAfee]

You have a good glow about you. And it feels like your teams are benefiting from the way that you're going about living your life now. Which leads to this weekend. Huge one. I mean, absolutely huge one this weekend. How do you feel about this year's squad? And there was an announcement of the starting quarterback, I believe, just moments ago. Right. Tone, this just got announced that for the third straight week, you'll have Trinidad Chambers. Trinidad Chambers and Ferris State quarterback. I. I believe that was announced. I'm not 100% sure if you made that decision publicly or not, but how do you feel about this year's team.

[Lane Kiffin]

Well, that's good to know. That'd be news to me that the starting quarterback's been figured out.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so that has not been announced. I'll go down.

[Lane Kiffin]

I'll go down and tell our staff right here.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So it's not broke it that.

[Lane Kiffin]

That Trinidad's our starting quarterback. So now we haven't made that decision yet. I do, I do think we have a good team. We've done some good things and both those quarterbacks are really, really good players. So it's exciting to have them both. This is a huge challenge for us. I think that this LSU roster defensively is by far the best they've been in a long time. They've done a great job. As Brian Kelly alluded to, they spent a lot of money in the portal in the off season and it showed up. I think you're seeing that in college football. You know, I think numbers have shown. You know, Miami, Texas Tech and LSU spent the most money in the portal and look how they're performing. You know, this is a brand new defense at a lot of spots, and they're really talented, really good, and that's why they're the third team in the country.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's fun to watch Louisiana kind of go, but it's also great to see your team ride every time. We're happy that you guys are back in national prominence, mostly because we're all fans of you, brother. That's why I'm excited for the documentary to learn even more about you. Go ahead, A.J.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, coach, going back, you mentioned, you know what, four or five years ago, you started working on yourself and, and being the best you. How has that affected you as a coach? Like day to day? I would imagine relationships with players, parents, everything would grow through that. But have you. Are you able to enjoy coaching more now? I feel like we see my coaches are just miserable, miserable, and then I'm relieved when I get a win. Like, it seems like a very tough profession, but how has it changed you, I guess, as you've gotten older?

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, I think people that come around here have mentioned that, you know, at a sideline pro last week said you seem like the most relaxed coach right before the game of all the SEC coaches. And I think I've worked on that a lot, but I think working on myself and being this version of myself has allowed me to just get into a space with myself in relationships with players and coaches and people that I just couldn't access before, if that makes sense.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, absolutely. More relatable. Yeah, a little Bit more of a human probably here.

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Not.

[Lane Kiffin]

Not as transactional, not as, hey, I'll get you to the NFL. Here's the plays that help you win versus hey, how are you doing in life? Like, how can we help you all around? And so I just think that that that has helped. And it's not. I didn't do it to help. It just. It's helped. It's created more genuine relationships. And I don't know that that has to do with winning and losing. I really don't care if it does. I just like living that way a lot better.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I'm assuming it's much more fulfilling watching the boys grow their relationships and then seeing them have massive amounts of success. You, obviously, we've seen everything you've done because of the football royalty that you are from your dad, we believe were like, I think 100% sure, 99% sure, created like the Tampa 2, obviously in the entirety. Whenever you talk about football and what that did to change the trajectory of the sport as a whole, especially, especially defensive football, you obviously on the offensive side, was that very young that you were like, I'm going to be a genius on the offensive side, was there ever a time where there was a thought of maybe I'd be continue the defensive mastermindness of life? And how do you feel about the way you go about running your offense? The number we got is a third of your passes are explosive plays. That number is outrageous. The 33% of your throws are longer than 20 yards down the field. Their completion down the field. So how did we get to this offense and why did you choose offense? I think with who your dad is is the questions that I have.

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, I think playing quarterback helped me move that direction, but I've been so fortunate in that because I was raised with my dad, so I learned defense from him. And I was always listening to the problems that teams and schemes gave him. Then I went to Pete Carroll for six years, an assistant for him, so I got to listen to him. Then I went to Nick Saban. You're talking about three of the greatest defensive minds ever. That one I was raised with. The other two I spent nine years combined was sitting in meetings where they were talking about gives them problems and just kind of kept all that information and then created this offense and then added the tempo part to it, kind of the. The Baylor style when Art Briles came to us at fau. And so that's where we are now. And, and like you said, the explosive plays, I think pays Off. I think we led the country in plus 30 yard plays last year and first again this year. And obviously that has a lot to do with great players too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but I mean, you're fun to watch too, sprinting your ass down the sideline. You get excited throwing oops to the boys this past weekend. I mean, we love. You guys are an exciting brand of ball, which I think is why we're also pumped at Ole Miss. All the way back now at the quarterback position, there's a lot of questions, especially with an announcement that was just made for the New York Giants. Go ahead, D. Bud.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, Jackson Dart. Obviously he's in a big city right now. He'll be starting his NFL career being a starter this week. But how do you kind of balance. You're. You're at a program where people and quarterbacks going to come and try to win a national championship. How do you balance winning on the college level and developing these quarterbacks for the next level?

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, our system really has a lot of NFL elements in an offense for them, protections, routes, different runs and stuff. We just happen to go really fast. And I think over time, defensive coordinators have said that, including Coach Saban, that what Ole Miss does, what this system does is it gives you problem plays, but goes really fast also. And so I think that's helped our quarterbacks play really well. It's awesome for Jackson. Sounds like that's an official announcement of a starter.

[Pat McAfee]

Hold on, there was another. Now granted, if we. If he ends up starting, I'm gonna count it. Yeah. On three. Was reporting this. So it wasn't us that did this. I just want to let you know and I have respect for.

[Lane Kiffin]

Well, then it's got to be official. It's. It's somewhere on Twitter. So that's.

[Pat McAfee]

You got it. No, that's absolutely right. Yes. Jackson was awesome for you guys. Watch him run. I think he got definitely concussed that one game against Florida. Florida, I think it was, if I recall. He's tough, athletic. The boys love him. I guess the moxies through the roof. Feels like we need that. As Elaine Kiffin, quarterback is that something you look for the personality, the type of guys that you have on your team? Is there moxie confidence levels that you kind of either attract or look for whenever you're deciding who's going to be on Ole Miss?

[Lane Kiffin]

There is.

[Pat McAfee]

I.

[Lane Kiffin]

It doesn't have to be because there's all kinds of different personalities that can be great quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

Jacks.

[Lane Kiffin]

I do really enjoy like that relationship with Jackson Dart. When you find somebody that really commands the team in the locker room and is enjoyable to be around. And, you know, even though we get older as a coach, man, we still like hanging out with people. And so, you know, you have a alpha male like that. That's. That's a great guy that comes from an awesome family. Like, it's great to hang out with, too. You know, we go. I beat him, but, you know, we go and play pickleball together. You know, we've taken trips together, so it was a really cool relationship and still is, actually. I have a buy. And I think they're playing at the Saints, so maybe I can go see him play. But he. He's awesome. I talk to him every. Every week.

[Pat McAfee]

You're a pickleball player. You're a good pickleball player. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lane Kiffin]

I. I don't know that I'm good. I have a really good partner. Okay, so that helps.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, but. So you just hide out. You just serve and then hide out, and then the partner's taking all the kitchen work or what?

[Lane Kiffin]

It depends. Sometimes we play a one. One stack. You know, like, if we're. If we're down a little bit, I put the great player, and then you just play behind. Play kind of fit off of him, you know, like a safety off of a great linebacker.

[Pat McAfee]

Where do we play at? Do you guys have, like, a little spot there at Ole Miss? Are you at a club? You had a pickleball? Is there pickleball clubs? I guess there. There probably is at this point of this entire thing.

[Lane Kiffin]

Not in Oxford, Mississippi.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but we have a court right.

[Lane Kiffin]

On campus right here. Man, we just go play with the. With the people. That's part of this whole Mississippi change, you know, like, and. And really, when I say you don't know what to expect and what the plans are, and. And I had never thought, man, I'm gonna love to live in Oxford, Mississippi. That's where I want to go. And I would have told you the opposite when I was in LA or in South Florida, probably, and now I love it here. And so sometimes just need a place to slow you down.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, the universal got you. You know, they'll put you in there, especially if you're going to be doing some Pilates. You know, I see you stretching that lower back, getting a downward dog in that look like it's a great time. There's a. You said if it's on Twitter, it must be official. We saw something from your Twitter. Okay. That we were all taking as official. Connor has a question. For you.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, Coach, I love the stuff on Twitter. I'm really pumped for the over this weekend. Go Rebels, all over it. But one of my favorite parts is actually on Twitter when, you know, you and your shenanigans, if you will, during SEC media day. What's your favorite part about fucking with Fein Bomb? Because I love it and it's kind of the best content usually out of those media days over those couple weeks. What is kind of the overarching fun for you in it?

[Lane Kiffin]

Well, I enjoy the Paul part. You know, actually in that preview that you guys just showed, you know, Paul says the Miley Cyrus of college football, you know, like, and. And he's taking a shot at Miley Cyrus too. Like that Miley Cyrus isn't good. So I still say to him, I'm like, you know, miley Cyrus still doing pretty good. So your comment didn't really like make a lot of sense at all. And so, but, you know, now Paul's like the expert on everything. And so it's all right. It's kind of. It's enjoyable when I'm on with him and he just freezes and he like gets stuck. So I really, I really enjoy that. Plus, he used to be Matt. He used to be terrible to Coach Saban, so. So I kind of feel like I got to get Coach Saban's back too.

[Pat McAfee]

How do you feel about Coach Saban, man? I'm getting a chance to work with him. I love him. This guy is unbelievable. He's unreal in every setting that I see him. Dinner setting is unreal. Production meeting is unreal. Talking to the coach, he's unreal. Sitting with us, he's unreal. Leadership advice on. It's like every setting that I've seen him in, he's like a machine of just like what the perfect thing to do is. I couldn't imagine coach with him. You know, in that trailer they talk about. Those are ash chewing. Okay, we ain't. This ain't an argument. This ain't a two way street here. This is a one way road. What. Obviously you give him a lot of credit. You just did there. What did he mean to your career? And is that going to be showcased, you think, during this documentary?

[Lane Kiffin]

Again, I haven't seen it, so. But they said he interviewed him for it, but he was awesome for those three years to give me that opportunity to come work for him again. Think about those defensive coaches. I said, I got to be around. Well, I got to be the offensive offensive coordinator for national championship Alabama, Nick Saban. Team and USC national championship teams. Like, that's unbelievable to have those opportunities to learn from. And I just take a lot of both Pete Carroll and Nick Saban, what they did, and have kind of combined it to what we are here. I think we're kind of a real combination of both.

[Pat McAfee]

Go ahead, A.J.

[AJ Hawk]

I guess throughout all your different, you know, coaching gigs that you have had, I know coaches obviously are always moving around, but you've had so much different experience. Experience, NFL, college, all over the place, I guess. Were you always, you know, paying attention, taking notes, building your book of what you're going to do, like, as a head coach, wherever that may be, even no matter, you know, some places worked out better than others. But you have so many things to. So many great coaches, I guess, to rely on. Were you always taking things and writing them down? Like, how do you remember these things that maybe nick Saban said 15, 20 years ago?

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, I think just a lot of experiences with them. And then when things come up, I do it all the time.

[Darius J. Butler]

Done.

[Lane Kiffin]

I'll have a situation come up, decision to make, and I'll go, okay, Coach Carroll would have done this. Coach Saban would do this. Like, and so it's just awesome experience to. To draw back to being with those guys and. And really young with Coach Carroll. And so you go through experiences, then you get these head jobs at really young age. And so those are experiences, too, because you screw a lot up. And, you know, I say to people, think how much better you'd be as a parent the fifth time around. Well, a lot of head jobs. And so fifth time around, you get a lot better if you learn from your mistakes. So I think that's. That. That's kind of what I feel like has happened in my life and with.

[Pat McAfee]

Coaching, I think you were ahead of the curve whenever you sent Janikowski out there for a 76 yarder or whatever it was. It's like they're doing that now. Now guys are going out there for 66, 70 yards. I think you were ahead of the curve, and the confidence you showed in the Polish cannon is an absolutely beautiful thing. I love that you did that. I want to let you know, and I hope that has a little piece of the documentary tonight. Seabass didn't hit that one clean, but if he would have, that thing would have been good. I think Lane, I. I still think it was the right decision.

[Lane Kiffin]

See, sometimes we're just ahead of the curve. They just aren't ready for it yet. And he had made that in practice. And like you said, I've always been, I'm going to believe in the players. We go for it more on fourth down than anybody. We run all these plays that. But that's not just out of nowhere. It's because we believe in the players and we put on them, hey, we know you can make these plays. And I think that's why a lot of people come play for us.

[Pat McAfee]

Jay, you can make us, right? 76 got a little wind in the face. That might be a little tough. I don't. This could be.

[Lane Kiffin]

It was actually Lechler, the punter is the one by me and goes, hey, we got this, coach.

[Pat McAfee]

And I'm like, all right, Shane. Sure. Shane's up for, for the hall of Fame yet again. I hope he gets in there. Goat. I love everything about him. 76 yard field goal. It's 15 nothing. Is that five field goals? Would this been the sixth field goal of the half?

[Lane Kiffin]

No, but it might have. Might have been.

[Pat McAfee]

Could you imagine? Sebastian Jankowski has the greatest half in the history of a kicker. This one comes up a little short.

[Lane Kiffin]

Then I'm like, oh, there goes the returner.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Yep. But the big play was made. Yeah. Yeah. Shane would have made the tackle. Tackle for you. Shane would have made a tackle for you. All right, let's go over to.

[Lane Kiffin]

I could feel Al Davis up in the press box going, it's returned this coach. I'm firing this coach. I think he fired me the next week anyway.

[Pat McAfee]

Hold on. You were left on a tarmac too? What was that usc? Is that real?

[Lane Kiffin]

I wasn't left on the tarmac.

[Pat McAfee]

That just.

[Lane Kiffin]

It sounds better when you say tarmac. We landed and then the AD in the airport right there in a side room room met with me and I was actually on the bus going back to the facility at usc because they sleep at the office back then and get ready for the next game. And then he called me. It was like three o', clock, like in the private airport there. And that's where he told me.

[Pat McAfee]

So he showed up a little bit late. Oh, where's he at? He's already on the bus.

[Lane Kiffin]

We didn't want that to get me off the bus. I had no idea.

[Pat McAfee]

You're sitting front seat there.

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, which is why I was upset at Fine Bomb. Because that day is the day. Fine Bomb. It's like his first time on game day. He must make this big splash, which, remember he was a Tennessee guy, so he hated me for leaving Tennessee, so here was his chance. So he does this whole Miley Cyrus thing in the AD and president are watching it like, well, we probably gotta get rid of this head coach. If it's like Miley Cyrus, they get rid of me that morning at three in the morning, whatever it is. So. And now I can look back and say, hey, Paul, thanks. Because if you wouldn't have got me fired there, I would have never got to Nick Saban.

[Pat McAfee]

And then Nick Saban leaves down to South Florida where you start doing your thing. And then all of a sudden we're at Ole Miss. And now your name's up for everything, everywhere, all the time. And we're thankful that you're back at the top. Let's go to Hammer Down Time. AP Tone has a question for you.

[AP Tone]

Yeah, coach, you don't mind taking jabs at other SEC coaches on Twitter or interviews? Who your favorite SEC coach to take jabs at? And who. Do you play more pickleball or does Hugh Freeze play more golf?

[Lane Kiffin]

I think Hugh Freeze plays a lot more golf. And pickleball is like 30 minutes over here. You know, like, we go over and play and. And it's kind of bonding, too. Staff. We play players, play with the players sometimes. Me and one of our coaches beat our two receivers the other day.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on. You beat the boys. I don't know what coach.

[Lane Kiffin]

I don't know what coach. You know, Jimbo's gone now, so.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, last question. Harold Perkins, obviously an absolute monster on the LSU defense. Whit Weeks is a beast. We all know that. We know he. Yep. He is an absolute. How are you preparing for this LSU defense? Defense? What are the thoughts?

[Lane Kiffin]

Well, these guys are really good, as you said. Those are two great, phenomenal players.

[Pat McAfee]

Good men, too, from what I've been told.

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, Perkins has got to be the fastest linebacker we've seen a long, long time. Like, this guy's like Derek Brooks or something. I mean, he chases people down. It's unbelievable. His skill set. We played him as a true freshman. I thought for sure by now he'd be gone as the fifth pick of the draft somewhere, something. So it's really challenging. They do a great job. They're really well coached. And now they've got the secondary better with these three new pieces they went out and bought. And so this is. This is big time now.

[Pat McAfee]

Certainly is. We can't wait to watch your team. We're incredibly proud of you. Even though we don't know you for everything that you've gone through and where you've gotten today, we can't wait to watch tonight alongside you I guess you're going to be watching. Whoa. Couldn't even imagine the anxiety potentially leading up to what seven o' clock is going to bring. But maybe you don't even have that anymore because it's the new Lane Kiffin. We'll learn about that tonight.

[Lane Kiffin]

No, I really don't. I mean, I'll be here working actually. And, and someone asked me about that and they said, and I said, I'm not worried because when you're genuine and real in interviews and everything, what, whatever people take is what they take, you don't have to worry about anything. So there's no anxiety about it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I'm not going to add there's.

[Lane Kiffin]

More anxiety about this LSU defense, I can promise you that.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. As there has to be. I mean, the boys are flying around. They got a six foot five safety, I think, and in a six foot three corner, you talked about pieces being bought, which is incredible. Which actually leads to. What is your thoughts on the current state of college football? I guess we should. We ask this to everybody. What are your thoughts on it? Obviously you have to adapt, evolve. You have to lean into it if you want to have successful. It's everybody's rules. What are. How do you. You feel about it as a guy who's been around for so damn long?

[Lane Kiffin]

Yeah, I don't like it for college football at all. I mean, I don't think there's anybody that, that thinks it's a good thing that, that players are playing at four or five teams, you know, in college. And so I might. I don't like that. I don't like that it doesn't have the same camaraderie in the locker room because, you know, everyone chose to go there, grew up wanting to go to the school or so many players are now, which is fine, but they choose to go to school because it pays them more money. They don't, they didn't grow up a fan of it. So I don't like that part of it. And it gives the kids away. Whenever things aren't going well, I just go in the portal and I leave. So there are good parts of it for the players. It's great that they get paid, but I don't think it's really good for college football that there's so much movement.

[Pat McAfee]

Feels like everybody's saying the same thing. Have a great season, good luck. And you're one of the most influential voices in the sport. So keep saying it, brother. Keep saying it.

[Lane Kiffin]

All right, guys, have a great week. Thanks for having me hey, thank you for joining us.

[Pat McAfee]

We should do this again. Yeah.

[Lane Kiffin]

This is my first invite ever. I didn't.

[Pat McAfee]

You know that's not true. That is not true. You know that.

[Lane Kiffin]

There's my Sid. He just said it's true.

[Boston Connor]

That guy's coming.

[Pat McAfee]

Come on.

[Lane Kiffin]

I think I've even tried to. Come on, you guys. Like, yeah, we got bigger people, you know, like, bigger.

[Pat McAfee]

Lane.

[Lane Kiffin]

Get on here.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time, Sid sucks. I don't like Campbell. He's a Campbell.

[AQ Shipley]

Of course.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, yeah, same last name. Guy still sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, no, he's great. He's great. All right. We appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck with everything. Thank you for joining, joining us, and congrats on finding who you're supposed to be throughout this entire life process. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach at Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin. Crazy life. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

That's gonna be great.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. That trailer was awesome. We have pitched things like this by a lot of people. You know, like, hey, here's a trailer for a documentary we're doing. Do you want to talk to the person? Hey, here's a trailer for a documentary. Do you want to talk? It's a very cool stage of this show, having that kind of show up. That is much better than having to. Which we still have to do every single day. It's a process, you know, and you'll take care of it. As soon as that trailer came through. Just because of my age and I think our age, like, we have lived lan Kiffin's. Yeah. Entire thing. So for him sitting down and chitchatting about it, like, very excited. And McGee is the one doing it. Now we're talking.

[AJ Hawk]

AJ I mean, when I saw McGee pop up in the trailer. Yeah, you knew it was going to be great, but most people don't. I mean, I forget a lot of lanes, the things that happen with Lane and the tarmac and the Raiders gig. Like, Lane has lived a colorful life as a coach, and he's only 50 years old. Like, the dude. It's going to be great. I can't wait to see this.

[Pat McAfee]

His football life has been in dog years. Like, absolutely. You know, for Tennessee, we see that with the Florida thing. Then show him. Nope, that ain't going to happen. Then leaving in the middle of the night. See, I don't want to do it. Usc then. Usc becoming the tarmac story. I was actually way off the tarmac through the. Through the fbo. They probably gave him a little food, actually a little snack. Got onto the bus, sat down on the bus. And then I was called back off of the bus, back into fbo, back in the private room. Then I was fired. But I guess there was a tarmac at some point in that entire thing that ran with it. And then his resurgence in the college ball. All the rumors, all the stories. Yeah. I mean, it's just one thing after another. Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin. And then now it feels like he's very content. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Feels like he's very content there for.

[Boston Connor]

The next 25 years. Like, that's how it feels.

[Pat McAfee]

Never would have said I wanted to live in Oxford, Mississippi. Okay. Never would have said that. Jeez Louise, could you imagine? And he said, I get here. Turns out I needed this place. I love this place. His name is up for a job on a regular basis. There's one panhandle over there, the Gaius. His name is up all the time for the Florida Gators. Anytime there's a thought that the Gators might be up, it's like, lane Kiffin, really. Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin. And then people are like, elaine, Lane loves Florida. There's always, like, that whole thing. Seems like he's pretty happy with everything going on at Ole Miss.

[Boston Connor]

The Rebel.

[Pat McAfee]

He's very comfortable. And if he. Does he have the backing he has to. All the players he has, he has to have money down there.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, they've lost a couple. I mean, they lost Judkins. They are the only one, though.

[AP Tone]

They are traditionally one of the highest spenders in the portal each season.

[Pat McAfee]

What were you shaking your head for?

[Ty Schmidt]

Maybe now. I was just thinking nil, though. I don't think Ole Miss. When I think sec. Ole Miss isn't one of the first, like, four teams I'm thinking of.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, who are they?

[Ty Schmidt]

Georgia, for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Bama.

[Ty Schmidt]

Bama, Texas, lsu, Oklahoma. I mean, I don't know if Oklahoma's of the A and M like that. There's.

[Pat McAfee]

You're thinking of A and M before Ole Miss right now in terms of money.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

No, I'm not.

[Boston Connor]

No. Just name recognition.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I didn't know you were talking about money. You're. I thought you were saying name recognition.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, no, but. But same deal.

[Pat McAfee]

They wouldn't be like, I think Ole Miss above. Couple of those schools you said name recognition for money, I think. I think some of those schools don't have a lot.

[Boston Connor]

Oh, for money.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, for money. We're talking about money. Right, right, right. Yeah. I think there's a couple of those schools that maybe over the next 10 years, we'll see what ends up happening. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And I mean, like I said, I could be wrong. It's just. I mean. And they've been good throughout his tenure, obviously, and they need to kind of make that next step and get to the playoffs. But they're still. I. I feel like in the sec, kind of always on the outside looking in.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. The SEC coaches and people are talking about how much money the north has. A lot. A lot of money being talked about from the North. AJ and all the north used to talk about is how much money the south used to give to everybody all the time. That is kind of what the. That used to be the convo. Now it's completely flipped. Like, we can't keep. What do we. What are we. Those guys got. They got sick. Big up billionaires. What's this? What is going on up here? And then north was like, oh, it was fun, wasn't it? Whenever nobody was allowed to do it, but everybody was doing it. That's literally the two conversations taking place. I love that. Lane Kiffin's back in the spotlight, ladies and gentlemen. Let's spotlight something that doesn't get spotlighted enough. Let's spotlight the big guys. It's time to go in the trenches with the top five performing offensive lines from week three of the NFL season.

[AQ Shipley]

Let's go. Here we go.

[Pat McAfee]

Number five.

[AQ Shipley]

Number five, the Washington commander.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. Marcus Mariota.

[AQ Shipley]

Quarterback Marcus Mariota. And they did not skip a beat with him in there. And if you take a look at this, look. Look who's over there. Right tight end. Who is that?

[Pat McAfee]

78. What?

[Boston Connor]

Move him over.

[AQ Shipley]

And they only got a tight end over here. And they get. They're doing all the same stuff they do with Jaden Daniels. They do not skip a beat with Cliff Kingsbury at the helm calling place. And this guy in there, Marcus Mario, that quarterback. It's the same offense. They had over 200 yards rushing. Rookie Connerly Jr. Against Max Crosby only gave up one sack and it was late. Really good group.

[Darius J. Butler]

Really good.

[Pat McAfee]

That looks pretty easy for Mark sm.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. Wait, if. If Ton's at right tackle, who's the caboose at left tackle? The left tackle is huge.

[Pat McAfee]

Left guards.

[Darius J. Butler]

Who the hell?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, they had tackle over, bro.

[AQ Shipley]

You know who that is? That's Chris Paul. They had two new guards in this game, too. Chris. Chris Paul played left guard, and Nick Allegretti, who came over from the Chiefs was out, and they played Andrew Wiley. So whole new unit and still.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, question for you. A.J. hawk. What are the percentages of tackle over and then running the opposite way? I assume a defense thinks you move Laramie Tunzel over there for a reason. We're obviously going heavy. We're going left, left, left, close, close, close. What are you doing? And then for them to go the back way, is that just not expected? That's what Cliff Kingsbury is doing here.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

And you read that end, too. If you run it back, who's the end with it? 51 right here. They he's unblocked and you're reading him. So watch it. Bluff by the tight end.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, y. Here we go.

[AJ Hawk]

He didn't know what to do. Like, who am I supposed to take if I'm that dm? Good luck. But yeah, in it. This also sets up for when they do want to run to that overload side. Like, it's good to show this for a defense because they can't just load up and say, all right, they're.

[Pat McAfee]

They're running the tunel not just against the Raiders. We're talking about for the next three, four weeks too running this week, right?

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely. Because this thing, like when you run a play, it stays on tape for four weeks. You got to prepare for it. There's another play I wanted to show, but he fumbled late and. And gave up the ball. But they had garden tackle pulling left, guy in motion going right, tight end coming back across. The defense was in a blender, just stuck. And then Marcus Mariota out in front, like, over the whole defense went left. And then he just follows his two tight ends like they're doing some really cool stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

Feels like there's some play designers and play callers that can make offensive linemen better. The Washington Commanders. Number five coming out of week three. Who's the number? Number four ranked performing offensive line of.

[AQ Shipley]

Week three, the Minnesota Vikings. And let's start with big number 71. Christian Derrisaw is back from his ACL injury. Watch again. We talk about making it easier for guys, right? We're going to send Hawkinson through. Darasaw looks like he's just walking. All he's doing is sealing. Trey Hendrickson right there opens up the hole. Donovan Jackson. Big number 74, the rookie out of Ohio State. Let's take a look at him. Put his at, put his guy on his ass. And then let's look at Brian O' Neal on the backside. Big number 75. Pro Bowler out of Pittsburgh from Delaware, driving his ass on the ground.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, Neil out of Pittsburgh. He's not scared to get rough and tough. Out there. Kevin o', Connell, one of those guys that helps out the offensive line.

[AQ Shipley]

He does a fantastic job. All the guys that come from the McVeigh system, they understand Cliff Kingsbury, McVeigh, Kevin O'. Connell, all these guys understand that when you make it easier, you're not running your head into a brick wall like half the guys in this league.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ who should we be talking about?

[AJ Hawk]

Look at the center, 65. Look how fast he gets up the second level. Here we go. Oh, all right. Here we go. Good luck. Run through my body if you want to get to this guy. Like, what a. It's so annoying when. When centers get up to the second level that quick. Like, all right, man, what am I going to do here?

[AQ Shipley]

Does a great job wheeling his hips too, and hooking them at the end there.

[Pat McAfee]

Really? Minnesota Vikings number four. Congrats to them. Who's the number three ranked offensive line coming out of week three?

[AQ Shipley]

The best team in the NFL, the Buffalo Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that number three offense line.

[AQ Shipley]

Here, let me set this up real quick. So they're going to make it look like they are running zone to the right. If you notice, they got back offset to the left, fullback offset to the right. They're going to make it look like they're running zone to the right and sending Jackson Hawes back across. But guess what? They're running same side counter, making it easy on the tight end. Coming back across. Seal them full back around two. Tight end or tight end, fullback coming back on the counter. Pretty awesome stuff.

[Pat McAfee]

Just easy yards, you're saying? Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

What are the fins doing?

[AQ Shipley]

This is what you do. This is how you do it. Look, they make it seem like they get him crashing down because he thinks it's zone away and it's same side counter coming right back to him.

[Pat McAfee]

AJ what are your thoughts on what the Dolphins are doing? What are they reading? What are they misreading, pal?

[AJ Hawk]

Well, I don't know. You put them in, it makes it tough too. Cuz now the tight end's coming back. So he's diving under the DN number two there. He's diving under. Next time you might bluff him and go around. And we're going to keep it and go outside. So whatever you choose, whether to dig it out or try to box it, you might be screwed.

[Pat McAfee]

So many quick.

[AJ Hawk]

They're slanting. Look at the whole D line slanting down. That's the thing. You're running that right into that, that slanting line. You see both of them crashing down. Like, good luck. They that's a good time to call that play.

[Pat McAfee]

So many quick decisions have to be making. Then we got DBs making tackles on running backs. I know you guys love that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Don't love that. That ain't what we get paid for.

[AQ Shipley]

That's what we get paid for to get our guy to that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Exactly. Good coaching.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, who's the number two offensive line in the NFL out of week three? Yeah, I don't love the two up there. I thought there may be a different number, but I like that they're getting recognized.

[AQ Shipley]

Number two is pretty good.

[Pat McAfee]

Three weeks.

[AQ Shipley]

Number two is pretty good. Let's start with that vocal leader you keep talking about. I keep talking about Quentin Nelson. Let's watch this single with him and Bortolini up to the backside back. And then let's take a look at Tyler Warren. Supposed to go downhill, scoot outside, right shoulder, make a move, spin. See you later, boys. Off to the house.

[Boston Connor]

That boy's a player.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that's what we do right here. Michael Pittman getting some late, too. I like that. Downfield, Quentin Nelson and Bortolini are paisans. Quickly, it seems like they're on the same page. Is there anything different with this offense than there was last year, or is it just more to this offense than there was last year?

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, Tyler Warren gives you that attitude element. Like, even right here, like, obviously, he's in tight end. Sometimes he lines up at fullback. There's so much stuff he can do. And in this case right here, when you look at this from the very beginning, he's supposed to hit through. Straight ahead, right through that B gap. But then he recognizes it and doesn't just run into his tackle. Makes a little subtle move and still gets a great block.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So Jonathan Taylor has to just kind of follow his blocks.

[AQ Shipley]

And that right there, you don't. You didn't see that in years past. It's. That's what gives you the home run. Run runs is receivers, extra effort downfield. Like, he could have stopped right there, which kind of looks like he does. Let's go get a piece because this.

[Pat McAfee]

Could have been a tackle that's absolutely blocking the back.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, it was close.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'd be pissed.

[Boston Connor]

He dove and missed him.

[Pat McAfee]

He hit him on the shoulder. He hit him on side. Clearly, guys, left hand.

[Boston Connor]

Good run by J.T. but those holes are so big. I mean, anybody can fit through huge.

[AQ Shipley]

And it starts by having a fullback. I talk about this all the time. If there's no fullback there, they're out leveraged. Against the defense. And when you have the fullback now, you can work back a guy and.

[Darius J. Butler]

Always work that part right there. That's the special part.

[Pat McAfee]

And then the celebration is sick as well. I will say, AJ how do you stop it? You don't.

[Darius J. Butler]

You don't.

[AJ Hawk]

You don't stop there. Look. I mean, look at him. Look how many people he makes miss. Like, you are not supposed to score on this play. And he does.

[Darius J. Butler]

This is awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Jonathan Taylor playing very good football right now. The Colts playing very good.

[AJ Hawk]

What a play by Quentin Nelson, too. Like, what a great stat for Quentin Nelson. He me kidding me.

[AQ Shipley]

That's a great.

[Pat McAfee]

And then he'll be the first one down there. Look at him. Got to get down here, boys. We did it, boys. We did it, boys. I love everything about it. If they're not number one, who is? Who's the number one performer?

[Boston Connor]

Oh, oh, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. All right. I understand what they did. They had. He had to do it. Fair play, fair play.

[AQ Shipley]

The Detroit Lions, number one. And let's take a look at this right here. We got that super eye formation again right now. Now we're going to go over and debut AJ Talk a little bit how this affects you guys, too, because when you line up in that straight eye, you don't know where the strength of the formation is. And then they motion, so it, like, holds the defense for half a second. Now you see them, they're trying to get adjusted to it, and then boom, you snap it quick on them.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, that's more so for a close call.

[AJ Hawk]

But, yeah, you're waiting when. When that. That stack, that humid centipede eye, you're. You're waiting for them to shift down and get. They could also snap the ball there, too. So just gets their defense playing on the heels for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Talking about Soul Train line, Kong, the dance line. Look at them.

[AQ Shipley]

They're still trying to get lined up. Oh, now we get the nose guard down finally. And then they get everybody plussed over to the strength. And I always say it, whenever you run this duo play to the strong side. Everybody overplays it. And when you overplay it, what's juicy? That big backside B cut. Watch Pen sort of tool and Ratledge open this thing up. Right tackle, right guard, right guard, right tackle. Follow the circle. So take him inside, take him out. Look at that hole, boys.

[Darius J. Butler]

Great vision.

[Pat McAfee]

They feel pretty good.

[Boston Connor]

Missing Van Noy.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, what a moment this is for Penny. Watch how cool Penne looks throughout the entirety of this thing. Okay. Obviously gonna have to get the edge. Let me go ahead and create a hole. Follow my ass. I got you. And then just throws the guy to the ground and then just struts. Yeah. What up. What a day for Ben Azul. He's been a guy since he got there and he got the highest run blocking grade PFF has ever given out in this game right here. Wow. For whatever that's worth, I really like that. Well, congrats to the top five offensive lines around the NFL that normally bodes well for how your team's going to do the rest of the year. If this follows the trend of last year's in the trenches. Top five performing offensive lines of each week. Number one, Lions. Two, Colts. All right. Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, Washington Commanders. A lot of good football teams, a lot of good play callers. Detroit Lions. We should consider them be all the way back when it comes to play calling, play designing and everything like that.

[AQ Shipley]

This was cool for me to see this week because last week I was a little concerned after week one. Last week it was a lot of gadgets, a lot of creativity, a lot of shifts, motions, making it easy on the O line. This week they lined up and said, said, we're gonna beat the out of you.

[Pat McAfee]

No, we're gonna put three guys in the backfield behind you. Yeah, I think that's a Johnny Moe special too because I don't think Ben Johnson ever did this. First time we saw this and they ran this play a lot. Well, what do you know? Johnny Mo, he said, I got three guys in the backfield that played near.

[Darius J. Butler]

The goal line too. They had St. Brown pitched it.

[Pat McAfee]

That was hell of a handoff pitch. Yeah. Yeah, that was awesome.

[Darius J. Butler]

Change. Yeah, perfect.

[AQ Shipley]

Go back to the second quarter, same formation, ran the quarterback sneak. So they set it up with the quarterback sneak with St. Brown offset to the left and then they come back and run it. It's always setting it up.

[Pat McAfee]

It's always, that's Johnny Mo up. Congratulations. There it is.

[Boston Connor]

That's tough.

[Pat McAfee]

That is tough. Is that Sonic and Knuckles?

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know if we can give 4 or 5. Not sure we can give Johnny Mo credit. I believe they ran that last year. Foxy.

[AQ Shipley]

Pretty. Pretty sure. I saw a clip of 2019.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, you did.

[AQ Shipley]

TM Hill and Camara when Dan Campbell was with the Saints.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, it's a Dan Campbell player. Mon can make that pitch. Aman does everything for us. He's unbelievable, by the way. Yeah, St. Brown.

[Boston Connor]

So those three of almond raw and.

[Pat McAfee]

The two running backs is Just congratulations to the Lions number one offensive line after week three. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to learn about about the other side of the ball. It has been a staple of the program. It has made us all better and smarter. It's time to go. Everything DB, good D& bad day. Darius, what do we have?

[Darius J. Butler]

Here we go, the good D. Talking about highest rated games by PFF since we're holding their water today. 99.9 grade for Isaiah Rogers. Had an unbelievable game. Had a pick six that we've seen a couple times earlier throughout the week. And this look get a little positive gain if you're the Bengals first and 10. Nope. Stripped it, picked it up and took it back to the crib for his second touchdown. The only Vikings defender to ever score multiple TDs in the game. We've been talking about this punch out. You rarely see it from guys of his stature, especially on a big tight end. But when you attack that ball, strip it, pick it up and then crib it, I mean, that's the trifecta. He is a special, special player. Big addition to this Minnesota Vikings defense. And this is just an all. This is one of those games you dream about on Saturday night when you go to sleep, man. Big time game by this guy.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm score two touchdowns tomorrow. Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

NFC defensive player of the week and obviously rightfully so.

[Pat McAfee]

Very violent defense though, on the zoom in there, the punch out. Very violent. Then linebacker over there was violent. It feels like B flows, defense humming Isaiah Rogers. Perfect for them. We're also incredibly happy for Isaiah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, he bounced back. You know, he goes through some. He was suspended for a year. You know, young player, made some mistake. Former cult. Went and won a Super bowl with the Eagles and then was a big time addition here. Eagles maybe even missing him a little bit because they're still trying to figure out who's going to be that other corner opposite of Quinon Mitchell. But yeah, he. He is making a great career for himself.

[Pat McAfee]

Number Flores.

[Ty Schmidt]

Lot of good D. Oh, yeah, a.

[Darius J. Butler]

Lot of good D. Pause on that. But yes, a lot of. Lot of good defense.

[Pat McAfee]

What a good day from B. D flow. It's just good D everywhere, is it?

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah. Get you some of this good D.

[Pat McAfee]

Over here is good D over there get some D. But everywhere is good D. That is what it is.

[Darius J. Butler]

Good coach. Good ball.

[Pat McAfee]

B flow's good D, Coach. He'll coach you up on that D. Yeah, you got average D. He'll make it good D. That's what he did when he went to the Vikings, without a doubt. That's why Kevin OConnell was like, Koc's like, I need that good D. Let me bring in Brian Flores.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, he knew. He knew. No, that's what he said Koc when he was on the program. He said, when I become a head coach, the only D I need is Brian Flores D in order for this team to kind of make it over the hump.

[Pat McAfee]

And we will say Brian Flores's D has been perfect for koc. And it's been sweet to see with that good old D over there with the Vikings, you know, and that's. That's something that we all. Skull, skull, skull, skull about. It's hard not to. And then you blow that horn.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Blow your lid out.

[Boston Connor]

Everybody schools.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You know, a lot of we're down with a good D there. Is this more good D here.

[Darius J. Butler]

This is a great defense. A shutout in the National Football League. I don't care who you're playing against, it's tough to do, especially against a divisional opponent. Michael Penix Jr. Had a very, very tough outing against his Panthers defense.

[Boston Connor]

Does he suck?

[Darius J. Butler]

It's too early to say. Zach Robinson, they made some changes. They fired their wide receiver coach. So fix everything.

[Boston Connor]

Wasn't he telling Pennix like, hey dude, throw this ball here?

[Darius J. Butler]

You know what, it's probably something that happened in the. In the locker room for sure when something like that happens. But Smith, Wade. Yeah, Smith, Wade in the slot here. You'll see him in cover. Now actually, this didn't start. It's great defense in my opinion because you run it here and then you pause it right before he throws the ball. You got a dagger concept at the bottom of the screen and he. Ray, Ray McLeod is going to be wide open coming in. Usually want to hit this guy about 2 yards outside of the hash. He doesn't see him. Instead he tries to go to the check down to the flat late, which you can never do in the NFL. Kenny Moore had a very similar pick six to start off the game against the Titans. Well, actually run it back a little bit. Start off the game against the Titans. So right here, maybe this is what fooled him. And we talk about it all the time. We with quarterback development showing him something pre snap and then rotating to something different post snap. So right now it looks like split safety. So possibly cover two, maybe some quarters and then you rotate to a single high post snap. So maybe he expected something differently. Pre snap, rotated post snap, didn't hit his read. Tried to go to a check down and paid dearly going.

[Pat McAfee]

I have a question. So he put that person in motion. They put old buddy in motion. Motion stud. What's his name? Kyle Pitts. He put Kyle Pitts in motion. It's not man. It's zone.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. That's a. That's the reason why. That's a Teller indicator or whatever. Because nobody's following. Yeah. So whenever he takes a snap here, should his first look be to how many safeties are back there? Because he knows it's his own. Is that his first look? If you're a quarterback?

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

So as soon as always got to see that. He potentially should see that. This is one right here.

[Darius J. Butler]

You're going post the middle. Middle close. Middle open. That's one of the first things. Things you're looking at for. Because that changes the pass concept a lot of times for the wide receivers in the dbs. But wide open and dagger. You run dagger against damn near any coverage. You know, cover two, cover four, cover three. His guy like he's looking that way. I don't understand why he doesn't go kind of from the high to the low. That's how we're taught to defend routes. And he did a great job in the flat. Being patient. And then breaking. We always talk about breaking on like indicators. Breaking when the quarterback is ready to pass the ball. Breaking the egg, some people call it. Take their hand off the ball. He was an Aki looking throw left side. But great job anticipating seeing it and then breaking. Making him pay. Taking it to the crib.

[Ty Schmidt]

There wasn't a bunch of pressure there.

[AQ Shipley]

No.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's not like he was a head scratcher.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He's young. He's young. Let the boy develop. Okay. Like Arch Manning down there in Texas and DJ Lagway over there in Florida.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's let these guys develop. Okay. We don't need these short leashes though. The time. With that being said, there's $108 million quarterback. That's right. In. In backup. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Raheem Morris put that down pretty quick.

[Darius J. Butler]

Pretty quick.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Kirk lost his job. We're nowhere near that. Next question. He did have a bad game. That's going to happen.

[Darius J. Butler]

Terrible game. Terrible game.

[Pat McAfee]

No good. Downright absolutely terrible game.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, it was bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's bury the ball.

[Darius J. Butler]

That's. That's Barry Ball for sure. You never want to get shut out. Young quarterback or quarterback, I don't care. C.J. strout had a great rookie year. Have been struggling since. Big moment in the game. It's fourth quarter. You're down to touchdown in good field position right here. This was a great once again pre snap disguise because right now this looks like man to man coverage. Jordan Lewis, one of the better slot corners in the league, paid him some good money coming over from the Cowboys. And watch how he fool. Like when I saw this live on TV, I'm like, what the hell is C.J. stroud doing? I'm thinking it's just a flat defender that was there the whole time. He thought he had the seven Rock was wide open, trying to sell it over the other man to man defender who would be on Dalton Schultz in the flat. Nope. Baited him, had the vision, saw him go out wide, baited him into that throw. And it is, it's still a terrible pick, you know, on film, but you got to feel that, you got to see that if you're a quarterback. But once again, showing a quarterback, a pitcher pre snap and then showing him something different post snap is something you got to adjust and deal with.

[Pat McAfee]

He baited butter, baited butter, baited butter here. And Jacksonville got a team leading the league right now.

[Darius J. Butler]

Interceptions.

[Pat McAfee]

So I believe Travis Hunter playing defense.

[Darius J. Butler]

He is, he's playing a lot of defense and he, he's getting it. I think he's playing good. He has some, some bang bang plays with Nico Collins, but he's, he's playing good on both sides of the ball. I think, you know, the season goes on little, I feel like maybe a little lost in the sauce a little bit on offense right now. It's a lot, a lot. He's got to figure out a lot on his plate. I wonder if they go a little more, hey, just play this side of the ball for the next few weeks.

[Pat McAfee]

Which would that be?

[Darius J. Butler]

That's only him because he's, he's, he's dynamic.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, when he got the ball, yeah, when he got the ball on Sunday, I mean it was, yeah, it should have been a five yard gain and it was a like 15 yard first down.

[Pat McAfee]

And then on defense, look, we saw him covering this guy. He's a part of the play here. Fourth quarter, obviously, big play in the game. He's out there locked down.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, but if I had to choose, you know, offense, you talk about quarterbacks being paid a ton of money, being handed the keys. Number one pick, already got a second contract, new coach. Let's see what we got with this guy. And you don't want one of your more talented players not really knowing where to line up and be because you can't play. You got to be able to just react and let those skills fully flourish.

[Pat McAfee]

It can be maybe some situations defensively for sure that you kind of have him out there because he's obviously an insane athlete and has the ability of doing it. And if they have a bunch of weapons on the other side, maybe get him a chance to get out there. There he is with the ball in his hands.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. So when you see some like that, it's all right, we gotta.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's get the ball.

[Boston Connor]

Gotta get this kind of ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. See, we're turning kicks to it. What do we. What do we got?

[Darius J. Butler]

Let's get him some touches for sure.

[Pat McAfee]

What were you gonna say, Q? I felt like you were gonna say something.

[AQ Shipley]

So ETN's also, I think number two or number three in the league in rushing. So, like, they have a very good run game. Their offensive lines drastically improved. They got the quarterback, they got some receivers. The tight end, Brenton Strange has become a guy. So, like, they're pretty good.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. They traded Tank Bigsby and their backup now, Basil Tutin. Actual name B H A S Y L. I think Tutin, very good. Has scored the last two games. Like, he honestly almost compliments ETM better because he's like a shorter, shiftier guy, whereas Tank was more so just like a. Hey, run right downhill, right through a motherfucker's face.

[Pat McAfee]

And Liam, good play designer. I am a good play caller. Right?

[AQ Shipley]

Great play designer and great play caller.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, Jacksonville.

[Darius J. Butler]

Mike, how do we feel about the quarterback, Trevor Lawrence? Yeah, how do we feel? Accused we got.

[AQ Shipley]

There's still a lot left to see.

[Boston Connor]

He stinks.

[AQ Shipley]

I think. I think his stats were 20 of 40 this past week.

[Pat McAfee]

20 hall of Fame. I'm going to be.

[Darius J. Butler]

I mean.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

First bout.

[Pat McAfee]

Still.

[AQ Shipley]

There's just still too many.

[Pat McAfee]

Too many. And there's also decisions that are made that it's like that's a bad decision. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Too many bonehead plays.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. But still maybe you miss a throw, like that's gonna happen. But like decision and miss throw. At this stage, I think a lot of people are like, what. When are we. When is it. Is it. Are we ever gonna. Right. That's all we're. But hey, we. We see it though.

[AQ Shipley]

It's there.

[Pat McAfee]

There's moments of awesome.

[Boston Connor]

He's got like. He's just got that little bit of Ryan Leaf still in him. And once he gets it out, he's going to really fly.

[Pat McAfee]

Just kind of like lets it loose a little.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly. Just a little too loosey goosey with it. Like once you Zero it in a little bit here. I mean that boy is. They might win the bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

Liam will do that. Liam will do that. I think I, I, I trust him down there. And I'm seeing a graphic on the back that I have not seen before.

[Boston Connor]

What is this?

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, Liam, Liam's calling some good to AQ's point. Yeah, this is I think the first time we've had a quad box on.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at a quad box. We got circles on people wide ass over. Is that what.

[Darius J. Butler]

And it's not a good one as you can see here. It's probably difficult for you to see him individually but these were all four of Caleb Williams touchdown passes. Now there have been plays and there always will be plays where people fans at home, hey, the guy was wide open. Why not had one actually earlier this year with DJ Moore, which was an adjustment. Why don't you hit him? So to Caleb's credit, he hit the open guys. Ben Johnson dialed up some good stuff. But let's get to the tape and see two of the these touchdowns. I mean you rarely see guys open like that in the National Football League. It's a flea flicker. Pause it. Cover three on any level of football. Cover three. What's the cornerback's responsibility in cover three?

[Pat McAfee]

Deep third.

[Darius J. Butler]

Deep third. So that's letting you know top down. So you do not have a run responsibility. The only time you have a run responsibility is if your guy crack blocks. Your wide receiver crack blocks, he makes, makes the contact knee, you see the running back downfield, you make a tackle 10 yards down the field, you're a deep third guy. Let it play. So once the ball is tossed to the running back, you should not be firing up, especially when that receiver is doing that. There's no way you or the free safety should be reacting to a handoff or a toss behind the line of scrimmage. Because when you do this is what's going to happen. And once again, credit to Caleb catching his ball and throwing the piss out of it. It in stride. Luther Burton, the rookie, big time play, 65 yards.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, especially with that toss back. I mean that thing was in the sky. It was like the toss he sent to. Exactly Coach Johnson in the locker room. And then he puts that thing on the dime.

[Darius J. Butler]

Hell of a ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Guy's wide open. Obviously can't have it. Can't have it.

[Darius J. Butler]

You can't have it. But that's discipline. That's like you're, you are a deep third player.

[JJ Watt]

So I mean working perfectly.

[Darius J. Butler]

Learn from.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna hand this off, everybody's gonna jump, and then, well, they'll be wide open. Like when somebody thought of the flea flicker, this was the exact reaction.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

This is the exact reaction.

[Darius J. Butler]

This is like a Friday practice script for success. You tell the scout team corner, hey, get ready for a run here. And then you run up. But you, you don't see guys, you see flea flickers work. But I mean, for him to be this wide ass open. Once again, a great throw from Caleb Williams to take advantage of play.

[Pat McAfee]

Stay in bonds, too.

[Darius J. Butler]

Terrible job on defense. And then this is another one from the quad box. Cole Comet, now YY Wing up top. Those two tight ends always has to be some communication between the flat defender, who is the circle safety there, and then the linebacker, who's going to be relating to three. Sometimes even the cornerback, especially if that back is too. You just got to know because one of the things we see a lot out of YY are two seams, right? So right here, I believe this would be like a cover three type. Look, look at down in the low red area. Run fake, running back bites up, which he has run responsibility. But nobody takes the scene. Wide ass open. You, you would think, you know, tight ends. I mean, I, I don't, I don't get it. Like, I don't understand.

[AJ Hawk]

Run fake actually helps him out a little bit. I think the run break, bringing three over to the two man side to the Y wing. It brings you, like, naturally where you, you could see that vertical. You could turn and run with it a little bit.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Aj I don't know what coverage they're playing. I can't speak for what their responsibilities may be. But I'm sitting there, if I see YY Wing, I'm thinking, I'm talking to my backer. Hey, tell me in the back is away pre snap. I'm talking like, you let me know if you're with me or you're not. If he stays on that side, I know I don't have any help if he comes, if he comes over here to the YY wing, I got help inside. I can drop one back.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that. That's hall of Fame talk.

[Darius J. Butler]

That is hall of Fame.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't know what coverage they're playing, though, to be honest.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, a problem whenever hall of Famer, future hall of Famer, can look at the table and say, I don't know what they're playing, and you see a guy catch the ball, I don't, I don't know if it's a defender within 10 yards of him from the 10 yard line in the end zone. That, that. You don't see that.

[Pat McAfee]

Once again, Caleb got real excited, threw some real sauce on this. Yeah. And it almost makes it look like it's that he's not as open. You know, it's kind of a diving catch and it's a quick tap and everything like that. It. I don't think I realized how wide ass open all these guys were until we saw the quad box. I was broached with the sub. Hey, we want to do a quad box for everything. DB I go, what do you want to do? And then he put the pictures up and it's like, holy, that's bad. That's four different plays. That is because you see one blunt assignment, you'll see a MA or whatever that happens. Four plays, it's happening. Is this on purpose? Like what. What the hell is going on?

[Darius J. Butler]

I mean, questions need to be asked, but you rarely. The one we don't won't go over. DJ Moore. They're wide receiver. I mean, look at them bottom right. What. What quadrant is that? Is that a quadrant?

[AQ Shipley]

That's quad four.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'll say quad four. Right there. Wide open in the middle end zone. Once again, no one near him. And then up top right, Trevon Diggs tried to do a quick jam. Fell stump. Yep, fell. Stumbled in Roman Dunes right at the field. But once again, the quarterbacks, they got to hit him. They got to find the mistakes and they got to hit him. So credit to him for hitting them. And to stay with the theme, two minute right here. Tie ball game, the visual matchup, two minute drive. Trevor Lawrence, Brian Thomas Jr. He was on good D a couple weeks ago. And now up top right here, these two guys circled Paul. So whenever they're running the combo coverage here, and I'm going to assume this, whenever you're running the combo coverage, a big key, running combo coverage of the corner safety, we got to be on the same level. Why? Because we want to see the same picture as the corner as the wide receivers release up. If I'm at 5 and you're at 8, we're going to see it and feel the speed differently. And then you have to have rules built into a combo coverage. One of the rules we used to always have, I was usually on the inside as a nickel or either a safety. If anybody hesitates as the inside defender, they come off slowly. I'm going to take that guy, I'm going to grab it just to clear it up, because offenses do that Intentionally to create confusion. So if you have that rule built in, that kind of will eliminate that confusion. So this is cj, GJ and Kamari Laster up there. So to me, if you run it back to the very beginning and hit play again, it looks like to me, number two hesitates. Like he is not a full speed release. So he kind of hesitates them. So I would grab that. That's what cj, GJ did. But the communication is key. We gotta be on the same page. I can't be right and you be wrong or vice versa. So Kamari, I think he expects to grab that out route and if it plays out perfect, if you, if you saw five seconds ahead of time, it will play out perfectly into a combine. I'll take the inside route, you take the outside route. Because of that hesitation, it fucks up who takes who. And then you got Brian Thomas Jr. Making a huge play in a two minute drive. He needed it for the confidence. Trevor Lawrence needs it and obviously the Jaguars need it and it helped them win this game. But big time miscommunication, I think it's not just something that happens on Sunday. This is walkthroughs, this is practice, this, this is meetings. Because a lot every week you're going to get stacks, bunches and motions. And especially when you put it on film like this, you're going to have to deal with it week in and week out.

[Pat McAfee]

Fourth quarter, two man Trevor Lawrence throws the seed. Just all the questions that were at AQ shots for you. Obviously the Houston Texans have a lot of questions right now. Cj, gj, no longer with the team.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. And who knows what all went into it. And then right here at the end of the play, ah, they didn't show it. But at the end of the play, yeah, Kamari Lasseter kind of goes and looks back immediately as soon as she pushed him out of bounce and it was like it's not on the replay. But he gives me one of these like looking at obviously the safety, like, what the hell is going on now we, you know, in the DB room, that might have been a fine because hey, don't. You don't put each other on blast. But you're in a tough spot because everybody that's watching Kamari Lasseter, man, you can't keep up with the guys ranked them cover him, cover him to do so. It's a tough spot to be in. But communication leading up to these plays, you never know when they're going to show up. Stacks, bunches, great release.

[AJ Hawk]

But you mentioned that, like that delay release when they stack behind each other. That makes it so tough. When you're at that combo coverage, you're right. Like you, you see cj, cj, gj, he knows he's jumping down trying to, trying to clamp that, that underneath guy. But yeah, look how hesitate.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, boom.

[AJ Hawk]

I'll take you out of here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, man. That's good play design.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, because they just come out and run those routes same speed. It'll fit perfectly. In theory we both have leverage. I take the out, you take the end. But when they come out and run it with that little sauce, a little hesitation on it, everything up.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, that's good shit. Everything. DB Good, deep, bad D good in the trenches.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

A.J. hawker, great work today, bud. Congrats on the nomination for the Pro Football hall of Fame. That is Corey. Dude, it is cool. As a three time nominee myself, it is a cool thing. But also, let's not let it affect our lives. Yes. That's how you feel too?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. It's not affecting. Yeah, we're good.

[Pat McAfee]

But boy, if you get in that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Be so how can that affect you?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you're right. Especially for AJ Hawk for the first time really ever getting the recognition and the nod of like. Yeah, you dung all time leading tackler for one of the oldest franchise in all sports.

[Darius J. Butler]

Put him in. Put him in the ring of honor.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Darius J. Butler]

Well, Green Bay, that's where it start.

[Pat McAfee]

He's all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers.

[Ty Schmidt]

AJ knows there's not a whole lot of numbers retired for the Packers.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, and curies isn't even retired anymore. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I don't know what you got to do. I don't know if you're going to be able to do more than Curly did for the Green Bay Packers. Tone, anything we didn't hit today that we need to to chitchat about on our way out?

[AP Tone]

No, I think we're all good.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Why don't you come out here? Why don't you come out here? Ladies and gentlemen, we are incredibly lucky to be able to do this. We have a conversation with Cam Bynum. We're about to run that we had yesterday. He is awesome. He is incredible. And we're incredibly lucky that he's in our city and that the Indianapolis Colts are good again. Hell yeah. Feels like that is real. Hey, Q. We appreciate you. Appreciate you guys, great work this week.

[Darius J. Butler]

Appreciate you. You too, brother.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, boys, be a friend. Tell a friend something nice and might change your Life. We're in this thing together. See you all tomorrow. Team on me. Team on. On three. One, two, three. Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man that has brought so much positive energy seemingly everywhere he has gone. Whether that's KAO out there in Berkeley, which don't love what happened to song politely this past Saturday, but I do love what they're doing out there. Then to the Minnesota Vikings, where he and his crew on defense had the most legendary celebrations the NFL has ever seen. And they weren't distasteful or disrespectful. They were just well thought out and well executed. And there was a juice to that team that seemed very special. So much so that Chris Ballard said, hey, we need some of that. And thank God we did. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who leads the NFL in interceptions. I think he's top five in past breakups, and he has the greatest celebrations in the history of sports. Ladies and gentlemen, from the Indianapolis Colts, Cam Bader.

[Boston Connor]

Appreciate y' all having me.

[Cam Bynum]

Glad to be here. Appreciate y' all having me in Indy, first of all. Yeah, it's been. It's been a fun few weeks. First three games, three zero here in Indy.

[Pat McAfee]

You have no idea how fun these first are.

[Cam Bynum]

Nah, I bet I've been having especially for us to start the season hot like we did. I'm like, this is the best possible scenario, coming to a different city, and I could tell the energy is just rising here.

[Pat McAfee]

I appreciate the fact that there was an obvious omission of things to our roster in this off season. It was all kind of taken care of. We needed juice for sure. Okay.

[Cam Bynum]

100%.

[Pat McAfee]

Bring in the Juice guy. Juice is awesome. We're talking every single time.

[Cam Bynum]

My shoulders are so I'm hitting from.

[Pat McAfee]

Turning up the crowd. Yeah, we got Boulder shoulders at all times, let alone everything else that I assume is infectious throughout the rest of the locker room. Quarterback, obviously, we need somebody that's able to be consistent and also operate the offense and also has played ball before and seen it, because this is a veteran team. Does it feel like that in a lot of.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, it feels like there's a bunch of, you know, guys that have played a lot of football, but also still young. As far as not a bunch of guys taking vet days, not a bunch of, you know, old guys that are, like, almost borderline out of their game. It's like kind of like veteran prime right now for a lot of our guys. And just being surrounded by so many vets is cool. Cause I'm. I Feel like a vet, but I'm only in Year five. I'm around guys like Kenny Moore, Buckner Grove, all these guys that are year 8, 9, 10. And it's just cool being around that because it's pushing me to a different level of play. And I'm over here trying to be the best player on defense, surrounded by these guys, and everybody's trying to be the best player in their respective roles. So it's just making a collective energy of we're all trying to be the best and win.

[Pat McAfee]

Bringing in Lou Anarumo as the DC was a huge deal this offseason. We're all very excited. We know Paisan pretty well, and we've had a chance to catch up with him whenever he was with Cincinnati. Obviously, with the way it ended there, it felt like, what is Lou Anarumo going to do next? Our team has always had a lot of talent, so we actually go to the games. So a lot of people don't. We go to all the Colts games, home games. We're there. I'm there where you see it. And. Well, not all of them. I guess last game didn't go last year.

[Boston Connor]

Well. Yeah, but all of them had to prove a point.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, you've been to every game. I've been there.

[Cam Bynum]

So I'm like, that's all I know, Cam.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm the number one bottom fan. What you have brought to the team is what I think the team needed when it comes to leaders. Everything else, we'll get into it, but Lou Annarumo coming to the. To the defense and then the signings that we made. What have you felt with the team? Because we've always had talent, and that's the thing that was kind of missing with the rest of national media. Because we saw the team and because we're here, we knew there was a lot of talent. A lot of money on that team, too.

[Darius J. Butler]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of guys have been through their first contract into their second contract on the Colts for one reason or another. We just haven't had massive success. When you get here, what's Lou Anarumo like? And then did you. Were you surprised by how much talent was on the roster? Especially because the Colts very rarely get talked about in that particular fashion?

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, I was surprised with the amount of talent that we had just because it's one of those teams that I didn't pay much attention to. I played the Colts, what, twice in my career when I was with Minnesota, and I want to talk about those games because I'm on. I'M on the good side of it now here in Indy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, you are. What happened? It was historic.

[Cam Bynum]

We'll let Twitter come and bring that back up, because I know they will, but.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, 33, nothing.

[Pat McAfee]

38.

[Boston Connor]

You were calling a game and you.

[Pat McAfee]

Vegas. Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Game was over.

[Pat McAfee]

We beat the. Out of the bike.

[Boston Connor]

That's what it was.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeff, Saturday is the greatest coach of all time. Oh, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Orange slices.

[Pat McAfee]

That happen first half. Yeah, but. But. Yeah, that's. First half. Yeah, it was the first. What did you guys say?

[Cam Bynum]

I still throw my shots. I'm still a competitor.

[Pat McAfee]

So what did you guys say at halftime there, though? Just. Just.

[Cam Bynum]

So Pat Pete.

[Pat McAfee]

So.

[Cam Bynum]

So when you talk about Juice, like, me being the Juice guy here. Pat Pete was our Juice guy that year. So he was in the locker room. We're down 33, 0. He said, all we need is five stops, guys. And everybody's like, low key. He said, all we need is five stops. So we. One at a time, offense scored. We're like, all right, that's one stop. So he's counting them down on the sideline, and what do you know? It's tied up and we're like, oh, wow, this might actually work out.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it might. Yeah, it might. Now that you're on the other side, it. Obviously, we're lucky to have you over here. And Papy, relax, okay? We need you to relax. Great leader, one of the best football players of all time in that whole thing. But whenever you talk about you're an nfc, obviously we're an AFC team, and we're an AFC team that hasn't made the playoffs in a while. So I understand whenever you say, don't really get a chance to pay attention to him enough, but when you get in the locker room, what do you realize about the locker room? And then also Lou Anarumo.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, I think just what we realize in the locker room is that we're a solid. I think it didn't come by surprise with anybody. The belief, I think. And that's another thing that Lou brought, and especially from. From management, bringing these guys in, bringing me in, bringing Mooney Ward and just putting this team together that they assembled this year, I feel like they believe that we can do something. And that started in the off season. Just by seeing them making the moves in free agency that I heard wasn't normal for them to make at all in the past, having. Having signings, big signings like they did with me, with Mooney on defense, specifically. So having to really go through that, knowing that the coaches and the staff is on board with making a change. Then you get a defensive coach like Lou that's aggressive. He's holding everybody accountable. He's, you know, he's yelling at all of us as a vet, guys that got paid. He's holding us accountable. Rookies, he's still going to yell at a rookie equally as much as he'll yell at Buck, at Grove, all the guys that have been here forever. So I think that's really the, the standard that we have that no matter who you are, you're going to be held accountable, but it's going to be all for the betterment of the team. So I think that it really created an energy of, okay, our expectation is to win. And that's really. It started in offseason by picking us up and really making moves in free agency.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I love hearing everything about that. That sounds like a winning football team. There's a lot of coming out of Indianapolis the last few years that did not sell sound like a winning football team. I'm happy they addressed it in the big three their first season. D But I love it. Casey Kalin, Carly is the ownership. We got some major players all of a sudden. Go ahead.

[Darius J. Butler]

DBut absolutely. You talk about a winning football team, you need a quarterback. And Dan Jones came in. AR was a quarterback battle, something you never really want to be a part of when you on the team. But Dan Jones, you know, won the job and we see why. You know, coming from, from week one all the way to week three, he's been on fire. The offense has been on fire. What did you see from him throughout the off season and then throughout training camp and then obviously through these four weeks, not only on the field, but off the field, kind of in the locker room.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah. So what I've seen from him, well, we got, we got history. He knocked us out the playoffs in 2022.

[Pat McAfee]

Where was that at?

[Cam Bynum]

With the Giants. So then he knocked me out the playoffs. Then, then, then last last season, he was on with the Vikings on the PE squad for the second half the of. So I just saw the way that he was working even when he was on practice squad, he was taking those scout team reps, going against our starting defense and he was, he was trying to dice us up and he was going, going out there, treating it as if it's a game really like having intentful practices, knowing that, okay, I'm, I'm using this time to get better because next season when I get my shot, he's going to take it and run with it. So when he got to Indy, it was really the same mindset. He was locked in extra work. Just seeing him long hours there, just always put the work in. So now when we went through training camp, it wasn't a surprise that he was playing well and just being consistent and just playing good football. Ended up winning the spot. And for me, I never had a doubt in my mind that he would, you know, turn things around. He caught so much, you know, negative negativity from the world and the football world on the media. But it's like, you see that you get in a place where they believe in you and they have a collection. Belief it. Support a quarterback. You see what he's doing now. Right now he's looking like the best in the league. And he's leading us the 30 offense, putting up 42 points the last game, 29 points a week before, 33 week one. So it's like, even if we're having bad games on defense, our offense would still carry us to a win. So it's like, at the end of the day, he's getting the job done and doing it well and protecting the ball first and foremost.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You're not having bad days on defense, which is great. You're talking about protecting the ball. Conti, who you obviously know now, this guy's a legend, you know. Need to know that. Matt Conti's legend. He's a Penn Stater, too. Huge weekend up there. Oh, yeah. Happy Valley. The Colts have committed zero turnovers this season, making the first time in franchise history the team hasn't turned the ball over through the first three weeks of the season. For the defense, obviously put the fire out or quick change or anything like that. Is always talked about them not turning the ball over. Can you talk about all three phases coming together, including the punter who punted.

[Cam Bynum]

One time in a. In three games.

[Pat McAfee]

That's wild. It was a good punt.

[Darius J. Butler]

Do you know.

[Cam Bynum]

Do you know how bad I wanted us to go for it on fourth down? Regardless of anything?

[Pat McAfee]

I just want.

[Cam Bynum]

I just wanted to keep his streak going of not playing. So I was like, can we just go for it? I don't care if it's 4th and 20, just go for it.

[Pat McAfee]

So my only question is this complimentary football hits immediately with a lot of new pieces. Everybody's flying around. Brand new defense coordinator, defense play spectacular. Brand new quarterback, offense playing spectacular, special teams, kickers making kick shots. Spencer Schrader can't be using leverage on guys.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, of course.

[Boston Connor]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

You can't do that that is illegal, but that happening this quickly into the like, brand new era of this team. I guess the question is, is there still like, long season? What is the thought to kind of carry that and to continue to build? I assume you all think that you're nowhere near where you can be because how fresh everything is, for sure. Is that how I should be viewing it as well, as a Colts fan?

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, I think we haven't played our best ball yet, especially, I'm speaking for me as a defensive player. There's a lot of stuff that we left on the field even with these games. We've had turnovers, pick six, you know, strip sacks, everything we've had. But we feel like we haven't played our best ball even on offense, getting down to the red zone and just kicking field goals, special teams giving up, you know, an extra 10 yards on a return. So little small things that we're still like guys we got to get better on, but we like where we're at. And I think we set the foundation of what the year is going to be like. First game interception, first series, last game, pick six, first series offense, scoring the amount of points that they're scoring every single half. I think the foundation, the expectation is set. So the rest of the season, it's like if we, if we're anything less than what we've been, it'll be a letdown for us. So I think that's, that's the best way to start.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, big time.

[Pat McAfee]

We're expecting pick 16, I'm expecting 17.

[Cam Bynum]

And like, that's the energy. We went to the, the luncheon, the team luncheon before season before, right after training camp. And we're up there talking. You know, the leaders are giving their little speeches and I'm up there talking. People probably looked at me crazy, but I said, I'm expecting a Super bowl out of us. And it probably sounds crazy from a new guy like me coming to, you know, talk to the whole, all the donors and all the people sponsoring the, the team and the whole team, the whole staff, ownership. And I went on stage and was like, I expect the Super Bowl. That's the expectation to win every game. If we fall short anywhere.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, well.

[Cam Bynum]

But my expectation is a Super Bowl.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell, yeah.

[Cam Bynum]

That's how we work.

[Pat McAfee]

I think every team thinks that, right? Every team's supposed to think that. But I think also whenever you see what you guys were building at the time at training camp, not a lot of talk about training camp other than Anthony Richardson and Danny Dimes, right? The Rest of the team wasn't even chatting about. Had no idea that Quinton Nelson Wilson became a vocal leader.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, like, no, he's different.

[Pat McAfee]

He is.

[Cam Bynum]

He's different.

[Boston Connor]

He's jumping around celebrating, getting.

[Cam Bynum]

No, he's.

[Pat McAfee]

He's.

[Cam Bynum]

If a running back scores, he sprints to the end zone to go celebrate with them. He's over here high fiving the defense. Good way to run to the ball. I'm like, you're on the other side. You should not be happy about that. Like. But it's just a leadership thing that he's. He's becoming.

[Pat McAfee]

He's picked it up your first year.

[Cam Bynum]

I didn't know that. I'm thinking this is him.

[Pat McAfee]

Ryan Kelly was a center leader in Minnesota.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Two of our linemen from the Fries.

[Pat McAfee]

Shout out to them. Yeah, shout out to them. Certainly shout out to them for what they did for the Colts. But Ryan Kelly had been here a long time and he's the center, so the center, normally the natural leader of the. And also been there a long time. So I think maybe Quentin wasn't like empowered to be like a vocal leader, but I think he saw the way everything was going and. And I love what I'm seeing from the mic'd up shit out of him. I don't know what the rest of the building looks like. How many of those guys are there on the team? A lot of people that understand the sense of urgency. You think that?

[Cam Bynum]

I think there's a lot. Especially, like we said, there's a lot. There's so many vets on the team, so everybody's comfortable talking, but nobody talks too much to where it's like, okay, you're doing too much, you're trying too hard to be a leader. Everybody has their natural leadership role. For me, it's the lead by example, lead with energy. For Zaire Franklin, it's the I'm turnt up, I'm a run through your face type of leadership. Kenny, you know what you're going to get. He has his finesse and his swag and he's still going to be like a leader. So, like, just those three pieces on defense with Mooney just being locked in, knowing he's going to lock up, lock things up on the outside. Everybody has their certain type of leadership. Then on offense, obviously quarterback Danny Dimes, he's a little more quiet, but, you know, he's still making sure everything is operated. But Q, he's. He's a vocal leader. He's running to everything. He's talking.

[Pat McAfee]

That's awesome.

[Cam Bynum]

Like just everything. So you get a little bit of everything from everybody to the point where everybody is like locked in on their certain role where nobody's overstepping their boundaries of okay, this guy needs to calm down. He's trying too hard. So it's a natural leadership in this locker room.

[Pat McAfee]

Anybody missing team meetings or treatments or anything like that?

[Cam Bynum]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

There you go. Never. That's huge.

[Cam Bynum]

That's an expectation to just around the league. Like, you don't. You don't do that.

[Pat McAfee]

You're not late.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, you would get find one. The money's one thing, but the embarrassment if you miss it and coach puts you on the spot. It's like nobody wants to be that guy that's late and has to talk in front of the team and give your excuse.

[Pat McAfee]

This off season, the transition into like elite kind of operating and elite leadership is wonderful. I don't know how the hell it happened. It might have just been you coming.

[Cam Bynum]

I hope I had a part of it.

[Pat McAfee]

You did, brother.

[Cam Bynum]

I hope so.

[Pat McAfee]

That's why you any of those Cadillac Escalades you're going to be trying to triple down on. He's got this thing is a spaceship. Gorgeous. It might. I don't know if it's bulletproof. Look like it.

[Cam Bynum]

It looks like it. Don't try it. Don't test it though.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, please don't. Please don't. Connor has a question for you.

[Boston Connor]

So with the off season, you know, bringing in players, it was also kind of like a. Hey, Shane, St. Can better figure this out when it comes to, you know, hey, coach, kind of like a hot seat. Prove it year if you will. We kind of called him shite Steichen.

[Pat McAfee]

We did not.

[Boston Connor]

I called him we.

[Pat McAfee]

We.

[Ty Schmidt]

I may have said it once.

[Boston Connor]

We called them shite Steichen for a little. It's much different now. I mean, I think we could even say maybe like a sweet Stichen, maybe a shine Stike in now because of how well he is. But as a defensive guy, you've now played for two, you know, offensive guru coaches with KFC and Stichen. What are kind of the similarities between the two? Because for us, we always thought Steichen was the guy but, you know, this is the first year you've really kind of seen it where the offense is perfect, no turnovers, you know, guys are running wide open. What are the similarities between the two, you know, on game day and then also just in the building because he is kind of that leader, that guy on offense, but as a defensive guy I'm not sure if you guys interact as much.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, I think as a heck of coach, I think one thing Steichen does well is actually operating with the whole team. He'll sit in on defensive meetings, he'll sit in on special teams and obviously be with the offense because he's in charge of offense. But that's one thing that he does well is knowing all the players to where everybody can vouch for him and be like, okay, I've, I've had a conversation with him. Coach knows who I am. He, you know, talks to everybody pretty much exactly the same. Then on top of that, on the football part, I think one thing, the big part of success is how a head coach operates with the quarterback. Just the confidence that they can give a quarterback and really putting them in position to succeed with the plays they called. You know, just certain things, little small things, how you start the game. Let's not go for a shot first play, let's get your rhythm. And that's basic around the league. But I see it in our offense, how consistent our offense. And it's been nothing flashy, everything's been just consistent. And you see coaches putting everybody, every single player on that offense, especially the quarterback, in position to succeed. So. And I think that's really what I've seen from coming from Minnesota, what he's been, what Ko's been able to do with the quarterbacks there. Then coming here, seeing what Shane is doing, it's like, okay, that's the blueprint. When you really instill that belief in a quarterback that they can do something well and they can operate this offense where the quarterback knows, okay, I got this. It's easy from there.

[Pat McAfee]

Shane talk shit to you guys during practice or no, any interaction.

[Cam Bynum]

He's fiery, I'm not gonna lie, especially during joint practice to the other team. He'll bring the huddle in and like look at all of us in the eyes like, you know, he'll say some crazy stuff like, let's go, we gotta run through this team like he's a competitor. That's one thing I love about Shane. Like he's an ultra competitor and he, he's exciting. Like he gets turned up. I'm not going to lie.

[Pat McAfee]

I like to hear that he's one.

[Cam Bynum]

Of those guys, he said shoot in.

[Pat McAfee]

Dag dumb and stuff. And you never really know.

[Ty Schmidt]

Gracious to Pete.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, all that stuff. You never really know what's in the soul. But he was with Phil Rivers, remember?

[Ty Schmidt]

That's your point.

[Pat McAfee]

And we remember Phil Rivers being One of the greatest talkers in the history of sport without ever swearing how. What was that? 98 yards. Touchdown to that detail.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Helped him up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Boston Connor]

That was in gakway.

[Pat McAfee]

Who.

[Boston Connor]

Who played here for. For a little bit.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. So if Shane Steichen's got that in him. I didn't know we had that on Saturday.

[Cam Bynum]

Shane's a dog. I'm not gonna lie.

[Ty Schmidt]

There you go.

[Cam Bynum]

You have to come to the locker room one day.

[Pat McAfee]

I doubt change the dog.

[Cam Bynum]

They will not let you in there.

[Pat McAfee]

We got some trade pieces. Keep scoring touchdowns.

[Boston Connor]

More than two.

[Pat McAfee]

Ty has a question for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

You mentioned, you know, hey, the. The expectations 170 and winning a Super bowl and I know that this is your first year, so I don't know how much you got to meet Mr. Ursay or what your relationship was like with him before he passed away, but looking at it, it seems like almost, you know, like what's happened so far early here, like it. You guys are being lifted by like a higher power or like there's something else going on there. Like the vibes are great and I understand it's a week to week league, but like early right now, as you look at it, does it feel like, you know what, this actually does feel a little bit more special maybe than like some of my other seasons in the league because I don't know if you realize this, but like if you guys do do that, if you win a Super bowl, like there is a thousand percent going to be a movie made about this season.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Rest in peace.

[Cam Bynum]

Exactly.

[Ty Schmidt]

So maybe also start thinking about who you'd want to play you in that movie as well. But does it feel good?

[Cam Bynum]

I might have to be in it myself just filming an offseason, but you.

[Pat McAfee]

Can definitely make that happen. Good charisma, Good monster.

[Cam Bynum]

I would easily do that. But yeah, I think really just the whole whole, you know, I was never able to meet him, but I feel like I've known him because I've obviously met all the daughters, Karlie, and all the sisters and you see how they operate things and how well they treat people and really just the whole franchise of how it's really a family ran business. And it was a surprise to me when I got here, like how much I felt like I was at home and being like with the family. And that's something that struck me as soon as I got there. I was like, wow, it feels like I've been here for a while and really that started with the ownership and how involved they are in a good way, never overstepping their boundaries, never doing too much, but being involved, where you're like, okay, I can respect how much you actually care about this team. And you're not just, you know, a rich person that buys a team and just, all right, y' all figure it out. She's in there learning football, learning coverages, asking us questions. Not because she's trying to be, you know, overstepping, like I said, but. But really genuine, genuinely curious. Okay, how does this football stuff work? So when she's on the sidelines, she's locked in and really doing that, just like I said, just trying to learn, just out of love for the team and love for the game. And I see where it comes from. Her dad and all the stories that I hear, like, how much he really loved on every single person and how, you know, all the stories you hear about. He took care of every single person that needed something and more. So I think this year, we're for sure we're having that in the back of our mind, like, we want to honor their family by playing hard and just doing things the right way, just playing ball, just practicing hard, and everything will fall in this place. I know I'm say 17 0, but it's the NFL. Like, you never know what can happen. But we want to go out every single day and be okay with the work that we put in and take pride in every single thing that we put in. And knowing that, okay, they're putting us in position to have everything that we need with good ownership, with, you know, taking care of everything, so we can just go play ball at a high level. And that's really our only goal, is to honor them with the way we work.

[Pat McAfee]

Love to hear that. Love everything you're saying. And I think that's a good call about the family environment. A lot of those people not. And I thought it was a smart play by you not to try to name all three names, because if you get one wrong, you're in a basketball. Carly, Kaylin and Casey are the three daughters. I know the names.

[Cam Bynum]

I know.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, of course. Of course. Of course.

[Cam Bynum]

I didn't want to stutter.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah. Smart. And also, don't leave. Yeah.

[Boston Connor]

Don't leave someone out.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You're early in the stint here. You did the right play. Yeah. Big three. Big three. Big three up there. The big Three. But they've been around it their whole life, obviously, just like Jim has. But the people in that building, a lot of them that are in very powerful Positions, whether it's in business, marketing or treatment or equipment room, all that. Different place they've been. Been there since, like, 1987, whenever the team came here for a buck. That's crazy. Yeah. So you're talking about a lot of history, a lot of different eras of.

[Cam Bynum]

That says a lot. Like the fact that people want to stay there for that long in a place where, you know, there's been ups and downs in the franchise, but for them to stay steady and still love the city.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa.

[Boston Connor]

There's been a lot of downs as of late. I'm just going to say it. I've been asking for my.

[Cam Bynum]

He's the hater of the group.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he's a Patriots fan.

[Boston Connor]

I'm a Patriots fan, but also, I mean, I live in the city. Okay. Kim, I'm damn near paying for the.

[Pat McAfee]

Place you're working at. Okay. So, I mean, just paying his taxes.

[Boston Connor]

It's not like I. I'm just some guy like, oh, I don't like the Colts.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm.

[Boston Connor]

I'm donating to the damn team.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah. If I don't have to.

[Pat McAfee]

You got me.

[Cam Bynum]

Eat every day.

[Boston Connor]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

But also at every game.

[Boston Connor]

Also at every game. And to that point, like, it's been. This has been the best environment the hot house has had in. I mean, shoot five since I've been here for. Since 2018, whatever. Do you feel that. Is it similar to Minnesota? Because Minnesota. Also.

[AQ Shipley]

Great.

[Pat McAfee]

We.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah, we love the Skull. We think that's one of the coolest things.

[Pat McAfee]

1.

[Cam Bynum]

First of all, all the Colts fans, we have to come up with a chant to do in the stadium. I'm going to put that on you, Pat. You got to come up with something.

[Pat McAfee]

Whether you get on the mic.

[Cam Bynum]

We need something to turn up the whole stadium. But I feel like, especially that Denver game, you know, first game, the fans are feeling us out. Okay, what's the season going to be like? Okay. Successful game, but the second game, home game in a row, that's the first time I felt like, okay, this is different here in Indianapolis. And it's not. Obviously, I knew there was good things about Lucas Oil, but obviously I played in Minnesota, so I knew that that's one of the best environments, but that it paralleled Minnesota playing that game, that Denver game, especially how the game ended. It was one of those times where I'm like, all right, I actually have to speak up on defense, and I could barely hear myself talk to my teammates.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's keep that going. Yes, let's keep that going.

[Cam Bynum]

As fans, we have to keep showing up up players.

[Pat McAfee]

We got to keep making plays.

[Cam Bynum]

We got to keep winning because I know winning everything.

[Pat McAfee]

Got to keep going to team. Yes. We gotta.

[Cam Bynum]

Don't be late.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's do the process. Let's do it all. But I think what we saw week one, when you guys came out as a team, thought that was sick.

[Boston Connor]

So cool.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that. Thought you were maybe gonna do that all year. Thought maybe that was gonna be the thing. But that was for the boss. I respect it. So then you guys do the introduction for the second game. I'm like, I hope we're not breaking the tradition. And then you got has crushed. And it was like.

[Cam Bynum]

Like, at this point, it doesn't matter what we do.

[Darius J. Butler]

We can come out and play.

[Pat McAfee]

Colts fans are waiting for this. Like, the loud house and Luco Stadium are waiting for this. Because you got to remember the run with Peyton and the boys that I was very lucky to be a part of then. Andrew Luck, that run. It was like expectations were like Super. Super bowl of a sudden, and then we weren't making playoffs. We haven't won AFC south in, what, 11 years or something like that. I think it's 11 or 12 years haven't won AFC South. And people talk about divisions and it's like all those things just started piling up, I think, on Colts fans. So whenever we start hearing why this shit's happening from behind the scenes, and I don't want to say I speak for everybody because there's certainly a lot of people on the Internet who disagreed with me at the time. They don't know ball, but now it is like everything we had hoped for. Right. And you're a massive piece of that is kind of coming to fruition. And just know this city, this state, and everybody will be around you and rally around you and we'll enjoy the hell out of the run alongside of you. So if you want to go ahead, do more dances with Blue, fucking do it.

[Cam Bynum]

Yeah, I will.

[Pat McAfee]

You want to.

[Cam Bynum]

It's gonna get more. It's gonna get more extravagant, however you say that.

[Pat McAfee]

Extravagant, extravagant.

[Darius J. Butler]

Put K in there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, certainly. I was told potentially from source that that was not a planned out celebration.

[Cam Bynum]

I had that in the back of my mind, do a celebration with blue, but we were supposed to do a group celebration there with Z, Z and Kenny, but I saw blue there. So I'm like, all right, the energy is up. Blue's right here. I'm doing the hip thrust.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Cam Bynum]

And I got away with the fine because I Don't know how I did not get fined.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, that's cause Blue's throwing his shit. Blue's doing that? Yeah.

[Cam Bynum]

Blue's thrusting way harder than I was. He got it. Find a mascot.

[Pat McAfee]

Not me. Well, Blue's certainly throwing that thing. And he will force. Hey, Blue's one of the best mascots in all of sports.

[Cam Bynum]

Best ever.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he is. Is. And he. He's hot on the football throw from the second level.

[Boston Connor]

Yeah.

[Cam Bynum]

I don't know how he's made it. Every single time I've seen him do it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Cam Bynum]

I'm like, that's actually crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, there's a game to it here, because sometimes he'll make it too quick. And people, like, everybody take a look at the window. Blue is throwing from the sky, you know, and everybody as people are trying to figure out what's happening, and he makes it on, like, the second throw. It's already over. Everybody's like, nobody even knows what happened. So then.

[Darius J. Butler]

Then.

[Pat McAfee]

So there's a fine line there where he's got a lethal shooter at a little bit he's got to miss and understand it. But then he's also. Yeah, so there's a little bit of that happening. But he's an incredible athlete. This one where you start bouncing around. I was hoping for the kip up at the end like old buddy did in the original.

[Cam Bynum]

See, my foot slipped because I wanted to be dramatic and go for, like, 20 more yards.

[Pat McAfee]

Just all the way up the whole.

[Cam Bynum]

Sideline in front of the dog, but my foot slipped on the turf. I was like, all right, I gotta cut it. Let me high five everybody. Start getting my shoulder raises in.

[Pat McAfee]

How many in the back of your mind at all times. Celebrations.

[Cam Bynum]

I got three a week. In case. I mean, I need a solo because I. In case a teammate that I plan a group celebration with doesn't make it to the end zone, I gotta hit my solo. Then I have gotta have, like, a specific one with, like, me and Kenny, or in Minnesota, it was me and Mattelis. Then I need a full team one. So every week, I'm going in there with three on my mind.

[Pat McAfee]

Chuck Pagano says, have a plan.

[Cam Bynum]

Have a plan. Because we expect to take the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Bingo.

[Cam Bynum]

First and foremost, we're not dancing for no reason.

[Pat McAfee]

We're gonna run a fake field goal. We're supposed to where I was gonna score a touchdown. And Chuck's big piece of advice was, have a plan. When you get in that end zone, don't look like an ash. All right, all right.

[Cam Bynum]

Look like you've been there.

[Pat McAfee]

I was like, dang, it's actually a good call. I should think ahead a little bit. So I had a magic trick I was going to do anyways. I get. Yeah, it was going to be a whole thing. 15 yards. Venator was going to have to kick a 45 yard extra point, maybe 50 yard.

[Cam Bynum]

Oh, well, it's worth the moment. It certainly doesn't matter.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, you're worth every dollar that we've paid you to come here to Indianapolis already. We appreciate you so much. You're the man. Good luck the rest of the season and thank you for coming to our city.

[Cam Bynum]

Thank you guys for having me. Appreciate it. Shout out to Indy for making me feel like at home.

[Pat McAfee]

You have a YouTube. I saw a camera. Yeah.

[Cam Bynum]

Shout out to YouTube. Ambinum weekly vlogs of my game preparation and just at home life. So tap in, y'. All.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that. We will subscribe. Ring the bell.

[Ty Schmidt]

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