PMS 2.0 1423 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 5 Recap

Summary

The Pat McAfee Show PMS 2.0 1423 – FIRST 15: NFL Week 5 Recap

Date: October 6, 2025
Main Hosts & Guests: Pat McAfee, AJ Hawk, The Toxic Table, Tone Digs, Fitz, Whit, Connor, Adam Schefter

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Brief Overview

This episode of The Pat McAfee Show dives into the wild twists and top storylines coming out of NFL Week 5. Pat and his crew—a mix of former players, analysts, and insiders—bring their trademark energy, jocular banter, and critical analysis to everything from chaotic fourth quarters and shocking comebacks to dissecting “complete ass” teams, breakout performances, and the ever-evolving playoff picture. The show is a blend of fan passion, inside scoops, stat drops, and the group’s irreverent chemistry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comeback Chaos Sweeps the League

[00:00–04:00]

• The NFL is in “comeback chaos” mode, with a historic number of late-game swings: 16 games this season have featured a go-ahead score in the final minute (most since 1970), and 10 game-winning field goals as time expired.
  • “You never know what the fuck’s going to happen … It’s not just any given Sunday. Brian McCarthy, NFL PR said it’s any given fourth quarter now.” — Pat McAfee [00:00]
• Big comebacks were a theme on Sunday, including the Vikings' London rally and huge deficits erased elsewhere.
• Notable moment: Fitz vents about being a Cardinals fan, describing another infamous dropped ball at the one-yard line in what could have been a blowout win.
  • “We did the drop the ball at the one yard line. … Was it really a fumble? Was it not? I don’t know, but I sure am glad they called it.” — Fitz [01:31]
• The group jokes about league-wide awareness after repeated “drop at the goal line” mistakes, suggesting teams now actively instruct players not to ease up before crossing.

2. Jets and Bengals: “Complete Ass” Discussion

[04:04–13:48]

• Both teams called “complete ass football teams”—but with caveats.
• Bengals are “somewhat ass” (per Whit), pinning struggles on the absence of Joe Burrow and an offensive line unable to control the game in crunch time.
  • “Those three snaps are maybe the worst three snaps I’ve ever seen. … If we don’t have Joe Burrow … we got a lot of freaking issues.” — Whit [04:41]
• Cincinnati’s O-line woes trace back years; since 2011, not one Bengals-drafted OL has signed a second contract.
  • “If you can’t draft an offensive lineman and then you’ve let guys leave who continue to go elsewhere and win, you clearly have an evaluation problem of the priority of the position.” — Whit [06:45]
• The Jets' defensive struggles despite star talent are debated, especially Sauce Gardner’s “fall off” sans a top complement at corner.
  • “Somebody’s got to make a play, right? You’re the one that’s getting paid $120 million. It’s got to be you.” — Connor [09:39]
  • Fitz and Connor emphasize it’s a culture-rebuilding year, but the lack of turnovers is glaring.
• Rookie linemen like Will Campbell and Armin Menbu draw praise; hostilities over arm length debates and positional traits become a recurring joke.
  • “I need a trait. What’s my trait?” — Whit & Pat banter [11:41]
• Drilling into positional evaluations brings out sharp football insight from ex-linemen and analysts.
• The comparison segment humorously speculates on Josh Allen’s influence on rookie QB Drake May in New England.
  • “May’s father’s Josh Allen, and May’s father’s father’s Fitz.” — Pat & Connor [13:27]

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Baker Mayfield’s Team of Destiny?

[13:48–17:21]

• Tampa Bay wins another wild game on the last play—four comebacks in five weeks.
  • “Baker Mayfield’s mentality has seemingly oozed and radiated through the entire locker room.” — Pat [13:48]
• Baker’s poise and the new offense under first-time OC Joshua Grizzard are lauded, with injuries at skill positions not slowing them down.
• Fitz points out the underappreciated changes on Tampa’s O-line and staff, suggesting further improvement is possible.
• The question arises: Are the Bucs a team of destiny after Mayfield’s tumultuous journey across three franchises?
  • “He went and played on a scout team punt team in Carolina. They kicked him out of town. Look at how they are. … Maybe we deserve to give this guy a little bit of love. Is that what’s happening right now?” — Pat [16:48]
• Analysts debate the sustainability of winning one-score games, but concede Tampa’s hot streak is substantial.

4. The 1972 Dolphins and Miami’s Undefeated Club

[17:21–19:55]

• Pat congratulates the 1972 Dolphins for remaining the NFL’s only perfect team—after Panthers' Week 5 loss.
• Jokes about Mike McDaniel’s iconic sideline walk and the symbolism of the “little tag flapping on his sneaker” highlight the show’s playful side.
  • “That little tag flapping around was the last straw. … If Stephen Ross sees that, he’s gonna say get this guy the fuck out of here.” — Guest Analyst [18:29]
• The unique distractions of playing (and winning) in Miami are dissected, mostly tongue-in-cheek.
  • “There are a lot of distractions down there. And it is an issue, I think.” — Fitz [19:30]
• Everyone agrees: The 1972 feat is safe, as modern teams aren’t likely to run the gauntlet in South Beach.

5. The Colts Are for Real

[19:55–29:10]

• Pat’s homerism turns analytical—declaring the Colts “are going to win the Super Bowl.”
  • “That is the fun after watching this team live with these eyes, boys. Okay? These eyes right here. Watching this team live.” — Pat [20:06]
• The crew discusses QB Daniel Jones’ improbable success in Shane Steichen’s system, citing his fit, accuracy, and mastery of the offense.
  • “Danny Dimes has come in here, mastered the offense, understands everything, puts him in the right position, and he’s spinning it.” — Pat [21:55]
• Owner Carly Ursay’s growing football acumen gets a spotlight, including a cool pick prediction from the owner’s suite.
  • “We think with the way Geno throws and where it’s coming out from, we should be able to get a couple today, is what Carly says.” — Pat [23:41]
• Emphasis is laid on the Colts’ defensive upgrades under DC Lou Anarumo (noted for playoff success with the Bengals) and player-specific praise.
  • “When he puts [the right players] together … he’s been in that playoff run with the Bengals. He’s got that experience. So that’s the guy you want calling plays when it’s playoff time, baby.” — Whit [25:44]
• The only concern: injury to their kicker, Spence—possibly season-ending—which could be a key storyline going forward.

6. Rapid Fire: Dak Prescott’s Comeback, David Montgomery’s Story, & Kicker Storyline

[29:10–30:57]

• Dak Prescott earns praise for a big day despite multiple offensive line injuries and top receivers missing—he’s now in MVP conversation.
  • “He raised his level shout out to Shoddy calling the plays, putting them in good situation.” — Co-host 1 [29:18]
• David Montgomery’s emotional homecoming (TDs in front of his sister after her paralysis) is highlighted as a feel-good moment.
• The “year of the kicker” narrative: with more game-winning FGs and high-profile misses/injuries, special teams are a focal point.

7. Miscellaneous: Fun Banter & Guest Adam Schefter

[30:57–end (approx 32:30)]

• Running gags include arm length jokes, shampoo companies, and life on the bus during the crew’s road trip.
• NFL insider Adam Schefter joins to drop a wild Broncos stat: they pull off a comeback after being 1–112 historically when trailing by 14+ in the fourth quarter.
  • “They didn’t even hesitate. … That was pretty bold to Sean Payton, but that’s how confident he was that they would make it.” — Adam Schefter [33:08]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You never know what the fuck’s going to happen. … It’s not just any given Sunday. … It’s any given fourth quarter now.” — Pat McAfee [00:00]
• “I want you to think about that. 14 years since they’ve drafted an old lineman and he’s actually signed a second contract.” — Whit on Bengals O-line woes [06:32]
• “Somebody’s got to make a play, right? You’re the one that’s getting paid $120 million. It’s got to be you.” — Connor on Jets DBs [09:39]
• “May’s father’s Josh Allen, and May’s father’s father’s Fitz.” — Connor/Pat, on Drake May’s NFL lineage [13:27]
• “Baker Mayfield’s mentality has seemingly oozed and radiated through the entire locker room.” — Pat McAfee [13:48]
• “That little tag flapping around was the last straw. … If Stephen Ross sees that, he’s gonna say get this guy the fuck out of here.” — Guest Analyst [18:29]
• “Danny Dimes … mastered the offense, understands everything, puts him in the right position, and he’s spinning it.” — Pat [21:55]
• “When he puts [the right players] together … he’s been in that playoff run with the Bengals. He’s got that experience. So that’s the guy you want calling plays when it’s playoff time, baby.” — Whit [25:44]
• “They didn’t even hesitate. … That was pretty bold to Sean Payton, but that’s how confident he was that they would make it.” — Adam Schefter on Broncos’ two-point conversion [33:08]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–04:00 | Comeback Chaos, goal-line blunders, Vikings’ rally
• 04:04–13:48 | Jets & Bengals “complete ass” teams analysis, O-line problems, Sauce Gardner & defensive struggles, rookie linemen debate
• 13:48–17:21 | Buccaneers/Baker Mayfield comebacks, Grizzard’s OC impact, team of destiny debate
• 17:21–19:55 | 1972 Dolphins, Miami distractions, McDaniel sideline walk
• 19:55–29:10 | Colts Super Bowl hype, Daniel Jones' fit, Carly Ursay’s insights, Lou Anarumo’s defense, kicker injury worry
• 29:10–30:57 | Dak Prescott and David Montgomery stories, kicker injuries, offensive trends
• 30:57–32:30+ | Bus/travel humor, Adam Schefter Broncos comeback insight

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Tone & Style

The show’s language is irreverent, rowdy, and authentic—balancing deep football analysis with unfiltered humor and the energy of fans who still care as much as players. The personalities riff and roast while offering sharp inside perspective, making the episode accessible (and hilarious) for casual fans and insiders alike.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• NFL Week 5 was defined by wild comebacks and unpredictability, showing why it's “any given fourth quarter.”
• The Bengals and Jets both face roster construction and culture crises, in different ways.
• The Bucs, led by a reborn Baker, may have stumbled into a rare blend of grit and luck.
• The Colts’ on-field and front-office synergy is fueling real Super Bowl talk—and they're being noticed league-wide.
• Special teams and the “year of the kicker” remain major NFL themes.
• Legendary teams and streaks (like the ’72 Dolphins) hold special meaning—because accomplishing perfection in today’s NFL is only getting tougher.
• Humor and camaraderie remain at the heart of the show, threading the line between locker-room and broadcast booth.

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Transcript

[Host]

And I know you paid attention to what happened yesterday. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to hit the top five storylines coming out of week five Sunday that the conversation regarding yesterday's day games is going to be. You never know what the fuck's going to happen.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's not just any given Sunday. Brian McCarthy, NFL PR said it's any given fourth quarter now. This one is driven by Ram. Let's put the first 15 minutes on the clock, ladies and gentlemen. Let's get started. Number five, comeback chaos. We got some stats here from Hembo. There have been 16 games this season with a go ahead score in the final minute of regulation. The most through five weeks of a season since the 1970 merger. Fitz, Harvard guy, how many years has it been since 1970?

[Fitz]

55 years.

[Host]

Wow, that's a lot of balls. That's a lot of ball. There have been 10 game winning field goal with no time left in regulation. The most in the first five weeks since the 1970 merger. Hey, Fitz, Harvard guy, how many years is that?

[Fitz]

I didn't see the stats come on.

[Host]

Since 1970. Since 1975 we got come back chaos. And yesterday certainly contributed to that. Six of them happened across the board. 18 point deficit, 17 point deficit. 14 point deficit. 1110. And then obviously Minnesota kicked off the entire day over there in London town with a magical comeback. Any of these games, Fitz, in your eyes really steal the show. I saw a tweet that you put out and you said that the Cardinals just lost in the worst possible or something like that.

[Fitz]

I mean, I'm an Arizona guy, so I've been a Cardinals fan for a while. They're getting ready to go up 28 to 6 and D. Mercado. We did it again. We did the drop the ball at the one yard line.

[Whit]

We need to flip it.

[Fitz]

And it happened to Indy last week. So you think that every team is showing the Indy clip and saying, we don't do this. We run through the goal line, he flips it. Was it really a fumble? Was it not? I don't know, but I sure am glad they called it. I sure am glad they called it.

[Whit]

Football, guys.

[Host]

It feels like it was potentially a touchdown because he's flipping that thing and if it's in the fingertips, it doesn't matter. It's still in his possession. Is the tip of the ball breaking the line and why don't we have a camera down the line? Exactly. On that note to what Fitz said, I think everybody around football and in football said, who cares? Shouldn't even be that close. If you're going to drop the ball before getting in the end zone one week after A.D. mitchell did it, you don't deserve score a touchdown right there. Now he obviously took his lickings. Coach Gannon on the sideline certainly had his hat sideways at the end. He even hit him in the chest at one point like can't have it. And then the football gods blessed the Titans with their first win. Cam Ward's first win, Callahan's first win. I think we should be celebrating that D. Absolutely.

[Co-host 1]

Big time drive by Cam Ward at the end of the game to get it done through an absolute dot to Calvin Ridley. This play was unbelievable. Like this. This was ridiculous. Some shit you absolutely just how you draw it up on the NFL football field. But yeah, to see Cam Ward come down after last week coming out what he said he's pissed off. Pretty much dropped a quarter of the season already. And for him to throw this dot to his big time receiver and then put his team in a position to win the game. Big time moment for his team and for this young quarterback.

[Host]

Good for football yesterday comebacks. Hey, good for red zone channel. We're all still watching half my team.

[Co-host 1]

Three of my teams are on that list.

[Host]

Yeah, in a good way.

[Co-host 1]

No, oh no, no. Boom, boom, boom.

[Host]

Come on down out there. But I will say Scott Hanson did a great job on that thing always. And it was a good juggle because a lot of those games were absolute shite. Obviously you have 18 point comeback, 17 point comeback, 14 point comeback. That late in the game you think to yourself, this, this late of game's kind of shit here. Just like we said it was. Yeah, we thought this was a bad slate. Turns out it was blowouts across the board. And then all of a sudden we had magic there in the witch end, the goldeneye and witching hour out there. And it's beautiful. The NFL certainly needs that. Let's go to number four headline out of the week. Jetson Bengals Wolf complete ass football teams.

[Co-host 1]

Former jet for Bangle.

[Host]

So we'll go straight to the Amazon boys here. I'm watching the same shit you are. We'll start with you with the Bengals. I mean score says it's a little bit closer. Okay. Because Jamar Chase did his thing. He walked in backwards actually at one point yesterday scoring a touchdown. He's still his thing going into the season though. We thought to ourselves, is that the right way to build a team and win a Super bowl with the way they're spending the money? Then the star quarterback gets hurt with the way you're building that team, they've looked like ass. Are they complete ass or just somewhat ass? Whit, speaking for the Cincinnati Bengals team.

[Whit]

I'm going to go somewhat ass just because they don't have Joe Burrow.

[Connor]

That's fair.

[Whit]

But I will say this. You could go watch the. The last three plays of the game against the Cleveland Browns in four minute offense where they're trying to secure the game. Those three snaps are maybe the worst three snaps I've ever seen. A physical football from an offensive line of trying to win out a game. The entire offensive line is moving backwards. Those three snaps and the running backs getting hit as he's taking handoffs. That told me that if we don't have Joe Burrow and we got to rely on running the football, we got a lot of freaking issues. And I think that's what you see. Is this all on Jake Browning to do something. And I don't think Jake Browning is built for that.

[Host]

Ty Schmidt, Detroit Lions. Worst team possible to have to play against in the situation that the Bengals were in. Especially Gary O. Yeah. Jungle. We told him on Friday, hey, this is a bad one for you to be ruling the jungle. We thought kind of expected outcome here with the Lions thrashing the Bengals. Yeah, without a doubt.

[Guest Analyst]

I think you actually have to give the Lions credit because if they would have wanted to, they could have. They could have won 50, nothing, you know, 65. Nothing. Could have beat him by a hundred. It's. It's just tough. I mean, we talked about this last week. This, this should serve as the, you know, the final warning. Get the, get the Bengals off Thanksgiving. We can't do it. We can't do it.

[Co-host 1]

Remind them.

[Host]

Remind you guys. Yeah. Can't do it. Yeah. Is that you guys?

[Fitz]

No, no, not us.

[Host]

Okay. Run up the ladder. Get off.

[Guest Analyst]

Thank you.

[Connor]

If it was then we would pass this cross on to you to Bear O.

[Host]

Okay. Three games without Joe Burrow. The Bengals have now been outscored 104 to 16.

[Guest Analyst]

What do we do?

[Host]

They started having more though at the end of that game. I mean, there was a lot of piling on this particular Bengals team. And we'd like to like to let the who day nation know that like you guys are okay, man. You guys spent the money in the right spots. That's right. These are things you can recover from. What are you laughing. These guys. What are you talking about, dude?

[Whit]

You know, I would like to see him spend it in the offensive line room. That's where I think they should spend a little more money.

[Host]

Hey, they have tried that. We had a graphic last week about them drafting, spending money and it just.

[Whit]

For some reason they've been terrible at it. So that's the problem.

[Host]

So that is the thing. You get the wrong guys, wrong group.

[Whit]

What is it since 2011 that they've drafted an offensive lineman and he signed a second contract? I want you to think about that. 14 years since they've drafted an old lineman and he's actually signed a second contract.

[Host]

Is it scheme building, evaluation?

[Whit]

I think it's evaluation. If you look at it, I'm throwing myself in the mix. 2011, since they drafted a guy and he resigned a contract and they've let Kevin Zeitler and myself walk in free agency. So if you can't draft an offensive lineman and then you've let guys leave who continue to go elsewhere and win, you clearly have an evaluation problem of the priority of the position.

[Fitz]

You struck a nerve right there.

[Host]

I mean, I'm just saying, hey, journalism, good journalism, that's real.

[Whit]

That's good job.

[Host]

Thank. I'm excited to do that. And then let's go to the other team that people are saying, that's the whole caboose, brother. Yeah, the whole thing. Obviously, the Dallas Cowboys have a big time day and we're certainly happy for Dak. Without a lot of guys playing which D butts going to hit here in a few moments, I think having a huge win. But on the flip side, the tweet was floating around yesterday and the stat was floating around because obviously it's a big one. This jets team under Aaron Glenn has no turnover. So. So he's like defensive mastermind. We got no, we got no turnovers here. We got dogs all across the board on the defensive side. And then obviously offensively, I think it was very impressive with Justin Fields was able to do with that football off that guy's face. Yeah. And hit that sky. Can we watch that a lot this morning? We'll certainly buy into that a little bit. What a throw. But let's talk about the Detroit Lions with MCDC. What were you guys that first year? Foxy started out 0:10. 0:10 and they get a big time win. Okay. So like instituting that particular culture obviously took a little bit of time. I think there was even conversations about this guy's lost the locker room, this guy's not going to be able to do it. And then obviously they find their stride and they go with the New York jets, the market, everything like that. Is it going to be Possible for Aaron Glenn to have the patience or for people to hold on for them to develop the culture or what are you seeing from them?

[Fitz]

Yeah, it's a tough place to play. It's a tough place to not win in. They're the only team that hasn't won in the NFL this year. But I think there is some patience and some grace for him this year. They've seen this as a rebuild. I mean, if you go back to the first game they took the Steelers down to the wire, then we've got him doing this deal against the Bucks. I mean, how quickly we forget with under two minutes left, they were beating the Tampa Bay Buccaneers two weeks ago. So I think this team, they're going to challenge teams this year. Obviously they're not going to go to the playoffs, but this is a huge culture setting year for Aaron Glenn and he's got to get it going.

[Host]

So Connor actually big believer and I don't know if he's doing that to reverse, but you actually are a believer. Even after what we saw yesterday. Yeah.

[Connor]

For shoot a believer. Like, especially when you look at the players from the Lions that got much, much better in his defense. Like, I just don't understand why, like, what's going on with Sauce Gardner? Like, that's my question to D. But Sauce Gardner is rookie years, all pro, all world. Unbelievable. And it's just been like this weird kind of. I'm not going to say fall off because he's still a great player, but when was it D.J.

[Fitz]

Reader, D.J.

[Connor]

Reed, he went, he goes to Detroit in the off season. And now, you know, Sauce Gardner doesn't have a counterpart on the other side that can cover a guy, you know, with without question. And he's kind of getting abused in five straight games. The fact that they have no turnovers, like, dude, grab an interception. And I'm not saying it's easy. That's. That's me simplifying.

[Host]

That's why you're so.

[Connor]

As a fat idiot.

[Whit]

Yes.

[Connor]

But I'm saying, like, hey, dude, like, somebody's got to make a play, right? You're the one that's getting paid $120 million. It's got to be you.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah, for sure. You. And that's never really been his game since coming into the NFL. He's just kind of been one of those lockdown corners, a bunch of bat downs. That's one of the things you look at and starts like, hey, I want some more ball production. And. But through five games, I mean, you would think something would accidentally Happen a ball, line of scrimmage, a tip or overthrow something at this point. So it's just tough. Some of it's some self inflicted negatives as Chuck Pagano will call the sins. A lot of penalties, a lot of sloppy football. Justin Fields has kind of looked good, which is weird. Yeah, they got a lot of things to figure out. I just hope they do have some patience and give Aaron Glenn that time because we know we are not in the. In the environment where you're giving coaches, you know, a long leash at this point.

[Connor]

Well, the other thing too is like we talk about how many offensive linemen went in the first round this year. Will Campbell, as a Patriots fan, I'll say, you know, he's Baby Bingo.

[Co-host 1]

Bingo from Monroe, Louisiana, baby.

[Whit]

Monroe, Louisiana, 31 8.

[Host]

Is that where you're from as well?

[Whit]

We are.

[Host]

So you guys have small arms there. What is the thing?

[Whit]

No small arms here, but no, we have different problems. Different problems. But he's a hell of a football player and he's going to be. I called him the Taylor, Taylor Lawan of Rabel in Tennessee. That was his tone setter. That's who Will Campbell is going to be for this team.

[Host]

Why did they make such a big deal out of the arm length? Is that a thing?

[Whit]

I think it is a thing in the sense of you need. I always call it your fallback. When you think of playing db, you play offensive tackle. What is it that I'm going to have moments where I get out of control or I got to be able to survive a down? What is it that I fall back on? Is it my arm length? Is I have my feet? Do I have great feet? Do I have really great anchor? What are those things? So one of those for an offensive lineman you got to think about pushing guys around the edge. Is your ability to extend and get a guy around the depth of the quarterback. So length goes into that a bunch and so that really what that long arms comes from. And then you get long arm bull rushes, stuff like that. You need length. And so I think for Will, he has tremendous feet, a great anchor. He's a powerful kid. He can make up for not having the longer arm.

[Host]

Got it. So it's like a long snapper in my world. You either got to be like perfect snapper and blocker or you got to be a really good cover guy.

[Whit]

There you go.

[Host]

It's got to be one of these.

[Whit]

I need a trait. What's my trait?

[Host]

It's the Aussie. Absolutely. But his snaps, I think he would Even say, like, compared to other guys, he's an attacker. Bingo. He is a coverage guy. He's a weapon going down the field. For me, I'm trying to get hang time. I would like my snapper to be like a just jugs machine bread basket every time and you don't even need to cover. But on that note, that's literally how they're judged. You're saying offensive lineman. Same exact thing. Back to your point, though, there's a lot of people that were like, will's not the guy.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah, not the guy.

[Host]

Because of literally an inch. I think that's what people were saying.

[Connor]

But I think most people with a brain, like, knew that wasn't a real thing. And to your point, like, you know, I appreciate he's the Taylor Lawan of this variable team when it comes to comparisons. We don't really do, like, any Titans players in New England because they've sucked forever. He's more of like, the wit of okay, but he got real.

[Whit]

You ever seen fits in a Tennessee Titans jersey?

[Connor]

We'll talk about it later. But no, just to wrap up the. Just to wrap the jets real quick. Armin Menu. Like, it's not as if they drafted bad players. Like, Armin Menboo has been arguably the best rookie, you know, offensive lineman. So I don't know what the hell is going on. Their defense shouldn't be this shitty, though.

[Fitz]

The other tough part about the jets is they have to face Drake May twice a year.

[Connor]

That's a good point. That's a good point. I agree with you, Fitz. And if we want to really go through it, I wanted to thank you because I personally believe the only reason Drake May is this good is because he spent, you know, a month or two with Josh Allen over the summer and, like, you can say, like, variable and something. I definitely want to talk about Vrabel, but, like, I don't think it's that simple. As McDaniel comes in and her McDaniel comes in and does well. Like, I think it's kind of Josh Allen is the one who birthed this beast, if you will, in New England. And I think you're the one that kind of helped birth that beast.

[Host]

That's just what I think. He's the grandfather. Exactly.

[Connor]

Fodder's father.

[Host]

Yeah. Father's father.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Connor]

May's fodders. Josh Allen and May's father's father's.

[Whit]

Right.

[Host]

That's great news. Look what you're doing. He's a great player.

[Connor]

Great player.

[Host]

Hey, we'll get to Drake May certainly we have to. But we're saying jets and Bengals kind of complete ass.

[Connor]

Someone said that.

[Host]

That's what we're saying.

[Fitz]

I think jets less ass current ass than the Bengals.

[Guest Analyst]

Really?

[Whit]

Yes.

[Host]

I like everything that just happened right there. Let's go. Number three, A team that is not ass at all. The last play, boys. These guys won their last two games literally on the last play. They have four wins on the season, five weeks, all of them comebacks. This team is always in it. Baker Mayfield's mentality has seemingly oozed and radiated through the entire locker room. Now, granted, they've already had a good, you know, pillar of lavonta David getting a big time pick. Wow. Shout out to him because first week he dropped a pick that Vita Vella would have caught right behind him. Vita Vella has been burying him ever since then. We learned that on our show when coach Ba actually talked shit to Lavonte David as well for dropping a pick in week one. Instead, he makes a div play. Unbelievable catch here out of nowhere. How you doing? Keep it moving. And it's not just Baker, obviously. This defense gave up some points to Sam Darnold yesterday. This game was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. But was there any of us that didn't think Baker was going to end up. If this was a shootout, Baker Mayfield's going to be the one that's going to come away. And they certainly did. D. But I love this Buccaneers jib, if you will.

[Co-host 1]

For sure. It seemed like watching this game, it was. Whoever had the ball last was going to end up winning and you create that big turn. I was probably saying that's the only bad play Sam Darnold had. Both of these guys were just spinning. But Baker's game, probably the best game I've seen from a quarterback in a long time. Like he was. You just tell he was just locked in. Emeki Bucha dominant. It's continuing his dominant year. Jackson Smith and Jigba on the other side, both of those Ohio State boys showed off, but this game was phenomenal for me before it even started. Honestly, with these jerseys, this might be the all time best jersey matchup with both of these teams celebrating 50 years. But yeah, Baker's been dialed in, especially in the biggest moments when his teams are needing the most.

[Fitz]

Yeah, and I, you know, for me, luckily when I played in Tampa, we didn't do the all Whites like that.

[Host]

That have been tough.

[Fitz]

But Bucky Irving's out, right? Mike Evans is out. And I think the thing that's not being talked about enough. Joshua Grizzard's the oc, first time oc, first time play caller in the NFL. What Baker's doing with this offense right now and helping Josh also has been fantastic.

[Host]

It's crazy because that was a story like two weeks ago. Remember two weeks or three weeks ago, it was like, he's got no tack guys got nobody brand new OC and they're just winning now. We just gotten used to it. We're like, yeah, week five, this is what the Bucks do, dude. It's like it's still so early in the year. How much better can they get with. They can still get a lot better.

[Whit]

I mean, look at their starting center, Graham Barton's been playing tackle Tristan Wurfs just got back a week ago. I mean, you look at it, they've been doing this without their group and now they're starting to get healthier up front and Tristan Wurfs and that crew is dominant. So I think they're only going to get more physical and better up front and I think that means this team's going to be even better.

[Host]

Well, the football gods continue to bless them. You win in games like this, football gods on your side. Is this team a destiny field down there in Tampa Bay? Is this the Cleveland Browns kick this guy out of town. He went and played on a scout team punt team in Carolina. They kicked him out of town. Look at how they are. He goes cross country obviously with Los Angeles Rams, puts on a show, becomes the guy in Tampa Bay after Tom Brady. Maybe we deserve to give this guy a little bit of love. Is that what's happening right now? The booted out of the Browns building team of destiny, Baker Mayfield and the Buccaneers?

[Guest Analyst]

I mean, I think you could certainly make that case because everyone who wants to poke holes in the Bucks, they just said, well, this isn't sustainable. You can't do this over the course of season. Four out of five weeks is a pretty good sample size. And I feel like anytime after the year when we look at this kind of like a team always one year like they'll be eight and one in one score games and then the next year, you know. Waterfinds. Exactly. So like as of right now, it's hard to argue like that's just who they're going to be this year. They're gonna, they're gonna perform very well in one score games. And does that give them enough momentum to eventually, you know, go on a Super bowl run?

[Host]

We'll see. Number two storyline congratulations to 1972 dolphins. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Goats. Yeah. I'll tell you what, McDaniel.

[Whit]

Oh my gosh, that walk. How was that walk, Pat?

[Guest Analyst]

That was awesome.

[Connor]

Hold on, you gotta kick that left shoe more.

[Host]

Yeah, the left shoe. He got his little. His little off white. Yeah, that was my kids dummy flopping around as he's walking. So it's part of comeback chaos, obviously. So sad. Caroline pants is not supposed to win this. So sad. Hey, Xavier Lee, get maybe a guy. So. Wow. Wow. Look at this little tag on his left foot, man.

[Co-host 1]

Spumed out.

[Host]

Drag that thing home, man.

[Connor]

That sucks.

[Host]

He knows. We all know. Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah.

[Host]

But hey, Von Ron Rico dowdle goes for 200. Yeah. Hey.

[Guest Analyst]

It was a good run.

[Host]

Everything down there was fun. And I think that's what he's.

[Co-host 1]

What do you mean?

[Host]

You saw it. Glasses off, little thing kicking. He knew.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah, he knows.

[Host]

He knows.

[Guest Analyst]

That little tag flapping around was the last straw. If Stephen Ross sees that, he's gonna say get this guy the out of here. He's done right now.

[Host]

How about I sent that video to you guys and I just said the little tag. Yeah, yeah. Saddest part of the whole thing. Sad, bad, yes. Bopping around and I didn't notice it till halfway through. It's here too. Bob. Bob, you know, cuz the way he walks, there's a lot of pizzazz for that tag to kind of just bop, bop, bop, man. Like we said though, we all said it. In football, if you're winning and all.

[Connor]

That happens, it's cool and they love it.

[Host]

It's cool if you don't win it. Okay. Oh, let's talk about you down in the Miami Dolphins. That place. Whenever you were down there, there was a lot of allegations about what was going on down there. Do you think Miami Dolphins can win? Okay. 1972 dolphins obviously go undefeated. We are all adult humans who've been in locker rooms and in Miami and to the city of Miami.

[Whit]

Definitely been in Miami.

[Host]

Is there enough? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Do you think they can win in Miami? Do you think you can win in Miami?

[Fitz]

That's a lot going on. That's a lot going on in Miami. And I was. It was Covid. One of the years was Covid year when I was there. So it wasn't a lot going on. But there are a lot of distractions down there. And it is an issue, I think.

[Host]

So legit, like gumpy needs to celebrate these 1972 dolphins because I think it's. I think even as the world continues to grow, it's only getting. Because Miami's getting more and more popular to certain people. Yeah.

[Guest Analyst]

Larry Zonk ain't coming through that door. It just ain't happening.

[Fitz]

Dug O.

[Connor]

They need him.

[Host]

Exactly. Celebrate that. And then the number one story in our first 15 that has now ran about 20 minutes or so. Colts are going to win Super Bowl. Hell yeah.

[Co-host 1]

Come on now.

[Host]

Now this says the Colts are going to the super bowl. And I appreciate that, but that's a little humility from the graphic maker. The Colts are going to win Super Bowl. Okay. Okay. That. That is the. That is the fun after watching this team live with these eyes, boys. Okay? These eyes right here. Watching this team live. Last couple years we've had okay teams. Gardner Minshew almost took us to the playoffs, almost won the AFC south in our. In our stadium, literally right in front of us against Houston Texans, Week 16 or whatever it was a couple years ago. We always believe Shane Steichen. We always believed that there was a lot of talent on the team. We. There's one position we just couldn't figure out. You know, I'm surprised you didn't play for us, to be honest. I don't know how that happened, how that didn't happen with the run that we were on. Danny Dimes with us is awesome. Jonathan Taylor, I think he only rushed for like 66 yards yesterday. Three touchdowns. He's the best version of himself for sure in this offense. The offensive line, they're finally speaking the same language as quarterback. Remember, there are some stories. Fitz, I'd like to ask you about this as well. That's my dad that Pittman just tapped up in front of this week. Tim, obviously in there. Matt Ryan, whenever he got here, allegedly him and the offensive line just couldn't. They weren't seen saying the same. They're speaking different. That's. Yeah, that's the whole thing. It's hard. That's why we had Matt Ryan come in, because we thought he was like a super smart football guy. This is what we need because we got enough talent everywhere. We just need a quarterback. And if for some reason they couldn't speak the same language. Danny Dimes has come in here, mastered the offense, understands everything, puts him in the right position, and he's spinning it. I mean, it is when we need it. He's very rarely missing. I think I saw him miss one time yesterday. It was an overthrow. Out of bounds. Every other ball that comes out of his Hand is, like, catchable. Tyler Warren might be the best football player, period. Just go ahead and put that right there. He's gigantic. He's tough, and he's always open. But our defense is legit as well. I had a chance to chit chat with Colts owner, one of the big three, Carly Ursay.

[Co-host 1]

Nice.

[Host]

How's she doing about her time on the sideline?

[Co-host 1]

Okay. Journalism.

[Host]

She came in to see Chuck Corgi. It got into a big race, which we will certainly cover here in a matter of moments. My dog Chuck was in a Corgi race called Stumpy Stampede yesterday. But Carly Ursay came in to see Chuck. You know, she immediately goes, whoa, he's big. And I go, easy.

[Guest Analyst]

He's got a big race coming up.

[Host]

Yeah, we're just trying to get him to survive.

[Connor]

It's shocking, though. We should lay that out. It is shocking when you see a dog that fat with such small legs.

[Host]

He was triple the size of every other competitor in the Stumpy Stampede. But. But Carly, I said, okay, I have to ask you. Me and Carly don't really. I have not really talked to Carly much. I was on the way out while she was kind of in. We're not same age, Caitlin and I, same age. So we kind of knew same people. So I got a chance to chat with her. Carly, I've never really talked to her. I'm like, hey, what. What are we. What have we got out of this? Do you know the calls? Like, are you at the point where you know the calls? She's like, I kind of know what we're looking for. She's just charting, though. She's charting plays, basically. Charting plays, Charting plays, Charting plays just to see what's going on, trying to learn as much as possible. She said some of the coaches have been a little bit. Because they think that she's like. They think I'm going to hold it against them or, like, interject or something. Like, she's like, I'm just. Literally just charting plays there. And I was like, what? Tell me about the defense. She goes, lose defense versus the last defense. We had so many more words, options, choices. So many more things for our guys to do. It's like, there's a call and then there's like, two adjustments on top of it. She's like, that's the biggest takeaway for me is like, lose defense versus the other diva is like, there's a lot of options. And then you give these guys more options. They utilize them. She's like, been excited to kind of watch it kind of grow. And then she told me exact words were, we think with the way Geno throws and where it's coming out from, we should be able to get a couple today, is what Carly says.

[Adam Schefter]

Wow.

[Co-host 1]

She knows both.

[Fitz]

She's dialed.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Whit]

She knows it all.

[Host]

So I said that to the entire suite. I was like, karlie leaves. And I was like, yo, Klee just said, the way Geno's throwing it right now, we think that we got the guys that are going to be able to get some hands on some balls and then we got some picks because we didn't get any last week or whatever. She was like, so we need turnovers. We need turnovers. So that first one happens, it's deflection pick. I'm like, I look over at Carla's coldest thing. So it's like everybody is all in, literally from the top all the way down to. Everybody is all in for the Colts right now. And we've always had the players, we've always had the building, and now it feels like we finally got the quarterback fits. You're a journeyman, kind of your thing. We're seeing this resurgence of guys that kind of have to bounce around a little bit. Danny Dimes is doing it to an entire city right now for us. He's doing it for an entire city right now as we're kind of going, why does that happen? Is it the experiences, teacher stuff? Is it just getting to the right system? What are your thoughts on it?

[Fitz]

Yeah, fit and timing are so big in this. And I think even with Mac Jones right now in San Francisco, we had him the other night. It's the same thing. So this is very sustainable for Daniel Jones as well. Steichen's a great play caller. He showed it in Philly. That's why he got the head job here. And he has the weapons on the outside. The thing that I love about him, he's got Pierce, who didn't play yesterday. He's got Pittman, he's got Tyler Warren. All these big dudes, and you see every ball that comes out of his hand, it's drilling guys in the face mask, which is huge. The thing I want to go back to, though, have you ever been on a headset? It's nasty. I mean, these coaches, I've done it once and I said, I can't do that again. The shit that they're spewing about the players, I don't know what she's hearing, but I guess they've been winning. So it's all Been good. But it can get really negative on that headset.

[Whit]

Like the coach who would say all the time says, listen, guys, whatever you guys are saying down here about us, we're talking the same about you.

[Host]

Down.

[Whit]

It's coming up. It's coming down. Don't worry about it. But I think to your points about going Super Bowl. Who's the defensive coordinator? Lou. And a Rumo who beat the Chiefs to go to the Super Bowl? The Cincinnati Bengals is a defensive coordinator. Lou. An arm.

[Host]

So everything I was just saying there about Carly was saying you were nodding your head yes. Obviously, you had a lot of time. You know Lou pretty good.

[Whit]

I. Yeah, we've gotten to spend some time with him on Thursday nights before games, just being around him, his energy, his passion for the game. And I think just really, he. He's one of these guys that. That he kind of has chess piece guys that he's like, I need this player to be able to do these things for these specific calls that I want. You look at some of these simulated late pressures he brings. He has a guy type in mind that he needs. And when he puts that together, you look at the investment they did in the secondary. Now he knows, all right, these are the calls that I can call in these kind of situations when I want to play chess with people. And I think you look at it, he has. He's been in that playoff run with the Bengals. He's got that experience. So that's the guy you want calling plays when it's playoff time. Baby.

[Host]

Kenny Moore is coming back. I mean, we're not even at full speed on the defense. We got a real defense. Oh, yeah, we got like a real defense. Grover Stewart and Buckner down there can fight anybody. Layoutsu Lotsu gets another pick. Yeah, they got him dropping out. He's finally finding his. There was a guy, first time here. This guy got the quarterback. Cross is blitzing and getting to the quarterback seemingly every other play. Defense feels like it's potentially championship run and then the offense is matching it.

[Co-host 1]

Oh, yeah.

[Host]

It's a crazy time right now for the Colts.

[Co-host 1]

Complimentary football. Only thing I worry about is us losing our kicker. We lost Spence, we lost Spank. Is it for the year? Is he out for the year? Has been that been confirmed or no?

[Whit]

It didn't sound good.

[Host]

I don't want to.

[Co-host 1]

It didn't look good.

[Host]

I don't want to be the one.

[Co-host 1]

Okay, well, we'll say.

[Host]

I'll say it. No, I'll say. Because it's going to get out Anyways, I think it was. Multiple ligaments were torn.

[Co-host 1]

Oh, I think that's.

[Host]

Yeah. From my understanding. Just because I apologize. Left middle of fourth quarter.

[Guest Analyst]

Game is over.

[Host]

To be traffic.

[Guest Analyst]

You're good.

[Host]

Okay. On way out, I get asked if I'll go say what's up to him. Obviously in the middle of the moment. He's Indiana kid from Indiana. So like I think he maybe knew of me or my existence, went in there and talked to him. Spirits. Seems like he is obviously on the right track, but obviously he's going through a lot of shock there too. This kid has been great for us. He's already hit a game winner. He's got a massive leg. The one where he got hit, I mean, he is. Especially after the years past we've had a couple misses and some big moments. He local kid is done. He's 24, so we think he'll be.

[Co-host 1]

Bounced back for sure.

[Host]

But that's going to suck. And I told him, like, I didn't want to be the bearer of bad news. I'm like, yo, what you're about to go through is about to suck. Like you need to know that. But on the other side, you're going to be mentally tougher and even better and you're younger and you got a special talent. He's a really good. He's a good kicker. We've been lucky to have him here and he loves the Colts, so we like those people around the building and.

[Connor]

A ton of faith in the training staff. Like, Rigo just tore his Achilles, you know, and he. And he's back punting. Football is better than Dan or anyone when he does.

[Host]

Yeah, we do like the training staff.

[Connor]

Yeah, great. Like Frog, like, you know, it's good.

[Co-host 1]

So that'll be the only thing that I'd be worried about because this has kind of been the year of the kicker. Whether it's been hitting bombs or kicks getting blocked, it's been a storyline. So I think it'll continue to be a storyline. But the other things, the defensive pieces, I feel like with Lou, they'll only continue to get better and more dynamic. You see a lot of free hitters. Blackman stepped in. He got a big pick yesterday. So I love what Lou and then what Danny Dimes has been doing. This offense, like, it's one thing to kind of get early in the year. You can catch defenses off guard, maybe some gimmick shit, but they're doing like real. Like this is a high level, high operating offense. You don't know where 84 Warren's going to be. He could be a fullback. He, he could be split out wide. He could be in the corner formation. He's a weapon, kind of like Gronk. Always open regardless of a guy's on him or not. He's so big. Pittman, you talked about his big body, the mismatch that Josh Downs can give you in the slot. And then Jonathan Taylor playing at an MVP level right now. So we got all the pieces from top down right now. We can go on a real, real run. Especially with a division that, you know, looks like we should be in the driver's seat the whole way.

[Host]

AMC south is real jogger and all that. Don't you ever get twisted a bit?

[Co-host 1]

They got a big win yesterday.

[Host]

Two things we didn't hit there in the top five, you think? Two quick things.

[Co-host 1]

Two quick things. Let's go. Dak Dak had a big, big day. Went down a bunch of old linemen down. His top receiver, CD Lamb Turpin was actually out as well. But he had a huge kind of MVP caliber day. He's been another quarterback coming off a year where he was hurt. He's playing top, top notch football. You didn't know what to really expect coming into this game with all those pieces being down. But he raised his level shout out to Shoddy calling the plays, putting them in good situation and then a great, great kind of feel good story. David Montgomery, Monte going back home having a passing touchdown in a rushing touchdown in front of his sister Kiki who got in a terrible car accident. So she actually been paralyzed a little bit over a year ago. So this is the first game she got to watch him play live since that terrible accident. So awesome. We talked about obviously his game and this is the 14th game where he and Gibbs have scored a touchdown. The same game, which was the NFL where it. Which is insane.

[Host]

You remember whenever Foxy was saying they weren't calling them Sonic knuckles anymore, what was it? What were they calling them? They were calling them ass in cheeks and I didn't like it one bit. The Internet is a cool place. All right. That's messed up. I didn't like that at all. That sounds like a long time ago now though. That was a bad week one for the Detroit. As bad as it gets. I'll tell you what, we were in a much different place now than we were in week one there for the Detroit lines. I'll see you in the super bowl pack Colts line. I don't know if McD wants that right now. Okay. I don't know if you want that right now. He'll fight all your guys. Yeah, but once again, dude, a Carly. Exactly. We win. Yeah.

[Connor]

But unfortunately, then Bennett Sheila Fordham walks out.

[Guest Analyst]

Yes, you're right.

[Host]

She doesn't want that glass to break, brother. Because then Kaylin and Casey are going in. Yeah.

[Connor]

So three on one.

[Host]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might pick up where we left off if there was any crumbs to a story that maybe we didn't dabble upon. He will certainly keep us in line and also maybe tell us some shit that we refuse cover because of our ignorance. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL Insider for espn, a Michigan man, Adam Schefter. Whoa. Shirt and tie. Whoa, Professor. That looks good.

[Adam Schefter]

I was dressing up for Fitzy and Big Wit.

[Fitz]

Thanks, Chef.

[Whit]

Of course.

[Host]

Appreciate it. All right, Chef. Hey, Shefty. They're on a road trip across the country in the back of a very nice bus. I believe this morning was the first time Fitch chose to shower on it. If I'm reading the tv, you said.

[Fitz]

It was going to be nice in there, though. It was really nice. Hot water, good air or good water pressure.

[Host]

Yeah, see, it's not bad.

[Fitz]

Not bad.

[Host]

I love the bus life.

[Fitz]

He doesn't travel with shampoo and conditioner, so I didn't get the shampoo.

[Host]

Oh, we got some for you here. We'll certainly give it to you now. To be clear, we didn't buy it. People have sent us that in the past. We do not know if it's going to work or not, but we assume that it's okay. Probably some starter company. Yeah. Call it like, moped or something, Right? Some.

[Guest Analyst]

It'll work.

[Host]

Harvard. You get it? Some kid created this in his garage. Good to see you guys. Schefter, what did we miss in there? I know you were sitting around listening to a lot of what we were chatting about. The Colts going to the Super Bowl. The 1972 Dolphins undefeated streak continues. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers outrageous in what they're doing. Jets and Bengals not complete ass is what the jets and Bengals half ass. Half ass. Half ass is what they say. And then come back. Chaos yesterday. If you want to hit any of those or anything we left out, we'd love to hear.

[Adam Schefter]

Chef D. Well, I don't know how much hit on the Denver Broncos, a team that going into yesterday had a record of 1 and 112 going into the fourth quarter when they were down by 14 or more points. And yesterday pulled out the second win in 114 games when they were in that spot. Now, I covered John Elway for a lot of years. There weren't many more players that were clutch than John Elway. And even he didn't do that when they were down 14 on the road in the fourth quarter. And yet Sean Payton has now done this twice the last few years. He did it yesterday in Philadelphia, in. In the Eagles Stadium on the road against the defending champs. It's pretty impressive. And on that two point conversion at the end, they didn't even hesitate. They got right into that two point conversion. And there aren't a lot of head coaches across the league who would call for two points on this particular play right here. Down 17, 16 and go for the lead halfway through the fourth quarter. That was. That was pretty bold to Sean Payton, but that's how confident he was that they would make it. And the Broncos pulled through and. And they left after the game to go to London. They play the jets there on Sunday. So a big matchup for them.

[Host]

Yeah. The Broncos coming into the season were obviously a lot of people, super bowl darlings. They played an incredible Indianapolis Colts team, you know, and I think a lot of people maybe weren't giving the Colts a lot of credit at the time. So I think maybe the Broncos are maybe judged in a certain way that they might not be judged the same exact way today if it was to happen, but they get a huge win. And Obviously that's the 1972 dolphins get a chance to celebrate, especially after the Bills lose last night.