PMS 2.0 1424 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Recap, Jaguars Head Coach Liam Coen, TJ Oshie, Brewers Manager Pat Murphy, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0 — 1424

“BA Day” with Bruce Arians, MNF Recap, Jaguars Head Coach Liam Coen, TJ Oshie, Brewers Manager Pat Murphy, Darius Butler & A.J. Hawk

Date: October 7, 2025
Host: Pat McAfee | Regulars: AJ Hawk, Darius Butler, The Toxic Table (Boston Connor & Ty Schmidt), Tone Digs
Special Guests: Bruce Arians, Liam Coen, TJ Oshie, Pat Murphy

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Episode Overview

This extra-packed Tuesday episode of PMS 2.0 (dubbed “BA Day” for guest Bruce Arians) delivers a hyperactive blend of prime NFL Week 5 discussion, behind-the-scenes coaching insights, and rare interviews with winners across sports. Pat McAfee and crew break down the historic comebacks of the NFL weekend, Jacksonville’s electric Monday Night Football victory, two-way phenom Travis Hunter, and feature deep talks with Jags’ head coach Liam Coen, new ESPN NHL analyst TJ Oshie, and Brewers manager Pat Murphy. The guys also banter about the culture of coaching, kicker drama, and the unusual state of football, baseball, and hockey through their honest, free-wheeling style.

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Headline Themes

• NFL Week 5: Record-tying 6 Double-Digit Comebacks (esp. Jaguars vs. Chiefs MNF)
• Trevor Lawrence’s “Moment” and Leadership Discussion
• Travis Hunter’s Historic Two-Way Play — Usage, Management, and Ceiling
• Jaguars Culture & Defense — Coaching Perspectives with Liam Coen
• Hockey Season Launch & Inside Stories with TJ Oshie
• Baseball Playoff Surprises & Milwaukee Brewers’ Rise
• Big Picture Coaching (Discipline vs. Modern Expectations)
• Special Teams and New Rules’ Effect (Kickoffs, K-Balls)
• Kicking Carousel & Colts Talk

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Key Episode Segments & Insights

1. BA Day & Guests in the Thunderdome (00:00–00:49)

• Pat welcomes everyone to BA Day and dubs Bruce Arians their “coach on- and off-air.”
• NHL Season Drop highlighted, with Darius Butler repping Florida Panthers gear.
• Upcoming: TJ Oshie joins to talk hockey & ESPN.

2. NFL WEEK 5 HISTORIC COMEBACKS & MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL RECAP (02:19–08:38)

• Six double-digit comebacks — ties NFL record.
  • Pat: “If you have two of these in one weekend, I think you’re pretty excited if you’re the NFL... For six to happen...the weakest slate turns to the most exciting.”
• Jags 28, Chiefs 24:
  • Trevor Lawrence leads 14-point comeback, "final drive magic."
  • Pat, on Lawrence’s clutch TD: “This might be the biggest win of his career. Most primetime big win in my eyes.”
• Critique of Chiefs: “13 penalties, bad on special teams, red zone misfires.”
  • Bruce Arians (06:16): “Of all things, the 13 penalties…their redzone defense let them down. Ezra Cleveland needs a game ball.”

3. Trevor Lawrence, Narrative Shift, and Leadership (07:23–09:35)

• Pat: “He was the prince that was promised…to have his moment, make those throws, this was awesome to see.”
• Darius Butler: “There are moments he looks like the moment’s too big, but he stepped up and made the plays.”
• Trevor’s “birthday game” gets much love.

4. Travis Hunter: Two-way Unicorn! (09:35–16:15)

• Topic: How the Jags/Coen use Hunter on both sides of the ball; comparisons to Deion Sanders, Patrick Peterson doing both in the NFL.
• Darius (09:35): “You just let Travis Hunter do what the hell Travis Hunter wants as long as he can stay healthy. He’s a true unicorn.”
• Bruce Arians (11:08): “Biggest thing is learning both game plans every week. Keep it simple for him.”
• Hunter’s Mental & Physical Load:
  • Discussion of how hard it is for him to process both offensive & defensive playbooks; team is “majoring” him in offense.

5. JAGS HEAD COACH LIAM COEN Joins (13:26–34:58)

• On prepping the team:

  • Coen: "Each week it's just about getting better, regardless of the logo we're playing."

• “FAST” Playing Style Motto:

  • Physical, Attacking, Situational Masters, Tough.

• On Trevor Lawrence (16:15):

  • “He looked ticked off—a good thing. The resilience, the effort. He takes responsibility for his actions...big step in the right direction.”

• On Hunter Management (27:47):

  • “Each week, look to improve the schedule. We’re in a good place...can’t tell you his limit, but he’ll keep getting the ball. On defense, we try to keep it simple, package calls for him.”
  • Notes from Colorado: practiced mostly defense, packages on offense.

  “He’s starting to get both, but getting more offense than defense in the NFL. He’s a special talent, and we’re just scratching the surface.” — Liam Coen (28:57)

• On Defense/Scheme:

  • New DC Anthony Campanelli brings "fire, accountability, authenticity."
  • Huge jump in takeaways: “Last year, only nine takeaways. Already at 14.”

• Turning Points & Locker Room Chemistry:

  • Down 14-0 to Chiefs, defense rallies; “Trevor’s steady, fiery demeanor…just chipped away at it.”

6. Sideline Discipline Controversy: Cardinals' Gannon (35:17–41:55)

• Jonathan Gannon sideline incident:
  • Pat: “Not acceptable in the modern game—can’t put your hands on players; old vs. new coaching debate.”
  • Bruce Arians ("old school") (38:05): “I didn’t think much of it…league will contact Cardinals, handle internally. I hope it’s OK.”
  • Darius Butler ("player side") (38:40): “That is a line you cross...once you put your hand on someone, you can't control the reaction.”

7. NHL Season Launch & TJ Oshie Interview (46:53–57:06)

• TJ Oshie on joining ESPN:
  • “First time watching as a fan, never watched NHL growing up—just played…excited to bring perspective.”
• Hockey Locker Room Culture:
  • On personality in the game: “It’s a team-first culture, but personalities are coming through more. If you could see locker rooms, it’s wild.”
• On Stanley Cup Win/OVI Partying:
  • “There’s probably not a better guy to party with than Ovechkin. The Cup stand almost broke my arms.”
• On Panthers Chasing 3peat:
  • Darius Butler as Panthers superfan (54:01): “Just gotta get in…Barky being hurt tough, but if anyone can do it, it’s these guys.”
• Connor McDavid’s deal and loyalty:
  • “If I was his teammate, I’d run through a wall for him. Says he wants the Cup above all.”

8. Brewers’ Manager Pat Murphy (103:32–117:33)

• On Brewers Team Chemistry:
  • “No one expected us to be here…but it’s about the guys in the room. They care about each other.”
• On Jacob Mizarowski’s 105 mph heater:
  • “The mph gets the headlines…but players can time up anything if they know it’s coming. He needs to just keep throwing strikes, mature.”
• Culture & Leadership:
  • “Our role as managers is often overrated. You set standards, get the right guys, and let players lead.”
• Having fun as manager:
  • “You have to. We’re not that important. You set the standards, let the group be itself.”
• Football crossover:
  • “I’m a football guy at heart…coaching is about having a team that wins in multiple ways.”
• Legendary moment:
  • Offers up a (now illegal) “punt spiral” play concept to Pat and the crew.

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9. Late-Show Banter & BS or No BS with BA (69:48–91:49)

• Travis Hunter:
  • Arians: “No BS—Let him play both ways as long as he doesn’t overload mentally. The faster he plays, the better.”
• Joe Flacco QB drama:
  • Flacco traded within the AFC North; Ty bemoans the Packers facing him.
• Young QBs in the NFL:
  • BA: "Total bullshit" that there aren’t enough talented young QBs. “The league is in great hands.”
• Ravens trouble?:
  • BA: “No BS after 44 given up at home, but I still think they make the playoffs—injuries are the issue.”
• Colts are best team?:
  • BA: “No BS — plus-74 point differential. Big, strong, fast; just need to stay healthy.”

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10. Special Teams & Rule Talk (139:28–149:27)

• New NFL kickoff, touchbacks, and K-ball rules:
  • Kickers can now use “broken in” K-balls—huge for making longer field goals.
  • Pat: “It’s a 10-15 yard difference; game strategy at end of games revolves around kickoffs now.”
  • Decisions on who’s returning kicks; special teams more crucial than ever.
  • Arians: “You trust your guy—don’t change coaching for a fill-in kicker.”
• Colts kicker carousel:
  • Michael Badgley (“Money Badger”) joined the team; quick discussion on the challenge of being a “carousel kicker.”

11. College Football Minute with BA (152:50–158:28)

• Texas struggles, Arch Manning:
  • BA: “Every QB keeps working fundamentals—I think his off-platform throws are off this year.”
• Ohio State, Alabama, Miami:
  • BA: “Had to pick right now, it's Ohio State. Defense plus efficient QB, that’s what you need.”

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12. Closing Tradition: BA’s Putt for Cash (161:24–end)

• Coach Bruce Arians sinks 4/4 putts live on the Thunderdome’s in-studio green—never done before.
  • 40 winners x $500 each to people who repost. Epic walk-off.
  • Pat, losing it: “That was sick…BA can’t miss!”

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Pat on Lawrence’s game-winning drive (02:18–04:35):
  “Trevor Lawrence electrifying…fourth quarter, less than a minute, perfect ball, off his back foot. This one down the sideline, how you doing, keep it moving.”
• Arians on Jags O-line hero (06:16):
  “Ezra Cleveland needs to get a game ball. Steps up, knocks DE down, opens the hole for Trevor.”
• Darius on Travis Hunter’s status (09:35):
  “Let him do what the hell he wants as long as he’s healthy. He’s a unicorn.”
• Coen on Trevor’s demeanor (16:15):
  “He looked ticked off throughout the game—something I appreciated.”
• BA on modern coaching blow-ups (38:05):
  “Old school, I didn’t think much of it…and the league will contact the Cardinals. Hope all’s ok for him.”
• Oshie on Cup celebrations and Ovechkin (52:01):
  “Ovi sets the tone and we all follow. My arms were dead for days after those Cup stands.”
• Pat Murphy on team building (104:19):
  “Nobody predicted us to be over .500, but it’s because of the guys in the room. Sounds corny, but it’s real.”

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Episode Takeaways

• Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence gain national cred with dramatic primetime win—team has bought in to new coach, culture, and uses Travis Hunter to change the game.
• Travis Hunter is pushing the limits on two-way play at the NFL level—coaches keeping it “simple but special.”
• NFL Week 5 is labeled one for the ages for drama, with comebacks, kicker heroics, and coaching blunders.
• The new special teams rules truly impact outcomes—kickoffs and longer field goals now matter more and bring new intrigue.
• Locker room vibes, coaching culture, and character (across all sports) are central for turning good teams to great teams—from the Jaguars to the Brewers and beyond.
• BA and the Crew’s blend of expert analysis and unfiltered entertainment make each headline feel urgent, real, and unusually accessible—whether you’re a football lifer or a hockey/baseball casual.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This is an episode you’ll want to catch for deep NFL insights, in-the-trenches coaching stories, and backstage passes to how a team’s chemistry is made — plus essential context for why Jaguars, Travis Hunter, and primetime NFL drama are the stories dominating 2025 sports talk.

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Memorable Final Moment:
Coach Bruce Arians drills 4/4 putts on air—Thunderdome erupts; BA Day is solidified as legend. (163:33–165:25)

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Enjoy BA Day next week and watch for the latest on Travis Hunter, Jags’ rise, and the beautiful chaos of football season.

Transcript

[A]

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode. The Thunderdome on this BA Day, October 7, 2025. This program begins right now. Football. That is a man who's coached for damn near 50 years the sport of football. And obviously joining us in the Thunderdome every single Tuesday, a man has become our coach not only on the show, but also into think tank there both before and after these Tuesday shows. Ladies and gentlemen, super bowl champion Bruce. Harry, good to see you. The toxic tables here at Boston. Connor and that Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet rocking his Stanley cup challenge.

[B]

Yes sir.

[A]

Florida Panthers tarp because the NHL drops puck tonight officially to kick off another season. Darius J. Butler.

[B]

Yes sir.

[C]

Had a baby D bot.

[A]

Hey, thanks for representing hockey by the way. We'll certainly be doing that. Gary Bettman was on get up this morning chit chatting about the NHL launching another season. And it feels like it comes so quick strictly because, because of how hard the sport of hockey is, how long the NHL season is and for them to get started back up this quick. I think we're all, we all kind of marvel at what they're able to do with their bodies. I mean I just saw Chuck down there at Miami when he was the guest picker. He's obviously still got a little bit of a limp going on. I think that's just for the rest of his life. That's basically all hockey players. They'll roll these guys or I'm sorry, they'll skate these guys out onto the ice if they can just stand them up. You're talking about some of the toughest dudes in the history of any sport. And they're also the most marvelous with high speed. They're flying through the air, the dangles of their hands, incredible. And they also have a grit that they'll just eat a puck for the good of the team. Their season starts tonight. The Pittsburgh Penguins are going to be debuting this season and that means Sidney Crosby is going to be doing what he has been doing for the last 20 years, which is being absolute goat on the ice. So good luck to all these teams. Shout out to hockey. TJ Oshie will be joining us in about 40 minutes or so to chit chat about that. He's joining ESPN's NHL coverage. That's a match massive get. That's former Captain America. We obviously all woke up with him whenever he was in the Olympics doing a shootout. He took 55 of them against Russia and represented us all in a big time win. So he's joining ESPN's NHL coverage this year he's going to be great and we'll chit chat with him here in a few minutes. Congratulations to hockey head.

[D]

Huge.

[A]

This is big for US football though. Week 5 last night continue to trend from Sunday. That is actually historic in the history of the NFL. There was six double digit comeback wins for teams around the NFL.

[D]

Five remarkable.

[A]

That ties a record. I believe 2013 had six in one weekend as well. But that goes all the way back to like the 1970 merger. So normally, you know, there's been a couple five double digit comeback, maybe three or four. If you have two of these in one weekend, I think you're pretty excited if you're the NFL for six of them to happen including the Monday Night Football kind of nightcap of this entire thing with the Kansas City Chiefs end up losing. Losing to the Jacksonville Jaguars. If you're the NFL, this might have been your weakest slate you had all year. The marquee games really not marquee games, especially with how teams have come and gone and instead what your league does is just steal the show with massive comebacks that you have no clue what's going to happen in any game. You think this game's over. Well, let's talk about week five of the NFL season where there were six double digit comebacks. Did you ever think that could happen in the NFL? Now in the NBA, obviously with the evolution of the three point shot, comebacks are a little bit more efficient. But in the NFL, you know, the game's too slow, not able to do that. Don't worry, we have teams that can overcome anything in on Monday Night Football. Trevor Lawrence in the Jacksonville Jaguars come back from being down 14 nothing and get a huge win at home in the shot Khan double pool paradise with the double stumble to win this entire thing with Trevor Lawrence at the helm. Now Trevor Lawrence and it's taken us a long time to realize this and I apologize for being late to the party. He's got some Carson Wentz in him. There is a Trevor Lawrence experience that you go through because on that final drive whenever they need it now they get the ball at 40 because of kickoff, out of bounds. We're going to talk about the kickoff because special teams certainly a part of this thing but Trevor Lawrence is electrifying and whenever he needed to have a couple big time throws, we're talking absolute pinpoint accuracy. Perfect decisions, perfect balls. This one down the sideline. How you doing? Keep it moving. I need it. 28, 24. Fourth quarter, less than a minute left. Need to sling it he's off his back foot out of reach of that guy, into a pocket in front of the safety and then he takes a big time shot. Brian Thomas Jr. How you doing? Keep it moving. We got an offense. And then right afterwards he delivers another ball to the left. Hi. He streak. Okay, that's 48 seconds left. Trevor Lawrence making the big time throw that you need to make.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Can he move though? Yeah. Two touch. How about can he fall and fall and get up and still score a touchdown? And what the hell is Chris Jones doing in the middle of the field? Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars get a huge win. The celebration there with the fireworks as he throws the ball up is sick. I hope he has that as a gift in his house for the rest of his life. An actual mobile photo should be happening in his house whenever you walk in. And that's potentially the one biggest win of his career in my eyes. Most primetime big win of his career in my eyes. And also a couple massive plays that I don't think we understood. If Trevor Lawrence could do it in a big moment and he did this thing after last week where he ran out of bounds whenever he needed to keep the clock moving, that was considered a bad decision. If he falls twice with no timeouts and he can't get his long haired big ass up and they lose this game because of it, it would be so loud this morning. But instead you see the urgency, the panic, the chaos within him. He gets up, finds his way home and what the hell is Chris Jones doing? I think Chris Jones actually thought to himself, this can't be real. Quarterback's on ground twice right there. He had to got attacked by somebody. This is like a movie. This is like a Foley's. If something bad was to happen, it's the fourth quarter, it's a game winner. There's no way he's on the ground. Looks terrible for Chris Jones.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He's getting rightfully attacked. I think Chris Jones was baffled by what he was seeing in front of him. Once again, can't happen. You're in an NFL game, it's fourth quarter, you're up for and they're about to score a touchdown. He got to make a play, but I think this is huge for the Jags. They moved to 4 and 1. Get a huge winner for the Chiefs. People are talking about Chris Jones in this particular play. But Coach, what we were talking about off air, this didn't really look like the Chiefs at all throughout the entire night. Right. Is that kind of your. Your thoughts On Monday Night Football.

[E]

Yeah. Of all things, the 12 or 13 penalties.

[D]

13. Yep.

[E]

Red zone defense, they're usually outstanding. And especially special teams. I mean, every kickoff got called back and then they kick it out of bounds at the end and. And on that touchdown, Ezra Cleveland needs to get a game ball. If he's the left guard, he steps up and knocks that defensive end down, which opens the hole. Great job.

[A]

Knocks him down. Pancakes.

[E]

And that opens the hole for Trevor to get in.

[A]

Trevor gets tackled right there. There's full chaos now. There's 24 seconds. They'll still be able to get another playoff for sure. What would that play be? Who knows? But if he can't get back up and that ends up being just a sack in this whole world, they would be judging, they'd be calling him a bust this morning. I mean, the conversation would be, this guy came through, remember getting to playoffs, throws like four picks or whatever it immediately upon against the Chargers. And then, you know, last week he runs out of bounds at the time. Then people will go back to the beginning of his career with Urban Meyer, how they're going to build a building and how has it worked out? Well, they've paid him, they appreciate him down there in the building. Obviously he's been a star since like 8th grade or whatever. But I feel like this was a big one for Trevor Lawrence to get on prime time for maybe a national narrative that he's good, this guy's a good player, as opposed to somebody that might not be, which is kind of was lingering in there on the Trevor Lawrence narrative.

[B]

Huge for him in prime time. You mentioned he was kind of the prince that was promised. He was one of the next great ones. He was kind of tabbed as that going into college, definitely. So for him to have his moment. And to your point too, with the four interception game against the Charger, that was his biggest win in his career because he came back and got that playoff win. And then this would probably be right, I'd probably say his second because he had some kind of goofball moments, had a couple delayed games. You know, he had to throw over the line of scrimmage. But then. Or in the biggest moments to make the biggest plays, that throw to Brian Thomas Jr. That's one of the best throws I've seen him make. And then for Brian Thomas Jr. Too. He started off the year rough. You saw him on everything. DB I think week one or two when he kind of was alligator arming a couple throws for him to make this big time catch in A moment where you know you're probably going to take a hit from this safety and you make this catch and kind of show up for your quarterback and for your team and then for Trevor Lawrence to get down there and get it done and get the win. This was Travis Hunter's kind of debut on prime time. So it was all kind of lined up for the Jaguars to show up and they took care of business at home on Trevor's birthday, like, it was a big, big moment. So I'm happy for him because there, there is moments where you know he has the talent, but there are moments where you just look at him and it almost looks like the moment's too big for him. So for him to step up and make those plays. Man, this was awesome to see.

[A]

Birthday game. We mentioned it yesterday. We thought that would carry some weight. It certainly did. Good for him. And let's talk about Travis Hunter's game. Yeah, he is awesome. I mean, he is a spectacle. Unreal on the offensive side now, Grant, I think the orange, I'm sorry, the pink gloves and the pink cleats, I like that, by the way. Breast cancer awareness, October, that used to be like something that was kind of celebr everywhere. But for him to be as spectacular as he. And once again, it might be the shoes and it might be the gloves that hurt, certainly because he's flying around and everything anytime he gets the ball. Chaos on the other side, I mean, he's. He's making people miss. Bad, bad. And then there's full chaos from the other team, defensive side. What did we see from him? I saw, obviously there's a couple plays. They have him in big positions. Travis Kelsey gets hit in the face with a ball with Travis Hunter on him. If Travis Kelce is lined up on Travis Hunter, that means Jacksonville has a lot of faith in Travis Hunter. What did you see from their decision making on defense side of the ball and also Travis on the offense side is that seemingly is only going to continue to grow?

[B]

Yeah. Yesterday on the show leading up to the game, I was like, you know what, man? I think we all kind of were getting to the point where number two pick, we want to see him have a bigger impact, play him more, make him major more on one side of the ball and maybe sprinkle him in. But after seeing him last night, you let Travis Hunter do what the hell Travis Hunter wants to do as long as he can stay healthy. That play right there, the deep ball was special. But this play right here, you could just dump the ball to A guy in space and he can make NFL players look ridiculous. That's when you know you have a special athlete and then you see him on third and three lined up on a big guy like Travis Kelce who you know is probably going to be a target and then make a play. Yeah, some people wanted to flag, but this is a bang bang play in the NFL, especially on third and short. So I like to see it for 12 to be all over the field, kind of be that chess piece when you need them in these big time moments. In the big time matchups. I believe he played like around like 70 snaps, something like that. 60 something snaps on both sides of the ball. So it's special to watch. He's truly a unicorn out there to show up on both sides of the ball and compete and have an impact on a high level. I mean that's what you want if you're stoner and Liam Cohen in that building.

[A]

We'll have the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Liam Cohen, joining us here in about a minute or two to certainly chit chat about how he's been dealing with the reps and managing and maintaining whatever athlete we have here. This might be greatest athlete of all time. BA what are your thoughts on it? Obviously the experiment of a guy playing on both sides of the field has been talked about since the beginning of football way back in the day. I'm sure there was a lot of guys that actually did it, but obviously not at the speed. And the reps. Now at wide receiver and corner would be. Does he have a chance at it from what you've seen here early, and how would you manage that throughout the week?

[E]

Yeah, definitely. I think the biggest thing is the learning the number of plays and the number of coverages in the NFL versus college. You know, you may have three or four college coverages in college. You learn them in training camp, it's over. But now you got a different game plan every week to learn. Both game plans, offense and defense is the hardest part. Now let's keep it simple for him, but he's going to play defense. Let's play a little dude coverage. You got this dude, let's play. That's it.

[A]

All right.

[E]

So let's keep it simple and offensively, just keep feeding this guy the rock, man. He's spectacular.

[A]

Connor, you've been saying for a few weeks like, hey, if you guys haven't been watching the Jacksonville Jaguars, Travis Hunter is electric. He's on the offensive side.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now on the defense, it's not as easy to See, because every play is inscriptive for us to see what the hell each player on the defensive side is doing as it is on the offense side. When Travis Hunter makes a catch on the offense side, it's easier to see. When he's on defense, he's not a part of the play. It's like, well, did he have good coverage? Did he have good leverage? I have no idea. Unless we're watching the All 22 in real time. But you talked about his electricity factor, and I think the world got to see it last night. Love the gloves.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Love the cleats. Love that every time he has the ball, he's trying to do something and it's like his mentality is energy. Everything is, like, infectious, I would assume. Yeah. And that radiates through the screen.

[C]

Truly does. Like, even when he's making plays, just he's always smiling. I mean, he covered Xavier Worthy perfectly. And then he basically limped off. Not. Not because he was hurt or anything. He was probably, you know, a cramp. It was hot. It's awesome. He's playing both ways. I think it's stupid. He does, I'll be completely honest. Just because, like, look what he does when he gets the football right. He had three catches. If he plays, you know, the entire game on offense, does he have eight catches? And on defense, he is incredible. Right. But in, you know, he locked down Travis Kelce. But if he were to be covering Travis Kelce the whole night, is Travis Kelsey scoring a touchdown like that? That's what I just don't understand.

[A]

Well, let's find out how it's going to be managed. Ladies and gentlemen, Joining us now, this guy who's in charge down there in Duvall, head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, ladies and gentlemen. I'm sure he's got a fresh pair of shoes on his feet. He's probably swagged out immensely. Fresh off a massive dub on Monday Night Football against the Chiefs, who could potentially be in the middle of a dynasty this team may be beginning. One. Whoa. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Liam Cohen. Yeah, Coach. How are you, dude?

[F]

Thanks, guys.

[G]

Appreciate you, guys, man. Sorry, losing my voice a little bit here, man.

[A]

I would be emotional after last night. Obviously, we enjoy listening to your speeches afterwards when you're talking to the boys. And we assume throughout the week, the amount of messaging that you're sending to this squad is also a lot. So we appreciate you utilizing some of your VOC vocal cords on this glorious Preparation Tuesday in chatting with us after the biggest Win of your head coaching career. Congratulations. Congrats. Okay, so obviously, Kansas City Chiefs coming to town. This is Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes. What was your messaging to the boys? And is it the same, like, hey, we're building something special here, and there's an opportunity? Is that your messaging? And how did you get to this point, you think, with this locker room?

[G]

Yeah, the messaging has been pretty clear. Each week is just for us to go out and try to get better each and every week, regardless of the logo that we're playing. You know, we've had great opportunities to play against some really quality opponents, and. But it's really about us correcting every week and getting better each and every week. But the style of play in which these guys are playing with, physical, relentless, tough, no flinch, no blink mentality. I've been really proud of the way these guys have competed. A lot of things to clean up, but through five weeks, been proud of these guys.

[A]

Okay, so let's talk about your team playing fast, you know, fundamentally sound, attacking situational masters and tough. You know, let's talk about them playing fast as a whole. Is that. Is that the one that's on a shirt that's right over your right shoulder right there? Is that the entire team motto for the year?

[G]

Yeah, that's. That's our style of play motto. And that's something that we've adopted through, you know, working over the years with Sean McVay and other guys, where you think of, okay, what is it we want to look like when people turn on our tape? What is our resume? Ultimately, that's what fast speaks to. And look, it hasn't been perfect, but the. The mentality that these guys have played with each and every week. Last week, Hunter Long, fundamentally sound getting down in a critical third down to beat San Fran. You know, we've been attacking the football with the turnovers, you know, fundamentally sound all throughout situational masters, tough. Like, these are things that we try to show them each and every week. Great examples of. And, man, these guys are continuing to do it each and every week.

[A]

Let's talk about situational masters. Trevor Lawrence knew like hell he had no timeouts. Whenever he fell the first time, then when he fell the second time. Oh, shit, oh, shit, oh, shit. Then he obviously makes an incredible play. Last night was a little bit of the Trevor Lawrence experience while we were watching it. Primetime game, Kansas City Chiefs. This shot right here is epic as the fireworks literally go off at the same time. And he throws the football. Tell me about Trevor Lawrence as your quarterback. And what last night could potentially mean for what the world thinks or sees of Trevor Lawrence.

[G]

Yeah, I was really proud of Trevor in the way that he competed. That was the thing that I think continued to show up through four quarters was even after maybe a mistake or not a great series. He just, he looked ticked off throughout the game, honestly, which I was appreciative of in ways. He used his legs, he took some hits and then the last drive, I mean, everybody's going to talk about that last play, but the throw to BTJ down the right sideline, tight window. Great job staring down the barrel there and making a huge throw and catch. The next play to Diami Brown on the left sideline was a dot. And then we get to that situation and look, he ends up getting tripped. That does happen, you know, it's just so happened that it happened on this play and look at the resiliency, the effort. That's an unbelievable individual effort to go get in the end zone and get us the W. I mean, that's a two minute drive to go beat a team that has been really good in one score games over the course of history. And for us to pull that out and for him to make that play, really proud of him.

[A]

Yeah, I'm proud of your entire team, Don Early. Yeah, hell yeah. You know, you guys are now 4 and 1 tied for the lead in the AFC with Buffalo Bills and I think that's it. Who's that other team? I think it's just that other team, Liam.

[B]

It's another one.

[G]

Hey, they are playing at a high level right now.

[A]

That's.

[G]

There is no question. We are trying to get better each and every week that it is truly about us. But you can appreciate and when you watch the tape around the league, what Indy's been doing, obviously what Buffalo has been doing, there's so much good football being played right now and you look around the league, the points that are being scored, quarterback play, I mean, it's all really cool to watch. And so for us to be a part of that and to be in that conversation right now is, is pretty cool. We've got an opportunity this week against Seattle at home again. We're going to need our fan base and city to come support again for us.

[A]

Yeah, I would, I would like to say you're obviously in there doing it and I'm just having jacking diets at the games for the Colts, but nobody would have pictured us. Look at us. Nobody would have pictured the Jags and the Colts and the AFC south having the Two, whenever you go into the year, that's why the NFL is the greatest. Football is the best sport on earth. And if you can get the boys motivated and rolling, anybody can beat anybody. Especially with how you guys look on the defense. 99 yard pitch six. Go ahead, debug.

[B]

Evan Lloyd backing it up. So big, Big edition defensive coordinator Anthony Campanelli, what has he brought to you? Because last year, I think you guys, only you, obviously you weren't there, but the Jags only had like nine takeaways, already up to 14 leading the national Football League and taking the football away. What is that? D.C. brought to the. To the unit.

[G]

Campy is his fire, his passion, his authenticity. I've known Anthony Campanelli for a long time. I watched him coach at Boston College when I was at Maine doing professional development. And that was the time where I said, this is the guy I want to hire to be my DC someday. And he's got these guys playing at a really high level in terms of the way they attack the football, the way that they coach it, the way that they teach it, the way that these guys are repping it every single day in practice. It's his personality showing out for this, for this defense to be able to continue to be them and mold who they want to be as a unit. And it's pretty cool to see not.

[A]

Not fumbling at the half yard line there. Great play. Yeah. From what we thank God for the good of ball, that did not happen. And for the third time in two weeks, go ahead.

[B]

Absolutely. And if you just run that play back from the beginning, Foxy like, and you just look at the effort. First of all, the heads up play, that's a play that we saw picked off from Akuba earlier in the year. Same route concept off the tip. But you see it's one fast guy on the field, Thornton, and you see Allen, Hines Allen kind of peek by, boom, just bump him off right there. And that's the difference of him getting in the end zone or not. So, like all these guys been on the same page, post snap, pre snap. Like, that's phenomenal, man. I love seeing shit like that buy in, brother.

[A]

You got a good locker room down there. You know, there's been a lot of Jaguars teams. Think that's all they would say.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

That's all they would say. You know, hey, they've got a lot of teams down there. They've had people playing down there. Certainly beat the Colts every single year down there, but seemingly nothing else. For you to have the boys this quickly into your stint, you and Stoner having everybody bought in, I feel like there is a true, like eager for success down there, like a yearning for success. And that owner brother, from what we know from outside looking in, he's all in. Ty has a question.

[D]

Yeah, Coach, I'm just curious. Is this what you envisioned in January? I mean, obviously it's hap. It's ha. It happened in September after last night, it's happening in October. Do you get the sense that this is going to last forever or where are we sitting right now?

[A]

Easily, yeah.

[G]

I mean, look the shots, vision for what this, you know, ultimately want to look like from a leadership standpoint and, and having Tony Biselli on board with James has been really fun. And working with the entire building, the staff, coaches, players, has been really fun from the beginning. It hasn't all been rainbows and butterflies, but we've gotten through to just being having a great communication in the building and everybody on the same page. And we've had some real honest conversations with our players and in team meetings about what we want this to look like and not really surprised, honestly. I think that the guys, they were hungry when we got here. Like this was a hungry team. They know that they have to go out and prove it and take something and compete to show and get respect and have pride about what you're doing. Really proud about where we're at right now.

[A]

Let's talk about some of your guys. There was a moment where this thing could have went one way that I think Jags fans would have expected potentially of yesteryear. But maybe not this year. Go ahead, Connor.

[C]

Yeah, coach. Last night you guys ended up tying the record for the NFL and most double digit comebacks. It was incredible. But what was it like when you were down 14? Nothing. Was it kind of a quiet sideline? Was there someone, you know, kind of walking up and down, getting everyone going? How would you describe that atmosphere during that point in the game?

[G]

Yeah, it was a shocker a little bit because we hadn't, you know, really been behind that much early on in games. And so I did think that we had some really juiced up energy, I think going into the game. I wouldn't say it was, was, you know, not ready for the moment or bright eyes. I think we were a little bit overly juiced and came out and just really needed to compose ourselves. I think Anthony Campanelli grabbed the defense after the second score and was very vocal. Had the whole group over there trying to communicate what the standard and expectations are and Those guys followed suit. And then I just saw Trevor, like his, his demeanor throughout the entire game, guys was so steady in a fiery way. He had a look in his eyes all day that we were going to be confident about coming back from a 14 point deficit and we just chipped away at it and made some plays in critical moments.

[A]

I like to hear that about Trevor, bro, because he's always been like super chill guy because I think. And you would know him better than me and I'm not a sociologist, which I think would be the people that would be doing this study.

[B]

Oh, I am.

[A]

Okay. So D. But you can be the one that maybe answers for us here. I think because he's been so popular for so long, he's been forced almost to not act arrogant. Don't act too confident. Also don't be too, like, since he's like eighth grade, they've been saying this guy's the guy. And I think this has been during the era of cell phones. So like I think Trevor Lawrence, throughout his entire high school career, college career, and he's been basically forced to just have no emotion almost, you know. So I think people take that as a way. Maybe he's not as intense or whatever, but I think he literally wasn't allowed. So just like you're saying us from a group of people that have been watching him for the last seven, eight years because he plays against or however many years he's been five years or whatever, because we. I like that he's getting. I like that ball. Throw that like, I like that shit. And it sounds like you do as well. It feels like you're getting maybe the most out of Trevor Lawrence or freeing Trevor Lawrence. Like how do you feel? Like whenever. Because this guy has been a star since eighth grade, like, how is it dealing with him? And obviously you being a quarterback must help at least a little bit.

[G]

Yeah, there's truth to the fact that he's been in the, you know, the spotlight for a long time. I don't know if there's many people better with the media than Trevor in terms of the way he speaks to people with such humility and honesty. That's how he speaks to our team and to our players. And that's what makes him a leader. That's why he showed out in a moment like that last night, is because he's able to take responsibility for his actions in front of people, in front of the group, in front of coaches. There's an honesty there that he wants to continue to get better. And we haven't even really gotten there fully. And last night was a huge step in the right direction. I think there's a lot of meat on the bone. And last night was a great moment for Trevor to continue to go forward.

[A]

He's just so. He's everything you want. Tall.

[C]

The hair was almost more perfect last night than ever.

[D]

I don't know if it was his birthday.

[A]

And jawline also shining on the birthday. And then obviously the can't. And then that last play. Unbelievable. To score a touchdown. Coach BA has a question for you, Coach Cohen.

[E]

Hey, congrats man. I know how hard it is to get to 4 and 1 your first year, but I just want to know, did Ezra Cleveland get a game ball? Cuz I'm definitely giving him one when, when he fell down twice and he just pancakes that left end and opens that hole up for him. And I'm definitely giving Ezra game ball on that one.

[A]

Sounds like you're being forced to as well.

[G]

Hey coaches, you know, thank you so much. Respect ba. You know, you, you, you, those guys up front have been playing that way and Ezra has definitely taken that physical mindset and he's done that a lot this season. You know, look, he's playing hurt. He's playing. They're, they're just playing through toughness and grit. And I really appreciate Ezra. He's definitely going to be up for a game ball.

[A]

That's what. Hey, Ezra. Congrats dude.

[C]

That boy Ezra.

[A]

Congrats, dude. Sounds like you got got one. BA's hand out game balls retirement. I love that. I love that. Start tossing them around buildings. Maybe it should be BA's game balls. Definitely segment BA ball. BA's balls. Everybody wants to be a part of BAS balls, coach. That's the truth. Take it easy. Hey, real question here. We're talking about as you're coming on. I assume you heard a little bit as we were setting up the camera. The Travis Hunter usage and I think last night was the most a lot of us had seen him play since when he was at Colorado. He's spectacular. I mean the gloves and the cleats were certainly a part of it, but anytime he gets the ball, it's like holy shit, anything could happen here. And then on defensive side, you guys have enough faith in him to be lining up against goat first ballot hall of Famer in Travis Kelce. There's conversations about will he be able to play full time on both sides of the ball. How are you going to manage that? It's a lot of obviously intel that he has to learn, let alone managing the body and everything like that. And on the offensive side, we see that. We think there's not a lot of people that could do that. Why are we wasting any time on defensive side? But then you guys are probably saying, we put him on Travis on third down. There's not a lot of people that could do what he could do on the defensive side. How are you managing it? Where are we? And there's a story going around that you were a part of. Actually, Eli said something about maybe he didn't practice offense in college. If you would like to clarify all that type of shit into one convo, we'd like to let you know he's a special talent from our sites. How are you guys handling it all and working? What's the plan?

[G]

Yeah, I mean, it's been a work in progress that each week you're continuing to look at how to improve the schedule, the operation. I think we're in a good place right now with how he spends his time both on the offense and defensive side during the week. And look, he made the most of some unbelievable opportunities last night. And really it was starting over the last few weeks. We just didn't connect on a few. He's been open a few times or just. Just whatever happened, it didn't come to fruition. And last night to see him go out and make the plays with the ball in his hands, run after catch, the energy that he brings, really, really cool to see. And then the defense, you know, as much as we can get him out there and get him in positions to be successful, we want to keep doing. So what's the tap on this? I can't tell you. I think it's only getting better and better as we go. I'm really excited to see what it's going to look like week in and week out. It's somebody we got to continue to get the ball to and get the ball in his hands. Him and BT had great nights last night, made huge plays for us. And then he practiced on defense. Excuse me, on offense. At Colorado, it was just primarily defense.

[A]

Got it.

[G]

And then that's when he would go out. You know, look at the signals from the sideline, which is. That's what they did. There were a no huddle operation. So. So I think it was. He practiced on offense, just not very much. It was way more on defense. He got in the walkthroughs on offense and look, they used him and made him a Heisman Trophy winner. And he did that on his own. He did that with that help of Colorado, we're hoping to continue to do that. So he can be the best version of himself.

[A]

So he was primary defense with offensive packages basically whenever he was at Colorado is kind of what you're saying.

[G]

Yeah, he was just a little bit more primary on defensive defense with I think the meeting time, the time allocated and they caught him up more in the walkthroughs and maybe a practice and, or a period or two during the day in practice on offense. So he's gotten to work at both. It was just a little bit more defense than offense there and where we've been kind of flipping that and doing more offense than defense from a just development standpoint of playing the receiver position and what goes into not just a formation and emotion, but reading coverage on a play or going and executing and being at the right spot at the right time. He's getting better and better and we're excited about what's in store.

[A]

So Coach prime obviously has a lot of NFL guys that have played in on his coaching staff and I think that's what all NFL guys asked immediately upon the Travis Hunter is going to play on both sides of the ball. Well, how is he going to spend his meeting time? That is literally what everybody that's ever played in the NFL or has been in the building, like how is he going to manage that? So everybody's talking about like on the field, but what about like install and everything else that takes place? So I, I appreciate you guys saying like we, he's a weapon on offense. We got to get him in here. But it sounds like on the defensive side, whenever there's. He has a package for defense, maybe it might change game to game. Is that something we're, we're just assuming there now at this point?

[G]

Yeah, he, he's basically campy, knows like all right, Travis is in. These are more my priority calls. Try to stick with more of these. It's not just necessarily a package, it's just all right, trying to be in a good area of doing what he does best or what he knows best as well, whether that's playing cloud or 3D forg man. And just trying to simplify some of that. But he has to know a ton of the calls. He has to know all the red zone calls, the situational third down calls. He's got to know a lot of each game plan, guys. I mean this, the amount of time that is spent throughout the day when he's not in a meeting on offense, he's definitely with the defense or vice versa. There's not a minute of his time throughout the day that isn't being utilized during practice. During special teams, he's doing Indy on offense or defense.

[D]

It's.

[G]

It's full go. He's got a lot of work to do each and every week and so do his coaches. And it's getting better and better.

[A]

What a special talent, man. It's incredible, honestly. Yeah, just you. You talk about that tough down there at the bottom it says mentally and physically. Obviously to get through all that, you got to be in incredible shape. You got to be a phenomenal athlete. But mentally that can all be draining. Like just like this. This. This is the NFL too. It's not like we're just running, you know, we got six plates, coach. Yeah, yeah. Like that ain't how it's going. It is. That's a lot. Special talent, obviously worthy of the move that you guys made to go get him. If you'd like to clarify some things, we would certainly allow you to utilize this platform to do as such. We put this tail of the tape up now. We have made one edit. We have made one edit. We put your size at six two. Remember we had you at six one there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And the Internet did change. We had to find a little bit more. We will say AI And Wikipedia got you wrong. They did. Your college football stats obviously got you right at 6 2, 2, 23. You're 31 0. As a head coach. That. That has changed since then. Oh yeah. You're now four one and now. Yep. Roll up the sleeve.

[C]

Looks like he's in better shape too. That looks like 205 now.

[A]

I don't. Yeah, he might be down to a little bit slimmer. Yeah. Not getting to eat as much because we got a couple more things coming across our desk. This situation here. We're past it. We're past it. Hopefully, coaches, we've bygones be bygones. And how did it feel to get introduced as the head coach to the world about, hey, this guy's willing to fight people. How was this all. How has it been as head coach with all this shit? How has it been.

[G]

No, look, I've got a ton of respect for Robert Solomon and Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers. Sometimes the emotions get the best of you and you know, ultimately you want to be able to have a lot of. I have a lot of respect for those guys. They, they. We competed against them twice a year and there's probably some pent up emotions over the years of LA San Fran games. And so, you know, lost my emotions there. And look, I got a lot of respect for those guys, but. But look, being a head coach in this league, it's. It's day in and day out, right? There's so much, as you said, come across your desk, you deal with being in the public spotlight. And it's fun, though. We've had a blast. I've had a blast doing this with this. With this team, with this staff. You know, hopefully we're getting better each and every week, and these guys are playing their tails off, but it's been fun to lead this team.

[A]

You've been crushing it, man. It's been fun to watch you as well. And we like. We like a little. Love it. Yeah, we like that, baby. Hey, we're playing. This is competitive. It's football. Yeah. That's what we're doing here. That's what we're doing. I like when there's a little bit of sauce. And your boys clearly enjoy it as well. Those locker room moments are beautiful. And that's what everybody misses. I'm happy to see you getting a chance to enjoy them down there in Jacksonville. You guys just might be second best team in the AFC South.

[G]

Out, man.

[A]

You guys don't know that against the me, please. I don't need to be adding any billboard material. I a big Jacksonville Jaguars fan. You guys are an incredible team. Okay. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, fresh off a big win over the Kansas City Chiefs. Four and one down there and du. Liam Cohen, you're the best. He's a man. The man. It is, it is. He's been very cool to us. Legit. We have a lot of mutual le. Liam and us have a lot of mutual. We didn't know that until he got this big and we started, you know, our entire Duvall thing. And then we start getting texts from people like, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[D]

He's a great guy.

[A]

He's a good guy. And he's he and all this same age now.

[B]

We're at that age now where a lot of guys our age are getting their head jobs. And now we gotta start keeping, like, a record of, like, coaches who start off looking like doofuses.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

In the press conference and then go on and beat like, Dan Campbell, Nick Sirianni. We got Liam.

[A]

Well, Gannon, you know, now the politics is going over to Gannon because Gannon wasn't the opening press conference. Gannon got got by some social media degree. Have an expert who remember that. Yeah. For the car. We drive to work today and he's. Who's. Who's got fire your gut in your belly. That one. And then explosive shots. And they were just. They were just letting us into the world. We didn't really know who this guy was. And they're like, hey, here's the new Arizona Cardinal head coach. Who's putting this out? Somebody wants this guy dead. Oh, it's the Arizona Cardinal social media team. Oh, geez. All right. This guy's getting buried now. There's a whole nother situation happening with old Coach Gannon. He struck a player. He did.

[B]

Oh, no, can't do that.

[A]

Here's a sideline interaction that happened between Coach Gannon. His hat actually gets all turned a little bit and he hits him in chest. On the way out, he does a fist bump that might. Or, ah. That might have hit his arm too. I don't know. From this angle, you can't really see it. From the back angle, you don't really know exactly what happened. But there certainly appears to be two different shots. And I would say this. There's certainly a way of speaking about it that I've heard people doing. I heard somebody say assault. I heard this guy struck a man. I heard somebody saying. I believe there were some other media ways to say it. I guess that is technically what took place there. I do wonder how this all works out, though, because they're saying there's going to look into it. What does the NFL do? What the Cardinals do. We got Coach Ba here, obviously, Coach Ba coached football for 47 years. Was coaching with Bear Bryant. That's right. And we've obviously heard the stories. Yeah, I'm like, Bear Bryant. I think we all understand what football coaches have certainly done in the past of football with a lot of very good football teams and how, you know, it's a physical sport. A lot of ex football people in there. There's a chance. But nowadays it feels like with us being able to see everything and what good coaches have been able to accomplish without doing it and everything, like, how do you feel about this BA because this is Gannon. I think if you were to ask old football guys, what's the big deal? He could have grabbed him and actually shook him and let him know that there are 10 families that are about to lose their jobs and have to pick up and move because of what you just did. We work so hard to just try to score one touchdown, let alone that touchdown, and you go ahead and just throw everybody's future basically in the trash. Can is what Gannon is probably relaying in that exact moment. But in modern world, that is very unique. I would say not happening on a very regular basis. So old school football people probably think of one thing. Gannon living in a modern world. How do you think it all shapes up and what is normally due process here? Like, the NFL calls, the Cardinals will call. Kind of. How does it work if you had to give.

[E]

Yeah, I'm old school. I didn't think that much of it. And, you know, it's like, he didn't grab his face mask, tear his helmet off like they did back in the 80s.

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[E]

Throw it up in the stand.

[A]

Of course. Yeah, I've seen one. But no, it.

[E]

I think, yeah, the league will contact the Cardinals. The Cardinals will handle it internally. And I hope everything comes out okay for him because I think he's a hell of a coach. And sometimes the emotion. And I'm sure they just showed the Colts play in their locker room.

[A]

All right.

[E]

To the whole team, make sure we don't let this happen. And we let it happen.

[B]

Yep.

[E]

You know, and it's like, yeah, you're gonna lose your shit sometimes.

[A]

D butt your thoughts on how it all.

[B]

I'm on the opposite side. And maybe this is the coach player thing. And I saw it might have been on get up, but it had, like, Cardinal Sin. That was a good headline because it is kind of that line, you know, you. You yell, you do everything that you do, but as a grown man, there is kind of like, hey, just don't put your head. And we saw the conversation with Urban Meyer, and just when that happens, we know the emotions are high. You know, it's a lot of testosterone during the game on the sideline. Now, in that moment, if the player snaps, because he's going through a lot, too, he goes back and he whoops Gannon's ass. Now he's a bad guy. You know what I mean? We saw it with Lamar Jackson. That situation from the crowd. It's the same thing, you know, just keep your hands to yourself. We talked that as a child. I understand emotions get high. I understand what it used to be and shit like that. But that is a line that you cross. And once you. I teach my kids, hey, you put your hand on somebody, you can't. You. You can't control how they retaliate. So that's kind of always that line. I don't think he. He meant it in a terrible way, but, you know, you just. You just can't cross that line in.

[A]

My opinion, I think the first one he could get away with saying, I was telling him, come on. Yeah, here we go. I was giving him like a come on shot that first one. It's the second one that I think he hits him in the arm with a headbutt there that people. That second one, I think is what's going to be a. Got tough. But on that note, vastly different worlds than what it used to be like. Vastly different worlds. And Gannon knows that. He's been coaching in this era this entire time. And over there. Are the Cardinals ever. Are there?

[B]

No, no.

[D]

They.

[A]

What they.

[D]

That game. Yeah. Well, guess what? BA Ain't walking through the door in two weeks. They. That game they lost to the Titans on Sunday. I feel like they lose two of those games a year.

[A]

Two of those games says it feels like we lose two of them a week.

[D]

Yeah. Exactly.

[A]

Like he lost his mind.

[D]

It happens all the time. But that's also the other side of it is like if the Cardinals are, you know, four and one after that, this kind of just gets brushed under the rug. It's like whatever, you know, he did, they. They and all the emotions, like it happens. But because they're not playing necessarily well and they're starting to lose a little bit, it's like now wait a minute. You know, not only you are they're playing like. But their coach is acting like this on the sideline.

[A]

Maybe we.

[D]

Maybe we reassess this situation like now.

[A]

East coast bias or whatever they call it. Media is certainly something. If this dude did this and had the results that he's having for a team that was New York Giants or New York jets or any of these. Any team over on. Basically, that gets covered a lot. This would be the.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

This would be the big.

[D]

Talking about it for 45 minutes.

[A]

Yeah. This would be. They would have think pieces.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

About this attack state of coaching would be coming out in this entire thing. But because it is Arizona and because there's really. I mean, this sucks to say. I know you got a lot of connections back there and AQ's color commentary. Absolutely. But because it's Arizona, it's like there's no real thought that they're going to win anything. Which sucks. Yeah. Because that city is. That might be the best city. And I'm not going to say it's top there. It is. It's one of the greatest places on earth, let alone in the United States of America. And it seems like they have everything you would possibly want or need to win just Seemingly nowhere near it at this point, but everything could change. And maybe Gannon stops hitting his players. Maybe these guys will win a football game. You know, that's literally what an argument now is all of a sudden.

[C]

Well, and it's the toughest division. Like, this is as high stakes as it gets. I feel like for a coach in Gannon's position, just because it's a make or break year, that shit's happening on a football field. In a make or break year, you're losing to a team that legitimately might win only one game this year, and that is against the Cardinals. Now that's tough. The biggest winner of this that we're not really talking about is Brian Callahan. He's probably going up on his press conferences like, oh, you think I'm a prick? You see what this guy's doing to his players? Sure, I get upset about the game and then I, you know, maybe talk with a little edge to. To some of you guys.

[A]

But.

[C]

But hey, at least I'm not jumping over this table and punching you in the face, Paul Kaharski. Okay, so it could be much worse. And it's kind of awesome for Callahan. Like, shout out to Cam Ward.

[A]

Cam Ward.

[C]

You know, that's his first NFL win.

[D]

Like, in.

[C]

The whole story is about how the other coach is beating the piss out of his player on the side.

[A]

Congratulations to the Titans.

[B]

Make some big time throws. I wish Dan Oaka posted him on Twitter so I could have seen him.

[A]

Why didn't he?

[B]

He's not allowed.

[A]

What?

[C]

Excuse me?

[B]

That's what he said.

[A]

What'd he say?

[B]

I. I want to show you these throws so bad. The cam war, mate. But I'm not allowed to post on Twitter anymore.

[A]

Well, why don't you go negotiate a deal with the NFL, Dan, like everybody else does? Oh, oh, not everybody, I guess, Just some of us. Go do it, Dan. Yeah, it's no problem. Just go reach out to them, negotiate a deal. Or have your little agents do that for.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

You know, so you get the deal done. And I only say little agents because we actually know who they are. And they are tiny and good lads. Good lads. I assume they're good lads. Yeah, we don't know for sure, but we assume they're good for Titans fans. And since I'm not allowed to post video on here anymore, that's on you, Dan. You acting like that's on somebody else. That is. You're an adult.

[C]

Since it's against the law to steal other people's content, I'm not allowed to.

[A]

Since the NFL is expecting me to call them and say, hey, can I do this with your shit? There's a lot of people on the Internet doing that.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So many.

[C]

It's about time.

[A]

I don't know if Dan's the right guy to be going after, and I think probably miscommunication here from people who don't know what the hell's going on at certain places. But I think the NFL is in the middle of a potential. Everybody's having a good time just stealing our shit time. And I don't know if they're going to like, now on that note, I'm the doofus who's been paying them for years. While everybody else has just been yanking it. He's been stealing their shit. And I have. Have literally just been like, I feel like I'm supposed to do this 15 to the corner, you know American Gangster. Yep. Now he kills the guy then does it.

[D]

He does.

[C]

But we like the NFL too.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't want to do it, so I'm just 15% of the corner. I just always thought it was the right thing to do because we were running the Internet show. It's like, hey, I'm running a lot of your guys shit. Feels like I should because you guys are just gonna sue me.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Incessantly. If we don't. Just gotta work the deal, Dan. Then all of a sudden you can do your little listen. What this guy does the whole thing.

[D]

See, But I love this gimmick for Dan. Like this. This is Dan Orlovsky. Like, you know, here. You know what I'm gonna do? Fine. I'm gonna post 12 timestamps of plays. You need to go watch right now. Go do some homework.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I've been grinding tape like this. If. If I were gonna think of how Dan's gonna do this, this is it. Go ahead. Post a bunch of plays from the game and make the fans go find them.

[B]

TJ Lang actually went and found him and then posted it on the thread.

[A]

That's good football. That's good Internet and good football. Dan. I don't want to tell your little agents what to do, but like, NFL plus is trying to run a little stuff. They got the all 22, you can certainly do Sunday ticket. I think probably is a way you could go through there. NFL films, probably a way you could probably get in there. This would require a little forethought and a handshake or two in a conversation. But money, damn. We need. And there will have to be some Sort of business done there. But I think, Dan, we need it. Because I can't be just banking on TJ Lang stealing their shit.

[D]

No.

[A]

And putting it up there every single time. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a league representative that used to just hit us with. We used to get sued by this company. Oh, yeah. More than anybody. Whenever we were just an Internet show instead of falling under the umbrella license our show through espn. Then all of a sudden we're umbrella subsidiaries of a couple of the other leagues. And it's a league that we've been a fan of since I was a little boy. I grew up in Pittsburgh. I was very lucky to grow up in a hockey. And I'm very lucky that I'm United States of American because there's been great USA Hockey players ever since the beginning. Obviously, everybody talks about the Miracle on Ice, and obviously that's something special. But how about whenever you wake up and you watch the Olympics and there's an American taking a on Russia all by his goddamn self, just back and forth on the ice. Who's fighting Russia? This guy. Who's beating Russia? This guy. I immediately fell in love with this man. Then I learned quickly, oh, this dude's an absolute legend. A true beauty. A Stanley cup champion, an NHL legend and a man that fought for the United States of America. Now on ESPN's NHL coverage, TJ Ocean. Yeah, TJ. What's up, boys? What's up?

[F]

How we doing?

[A]

Hey, great. Thank you so much for joining us on this official puck drop to the NHL season. Congrats on joining the ESPN coverage. And I would like to say ESPN's lucky they got you as well. So I'm very happy that that happened, man. How are you? How are you feeling going into the season and what are your thoughts?

[F]

Thank you. Appreciate it.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

Super excited to join espn. I mentioned it on my social media, but my dad, like my childhood, little childhood before, like the high school days, my dad fell asleep to Sports center like every night of his life. So he would. This. This would have been a dream come true for him. But I'm excited. I'm excited to get the season rolling. I've never watched as a fan before retiring in June. So this will be my first year. I actually didn't watch any hockey growing up at all, so this will be my first year being. Yeah, I know it's weird. It's really weird, but.

[A]

Well, I'm happy you're the expert. I'm going to be listening to. Jeez Louise.

[F]

Well, I know the game.

[A]

Get Me wrong.

[F]

I played, I played long enough. I can, I can follow pretty good. But I'm excited to sit back and be able to see some more hockey this year.

[A]

I think your perspective is going to be glorious, actually. If you've never watched how hockey's been covered, that is something that is. I'm kind of intrigued to see how you break it down because you're going to see things obviously that people haven't seen. And then you're going to realize like, you might, you might change the way hockey's covered. You might be like, hey, here's something that maybe we need to look for. And they might add a camera, the ocean cam. You might save the entire sport because you've never watched the sport that you're about to cover before. Let's talk about how many years you played. And let's talk. How do you think the NHL has changed with its relationship with media? Because there's been a long time where we don't know anything about the hockey players, really, the NHL players. We grew up in Pittsburgh and all we knew is they won. And then after you win the Stanley cup, everybody parties. And then these things, these hockey players just kind of disappear. They go into hibernation and they somehow get, get into better shape and then they have another season. We don't hear anything. Then I think spit and chick, let's kind of open the door a little bit. And then the, the kind of, the way we've learned about hockey players has kind of grown multiple different networks and platforms. Having the NHL now, how do you feel that is like kind of affected the locker room or hockey? And how much more do you think we have in that department to grow the game, if you will?

[F]

I think there's definitely a lot of room. We'll start there. I think the emergence of people having their own platforms, your own social media, you're getting guys to see a little bit more personality. I think hockey in general is a very team, very tight sport. You don't give anyone anything. You know, it's upper body, lower body, sometimes that's even wrong. So it's, it's, it's hard for as a team because you don't want to give anyone anything on you and you want to put the team in front of yourself at all times. And so I think hockey is doing a good job and getting into that where the team still is first, but now with social media and some other things, you're able to see the players personalities a little bit. Maybe it's not, you know, in every Interview. But, I mean, the hockey culture is one that's fantastic to be a part of a lot of really, really good people. And so it's great to see some more personalities come out and you can kind of learn a little bit more about people and. And instead of, you know, like you said, kind of hibernating and going away, same thing. When we won the cup, you know, we didn't know what to do. We were like. The fans felt like such a big part of this. We're going to party in the streets. We're opening the doors to everything, and it was a great way to celebrate. All the fans loved it. We loved it. And. Yeah, but like you mentioned, spin chickens does a good job. They kind of go behind the scenes a little bit. A couple NHL guys on there, a couple of my buddies, but there's definitely still a lot more room for. To see the personality. Personalities of the players. If you could actually see in the locker room how we are, it's. I mean, I play with. With obi. So, like, if. If you could see kind of how we are in the locker room, it's. It's wild.

[A]

Yeah, it's an incredible culture. And I think part of your culture is like, hey, don't bring the attention on yourself. Which is why we respect and appreciate the culture so much. But it's hard to grow the culture when the culture is. I don't want any attention. Like, it's like. It's like a constant battle. But I think hockey's in the middle of a great renaissance right now, and we're thankful and pumped that you're going to be a part of the coverage. You just mentioned ovi. We had him on the show last year. He immediately introduced everybody on Team. Hey. This is.

[B]

Hey, this is.

[A]

It was amazing. Like, it was incredible. He's og, but I do think he is a good representative of how hockey players feel. On that note, you talked about taking in the streets. Go ahead, con man.

[C]

Yeah, tj, you said you guys didn't know what to do after you won the Stanley cup, but that feels like. Like bullshit, because Ovechkin did it better than anybody in the history of the NHL. What was it like kind of following his lead when it came to party? And we know it was like, on the ice, it seemed as though he, you know, he knew what he was doing scoring goals. Now he's the greatest goal scorer of all time. What was it like, kind of once you win that cup and you're looking at Alex Ovechkin and some of those guys in that locker room. And, you know, you basically just party for 10 days straight. Was it just the time of your life or whatever?

[F]

Yeah, it. I mean, it definitely was. I mean, we felt like we were on top of the world. Yeah, there's probably not a better guy to party with when you win the Stanley cup than. Than the big man. So, I mean, we. We had. We had a lot of bl. A lot of. A lot of good times. I'll tell you. When I kind of came up with doing the, you know, the keg stand, the cup stand, I was. I was going to go super hot out and I was like. Like, there wasn't a lot of beer coming to us. There's fans around us. And I was like, we gotta do something to fire this thing up. And so I was like. I told Tom Wilson, me, and we're kind of partners in crime a little bit. And I was like, hey, let's go do a cake stand on the cup. He was like, really? And I was like, yeah, let's. Let's do this. And he was like, all right, all right, let's go, let's go. And I was like, wait, wait. OVI has to be first. And I'm not a big guy at all. Ovi's a lot heavier than me. And so me and Tom. Tom has no problem. But we're lifting OVI upside down to do a cup stand. And I remember that that next day from lifting the cup, from lifting up OVI and then the rest of the guys that funneled in my arms. I could barely lift my arms over my head. Yeah, I was an upper body for sure.

[A]

I was.

[F]

I was on the mend for a couple weeks, but, you know, we got her going the next day and I forgot about it. But no, the big man, he definitely sets the tone and we all follow. And, you know, the pictures I have on my phone of, you know, me and him celebrating, just pure joy is pretty special.

[A]

Tonight we got a three piece as we launch this next hockey season. And Penguins, Rangers at 8pm, Blackhawks, Panthers, shoot it off, skate it off. I don't know what you guys say. Drop it off. It's not. Kick it off, whatever it is. At 5pm and then 10:30, avalanche and kings. Everybody's hunting one particular trophy and you just mentioned it there, the cup. There's been one team that seemingly wants to own it forever. And D. But South Florida native has been a fan since the beginning.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

Has a question for you, TJ.

[B]

132 years. TJ you just talk about party brought me back some flashbacks to the elbow room the last couple of years. But our leader, the guy that sets the tone for us, Barkey will be out for significant time, turn his acl, mcl. What are our chances getting that three peat with Barky being down and Chucky even kind of limping into the season?

[F]

I, I think, I mean, I think Florida just has to get in. Right. The guys are going to have to step up, which is very hard to do over a long period of time. We saw that with, you know, with our captain with ovi, if he was out for a couple games, you know, we could make do. We could find a way to spread out the, the contributions, but over a long period of time is very tough in the NHL. Barkey, a guy I respect a ton. Very hard to play against. Chucky, great, obviously phenomenal player. I played with his dad back in St. Louis back in the day. It's going to be, it's going to be tough for sure. But if anyone can do it, it's them. I mean, they're, they're just built for a next man up, man up mentality. You watch them in the playoffs. Every player sacrifices and does the things that are necessary for the team to win, not necessarily for them to get their cookies. So it's, it's a team that's, that's built to make another run at it. The injuries are definitely going to hurt, and if they can find a way to recover from that, they can find some of these young guys to step up into these larger roles. I think they're going to be right there in the postseason. And who knows with, you know how people have been coming back from, from these knee surgeries lately. If Barkov gets back in, when Chucky gets in, he's going to be phenomenal. So it's going to be fun to watch, fun to tag along.

[A]

I don't know how you and Marc she get along or not. Didn't mention his name. He's back down there. Obviously that's a huge trade. I like it. Any rivals that you have to carrying into TV I think is a good thing, not a bad thing. We have about 35 seconds here, but we have to ask. Go ahead, Todd.

[D]

Yeah, TJ Quick here. Connor McDavid signed a two year 12 and a half million per extension with the Oilers. A lot of people saying, hey, crazy, this guy who is so talented left this much money on the table. What are your thoughts on this? And does this ultimately just kind of set up, hey, if he doesn't get it done in Edmonton, here in the next couple years, then he is definitely gone.

[F]

Yeah, I'll start it up with as a teammate, if I, if I was Connor McDavid's teammate and I saw that, that's what he signed. I'm running through a brick wall every night and I'm saying this guy's making a sacrifice. Now I got to make my sacrifice. I'm getting paid probably what I deserve. He is not. He's taken a pay cut so that we can win. Let's go do it. So I think it's, it's a, you know, a charismatic thing to do. It's what a leader should do. I don't think he has anything to prove to anyone as, as someone that went against them. I think he's the best player in the world and he clearly wants to win a cup.

[A]

Yes, he does. He needs to, doesn't he? We'll talk about that later. Ladies and gentlemen, new new ESPN NHL analyst Stanley cup champion American hero T.J. oshi. We appreciate you. He's got the whole. Oh yeah.

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[E]

You gotta go deep, baby.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

How, how many years have you been doing that, you think?

[E]

Since I was 9 and I just turned 73 a couple days ago.

[A]

Happy birthday. He had a birthday game too, you know. Obviously. How'd you golf too? Did you play golf, Dave, your birthday?

[E]

I sure did.

[A]

How'd you shoot?

[E]

I had a good day. We went down to Florida, Dave Moss put on a great event for a lot of good charities down there and we had a great time.

[A]

Were you playing scramble? You weren't playing your own ball?

[E]

We played our own ball one day, played scramble the next.

[A]

What'd you shoot? Did you shoot your birthday or your age?

[E]

No, I shot 82. I was a little tough on those greens down there, but we made every. We were 15 under in the scramble. Came in fourth.

[A]

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[E]

Oh no. These guys are really good.

[A]

Okay, that toxic tables here at Boston. Connor at Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet, Florida Panthers, back to back standing cup champ. Super, super fan, ladies and gentlemen. Darius J. Butlers here and joining us now live from Anatican, Ohio, ladies and gentlemen. He's a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion Roddy cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. hawk. Hawker Jags. Huge. You felt it. You, you like the Jags plus three and a half. You like the over as well. The Jacksonville Jaguars get a huge win against Kansas City Chiefs on Monday night football down there there at home. Maybe ignite an entire fan base to believe in what Liam Cohen and Stoner are doing down there even more. Primetime television. Our first chance really to see Trevor Lawrence and Travis Hunter do their thing. Brian Thomas Jr. Obviously with a huge catch here. What are your thoughts on what you saw last night and is the Chiefs still the Chiefs or What's going on? A.J.

[H]

Hawk, I mean I think the Chiefs can still become the Chiefs of who we know. So I think the Jags are legit though. And I got to give credit first to Devin Lloyd. Are you kidding me? That 99 yard pick six was just unbelievable. The fact that he's able to convert that for the score is huge. And what a great Play getting lost in line, coming off the center turn. Bam. Here we go. Like, what a beautiful situation. And D, but you mentioned it in the earlier, right? Who got this block at the end? Who was it? Yeah, like just a little bit right there. That's all he needed to get him in the end zone, which is a huge deal because who knows what happened if you give the offense the ball there in the two or three yard line. So this was awesome. Also give Travis Hunter the ball in space as much as you possibly can.

[A]

Yeah, let's get a couple of these. Let's get a couple of these. He majored in defense at Colorado, had a package of offense, so obviously he did some meeting and practice on the offensive side, but he was primarily a db, which we watched. He was unbelievable. Drifting out of coverage, making plays out of his zone, doing all the stuff that he did defensive. But on the offensive side, them having a couple plays for him to take advantage of, his athleticism and his burst. I mean, he's doing Tyree Kill type shit. That's Tyree Kill. Like when a guy's a yard away from you and you would not have been tackled in flag football, that is like Tyree Kill type stuff. Travis Hunter has that capability. And obviously on defense, we talked about it with Liam Cohen, and obviously to start the show, he's locked up on Travis Kelce on a third down. I mean, they obviously have a lot of faith. So he's majoring in offense while learning the defense. And they're. They said they have no real. Let's see how it goes. Basically is how they're doing it. No minute wasted throughout the day for meetings or individual drills or practice or whatever. How do you feel about it, AJ now that we're five weeks into this and they're four and one. This team's four in one right now down in Jacksonville.

[H]

Yeah, Jacksonville is. I mean, they're. They're letting us know that they, you know, they should. They feel like they're a legit contender with Travis Hunter. I guess I understand them feeling it out, but the guy is so special when the ball is in the air. I love watching him on offense. I love what he's doing on defense as well. But you see that play when they motion him out of the backfield and they're sitting there like, anytime a team wants to play his own, let's say they want to drop to the sticks to the first down mark, keep their eyes on the quarterback, and, you know, they'll let you throw the ball 2, 3 yards and they're going to break and make the tackle. Get off the field. Like, you're not with Travis Hunter. That's the thing. Like, and I think too future, the more times he gets the ball and he shows this, it kind of like it'll slow you down as a defense too sometimes. Like, hey man, like, I know if I'm the, if I'm the curl flat dropper there, right there. And I'm saying, hey, buddy, I need some help inside. Like, I'll be, I'll be outside. I'll try not to let him get back outside me, but I need you guys running inside out. I'm going to need some help here. So I think kind of will slow the defense down as well when they're trying to attack him.

[A]

Now he's. I don't want to add more, but if he was to be a returner, he'd be unbelievable. I mean, he's special. Yeah, there's been a couple guys where it's like, can he do his colleagues in the NFL like Caleb Williams? I think it was like, will Caleb be able to do the college stuff that he was able to do in the NFL when Everybody is running 4, 4, 4, 3, 4 2. You got all the all star. Travis Hunter's able to outrun NFL guys now. So we're understanding that he is going to be able to athletically exceed most people that he's on a field with. Which was a question like, hey, he was a Colorado. Is he big fish, great athlete in small pond. Now we're seeing it at the biggest stage. Is that a, Is that a. Is that a proper statement to describe how Travis Hunter is playing right now? B.A.

[E]

Yeah, I think, you know, Deion was the first. I had Patrick Peterson, who we put on offense and could run routes as good as anybody at great hands and did a little bit for us because we didn't have enough speed. And what I see him doing is just amazing.

[A]

Have you ever had a player where it was a package on defense as opposed to a package on offense? I think it's much more normal. Normal for a DB to have a package on offense as opposed to a wide receiver. Have a package on defense. Julian Edelman.

[C]

Yeah. And even then he wasn't really playing offense. He was more so like, hey, let's find a spot for this guy.

[A]

Special teams in safety, but he was listed as a wide receiver. Then once he became wide receiver, it was like, okay, he's not playing on the defensive side. Very rare that you see the major in offense and then package on defense. Feels like that's what they're doing right now, but who knows what they do in the future? Whenever he understands everything. How do you think they're viewing it for after talking to Liam?

[E]

Co. Yeah, I think for offensive guys, tackling is a big problem on defense, contact and going down, running somebody down. But I think Liam's doing a great job with it. They're. They're letting him grow into it instead of force feeding him. Just how much can you handle mentally? Because there's so much. When you talk about all that meeting time offensively, you're talking about five or six plays now. You're talking maybe 100 plays on offense, maybe eight or nine coverages, plus your red zone packages and all your special situational stuff. This kid's got to be really, really smart.

[A]

Yeah. And nobody talks about that because, you know, jocks are stupid, football players are stupid. It's like I. Punter had the best playbook. Long snapper probably had the best playbook. Legit. I think long snapper had the best one. Venatori had a pretty easy one too. Just kind of. Yeah, gotta do that one.

[D]

Make it.

[A]

Yeah. So punt and kickoff. I had like seven different options to pull from. You know, right, left, middle, or add on side. Let's go.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

On side. Right, left, middle. Okay.

[D]

You got your pass plays, you got your.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we got a couple fakes maybe put in there for the week of. But then we're done. You know, that is. I pretty much got that thing mastered. Maybe first day of looking at it, you know, maybe first date on the job, you guys and AJ Will always say, I don't need to hear numbers, just tell me where. That whole thing, the amount of intricacies in it all. That's why it's not as easy. Just pick up a rugby player and throw them in. Or anybody that plays another sport that's contact sport. Like, hey, you can put them in there. The checks, the natural things. It's like it feels like his football IQ is good and great. I would say elite at this level. It's like the books now. Like the book. Studying is what everybody has to catch up in the NFL level. Is that kind of normal for DB's wide receivers? Is that the separator between NFL and college? Obviously gotta be an elite athlete to play these positions. But the difference is all in between the years.

[B]

That's the separator. Every level you go up, every so little league, all right, you're the best guy on the field. You play both ways. Never come off the field. Then you go up to high school, okay, are you still that good? Some guys do. A lot of guys do still play both ways. Then you go to big time college, college ball, and it's like, oh, everybody is Mr. Ohio, Mr. New Jersey, Mr. Florida. So everybody's good now. So now it's about how much, how many advantages can you get, how many things can you anticipate, how do you communicate, how do you learn, how do you adjust, how do you respond, how do you work in the off season, all those different things. Then once you get to the pro level, it's the same thing because we, we always see it with guys getting drafted, you know, top five, top 10, first round, second round. It's a lot of based on their physical gifts and what they can be. But once you get to the next level, we saw it a little bit with Travis Hunter early. As good as he was, you can almost tell when he wasn't completely comfortable with the plays or didn't necessarily know where he was lining up or didn't know, okay, should I be at 12 or 14 yards to this route? And all those things matter on this level. So after listening to Liam talking how his time is spent, you almost have to be like a football savant at this point. Like space awareness on both sides of the field. You got to be able to communicate and be on the same page with everyone. I love the fact Liam said a couple weeks ago in the press conference, I think one of the receivers got hurt and they asked him, okay, are you going to put more X, more Z? And he's like, nah, he's, he's playing F. Like that's his position on offense. So that's good for him to know, regardless of the game plan, this is my position. I need to learn. And I'm sure it's similar on the defensive side of the ball. But for him to be able to do this physically, mentally, we know the athlete that he is. Like some of those things, like his ball skills, you knew that would translate. Like, we saw it on every level. His ball skills were unique. The speed we just saw him running stride for stride with Xavier Worthy, fastest guy we ever seen come through the combine. So all the physical things, he got it. It's just about mentally and then physically. Can he basically stay upright regardless of what position you're playing? Shit, you had how many surgeries at Punter?

[A]

4.

[B]

You know what I mean? It's a tough, long season, so that'll probably be his biggest challenge.

[A]

Just knees, knees, knees, knees. For me. Boy, you know, I hope science figures out the knees. AJ does as well. We are both limpers after long walking because we have no cartilage in there. It's supposed to make life a little bit easier. Here's some stats for Travis Hunter last night. Talk about being in shape. I believe Hembo sent these. Over 35 offensive snaps. He had 19 in the slot. 14 outside, one tight end, 19 routes, three receptions on three targets. Targets 64 yards, including a 17 yards after catch which we saw electrify. 25 defensive snaps, all outside corner. He traveled 1508 and a half yards per NFL Next Gen stats. Only player with 1500 plus in multiple games this season. So he's obviously continuing the trend from what he did to Colorado. Colorado was like 110 plays a game or something like that. And it was average. It was out. Yeah. And everybody's like, can you do that in an NFL season? It's like, well, they're starting right now and they're just at the beginning of this. So let's go to one of our favorite segments of the week. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for BS or no BS with BA and the first one here is about Travis Hunter. Ladies and gentlemen, BS or no BS is when BA Gives us whether or not a statement of fact is bullshit or no bullshit. Let's get to the first one here. It's about Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter should play both ways, no question asked. Now there's certainly somebody that said this somewhere, so we didn't want to give the proper credit to the quote because it's certainly coming from somewhere. Travis Hunter should play both ways, no questions asked. Is that BS or no BS at this point?

[E]

BA that is definitely no bullshit.

[A]

Okay?

[E]

It's just, how much more can he play? I mean, just don't overload him because if you're thinking in the National Football League, you're playing too slow.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

All right.

[E]

If you got to think you're. You're losing, you're losing. So keep it really simple for him where he can just use all that God given talent and play so fast.

[A]

Okay, so you're thinking that's no bs. D. Butts, do you agree at this point too, after what you were saying yesterday?

[B]

Yesterday, I didn't agree today. After, watch them in prime time. Like, it's like, yeah, you. You get him on the field as much as he can handle. He is an ultimate chess piece that we haven't seen. Let him do what the hell he wants to do.

[A]

AJ Final thoughts on this being no BS we're letting them do. Are we going to change, change this Answer in four or five weeks as the season continues or is this just in the moment? Answer, A.J.

[H]

No, I, I'm, I agree. This is, this is no BS Because I, I like what Deepak said. Liam saying he has a position on offense. He knows like this is your role. You study this, you know, first you learn this inside out and then you will slowly start to learn what everybody else around you is doing.

[D]

Ba how difficult do you think it is for Liam though? As like you being an offensive guy, like knowing, hey, he can help us out on both sides of the ball but like I want him on offense for the majority of the game because we've, we've seen it early. There are only a handful of guys in the NFL who are legitimate threats to score every time they touch the ball and he's one of them. Like so how difficult is that in the back of your head when you are an offensive guy? It's like, well, you know what, maybe let's not send him out there on defense this possession because I want him fresh on offense.

[E]

Yeah. The kid is in such fabulous shots, you know, I don't think stamina is a problem. He's obviously shown that at Colorado he played 150 plays in one game.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

And so it's more mental. And as long as he doesn't slow down mentally, I'm using him as much as I possibly can. Keep him at one. Don't ask him to learn all three wide receiver positions. That's two other guys jobs. You learn your job on offense and like Liam said, running routes. But reading coverage. When you start adjusting routes in college, you, you don't adjust that much. Either take the middle or you break in. It's that simple. But he's learning so much how to run routes and be effective at it and like you said earlier, get the damn thing to him quick, let him run with it.

[A]

And the more he knows, the better he knows it, the more confident he is, which is, yeah, he's playing faster. He feels like he's not lining up. He's not asking people where to go. So I think he probably wants to learn this as much as possible, but it only happens as it happens, you know, and his vibes always being immaculate through all this.

[E]

This.

[A]

He's a good one, Travis. You're a good one, bro. Before we get to the next BS or no bs, there's a breaking news in the AFC North. What? The Bengals?

[D]

Oh no.

[A]

After getting their asses absolutely smacked the last couple weeks without Joe Flacco. I'm sorry. Without Joe Burrow are trading for the other Joe Cool. What? Joe Flacco rap sheet and Tom Pellacero were on it. They go from cool Joe to the coolest Joe. They go from Burrow with an eau x to Flacco with a John accent. Ty Schmidt, you are seemingly flabbergasted by this move. Why are you reacting the way that you were reacting?

[D]

Because the packers play the Bengals this week. Joe Flacco just beat him a couple weeks ago at the Browns. He's going to come back in, beat him again. Joe Flacco is gonna beat the Packers. I was really looking forward to, you know, getting. Getting a bite out of the Jake Browning apple.

[A]

So we're about those DBs for the Packers. Yeah.

[D]

Now we got Joe Flacco comes back to cat.

[A]

So on that note, Mike. Mike Tomlin said this about the Pittsburgh Steelers a couple years ago when Anthony Richardson was playing and Joe Flacco was the backup. Mike Tomlin told the Pittsburgh Steelers, defense, we do not hurt Anthony Richardson, okay? We do not want that 6 foot 6 thing walking onto this field and playing against us. Now, inevitably, Joe Flacco did make an appearance in that particular game. I think people that have been around ball respect Joe Flacco, okay? So I think that's why Ty right there goes, oh, no. Joe Floyd Flacco can do it.

[C]

Jake Browning apple.

[A]

And he's got Jamar. Yeah, I wanted all Jamar Chase still there. Yeah.

[D]

T. Higgins is healthy.

[A]

Joe Flacco can still.

[D]

He's going to come in. He said, I beat these guys a couple weeks ago. I know exactly what we got to do. Yeah, he probably is.

[A]

AJ how is Ohio going to react to the Flacco move from one part of the state to the other?

[H]

I think Ohio people are going to be very happy about this. I've been. I live live in Bengals country pretty much. There's definitely Browns fans as well, but a lot of people have been saying, Jameis, Andy Dalton, somebody. Like, they got to bring somebody in here to Cincinnati. I feel like Flacco, and maybe I did overlook him at first, but maybe. Maybe he is the answer. He'll get the ball. He'll get the ball to those superstars, though. I promise you that. He'll push the ball to them.

[A]

Is he the ruler of the jungle this week, too?

[D]

Please, no. Oh, if he has, then the packers might. Might as well not even play this. I mean, this is just bad, bad news. It's just bad is not what I needed today.

[A]

Do you think just in the history of sports media, do you think that the way espn, because our show is currently on espn would react to a starting quarterback trade within a division will go the way we just did it right there? Do you think there 39 year old.

[C]

Quarterback who's playing backup.

[A]

Oh no, he's going to beat the practice packers are best in your football weekend.

[E]

Yeah, that's got to be one of the stats guys. Has anybody started for two different teams and beat the same team in the same year?

[D]

Yeah. We'll see you Sunday, coach. It'll be the first time and the last time it's ever happened.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about this actually because I think there is a BS or no BS about the age of quarterbacks. So let's, let's get to the age of quarterbacks. One, because Joe Flacco obviously 39 years old, still playing and then these, these guys that are getting like their mid prime resurgencies is because the conversation is basically maybe there aren't enough talented young quarterbacks in the NFL. So that statement has been made on a plenty of occasion, which is why these guys get a second shot at it. There aren't enough talented young QBs in the NFL. Quarterback whisper BA is that BS or is that no BS?

[E]

I think it's tall. Total bullshit.

[A]

Oh really?

[E]

When you look at the kids, I call them kids 26 and under. This is the future of the league and the league is in great hands. I mean just look at what they're doing. Drake May, Caleb, Jaden Daniels, on and on. There's like eight or nine of them and it is Jordan Love. I mean they're all, every team is in good hands with these young guys and I think it's just bright, bright future especially for offensive football.

[A]

Okay, so these guys like Joe Flacco are still getting opportunities or maybe these guys, older quarterbacks that are getting ops. That's always the way it's been around the league. Or are we just putting more spotlight on now like Joe Flacco getting another opportunity to be a starting quarterback. That's not an indictment on the other options that are out there at a younger age. It's just Joe Flacco is a guy that can still play good ball somewhere.

[E]

Yeah, I mean Jake Browning, he, he's had some really good games for the Bengals and I think he's just had some really shitty ones lately. And they had enough. So they, they turned to door number two and there's Joe. I would have guessed Jamis or somebody else, too, but I'm excited to see Joe throw to those guys.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

I mean, the speed and he's still one of the best deep ball throwers in the league.

[A]

I think Zach Taylor's probably pretty pumped up about it as well. He's about sick and tired of watching Jake Browning sit on the sideline after his third interception. Yeah, and Zach Taylor's thinking to himself, everybody thinks I'm a big dumb dipshit.

[B]

You think Zach Taylor's punk about Joe Flock? I think he's pulling about it. When this deal came, did you see.

[A]

The way packers fans just reacted? D But I'm.

[B]

I'm just asking the question.

[A]

What. What do you think? What do you think?

[B]

I mean, look, I like Joe. I love Joe.

[G]

Former cult.

[B]

Is that right Footstep. He did some good things for us. And I guess this is a situation where I guess you know what you're gonna get. You know, you expect Joe Burrow to come back maybe at the end of the year. Maybe some people expected the other Browns quarterback, Shador Sanders. It may be, but you don't know what you're going to get. It's a rookie. At least you can see what you got there. It may even Russ. So this is. This is a head scratcher. But we'll see. T Ty obviously feels a certain way about it. So maybe I'm wrong and maybe we do get the new QB bump, at least for this week. But we know we. We know the conversation we're going to be having in about two weeks.

[A]

Somebody just dropped into my ear with a yinzer accent. Let's go to hammer apt down the AFC North's cooking Big quarterback shuffle in the AFC north tone. This sucks.

[I]

And D Butts is right. He's eventually going to be right. But I had the same reaction that Ty had because I don't think Joe's going to play this week. I don't think you get traded on a Tuesday and play on Sunday against the Packers. I think you get traded on Tuesday, you learn the offense for a week, and then you beat the Steelers on Thursday night football home. Like that's the quarterback bump game. That's the game you win, okay? And then you go off and you suck the rest of the season. So I think Ty's okay. I think the Steelers are screwed.

[A]

So listen, this is how our show is reacting to Joe Flacco getting traded. By the way, a sixth rounder and a fifth rounder are getting flopped in the trade as well. There's a little bit more details. We got Ty from the packers going, oh no, Flacco's about to beat us. And then you got the Steelers next week going, he's not actually he's going to beat us. I mean there is, there's fear around the NFL with Joe Flacco getting traded and hey, maybe he does another magical mid season run with a team to the playoffs. Con man.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. No matter what, you know, whether they're winning or losing. We know T. Higgins and Jamar Chase are about to have some 80 yard touchdown opportunities. Ball going through the air the whole time, but kind of awesome for the Browns. Like if you look at that young quarterbacks, you know, conversation all of a sudden, Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders, you got to think clear even feels great about both of them if they're comfortable moving on from Flacco. Dylan Gabriel, I believe played, you know, turnover free football in his first game and his first game happened to be looked the part.

[A]

He did, yeah.

[E]

I thought he looked fantastic against that defense.

[A]

I mean and the size obviously was talked about because it had to be talked about because it was one of the only things that was like a big time knock. Because if you looked at any of his college tape against damn near everybody, he is very efficient in a very accurate quarterback. I think people talk about his leadership and how people like him. So like the only knock was hey, he's 5 11. We got to talk about that because most of these quarterbacks, big tall guys, it's not easy. He looked very comfortable as an NFL quarterback and he was spinning it all over the place. Do you think Cleveland with this move is saying we're comfortable with what we have here and we're going to continue?

[E]

I don't think there's any doubt about it. Yeah, they really like what they saw and they obviously feel like Shador's ready to go too.

[A]

That's fascinating, Ken. Kenny Pickett out of town. Right. Joe Flacco out of town. Now it's just the two rookies basically in that quarterback room that we've chat chatted about since the off season. Then a lot of people say, hey, this is how it's going to go. I'm sure Dan Orlovsky's taking a full oh yeah, if you were going to trade both guys, why aren't we starting the rookies? And I don't even know if he's allowed to tweet that.

[D]

He'll probably post a timestamp from NFL Live.

[A]

And when he said, hey listen, I'm not allowed to tweet this. I could certainly go make something happen to be able to tweet this, but I'm just going to sit here and be told no and just not do anything about it. But he basically said, if we're inevitably going to get to the rookies, why are we even doing the song and dance? I think they thought they were going to win with Flacco, like I thought. I think they thought that they were going to be able to do what they did a few years ago, have success, and then there would be some perfect time to hand it over to a rookie, whichever one. Now they like Dylan Gabriel more. They drafted him in the third round as opposed to the fifth round. I think that was their envision. That was what they were hoping for. They obviously get to Dylan Gabriel at the time. They get to him, he looks the part, and then they decide to pull the trigger and move on. How do you think it goes in that building? What do you think the thoughts are over there? Because the defense, you can win with.

[B]

That defense every week.

[A]

Every week. Every week in the playoffs too. Yeah, every week in the regular season and every week in the playoffs you can win with that defense. So the offense just needs to be in. Stefanski, what offensive guru. So he's at the point now where both these rookies, he thinks he's going to be able to win with, I think that's a good thing for the Cleveland Browns.

[B]

And then DeShawn Watson, I don't know who mentioned it earlier in the week, but he will be healthy at some point during this season. So we'll see what happens there. He's still, you know, fairly young. We'll see what happens when he's healthy. But yeah, you got to feel pretty confident about Dylan Gabriel, number one, because this, this team, if you can go out there and score, let's say 21, 24 points a game, you got to change chance to win every week with this defense and how they play ball on that side of it. And then you got to be comfortable with Shador, his progression and where he is to be able. Because when you have a backup, you got to be ready for this guy to go in and play and, and drive the ship as well. So I'm interested to see how this goes. Everybody kind of saw it playing out this way. Start the season with the vet, Flacco, move on to the rookies because next year they have the multiple first round picks that they could possibly move up and draft the quarterback as well, depending on how things shake out with the guy that has 230 million guaranteed. So this be interesting. This is, you know, Cleveland being Cleveland.

[A]

On that note, I think that guy got the $230 million flu when it comes to on field stuff. I'm not getting into off field stuff. On field stuff. Feels like that guy's trying not to ruin life, you know, because he has a. The biggest bag in the history of the NFL. That whole thing did not work at all, which has put them into the position that. That they're currently in and not to be forgotten in the entire story. Bailey, zip on the ball. Zappy. Also on the Cleveland.

[D]

Here we go.

[H]

Oh, man.

[A]

Yeah, they got. They got talent over there.

[C]

They feel real good, though.

[A]

They got talent over there. I just wish that defense would have.

[E]

Showed up in the last three minutes.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you're talking about Carson Wentz.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't think Carson Wentz just figured them out. It took him 57 minutes maybe to figure out what was going on defensive side. What's the laugh? What's the laugh?

[E]

We're paying the defensive lineman a lot of money.

[A]

They need to.

[E]

Carson went to need to be on his ass.

[A]

That's hilarious. We talked about him talking about Gannon earlier. You heard him. Just old school right there, too. These guys getting how much money can't make a. What are we paying you for? 5th overall pick? What are you even here for?

[E]

We got a rookie quarterback who's got.

[A]

The lead, and we can't close the.

[E]

Game with this defense.

[A]

How do you feel about the Browns? I mean, the AFC north as a whole has become.

[E]

I want to see that defense be done dominant. When they are dominant, I think they can win a rookie quarterback because they got a hell of a running back. They got enough talent around them, good offensive line. So, yeah, but that defense got to be dominant.

[A]

Stefanski, how do you guys view him?

[E]

I don't know how he's kept his job this long.

[A]

That's exactly. Most coaches view that way. But I think the reason why he's kept his job this long is because I think there's alleged kind of understanding Haslam's the one that made the deal because, remember, the Cleveland Browns were out of the running. It was going to be Atlanta or New Orleans he was going to get traded to. And then all of a sudden, out of the clouds. If the story goes the way we've been kind of told it or followed, they came in with the $230 million guarantee. Hey, here's this. The biggest offer fully guaranteed to do this and then all of a sudden, wait a minute, we will go to Cleveland if that's what's happening. He ends up in Cleveland. So I think a lot of people in the media have just said, well, that ownership decision has kind of slowed down Andrew Barry and Stefanski's ability to develop team and coach team. Now they've moved on from Baker. Obviously, Baker's had the success that he's had and everything like that, but I think everybody in the media's eyes just kind of give him a pass because the ownership decided to tie up the largest percentage in the history of a salary cap and kind of hamstring the entire team. Coaches, though, do they see it that way or is this.

[E]

No coaches all about winning, man. It's all wins and losses. You'd be the nicest guy in the world. You're going out the door. But I think maybe they see that continuity does matter because they went through so many people so fast in the Browns history that they are trying to copy the Steelers a little bit. And hey, let's keep our guys, let's keep our coaches, let's keep some continuity and we'll put it together.

[A]

All right, let's go to and stay in the AFC north with another BS or no bsba. Somebody said it and it was a lot of people. The Ravens are in a lot of trouble. Okay. That's just the quote. Is that B.S. or no BSBA?

[E]

That's no B.S. i just can't imagine the Ravens giving up 44 points at home. I mean, having gone through the dog fights that we've had in that stadium, it's embarrassing. It really is for that defense to play like that. But I don't think. I still think Baltimore is going to make the playoffs.

[A]

Hold on. So there's still the odds on favorite to win the AFC north right now too.

[E]

The. Well, they, you know, they got the Rams if they pull this one out with all the injuries. They do have a ton of injuries now. They can pull off one at home against the the Rams, they get the bye week, they get guys back and then they hit their. Their in division schedule, which isn't that hard on paper. So I think they can still pull it out.

[A]

You got hope for the Ravens still?

[E]

I really do. Yeah.

[A]

The defense has been a massive question mark. Not just this season. Last year too. The first 10 weeks, I believe the qu defense was a massive, massive question mark. Then they were able to figure it out. What are they not doing? Just everything because we watched some of the low lights and it's like, wow, this team sucks. They're playing defense like a team that stinks. Like, they don't look like the Baltimore Ravens at all. To your point.

[E]

They can't stop the run, obviously. They missed the Duke men, and that's. That's a huge loss. But then Marlin's out, Hamilton's out. Say, okay, now they're throwing it on. I mean, they're all out, so hopefully they get them all.

[C]

Humphrey's public academy number.

[A]

You got a terrible stat here. Yeah. Because he's doing his podcast, but he was bummed out, which I appreciate. Himbo, center versus stat that people are not going to want to hear. Hey, butter, close your ears and eyes. You too, Stavy. Ravens defense. How bad is it? Hembo's writing this entire thing. We did not edit any of this. Josh Allen this season. MVP betting favorite. Currently 12. 17 pass yards, nine touchdowns, two interceptions, eight sacks, 72.1 QBR. Taking on the Ravens this year, 1312 yards, yards, 13 touchdowns, one interception, six sacks, 73.2 QBR. You play like an MVP. Literally. The betting favorite, MVP is what they're averaging, giving up. Okay, so if you played the Ravens every single week and you were a quarterback, odds on betting favorite right now, you would be to win the mvp. That's not good.

[D]

No, it's not.

[A]

That's not.

[H]

That's not Raven.

[A]

That's not Baltimore.

[E]

No.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There's a crazy stat, actually, with it not being Baltimore. I saw it just on the Internet earlier in 2000 when it was, you know, Baltimore. Baltimore.

[B]

Ray Lewis.

[C]

Oh, you did?

[B]

Y.

[C]

Okay. But they. They gave up, like, 140 points in that season. And through five weeks, the Ravens have given up, like, 172 points. Yeah, there it is.

[A]

Jeez, Louis, that's absurd. There's a lot of those stats happening. Five for. Yeah, it's early in the season.

[B]

Same.

[A]

Yeah, it's not. And I think that's why Baltimore Ravens fans have just. They've, like, almost. Almost comically given up because they're like, what is this? Yeah. You know, like, I think they're kind of blindsided. Almost like Chris Jones was. I'm not. I think Chris Jones was just. What the.

[H]

He thought he was down. He thought he was down.

[A]

I think now that when that guy's running by him and he just kind of like watching him, that's not a good look at all. But I do think Chris Jones was kind of hypnotized by the whole thing. Like, what? What? What. What is it? The guy just fell Twice. I saw him fall two times. He's getting crushed for good reason. And I assume Chris Jones feels terrible. If he was to talk about it after watching film, he would probably say, this is disgusting. But it's not a good look. It's certainly not a good look.

[B]

Every D lineman you've been around, you've been around some great ones, hall of Famers. When you see a quarterback on the.

[A]

Ground, what, Dive, steal, dive, that one steal.

[B]

Just get a touch. You want a sack, a half a sack. So it's no excuse for this. And Chris Jones is obviously a great player. He's been a great player for a long, long time. I haven't seen this. This is the. I remember the first. Was it the first week when they played the Chargers and he went inside and Herbert broke the edge and basically sealed the game slot. And you saw Drew Tranquil, I believe, kind of going after him. And I don't know what exactly that conversation was. And even earlier in this game down the stretch, he did the same inside move and Trevor Lawrence scrambled to the outside. So I would assume that Spags probably have a some tough conversations in front of the unit, knowing him and how he operates. Probably Andy Reid the same way. Because you go as that guy goes, you know, on the defensive side of the ball, and it's been that way for a long time.

[A]

He's been a game record for a long time down there. We have another move, another signing. We were just talking about this defense. Cj, GJ will be joining the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, here we go. Congratulations. Cj. Gj, okay. He's with the Houston Texans earlier in the year, gets cut. We hear nothing about it. We thought we'd hear a story. Nothing. Nothing really came out. Just kind of. CJ, GJ's gone now. He was just playing. He was starter for him. Now he's gone. Well, what happened?

[D]

He talked to Baker, pissed him off, and then they came back and won. So we cut him.

[A]

Yeah, I don't like it. So. Okay. Well, didn't you know that was going to happen when you were signing CJ in the scouting report? Did it not say, hey, cj, gj gonna stir it up a little bit? Is that good for Baltimore? I mean, we're talking about.

[E]

They might need. Need that personality legit. Bring a little swagger in there, bring a little talk. And let's get back to Ravens football.

[A]

Aj how do you feel? But I see you nodding yes along with this story.

[H]

Yeah, I mean, like you said, there's no financial impact. He's Getting paid by the Texans. They got to do something to wake him up. You got to do something to get some kind of juice, bring some kind of energy. And we know cj, gj, he's not going to go in there and just be a. What do you call it, like whatever, a wallflower and hang out. He's gonna go out there and let his presence be known. So maybe that's what they need back.

[A]

So the Jacksonville Jaguars, you know, made Chris Jones quit because they're relentless. They're 4 and 1. They're tied for a lead in the AFC. Houston Texans move on from CJ, GJ, blow out two teams in a row. Okay, Houston Texans all of a sudden juggernaut yet again. Tennessee Titans. Don't look now. They just caused another team to have the worst loss in the history of sports is what people are saying. Including a doopty doody wooty wooty kicking of a ball. Touchdown. That's out of a movie. You know, that doesn't normally happen. Player dropping a ball. I might cause coach punch a guy. And he did. And how they're going to talk about it. And then you talk about the last team in the AFC south, the final BS or no bs. This is coming from the greatest division in all of the NFL right now. Colts are the best team in the NFL. Is that BS or no BS?

[E]

BA that is no BS. When you look at port plus 74, I mean, they're one player away from five and oh yeah, then the differential would be higher. I mean, Detroit is close. They're a plus 62. And I, you know, that would be a great game right now. Detroit indeed. Be a hell of a game right now.

[A]

Maybe it'll happen later in the year. Wow. I like the fact that you're saying the Colts are the best team in the NFL. It seems like a lot more people are coming around to this conversation because all of a sudden we're after week five, we have no more undefeateds. We only have teams that have one blemish on them. Oh, how many of them? Oh, three in the entire afc. Remember how packed out the AFC is? Remember how great every team is going into the season? The Colts have no chance. What are we talking about? They're fans. I don't know if they're fans. Actually, the people that are active representing the Colts on the Internet did an Athletic Poll. 94% negative optimism coming into the season. They got Danny Dimes starting there. Scott sucks, has sucked, always will suck. And all of a sudden what we got, we got a Big, strong, fast team. Like, our team is big. Our team is strong and our team is fast. That is. That is just. That moves, that travels, that wins games. And we got a quarterback that can make the throw, that is going to have to make the throw. He. He doesn't have bad balls like, you watch him play the game. We're there watching every single snap, literally. Tyler Warren, obviously an incredible, incredible weapon. Always in his eyesight, always in his vision, which is good. But every throw that he makes is a good throw. And it's like even his incompletions are either good decisions or good throwaways or, you know, in an area that could have definitely been caught. It was just dropped. He's not like missing guys. There's not a bad decision coming. It's like everything he's doing is right at the position that we need it to be. But it's not just him. He has ignited everybody else and elevated everything else that we have. The Colts are in a good position. I think we can win playoff games, too, with the way we're built right now.

[E]

Oh, there's no doubt. Just got to stay healthy. I mean, a big thing for all these teams right now. It's just October. There's a long way to go, and staying healthy is huge. That offensive line, they keep them together. Danny Dimes, Indiana Jones is going to be really good.

[A]

I like that. Indiana Jones, obviously, an absolute dog. Aj, your thoughts on this cold scene, because you've even come around, which he was not about for a long time. AJ Used to laugh. No, the Colts. Oh, yeah. Every week. Colts will be getting.

[H]

I think I wasn't the only one. I was not the only one. There's been some times, and even, you know, when things weren't as great, people I. Chris Bow's got to be feeling pretty good right now, doesn't he? I mean, people were killing him last year. We know that. But I'm with you. And it starts up front, like BA Mentioned it. Like, watch a lot of those highlights and clips. Like, he's throwing from nice clean pocket usually. And if he does get flushed, we know that he is athletic enough to move around and keep his eyes downfield and find these great targets. Like having Tyler Warren. I mean, come on now. That guy is such a freak. But you're right, Pat. It builds everyone else, everyone else around him up. Like, imagine some of those guys that have been there for. For a little while on offense thinking like, wow, I can really put up some numbers. We can be an explosive offense and they've They've truly shown that through, what, five weeks now.

[A]

Quentin Nelson has to be so happy. You know those offensive linemen that have been through it here? Been through it?

[D]

Yes.

[H]

Big time.

[A]

Being through a lot. Hey, go out there hand to hand combat, run your face into somebody for who? New quarterback. Okay. Does that guy even know the place? No, but you got a. Is this what my NFL career is going to be like? When Nelson drafted top 10 as guard and all it has been is just like a turnover of quarterbacks. New system, new quarterback, new bummer, new disappointment, new loss, new way of doing it. And then all of a sudden now he is a vocal leader on the team and they got a quarterback that can do everything that Shane Steichen wants to do. Yep. It's fun to watch. And then on defensive side of the ball, Lou Annarumo. I got to talk to Carly Ursay. I think I talked about this yesterday a good bit, but she's like, I chart the play calls for offense and defense. What she does, just gotta catch a rhythm, try to learn what it is, see what's going on. Because she's gonna have to hire people, she said, going forward. So I'd like to know what the hell's going on as opposed to not knowing what's going on. And she's like, lose defense. There's a lot more, like, there's a lot more options for the players. You can't just do that with any group. Right. Like we talked to Steve Spagnolo a couple years ago whenever they're going through their super bowl run and defense was carrying him. He's defense coordinator for the Chiefs. He's a goat. He'll be in the hall of Fame. All three coordinators for the Chiefs will go in the hall of Fame. Defense coordinator certainly would do that. And he said, normally you have like one or two guys that are kind of like, I guess on defense side, middle linebacker, a quarterback on the field. He said all 11 guys are like very high football IQ guys. So they can do a lot more. He can make a lot more check. You can change, I think coverages on the fly, you can change fronts. I think Lou Annarumo expects our guys to do that as soon as he got here. And we've invested in the pieces on the defensive side. So Danny Dimes a big storyline on the offense. Lou Annarumo coming in defense and the money we put in, seems like we got the right guys over there too. What is Lou's defense like and what does it mean whenever they say the AD checks and shit like that. Whenever you're an offensive coordinator looking at.

[E]

That type of defense, yeah, they're, they're very sound. I mean, and it's like debut always says 11 playing together. They're 11 playing together. But they added some good leadership. Bynum, some of those guys, great pickups for Chris Ballard. Just class guys who are extremely bright guys, but can still play the game and they're fun to watch.

[A]

What does that mean whenever they talk about the added elements of that.

[B]

The biggest advantage when having smart players that communicate is because as a defensive play caller, the only thing you have available to you is, you know, the personnel that's in the huddle, you know, the, the where the ball is on the field and then the field position. So your players, once they come out, once you get a formation, now the players, that's when the pros start to make those adjustments. Hey, alert 11. You know, that may be the gadget guy, the reverse guy. This is a speed guy. Hey, speed at three. And then you adjust whatever call is sent in by that defense so you become an extension of that defensive coordinator and you can almost massage that coverage or that play call. I'm sure AJ had to do this a ton to put your players in a better situation. So let's say we got a slot blitz on. For me, I'm a nickel blitz, but now we got Tyreek Hill in a position that's going to put, you know, AJ In a position to cover Tyreek. I look at AJ he'll look, he'll.

[A]

Look at me.

[H]

Taking that blitz from you. Deba.

[A]

Exactly, exactly.

[B]

Or he'll be the hey, dba. And that would just be an automatic switch. And we're not thinking if it's young players or maybe players that just kind of don't have it, then you kind of just say, hey, the coach called it. We're just going to play it. So that's when players can kind of bail their coaches out in a sense, like the coach is making a good call. But now as a player, it's our job to be pros as well, to find better answers because we got more information. So that's the biggest advantage, biggest difference. That's why Belichick was so good so many years, and he has certain states peoples, those defense, whether it was Will for, whether it was McCourty Chung, like those guys, obviously Brusky Mayo to make those extra communications post breaking the huddle. That kind of puts you in like, advantageous situations as a defender.

[A]

AJ so those play calls you've been Through a couple different defense coordinators at the NFL level and obviously the game change as well. Is he adding checks to. To you whenever he's handling those in there and is that, is that the similar to what. What the offense is doing as well? Like what are you hearing? We heard Chase Daniel.

[H]

He did. There's a lot of info he was.

[A]

Given a lot of info coming at a lot of time. I've never had that helmet, so I have no idea what's happening now.

[H]

Defense, helmet never really had that much. Yeah, yeah, but it was defense. It's different.

[A]

Yeah, but you're making obviously close right, close left. That's happening. And then all the other little discussions or decisions that are being made. It comes from a high football IQ group or is it a lot of like, like install that this is happening?

[H]

It's all of it. It's all the walkthroughs. Like I think when young players realize early on like they sometimes people view walk through and stuff as like a punishment. Oh, I got to get through this. Like no, man, we're doing this right now so we can pick it up. When we're doing this walk through pace when it's super slow, we're going through all the checks so we get out in the practice field. We don't look stupid when they run this against us and we want to make sure we have it all. So then we're ready in the game to do that all week. Leading up to the game. But Debuff but highlights it perfectly. Like players can cover up. Like, what do offenses want to do? They want to get matchups. So they're thinking, all right, say Tyreek Hill is in the slot. I'm supposed to carry this dude now because DBUT splits and now here we go. Let's check out of this. And you always can't do that. Like some teams say you got a new guy, inexperienced. You try to do that at the snap or right before the snap and you're both not on the same page. Boom. That's how you get guys running free. That shouldn't ever happen in the NFL. So the fact that you could do that and the more game reps you get at that, you gain. It builds your confidence too. Like you're like, hey man, like they can throw whatever they want at us on offense. We have answers to everything that they have that they're going to throw at us. And I think with Lou and Roman and great D coordinators, they give you that confidence to make those checks in game.

[A]

I guess so offensively we're only five games into Danny Dime. Shane, psyching experience. He's already checking and seeing everything. And defensively, we're only five games into the Lou Anne Rumo defense. Yeah. Boys, is a new sheriff back in town. Okay, that is all everybody needs to know. But also congrats to the boys. They've had to work really hard. This has been a shite show a little bit here in Indianapolis, so them being able to turn around is much better than where we were beforehand. I appreciate you boys breaking down that defense. Now let's break down a sport that's also having massive moments that maybe we don't all get to follow along with because NFL football is happening, you know, which we can't be doing that Thursday nights and Monday night. But ladies and gentlemen, baseball is in the middle of their playoffs and it has been spectacular. Ty, what did we miss?

[D]

Yeah, it has been spectacular. Obviously tough when you have an unbelievable Monday Night Football game like that. But two great playoff baseball games last night start in the NLDS with the Phillies and the Dodgers pitching duel all the way until the 7th. And this is when you just know it's not your nuts night. Kike Hernandez breaks his bat, but still TE Oscar Hernandez beats the throw. And the Dodgers go up one nothing. And then Will Smith put a. Put a quarter in the merry go round. He loops one into left center. Dodgers score two more runs to go up three nothing. And then Shohei to top it off, lines one up the middle. And the Dodgers score another run to take a 4 nothing lead. And then we're gonna go to the bottom of the ninth. Nick Castellanos, four nothing, loops one into left field, scores two runs for the Phillies. Four two. They got a little bit of life here. A little bit of life or four three. Excuse me. So they're. They're down one run. Bryson Stott with no outs, tries to bunt Casianos over in the Cardinals, saying you cannot make really any out at third base in this situation. Trey Turner lines one up the middle and boy does Freddie Freeman and save Tommy Edmonds ass. He scoops the the ball there. And that is a final. The Dodgers go on to win 43 and take a 20 lead over the Phillies. Just. That was an unbelievable game. Like I said, it was a pitching duel throughout. But you know, when. When it's. The Dodgers are inevitable, unfortunately, that's kind of just the way it goes. And then in the nl, we just said the other day, the. The brewers kind of nickel and dime people, they just hit single and singles. And singles and score runs. Not last night. Shoto Imanaga in the bottom of the first inning. Andrew Vaugh. I'm pretty sure this may have hit the International Space Station or the Hubble Telescope. He hits this so high. So high. Three run homer to tie the game. And electric environment there. And then in the bottom of the third boot.

[A]

Jeez.

[D]

Wilson Contreras, he may have hit this ball a thousand, thousand feet. I mean, that was just a mistake by Imanaga. The brewers take a 43 lead. And then lastly, we'll move on to the bottom of the third. Jackson Churio. He's only 21 years old. This guy is a postseason phenom. Almost gets robbed. Just kidding. That is way out. 3 run Homer to center. And that's all the brewers would need. They win 73 over the Cubs and take a 20 lead over the Cubs.

[A]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, ladies, gentlemen. Is the man who manages that brewers team that hit ding dong after ding dong last night. I believe he was named Coach of the Year for baseball. He also won into the Irish American Baseball hall of Fame. Goat, ladies and gentlemen, living legend in the baseball world. Manager for the Brewers, Pat Murphy. Slantia, Coach. How you doing?

[J]

Great, thanks.

[A]

Thank you for joining us. Big night last night for the boys. Hey, I got a chance to meet a couple of your guys. Miz and McGill at the home Run Derby. Their vibes were immaculate. I think that's a big part of your team. Best record in baseball this year. The vibes in the locker room, the clubhouse. Clubhouse. Great. With this team. Is this a very tight team? And can you feel that?

[J]

Yeah, it's a great bunch of guys. You know, nobody expected them. Nobody predicted us to be over.500. You know, we didn't sign a lot of free agents. Agents. We didn't sign any really, but, you know, we didn't do a lot of the trade deadline. People just didn't expect us to be in this position. But it's because of the guys in the room. They care about each other. It sounds corny, but it's real. And we have a team.

[A]

Tell me.

[J]

Still have a lot of work to do.

[A]

Tell me about Miz a little bit. Okay. Because obviously last night I think he had like 30 pitches over 100 miles an hour. I forget what it was. It was. It was an astronomical number. It was the most amount of pitches over 100 miles an hour in an outing in forever or something like that. The records now with how fast guys are throwing the ball are seemingly being broken. Every single night in baseball, which I think is a good thing. But whenever I got to see him, he was at the All Star break, and there was a lot of people pissed off that he was an All Star because he only had five starts or whatever it was. And his mindset was he didn't care. I'm at the All Star Game, I don't really care at all. It was an incredible, like, old school type, leadership type vibe from him. Whenever he's talking about ball. What have you seen from him in his young career? And 104, whatever.

[D]

I think 104.8. Let's call it 105.

[A]

105. Is he getting. Is he only going to throw fat? Are we going to get 110 from this guy at some point? Or what do we see from him, and what are your thoughts on him and his young career thus far?

[J]

Well, Pat, he gets a lot of attention as a young player, and that's a blessing and a curse. You know, he's done some really good things for us. The. The miles per hour thing in the baseball world, it's. It's not as important as we make it out to be. It's just. It's kind of a enigma that people kind of say, wow, you know, like, 103, 104. These players can time up anything if they know it's coming. But when they haven't seen a guy and they haven't seen his delivery, that type of thing, it can be thing. But the thing, we got to have Miz do his throw strikes. He's got a mature. He's a great kid. We call him Forrest Gump. You know, he's kind of doesn't know what's happening to himself. He's got a lot to learn. He did a great job for us last night. He's been through the ups and downs. He gets a lot of attention because of that miles per hour thing. And there's a lot more to our team than Miz. No disrespect to him at all, but even he's uncomfortable with it, I think.

[A]

Agreed. But I'll tell you what you see 104, pawn 8. It's hard not to go. Holy. That's. That is really fair. It's hard not to. You know, it's hard not to do that. But it seems like your team, everybody was pawning off kind of credit to everybody else, which is good culture, obviously. Go ahead, A.J.

[H]

Yeah, coach. Speaking of that culture, you. You as a coach, as a manager, we. We talk about coaches all the time. In the NFL that seem like, hey, like they're on the verge of a heart attack at all times because there's so much pressure on them. And winning is almost a relief and not fun. Like, how are you able? You look like you're having fun. It definitely feels like. I think it trickles down through your team. Have you always been that type of manager, or was there ever a time you weren't?

[J]

Well, I mean, you grow. You're all under construction, right? You're always growing. You're always changing. People who know me close know that I like to have a good time. I like to mess around. It's the only way I can exist as a manager. I come off real intense and real, you know, whatever. But we're not all that important, to be honest with you. You know, you got a good group, and you set the standards high and the right players stand for the right stuff. You got a chance to have a good team. And our game, it's kind of complex. I'm a football person by nature, and I think that kind of helps you in our game once in a while, but not too much, but. But it helps you. But, yeah, I mean, I think it's about having the right guys. I think our role in this whole thing is a little bit overrated.

[A]

Yeah, that's what a great leader would say. And just like we just said about Maze, everybody else, we're deflecting. We're deflecting. Hey, you matter, bud. That's why you're in the Irish American Baseball hall of Fame. Amen. Okay. And because you're in the Irish Baseball American hall of Fame, we know you like to have a good time, okay? So we just naturally understand who you are, but I appreciate your leadership style, especially because it's working. Go ahead, Ty.

[D]

Yeah, Pat? How important is it, once you get into the postseason, to be able to win in a multitude of ways? Because, like, we've seen, you know, with how great the pitching has been this postseason, you get a team like a Yankees, you just. You can't out slug everyone. You got to be able to put runners on and move them over and be okay winning two one games. And you guys are obviously great at that. But then you have a game like last night where if you need to out slug someone, you can. You can go out and hit three homers. How important is that come postseason? And how much confidence does that give you every single night when you guys go to play?

[J]

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. And it's similar to football, right? Like, you got to be able to beat teams in different ways. If, if you just, you throw the ball, you open up everything and that's all you can do. Well, that, that could be problematic too. You got to be able to stop the run, you got to be able to rush the passer, you got to be able to spend special teams, you know, have got to be able to do something.

[A]

No ball. Hey, we know ball over there. Maybe the Irish American Football hall of Fame next. Hell yeah.

[J]

Probably could have been, to be honest with you, but we'll save that for another time anyway. Yeah, no, I think that, that it's, it's true in every sport, right? You got to be able to beat people in more than one way. And we've got a group of guys that we call them cliffhangers. You know, guys that don't know if they're locker is going to be there when they get back after the game. They've been up and down from aaa, they've been dfa, they've, they've been through it. The game has humbled them at times. And those are the type players that, that are hungry. And again, hungry players can do a lot of things.

[A]

Yeah, that's. We're seeing that in college ball with a lot of the transfer portal guys, guys that have been kind of overlooked, all coming together on teams and doing a great job. I like to hear that that mentality is kind of transferring into, into baseball as well at this moment, especially with you guys. Everybody's hunting you right now. Go ahead, con man.

[C]

Yeah, Skip, during the season this year, was there a moment where you realized like, okay, we got a special group here, you know, the vibes in here are different, everyone is getting along and also, you know, we're slapping the ball the other way whenever we want. Is this kind of a feeling you have where this feels as though you're about to go on a very historic and match go run.

[J]

Well, I mean, you know, we had a special group last year and we won the league by 10 games. Again, unexpected. People were calling it going to be a rebuild and the team just, just performed. And then we got knocked off in the first round in a dramatic fashion. And I think they remember that. And then coming back this year, we lost two of our great players and didn't really replace them with, with that much of that people would know, but we replaced them with people that are the right people. And then the season got off to a slow start.

[A]

We were 0ing 4.

[J]

People were really worried about us. And then we, we just Kind of. There was a spot. There was a spot in Pittsburgh. We're on the road. It's a dreary day. There's 350 people in the stands, and we're down in the game, and we've got, like, three or four at bats in a row. Oh, two count to base hit zero. Two count to ball four. Oh, two count double in the corner. Oh, two count double in the corner. And I'm like, now that's the edge we're talking about, you know, like, using every pitch and staying on it. That was pretty special. So that kind of opened the door, and it's. Baseball's a long season, man. It's.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it is. It is. I don't know how you guys do it, to be honest.

[J]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. It's kind of the spot. I. I felt like things kind of started to turn.

[A]

Coach, I just read we should have looked this up earlier. Murphy served as the head baseball coach and assistant football coach for the Maryville College fighting Scots in 1983. Okay, wow.

[J]

1982 and 83. And then Claremont College. I was football, baseball two. And I had aspirations going on to coach college football. When I got to Notre Dame, Coach Holtz was so great. Barry Alvarez was there. They became great friends, and they knew kind of my mentality of, like, I love this stuff. I'd sit in meetings. So, MacPhee, I got a punt play that I want to know if you know about.

[A]

Okay?

[J]

So they snap it to you, okay. And you, instead of kicking it, you throw a spiral straight down the. The field, okay? You're, You're, You're. You're outside men. The returner has no idea you've thrown it. He thinks you've kicked it. Your outside people go down. It's called your gunners, right?

[A]

Yep.

[J]

They go down and they run under it and either catch it or run into the guy gonna. Going to receive it. Even if he fair catches, they run in. Because if it's really high, you throw it really high, they're going to fair catch it. You have your guy just try to catch it or run into that guy. Pass interference, and we're rolling.

[A]

Okay.

[J]

Have you ever done it?

[A]

Have you ever heard of it? So there's no pass interference on punt place. I have heard of it and thought of it. Shane Leckler.

[J]

Not a punt play. It's strong.

[A]

Yeah. But it's a punt formation. So Shane Lechler actually did this a couple times where he would crow hop low and then throw it and they would try to steal it down to a gunner, though. They would throw it towards a gunner and hope that the people that were blocking him down, especially in the Pooch territory, because corners bail on Gunners in the Pooch area. So I think what you're saying might innovate and change the game. That might change the entire game. And also know you win a World Series right now, still got time to come coach a football. Still got time over here in the football world. We appreciate you joining us. We thank you for the time. Good luck the rest of the way, and we can't wait to chat with you soon.

[J]

Thanks, man.

[A]

Not a bad idea there, ladies and gentlemen. Genius Irish American Baseball hall of Famer, Coach of the year ever. Yay, Skip. It's not a bad idea.

[B]

So pump formation, even if it's a throw. No, doesn't.

[A]

No pass interference.

[C]

That's wild.

[B]

I didn't know this.

[C]

Yeah, me neither.

[A]

Yeah, because the jammers, it would be.

[D]

Yeah. Kind of PI.

[A]

Every time. The whole time, basically. I think they got rid of it. Yeah. But if not, we should back, shoulder. Shoulder, every. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. Nailed it. Nailed it. Yep. Nailed it. The entire thing. Oh, he wants to say so. Hold on. He's still on. Pat, sorry we had a hard out there. I had to get out of there.

[J]

No, I gotta. I gotta clarify this because I gave this play to Skip Holtz and he ran it at Connecticut and they won. They scored on the third and 19, and this is. This has got to be 2000, whatever. Skip was at Connecticut and. And I used to draw it up for Holtz and Holtz would be like, God damn it, Murphy.

[B]

If we got to play the University.

[J]

Of Air Force and beat him with the punt play, we're in trouble.

[A]

Perfect. That's a good thing to have in the back pocket, though, Coach. That's all I'm saying. Oh, that's Venus.

[J]

But I didn't understand if he Fair catches. If he calls for a fair catch and I run into him, but it's a thrown ball, why wouldn't it be interference?

[A]

So I think so at that time. I mean, this might be. I might be completely wrong, but I think they have gotten to the point where there's no pass interference on punt formation plays. I think, like, when they ran it, then they might have still had it, but I think they gotten to the point. And it's mostly because what guys used to do to Gunners, guys would throw it to Gunners and there would always be getting pushed. Right. Some sort of Thing. So if you just get in the area, it's like a PI. So I think they got it rid of it. But I love that you're thinking of ideas for punters to shine. Like, let's definitely keep that going.

[J]

One last thing. Garrett Green, West Virginia, quarterback the last three years. His father is my. One of my staff members here with the Brewers. Charlie and Charlie. I signed Charlie to come to Notre Dame in 1988. Now he's on my staff in the big leagues.

[E]

There you go.

[J]

And his son Garrett, quarterback of West Virginia for two or three years, is now with Tampa Bay on the practice roster. Yeah, he's went from. He's went from quarterback to gunner, returning punts, all that kind of shit. So it's pretty special. We pull for him.

[A]

GG ran wild all over for West Virginia. We're very appreciative of him. You talk about having his dad, and now he's on your staff. That happens. Happened with council. Right. And it's like a massive piece of the entire storyline of this particular series. Right. Isn't it? How is that?

[J]

I coached him at Notre Dame for four years. He hated me, wanted to kill me. But then we just kept. We kept talking. When he got into pro ball, and then when he got the job with the Brewers, I was with the Padres, and he brought me over, and I was his bench coach for eight years. And, you know, I was supposed to be mentoring him, but to be honest with you, he.

[A]

He.

[J]

He taught me a lot about, you know, it's like going from college football, the NFL. It's like totally different. And counts was really. I was supposed to be mentoring him, but the truth was, he mentored me on, you know, the major league game.

[A]

That's amazing. Well, good luck to you, coach. We appreciate the hell out of you. And hey, any more ideas for the punters? Let's send those.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, let's send those. You're the man. Pat Murphy pushing. Yeah. That guy's awesome.

[D]

They're special.

[A]

Holy. Great.

[D]

They're special team.

[A]

Now, I definitely knew of the Irish American Baseball hall of Fame inductee.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Coach of the year. Sorry, Manager of the year, Pat Murphy. I knew of his exist. Pancakes in the back pocket, I believe. Trisha Whitaker, Indiana University grad, former Indianapolis Sportsworth reporter. She does a lot with mlb, and she does a lot in the baseball world. She did an interview with him. This guy pulled a pancake out of his back pocket on his period. Just. Yep. After game, middle game. There's pancake right here. They're Wonderful. You want some?

[H]

I would love to.

[A]

Thank you. He's gentle. Giant, obviously. Offers up a little bit. Oh, those are delicious pizza bagels. What else do you keep in your pocket? Whatever fits. Whatever fits. There you go. You heard it here from Pat Murphy first. Pat. So I've, I've seen, I've know of Pat Murphy. God, it was great talking to him. Baseball got through. He feels like a BA of baseball right there, like a lifer. What are your thoughts on him?

[E]

Oh, he's awesome, man. And just watching his journey, you, you're pulling for guys like that, man. I'm, I'm hoping they win it all.

[A]

25 year collegiate coaching career, hall of Famer in there, I think. Considered legend.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And then comes over to the majors now and he's got the team with the best record in the entire league. I mean he, you talk about them being able to win a multitude of ways and then he just starts breaking down. Yeah, dip. You got to be able to win in different ways.

[D]

That's real though, because like teams, like, I mean like the Dodgers, their lineup is so good, but like, you look at like the Phillies and the Yankees, like they can do things multiple ways, but like with how much money they've spent on guys, their objective is, is, hey, we're going to get guys on base with walks, we're going to hit homers, and we're going to basically just pound you into submission. We're going to try to, you know, put like a, put a crooked number up on the scoreboard early and then you're basically just, you know, it's very hard to beat a team when they just jump on you early like that, especially in the playoffs because it throws your entire playing off. Like all these guys have plans going into the games. Hey, we want the starter to go five innings or six innings and then we can get to our horses in the bullpen. So like some of these teams who play like that, that's the whole objective is like, hey, if we score seven runs in the second inning, that up their entire plan. And then it's kind of just like.

[A]

Well, yeah, we can hit seven home run.

[D]

No, I'm saying seven runs off. Like you maybe hit two homers, like what they did last night. They hit three homers, but they scored seven runs.

[A]

But you all year have been talking about the Yankees. Like, we hit bombs and for me, I don't know a lot about baseball, but what. All you take is a couple games not doing that and all of a sudden that is.

[H]

Yeah, well, That's NCAA basketball. Guys get in the tournament, a team's a three point shooting team, and they have one off night and they get upset.

[A]

West Virginia, Pat Beeline, Kevin Pitznogle in the boys, that entire run.

[H]

Baseball is a series, I guess. So that protects against it at least three, five games.

[D]

Yeah, you assume that at some point it'll come in. But like the Yankees led the majors in. In homers this year, and because they have like a short porch in right field, like that is part of the makeup of their team, is like, hey, we have this kind of advantage here. Let's get some big lefty bats and take advantage of that. Because not everyone plays with that type of situation.

[E]

Oh, Tony and Swab are being a leadoff hitters.

[D]

Exactly.

[E]

With 50 plus home runs.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

They're trying to hit bomb. We're putting you under it right now.

[A]

I appreciate that aggressive mentality, but what it takes one bad night, but you're hoping that four of your guys don't have bad nights on the same night.

[D]

Yeah, exactly. You just assume, hey, some. Someone will pick somebody up here. If we can just get one person on base. And then it might not be a homer, but like these teams that slug, it might be a double into the gap or whatever the case may be.

[A]

And the brewers are just getting good.

[D]

Well, you heard what he said. He was like, you know, a lot of times we're out there when. When he kind of noticed it was special is like, we get a single and then we get down. Someone is down 02 in a count, and they work a walk and then the next guy hits a single, and then another guy's down O2 and then they hit a double and now, boom, we score two runs. And it's just like, you're making that pitcher work so hard. And then on top of it, like, he mentioned it and we talked to the guy, like, a lot of guys throw hard. There aren't a lot of guys throwing 105 and who have a wipeout slider like Jacob Mizarowski does. Like, it's just if. If that guy's on, he's. He's damn near unhittable.

[A]

I like, he said, yeah, the number is certainly something, but anybody can square that up. So at this age, that was kind. That's kind of like we need him to throw strikes.

[D]

That's my whole point about Shohei is like, look how many guys are throwing a hundred. Like, everyone throws a hundred. So it's like he's maybe he's like a top 30 pitcher. Top 20 pitcher in the majors, but he's focusing on that. And he strikes out four times at the plate. Like, it. It kind of just. It's a. It's astonishing how many of these guys are throwing 101, 102 every pitch. It's crazy.

[A]

Yeah. And then the junk that comes alongside of it, you know, Paul Skeens is still active, adding pitches. Yeah, he's still adding pitch miz. This guy had five starts for the All Star break, adding pitches. Yeah, he started. I think he did the single A, double A, Triple A. He was on buses.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I think he did the whole baseball. Professional baseball gimmick to get to where.

[D]

He was, because that's what he said. He's watching. He throws hard, and it's very scary as a hitter facing a guy who you don't know if he's gonna throw 105 right down the middle or it's gonna hit you in the head like that.

[A]

I don't like that. I don't mind a little. Is this guy going to efficiently wild? Efficiently wild.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

That's not a bad way to be described. There's a little bit of an outlaw mentality up here on a mind. Trevor Lawrence, let's get to a break on the other side. We'll wrap up all the story lines we haven't chatted about, and I think BA Is going to make some putts today for Hell yeah.

[H]

Nice.

[E]

Ready?

[A]

Especially now you're 73. Feels like this is the right year.

[E]

Y. Definitely.

[A]

That was cool talking to him. Him?

[D]

Yeah, he's the man.

[A]

So I'm just going to act like anytime baseball comes in a conversation where I'm not on air, I just can't wait to go talk to Pat Murphy.

[D]

You know, if you don't have a team too, like, they're. It's. It's impossible not to love the brewers because they don't have any massive stars, they don't have a huge payroll, they're in a small market, and they're the best team in baseball.

[A]

Ladies and gentlemen, Pick up the brewers if you need one. But also maybe that Toronto team. We'll see. They just beat the hell out of the game. It's not over yet.

[D]

Tonight's play tonight.

[A]

I watched a clip today that Gumpy put out because there's a new episode of Rushmore on X. Shout out to talk dirty. Bailey, D Bone, Foxy and team that have edited, producing, made this entire thing. Now we shoot it or book it or do it. That's all Ari and Ben's work, which they do a phenomenal job. Yeah. Maybe the best guest lineup in the history of any show that has ever kind of been launched. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Last week, first episode was on ball. Catchers, basically. Receivers, incredible. From the goats, obviously. This week, Bob Costas, Al Michaels talking about biggest chokes in the history of sports. And we're talking. There's a 19. 1964 reference in there. There's a 1901, I think Frank Merle.

[D]

Yeah, Frank Merkel.

[A]

Merkel. There he is. And a boner. Chatter. But I mean, there is. This is a sports history storytelling master class, I believe is what they would describe this particular episode. It is available now in its full version at Rushmore on X. On X. All the clips from episode live across all social media platforms. Here is the TV teaser trailer for this week's episode that the boys put together. Bob Costas, Al Michaels just basically talking about the history of sports. That's what it is. So many stories, so many insights and then Ari Emanuel correcting them. Actually, I was there and it got good. I mean, it got really good. It's not only like a little bit of debate, but I think the amount of information about sports that comes from this episode, I don't know if I've ever seen anything like it. No way. It was really, really cool. We hope you enjoyed. It's available now. Hey, fans, welcome back to Fansville's cheers and tears. Okay, so like everybody deals with losing, right? To a rival and a last second field goal, whatever. It's fine.

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I'm totally fine.

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[A]

Football, that's AJ Hawk directly to my left. Left, that's coach BA that is nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler celebrating the drop of the puck on another season. That's the toxic table at Boston Connor. And that Ty Schmidt. And let's head over to Hammer Time. What happened with the Goblin last night? Congratulations to A.J. hawk. A.J. a.J. Moves to 12 and three, I believe. Or 12. No, 10 and.

[D]

Yeah, because you were nine and four, right.

[A]

You 12 and three.

[I]

You boys had good weekend.

[A]

Hey, A.J. that's incredible. 12, three. It was an incredible weekend. Did we beat the sports books? Did the public beat or did we lose again?

[I]

Now we lost again.

[A]

Come on, man.

[I]

Last night, 65% was on the Kansas City Chiefs. I think that was to be expected, you know, because they. Chiefs are the Chiefs in everyone's mind and the Jags are the Jags in everyone's mind. Even if you were on whatever side last night. And then I went back today and.

[C]

I looked and I.

[I]

Because it was last week or. Sorry, before this week, before week five started, teams that, you know were getting 60% or more of the public bet were 10 and 24 against the spread. Good news. This week, those teams went 3 and 6 against the spread. So now we are now 13 and 30 against the spread when teams are getting 60% or more of the best.

[A]

Okay, do we know that information while we're making the picks? I know it's always like, hey, this is being reported from this sports book. This percentage. We don't know what the overall is. I think there's some question marks on the percentage of money on what picks before the bet. And then obviously we know immediately afterwards because all the final tally is kind of released. Yeah. Do we have that info going in and are we going to learn our lesson? We need to start thinking about this.

[I]

I think think generally we know and to your point, like, it'll. Someone will report, like, here are the top five most bet on teams at ESPN Bet. Here are the top five most bet on teams at so and so. Sometimes there's some differences, but normally, you know, just like polls.

[G]

Pat.

[I]

Obviously there's. They're generally correct. But we. Yeah, I know.

[A]

I was joking.

[G]

We are.

[I]

But yeah, we definitely know more after the fact because I definitely do question some of those numbers sometimes. But also like, we give out those numbers on a Friday and most people do their betting. Like, if you're not a professional, most people aren't making their bets until like Sunday morning. So a lot more stuff comes in then.

[A]

Yeah. So we need to be smarter. Yeah.

[C]

13 to 30.

[A]

What's so funny?

[B]

D. But because we won't be.

[A]

No, we need to be.

[B]

We won't. They'll keep.

[G]

We're locked in.

[A]

That's the other half of The Hammer Cowboys, Bubba Gumbino. And I don't want to hear it from you. I'm about sick of hearing muppets from some team doing something somewhere. You know, me and Gumpy, it's fall college game day season. So me and Guppy traveling together, you know, Gumpy obviously and I spending time around each other. And I'll tell you what, it's always a nice refresher whenever you're around somebody that is literally betting on every sport that is happening. Even the Shanghai Open. Shanghai, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Actually a gunpat a couple lockers from the Wuhan Open and he bet on the spurs to beat Guangzhou 119 to 88.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

Wait, you say the Wuhan Open.

[A]

Is it the Wuhan Open or Shanghai.

[B]

Open?

[A]

The women's tennis. Sorry, they're saying like Wuhan back because remember when Wuhan back. Wuhan back. They thought it was over, but Wuhan back, that was at the beginning of the recovery of the entire. We did it. We beat Covid. You remember those times? Those are happening. We celebrated that, what, 10 times. We thought we beat. At least there would be a. There'd be an email from a league saying, guess what? We're packing a stadium this weekend. And we're like, we beat it. We started celebrating and it turns out, nope, actually this stadium over here still doing a. Oh, there's another. What was it called whenever a bunch of them happened? Wave. Obviously Variant. Variant was a game changer. You guys thought Omicron. Yeah, right, dude. Super Duper Alpha Tron is coming through. This one's like the OG 19 and then also has little shades of 17 and 18 as well. So we celebrated a bunch in its entirety. But I think, I think Wuhan Open is something that Gumpy would gamble on. And being alongside Gumpy while he's going through all these bets and hearing about how good all the sportsbooks are doing, it has been very entertaining. Dumpy Liverpool is not showing up for you. Or is it the Inter Miami boys? Or is it Barcelona or Real Madrid? I forget who it was. He has a couple go to's that always show up for him. They haven't been showing up because they're a bunch of knobs.

[G]

Liverpool's lost three straight.

[A]

It's not good.

[G]

But we're on an international break now.

[A]

For two weeks, so it's nothing but fun football. You know what's great?

[I]

You know what's great, Pat? Because you're obviously with him a lot during these. I also am as well. When Gump's put in a bet, puts In a bet he's 100, 000 correct or he knows that bet is gonna hit. Yeah, he is. He's not wish.

[A]

He's.

[I]

That man is never wishy washy. One time.

[A]

Not one time. And then as it's happening, obviously he made the right decision. These Muppets, just the anger that comes from a no notification refs man, a notification pops up on his phone. Okay, we're flying. We have spotty Wi Fi. Spotty, spotty.

[C]

5Am in the morning.

[A]

WI Fi. And we're just flying. And then all of a sudden notifications will pop up on phone and he has notifications set for every app in his phone. I've never seen this many. They all show up at the same time. He's swiping through them and all you'll see is just a couple more and then the muppet or knob or I forget, there was one that he was running with there for a while. It was unbelievable. Gumpy, you're gonna get him, bud. Yep, here we go. Got him.

[G]

Last night, Trevor Lawrence Mahomes in the paint. We're back.

[E]

We're in the green.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you were jagging off. A lot of people were saying green. Yeah, you were. I certainly were. All right, we'll beat them. We will beat the sports books. You know, there's a couple things about this Chiefs team that are a little bit alarming, especially if you go back to when they were dominating everybody. They actually set NFL record for the amount of close games won in a season. Okay. John Ewing put out a tweet that kind of went on a run. It said Chiefs and won score games. 11, 0. That was last year. And then, oh, and three this year. They're not the only ones. Minnesota Vikings won 11 and 0 a couple years back in one score games. And then the next year, we're not good in one score games. In Hembo, whenever he delivered said stat because those are NFL records, by the way. 111 score victories is the most they are tied.

[G]

Wow.

[A]

So they were able to do that and obviously that becomes the identity of the team. Hey, in these close games, they're able to win it.

[D]

They're able to win it.

[A]

They're able to win it. We thought that about the Vikings and we carried that over into next year. And do you remember we were losing a lot of bets on a lot of close games because they were. When you talk about being able to win close games, is that a skill? Is that, is that a trait that A team has and maybe some teams don't have. Like, how do you view that as a coach? And do you know if your team has the ability to win these close games? Like, how is the change for the Chiefs go from 11 and 0 to 0 and 3 and the Vikings, how are they able to do 11 and then not so many? Why do you think as a coach that happens? And when do you know if your team is a team that can win those ones? I.

[E]

You would know by now. This, each year so different. Your teams change, your. Your defensive guys change. You lose some guys to free agents, you bring some guys in. You don't know how they're going to act in that last two minutes. I know I've been on the sideline where Super Bowl 43, we're going to win this. Ben's going to take us down the field and win. We got to go 92 yards, no panic. You know, when your guys are on the sidelines, like, we got it right now. The Bucks have it. You know, they're. I think their differential is like plus three.

[A]

Yeah, plus six.

[J]

Something.

[E]

And they're four and one. But because when, if there's time on the clock, Baker's going to win the game. So they have that belief right now and I. And it, it starts to permeate through your whole locker room.

[A]

So is it a belief of confidence? Is it.

[E]

It is totally a belief in a confidence.

[A]

Can you coach it? Like, can he create it if a team does that?

[E]

I think you put your guys in enough situations in training camp, in practice, especially. Especially in dual practices in those situations that you get very comfortable. And so much of it is on your quarterback and so much of it is on your defensive line. All right. Being able to get to the quarterback. For instance, the Browns winning that game, you know, Carson was he. He was clean. He was clean.

[B]

That close it out.

[A]

Yeah. This is, hey, we paid you all this money. What are we doing when we need you in London?

[E]

And that's the bracket. Browns don't have that right now. They don't have the belief they're going to win this game. All right? It's obvious because they can't win them.

[A]

All right?

[E]

But other teams just, it's nothing, man.

[A]

We got this D. But what are your thoughts? Can you learn that through a season or does the team have it going into the season?

[B]

I agree with everything coach said as far as every win. It just stacks that confidence and beliefs. And most of the time the games come down to a two minute drive. You know, whether it's the end of half or the end of game where as a defense, you know the situation. When that happened last night, most people didn't think when Trevor Lawrence before the kick, two timeouts left, a minute 45. If that was Patrick Mahomes getting the ball, 90%, 5% of public, oh, they're going to go down and win. Live bet with Trevor Lawrence. It was probably the opposite. I even like tweeted out, all right, can he answer? Can he respond? And he did. But like now, going forward, when the Jaguars are in this situation again as a team, even as a defensive player, when you stand on that sideline, you have confidence in that offense. And we do this shit, every team does it damn near every week. You know, whether it's Thursdays or whenever it is, hey, two minute drill. This is a situation one time out, minute five left on the clock, need a field goal, whatever that situation is. So when you get in that, in the actual game situation, you're not really thinking. You're just going through different things. You have. And then coaches, when it comes to preparing these teams, one thing in New England that we always did was got to have situation. So whether it was like a 15 play script, like, okay, what does this team go to in their gotta have it situation, that could be two point plays. That could be when I was playing fourth down going forward and fourth down wasn't that big. But hey, it may be a fourth and two or whatever. Okay, they're like sprint right option. Do you like this? So what are the things that they lean on? Because most coaches, they're going to go back to their best shit when the moment is in the biggest, when it's in the biggest moment. So it's preparation and then, then it's confidence that's built throughout that, you know, that season.

[A]

How about whenever you're 11 and 0 and then oh, and 3, do you lose it? Do you lose confidence? AJ do you think they even down in themselves or they just run into other teams that were willing to do it to them as well?

[H]

But I don't think, I don't think a guy like Patrick Mahomes is losing confidence in what he is able to do. But maybe some guys around him are, I think are standing around, I don't know, I can't speak for them, but I know in being places like sometimes you're waiting on somebody else to make the play. Like think when great teams that I've been on, you feel like, no, I'm going to go make this play. If you're on defense. We want to end this game like we have. It's a belief in confidence. It truly is. But it definitely starts with a quarterback. You have to have a quarterback that's a stud that everyone says, hey, if we get this guy the ball, we know for sure he's going to take it down and score and get us this win. You need to have a defense to where it's like, no, I'm not going to wait on somebody to make a play. I'm going to go make that play. And you're all 11 guys in the field are trying to be that dude and get off the field.

[E]

I think too last night when Jacksonville scored, There was like 30 seconds left. Oh shit.

[A]

Mahomes gonna take this back.

[E]

He's gonna get a field goal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like that's gonna happen.

[E]

And whatever reason, the penalty before he.

[B]

Even got took a snap fucked him.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That's why, that's why football is like the ultimate team game. We always talk about complimentary football, but as great as the quarterback is, if they don't get put in the right situation, starting on the 30 as opposed to starting with 13, is a huge difference.

[A]

Or the 40.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So let's talk about these kickoffs. Let's talk about these kickoffs because you just mentioned it there with Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville having to start at the 40 because kickoff out of bounds, there's been multiple now squibs hitting early, not landing in the landing zone and people getting the ball at the 40. Kickoff out of bounds here, ball at the 40. And then there's also been situations where they've pinned people because you have to kick it in there. And that's shown up big for them. This new kickoff, okay, with the 35 yard line as the new touchback line in the landing zone, basically it has forced teams to have to throw a strike. Like you have to throw a strike, you have to put the ball over the plate and you have to go make a tackle. So you're talking about third stringers, guys that are just getting onto the team on Thursdays, okay, Are going to be making huge plays. And if they just so happen to get a little, little peaky this way and the guy next to him on the other side happens to get a little peaky this way, that is a home run. And this is exactly what the NFL was hoping. The NFL was hoping the kickoff would become important again. And there's numerous games now that we're thinking, hey, that ball lands before the landing zone, that ball's at the 40, with the way kickers are kicking balls right now, that's one first down and we got a field goal at least. It's like the kickoff is now very important, very crucial at the end of games. And you got to have a weapon kicking that ball. You need some sort of coverage that can win a game for you. Basically at the end of NBA, I.

[E]

Think it's changed everything. The K ball especially because the kickers, I mean Aubrey's going to kick a 70 yarder, you know he's going to make it case McLaughlin kicking a 65 yarder outside in Tampa Bay. It's crazy, but it's like I would kick it out of the end zone. No shit. They get it on the 35, it's one completion. He's going to kick the field going tie the game or win the game.

[A]

Borealis up there in New England hit a 50, 52 yard game winner. That hit top of net.

[D]

That ball might good from 85.

[A]

That might have been good from 70 plus yards for a game winner. This is impossible. Now granted it's very warm and everything like that. It's still warm in a year that's at the top of the net from 52 to win the game in Buffalo. He's got long sleeves on. So KP2, huh? But that's outside in this entire. You talked about the new K balls. This is a, this is a huge win for kickers and punters here and, and snappers as well. We chit chatted about it whenever we learned about it. Because the special teams group of coordinators that have been tasked with both changing the kickoff to keep it in the game have also been presenting other rules, you know, that special teams has had. That's like, hey, now that we got a little bit more trust in the league with like us creating things that maybe they think would be good for the game and understanding the way the special teams coordinator is like, hey, can we go back to having cables but we'll keep it. You know, it calls crazy. So those that don't know the cables used to be brought by the teams. And it got to a point where it was just abuse. I mean these balls would show up like this. I mean this is what the balls would show up so beat up they were actually putting them in like a dryer, like commercial dryers to like make them get blown up. One thing led to another, guys were obviously murdering footballs. One thing led to another where one of these shitty ass K balls that was designed strictly to be kicked further. And however they want, wanted to do that beat up, got into an actual play, quarterback throws a pick with it, full investigation happens into the ball. They go, enough of this. And then it was brand new balls, fresh out of the box. So it was like, I hope you guys are happy. This is what you got now. The balls were in a box, brought out opening kickoff. Good luck. Okay then. Kickers and punters got so pissed off about that because we're kicking blocks like plastic. You're basically giving us plastic. This is. This is trash. This is like the worst. Why would we do this? So then they gave a 30 minute time period for equipment managers to break in the ball with officials watching them. This has been the development of the K ball rules through this entire thing. So then there's seven of them in total. Basically the first three are the only ones that are going to see the field. Normally only the first two, depending upon what happens. And the equipment managers will just beat those things up just for 30 minutes. They come out sweating. They'd have one brush, there's one bottle of water, and that's all you're allowed to use. Okay? And it was watched and regulated. And our guy, Frog would come out sweating just one. And we'd be like, how are they? You'd be like, you're good. Thanks, man. Thank you so much for doing what you're doing. And if there was a shitty equipment manager from the other team doing it, we would even tell the other kickers and punters like, hey, our ball good, if you want it, or whatever. And then you could like, yeah, you would help him out? We would help them out because we wouldn't want their guy, their ball in ever. So then we would just say, hey, we're only using ball one. Do you guys agree with that? Yes. So then they agree. So we're only using ball one as opposed to rotating balls because if we heard that their guys sucked, like other teams would come up to us, they'd be like, hey, our guy sucks. It's like, sweet. We'll do ball one, and if we need emergency ball one, we'll go to ball three. Because our. If it was home, we'd have the odd numbers. So with that, we as teams would go to person and say, hey, we're using this. We're using this into an agreement. Ball two. Then just back of the pile, we're not even using it. So it's like there was a little politicking going on as well. And if you had a good equipment manager, it was fucking great news. Now these guys are allowed to work them all week and then they bring them into games and they have to pass a test. They still have to be in condition that is worthy of being on 8K television for the NFL right now. So it's still got to be a good looking Duke, but I mean it's 10 to 15 yards. 10 to 15 yards I would say of distance between brand new ball verse very beat up ball. And I put that tweet out and I saw it got a lot of traction which was cool. People like 10 to 15 yards is like, I mean shit, depending upon what their thing is, maybe 20 yards, 17 to 20 yards of it, let alone for punting how much hang time. It's like a beat up ball is just so much better. That's why quarterbacks bring their own balls in. That's why baseballs, I think whenever they get beat up or kind of subbed out or whatever, it's like these things are leather and what you're trying to do is crack into them and hit the bladder and then that's exploding off there. So the more beat up you can get, the outside you can obviously get to the bladder. That thing's gone. It's like this is a big role change, I think it's a big role change for kickers. And that 52 yarder that went over the uprights for New England and then, then 65 yarder and then Aubrey goes strolling out there for 66. It's like this is going to only continue. So the touchbacks at the 35 with the ability to kick these long balls, you know, there's a lot of strategy, there's strategy going in there and special teams in. The kickoff matters now even more than it's ever had. And I think that's a success for the rule makers.

[D]

Yeah, and for the fans too because I, I really do believe, especially when we look at this like over the course of a year like this rule, rule yields more close games. And if you're a fan of a team like you have more hope going into one of these last drives. It used to be, you know, like if your kicker was kind of so so and you had like a 52 yarder, it's like, well, okay, we've got a 10 chance of making this now. It really does feel like, hey, we just got to get one completion and then we'll try our guy out there for a 65 yarder and. Exactly, exactly. But then on the flip side it is like if you don't know how to execute, execute that kickoff like that that's just killing teams because it is. It's just like already if you have a, if you have a quarterback who maybe you don't envision him as that guy who like Bake, who he's going to go down the field and score like you starting at the 40 yard line, like there's no room for error for your defense.

[A]

A lot of confidence going on the field when you get the ball to 42.

[E]

Oh, there's no doubt. And, but like you said, I. That penalty on the kickoff against Kansas City, if they get the ball in the 31, Mahomes is getting it to the 50, I guarantee you. And he's going to attempt 58, 59, probably make it and go to overtime.

[A]

Bucker. Yeah, Bucker's a real deal. Oh yeah, there's a lot of those guys that are really good. Yeah. Spencer Schrader for the Colts made a lot of big kicks for us. He tears a couple ligaments in his knee. Out for season. Colts have made a signing a kicker. Michael Badgley. The Money Badger. The Money Badger. He's back. He'd been on the team before. He, he was good for us. I. He was good for us. I think we had Hot Rod at the time. Remember Hot Rod? Yeah. Oh yeah.

[B]

Where was, where was his last stop?

[A]

Badgley Chargers, maybe. Yeah, I think Charger, I think last time I saw him, he's good. He's got a lot of moxie.

[D]

I thought he was on a team already.

[A]

Me too. I think he's one of these guys that hasn't had a good situation like, you know, where when you become a carousel K kicker, you've worked out a.

[E]

Lot of these guys.

[A]

You're not on a team, but you're in a rotation of guys that get workouts. Basically anytime a kicker gets hurt or something like that, and then you might get an opportunity for two, three weeks because the kicker's hurt or one week because the kicker's hurt, then you hope that that film's good enough that you get potentially signed somewhere else. Very rarely do you get in there and then just take the job. There's been a couple of those situations that have happened. Inevitably that happens for a lot of people. But if you're not in the actual, it's hard to crack.

[D]

It's harder.

[A]

You need an injury and you need to get hot at the right time. Because if you get in there as like a fill in and you miss one, it's like, see ya. We can find another guy that can come in here and Miss anybody come here and miss.

[B]

I got a question for both of you. Like, what did he. So what's. What do you think he's been doing, I guess throughout the season to kind of stay in the type of kick and shape. And then for ba Are we more likely to see now a lot more fourth down. A lot more four down territory for the Colts once they kind of cross that midfield.

[E]

I don't. I think he. From what I remember, he's got a long, strong leg.

[A]

Yeah, he's good. I think.

[B]

So you trust him off the rip?

[E]

Oh, yeah. I mean for me, that's the general manager, pro personnel, they got five guys at every position on that board. He's the best one. We lose this guy, we're getting this guy. And same thing with kickers. So they got to have a ton of confidence in a guy. I'm not changing a damn thing the way I coach or decide anything. I hired your ass. Do your job.

[A]

I love everything about that. That. That is awesome. That is a very like, yeah, this is your job. Go make the kick. That is what we're here for. Well, it's a new guy. He hasn't been around the team. We're on a good run right now. Number one team in the afc. We literally just got this guy. He was on The Lions in 2024. We were just learning. Obviously. Might have been a fill in for a little bit there where Bates was hurt. No, he was fine. And then they brought Bates in into camp. They had a battle. Bates won that thing and had a good year. So he. Badgley was completely fine with the Lions when he was there. And since then he's been just kicking. Yes.

[G]

Odd man out.

[A]

Yeah, he's literally just kicking and waiting for another opportunity. It's an interesting little. That would be a cool documentary actually because there's a lot of camps that people go to like right now. Nick Novak is former kicker. He was a journeyman kicker. He'd been on a lot of teams. Teams loves the art of kicking. Like still holds camps and everything. He'll have a lot of free agent guys that he'll record working out and then he'll put him up there. And you got guys from around the league watching these videos and they're like, okay, we'll put that guy on the board if we do this.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

So like traveling, going to these camps, working out, posting clips like that is literally what kickers. You're hustling basically for your next opportunity at a tryout. And then you just got to hope you get hot at the tryout and then you get an opportunity and then you get hot then. And literally, if all you need is like a couple people to see you do well and you'll get an opportunity. And if you get an opportunity and you crush it, it's like you can have a job forever or you get right back in a carousel and have to wait for another opportunity. It's an interesting.

[E]

Probably not coming.

[A]

What's that?

[E]

When you fail.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

You're at the bottom of the carousel.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

You're not riding the pony. You're on that little thing at the bottom that doesn't move.

[A]

Did you go out watch those workouts or. No. The kicking workout?

[E]

No, no. I just tried to. Trusted pro personnel people. Give me the best guy you got.

[A]

Who'd you have whenever you guys did your super bowl run? Pro personnel, no kicker. Who was kicker down there? Orion.

[C]

Yeah, he was great.

[E]

Oh, money. But 52 was it 50 and maybe 49 into the win. But we knew exactly. And he was honest. Coach, I can't make that.

[A]

Which is a big piece of information.

[E]

All right, good. We'll go for it.

[A]

He hit the same ball every time. Yeah, he was a robot. We came out the same year. He was Mr. Irrelevant with the Kansas City Chiefs, I do believe. And watching him, just his stance and how he did, he was just so consistent. Same exact ball. And to your point, it wasn't like super long ball, but it was just like knew exactly where he's going. He was a good kickoff guy too. I think he was okay. Yeah. He had a long run up right on the kickoff. I think he had a little bit of a longer run up. Not as long as Jason had Hansen. Jason Hansen used to run 25 yards. Legend. That was unbelievable. It was. He went into the. He went. He's a Hall of Fame nominee. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Before the MCDC era and before Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson, Jason Hansen was the best lion of my lifetime. And keep in mind I didn't watch. So. Yeah.

[E]

I love Jason.

[A]

20 years. I think he didn't. He was awesome. 20 years he kicked up there in Detroit. I don't. Only one playoff game, right? Zero playoff games. Which is insane.

[B]

But if you're a fan, you got see. Yeah, the kicker is my favorite.

[G]

Lot of.

[B]

I play with the goat. Yeah. So trust me, bro.

[A]

His kickoffs, it was so much fun the week of the practice, you know, Cuz you got to give a good look. Not really only doing it just. He would start.

[H]

For real.

[B]

I think I remember to stoop.

[H]

He'D get through it.

[G]

Start at the back line of the end zone.

[A]

Dude, it was you legit. You're starting like the five yard line. Balls kept Dr. 30 at the time.

[B]

That was when we used to run up too kicker as the kickoff team.

[A]

Yeah. And they had to like time it up. It was unbelievable. And now guys are taking one step to hit this kickoff. Yeah. Well guys techniques have gotten a lot better over the years. Sweet spots have gotten better over the years. Strength explosion has a. Jason Hansen is a legend. Absolutely loved him. He's Hoffnom with AJ Hofnom.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

That could be your class him I.

[H]

Believe I played again. When did he retire? I played against him for many years.

[G]

He played for like 35 years.

[A]

Yeah, I think he retired right before they made the playoffs. So like he had played all those years my whole lifetime I never watched him play in the playoffs. He retires and then they make the playoffs. May thank you for doing what you did for football for as long as you did. More people should have seen it, Jay. That's why you're Hoffno. Hell Yeah. All right, B.A. what do we need to get your take on? We need oh, college. Last week, last week we talked to you about college. We need to do that more. You're a very. How many years you coach college?

[E]

17.

[A]

Okay, 17 year college. Long time coach right now sitting on a advisory a council of maybe Virginia, Texas coach. How's that going? I saw the $229 million official announcement for the athletics department. Good for you.

[E]

We're going to start meeting today.

[C]

Add in a name this morning, I believe.

[A]

Yeah, we're trying to pitch some names to get in that. But you, you're starting meeting today. Is that real? What do you got?

[E]

A zoom right on the way to the airport.

[A]

Okay, he's dialed in. Okay, he is out in. We got a good car, good space. He's going to have a good office there. And I'm excited to see who you come up with. Did you see this past weekend great college football slate Arch Manning? Okay. This Texas team in the story of it is going to certainly be an interesting one. Obviously we all know that Arch has potential. I mean everything going into the year was he's going to be number one overall pick. This guy's going to win a Heisman. Now we're sitting after them losing two games to Florida and at Ohio State and at Florida and we're wondering what the hell is going on in Texas as a whole. Sark has never had the Rankings offensively that he has right now. And obviously Florida was able to do their thing against his Texas team. It's never really that close. What do you think's happening down there with Ruck? Is there a way to correct course for a quarterback? Because he's down there three years now, right. This is his third year down there.

[C]

I thought he was a true freshman last year, but I am not.

[A]

Maybe second year. How many years, Tone?

[I]

This is year three for Arch, year two for Lagway.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. So this is third year for Arch at Texas. How. How are we. What would you do? How do you. How do you. Can you work on fundamentals still at this point? You have to, right?

[E]

Every day. I mean, even in the pros we'd have our quarterback. We call it going to driving range every day. Quarterbacks, 25 minutes, the fundamentals before practice. And so, yeah, I think his off platform throws seem to be very off.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

For whatever reason, we saw the grimace a couple weeks ago and I thought it was pissed because of shitty throw. But there might be something to it because the kid is really, really good. I mean he's to able everything we thought he was, it's just not happening on the field. I think Florida's defensive line got after him really, really good. And you know, I think the noise affected their offensive line at the Swamp. And DJ Lagway played like we thought DJ Lagway play, he looked fantastic finally. And. But Arch, I don't know what's going on, but they got to get it correct quick.

[A]

Yeah, it's certainly going to be a lot of pressure down there in Texas. I mean, that's certainly going to be to mount and mount and everything like that in the modern nil world with contracts and how much everything. I wonder literally how any of that works because you go back a couple years to Florida State when they had DJ UI Ungalalay and it was going how it was going, it was almost like they felt obligated to play him or like they had to play him because the amount of money that he was being paid, and I'm not saying that that's happening in Texas ever, but with the amount of money that's being paid to everybody, there is even more outside expectation. You know what? Team looks Unbelievable. Hey, A.J. hey, that Ohio State team, brother. Hey. Yeah, Nobody's talking about Ohio State right now, okay? Because they played Texas week one and then into the abyss, nobody's going to talk about anything that they do. When do they play a top five team? Okay? All this year has been is top 10 teams versus top 10 teams. When Ohio State plays somebody. Oh, listen, okay, we don't want to hear. All they've done is just use this as practice almost, it feels like, and get find who they are. Is that what it is happened with Ohio State for those that maybe haven't watched or followed along the last few weeks with them? Yeah.

[H]

I mean, they're coupling a suffocating, unbelievable defense right now that flies around and doesn't let teams score with an offense that seems to be very efficient. And Julian saying, I believe as a quarterback is also kind of flying under the radar. And the dude's making. He's making some great throws week in and week out. And yes, he has great talent around him, but yeah, they're. They're rolling right now, man.

[A]

Yeah, they're not the only ones. I mean, Alabama's all the way back, a huge winner. This Ty Miami. Unbelievable. Hey, Miami looks the part, you know?

[D]

Yeah, they do.

[A]

They look the part. Every position looks the part. Like when I went up to Penn State and saw the white out and I was on the field and I saw Penn State's defense and I looked at every player and I'm like, jesus, they look the part. I mean, D line, Everybody shredded, massive DBs, everybody big, athletic. You look at this Miami team. Trenches. Big, massive, shredded offensive line. Big, massive dudes. Quarterback, 6 foot 6, two wide receivers that are very explosive. A third if they need it, we got run game if they have to have it. Just everything that they have looks the part down there for Miami. It is. It's a special time to be a hurricane. It feels like south Florida is very much vibing and this is only just the beginning because I think they have money and crystal ball recruits 24, 7. Oh yeah, that's what we're being told.

[B]

And whenever the U is back, I mean mean that, that they do to recruit themselves. Just playing football and having that swagger. So I asked BA we talking about Ohio State, Talk about Miami. We know what Oregon is the powerhouse. You talk, mentioned other teams. Ole Miss, Bama. Who do you think is the best team in the country right now?

[E]

Well, for me, gosh, I'd have to say Ohio State the way the quarterback is and that's good for them. They.

[A]

They beat Texas.

[E]

They didn't ask the quarterback to do too much defense. Played lights out. Let this kid grow. All right, they got Smith, they got all the receivers. He looks like he is moving in the right direction. Ty Simpson at Alabama, same thing. All of a sudden this guy's a superstar. Why the hell's he been sitting on the bench for a couple years? He had a bunch of good guys, you know, and I love that he didn't transfer. I love the fact that he stayed fought it out and he's. And he's getting his due at Alabama. Alabama looks like they're the real deal too. In sec I never count out the Georgia, but Lane Kiffin's got him rolling. At Ole Miss they're scoring a bunch of points. I mean it's going to be a fun battle all the way to the end but if I had to pick one right now, I'd have to say Ohio State.

[C]

Well, and then if you think about too like just looking at that list of odds, Oklahoma's only plus 1800 because Mater, you know, has been playing these last two weeks. If Oklahoma goes out, you know, Matier actually does come back. Pete Dammel reported that he's pushing to return this weekend for the Texas game. If he does come back in Oklahoma, you know, beats Texas. Are we then talking about Oklahoma being. Being one of those teams? Because they've been out of the conversation for no real reason aside from the fact that he, you know, he's kind of questionable.

[A]

That's a pretty big real reason though. He was best quarterback in maybe in country Whenever he was playing in our buckle, his offense coordinator came with him. So we thought maybe him leaving would affect the entire offense because obviously, obviously they were a package. They still win games. Venable still has the defense and if he comes back to play against Tech, let's go to Hammer. Done. Done. That's a massive game this weekend. I think we all probably assumed game day was going to be at and then you have unfortunate losses happen and then he can't do it. So we're heading out to Oregon against with Indiana again it's all the way back. I mean their name hasn't even been mentioned this entire thing, let alone Oregon. But down there, Texas, Oklahoma, the story is Matier's back. Is that happening?

[I]

That's a great question. I saw that earlier today and a lot of the reports were like, hey, he's going to be pushing to get back by the end of October. What are we sitting on October 7th right now? So I mean that would be a really, really quick comeback. I know Oklahoma is thinking about building a statue for the surgeon who did the operation on his hand if he does get back for this game. But like even if he does, Michael Hawkins got some playing time last year. Was it great? No, it Wasn't terrible though, either. Their O line was a disaster. They didn't have any wide receivers. He played okay last week. Like they can still. There's no reason they can't win this game without Mater. Would they be much better with Mater? I mean, they're dogs right now. So that line makes me think that Mater, or at least the books, don't think Mater, is going to play this weekend. But, like, he's just. He's different. Like, he. He's a wild card.

[A]

You.

[I]

You have no idea what he's going to do. You have no idea what throw he's going to make or what he's going to try. I definitely want to see Mater back this weekend. But it is, when you look at that slate, it is an absolute loaded slate of college football this weekend. Every single one of those games was either a ranked team currently or a ranked team at the start of the season. So at one point, all of these teams have been ranked this season. So it is a. It's going to be a very, very exciting weekend of college football.

[A]

Got a lot of good ball coming. And then obviously met last Thursday night. Kicks it all off as Philadelphia Eagles travel out to New York. Dr. Shin is the name you're looking for out there in Oklahoma that did the surgery on Jean Mateer. And they're saying if he gets back for Texas in just a couple weeks, Dr. Shin's hands might be etched in stone forever. Thank God for his successful procedure. Dr. Shin is the goat. Boomer Sooner says John Mattier. Good luck to all the boys in their recovery. Great work there. Tone off. Right on the way out here, B.A. you want to make some putts for some people.

[D]

Here we go.

[B]

Here we go, Bruce.

[A]

Here we go. No glasses.

[D]

Yeah, all business.

[A]

No glasses.

[E]

Tipping up.

[A]

Which putter do you want to use? We have a variety of options. You're going to the long one. Yep, that's the one. Okay. Now this is the extendo. I will say this is not just long, it is an extendo. He'll have to make about an eight foot putt here on a very tough Thunderdome green. Yeah, we have seen this green take down plenty of man, have we not, AJ Hawk.

[H]

We have seen it take down lots of people. You are correct.

[A]

People that say they're good golfers get taken down. What's that? Yeah, that's the spot. Now, hold on, Coach. Is there three balls there or how many balls you got? Three balls. You got to go one of three. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, here we go.

[A]

There it is. There we go. You got to go 2 of 4. You got to go 2 of 4 here to make it only 8ft. Now it does break a little bit. Right and left.

[D]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Gotta find the right spine. You played just a few days ago on your birthday. Correct. You played well. You putted well. Okay, let's go. You make two out of four, we'll give 20 people $500 who repost this video and say something kind. AJ Hawk is about to give you a motivational speech if you'd like to hear it.

[H]

B.A. i am not here to give you a motivational speech. You don't need one. Just go drink four out of four right there and call it a day.

[A]

He wasn't listening. He didn't have his headphones. And thank God. Thank God he did it because of what you said. We're trying to get some winners around here, Ty. Why? He's gonna make.

[H]

He's gonna drain them all. Brute. BA Knows he's gonna drain them all. He doesn't need to just make two out of four. You gonna double it if he makes four out of four?

[A]

Oh, yes. Yes, I will. Yes, I will. And he'll be coming out of your check. Ty, anything to say to Coach B.A. as he tries to do the impossible?

[D]

Yeah, B.A. you've told us that, you know, you've. You've let a couple of your putters go, you know, take a. Take a dive in the water. The urgency and quickness with which you picked up the long putter makes me think that's in his bag right now. And he used this over the weekend. Maybe. Let's go. Right in the heart of the cup. Sink these.

[E]

Oh, no, I really like this one. On this surface.

[D]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

On this surface on this day. Okay. Okay. Long.

[C]

Here we go.

[A]

And synthetic. Let's get some authentic buckets from Coach B.A. oh, he's got.

[D]

Oh, with the super bowl ring.

[J]

Hold on.

[A]

With the super bowl ring up there on the top. It's got to go. Two of four.

[B]

Smooth.

[A]

Wow. La.

[C]

Are you me?

[A]

Perfect pace, too. The touch is real from the QB whisperer. He's got a Super bowl championship ring on top of a putter.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That's 20 winners of $500. Now if he makes both of these, there's a chance that we double this thing. Holy. Stop. Yeah, right.

[D]

Oh, Bruce, it's been locked in. Bruce, it's been his laser.

[A]

Pause, pause. Hold the on. Hold on. Bruce Connor has some thoughts on your putting stroke. I think he like to give you before you try to do the impossible. And make all four putts here at the Thunderdome.

[C]

I'm going to be honest. I thought when you grabbed that putter, you were the goofiest son of a Ever to step on that green. And now that you're three or three, all of a sudden I might get back into golf and I might get.

[A]

One of those big. You're inspiring people back to the sport here. You're driving sales of long putters. Now, I do think the added benefit of the super bowl ring does help. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good little anchor. All right, Coach. All you gotta do is make this putt and we'll give 40 people 500.

[D]

My God.

[A]

On his ba d.

[C]

Walked it off.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

No one's ever done that.

[B]

Whatever Thunderdome is.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

No one's ever done that either.

[A]

No one's ever done that either.

[B]

Thunderdome.

[A]

This sounds unbelievable. Bruce. Wow.

[B]

Holy. No one should do that again.

[C]

Give me so.

[A]

Wow. Unreal.

[C]

That was an honor to watch.

[B]

Never a doubt.

[H]

Good job, B.A. good job.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

He liked it on this surface.

[A]

Dude, that putter. This surface with a walk off. What a run. Good for you. Happy BA Dating. Thank you, brother. All you gotta do is repost this video, say something nice to somebody and put the easiest way to pay you. And you might be randomly selected to be one of 40 winners of $500. Because B.A. can't miss.

[C]

That was sick.

[A]

Thank you for today, B.A. that was awesome. All right. We'll be back tomorrow. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. You're the greatest people on earth. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice that might change this life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. B.A. anything you said to the team. Team.

[E]

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[A]

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