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Host
We've been doing something that's now become a full time segment. It feels like.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, oh yeah.
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Host
Where we get break down the top five headlines coming out of the week of NFL Sunday football and we call it the first 15. Now we put a 15 minute clock on the screen. I don't know if you know this D but we put a 15 because it's like 15 minutes is what we're hoping it would take. First 15 though, is indicative of the first 15 plays that are scripted for an offense. So this is basically our scripted portion of the show. This is the first 15. Then we'll react to how the stories go. It's driven by Ram, but this has become a real thing. Darius J.
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Co-host 2
But yeah, I mean we obviously do great with scripted things. So we've been nailing it right on this 15 minute mark every week. So hopefully we stick to it.
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Host
Yeah, that's the thing is we have the blocks. Just every word is in there. Yeah. And that's why whenever you say, hey, why don't you go ahead and start that 15, we know that we're going to get this accomplished. Let's start the 15 minute clock and let's go to number five headline coming out of the weekend was Herbert the right pick all along. Now you go back to that draft, obviously Tua got picked four, Herbert gets picked five. Who goes number one overall? Joe Burrow. And after what we just saw from Justin Herbert and what we're expecting from his entire career, how he handles himself off the field, how he's built, how he's been able to kind of navigate so many different transitional periods of such a young career already with different offense coordinators, different buildings, you name it. Now he's got Harbaugh and Harbaugh might make this guy become goat. There's a chance. Justin Herbert has greatest of all time conversation whenever it's all said and done 10, 15 years because of how incredibly athletic he has been, he leads another comeback for the Chargers against the Miami Dolphins. Let's go to the third quarter. Finds his boy lodge McCarthy. They will have a big one later in the game, but they seemingly on the same page. He extends the play, rolls to his right, drops an absolute dime dbut before he hits Kamani Vital. This man out of Troy, he was a third team all American two years ago. Becomes a sensation for this Los Angeles Chargers team and once again Justin Herbert's doing it all. This guy's a magic man. This guy's a mag. It's not just deep shots and layups. He's also hitting the intermediate shots 10 to 20 yards. He has more yards than anybody else in the NFL. So whenever you talk about methodically breaking down a defense, Justin Herbert's doing it all. And then they can't. Let's go late to the Tua answers Tua. 4th quarter, 50 some seconds left, top play, gotta put it on center Darren Waller always open whenever he's a Miami Dolphin. Tua Tongvaloa has his moment. Yeah. Holy hell. Tua Tongvaloa just drove back on Justin Herbert. I was the right pick all along. This is going to be a great day to be a Miami Dolphin. Holy hell. Well, Naim Hines got a kickoff return. He took that thing out and then all of a sudden, Justin Herbert had the opportunity to do a play that is going to be etched in Harbaugh's memory forever.
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Analyst D
That play would be burned in my mind until they throw dirt over top of me. Justin Herbert back to throw, defender wrapped around him. Just mighty man it, lad McConkie. Ladd does his stop fly by and starts getting that necessary yardage. And here comes Zion Johnson flying ahead of Ladd. Gets that block shielded and you know there's another 20. Yeah, I'm gonna remember that play till they throw dirt over top of me. That's how great I feel about, feel about that.
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Host
Harbaugh says, hey, when they got that mahogany and then they put the dirt and then I no longer got life and soul and breath. I'm gonna remember that one and talk about that one. Because this could be season defining play for this Chargers team if they were to win this game against Miami Dolphins, which was so damn improbable. I actually got some stats about how the probability was before and after that play on win percentages. And I'll be honest, if I was better at reading what the hell these stats meant and how it was actually anywhere near not bullshit, I would have certainly said it. But nonetheless, that was improbable. That was something that wasn't supposed to happen. And instead they come together and you heard Harbaugh talk about Zion Johnson, extra block, talking about the culture. Yep, sure, lad. McConkey doing his thing, Mighty Man Herbert doing his thing. And then it leads to Cameron Dicker and this man, has he missed? No, he hasn't. He'd make this 14 of 14 on the year, therefore. And two, there were times earlier in the season where we thought maybe this Harbaugh harbor team was going to be crap. Maybe they were going to be shite. Maybe this whole buildup that we're talking about 300, $400 million in a brand new practice facility out there in Los Angeles. Maybe it was all a waste of money. Maybe this team is going to be the same old Chargers every single time. And now beating up on the Dolphins with less than 35 seconds left in the game, we're saying, was Herbert the number one overall pick all along? Is this the team that's going to go on a run? We shall see in an AFC that is seemingly wide open, except for at the very tippy tippy top D. But you've been on the Chargers for a few years now because you love Justin Herbert.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
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Host
What have you seen from him this season or just in this game that makes you believe maybe the Chargers can win the whole damn thing? And their Chargers faithful would obviously love.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, I mean it's been since he's been in the league, honestly. And this is had a part of that stat up there in the graphic. 18 game winning drives only behind Patrick Mahomes since coming into the league. So he's never been an issue. You kind of mentioned all the different offensive coordinators, the different head coaches. We know that Jim Harbaugh is a winner. He builds winners wherever he goes so that he's put the right team around him, the right play callers. Everything's kind of going right now. As far as the question if he was the right pick, you know, it's kind of revisionist. Hit Joe Burrow. Obviously he's the Heisman winner. He was a no brainer, number one pick, been to a Super bowl, already has playoff wins. Tua. Look, a lot of the league were tanking for Tua at one point. Now, he did have the major hip injury that caused some concerns and questions. But Herbert has been doing everything right since coming into the league. But he's still got to win in the playoffs just like Tua does. So I'll hold off on that. Is he the right pick? But he's been doing everything right this year so far.
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Host
Certainly gave us an opportunity to say it in rubbing and gumpy's face. That is the only reason why we did this. Now let's go to. Because he hates it. Oh, everybody's a genius now. Okay. Because he says pasta and water helps him with concussions. Now all of a sudden everybody would have drafted her, but. Okay, okay. Yeah, it's a Dolphin's faul. Okay. Bunch of knobs losing.
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Analyst E
Exactly.
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Host
That's exactly.
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Co-host 2
Who in number two?
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Host
Chase.
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Analyst E
Yeah, yeah, Chase.
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Host
And then Akuda.
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Co-host 1
Yep.
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Host
And then Tua. And then Justin Herbert. Joe Burrow.
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Co-host 2
Okay, yeah.
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Host
Chase, Akuda, Tua, Herbert, and Tom Tesco, who's general manager of the Chargers, said, whoever the Dolphins pick school with us. Yep, we're sc.
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Co-host 2
That was kind of.
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Host
But we wanted Herbert all along is what he kind of said. But everybody did kind of have two slotted there. Joey Burrow obviously has the year that he has lsu and it cements himself as the Ohio kid. He's going to be the number one overall pick. Then there was a little chatter maybe now that we know the business a little bit better, that's potentially from the agents of TUA and Herbert. Maybe I don't want to put it on anybody saying he's going to say no, he won't get. He will turn down the Cincinnati Bengals if they were to draft him number one overall. Do you remember that entire conversation?
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Co-host 2
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Host
I think we were even like, what if this guy, you know, because what.
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Co-host 1
The Bengals, looking back on, whoa, that's.
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Host
A Pittsburgh Steeler fan. And we will talk about them later. Cincinnati Bengals aren't in a great spot, but I do appreciate the fact that Joe Flack got hot late.
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Analyst E
He did.
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Host
And Jamar Chase started doing his damn thing. It was fun to watch. They're exciting, they're explosive. Is it a winning brand of football? We shall see. We talk about it. Was he the right pick all along? 2 obviously gets drafted to the Miami Dolphins and he kind of go ahead five and six. Yeah, sorry, five and six. TUA gets drafted one ahead of Justin Herbert. Yikes. That's on me. Should have known that exact number there going in. But nonetheless. So that leads to something we like to call number four headline of the weekend. Tough scenes.
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Analyst F
Oh no, oh no.
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Host
Oh no. We literally just talked about tua. Okay. TUA had that game winner less than a minute left. Yeah.
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Co-host 2
Unbelievable. Stop defense.
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Host
Get a stop, get a stop, get a stop. TUA has game winning drive in final minute of fourth quarter against Justin Herbert. Could be narrative, could be story, could be the. That could be number five.
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Analyst E
It could be two with the right pick.
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Host
All along. That could have been that entire thing. But instead Herbert Ladd, Zion Johnson, Cameron Dicker, the whole team, we hear it, we see it. And then that leads to a post game that is not a positive one about a last minute game winning touchdown drive. Instead it's about, hey, what's the state of the culture? And Tua, I don't know if this is prepared or not. I think personally decided to utilize this as a time to speak to his teammates, you know, like coaches talk to Their locker room, through the media. Sometimes they'll get messages through the media to their players. Well, guys know that they're not going to England to see Paris. Like that's a message through the media that they're hoping gets to the players. Our offense obviously wasn't nice together. That's a message. They're trying to get to the point, trying to set the tone maybe before the first team meeting. Like, hey, here's this. I'm trying to. It's been happening since the beginning of time. I think Tua tried to do that through the media, to talk to his team, into his locker room. Just what he chose to say. Everybody's saying he's. Worst thing you could probably say is the quarterback the leader of the team.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
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Analyst G
Well, I think it starts with the leadership in, in helping articulate that for the guys. And then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this. Are we getting that? Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up to player only meetings late. Guys not showing up to player only meeting. Like, there's a lot that goes into that. Do we have to make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory? So. So it, it's, it's a lot of. It's a lot of things of that nature that we gotta get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.
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Host
So I think Tua in his eyes, in his mind, are probably trying to be a good quarterback for this team. And then things aren't happening and he decides to kind of air his teammates out through the media. Every X player has spoken about this and said, this is a terrible decision. This is not how you should go about doing this, especially if you're not a winning program and have a winning thing going. He owned up to throwing three interceptions, but that's a part of it. We. Whenever he said team leadership, so he's putting himself in there saying, we gotta do a better job. So he does take a little bit of accountability. But throwing your teammates under the bus for things that nobody even knows that your teammates are doing yet you kind of present a situation and I say, but in this situation, they're doing terrible things. It's just not a good thing in the locker room is what everybody has been saying. Basically.
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Co-host 2
Yeah. And that's very, very brave of you, trying to get in to his brain and try to think what he's thinking.
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Host
Pasta, pizza and water. I mean, that's brain, right?
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Co-host 2
You know, every team is different. Some people may be confused out there. The difference between like players only meetings, you know, those kind of come to Jesus moments. Kind of like a player led meeting. So in my experience, we our players only meetings during the season was like the units like defensive unit, like back seven, no defensive line. But after Friday we get done with practice and we go and go over 15, 20 play script maybe of what the team likes to do and we go over our communications. Down left, hey, nickel left, nickel right. All those different things. I'm sure offenses do similar things. So those are the things that he's talking about. I would assume players not showing up to. And the only people that can police that are the players. The best teams that you've been on, I would guarantee the players kind of police the room. So I don't, I don't know what his point was kind of getting that out there, but I would say less, less talking from tool would be better going forward, in my opinion.
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Host
It does seem like every time we hear something from the Dolphins, we find something go, this team is stupid.
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Analyst D
Yeah.
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Host
You know, this team is not running. Your South Florida boy Gumpy, obviously you've been riding this alongside of him. McDaniel, his little tag on his shoe last week.
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Analyst E
Yeah, that should have been the coup de grace.
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Host
But once again, minute left, opening drive.
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Analyst E
Yeah.
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Host
Against the Chargers, which everybody has, they had that. And then all of a sudden, mighty band does his thing. It wasn't the only tough scene. Obviously we all woke up with it yesterday. And to London, we don't like to do this often to England because you know a lot of stuff. But we would like to apologize for that game. Yeah, okay. That game was hand up. That was tough. Yeah. It's on us to get for you guys having that one. And I think there's been a lot of bad games. Hembo sent me a stat though, that basically said that was by far the worst one. I mean, the 20 combined first downs in yesterday's London game were seven fewer than any international game in NFL history. This was by far the worst one of all time. So we'd like to say governor sore about it. But on that note, a ridiculous thing happened right before half that you guys won't often get to see right before half. People are saying it's a tough scene. Aaron Glenn, obviously first year head coach, former defensive coordinator from the Detroit Lions, doesn't normally have to deal with all the situational shit on the defensive side of the ball. Probably has somebody in his game situation camp that is in his ear. Has his ear. No timeouts. Obviously it starts with like 20 some seconds on the clock. That's fourth and one. Okay? So this is a tough situation for a team to be in, okay? Especially if your quarterback at the time was 17 yards. He had thrown for, okay, 17 yards in the half and at the end of the game would end up with a net negative 10 yards passing. And the reason why it's negative 10 yards is because sacks count against your pass yards. They gave up nine sacks for negative 55 yards. He only passed for 45 or 47 yards. So you start doing some math. He had negative net. So Aaron Glenn, I think, wasn't a 100% confident that they were going to be able to pick up maybe two yards to get a first down there on a quick out. Everybody's like, hey, fourth and one, you only need one yard here. There's no timeouts or playing off coverage. Okay, we'll throw a quick out, pick up a first down, will we? We've thrown for 17 yards. We. Aaron Glenn's trying to figure that out in real time. Yeah, it's not really a situation that comes up on a very regular basis because if you give them the ball right there, you pick up four or five yards, that's a field goal. So it's like, this could be a real swing, tough situation, obviously mismanaged. And then Garrett Wilson comes out afterwards, goes, I have no idea what the plan was. And then when I heard what the plan was, I was disappointed. I don't love it. But there was one answer. We think, like, every team is going to talk about this situation around the league. We do think there was an answer.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, that was short around the league, but I think it was just a Hail Mary. You get to that point until you're like, we just saw a first year head coach kind of learn something in real time. We always hear head coaches say, hey, there is no manual that comes with it.
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Host
It.
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Co-host 2
And it's easy for us, especially once the half is over, to say what we got to say. But, yeah, you just got to throw the Hail Mary there, Give yourself a chance to get something positive there. But he was like, but it has.
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Host
To be last play of half. Got to be last three seconds, four seconds or whatever. And if you wanted to do the out, you would have to do like six, five seconds so that maybe you get one more play. If you want to get it closer, maybe kick a field goal, get a little bit closer there. But if you drop that or don't complete that, yeah, they gotta play, they gotta play. Now, going the other way, there was a Lot going on. But I think with how shite the game was that situation happening and it being the jets franchise just kind of, this is a clown show. Why is this what we would send to London? Kind of rude of us.
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Analyst E
Yeah.
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Co-host 1
It also wasn't even just that last play, like their whole, that whole drive, like Kurt Warner was losing his mind for the entire two minutes. It was, it was, yes, the last player, whatever, but the whole drive was, was a weird situation.
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Host
Aaron Glenn was then asked afterwards if Justin Fields are still going to be the quarterback. And he had a little bit of a reaction about how dumb of a question that was. Basically he has come out since then and said this.
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Coach or Team Official
You know what, here's what. You know, I thought about this a lot last night. I thought about the question that was asked. And when you look at what Justin did, the games that he played, listen, I didn't think he was bad at all. I actually thought he did some pretty good things. And those four games, in this fifth game, he took a step back, you know, and I'm with you guys 100%. And we can't have that, you know, we have to have get better than that. And he knows that, and he knows that better than anyone, you know. So I don't think you just try to bench a player after having one true bad game because I thought the other games he played fairly well.
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Host
Aaron Glenn's got his players back. I think that's what you're hearing right there. And I'd like to think that literally right before half that whole thing, he was just trying to get to the locker room. Yeah, he was just trying to get to the locker room. However the hell we can get through right now, they're going to say the clock's going to run to zero and we're going to be able to go inside if we don't do anything else.
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Analyst F
Do that.
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Host
Let's get the hell out of here. This Denver Broncos defense is no joke. I mean, they are on a historic run. Vance Joseph right now is on pace for 85 sacks. Their defense, which would crush the record of 72, obviously, which is the previous record, they're averaging five sacks per game and they have a 10 sack lead on the rest of the NFL right now. Okay, so this jets offense, there certainly might be some question marks and Justin Fields might not be a top five quarterback in the NFL at this stage of his career or maybe ever in his career whenever it comes to, you know, delivering the ball and point guarding and everything like that. But I think this Denver Broncos Defense is a defense that will expose you. I think they will expose whether or not you have a good quarterback or a good offense. So I think it's a good kind of thermostat or a kind of judgment, a good comp on how you're going to be. They're going to do that to a lot of teams that don't have great offense.
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Co-host 2
Oh, yeah, Great litmus test. Because when you go, it's not just the quarterback, it's the offensive coordinator, it's the offensive line, it's the running backs. Are you going to be able to protect? Because they're going to keep applying pressure, which a couple weeks ago and they came and played the Colts and it came down that last second field goal. They blitzed Daniel Jones like 70% of his drop backs and only sacked him once. So that lets you know how well the Colts are being coached, how well Daniel Jones is playing the quarterback.
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Host
On that note, let's go to number three headline. Cheryl. We. Boy, six weeks into the season, we see some mvp.
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Co-host 2
Oh, yeah.
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Host
Oh, we see some out there now there's a couple omitted. All right, if their team lost, sure. Okay. So if their team lost, we weren't going to put them on here. Okay. And if their team almost got close to losing to Joe Flacco's team, we all know we didn't put him on the odds, but I get it either. Okay. So there's a couple quarterbacks that are certainly in the running, especially whenever it comes to the odds, if you're betting on them, but their teams didn't win, so we didn't put them up here. There's also a quarterback that's 40 plus years old that is not even on the odds, really. And if the Pittsburgh Steelers continue to win, they're 4 and 1. They already have the buy. It's going to be a long road. But if they end up 14 and 3, like whatever the case, if they just continue to do that, Aaron Rodgers name is definitely going to be up for mvp. I mean, that's. No, if you want to sprinkle that right now, you probably get incredible odds on it. But we're seeing about six guys that got some big time dubs that we're appreciating and respecting their game. Baker Mayfield. Let's go to number six, shall we? This guy's awesome. This guy is awesome. Everything about him. Stock explodes through his upper body. And all Baker does is get up and say, yup, give me more of that. Give me more. His entire energy has radiated through the Entire Tampa Bay area, not just, obviously the locker room, they love this dude. I love this dude. And it's been incredible to watch him explode. Top four wide receivers out.
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Co-host 2
Who cares?
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Host
Give me Tez Johnson out of Oregon D. Budge.
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Co-host 2
I mean, some people are chanting MVP after this guy scores a touchdown. Maybe hit this flip as well. But, yeah, what Baker Mayfield is doing right now, man, anybody that has that buccaneer shit on, player, coach, training staff, anybody, fans, everybody associated with this team right now is buzzing because of what number six is doing at quarterbacks, regardless of who's out there lined up with. So shout out to him leading his team to a 5 and 1 start. And all of them have been kind of close games that he had to find a way to win at the beginning.
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Host
He had no tackles right at the beginning of the season, had no tackles. Now they got no wide receivers. Well, they do. And Ted's hitting that hiya. And the Jeez Louise moment of the weekend was him going, man, I only did one. This is Taz Johnson after the game about what was being chanted about.
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Player or Guest
I'm telling you a funny story.
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Co-host 2
This is crazy.
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Player or Guest
When I score and I hit mvp. Mvp Champ. I'm thinking, talking about me. So I asked Shep Fair. I'm like, shep, they was chanting mvp. He was like, yeah. I was like, I ain't do nothing this year. And then he was like, they talking about Baker Tess? I was like, well, that explains it. But he is the mvp. The one he got the first down on.
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Host
Well, that explains it. He is the mvp, though. Man, that is incredible stuff. I love their team. I love the culture they have.
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Analyst F
Well, and even just like, the throws are unbelievable. All this stuff is so good.
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Host
And.
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Analyst F
And he's at the point now. Just like the other guys were like, hey, it doesn't matter who's out there. The third and 14 run is just like, pure will to win. Yeah. Like, not every. It doesn't matter what quarterback you are. Like, I don't know who else is making this play. You can say Josh Allen and Mahomes and stuff. I mean, this is ridiculous. Just wanting to win, wanting the first down just more. I mean, there's a one point game right now, and I don't know what down after it came. It was either the next play or a couple plays after. That's what led to the Tez Johnson touchdown. It's just. That's just a solo effort. Unbelievable. He really should win the mvp. I hope everybody just stays healthy on this list just because they are all Playing great football.
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Host
On that note, Baker talking his shit immediately afterwards. Understands the moment. Been around. He's at his best Case. Yeah. Body language is insane for the rest of the team. Let's talk about another guy who's in the MVP conversation. Drake May. Listen. Drake May is everything that I think Conor had hoped he would be. Conor talked about his greatness last year. Year they'd be getting their asses beat. And he'd say, hey, we got a guy though. This quarterback's making four, five plays a game that make you say he understands what he's doing. They're talking about his footwork coming out of college. He's going to be inaccurate. He's not going to be. He learned. He figured it out. He's not going to have to face. He's not going to be able to dissect the defenses. He's learned. He's figured it out. Is he going to be tough enough to take those hits? You know, he led North Carolina in rushing and passing one season. Is he going to be able to rush in the NFL? He might be able to take away one of his. He can. He runs people over and he's seemingly always jovial. This guy's leadership is like, here we go, boys. Feels like he is. Here we go, boys type guy, which I didn't know was possible to win with. And then you team that up with Vrael and it's like this is like the perfect match made in heaven up there. You guys got to be absolutely jacked that you have, dare I say it, a more handsome, a more athletic wide. Is he taller?
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Co-host 2
I mean, I don't know who I know you compare.
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Host
Is he taller right now than M. Jones?
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Co-host 2
Yeah, he is.
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Host
No, no. You better not even date than Bailey.
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Analyst F
Yeah, same sentence as Matt Jones. Height.
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Co-host 2
Just tall.
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Host
Just let him finish. Let him finish and let him go where he was going. Is this guy the 20, 25 younger generation?
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Co-host 2
Oh, my God.
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Host
More mobile version of Tom Brady. Is that what's going on in New England?
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Analyst E
Right?
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Host
He's handsome. Have you seen him? Oh, yeah. He's incredibly handsome.
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Co-host 1
Handsome to Tom.
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Host
I don't know. Well, which time are we talking about exactly?
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Analyst E
But.
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Host
Well, we're talking about 24 years old right now.
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Analyst E
You have to go butt chin Tom.
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Analyst F
Well, yeah, well, that's the thing. If just going to go like, hey, no work done to your body. Yeah, Drake May is obviously better. But the other thing about Drake May is like he's already an adult. You know, he's 23 years old, but he's already married the King and queen of New England people are calling the new maze and it is unbelievable. Everything he does is great and like we can talk about him forever. I legitimately could talk about him forever. But something AQ kind of pointed out last week to me, Josh McDaniels coming back has been a huge reason for his success. Just the way the offense goes, it's very smooth debut said to me before the show show like Drake May has entered the conversation where when he's throwing the ball and the ball leaves the screen and they got to track it, it doesn't matter, you know, it's going to be some sort of good ball, some sort of, you know.
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Analyst E
Right.
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Analyst F
Read Everything he does is perfect. I really don't know how it can get better than this. Winning the super bowl, of course, but this is the happiest, you know, and most excited I've been about a football team with a football team since. Since Tom Brady beating the Rams in.
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Host
The super bow, obviously. Vrabel back to he's awesome. His dramatics on the sideline. I forgot about how spectacular they are. I guess these refs weren't necessarily on your guys side down there.
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Analyst F
Dude, I don't think, I don't think it's, it's, it's necessary for the first 15 because this needs to be its own 15. Just about the referees and it's not really just about this game. It's about the idea that if this referee crew was on a Colts Bills, hey, huge game deciding who the one seed is. This was a pass interference call and.
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Host
You'Re going to say against the fondness.
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Analyst F
Against the fond Diggs on the second 60 yard touchdown to pop Douglas and you're going to say oh well where's the, where's the flag? This is what it was. And I and I actually made D. But look at it because D but actually knows football and I'm just a Patriots fan but D butt said, I don't get it. This is the worst call I've ever seen. If you actually watch the all 22, you can't see when the flag is thrown. And both teams had their special teams units on the field. That's not the play. Both teams had their special teams unit units on the field for the extra point because they already celebrated. The defense already walked off, the offense already walked off and then they called the passenger fear and so I don't know who the crew is. I'm glad that the Patriots won just because I didn't have to come on here today. And say, hey, Roger Goodell. There's seven terrorists that work for the NFL and they're wearing black and white stripes and they refereed the game in New Orleans yesterday. This is the play and for some reason, again, you're not going to see a flag. It's not going to pop up on the broadcast. It's not going to show on the bottom. Touchdown celebration. Incredible play. Look at Drake May too in the pocket. Oh, yeah, he has bad feet. That matters.
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Host
Strike.
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Analyst F
And then a touchdown. But instead he gets called back for a pass interference. So again, this is more.
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Host
Pass interference is 10 yards down the field on the sideline. We just showed with Stefan Diggs just because it's getting him worked up here.
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Co-host 2
Unbelievable.
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Host
Stefan Diggs was 30, 40 yards away from the play. I mean, he is nowhere near the play play. And even if he was right on top of the play, people would argue that this right here, you're going to call offensive pass interference right there. I don't know if that's the thing. And then the timing of it happening late, you have to think to yourself, wait, how are they working against the Patriots? And then this empowers the Patriots even more, by the way. Oh, yeah, Frable's on the sideline trying to talk to this ref. Nobody's listening. There's a shot of Frable's head just going back. Mind blown by the officials. And then for them to get a win there, all the massholes just, oh, they're against us again. Oh, they're against us again. They're trying to hold it. They don't want to see it again. That's what the New England Patriots fan fans feel like. Now we can't talk about Drake May the entire time, even though we should think about it. Sam Darnold, also former Minnesota Vikings quarterback and obviously everybody remembers his time in New York not going great well with the Seattle Seahawks. This dude has become a guy for their entire organization. Remember, they're moving on. Jackson Smith, Njigba has like a bunch of records right now. He is absolutely crushing him. And Sam Darnold have crush since the beginning. And Njigba, by the way, is a Sierra Leone name. I believe his grandfather came to the United States of America. It's a story that we read online is accurate. And the American that took him in, basically his last name was Smith. So his name is Jackson Smith n' Jigba. N' Jigba is his grandfather's name from Sierra Leone. And Smith is the. I forget the name. Do you remember the name?
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Analyst E
Sponsor, sponsor.
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Host
Or whatever it was coming in there. That's it. Because we looked it up because it's like such a cool name. It is. Jackson, Smith and Jigba is a cool name. The story also awesome. His family story is incredible. And what he's doing with Darnold, outrageous. They just let him out of the building over there in Minnesota. I wonder if they thought it was just going to be a, you know, a one hit wonder. Sam Donald's all the way back and McDonald loves him.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, he's all the way back. He is third in the NFL in passing yards behind Stafford and Dak. He is fifth in touchdowns. He's got 11 touchdowns, the three interceptions and these balls that you're seeing like to JSN and Cooper cup there they are absolutely perfect. Like there is nowhere else that you could throw these balls. He's on fire right now leading this off offense with jsn, with Cooper cup, with some, with the tight end. Sam Darl's playing really, really good football.
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Host
Yeah, Sam Darnold's in the MVP conversation. You know who else is here in Indianapolis? Danny Dimes. Now Danny Dimes can run and he can obviously spin it. That's why the Dimes name is out there. They're calling him Indiana Jones cuz he saved our state. But I'll tell you, whenever he's playing, he saved the Colts franchise as well. We are a very boring franchise. We had the capability of winning games but it was going to be a grind it out type game. We have the ability now to win any style of game. You know if it's going to be a dog fight, we can do it. If it's going to be a shootout for some reason, if our defense can't get stops, if our corners are maybe not able to be in the right place, if our corners are going to get knocked out of the game before the game even starts while doing a warmup, a pretty huge shining for us doesn't even make it to game time because there's a miscommunication in warm and he ends up getting a concussion before the game even starts. There's like a chance that maybe our defense isn't going to be able to get a stop. We were able to win. Now this is a sad moment.
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Co-host 2
It can't happen.
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Host
Boom, bang. Ogletree shoulder, mooney's head concussion. 11:50am Obviously game kickoff at 1. Debone and my mom were already at the game in the suite that we have. They sent a text of just people gathered around. Somebody had no idea if somebody Maybe fell, heard it was a concussion, wondered if maybe some of football was punted and hit him in the head. Because in those pre pre workout there is like kind of a rules of engagement on how it all goes which I think is what a lot of people are questioning with your various Ward and Ogletree's situation. There is kind of like unwritten rules on how the pre, pre. Pre warm up kind of works.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, you, you usually probably the first one out there, first or second one out there with you and the kickers. But for us, you know, we go out there depending on home or away. Like where do you warm up? Who do you warm up with? But you got to be aware of where kind of other people are on the field. You see, you know you got the fourth down army snap holder and kicker. But as far as the coaches even throwing these, it was Ogletree and Ward. So the coaches, you see the coaches were yard line. So yeah. So both on the 30 yard line basically going in and they're throwing the ball. So I think them and the actual players warming up got to be on the same page to make sure you're not going out while I'm going in. You can't have something like this happen to any player, let alone your big time offseason 20 million dollar year cornerback.
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Host
And on that note, I'm surprised more injuries don't happen in these situations. Just after seeing it, I was like, I was like man, I don't know why I didn't ever think that this could possibly happen. I mean I almost sniped Tim tebow from like 75 yards away. That would have been a.
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Co-host 2
Those are the toughest ones.
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Host
The punts. Yeah.
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Co-host 2
When you got punts coming from. Yeah. Kicks. But when you're throwing the ball like we all remember the pregame with was it Tucker and. Or Bucker.
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Host
Travis.
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Co-host 2
Travis. So like you, you're kind of aware of who's warming up where. So you got to be aware obviously where your ball. You have more control with the ball that's being thrown than the ball that's being kicked. But that can't happen in the Anthony Richardson thing alone. Like I'm like what the. Before all of the some details came out you're like what the hell is going on with the Colts pregame warm up. But all that being said, I think.
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Host
The Anthony Richardson I think he was using a band band. And then something. I think the band pulled something like from what I. Because band you immediately think I had a friend whenever I was growing up playing soccer I was a teenager. He was getting band working. Things snapped, came back, hit him in the, like, ripped his hamstring. Oh, the metal thing, like, came in. He, like, had to get surgery. He was out. He was a very good player too. Like, I know. I was like 14 years old. I think it was the very beginning of, like, band, like, treatments, I think I had no idea teenagers were using him. And he's like, yeah, he's out, or whatever. What happened? Like, band snapped, snapped over his hamstring. It's like, oh, my God, that's scary as hell. I'm a big band user guy, but there is always a fear that the band's gonna snap and you're gonna get one. Yeah. So I thought that was immediately what it is. I guess that wasn't the case. I guess there's potentially something. I don't know. Orbital bone. I mean, he was in hospital.
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Analyst E
Yeah.
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Host
Chavez ward. And then Marvin Harrison Jr. His head smacks off the turf really hard. He got taken in. And then there was a special teamer. I don't know. I don't know his name. I should know his name. For the Arizona Cardinals, he got carted off with a neck. Like, he had a neck incident. They took the face mask off the helmet. They took a face mask off the helmet. He was kind of. He was strapped down to the cart and they took him off and it was like, damn, that looks very, very scary. I guess they released him from the hospital. He flew back with the team. But yesterday, there was a lot happening at that Indianapolis Colts game. And on that note, Colts were able to get a win. A lot going on. Able to get a win. That Arizona Cardinals team, Jacoby was spinning it. Oh, yeah, Jacoby was spinning it. Absolutely. But Danny Dimes gets it also. Patrick Mahomes, he's come back into the scene and said, oh, yeah, you forgot about me. You have, you have, you have forgot about me. The Kansas City Chiefs offense has obviously looked much better over the past few weeks than had for maybe a year and a half or so. And I think if you listen to the Kansas City Chiefs people or people talk about what the Kansas City Chiefs are saying, they feel better about their team now at this point of the season than they did last year. And last year they got to the super bowl. They got Rasheed Rice coming back. Okay, so they still got the little trick em, you know, slick em type operations. Patrick Mahomes is doing Patrick Mahomes stuff, but they got another weapon coming back who's very fast and very tough to get so if you think about what Worthy's been able to do and Travis Kelce seemingly back to being Travis Kelce, Pacheco, running this thing. Juju, Smith, Schuster, he's in the middle of some stuff, I guess after the game. Obviously with Brian Branch, that was a wild scene. I don't think any of us could have expected that. But if you think about where this Chiefs team is headed, it's like Patrick Mahomes, MVP conversations are about four or five weeks away from being full throated brother. I mean, that is going to be coming around the corner.
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Analyst E
Yeah, they're coming and they're coming big time. Because a lot, A lot of the, you know, talk, at least on like the Internet around Mahomes is, this guy's a baby. All he does is bait people and then pout to the refs. Mahomes is getting blasted week in and week out. And like, under his own volition, like, he's running and seeking out contact. So if. If you were, you know, thinking that like Mahomes maybe thought everything was too sweet, like, no, he. He just. I think they kind of reminded everybody last night, like, hey, we're not dead. We can hit that, that next gear when we need to. And yeah, I mean, once they actually get fully healthy here, look out for the Chiefs and Mahomes too, because he's heard everything everyone's saying and this is.
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Co-host 1
Not a good thing. But he also leads the team in rushing as well.
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Host
Yeah, and the rushing goes back to Ty's point. He took like three shots to the back on one play last night right at the first down marker and he just like kept going and then gets right up. Takes a big time shot. Gets up. I think Hutch hit him late. Yeah, Hutch hit him late. He got right back up. It's like Patrick Mahomes has a lot of do him. I think he's reminding everybody. Yeah, is sweet. I own a soccer team. I own. I own a baseball team. My resume is already a go conversation. I'm a dog, though, who still drinks Coors Lights. And it feels like they're getting better and better. The Lions. Are you guys completely out on yourselves after losing that game? No, everything's a. Okay. That was more about the Chiefs than the Lions. We'll bounce back next week. Well, what about Brian Branch afterwards? That doesn't feel like an MC D? That's really funny. Bring that up because everyone's calling Brian Branch selfish. But I really think, think what he was doing was a favor to everyone that's ever wanted to smack juju in the mouth. Okay. You know what's so funny?
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Co-host 2
I didn't expect me. Thank you, Brian.
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Host
Thank you, Brian.
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Analyst F
Love you, Brian.
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Host
Now, on that note, mcdc came out and said, this ain't us, man. This will be. This is. We don't cheap shot people. Juju going, yeah, what up? Screaming at sideline and, oh, what up, Branch? How you doing, man? I just got a pretty good block. And he. About three minutes ago, you saw. Bang, boom. So Branch came out and said, there. There was a memory. He's blindsided. There was a block. Whatever the case, this is not good for ball, especially with two of our best teams.
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Co-host 2
That can't happen.
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Host
Right there. This. Yeah, all of this can't happen. You know, what's that? Getting tossed on your back.
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Co-host 2
Yeah. I mean, what brand? Branch, obviously, that can't happen.
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Host
He pulled his ears, too, when he was.
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Co-host 2
That's bush league. But if you're juju and you decide he was kind of in the moment there. Do I lay here on the ground? I don't know. I got to get up. Game's over. Not getting the flag. So he came and attacked him. But you already have a teammate on him. You then can't get manhandled by Brian Branch with one arm when you're coming. So that's a bad look for juju. He was bleeding. It was rough for him, so it wasn't good. And. And you don't want. This is a black eye for NFL. For the NFL in general. So Dan Campbell, I'm sure he addressed it with Brian Branch before he went and spoke to the media as well. But, yeah, I'm. I'll be interested to see how they handle this with Brian Brad Branch, because he is kind of in that Draymond Green kind of category when it comes to being fine, having different things going between and after the whistle. So I hope they don't suspend him, but we'll see. I'm sure at least a hefty fine, maybe even a suspension.
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Host
I agree. There's probably going to be a lot because the NFL cannot have this happen. I mean, fights after games used to happen back in the play. Look at the camera. Camera people. Camera people. Incredible work getting out of there. Honestly, that's an ACL to a camera.
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Co-host 2
Oh, yeah.
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Host
I mean, there's big bodies going in there. Patrick Mahomes ends up in the bottom of this pocket, which once again goes back to us loving Patrick Mahomes. Okay. He's willing to jump in the bottom of this pile. Don't love that this fight is happening. Refs are already gone. Game's over. We're out of here. This game's over. We're reffing for 60 minutes. You guys handle your shit. Security gets in there, coaches get in there. It was full mayhem. These are two of our best teams. Obviously it's very emotional. It's a physical sport. It's a tough sport. And then the fireworks go off and say, hey, we get a big time win. Number two storyline is the Chiefs are still the Chiefs. And the number one storyline is the Colts are going to win the Super Bowl. Okay, so that is all you need.
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Analyst E
Boom.
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Host
Bang. And Jonathan Taylor, this guy.
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Co-host 1
Wow.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, I know.
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Host
We got him in the first round. He might be worth a couple now. He might be worth a couple nowhere. He might be worth a couple of those right now.
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Co-host 2
This guy's great.
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Host
He's exceptional, bro. He's bro. He is unbelievable. His celebration is sick. I got people mocking it from the other team. He's seemingly untackleable. The offensive line's all over the place. Danny Dimes put him in the right position positions in our defense yesterday. Couldn't get a damn stop. Okay, well, once again, one of our guys got taken out before the game even started.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
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Host
Okay. That's a big piece. Literally you find out an hour and 10 minutes before the game. He's not able to play. Why? What happened? He hope he's okay. Well, he actually just got hit by overstreet elbow. What do you mean? Yeah, it was bad. Where it was on who? Around like 35 yard line out there. Boom.
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Analyst F
It's over.
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Host
So whenever that happens right before the game, obviously it's not easy. The Colts get a huge win win and obviously we need to go going forward, need that not happen. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might have more information on that and everything else that happened around the NFL. Senior NFL Insider for ESPN Michigan. Man, ladies and gentlemen, tough one against usc. Adam Schefter.
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Analyst E
Hi guys.
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Host
Shefty. Sorry we made you wait there. Had to get to the bottom of everything the. The Ward injury. I am a pre warm up person because I'm a punter. Punters and kickers are out there a lot. I'm surprised that more injuries don't happen legit after watching this, but it is kind of organized chaos usually. What is the update here? We assume he'll be back or is this protocol going to do what the protocol is going to do?
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Adam Schefter
Well, he's in protocol now and typically when you miss one game, there's a real chance you miss another one. So that collision could cost him two games there. He went down, stayed down. I mean, that, that's scary when you see something like that happen and, and to see him inactive before the game like that. I don't recall a team losing a player in pregame warmups, no less two players to significant injuries. Obviously. Ward had the concussion there and Anthony Richardson fractured his orbital bone stretching with a band of some sort. So I don't know whether he was stretching his hamstring or his shoulder. His arm, whatever it was, snapped back and fractured his orbital bone. So he's going to miss time now, too, too. So that's crazy pregame warmups. And I always think that those are signs of things to come. And of course, Colts had a tough time with the Cardinals, but they prevailed in the end. Played well enough to win.
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Host
Okay. Yes, they did prevail. Yeah. Okay. And maybe we do have the worst optics for a stadium whenever that roof and windows open for a one o' clock game in October. But I want to let you know, whenever you're in there, it feels so cool. It feels so cool. There's a nice little breeze every once in a while that comes out of the sky. The football gods bless you a little bit, but I could see how on TV it would stink. And also, I assume the camera people do not love having to adjust this every single quarter as they go forward, but nonetheless, it was rocking in Indianapolis. It's.