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PMS 2.0 1429 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Doubleheader Recap, Peter Schrager, Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Host
Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble of o the Thunderdome on this BA Day, October 14, 2025. This program begins now. Football that is a 47 year football coach. A man who's been joining us each week in a spectacular vibe both in the office and obviously on the show. Ladies and gentlemen, superbug champion BA s what up coach? You look amazing. The toxic tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. A lot of Patriots GE out today. The Bills lose on Monday Night Football. And I'll tell you what, the vibes of the AFC east are certainly a little bit different. The Dolphins might be complete shite.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
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Host
The jets might be complete shite. And then the Buffalo Bills are losing to a team that lost by 30 just a couple weeks ago. And then the New England Patriots and Drake May are just stacking highlight after highlight after good decision. Mike Vrabel's even in getting into fights with referees who allegedly are trying to make them lose. And all they can do is continue to win. All of us Sudden, is it the New England Patriots time in the AFC east yet again? That is how Patriots fans are feeling on this particular Tuesday. I know it was not only a good morning for you, I saw a lot of Patriots fans celebrating this morning about, oh, is that right? The Buffalo Bills can't stop to run. Wait a minute. The Buffalo Bills can't win. Wait a minute. You know who can? Mike Vrabel and the New England Patriots. It feels like last night was the biggest night for Patriots fans as opposed to anybody else. Falcons fans, obviously excited, Bears fans, obviously excited. New England Patriots fans that woke up this morning like just like we fucking said it was. That is exactly the feeling. It feels like out of New England.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, you nailed it completely. That's exactly right. And it's just nice now. You know, it's basically all the receipts from the past six years are coming to light and Bill's fans who are saying congratulations on the Week 6 banner. Hilarious since they've never won a banner. So it's just one of those things where you don't even have to respond to these people because they're so fucking stupid. And it's amazing to be here.
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Host
Yeah, congratulations. Obviously we got a full Patriot fit today. Anytime the Patriots do something great, which was this weekend, and then the Bills do something bad, I think we're going to see that going forward. Kai Schmidt, great to see you. Nine year NFL vet, host of everything. DB Good D, Bad D. Darius J. Brothers.
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Co-host 2
Yes.
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Host
G BU we talked about some fan bases that are excited. Let's Talk about the two games last night. We got the Bears taking on the Commanders, Caleb taking on Jaden. Obviously a spectacular matchup. Jaden Daniel showcases his talent and then Caleb Williams and his Ben Johnson Bears team. Wait a minute, they've won three straight after starting 0 and 2 and maybe the world collapsing up there first game, what's your big takeaway? And also I think we have some.
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Analyst 1
Highlights from for the BE commander's game. A big takeaway has been Johnson's impact on Caleb Williams so far. Like him, him playing that game like it was some moments, he made some throws, the kids made a drop late and it could have went downhill. They got another opportunity with the Jaden Daniels fumble. Had to deal with some other elements as well. And then seeing Swift and that offense just run the ball down their throats when they needed to. It sucks as a defense when you know the team is trying to run the ball down, trying to drain the clock. Get in the field goal range and you get them in that position. And Jake Moody, the guy who's been battled, been through it, getting it down. This is the moment right here.
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Co-host 1
Boom.
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Analyst 1
Get down, take a hit, another run, you'll see Swift see it right here. Boom. Pitch out to the right, get out to the edge, set up your kicker for the game winner. And then Moody, when he gets up there, knocks it right down the middle. Went four for five on the night. Big, big moment for this team. A huge win for Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson.
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Host
What was that play call there? Running to the right side.
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Analyst 1
Oh, that was a little toss power right there. But in that other game, we get to the other game, it's a beautiful run that we're going to see.
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Host
I can't wait to get D. Bucks was learning offensive runs through 47 year football coach, offensive guru, quarterback whisperer Bruce Arians BA whenever you think about what Ben Johnson, Caleb and this Bears team look like now versus what it was at the beginning of the year, let alone the first two weeks of the season when they lose. But how about in training camp when everybody's like Caleb's never going to be able to just buy into Ben's system. I felt that way. I gave up on Caleb potentially buying into Ben Johnson. I gave up on the thought that Ben Johnson and Caleb will be able to coexist and have success together. I gave up on the thought that Caleb was going to become a guy in the NFL. Not that I hadn't been supportive of Caleb since the very beginning. I certainly have. But Ben Johnson, the more we learn about him. Badass dog, accountability driven. We're kicking people off the field. We're doing this. You need to do this. You need to do this. Caleb, everything we know about him is he likes to be a little bit of an outlaw, likes to be a little bit different, likes to do things his own way. Will he ever be able to buy in? He didn't even play in a preseason game because the guy couldn't understand what the hell the offense was. Didn't want to put him in a position to be a bed. It was like at the beginning of this entire relationship, there was obviously excitement. Ben Johnson, this is the bell of the ball for good reason, apparently, here now that we're watching the Chicago Bears in the coaching cycle. But then it just started being like, well, it's only a matter of time between before Ben Johnson, Sean Payton's Caleb Williams. Sean Payton gets the Denver Broncos job. Russell Wilson isn't what I want. I need to get him out of here. Let's move forward. Thought that was going to happen with Ben and Caleb. Instead, it feels like we've seen Caleb come into his own and this Bears team buy in completely to Ben's culture. What are your thoughts on the Bears and the turnaround that Ben's been able to do?
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, I think it's fantastic. You knew he was a great coach, you saw it in Detroit, and he's carrying over to Chicago and that's a matter of time before Caleb realizes, hey, if I listen to this guy, I'm going to be the top quarterback in the league. And it doesn't take long for those guys to get it. And Ben has put him in a great position to be successful.
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Host
He's got a chance to be the.
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Bruce Arians
First Bears 4000 yard passer ever. That's hard to believe.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, hard to believe.
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Host
Yeah. And I think by week 10 or 11, he's probably going to have some sort of passing record up there in Chicago. They've obviously been looking for a long time now. There was some officiating questions that arose last night. I even got calls from Bears fans this morning for missed call. Call us this morning. 7:00am Fired up. They didn't want us to win. The refs were trying to screw us and we win. Chicago Bears fans, obviously, the illegal formation, that was a touchdown to Roman Dunes. They don't like that. That got called back. Feels like that was actually a pretty good call. There was a holding here on one of your touchdowns where Caleb runs it in. They don't call it. And the guy who's in the booth. What's his name?
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Co-host 1
Russell Yerk.
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Host
Okay. Russell Yerk, the ESPN rules official guy. We did a little research on this guy. We appreciate that he's an independent thinker.
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Bruce Arians
Okay.
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Host
People are going to tell him to do something, he's going to say, I'm.
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Bruce Arians
Not going to do it.
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Host
Okay. Like this whole thing actually change. His job ends up having to go somewhere else. We respect that. He is. I'm not doing it.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
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Host
On that note, we need him to learn the rules. Can't just be like what his rules are and then what the actual NFL rules are. This guy stinks as the Rose official. This guy is. He's been bad. This guy has not been good. And he's a former replay official guy, I think, you know, so he was the one we're hearing him talk. He was the one making decisions during reviews and things like that. And now we're getting a chance to hear. I don't love that for the world we lived in, whenever he was making those decisions, which is certainly whenever we're doing this. But he needs to get better. You are talking for the game there, brother. On Monday Night Football. Let's make sure we're getting these things right. And whenever he gives an answer, we can't all just think, that guy doesn't know what he's doing. That can't be how we're representing. On that note, love the two piece last night. Two very good games.
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Bruce Arians
Okay.
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Host
Two very good games. And once again I thought Dan o', Fowler, Lewis Riddick, I thought they did good on the call. And then the fact that we had the opportunity to go from, you know, Jaden and Caleb battling to a second half of Bills and Falcons. Now I think we all thought this was going to go one particular way. What was the percentage of money let's go to Hammer Don Ton, what was the amount of money on the Buffalo Beatles last night against this falcons? About 75% -3 and a half down there in Atlanta. Now there was a little bit of an update. Jeezy was going to be performing at halftime, which certainly could have changed some people's thoughts. It changed debut thoughts actually. And it made me feel very good about picking the Atlanta Falcons. But that defense, they get slaughtered by the Carolina Panthers. Then old brick comes back and puts on like a master class against Josh Allen. And people are talking about Rahim Morris who had the joggers on. A lot of the coaches wearing the joggers. We looked around, had lost. This weekend hasn't looked great. Rahim Morris has Gone in there, implemented his culture and it feels like Pennix is a guy, it feels like Bijon is the guy. And defensively they have a chance. This Atlanta Falcons team, I think we all mocked and ridiculed there for a while. Thought they were making bad decisions. $180 million backup quarterback and then you draft a guy. But Atlanta gets a huge win on.
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Analyst 1
Monday night defense, huge win on prime time and it's a week to week lead. You Talked about the 30 shit loss to the Carolina Panthers. You see what the Panthers have been doing since. And then now the Buffalo Bills, we thought they would be the class of the AFC with the, you know, reigning mvp and they've dropped two in a ro. This one on prime time. You mentioned it deep. The defense showed up, got after Josh Allen. After the first couple plays in the first quarter you thought oh this is going to be a shootout. You know, Josh Allen throws a dart in his first play. After that he was under a lot of duress from the front end, from the back end. They blitzed him on over 70% of his drop backs in the second half. That's not usually a number you see with an MVP caliber quarterback. I don't think the Falcons were scared of those weapons on the outside. You see it right here, just blitzing. This was a beautiful overload pressure by Diablo and the boys coming off the edge. So they drafted, drafted pieces. They brought the right pieces over on both sides of the ball. You talked about Bijan Robinson with Dan O came on, he kind of mentioned it too. He said it's probably gonna be a bad matchup for the Buffalo Bills on offense and defense. Now this is the run right here. I had to show this to bsab. What the hell is this called? So this is our 28 blunt right here. It's a weak side zone and he hits this gap. And that's one of the weaknesses when you have this Buffalo Bills defense who runs that 4, 2, 5 so they keep five DBs, you know, on the field at all times. Only two linebackers they can get kind of moved around. Pennix did a great job as well. Hit into Drake London. Sorry for the guys who had the two touch guys and gals who had the two touchdown ticket for Drake London. That sucked right before the first half ended. Got all the way to the one yard line. Unbelievable play by Drake London. One of those eight first round picks on Atlanta Falcons offense. He's been great this year as well. Shout out to Michael Pennock. Shout out to Atlanta Falcons. And Rahem Moore is getting A big time prime time win.
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Host
No, I'm gonna say it. Four seconds, had a timeout, could have got down for a field goal and say, try to be a hero. You step out of bounds at half yard line. Just some football person will say that this was an incredible play. I thought it was a touchdown just like everybody else. And I immediately thought to myself, oh, that's close, Sicilian. The Bills think they're going down to get down quick and then bang, not so fast. We go for the touchdown. Obviously his cleats touch out of bounds there. Could have had a two touchdown night. Let's talk about the Falcons defense versus Josh Allen. Two interceptions for Josh Allen. That's his most since 2024, week 10. Four sacks. That's his most since 2023, week one. Okay. That's a long time ago. Sixteen pressures. That's his most since 2033, week 18. And his 18.7 QBR that he put up, that's his lowest since 2019, week 17. Whenever he couldn't throw a football to somebody. That's before COVID brother. Gee, that's a long time ago. 2019 as QBR. So bad night for Josh Allen, obviously. Bad night for the Bills. Great night for the Atlanta Falcons. And who's the man that deserves a little bit more credit down there in Atlanta, maybe for all the pieces that they brought in?
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Co-host 2
Terry Fonteno, I think it was right before the combine. It came out like, hey, the Falcons aren't meeting with any offensive players. I think Florio reported that as he does a lot of stuff that he doesn't break. And he mentioned, hey, the Falcons are only going after defensive guys. And that was kind of the big thing going into this offseason. Like, hey, how come the Falcons have all these first round picks? We just mentioned with Drake London and they're not good. It's because their defense dunk. Then they drafted all the right guys and now they're good.
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Host
Terry Fonto has been buried publicly a lot.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, big time.
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Host
For the way he looks, the way he acts. The decisions that have been made in the Atlanta building have been to save Terry Fontenot's job is what everybody has said publicly. Raheem Morris getting hired. A lot of people said, well, they hired Raheem over Bill Belichick or anybody else because it keeps Terry Fontenot's job. Okay? That's the only reason why it's happening. Terry Fontenot just sat in the pocket, you know, draft Pennocks, pay Kirk Cousins. This guy's a dipshit.
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Bruce Arians
Boom.
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Host
Terry Fontenot sits in the pocket. Hire Raheem Morris over Bill Belichick. Well, that's strictly so Terry Fontenot can keep his job. What a terrible decision. Terry Fontenot sits in the pocket. They start out bad. Terry Fontenot sits in the pocket. Now they get a huge win over the Bills. We should at least say, hey, Terry Fondo feels like it might be working out, division might be working out.
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Bruce Arians
You got the number one, number one defense in the league and number two offense.
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Host
They're doing some things right. Let's talk about Olbrick. How do you go from. Or let's just talk about teams in general. How do you go from that? Carolina. And is that guy related to Matt Conti right there? I think so. Do you look at the face Pretty similar? Mike Conti. I think Matt Conti came from Atlanta as well. His dad worked for the Falcons, I think. I wonder if Mike is his brother.
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Co-host 1
Family business.
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Host
And the Conti brothers could be putting out stats and PR for two different teams in the NFL. We might have to start thinking about a family dynasty. What these Contis are doing in the PR world. But you're talking about them having number one, number two defense. This Ulbricht guy, obviously out of the New York jets. And then everything happened this offseason. Now he's down in Atlanta. We know he brings intensity. We know his team likes him a lot. But how do you go from that Carolina game where you get your ass beat, then to beating the Buffalo Bills, who are super bowl favorites with the MVP favorite and everything like that? Is that just figuring out who you are? Is that the boys just shit in the bed one day and you understanding that that's not what your team actually is like? Why do you think that happens with your 47 years of football experience?
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, I think for some times you're going a division team that you don't think is very good. But Carolina Panthers haven't lost at home this year and they went in and spanked them pretty good. You know, it's like, oh, this is a wake up call. And they played really well since. But Jeff Olberg's been one of the best defensive minds in a long time. When he was with the Niners, they were really strong. And he has changed the whole culture because Raheem's never been a blitz guy. You know, he was a Monty Kiffin, Tampa 2 guy. And they're getting after the quarterback. They got five big guys in there all the time now, and it's a mismatch somewhere.
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Host
Do we think this is the Atlanta Falcons for the rest of the season. Do we think this is who they are or do we think the Carolina Panthers game is who they are? I think that's.
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Bruce Arians
I think this is who the Falcons are definitely. And you know what? If they avoid injuries, they're going to be really tough all the way down the stretch.
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Host
Congrats to the Falcons, man. Yeah, congrats to the Falcons.
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Analyst 1
They were the bottom, like, bottom, bottom barrel league when it came to getting after the passer, so to go and be aggressive. And Fontenot got a lot of shit this draft when he traded back into the first round to get James Pierce Jr. At the end of the first round, who talent wise, was kind of like a top 10, top eight pick coming into the year with some other off the field things. But yeah, that, that, that up front, that makes it easier on the guys in the back. And they've drafted and signed well back there as well.
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Host
Congrats to the Bears. Congrats to the Falcons. Now let's turn to the other side of last night with one of our favorite segments. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for BS or no BS With BA okay, so we'll be making statements that have been said by other people that are statements of fact. It'll be your job to tell us if that's BS or no BS BA Once again, these are not our statements. These are things that we have seen and other people have said. We're just asking if he thinks they're real or not. First one, the. The Bills are in more trouble than the Eagles. Is that BS or no BS BA.
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Bruce Arians
That'S no BS I think. I think the Bills, they've got to get out of this.425. I mean, they're giving up the most explosive plays. Third most explosive plays in the league, 5.8 per rush. You can't win that way. And you got. I don't. They're short of linebacker, what it is, but Bobby Babbage got to come up with something new because it ain't working right now. Offensively, I don't know where the points are coming from other than James Cook. Look, they don't have a wide out right now. That scares you for Josh. And that's why you're seeing all the blitzes, because they're locking them down. Terrell locking down the receivers last night. It's not a pat. It's not. It's not Bill's football.
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Host
Okay, so do you think the heat is going to come from McDermott? Let me tell you, yes, the heat is coming for McDermott. It always does. I feel like McDermott has been on the hot seat every single season that Josh Allen has become MVP like candidate. I think it comes with the territory. It comes with, if you have the best player in football, you should be winning the biggest game in football. Do you think it's McDermott? Do you think it's the build of the team? How do you think they kind of navigate the next few weeks as they try to battle through McDermott getting his job called for by everybody, including Bill's fans?
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, I've got a lot of, a lot of respect for Sean. He's done a great job for a long time now. But it's again, it's time for change. Can you adapt and react and change? And I think it's time for them to change some things on both sides.
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Host
You're not saying firing, you're saying messaging, wording, things like that.
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Bruce Arians
Everything that you're doing. And like you said, they got the bye week. Let's go back to the start. How are we going to build this thing? How are we going to fix it? And I have a lot of trust in Sean to get that done.
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Host
McDermott's a defensive guy, right? That's kind of his thing. So his defense kind of being the weak link here in obvious problem. It feels like, you know, Dan Orlovsky called it yesterday. I think the stats obviously say which people have been loud about the Beagles defense is really question mark. But then you talk about his offensive weapons. It's like they let Stefan go a couple years ago. Obviously Stefan having a little bit of a resurgent up there with New England right now. Kincaid was out last night. He was supposed to be a big part of their weapon. And I Shakir guy, like we know some of the names but it's always like Josh is going to elevate him and then defensively it's the same problem. 425 is the reason why you guys are saying it's a problem. Us layman people are like, they can't. They just can't stop.
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Co-host 1
Can't stop the run.
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Host
Stop the run. That you're going to have to be able to do that in Buffalo, especially in big time games. Patriots fan, obviously you're excited, but the comments are coming loud about this Buffalo Bills team.
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Co-host 2
Well, and that's the thing about the defense. Like the defense works when Matt Milano is healthy. Like Matt Milano is their best player on defense. He's been hurt. So that's my question to you. B.A. like, if. Why isn't McDermott making a change? They haven't been great rushing the ball on defense all year because they don't have their star guy in the middle who makes all those other, you know, the four up front and the linebacker next to him play well. So, like, if your star player that makes this defense work isn't playing, like, why is. And he changing it, I think, is the real question. For a lot of people who were Bills fans and for a lot of people who were laughing at the Bills.
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Bruce Arians
Fans last night, I think for the Bills right now, it's, you've got to change that defense. You got to get seven in the box against these running teams and. And play a little more, man. You got to mix it up a little bit. If they know where you're standing, they're.
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Host
Going to block you.
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Bruce Arians
That, that 81 yard run, there was nobody. One missed tackle. Yeah, one missed tackle is all it was. They just blocked everybody. One missed tackle. Touchdown. Now this is maybe the best player in the league right now, Bijan Robinson. But you just can't have that on defense.
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Host
Bijon was fun to watch. And it takes you back a couple years whenever people were protesting the Atlanta Falcons because they weren't given Bijon either reps or ball or plays. Or maybe Artie Smith wasn't the offense that, you know, Bijon needed. We got a chance to chat with him at Radio Row. He had that Nirvana show.
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Bruce Arians
Yep.
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Host
Yeah, he's cool, dude. I like his vibes. I like what they got going on. And obviously him and Penix both young, maybe they're the future of the entire league. Let's go to the next B.S. or no B.S. d Butt's got this one for you, B.A.
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Analyst 1
I got one for you, B.A the Patriots are all the way back. Is that B.S. or no Bs that's no B.S.
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Bruce Arians
I mean, Drake May is playing lights out, and he was my number one guy coming out that year with Jaden Daniels, and that was a great quarterback class. But I think Drake May is just going to keep getting better and better. Variable right now to me is the AFC Coach of the Year. He's got the defense humming. And I know Vrabes, he's out there as a blocking dummy.
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Host
He's blocking guys, he's tackling guys.
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Bruce Arians
He's cussing out refs. I love raves. And he's got. He's got the Patriots in a great spot right now.
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Host
AFC Coach of the Year is currently in Indianapolis. Let's fucking relax here for, you know, at least Two minutes. But on that note, we knew Vrabes was going to have success up there, right? Didn't we all kind of naturally know that Rabes was going to have success up there? And I think the Patriots fans knew that Drake May was good. I think all the Patriots fans knew that Drake May was good. And you said he was your favorite coming out of that draft class. Once again, good draft class. It was on display last night all over the place. So we got nothing but respect for all of them. Clyde Christensen, who obviously, you know, you've coached alongside, he was at North Carolina for Drake's. Drake May's final year. Friend of all of ours in the way he talks is just a hilarious kind of cadence, but he goes, drake May, best guy, right? This guy, Peyton Manning. Right. But faster, maybe even more athletic, taller, more handsome.
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Bruce Arians
That's not hard.
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Host
Yeah, exactly. But all those things he was saying about Drake, like he was a believer. And at that point, we didn't know if it was just because he's North Carolina alumni or because he's North Carolina coach or if he's just selling and doing what college coaches do, which is like, hey, if my guy gets drafted higher, it's good for all of us. But I think what we all know about Clyde, he was telling the truth. He believed in this dude. He very much believed in him from day one. Team looked bad last year because of all the other shit going on around it. But then he finds his coach. It's like Braves and Drake are a perfect match to simpatico. Do you agree with that? Whenever it comes to action, totally.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah. They're great for each other. They're really great for each other. And I think Mike is just going to continue to bring out the best of him.
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Host
Well, why do you think Clyde liked him so much? What are you seeing now?
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Bruce Arians
He's got all the measurables, you know, he's 6 5. He can run, he can spin it. He's got everything it takes to be an NFL quarterback. When you look at the history of the game, he's got all those measurables. So to me, he was a can't miss.
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Host
The boys love him, too. Yeah, the boys love him.
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Co-host 2
Not to get lost in the two. It's crazy how much a franchise left tackle will change your entire offense. Will Campbell's been one of the best in football year. But BA what about Josh McDaniels? Like, I think a lot of Patriots fans knew Drake was good, but they needed the right offense. What have you seen from Josh McDaniels? As far as what offense they're running that's different from last year and before.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, it's a lot of Tom Brady stuff. It's Josh's offense and Josh has done a great job up there for a long, long time. Didn't work out as a head coach, but he's been one of the best offensive coordinators for a long time. Hell yeah.
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Host
Why Drake may being the youngest of three, athletic family, having a lot of shit talk to them. That's a good thing. And do we look at that whenever we're scouting players?
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Bruce Arians
Oh, definitely, yeah. Yeah. And I always like captains, guys that were captains. You know, we drafted like six captains one year because, you know, they love the game and. But this kid. Yeah, he got beat up by his brother's office.
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Host
Oh, yes.
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Bruce Arians
And he. He gave some back, I think. Yeah.
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Host
I would assume there was an age wherever he started winning. Yes, of course. Even though he has big brothers, I.
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Analyst 1
Jumped up my board.
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Host
Yeah, he golfed with him one time. He golfed with his family and he was like, this is the number one. You came sat down on our show. He was like number one quarterback Drake Beck. And we're like, what? Caleb obviously number one quarterback Jaden Daniels. Obviously. Kirk Herbstra came out and said, this is gonna be the one. And then Debuck comes in. We thought Liv paid him to say that because this was at a live pro am where Drake May was at with his family was out there in Vegas or whatever. But literally it was all the intangibles, not the on field shit that you saw from Drake that made you like him.
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Analyst 1
Yeah, talk the. The brothers thing. He was out there with his dad, his uncle. So just seeing any. You play, you spend three, four hours with somebody like you can't. You know, you're not gonna bullshit that person. You're gonna see the. The who they are was me, him, Phil and Will Levis. And just seeing him and now seeing him in the locker room, seeing him mic'd up, seeing all this shit on the field, it's like, okay, you. You can see how he can. He can rally the troops. We knew going into the draft, in my opinion, he was going to be the biggest wild card. He had all the talent, he had the arm, he had the athleticism. I thought Jaden would be the most pro ready. And then Caleb probably has the biggest upside as far as like a phenom as far as a prospect. But yeah, Drake got all the pieces. And bringing in a coach like Josh McDaniels who gives him answers pre Snap to where you can tell when he's, when he catches the ball. He, he knows. He knows what's going on. He knows where his matchups are. And then he knows when he takes off to take care of himself at this point now. So he's doing all the right things. But you got to have a head coach, you got to have a defense, you got to have special teams, all the good shit around you.
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Host
You let me toss you right into the middle of a blender here. St. You said biggest upside. Caleb Phenom, who has the biggest upside now after watching him Play. This guy's 65.
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Analyst 1
I personally, I would still say Caleb.
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Host
Okay.
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Analyst 1
As far as biggest upside. Yeah.
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Host
Because of what we're seeing him just now with Ben Johnson.
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Analyst 1
Just physical traits wise. Yeah, physical.
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Host
Drake led North Carolina in physical traits.
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Co-host 2
Physical.
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Analyst 1
I mean, you say like arm talent and all that. I still think Caleb is still on the top of that draft.
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Host
Yeah, you're right. Caleb has some of those.
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Analyst 1
Like he. He still has it. And Drake has the size, probably straight line, maybe a little bit faster, but I still think it. But look, it, it comes. It all comes down to other. All the other things that are around you. They both have good coach and I think Dan Quinn's a good coach too. So all three of them, I think has good coach and they have good ecosystem around them. That's what it really comes out. We see a bunch of great quarterbacks who got one super bowl, maybe Dan Marino. Best store of all time in my opinion. No Super Bowls, like, it's going to be a lot of other shit that plays into it. But if you just talk about prospect for prospect, I still think they would probably go the same way in the draft.
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Host
We're going to be talking talented young quarterbacks here in a couple seconds on this BS or no BS with BA but let's get to the next one here. Here's a statement that was made of fact by Andrew Barry. Potentially trading a QB with 13 years of divisional experience to another team in the division in the middle of the season is a good decision. Now, obviously this gets brought up because Tomlin, for the first time that I've heard Coach Tomlin speak, says somebody's name of an opponent and says this. Actually, we have the video. You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.
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Analyst 1
Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area. But that's just my personal feelings.
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Host
So that's Coach Tom, an OG who's been around a long time and obviously he knows AFC north football is very difficult. What he's alluding to is the fact like, hey, we had Cincinnati down and out here. Why are we lending a hand at all within the division? Now there's other people from Cleveland that are speaking like, we got a fifth round pick in this exchange for a guy that we're never going to play again. Everybody else says, hey, we could have killed a team. So ba we say this trading at QB with 13 years of divisional experience to another team within that division in the middle of the season is a good decision. Is that BS or no BS BA that's total bullshit. Okay? It's not a good decision.
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Bruce Arians
What are you thinking? Okay, I mean, first of all, Pittsburgh's your big rival. Cincinnati is your next biggest rival. Why would you trade him to Cincinnati? If I'm going to trade him, might get a six round pick for somewhere else. I ain't trade him in the division. All of a sudden, Ja' Marr Chase and T. Higgins have 20 targets. Jamar Chase has 10 receptions, almost 100 yards in one week. Couldn't get the damn ball to him another three weeks and now Pittsburgh's got to play him Thursday night.
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Host
Yeah, Tomlin really loves Flacco. That has been on the record a couple times.
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Bruce Arians
Oh yeah. He does not want to see Joe and those receivers and it's like, shit, we had him right where we wanted him and they go and trade this guy to our division rivals. It's like, that makes no sense to me.
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Host
So on that thought, it's also Joe Flacco who has a lot of knowledge of the AFC North. Yeah, it's like he has been in that division for his entire career outside of the year with the Dreads, the Jets, which was dreadful for all parties, and then Broncos as well. I think he got paid out there. Then he started acting like a quarterback for the first time in la, Said, I don't want to hear it, shut up and got him out of there. But he has been an AFC north quarterback for this entirety. And the fact that Tomlin loves Flacco so much. This is two, two times now where Coach Tomlin has said something he doesn't normally say. Earlier in the season, whenever he was talking about previous years, wanting a quarterback to stay healthy so the backup doesn't come in, he actually said, last year when we played the Colts, I told the boys, Anthony Richardson can't Get hurt. We need Joe Flacco not to come into the game. Tomlin has PTSD of Joe Flacco coming in and doing some things to him. Tomlin has massive respect for Joe Flacco. I think most people in the AFC north have more respect for Joe Flacco than maybe the rest of the NFL. And the fact that he felt obligated to call out Andrew Barry for doing this. You guys did the whole desean Watson thing. You screwed us all. You do the Miles Garrett thing, okay? You screw us all, we get it. Trading a starting quarterback to another team in the division is just treason. This is treason, what you guys are doing. And it needs to happen. I think it's an old school mindset, though.
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Analyst 1
Yeah.
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Host
Like, I think it's a football guy, old school mindset. You win the division, you get into the dance. That is the mindset of every football coach. Coach that is still coaching right now. We need to win our division games because if you win the division, you get into the dance. Now it's like, stats wise, Joe flacco only completes 37%. He actually, it got worse bringing him in over Jake Browning. If you look at Jake Browning's in total body work, it's like, that's not what Tomlin's talking about. What Tomlin's talking about is Cincinnati was dead and now you just threw him a little bit of a lifeline. We should be looking out for that in the division. How do you feel about the entire situation?
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Analyst 1
I'll play devil, devil's advocate. You know, you got a fifth round pick back and let's say center, sixth. Okay. Yeah. So the Bengals, let's say they do die and they have a franchise quarterback, Joe Burrow. So now in the draft, they're picking top five because they go, you know, three and whatever. Now they win. What? We get all these EPA and all these. So let's say Joe Flacco projects two more wins that may move them from the third pick to the 12th pick. So that changes things in that form. And they're not like a threat this year. Down the street.
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Host
Andrew Barry's like, sorry, we're big.
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Analyst 1
Yeah. I try to. You try to jump into Tua's brain. I tried to jump into Andrew Berry's Harvard brain. Maybe that's what he was thinking. I don't know. Obviously, Mike Thomas has a ton of respect for Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco and he's been around him for a long time. So him going into the division, definitely an old school mindset. You don't throw your division rival a lifeline. That's what he did it. But I'll play devil levels of Africa maybe. Maybe that's what Andrew Barry was thinking.
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Host
I love the thought of Andrew Barry going, they'll win four more games with Joe. Okay, you're welcome. They go from fourth pick to seventh pick to 12th to 14th, 11th to 14th. You're welcome. Talking about this year. What are you talking. You playing checkers, brother. Okay, I'm a chess player. Let's go ahead and move on. I love that that's possible, but I also appreciate Coach Tomlin being like, shit's getting out of control right now. This needs not to be. Because we would have never seen that in the past. Never ever seen that in the past. Especially with a guy like Flacco, who's literally known in all of those neighborhoods of the AFC North. Let's go to the last one here. This is one of my favorite ones. If you draft a QB number one overall, you're going to get your ass far. Is that BS or no bsba?
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Bruce Arians
That's no bs. Six out of the last eight have gotten their asses fired the first year. And it's hard to believe because if you're the front office and the owner, you know your team stinks. If you're drafting a quarterback number one. If you got the number one pick, you're probably bad, all right? So you better get to me an offensive minded head coach, a damn good offensive coordinator and a damn good fundamental quarterback coach. If I'm a draft a quarterback number one and then have some continuity with this kid for at least three years. It's going to take three years, especially with these kids coming out of college early. Now, you used to play 40, 50 games. Now some are playing 8, 9, 15. And you expect them to come in and be a savior. It's not going to happen. The game is too complicated at this level. And you got to have that continuity. Your first three years I think now had in 19, what was it, 98. We drafted Peyton, all right? Tom Moore and I probably got our ass fired the first year for 28.
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Host
Interception, but instead, Tom Moore still on the sidelines.
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Bruce Arians
Tom Moore's still coaching and I'm out, but. And Peyton's in the hall of Fame.
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Host
Yeah, Exactly.
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Bruce Arians
We go 3, 13, 13 and 3. You gotta. You gotta give them chance to grow and put some pieces around them, especially up front. Helps on the outside if you got something, but it's gotta help up front.
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Host
Yeah. I think if you have a guy protected, which Is why the Pittsburgh Steelers doing the six man offensive line shit that they're doing right now might be the new answer for teams that don't have a good offensive line. Just put more bodies in there now. I don't know if you're gonna find Mount Washington, Darnell Washington in a lot of places. A guy who's 6 foot 7, 315 pounds is a tight end. But it feels like Artie Smith, Aaron Rodgers and the boys over there adding another offensive lineman and still keeping a aggressive passing attack throughout it all. That might be a new style to protect quarterback. Because what we have learned is if you don't protect quarterback, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how much talent they have. If he's got no time to do anything, he's going to suck. Speaking of no time to do anything, I guess they just have to make that decision early about whether or not they think that this guy that is heading up the number one overall pick is a good developer, good communicator, and also has a future bright around him because it feels like they thought Callahan was not that. Because Callahan offensive minded his dad. Offensive line coach, right?
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Co-host 1
Yep.
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Host
You would assume they think he's a good developer of talent. And now they get Cam Ward, this guy with immense talent who I think we all appreciate and respect, and they get rid of this guy early, move it on to another head coach. There's going to be a new offense coordinator. And then Cam Ward we hope doesn't happen. He might get caught in that blender of what ifs. And now there's a lot of quarterbacks that are in that blender of what ifs that we think would be ass NFL quarterbacks. I'm not giving every one of these quarterbacks excuse that it was a new offense court. There's some of these guys that never panned out, that would have never panned out regardless of where they would have been. But there's a lot of talented guys that we have no idea about who are definitely sitting at family reunions and bars saying what did Blaine Gabbard have?
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Bruce Arians
I think seven head coach, seven or eight head coaches and eight coordinators his first seven years.
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Host
And Blaine Gabbard, good luck.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
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Host
Can spin. He's got moxie's got spin it. He's like the face of non continuity.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah.
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Host
The quarterback position there. And he was an incredible talent. But now always wonder what if guy? What didn't he pull somebody out of a helicopter crash or something like that? Blaine Gabbard.
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Co-host 2
Yep. Jets.
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Co-host 1
It was Jet Ski.
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Host
Yeah, I think it was.
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Co-host 1
I think a downed helicopter.
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Host
He was on a jet Ski. Yeah, I think a helicopter goes down. Blaine Gabbard goes. So let's assume he has the trait to be a franchise quarterback, and then he can spin it. And it's like, what if he would have had an opportunity with a sound structure around them? And that's always going to be the what ifs. Hopefully Cam Ward doesn't fall into that. The owner was not at the press conference announcing the firing of the head coach of the franchise. Here's how that entire piece of information got released from a question from, you guessed it, Paul Gar right now.
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Co-host 1
Where.
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Bruce Arians
What do you mean?
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Host
Where's Amy Adam Strunk right now? Yeah, she's. She's at her home. Why isn't she here?
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Co-host 1
I'm here representing her.
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Bruce Arians
It's.
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Host
Good answer. It's a good answer. A lot of people want to see ownership, though.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
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Host
I mean, nowadays, now, we hope everything's good with the owner. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, but it's like one of the big three. All three of the big three, we know here in Indianapolis would definitely be there for this. Face the music, you know? Cause your fans want to know. You fired Rabes, didn't you? Weren't you the one that decided to kind of put us in this? Now you're doing it again. Why? We want to hear a little bit. And then that guy's like, I got it. It's like, you know what? You don't have a billion dollar franchise that you own. Yeah, that we. We would like to hear. You just got here, too, motherfucker. Just a couple years. We've been here a lot longer than you. We would like to hear from the owner. It's getting loud down there. Who's the right. You think they go with veteran quarterback.
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Bruce Arians
Down or veteran coach down there?
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Host
Or you think they go with a new, younger coach like Mike McCarthy's available, for instance? We talk to Mike every single week. Offensive guy has obviously developed quarterbacks. I think he loves coaching. I don't think he's ever said or hinted at all that he's done coaching anywhere. That would be like a good veteran guy that's on the street for the potential Tennessee Titans to sign. Then there's Joe Brady. There's other guys, obviously, down there in Tampa Bay. There's an offensive coordinator that's crushing it with Baker Mayfield with what, seven guys out of the lineup. So it's like there's two different decisions There. What would your mind go towards?
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Bruce Arians
I'm going to the veteran. I'll go with Mike. Mike's been there, done it, been with a lot of different style quarterbacks, and I think his hands on Cam Ward would be excellent.
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Host
He also doesn't mind drink or two.
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Co-host 1
No, he doesn't.
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Host
Yeah, he'll have a couple bulldozers on.
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Bruce Arians
He'll get Pittsburgh.
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Host
Yes, he certainly will. In Nashville, I think they appreciate, like, I think they really liked Vrabel the human.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
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Host
Like, I think that is something that Nashville, the community was like, this is the face of our franchise here. This guy's tough, he's funny, takes no shit. He's a great football coach. We'll take anybody get out there. And Also, he'll smoke 14 packs of cigarettes in one press conference, drink two beers, two shots of whiskey, and have. Have both long cut across the top, zinn across the bottom. It's like this. Yeah, this is the guy we would like leading our team. Then Callahan comes in. It's like every time he's on microphone, he's potting.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
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Host
And then they're not doing good. It's like, I think you got to find the right cultural fit as well. I think that is a real thing that has to happen.
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Co-host 1
Well, and with, like, everything that's been going on down there, like, they're. They're very close to being one of those, like, one of those franchises where it's just like, okay, all of a sudden, like, the Titans, like, they're never going to get this right. They're building a new stadium. They just dress like. You can't. You can't go get one of these young guys who's never been a head coach before and have this thing fail. And then you're just. You're doing the exact same thing. And, like, for the owner, I. I don't know, but I wonder if they fired Callahan this week to get ahead of. I believe they play the Patriots next week.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
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Co-host 1
If they lose. If they lose that game by 50.
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Host
Is that in Nashville?
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Co-host 1
In Nashville, if Variable comes back into town and beats them by 50, like, the. The shitstorm that would have been after that. Like, I wonder if she was just.
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Host
Like, okay, let's do it now.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, we do it now.
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Host
What if she texted immediately beforehand? I'm not in town, so we need this to happen. Okay. I'm trying to come back. She. And once again, business owners, team owners. There are certainly events that got to be at conferences representing there's a chance that she is literally, I mean, Maybe something. We hope not. But you never know what's going on in their personal lives or professional lives, what they have to do to potentially be in town for this type of thing. You would hope this type of announcement for your fan base you would show up to. We have no idea what she was doing outside of it, but that's not a bad. That's not a bad angle there. Let's get ahead of this before we get embarrassed in front of our entire fan base. And what were you going to say about culture? It sounded like you were going to.
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Analyst 1
Go, yeah, it's a question. Because my first thought and Dan O. And he was on first thought with a young quarterback is, you know, new head coach, like an offensive mind. And you, you pass the torch to top bowls. And we've seen what Baker Mayfield has been able to do it, even with the revolving door with the offensive coordinator. So how do you balance that? I guess being in that ownership seat, like a cultured guy or a guy who I know if he's successful, is going to be hand in hand with my quarter, my young quarterback going forward.
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Bruce Arians
No, it's got to be the culture. You got to be able to be a leader of men and have a culture that goes through your entire locker room, but you have to have a special relationship with your quarterback. And I think that offense, according to that quarterback coach, they're the key guys, you know, for a defensive head coach, obviously. But if the, if the head coach is also an offensive guy, if he's a play caller, it's really just a quarterback coach now because you're going to put it all in and. But yeah, I think to me it's culture.
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Host
Gotcha. All right, we'll give out some game balls later from BA that was BS or no BS With BA Love that we got right to the bottom of it. Thank you for all the insight. Let's get to boots on the ground. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who was part of his Monday Night Football football coverage down there in Atlanta, friend of the program, Emmy award winner. I think he went to college in Atlanta. Must have been nice to get back down there. Maybe he just threw out a few hundred thousand dollars just to act like the good old days of his university. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager Shregs. How are you, buddy?
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Peter Schrager
I'm doing awesome. Did not have a kick, kick, field goal kicking contest at Emory University over the weekend, but I was busy watching you. You were awesome.
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Co-host 2
Awesome, man.
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Peter Schrager
That was so fun to watch.
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Host
Thank you for the love. In Emory University, we Looked it up. What? Most expensive university in the United States of America, counting Harvard and everything else. I believe this is an accurate statement. Yes.
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Peter Schrager
I don't know if that's true. We don't have a football team. I know that's true. So you know what it is?
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Bruce Arians
It's.
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Peter Schrager
It's got one of the biggest endowments because it's coke money and not coke money. I'm talking Coca Cola.
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Analyst 1
Woodruff, the family.
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Peter Schrager
They were Emory donors. So, so very nice school and very proud alum of Emory. And yeah, I got a chance to be back in Atlanta.
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Co-host 1
Awesome city.
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Host
You don't want to test any of those dollars. There's a lot of coke money out there, I think, just kind of floating around, especially back in those days, whenever you were in school. Shout out to Emory. Shout out to Atlanta. Let's talk. We were just chit chatting, obviously about the Callahan situation with Cam Ward and everything happening about the revolving door. And then six out of the last eight number one overall picks, how their coach gets fired in their rookie year. And then that just starts like a carousel craziness. Let's talk about the complete opposite of that with what it seems to be happening down there in Atlanta. Can you tell us about Penix and Raheem and that special maybe team they. They have down there after a massive win over the Buffalo Bills? Like, this feels special. And they got Kirk Cousins, $180 million sitting on a bench in their salary cap, which is a massive decision that has to be made. Once again, Raheem makes the decision and they move forward. Tell us about Atlanta a little bit and how this is going to work out for Pennix and Law Run.
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Peter Schrager
So pulling back the curtain a little bit, you get assigned a team when there's two sideline reporters. So Katie George was doing the Buffalo Bills. I was doing the Atlanta Falcons. So for five days, I'm just immersed in Falcons. I had calls with players. They would do the production meeting. And I, I start with talking with Raheem Morris, who I've known since he was the head coach in Tampa 20 years ago. And Ron I are talking and he's like, shrigs, you don't get it. Number seven is the island, is the greatest player I've ever coached. I'm like, okay, I get it.
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Analyst 1
Okay.
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Peter Schrager
No, no, no, no. I had Cooper cup when he was a Triple Crown winner. I had Robert Griffin III when he was doing what he did as a rookie. I had Julio Jones in the super bowl season. This kid, seven is in that conversation. And he's the best player in football. I'm like, all right, all right. But you're going up against Josh Allen and he's like, our team is different. It all works through this guy. A running back. And they use him in so many different ways. BA I know you're watching that and you're just smiling because they utilize him as a wide receiver. They utilize him as a running back. They put him in the pistol. They put him on these offset formations, which I don't see anywhere else. And then you get to talk to the kid, and he's unbelievable. Like, face of the league. Good as far as humble, as far as shouting out every single one of his offensive linemen and a smile a mile wide. I'm like, okay. I knew Bijan Robinson was a star. I didn't realize he could be the star of the league. And then last night on Monday Night Football, with the entire world to see, football community and Otherwise, he had 238 yards from scrimmage and an 81 yard run through one of the better front sevens in football.
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Host
Okay, on that note, BA actually wanted the BS or no BS's to be Bijan Robinson's best player in football. He's like, now I'm gonna say that was his exact takeaway as well. When was the last time an offense in your mind ran directly through the running back? I got Saquon last year. Right? That was kind of what they did last year.
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Bruce Arians
Saquon last year. But I think he's more Marshall Falk. You know, Marshall was a great runner, but he was all. He could have played wide receiver for anybody. Just like Bija. He'd go out, play wide receiver for anybody right now. And to have a back who's a total mismatch, and then you put Algier in the backfield and you split him out. Oh, who's he got? A linebacker or say safety?
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Co-host 3
Bad.
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Bruce Arians
Bad for the defense.
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Host
Do you remember when Y2J was going crazy down there in Tennessee for Chris Johnson? Through the first five games, he had 594 yards from scrimmage. Okay? He ended up finishing with 2509, which is the most in a season in NFL history. That's 2009. Chris Johnson right now, 2025. Bijan Robinson is at 822 yards from scrimmage. So 594 is where Chris Johnson was through the first five games. Bijon Robinson, 822 yards from scrimmage. That's a Hembo stat. I'd say he's ahead of schedule and I'd say everything they told you is right. It feels like other teams are going to start to know that as well. I think their offensive line is ready for it. I think the Atlanta Falcons offensive line's ready for it. And go ahead. You have something on that as soon.
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Peter Schrager
Yeah, you know, they were. They're without McGarry, who's Caleb, who's maybe one of the best right tackles in the sport, got hurt right before training camp and then. And I report it right before halftime. But the Drake London play was so crazy, they lost Jake Matthews to an ankle injury. So you're without your two starting tackles and you're like, all right, what's our offense? And they still are like, let's just run the ball with these two running backs and let's make it happen. Now, Drake London had a big statistical game, but when I am telling you that entire Bills defense is focused on that guy, number seven. And this was a really interesting, really in the weeds thing the first several games. Zach Robinson at all last year, when Cousins was the quarterback, would call the offense from up top in the booth. They get blown out 30 to nothing in that weird game against Carolina. They go to the Washington game two weeks ago. He's on the field as an offensive play caller, which. Some teams do it, some teams don't. I feel like Josh McDaniels, when he was at the Patriots, was always there talking with Brady. I'm sure there's a million other examples. He's on the field the last two games and I'm watching in between drives, Zach Robinson, this young OC is talking to Penix and he's talking to Bijan and he's talking to Drake. He's the offensive coordinator and he's talking with them eye to eye as opposed to, okay, I'm going to talk to my QB coach, who's then going to tell the quarterback. I think that's a major difference. And that was pretty mature of them to make that decision during the season when last year with a veteran quarterback, it was a little bit different because Cousins didn't need all that.
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Host
Yeah. On that note, B.A. you called from the sidelines. Andy Reid calls from the sidelines. There are people, obviously, that are up in the booth. Were you ever a booth caller?
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Bruce Arians
Never. I was on the sideline. I wanted to look, like Shrek said, I want to look him dead in the eye. I know when they're bullshitting me when they're not. They can bullshit you over the phone.
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Host
But when you're looking from the sky, there's an advantage, obviously, whether it's quiet.
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Bruce Arians
It's like sitting in your office calling the game on a computer. That's what some guys like, I had to feel. It had to see. It had to be right there. Eye to eye with offensive line. If I'm going to cut somebody out, I'm usually going to cut somebody so the quarterback can hear me, you know? And so, yeah, it's a great move to put Zach down there.
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Host
One of my favorite moments. BA Was interim head coach for us while Chuck was battling through leukemia, which he ended up doing, and then coming back to the sideline in the same season, which is an outrageous feat of mental toughness. And what BA had to step in and do was incredibly difficult. I don't know if any other human in the coaching world would have been able to handle it the way BA did, but he's calling plays and he's the interim head coach. There was a time where it was like, fourth and a half yard or something. We're on our own 24. I'm the punter, obviously, so, like, I'm standing literally right next to him. Like, yo, this clock is ticking. Like, I'm not getting a delay a game, brother. Okay, I would like to flip this field. We're not going to go. I'm standing next to him. I'm listening to him go through whether or not they should go for it. And it's like, in the moment, there's somebody. I think you were looking at Luck in the eye, and it was like Luck wanted to go for it. Then an offensive lineman, I think, gave. Gave you, like, let's go for you. Like, yeah, we can get a half. Like, I hear you actually say that and send it in and go. It's like, if play callers, you know, like, that is a. You're disconnected from literally everything in the moment. We picked up that first down. Now we don't get that first down. Oh, yeah, that would have been awesome. Offensive lineman coming over. Andrew Luck coming. You. You thought this was a. You thought it was a guarantee. It's like, I feel like you do got to be in it.
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Bruce Arians
You have to be.
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Host
I didn't know if the sky view, though, gave you more, you know, like.
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Peter Schrager
Well, that's what Zach was saying because I asked him about. I think. I mean, by the way, you won't find better football talk than what we're doing right now. This is so interesting to, like, the fans because you don't hear this stuff. And BA Is the perfect guy to have.
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Host
He won't listen, it's like here, he.
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Peter Schrager
Says to what to what BA was saying. He could just be in his own chill environment. And when you have Kirk Cousins at quarterback, who's at a 10 year veteran, it's you call the play and Kirk hears it. We do it. It's operational story. But when you got Penix, who as good of an arm as he has, it's still his eighth start as an NFL player, you need that in between and you don't really have that when you're up top. So the solitude, the silence, you could be a mad genius up top in the booth and you can draw it up and you can be, you know, Mr. Craftsman with what you want to do, true detective with all the stuff. You can have that in the booth. You can't do that on the sidelines. You have to be with the players. I think it's such an interesting dynamic. And now they're ready. They have not looked like the same team. They have looked so good. And that Washington team that they beat two weeks ago, granted it was Mariota, went to the NFC championship game last year. The Buffalo team they beat last night went to the AFC championship game last year. They do it. It's fantastic. Ulbricht, who was, you know, as unceremonious as the goodbye to Rodgers, might have been in the jets organization, they didn't give Ulbricht much love either on the way out. And now he's got the number one defense in the league and they're clicking and he's got young guys playing out of their mind. That is a fun, fun situation right now and it's why I like being on the sidelines, boots on the ground. I'm coming out of Atlanta, I'm like, oh, there's a vibe. There's something there that is special and you could feel it in that building.
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Host
Well, the Bills went down to Georgia and they were looking for a silver steel and it's fine. And then Josh Allen turned that thing over, worst he's ever done. And he's keeping QBR's lowest that he's ever had, son. So let's talk about the other side, a little bit of this D. Bud has a question for you.
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Analyst 1
I know your boots on the ground on Atlanta side, but how surprised were you of this brick defense getting after Josh Allen? And what was your vibe from the Buffalo Bills now coming back to back, coming off of back to back losses? What's your vibe with that team going forward?
- [48:10]
Peter Schrager
Well, it's interesting because they were stung by injuries coming in no Kincaid is a huge deal. He's basically the number one wide receiver. They lose Josh Palmer early on, so it's like, who's going to step up? Well, we don't have Curtis step. So you start looking at guys and it's like, all right, if this team's going to be a Super bowl team. And I know Brandon, being our guy, is a little sensitive to this when it talk about the number one wide receiver, but in big moments, it's like, Elijah Moore is on the field and this guy Shavers is on the field. You're asking a lot from Shakir. You're asking a lot from Jackson Hawes, a rookie tight end. You're asking a lot from. So I'm watching it and I'm thinking, do they have the horses to go 18 weeks, get that home field advantage, and then do a thing or two on offense? Because you can't just ask Josh to do it all. Cook got going in the second half a little bit, but Josh Allen is Superman, and the Falcons were sending everyone at him. And I just. I don't know. With Kincaid and Palmer not on the field and Keon Coleman not exactly lighting it up the way they were using them yesterday, I don't know if that weaponry is enough to compete. You got to get those guys healthy and you got to get them on the field. So I, I was. I was surprised at how much that Atlanta defense dominated that very proud Buffalo offensive line. They did. But I do want to give them some grace and say, let's get out of the five. Let's get some health here.
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Co-host 2
Let's get some Triggs.
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Bruce Arians
Agree.
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Peter Schrager
Let's see what happens.
- [49:29]
Host
I agree with you. They still got Josh Allen. Let's assume they still have Josh Allen. They paid Shakira this offseason. I think they thought he would be the number one. Kincaid was clearly the number two option. James Cook out of the backfield, obviously able to do his thing. Ray Davis, a weapon. You know, they have a lot out there. They just.
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Analyst 1
Good old line.
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Co-host 2
They got all of that 50 mil.
- [49:48]
Host
Yeah, they. They got. That was a tough night for them, but that's going to happen. It's a long season. 18 weeks. Not everybody can be 5 and 1. Only two teams can.
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Co-host 2
That's true.
- [49:56]
Host
Only one team from the AFC could be 5 and 1.
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Co-host 2
That's true.
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Host
You know, that is.
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Bruce Arians
Who's that? Indianapolis coach. Yeah.
- [50:02]
Host
Who's the coach of the year on the AFC side?
- [50:04]
Bruce Arians
Still give it to Brave right now.
- [50:07]
Host
All right, let's. Let's talk about some coaches. Shall we? We saw Callahan gone. I think you heard the tail end of our conversation there. Go ahead.
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Co-host 1
Yeah. Shrikes, does that kind of open the top for maybe some of these other teams who are on the, on the fence about, you know, firing their coaches? Does that kind of get the, the ball rolling here? What are you hearing about some other coaches around the league that might be on the hot seat?
- [50:26]
Peter Schrager
Yeah, I don't think there's much of a trickle down because they're not going to hire anyone right now. What they can do, maybe after Thanksgiving you could start getting your eyes on some coaches and say, all right, let's start the process early. The Tennessee situation is very, very unique. And I appreciate Dan Orlovsky and I appreciate all the people online who are like, here's an offensive coach that works. Here's an offensive coach that works. McCarthy, you got to want to go there, because right now there is from the outside looking in some real dysfunction, and that is you. You had John Robinson, who BA knows is as good of an evaluator as anybody. Okay, so you fire your GM middle mid season. That happens. Then you fire Mike Vrabel and you're thinking, okay, well, maybe his act or whatever it is, maybe Ron ran out with that team or with that owner. Okay. But then they hired Ran Carthon, and you got the stuff here from Albert.
- [51:11]
Co-host 2
Bang.
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Peter Schrager
Then of course, this guy Brinker, who was Rand's assistant, gets promoted above Rand, and then Callahan's fire hired. He's fired. Borgonzi's hired as gm, he brings in Ziggler. But you still have this Brinker. Then the owner's not there, and it's like, all right, do I want to do this? Is this an ideal situation? Who's calling the shots? What do we have? Because Cam Ward, for as good as he might be, he's a very raw quarterback. He was at Incarnate Word. Then he goes to Washington State, then he goes to Miami, then he's thrown in as an NFL starting quarterback. That's a. If you're not going to have patience with your offensive coach, who was not only with Joe Burrow, but was once with Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, Derek Carr, like, Brian Callahan's not some schmuck. Like, he could do this. So if you're not going to have some patience with him, if you are one of these top coaches, is that a desirable job? I need to know the building. I need to know who I'm reporting to, and I want to know that everyone's on the same page. Something that wasn't really talked about highly. Like, Brian Callahan's an offensive coach. He had play calling duties, you know, taken away from him. Whether he gave them up or it was taken away and then the quarterback's coach was calling the play. The last couple, yes.
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Host
That's a weird deal. Like, that's a little. And the owner. Hold on. An owner, Not a press conference.
- [52:30]
Bruce Arians
Owner at.
- [52:30]
Host
Not a press conference, too. I mean, there's some suits that have a lot of power over there, it seems like is what we're hearing. We love that. We love. Whenever the suits start saying, would you.
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Peter Schrager
Ever give up play calling to the quarterback coach? What are you talking about?
- [52:42]
Bruce Arians
Never. There's a lot of suits in that building. Need to go to a drag cleaner and leave them there. Don't pick them up.
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Host
That's amazing. Everyone's going to assume this is like.
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Peter Schrager
All right, well, who do I want? Who's the ideal list? You might not get the ideal list. You know, you might not get the pick of the litter. The jets last year. Everyone's like, well, who? Well, Variable should go to the Jets.
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Co-host 1
Vrabel1.
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Peter Schrager
You think variable wants to go to the Jets? No, Variable's gonna go to the Patriots. Like, I want the stable situation. I want the place.
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Co-host 1
I know.
- [53:10]
Peter Schrager
So I say all that to say, yeah, it might lead to a trickle down effect. The names I would look at are people who feel confident walking into that building. The name that hasn't been mentioned much. Borgonzi is a really, really good evaluator of talent. Great dude. Also worked with Matt Nagy for many, many years in Kansas City.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
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Peter Schrager
So if Nagy has another Big Year, like, maybe it's another time. We give him another shot.
- [53:33]
Host
Yeah.
- [53:33]
Peter Schrager
Because they have a relationship.
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Co-host 1
There it is.
- [53:35]
Peter Schrager
I'm talking out of my fanny on this one. I don't know that. Do a full search and let's actually interview him, everybody.
- [53:41]
Host
Yeah, listen, sometimes you got to sit down on your fanny and do some thinking about it, you know, that's what you got to do. You pull some stuff out of there. We've been pitching Mike McCarthy, but to your point, does Mike McCarthy want to get out of. What's that lake he goes up to in North?
- [53:54]
Co-host 1
Yeah, he's talking about Door County.
- [53:56]
Host
Door County?
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
- [53:57]
Host
So I'm going to miss Door county to go down. Is this Brinker's Opera? Who's where. Who's Is the owner here? No, who am I? We should ask. We're definitely asking him.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, yeah.
- [54:08]
Host
We'll pull this clip out, we'll say Coach, this is what we said about the Titan situation. Is this an accurate indication of how it be. But it is interesting because they got a new stadium coming or a renovation coming, whatever it is. Nashville is one of the greatest cities on earth. Like, that is, no questions asked. That place is magical. When we seen that they are a football place, obviously with the draft showing up us with the Colts going down there, we always played them. It was. It normally meant something, but they had filled up the people singing the national anthem. Anthem, always. So it's awesome. Super celebrity and yeah, like, independently, you.
- [54:39]
Peter Schrager
Could make the argument it was time to fire. It was time to move on from Variable, or it was time to move on from Callahan. But when you put it all together in that time frame, you say, okay, well, what. What's going on here?
- [54:49]
Host
Yeah. All right, last question here. Speaking of GMs, and whoever's in charge, they can still make some plays. Go ahead, con man.
- [54:55]
Co-host 2
Yeah, straight. You're plugged in. We all know with the GMs, who do you think is going to be the most, Most active over these next three weeks before the trade deadline?
- [55:02]
Peter Schrager
Oh, I like that. I find it interesting because you've got some teams that we didn't expect to be where they are. And maybe you guys thought the Colts, like, do they go and they make a big swing. Chris Ballard's never scared to listen and take a phone call, right? You look at a team, you look at a team such as, oh, I don't know, we're looking at the list here. You look at the LA Rams, like, okay, Seahawks and 49ers. 49ers just got banged up again. They lost Freddie Warner. We Seahawks, we beat them Week one. Like, do they take a swing? Because you got to look at the characteristics of the personalities of these general managers. Brandon Bean is always a Wheeler and dealer. Les Sneed loves the art of the deal. I mentioned Chris Ballard. He's always down for that kind of stuff. And then Howie Roseman's an obvious one. So I look at those for GM Ed Policy, and I say, are they saying everyone's expecting the Patriots or some of these other teams, like, Patriots, Packers. I know the packers made the Micah deal. I. I would. I would see before.
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Host
You don't know. Ed Policies. New policies for the Packers. Baby Cormont, Right?
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [56:07]
Host
You know, they make moves.
- [56:09]
Co-host 1
I was gonna say Ed Policy. He might go out and grab the three best available players on the trade deadline.
- [56:15]
Host
We don't know. We'd like to let Ed Policy know. We appreciate the way he's moved, moving and grooving. Pittsburgh Steelers also big time movers and Groovers when they haven't been over the past.
- [56:22]
Peter Schrager
Maybe that's the new Omar's done a nice job. Too aggressive.
- [56:24]
Host
They call them the corners because he gets deals done. Now Tomlin's calling out Andrew Barry for the deals that he's getting done, but maybe in a long term it'll end up working out just like D. But said dregs, we appreciate you. Your move to ESPN has worked out for us and for sports fans. We appreciate the hell out of you.
- [56:39]
Peter Schrager
Grateful. Hey, and also that Rushmore stuff you're doing. I have opinions on all of these topics. Guys. I know you're posting about it. I have. I have many opinions on Best Rock Band. Are you serious? I could. I love, I love that you got Rick Rubin. I love Jimmy Iov. I I got thoughts here.
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Host
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Dan Orlovsky
Hey fans.
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Host
Welcome back to Fansville's Cheers and Tears. Okay, so like everybody deals with losing, right? To a rival and a last second field goal, whatever. It's fine. I'm totally fine. But I cope with losing with an ice cold Dr. Pepper.
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Analyst 1
Mmm.
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Host
Those 23 flavors are like so delicious. They totally wash away the pain of.
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Co-host 1
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Host
Fat L. College football. It's a pepper thing.
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Co-host 1
Football.
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Host
Oh my God.
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Co-host 1
Yes.
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Analyst 1
Yes sir.
- [58:51]
Host
That was a. That was a false start ladies and gentlemen, 47 year football coach Bruce Arians is here. Sorry for stepping on you there, cutting you off. That's very rude of me to do toxic tables here at Boston. Connor at Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. And a man joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a college football national champion, super bowl champion Ryder cup winner and a guy that won over two last night on AJ Hawk Hawker. Tough one for you.
- [59:21]
Analyst 1
You're welcome.
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Co-host 3
You're welcome for I gave you those two victories last night. But it's good though. I like when we're both, you know, we're both doing all right.
- [59:27]
Host
Yeah, we're. We're both tied heading into week seven. This is where we're supposed to be. You know, this is where we're, we're actually supposed to be. We're seeing it the exact same way now. On that note, you just said you gave it to me. I would have picked the two teams that I picked.
- [59:41]
Bruce Arians
Okay.
- [59:41]
Co-host 2
Okay.
- [59:41]
Host
All right. I didn't just pick the opposite side of you for both games because I was down two and needed both. Okay. I didn't do that. I made those decisions before you made the decision. I actually talked you into the decisions that you made because I knew where I wanted to go. On that note, shout to my Bears and my Falcons. We are so good. The Unders knew we are so boom. You wanted overs. I mean, I actually won. I mean, if we're going to keep doing this, I hadn't been seeing a board and last night it became crystal clear, baby. So let's talk about my Bears and my Falcons. Let's start with the Falcons. What they were able to do to the Bills was fantastic. And I just went to the bathroom, as we all did, and I saw a couple people tweeting us from Falcons fan hoods and basically said like, hey, thanks for not just talking the whole time about the Buffalo Bills being terrible. Thanks for mentioning that we're actually kind of good. What do they have ba the number one what? And the number one what?
- [60:33]
Bruce Arians
Number one defense, Number two offense.
- [60:35]
Host
Okay, so right now the Atlanta Falcons are balling. Now they get their asses beat by the Carolina Panthers, which I think makes everybody go, ha. They stink. We knew they were going to stink. Bad decisions have been made. They've embarrassed themselves publicly. That is what everybody wanted. That Carolina Panthers thing with the Pennock stuff and the cousin stuff and the hiring stuff and all this stuff, that is what people want to do. You know, they want to make sure that their original opinion was the right one. Even though new evidence is shown to them, and it certainly contradicts everything you believe, you still want to be right the first time. Which is why I think Shanahan and Mac Jones is always going to be a thing, but humans naturally want to be right. I think a lot of people are going to have to wake up to this Falcons team, AJ after watching them last night. Now, granted, I'm a huge Bills fan. I love Josh Allen. But this Falcons team with this Bijon Robinson guy, and then you hear what Trager just said, where they know it, they know he's the guy. Whenever you go through your run game, that travels. When you go through the run game, you don't have to worry about maybe one person being on or another person having good timing. Whenever you can dominate people and run the ball and then also spruce in everything else that they can do. You can win big games and big moments. AJ I believe in this Falcons team because of last night.
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Co-host 3
Oh, I absolutely believe. I mean, their defense is awesome. Like, the amount of pressure they're able to get on Josh Allen make him uncomfortable. They just. The offense never really was able to get going. I feel like, for Buffalo, because that Atlanta defense was so good. But they talked about on the broadcast actually, like, Bichon is awesome. Well, first off, the Bijan Bajan situation, Dan was calling him Bichon. A couple other guys in the booth were saying Bijan, and then they just started saying Robinson. So it felt like no one was exactly comfortable with how to. How to.
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Host
With that.
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Co-host 3
I do, too. Like, I know. I guess he wants to go by Bichon. So that's how I will.
- [62:11]
Host
Do we know if that's true or not? Because we just kind of made that up yesterday as a reason for us to say Bijon. Remember? That was in real time. Did we see the clip?
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Analyst 1
He spoke. I'll send it. I'll find it again. But he spoke on a basis. Says he doesn't care if it's Bijan.
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Co-host 3
Okay, good.
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Analyst 1
He has mispronounced it as well. So, like, what is he?
- [62:26]
Host
What did he say, though?
- [62:28]
Analyst 1
I think it's a bija.
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Co-host 2
What's McConaughey called?
- [62:31]
Co-host 1
That's a good question.
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Co-host 2
That's always a great question.
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Co-host 3
Probably something sweet.
- [62:34]
Host
Probably something for Texas, right?
- [62:37]
Co-host 2
BR.
- [62:38]
Host
But you're talking about BR. You're talking about BR5. This guy. He is vastly different. Yeah. Probably does call him a cool nickname. So if he doesn't care, I'm calling him Bijon because that sounds a lot better. Is this the video do we know if this is the video? Run it. We got a video. Bijan Robinson, University of Texas. Who even said, why did that happen yesterday? Robinson, Texas. Sorry, one more time. Bijan Robinson, Texas. All right, no more discussion. I'm done with it.
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Co-host 1
Who was it that said that?
- [63:08]
Host
DAN OS, 200 times. FaceTime him, please. Right now, he might be traveling. We need to let him know that what he did was. It is clearly Bijon. Always has been. To not be.
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Bruce Arians
I mean, when you call yourself that, I think that's your name.
- [63:22]
Host
Yes. As a guy that has been caught up in one of the most phonetic failure pronounced names of all time because of a complete change of pronunciation from a draft night to midway through season in Okariki, who then changes the pronunciation of his name, which I'm completely cool with, to go back to honor his family and everything like that, to Okaraque. But then a video runs of somebody on draft night going okorique, screaming it. And then all of a sudden, he changes his name completely. You feel terrible. You do feel terrible. That's a big night. And I am overemphasizing the mispronunciation of your name in the long run, so that's certainly something. But that was given. And that's how the name was pronounced at the time. This guy just coming on our show, acting as a journalist. I'm down here, I've been talking to the team, that whole thing. And then pronouncing the name wrong, putting us in a bad spot. Not happening.
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Co-host 1
And he said on his board, phonetically, it is B E, E, Z, H, A, N. So he saw that, saw Bijan, and then talked to the guy. Yeah, exactly. And just said, you know what? I'm gonna call him Bajan.
- [64:27]
Host
That's the man that did that. Dan Orlovsky.
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Co-host 2
Dan, what are you doing?
- [64:32]
Host
Why did you do that to us? I mean, we're back to it. We called you in the middle of lunchy time. I do apologize for that. That's 100, all 1:07. Very standard snack time for every human in the world. We get it. Why'd you do that to us with Bijon? And after watching them, do you go, wow, Bijan be gone when he get D ball. Is there a lot of those conversations happening now?
- [64:55]
Dan Orlovsky
I honestly don't to this day know how to pronounce his name. I'm not trying to be B. John.
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Host
It's on your card. He said it.
- [65:03]
Dan Orlovsky
We said, we get those cards all the time and they're wrong all the time. We'll have The PR staffs come in an hour before the game and go, you guys need anything? And we'll go gut. Can you guys confirm this pronunciation? And they'll be like, actually, it's this, so.
- [65:19]
Host
All right, Dan. Hold on, though. I don't like what's happening. Now to Dan's point, we got more video footage coming out. This is from Fox 5 Atlanta. Bijan Robinson, Texas. We all been pronouncing your name Bijan. Rob, what you say that was the wrong video. Two videos right now. He's got two videos going at once right now. Tell you what. What? Can't have that. No, no.
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Co-host 1
I got a million B. Johns.
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Co-host 3
Oh, my God.
- [65:43]
Host
Happy. It wasn't anything else in the history. Can we go to that video from Fox 5 Atlanta there and only run that one? Because I think there is a. A potential Dan Orlovsky case that ends up getting made. A lot of people ask. I want to get it right. Okay. Okay. I guess my name. How you pronounce my name is. Is Bijon.
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Bruce Arians
Okay?
- [66:00]
Host
Like, that's how you say my name. But I say. I say Bijan, okay? And my mom's like, why do you say your name like that? Like, I mean, that's just how everybody says it, But I don't. I don't. It doesn't really, like, affect me on. On how it's said. So if you guys want to say Bijan, like, go ahead, but if you guys want to say Bijan, I mean, I'm. I'm cool with that, too, but are we going to hear from your mom if we say Bijan? You might.
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Bruce Arians
She.
- [66:28]
Host
No, she might. She might say so. I mean, she. She even told me. She was like. She called me the other day. She was like. Like, these people were talking about you, but they always talk about you and they say Bijan. And I'm like, what's wrong with that? Like, that's what I say. And she's like, no, like, so, okay, so Dan and I would like to let everybody know we will pay respect to mom. It is Bijon. Dan, I take back every terrible thing I said about you, okay? I said a lot of bad things for you there because I thought you put us into a Jack by in.
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Dan Orlovsky
This situation or in total forever.
- [66:59]
Host
I'm talking about this situ.
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Co-host 1
You don't get ahead of your skis here.
- [67:02]
Host
Yeah, you need to watch where you're going. But I like, you have dad season right there, and we're looking out for mom. So it's Bijon, but he just gave up telling People, I assume.
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Co-host 1
Well, he's kind of the one who's kind of saying, like, listen, Mom, I don't give a. If you name me Bian. I like saying bijon. That's basically what he said. So, I mean, if he's not even gonna do it, I don't know.
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Bruce Arians
Bijon be gone is better.
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Host
Yeah. Bijon be gone is certainly.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah. And.
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Host
But hold on. We got to the bottom of it with a chan.
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Co-host 1
No, I mean, we kind of just. We had to move past that one.
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Host
Because he's a Dolphin.
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Co-host 1
Yeah. And. Well, that's a big part of it. And also, nobody knows. I don't think we're ever gonna find out.
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Host
Okay. And. Because I think there's too many accents involved in that.
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Co-host 1
Exactly.
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Host
You know, because there's different.
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Dan Orlovsky
Also, Pat, I found out last night you don't pronounce the second t in Atlanta. It's Atlanta, duh.
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Host
Ladies and gentlemen, that's Dan Orlovsky. You had good game last night. Yeah. Dan. Well, there's a lot of things. Yes. Today. You know, and why.
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Bruce Arians
Why did that happen?
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Host
What are you saying? Get kicked off.
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Bruce Arians
It was just.
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Host
Good moment. Yeah. I could get back onto. You're right. With the bichon. But Bijan, technically, potentially, possibly the right answer. We're kind of in a Kerfunkel there, and people are gonna say we're disrespectful. Regardless of what we say. Just know we think he's a great player. How was it calling the game last night? We think you did a great job, brother. How was it getting back in the booth and what did you think of the atmosphere and the teams more specifically?
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Bruce Arians
Yeah.
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Dan Orlovsky
Thank you. The. The call was great. It was a great game. It went a little bit, at least from Atlanta's perspective. How I thought that stadium is awesome. That they had the roof open. That was the first time. Fowler's been there a bunch. The first time that he had experienced the roof open. Some of those shots up above of the aerial view of that stadium, I mean, that place is absolutely off the charts, man. I, you know, like, some of the new stadiums, Sofi and Las Vegas are sensational, but, man, look like that shot's pretty sick right there, so. It was a good environment, dude. A lot of Bills fans. Jeezy performed at halftime.
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Co-host 2
Do you know him?
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Dan Orlovsky
But game.
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Peter Schrager
I do.
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Dan Orlovsky
Game wise, it went a lot how I thought for Atlanta. I really thought Atlanta would have success running the football. Bijan or Bajan is absolutely off the charts. I mean, he's off the charts. And his ability to. I don't know if there's a back in the league that has his, you know, kind of like jump cut, stop start. Like so many backs that are zoned backs, they're like those slashers that they put that foot in the ground. It's like a one cut foot in the ground and then they slash. He's like a jump cut almost and just the strength to break tackles down the sideline. I don't know how many backs are scoring on that run. So he's a special player, man, he really is. Drake London is absolutely outstanding. I thought their defense, like if you go to Josh's touchdown pass on their opening drive, they rush four and they play zone. Josh has got all day. He pump fakes and it's a touchdown and you're sitting there going, okay, Atlanta, are you going to do that? Because if you do that, you'll get ripped up. You know, look at, look at the pocket he's got all day. I mean, no one's near him. This was, it felt like the last time he had a clean pocket. And really after that and really after the Palmer injury, they just absolutely came after Buffalo. And there is a reality for me, my two takeaways from Buffalo's offense is you gotta be in context with their injuries. I mean, Palmer being out and Kincaid being out and Samuel being out, big deal. But Keon Coleman's got to step up, man. Keon Coleman, it's year two, dude. You were drafted the guy, they make the trade, the chief said, Xavier Worthy, everything's going to be okay. Keon Coleman's going to be the guy. He's got to, he's got to kind of grow up in reality of his ability to play. You know, the fact that they're begging for someone to go make a play on the perimeter last night and they're like not even trying to feature Keon Coleman, I think is a bad sign. And like, they weren't trying to get him away from AJ Terrell. Their offensive line definitely got it handed to them by Atlanta last night. But man, Keon Coleman's got to step up for this unit. And you know, if that doesn't happen, it gives me a little bit of concern, but I think full strength, full health, Buffalo's offense is going to be what Buffalo's offense has been.
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Host
All right, we'll take that from Dan Orlovsky, the man who pronounces names right or wrong depending upon the situation, and a guy who will certainly take a swing at a take if you need one. We appreciate you, dude. Have an incredible day.
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Dan Orlovsky
Thanks, Bush.
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Host
Great work last night. You should be proud.
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Analyst 1
Crushed it.
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Dan Orlovsky
Thank you, sir. You're a good man.
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Host
You're a good man. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Ross. And let's go to the other game last night. Bears commanders. Bears get a huge win. Jake Moody hits a 38 yard field goal that he hits right down a pipe. Good for him and his career. Nice little bounce back since leaving the San Francisco 49ers. That just got weird out there. I don't know why he just stopped hitting good balls. It felt like even though we all have an immense amount of faith, he obviously won to Michigan from Michigan. The Midwestern boy gets back in a Midwest team and does great. He slept in a twin bed the night before us and he also didn't have a shower with hot or cold water. It was kind of both of them. So he took a cold shower before the game, which might become a new routine. And maybe he buys a twin bed, which is what he was sleeping in before the game as well. He certainly took some time to chit chat about how life was much better now than it was whenever he was with the Niners. And life great for the Bears, A.J. i mean, they start, oh and two, the world's falling and then now they've won three straight. Your thoughts?
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Co-host 3
I mean, it's amazing to think of what we were saying about the Bears three, four weeks ago compared to what you think now. Like early on, remember we said, hey, he, he wouldn't have taken this gig, he wouldn't take this head coaching gig if he didn't believe in Caleb, obviously had many options he could have taken. So he knew what he was capable of doing with Caleb. And I think Caleb's kind of settling in and feels good about where he's at. He, he looks very confident in the pocket right here throwing. Also, you got DeAndre Swift. That guy's a monster. That really helps, I think. Caleb, I love the blocking out here by Johnre Swift here blocking for his qb. But the Bears are, I mean, are the Bears something that the people in the NFC north are going to worry about now.
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Host
A.J. you tell me. Now here's a stat to emphasize your point about Caleb and Ben Johnson. His average time to throw was 2.65 seconds last night. That's first game under three. And if you remember Jared Goff, Ben Johnson, it was just like we're making decisions. We know exactly what's going on. Pre snap and post snap, we know what's going on. That's an Indicator I think of him understanding what the hell he's supposed to be doing. Right, A.J.
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Co-host 3
I think so, yeah, for sure.
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Host
Yeah. And every, I mean, there's some wide ass open guys. Ben Johnson's offense going to do that. But if he can operate that offense, they're going to have success in the NFC North. Oh yeah, we've already seen that obviously with the Detroit operation. And like Ben said, whenever he took the gig, you know Caleb can do stuff that Jared Goff's never dreamt of doing. If this play has to go off script, Caleb can make the magic happen. Are we going to see all of that? Bruce? Is everything that was the upside of potentially Ben and Caleb coming together. Is that all possible for this season? Do we think it's going to take a couple of years? Like what are you, are we close to seeing Caleb Williams be a top 10, top five quarterback in the NFL with Ben Johnson's leadership?
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Bruce Arians
I don't think there's any doubt as long as they keep giving that ball to DeAndre Swift. Because it all starts with that running game. If he doesn't have the running game, has to throw it 50 times, we're going to see the old Caleb because he's going to be running around for his life. They keep that running game going, which they did in Detroit. Ben always had a great running game and they looked powerful last night running the football. Especially at the end when you have to run it, then Caleb's going to be a hell of a quarterback.
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Host
They know you're running it, we know you're running it. Being able to run it is a tough bone setter. Ben Johnson's attitude almost settling in Chicago as well.
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Analyst 1
Dba, I love you all. We always see the tricky stuff with the Detroit offense and the Ben Johnson stuff, but it comes down to being able to run the ball. And then the second part of that stat that was just popped up there was 48% play action rate, I think I saw. I mean if, if he's living in that world, play action, turn his back to the defense, getting his, his eyes back down and hitting guys wide open like that is what Jared Goff did. And then when it is, when it does break down, when something happens, he can scramble for 15, 20. So he has all the tools. Ben has all the tools. It's going to be about can they continue to put a good team around him.
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Host
I, I was out on the Bears again.
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Co-host 3
Most people were.
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Host
I not publicly, I didn't, I don't think I did it in on the show into the microphone. I think I certainly did not have as much super, super optimistic praise about the Bears after seeing some things. I just thought, humans wise, this is not a good fit. Like, I just think what we learned about Ben Johnson and what we thought we knew, I guess, about both these guys. But Caleb, it's like, this ain't. I mean, Jared Goff was great for Ben Johnson because Jared Goff just like, whatever you tell me, I'll do, you know? And I think the most outside of the lines thing I've ever seen Jared Goff do is when he dressed up like a juco quarterback for, I think it was Red Bull. Oh, yeah. And he put on like Chad Powers, basically. He did. Chad Powers went and did a workout and everybody's like, whoa, who's this guy? And he's like, it's me, Jared Goff. Like, that's the most outside of football thing I've ever seen from Jared Goff. And then you got Caleb. Caleb's obviously got everything. He's got a fund, he's got a. He's got this obviously he's got the nails. I think he has a paintbrush. Like, he has businesses. He has everything. Usc, Los Angeles, Hollywood. Like, Caleb has all the bright lights, everything that could potentially be considered a distraction. Which is why it was so impressive with what Caleb was able to do because he was like the first one in this nil brand who was getting paid more than everybody. He was getting more opportunities than everybody, and he was still playing great and doing his thing. So I guess you could say he was more mature. But there was a lot of shit out of outside of the world with the modern athlete than opposed to maybe the Jared Goff generation of athlete, which is like 10 years ago, let alone 20 years ago. So I immediately thought Ben Johnson and Caleb were never going to work. That's 100% on me. I was clearly wrong. What I didn't, you know, remember at the time is that Caleb, what, has like Tom Brady stats, like on his phone. Yeah. Like Caleb Williams, if he's told what would make him great, which I assume Ben Johnson was able to do, like, hey, here's how you can be great. This is what I need from you. Exactly.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
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Host
It's like Caleb, from all understanding about his competitive spirit and what he wants to do, that's all he cares about. Everything else is kind of outside of it. I guess I should have put more respect on that, him buying into Ben Johnson's culture because he thought there would be success on the other end. And there clearly has been here five, six weeks in.
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Bruce Arians
Totally. And I think when you have an offense starting, defense sees it too. Defense is going to start playing better and better and freer and looser because their offense is scoring points and not turning over every damn time. So it, it's hand in hand. That's how that team gets built. And Ben's doing a great job with.
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Analyst 1
Playing the Chicago NFC north too. Like, you're gonna have to win ugly games like that one last night. You're gonna have to be able to run the ball. You're gonna have to be able to take care of the ball in shitty weather games. And that's not something you necessarily thought of when you saw Caleb Williams and we all talked about it building from the outside in, having those great weather weapons on the outside, but not having the O line when you have that O line and you can run the ball. Like, we haven't really even seen Luther Burden be a big factor in this offense. Week in and week out, we see what Rome is becoming. We know who DJ Moore is. Loveland, who got drafted before Tyler Warren, he made some big plays, but I don't think we've seen him yet. So it's a lot of growth there left for this team. Just on the offensive side. And then defensively you got a former head coach, Dennis Allen. He's going to have those boys playing well as well.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, I'll play devil's advocate, just. Green Bay packers owner. Exactly. Because I'm a Packers fan. So you can take it with a grain of salt. There's no two ways about it. Like, they are getting better week over week. We talk about competing in the North. Like they got their asses kicked by the Lions and they've gotten beat by the Vikings. So their only two losses have been to the NFC North. Now granted, that's earlier in the season. I think one thing you could say about the Bears, to give them a lot of credit is in years past, they start out 0 and 2 like you, they start sprinkling a little bit, it rains on them and then the season is just over. Like before Thanksgiving. For them to start 0 and 2 and be like, hey, every, the sky is not falling. We're going to be okay. And to look as good as they have the last couple weeks like that is obviously very promising if you're a Bears fan.
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Host
Moody, good kicker in my eyes as well. NFC north though, AJ if you think about it, obviously got Caleb and Ben, you got Jordan LaFleur, Jared Goff and MCDC is just what we're going to have to say now at this point, he's a little bit older. And then there's a really young duo over there in Minnesota. Con man.
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Co-host 2
Yeah, that's just like the biggest question mark. And to Ty's point, just to kind of pile on the Bears for a second there, they did completely screw up Loveland just because Warren's already the best tight end in the league. But when you look at the Vikings, like, that's the next question. Just the law of averages. Okay. We got five quarterbacks from last year's rookie class and they're all playing incredible football. And all of their teams base, I think all of them have winning records are.500. And then there's JJ McCarthy. So if you're thinking about it, you know, just zoomed out, you would assume that might not work. And they've only showed one good quarter of football and it was against the Bears when they weren't really hadn't figured it out yet. So like my question for you guys, like, especially you, Bruce. Yeah. Like, do you think JJ and KOC will work? Because at the current moment, in. In time, they really screwed the pooch letting Sam Darnold go.
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Host
Whoa. Yeah. I'd say Sam Darnold be balling for Koc. What could they do? Salary cap wise and JJ McCarthy getting hurt and not playing more is not good. How do you feel they end up?
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Co-host 1
And they let Dan Jones out of the building.
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Co-host 2
Sorry, forgot about that.
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Host
Yeah. And they had an offer allegedly that was a little bit more than a Colts, but it wasn't a. Because we're. He's paying what, 13 million for us?
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Co-host 1
Yeah, something like that.
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Host
Which Daniel Jones. We can't.
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Bruce Arians
Hey. Yeah.
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Host
We love you, D. We absolutely love.
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Co-host 2
Legitimately need him here for. For a decade.
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Host
We are so thankful you're here. And let me tell you, I don't have any say in it, but if I was a public owner like they are of the Packers, I would say give this man his money. Let's go ahead and let Danny Dimes find a nice house here that might be for sale soon in Indianapolis, you know, and maybe, you know, call himself home here in Indiana. But yes, Minnesota Vikings had him in the building last year and because of how much they liked him, I think that is why a lot of other people liked him as well. Like, hey, KOC and the Vikings are saying good things now. They get Aaron Rodgers was potentially going to go to Minnesota. They said no, Sam Darnold was there. Danny Dimes was there. And Aaron Rodgers said he wanted to be a. Allegedly said he would be open to conversations with the Minnesota Vikings, even though I don't think that was ever completely confirmed by either party. And we're not confirming that right now. But whenever you think about them choosing jj, they're going to give him a lot of time to figure it out. You think because of that decision being made or what do you think on them building back their relationship?
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Bruce Arians
I don't think there's any doubt. They put that C on his chest for a reason. When a rookie quarterback gets a C on his chest, he's got something special. He's got Carson Wentz playing really good right now. So it's like I'm not counting out the Vikings for sure and especially Kevin o'. Connell. That's going to be a division, kind of like the SEC on a nine game schedule. They're going to knock the shit out of each other every week.
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Host
The NFC north is going to be a double in the sec. We're staring. If you start looking ahead, forecasting schedules for ranked teams in every single conference. The Big Ten, a lot of their good teams, they're playing a lot of teams that don't have numbers next to them going ahead.
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Bruce Arians
Okay.
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Host
In the acc, you're seeing a lot of teams playing teams that don't have numbers next to them. The sec, all the teams at the top with numbers next to it, they're all playing each other, other over the next five weeks or so. Four or five weeks. And boy, the SEC folks are going to get loud. Oh, so let me get to the Big Ten doesn't got a fucking play anybody. We play everybody. We get a couple losses and we're not allowed into college football play. Yeah, right. Big 12 is playing ranked. I mean, this weekend, BYU, Utah, Arizona State has a couple big ones going down. So it's like even Big 12 has ranked games with Penn State not being ranked, which I think, you know, a lot of people are assuming would be another big game on the schedule. It's going to get loud at the end. Whenever we're talking about playoff seats. Just would like to let everybody. It's going to get real, AJ it is going to be louder than it was last year. And I'm here for it certainly because what happened to Tennessee when they came up to the North.
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Co-host 1
Bingo.
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Host
In the College Football Playoff, what was that? Everybody's talking about Texas having a bad year. Well, maybe that's because they came up to the north to start their season.
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Bruce Arians
Season.
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Host
There's gonna be that angle. Oh, yeah, as well.
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Analyst 1
Who's won the last two, last two national championships?
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Host
Oh, that's an.
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Co-host 1
Oh, that's right.
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Host
Big Ten. Oh my God. It's set up so good for so much, so much fodder. All right, let's talk about some NFL news. So talk about some NFL. Brian Branch has been suspended for one game for his smack in the mouth. A juju Smith Schuster during the potential dap up era of a football game. Now I do appreciate that they say, yeah, juju got tossed around by his helmet and he ended up bleeding from the nose. And he obviously thought that they were going for a dap up. Even though a lot of people are showing a block from like 3 minutes and 20 seconds left in the game where juju cracks down and really gets Brian Branch pretty good. I mean this is, this is quite crack. Quite a shot. And, and juju was tough football. And Branch right there would say like, yeah, you got me in my back though. And juju said I didn't call it. So that is probably the entire interaction right there. I think juju potentially thought it was over at that moment. We're moving on. He's screaming. The sideline goes the dap up. Branch smacks it, says, no, actually I'm not done. With his hands on waste. I hate you. Shot to the mouth. Everybody wondered what was going to happen because the melee that ensued, obviously the NFL is going to have to figure things out. He did do a little weedy toss. Eating a thrown. Obviously it's a very dangerous situation. Camera people in there. Nobody blowing out their knee or the ankle is obviously a good thing. We assume the NFL would do a punishment. Jalen Carter before they, they even stepped foot on the first play because of the spitting incident, he got suspended. That game basically is what they considered. A lot of people assumed this was going to be a similar situation. He suspended for one game. I love that they say suspended without pay. It's like, like they're reminding people that suspensions, you don't get paid. Like this is them saying he is getting fined because he's not getting paid. Okay, so he's getting suspended and getting fined. Anytime somebody suspended, they are getting fined because they're not getting paid for. So it feels like during the rollout of this it was a reminder to people like we are taking money out of his pocket for this. And also he's going to be suspended because I was suspended for a game for a public intoxication situation and boy, no game check. You start adding up the fines. I got $150 fine from Marion County. I got a $29,000 fine from the NFL for a bucket. You start doing the math. It's like, oh my God, game checks are real. Never want to hear game checks on the line for anything unless you're very sure of it. Unless you're very sure of it. But he misses a game and 118 of his yearly salary, which I think we all assumed was going to be the case. AJ yeah.
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Co-host 3
This is why you want. If you're signing a new deal, you want to have league minimum in your salary and you want your money in bonuses. So if you do get set down for a game, it may be, you know, I don't know, $80,000 instead of 3 million. If you have a huge base salary.
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Host
That's it.
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Co-host 3
That's one benefit of having your money come in bonuses, I feel like. And having a low salary when it comes to how it's structured. But I mean, are you. We're not shocked, are we, that he got to spend the game, you know, don't punch that.
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Bruce Arians
That.
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Co-host 3
That obvious.
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Host
Yeah. It's gonna happen.
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Co-host 3
Nothing happened to Juju though, right? He's cool.
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Host
He's gonna get a money. I don't know actually, because he's just defending himself and he got weed around. Yeah. BA what do you think? Whenever you see this type of situation, obviously physical altercations, it's a physical sport. There have been fights in the history of football. I think the way this all went down had MCDC afterwards saying, that ain't who we are. This ain't what we're known for. And then Foxy Detroit Lions fan comes out and says, a lot of people want to smack juju. Smith Schuster, a lot of people. Brian Branch did that. No matter how disgusting Foxy tried to turn this incident into. What are your thoughts on it all and did you expect a one game suspension?
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, it's going to be at least one. I would have hoped to see more because there's no place for this, no place for this post game. So many people could have got hurt and. And that could have turned into a huge melee had other guys got involved. Thank God the cooler heads prevail. Guys were trying to get them off the pile, stop it. Instead of joining in, start throwing helmets and all the shit that can happen. I would have. I've been fine with three games.
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Host
Okay, so that's Ba man who was in the NFL for 27 years. And we thought that there was going to be a big precedent set by the NFL camera Media people are in there. Yeah. Anytime it's like, hey, this ain't. These aren't our people.
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Co-host 3
Like, yeah, how did they not tear their acl? Like, when people were getting thrown around those camera guys? It's unbelievable. No one else got hurt in this. Like, any of the civilians on the field weren't just.
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Host
There was a high stepper, I think, from a camera that got him out from underneath some stuff. And I think that is why BA Saying what he's saying, though. It's like the NFL could very easily say, hey, these aren't our people that you guys are currently potentially affecting. And also, there's a lot of talkers in this sport. Okay? So when the game's over, we can't have people just fighting because of what was being said or happening in the game. We thought a big Preston was going to. Now, one game, I think, is huge. That's a big deal. That is a big deal. Now you're saying three games, obviously a little bit more of a message to everybody, which I completely concur. Speaking from a player's perspective, you only have 17 opportunities a year to kind of do your thing, let alone earn the check of it all. So one game suspension is a big deal. Nobody did get hurt. Right. So, like, that is Brian Branches. That's Brian Branch's angle. Like, hey, you saw the camera people. I clearly was telling them too, Whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, while I was tossing juju around in the head. But it was a wild scene that I don't think any of us expected in primetime.
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Co-host 2
Well, and that's my question for you, B.A. like, I get it. Sure. I mean, the fact that you said three games is absurd to me. But, like, Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore, you were his coach. They got into it on the field. He got kicked out. I don't know what his suspension was, but this wasn't the only thing. Like, a lot of people were saying Brian Branch was kind of a piece of crap for shoving off Mahomes, you know, before he did that. But if you went back and watched the game, Mahomes, you know, points at Brian Branch after scoring a touchdown, flips the ball in front of Brian Branch after scoring a touchdown, and then flexes while staring at Brian Branch after scoring a touchdown. So, like, three games. Okay, but like, when Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore got into it, like, what's your messaging to the team? And what was, you know, his suspension when that happened?
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Bruce Arians
It was one game. It was a game two, too. And I Probably started that one, so.
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Host
That'S fair.
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Bruce Arians
And I got. I got kicked off the sideline for the rest of my career, too, so.
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Host
Yeah, but I think.
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Bruce Arians
But no, for me, three games. Not necessarily without pay. One for sure. All right. But all that you're talking about happens between the lines. That goes on every week. Between the lines. This is outside the lines. All right. Post game. Most guys are praying. All right. Now you're bringing civilians in. I'm not sure. There's not. Some cameraman might got a kick that's going to have a civil lawsuit in it.
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Host
You're saying money slipped and failed. Yeah, I actually have some PTSD as well. From what I've seen. You saw juju fly through the sky. His nose was bleeding right in front of me. Oh, my God. I'm not gonna be able to get back out there. Yeah, it was scary. It was scary scene. But they. Yeah, all of it's sad. They'll move on. BA Is talking, though, as a person that has been in these altercations, saying we can't be carrying what we're saying in the second quarter into the post game. Like, that can't. That can't be with the post game to the bus. There are some things that have been like, cj, gj. Let's assume that he has potentially said some things. First quarter, second quarter, third quarter, or maybe fourth quarter. How about overtime if we get an opportunity? We're going to say that when this game ends, though. Can't be fighting on field because of something that happened is basically what BA Is implying. Yeah. Can't carry over the game into a time whenever it's not live action. Yeah. Now, if you want to meet each other in the back hallway, which has happened, swing away. You guys want to go ahead and.
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Bruce Arians
Get out by the buses on the.
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Host
Bus, we can block this thing. You guys need to handle some stuff. You got to do what you got to do. Now, wasn't that the NBA? Yeah. They called the police.
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Analyst 1
Kevin Garden.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
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Analyst 1
And I think Melo.
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Host
No, Phoenix. Was it Phoenix?
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Co-host 2
It was Phoenix. It was Phoenix. And the Clippers and Chris Paul, allegedly they were going to meet in the back or whatever. And Charles Barkley and Sha.
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Analyst 1
Oh, yeah, that was a different one. Yeah.
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Host
Yeah. There was a cops. I think cops were called at one point because that was the whole conversation. It's like police are getting called because you guys want to fight each other in the back. Like, let's take it easy, boys. You want to throw hands, let's do this.
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Co-host 1
Like, by all means let's do this.
- [91:27]
Host
Like civilized gentlemen here. Let's rally around, let's get our hockey sticks, let's stick tap for this thing. It's crazy what is acceptable in one sport and not in another. And it's like, you can't fight in football. And after the game, we can't have you fighting and potentially tearing out the cameraman. We learned that lesson AR Anthony Richardson's story is an interesting one. His professional career thus far, if it was to be a book, would certainly be a must read. Just because of all the twists and turns that you think can't happen to somebody who has the incredible upside that his body currently has. So incredibly athletic, so incredibly gifted, so incredibly dynamic. Like, makes you think this guy could be greatest of all time. I believe there was a lot of people in the Indianapolis Colts organization at the highest levels that thought that, hey, this is the most gifted person to ever come into the NFL. Well, he's only played like 13 games or something in total. Yeah, but we can get him there. We can get him there. We can do that. So literally drafted on potential and opportunity became a storyline in of itself whenever opportunities were starting to disappear because of injuries or other situations brewing off the field. Now we have the most recent one. This guy was warming up, trying to do the right thing. He came into the season, I think, a much better professional quarterback, I think people would say, came in early, seemed to be prepared. Now there's still football stuff that he had not experienced or learned in his life. That was certainly on display in the first preseason game against Baltimore when they ran a very standard pressure and he gets demolished without even seeing it. Ends up breaking his pinky, which once again, whole nother storyline to his added short NFL career thus far. So they go a different direction with Danny Dimes. He is nothing but positive on the sideline. He is nothing but a helper to Danny Dimes. He's dapping people up on the sidelines. It's like this guy is buying into everything that he has to be in here trying to do the right thing. Warming up in a locker room, bands posted on something on a wall. Something falls off wall.
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Bruce Arians
Okay.
- [93:30]
Host
I don't know what it was. It was wrapped around something that was on wall, off wall, hits him in face. Okay. Immediate blood, I guess from what I've been told, blood immediate to hospital and surgery. And I think they're going to plastic. I think it's like. I think it's like the most unlucky situation could have blinded him.
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Co-host 3
Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.
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Bruce Arians
I don't.
- [93:53]
Host
I don't know the entire insight, but it's something off wall hits, and then it's immediate. Like, obviously orbit.
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Co-host 3
Was it orbital?
- [94:00]
Host
Yeah, yeah. Broke his orbital bone. And it's like, that's really close, like, to your point of his eye. But it's like, how unlucky can a dude get? You know, like, needed reps, got hurt, couldn't play.
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Bruce Arians
Okay.
- [94:11]
Host
Need to learn something. Can't. Because can't play to learn thing. Then has opportunity to learn, grow, watch a pro, be a part of a good team, be a part of a good culture. And all of a sudden, yeah, you gotta go, actually, because the wall falls and hits you in the face. It's like, this dude's unlucky. He's incredibly gifted. I assume he's gonna maintain a positive mindset like he has, but geez Louise, this guy can't buy a break right now. BA Now, a lot of people say he hasn't set himself up to in the past, but this year, it felt like he was doing everything right and still has. The football gods.
- [94:42]
Bruce Arians
Yeah. You hate to see it happen, especially in something crazy like that. You know, he was making all the right moves, trying to learn. I think he's learning a lot watching Danny's prepare and seeing another pro prepare, and it's just a shame for the guy.
- [94:55]
Host
Yeah, I hope he. I hope it all. AAR Pull for you, brother. Godspeed. Absolutely crazy. Let's talk about some game balls. BA Last week, we. I think you mentioned it in some take that you have. If I had game balls, I'd be giving this guy a game. Oh, yeah, you get. You made Ezra Cleveland. You made Liam Cohen give Ezra Cleveland a game ball. Oh, he said, hey, if I were you, I'd be giving a ball directly to Ezra. Are you going to give him a game ball? You should give him a game ball. So he was. I'm sure he was going to, but definitely publicly forced by you to give him a game ball. Because Ezra and his family saw that entire interaction, said, yeah, it's a good question, actually. Why does Liam give us game ball? This guy hates us. So we immediately thought, oh, B.A. you should give out game balls. Something that a coach does every single week. So we got BAS Game balls. You want to start in the NFC or the afc? One per is how we decided to do this.
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Bruce Arians
No. Start in the afc.
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Co-host 1
Okay.
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Bruce Arians
And it no surprise. They're back. Patrick Mahomes.
- [95:52]
Host
Congrats, P.
- [95:58]
Bruce Arians
And in the nfc, probably the most electric player. Electric player in the League right now. Bijan Robinson.
- [96:03]
Host
Bijan, baby. 170 rush yards, one rushing touchdown, 68 receiving yards. And obviously the show of the Atlanta Falcons down there had Jeezy on at halftime. We thought that was a good omen. What we didn't know fully is what Dan Orlovsky told us. This guy is the entire offense they're building around him. AJ it's special time down in Atlanta. And now congrats to Bijan. He gets the first ever BA NFC game ball. I'm incredibly proud of him, A.J.
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Analyst 1
Yeah, he is.
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Co-host 3
If you see this, I know Dano talked about it on the broadcast. Bijan's in that pistol form, like that pistol set. So he's behind the quarterback when the quarterback is in a gun. Dano is actually saying he's not a huge fan of it for the quarterback. He feels like it can make the quarterback not sure of where to drop or whatever if he's throwing the ball. But I think it does so much for this offensive. Defensively, it gives you a little bit weird, like a different look. He's almost hidden behind the quarterback. And with Bijan's patience, like, the guy's patience and vision is just off the charts. And it seems like every play too, like, oh, he's lined up at it. He's out at 1. He's a receiver. Motion him back in. And whether he's getting the ball or not, he's getting a ton of attention. And algiers, his what, 21 yard touchdown, the first score of the game. Like, I think Bijan motions out. Multiple guys are paying attention, going with them. And Algiers, awesome as well. And he just takes it to the house. So this offense, I think, is only going to get better as the season goes.
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Host
And the Buffalo Beals defense against the run and running backs was obviously soft. So that's why many people, including Dano, thought it was going to be a bad matchup for this Buffalo Bills team. And now the world's falling in Buffalo yet again and Atlanta is thriving. They have a BA game ball down coming to that locker room. And then for the afc, you said Patrick Mahomes. Let me tell you about Patrick Matt Mahomes right now. Who's the odds on favor to win the mvp? Let's go to Hammer. Don Don AP Tone.
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Todd
That would be Patrick Mahomes.
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Host
Hey, who's the odds on favorites guy win the afc?
- [97:54]
Todd
I think that's the Kansas City Chiefs.
- [97:56]
Host
Okay, so you have a couple good games of offense and all of a sudden everybody goes, yep, they woke up Rasheed Rice is about to show up. It's a real fear that we all have of the Kansas City Chiefs. And whenever we start to see them play well, we all go up. Well, the boogie monster's back. I mean, this is bad news for everybody. For the NFL though. It's awesome. I love the Patrick Mahomes is back balling. I like that Travis Kelce looks a little bit faster, quicker, leaner, meaner. I like that Andy Reid is back in his bag. I like that Spagnola's able to win these big games again. I like that the Kansas City Chiefs are good again and you gave Patrick Mahomes a game ball. Why is that? Why was he the decision? Oh, a lot of good players, four touchdowns.
- [98:37]
Bruce Arians
I mean, and everybody's writing them off. And the last three games are averaging 30 points a game. That's Kansas City Chiefs football again. Now the defense is going to start playing again. I think Chris Jones got his lesson learned and he'll be playing balls out.
- [98:50]
Host
For the rest of the year. Patrick Mahomes back to the MVP favorite because we all assume that they're just going to be around and win the big games at the end of the season. Trick him, dick them back in the Chiefs offense. And Patrick Mahomes has been running lot. Yeah, that's a little bit difference from this year versus years past. He's been running a lot. I think he feels a sense of urgency to get this offense back on track.
- [99:10]
Co-host 3
AJ Yeah, I mean, when Patrick Mahomes is doing Patrick Mahomes things like this, he's. When he used his legs, I don't know. You guys watched the quarterback thing. The, the workouts that this dude was doing in season is unbelievable. What he's, the running, all the different movements, like the pliability stuff, it's pretty amazing what he, what he can do. He's, he's, he's definitely a deceptive athlete. Where I think people underestimate his wiggle and they underestimate his speed and strength. So it's, it's a fun thing to watch. I don't know if you guys saw the clip or not. There's a clip and says, why, how can you only hear Patrick Mahomes voice over all this? And they're fighting. You know, when, when Juju and them are fighting you. Hey, hey. You can hear Mahomes voice, like trying to get everybody to stop over everyone. There's 800 people there and we can hear Patrick Mahomes trying to calm everybody down.
- [99:54]
Host
I didn't think about him quickly becoming OG or unk in the league. Patrick Mahomes, growing right in front of us, already has a goat resume and it feels like he's having like a second chapter with this Chiefs offense.
- [100:03]
Analyst 1
Debo, his, he's special. What him and Andy Reid have been able to do for this long. I mean, how many AFC championships games, how many super bowl appearances, super bowl wins at this point in the league? We had Montana and he didn't pick him because he felt like he was too old. Is this dude even 30 yet? Like, he, he's, he's, he's unbelievable. Leading the team right now in Russian, which you don't want, but he's dangerous, man. Carrying all the weight that he's carry now. Worthy's back, healthy Hollywood Brown, he's had a couple touchdown. That's going to open things up for Travis Kelsey and then Rasheed Rice, who before he got suspended and injured, he was becoming that number one receiver, that number one target. We'll see where he picks up. Now if this run game can get going outside of Patrick Mahomes, they'll be even more difficult to stop. And then spac, you know, he'll figure it out down the stretch. When it comes to the big games, they have to win.
- [100:49]
Bruce Arians
I think if you go back to the combine, the maybe the two best scramblers in the league right now, the two MVB cabinet candidates, Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield, I think they both ran 4, 8. Let me say these cats are just pocket pastors and they're running all over the place.
- [101:04]
Host
Okay, so let's talk about Baker a little bit because we are talking MVP candidates. We talked about, you know, it felt like there were six of them that got wins that could potentially be MVP candidates. Sam Darnold's in there. Obviously, Baker Mayfield is at the top of the class. Whenever you start thinking about that conversation for what he's been able to do down in Tampa, you're saying it's not just Baker. Obviously Baker's got an offensive coordinator, is new to town. Obviously you just lose Liam, you lose David Canales whenever you're down there. They got a new offensive coordinator. They got Baker. They have so many injuries. How have they had the success down there as somebody that's in the building literally weekly?
- [101:35]
Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [101:35]
Bruce Arians
I think Josh Grizzard is doing an amazing job.
- [101:38]
Host
That's new offense coordinator.
- [101:39]
Bruce Arians
That's the new offensive coordinator. When you don't have your, your right side of your offensive line and your top four receivers and you score 30 points against the Niners, you're doing a hell of a job. Now I gotta give Todd Bowles a ton of credit. For me, he is the coach of the year just because of what he's doing with all the injuries. Not just on offense, but on defense. I mean, he went to the game with like nine starters out and, and, and beat the Niners. But yeah, I think what Bas Bake's just throwing him on his back. He's got the Johnson and Johnson brothers. They're like sixth and seventh receivers catching touchdown passes. And one can do a hell of a flip.
- [102:11]
Host
Oh, Tez. Tez can fly. Tez can absolutely fly. And Tez's thing coming out. You talked about Baker running a 4, 8. Tez was 142 pounds, ran like a 4, 5, 4 or something like that. And people were like, there's no way this guy can be this small and this low. He's behind a defense right there. D. But what does that mean?
- [102:27]
Analyst 1
I mean, his play speed was never four or five. I was shocked when he, when he ran that time because we saw him play and he was a fast guy, kind of opposite of like Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Like, I don't know what his 40 time is, but when him and like Ibuka get on the field, their field speed is different and that's his field. This was a third and long and Baker found him. And now his speed, like this catch, like, was unbelievable. You watch this catch in slow motion for him to catch that. And then obviously we see that athleticism with his celebration. But yeah, Baker, when you can do it with whoever's lined up out there. Everybody in NFL is talented, but we don't know these guys. These guys didn't come into the season thinking they'll be the number one, two or three guy on the outside or the inside. Even the guys have been blocking for him. Bucky Irving's been out. He's one of the best backs in the league in a run and pass game. So what Baker's been doing is just unbelievable.
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Host
Good for Tampa.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, that play, the play, the kid did not have a post route either. Yeah, he threw his hand up. That's a hell of a job for a rookie. Now to know safety squatted. I'm supposed to break in. I just throw my hand up and Bake finds him. Great job.
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Host
The other one.
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Analyst 1
Yeah, the Tez.
- [103:30]
Host
Yeah, the Tez Johnson touchdown is. He sees the safety coming, then you see him go like this right here. And then you see him start to pull away from safety and it's like, hey, maybe this guy isn't slow as hell.
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Co-host 2
Yeah.
- [103:41]
Host
Maybe he should watch the film instead of just the analytics coming out of the combine line. Yeah, that's like fourth read. Third read for Baker there.
- [103:47]
Bruce Arians
Oh, at least. Yeah, because that's not the route that's designer.
- [103:51]
Host
Yeah, but he goes right, thinks he's going right, looks back left, and I think he sees those.
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Co-host 3
Pre snap, too.
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Host
Who's that? AJ Tez.
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Co-host 3
Yeah, before that. If you go back to the old angle, he's pointing pre snap. Like, I think these dudes are sitting on me. Watch. Look, he's starting to point right away. Oh, here we go. I'm great right here.
- [104:08]
Host
Hey, wait a minute.
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Co-host 3
And then, bam. Hand goes up then. Okay, Jazz catching, like, the back third of the ball. Dude, that's unbelievable. That's such a difficult catch.
- [104:17]
Bruce Arians
That's how you get more reps. Hey.
- [104:20]
Host
That'S how you get MVP chance.
- [104:21]
Co-host 1
That's right. Exactly.
- [104:24]
Host
They actually released the mic'd up from that Tez on the sideline thinking the MVP was for him, because we obviously heard the press conference where he said, man, I thought they were. They told me it wasn't. We have the whole moment. He was not lying. He thought that was for him. And wait until you see the culture the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have on the sideline. It is very evident here. What did I do? I'm like, I didn't do nothing this season. It ain't somebody mvp. I'm gonna tell y' all a funny story.
- [104:51]
Analyst 1
This is crazy.
- [104:52]
Host
When I score and I hit MVP champ, I'm thinking they talking about me. So I asked Chef. Yep. I'm like, they was trying to mvp. Yeah. And he was like, yeah. I was like, I ain't do nothing this year.
- [105:10]
Analyst 1
And then he was like, they talking about Baker.
- [105:12]
Host
Ted Baker Mayfield threw you the ball. And I was like. I was like, well, that explains it. But he is the mvp. I.
- [105:22]
Analyst 1
Hey, I was just happy with you. But you know what? But you know what?
- [105:26]
Host
Now I am mad at you. But look, though, he said what they was saying.
- [105:31]
Analyst 1
I said, mvp. What the have I done?
- [105:34]
Host
I said, what did I do? You know, I'm slow sometimes. I'm like, bro, I didn't do nothing. It ain't talking about mvp now. I was just messing with you. Now you go back to the old.
- [105:49]
Analyst 1
Now you're going back to the old test. Hey, now, you about to start going crazy. All you needed was a little bit of confidence. Now you fit to go this. You hear me? I promise you.
- [105:59]
Host
Hey, that's a cool Locker room right there. That is a fun locker room. That is a good vibe. Godwin losing his mind. He's not on the field.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [106:05]
Host
Remember when he's in, Mike. I mean, that team is powerful. Whenever there, everybody's healthy.
- [106:11]
Bruce Arians
Emeka is. They lost him in the second quarter. Jalen Miller hadn't played yet, so their top four receivers, not there.
- [106:17]
Host
I like that Buccaneers team. I also like local sports talk.
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Co-host 1
Who doesn't?
- [106:24]
Host
I grew up in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a place that has a lot of local sports talk. You know, I think it's like a super sports tiny thing to have the local sports talk. There's still places that it exists. Obviously, everybody thinks those days are old. And the talking heads that literally just yell in the microphones for hours at a time for radio are days of the past. It's like, no, they're still a very loyal listener to sports radio, but also there is local sports talk that still is given the pulse of the fans. They're still giving the opinions of the fans. They're still asking the questions that need to be asked. And we have a Hall of Fame moment fresh out of Cleveland by Tony Rizzo, who's about sick and tired of miles Garrett taking 40 million a year and then complaining about the state of the Browns. I don't feel sorry for Miles Garrett. I don't even stop with this crap. He's not a leader. He's a hired gun here for money. And he wanted to leave your city and your team. End of story. Am I wrong? No, Riz, you're exactly. Your mind.
- [107:26]
Bruce Arians
What goes through your mind?
- [107:28]
Host
I don't know. Every Friday, when the direct deposit goes into my checking account, that's what goes through my mind.
- [107:36]
Peter Schrager
If he was. If he's gonna talk like this.
- [107:38]
Host
The ass kissing of this guy is insane.
- [107:42]
Dan Orlovsky
Boy.
- [107:42]
Host
Are you getting the Tony Rizzo show today? Yes.
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Co-host 1
You want.
- [107:46]
Host
You want Tony Rizzo today? Yeah. You're getting Tony Rizzo as if you were at my house.
- [107:50]
Peter Schrager
Riz, if Miles Garrett wanted out so.
- [107:53]
Host
Bad, he should have stood. He should have stood by his demand.
- [107:56]
Peter Schrager
And forced his way out.
- [107:58]
Host
Through your mind. What goes through your mind? What? What are you talking about? Miles Garrett was a no show yesterday. He never plays well against the Steelers.
- [108:09]
Bruce Arians
Rarely.
- [108:09]
Host
Rarely. Standard ovation. Where the hell were you yesterday? That's my question. Big pop light.
- [108:17]
Co-host 1
Oh.
- [108:17]
Host
What goes through your mind when their ears are pinned back and everybody's getting a bunch of sacks? They give a crap how many sacks Miles Garrett has? Not here for Miles Garrett. I want to win. All wants to do. I'll tell you what, we all won because we got a chance to hear that. Love the laugh track. And a standing ovation to himself. I don't know who's controlling that. The bald headed guy asking the questions to Tony Rizzo. We'd like to say massive respect to what you guys do and we appreciate your fanhood and your passion, but that is a real sentiment, I assume amongst Ohio people and Cleveland Browns fans about their leadership. Very similar to what was going on with Miami with tua. Anytime you're losing and the people that are making the most amount of money are talking about stuff at the top, it's like you are the top is what fans feel like. AJ Yeah.
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Co-host 3
I mean, you're never like. If you want to get a sense of, of, you know, how the fans, how people feel about their team, go to the local people, whether it's college pros, whatever. They're in there day in, day out talking about their specific team, interviewing players. I'm sure there's. I'm sure Rizzo is not the only one in Ohio that feels this way. Now we know you lose everybody, it's. Everybody can get it. You know, when you lose. And it's going to come for the guys that make the most money at first. And Miles Garrett understands that. I doubt this. I'm sure Miles Garrett's heard things like this in the past and he's used to it being in Queen. But you win games, you can acquire a lot of this stuff down.
- [109:30]
Host
I don't know. Tony Rizzo might see himself in that graveyard for Halloween, which I heard is getting actual marble this year with the new upgrade of the contract.
- [109:41]
Co-host 1
Makes sense.
- [109:41]
Host
Actual marble grave sites in his front yard. Of all the quarterbacks and Tony Rizzo, potentially that he does every Halloween. You hear Tony Rizzo go like that. You've obviously been a coach for a long time. You've been in a lot of markets that sports talk matters. How much does that affect coaches? Because I think at this stage, players, Tony Rizzo just pops up as a tik tok and then they probably just scroll right by this guy's crazy. Scroll right by it. But there was a time where sports talk, local sports talk, really mattered to teams, ownership and everything they had going on.
- [110:11]
Bruce Arians
Oh yeah, I had fired Bruce arans.com in a couple cities.
- [110:16]
Host
But you knew of it too. Yeah. Whole family, dude.
- [110:19]
Bruce Arians
My wife and kids do. I haven't paying attention, but you can't listen to that stuff. But I think. But it's great cities like Pittsburgh Cleveland, they have a fervor of a fan base. And those guys, they love it. They're there every day. It means so much to them.
- [110:36]
Host
They're doing bigger numbers than a lot of these podcasts out here. They think they're national podcasts, you know, in these cities. Like, and I. I grew up in Pittsburgh, which is a sports talk place and a lot of shit talk place and everything like that. And so I didn't really know the New York sports talking head market, which I guess they all feel like they created and birthed and everything like that with Mike and the Mad Dog. That whole thing is. I didn't know of them when I was growing up until back after this. Started posting all the clips of this guy. And I'm like, wow, I wish I knew this guy existed my entire life. This would have been incredible. Good sports talk is hard to. It's hard to beat. It is legitimately hard to beat when, like, Tony Rizzo right there, feed me that times 10. But also, I would like some other stuff in my life. Rizzo's living it and potentially dying it. And we need him to take care of himself.
- [111:24]
Co-host 1
And that's the big thing. Like, a guy like him, like, he has carte blanche to say whatever he wants. That guy is following the Browns day in, day out, and probably has been for what, like, the last 30 years? Like, I mean, he's killing himself. You subject yourself, like, and he has to care. Talking about that six months out of his year, every single year for the last 30 years. And the Brown. That's gonna happen every once in a while. You're gonna wake him, just be like, you know what it. I hate all these guys. I hate this team. I hate this. I almost hate this city because of it. So I'm gonna let everybody have it.
- [111:54]
Host
I think it's their love of the city. It's Tony Rizzo's love of the city that drives him every single day. And we appreciate that from Paison, I assume Tony Rizzo in many like him around the city. Not a lot of cities, but many people around different cities, they hate us. We're the national people that say something. Tony Rizzo. And you got this Thai shit guy, what's his name? The local people talking about the national people, the best in the world. Shout out to the local folks. We appreciate you. Shout to sports being so damn magical. And shout out to the NFL, delivering in a big way, ratings up for everything. College football right now. Hey, look out for college ball. We got about two minutes, Tone. It's Tuesday. What are the college football stories that we need to look ahead to this weekend? Live from Hammer, Don Todd.
- [112:45]
Todd
Yeah, we got another huge weekend of football games. We had that huge one last weekend where there was 10 games of either ranked on ranked or ranked versus an unranked team like that. You know, is is a really good football team like a Georgia, Auburn type matchup from last week. So this week obviously you guys are going to be between the hedges down in Georgia. That would be number nine, Georgia hosting Ole Miss, who is number five. That is a huge one down in the sec. That one can be up for a playoff spot arguably at the end of the season. So that one's a huge one. Another ranked on ranked SEC matchup up this weekend. Tennessee goes down to Bama, which is a great rivalry. That one will be a huge one. Usc, Notre Dame, another rivalry. Hey, that one. USC wins. They. They could potentially be the fourth Big Ten team in the playoff. Notre Dame loses, they are out. I would assume with the three losses to Miami, Texas A&M and USC. I would assume Notre Dame is out, but who knows. And then the Holy war, Utah and BYU, another ranked on ranked matchup there for the Big 12, which will be a huge one towards the end of the season.
- [113:55]
Host
And what's the late night game? Is there a nightcap happening this weekend.
- [113:57]
Todd
Or was that Texas Tech plays Arizona State? I do not know if blanket on his name. Quarterback for Arizona State, Sam Levitt. Thank you. Sam Levitt is going to be back or not. So that'll be huge implications on that one. But if he is that one, Texas Tech, Arizona State's a big one.
- [114:11]
Host
All right, we appreciate your time. Good work, buddy. All right, we'll continue digitally as we hand you off, I believe to Sports Center. We think you're gonna enjoy the hell out of their show. They're gonna crush it. Just absolutely crush it. And we're gonna continue with our shenanigans. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Might change your life.
- [114:27]
Bruce Arians
All right.
- [114:28]
Host
I think I got in there. Oh yeah. Had about a minute 30 left there. Had to get to the out. Toss that on Tone late.
- [114:34]
Todd
I missed LSU and Vandy too.
- [114:35]
Co-host 1
That's a Iowa. Penn State as well.
- [114:38]
Host
Oh, wow.
- [114:38]
Co-host 2
That's.
- [114:39]
Host
Wow. Iowa, Penn State matters so much less now.
- [114:41]
Co-host 1
Yeah. Under 20.
- [114:43]
Co-host 2
Under 20 there maybe.
- [114:46]
Co-host 1
That's a good one. That's a good one.
- [114:48]
Host
Speaking of Yukon, you asked Dano if he knew Jeezy. Yeah, our era or it was in every locker room in our. I assume Jeezy was in Every locker room now, granted. Did Dan Orlovsky know that it was. Jeez, like, when did he find out that the songs he was listening to was. Jeezy.
- [115:06]
Analyst 1
They were a bit of a. Bit of a dog back.
- [115:09]
Host
Was he? Wow. Cuz there's a whole new Dan now. You know, as we all grow up.
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Analyst 1
Yeah, he grew up. Yeah, we grown 40 now.
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Host
Yeah, we're all old.
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Analyst 1
Yeah, it's a long time ago. 25 years ago.
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Host
He was. Hey, he was like almost. What was he? He was on the magazine or something.
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Co-host 1
Cover, Sports Illustrated.
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Co-host 3
I mean, he was the Heisman candidate.
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Host
Yeah.
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Analyst 1
Like 95 overall game.
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Host
Dan Orlovsky needs a little bit more respect because we all see one play from a Hall of Famer running wild and him running a little bit faster, just a little bit deeper than everybody else. Everybody forgets Dan Orlowski could spin it. Dan was a football player. Yeah. B.A. did you ever coach D. Dan Orlovski?
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Bruce Arians
Never had the pleasure I liked.
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Host
You said pleasure there at the end. That's one of those guys, you look around, you say, I wish I could have coached that guy. Right.
- [115:53]
Bruce Arians
Not so bad.
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Host
Dan. You didn't deserve that. This is supposed to be a compliment. I love you, Danny.
- [116:01]
Bruce Arians
If I would have taught you where the back of that end zone was.
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Host
All right, let's get to a break on the other side. We'll wrap up all the story lines that we haven't hit. And BA I don't know if we need you to putt ever again.
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Co-host 3
So impressive.
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Host
That was. I. I literally just remember that as I looked over here and I saw the four balls and I was like, that was last week?
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
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Host
That was unbelievable. Have you golfed since then? Have you missed a putt? Putt?
- [116:25]
Bruce Arians
I did not get out this week, no.
- [116:27]
Host
So you still have not missed the putt?
- [116:29]
Bruce Arians
I have not missed a putt since then. I'm still thinking about bringing that putter out of the garage.
- [116:34]
Host
Yeah, he wouldn't take the putter. I tried to give him the putter. I'm like, hey, you've never missed with this putter. Just go ahead and take it. Nah, nah, puts it back. I'm like, how many putters have you been through? What was the number?
- [116:46]
Bruce Arians
I had 36 in the lake, but that's all close.
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Co-host 1
He said since he has retired, he's went through like 90 some putters.
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Host
He's been trying to find it. AJ he's been trying to find a putter. It's like, you found it, buddy.
- [116:56]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, I have that.
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Co-host 3
You ever Regret it ba. If you ever watch one and regret throwing it.
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Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah.
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Host
I paid.
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Bruce Arians
I paid a kid 500 bucks to go in the lake to get one. I really like that putter. This like a 503 foot putt. Oh, I like that putter.
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Host
Hey, that's another five. That's $1,000. Now all of a sudden, because of this green. You said you have this putter already.
- [117:19]
Bruce Arians
I have that putter at home. Yeah, but it's been benched, okay?
- [117:22]
Host
Not drowned.
- [117:23]
Bruce Arians
No, no, it did not drown. Every now and then you. You take your putter and you just dip it in the lake. Just give him a taste of it. Let him know, warn him this could happen today.
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Host
Then you bench it.
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Bruce Arians
Now you play with that one. It usually makes a lot of pipes that day. Oh, because then it basically gets bent.
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Co-host 3
It's like a football player, Pat.
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Co-host 2
We talk about it.
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Co-host 3
You gotta be scared of your job. You gotta come in every day thinking, hey, I could be cut if I don't do this, if I don't play well.
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Host
So why'd you bench it? Well, it just didn't have a couple good showing days. Not enough to drown. I got a taste. It didn't react well. It's a bad horse. This is just a bad dog.
- [117:57]
Bruce Arians
I don't chip a lot. I putt a lot off the greens. That putter's hard to chip long putts with. It's much better that distance. So I found one I can do both with.
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Host
Did you?
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Bruce Arians
I did shot Mage twice with it.
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Co-host 1
There you have it.
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Host
Hey, when that thing gets ready to go to the bench. Old reliables.
- [118:15]
Bruce Arians
I had it up in the air a couple weeks ago. My buddy goes, no, no, no. You like that? Oh, I do. Put it back down.
- [118:21]
Host
Everybody playing with you? Hey, just. If you guys could help me around 13, 14. I really like this wedge. So if this thing doesn't act right and you look like. If it looks like it's about to be gone forever, know that I'm Would like to keep this thing.
- [118:34]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, One of the sister pros came by the other day and that wedge broke his neck. Gave it to him. You can give it to the kids. Fix it. Give it to the kids. That one ain't playing no more.
- [118:44]
Host
That wedge broke its neck around your. Your thigh.
- [118:48]
Bruce Arians
Right around my knee.
- [118:50]
Host
Jesus.
- [118:51]
Co-host 3
You ever throw your whole bag in the pond?
- [118:52]
Bruce Arians
Like the whole thing? My buddy didn't. He had to jump in and get some it.
- [118:55]
Host
Yeah, you never know.
- [118:56]
Bruce Arians
I ain't going that far. They're too expensive.
- [119:00]
Host
Every club in here can certainly get drowned, but not at the same time.
- [119:02]
Bruce Arians
Especially if I have a backup in the garage. I usually have two of the same set just in case.
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Co-host 1
That's my.
- [119:10]
Bruce Arians
That's my jig bag.
- [119:12]
Host
Hashtag life hack. Hashtag golf hack from ba. Always get two sets of clubs because the first set of clubs might not act right, and they might have to get drowned.
- [119:23]
Bruce Arians
You got to teach them a lesson.
- [119:24]
Host
At the bench is what set? Saban says the bench used to be my best friend because the bench is irrelevancy. The bench is no legacy. The bench is everything. And then I think Saban says now they don't care about the bench. They just care about how much money they're getting paid. And if I put them on a bench, they're gonna try to get out of here to go get another thing. What did you use for you? I like that it works for your golf clubs. Inanimate objects have feelings, too. They understand a little bit of pressure whenever they feel it.
- [119:47]
Bruce Arians
All the rest of them act better when you break one of them.
- [119:52]
Co-host 3
You waterboard one of them. The rest of them will step in line.
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Co-host 2
Oh, yeah.
- [119:55]
Host
Hopefully it's 100 serious. He's 100% serious right now.
- [119:59]
Bruce Arians
I get it.
- [119:59]
Host
I need to start being like you a little bit more on a golf course. I let these putters live way too long.
- [120:04]
Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah.
- [120:05]
Host
I always think the next time it's gonna act right. It's not.
- [120:08]
Bruce Arians
I played a member guess with my sandwich putt in the last two holes because I threw that sandwich in the lake. Sandwich. And I made the putt with the sandwich.
- [120:18]
Host
Of course you did.
- [120:20]
Bruce Arians
Hell, you knew putter for.
- [120:21]
Host
That's what I'm starting to think. Well, I watch you with a putter do some magical things here. And then I say, I watch you say, I don't want it. Even though you've been trying to figure out your putter for a long time, massive respect to you. Let's get to a break on the other side. We'll do some more golf talk and wrap up all the stories. You're the greatest people on earth for allowing us to do this for a living. Here's a teaser, a trailer, if you will, for the newest episode of Rushmore on Ari Emanuel. Ben Persky are the hosts. They gather the legends of their industries to put together an official Mount Rushmore of different genres. This week is bands. Just any band. Doesn't have to be a rock band like Peter Schrager earlier, just bands in general. Solo acts that you thought were solo acts actually potentially a band and do get mentioned in this entire thing. It's a nice winding road throughout the history of rhythmic sound, if you will. And there's a band in the 70s that you'll learn about that is not getting any royalties for everything everybody's doing today. And they, their family should be looking into it somehow. There, there has to be something that Rick Rubin presents at a table. Jimmy Iovine Together these dudes have been a part of 450 albums and they sit down and chitchat about the history of music and the greatest bands. It's well worth the watch. I think it's 20 some minutes too. Very digestive. And some magic was made. We'll see you on the other side. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
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Host
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Bruce Arians
I'll play as someone else.
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Host
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Peter Schrager
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Host
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Bruce Arians
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Host
Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. New episodes Tuesdays. Hello beautiful people and welcome back to our humble above the Thunderdome on this BA Day, October 14, 2025. Hour three of the program begins now.
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Co-host 3
Football.
- [123:04]
Host
See, that's on me. A little false start in the second hour. I don't know if you saw it, A.J. i had to hit five push ups because I dropped the interception. I jumped off sides. The rest of the boys were patient and understood what was going on. I forgot. And that's what can happen if you want to win games. You can't have pre snap penalties. You got to be locked in, you got to be focused. Especially whenever you have a legend giving out his cadence, which sounds like what? Good. That's a good one. See that AJ that's from the gut. It'll get you a little bit excited. He's going to go on two one of these weeks and maybe on three there's going to be an opportunity. We're all going to have to hold our goddamn water if we want to be worth anything in this business. That's AJ Hawk. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor. And that's how I Schmidt. Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. And live from Hammer is the Hammer done Cowboy AP Tone not a baby Tone. Hey Pittsburgh Steelers. Really good football team Tone.
- [123:56]
Todd
Great football team. I love the outlook for the rest of the year.
- [123:59]
Host
Do you believe in the Pittsburgh Steelers after watching them? What Aaron Rodgers is doing we talked about at the very beginning six offensive linemen basically, especially with you, the addition of Mount Washington. Darnell in there feels like they have prioritized protecting Aaron and then let's figure out what, what we can do off of that smart play by them. And what are your thoughts on their actual run capabilities to a Super Bowl?
- [124:18]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, they're growing on me. I didn't, I didn't like them that much early in the year but I really like Arthur Smith and what he's doing offensively they're doing a hell of a job and they went out and got all those guys on defense so I mean they should run away with this division right now. Watch out for Joe Flacco.
- [124:32]
Host
Okay now there's obviously a lot of watching now for Joe Flacco with the Cincinnati Bengals and you know the Ravens are in the middle of their own problems. Lamar Jackson going to get back after the bye week. Cleveland Browns have Tony Russo certainly up in arms up there. So that's certainly a story in of itself. Feels like the AFC north. Even last week as the Ravens were still the odds on favorite to win. The AFC north has been the Steelers. For a few weeks it's like okay, the Steelers probably going to win this AFC north feels like they have a good road to making that happen. Offensively though, Artie Smith and Aaron, have you seen any successful or explosive offenses that have had an extra man of protection in there? Because every human is vital. Okay. Whenever you're talking about spread out offenses, they have as many offenses weapons as possible. Split out only five offensive linemen. So everybody else is basically being utilized as an offensive threat. Whenever you bring somebody in and their focus is completely on protection, you're not taken away from one of your weapons. There's only 11 people on the field. How many people on the line off the line. How many people online is scrimmage off the. Whatever the case, the opportunity to be a good offense in 2025 is much less. Whenever you have to worry about adding another body into protection. It's like having a heavy box on the defensive side and still being able to protect the long ball. Are they going to be able to navigate that and make explosives? Because it feels like they're doing it right now. And it feels like they're only starting to start designing things out of this extra body protection package. Yeah.
- [125:54]
Bruce Arians
I think you see it same with Chicago. It starts with the running game. You know, they got a big offensive line. Big tight end run the football. Aaron's doing the bootlegs. And that's how you push the ball down the field. A lot of times we would use an offensive tackle, you know, if our tight end couldn't block a good pass rusher. I think the worst thing in the world is when your tackle slides down your tight end trying to block the best pass rusher. That's bad ball. That's bad ball. So they got a tackle playing tight end who can catch the ball. And they still have fire move. So they're doing a lot of 12. And I think Artie Smith, to me has always been one of the best running coordinators in the league. And that play action game. Now drop back and throw. Not so fast.
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Host
Already hasn't been yourself. Nah.
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Bruce Arians
I don't think they can protect.
- [126:34]
Host
Okay. I don't. They have stayed away from it completely. They got him moving. They got this. They got a little bit of action. It feels like they got a lot of dressing. You're saying. Not sustainable to be able to do that for every play.
- [126:43]
Bruce Arians
It's a first and second down offense. And they're doing a good job of staying ahead of the chains. Keeping third down and short yardage stuff. And get the ball out of Aaron's hand quick. Now if they get into one of these games where they gotta throw it 30 or 40 times. Dropping straight back, I don't think.
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Host
Okay. On that note, DK Metcalf has been there for them. They paid him $30 million in the off season. He has some explosive plays for that offense as well. Adds a dynamic that the Steelers haven't had since the Killer Bees were out there. And you can add in Mapletron. Yeah.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [127:12]
Host
Well, no, no, no, no. Not Mapletron.
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Co-host 1
He did a 10 touchdowns.
- [127:16]
Host
Maple Tron was unbelievable. Okay. And I'm not. But Martavis Bryant is that.
- [127:19]
Bruce Arians
Yes.
- [127:20]
Host
When Martavis Bryant was out there. The actual. Yeah, he was. His nickname was Alien when it was him, Antonio Brown and then Le'Veon Bell and then Ben Roethlisberger, and they were doing their thing. I mean, that was a juggernaut of who the hell are you going to try to stop on this day? But with what they've been doing with DK coming in, he's hit the ground running for them, being clearly number one for them.
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Analyst 1
Yeah. And he's doing it differently. BA Talked about the run game. You got to have the run game and they run it like just good enough to where you have to respect it. But dk, I think last year he may have led the league in big plays where the ball traveled more than 20 yards in air. And this year, I don't think he has one. But he's getting the ball quick and then making those short catches turn into long games because he is still that explosive player. Now, as the season, you know, evolves and you get towards the playoffs and stuff, coordinators will kind of clamp down on that. So you're going to have to do something differently. But Aaron is spinning it. We know he'll be able to spin it forever, and he looks fully healthy to where he's a threat outside of that pocket, and that's always tough on the defense.
- [128:21]
Host
D Butt just said something good there. Hey, whenever we get later in the season, there defense coordinators will be able to clamp down on some of these things. Do you think there's enough weapons on that offense for them to have success in the playoffs? AJ and what are your thoughts on how Aaron is playing right now? Feels like it's a nice resurgence for this guy. He's moving, he looks quick, he looks swift, and he's spinning it all over the place. There was one under throw that he had in the first half of this game against Cleveland to DK didn't make it to him, it was almost. It was bad scene. A lot of people praying on that moment. Oh, yeah, the guy lost it, the guy lost it, the guy lost it. Then later in the game, need one to dk. Let me go ahead and put this thing in a bucket arm. Talent always going to be there, rarely misses. Do you think that he's playing his best ball and how do you think he feels about it?
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Co-host 3
I think, yeah. I mean, I think he's playing great, but I think he can. He can play even better. Like, I think as the season goes, he gets even more and more healthy. His legs are even under him as Achilles Gets better and better. I think he. He honestly is going to play better. But as the season goes, we know, like, once it starts getting cold, you got that terrible field out there, like, you're going to have to run the ball. You know, that play action is going to be huge. And I just think seeing Aaron outside the pocket like this, it's a great sign for all of us and especially Pittsburgh fans. Fans, because, you know, his. He's got to be feeling good. And I love how they get the ball. Like, watch when DK gets the ball and he starts running full speed. Like, who is going to tackle this guy? He looks like an absolute, like Terminator running down the field. And it's just so fun to watch. So, yeah, I think. I think they have a great thing going. They'll be able to evolve and change, make little tweaks as the season goes as well.
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Host
Yeah, the high knee runners, you know, just as somebody that didn't have to tackle on every play, just on kickoffs. The returners that had violent knees when they were running, certainly ones that I did not enjoy, you know, because you're potentially catching a couple of those whenever they're. You're out cold.
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Co-host 3
You're out cold. It gets right in the tempo. Or the forehead. You're out cold. And he's scoring a touchdown.
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Host
Yeah. And there's a lot of power coming through that thing, you know, And DK is maybe the most powerful. That style of running. DEZ ran angry. Antonio Brown ran very angry.
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Analyst 1
Marshall.
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Host
Brandon Marshall had big high knee whenever he was running bowling.
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Co-host 1
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host
His whole body. I mean, Bowden was his whole body. Peyton Hills. Those knees get going like this, though, aj, that's your life, I guess, just.
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Co-host 3
In a. Adrian Peterson. You ever watch Adrian Peterson the open field?
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Analyst 1
Yeah.
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Host
Oh, yeah.
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Analyst 1
Good luck.
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Host
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God.
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Analyst 1
Frank Gore hitting the hole. Frank the Tank.
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Co-host 3
Oh, gosh.
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Co-host 2
Sean Alexander.
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Host
It's AJ Hawks.
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Co-host 3
Frank Gore's head. Frank Gore's head is so hard. That guy. So much respect for him.
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Host
How about Frank Gore just being like, yeah, man, I enjoy just working my absolute ass off. So after my hall of Fame running back career throughout the hardest phase of running backs at the time, I'm getting directly into full time boxing. I'm in a gym three hours every day, just getting my ass beat and doing this entire thing. And then he gets into a fight, knocks a guy out. It's. I think it. I don't know what fight it was for him. Knocks this dude out. Doesn't even care Just walks right back to his core. Just go ahead and stand there. And then he's like, all right, I'm gonna keep it moving. Frank Gore locked in, going. He's one of the greatest.
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Analyst 1
He's still training like that right now. Right now, Right now. I saw Jonathan Taylor on the downs, Josh Downs and Caleb Downs. They have a podcast he was on there, and they asked him about something about his footwork. He was saying he still trains at the place. And he's like, Frank Gore is still getting. After he. I trained in the same spot. Like, Frank Gore talk. Taught me, like, how to be a pro. Just watching, like, watching Frank Gore, watching Fred Taylor, watching mjd, like, it was a whole Thomas Jones, like that whole group, like how they used to push each other, how they used to just talk shit, you know, Frank. Frank's gonna talk shit to everybody. Yeah, I remember you. Yeah, I ran your ass over and just keep on moving. So, like, he. He, like the. The work that he puts in off season, what these players do. Everybody has their own shit. But Frank Gore is kind of like the standard.
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Host
Yeah, I enjoyed whenever he was a Colt, so he picked us over. I forget somebody else. And we were just. I was pumped to have him because OG heard the legendary stories about him. And then you sit down and talk with him. Hilarious. One of the greatest teammates. Boy, his pads, the way he went about doing football was the best. And then he showed up at off season workouts, and I forget which strength coach it was. We went through a bevy of strength coaches there for a little bit, and he wanted to do some game, some running game, something. And the guy was basically implying, like, Frank should go first because he's a leader, and Frank gave him a nah, I'm okay, and didn't do it. Okay. And then I think there were some people that didn't know Frank. They were like, is he not in shape or whatever? It's like, no, no. Frank is in better shape than everybody in here. He's just not doing this bullshit right here at this exact moment. He wasn't only one. He was. He was beloved by our locker.
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Analyst 1
Oh, yeah.
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Host
And by the equipment staff and by the trainers. What an OG Man.
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Co-host 2
He's one of the perfect NFL players just as a whole. It feels like everywhere he went, everybody.
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Host
Was like, yeah, yeah, here's him boxing. This is exactly the video I saw. We don't know who this is. Yep, let me go ahead and get you. And then Jesus just walks away. All right, sweet. Yeah, it's over. Thanks. See you Guys, Thanks. All right, dude.
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Co-host 1
You imagine being that guy and just like getting into a fight and thinking, like, oh, I'll probably just have, you know, like some guy from local gym. They're like, actually, you're gonna be fighting Frank Gore.
- [133:34]
Host
Unfortunately, he was trying to wear no pads while playing in the NFL during the CTE era. He was trying to wear zero pads while he was out there because he just didn't like it. The shoes, him changing his shoes. He was.
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Co-host 2
He never got hurt. Right.
- [133:47]
Host
So I got hurt in college. I got hurt in college.
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Analyst 1
Acl, I think.
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Co-host 2
And that's why he dropped.
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Host
Yeah. And I think there was something said. And then it was like, oh, is that right? And then that was whenever there was a line of Miami running backs.
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Co-host 2
Yeah. It was like, him, Portis, McGahey, Edge.
- [134:03]
Host
In there, like, all of them. And if I recall the story going right, I forget who told it. Somebody told the story. It might have been Frank. Might have been somebody telling Frank's story. It was like whenever it was his time to go, he was like, there wasn't like a pressure about being a Miami running back. It was like a mindset, like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna be the next one that's gonna go kill everybody. Yeah. Because all the Miami running backs were just killing everybody as soon as they got in there. So there was like an excitement out of that running back room to get to the NFL because, like, oh, we're gonna. This is cake. We're literally watching everybody do it. But they had a method, a blueprint, which was work your ass off, outwork everybody, and then you're obviously gonna have to be tough. They were special. Those U days were special. Not that they're not now, but I'm just saying there was special talent.
- [134:44]
Bruce Arians
I go all the way back to Alonzo Highsmith and Melvin Bratton. I mean, I was recruiting Melvin way back when. And I mean, they've. They've had running backs forever and quarterbacks.
- [134:54]
Host
How about them getting back? How do you feel about the U being back?
- [134:56]
Bruce Arians
Oh, they're back.
- [134:57]
Host
Obviously not good for Virginia Tech down there.
- [135:00]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, Mario's got it really going, and. And he's a great recruiter. I think they're going to kill it in Florida again, like they always have, especially South Florida.
- [135:07]
Host
Let's go.
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Bruce Arians
That's where the most of the best players are.
- [135:09]
Host
Do you think Virginia Tech's going to try to hire Mario Cristobal out of Miami?
- [135:14]
Bruce Arians
No shot announcement, no shot.
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Host
Okay. There is a coach that's potentially available at this moment. For you at Virginia Tech, you and your crew that are going to be hiring the next head coach down there. $229 million being added in the athletics down there, Virginia Tech, over the next five years, I do believe so. They are committed to sports and committed to ball. I'll be excited to see you. James Franklin is now available for hire and allegedly due to a contract of some sort, he is to pursue a job in media or coaching because any contract that he gets anywhere will offset what Penn State owes him, which is allegedly $49 million. Now, the details of every contract I don't think is ever fully public, but the general consensus of it seems to be out there and accurate. So they're looking for him to try to offset what they have to pay him. He obviously can say, go into these interviews and say, I live in my mom's basement now. I actually poop my pants every day. So I can't even. I don't even know what football is. I actually don't love the sport anymore. You don't want to give me the job.
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Analyst 1
Damn it.
- [136:15]
Host
All right.
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Co-host 1
Thanks for the opportunity.
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Host
Media interview. Every once in a while my voice just stops working. So I don't think I'm good for media. I'm so sorry. All right. You guys don't want to hire me. Got it. He can do that. That, I guess, and he should. That's probably not in good faith. Yeah, he's not in good faith, but he could certainly somehow angle away and saying, I just told them my truth. At the time I thought I was a good interview. So he is going to be in the field again. We assume he loves coaching too. I think he loves building relationships. He's going to be out there whenever you guys are looking for a coach or whenever a team is looking for a coach. Somebody that's fired in a way that James Franklin is. Is that good for his next job or do you think bad for his next job? Wherever he hit, especially in 2025.
- [136:58]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, I don't think it's good. Ever be fired in mid season like that. But when you look at his track record, he's. He's done a hell of a job at Vanderbilt, Penn State, everywhere he's ever been. So he'll get a job, that's for sure.
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Host
He's 12 years in. They've had success now a lot of people burying him for not winning a national championship or I think even a big Tech, you know. So, yeah, I think that is certainly a part of the conversation. But they're in Ohio State's world, they're in Michigan's world. And how many Big Ten championship appearances do they have? Well, they weren't in the easy conference. They were in the other one. You know, they weren't in easy one.
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Co-host 1
Listen, Iowa, Hawkeye leaders and legends are both very tough sides of the Big Ten here.
- [137:38]
Host
Yeah. One of them has Ohio State and Michigan in them and the other side does not. So, you know, that was certainly something. So whenever you look at like the history and atmosphere, accolades and titles and awards, it's obviously going to be up against the two that have been running the entire conference literally in regular season, everything like that. But he turned that place around. 70 person operation. I mean, it is a huge operation up there that he has obviously been at the forefront of since the beginning. So he knows how to run the modern college football now. On that note, you're pretty dialed in, I guess, because you're a part of this advisory council that would be hiring a new head coach. How much of hiring a head coach for you guys? You had to come out and say 229 million. Penn State is a job seemingly that has access to everything. No matter what amount of money you need, we got it. No matter what facility you need or ask you want for your building, you got it. They have all the access to everything because their alumni and their donors, they're all in on wanting to become Michigan or Ohio State. They want that bad, especially for football. So whenever you think about that type of job being available, is everybody on the table? Because Heather Dennis yesterday, okay. Who we are fans of. And I guess I didn't hear it as clearly whenever she said it in real time. And I might have just overlooked it 100% on me. AJ, you heard it. She was like, is Ryan Day happy at Ohio State at the end of the season? And aj, you gave a great look. I watched a video back. I didn't even hear. I think I was just.
- [139:02]
Co-host 2
I stepped on her a little bit while she was like rattling, battling off coach.
- [139:05]
Host
Yeah. So there I might have been somewhere else. I didn't hear it in the moment. I listened to it back afterwards, obviously, because it was a big conversation. I'm like, holy. That would have been a huge piece of news for me to react to because is that the reality in this world that we're in right now where if you have everything, you can pitch anybody players at any moment, you can pitch coaches, you can pitch at any time? Ryan Day leaving Penn State, not a reality. I'm going to say that.
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Co-host 1
No.
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Host
AJ's going to say it, that I think Heather Dinanich, if she was told, hey, your life ends if you get this wrong, is Ryan Day ever is going to leave Ohio State to go to Pence? She would say no, because what is. She was just trying to make the metaphor, though, like, everything's on the table for Penn State. Do you think that's an accurate. For the world that we're living in right now? And how do you feel about that as the state.
- [139:49]
Bruce Arians
Totally. I think James Franklin raised the level of expectation at Penn State and what he did, he took him to that. That precipice, couldn't quite get there and it cost him his job. But he did a hell of a job to get him there. And everything they got going on at Penn State. Yeah, it's one of the top five jobs in the country.
- [140:07]
Host
Okay. Top five jobs in the country. How many people are going to be available, Tone, how many coaches have been fired already? Five?
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Todd
Yeah, I was gonna say five, six, seven, because there was three this. There was three this weekend. Oh, yeah. Trent Bray from Oregon State, Trent Dilfer from UAB and James Franklin from Penn State. So there's three this weekend. Somewhere between like 5 and 8ish, I believe at this point.
- [140:29]
Host
Trent Delpher was good to our show. He also created the anti Covid spread.
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Co-host 2
Hell yeah.
- [140:33]
Host
Which.
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Co-host 2
Which worked.
- [140:35]
Host
Still doesn't get talked about.
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Co-host 2
Lipscomb Academy, they had the lowest Covid.
- [140:39]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
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Co-host 2
One of the cases in the country.
- [140:41]
Co-host 1
One state championship because of it.
- [140:43]
Host
He was talking to us because he's been very kind to us. Whenever he's at Lipscomb Academy, the Mustang's down there in Nashville. He's coaching, he goes to uab. He's very kind to us. Trent Topher's been very kind to us. We've seen everything that's been on camera as him as a coach and also his record as a coach and everything that he said as a coach. You know, UAB actually came at press conference, said, this ain't like Alabama. So, you know, what are we even talking about here? To his own fans and his own media. That's not going to end up working out. He tells the truth too much. Speaking of the truth, he told. He was on the show one time, he grabbed a bottle and you see, look at this. This spray right here kills Covid. I spray it on every locker, sprayed on every seat. There's no Covid right here. Covid spread. Shortly after that, there was car wash machines that people were putting on doors. You remember that?
- [141:25]
Analyst 1
Yeah.
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Co-host 3
When people would walk Broncos walked through on the way to practice. I remember that.
- [141:29]
Analyst 1
That's his.
- [141:29]
Host
I think that was this. I think it was just.
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Co-host 3
He's gonna focus fully. Well, I guess now we don't have much use for it now.
- [141:35]
Host
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's hope not. Okay. Let's not be keeping a knife.
- [141:39]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [141:40]
Host
Let's keep it on ice.
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Co-host 3
I spoke too soon.
- [141:42]
Host
Yeah. And we don't need anybody, especially if this Covid spray works, which I don't think everybody bought into it this last time. But if this spray does work, let's make sure we don't call it like horse pace going forward. You know, let's make sure we don't just. Yeah, let's not make it look so bad if it actually does work the next time that we have that going on. But let's certainly keep it in the back pocket. Let's certainly keep that in the back pocket. There was a stat about Josh Allen since before COVID His lowest QBR since before COVID Think about how long ago that feels, Covid. And then think about how long Josh Allen's been in the league. Think about how great he has become. And then think about what happened to them last night. Is McDermott going to be okay? They lose two in a row for like the third season straight or something like that. I forget. I saw the stat. Maybe third straight season where they lose back to back games. It's always loud with McDermott. AJ he's got to win a Super Bowl. Is that kind of what it is now at this point?
- [142:34]
Co-host 3
He's got to make a run. He's got to make a deep run and they got to look good doing it. I think I don't. I mean, geez, it's crazy to think with how good the Bills are. And like I said, I. I said earlier in the season, I think the Beals are going to the Super Bowl. I really do. I don't know if I'm as confident now as I was before. I think they need to get healthy for sure. But I definitely trust Josh Allen. I really do.
- [142:53]
Host
Got to be able to stop the run in this firing of coaches season that we're in all of a sudden. Okay. It's been getting pretty loud. The advisor consultant role. Like, let's say a coach gets fired from a Big Ten school, then an NFL team wants him to come over and maybe consult Robert Sala. Gets fired from the Jets. He's at the Green Bay packers two days later being a consultant for Matt LaFleur's team. Are you guys like, how does that work out? Do they reach out to you guys? Do you reach out to them whenever you see they're fired? Offer up a role? Do you want to be in ball? Hey, we got an opportunity. How do those things kind of of come together?
- [143:26]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, I think agents have a lot to do with it and, and especially if you've been together before, it's an easy phone call. Hey, you want, you want to come help us? You want to go sit at home? And it's like, yeah, I'll come help you. You know, just to stay in the game and.
- [143:40]
Host
But what are they actually doing? Like, what did Salah do you think, whenever he was out there with the Packers, I assume it was something like.
- [143:47]
Co-host 1
His title was like, he was like an offensive ammo pretty much frable out.
- [143:53]
Analyst 1
In Cleveland last year.
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Co-host 2
Defensive.
- [143:55]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [143:56]
Host
Yeah. What are they doing? Are they just assisting?
- [143:58]
Bruce Arians
I think they're coming in looking at, looking at what you're doing, breaking down the next opponent, helping you game plan a week ahead of time and cuts down the hours on some of the guys, you know, and especially if you trust them.
- [144:10]
Host
Well, you're going to get into the consulting world here, right?
- [144:12]
Bruce Arians
I already am, but nobody listens.
- [144:15]
Host
Amen.
- [144:16]
Bruce Arians
They don't need to either. They're doing too good.
- [144:18]
Host
But when you're in the consulting, what is it like? Hey, this is what you should be thinking for this particular game, in my eyes.
- [144:23]
Bruce Arians
I think if you're, if you're offensive defensive analyst. Yes. If in my role, it's just talking to the gym, talking to the head coach about the next one, and how the hell we going to get these guys healthy.
- [144:35]
Host
How is that? Do you enjoy this role or no?
- [144:37]
Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah, it's easy. It's really easy. And two of my best friends, so.
- [144:41]
Host
Get a chance to still feel like you're a part of it too.
- [144:43]
Bruce Arians
Right.
- [144:43]
Host
What a magical year it is.
- [144:45]
Bruce Arians
It really is so far. I mean, get. Hit those receivers back and get the right tackle, right guard back with the right guard not coming back, but get the right tackle back.
- [144:53]
Host
That's a lot of power firepower that Tampa Buccaneers team has. Oh, yeah. I don't think anybody was thinking the Tampa Buccaneers super bowl, you know, because everybody was on the Philadelphia Eagles. Everybody's like, philadelphia Eagles are going to return and be their thing. They obviously still have very much a winning record, but everybody's turned against. He gets them. Then he watched his buccaneers team, they're 5 and 1 at the moment. Then he put out what a predictive super wild card Weekend seating would look like. And you got two teams at the top of this thing that nobody could have predicted. You got the Colts, number one cd, afc, of course, Just like we've been saying, AJ For a long time. Just like we've been saying, okay, day one. Then you got. The Buccaneers is the number one seed in the nfc. It's like going into the season, no way would anybody be predicting this, this after week six. So you got something special brewing down there, just like we have. And then you look at the teams that are still in and then the teams that are missing. Congrats to Jacksonville Jaguars. Love what they're doing. Then you look at some of those teams that have a lot of injuries. It's like they're here now. Will they be around here in about two weeks, Three weeks? We shall see.
- [145:51]
Co-host 2
Yeah. It's crazy just looking at the wild card team for the nfc. Like, all three of those guys were what, the top three teams when it came to odds to win the super bowl at the beginning of the the season. And now they're not even, you know, the top of their own division. Or I guess the packers probably weren't just because people were still high on the Lions, but still, like, it's just insane how much, you know, toss up there is. And then look, look at the one team that's missing in the one team that's on there. The Vikings without Darnold and Darnold with the Seahawks.
- [146:15]
Analyst 1
Now.
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Co-host 2
It's just. It's insane.
- [146:16]
Host
Yeah. The NFC west has a lot of representation in playoffs. Yeah. Three out of the four teams is great. Cardinals, man. Kobe was spinning.
- [146:29]
Co-host 1
He was.
- [146:30]
Co-host 3
He was.
- [146:31]
Host
Buddha Baker getting to watch him play football.
- [146:34]
Bruce Arians
Oh, baby.
- [146:35]
Co-host 2
You guys had a great interaction.
- [146:36]
Host
That's so much fun. Watching Buddha Baker play football is a lot of fun. I assume that's what Cardinals people think. You obviously coached him out there, which is a phenomenal football player. Whenever we talk about people that we would like, Max Crosby, we love Max Crosby. It'd be cool to see him. Buddha Baker, it'd be cool to see him again, you know, at a contender. They had a pick. They come down and celebrate in front of the suite. Then they jog down, talk their. Okay amongst everybody, Buddha. Becca turns around, looks, points directly at me, jogs away. It's like, yes. I love everything about that. We got to turn over two plays later. Guess what? FYI, FYI, our defense said, excuse me. Okay, that's cute. Let's go ahead and do that and let's run it back. But watching him Play football is fun in Arizona. Such a beautiful place. Obviously you've had success there and coach there. They're the only team in the NFC West. It's like no chance of making it feel.
- [147:24]
Bruce Arians
Yeah. I think they lost three games in the last play.
- [147:27]
Host
Yes.
- [147:27]
Bruce Arians
And they just can't quite get over that hump. But Marvin Harrison Jr. Is going to be special, man. He's come out of it now. He's coming out that little funky head and. But Jacoby Brissette has played great wherever he's been.
- [147:39]
Host
I agree. Started here with the Indianapolis Colts. He was the one calling the team meetings whenever he was the backup quarterback. Remember, Andrew Luck was starting quarterback. Jacoby was backup. Jacoby was the one calling like certain meetings and like leading, I guess, in some of it. Always been respected, always been appreciated behind the scenes. He's one of those journeyman backups. And I think the Colts, probably, if they didn't say it, I think there was a little bit of like, hey, we'd rather not, you know, like with Kyler, we understand what we got. I think Shane Steichen and Gannon obviously know each other very well, but that changes for things. Jacoby going in there in his first game, nice breath of fresh air. Used to play here, let it loose. Really nothing to lose. That's when these backups are most dangerous. That first game when it's like wheel and deal and get a chance opportunity. I've been on the sideline for so long, it's my time. Let's go ahead and do this. They know enough to get their shit by. They're good enough obviously to still be in the league that they're at. That's a dangerous scenario and I thought Jacoby was going to do it. I thought we were going to lose that game. Game little. I know this isn't brand new Colts number one overall seed Indianapolis Colts and thank God, AJ for that.
- [148:43]
Co-host 3
Yeah, thank God for, for that. I mean, yeah, the Colts definitely stepped up, but you're right. Every time like Jacobe, when I see him playing, like he gives me confidence that his team can win almost every time. Like he just looks whatever it is when he's sitting in the pocket and he, he lets it rip. He just looks confident. Looks like he knows what he wants to do and he's not out there guessing. Like he just seems, I don't know, he could definitely start for some teams in the league, I think.
- [149:04]
Host
Yeah, we say that about a bunch of backups and then we see some teams and they have the worst backups. Of all time.
- [149:09]
Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [149:09]
Host
You know, and then you hear Tom Moore's quote about backup quarterbacks. It's like we're preparing with Peyton Manning. If we lose Peyton Manning, we're. And we don't practice. That's it. But now you need backups. Yeah. You need a back quarterback. You need it. Not that Arizona does. You know, Jacoby, obviously. Very good. It doesn't matter. They're not gonna. Come on, Arizona. Dude, that place is awesome. I would like. Who knows if. Where I end up. Wife, family, and I end up retiring. Arizona is certainly on the list of places we're headed. It'd be great if they were incredible at football. Yeah, it would be really cool if they got even better at football. They can, right? You think?
- [149:49]
Bruce Arians
They were rocking our last three years. They were rocking that stadium. Was fun to be in.
- [149:54]
Host
Where'd you live out out there?
- [149:55]
Bruce Arians
I lived in Chandler, down the south valley. Oh.
- [150:00]
Host
How's the golf out there? That's the best golf club.
- [150:02]
Bruce Arians
Some of the best. If you like desert golf. Wishborough is one of the most special places in the world.
- [150:07]
Host
What? What's desert golf?
- [150:08]
Bruce Arians
Just flat desert and green.
- [150:13]
Host
Normally bigger fairways or smaller fairways.
- [150:15]
Bruce Arians
Each course is so different, and they're all unique. They have so many. They have more God courses at McDonald's. It's one of the chamber of commerce things.
- [150:22]
Dan Orlovsky
Wow.
- [150:23]
Bruce Arians
In Arizona, in Scottsdale and that whole area, Maricopa County.
- [150:29]
Host
Okay, so lake golf, desert golf, beach golf. What else?
- [150:34]
Bruce Arians
Lake for me and then desert and.
- [150:37]
Host
Then what other styles are there? There's beach. There's obviously farm golf.
- [150:40]
Bruce Arians
North northern tree lined. Fire to me is one of the iconic places. Hilly, Hilly elevation for sure.
- [150:49]
Host
Okay. That's a style of golf course.
- [150:50]
Bruce Arians
And then Augusta is the hilliest of all and the prettiest of all.
- [150:55]
Host
How'd you play there? Pretty good.
- [150:57]
Bruce Arians
Not too bad. Not too bad.
- [150:58]
Host
How were you? Did you have dinner there?
- [151:00]
Bruce Arians
I had lunch, but it was fun. It was. It was a great experience.
- [151:03]
Host
Have a couple cocktails out there.
- [151:04]
Bruce Arians
Oh, of course.
- [151:06]
Host
Did you drown any putters out there?
- [151:08]
Bruce Arians
No, not at a gust.
- [151:09]
Host
That would be awesome. Yeah. You should think about it if you ever get to play there. Just to say you did down there. Amen. Corner may pull one in the woods. Go get it, pal. Crazy.
- [151:18]
Bruce Arians
Craziest thing I saw this year was a guy take the leak in the creek. You had Augusta? Yeah.
- [151:23]
Co-host 1
Brother.
- [151:24]
Host
Brother act right. Baseball happened in a big way last night. Obviously football's happening, so we can't watch. You know, actually had quad box on sure. At both Monday Night Football games on. Had a baseball game on up there, which I believe was Dodgers, brewers had that thing top corner. And then there was a reality show of some sort that was playing down here. Okay. That was the quad box as well. I think it was on Fox. Some sort of reality show. I don't know what it was. It was. It was an option in there. Didn't find myself looking at the baseball corner one time and I didn't like it. I want to let you know. I. I did not like it. And I guess there was multiple games on. So I should have maybe got rid of the reality competition show that was any other one.
- [152:00]
Co-host 1
There's Blue Jays during the day.
- [152:01]
Host
Okay. So that was not on last night playing. So I enjoyed the multiple sports happening at the same time. But what I realized is it's going to be hard for me to pay attention. Anything isn't at the NFL if they're going against the NFL. So if you could please let me know what the hell happened. I think not only myself, a lot of people would be right. Bruce, I don't want to talk for you.
- [152:16]
Analyst 1
Oh, yeah.
- [152:17]
Host
A lot of football people I think would be thankful if you kept us updated on what the hell happened in baseball.
- [152:21]
Co-host 1
I also had it in the, you know, the multi box. I didn't have it in the quad box. It's impossible to do with a baseball game because you really just the ball. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So it's very difficult. But yeah. Brewers and Dodgers last night, first or early in the game here. There's a deep fly ball to center field from Max Muncie. The bases are loaded and I mean, just absolute chaos is the first time this has ever happened. Sal Freelick goes up, he thinks, you know, he maybe caught it. It bounces off the wall. He throws it into the relay. And that's a force out at home plate from a guy from. Who's on third base because there is just mass pandemonium. And then Wilson Contreras realizes they don't know what the hell's going on. I'm going to run down to third base and step on this. That's an inning ending. Double play it in the scorebook. It went down as a 8, 6, 2 ground into a double play. He almost hit a grand slam. But it technically it's ruled as a. He grounded into a double play because you can see there. Ball comes loose. Once it hits the wall, it is a live ball. And te Oscar Hernandez at third base. Kind of just didn't know what the Hell was going on. Lost it. Throw the home plate, beats him home. That's a force out. And then the catcher has the wherewithal to run down to third base and step on the. The base, and boom, don't play. Ends in it.
- [153:36]
Host
That's brewers baseball, though, right?
- [153:37]
Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [153:38]
Host
Everybody outfielder had no idea what the hell is going on, though. It looked like in his face. He's very intense. That guy had a Dan Lanning about.
- [153:43]
Co-host 1
Him a little bit Sal Free look.
- [153:44]
Host
Yeah, this was very intense. I mean, he. Once he loses the hat, he really does. If it hits the yellow, it's not a home run.
- [153:50]
Co-host 1
So it bounced off, you know, like, he didn't actually catch it. It came out of his glove and then hit the wall. So it's.
- [153:56]
Host
What if that hits the yellow? Not a home run.
- [153:57]
Co-host 1
It's got to be. It's got to be over it, like the yellow part, you know, and that's one of those things where, like, if you're a Dodgers fan, you're bitching because you're saying, hey, that touched yellow line. That's a grand slam. But technically, it has to hit, like, a certain part of it to actually be a homer. So he keeps it in the field play, you know, bobbles it.
- [154:13]
Bruce Arians
It.
- [154:13]
Co-host 1
Guy at third base has no idea. He just assumes he caught it. So he's going to tag up and then run back. So that was just like a big cluster, but didn't matter. Dodgers a little bit later.
- [154:24]
Analyst 1
That was the first time ever.
- [154:26]
Co-host 1
Yeah. First ever. Eight, six, two, double play in the playoffs. I mean, that never happens. It may never happen.
- [154:32]
Host
Yeah, man. We witnessed. We didn't witness. We learned about history happening while we were alive last night. Eight, six, two, double play. A.J. eight, center field.
- [154:41]
Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [154:41]
Host
Okay. Because the way it goes around, obviously, you got one who's catcher, one who's the pitcher, then two is the catcher.
- [154:49]
Co-host 1
Yep.
- [154:50]
Host
And then three is actually four. Then four is five, and then you got six out there. Seven's Roman in the left field. Eight, center field, and then nine's right field.
- [154:59]
Analyst 1
Boom.
- [154:59]
Co-host 1
Nailed it.
- [155:00]
Analyst 1
Wow.
- [155:01]
Host
What is. What is third base? Three.
- [155:03]
Co-host 1
Third base is. No, three is first base. And four seconds. And then you go over to six is third base.
- [155:10]
Host
And then has five, shortstop.
- [155:11]
Co-host 1
Yeah. Or no other way around. Six is up here, and then five's down the corner. Third base is five.
- [155:16]
Host
Okay, so one is pitcher.
- [155:18]
Co-host 1
Yes.
- [155:18]
Host
Two is catcher. Three, first base.
- [155:21]
Co-host 1
Right.
- [155:21]
Host
Four, Second base. Correct. Five, Third base. Correct. Six, shortstop.
- [155:24]
Co-host 1
Yes.
- [155:25]
Host
Seven, left field. Eight, center field.
- [155:27]
Co-host 1
Yep.
- [155:27]
Host
Nine, right field.
- [155:29]
Co-host 1
Boom.
- [155:29]
Host
I'm a Classic nine.
- [155:30]
Co-host 1
Yeah, exactly.
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Host
Because I played for the Washington Wild things. You did. Yeah, I got the ball a couple times. You know, if you're playing a lefty, dominant team, they'll pull that thing to you. You know, you gotta make some plays, make some grabs. Well, that's the thing. There was a couple guys that were lefties, but they fucking took that thing dead center. Just still going against our pitcher. He had a rough night, but he's a good guy, so we won't judge him. But the 8, 6, 2, double play, certainly something I'd never seen before. D, buddy, baseball's been around a long time. Long time. Lot, lot of stats in the history of baseball. A lot of number combinations. Crazy that that happened. So that means the Milwaukee brewers were blessed by the baseball gods. It got a big time win because they accomplished something that never happened before.
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Co-host 1
Not so much blessed by the baseball gods, for sure. But Freddie Freeman, who is just a monster in the playoffs, basically said, I don't give a shit. And he hit a solo bomb. This is a very low scoring game. I kind of, you know, the. The brewers needed to score immediately after that happened. Think when you have that much good juju on your side, they didn't. Freddie Freeman hits a homer, and then later, they walk Mookie Betts with the bases loaded. So, you know, just. Just not good. Not good. You're gonna be down 2, 1. And then the Brewer still had an opportunity. Bottom of the ninth, base is loaded. Bryce Turang unfortunately strikes out on a high fastball. This was right before. There was an inside pitch that almost hit him.
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Co-host 3
He got hit.
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Co-host 1
He avoided it. And everyone's kind of saying the day after, after, hey, you got to wear that one. Got to wear that one.
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Analyst 1
Oh, that one right there.
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Co-host 1
Cuz that would have scored a run. That would have tied it.
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Host
Oh, no. And then he goes down swinging on a ball.
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Co-host 2
Next pitch.
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Co-host 1
Yep.
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Host
Oh, no Grind, slammy potential.
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Co-host 1
Could have just needed a base hit. Base hit would have won it.
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Host
Oh, no. Tough goal for that guy. What's his name?
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Co-host 1
Bryce Tang Tarang.
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Host
We need your back, buddy.
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Co-host 2
Cool name.
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Co-host 1
It'd be okay. Okay. He had a big homer against the Cubs, so he's still got, you know.
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Host
A little good juju. Tarang's a dog.
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Co-host 1
He is.
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Host
He needs to remember that.
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Co-host 1
Yeah. Brewers must win tonight. They play tonight.
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Host
God, they play all the time.
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Co-host 1
Yeah. Don't they just play 7 game series? Got to get it in.
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Host
I love that Pat Murphy's team's ready to do it. Any other games happen yeah, and then.
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Co-host 1
The Mariners and the Blue Jays played yesterday afternoon. First inning, Julio Rodriguez, three run homer for the Mariners. I tell you what, the Mariners have kind of just come into Toronto and said, we don't give a shite. We got Big Dumper and a lot of other guys that can hit the baseball out of the ballpark. And that's what they did. Trey Savage, the guy who killed the Yankees, was pitching. And then Louis Varland, who also killed the Yankees a little bit, gives up a homer to Jorge Polanco. This is his eighth RBI in seven games in the playoffs. And then Josh Naylor for good measure goes yard.
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Host
Are they all built the exact same. They look like 5 Cal Raleighs right there. Did that not look like there was like six Cal Rawes on the team? I didn't know they had a right handed Cal Raleigh too.
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Co-host 1
Naylor for sure is an absolute tank playing first base. He's a, he's a big son of a. He talks a lot of too. So him getting going is huge. But Mariners steal two in Toronto, now they're going back to Seattle. And then there's a, there's a chance they might sweep them. I don't know. Blue Jays are very good, but boy, this is worst case scenario for them.
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Host
So they were in Toronto yesterday. So they're playing now. Did they start that game in Seattle today?
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Co-host 1
No, no, no. Travel, Day travel.
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Host
Oh, really? I didn't know they allowed.
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Co-host 1
Yep, well, international, you know, obviously so.
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Host
Yeah, custom. Especially nowadays with the air traffic control.
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Co-host 1
Yes, exactly.
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Host
Everything.
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Co-host 1
Government shutdown.
- [158:58]
Host
Crazy, crazy. What's going on in the sky. Shout out baseball. They need not go on Monday nights. Like, what are you doing? Just move it.
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Analyst 1
Seven game series.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, I mean it's a long game. They're playing for the World Series.
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Bruce Arians
I.
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Co-host 1
And I don't know if the World Series is lined up to be on like a Monday night or a Sunday night. I'm sure it is, but you know, I mean that's, that's baseball. They're not gonna do that.
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Host
Yeah, but we need them to do that. It'd be cool to watch that, the big dumpers over there in Seattle.
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Co-host 1
I agree, I agree.
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Bruce Arians
I think everybody wants to see the dumper in Otani. Oh, that's gonna be a good one.
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Co-host 1
Probably what it's gonna be.
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Host
And. Oh, dumps. World Series.
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Co-host 1
Yeah, exactly.
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Host
How would that do? Numbers wise? Because LA's in. It would be big.
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Co-host 1
Probably. Yeah. And then they'll also pull in the. I mean we saw like the Japanese and like the international market. Numbers, because. Yeah.
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Co-host 2
So what does America care about the Japanese.
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Bruce Arians
Japanese numbers?
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Co-host 1
No, but the MLB does for sure.
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Host
I wonder if the local businesses. That is interesting. Do they show them? They don't show American commercials. Probably. And is the. Is MLB running two different advertising companies?
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Co-host 1
I would assume so, but I have. I have no idea.
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Host
Yeah, because I guess they probably just license it through some TV network, right?
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Co-host 2
NHK or whatever.
- [160:13]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, that.
- [160:13]
Host
That is it. Right.
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Co-host 2
I forget if it's H or not. I just know the end and the K were at the effort.
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Host
If it's an R. Yeah, because we thought it was not Japan. No, we saw the N and the K, So that was 100% on us. We didn't know the TV network over there. We do know baseball's throwing a hot. Hell yeah. All right, on the way out here, let's do a giveaway. Now, BA because of what you did last week, we will not ask you to try to do that again. What we will do is ask a man named Debone. Okay, now there's a new game being played here in the Thunderdome and it's a take on an old game. So at the old office we used to have you basketball. Because only you can make this game go and you can be a good person and only you can uphold the rules that there are none really written. It's a lot of unwritten rules. A lot of, you know, there's a little bit of a. It's like hockey, you would say maybe or baseball where there's, you know, you can kind of stretch in and kind of teeter with the rules a little bit. What is real, what is not, that's you basketball. And only you can make it. Great. Well, there's a new version of you basketball here at the Thunderdome and there's only been three games played. I'm sorry, two games played. There were supposed to be three games but the champs decided not to because they had such a hot start. Hot start off. There's only one championship team and that's the D's Bone and Butt.
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Analyst 1
Workshop in a name.
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Host
Bones in butt. It's. And yeah, Bones in butt. Bones and. But the D's Bone and butt. D bone and D butt. And I'll tell you what, they're unbelievable. This might be D bones game and D but obviously we know there's an eight foot hoop involved. So D butt's going to be floating above that rim at all times. That hoop on the far side there, AJ is down at 8ft. Need the game is played with smaller balls. Like pop shot balls. Like these. These size balls.
- [162:09]
Analyst 1
What a game.
- [162:10]
Host
If this makes sense right here. So it's very much a state fair game. Now. What we had to do was find some game that somebody in the office could beat me and Foxy at. Okay. And it appears as if you add in a state fair type style game, others can certainly have success. Foxy, is that what it feels like? Amen. And D butt and d bone. The Ds, bone and butt, they put it on us. And we weren't the only ones. They beat the hell out of Bruce, is what. Bruce had a tough go. Oh, Bruce had a tough go. Got hot late.
- [162:38]
Co-host 3
Yep.
- [162:38]
Host
Tone had a tough. It was eight nothing games to 11.
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Co-host 3
Tone was carrying me.
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Todd
I was.
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Co-host 1
I was on the struggle bus out there.
- [162:45]
Host
Late, though. You guys didn't start making shots till late. It was like 8 nothing.
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Analyst 1
Tone was making shot. He just. He had an enemy in his own camp.
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Host
Airballs are worth negative points, and you can certainly make one shot and then the airball follows you, and all of a sudden it's only worth one point instead of two. With that being said, D Bone would throw a breaking curveball the length of this hoop or the length of this court. That thing would start on the right side of the backboard and curve in right in between the box. Splash multiple times. Felt like a Hail Mary, a prayer, if you will. And then it continued to fall. And then on the defensive side, the D's, Bone and butt, they're trying to break the rim down here. D Bones hanging on the rim. It's attached to a pillar in our building. Okay. That we had to build up this thing's brick. Brick wall. I honestly have no idea how sturdy it is. So obviously sturdy enough to hold that backboard. And it's sturdy enough for Debone to wreck the rim.
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Co-host 1
Not many more times, though.
- [163:40]
Host
10 seconds. This guy's.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [163:42]
Host
Hanging on his. Trying to break you. The wall's coming down. I think just. Just like we just saw. I think there's a chance that he was a throwback Shaq yesterday. Now the game involves tips, which he still doesn't fully comprehend. Towards the end, though, he started figuring it out.
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Analyst 1
Oh, yeah.
- [163:59]
Host
At the beginning, he would catch a pass, take two steps, dunk it, and like. Huh? It's like, you gotta tip it. I jumped. I jumped at the end. Then he mastered it. This might be D Bone's game, and I'm gonna say it. That would not be good for this entire office. If D Bone gets great at this game, I think it was a fluke.
- [164:18]
Co-host 1
One of a basketball hoop in three days or a wall.
- [164:21]
Host
Yeah, we'll see if it's a fluke. We'll see if it's a fluke. You want to throw a U ball from the foul line into the hoop if you make it.
- [164:31]
Analyst 1
Wait, wait. Can we give him the other ball, please? That's not.
- [164:33]
Host
Is this the ball you want? Okay. You can use both, I assume. No, only need one.
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Co-host 1
Oh, he doesn't like the dimples.
- [164:39]
Analyst 1
No, he likes.
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Host
He complained about the ball for sure. But he has also a big wind and bending ball. So the, you know, the painted side of it is certainly it helps them. D bone, for 25 people, you can win $500. All you gotta do is bury that ball into that eight foot hoop right over there and continue your U ball dominance. Your teammate, D butt has some motivational words.
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Analyst 1
You're a national champion, so just do what you do. And back to back champion. So make me proud, partner.
- [165:08]
Host
Someone say it is a world championship. I would say it's a fluke championship, just like Foxy. But they did beat both teams that they played yesterday. Foxy. We'll see. Good luck, Bone. B.A. anything to say to Bone as he attempts to throw this basketball into a hoop about the length of a court.
- [165:22]
Bruce Arians
Do your thing, baby.
- [165:24]
Host
Do your thing, baby. Why don't you go ahead and do your thing? 25 people, $500. Debone, the current reigning world champion of U ball. Oh, air ball. That would be minus one build up. That actually carries into the next one.
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Analyst 1
Time.
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Bruce Arians
Yes.
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Host
Okay. Debone, national champion, obviously in football. D3 football. World champion at U ball. And Foxy, how do you feel after watching that knowing that he is your champion? This guy stinks. We knew it was coming. Yesterday was a fluke. All right, Bone, you have absolutely no chance. He said you did a great job. Now if you were able to make this 25 people $500, all you got to do is make it. Now he does does have a band aid around his middle finger.
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Co-host 2
That's true.
- [166:05]
Host
Yeah. Because we have chain link netting and obviously big Shaq here, Diesel had to grab on that thing and he got a little bit of a whiplash of a chain around it. So he had to put a band aid on that in the middle of the game. I will say didn't miss a snap. Okay. Didn't miss a snap, Kobe. But there is a chance that that's going to affect the. That's going to rest in peace. That is going to affect the throw here. Coming off that middle finger. Last opportunity here, Debone. Don't listen to what Foxy said. That was. That was obviously some very real things. Yeah, I agree with him, actually. Yeah. 25 people. 500.
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Co-host 3
Oh, that was closer.
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Host
Hey, you're still the champ. Bone also potentially falls in the camp of being sick of the giveaways he could.
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Analyst 1
Yeah.
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Host
Which some people in the Thunderdome certainly are. A lot of people are saying, let's not be giving him money. Let's make sure we keep that in this way. Bones thinking about Christmas bonuses. If I make this, Sean, $12,500 out of the kitty.
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Co-host 3
Yeah, he missed on purpose.
- [167:09]
Host
Then. That's our champion. Thank you, Dea.
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Bruce Arians
That boy, Bo.
- [167:15]
Host
De. How long do you think you guys are champs? I know you didn't want to play that third game yesterday.
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Analyst 1
Oh, we're fighting champs. So we gave the Thunderdome an opportunity. And Tone, I mean, look, they made a go at it at the end there, so we'll win two more today.
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Host
Only two? What if BA Wants to get in there and start dancing? This might be his game.
- [167:32]
Bruce Arians
Actually, ain't nothing with my head and over my shoulder working, bro.
- [167:36]
Host
Can't work all three.
- [167:37]
Bruce Arians
Rotator cuff gone.
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Analyst 1
I can't wait to see high school hall of famer AQ Shipley do.
- [167:44]
Host
This is his game. Oh, just. Just how loud he's gonna throw that. Just the way he's gonna throw that thing down there is already enjoyable. And then him trying to.
- [167:53]
Co-host 1
Yes.
- [167:54]
Host
Oh, my God. Who's his teammate gonna be?
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Co-host 2
I don't know.
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Todd
I've got an opening.
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Co-host 2
There you go, Tone.
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Co-host 1
Wow.
- [168:02]
Host
Oh.
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Co-host 2
Tone Hughes.
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Co-host 3
Oh, no.
- [168:04]
Host
Bruce. Bruce got fired. Tone made three straight. I think, at one point. I think Tone made three straight at one point.
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Co-host 2
Asked for his release.
- [168:12]
Host
I mean, you guys are going to have to figure out your team's dynamics. All I know is me and Foxy winning this first game that's about to happen here, and then we're going to be the champs going forward. Whoever Tone decides to team up with, we'll be excited to see you. That's what we'll see. And then if anybody else. If you want to drive in from Ohio, A.J. just know that the U Ball court is waiting for you. You need to know that.
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Co-host 3
So you're getting dunked. How many do you get? Can you tip it back and forth? What, three times?
- [168:32]
Host
Yes.
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Co-host 3
The dunk tip or how.
- [168:34]
Host
Okay, there are dunks. Yes. And the issue was D bone, D's bone and butt bone.
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Co-host 3
He get you off the ground?
- [168:44]
Host
Yes. Catching ball.
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Co-host 1
Yeah.
- [168:46]
Host
Turning pivoting maybe even doing one of these. Yeah. And then saying, you know, that whole thing. But towards the end, D Butt was throwing it up in the air off the backboard to himself. Open to deep. I mean, they were. I'm just throwing up.
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Co-host 3
I'm just throwing up to Deb to debut all day. That's all deep. Bones job should be. Hey, you get it. And just get up in the air for me.
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Host
Yeah, but you got to remember, but in Bone and Butt, he can jump up and. Yeah, he can. He can literally throw it down in the hoop. They were unbelievable on a defensive end, which was once a massive weakness for Debone.
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Bruce Arians
Okay.
- [169:20]
Host
Because D Bone has no touch, has now become a very big upside for Debone. That's why I'm saying he might have found his shit here. He might have found his shit here.
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Bruce Arians
There.
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Host
And we. We're gonna have to understand that's going to add a different Debone into the Thunderdome.
- [169:34]
Bruce Arians
Oh, yes, Certainly.
- [169:35]
Host
He's going to be peacocking around here, I think, as he should. I'm going to be watching his feet a little bit closer.
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Co-host 3
Oh, here.
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Co-host 1
I think you should.
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Host
Yeah, you're the champ here.
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Co-host 2
We.
- [169:43]
Host
And unlike the NFL, we're gonna call against you guys. Thank you.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [169:47]
Host
Can't see Chief's got no penalties. Yeah, right, Debone. All of them.
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Analyst 1
You guys called him. You didn't let him slide.
- [169:53]
Host
Wasn't us boys off the board, independent. That was Tone Dix. Tom Diggs was not playing. Yeah, we had the.
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Co-host 1
Well, we all know Bone will be the bell of the ball playing this game until he fucking hangs on the rim and shatters the backboard. And everyone's pissed at him because we got to get a new basketball hoop in here.
- [170:08]
Host
That is a possible outcome.
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Co-host 2
Just hope the backboard doesn't split him in half.
- [170:11]
Bruce Arians
Well, just don't get Russell York to do the officiate.
- [170:14]
Host
Okay, back to that. He needs to be better, and I can't believe he was in control. That's what I think I'm learning. I've said this before. You know when you're watching a commercial for a company, and then you learn about what your company's been doing to you? Like a banking company has a commercial and they go, we don't insert name of terrible things that your bank is definitely doing to you. It's like, I didn't know my bank was doing that.
- [170:39]
Bruce Arians
The.
- [170:40]
Host
This rules guy, us finding out that he was in charge during a time of our existence here, Post. Every time he opens his mouth, it's like Alberto river on. At one point he would go and speak and it's like, you need to less of that because I'm losing confidence in the entire process, the way you do that. If I would have known this Russell York guy was there, we would have maybe stopped watching the entire league. Yeah, no idea. That's unbelievable. Then who else? Who's the guy you're mad at?
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Co-host 2
Aiden Hill. Oh, is that his name?
- [171:09]
Host
There's some refs that are just notoriously bad. Like there are some guys that are just not good and they still get gigs. And I'm not saying he's notoriously bad. Feels like he definitely this weekend had some bad ones, but it's like there's some bad refs. I think Dean Blandino does a great job on Fox. I think Gene Steritor does an incredible job on cbs. Like those people are very important. Like, that is very important to the broadcast. That is very important to the game. It's just like the white cap having confidence. You were speaking for the sport. You were speaking for our entire league. You are the game. You are the entire thing. So the experts got to be good too. Like the white cap certainly needs to have moxie. The white cap needs to understand the game in and out. The white cap has to be able to be on an ISO worldwide 49 million people. Who's it on? This guy with one open mic. Who's he speaking for? Everybody associated with this league and this broadcast. They have to have moxie and have it right. And then we don't need the expert chirping in wrong. Like we don't need. You don't need to be that. You just need to be not a part of it. If you're going to, to be wrong like that is, you're making things worse, not better in this entire. Well.
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Co-host 2
And that's the leeway I have with Adrien Hill. Thank you, Bruce. That's his name. Like this isn't his job. He's just. This is his side job. So I don't feel bad going after him because he's not losing his job. He's just losing what he does on Sunday.
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Host
See, that's the full time ref thing that obviously there's. Look at Bingo. Don't get me started.
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Co-host 2
Bingo. Exactly. No, I'm going to. I'm not, I'm not backing down from Adrian Hill because we won. So I, I have, have. I feel as though the, the most conviction to say something because if I don't and then the Colts or the Bucks or the packers or any of D bus teams lose in prime time and it is him, then we have no grounds to him because we just look like we're.
- [172:48]
Host
We're sore losers. Yeah, exactly. For excuses, because anytime you blame the refs, the other side automatically just says loser mentality. That's a loser don't know the rules. Now, on that note, there's a lot of fans bitching about calls, and the fans are wrong. And it's like, you're kind of the boy who cried wolf here. You're kind of. Whenever bad calls actually happen, everybody just kind of says, these people don't even know what they're talking about because how often there's complaints about, like, actual. Right. Calls. You know what I mean? A.J. we're always going to complain about calls, but whenever we get, like, up in arms about calls that are actually right, it kind of defeats the entire, hey, these guys suck type thing, because then the NFL can get. There's always going to be complaints about our refs. We're always striving to get better. But on that note, with a lot of backlash, the actual rules of the game are, buh, buh, buh. We should have definitely looked at buh, buh, buh. But this is definitely what the rules are. And then they go back and basically say, no argue, peasants. We are not changing anything. So whenever there's actual problems, like if somebody's 30 yards away from a play and does into pass interference, worst car. And then you call offensive pass interference after a touchdown is pl Is kind of scored, clearly taking back a touchdown for something. It's like, that should be talked about. Like, that should be tied. And this isn't the only thing. During this entire game, I think there was numerous things through the game. It's like, are we going to get any accountability from these people? We would like to know what happened.
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Co-host 2
And that's exactly why, like, after the game, it's fine. Like, okay, I'll read the pool report. And then you read the pool report, and it's like, oh, okay. So I actually will put my Adrian Hill needs to be fired from the NFL forever hat on, and I won't take it off till he does.
- [174:23]
Host
Yeah, and let's see if he bounces back. But the accountability of refs has always been the question. And BA Is a guy who. He get on the refs that are there at practice. You know, like, Big Ten refs are coming to practice with the Indianapolis Colts, and they can get it if they throw the wrong flag. You certainly have a standard for refs but they change lives. Legacies, games, fire people, side job.
- [174:45]
Bruce Arians
The only billion dollar industry where part time people make the decisions.
- [174:49]
Host
How long have you been pitching the.
- [174:53]
Bruce Arians
Well, we had it. We had the union broke when we had the scabs and we had that crazy call up in Seattle on Hail Mary and everybody went crazy and we gave in. It's the strongest union in the country.
- [175:07]
Host
The refs.
- [175:07]
Bruce Arians
Yeah. Really look at their deal.
- [175:10]
Host
So they don't have to give any explanation to anyone.
- [175:12]
Bruce Arians
They're totally, they're untouchable in the NFL.
- [175:15]
Co-host 2
They just bend the knee.
- [175:16]
Host
Well, they have to because they're saying the agreement that they made. So whenever the fail marry happens, I think is what BA just said. And this is a piece of information that I guess I'm learning in real time. I don't know if it actually is. But in this moment I assume the ref unions who are trying to get a new deal with the NFL say, excuse me, you want this to happen? You get high school officials because they weren't even college officials because the college officials wanted to become NFL officials. So they didn't want to be scabs to go against the NFL union because they hoped to one day become NFL officials. So this was literally the refs that knew they would never become NFL refs. Which means these are all the assest refs of all time that were out there, let alone this the fail Mary. You're talking about putting the ball in the wrong hash every time, putting on the wrong yard line, every like even just the logistics of going through a game, they fucked it all up. And what he's saying is the ref union called the NFL and said, is this, is this what you guys want?
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Co-host 1
You making a mockery of the game?
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Host
And then the NFL bet the deal said, yeah, we need you back here because this is on primetime. And they had what we like to call leverage in the negotiation. How long is that deal for? Do we know and do we understand what that is?
- [176:16]
Bruce Arians
I think it comes up every four or five years, but still it still weighs out. And it is a strong union and a strong deal for them.
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Host
You don't have to talk.
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Co-host 2
Well, I got plenty of time.
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Host
You're not the only one, brother.
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Co-host 2
No doubt.
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Host
And we bring it up to Goodell, right? And he goes, we look around at other leagues and there's full time officials and we don't think that their accuracy rate is any. He like always has it. And then like last night for the illegal formation, I saw a lot of Bears fans complaining about it. You look back at that. Calls it before the ball is thrown, before the touchdown happens. And certainly an argument could be made that the tackle is too far back. So like Bears fans going crazy about that. The NFL could just go, we've called this across the entire league.
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Co-host 2
Yes.
- [176:56]
Host
This. We've done this all the time. We did this. Right. It's like they grandstand on those moments when they're right and then whenever the actual things happen like that offensive pass interference is. That's why you make. It makes you wonder. Actually you can't help but wonder like what.
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Bruce Arians
What.
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Host
What's going on here? Like how is this. Because even the zoom in thing he's running doesn't even think about throwing a flag.
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Co-host 2
Nope.
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Host
Okay. The ref over there. So it's like.
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Analyst 1
And it doesn't even make sense football play wise. Like what? Because the pool report after was saying he was caught because he was blocking during like a pass.
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Co-host 3
He was not blocking.
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Analyst 1
Yeah, but like he wasn't blocking number one. And why would he be blocking like 30 yards away from the pass? Not even. Probably not even knowing at that point the ball was thrown to pop like it. It. It was. And then not seeing the flag or. I watched all 22. I'm looking at every riff that would have thrown the flag. Not seen like it. This was this.
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Host
It's weird.
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Analyst 1
If this was a Chiefs like you would have been hearing like it would have been a much louder. Much louder thing.
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Co-host 2
And truthfully this doesn't even matter in the game because the Patriots end up getting a touchdown on this drive. The real problem is on I think it was third and 15. He throws a deep ball. The Diggs down the sideline. And Diggs I guess has a little push off. Definitely a flop. Which if the Bears or. Yeah, if the Bears guy flopped. Sorry. The commander's guy flopped on Swift. That would have got called holding. But that there's that and the. The next play. Yeah. Shouldn't be called. But it is so fine. The next play, Mack Hollins, same exact thing. Third and 27. The ball's coming in and the Saints guy grabs his arms and it's an incompletion and it's not called. So like that is the. It's those three together like the digs thing on its own. Whatever. We end up scoring a touchdown. The second Diggs one. Sure. I can let it go. I guess.
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Host
You can't. That's not a call.
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Co-host 2
Not a call.
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Host
Offensive pass interference is a tough call. You don't hear it a lot. No, you don't you don't. You don't hear offensive pass interference. So for that to be called on the one where he's 30 yards away is an absurd call. You think to yourself, well, it must be obvious. And then you watch it. No. And then this one flop. It must be obvious, right? Nope, not really. But DBs are the reason you can't challenge us anymore. Remember that? Remember that?
- [178:59]
Analyst 1
I mean, that was a terrible.
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Co-host 2
The real reason is Alberto Riveron, which, again, we're back at square one.
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Host
Who's making the decisions on the reviews? Because if they're incompetent, do the reviews even matter?
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Co-host 2
They gave it one year with river on. One year with river on. They weren't like, hey, instead of changing, who's in charge with this pastor, maybe.
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Host
A younger person that can kind of see it and understands it. And like, you know the Xbox controller that the XFL was doing live in real time, you get a younger person that's pretty savvy on all that shit and teach them the rules. Like Blandino. I don't want to keep going back to Blandino, but, yeah, Blandino is very good. It seems like he understands everything that's going on. Savvy. The only issue is the networks are like, this guy's really good. We'll give you triple whatever the NFL's paying now. All right, we'll see you Gene Ster. Need him in the game.
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Co-host 2
Francesa or what? Whatever. Pereira. Sorry. Speaking of sports.
- [179:44]
Bruce Arians
Pub.
- [179:45]
Host
Herrera. I don't. Pereira's way. Did Pereira ref?
- [179:48]
Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah.
- [179:49]
Host
He was maybe the most entertaining person I've seen. He is. He is a hilarious individual. Him and his arrest would have been hilarious.
- [180:00]
Bruce Arians
I can't swear to that one.
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Co-host 2
It's the last frontier of the NFL. NFL. It feels like they figured out the kickoff. We have legitimately, like, 35 good quarterbacks. The last thing they need to do is the referees. And all of a sudden, it truly is the perfect league.
- [180:15]
Bruce Arians
Biggest scouting report we did each week was, who's referring the game?
- [180:18]
Co-host 2
And that's wrong now because they're all so different. Smart, but it shouldn't. Sorry, sorry.
- [180:23]
Bruce Arians
They're all so different. Dbs. Keep your hands out these guys. Don't touch the quarterback. This guy's going to flag you if you just nick him. Oh, you can whack this some in the face this week. This guy ain't never calling.
- [180:35]
Co-host 2
That's what I mean.
- [180:35]
Bruce Arians
The consistency, inconsistency of each crew week to week, totally different.
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Host
The National Football League and the NFL Refs association have reached A seven year collective bargaining agreement. The sides announced on Saturday. The new deal runs through May 31, 2026. Okay. Hey, let's go. Let's get this right. Let's get this right. This agreement solidifies the working partnership between the league and officials toward a common goal. Developing and training, training the best officials in the world. We hope that continues. We hope that grows even more. And good luck to all parties getting that done. Let's get the hell out of here. What a great Tuesday. Thank you so much, BA for traveling up here. You're the man.
- [181:05]
Bruce Arians
Appreciate you, brother. Better show next week.
- [181:07]
Host
Yeah, well, not yet. Hold on, Coach. Jesus. You're gonna have to come up with something new. You're coming with something new at the end of the show.
- [181:12]
Bruce Arians
Same message, baby.
- [181:13]
Host
Okay. Hey, need to hear it. Need to hear it. Do people get tired of it, though? Not here. Want to let you know that with you, we appreciate your vibes. Not only on show, but off the show. We thank you for traveling up here every time, single week. Aj, you're the man. Ton, why don't you come out of Hammer?
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Co-host 3
Done. Done.
- [181:25]
Host
And boys in the back.
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Co-host 2
Great work.
- [181:27]
Host
Really good graphic design, boys. Everybody out there, really good work today. Phenomenal job done, boys, on the Rushmore episode. Great work, great work on all parties involved in that. And we can't thank you all enough for allowing us to be a part of your life. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Anything say BA Great show.
- [181:47]
Bruce Arians
Better win next week.
- [181:49]
Host
Amen. It hit. It hit.
- [181:50]
Co-host 1
Second time it did.
- [181:52]
Host
Team on three. One, two, three.
- [181:53]
Co-host 2
Team.
- [181:54]
Host
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