PMS 2.0 1436 - TNF Preview, Shams Charania, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, Kirk Herbstreit, & AJ Hawk

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pat McAfee Show 2.0 - Episode 1436

Date: October 23, 2025
Host: A.J. Hawk (sitting in for Pat McAfee) with the Toxic Table, Tone Diggs, and special guests
Notable Segments: Shams Charania, AQ Shipley ("In the Trenches"), Darius Butler ("Everything DB"), Kirk Herbstreit, AJ Hawk

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Brief Overview

This episode delivers a dynamic blend of urgent NBA news, deep NFL analysis, and insider sports satire. Host A.J. Hawk leads a lively crew through breaking headlines—most notably a massive NBA mob/gambling scandal—then pivots to “in the trenches” football talk, defensive breakdowns, and a preview of Thursday Night Football featuring insights from Kirk Herbstreit. The episode, true to The Pat McAfee Show's voice, is irreverent, insider-heavy, fast-paced, and filled with banter.

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Key Segments & Topics

1. Breaking NBA News: Gambling, Mafia Ties, and Arrests

[00:00–15:15]

• FBI Press Conference Recap: Kash Patel, FBI Director, announces the multi-state takedown of an illegal gambling and sports rigging enterprise involving NBA players/coaches and La Cosa Nostra crime families. Over 30 people arrested.
• Big Names Involved:
  • Chauncey Billups (Trailblazers head coach, arrested for rigging/cheating poker games, alleged mafia ties)
  • Terry Rozier (Miami Heat guard, arrested for insider betting, supplying gamblers with player info)
  • Damon Jones (ex-player/coach, both sports gambling and poker-ring charges, mob ties)
• Shams Charania Interview:
  • Emphasizes the unprecedented nature—never before has an active NBA head coach been taken by federal authorities.
  • Rozier was cleared by NBA but not by Feds: “He was cleared by the NBA. That’s why he was playing. But that doesn’t mean from a federal perspective, he was clear.” (Shams, [09:23])
  • Investigation began with Johntay Porter, has widened to 40+ people.
  • “Right now, Breaking: The NBA said they are reviewing the federal indictments announced today. Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups are being placed on immediate leave from their teams.” (Shams, [13:58])
  • Only Malik Beasley is under ongoing investigation but not charged/arrested as of this episode.
• Panel Reaction:
  • Shock and speculation about the reach of the scandal. “It’s like they were investigating the mob for one thing and then, whoa, players and coaches are here, too.” (A.J., [16:40])
  • The difference between illegal poker cheating and game manipulation (“That’s the integrity of the game, right?” – [16:11])

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2. NFL Analysis: “In the Trenches” with AQ Shipley

[18:58–32:21]
A ranking of top NFL offensive lines from Week 7, with in-depth film study and banter.

Top 5 O-Lines of the Week:

• #5 New England Patriots:
  • “First time all season they’ve run the ball this well. Two rookies have revitalized their line.” (AQ, [19:37])
• #4 Chicago Bears:
  • “This is exactly what Ben Johnson envisioned, minus the quarterback.” (AQ, [22:19])
  • Praise for rookie tight end Colson Loveland’s blocking.
• #3 Indianapolis Colts:
  • “They are the best O-line in football… but two other groups played better this week. Bortolini gets the cross-face. He seals it.” (AQ, [25:44])
  • Features signature inside jokes about player names and food.
• #2 Detroit Lions:
  • “They knew who was coming into town… Tampa Bay. This was like a 9-on-7 game. Just attitude.” (AQ, [27:46])
• #1 San Francisco 49ers:
  • “175 rushing yards. McCaffrey’s best day since 2023. It’s everything to do with 44 and 85 [Juszczyk and Kittle].” (AQ, [29:26])
  • Commentary on practice habits: “Everything is off the run game.” (AQ, [30:37])

Memorable Banter:

• Overlapping jokes about Italian pasta, “plump” linemen, and celebration routines.
• Bit on “on and on and on…” running through top lines, stringing out the joke (“Sometimes you’re in a segment and you wish it would go all day…” – [32:03])

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3. Everything DB: Defensive Back Breakdown with Darius Butler

[33:00–53:00]

Good D, Bad D – Notable Moments:

• JC Horn (Carolina Panthers):
  • “He’s phenomenal… Not panicking, not just running into the receiver, going up and high pointing this with one hand.” (Butler, [35:15])
• Nick Cross (Colts):
  • “He baited him, then does a walking spin while covering a guy… Unbelievable play.” ([39:44])
• Vikings’ Andrew Mukuba (rookie):
  • “If Mukuba doesn’t get back and spin around, that’s a completion. Great heads-up play by the rookie.” ([47:12])
• Bad D Examples:
  • Vikings’ Cover-2 bust vs. Devonta Smith (Eagles): “You always want to be inside leverage. He’s already in a bad spot here… Then Jalen Hurts just drops it in.” ([50:08])
  • Commanders’ Marshon Lattimore angle (vs. CeeDee Lamb): “Angles are everything… as a corner, that’s something safeties do. Knocks off the other DB, Cowboys walk it in.” ([52:28])

Teaching Moments:

• Explains inverted Cover-2, technique responsibilities, angles, and ball skills.
• Classic show self-awareness: “Sorry, Skoal fans, Vikings are still on here.” (Butler, [49:25])

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4. NBA Roundup: Rookie Sensations and the Wemby Show

[59:00–69:53]

• Recap of NBA Opening Night:
  • VJ Edgecomb (Sixers rookie) “stole the show” with 34 pts, 7 rebounds.
  • Cooper Flagg (youngest double-double in NBA history).
  • Victor Wembanyama (“Wemby”):
    • Dominated with 40 points, 15 rebounds, “It looks like he’s dunking on an eight foot rim… It’s one of those things where I hope there’s 50 prime time Spurs games.” (Conor/Tone, [61:55])
    • “His MVP odds shot from +950 to +300 overnight.” (Tone, [63:10])
• Wemby Discussion:
  • Debate on physical build, injury risk, comparisons to Kevin Durant and Giannis (“He can’t put on too much weight, that’s how these foot injuries start.” – [66:54])
  • All agree he is already must-watch appointment TV.
• Tension with NBA’s Scandal:
  • “Wemby is great for the NBA… especially in times the NBA is facing right now.” (A.J., [69:30])

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5. NFL Headlines, QB News, and Locker Room Culture

[70:46–76:35]

• Lamar Jackson Injury Update:
  • Still day-to-day with a hamstring, but Baltimore is desperate (“Even at 60%, you almost have to play Lamar on Sunday.” – Ty, [72:49])
  • Comparison to Jaden Daniels’ injury status (already ruled out).
• Ravens Locker Room “Taking Away the Toys”:
  • Veterans removing distractions due to team underperformance. Panel compares it to their own locker room experiences and shares a Keith Bullock anecdote (“…we're out here losing, like, that type of stuff… broke the [video game] system…” – [75:28])
  • Reflection on leadership, accountability, and “being a pro”.

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6. Thursday Night Football (TNF) Preview with Kirk Herbstreit

[76:35–101:00]

• Game: Vikings vs. Chargers:
  • Both teams battered by injuries—Chargers decimated at tackle and RB, Vikings facing QB drama.
• Herbstreit’s Insight:
  • Chargers "invested in the backfield" but constant injuries forced Herbert to throw 55x last week: “Their entire investment was to get better running… but now Herbert’s been hit more than any quarterback in the league.” (Kirk, [79:00])
  • On Vikings QB situation: “If Carson Wentz goes out tonight and just plays awesome… Do you stick with the hot hand? But if JJ McCarthy is healthy after a mini-bye, do you go back? I think it’s a fair discussion for Minnesota fans.” (Kirk, [81:42])
  • On Kevin O’Connell: “He gives his QBs answers. He does as good a job as anyone at diagnosing a defense and knowing how to attack it and finding weaknesses.” (Kirk, [84:55])
• Panel Banter:
  • “We’re all excited for the Carson Wentz experience tonight…” (A.J., [87:11])
  • Quick college football tangent about preseason rankings and ref accountability.

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7. NFL Talk: Aaron Rodgers’ Pittsburgh Homecoming & More

[104:35–110:45]

• Aaron Rodgers downplays animosity toward the Packers ahead of Packers-Steelers, focusing on gratitude and nostalgia.
• Clips of Rodgers in local Green Bay haunts, comments on his departure.
• Panel breaks down team picks, uniform combos, and whether Steelers can pull the upset at home.

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8. Special Teams & NFL Rule Change Reactions

[111:48–113:19]

• The new NFL kickoff setup has resulted in nearly 80% returns (“highest since 2006”).
• Ongoing debate about the onside kick replacement (“Fourth and 15” play possibly replacing it).
• Show expresses nostalgia for old-school big collisions.

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9. Gambling & Picks Segment

[114:16–116:33]

• Mike McCarthy’s pick revealed: Vikings +3.5 – “Whoever wins the run game and turnover ratio will win.”
• AJ Hawk and McCarthy ride with the Vikings, Pat’s pick is the Chargers (-3).
• Tone emphasizes trends: “If you don’t learn from the past, you’re doomed to repeat it.” ([116:19])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the NBA scandal:
  • “Never have we seen an acting head coach be involved in a federal investigation, an arrest like this, an active NBA player.” – Shams Charania ([04:35])
  • “Clearly even though he wasn’t mentioned as a formal target in that investigation,… he was charged here today.” – Shams Charania on Terry Rozier ([09:23])
• On Offensive Line Play:
  • “They revamped their line with two rookies… and they are very good at running the football.” – AQ Shipley ([19:37])
• On Defensive Instincts:
  • “When you’re behind, we call that out of phase. You’re not taught to look back for the ball, but once you get towards the end zone, you really got nothing to lose. This is not panicking.” – Darius Butler on JC Horn ([35:15])
• On Wembanyama:
  • “It looks like you’re watching a different species.” – Panel on Wemby ([62:14])
  • “If Wemby stays healthy, he will be just a historic, winning-all-the-awards player.” (Conor, [61:55])
• On the Vikings QB Situation:
  • “I don’t think it’s McCarthy’s a miss as a draft pick… but how do we go from a guy who’s 3-2 as a starter to a guy who’s not had any reps?” – Kirk Herbstreit ([83:36])

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [00:00–15:15] NBA scandal with Shams Charania, FBI press conference, arrests
• [18:58–32:21] In the Trenches: NFL O-line Rankings/Analysis with AQ Shipley
• [33:00–53:00] Everything DB: Defensive Backfield Breakdown with Darius Butler
• [59:00–69:53] NBA Opening Night, Rookie Sensations, Wembanyama Hype
• [70:46–76:35] NFL Injury Updates, Locker Room Stories
• [76:35–101:00] TNF Preview & Interview with Kirk Herbstreit
• [104:35–110:45] Rodgers’ Return, Packers-Steelers, Uniform banter
• [111:48–113:19] NFL Special Teams Rules Reactions
• [114:16–116:33] Gambling Picks: Vikings vs. Chargers

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Style & Tone

The episode is energetic, insider-heavy, peppered with football “guy” jokes and irreverent banter. There’s self-awareness about their own running bits, as well as moments of breaking news and surprising candor on integrity in sports.

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Conclusion

This episode captures the spirit of The Pat McAfee Show, rapidly pivoting through breaking news and in-depth sports analysis, blending serious commentary (especially on the NBA scandal) with running jokes and real ex-player insight. AJ Hawk holds down the fort, with Shams bringing legitimate journalism, and the rest of the crew exchanging sharp, funny takes on the day’s biggest issues in sports.

Listeners get a satisfying mix of news, analysis, and the unique camaraderie that defines this show—whether you’re here for the headlines, betting picks, or laughs.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to the Pat McAfee Show. I'm A.J. hawk sitting in for Pat. He's on special assignment today. Fellas, toxic table's here. Tone Diggs is here. Everybody's here. Football, everybody but Pat is here. I'm AJ Hawks sitting for Pat. Obviously, we have a huge football game tonight. Vikings taking on the Chargers. We know that's going to be a big one. Kirk Herbstreet will be out there on the call with Al Michaels. We'll talk to Kirk later in the second hour. But I think everybody knows there's been some breaking news in the nb, all kinds of stuff floating around the Internet. We don't know exactly what's happening. Let's take it to Kash Patel. He has a quick minute and 40 press conference, I think, where he kind of describes exactly what might be going on.

[B]

To announce a historic arrest across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the NBA and La Casa Nostra. The men and women up here standing.

[C]

With me represent a small portion of.

[B]

The leadership team that brought profound justice in an era that needed it more than any.

[D]

I'll just highlight some of the, some.

[A]

Of the details in the case and.

[B]

The FBI work and then you'll hear from the others. But as you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today. Former current NBA players and coaches.

[E]

What you don't know is that this.

[B]

Is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years. The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing. Not only did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also entered and executed a system of.

[C]

Justice against La Casa Nostra to include.

[B]

The Bonanno, Gambino, Genovese and Lucchese crime families. And you'll hear more about those details today. The charges and the arrests that were taken down across this country range from wire fraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling. This FBI will leave no room for any perpetrator of crime across this country. You hear a lot about our work of defending the homeland and crushing violent crime. Well, this work is also representative of.

[C]

A colossal portion of the FBI's mandate.

[B]

To, to keep America safe and to keep our entertainment industry fair and secure.

[A]

Yeah, there you have it. You hear FBI Director Kash Patel kind of describing what has gone on with the different arrests and the allegations. And let's not make this guy wait any longer. Mr. Shams Sharanya, please join us right now. Shams, how's it going buddy? What is I guess what did we just hear there? Are we just scratching the surface? And what have you heard over the last hour?

[C]

I guess so this all started Johntay Porter, there was a group of other co conspirators that was a while ago I believe last year and ever since then you know there's been an ongoing investigation. So today three notable arrests were made. The first one, Chauncey Billups, the Portland Trailblazers head coach. He was just coaching in an NBA game last night in Portland against the Minnesota Timberwolves. He was arrested at around 6am in Portland, Oregon. Terry Rozier, Miami Heat guard He was also arrested this morning at 6:00am in Orlando. And then Damon Jones also played in the NBA, was an assistant coach in the NBA. He was arrested this morning at 6am Rozier was involved with charges around sports betting prop bets, giving information to conspirators that were gambling on on games hundreds of thousands of dollars allegedly. Chauncey Billups was involved in allegedly illegal poker games and cheating and rigging on those poker games as part of a mafia mob Tide affiliated situation. And Damon Jones is the one guy that was charged that had crossover with both not only the sports gambling, sports betting, providing information, insider information as Kash Patel and the FBI essentially have called it to coconspirators. And then he was also involved allegedly with the illegal poker games, cheating and rigging on those poker games with mafia ties. And so obviously this is seismic news around the NBA. Never have we seen an acting head coach be involved in a federal investigation, an arrest like this, an active NBA player. We saw Johntay Porter was arrested and charged with gambling, sports betting, prop betting and his involvement in that. But another active player now, Terry Rozier involved in a similar case. He's obviously a much bigger name player than Johntay Porter. Johnte Porter was on a two way contract. Terry Rozier has been on multiple, you know, 40, 50, $90 million deals. Right now he's making $26 million. So some book bookkeeping here. Chau Phillips I'm told will be arraigned in Portland at 1pm local time. Terry Rozier will be arraigned in Orlando at 2:30pm so Chaunau Phillips, 1:00pm hour in Portland, 2:30pm hour for Terry Rozier in Orlando. And so this is a case of in te Rozier situation. It's insider trading is what they're alleging as they have with Johntay Porter previously. This is obviously colossal news. The one guy AJ that we've spoken about on this show, it's come out Malik Beasley. He's been a part of a federal investigation. He's part of an ongoing NBA investigation. He was not arrested today. His lawyer told me he has not been cooperating with federal authorities on Chauncey Billups, on Terry Rozier. Meaning he is not involved in this group, this investigate, whatever this investigation led to here at least initially. 30 plus arrests, I'm told Malik Beasley is not involved in this situation. And so just some, some more bookkeeping there. But we'll see how much more comes of this. Right. Like this started as a 3, 4, 5 person group. It's now morphed into over 40. It has mob affiliation, mafia affiliation and will there be more? Right now there's over 30 today.

[A]

It feels like you would assume there might be more. I mean listen to Cash Patel in his press conference. But this is. But it's. It's two different forms of illegal activity.

[D]

Right.

[A]

I guess there's the point shaving, possibly allegedly whatever you're doing to manipulate a game, what players do. But then also the illegal poker games where what you're putting, they said there's X ray machines, there's hidden cameras, there's things where they can read their hole cards that are face down. So who'd you say is the crossover there? And are these like, how connected are these things?

[C]

Damon Jones is the one guy that's charged in both cases. Damon Jones involved allegedly in the illegal sports or. Yeah, the illegal sports gambling providing information. Essentially the way that Cash Patel the FBI have framed it is insider trading, insider information being given out. There was one alleged situation where Damon Jones let co conspirators and others hear gambling involved in an improper way that LeBron James was going to be sitting in a game in against Milwaukee and, and that, you know, then obviously gamblers and betters can then go bet on Milwaukee in that instance. So that's just one alleged situation that has been brought up in these indictments. These indictments are dozens and dozens of pages long, still going through them. And there are mentions of Chauncey Billups involved in at least one similar situation. But his biggest charge was the illegal poker, you know, essentially cheating. Ringing the poker games in state.

[A]

A bunch of different states. Dam charms, wasn't it in multiple different states where these illegal poker games were happening. Where they were. They had devices and things which I don't. Maybe I'm naive. But if there's an illegal Poker game, that's one thing. We're running that. But then there's more charges. If you're cheating at an illegal poker game. I feel like that's like almost like a moral.

[E]

Double jeopardy.

[A]

Double.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I mean, again, we don't know the, the lengths of the, of the evidence that is at hand here. You know, we know what's in the documents. You know, was Chauncey Billups knowingly involved with the Mafia, with the mob? You know, it's been brought to me by some people here. Like, you know, is it possible to even unknowingly be involved in a, in a improper illegal poker game? Essentially? Like when you're basically rigging a poker game, how can you unknowingly do that? Like again, that's all, that's all for, for, for discussion. But the FBI, what they're, their main charge with Chauncey Billups is the rigging of poker games. And so I believe I read it most, you know, where these took place were New York, Manhattan area. But as Cash Patel said there were, I want to say 11 states. He said that all of this overall activity from sports betting to the illegal poker games, all of this ranged 11 states.

[A]

Boston. Connor's got something for you, Sean.

[G]

Yeah, Shams. You said Malik Beasley still being investigated by the NBA and the FBI. Terry Rozier was investigated by the NBA last year and the NBA has already said they had no idea.

[C]

They've been. Yeah, sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. Yeah, I do want to clear, make it clear here. Terry Rozier was cleared by the NBA. That's why he was playing in games. He was involved in games. He's been through an NBA investigation already. They took his phone from my understanding, as part of that. He was cleared from that. His attorney even came out with that statement today. But that doesn't mean from a federal perspective, he was clear. So clearly, even though he wasn't mentioned as a formal target in that investigation, at least initially, he was charged here today, clearly he was arrested. He has an arrangement today at 2:30 in Orlando, but he was cleared by the NBA. That's why he was playing.

[G]

So with that being said with the Malik Beasley situation, when they're still going into his entire situation and the FBI is going into their entire investigation, like what is the difference between those two? Just the, you know, the FBI's resources and their ability to connect everything versus the NBA, just looking at one specific situation.

[C]

The powers are large. I mean you can talk to conspirators, you can Talk to people that you feel like might be involved. They all have the ability from a federal perspective, from a league perspective, there's an ability to go, you know, even take evidence, right? Take a phone, take other surveillance material, laptops, etc. So that's all under the jurisdiction of definitely the federal realm. But even the league is able to potentially do that. They did that with Terry Rozier and they cleared him. Malik Beasley's case, he was not arrested today. He was not taken into custody today as part of this federal investigation situation. Again, I'm not saying he will never be. That's not what I'm saying here. What I'm saying is he was not part of the 30 plus defendants in this sports gaming, betting, illegal poker schemes, arrest ring today. And so the league's investigation has been ongoing. I reported a while ago that he wasn't mentioned as a target of the federal investigation, but the league's investigation has been ongoing to Malik Bizi, but he was not involved in this. And his attorney, Steve Haney even told me he's not cooperating with the federal investigators about these two in particular or three in particular as far as Damon Jones, Chauncey Billups and Terry Rozier.

[A]

Shams. Did you have any idea of this before this morning? It seems like it's unbelievable how quiet this was until bam, all of a sudden, guys are arrested.

[C]

I'd gotten when last night that there was going to be a press conference and that Cash Patel I'd been hearing over the last 24 hours was actually a big name in all of this and someone that was taking a leading role in this investigation process. Obviously this is for Terry Rozier. He's been investigated for over two years now. This is something that's been going on since 2023. And so, you know, that's local authorities, Eastern District of New York, but now Cash Patel, FBI involvement. I got wind of it last night. Obviously, you know, the names and the specific reporting this morning.

[A]

So what's. What's. I guess can you give us a little glimpse what your life looks like right now? I'm sure you're juggling a few things, talking to some all over the place. What's it been like for you?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, it's now. Now it's all public. So everything that I've been working on since last night is now public information. And so now it's figuring out what's next. Right. Portland Trailblazers. What is next with them? Who coaches the Miami Heat? Yeah, what's next with. With Terry Rozier? As a player. He's under contract for $26 million. $26 million for Terry Rozier on the Heat salary cap. And what's the league's stance? How is the league addressing this? So there are multiple.

[A]

They have a presser. Is Silver gonna have a presser or anything? Show them. So, like, are they gonna. I assume they're gonna have to address it publicly. Are they gonna have, like a big. Make it a big thing.

[C]

To my knowledge, as of last night, there was not really this. I mean, there was no knowledge by Chauncey Billups, by Terry Rozier, by the league that these. These arrests were coming specifically. I didn't even have it fully confirmed until this morning. But now you're able to get a look at the indictments. You know, they're gonna be able to get a look at the press conf. Authorities, talk to the federal authorities. And, you know, we're still waiting on the NBA, Portland, Miami for statements and seeing how they're going to be handling it with their own players and coaches, if you're. If you're Portland and Miami, but then as a league with the NBA.

[A]

All right, Shams, I know you got plenty to get to. You got your phone, you know, going off the hook. So I appreciate you coming on, Shams. And we will look out for anything new.

[C]

Right now, Breaking a statement here right now. The NBA said they are reviewing the federal indictments announced today. Terry Rozier and Chauncey Bill are being placed on immediate leave from their teams. And. And so we are going to be tweeting this out right now, but Chauncey Billups and Miami's Terry Rozier, get your sound on. Have been placed on immediate leave.

[E]

Great work.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

You spell it right by the NBA.

[A]

Okay, so. So that's indefinite, I guess, until they get to the bottom till they snoop around for a little bit.

[G]

Right, Shams, indictments today.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Wow.

[G]

Arraignments.

[A]

All right, Shams. Well, hey, we appreciate you. Let us know if you get any extra. Any more breaking news straight from the sources. Let us know. We appreciate your time.

[C]

Read this whole statement. We are in the process of reviewing the federal indictments announced today. Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups are being placed on immediate leave from their teams. And we will continue to cooperate with the relevant authorities. We take these allegations with the utmost seriousness, and the integrity of our game remains our top priority. That's the NBA statement right now, delivered here.

[A]

Okay, Sean. So, yeah, it. It sounds like we're just.

[G]

Good. Good work.

[A]

Investigative journalist Shams you're killing it, buddy. Really appreciate your time. We'll reach out to you again sometime in the near future. I am sure. But Ladies and gentlemen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what do we learn there? What do we learn?

[G]

It sounds like there's like very, very, very serious jail like that. That's what it sounds like. If they're getting a rains today at, at 1:00 clock and 2:30 and clearly we see him.

[A]

Will that be on camera? We see him in front of the judge.

[H]

I don't know.

[G]

I don't know.

[A]

Depends on.

[E]

I would imagine it'll get out there. I mean, I don't know.

[A]

Like, I mean Chauncey Bill's the head coach of the team right now currently playing, like Sean said, making $26 million.

[G]

Yeah. I mean this is a big deal.

[A]

It's a really big.

[E]

Especially for the NBA to have already cleared him once.

[H]

Yeah.

[E]

You know like, and now like so you wonder are they gonna make an example of him how much more evidence did. Came in. I mean it's just, it's crazy.

[A]

It really is the one thing like the NBA needs. I'm sure they want people to know like there's. These are separate situations, right?

[G]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Rigging, rigging in a legal poker game, that's one thing. But trying to like manipulate a game by. By how you play or what you may do like schematically, that's a, that's another huge situation. Like that's the integrity of the game, right?

[G]

Yeah. And I'm going to court. Like this stuff will come out like I mean they'll go on trial it sounds like at least. And who knows what does happen in the end. But you know, with the NBA players being a big part of it. But then also the, the mob kind of mafia type, you think it started.

[A]

Like they were investigating the mob for like trying to get in on stuff and then these. They found out the players, all this and then. Yeah, the players also the poker games. And this is like going on for three, four years, I heard.

[H]

I mean there's, I mean like you've seen it in movies and stuff like that where they're investigating for one thing and then another person like shows up.

[A]

And they're like oh, I recognize that.

[D]

Name on the list.

[H]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean obviously it's all speculation.

[A]

Until we also the victims though I sir, the victims could have reached out to the FBI, right. They said one victim is down 1.8, $1.7 million from these poker think like man, every time I go, these guys seem to Be reading my mind.

[G]

Yeah. One o' clock today and 2:30. I'm very interested to see what all comes out from what Sean said. Those are the times for Chauncey Billups and Terry Rogier. But it was clearly coordinated. I mean, if they all got arrested, that's morning. Like, this is very, very much like. Yeah, exactly. We got to get everybody and we gotta kind of make it public because this is an example. You kind of have to set an example with how serious it is and, you know, who knows what happens? We'll find out.

[E]

And that's why you assume that the hammer is going to drop. Because anytime there's like a coordinated thing like this where, you know, multiple people, they have a bunch of evidence. They, you know, they're like, you're not just going and knocking someone's door down at 6am and rest and reset for people. Unless you have your ducks in a row and you know, like, oh, okay, we got these guys.

[G]

Yeah, they're right.

[A]

Let's see. I know Seam's mentioned somebody's lawyer on there one time.

[E]

Malik Beasley, Beasley's lawyer.

[A]

But let's see, like when somebody else's lawyer comes out and stands like, stands in front of the camera and lets us know exactly.

[H]

I saw, I think it was Rosier's lawyer, Pablo Torre, reached out to them, got a statement from them, said that they're gonna fight this. So, yeah, they're. The lawyers are getting out there.

[A]

Well, you know, I think like we said, this is just the beginning of all of this stuff. It's just. It's been a wild morning just hearing all this happen. I can't imagine. I don't know how they kept it quiet. I don't know how they were able to. To coordinate this. And like Sean said, so last night, Seams had a pretty good idea something was coming, but he didn't know what. He didn't know who.

[G]

No, no.

[A]

Now, now we learn, okay? You know, you know, somebody else. A couple other guys that aren't here today. But I've filmed something and recorded something great that we didn't get to see yet.

[G]

Who's that?

[A]

You know what that is? Who? A couple, couple guys that used to hang out. Guy named AJ/AQ ship does in the Trenches. Darius J. Butler does everything. D.B. foxy. I think we got a nice little rendition of this. So try to pod that up. And here you go, guys.

[D]

Well, well, well. It is another incredible time of the week where we get a chance to see who are the fatsos that have been dominating better than the other big men on a football field. It is time to go in the trenches with the top five performing offensive lines out of week seven of the NFL season. With Aq Shipley, who's the number five offensive line coming out of week seven.

[A]

Wow. Oh, that.

[D]

New England Patriots.

[B]

Thank you, New England Patriots. I think everybody in this office is going to be happy with this top five all day. But let's start with the New England Patriots. Let's take a look here, the left side. Hunter Henry starts with him. They send him in short motion. Go back out, kick out. Look at the combo block.

[E]

Wow.

[B]

Look at the left side of the line. They revamped their line with two rookies, Campbell and Wilson, taking guys off the ball, creating big gaping holes.

[D]

Now iron Will Campbell got small arms. How's he able to do what he's doing?

[B]

It's unbelievable how these scouts always get it wrong with the short arms.

[D]

Not always get it wrong. There's certainly some short armed men who didn't make it in the NFL. Will Campbell is not one of those guys. He's a dog. He's a beast. What is it about this particular offense, maybe that sets this offensive lineup to have success? Or is it the offensive line that is setting up the offensive.

[B]

So let's start with the offensive line. Four or five new starters from a year ago. They bring in two rookies on the left side and they got Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbury coming in as veteran free agents. So those four have been fantastic pickups and they are very good at running the football. When they have a fullback, when they have two tight ends, when they do what Josh McDaniels did under Tom Brady.

[D]

Yeah, and the Josh McDaniels under Tom Brady. Okay, I understand what you're saying. You were a teammate of Tom Brady. You understand how it actually goes behind the scenes. Go ahead.

[G]

That would make sense. But also the one guy that AQ is mentioned, the four or five, the one guy that is returning from that offensive line, he got paid because of how good he was at right guard. Mike on whenu and we moved him last year to. We. I wasn't on the staff, but they moved him on. Yeah, I thought about to right tackle this year. He's back at right guard and he has been nails all season long. For you, aq, was there a difference in the looks that they got from, you know, Tennessee? Because a lot of people on the Internet, the coaches, myself included on the Internet were saying we. We of course were saying thank you. We're saying that like they were facing a lot of, you know, eight man boxes, seven man boxes. And in this play it's clearly a seven man box. But was there less of that? Because teams are starting to restrict respect. Drake May a little more.

[B]

There is less because they respect what he can do passing the football. But also Josh McDaniels, loves two tights, loves fullback. And what does that bring? D. But base defense. Yeah, all the time. So whenever you get base defense, you're gonna have seven or eight in the box. You're gonna have a safety down. You've all those things anytime you have two tights. But when they go in passing situations and now hand it off, it's clear. Six man boxes. They're not forcing Drake May to throw the ball.

[D]

Is this New England's first time on here?

[G]

This is their first time on here. And this is the first time all season that they've ran the ball this well. I think this is the first time they've gone over 100 yards.

[D]

All right, New England, we're back. That's rainbow football, baby.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

Who's the number four performing offensive line out of week seven of the NFL season? Wow.

[B]

The Chicago Bears, baby.

[G]

And they look good.

[B]

I put a tweet out about how this is exactly what Ben Johnson envisioned minus the quarterback. He still has got to pick up the pace a little bit, but let's start.

[D]

We don't need to dive into everything. You're saying you think Caleb's nowhere near where he can be in this offense?

[B]

I think if he continues to learn under Ben Johnson and get to the point where he's doing things on time in Ben's offense, instead of being a little frantic, a little panicky, rolling out right, rolling out left and kind of doing all these off schedule things, this offense can be just like Detroit was.

[D]

Okay, cannot wait to watch that. Now. The offensive line is obviously big time talking point. They invested in it.

[B]

They did. And their offensive line and the run game has been fantastic. But let's take a look. This is exactly what Ben Johnson used to do. We get a motion going across. Let's bring Loveland back across. Guess what? Don't block him. Just stiff arm. Get to the corner. This is the exact same play that the Atlanta Falcons ran a couple weeks ago with Vaughn Miller. If you guys remember, it's a copycat league.

[D]

Here it is a little whoopty woo to go ahead. Bait Von.

[B]

No, same thing. Stiff arm. Get out to the corner.

[I]

Got him.

[B]

And then you get the edge oh.

[D]

That'S a great play design. So people say, you know what? If you can do it, why not us do it? And Colson Loveland, rookie tight end, good pick here. Good, good blocking for him because they're, they're coming after him with the way Tyler Warren's.

[B]

I know, and I feel bad for him because. Exactly. That he gets drafted ahead of Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren's the best tight end in football right now.

[D]

Maybe the best player.

[B]

Yeah, might be the best player. And he's been fantastic. And then Colston Loveland starting to pick it up. He's starting to get some catches. He was good in the run game. He's doing a lot of really good things for them now.

[D]

And George Kittle, obviously known as blocking tight end. If you can, if you can block and not just be a weapon downfield, 2025 feels like it's going to be a good time for you as a tight end in the NFL.

[H]

Huge.

[B]

If you can block as a tight end, you have a job forever.

[I]

And he had to do it at Michigan. Oh, yeah, he was a phenomenal pass threat, which you didn't see a lot of that because of the passing game at Michigan for a lot of his time there. But yeah, he's a block.

[D]

What are they? 30 straight runs against JJ McCarthy. First round draft pick, quarterback, first round draft pick, tight end, obviously on the same field. Let's go. 35 straight runs.

[I]

Why?

[D]

Because they can't stop it. So let's just keep doing that. Let's just win the game and get out of here. Love the selflessness of that particular team. Go ahead, con man.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

When you say copycat league, I assume Ben Johnson isn't going back through the, you know, Internet or the plays of every single game. Are there coaches specifically or not coaches, but jobs specifically for, you know, people to bring plays to Ben Johnson or whoever that they can then maybe implement if they like them.

[B]

Oh yeah, there's people upstairs that are scouring the Internet. They are going on everybody's Internet. They're looking at film, they're doing everything and they're trying to find those plays. I remember when I was with Cliff, we would get plays and we'd get a one word play for the week and it'd be like Abilene. And it's like, why is it. Oh, we got this play from abilene Christian in 2017.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's some trick play that you had up for the week, but for them it probably just popped up on a similar opponent as they're Watching tape, it's like, oh, up. Put that in the archives. And then all of a sudden it's up.

[D]

Do we have the personnel to be able to do this? We do. Let's go to the number three, perform an offensive line. I mean, whoa.

[G]

Oh, nice, dude.

[D]

Top three. Yeah, this is good. Top three.

[B]

They're top five every week.

[D]

Congratulations.

[B]

Indianapolis Colts. They are the best offensive line in football.

[G]

Looks like.

[B]

But this, no, no. This is a week to week rankings. And for this week there were two groups that played better than their offensive line. That is not saying that they didn't play good because they did play good. And you will see exactly why on this play in particular. Let's look. This is called 11, trap 11 because we're going to the left. Odd number. Quinton Nelson and Raymond on the left side. Watch them bluff this detect. He falls down. You don't have to do anything.

[I]

Quit.

[B]

Nelson up at the left up in the next level. And then if you look, go back one more time. Look at the right side. Bortolini gets a cross.

[D]

Borlini. We didn't even bring that up when we were talking about spaghetti earlier.

[B]

Bortolini gets the crossface. He seals it. Braden Smith gets the cross face. He seals it. And then the biggest thing is they get the blitz up the field and that creates the big gaping hole out the back.

[D]

Sick celebration. I mean, he's got a good selling.

[G]

Yeah, yeah, very good.

[E]

Figured it out.

[D]

Very replicable, very dupable. And it looks cool every time. And with how fast he runs, it just kind of carries him.

[E]

Exactly. Gets right into it after he crosses the goal line.

[D]

Yeah, it doesn't look like it's too much. It feels like that was a good brainstorm session and it ended up in a great spot for him. He scored a lot of touchdowns. That's because the offensive lines.

[E]

That's the best in football.

[G]

Yeah, according to this.

[A]

He said the best though.

[G]

No, no, see that this week it looks like they're the third was 6 and 1.

[B]

Best team, best offensive line cumulative first season.

[G]

Third best leading Russian.

[B]

Most consistent offensive line this season, Utah.

[D]

Borlini, right to his face. He's third.

[B]

Borderline's been great. I know.

[G]

Is that right?

[D]

I know he has.

[B]

Quinton Nelson's been great. Both tackles been great.

[D]

What's wrong with the north left corner of this particular.

[B]

Well, there's two teams, third grade that had better performances amongst the offensive line this week.

[G]

Oh, you think Fortolini's a spaghetti guy?

[D]

No, I think he's A rigaton guy.

[A]

Justified.

[D]

He likes rolling, folks.

[G]

Tortellini, maybe.

[D]

Maybe tortellini. I mean, Borlin for torlini. He might just say, look at me, you know, the family, the entire thing. Yeah, he's great. He's been. Hey, grazie. Go for what you've been doing for us over here with the, you know, moot and the pepperoni and the brigid and everything they're doing here, which is obviously good. Number three offensive line coming out of week seven is the Indianapolis Colts. Who's the number two performing offensive line out of week seven? Wow.

[B]

Detroit Lions.

[F]

Okay.

[I]

Okay.

[B]

Hey, Foxy, before you let this thing run, let me just talk about why I loved this group. I watched this film yesterday, and as I took a look at this film, it reminded me of a nine on seven practice. You remember nine on seven? You remember nine on seven? Here's what gets lost in the sauce. Whenever you do nine on seven, you let your technique go out the window, and it just becomes an attitude game, right? Because you're just trying to win the.

[E]

The drill.

[B]

And whenever you're trying to win the drill, I'm coming off the ball harder. I might miss sometimes, but I'm trying to punch you in the mouth.

[G]

Strange.

[B]

They knew who was coming into town. It was Tampa Bay, right? It was Vita Vea. It was all the boys trying to punch you in the mouth. This was like a 9 on 7 game. And they also had some really good plays in the technique. And you guys all remember this play from the other night. Let's take a look. So look, two double teams at the point of attack. That's called duo.

[G]

There it is.

[B]

Two double teams. Let's watch them get hip to hip. Cover these guys up. Get up on Levante David.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

The running back sets up the block, and then.

[G]

See ya.

[D]

That's Sonic.

[G]

See ya.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

That's Sonic. So see ya.

[B]

I mean, that's so good.

[I]

It's got to be fun.

[G]

I mean, look at Cleve Raymond, too, just sticking his nose in there.

[B]

C gap. Insert.

[D]

Incredible. Back to the beginning again. Penny Soul celebrating this down the field is awesome. I mean, just the moxie of the. In the midnight blue. What are these?

[G]

The.

[D]

The Motor City muscle. Oh, great unis. Great unis. And the number 0 looks really cool, doesn't it, AQ? So you think that's why he's running a little bit better? And maybe they're blocking a little bit better.

[B]

I mean, he's running 25 miles an hour. He sets up both safeties. Phil, outside he just hits at 100 miles an hour right up the A gap. It was incredible.

[D]

Yeah, maybe they did have a pretty good little weekend. I guess somebody's gonna have to be stupendous to be one performing offensive line in the Week 7 of the NFL season. Who would that be?

[B]

That'd be the San Francisco 49ers. That's 175 yards rushing. Christian McAffrey was back. This is his best rushing performance since the year 2023.

[D]

Wow. That was just a couple years ago because we're currently in the year 2025 now. Whenever you think about this Niners team, you think about them having a tough offense. You think about them having an incredible run game. This has been the first time they've been number one in some time. Now, is that because KD's back or what did you see this week?

[B]

It's everything to do with 44 and 85. I'm telling you, their offensive line plays better. It sets it up for the scheme that they want to do this play right here. We're going to get power down, we're going to motion across, get the tight end at the point of attack. Use check downhill, old school power. Boom, boom. Everyone washes down. Look at Kittle. He's the home run block. He's the home run block on the backside. If you watch him climb, he gets up to Jesse Bates. Watch this because Jesse Bates, if you slack it on, look at him get skinny, get inside leverage and give him another five or six yards.

[D]

I think I was looking at another white tight end.

[B]

4 left, 4 left, 4 left, 4 Left.

[D]

89 the whole time. Linebacker good block by 89 as well. George Kittle getting up there also. Fantastic.

[B]

Incredible.

[D]

They got good fundamentals. And what'd you say about their practice drills?

[B]

So whenever they like. So for instance, BA if he runs blitz drill, it's going to be. 9 out of 10 of the plays are going to be pass plays. If it's Kyle Shanahan, it's a blitz drill. They're still getting eight runs in because they are constantly running that run game. Everything is off of the run game.

[A]

The reps go on and on and.

[G]

On and on and on and on and on and on and on and.

[A]

On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and.

[G]

On and on and on. Is that it?

[E]

Well, some days, I mean, they just.

[A]

They go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. And on and on and on and on and on.

[G]

You guys know, I mean, people say this bit, potentially. Yeah.

[E]

This bit. My. My voice. I don't know how much it can.

[G]

Last, but if I had to guess.

[E]

It could probably go on and on.

[A]

And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

[D]

And hopefully this seg right here will.

[E]

Continue to go on and on and.

[A]

On and on and on and on.

[D]

And on and on and streak of the Indianapolis Colts ending up in the top five and not being number one shall continue. I guess in AQ Shipley's mind, that's in the trenches of AQ Shipley. And you know what? Sometimes you get in the middle of a second, you think, man, I wish this went all day. I wish it kind of went on.

[A]

And on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

[G]

And on and on and on and.

[A]

On and on on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

[G]

I sure do.

[D]

How's it feel?

[E]

I was passed out during that.

[D]

Kind of.

[G]

Just find.

[I]

Found a.

[G]

You know, find it.

[E]

Yeah, I went mock 10 there for a little bit. Shout out.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

Miss you, Bob. Yeah.

[D]

Thank you for your service and great golf clubs. We appreciate you over there. PXG and your accent is fantastic as well. And if that segment would have went.

[G]

No, we wouldn't have been a short one.

[D]

We wouldn't have been able to get to. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everything. DB Good deep, bad D with Darius J. Bob.

[G]

Sir.

[I]

Hey, before we get to the plays and the teams and the defenses that are on there, there is one omission this week. The Cleveland Browns. I know I'm going to get some. Texas. They beat the. Out of the Dolphins, obviously, too. It looked bad. It just wasn't a lot of teaching moments from those plays. Just very, very stinky. But shout out Tyson Campbell, the pig sick Hickman. And who else got a pick in that game? Rayshawn Jenkins as well. But let's get to the team.

[D]

So this is like when. This is like when they were judging party schools back whenever we were in school, and they're like, west Virginia is a professional party school. We will not judge them amongst the others. Here is the top 25. You're saying, hey, like, Cleveland Browns, you guys embarrassed the entire M. Dolphin.

[G]

I mean, it just.

[I]

And I mean, two is, you know, two of Mike McDaniel dolphins, they've been buried every.

[D]

Yeah, but Cleveland Brown, certainly.

[G]

Yeah, Browns, likewise.

[A]

Good defense.

[I]

Very good defense.

[D]

Okay. So congrats to them.

[I]

Congrats.

[A]

Congrats to Bronson in the league of their own.

[E]

Way to go.

[A]

Bronze this week. This week. Yeah.

[I]

But let's get to the tape. Some teaching moments from around the league, starting with the Carolina Panthers. Now missing the quarterback. This defense, you talk about complimentary football defense. Derrick Brown, he's been dominant as far as being an interior defensive lineman. And then J.C. horn, one of the corners that got paid this all season. He's been phenomenal since stepping into the league. The only thing that you would say about J.C. horn, hey, you need some more ball production and just staying healthy. And you're seeing more and more of that this year. This is his second time, I believe, on everything. Db. This is a cover six look. So at the bottom of the screen.

[B]

Yep.

[I]

JC Horn is up there, up top and on bottom of the screen. This is cover 2. And then on the other side it'll be cover 4. Hence why we get the COVID 6. So quarters technique. He's outside leverage. You'll watch his safety. This is a Route 2 beat quarters, boom. Safety settles down and then you got outside leverage from the cornerback post. Route boom. When you are, when you're behind, we call that out of phase. You're not taught to look back for the ball, but once you get kind of towards that end zone, you really got nothing to lose. This is what you call not panicking. Not just running into the receiver, getting the PI going up high, pointing this thing with hand. It's the second time you've been on here not only getting an interception, but getting a one hander. This was absolutely nasty. Tyrod Taylor, T mobile. We'll see if he starts this week for the Jets. At least he was taking a shot down the field. But a phenomenal play from J.C. horn from outside, leveraging quarters coverage up top.

[D]

As Aaron Glenn said earlier in the week, the jets will have a quarterback. The Carolina Panthers have a team.

[I]

Yes. This is how many wins the roll now?

[C]

Four.

[I]

Three, I think three. Yeah, three. They lost. They got the shit. Beat out by the Patriots, I believe. Got a win, then lost to the Patriots. It off three straight. The run game, which we know has been great. And then defensively they've been great as well. Once again, we'll see what happens at the quarterback position. This is his second pick in this game. Now you should never go to this matchup. Reynolds on the outside. Casey, this is a practice rep. This is something you practice at one on ones. Hey, DB versus db. Usually don't see it this easy in the game, but yeah, press out, he goes outside, gets his head around high points and leaning locates. Just absolute textbook.

[D]

That's coach throwing that ball.

[I]

Exactly. You've seen you.

[D]

I've actually thrown that ball.

[G]

Yeah.

[I]

You've seen this drill. This is literally what this is. I don't know what T mobile was thinking at this point in the game going at that matchup one on one. The safety was completely on the other side of the field because you have a 25 million dollar a year cornerback and this is why you have them.

[D]

J.C. horn making plays. Go ahead con man.

[G]

For to Deepa's point about just their, you know, record as of recently, this is their first road win. Like their splits between road and home are insane. They're dominant at home and now it's Buffalo who has had trouble stopping the run. Going to Carolina with Andy Dalton and then Rico Dowdell and Chuba Hubbard now back for a second game. Like that's a sneaky Bills at Panthers. You see it and you hear it and you're like whatever. But then when you, when you realize the Panthers are a good football team, it's a tough game and we have.

[D]

To know Connor's certainly hoping for one of those as well.

[G]

But, but I'm also with. With the full expectation that the Bills are the Bills and Josh Allen, MVP of this.

[D]

Well, you start snooping around a Carolina team though, you're like good team. Wait a minute. There's a chance here for the Patriots at the moment, the Patriots very close to being number one seed in the afc.

[F]

Rad.

[D]

That's right.

[G]

On your heels. On your heels. Can you hear us coming? Can you hear us? We're coming.

[D]

Danny can't hear anything actually. Have you seen any. He's locked in 1000%. There is no noise outside other than a nice little Halloween party with the pastries and boys, have a little beer. Go ahead to some more good demon.

[I]

Here we go. Next. Hey, speaking of the boys.

[G]

Hey.

[I]

My coach, Luanna Roman, his defense, they have been phenomenal. Now Nick Cross will get this interception here. You'll see it better from the replay. Pause it real quick. I want you. So they're going to motion the four strong but number three receiver right now. Right there, right on the hatch. That's lad McConkey going to double him. So I think this, that's where Justin's going to want to Go with this ball. He's going to get doubled from the opposite side of the field. That's safety that's on this hash down here. He's going to come and take that short one away and then Justin Herbert is going to go to the crosser right here. Third and seven, 23 games. They could. They get a touchdown here. They cut it down to a two possession game. But Nick Cross makes a great play, turning around, looking him up, then getting his head around last second, kind of one hand pick, trapping it against the shoulder. You'll get a closer look at it here. Boom. Unbelievable play right here, especially in the end zone. Anytime you get an interception where either you're setting your offense up in the scoring position or on the flip side of that, when the other offense is a big swing in points and momentum, the other offense is threatening to drive to get a point. Where point points in the game. That's a big time interception. Getting his head around there, not panicking, not just getting a PI, but getting your head around and making a play on the balls. You pause it here, like run it back to the beginning. He kind of makes it look like he's running with Lad. Then he drops Lad to the double coverage and then turns around on Quentin Johnston here. So that's a great play from Nick. Nick Cross from beginning to end.

[D]

Tell me a little bit more about Nick Cross. He gets sacks. He's all over the. This guy's everywhere.

[I]

Unbelievable. I believe he was a second round pick out of Maryland. Career kind of started off rough after his first, maybe second year. They're ready to run him out of town, honestly. But he leading the league, I mean leading the team in tackles right now going into this week's game. And then he's just been a playmaker. He can blitz, he can show up in the run game. And then if he can add this element to his game as well, getting ball production, he could play in the league for a long, long time and make a ton of money. But Luke, you talk about what Lou Anaroma is doing and what his scheme is like. Imagine this as a quarterback, especially in that low rich red area.

[D]

We drafted him 20, 22, third round.

[I]

Out of third round.

[D]

He's been here now and he is really exploding. Yeah, he, he is everywhere. Yeah, 20 is actually everywhere. I like this little. He, he baited butter right here. He baited butter right here and then does a walking spin move while covering a guy and then the ball's on him and has incredible. And then he'll blitz just like, the next play and run his face right through somebody. I'm a big fan of Nick Cross.

[G]

Yeah. It's insane that those are the, you know, first two plays on everything. Db, just like the IQ of JC Horn and Cross there. But we talk about middle eight all the time. Like, this is a. Not just a, you know, interception. This is the two minute warning. They. They don't get any points. And then the Colts go and kick a field goal. It's like that. That's not the play of the game. You know, when you look back on it. But then looking at it right now, 20 to 3, possibly 20 to 10, and it ends up being 23 to 3.

[D]

I forgot we didn't bring that up to JJ. He did not like us going for.

[A]

A field goal rating at all.

[D]

Yo, J. It's 20 to 3, J. Let's just fucking. We're trying to make sure this the last drive.

[A]

Yeah, I don't like these decisions.

[D]

I was texting him in the middle of the game. I'm like, yo, it was third down. What do you want them to do? If we could give them the ball back, they potentially score again. He's. I. It was before that, and then like, afterwards, he's like, what are they doing in 13 seconds? Why are they doing that? It's like, okay, that decision we can certainly get after. But it's like everything Steichen's doing right now, all three phases, it's all working Like, Lou Anarumo has been perfect for this team. Special teams don't really have to do much, but they do somehow. We get massive return whenever we need it, if we have to have it. And then on offense, offensively, JJ said, we're always on schedule. It's like, I'm not questioning anything, jh, so when you're calling this Colts game next time, jj, just know Shane's got figured out.

[I]

That's probably why he was questioning, because we were cooking with gas on offense. And I'm sure watching them on tape and then coming in, seeing what they're doing, then getting the ball two minutes left. I'm not sure how many timeouts, but from like, the first play you saw, okay, it was no sense of urgency and they did get down there. But then Shane, at his halftime interview, you think he said, like, look, we just wanted this to be the last possession in the game before heading in the halftime.

[A]

So, you know, we don't doubt Shane.

[D]

Shane was saying, look, Dag Namat.

[E]

Yeah, Gracious Pete. What do you want me to do.

[D]

All those Things, you know, he's great, Mike.

[H]

Doug.

[E]

Oh, yeah, he is.

[A]

Explain that to me.

[D]

Oh, look, it's gonna be a touchdown. Look at this, look at this, look at this. Look, it's gonna be a touchdown.

[E]

Touchdown right here.

[D]

And what if it's not? They don't really show if it's not. All right, next place, what's the next touchdown?

[G]

Got that cut.

[D]

That's one's gonna be a touchdown. Everybody, look at this. I love his optimism. I love his energy. I love how it's working. Alex, go to some more.

[G]

Good deal.

[I]

Talking about optimism, energy, and somebody else. That's great. Miked up Kelvin shepherd had these boys rolling in prime time against the Tampa Bay Bucks 14, 0, right here. Now, you've seen this replay a lot, seen this, talked about a lot. You talk about the middle eight again. This is two minute. I mean, yeah, two minute situation. Second quarter, 152 on the clock. And honestly, Baker Mayfield, he dropped and threw the ball, dropped back and threw the ball a ton this game. But he was. Was so hesitant. Like, I haven't seen him this hesitant. I don't know how long, but that lets you know how confusing probably his defense was to him. You'll see if you run it back. This is the beginning of the frame. You'll see the skies here. Maybe man to man coverage. You look at that top safety, then once he gets the snap and drops back, they go to a split, split safety coverage. And you can see Baker's not really, I guess, confident or comfortable because if he steps up, he can kind of hit this number one receiver right behind this underneath dropper. But Arthur Millett right here, who's surfing, he does a great job. As a zone defender, especially underneath zone defender, you're taught to break on the quarterback's intention. So you break on their eyes and you break on their intentions. And he does a great job. And he showed up with physicality, attacking the football. And 99 times out of 100, if it's considered a tie or two, guys go to the ground with the ball, they're going to give the tie to the offense. This was probably the first time I ever seen this overturned. But then on review, when I'm looking at it, what.

[D]

Or is that a second look?

[I]

I mean, if you pause it here. Yeah. With a second look, like it looks like Otten's holding on to a bunch of forearm and Arthur Millette has a lot more of the football. So I wasn't, you know, maybe it's the former DB in me, maybe it's me rooting for Kelvin Shepard. But I saw this as an interception as well. This got overturned from New York.

[D]

I did as well. I saw it as an interception as well. But to your point about Ty goes to the runner, that's always kind of the case here in these particular types of plays. So they overturn this, give this to Detroit and then they do a second look on a first down that goes into. Are you guys. Yeah. I mean there was also a sack where our guy tripped the quarterback and they didn't call it. Yeah, there was a couple things here that.

[G]

You know what?

[D]

We're just going to take those because what comes around goes around. And also that was called a catch on the field. That. That blew my mind more that they reversed it. I just figured they would just say, yep, it was a catch on the field. We have no evidence we're going to keep it moving. But instead the ref said, oh, we got you in the Chiefs game. Here you go, Lions.

[H]

Oh, that football.

[E]

Remember?

[G]

Yeah.

[D]

Is that what they said? Is that what they said? I don't think that's the case. I. I think that maybe. Maybe New York wants Detroit to win.

[E]

New darlings of the NFL.

[D]

Yeah, maybe the Lions fans can never ever say anything ever again about the ref now.

[G]

Disgusting.

[A]

Ever.

[D]

Never again.

[I]

Ever.

[D]

Not on this one, though. Next hundred years. Because it was a prime time game. Prime time game. A lot of injuries needed the MVP against. Against best team football. People were saying, any Indianapolis Colts, it's prime time. They give that one to the Detroit after a second look. What?

[E]

Never heard that.

[D]

How many looks are we doing here? Well, he challenged something else, but he gets. What are we then? Lions fans. Hey, it must be nice. Must be nice. We're gonna take him anytime. And also I like that everyone agreed like watching that play. It looked like an interception and then they called it an interception. I enjoy that aspect. Yeah, we certainly like that. I would like that to be known that we like the common sense rain. True here. But also a lot of comm. Common sense situations happening for the Lions all of a sudden.

[B]

Not to bring up another fourth down. Questionable call by the refs.

[G]

But that little option play. Yeah, that.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I don't know if he got the first there. It's kind of out of bound.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[D]

And you said they.

[E]

Didn'T look at.

[D]

Wow. That was a.

[E]

The first pushed him over, it looked like.

[G]

But now all of a sudden I'm thinking we need to go back and look at that play.

[D]

Yeah. What's going on with the refs in New York is a Tampa Bay buccaneer.

[G]

No, no, no, no, no.

[D]

The Detroit Lions getting favorable calls. We need about 10,000 more calls to make it even. Oh, never going to be good enough. It's never going to be enough. NFL.

[G]

Detroit Lions. More like Detroit Lion.

[A]

The Lion Lions.

[D]

Wow, that does sound like there's some lies coming out of the Lions fan base. If they don't think that maybe the NFL is on their side, we don't want to hear it anymore. NFL, we'd like to let you know, if you just gave the Colts a bunch of calls, we'd be okay with it.

[I]

Absolutely.

[D]

We'd be thankful for it, we'd acknowledge it. And we wouldn't say you need 10,000 more to make up for what you've.

[A]

Done in the past.

[D]

We'd say it's a. Okay. Do we have more good D or bad?

[I]

Absolutely. We still got some more good D over here. Pause. Here we go down at the bottom of the screen. Vikings versus the Eagles. This is the rookie Andrew Macuba. This is his second time, I believe on EverythingDB. If you pause it right here. Boom, boom. Who we circling? One of the best, if not the best wide receiver in football with Justin Jefferson. They're going to run a cover two over Justin Jefferson, but I want you to watch as this play, develop the safety because obviously he's focused on 18 to start. You will let it run here. This is the Carson Wentz interception that we've seen earlier in the week, but we'll see a little deeper dive into it. So Paul's great job by the cornerback and the safety being over top of Justin Jefferson. But once the quarterback breaks the pocket, he's going to throw it to this receiver, I believe Jordan Addison running all the way across the field. And if Makuba doesn't get back, spin around and look for work and make this play. He honestly probably catches this ball running away from Mitchell. So great play. Great heads up play by the rookie. Not only being aware of it, but going up there and making a play on the football.

[D]

I like that Vic Fangio. Isn't Fangio over?

[E]

No kidding.

[D]

I like that they still got all the dogs because remember it was Joe Bolver down there for Fangiolver with the Miami Dolphins and maybe it's just Joe Bolver for everybody down there at the Miami Dolphins and Vic Fangio celebrating a new life up there in Philadelphia. A lot of communication.

[I]

Yeah. If you run it back right here, I was just going to point it out. And this is Something that, you know, the common watcher may not see or pay attention to. But if you run it all the way back. The thing about playing the nickel position, Cooper Dean is in the slot is communication. The verbal and nonverbal communication. So there's pointing. I'm sure there's some talking going on with the pointing as well. A lot of point. Boom, boom. Maybe let him know something, then let it play and watch 33 again. Because you think, why you throw it down there? Pause it. It's back about three clicks. If you just watch 33 underneath as a slot defender, as a underneath dropper is not only about looking up the receiver. I talked about being his own defender. It's about the intentions and the eyes on the quarterback. So he just feels this receiver behind him, let it run. Boom, Feels him. Nobody's open short. Jefferson's cover, obviously. Naylor's cover. You just throw it down deep.

[A]

Carson.

[I]

Yeah. He doesn't see. He doesn't think. He's Carson Wentz experience for sure. He doesn't think by any chance that Makuba is going to get back to that place. So great job. And obviously you'll see from the TV replay that, you know, Carson was, you know, he's pretty bummed out.

[G]

I mean, how does Coop like. It's Cooper DeJean, right? You said.

[I]

Yep.

[G]

The legs are mirrored and he's not even looking at the guy when he turns and pivots. That is.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

Ridiculous. I don't even know how the hell you can feel that.

[A]

Just a feel.

[I]

Yeah.

[B]

Like right.

[G]

Right here. Ready?

[I]

Yep. Just feel.

[G]

He goes. He goes. Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[G]

Left. Right, because. And then stops.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Just like Carson, I think.

[G]

Right, Exactly.

[I]

Yeah. Bring the attention to the quarterback. As soon as he breaks that pocket, you know, it kind of turns into a scramble drill sometimes, but as that underneath the fender, you just feel it.

[G]

One, two, three.

[I]

Yeah, you feel him.

[G]

It's insane.

[A]

Yeah, well.

[D]

And also that's why the no look is so impressive.

[G]

Yeah.

[D]

Because if you just get him a Cooper a little bit off and then you throw that thing back, all of a sudden, that's a completion instead. I don't think he's open. Hell, there's a guy way. Oh. Down there. Let me hawk this thing. I'm Carson Wentz. And that's fun. We're appreciative of him doing that. Do we have more good deeds?

[I]

Nope, that's all the good D. So now we gotta go badly. Sorry, Skull fans. Vikings are still on here. Cover two. And something that we're kind of seeing week in and week out on the bad D, some inverted cover two. So all that means is that the safety or the linebacker, somebody else becomes the flat defender, which is usually number two. Down here they are usually a fat. They are playing usually the flat as the db as a corner, but now they go back to be the deep half defender as a cornerback. Now can they do it? Absolutely. But it's something that safeties do down in and down out, week in and week out. But now you're putting that on the cornerback. So now in the deep half number one receiver, which Devontae Smith is down here, you always want to be inside of the number one receiver if you're a deep half. So he's already in a bad spot here and he also, he doesn't have the depth. So what happens when you don't have the depth is you kind of panic. Because that receiver, obviously these boys can run. They get up on you quick. So boom. Does a great job stemming him even more outside, gets him to flip his hips and it runs a great route and obviously play action under center. You saw a little bit more of that from Jalen Hurts and the Eagles offense, even though they didn't run the ball well. So great, great ball. Deep ball from Jalen Hurts. But yeah, he put him in. I mean, that's a great, great route because if he just lines up, if these two guys just line up and race. Isaiah Rodgers, one of the fastest players in the league. But when you set him up like that and have him hit that spinner roo and then obviously a quarterback throws a dot, one of the best, I think deep ball throwers in the league, when he could just get back there and throw it to 6 or 11. Jalen hurts when he's playing ball. Perfect passer rating this week. Just a great job job by not only quarterback, but the receiver right here.

[D]

Setting them up a little bit of a blender. Okay? That's not a good place to be. Very helpless and hopeless. And if that's what the offense is going to look like for Philadelphia going forward, they might go back to back to back and maybe everybody will be happy.

[I]

Absolutely.

[D]

We got some more bad.

[I]

One more, one more.

[G]

It's the same thing.

[D]

It's big D giving some bad D commanders.

[I]

It's the same thing. So right here at the bottom of the screen, you got Marshawn Latimore. He's going to become the deep half safety. So once again, inverted cover two. But this safety, he's not going to be the flat defend he's going to be the middle run through, which is usually the mike linebacker here. So he's going to be responsible for CD Lamb up to the left side of the formation if you're looking at it defensively. And he's going to drop that middle read. Boom. So you let it run here, running with the middle read. Boom. Now I drop it and I go to the dig dagger concept we see this week in and week out. CD Lamb sees that he gets dropped. He knows it's not a middle of the field safety. He just throws his hand up. Dak, Dak, throw me the ball. He sees him. Marshawn takes a bad angle. Because once again, as a cornerback, as good as Marshawn is as a corner, that's something that safeties usually do. Angles are everything as a db, offensive lineman as well. So if you're playing out of position, it's tough. And he actually knocks off the other db, the other safety, and then these boys walking backpedaling into the end zone. But great job by Dak seeing him. And he's bummed out because he was in position to make this play, but he took a bad angle eagle and it turned into a touchdown. That's the life of dbl.

[D]

Yeah, that is tough. And obviously we all saw that play. I'm excited to learn why and how we got there. Well, congrats to the Dallas Cowboys. Seemingly on firing on all cylinders. They really, it looks like vibes are immaculate. Yeah. There for the Dallas Cowboys. Good for them. They got a lot of talent on the offense side, defense side. Obviously it's thing. How about the good day and bad day from everything? All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna do a magic trick. Watch this. I'm gonna go ahead and snap my fingers and all of a sudden a different human's gonna to be sitting right here.

[G]

What?

[D]

Yeah. Have you ever seen something like this?

[G]

Never. No.

[D]

Well, you're going to disappear too.

[E]

Whoa.

[G]

What?

[D]

How?

[E]

Hold on.

[B]

Should we do it at the same time?

[A]

Just.

[D]

It's my trick, not yours.

[C]

Just sit there and shut up.

[D]

Okay. Guess what, bro, you're disappearing too. Okay, I'm going to snap my fingers and you three, myself include us three are going to be gone and there's going to be a new person sitting right here. Do you think that's possible?

[F]

Yep.

[D]

Thank you, Aiku.

[I]

What about sitting there?

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

Who's sitting there?

[D]

Brand new person. Yeah.

[G]

Spooky, man.

[D]

Do you believe it? It's possible.

[I]

Well, I've seen magic on the stage before, so.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

Michael Malone One of the goats boys.

[D]

In front of you right now. There's about to be some fucking magic. There's about to be something that you're gonna talk about forever. I'm sitting in this seat right now, but as soon as I snap these fingers, there's gonna be a brand new person sitting here. Foxy, if you would go to the straight on shot, that would be what we are looking for, ladies and gentlemen. In three, two. And.

[A]

It is magic. It is magic, right?

[D]

I mean, look at that.

[A]

I had no idea it would work out that well. And here we go. I just.

[E]

Boom.

[A]

Rose from the ashes. Here it is.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Big game, guys. Hey, Good D, bad D. In the trenches with AQ Shipley. Darius J. Butler. I love watching those segments. I don't know about you guys. I actually, every time I learn a lot and it actually. Actually it brings up like 15 questions every time. I wish I was there to. To badger them throughout their whole situation because we know nothing stops a ram truck right now.

[G]

We see.

[A]

Oh, l rap up there. What's it sound like?

[G]

Comment.

[A]

And with that being said, we got a big game tonight, obviously. Vikings, Chargers. Tone, where is the money at tonight?

[H]

The money tonight is on The Vikings, actually. Plus or. Sorry, the 56% of the money is on the Vikings tonight. Tonight they are plus three and a half or plus three at some places. As far as the line goes, a couple stats for you tonight. Okay. I don't know if this is gonna love stats. I don't know if this is gonna deter you or. Or favor any way that you're going tonight. Carson Wentz. Wentzaholic. The Wentz machine.

[A]

Yeah, we got him.

[E]

The wentz project, huh?

[H]

Okay. 70 on Thursday night Football.

[A]

Wow.

[H]

Is that.

[E]

Is that good?

[H]

Hold on the. Though we got a bit of an immovable object versus the unstoppable force tonight. The Vikings on Thursday Night Football. Owen 7.

[G]

Jeez, what do we do?

[A]

What are we supposed to do?

[H]

That's up to you, brother.

[A]

What are you going to do?

[H]

I don't know yet, Carson, that those.

[A]

Are what they would call a trend, right?

[G]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But double negative. It makes it a positive.

[E]

Bingo.

[G]

But there's a.

[H]

We flatline at zero on this one. So they cancel each other out. So you just got to look at the football.

[A]

Got trust my instincts.

[G]

Okay? And that's when you go to the other side. Jim Harbaugh, I believe, is four and oh, on short weeks, he's four and oh. I don't know if it's on Thursday Night Football. If it's on like a Sunday and then to Monday. Yeah, here it is. The Chargers are 4 and oh. Against the spread on short rest under Jim Harbaugh now. Short rest, I don't know, but this definitely would be short rest. So maybe that. That's kind of the one that puts it over the goal line, per se. I'm not too sure. But I do know Big Mike McCarthy, who's not on today, he's on tomorrow. He will send us his pick before the end of the show as well.

[A]

So before the end of the show today, we will know Big Mike's pick.

[G]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Because that definitely informs me on where I'm going to go because of Big Mike and his football prowess. I believe if he was picking games, he would be like six and one now or something.

[G]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Something crazy, I think.

[G]

Yeah.

[E]

Pittsburgh guy, you know, had a goal with his.

[A]

Gotta go back home, right? Yeah. Gotta go back home. Wanna be nice.

[H]

It could be a good night for.

[I]

The green of gold.

[A]

Yeah, we got hard out here coming here, shorty. But we got Kirk Herbstreet joining us in the next hour, about 1:20, I believe he'll preview the game. I know he's out there. I think he has a pack of wild dogs with him.

[E]

Really?

[A]

Maybe not wild, but I think Peter, Mitch, Jimmy Bob, I think everybody's there. D is there? I don't know. But you know what? Take three. We'll be right back, everybody.

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Hey, fans, welcome back to fansville's cheers and tears.

[A]

Okay, so like everybody deals with Losing right. To a rival and a last second field goal. Whatever.

[F]

It's fine.

[A]

I'm totally fine.

[G]

But I cope with losing with an.

[D]

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[G]

They totally wash away the pain of.

[C]

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[G]

Team taking a big fat L. College football.

[A]

It's a pepper thing. Thursday, October 23rd. I am AJ Hawk, sitting in for Pat. He's out on special assignment today. Sean's joined us the first hour. Kirk will be joining us. The second. Football. It always rules the day here around the Pat McAfee Show. We love football at all different levels, but we also love the other sports that are going on. And we know con man. Last night, I believe the association had a pretty big night, didn't they? Yeah, it was a fantastic for basketball fans.

[G]

Yeah. Fantastic night for the NBA Last night. Nick's Cavs kind of kicked us off on espn. Nick's Carl Anthony Towns? Doubtful. Then he was playing. Then he wasn't. He played great. They took care of business.

[A]

What was wrong with him?

[B]

He.

[H]

He had a.

[G]

Was it groin or knee? Bruce, I'm not quad.

[F]

He was questionable with a grade two quad.

[A]

Game one.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Like a warrior.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

Between the knee and groin. I knew it was somewhere in there, but, yeah, they played very well. 76 or Celtics. Celtics without Tatum. They put up a fight. But the rookie who stole the show right there on the second tab. VJ Edgecomb, 34 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 assists to kind of, you know, steal the night. When it comes to rookie performances, he was amazing. Him and Tyrese Maxey seemed to be the new duo on the Sixers. Embiid only played about 20 minutes. He really didn't have. Have too much of effect on the game, but, yeah, this kid is unbelievable. We. We are possibly looking at kind of a new look. Sixers with two of the better, you know, players in the backcourt. And I'm saying two of the better players. It's been one game. I know I'll relax a little bit, but just from watching it, this kid is unbelievable. And 77 on a rookie. I. I thought it looked like sh.

[A]

Awesome, actually.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah. Really liking it. Then he starts playing and it's like, oh, 77 on a rookie basketball player's incredible. So definitely someone to watch as we look forward to. But the. The player to watch is Wemby. And Cooper Flag had a double double in his debut. Kind of awesome. I believe he's the youngest player with a double w double double in the history of the NBA. But wemby I mean, this is, this is entering not fair territory. If Wemby stays healthy, he will be just a historic winning all the awards player. It looks like he's dunking on an eight foot rim. The real problem is he's not lumbering up and down the, up and down the court. He's actually sprinting. I mean. Yeah, pump fake pass right back. Yeah, try and block me. You can't. He had 40 points, 15 rebounds and an assist. I believe he was 15 to 21 from the field, 9 of 11 from free throws. I mean, it just wasn't fair. He's doing stuff that 7 foot 4, right? 7 foot 4 list. A lot of people are saying he's 77 now. Bo Bond, Bond, who's on ESPN, he said, hey look, I'm 7 4. I'm looking up at WEMBY. So he's not 7 4. He went, he went bananas. Cooper flag. Obviously a story, but with what Wemby did, it's, it's hard to imagine the spurs not being, you know, a 50 win team and being a real player here if Wemby stays healthy. But again, you look at his injuries, he, he didn't have a soft tissue injury last year as a blood clot. So, so saying that, well, he doesn't, he can't stay healthy. He gets these injuries. That's not true. But. Yeah, like that dunk right there.

[E]

Well, I was just gonna say that. Up and under. He's got to watch that. He's so damn big he's gonna get.

[G]

Called for a travel.

[E]

Yeah, he's not even trying to. He's jumping, but his feet are going to be on the ground on that up and under. But it is, he's it.

[A]

I mean, all this ball handling and step back threes. Like I, I mean, I know that one, that one went around.

[E]

It's like you're watching a different sport when you watch him play.

[A]

It's like you're watching a different species.

[E]

That's a better way to put it.

[G]

Yeah, and Bruce made a great point like you really can't, can't contest his shots because if you do because of how big he is, he's going to land much, much further in front of the three point line and he's going to get AM ones just like that. But, but even stuff like this, you know, we're, we're talking about the Mavericks, okay? Anthony Davis has won defensive player of the year and he, he really can't do anything. And he's one of those players that everyone Says AD can cover anybody. Yeah, Wemby is, is legitimately a foot taller than Anthony Davis. Or at least that's how it looks like. Anthony Davis can't jump with Wemby because if he does, all of a sudden you know he is going to foul him. And guess what? Wemby is going to dunk the ball. There it is on the bottom there. He's the first player to score 40:15 with at least 75% shooting and zero turnovers in a game since turnovers were ever tracked. I don't know when that started. Probably after Michael Jordan, but still.

[B]

Whoa, whoa.

[G]

That's true, that's true. But Wemby is just, just an absolute specimen. It's one of those things where I. I hope there's 50 prime time San Antonio.

[H]

His. His MVP odds yesterday went from anywhere. They're anywhere from like plus 950 to plus 1250. I saw which is if you don't know it's $100 to win, $900 to win 1200. They went from that to plus 300. He is now the second in the MVP odds only behind SGA.

[A]

Are they gonna. I know Conor mentioned what 50 win. Like are they going to be able to make a run in the playoffs? Are they a solid basketball team?

[H]

Yeah, it. They have Castle who was rookie of the year. They had back to back rookies of the year so that was pretty good for them. They traded for Dear and Fox last year. He did not play last.

[A]

New coach is getting great pub too miked up. Right.

[H]

And then they got. Who's the rookie? They got Ron Harper kid. Yeah, Ron Harper's kid. Like like yeah, they're gonna. They're a good basketball team.

[G]

Yeah. Ron Harper's kid came off the bench at 15 points.

[H]

Harrison Barnes.

[G]

Yeah. Like they are all of a sudden and not all of a sudden because it's kind of been like this with Wemby for a few years now where it's like hey, just one weight. This kid is going to be unbelievable. And now this is what happens. He starts the season with 40 and 15 against a multi defensive part of the year, Anthony Davis. So it's seriously one of those same situations. Like hey if they are healthy they are going to be unbelievable this year.

[E]

They're one of these teams parentally too who like if they're good around the trade deadline like you find one superstar who's unhappy somewhere like they'll be brought up in conversation because it's like hey, they have Wemb be he's healthy. Like if we can get a little more scoring or whatever it is they need at that point. Like, they can be legitimate title contenders.

[G]

Yeah. And I saw people on the Internet saying LeBron going there would be cool. When I say people, I was just talking about me. I'm really hoping LeBron goes there just because the spurs are one of those teams. It's. It's very similar to the Packers. Like, they're kind of the packers of the NBA. They're always good. Even when they lose legends, they. They have. Have a next guy up. Now. I don't want to go into detail about how the spurs got the number one pick when. When Wemby was the number one prospect and they've gotten three Slaughtery.

[A]

Right. The balls come out of the machine.

[H]

Listen, the NBA has gone through too much.

[G]

Yeah, you're right. But Wemby being there, it's perfect. Like him being a spur, him growing up in France with Tony Parker being a spur and him being a massive spurs fan. Like, it is incredible that we're here at this point now, a few years into. Into it, where it's not a situation in. Not to. To, you know, dunk on him or on him, but not a situation like Zion where, you know, Zion. Ton of. Ton of hype. Everyone's still excited about him. People are. I'm still excited about him right now. But like, Wemby has already kind of arrived as like, yeah, this guy's a stud. I mean, he trained with Monks in the off season, so he got the whole entire Zen. He's doing kicks. And that's the. That's a big thing too. Like, as far as him not seriously him not. Not, you know, being worried about like a hammy or a foot like you normally see with that. But then here's the other side of it. He trained with kg, so kind of the double. Both sides of the basketball coin Zen. And also like a massive you're going to eat my shit mentality like Kevin Garnett had. It's one of those possible perfect storms where we might have a true, you know, change of the guard. We've been talking about the face of the league. If this keep keeps happening, happening, forget everything else. Like, Wemby will be the guy when LeBron is done. And hopefully LeBron still has, you know, five years left.

[A]

How old is Wemby?

[G]

22.

[A]

That's it, I think. I mean, Wemby could put on.

[H]

He's 21.

[G]

21. Excuse me.

[A]

Which is wild to think of. He could not easily. But if this in one Year or two years, if he wanted just growing into his body, he could put on 40 pounds of muscle.

[E]

He can't, though. That's how these guys end up. I mean, like, I. I would agree, but that's how these guys get hurt, and they get. Get the foot. The foot issues, and then it's like. Because that is. I mean, if you're 77, if he breaks one bone in his foot, like, it's. It's just. You know, we saw it with Greg, Odin. We saw it with a bunch of these guys.

[G]

Holmgren's rookie year.

[E]

Yeah, exactly. Chad Holmgren, like, that's what he almost. He almost needs to be that exact build to kind of maximize. I mean, obviously put a little bit of weight on, but, like, you're that big, you really can't put that much weight on.

[H]

Like, Giannis is not as tall of him, but Giannis is, what, seven foot? Like, he came in as skinny as Wemby, and then he's, like, super muscular.

[A]

You kind of get your man strength even if he's not trying. Like. Yeah, watching him mature over the years will be awesome to see. Yeah, imagine him shoulder and people, too.

[G]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

He's already doing it.

[G]

And, like, J.J. redick, talking about him before J.J. redick was coaching was, you know, kind of mentioned how he's already, as far as, like, maturity. He's already there. Like, he's 21, but he's hanging out with Monks and he's training with Kevin Garnett. He's not, you know, taking this not seriously at all. But then even on the broadcast, they mentioned he has actually put on weight. Like, it's just one of those things where, you know, like. Like. Like seven.

[E]

Seven.

[G]

He's 77. Yeah. It's like Kevin Durant almost. It's like, hey, Kevin. Kevin Durant's been in the gym, you know, working out. But then you see him and it's like, well, how come he doesn't have huge muscles like giannis or like LeBron? And I. I think that's kind of the. The comparison here with Wemby is more so, like, Kevin Durant. When Kevin Durant first came in, they said, hey, you're not going to be able to succeed with that type of build.

[H]

Couldn't do 135.

[G]

Yeah. Bingo. He couldn't bench 135. Yeah. Like, that was the big story. He's screwed. Obviously, now, 15 years later, Kevin Durant's one of the greatest scorers in the history of the NBA. Wemby now is kind of on that sort of trajectory. And it's sweet just being able to kind of talk about and celebrate this with everything going on in the NBA just because with everything that has happened this morning that's hogged it. But Wemby, last night is very much worth talking about in spotlighting just because this, this is going to be appointment television like for me now. I already favorited the, you know, the spurs on my sports app. So I know when they're playing. Like I want to watch this guy as much as possible when he is healthy just because if you know, heaven forbid he does get hurt or anything like that, I will regret not watching him while he was.

[A]

And the blood caught thing that. I mean that was a scary situation. But then I don't know how you. You get a handle on it and then hopefully you're passing works like David Andrews.

[G]

He missed an entire NFL season. Yeah, Barmore, he missed an entire NFL season last year with blood clots. But you know, they made it back a year later and I think that's a very similar situation here.

[A]

Well, good. Good luck to Wemby and he's great for the NBA. Especially in times right now that the NBA is facing. I don't as anything new popped up over the last 30 minutes or so?

[G]

No, I think. I think it'll probably be over the next 30 minutes.

[A]

Based on people are being arraigned, right? Yeah, they'll get brought in Chief judge and yeah, I guess what presented your charges. Will they get bail? Are they going to be stuck in jail?

[D]

I don't know.

[E]

I would imagine they'd post bail. Maybe not. Who knows? We're gonna find out.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

What a wild story that we're just. Just scratching the surface, aren't we?

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

I wonder if there's some players and coaches that are kind of worried, kind of scared right now.

[E]

I'd assume so.

[G]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

What if you just attended one of the. What? I mean there's probably some guys pissed off actually that played in these poker games. Like wait, you guys could see my whole cards. Like you could. There's a reason I lost every single time. Maybe I'm not a terrible poker player.

[G]

Yeah, exactly. Like I'm sure a lot of people this morning are finding out they've they got screwed over during these games.

[A]

Oh, man. Well, we're going to pivot because we know NFL is king around here on this show. Thank you, Wemby. And what you're doing. Everyone else in the NBA I know guys are starting out hot. We have what, 81 games to go for most times, right?

[G]

That's right. Yeah. The Pacers, we got a finals rematch on ESPN tonight. It's OKC at the Pacers. And then the late game is Golden State at or, sorry, the Nuggets.

[A]

I like that Nuggets warriors game is both.

[G]

Those games are good debuts for the Pacers and Nuggets.

[A]

Nice. We'll take that. We want to pivot quickly to the NFL. Lamar Jackson, guys, I believe he is practicing, that is all. Reports show that today was today, his first day of practice.

[E]

Yesterday.

[A]

Yesterday's first day, Wednesday, Thursday. He's going to practice today. I guess they'll check him out, see how he's doing. Ty, when you think about this, I know you're you and Shefty, you know, you do your. The Shefty podcast together. What does he, does he have anything more on this?

[E]

He pretty much said this morning that Lamar Jackson came out, I think 20 minutes late to practice yesterday. And he talked to sources inside the building who basically said like, hey, this is isn't. This still isn't a sure thing that he's going to go on Sunday. We want to see where.

[A]

Hamstring, right?

[E]

Yeah, we want to see where he's at after today's practice and then that'll give them a much better feel. And I, I kind of just asked him like, well, at 1 and 5, like, you know, the Ravens don't really have a choice. They kind of have to start. Lamar. This was like their entire plan was, hey, after the bye week, our schedule gets a little bit softer so they need him to go. But then Shefty also brought up, he said, hey, you know, so this is two weeks plus a buy. And then one additional practice that Lamar Jackson missed. He said, you know, Jaden Daniels is basically, ha. Basically has the almost exact same injury right now or very similar and everyone's body's different. But he said, you know, the commanders have the, the teeth of their schedule coming up. So if you look at it, it's like, could he miss the most important stretch of their season? Maybe so.

[A]

And Jaden is out. They've already ruled him out for a Monday night game game against the Chiefs. Obviously that's a big one playing the Kansas City Chiefs and, and Patrick Mahomes and what they are doing. But to. For Jaden to be out already, I, man, that's a big blow.

[H]

You cannot, like, if you're a Ravens fan or the Ravens team, like, you can't, you can't lose another one. Like, you can't lose this one.

[A]

You got one and six. No, I mean, one and five is a tough hole to dig.

[H]

One and five is a tough hole. One and six. Like, then there's no room for it because what, nine and I get ten and seven, nine and eight. Like, the people have got into the playoffs, but not with, like, not with the way the AFC east on top of the AFC east, top of the AFC south is looking right now. Like you, they can't afford to lose any more games.

[E]

And that's also assuming that everything goes perfect like that. All of a sudden the defense starts holding teams to 14 points a game and their offense comes out like, yeah, there is no room for error. So that, that's why it's like, even if he's at 60%, you almost have to play Lamar on Sunday.

[G]

Yeah. Not to mention, like, to Tony's point, if we pull up the records of the, you know, the entire league right now. Now, like, you look around, especially in that wild card race, it's so tight where one in six might be too big of a hole. You know, like, BA Was on here this week talking about how the Bengals are going to get it going. You got two teams in the AFC south, the Jags, we all still believe in. And then look at the AFC west. Like the Chargers are playing tonight and the Chiefs are the Chiefs, you know, so do we think the Chargers are going to collapse and completely blow up their season to the point where, where, you know, they're 10 and 7. I, I, I just don't know. Just because the faith in Harbaugh and even the same thing with the Bills, like, you fully expect the Bills to turn it around and go, yeah, me too.

[H]

So looking at that right now, I think, like, if you're the Ravens, I don't even know, like, you're, I don't think you're trying to get a wild card because, I mean, you're obviously behind those three AFC west teams, the two AFC south teams, the two AFC east teams. Like, you literally have to hope that the, the Steelers aren't as good as their record is right now and you win the North. Like, I think winning the north is the only way probably the Ravens get in right now.

[A]

I mean, the Ravens just trying to get a win. They're trying to get one.

[H]

Yes.

[A]

Which. Let's go, let's go. One and O this week. The old cliche situation.

[G]

What did you think about? I mean, you were on with us, but now a day later, just about the veterans taking the toys out. Yeah, I get It.

[A]

I mean, I would assume that the veterans were pissed off at how maybe some young guys were handling things that they weren't being a pro. You know, that's the whole thing. Like, be a pro, pro. And being a pro is no, no secret. Like, show up on time, don't be late to meetings, do what you say you're gonna do. Like, be accountable to your teammates and just do the right thing. So I'd assume, I don't know, that little things were slipping here and there. I don't know, guys. I guess I could see it. See, I never really played in a locker room that had even ping pong tables. And while I was in Green Bay for nine years, we didn't have any. We had like, the little guys would play the little roll of dice game. What is it? Not crib. They played cribbage, Yahtzee and other ones. No, not Yahtzee. That's all I thought of before where I. But no, I don't know. They all talk about it. I never played it. We didn't have any games like that. So I don't know. But I understand vets wanting to get stuff out of there if they feel like young guys maybe can't handle. Like, you guys think this is Disneyland here.

[D]

Like, we're.

[A]

We're one in five right now. We're a terrible football team.

[G]

Yeah. Keith Bullock had a hysterical tweet about. And I don't think we have it, but it was just about how like, yeah, we do, actually. And it's essentially just, where is it? Yeah. In 2005, we were terrible, terrible 4 and 12. Young. Young.

[E]

What is it, Cats?

[G]

Yeah, Young Cats was like, it was always playing Mario Kart or some in the locker room during break. One time they paused the game to play where they left off after practice. Man, I broke that system to pieces. That video game. We out here losing, like, that type of stuff. Reading that is when it's like, okay, I. I could see, you know, not a Marlon Humphrey, but a Kyle Van Norman going in there. Like, hey, I don't know why we're still around with all this stuff. Like, get it out of here. But like, does. Does that feel a little bit like an overreaction, maybe get some of the things out? Like, I don't know, it's probably.

[A]

Probably a couple weeks in the making when the. Whoever the vets were, we're talking about, hey, man, we could get this stuff out of here. These guys don't know. They don't know what it's like. They don't know how to prepare something like that. Anytime you're losing, you're gonna do something, you're gonna change something. They're gonna figure it out. Oh, I gotta put white laces in my cleats this week. That's gonna make us win. Okay. We don't one guy that does know Tone, that does understand what it means to win. We got him on the line here. He's going to be on the call tonight. Huge game, obviously. Vikings at Chargers from Sofi. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Kirk Herbstreet.

[F]

What's up boys? How we doing?

[A]

We're doing great, Kirk.

[D]

How ya?

[A]

What's it like out there? Obviously we know your travels are documented, you know, throughout every single week. It's unbelievable. I know. I think Peter, Mitch, you got multiple dogs making the trip this week. I don't know if they're with you now. I don't know if they're joining you game day, whatever it might be. But what's it like out there and what was it like? I assume you talked to both these coaching staffs.

[F]

Yeah, Peter's with me right now. We're playing back to Nashville tonight after the game with, with game day and Vandy and I'm going to, I'm going to first time bring the other guys out to say hello to some people on, on Saturday. But this game is interesting. You know, it's. Minnesota is a, is a team that I think we're all very excited about what they can be and who they can be this year. I see your photo there of Carson Wentz. That was a big question. Was JJ McCarthy, was his ankle going to be ready to go? Would they green light him this week or maybe wait another week? Turns out Carson will continue to go. He's 2 and 2 as a starter filling in for J.J. mcCarthy. And yet, I mean, they've had offensive line injuries just like a lot of teams at this point. You guys know what it's like following your teams and just the entire league.

[E]

League.

[F]

We get to this point in the season, but some have been hit a lot harder than others. And these are two really good examples of teams that are just trying to hold on, trying to survive and getting a little healthier. But, you know, the Chargers started three and oh, they've lost three of their last four. They're reeling a bit and a big opportunity after incredibly disappointing game as you guys saw against Jonathan Taylor and the Colts, who just, they, I mean, they did really anything they wanted to offensively against the Chargers defense, whether it was running or Daniel Jones making good decisions, that's a whole different story. I know you guys are enjoying what Indy's been about, but the Chargers are reeling. And sometimes when you're reeling, A.J. you probably live this. Sometimes those, those short weeks that are often dreaded by players, sometimes you're looking forward to just getting back out there and trying to get that bad taste out of your mouth. And that my sense is, is that's. That's kind of where the Chargers defense is.

[A]

Yeah, I would assume. Yeah. I think anytime you get beat, like, you cannot wait to get back out there and try to try to figure things out and make it right. I guess when, when you watch this Chargers offense and defense play, I guess. But their offense in, like, specifically, you said they lost the last. They've lost three out of the last four. Like, what's going on with them? What, what do they have to do, I guess, to turn this thing around tonight?

[F]

Well, I, I just talked to Greg Roman this morning, the offensive coordinator, and they, they. Their entire investment of this off season was to get better in the backfield. And they, you know, got Omarion Hampton from North Carolina and brought Najee Harris over from Pittsburgh. They just thought, you know, they wanted to get back to being a great running team, take some of the heat off of the passing game and Justin Herbert, and then Slater gets hurt in camp. Rashawn Slater, one of the best left tackles in the game, gets hurt in camp. And now that was a massive blow to their. Just their culture, their DNA. So they took Joe Alt, who's a stud from Notre Dame, at right tackle. They had to move him over to left tackle, and that really impacted things, I think. And then he gets hurt. So they've been playing like their fifth and sixth offensive tackle in recent weeks, and. And yet they're still a top five offense. So they went from being, hey, let's run the football, let's get two tight ends, you know, and then we're will take it off of Herbert, as you see in that photo or that video there. Herbert's gotten hit more than any quarterback in the, in the entire league because they've had to abort who they want to be, their identity, which is running the ball and let Herbert complement the running game. They've gone back to who they were as an offense before Harbaugh and Roman got there, which would spread people out and make him throw the time. I think they were down last week. He threw it 55 times last week, and it's just not who they want to be. So, so they've been banged up up front at the offensive line. They've lost three of their top four running backs, and so a lot of it has been on all the passing game. So that's. Now they go up against Brian Flores and, and a Vikings defense, as we all know, that loves the pressure and loves to come after you. So be interesting to see kind of the game plan that they, they come up with to try to negate that pressure package that, that, that, that Flores and the in the Vikings like to play with.

[A]

Toshmit, you got something?

[E]

Yeah. Kirk, you mentioned the quarterback situation, how we didn't maybe know if it was going to be Carson or jj Whether it's who you've talked to or kind of just your opinion of the whole thing. What do you think is the ultimate plan, I guess, for the Vikings with their quarterback situation? A lot of people saying the whole JJ McCarthy is, you know, like a soft benching, if you will, and they're kind of just going to let Carson, you know, find his feet. And then obviously you have what Sam Darnold's doing in Seattle that's kind of, of just rubbing it in a little bit. But do you get, do you have, like, any feel that, hey, if Carson Wentz goes out there, looks good tonight and kind of maybe strings together a couple wins, like, does he have the, the chance here to maybe be the, the Viking starter for the rest of the season, or are they still all, you know, gung ho on JJ and he'll be back whenever he's, I guess, healthier than he is now?

[F]

I mean, Ty, you, you know, this division, I mean, it's. Your team's in there and, and you follow it closely. I think what you're alluding to is you almost have to read between the lines. No one is coming out, including o', Connell, and saying that, hey, here's what we think. I think they're, they're talking strictly about the ankle and his availability. And no one's saying that Carson Wentz, who's 2 and 2 right now, has a chance to be the guy. I will say this. I know J.J. mcCarthy, in that opener against Chicago, didn't play great. He had that nice quarter late to be able to pull out a man. But if you guys go back to that game, the reason I've been a big fan of JJ McCarthy's is the Juice that he brings, the way his team believes in him. And if you saw the reaction that night, you had defensive players coming down yet, JJ Or Justin Jefferson, like, everybody responds to him So I think there's a lot there to like, I think there's a lot there to think about the potential of what he and this offense can be with him as a starting quarterback. But I think what you're alluding to is, is fair. I mean, if he, what if, what if Carson Wentz goes out tonight and just plays awesome? What if he's hitting everything, making good decisions, not turning the ball over and they get out with a win and then, and then next week you're going to, you know, they're going to ask Kevin O' Connell win. What's going on with the ankle? Is JJ McCarthy? Because it sounded like it was almost right on the edge of being able to pull the trigger and play him this week. So if that's the case, you get a mini buy on a Thursday night game for next Sunday. Why wouldn't he be ready to go next week? Regardless of what Carson Wentz does, if he's your guy? Now, I step back for a second. When you have a high ankle sprain, you're getting mental reps, but you're not think about in two years, forget playing.

[A]

He.

[F]

He hasn't gotten practice, just developmental practice of getting reps. And you just wonder how much that has slowed down his potential growth. So I don't know. I don't think it's J.J. mcCarthy's a miss on a draft pick. I think it's more of we got this guy, Carson Wentz that's functioning pretty well. We got our other guy that we think is going to be the guy, but he's not even on the practice field. So how do we go from a guy who's, let's say three and two as a starter, Carter, to a guy that's not had any reps? I don't know. I understand where kind of the spot that he's in right now as a head coach and play caller. But I think it's a fair discussion for Minnesota media and fans to wonder where is this heading two weeks from now, three weeks from now? Are we waiting for Carson Wentz to implode and then you go to JJ McCarthy or is it not even matter what Wentz does? At some point they're going to go to their guy because they believe in him despite not getting a whole lot of reps. Yeah.

[A]

Kirk, when you, when you watch this Vikings team, obviously you talk to Kevin oconnell like what separates him as a coach. We know, like the old saying, you could plug anybody in there at qb, it feels like. And Kevin o' Connell is going to get them right. He's going to give them a good chance to, to be successful. Like from talking to him and watching him, what, what is it that that makes him special?

[F]

I think it's just you always hear that saying, quarterback friendly offense. I think it's because of the way they attack. They don't put it all on the quarterback. They run the football typically when they're healthy. And by the way, Aaron Jones will be back tonight, which is a massive deal. When they picked up Jordan Mason last year from San Francisco, what they envisioned is taking some of the heat off of Aaron Jones and letting them be a tandem and a combination. And so you have that now with him coming back. So I think that's great. But I think the reason these Kirk Cousins and you know, what we've seen under Kevin o' Connell, with Sam Darnold, the reason he's able to do that is because you got great personnel around the position. They don't put everything on the quarterback. They run the ball, they boot, they naked, they play action. Their drop back game is rhythmic timing, get the ball out. They give you answers as a quarterback. So I, I think he's one of the better play callers, in my opinion in the NFL and does as good a job as anybody at diagnosing a defense and knowing how to attack it and finding its weaknesses. So you got a Chargers defense, it's, it's more than capable of playing better than they have in recent weeks. I think they've lost a little bit of their mojo and confidence and like I said earlier, I think a short week getting Khalil Mack back. You know, he played 12 snaps last week just as a pass rusher. And Meanwhile, even at 34 years old, he still sets the edge and is really physical. Denzel Perryman came back last week, so I think some pieces are coming back. But to answer your question, I just think Kevin o' Connell does a really good job of providing answers and not making the quarterback feel like we're going to go as you go. You know, I think there's enough weapons around that position. Think about it. You got Justin Jefferson, arguably the top receiver in the entire league, on one side, side, Jordan Addison on the other. You got T.J. hawkinson, who's getting more and more healthier as far as that ACL he's recovering from, Jalen Naylor. You had Jordan Mason, Aaron Jones, I mean there's a lot there. And I think it makes the quarterback feel like, okay, I don't have to feel like I got to play Superman ball for us to be able to move the football. And, and if you watch Sam Darnold last year, he seemed to have, he'd get back one hitch balls out. You know, he gives these quarterbacks confidence because he gives a man.

[A]

Yeah, I think we're all excited to watch the Carson Wentz experience tonight. We know that that guy's going to have a few extended plays where he, he stumbles around, he finds a way. And who knows, maybe It'll be a 70 yard completion. Maybe something else may happen. Kirk, we're going to pivot. Tone D's got something about college football he wants to question you on.

[H]

Yeah, Kirk, I saw your top five. I love your top five. You, the four undefeated teams, obviously Ohio State, Indiana, A and M, Georgia Tech, then you put Bama at 5, your first non undefeated team, BYU is going to be pissed at you. I know they are. But I wanted to ask you about just the top 25 in the rankings in general because when it comes to like the College Football Playoff and they're not going to do their rankings, I believe it's early November that they do theirs. Like they're going to use, I think there's seven or eight teams that were in the top 25 week one who are not in the top 25 now and they're going to use those week one wins against top 25 teams, teams like as a metric. Are you someone that. Because there's a lot of people now talking, hey, we shouldn't do rankings until at least October, stuff like that. Where do you fall in all of this? And then counting like those top 25 wins early in the season for the College Football Playoff down the line.

[F]

I don't think, I don't think anybody looks at Ohio State. At least I don't think the committee should look at Ohio State as an example, beating Texas. And they were the number, whatever they were one or two team in a country. I, I think if you're sitting there on that committee, that's part of your job. And the reason we don't just rely on computers is for them, for them to look at. Okay, Texas is now down at 22. That doesn't mean Texas couldn't slide up by the end of the year. But for now that that win doesn't feel as heavy as it did in the opening week. I'm a fan of preseason rankings. I'm a Reds fan. You know, I see AJ Talk baseball. Baseball season is typically over for me, usually well before the fourth of July. So I'm Jonesing for some news and some stuff to talk about. So if AP poll comes out in the second or third week in August and gets us to get excited about college football, I personally have no problem with it. I have the ability to look at a preseason poll, and after five weeks of football, six, seven weeks, I don't even know what happened in the preseason. I don't give a shit about the preseason. I'm watching football, like right now, now, like I watch every single week. And I've had opinions that change and, and, oh, that's the team I thought they were. You know, I guess they're not that team. Penn State is an example of that. Or a team like byu, you know, they lose their quarterback in the middle of camp and they got to find a freshman, Bear Bachmeyer, who no one really knew what he could do, and all of a sudden, wow, look at byu. You know what? Am I going to hold on to my preseason thoughts on week one rankings of byu? No, no, no.

[G]

It's like, like.

[F]

No, of course not. I'm looking at BYU kicking ass, taking names, and what they've done over the last five or six weeks. So I think it's a lot of just nothing else to talk about. Let's talk about how unfair preseason polls are. I don't have any issue with them at all. I think we can all adjust accordingly to, to, to actually watching football. And, and the teams that, that end up being overrated, they think in the rankings or are they. They drop out. So. And I don't think the community committee gets caught up in. In preseason rankings at all when it comes to eventually early November, after eight or nine weeks by then of football, of where they're going to stack those teams good.

[A]

Kirk, what about you? You had some hot takes about Indiana and their Adidas uniforms.

[G]

You got any?

[A]

Have you come around on that at all? Has anyone come at you a little bit? I don't know. What do you think?

[H]

So did you, A.J.

[A]

Yeah, I kind of. I kind of co. Signed with you, Kirk.

[F]

Yeah, well, I see your, Your shirt there, your. Your hoodie you got on, right? I, I made it pretty clear. I, I just, I had nothing, bro. I got nothing against Adidas. I, I don't. I'm. You know, when I was younger, I was incredibly loyal and just an all about Nike guy, thanks to Mike, growing up in the Michael Jordan era. But I'm not as passionate about it. But I, I know what I see. I know when I look at a uniform if a uniform is tight, if it looks Good.

[A]

You know what recruits say, too, Kirk? You know what these high school recruits. Recruits are watching that, too.

[F]

Well, again, I don't know. High school recruit. My. I don't know what, What's. What's.

[A]

Well, the fit. You know, like, it's got a fit. So my brother played at Miami, Ohio and Ohio U. He said they came out to warm ups when they played big teams. They play. They played Michigan, I believe, Ohio State once. He said they. They talked about, yeah, Iowa. He said they came out to warm ups and they were like him. And his teammates said, look how tight their jerseys are. Look how their pants actually fit. Like, they talked about how nice it all fit them and how, like, it.

[F]

Remember, Remember when you played on the, on the. We Elks? Do you remember that?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Come on.

[F]

And there was a couple guys on the team that, that, like in fifth grade, their. Their pants just. They just weren't working. They. They're almost down to their calves. Just too big and baggy. That's what, that's what the Adidas uniform looks like to me.

[A]

It does.

[F]

It looks like. It looks like the Little League uniform where the kids just don't quite fit into their uniform. And again, it's nothing against Adidas. I. I don't know anybody from Adidas. I have no loyalty to anybody. I'm just going by what I see, and what I see is just. Just not a good uniform.

[A]

We get it. We get it. Con man, you got something.

[G]

Yeah. Kirk. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter because Mendoza spinning the pill in that uniform, so I don't think they really care.

[F]

But, bro, I got him. I had him at one last week in the country. And it's just Ohio State's been so consistent. It's hard to not have them at one based on their potential. But. But no Indiana, what they did at Oregon in 60 minutes, they impressed me than anything. The culmination of all they did last year and all they did this year up to that game, they completely won me over and everybody over. If you watched them going into Eugene and winning that, winning that game. So they're legit. They're real.

[G]

The city exploded after that game, and they won, especially with what the cold Colts are doing now. Kirk. But something kind of came through the wire today. An SEC ref, Ken Williamson, was permanently suspended. The decision to remove the longtime referee comes in the immediate wake of an SEC review of 11 complaints against Williams Williamson. Excuse me. From the Auburn Georgia game now, I believe it was last year. On Thursday Night Football. You were calling the Vikings Game against the Rams, Rams in la. And that game kind of ended controversially with the face mask of Darnold. I don't know if it was Thursday Night Football, but it might.

[H]

It was.

[G]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I thought so. Something like this seems to be incredibly like forward thinking, if you will, when it comes to the referee situation and there's been others as well. But when you see something like this that the SEC is doing, do you think that is something that will ever be kind of, kind of universally done by sports? Not just the NFL, not just, you know, college football, but all sports across the board. You know, the mlb, you know, the MLB ref, or excuse me, umpire during the Blue Jays Mariners game was kind of scrutinized for the same pitch, one being called a ball, the other being called a strike. And then there are situations that pop up all over when it comes to refs in sports. What do you kind of think about that situation? And also, real quick, thanks for coming on and talking to the Bugle boys. We know this show sucks without Pat, so you coming on actually makes it much better. We very much appreciate it.

[F]

Thank you, Kirk, man, I'll join you guys anytime. I love you guys. I would say I don't know how you feel about this, Connor. I look at this where I don't mind, you know, the bang, bang, play at first base without going to replay. I don't mind the human error. I don't mind. And I've had my teams, you know, that I cheer for get the bad end of that. But I think there's certain calls that I think that's part of the game, you know, where before the replay or a guy makes a call in a gray area and it could go this way or that way and it goes against you and it's the end of the world. With that being said, that's kind of like way I always grew up and just, you know, it's part of the game. I hate blaming referees or umpire.

[G]

Amen.

[F]

But with that being said, I do think that if a guy has consistently had rough outings where a league or a conference has to call coach or call an athletic director and basically apologize for a miss, and that happens at a rate, regular rate, then I think this is, as you said, groundbreaking. I, I, can you guys remember anything like this? Or a guy in the middle of a season is asked to like, take a seat? I, I've never heard of anything like that. I, I, I, I think it's holding. You talk about holding players and coaches and everybody accountable. Referees have Always never really had to deal with that. Maybe in the off season, but not in season. So I, I, I think it's an eye opener. I'm a referee guy, I'm pro referee. I think they, they, you know, fans get way too emotional about it. But I'm interested to see what this leads to and if we end up, you know, this is kind of like that first example and now you start to see it more and more, not just in college football, but all around sports.

[A]

Kirk, I don't know if you saw, you don't have to dive into it. We're going to let you roll here in a second. There's NBA's dealing with some stuff. Huh? Some stuff we haven't seen in a long time. Like. This is wild, isn't it?

[F]

Yeah, I, I don't know. I, I've been, I've been digging into this game. So I don't know, I've just seen some of the headlines. You guys, can you guys could shed some light? I, what there was, there was, there was the mafia involved.

[G]

I, I saw, yeah, yeah, the Chauncey Billups, Allegedly, Allegedly. They're being arranged today was what Sean told us to try. Chauncey Billups allegedly kind of fixed fixing illegal poker games. And AJ made the point like it's already an illegal game and then they're doing illegal stuff on top of it. And then Terry, Terry Rogier is more so allegedly.

[F]

That's actually on the court, right?

[G]

Yeah, Terry's on the court. Yeah. Similar to John Tay Porter, if you remember, from the Raptors last year.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. And I think a lot of people with the access to at least the sports betting, not the stuff going on with a card game, but the sports betting stuff. I think a lot of people have been alluding to the slippery slope and how this could very easily lead to some issues. And maybe this will be something that sends a clear message that people are watching and you gotta be super careful with what you're doing. And yeah, anything that happens in the news, nothing necessarily really, I think surprises any of us. We're just so used to one thing after another. It takes a lot for us to all say, holy cow, can you believe this? But this one definitely makes you think, how deep does it go? Is this going to be a domino effect potentially? And are there other people you know out there that, that, that maybe go down as well? But I hate to see it. I think it's awful.

[A]

Yeah. I'm sure the league is scrambling behind the scenes, obviously Trying to figure everything out right now. Kirk, we know you will be on the call to night, obviously. Vikings at Chargers and then flying tomorrow, Missouri at Vanderbilt. You pump for. You pump for tomorrow, especially Kurt. I mean, Saturday game.

[F]

Buddy, I, I am. I'm looking forward to. I think the one time. I've lived in Nashville since 2011. The one time we were there for the show was 2008 when I was still living in UA. And so it's been a long time since we've been there, but Diego Pavia and Clark Lee have created that. And by the way, Missouri jury needs to be a big part of. Of. I mean, they're a top 15 team coming off a tough loss last week, but I think they're a team that. That's fired up from listening to their coach drink. Seems to be playing the disrespect card, but they're going to come in ready to roll. And then I fly to Baton Rouge after game day, so it seems like a home game, but I got to go down to Baton Rouge, not have to. I get to go down to Baton Rouge for Texas A M, who I think three from up a stage taken against, you know, LSU team that already has a couple losses. They're in desperation mode for a win. So I'll be calling that one Saturday night with Chris and. And Holly and our crew on abc. How about these ABC games, guys? Every.

[B]

Every single week.

[A]

What's Baton Rouge like at night, Kirk? I've never been there, even during ever. Like, that's got to be.

[F]

You got to bring your boys.

[G]

I know.

[A]

I need.

[F]

You got to bring your boys down there for that and your wife. I mean, you guys would love it. Just because you're. You're football. Football crazy people. I mean, you just to be able to take it in and see it, it's. You're splitting hairs when you talk about the shoe at night. If it's a bit, you know, if Ohio State's playing Northwestern versus when they're playing a team that's, you know, a top five team, you know the difference, right? And lsu, all these places are the same way. It's deafening. You know, it's the whiteout. LSU at night, especially right now when they're playing a number three team in the country. It's awesome. It's just, you know, you can smell bourbon in the air. You can smell the smokers outside are cooking. I mean, it's a very festive, different kind of atmosphere that I love going to every single time we get a chance to get down There.

[A]

Yeah, that's someplace I'll hopefully get to at some point. But, Kirk, enjoy the game tonight. We will all be watching you and Al enjoy your. Your halftime meal. I know Al gets great food for you guys out there. Should be a fun 12 minutes for. I know NFL halftimes are only about 12 minutes. It's tough for you guys in college, 20 minutes. Probably much easier for Al to eat if he was doing those games. But thanks again, Kirk. Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk Curb Street.

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[A]

Yeah, he's got a. Kirk's got a pretty good travel situation going on throughout the weekend, so usually leaves Wednesday day every week. He's had a.

[H]

You know, he's had a lot of. He's been to Seattle, Louisiana, if you like.

[A]

He's had a lot of coast.

[H]

Yes.

[A]

He's not. Yeah, he's not even calling like game day.

[H]

He's had a couple NFL games, West Coast, Oregon. West coast, where he has then had his game. East coast or whatever. He's. The schedule hasn't really fared him yet.

[G]

So this.

[A]

What year is this for him doing Thursday night prime?

[G]

Four.

[D]

Yeah, four.

[A]

It's pretty awesome. Pretty.

[H]

He doesn't feel like that long.

[A]

It doesn't. I mean, Wemby's in his third year, right? Yeah, that doesn't feel like that. I feel like I'm Watched him get drafted a week.

[H]

Seriously?

[G]

Yeah.

[E]

Even.

[G]

It's even like when we talked about Zion and John Moran yesterday. It's like you think these guys are, you know, about to be 30 and then you realize they're 25 and 26. It's like so much of the time, I feel like just because we were in it every day, like, the time feels like it goes by a little faster. And then when you look at like the actual years when these kids were these kids.

[E]

But.

[G]

But Zion and John.

[A]

Yeah, they are kids compared to me, that's for sure.

[G]

Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. And. And it's. It's just insane. But I mean, the fourth year now too, like, good for them. Finally getting good game after good game. They really went through the bullshit. Terrible. Prime time for a while.

[A]

Was prime doing a deal when they were. Was it prime when they were doing the whole Color Rush situation? That was a prime.

[E]

That was NFL Network, I think I.

[A]

Played in the first Thursday night NFL game we played the Cowboys 2, 2000 something. Aaron stepped in.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Was that the first one they ever did?

[E]

I don't know if it was, but. But I remember getting hurt. And he came in and Aaron came.

[A]

In and played great. We. The Cowboys ended up winning, but it was.

[E]

There's that clip of Collinsworth being like, he's gotta play.

[A]

Yeah. Then Aaron came in and was slinging it. Right.

[E]

They're like two touchdowns. And yeah, he looked great.

[C]

We are.

[A]

Yeah. Aaron is playing. He's playing his old squad. Packers are coming to town, coming to Pittsburgh to. To play Aaron Rodgers in the Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe Aaron's out there talking. Is there animosity tone? Is there anything going on? Run that foxy.

[G]

I don't have any animosity toward the organization, obviously. I wish that, you know, things have been better in our last year there.

[A]

But, you know, I have a Great.

[G]

Relationship with a lot of people still in that organization. And I don't. This is not a relationship revenge game for me. I'm just excited to see some of those guys and be on Sunday Night Football again.

[A]

Have your feelings toward the organization evolved.

[F]

The longer you've been away from them?

[B]

That not feeling animosity, is that something.

[H]

You kind of had to work to.

[B]

Feel work to get to this point?

[G]

We're always working on ourselves and trying to be better than we were the.

[A]

Previous day, previous month, previous year.

[G]

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, maybe. You know, I have a lot of.

[A]

Great memories from my time there.

[G]

A lot of great interactions with fans over the years. You know, living in Green Bay, living in Suamico, living in Hobart, going to.

[A]

Chives, being out and about, seeing people.

[G]

The Piggly Wigglies when I'm shopping for groceries.

[A]

I grew up there.

[G]

I spent 18 years there from 21 to 39. So I'm thankful for my time there. Obviously, he would have loved to ride off on the sunset after a Super.

[A]

Bowl win, but that's not the way the league goes sometimes.

[G]

And, you know, I knew the writing.

[A]

Was on the wall when Jordan was.

[G]

Picked and as a matter of time, I happened to win MVP the first.

[A]

Two years he was with us.

[D]

But I knew at some point there.

[A]

Would be a change and if I.

[G]

Wanted to play, it'd probably have to be elsewhere. So I understand the situation.

[A]

What do you think, Tone Diggs, you believe him? No animosity. He seems very happy in that clip.

[H]

He does seem very happy. He's. He's in a good spot right now. But no, why would he have any animosity? Like, yes, time heals all. Yeah. And it's been a while. Like, I think there was potentially some animosity when the decision was made to leave there. But yeah, at this point, no, if.

[A]

This game was in Green Bay, it'd be a little different.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Going back to Lambeau would be. He mentioned like the, you know, a bunch of, you know, landmark. The Piggly Wiggly. That's the grocery store. Yeah. We've been to Chai Coach with big money. That's Aaron's spot always. But yeah, I don't know. What do you have, Tone Digs?

[H]

I do have to say I. I came on yesterday because it hadn't been announced yet. The Steelers are wearing their yellow helmets with their throwback. But the. Luckily the packers are wearing all whites. They're going to be having white helmets on, so we don't have double yellow helmet.

[A]

Game so it's color rush for the Packers.

[E]

Yes.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Pretty much color rush for the Packers. Steelers old school throwback.

[G]

Storm warning.

[H]

Yeah. Second arctic done. Second week in row. We had to play a team that's wearing all white. So that's kind of.

[A]

I guess I saw Ben. Ben claims that Aaron's 1 pick. Maybe because of that. Then I saw there's a video. It wasn't really anywhere near the. What do you say? Painting on the field.

[H]

Are you calling.

[A]

I love Ben standing up for Aaron and for his squad. I really do.

[H]

Yeah, I. I think like, because they. There was videos of them talking and meeting on the field during camp and during practices and I'm sure they've talked about. But yeah, I mean Ben has always respected Aaron. He's going to stand up for the court quarterback in the city.

[I]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah. And it might be from one of those fake accounts that tweet stuff like MO Football and JP Football, but allegedly the Steelers want Rogers to play in 2026.

[H]

Actually, no, I think, I think that was from. And I could be wrong because I did see it from one of those accounts, but they actually gave credit to someone. I think it was Jeremy Fowler, who is a legitimate reporter. And, and by the way that he's played so far, apparently he's leading meetings on Thursday. He's in front of the room. They do player led meetings on Thursday and Aaron's basically leading right now. Yes. Today as we speak. So everything has gone swimmingly as far as Aaron is concerned. This year is like with the team.

[A]

I mean, four touchdowns against the Bengals. But he couldn't, you know, Joe Flacco.

[H]

Well, he couldn't see the.

[A]

He couldn't see that one point. Yeah, of course he did.

[H]

Because they painted the walls too.

[E]

Yeah, you're right.

[G]

That was bull.

[A]

Oh, you're right.

[E]

A lot of white out.

[A]

I was there. I could see how you got confused. I can see that.

[H]

That kind of shenanigans that you guys do over at City.

[A]

Kirk was. I. I didn't get to ask Kirk. I was. I text him before that game. Last week I went to the Bengals Steelers game at Paycore Stadium in Cincinnati. I didn't get to see Kirk pregame. My kids got to go out on the field. I was stuck in a traffic jam in a separate car pull. Ride my way into the stadium. So I, I didn't get to see Kirk on the field.

[H]

But I can't even see the Bengals players in this.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Jeez.

[G]

Where are they?

[H]

Was he wide open or.

[E]

Oh, no, they're oh, oh.

[H]

See the walls? Look how white they are.

[G]

You can barely see.

[B]

See, they are W and field post.

[H]

That's kind of.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if there's a whole lot to stand on with Ben's argument, but I get it. It makes sense. It really does. And of. Why wouldn't you want Aaron back? Look how he's moving around. Look how he feels. And I mean, it could. Could easily be 70 yards.

[H]

I don't think that's an issue.

[G]

Yeah. Bingo.

[A]

Crow hopping into it. So that when Aaron did that, that was the longest ball thrown in the air in the NFL. Or that Aaron's thrown in the NFL.

[E]

In the NFL.

[I]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what I first thought. That's the longest that he thrown since 2017 when he was playing. But no, everybody in the league.

[G]

Yes.

[A]

It's not like he got a huge crow hop. He's got like one and a half little crow hop into that. And he had a guy kind of right in front of him, too.

[H]

Came and see that.

[G]

Yeah. And they.

[A]

And they can't see anything there, right?

[H]

No, can't see.

[G]

Thank you. There might be 15 guys.

[A]

Oh, man, that's got to be cheating, isn't it?

[G]

I mean, this is an absolute Hawk.

[A]

It's awesome.

[G]

They said, what, 70 air yards? But yeah, if that thing were to have landed, it would have been a couple yards in the end.

[E]

Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, yeah, if I. If you're him, you know. Cause you. You kind of have to take the Achilles year out completely. Like, I think he envisioned that as one of.

[H]

And even last year because.

[E]

And even last. Even last year with how bad they were, it's like, is he. Maybe he's not leading after Stafford through five, but like, he's top five in the NFL and touchdown passes right now. Like, he clearly can still play. And for all intents and purposes, like, he's loved being in Pittsburgh so far. Seems like he loves all of his team teammates. He obviously loves Coach Tomlin. So. Yeah, I mean, if he can stay healthy, like, why not basically play until you feel like, you know, if he goes out there and. And he feels good physically, he feels good and like, mentally feels sharp. But then, like, if he's, you know, just not able to produce, that's one thing. He's still playing at as high of a level as you could ask.

[H]

As long as Broderick Jones doesn't kill him.

[A]

Yeah, there's a chance he's good. Aaron's. Aaron loves his passion. Loves it. He gets Excited? He said, I'm 41. He can't be tackling me from behind. Yeah.

[H]

Text him, say, hey, I love it.

[A]

But I told Roger, just punch him in the chest. Get in there and just let it front him. He don't want to get tackled from behind. That's the thing. If you like, hey, bomb, punch him in his chest or the stomach. Maybe that'll get him very excited, I think. Or maybe punch him in the elbow or the shoulder. There's that little. There's a little celebration we're all used to. Well, who's supposed to win this game?

[H]

Tone, the packers are favored by three at Pittsburgh.

[A]

What do you think is going to happen?

[H]

I think the packers are. The way that the Steelers defense is playing. I think the packers are the better football team. But this is one that the Steelers traditionally win. So I wouldn't be surprised if they did win in this one.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

And Tony knows his Steelers. That was my big takeaway from last week after, after the Bengals beat the Steelers, Tony basically said the whole day like, yeah, this is a game of Steelers loose, so be careful. And I wasn't careful. I, I thought the Steelers were going to win. Yeah.

[D]

In.

[A]

In quick pivot. The dynamic kickoff situation. I wanted to make sure we touch on this before the hard out. So the, the kickoff. What the NFL is claiming that they have this whole thing figured out, right? Oh, yeah. What are they saying with us?

[G]

Well, and that's kind of what it seems like. 79.3% of kickoffs has been returned, which.

[A]

Is what we wanted. We want stuff returned. We want it in play. We want to. We want to make it a football play.

[G]

Yes. You just didn't want it to be kicked through the, the end zone. In the fact that, that now it's, you know, damn near 80% of kickoffs are being returned. That's incredible. Highest rate since 2006, 32 returns of at least 40 yards. And that's something that's really changed the game. Like, we've seen situations now where the kickoff has won and lost games, both not being able to get the ball through the back of the end zone and guys being able to return it to the 40. And it's a couple plays and all of a sudden you're in field goal range. So it is, you know, it does seem as though the dynamic kick kickoff after a couple years. Here is the answer. Now, the other thing they're working on is the on site kick thing. I think it was, you know, one of 20 or one of 120. Kick on site kicks have actually been recovered. So now at the owners meetings they're kind of, you know, playing with again the 4th and 15 proposal about doing that as a play instead of the onside kick. That one's just kind of up in the air. Who knows what happens there. But from the kickoff perspective, I'm kind of used to it now where it doesn't really look that weird. You know exactly what you get.

[A]

It still looks kind of weird.

[H]

Yeah.

[E]

Are you on the hand. Were you on the hands team? Yeah, like, I mean I, I guess it's because of injuries and stuff like that. Like, why can't we just go back to the old.

[A]

We can definitely do the onside. Because you don't, they're, they don't like the running collisions. We, we have, we're got 30, 40 yards gaining ground and then bam. Those collisions, that's what I feel like they were taking. That's what's dangerous. Those are the scariest hits with the onside. What do you have 10 yards they're running. I was always the front line, so my job was to block the dude. Yeah, I'm going to block it and guess what? Jordy Nelson's standing behind me. Hopefully I know he's going to get it, so I'm going to go block this dude. But we only have maybe 10 yards between us. That's doable. We can, we don't want 40, 50 yards. Guys sailor diving and knocking themselves out in the wedge. That's what they wanted to get rid of.

[G]

That's.

[E]

I just don't understand why we can't go back to that and why teams have to declare it before. Before they, they can't like it.

[A]

Just dumb.

[E]

I think that that's one of the most electric plays in a game and it's, it's completely been eliminated. Like you, you never. Or if like you're a team that is down by a couple scores like you, you are never thinking like, oh, there's a chance we're going to cover an onside kick. Like you're, you're not, you're not going to get it.

[A]

Hey, before we are hard out, I want to see. I believe we have a graphic with coach Mike McCarthy's pick for somewhere and I believe Pat's pick because I'm going to make it a pick for the game tonight. We just got done talking to Kirk Herbstream. I'm not sure, man, when Big Mike talks about these games, I know he doesn't any division rivalries. He is, he's tough but where's Mike going? Here we go. This is the first time we're seeing this.

[G]

He's got. He's got Vikings plus three and a half. Vikings with the points, I believe.

[E]

Yeah. I have a little blurb from him here. He said, okay, if the Chargers go after the Vikings corners like the Eagles did, that could be an issue. Okay. Whoever runs the ball the best and the most will win. The obvious factor is obviously going to be the turnover ratio. Turnover ratio battle. That's going to factor in a game like you mentioned, AJ it's not a division game, but that's still too many points. That's why he likes the Vikings.

[A]

Vikings at what? What is that again?

[H]

Three and a half. Three and a half.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

They're getting three and a half.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what, Coach Mike? I'm going to take the Vikings as well. I don't know. Well, I don't know what Pat picked yet. You guys know what Pat? I'm not sure.

[G]

Do we?

[B]

Oh, oh, okay.

[I]

Not.

[A]

Not. Believe me. I had no clue.

[H]

I will say this, Pat, you're welcome. You can get Chargers minus three.

[A]

Okay. You have minus three. That's a big deal. That is a big deal. All right. So myself, Coach Mike McCarthy. We are on the Vikings. Pat is on the Chargers minus three. Yeah. Minus three. Okay.

[G]

I mean, that, that four and let's do it.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah. I love it. Man, I can't wait to bet on Carson Wentz to. To throw for 400 yards. Probably not the time to say that, but I can't wait for it to happen.

[H]

It had been the. The dogs as well. They had won, I think 7 of 8 until Thursday night Football last weekend when the Bengals continued that. But then Saturday Night Football and then both games on Monday night, the favorites one.

[A]

I mean, I understand these trends. I understand all of that when it comes to gambling. But in the moment, in the night when they're out there playing, it has nothing to do with any of them.

[G]

Yeah, nothing. Nothing.

[A]

But if you're strictly just going, what? Analytics, Chicken.

[H]

You gotta let. They gotta let people have all the information. Let them decide.

[G]

You're a fool not to look at the information.

[A]

You should look at it. Right. How hard do you look?

[H]

If you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it.

[I]

A.J.

[A]

Who said that?

[H]

I believe that was Albert Einstein.

[A]

Was it really?

[H]

Or Thomas Jefferson.

[G]

Thomas Jeff.

[A]

Yeah. Well, you never know. We don't know. We're up against the hard out. We're not sure who said anything at any point in the history of this great beautiful country. But we will be here tomorrow. We appreciate you guys watching. See you tomorrow.

[G]

Dude, well done.

[A]

I should have said digital, all that stuff. I missed all that. But you know, we're talking ball.

[G]

Hey, and also when you do miss all that, that's why Nick posts a cool bottom thing up because it says it on there.

[A]

Thank you, Nick.

[G]

Just in case.

[A]

Thank you, Nick. Always looking out for me. Appreciate you boys.

[G]

It was.

[H]

It was George Centenyana originally 1905. And then Winston Churchill made it a little more famous.

[G]

Co.

[E]

Opted.

[A]

I mean those presidents had speech writers way back in the day. Going back till.

[C]

Nope.

[A]

The first president.

[E]

FDR never did.

[G]

You're telling. You think George Washington. You fucking prick. You don't know shit about George Washington.

[H]

You think they had enough ink to be writing with their quills to be.

[A]

I don't know. I'm just checking. I'm. It's in real time.

[H]

Top of the dome.

[G]

Yeah. Actually, funny enough, there. There is a sweet new George Washington show coming out on hbo. It's like a whole entire like about him show about George Washington's life.

[H]

Does it start with the tree?

[G]

It's the. The trees in it. The. The trees in it.

[E]

The cherry tree is there.

[A]

Okay.

[G]

But it is him basically, as you a, you know, teenager becoming.

[A]

What was he like as a teenager?

[G]

Dog legend.

[H]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah.

[H]

What kind of question is that?

[A]

I would like to know. I only. I only know George Washington, the president. I want to know George Washington the kid.

[E]

What series then When's it come out?

[A]

I'm just here. I don't know.

[G]

It comes out soon. I'm assuming. I'm assuming President better be.

[A]

Hopefully it's not too boring too. We kind of. Good Lord. I didn't say anything about it. I mean. Okay, I think we have something about these speechwriters. Who else do you want to question today? Judson Welliver is generally credited as his first presidential speechwriter. Serving as a literary clerk for President. Okay. Warren G. Harding. Okay.

[F]

World War I.

[A]

First person hired specifically this role. The beginning of modern presidential speechwriting. So that's a big deal now, right?

[G]

Yeah.

[E]

And if I remember correctly, Warren G. Harding was a big fatso. So that would make sense that he was lazy and he needed someone else to write a speech for him.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[G]

That checks a lot of boxes. Have you seen the King's Speech?

[A]

I have. No. The movie from back in the day that won all those awards?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Bingo.

[G]

Very cool.

[A]

Good.

[G]

Yeah. Very, very good. Especially because it's a topic that Is boring writing speeches for a king or. Or whatever. But the. The entire story because he was a king with the speech and power impediment. And so it wasn't just a speech.

[A]

Who played the king in that?

[E]

Colin Firth.

[G]

There it is.

[A]

I just remember. I think I remember seeing a trailer when he's like doing burpees or push ups or something.

[G]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

Isn't that real?

[G]

Yeah, yeah. Is everything they do in the movie is what the king actually did to. To beat his stammer because obviously very important. You know, the king talking. And this is in England royal family's complete.

[A]

This is a true story.

[G]

Yeah, it's a true story. The king, you know, he had a st. Stutter. His older brother decided not to be the king, so he had to be the king. And back then really just radio. So the only thing people really heard from you was what you were saying. And because he had a stutter, people made fun of him and all that shit. And then the king speech, the entire movie is just about king's speech writing rather for kings and just him himself. It's a very unique situation because he had a stutter, but him himself like working out his stutter in order to deliver his first speech at as King.

[A]

So he. He beat it.

[G]

Yeah, it is a very, very. Yeah, it's a very good.

[A]

If you're telling me that's a good movie because in the moment I remember watching, thinking I see a lot of. A lot of these other movies I've actually watched that should win these awards, but that one won a lot of.

[G]

Awards and that one I would say like deserved just because it was uniquely. And good. Yeah.

[E]

Oscar B for sure. You probably wouldn't be able to mentally comprehend it. So I don't know if you would enjoyed it very much, but I struggle with accent.

[A]

Know that.

[E]

I know, I know. No, it's. It's good. It's good though.

[A]

I don't know.

[G]

Something to think about. But. But again, I mean, tonight it's Vikings, Chargers, movies.

[H]

Maybe on your way home, when you drive home, watch.

[A]

Yeah, maybe when I drive home, it'll keep me awake. You think it will?

[G]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Boy, we're kind of in the danger zone now with you, huh?

[H]

Since you're driving away from the sun though, so you should be all right though, right?

[A]

I don't. You know what?

[G]

Drive them right into that.

[A]

I realize it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Or where the sun is. If. If your body's shutting down and telling you to take a Nap. He's saying, hey, pull off into that gas station on the side of the road. You might need to sleep for 12 minutes.

[E]

How often do you do that?

[A]

Depends how much I'm driving. But now I'm not. Now I used to fight through it. Used to power through. I would just, I got this. Yeah, of course. Let's open, drive onto the shoulder a little bit, hit the rumble strips a few times.

[E]

Exactly.

[A]

My stupid car. Now I, I, I like my older car. I didn't even have GPS system. My, my, my truck now weight set says multiple times flashes warnings that you need to get coffee. It says you need a coffee break. I gotta press OK to say shut up. And it'll say like, stop swerving. Bruce, I see, is shaking his head. Does he have a car that has this?

[E]

I've been in one where that does that.

[A]

I'm trying to turn these alerts off, bud. Like, even if I'm dead asleep, that's not waking me up.

[E]

That's fair.

[G]

I've gotten to the point I, I used to also just be like a it. Let's power through. Like me and. Yeah, me, me and Zito drove back from day Tampa in a U Haul. And we drove it straight through. And it was, honestly, it was easy. Now if I'm going anywhere that is over four hours away, I, I make sure I stop two and a half hours in just to reset. Like, okay, we're halfway through. Yeah, let's, let's, let's get a water. Let's get some peanuts. You know what it. Let's get trail mix.

[E]

Sure.

[G]

You know, yeah.

[A]

Boom. Oh, checks mix at like the sheets or, you know, know local truck stop. That's, those are, that's not bad if.

[G]

You'Re lucky enough to see a BUC EE's.

[A]

We don't have BUC EE's in Ohio, though. I don't think you have Bucky's here.

[H]

You got to go south. I believe Kentucky's the first one.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Is it Foxy? You like? You like Bucky's back there? I saw his eyes light up.

[D]

No, I've never been to Buc EE's before.

[H]

It's not a northern thing.

[G]

No. Northeast even.

[A]

It's basically this. It's a gas station the size of a Super Walmart.

[H]

Yes.

[A]

Is that what you Nailed it. I get it.

[D]

Everyone likes these things. In my head, it's still a gas station. It can't be that great, but it's kind of great. I know everyone going to hate me for saying that.

[G]

Yeah. What do you mean everyone?

[B]

What's your version of that case?

[H]

The gas station in Michigan? Like is it Wawa, is it sheets?

[F]

It's not.

[D]

We don't have those marathon.

[G]

Yeah, I mean that doesn't count.

[H]

That's why he doesn't get it to Foxy's point.

[G]

And maybe this is kind of the two sides of the coin here. I guess since I didn't have it. I think it's so cool. Yeah, he didn't have it. He thinks it's stupid.

[A]

We have anyone here that grew up with a BUC EE's close to their house because maybe. Are they sick of it? No.

[E]

But the world's biggest truck stop is in Iowa. Right before you leave the.

[A]

What's it called?

[E]

It's called the World's Biggest Truck Stop. Yes. Yeah, you look it up. It's pretty sweet.

[A]

What goes on there?

[E]

Well, I'm not a trucker, so I'm usually getting off there to take a massive shite.

[H]

A lot of stuff goes on there.

[E]

But I, I, I, I think you could probably assume fair amount a lot. Lizards, they still a thing?

[A]

They still doing it?

[E]

I think so. I mean, again, I'm not Tucker, so I don't know. But you know, it's pretty cool. You can get a nice warm shower there if you'd like.

[A]

You know, I have always, I've always thought about that. Put my name in to be. Get on the list.

[H]

Yeah.

[A]

Shower. Different ones. Yeah. I find myself when I drive from here and back to Columbus. I stop at the same. I always think I'm going to new gas stations. Same one, always going the same ones. Like I know these people.

[G]

You should though that, that's the smart thing.

[A]

I buy little trinkets. I got, they got like little lighter that are pistols, they got, I got lasers. I get. All my kids will love this and I buy it for myself and forget to give to them.

[G]

Yeah, that's classic. That's. That happens at gas station. I mean, why do you think I had 200 pairs of sunglasses? Still have 200 pairs. Why do you think I got there? Because I would go into a gas station I knew had good ones. Yeah, I was, I'm coming here every single time to get this cool shit.

[A]

Well, it's smart.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

You find something that's good, you hold onto that.

[A]

I got a fly gun that uses CO2. Now I suggest you get it. It's a six shooter.

[G]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. So like I had the pump, you know, I got the big pump shotgun. Everybody's got that six Shooter like. Yeah. So I got this now. It's like it. It comes with a little. You guys used to buy you guys cap guns.

[D]

Boom.

[G]

Yes.

[A]

It's like the cap gun you, you pop in there. I'd say the barrel is that long on this thing. It's a pistol, handgun, revolver. And then you pop the CO2 right in the little. In the butt of it. And those flies don't have a chance really. I'm not gonna lie.

[H]

It's a real knock him unconscious dead.

[A]

Like it it they go past.

[G]

We don't.

[A]

We don't worry about being unconscious. We just explode them right away. Oh, it's beautiful. I think this thing has like I see something. They popped up. The barrel was a little bigger than the one I had than. Than that one. Might extend that barrel about five inches and that's the one I have. Okay. CO2 goes right into that where your palm is right in the butt of that. And I realized I have. I Bet I have 85 extra CO2 canisters because I was worried that I was going to run out because I was like know I had BB guns too much and I still have BB guns like they. The CO2 runs out too fast. So jack car, you know, you got to be prepared.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially when it gets warm. Just flies all over your house. Like sometimes I'll get five, six in within like three or four minutes.

[G]

Yeah, you should carry binos around.

[H]

Why do you have so many flies?

[E]

You just poop it on your phone every once kid. You're leaving the goddamn back door open.

[A]

Dump dumpster for a while too. That's a big thing when it's hot. June, July, those flies want to come in. They're going to breed.

[H]

Which garbage do you have at your house?

[A]

Well you know.

[H]

Why do you need a dumpster?

[A]

I mean cuz when you get. If you get a dumpster for a week you're going to want it for life. I'm just going to that awesome.

[H]

100% agree with you.

[A]

And my buddy owns a dumpster company so I get. So I got one put out.

[H]

Hey Bill, tough Bill has a dumpster too.

[A]

Does he Bill back here?

[H]

Yep.

[A]

Is Bill still working out in his office back there? I know he built a whole piece of machinery dip, pull up situation. Is that still back there?

[G]

There?

[D]

It's still back there. He doesn't use though. He's in the Hawk house usually.

[G]

Yeah but Bill has been. I mean you've seen Bill, he's jacked right now.

[A]

I've watched Bill run. Bill Is very light on his feet. Very spring. Yeah.

[H]

Big motor.

[E]

He.

[G]

He actual for shoot. Like track record at his high school.

[A]

I heard that around here.

[G]

Yeah. Down. Down south, I think. Yeah. Nowhere. This is. I don't know.

[A]

In Indiana.

[G]

Yeah. In Indiana. Yeah.

[A]

How's. How's the U ball going? Is Pat still the champ? Him and Evie.

[H]

Yeah, him and Evan won, I believe, 11 straight.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

Pat. Pat and Fox had quite a. Had their way with.

[A]

How did AQ do? Not good.

[E]

Yeah, AQ is not very good at you ball.

[A]

Who was his partner? Me, Tony.

[H]

We sucked.

[A]

Did you guys both suck together or did one of you suck worse than the other?

[G]

It wasn't even about that yesterday. It was just more about how good Foxy and pal were. I mean, there was times.

[A]

Is it draining shots or they reading the rebounds?

[E]

A little bit of both.

[A]

But if you're playing to 11. Yes. The games could go by pretty quick.

[D]

Some of them do, some of them don't.

[G]

It just depends.

[A]

Airball gives you minus one airball, meaning it doesn't hit the rim. Or what if it just hits a backboard?

[G]

Backboard's good. No, nothing. If it hits nothing, it's an airball.

[A]

Are there a lot of air balls?

[H]

Yeah, tend to be.

[A]

Yeah. I guess. You're shooting that tiny ball. I shot a few of them. It felt like I was shooting a golf ball.

[H]

Yeah, it's much harder because you could definitely like play to like, you could just whale it off the backboard, but you're never going to get enough points.

[G]

To, you know, I want to stay in success.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I need to be.

[B]

If you're shooting a mini.

[A]

I'm trying to make come into play.

[G]

There is a chance and granted it still has to be approved by the committee, but there is a chance that we have new U balls. Actually, Z ordered a couple. Very nice.

[H]

Yeah, we'll see.

[G]

Very plump new mini basketballs for the U ball.

[E]

We'll see.

[G]

We'll see how it works. Kind of a trial run.

[A]

What do you mean plump?

[G]

Then just very, very filled up. They're very grippy.

[A]

PSI in there. Bingo.

[G]

There it is. Psych. Psi. Plump plum balls. Space.

[D]

Because right now one of them's inflated, one of them's deflated. It changes the aspect of the game. Yeah, it's kind of a circus game, which we enjoy.

[G]

Well, no, that's what we mean. The committee has to kind of deliberate as far as. Do we even want to have two balls that are the same? Do we like the. Does anyone. Two different balls in the game? Does anybody want to do that? It's just something we kind of have to. To trial and error here.

[H]

Pat and Fox here.

[A]

You guys are on fire.

[D]

We were on absolute fire yesterday.

[A]

So you beat AQ and Tone. Like, what's the score?

[D]

Yeah, we beat.

[A]

We don't need to know the score.

[D]

We beat Deb and D. Nobody's getting skunked, right?

[H]

No, nobody's ever been skunked.

[A]

Hold on, hold on.

[E]

Let nobody.

[G]

Foxy kind of go into the debone debut debacle. They face you.

[A]

I know. Debo never jumps when he tips. I know.

[D]

Well, yeah, New York's starting to make that a point of emphasis. Hey, you can't catch the ball and then jump. You have to jump, catch the ball, put it in. But yeah, we just had a really good day yesterday. And then Bone said, I'm so competitive and got really upset about it all and then drank a red bull at 6pm and ran out of here.

[E]

He did eat sour grapes.

[G]

He was sour grapes.

[A]

Wait, did he. Did he say the words, I'm so competitive?

[G]

Basically, he said, I haven't been in, like, a competitive setting in a long time.

[A]

So, like, he said, oh, I bet.

[H]

I would win if I played with a professional athlete. As he's playing with Darius Butler.

[A]

It was crazy with the professional D, but could play in the NBA right now.

[H]

His head off the top of the backboard multiple times.

[G]

Yeah. The best basketball player just all around by a mile can jump out of the gym.

[A]

He's deboned, partner. Yeah, but yeah, team Bone and butts. I thought they were dominant for a while. Where is D? Boner? He's over there making graphics.

[G]

He's not right now. He's slamming Pillow.

[A]

Oh. Because he's so competitive and he loves Too competitive. Oh, my gosh.

[E]

Yeah, you know how it goes.

[H]

He's probably got his.

[A]

I guess competitive people, that's what they do, man. Hit Michael Jordan. We saw Michael Jordan right here. Drained the free throw.

[I]

That.

[A]

That clip.

[G]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Did that come out before that, Foxy? I don't know if we have that, but Michael Jordan told the whole story to Mike Tico on NBC at halftime, which. Is that what it's going to be for the rest?

[H]

I don't know.

[G]

I'm hoping not. I. I still have faith that there's a chance they do a studio show and then he'll be at the studio once or twice.

[E]

I would guess that there's a chance it's going to be like Jeets when he was first on with baseball where it was basically like, yeah, I'm not doing any of the regular season, but when the World Series gets around, like, sure, I'll. I'll come out and be on the desk with you guys.

[A]

Is that the only time? Jesus. On the desk, Really?

[E]

I think he's done it a little bit more, but, like, when he first got hired. Yeah, it was like, hey, I'll be there for the big moments.

[A]

And credit to Michael Jordan for actually doing this. So he got an Airbnb, and then the guy. I don't know if it was contingent. When he booked the Airbnb, it sounded like, no, you bring your whole family out and everybody. Which is very, very nice of Michael Jordan to do. He doesn't have to do that. But he could. Not only did he meet him, take pictures, he comes out here and drain a free throw. And guess what? It was nothing but net. He was not lying to turn.

[G]

Yeah. It was a pure swish. He actually tells kind of sweet information about the free throw, too.

[A]

Did he?

[G]

Like, he explained the reasoning. The NBA moved the blocks out wider was because Will Chamberlain was, like, too big, scored 100. And basically. And then they also. He also explained why there's a little. Yeah, I. I think we're rewinding to it, but he. He kind of. It's tough to hear. So hopefully you can. We'll see.

[A]

Jacob.

[I]

Jacob.

[F]

How come they can go over this line when the.

[I]

They can. But you know where that line come from. The line used to be in.

[A]

Moved it out.

[H]

Right.

[I]

How close? Look at you.

[A]

Yeah. Lucas, we're back in a circle.

[I]

You remember the center circle? They didn't have it. W. Chamber used to take a drive. Take off and live. That was the free. So now you can't start the shot outside the center circle, and you can't break this line and kill it.

[G]

Yeah.

[I]

That's a real. Chamber.

[G]

Had no idea about it.

[A]

Say please make it.

[G]

Yeah. So cool.

[A]

That's pretty sweet. I mean, it is pressure. Yeah. Those little kids wearing Jordan jerseys. They never watched him play, obviously. No. You guys probably even watched him play.

[G]

Never. I never. I never saw. They definitely did NBC stuff with.

[A]

That was whole. They were smart.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Pulling out the old nostalgia situation.

[H]

896. And that was about, like, my. My first sports memory is the Marv Albert, Jim Harbaugh Hail Mary against the. Against the Steelers in 1995. So, yeah, I would have been watching MJ at that time.

[A]

I was watching Ty. You were watching Jordan, without a doubt. Sunday afternoons.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Felt like every Sunday. That's what was playing.

[E]

That's what I said the day after. I was like. Like I had like, the most intense deja vu of, like, sitting on my couch, like, being 7 years old, watching the Bulls play. Like it was insane.

[G]

Yeah. And they asked the players who were playing on NBC, like, what. Like, what do you remember from NBC basketball? And they're like, nothing.

[A]

I wasn't born at all.

[G]

Yeah, they're like, I didn't know they played basketball. And. And then someone just said, like, oh, Michael Jordan. And then they cut to the.

[A]

The Jordan.

[G]

Jordan thing. Man, the NBC thing is great. And it also has definitely raised the ESPN game too. The Chuck and Shaq.

[A]

Last night they said this is the. Didn't. Who said that? Shaq said, this is the real opening night. Yeah, last night, I believe, said that that was great.

[H]

Like that being on espn, the NBC, the Prime, Charles, is the prime pre game. Like all.

[E]

All the.

[H]

All of the deaths are really, really cool.

[A]

Yeah, see, I didn't see much of the prime stuff. Was the prime stuff.

[B]

It has happened.

[A]

Okay, good. I was wondering. Wouldn't run at the same time.

[G]

I think it's tomorrow.

[A]

How do we know which games are where?

[G]

So. Yeah, that's the thing you kind of.

[H]

Really look at up on your.

[G]

It feels as though Monday night is going to be NBC or Tuesday. Whatever the. Sorry, Tuesday. Tuesday is NBC. Yeah, here we go. So Sunday's NBC, Monday's Peacock. Tuesday, NBC. Peacock. Yeah. Then Wednesday. Espn. Tonight is espn, though the two games tonight, the Thunder, Pacers and Nuggets were. But looks like Prime's gonna normally be Thursday. Probably after football.

[E]

Yeah, I was gonna say. Yeah, that's after football.

[B]

Okay.

[G]

Yeah. And then Friday, prime, like I. I assume tomorrow and Saturday are the first two prime pregame shows, but do not. Do not take that as fact. I'm just guessing. Looking at tomorrow is.

[A]

Yeah, I know they. I know they played that with Chuck. Who, who they broadcast for which. Which person asked for which thing. It was pretty good. I don't know. I. I have genuine questions. Who. They all work for me too.

[H]

Like, he was so confused because he's like, they popped up Ali the force, who was the sideline person for all the. For all of TNT games last year and before. And he's like, Ali, she was with. She was with us last year, right? Then he guessed, so. So he just assumed that she went over to espn. But no, she's still with TNT doing like, just other sports.

[A]

And TNT doesn't have basketball, right?

[G]

No, no, not anymore.

[H]

But they have Colleges, they have college football and they have. Have they still baseball?

[G]

No.

[E]

Well, CBS does.

[H]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

They might have some March Madness. Maybe.

[A]

They do.

[G]

They do, sure. They definitely. And they get the ESPN sold some of the rights to the College Football Playoff. Yeah. Tony's point.

[A]

Everything is everywhere now.

[G]

It's crazy.

[A]

It's all over the place. To tough for old people like me, I guess to figure out where it is. I just got to ask young people.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, thank you. Please do. How old are you now, con man?

[G]

I'm 30.

[A]

Are you 30?

[G]

Yeah, I'm 30 years old.

[A]

You look great, Bill. How was bill over here? 29.

[G]

29.

[A]

You guys are all very young. You guys look good, though.

[H]

Bone and majority of the offense office is 30 at least. No.

[G]

Yeah. I think bone and mid are the only two under 30.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Besides Bill and Bill.

[G]

Well, yeah, but Bill's 40.

[E]

That is a good point.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

And you guys ever do that? You're real. Like you spilled to a cup or something. Or Tony, you probably threw him some semen. And they tell you your actual age?

[H]

Yeah, my real age, I'm about three. My body's three years older than I should be.

[G]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, so yours went the wrong way.

[H]

Yep.

[A]

I think like Kim Kardashian was talking about. Oh, I'm. She's 41, but it says she's 27.

[H]

I want to get back to my actual age.

[A]

How do you do that?

[H]

You work out, eat healthy, get sleep, drink water, all that stuff.

[A]

But if you do all that and it says you're 55, well, that won't happen.

[H]

That's not how science works.

[G]

And plus, if that happens, that means Holy. At 55, I'm going to be an ox.

[E]

True.

[A]

With that being said, I think we're going to wrap this one up. But you're right. Comment? I look forward to you. I hope I am around this earth when you are 55. We will be. I will watch you just. Just cracking skulls everywhere you go.

[G]

Thanks, man. I hope I'm not just cracking skulls. I hope I'm just kind of hanging out like fishing and stuff. But if we're practicing schools, that'd be cool, too.

[A]

Okay, good. Well, you know what, boys? I appreciate you guys. I, I will see you again tomorrow, actually.

[E]

Yes, you will.

[A]

I'll have a very safe drive home, thank you. Very safe drive back here and morning. I, I, I legit. I'm old enough now where I'm not dumb. I would never push through falling asleep.

[E]

I hope so.

[H]

Thank you.

[G]

The, the other thing is Too. Where we are at this point, the. The biggest danger is just driving on the highway. Aside from that.

[A]

You're right.

[G]

You're kind of. Okay.

[H]

Be safe. Cuz. I had a dream about you, so just be safe.

[A]

You did. Right before we came on air, Tone told me he thought I was going to die in the next like week and a half. Said he had a dream about me dying. Right. As soon as. Three, two, Bo.

[F]

Here we go.

[A]

We're live on air. And Tone. Oh, yeah. Hey. You're gonna die in nine or 10 days. I had a dream about Bud. All right, cool. I guess we'll just move on from the other one. Flush that one. But, Tone, I don't. You know, not all dreams are real.

[H]

No, they are.

[G]

Amen.

[H]

Especially mine.

[E]

Some dreams.

[I]

Nightmares.

[A]

That's true. Was it a nightmare for you or was it a dream that I was a nightmare? Okay.

[F]

I was a pallbearer.

[A]

How'd that.

[I]

Sick.

[G]

Congrats.

[A]

Yes, congrats.

[G]

It was sick.

[A]

Hopefully had your hat on too. Yeah. Sweet cowboy hat. Yeah.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you in the front? Right in the middle.

[G]

Mangle was in front of him just sobbing like a baby.

[H]

Yeah.

[G]

Which I understand. I was Bobby.

[A]

Drinking a beer.

[E]

Get a beer hat.

[A]

He would want this. A.J. would want me to have a good time. You know what, Bob? I would. I would.

[H]

Mr. Brown, owner of the Bengals, was one of them.

[A]

Kid, you messed. You guys, he was here for seven months.

[E]

You guys, you actually catered the meal afterwards from the Browns restaurant or the Bengals restaurant?

[G]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Restaurant down there. Beautiful. All right, boys.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Guys in the back. Appreciate you. Pete Rose. Yeah. Rip, he's watching down. Yeah.

[G]

He was with you.

[A]

Charlie Hustle.

[G]

Charlie Hustle. Took me through, baby.

[A]

Boys, bring it in. Bring it in here. Here we go, boys. We'll have a great one tomorrow. I'll be back with some great things going on. Pat will be in Nashville tomorrow for game day.

[G]

Good job today.

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