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PMS 2.0 1453 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 11 Recap, MNF Preview, Adam Schefter, Indiana QB Fernando Mendoza, Puka Nacua, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
Humble abode. The Thunderdome on this massive overreaction. Monday, November 17, 2025. This program begins now.
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Darius Butler
Football.
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Pat McAfee
It's magical in week 11. Sunday slate was spectacular. I mean, you talk stupendous. You talk magic. You talk what football can be. Yesterday was. And tonight week 11 wraps up on Monday Night Football as the Dallas Cowboys are three and a half point favorites traveling to the desert to take on the Las Vegas Raiders. Good luck to party's. Trying to follow what happened yesterday. This is one of those things where it's like the. The main entree just happened. How can you be a dessert to what took place? We shall see if Dak and Max Crosby on the same field will be exciting for three, four hours tonight on Monday Night Football. Will the Dallas Cowboys cover three and a half against a Las Vegas team that turns the ball over a lot and you know, not having their best year and obviously Pete Carroll's there, Chip Kelly's running the offense. Geno Smith leaves Seattle. Now Seattle is a whole nother conversation as well. Their quarterback just threw four interceptions yester. So did they make the right decision in the long run, we shall see. But Geno Smith and the Raiders have not been spectacular. The Cowboys, so much drama, so much controversy, but Dak Prescott, always good. So at least tonight should be able to light up the scoreboard. We shall hope in Las Vegas. The talks and tables here at Boston, Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Ty, congrats to your Green Bay Packers. Big win.
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Connor Campbell
Big win.
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Pat McAfee
That's a big win. Hey, John. Good football team.
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Ty Schmidt
Go football team. And bordering on a great football team when Jameis Winston's playing quarterback. So that's a great. That's a great team. Winning back on track. I love it.
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Pat McAfee
I don't know if you heard about this. He did the Harlem shake, you know. Oh, yeah. There were some Youngs that had no idea what that was. And do you know that the Youngs thought that that Harlem shake was that, like, vine video where everything was quiet and then it went crazy and did it. Come on. What? They forgot to. Yeah, yeah. And the guy who did it is sitting right next to me.
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Connor Campbell
No, no, that wasn't me.
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Pat McAfee
Yes, it was. Yeah. Yes, it was.
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Connor Campbell
Well, I mean, to be fair, the. The one video I saw, the background music was the do the Harlem.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, but it wasn't the dance. The dance. The Harlem shake. James went. Yeah, now he didn't do it.
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Darius Butler
Is that what that was?
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think so. I think so. He didn't do it as the cleanest as I've ever seen any human do anything.
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Connor Campbell
Sure.
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Pat McAfee
But his tour of New York. Awesome. Is only going to continue. I mean, he is Jamis Winston.
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Ty Schmidt
Exactly.
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Pat McAfee
He gave a pregame speech. He had a press conference. Obviously he did this. He did his thing. And they. They almost beat the Green Bay Packers. Yeah. Now they didn't. Which is obviously what we all assumed would take place. Green Bay packers, did you learn anything about your team? Are you guys going to be able to win a Super Bowl?
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Ty Schmidt
You think Jordan Love came through when he really needed to? His stats weren't the greatest, but it was very windy yester and he let him down through a huge touchdown pass. So seven drops is going to skew what his stat line looks like. But I'm very confident. Guess what? This is the packers team for a lot of the game on Sunday. They're going to make you want to, you know, take an ice pick and shove it into your eyes. But if they win, that's good by me.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. An ice pick is certainly quite a descriptor there on how you want to feel while you're watching them play. He throws this touchdown. Great play. Josh Jacobs gets injured, though, right in the game with a knee. That's a massive piece of the Green Bay packers offense. We'll certainly talk to Schefter here in a bit about that. Congrats to the packers. Surviving and advancing, getting a win and getting to next week. Let's go to one half of the hammer Done. Cowboys. AP Ton congrats. Your Pittsburgh, Stan, you're from the town with the great football team. Now, who's going to be your qb? Okay, so Aaron Rodgers injures his wrist in the middle of this game. First half of the game, Mason Rudolph gets into the game and does his thing. Now Aaron Rodgers is saying that he'll be back according to people close to him. Says Ian Rapoport. He was in the tunnel after the game, dapping everybody up. Clearly had something on his wrist. Obviously, anytime you get a nasty fall like that, it's going to be worry him that allegedly he wanted to get back in the game. They didn't let him get back in the game. Steelers still dominate the Cincinnati Bengals with Mason Rudolph. Tone your thoughts on how the game went, how the team goes and what this means for the Steelers in the future. You got the Bears next week, if I'm not mistaken.
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Tone Diggs
Yeah, it was vastly different than the first time we played the Bengals on Thursday Night Football, where Flacco went 38 of 40 and Jamar Chase had 37 catches for 400 yards this time with Kyle Duggan and Jalen Ramsey at safety. The defense has been much, much better the last three games that that's happened. So Flacco was not as good. Held him under 200 yards, got a six, but as far that was awesome. That was almost like the ab kicking the Browns punter right through the chest. Can't remember his name.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, it wasn't me. No, no, it was not. You know, but people put me in that position a lot. That was not me getting stepped on by Antonio Brown during a return which he has certainly done to people. Jaylen Warren doing that same thing early. Felt like the Steelers were maybe trying to set a tone and also I would like to point out grass. Not that ass.
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Tone Diggs
No grass look great.
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Pat McAfee
Grass looks great. Oper shout to the grounds crew at Aker. But Steelers get a big time win tone.
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Tone Diggs
Yeah, they did want to set a tone and specifically with that Darnell Washington catch where he just put four bangles into the ground, as you'll see here, he's the. He is awesome. He's quickly raising his level to one of my favorite Steelers of all time. He doesn't want to tackle me. Oh, he's going to try to punch it out. Nope, you're going to get tossed as tossed as well. Darnell Washington was awesome, but as you talked about, Mason Rudolph comes in. It's awesome to have a backup quarterback that is experienced and you know can win new football games because he has at this time of the year before. So no matter who the quarterback is, I feel confident going forward.
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Pat McAfee
34:12 Whenever the Bengals. The Bengals have a lot to figure out obviously going forward. We shall see. There was an incident that happened in this game that we'll definitely talk about here in a matter of moments and it is definitely a part of the first 15, nine year NFL event. Darius J. Butler looks incredibly cool. Miami Dolphins kick off Sunday NFL slate with a big time dub over in Spain. What a win for the Dolphins. Are they hot right now and where does the quarterback want to play?
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Darius Butler
Miami, I'm assuming back home. What are you talking about?
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Pat McAfee
No, no, it was a wall.
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Darius Butler
Spain.
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Pat McAfee
That's either he wanted to and he did. He played worlds, two worlds, Berlin and then they played in France playing England.
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Darius Butler
Hawaii. Man, him and Mariota.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Nonetheless, a lot of places he could have said. Could have said a lot of places. Just seemingly wants to live in his own world. Doesn't have a clue what's going on outside of it and if he does and he's just doing that to do all that. Interesting. Kind of need a new. Kind of need a new take on him. But other than that, Dolphins won a few games. They get rid of Chris Greer seemingly doing well. What are the vibes you think down in South Florida with this Dolphins vibes?
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Darius Butler
Got to be pretty good. You get a win obviously. You know all the distractions you got to deal with when you go across the water. But back to back wins now and everybody from the outside looking in, hey, we got to fire the coach, we got to fire the gm, we got to do this, we got to do that, get rid of Tua. So for the boys to rally and get a couple back to back wins kind of back against the wall. I'm proud of them. I know they're proud of them going forward. I think they can keep stacking wins and maybe be lurking when it's all said in the afc.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, we'll see if the Dolphins are lurking. Shout out to McDaniel getting an opportunity here. Also shout out to the other half of the Hammer Cowboys. Bubba Campino getting to experience Miami Dolphins merch throughout the season because he thought he was going to have to hang them up forever. He gets put it back on. Congrats to you. Having a great start to your Sunday.
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Tone Diggs
Gumpy all the way back. HN is unbelievable.
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Pat McAfee
Just keep pounding the rock every game, boys. Vilma and Kenny Albert to start our NFL Sunday slate. I loved everything the international games are done and to the international games, I think their stats coming out that all of them are close. We'd like to give a big Kenny Albert yes to what you were this season and yeah, we can't wait to come back. And yeah, we hope that the international games continue to grow and we appreciate the hell out of all the international fans who have taken a love to our sport, our game, our league. You people are awesome. Thank you for the passion. Shout out to you guys singing country roads everywhere too and crushing it and them not even singing it in Pittsburgh this past week.
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Ty Schmidt
What are you doing?
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Pat McAfee
Everybody sings that song. That was awesome. That was great reaction out of those yinzers. I really thought there was going to be a little bit of maybe sprinkled through there. Somebody would catch on. That was an immediate boom. No way. We're not doing that. Shout out to Pittsburgh for showing up on Saturday. Obviously I'm talking about the fans, not the team. Notre Dame kind of did their thing to the University of Pittsburgh football team. Notre Dame might be very, very, very good. Jeremiah Love special talent, obviously. Shout out to CJ Carr getting a Big time win. Aaron Donald getting his number retired at halftime. What was he trying to do, break my neck? What the hell was that? Was he trying to kill me out there? Old robbery. Now, he might have potentially gave me a heads up that if I was to pick against Pitt, there's a chance that he's going to throw me off the stage. And there might have been a little moment of me going, you wouldn't do that to me, would you? From Palm beach, from Penthouse. And then obviously you get a chance to kind of see him flex what he has. They showed a video before this of Aaron Donald. He's isolated chest benching 160 pound dumbbells. 160. That's 320 pounds. Both those 160 on each of the shoulders. Everything needs to be in there. And this is the moment where I told him, yeah, right, I can't pick bit. You're out of your damn mind. For the good of ball. And then, yep, go ahead and get the hell out of here.
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Darius Butler
Shit, I'm glad you're still out of your feet.
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Pat McAfee
Thank you. Yeah, like the cat. Nobody's talking about it. You know, someone say like a panther, but you know, I won that day. I'm like an Irishman.
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Darius Butler
Stay back there too.
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Pat McAfee
Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't know what the next steps were, but I knew I wasn't going to be a part of it. But I want to let Aaron Donald know we appreciate the hell out of you taking time out of your life to join us on college game day. Everybody that hung out with us that morning was special. That was a cool feeling, man. Rudy Subs comes through. My guy Greg, who's deaf, I didn't get a chance to give him the full high, you know. Thank you. Yeah, love you, man. Kind of get in there. Didn't get a chance to do that, but I appreciate him. Seraphino's obviously Italian, came through. Dallas Ellis pizza. He brought 120 slices. Pieces. Yeah. It was the first time I'd seen Seraphino's brought like dinner for 15. But they set it up out there. Rudy subs had like 30 subs out, set up there, all kind of diced up. Literally the first time I've seen all crew, production, everybody like kind of come through like a buffet style. And I think that's exactly how Pittsburgh people would want it to be. On the backside of that entire thing with the food. And then the crowd showed up in a big way. I got emotional a couple of different times, you know, because I don't I don't know if game day was supposed to go to Pitt. You know, I don't know if that was supposed to happen. Felt like there were some conversations that took place where it was like, hey, this could be special. Just right across from the point. As a boy, you know, as a boy growing up there, kind of seeing the whole city come alive for the good of football was sweet. So shout out to Pittsburgh and we're going back to Oregon. Feels like we're just there.
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Connor Campbell
Great.
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Pat McAfee
You were just there. Always a great environment. Always a great environment out there. Obviously, JMU was like a once in a lifetime type thing. A couple years ago. I think there was an opportunity to maybe travel there. Montana, Montana State, I think was happening in Montana this time, as opposed to Montana State, which, you know, the two cities, I don't want to get them wrong. Bozeman and Missoula. I do believe this one would have been in Missoula as opposed to Bozeman. So I think there would have been potential craziness. And then usc, Oregon, Oregon's fans, always awesome to college game day. But this particular game has massive College Football playoff implications, obviously. And there's a chance down a stretch. But just know that these conversations and decisions are made by, like, at the end of the day, I don't want to say one person, but it does feel as if one person makes this decision, and I am not that person. Neither is Tone. Nope. Neither is Ty.
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Connor Campbell
Don't tell him. Don't tell him. Don't.
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Pat McAfee
It's Connor Campbell. It's Connor Campbell.
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Tone Diggs
I heard on the Internet the reason Montana wasn't picked because Nick Fado couldn't be there. And you can't go without Nick Fado.
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Pat McAfee
So that was an interesting pick for pick up there. It was incredible. So cold.
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Connor Campbell
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Generators were dying off. Couldn't have the heaters, so I had to sacrifice the heaters or the connection. You know, that's what he kind of had to get rid of. So set heaters kind of dropped off the thing because we couldn't connect anything. And watching the production crew of game Day, who are a bunch of dogs, all the people that work the truck drivers, the camera people, the audio people, the rule men is on stage, but all the stage people, like they're beasts. These people are setting up a live show in the middle of, like, nowhere in a lot of different situations. I have no idea how many people have been live to the world from Roberto Clemente Park. Work right there. Now, granted, you can connect to whatever, but just the ability to pull this thing off. That was the first time I did see a little panic on a lot of those people's faces. We're losing power quickly and we are not able to be connected. And it is only getting cold around here. They had shirtless whites, obviously, which is starting.
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Connor Campbell
That was nuts.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, it's only growing even more. Montana was special. Montana was special. Every sign basically was saying, don't move here. Okay. It was all in Montana. They're using college game day as a way to tell the rest of the police, like, hey, stop. We know, it's awesome. Please place just kind of. Can we take it easy? Stop moving here. Then Nick Fowler gets introduced as a guest picture. Hey, Nick, what's your time in Montana? Moved here like three months ago. Everyone should boo. Get this guy the hell out of here. He handled himself like a gentleman, but Montana was sweet. JMU was amazing. Oregon, every time we've been there has been a spectacular scene. But I do know there was other, you know, places that certainly wanted it. And it's so cool to be a part of something like that. And those are once in a lifetime stuff that could have been experienced again. Usc, Oregon, obviously, massive game. Oregon people have been good to us. So that's. I don't want to speak for everybody that's on the stage that gets blamed for where these things go, you know, but I think that is kind of how it all goes. Now. Speaking of how it goes, we have a segment every single Monday, every single overreaction Monday. Sorry about the top five headlines coming out of the Sunday slate. Now, we don't like to do scripted stuff. You know, we're kind of just a free flowing conversation daily. It causes us to step into some stuff every. Okay. If we were more structured, we probably wouldn't be in the conversations that end up happening about us on a regular basis. Maybe even the jeopardy. Clue question. You know, if everything was a little bit more scripted and structure. But we feel candid conversation is the best way to go about learning about stuff, entertaining about stuff, and informing people about stuff. So we don't normally do this, but we said we're a football show. We need to do what football teams do. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15. Now this is driven by Ram. It's not first 15 minutes. No, it's first 15 scripted plays that we have. In our case, it's the first five, the big five headlines coming out of a Sunday slate. We put the clock down the corner last week. I think we won 40 some minutes. We'll see how this one goes. Start the clock right now. Number five headline coming out of week 11 Sunday slate Da Bears, Da Kings of Da North. Now, we got a big number four right there on the top left corner of that particular graphic. But it is number five on a headline, and that just tells you the headlines have been fluid this morning. We've been trying to learn about what the top five are. And the Bears getting a shout out is certainly warranted of the conversation. Caleb Williams and his Bears team are doing something special. Ben Johnson came into Chicago with a whole culture that he had to shift, a whole culture he had to change. And what did he do? He did it. First couple weeks weren't easy. First couple weeks weren't easy. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these guys never going to get along. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these men never going to be able to be a winning tandem in Chicago. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, will they ever see the same. One guy wears fingernail polish, the other guy wants to run his face through any wall that he sees. Are they going to be able. They have. And they are now the kings of the NFC North. With week 11 just wrapping up for them. Now, it's not just their offense, it's not just their defense. It's their special teams as well. Fourth quarter, down one. Minnesota Vikings thought they had a massive win. J.J. mcCarthy makes some huge throws in the fourth quarter. Huge completion. Jordan Addison goes absolutely crazy. Big return. The Chicago Bears. Kyro Santos stakes one in the left. Now, it looked like that thing was hooking. Somehow that thing stayed true, and now the Chicago Bears are sitting at a wonderful 73 record as the top of the NFC North. D Butch when you see the Chicago Bears team, there's some stats you need to look at. That's their fifth win when they're trailing in the final two minutes. That's tied with the 2016 Lions and the 2011 Broncos for the most since the 1970 merger. Okay, so that is literally just already historic. We got a lot of games left to play in this entire thing. Their defense, good at everything. Defense is unstoppable. Special teams making kicks, big returns. Tory's a great punter. Can the. Can the Chicago Bears win a Super bowl right now? Is Ben Johnson showing up as the bell of the ball in a coaching cycle for good reason? He immediately gets there in the midway. The monsters of the midway are all of a sudden back in super bowl conversations.
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Darius Butler
I don't know if we put them in super bowl conversations just yet, but we know getting to the super bowl starts getting A playoff game, A playoff home game at that. And they're in position to win their division. And we talked about how would this marriage work, how would Caleb Williams operate in this Ben Johnson offense? He's still figuring that out. But this defense, you mentioned it. Dennis Allen, leading the league right now in takeaways. Got three guys right at the top of the league with Byer, Edmonds and Wright when it comes to leading league and interceptions. And they picked on nine, J.J. mcCarthy, whoever the hell was out there throwing the ball, even though he did stick with it, he did get stay in the fight and make some plays late. They figured out you mentioned that third phase of the game, and this is the dynamic kickoff showing the impact on games and their outcomes because they had a chance to win the game. The Vikings, they went up a point and then boom. In one play of the game, you kick it. DuVernay comes out and bring it to midfield and they figure it out.
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Pat McAfee
You know, the president hates to kick off, but on that note, have to throw a strike. It's like baseball tie.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
You have to land it in the strike zone. Basically. You have to get out of the game. You have to cover a kick. Now, granted, there's going to be teams that don't like it, but the Chicago Bears view Liz and opportunity and they get exactly what they're looking for. They probably knew old buddy had been kicking it into the corner. They get a stretch, take that thing wide side field, couple good blocks, three good blocks, and all of a sudden they're wide ass open, getting almost back in the field goal range. And Cairo Santos been kicking a long time. Football gods blessed him on that one. Football gods blessed him on that. That thing was hooking. Then it almost appears if the football gods just kind of blew it in there because they saw some of the throws JJ was making, making, and they were saying, hey, listen, this thing cannot win. Okay? And that ball, that ball's still moving while he kicks it. Go back and go back a little bit. I did not know that ball was still spinning. So that ball is still kind of spinning from Tory here as he's trying to fix Lacey's directly, right. Whenever he catches it, he's trying to spin it. Normal miss. Okay, so even more so.
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Connor Campbell
Wow.
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Pat McAfee
Ball spinning like that, very hard to kick. I mean, obviously you're trying to hit a sweet spot. Sweet spot is moving while you're kind of kicking it. I would. I don't fake stats 87% of the time. That is a miss. Okay, that. That is certainly a miss. Especially with the ball moving. So Cairo's ment toughness to stick through that kick without giving up and bailing on it, crazy. But I think once again, it's the football gods. I think it was the football gods saying, nah, this, this guy's throwing a ball in the front row, first row stance. Yeah, this guy's throwing a check down 14 yards over this guy's head. We cannot allow him to win. Now, I think JJ in big moments needed a touchdown through one. Yep. JJ needs one. He does it. So if JJ can do what he does late in games, in the biggest moments throughout the entirety of the game, I think the Vikings have something special, you know, and that's kind of what they say about nine. That's what they say about JJ and on the flip side, side, Caleb Williams does Caleb Williams every single week. That offense is obviously going to be very dynamic no matter what, because the way Ben Johnson can kind of script things up and play the defense, he talked about it insane. Are the Green Bay packers and everybody else in the North a little scared of the Kings, which could be the Bears for What, the next 20 years of Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson?
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Ty Schmidt
Ty, I don't know if I'd say scared, but at this point, like it's, it's no longer a fluke. Like the proof is in the pudding. I think most fans in the NFC north just assumed going into the season we understood Ben Johnson was the, the.
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Connor Campbell
Bell of the ball.
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Ty Schmidt
But it's, it's like we've seen this with the Bears time and time again over the last several years. So. But now it's to the point like they win these close games. And I think what we've seen is that stuff typically, I don't know if you can play a whole year and sustain that, but that stuff doesn't usually flip in a year. It'd be like next year is the year where they lose all these one score games. Like they're doing it and like you mentioned, I mean they have a pretty tough schedule ahead of them, but all like they just continue to win. This is not a team you want to see, you know, have the ball down a point or to in the fourth quarter.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, they're very calloused. You know, they got a lot of close games here. You have each division leader, okay. In the NFC and the road that they have left. You talk about that Chicago Bears team. We got Steelers, Eagles, packers, bronze. Now that's at home. If that was in Cleveland, that's a whole different ball game. And I don't know how we. I don't know how I missed it on Friday. I don't know if you saw that when I was talking about the Browns Ravens. I didn't even put together that that was going to be a night game. 405 kickoff in Cleveland. That's going to be a night game. They're going to have lights on there. Cleveland's defense in Cleveland like historic. That's a tough out like for anybody that's going to be even if their record remains what it is, which is not another win. Like three wins, two wins, whatever it is. Four wins. Who knows what they're going to do at quarterback.
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Darius Butler
What do you mean?
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Pat McAfee
They need to play all three quarterbacks every single alternate snap all week. All week they need to do that. But the Bears. Bears. You talk about the packers twice obviously NFC north football Lions last week. Niners are in there. Brock Purdy looked unbelievable then the Philadelphia Eagles is the Philadelphia Eagles and the Steelers might just found it. So when you talk about a hard road to the playoffs if the Chicago Bears are still the kings of the north by the end of this run right here, let's assume they're going to win da Super Bowl. Yeah.
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Tone Diggs
They are currently third longest. Sorry third shortest odds to win the North Green Bay and Lion and the Lions are still ahead of the Bears to win win the division.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. And I think it's because of the road you just saw shout out to the Bears though. And if your team is asked and has been asked for a long time you should view the Bears right now. They might just lay an egg down the entire.
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Connor Campbell
Yeah.
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Darius Butler
What the hell.
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Pat McAfee
So what's that?
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Darius Butler
The Titans just irrelevant.
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Connor Campbell
They can no longer win the division statistically.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. So the sports book say we won't even let you.
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Darius Butler
Have we. Have we seen this week 12 yet.
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Pat McAfee
I'm sure there's been some ass teams in.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Connor Campbell
And lions row and 13 I think.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. And. And eight browns I think we were owing 13 at one point. The Colts as well. Remember those days I really. You weren't here. You came after those days. You don't even know brother. You didn't even know.
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Darius Butler
Browns still a chance.
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Pat McAfee
Browns yeah still a chance for sure for the Browns. That one seems going to get dark soon too. You know that one's potentially going to get out of there soon. But the Bears long road. Good luck to them. And currently Duckings are D North. So let's celebrate the fact that you can be ass for a long time and then beat the Kings very soon. I guess Chicago's showing that now. Let's go to the number four headline, shall we? Oh, did you see it?
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Connor Campbell
Wow.
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Pat McAfee
Did you see it? There's been a Josh Alien Allen sighting. This dude is not from here. This man looks like a big country bumpkin, doesn't he? Oh, yeah. He's got huge hands. Bigger than the average Joe. Bigger than the bigger Joe.
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Tone Diggs
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
He's got more athleticism than the average average. More athleticism than the athletic Joe. This man's taller than the. This man's taller than the taller dude's got a better arm than the average. This dude's got a better arm than a super arm. Having Joe.
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Tone Diggs
Yep.
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Pat McAfee
This guy's special, Montana. This guy's mvp, huh? This guy's historic. This guy's legendary. And he's doing things that only he has done in the past. Anytime they're saying, hey, this is like the second time in history, finger roll to Dion Dawkins. Good celebration, team chemistry seemingly very high. But whenever you're the mvp, everybody thinks like, okay, how are you going to top that? How are you going to top that? Had hard knocks. How are you going to showcase that? Big celebrity wedding. This guy's super celebrity now. He's more than just football player, remember?
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Ty Schmidt
That's right.
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Pat McAfee
He's reading lines, you know, he's doing other stuff. I'm not just a football player. I guess I'm a little bit more than that. Let's go ahead and pull that. Let's run that. This guy's not focused. Yeah, right. Him and Otto Graham are the only ones in the history of the game to go for three touchdowns on the ground, three touchdowns in the sky in the same game. He's done it twice. Otto's only done it once now. At the beginning of this game, it felt like the Bucs defense had him. And at the beginning of the New England Patriots game, it felt like the Bucs defense had Drake. I'm starting to look in. I don't have a stat that. Hashtag stat that. But I'm starting to wonder, did the Tampa Buccaneers throw everything they have at a quarterback in, like, the first quarter? And then it's kind of sink or swim, and the good quarterbacks are able to figure it out. The bad quarterbacks are going to end up dying. Let's keep an eye in a nose to the grind set on that particular story about the Bucs defense, which certainly did their thing early. But whatever you think about what Josh Allen was able to accomplish for the rest of the game and what Josh Allen was Able to do this guy's special talent. And think back to. We talked about the Bears being asked. For the last 10 years, Josh Allen was kind of ass. First couple years of his NFL career, guy couldn't throw a damn thing. We're talking about JJ McCarthy throwing balls into the first row, second row, fourth row. I saw one of them.
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Ty Schmidt
JK yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Josh Allen was the same. I mean, Josh Allen had no idea where the ball was going. Could throw it a long way, could throw it very fast if he wanted to. Had really no clue where it was going. They bring in Stefan Diggs. He works his ass off in the off season. He gets better and better and better, but never loses his humility or his edge. Gains a football iq, I think, through all of the different reps. And he's still untackleable, D. But this guy's an alien.
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Darius Butler
He's unbelievable. He's unbelievable.
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Pat McAfee
Isn't he a little bit too relatable? Maybe when he talks, he's kind of funny. He's charming. He's got personality.
- [24:54]
Darius Butler
Teammates love him.
- [24:55]
Pat McAfee
He does. You know, D. No, he does. D's notch jokes.
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AJ Hawk
Yes, he does.
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Pat McAfee
You know, he does all these things that make it appear as if he's, oh, we'll be a rancher. We'll go get a couple hundred acres or a thousand acres or whatever. Don't never expect it. This guy could be an alien just dancing in disguise of a big country bumpkin idiot who just happens to be outrageously good at football and leadership, it seems.
- [25:18]
Darius Butler
Yeah, you're never out of it. When you have a quarterback like Josh Allen, reigning MVP for a reason. And look, you can look at his supporting cast. A lot of people say, be saying it for years. You don't have the good enough pieces, talented enough pieces around him. But I like the stable running backs they have with Cook and Ty Johnson. What he does in the past game shavers, he kind of broke out this game, had a big time game. This game was an unbelievable back and forth with Baker and Josh, but he just took it by the horns. And three touchdown passes, three touchdown rushes. You would think like a Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson or one of these quarterbacks has done it. Whenever you've done some shit in the NFL that hasn't been done since the 1950s, that's very, very impressive. And take care. You know, he threw two interceptions twice. Yeah. Last year against the Rams as well. And doing it again here and just putting the team on his back. That's what they needed. That's what he needed. So Big time play, big time win big time game from Josh Allen. Josh Alien once again.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. This guy's other worldly. Can they win a Super bowl is what everybody asks. I don't know. There's some stats and tributes that a team needs or attributes that a team needs to be able to win a Super Bowl. Especially what we're looking into. Do the Buffalo Bills have that right now? I don't know about all of them, but I do know the quarterback in the afc.
- [26:26]
Darius Butler
That last piece, those last few plays, those like design run plays that Joe Brady kind of called more of so tough on the defense because you pick up an extra blocker and it really becomes 11 on 11. Down here you're first and goal. Down here you just going to quarterback sweep to the right. Like that's tough for a defense because you still have to account and go with James Cook and do all this other shit. And you got 17 who's just as good as any. You know, top paid running back in the league when it's in the open field. So that's an unbelievable weapon for them now down in that red area.
- [26:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And I like how excited he's is. Very rich.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. Married celebrity. Be able to figure it all out. Already accomplished, you know, hasn't won a Super bowl yet. Obviously everybody will talk about that. But still like visibly emotional and passionate about the game is what I love. That was the same about Stefan Diggs last week. Whenever he jumped up and did the onside kick, I'm like, hey, that's a decision. That is a decision that was made by a guy in a moment and there's obviously business decisions that have happened over the time. Josh Allen's still fully invested in being a guy and it's obvious the AFC east is starting to get big. Two of the top three odds on favorites for the MVP come out of the AFC east con, man.
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Connor Campbell
Yeah, Josh Allen is always going to have the Bills in it. He really is one of those guys where no matter who your quarterback is, Josh Allen is still kind of the prototype. He is filthy. I mean you really don't see to Darius point a lot of guys at quarterback running QB power with never a question if they're going to get in the end zone or not. When he runs that power, it is kind of just okay, that's a layup. If there are, you know, seven guys in there and he needs to make one miss or he needs to carry one mission into the end zone, it's amazing. I think I even can say this with Bill's fans agreeing with me. Them not being able to stop the run will bite them in the ass. It is inevitable. You're talking about, you know, New England. Sure. But look at the Colts. The Colts have the mvp, you know, Jonathan Taylor. Could you imagine what Jonathan Taylor would do to a Bills defense who just let Sean Tucker, a third string running back, run for 110 yards?
- [28:18]
Pat McAfee
I'm hoping it. I'm hoping it. But on the flip side, we got to see that alien day, which is basically the entire story of the games, I guess. And you're right. I think Buffalo Bills fans would say the same thing as UConn, man. I think they would say we don't have the pieces on the D line to be able to figure this out. Can they scheme that D? But can you scheme your way into being a better tackling defense?
- [28:36]
Darius Butler
No, no, no. You gotta have. You gotta have the personnel. You gotta. I mean, scheme helps, coaching helps, but you need the personnel out there. Especially when it gets to real nut cutting time down and late in the season.
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Pat McAfee
All right, let's go to the number three headline coming out of the weekend in our eyes Speed a study on saliva Sullying the sport. What's the word solely mean? You say, hey, what do you, what do you mean by sullying something? Well, solely means to damage the purity or integrity of or to defile. Okay. Seems like sully was actually the perfect word to describe this particular spitgate. Now let's go to the game in question. Cincinnati Bengals. Pittsburgh Steelers. Long Rob. There's been famous fights in the past in this particular series that have caused playoff games to go a different direction. You're talking about AFC north heat. You're talking about the toughness of Cincinnati and toughness of Pittsburgh. Two newer guys, two said rivalry. Jamar Chase obviously been there for a couple years with Cincinnati Bengals. Jalen Ramsey just got traded. Pittsburgh Steelers. He's playing safety now full time. And it feels like that's probably the position that he should have been playing for a long time. They'll be able to do a lot with him. The one thing that'll be constant with Jalen Ramsey, you though, he's always going to be up in your.
- [29:47]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
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Pat McAfee
And Jamar Chase didn't love that. I guess there was constant bickering and then it came to a head right here. And when you see Jayla Ramsey said, I don't think so. He says to the ref, did you see that? Did you see that? And Austin Brisky says, you know what? I don't think you guys saw it. Let's go ahead and zoom this in a little bit more. Wow. Now, Jamar Chase was asked about this after the game in the locker room, and this is how it went down. God. So just be clear, you did not spit on him. That's what he's saying. I ain't spit on nobody. Okay, so then that leads to the question, is there a chance that Jamar Chase speaks like Sergeant Slaughter? Is there a chance that he had no idea that he hawked a massive loogie onto Jalen Ramsey? And he happened to do it low, too? So he hit some skin. You see, this is starting to become a thing. You got the visor here, you got the. I'm gonna make sure I get in there. Maybe Jamar Chase is just a spitty to talker, an active speaker, and that, that loogie that clearly came out of his mouth on the Jalen Ramsey was just a part of him. You maybe can't have it. Maybe. Maybe it caught him. You know what I'm saying?
- [30:56]
Connor Campbell
Piece of poop.
- [30:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, maybe a piece of poop or whatever the case is. And if he's able to breathe and run with that much saliva in his mouth naturally, that's a feat in of itself. And they should do a sports science resting on piece on everything he's doing. Jalen Ramsey said, yeah, he's lying. He spit on me.
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AJ Hawk
So it's up.
- [31:15]
Connor Campbell
I don't get about football after that.
- [31:17]
Pat McAfee
Respectfully. Respectfully, of course. He spit on me, so it's up. So, like, football is kind of behind it there. So let's just chit chat about this a little bit. There does seemingly become a line in things that are allowed and not allowed happens in combat sports. You'll see, like something said, something's done where they're like, you want too far. You want too far. Feels like everybody in competitive sports agrees that spitting is just something you don't do. Especially in the face of somebody. It's just the biggest sign of disrespect that you could possibly do. And after hearing what Jalen said and watching what Jamar Chase did and Jamar has to deny until he does.
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Tone Diggs
Sure.
- [31:51]
Pat McAfee
Has to. And he might even say, I'm at the court date. He might act like that's how he speaks in this entire thing. But D, bud, this is not multiple times we've seen it this season. And it's also multiple times that we've heard everybody basically say, yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. If somebody's gonna spit in your face. It feels like that's just kind of the reaction we all expect if you get spit on.
- [32:10]
Darius Butler
Yeah, that's what's surprising to me. We all saw it with the Jalen Carter one early in the season and before that Dak has spit on the ground, which shows you how, you know, just disrespectful the act is. Now when it actually touches you, whatever the response is is kind of warranted. I think we all agree on that. But that's the most disrespectful thing you can do. This is something that as a player, I don't think I've ever been involved in a game where it actually happened. That's how rare it is. Like, and now we have like this resurgence. We had it here, we had it in college, I think that same week when Jalen Carter did it. So just something you can't do. And obviously, you know, Jalen Ramsey, you want to be out there for your team. You don't want to, you know, he's a vet, he's been an all Pro, he's a Super bowl champ. He wants to be out there.
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Pat McAfee
But how would his team look at him if he didn't do.
- [32:51]
Darius Butler
Yeah, I mean, you got you. I mean it's tough. You put in a tough spot to react that way. So Ja' Marr Chase, the precedent has kind of been set with Jalen Carter being suspended. I hate calling for guys to be suspended by, but if you do it to that guy, you kind of have to set the standard because you can't just have guys spitting on people.
- [33:06]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, I mean, we talked about a little bit with Darren Payne last week. I'm assuming his game check number is massive. Now it is the first year of a massive deal, I believe, or second year, but. So maybe the guarantees are a little less. But when the one game suspension does get dropped, because that is going to happen, people need to remember like, hey, this also comes with a huge number. I think depending on whatever the guarantees were at signing.
- [33:28]
Pat McAfee
I, I, I ain't spoiling nobody. So you're have to watch the tape.
- [33:32]
Ty Schmidt
We did pretty clearly.
- [33:35]
Pat McAfee
I don't see it. Well here they zoomed in and there's an alternate angle. Oh, that's me talking right there. That's me. Everybody knows me knows. That's how I talking about Hawk too. That's how I talk. Jaylen Ramsey, though, becoming tone setter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If he was to get spit on and didn't respond. Tough day in the office today. Going into the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. So I, I mean, that is a, a. That is a. You know, that's a six, seven.
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Tone Diggs
There was a lot of Steelers fans that were upset at the time because it was a crucial point in the game. They were getting get off the field. Obviously, they get a first down and then soon as the video came out of them spitting on them, they're like, oh, that's fine.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, you should have actually.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
One of those actually can't be just spitting on people. So there's a suspension coming. We all assume watch after here in a matter of months. Let's go to the second. Second headline coming out. Oh, no. What did this. You need to see. There's a question mark here. Okay.
- [34:28]
Tone Diggs
Big one.
- [34:28]
Pat McAfee
The Chiefs is not the Chiefs question mark. Put the question mark in there because we would like an out. Okay. If down the road here in the next few weeks, the Kansas City Chiefs figure out how it'd be a great football team that we know the Kansas City Chiefs can be.
- [34:42]
Darius Butler
It's possible.
- [34:43]
Pat McAfee
Okay. And if somebody's going to quote this and put it out there, we would like full context that that question mark is larger than all the other letters that are on the graph. There is a chance that this Chiefs figures it out. Okay. There's a chance that Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes still, which we all agree that he is. And none of us are saying it's Patrick Mahomes fault. But this Chiefs team just doesn't look like the Chiefs team now. Is that because of who they were playing against and the greatness of the team that is potentially about to become the team of the AFC West? Is the Denver Broncos defense exactly what everybody said it was going to be going into the season? Is Bo niche everything that Sean Payton said he was going to be once he got drafted there? Is the offense in clutch time able to make any play that anybody in the NFL was able to make? Yes. And is their kicker going to guarantee a make whenever push comes to shove? Yeah. So they got all the pieces. They got big play, Bo Knicks making all the plays whenever they need it. He seemingly never rattled. He can run and make everything. They got weapons outside. They got pieces everywhere. And then their kicker is going to make the kick. I think now he's like 15 or 17 or something like that. Or maybe 16 of 18. Went under Sean Payton whenever it comes to the final 10 seconds of a game. Game for having to make a kick to tie or to win. Will Lutz was with Sean Payton in New Orleans. He's with him now in Denver. And it's like, Patrick Mahomes, we all agree, goat conversation, goat talk. Chiefs in the middle of a dynasty. We all agree that that's happened. Or is the dynasty over? D. But they put a stat up on Sunday Night Football. Shout out to this particular stat. One score games last season, 12, 0. This season, oh and 5. And then I saw a bunch of people tweeting me whenever I said, what the hell is going on? We had a bunch of statisticians come in. This regression to the mean. This is a regression to the mean. That's what this is. I saw a bunch of people acting like, you doofus. Obviously, after what happened last week, there's a lot of super intellectuals attacking me for everything. This is regression to me. That's what this is, you idiot. Everybody's saying this is natural now. We've seen it with teams in the past who had the football gods blessing them heavily one way one season, then the next year completely turning against them. But it felt like the football gods had been blessing the Chiefs just 10 years almost. So them just completely flipping it right now and losing all these close games. D. But is this the thing? Is the story of the one score games? They can't get it done at the end where they usually would be able to? Or is it a full game type thing where they're just not the team we thought they were? And I have a question mark.
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Darius Butler
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Next to me saying the Chiefs. Yeah. Is not the Chiefs. Do you.
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Darius Butler
Yeah. I. I don't like going against the program, but I don't have a question mark. I'm going, what exact exclamation point? So no. But yeah, let. Yeah, let me. Yeah. Cause I just worked hard on this for the last 27 seconds.
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Connor Campbell
Put it next to the booth.
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Darius Butler
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
You can put it up on there.
- [37:25]
Connor Campbell
Get it up on there.
- [37:26]
Pat McAfee
Put up on there if you want.
- [37:27]
Ty Schmidt
There it is.
- [37:28]
Connor Campbell
Oh my God.
- [37:28]
Darius Butler
Wow.
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Pat McAfee
Boom.
- [37:29]
Darius Butler
Exclamation. The Chiefs aren't the Chiefs.
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Pat McAfee
They ain't.
- [37:32]
Darius Butler
I mean, look, they just played the Broncos. We've seen in this Patrick Mahomes era, they never lose to AFC west opponents. They always dominate AFC west opponents. Especially what's today, November 17th. Patrick Mahomes, the Chief. They don't lose in November. This is when they get hot. This is when they start rolling toy.
- [37:50]
Pat McAfee
Hella.
- [37:50]
Darius Butler
Now we're.
- [37:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, now we're Exactly.
- [37:52]
Darius Butler
Now we're five and five right here. Sitting at 500 a week. Like, this isn't the Chiefs. This ain't the team Patrick Mahomes. They're not getting it done. There were spots where they could have hit some big time plays. They even got bailed out with a pick six and got called back from Baron on a bullshit penalty. But the Broncos made the plays. They made the plays kind of all year long and definitely late in the game when you expected, hey, it's 13th, it's a close game. Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, they're going to find a way to win this type of game. McMillan played an unbelievable game. Had a sack, had to pick. This defense is absolutely. Yeah, this defense is dominant. They've been dominant all year long. Boat Knicks, this offense still got to figure it out. I think they will. But now I'm out on the Chiefs for this year. You know, look, we've had dynasties that have taken some years off from dominating. For this year. I don't think we'll see the Chiefs making a run.
- [38:36]
Tone Diggs
When those people talk about like regression to the mean with the Chiefs being 12, 0 and 1 score games last year.05 this year. Yes, that is a thing. For normal teams like the Vikings the one year went 10 and 0 or whatever one score games and then went completely defeated next year. The commanders last year I believe were undefeated in one score games and definitely aren't rookie quarterback. But that's not the Chiefs. When you're, when you are good teams like this and even the Eagles this year, like you get like that's just what you do. You win really close games. So for them saying regression, I mean this. No, this is like completely something that is not normal.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. And you talk about the Denver team being really good. So maybe it's not just the Chiefs, but maybe it's just the Denver team. Here's a Hembo stat about them out sacking their opponent. This is the sack differential for them and obviously against them for Bo Nicks, they're plus 22 right now or sorry plus 36, which is better. 22 better than the next person. 4, 9 sacks, 13 sacks allowed. Bo Nix doesn't get sacked and they sacked the quarterback and it's coming in bunches from everywhere. So I'm not saying that the Chiefs is not the Chiefs. Okay. Like my friend D Bud here, I'll be honest, it's going to be a tough road if they is still the Chiefs right now.
- [39:39]
Connor Campbell
Yeah. And it was impressive watching Bo Nicks do this. This was his best game. I feel like by far he really didn't turn the ball over and it was in the biggest game. Like feel much better about Bo Nicks today. Than we did last Friday after that Raiders game. But they just pulled up the the kind of wild card situation the Chiefs are looking at now. It's the Jags have the tiebreaker over Kansas City. The Bills have the tiebreaker over Kansas City. So I'm also with you. There's still definitely a question mark, but. And you could say like, oh well, I could easily see the Chiefs finish in 12 and 5 and kind of rolling through the rest of the schedule. And then you realize they play the Colts next week off a buy. And it's like, you know, on that note, it's tough.
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Pat McAfee
Number one storyline off a buy. Wait, Colts wins.
- [40:23]
Connor Campbell
What?
- [40:24]
Pat McAfee
Boom. I learned it yesterday. I was watching you play. All right. It's not the actual real one.
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Connor Campbell
Okay, okay. Fair.
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Pat McAfee
Please put up the real one. Thank you. The NFL's final played it. Now I would like to say the Colts win the Super Bowl. Still could be a one. Yeah.
- [40:40]
Ty Schmidt
Good.
- [40:41]
Pat McAfee
After what I watched yesterday, nobody stopped. Okay. And there's a couple really good defenses out there which we'll certainly dive into in a moment. But Danny Dimes got figured out. Jonathan Taylor do his thing. But on that note, the NFL, remember just a couple weeks ago had its biggest ass shite day it's had in like 55 years. Yesterday we're tying records on how great of a game it was or games they were. Five teams one on the final play. That ties the record for the most on a single day in NFL history. Seven teams came back to win in the fourth quarter to win. That's the most since 2022. That top for the most in NFL history. So whenever you think about hanging around and does this game over, is it still something we want to pay attention to? Yes. And then the final play from the opening whistle to the final kick. This thing is going to be intriguing. That's exactly what the NFL wants. That's why the numbers are all up and to the right for the NFL. Texans Matthew Wright. I'm sorry, here's Carolina Panthers Riley. Ryan Fitzgerald hits a game winner against the Falcons. Now this is obviously a rookie coming out of Florida State. Hits a big time win. Carolina Panthers Bryce Young breaks all time record throwing for 448 yards. Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers might have figured it out. There's another game winner here that happened. Foxy will pick the order here. That we will go in. Boom. Houston Texans Matthew Wright hits a game winner over the Tennessee Titans down in Nashville. Nashville. Now the Cam Ward led Tennessee Titans season is not great. They've already fired a Coach, it's kind of ass down there, but they were in this one until Matthew Wright hits a game winner. Will Lutz obviously just hit for Denver, Cairo Santos for Chicago against Minnesota where it feels as if it's hooking and then the football gods blow it back in there and then Riley Patterson hits a game winner for the Miami Dolphins in Spain. So five game winners to wrap up games. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, gentleman is a man who is an absolute stud when it comes to knowing things that everybody else doesn't. Senior NFL Insider for espn. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Thank you for joining us. I know you caught the tail end of our first 15 there. Let's talk about it. The Chiefs is not the Chiefs. That is what D Bud is saying. Is that what you're hearing from around the league? Nobody's scared of the Chiefs anymore. People don't think the Chiefs are the big bad wolf coming to town. Speaking of big bad wolf, that guy's sitting in a jail right now watching this Chiefs team lose one score games is the Chiefs. Not the Chiefs anymore.
- [43:09]
Adam Schefter
She pat, they've won nine straight division titles and barring something unforeseen, they're not going to make it 10. They're just not going to be able to do that at 5 and 5 with Denver sitting there right now as the number one seed in the AFC at 9 and 2. They're four games behind the Broncos already having lost to them. They're behind the Chargers having lost to them. And so they're in a situation where, look, you take a look right there. I mean, I don't know how they're going to win that division. Like the goal right now for Kansas City is to make the playoffs, get back in the playoff picture and then see if you go in three games on the road.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, we'll see what the Chiefs are able to do. Obviously with Patrick Mahomes, it's hard to rule them out of anything, especially with Andy Reid and everybody else to have. Let's move along here to other storylines. Injuries obviously becoming part of the stories quickly for a lot of teams. Lane Johnson obviously a staple, a pillar of that Philadelphia Eagles offensive line. Liz Frank injury is what I read on the Internet four to six weeks. What are we hearing about Lane and what's likely future for him and the Eagles? Shefty.
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Adam Schefter
Yeah, I think it's going to be challenging for him to return in the regular season. I think that the idea now will be to get him ready for the postseason. Maybe the end of the regular Season, but it is a four to six week injury.
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Ty Schmidt
Injury.
- [44:25]
Adam Schefter
Suffered it last night. He's been playing through so much this year and it seems like every week we put it on, he's fighting through, he's getting back out there, he has to leave. And this is a guy who is one of the standouts in the entire NFL. One of the best offensive tackles, but he's got Ellis Frank. The test showed that this morning and now he's going to be out for an extended period. But it's not season ending. That's the good part.
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Pat McAfee
For Philadelphia, that is great news, especially as fans of Lane Johnson. Godspeed on recovery there, Liz Frank. Very annoying injury lesson. Talk about people we are fans of as well. Aaron Rodgers, left wrist. Obviously we saw him after the game whenever he was wearing a hoodie, had a little bit of a brace on. He was dapping everybody up. I believe early reports are that he was trying to get back into the game and that he wants to play against the Bears, you know, because he does. I think he believes potentially he's their landlord, you know, because of what he was able to do with the packers for the Chicago Bears. Feels like a very emotional game for Aaron to play. What are we hearing as of this moment with the wrist in injury for Aaron Rodgers?
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Adam Schefter
Yeah, I'm sure he's going to want to play against the Bears, but again, he's got a slight break in that left wrist. Now. He's having more tests today and he probably has had them by now to determine whether or not they will have to do surgery, whether they'd have to put a screw or a plate in there to figure out exactly how to treat it. I think the team does not believe that it is any kind of long term injury. So the question now is does he miss time? Time. And if he does, then Mason Rudolph would obviously start against the Chicago Bears this week. I think that's certainly well within the realm of possibility. But they don't think it's a long term injury. But today the test should show more and exactly how they want to proceed with them.
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Pat McAfee
Okay, so Aaron Rodgers we know will want to play. He views himself as an old school player. Views himself as an old school guy. You know, if I only played while I was 100% at one place, any games, look up the amount of games that he played. Obviously everybody remembers the jets injury taking place, but if you look at how he views himself as the Ironman, old school football, if he can play, he's going to play. That is kind of the way it's gone with Aaron Rodgers. We'll see if the Pittsburgh Steelers rule him out. Josh Jacobs. Now let's go to the Green Bay packers knee injury. What are we hearing for Josh Jacobs? Obviously massive piece of this Green Bay packers offense since arrival from the Raiders.
- [46:38]
Adam Schefter
They did test today. It was structurally sound so that's encouraging. They're going to consider him week to week. I think it'll be challenging to have him play this week against the Vikings, but again they're not ready to rule him out just yet. But this is a tough guy and he's usually out there. We'll see if he's going to be able to make it back this week. I think I'd be a little bit surprised. Emmanuel Wilson's played well. Long season ahead, but he'll have a chance. They're not ready to rule him out just yet. We'll see how the week evolves. The good news for the packers is not long term. No surgery needed and we'll see how soon he can make it back.
- [47:12]
Pat McAfee
Shout out Rob Domovsky on the coverage there. Let's go down to Atlanta now. Penix seemingly out for the year is what's being chatted about. Drake London also injured. Let's start with Penix, then go to Drake London. Is it Kirk Cousins time in Atlanta for the rest of the way here?
- [47:26]
Adam Schefter
I do not expect Michael Penix to play again this season. He suffered a knee injury here against Carolina yesterday. Yesterday he's going through tests. They did find damage with his acl. He has obviously had. This will be if and when he doesn't come back this season, which I would expect to be the case. This would be the fifth of eight seasons in college in the NFL that he has been unable to finish a season due to a knee injury. And obviously the Carolina, the Atlanta Falcons have a lot invested in. Michael Penix limped off the field yesterday. The tests were not encouraged. Encouraging. It's not going to be good. I do not expect him to play again this season and that means it's time for Kirk Cousins to step in and this is why the Falcons have paid him. It's up to Cousins to try to save their season and we'll see what he can do as the quarterback. But again, Michael Penix not expected to be back again this season.
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Pat McAfee
How about Drake London as we stay in the Atlanta Falcons injury report week to week?
- [48:23]
Adam Schefter
I wouldn't expect him to play this week. They don't think it's serious. They don't think he's going to need surgery or Anything like that. It sounds like it's a similar injury to the one that Brock Bowers had where you need some rest sometimes before it's well. But at the very least he'll miss this weekend. Look, now you're starting to get into an area with the Falcons like they're not winning. If, if you're not winning and you're out of it, are you going to rush your guys back and what's the sense in bringing back now they're going to want him back and they're going to keep fighting. But yeah, I would think that he'll miss a little bit of time here.
- [48:53]
Pat McAfee
Okay. The Falcons quarterback room was certainly talked about this offseason. One hundred and some million and then let's all say use number eight overall pick. Are you going to trade Kirk? Are you not going to trade Kirk? Now they're both playing. Kirk will be playing and they're both out of it basically, seemingly whenever it comes to the playoffs. Let's go to another quarterback room that was certainly chatted about this offseason. Dylan Gabriel, who has been the starter for the Cleveland Browns for the last few weeks here, gets a concussion. Shador Sanders makes his debut with the Cleveland Browns. Obviously it doesn't go great. Massive division game. Baltimore Ravens should door. Had a couple good throws, had a couple good moments, gets sacked, fumbles as well, throws a pick. Some other stuff takes place. Obviously not the ideal position to be starting, but is there one of those when you're a backup quarterback? I saw obviously a lot of people learning about the way the NFL works and how backup quarterbacks don't get a lot of reps during the week. Obviously. Why would we be taking any reps away from the starter when the starter is trying to win the football game? There's only so many reps we can get done. Why would we waste any on the backup quarterback? That'd be preparing for somebody to get injured is kind of the NFL's thoughts now. Did they know Dylan Gabriel is going to get hurt at some point? Should they have got Shador more reps? Maybe Shador came out, handled it like a professional. Obviously everybody is stuck up for Shador Sanders in this entire process. What do you think happens going forward here? Dylan Gabriel's team. Shador Sanders has opportunity. Like what are your kind of thoughts on how this all plays?
- [50:19]
Adam Schefter
Yeah, well, you mentioned that the, the interesting part which Kevin Stefanski acknowledged after the game yesterday, was that yesterday was the first time that Shador Sanders took a rep with the starting offense. Never happened. All during training camp, all during the preseason, obviously during practice in the regular season, those were the first reps. So, as we talked about on get up this morning, that's the first time that the starting offensive linemen are hearing Shedor Sanders catch out on the field. They don't know what it's like. They haven't been through any reps with him. And so the reps that the Browns had at the quarterback position went to Joe Flacco, they went to Kenny Pickett, they went to Dylan Gabriel, and none of them went to Shador Sanders, who all of a sudden found himself playing the Baltimore Ravens yesterday in the second half, having to step in and be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Now, Dylan Gabriel is in concussion protocol, and obviously, most players who are there don't usually clear in a week. We're still waiting for CJ Stroud to clear, and I think there's real question as to whether he would go on Thursday night against Buffalo. I think there's a real possibility. CJ Straddle misses third straight game, and it'll be Davis Mills again on Thursday night. But Dylan Gabriel would have to pass in one week, and I would say the chances of that are not very likely, which would mean that Chador would be in the line to take over as the Brown starting quarterback Sunday against the Las Vegas Raiders. And it could be Shador versus Gino Smith.
- [51:44]
Pat McAfee
And that would mean Stefanski would be shaping the entire week around Shador Sanders, the starter, which they never do for a backup quarterback. So that is just kind of, I think, in real time, what everybody needs to know, like, the reality of situation. And on that note, good luck, Shador.
- [51:59]
Connor Campbell
Here we go. Good luck, Adam.
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Darius Butler
Finally giving him a damn chance.
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Pat McAfee
I'll have you know he had zero reps with the ones. Well, was he the number one quarterback?
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AJ Hawk
No.
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Pat McAfee
No, but. Okay, go on.
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Ty Schmidt
I don't have anything else.
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Pat McAfee
Okay. Okay. All right. Just make it short. Now, on that note, this week, let's go.
- [52:20]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Hell, yeah.
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Pat McAfee
And there's a couple moments in there. Confidence, comfortable arm, obviously, everything we've come to see and learn and love about Shador. Maybe Stefanski is able to make it work. Let's stay in the AOC north, shall we? Go ahead, Ty.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Shefty. Everyone's kind of set that, you know, the Bengals are kind of circling Thanksgiving night potentially for Joe Burrow's return, but after yesterday, they get killed, and then we'll see what happens with Jamar Chase. It looks like there's a chance he might get suspended. Next week against a tough Patriots team. Is there any chance that they decide to just keep him on ice? Because even, you know, I mean, if they lose these next two weeks, you know, what's, what's the point of playing him on Thanksgiving?
- [52:57]
Adam Schefter
Well, yeah, listen, I think that Thanksgiving always was going to be ambitious for him to get back by that night. I think the more realistic target date was the next week against the Buffalo Bills. But either way, the point is the same. They didn't win yesterday, they didn't beat Pittsburgh. Now Cincinnati plays again this week and there's a real possibility that they'll be without Jamar Chase. If they don't win that game, then you go into Thanksgiving night on a two game losing streak or however many games they've lost in a row here. And at some point, at some point in time, you have to see, say, if we're not going to make the playoffs, why does it make sense to bring back Joe Burrow? Now, Joe Burrow is an athlete and he's going to want to play and he's worked really hard to get back. But common sense logic, if they're not winning and they're out of the why, why are they bringing him back?
- [53:45]
Pat McAfee
Well, are they going to be in the playoffs next year at any point and then as soon as they get out of the playoffs, you're not going to play Joe Burrow. This is me, fan of Bengals, owner of Bengals, saying this. If because he's faced a franchise, he is programmed. Now, granted, can a bigger, bigger injury take place and knock him out for sure. But I think it's going to be a tough pill to swallow. You got a completely healthy Joey Burrow just standing on the sideline while people are paying for tickets and stuff over there in Cincinnati. I think that's, I think that's going to be a tough, tough sell. But hey, Bengals will do it.
- [54:13]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, they certainly will do it.
- [54:16]
Pat McAfee
And on that note, Joey B, what we're saying is you're too tough for your own good is what the world is even considering considering in all of that. Now let's talk about being tough. Guess who's back again? Brock is back. Tell a friend. Go ahead, D. Buzz.
- [54:29]
Darius Butler
Brock Purdy's all the way back. Had a great game yesterday. Him and Christian McCaffrey. Did he get out of the game clean and obviously he's the guy going forward. But what was the reports with 13 after the game?
- [54:40]
Adam Schefter
He looked sharp, he looked great. And again, he wasn't going to play until he had movement, until they felt Comfortable with him back there and he had enough movement and obviously looked really sharp yesterday. Arizona outgained San Francisco by over 200 yards in this game. And Jacoby Brissette threw an NFL record 47 completions, the record for a regular season game. But Brockbur came on, was hitting George Kittle, was hitting Christian McCaffrey throwing for touchdowns looking like he always did. He looks surgical out there, frankly, yesterday. And when, when he's playing at that level, they're a tough team to beat. And he played like that yesterday. Yesterday, throwing passes like that all day long. And again they're, they're in the playoffs today. The Detroit Lions are not in the playoffs. Playing San Francisco is without so many key players like Nick Bosa and Fred Warner and all these great players that they've lost. And yet here they are battling and in a spot where they're competing for a playoff spot.
- [55:37]
Pat McAfee
And they lost Brock Purdy for an extended period of time as well and still were able to win. Mac Jones did a lot for his stock. Who knows what happens in down the road. Congrats to Brock coming all the way back and playing like that. We are happy for him. We thought maybe there would be a chatter for a long time. Seemingly put to bed. You have about 30 seconds here, shefty. What do we need to know about tonight? Dallas Cowboys, Las Vegas Raiders.
- [55:56]
Adam Schefter
Well, Quinn and Williams makes his Cowboys debut tonight. Demari and Overshawn comes back tonight for the Dallas Cowboys. That's two big defensive additions. But let's be honest, it's going to be an emotional night for the Dallas Cowboys. This is the first game that they're playing since they lost lost their teammate Marshawn Nealon. They come off the bye. It's not going to be the same without him. He's going to be on everybody's minds. They're going to be wearing a helmet decal. They'll be wearing T shirts to honor and remember him. And I would think that the Dallas Cowboys will play an emotionally inspired game this evening.
- [56:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think so too. And anytime that happens, obviously perspective gets put into place as well quickly. Hopefully they're able to find some positive out of it all. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Great hit by Shefty. Yeah, I think that was really good hit by him.
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Connor Campbell
Oh yeah.
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Ty Schmidt
Nailed it.
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Darius Butler
Yeah, super cool today. Appreciate you.
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Pat McAfee
That's cool. Fit today.
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Connor Campbell
Our turn.
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Connor Campbell
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Connor Campbell
Come on, do it. Come on, man. Do us.
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Pat McAfee
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Connor Campbell
Come on.
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Pat McAfee
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Ty Schmidt
You do too, man.
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Pat McAfee
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Connor Campbell
Where'd you get that shirt?
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Pat McAfee
Oh, thank you. This shirt.
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Darius Butler
It's a new shirt?
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, it is a new shirt. Got center of shot. 412 boys 1, they started cooking, you know what I mean? They started doing this like they're jmo, you know, they started doing this and I like the JMO like this with a shiesty on her and they're working, you know, and then first down, you.
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Darius Butler
Know, if they put something on the back of that shirt, that would be really sick.
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Pat McAfee
What do you mean? Oh, oh, there is something on there. Did you see that? Yeah, they Were really, you know, they were in there. Shot 412. This got pitched a lot of things when I was back in Pittsburgh. A lot of things. A lot of people back in Pittsburgh pitching a lot of ideas and Shot412 has been doing our merch for a long time. I haven't really, you know, we haven't dove into the merch world as much, you know, because we've had issues in the past. Sure. People are paying an extra 15, 20 bucks to get that thing in three to four days. They're not getting it for three to four weeks. Well, whose problem is that? Well, the warehouse certainly doesn't give a shit. Yeah. No, not at all. Hey, yeah, that's on you. Sorry about it. So all merch became was just a bunch of emails telling me I'm the worst human of all time and I'm stealing their money. So enough with this. If people end up@store patmagfashow.com they end up her like that is what it's going to be. We have stuff. We appreciate it. Shop 412 boards. Like we want to take care of this. Let's let us help you out. So they pitch this jacket. Got his puffer jackets this weekend.
- [60:21]
Connor Campbell
Oh, love puffer jackets.
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Darius Butler
Might need that.
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Pat McAfee
Hi. I don't think any of it's available, so I should not be wearing it. But it is all potential is what they say.
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Tone Diggs
Sure.
- [60:28]
Pat McAfee
So I like this one because it's small, but it's not, you know, it's not squeezing you. Exactly.
- [60:33]
Connor Campbell
Which I get right now.
- [60:34]
Pat McAfee
This is a large. Well, we're getting into the. We're getting into character months. We're getting into.
- [60:40]
Connor Campbell
No doubt.
- [60:40]
Pat McAfee
You know, it gets a little colder. Maybe has a little different food.
- [60:43]
Connor Campbell
Turn these jokes up.
- [60:45]
Pat McAfee
What's that?
- [60:46]
Connor Campbell
Personality month. You know, you got to make sure it's.
- [60:48]
Pat McAfee
Oh, you're saying something's got to be good.
- [60:49]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, exactly.
- [60:50]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Starting to get a lot of personality.
- [60:52]
Connor Campbell
Yeah. Bingo. Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
And I'm losing.
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Connor Campbell
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
You can't have both. Joining us now is a man who's the exact same weight now that he was when he was 21 years old.
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AJ Hawk
Prick.
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Pat McAfee
His frame has found that this is the right weight for him forever. So he's going to eat the exact same amount of rice particles, the exact same of dry, no flavor, bland ass chicken every single day. And there's no changing. No. And he's going to live forever.
- [61:22]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
He's a college football national champion, super bowl champion, Ryder cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk Hawker, most consistent human That I know. How are you doing, buddy?
- [61:32]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I don't know if that's true or not. I'm not Dano. I know Dano. He definitely eats very, very clean. I actually eat real food and still enjoy it.
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Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [61:39]
Ty Schmidt
You always say that, but I don't think you do.
- [61:42]
Pat McAfee
What AJ's trying to say is, I'm okay hanging around people that eat real food.
- [61:46]
Ty Schmidt
Right.
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Pat McAfee
You know, because some of the weirdos who are super healthy, like, really judge and shame and cast, you know, a lot of negative vibes. Whenever you're eating delicious food around them and they don't eat it, you're a person that doesn't do. Yeah, we'll order from a place. What are you guys getting? Oh, burger. Okay. Pizza. Sweet. Hey, do you have the chicken that tastes like ass? And that's your deal. That's. That's why we're so impressed, because you don't want to bring down the party, but you do your thing. We are getting into personality season, which is also Toyota Thon time. Even though we're presented by Ram trucks, we understand Toyota Thon is about a month in football that really matters. And there was five headlines coming out of the Sunday slate that we talked about. Number five was the Bears are the kings of the North. Number four was Josh Alien is back. I don't know if you saw Josh Alien. Did you see him?
- [62:29]
AJ Hawk
Yes. Yes. That was. That was very fun to watch, for sure.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. He's outrageous, especially when he turns out. I think the last time he did this, it was in the snow. So maybe he's a little bit more of a Buffalo football game now. He runs for three, throws for three, and him and Otto Graham are the only ones in history that have done it. Euro step, finger roll. Dion Dawkins takes it home. I mean, they got six celebrations that are with their teammates as well. Josh is special. He's in Alien. Number three headline was Spitgate.
- [62:54]
Connor Campbell
Okay.
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Pat McAfee
An investigation into the selling of the sport of saliva. Something along those lines. Solely is to defile or disrespect. Feels like everybody in the sports community thinks this is too far, and he can't do it. Aj.
- [63:07]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, Spitting is definitely. It's like a. I don't know. It's definitely a thing in sports. I think you learn at a very, very young age. Like, hey, don't. Don't let anyone spit on you, and you sure as hell don't spit on anyone else. I just think that's kind of. Kind of like a Isn't. Is that. Am I naive? To think. That's a thing you learn when you're young.
- [63:23]
Pat McAfee
No, we all had the exact same thoughts over here. If you had your thoughts over there, we got. We got people from Boston here, Iowa, north, left, Canada, south, right, America in South Florida, Pittsburgh. We all agree the same thing. And I saw people, even in New York talking about wearing suits.
- [63:40]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [63:40]
Pat McAfee
Talking about it, saying, hey, you just can't do it. So I think it's just kind of like an understood thing. It's been happening a little bit this season, though. DBut said we got a little bit of an epidemic happening right now. I wonder what that could be from.
- [63:51]
Darius Butler
Yeah, I don't know about AJ But I have been around too many instances, especially on a football field, where people have actually spit on another guy's face. If it has happened, it's one time, it happened in college with the guy who's still on the network. On this network, we had some battles, and he spit on a teammate of mine. We had some issues, but outside of that, it rarely happened. So now this year, I can remember three instances now where it's happened. So it's kind of a resurgence almost.
- [64:15]
Pat McAfee
We don't like it.
- [64:16]
Darius Butler
Don't love it at all.
- [64:17]
Pat McAfee
Like it. It would have been sweet if the ref, like an NHL ref would have came in, saw him, spit on him. Oh, hey, back up, boys. Do your thing.
- [64:24]
Connor Campbell
Let him go.
- [64:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, boys, go. All right, you, spitter ejected you. 15 yard penalty. Go ahead and take your seat. It'd be interesting because as soon as Jalen throws a right, ref has to eject him. Okay. Like, that's kind of the rules. But as soon as the spit happens, it should be the exact same as what everybody that's ever played the sport says. So who knows if the ref saw it or not, but it would have been epic if the ref would have said. All right, let me gather some information here real quick. What happened? You know, like a cop on the scene of the crime spit on me right here. You see this? Spit on me right here. Oh, I do see that Looks like a loogie. Do you spit on this? Man, I ain't spit. What's that? But get the out of here.
- [65:01]
Darius Butler
Had to be evidence. Had to be.
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Pat McAfee
That was a big loogie. Now, maybe he was just talking, though, and he's a spitter like Sergeant Slaughter. We all know every once in a while, I'll even get something that'll come flying out. I feel terrible to whoever I'm talking, like, oh, you just ate something right there. Right in Your forehead. Oh, my God. That's 100% on me. There's a chance that that is Jamar Chase's defense.
- [65:19]
Ty Schmidt
Sure.
- [65:20]
Pat McAfee
Like, hey, I was just talking to him, and I was saying the word P pretty strong, so it looked like I was tightening my lips. But, boy, that's a lot of spit that ends up going to Jalen Ramsey right there. Age.
- [65:29]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, it sure is. I would imagine. Jamar. I know Jamar said he didn't do it. That has to be right. Hey, I didn't even realize it. There was a heated moment. I had no clue it even happened.
- [65:36]
Pat McAfee
Here's what Jamar Chase said. So just to be clear, you did.
- [65:40]
Ty Schmidt
Not spit on him at all.
- [65:41]
Pat McAfee
That's what he's saying. I ain't spit on nobody. All right. Okay, okay.
- [65:45]
Ty Schmidt
There you go.
- [65:45]
Pat McAfee
All right. Everything's being close, filmed. And I appreciate you deny till you die. If you're Jamar Chase. They said, you know, probable game suspension. But we would like to let everybody know this can't just become a thing. Like, this is not good. We can't just be starting fights in the middle of everything. Whenever sports, in between the lines and in between the whistles is supposed to be something special. Yeah. It's a sacred ground. You can turn anything into a fight if you just want to go spit on somebody face. Yeah. Okay. Congratulations.
- [66:10]
Tone Diggs
You think this is Kova's fault? Did you just go and spit in general during coven and everyone's just acting out now?
- [66:17]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [66:17]
Ty Schmidt
Itching to spit. Yeah.
- [66:19]
Pat McAfee
That was interesting. What did you dippers do you guys had to swallow whenever you guys got it?
- [66:23]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I mean, you know, some. Some differs like gutting it just in general, so that really wasn't that big of a change. But. But, yeah, you kind of forced to. Exactly.
- [66:33]
Pat McAfee
The government kind of forced you guys to swallow your chew.
- [66:36]
Ty Schmidt
Exactly, exactly.
- [66:37]
Pat McAfee
I mean, there's action potential.
- [66:40]
Adam Schefter
Yeah.
- [66:40]
Pat McAfee
There's a potential conversation about that. But, yeah, I mean, that is basically what it is. Right. We all. We all agree. You spit on somebody's face, it's a guaranteed fight.
- [66:48]
Connor Campbell
Yes.
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Darius Butler
Ref should have did a little more investigating there, because they were standing there talking for 10, 15.
- [66:53]
Tone Diggs
There was quite the kerfuffle after the spit.
- [66:56]
Ty Schmidt
Like, all.
- [66:57]
Tone Diggs
Both, like, 12. 12 guys from each team got involved. There was a lot of jersey grabbing, so I assume the evidence got wiped away. That's just.
- [67:04]
Pat McAfee
It's kind of what I was. Well, it's probably on some. It's probably hanging off. Yeah. Just dangling off camera, holding back. The number two headline was The Chiefs is not the Chiefs. Question mark is what I said. Exclamation point is what D butt said. Anything for that, A.J.
- [67:17]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I saw debut with the exclamation mark. I mean, I can't be that confident to say they are not the Chiefs anymore because I just started thinking, what if they start to go on a run? They win three, four, five games in a row and then what do we. What's everybody going to say? This is not a team you want to see in the playoffs. Don't let them get in. If they get in, they're going to make a run. Like, I could see that still possibly happening.
- [67:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, there's a chance there. The Chiefs, right? That's. That's basically what we're saying. Nine straight division titles. Is that what Schefter said? So it's hard to just imagine a world where it doesn't happen for the Chiefs. But, boy, every time we watch them on film, we think to ourself, that ain't the team.
- [67:50]
Darius Butler
I'll die alone on my island.
- [67:53]
Pat McAfee
I don't like that negative island that you're on.
- [67:55]
Darius Butler
I'm fine with that.
- [67:57]
Connor Campbell
I'm not visiting that island. Come on.
- [68:00]
Pat McAfee
Good personality.
- [68:01]
Darius Butler
It's good island.
- [68:02]
Pat McAfee
Good personality. Let's turn up population one. Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't know if you're the only one. There's a lot of people loud on the Internet calling these Chiefs frauds, you know, and I don't think they ever came out and said they're the super bowl champions. We all have just said exactly what the truth is. They're in the middle of a dynasty. That's what they are doing. They've proven it. They've already accomplished it. If it was to end right now, they would say that was a dynasty. Yeah. Now, is that what's happening right now? You're not saying forever?
- [68:28]
Darius Butler
I'm not saying. I'm saying this season. I don't see the Chiefs making a run and being the Chiefs that we've.
- [68:34]
Pat McAfee
Seen super bowl odds. Sportsbook said we're not falling for that. Plus 800 still for Super bowl odds. That's the third best odds in the entire NFL between behind the Eagles and the Rams. Which actually goes to the number one headline, the NFL's final play day. There was five games that ended on a final play with kicks out happening. Seven teams came back to win after trailing in the fourth quarter. Both of those tying an NFL record. It was special. Those were the five headlines. Basically, we talked about the things that we didn't get to that need to be chatted about. Debo. What is something that we didn't talk about that certainly needs to be recognized.
- [69:05]
Darius Butler
Something the Chiefs have have had throughout this dynasty. The Patriots had it too. Is a great scoring defense. Still top five in scoring defense right now. But outside of the Chiefs who has like that championship level defense right here for my four, my four favorite defenses right now, Obviously not only the defense. They have great head coaches and also have offenses. I think to get it done the Broncos got to figure some things out. But you look at some characteristics from these different defense. You start the Broncos just a violent defense. Best third down defense leading the league in sacks by a wide wide margin. Talent from the front end all the way to the back end with the secondary. And through this little stretch they've been missing the reigning defensive player of the year with Patrick Sergeant 10. So when he gets back in the lineup they'll be even better. And then the Philadelphia Eagles, the reigning super bowl champs. Back to back week they just held offenses to seven and nine points in the National Football League. That's tough to do. And once again from the first level all the way to the back, they're on the same accord. They fly around, they make tackles. They do a great job communicating. They do everything that you want your defense to do. Then you got to go out west. The Los Angeles Rams violent, violent front four lead the league in stunts right now. Now. And also do a great job on the back end mixing things up coverage wise. Tying in with that pressure up front and picking quarterbacks off Sam Darnold who's kind of been on a great run this season. He looked pretty shy against defense. This is a fight for first place in that division and they picked on him. Four interceptions against Sam Darnold the last time they touched the field. And then the defense is kind of flying under the radar because of how great Drake may in the offense is doing. Is the New England Patriots. It always starts in the trenches. I think the best interior tandem were Milton Williams and Christian Barmore in there. They're unbelievable. Then you got Gonzo, a top flight corner who can follow the number one wide receiver. And then you got a bunch of other guys who just fly around and do their job. We know where Vrabes is, the defensive mind he is. He took more ownership of the defense because the defensive coordinator has been dealing with some health issues this year. They've been great flying around round. So those defenses I think in tandem with everything around them, I think those are the championship level defenses right now.
- [71:10]
Pat McAfee
AJ we got a Hembo stat about championship defenses and how important they've been over the last couple years as opposed to maybe in the past. So obviously this past super bowl, both defenses were ranked in the top five. In 2023. The year before this past super bowl, both defenses ranked in the top five. That had not happened in back to back Super Bowls since 1973. 1970, 24 is now becoming ever more evident that you need to have a defense to be able to win the big one. AJ in your eyes. And do you think there are championship defenses kind of separating themselves from the pack right now?
- [71:41]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I think some, some teams are definitely starting to separate themselves and kind of feel they're, they're gaining their identity as a defense. I mean, one defense we didn't. We left out the Bears defense. They're a little under the radar as well. I think they're plus 16 in turnover margin.
- [71:53]
Darius Butler
Yep.
- [71:53]
AJ Hawk
Now that also is because Caleb, I think only has four picks, but the Bears D, they can take the ball away, which is huge. But yeah, you have to have like, you're going to need your defense at some point in the playoffs. I think to get a win, you're going to need a big stop. It's going to be some kind of moment where your offense needs the ball back, whatever it may be. You got to get a turnover. You're going to have to rely on your defense. I feel like at least one of those playoff games or the super bowl, if you want to actually win, it.
- [72:15]
Pat McAfee
Isn'T that interesting that, you know, and we talk about this with the trenches all year with AQ Shipley, it's like, if you want to win the super bowl, okay, like, be good. We got it. Like this kind of the question about the Buffalo and we don't, we don't want to, you know, throw it into the conversation, especially with how special yesterday was for Josh Allen. But if you're going to want to win a Super bowl, there's a couple things you're going to need. Okay. Your quarterback's going to have to make like a 17 yard dot on the sideline at some point. There's going to be a third and 13 or a fourth and 13 that your quarterback is going to have to be able to just make a timing throw. Like that's going to have to happen if you want to win a Super Bowl. You're going to have to be able to run the ball. Okay. You're going to have to be able to run the ball at some point. If you want to win a Super bowl, going to have to close out a game clock at some point during the playoff run into the super. Into the super bowl if you want to win. And you're going to have to have a defense get a stop at an opportunistic time. And seemingly there are some defenses that can't do it, and there are defenses that can do it. And if you want to win the Super Bowl, I think a good thing to keep an eye on as the season goes late is like, which defense can win a Super Bowl. That. That is.
- [73:15]
AJ Hawk
It's not defense slash special teams. Now, especially this past week, we've seen people when the kickoff. The kickoff is absolutely in play and has, yeah, it might look like poop, but it has added a key element to this game. Like that it truly matters. I cannot wait to see in the playoffs how this will affect the outcome.
- [73:30]
Pat McAfee
Of game because you have to throw a strike. You know, we chit chatted about it like being like baseball, like, hey, you got to get out of game. You got to cover a kick here. If you don't cover a kick, you will lose. This happens to the Vikings right here in another game. I think Bucker hit a kickoff short. I think it didn't make it in there. So that ball is at the 40. I mean, I mean, you're talking, talking about to your point. Yeah. Defense and special teams executing in big, big moments is going to be what takes somebody the super bowl and what loses people in the playoffs. We think. And I think they're starting to separate from each other.
- [73:57]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. And there are teams who have shown, you know, early on here that they just can't figure it. Like, you know, they'll maybe take a field goal lead with like a minute left, and instead of trying to put it in play, they just kick it out of the back of the end zone. And that's still starting at the 35. And then you're kind of playing, playing soft coverage because you, you want to keep everything in front of you. Then before you know it, the other team is in field goal range with, you know, 20 seconds left. And it's like we're seeing a lot of these field goal leads just not be safe. When years passed, it's like a lot of those times with a minute left, if you don't have one of those elite quarterbacks, you'd be thinking like, oh, we're good. We're gonna, we're gonna be in a good position. That hasn't been the case this year.
- [74:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And the Indianapolis Colts didn't play. So out of sight, out of mind. Right.
- [74:38]
Darius Butler
The defense, all pro money coming backs, sauce Garden, he'll get acclimated. And since AJ Definitely mentioned the Bears who lead in the league in turnovers, the packers also a great, great defense. Seahawks, a very good defense as well, didn't win.
- [74:49]
Pat McAfee
So there was qualifiers for the Texans.
- [74:52]
Darius Butler
The Texans. I've missed the quarterback. You know, I don't see that offense being competitive. But they are the best defense in the league right now. So those are the qualifiers. That kind of left them off to that list.
- [75:01]
Pat McAfee
You heard what she said about J. Stroud over there.
- [75:03]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [75:03]
Pat McAfee
Three weeks. He's about to be up for concussion.
- [75:05]
Ty Schmidt
Well and that's kind of been the thing already, I guess with I don't know if the, the concussion protocol has changed, but they've basically said like, hey, a concussion now, like a confirmed concussion is basically a two week injury. But something must be real bad or something's got to be going on if you're going to be missing three games for it.
- [75:20]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we hope. C.J. obviously massive. Yeah, it was a 2, 2 sider that he took for sure. But we hope he's okay. Honestly, we, we genuinely hope he's okay. The Texans were one of the games that ended on its final play. Five of them. AJ with walk off kicks. Embody the way they made them. All the kickers made them. Now there was eight missed extra points. There's some windy games. Okay. There's some windy, windy games. And that's, hey, once again, November, December, in a lot of these cities, you know, football cities, there's a change in weather and what changes the weather? Oh, the wind has to bring it in. You see, I don't know much about how it all works, but I did grow up in a town where dinardo was the weatherman.
- [75:58]
Ty Schmidt
Sure.
- [75:59]
Pat McAfee
Okay. So I basically get it. And what I need to say is for something to be really hot and then really cold, something's going to have to blow that. And it's wind. And boy, some of these cities, their weather's always changing. It seemingly never stopping. Something's always on the way. Okay. That is why there's no sun. And that thing that's on the way is being brought there by. They were showing those kicks.
- [76:24]
Connor Campbell
Oh man.
- [76:25]
Pat McAfee
Last night, pretty game. Those things were blowing a full upright. Blowing a full upright from one side to the other. And then whenever you think about the other games are taking Cleveland. Yeah, right. It wasn't really being chatted about as a national storyline. Obviously that entire storyline is Dylan Gabriel gets a concussion, Shador Sanders comes in, it doesn't go great. Did you know that backup quarterbacks don't get a lot of reps during the week? A.J.
- [76:48]
AJ Hawk
Yes, I, I, I guess I'm surprised to know that everyone assumed that everyone gets equal reps. Yeah, Yes, I, Yes, I knew and assumed that number one quarterbacks take every single rep.
- [76:58]
Pat McAfee
Yes. We're trying to get as good as possible with what we're about to field out here. So every rep literally counts. Now, should they have been viewing who is starter differently, you can certainly argue that. But the entire, hey, the backup quarterback's in a bad spot because it's not his offense. Yeah, that, that's a very tough spot.
- [77:17]
AJ Hawk
Rushed into the game.
- [77:18]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, that's why kind of the point. It sucks. Yeah, it's a very difficult job. That's why these backup quarterbacks have jobs for a long time time because they're able to make every read. So they're able to give a good look to the defense. They're able to make every single throw. They're able to understand the offense. They're normally good politicians too. In a locker room, good mediator between starting quarterback, quarterback room and rest of locker room. I mean a backup quarterback has a lot of jobs trying to make the starting quarterback better. That is what the backup quarterback is to do.
- [77:45]
Darius Butler
Extra set of eyes on the sideline.
- [77:46]
Pat McAfee
Homework assignment.
- [77:47]
Darius Butler
Oh, yeah.
- [77:48]
Pat McAfee
Hey, will you go check out this film third and long with this team? Is there any toes that the corner does or the safety has or there's any line like that's a backup quarterback's job in the NFL. Now I don't know how they're handling it with two rookies because Shador is obviously trying to figure it all out as he goes. So him trying to do a homework assignment for somebody else who also has to try to figure it out. I don't know what that kind of relationship is. But the backup quarterback job isn't like getting reps in practice that the reps they're getting as, as Lamar Jackson, he is going against the defense. He's operating Baltimore's offense. So whenever you see a backup quarterback come in and ball know that, yes, that is very impressive. Everybody is surprised. And the only real upside is that the defense doesn't know you like defense doesn't really know your team knows you much more than the other team. But it's not your offense. It's not something you've repped. It's not like your cadence. None of it is you're you're doing somebody else's now. If he was be the start of this week, this is his team now all of a sudden in the.
- [78:46]
AJ Hawk
Much more prepared. He'll be much more prepared.
- [78:48]
Pat McAfee
Yes, yes. And on that note, we can't wait to watch.
- [78:51]
Puka Nacua
Yeah.
- [78:52]
Pat McAfee
Like I am very excited to watch if he is starting.
- [78:54]
Darius Butler
It starts with protections.
- [78:55]
Pat McAfee
Absolutely.
- [78:56]
Darius Butler
That's the biggest thing. And AQ can obviously speak to that much more than I can, but you got to be able to protect and pick him out. You could tell as soon as Chador came to the game and even with Dylan. But soon as you get a rookie in there, like, you're bringing all the blitzes, you're bringing the wraparounds, you're bringing the stunts, you're bringing, you're bringing disguise coverages because you just want to make him have to figure out as much as as possible. Usually what helps backup quarterbacks, you mentioned it, you don't have a book on them or they can use like mobility or something to kind of just go off script and do that. But when you don't have that against a defense like this in week 12 right now, like this defense has been talking and communicating and scheming shit up all season long. So it's a tough spot to be in for anybody. Hopefully they figure that out. We'll see how it is going forward.
- [79:36]
Pat McAfee
Shador Rookie. Okay, so obviously Dylan Gabriel is as well and Cleveland Browns offense has been what it's been. But do we believe in the Ravens defense again? Because remember, they were asked long time do we, do we, do we believe in the Ravens? Have they got to a place where we think maybe championship defense alongside if.
- [79:53]
Connor Campbell
They'Re able to go, I'm not there yet. No way.
- [79:56]
AJ Hawk
I think they can get there. I think they're good. I I think they can get there first. Kyle Hamilton also got screwed out of a college fumble. They blew the whistle on him. It bounced out of bounds. It didn't matter. But we got to hold the whistle for a second when we have a guy held up.
- [80:05]
Pat McAfee
Please, please. This is on purpose right now. What you're seeing is a skill and a talent. This is not some just, oh, we're making the game ugly like no magic's about to happen. This is taught, repped and schemed for big brain football. Let's not blow it dead. Let's get some people with whistles that maybe have a little sense. Okay.
- [80:23]
Connor Campbell
A little feel like the Arizona guy.
- [80:26]
Pat McAfee
Oh, Trey McBride. Okay, okay. Trey McBride obviously deserves the penalty in that entire situation. Makes a huge catch. Can't be. Do it.
- [80:34]
Ty Schmidt
Can't do it.
- [80:34]
Pat McAfee
Whoa, whoa. Can't do it. Huge kick catch. Runs a guy over. Massive moment. Jacobe, 47 receptions. He talks about it. Boom. And first this guy says, you. He followed his ass. Hey, get back here. You know you can't do that. What do I do? You know you can't do that.
- [80:55]
Darius Butler
Show me what I did.
- [80:56]
Pat McAfee
And he throws in.
- [80:56]
AJ Hawk
He's saying he holstered the gun. He holstered the. The gun. Is that.
- [80:59]
Puka Nacua
Show him.
- [80:59]
Darius Butler
He's going to show him.
- [81:00]
Pat McAfee
I believe they're talking. I believe. Yeah, the ref will let us know. What.
- [81:03]
AJ Hawk
But then here. Oh, never mind.
- [81:05]
Pat McAfee
No, it's. It's this one, I think, brother.
- [81:07]
Tone Diggs
Yeah, you can't.
- [81:08]
AJ Hawk
That's all. It's all that. That's all because of that.
- [81:10]
Pat McAfee
Because, you know, people used to say, we like to party.
- [81:13]
AJ Hawk
Watch this.
- [81:14]
Pat McAfee
We like. We like to party. We like to party. I believe that is why that is not allowed, you know, because I think it has something to do with getting energy throughout an evening in a bad way.
- [81:25]
AJ Hawk
I believe I want to see that.
- [81:26]
Ty Schmidt
In the rule book.
- [81:26]
AJ Hawk
Then I want to see that in the. If he gets a fine, I need to see that typed out cd.
- [81:29]
Pat McAfee
Lamb has done this twice. It's kind of his thing. He's done it twice this year. They gave him a penalty both times. And then I guess the reaction on a CD was like, jeez, yes, I can't do it. You guys are really doing this. So he hasn't done. That was like his thing.
- [81:41]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
- [81:41]
Connor Campbell
Oh, yeah.
- [81:42]
Pat McAfee
That was like legitimately his thing in its entirety. Trey McBride, immediately after this would get into a scuffle, get punched in the face and everything else. Penalty only on him. Nobody else. That was quite a scene there. But obviously the refs are trying to get some things out the of the game. I did see maybe a couple double barrels happening in other places. They did not call that. I'm like, okay, let the boys have their fun. Let the boys have their fun. We'll never forget whenever they started cracking down on the gun celebration. There was like a D3 college one where the team was down 24 points or something like that. Old buddy pass breakup, puts the seat belt on, strapped him up. Then he lifts up his shirt, pulls gun out of pins, shoots guy in back multiple times, puts gun back in pants, puts it down. Ref throws a flag. What do.
- [82:27]
AJ Hawk
Can't do that.
- [82:28]
Pat McAfee
That was a great play. That was a great play. What are you talking about? Yeah, shot him right in the back of his head too.
- [82:36]
Connor Campbell
Dylan Stewart over Jackson dart line.
- [82:39]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Everybody in football is like, all right, yeah, that we get. They get what you're trying to do. To do. Let's. Let's move along here. Pittsburgh Steelers get a huge win here. AJ Hawk, obviously Aaron Rodgers wrist is a big topic of conversation. Mount Washington. Darnell Washington out of Georgia. Six foot seven, 300 and whatever pounds. Tight end who can also operate as a tackle who can throw you from the Monongahela to the Allegheny and then run you over like the Ohio. That's Mount Washington there. Now this guy I was a big fan of whenever he was at Georgia. Obviously he was behind Brock Bowers. But we had the opportunity to be on the field for a couple different Georgia games. And whenever this dude walks by, you go, holy, what can this. What can this guy do? He can catch, he can run, he can block, he can do it all. Remember whenever they said his knees were bad though his knees might be bad. He's 6, 7, 32 and he's running like this. Yeah. I'm assuming his knees aren't perfect. There's a chance that he's mentally tougher than you though and can battle through it. Special talent they got up there in Pittsburgh. And I like the fact that Artie and Aaron love it as just as much as us. It feels like.
- [83:51]
AJ Hawk
Look at Gino Stone first. I mean, Geno Stone, I guess could have tried to go low, but right here. I give. I give old Turner credit for trying to punch that ball out. Knowing how big he is and he's just rumbling down the sidelines looking to kill somebody. I mean, you have no chance. Geno Stone, I guess. Yeah, you could probably go low. You have to. But right here.
- [84:05]
Darius Butler
Come on, Gino. That was bad.
- [84:07]
AJ Hawk
That would hurt his Gino.
- [84:08]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but you go low though, you.
- [84:10]
Darius Butler
Got to go look at a tree.
- [84:11]
AJ Hawk
Trunk with that guy.
- [84:14]
Darius Butler
Was he listed? Was he listed like two right there?
- [84:18]
Puka Nacua
Two?
- [84:18]
Darius Butler
He ain't two nothing. He listed 270, cuz we saw him in training camp.
- [84:24]
AJ Hawk
He was about to jump him. He was about to jump him.
- [84:26]
Darius Butler
Honestly, 2 6.
- [84:27]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so they have watch was about.
- [84:29]
AJ Hawk
To jump the last one. He really was. Yeah, I think watch him lift his knee towards the end of this last one. Right? And he's going to go. He was about to jump him.
- [84:36]
Pat McAfee
As a big man, you know how many times people try to saw him off at his knee? I'm assuming he's got a gun. Good leap. I'm assuming there's a good a well timed jump over which would be special to see this large of a human flying through the sky. But him just getting the rock is awesome. You know we chit chat about this Pittsburgh Steelers offense. Whenever they're doing well. They would have an extra offensive lineman in. It wasn't actually an extra offensive lineman, it just looked like it. It was him. He was being used as an extra offensive lineman. He's a road grader, this guy. So not only does he have the capability of doing this and not only is he unguardable because he's 6 foot 7 in this, this big. It's like he's a massive piece of protection for Aaron and for them running the ball. The Pittsburgh Steelers prove anything to us yesterday? AJ Hawk, did they prove anything to you? And ultimately we'll ask Tone if they proved anything to the Pittsburgh fan base.
- [85:23]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I mean I think it's having Mason Rudolph there that he is, that is a big benefit to. I mean I know. I think they've. Tone is definitely questioned over the years why they have kept this guy around. Well, this is why. Because he can step in and help you win a football game. Now I don't, I don't know how bad Aaron's wrist is. Luckily it's his left wrist and I don't know how bad that would have to be to keep you out for multiple weeks. If it's your offhand, you know, you're non throwing hand. I'm not sure how it works. But yeah, Mason Rudolph, the Steelers, I think they definitely have a chance.
- [85:48]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And Aaron, we know this. Not a lot of people think this about Aaron and by a lot of people I know the people that just aren't fans of his. Like he does view himself as old school tough quarterback. Like that is how he views himself. That is how he likes to operate. I think he's proven that. There was a game in London where he got scored scorpioned. Like Baker Mayfield kind of Scorpion himself. But like he got scorpioned and then like I think there was a turnover. The next play he goes back on the field like can barely walk, has no idea where somebody is already 4 time MVP already everything like that. Like Aaron takes a lot of pride in being a tough guy even though people don't really give him credit in that. So to AJ's point right there, and that's AJ who's either talked directly to Aaron and shit talk to him or not not he said in his non throwing arm if you're gonna miss multiple games. I don't think so that that's AJ Talking to Aaron through our show right now. But Aaron also is feeling the exact same way.
- [86:44]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. I mean, there was the, the Bears game to start the season probably like six years ago. Or he had. He like hurt his knee bad. And you know, a lot of people were saying like, hey, this could be like a several week deal. But it was the opening night, it was Sunday Night Football. So he got all shot up, came out and basically played the second half on one leg. And just stuff like that. Really, outside of the, like the few times where he broke his collarbone with the packers, like he was dinged up a decent amount. But yeah, he, I mean, if, if he can go, he's going. He's not missing games.
- [87:12]
Connor Campbell
Yeah. Last year in Green Bay, didn't he break his throwing thumb?
- [87:15]
Ty Schmidt
Yes.
- [87:15]
Connor Campbell
And he was still playing through a broken thumb. And that's like a situation where, hey, your play is going to look so bad that people are going to start saying that you've lost it and everything. So if this is in his left hand, it's almost like, hey, I play for Pittsburgh, so I got to show these Pittsburgh people how tough I am. Not just say how tough I am. And I feel like this is a great time for him to show that.
- [87:34]
Pat McAfee
He wanted to go back out.
- [87:35]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [87:36]
Pat McAfee
Which is hilarious. No way, dude. What are you talking. We don't even really know. Yeah. I gotta go back out there. Just because that's ingrained in who he is. It's a different generation here now. Yeah. Hey. One of the last of a dying breed here in the NFL. And he'll go out on his shield.
- [87:52]
Ty Schmidt
He will.
- [87:53]
Pat McAfee
He will go out on his important.
- [87:55]
Darius Butler
Though, that left, that left, left wrist ball security. Brace yourself when you're falling.
- [87:59]
AJ Hawk
Like, put a club on it. What if he puts a club on it? He somehow finds a way to handle the ball.
- [88:03]
Pat McAfee
Once again, this is him talking with.
- [88:06]
AJ Hawk
Just his little fingies sticking out of the club, though. Just a couple fingies out.
- [88:09]
Pat McAfee
So he has to. And put glove. Tape the glove on here so that there is a sticky on it, you know, and just absolutely do it. But there's so many pieces of life as a quarterback. That is your offhand. Yeah.
- [88:22]
Ty Schmidt
And ball handling is like a massive part of his game too.
- [88:25]
Pat McAfee
He'll figure it out. Hey, Age, tell him tape it up. Right. Put Tylenol.
- [88:30]
AJ Hawk
I think he will. Yeah. Rub some dirt on it. Tape a few Tylenol or Advil to your skin.
- [88:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Good luck. We were. We're pulling for you. Now let's talk about the midnight mode being able to exist more than just one day. Rams Seahawks, NFC west thriller. We are all pumped up about what this game could be. Sam Darnold, MVP like season. Matthew Stone, Stafford, MVP like season. Seahawks way ahead of schedule. Rams. How are you guys still this good with everything that you've done? Two different story lines coming into the game, and what we found out was midnight moan lives on. Devonte Adams still unguardable down on the goal line. One team has the tush push. A lot of hanky panky with the.
- [89:10]
Ty Schmidt
Tush push quite a bit.
- [89:11]
Pat McAfee
They're playing a little handsy down. They're in a neutral zone playing hands here. And it was that guy going on. Tush push obviously does what it does. But devonte Adams down there is just as effective as the tush push because they have Puka Nakua and because they have 14 tight ends, it seems like. And because they have multiple backs that are incredible. Tyron's unbelievable. Seemingly because of all the weapons they have. Devontae, they have to go one on one with him. They have to go one on one with him. No, no, no. Help. So it's just Devonte one on one with a corner down the goal line. That's a guarantee. This is just like when Gronkowski was with the New England Patriots. They would flank out Rob Gronkowski if it was one on one. Who cares what this play call was? Go ahead, Gronke, do what you got to do. And then Gronk would just cook and he was wide open. Same thing for devonte. Devonte. Just one of these. I'm going that way. Boom. One of those. I'm going this way. And then if you're good, DB could be great. This is your second or third db. If he could be a great athlete and he gets them both, devontae will somehow know. Hands hit you with one of those and then he's gone Houdini. He's out of nowhere. And that's a touchdown. And Matthew Stafford's not missing. Like, he's not going to miss one of these opportunities. He's phenomenal. They're phenomenal. And their punter might have had the best play of the entire damn game. Ethan Evans, we've seen this guy squat, I think like £600 and all over his Instagram. And when he needed it. Fourth quarter up to need a long field for Sam Darnold. He's thrown four picks, but he could get hot. Picture perfect. End over end, coffin corner. So he literally did both here. He did the new school and the old school. Less than two minutes in the fourth quarter. Ethan Evans. Let's fucking go, buddy. That's huge for the brand. 42 is still an interesting number, but given that, given them at least 60 yards, 50, 60 yards. Jason Myers ends up missing a 61 yard field goal, ends up pushing it right. And it may be even a little bit short. Short. But if that's even at the 5 or the 10, which is be considered a good kick, a good pooch kick, that's a whole different ball game. Huge. Huge out of Ethan Evans in the Los Angeles Rams. And we talk about offense being able to go, we talk about defense being able to go. And clearly special teams able to go too. D bud.
- [91:20]
Darius Butler
Yeah. With how cagey this match was. This was, this was huge. Rarely do you say like a game winning punt, but this was as close as it'll get. Obviously the defense has to go out there and get some stops and do that job as well. But this is huge when you're setting your defense up and setting that opposing offense up where they have to go the length of the field. That's a big time play. I mean unbelievable execution. I thought that was one of the best plays of the day yesterday.
- [91:43]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I like what, I like the way we're talking about. I like the way we're talking about these punts. We like big old punts. We can online. Ain't that right AJ?
- [91:51]
AJ Hawk
We do. I think we're people. Maybe some casuals are seeing how important special team play is, especially like down the stretch when games truly matter. Like this. This is, this is a game defining play right here. Like you're going to point to this as one of the reasons they won.
- [92:02]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And Sean McVeigh is going to give him a game ball.
- [92:05]
Connor Campbell
Oh yeah.
- [92:05]
Pat McAfee
He certainly earned it. Go ahead.
- [92:06]
Darius Butler
What are the rules right there for the punt return. I know that's Rashid Shahid. Been there a couple weeks now. But once it are like putting the heels on a certain yard line and letting it go like what are they being taught?
- [92:16]
Pat McAfee
Go back to the beginning. There was a line of scrimmage. Line of scrimmage is the 49. So he was at about like the 8. I would say 7 or 8 used to be the 10, but now because guys are getting better and better at it at all. You seven or eight yard line, if it's in front of you, we catch it. If it's behind you, you try to distract or block. And then if it goes out of bounds at the one, you just kind of look at Everybody say, wow, it was pretty damn good ball. Yeah, that was pretty damn good ball right there. So, yeah, my goal, every time we were down in that area there, I was trying to hit it to, like, the eight yard line, seven yard line, guaranteed fair catch, basically, because that's where they're standing. And if you hit a little bit further, you might have a chance to be able to steal one inside to five. Little bit shorter. Probably fair catch at the 10, which is considered a success. There's some guys, though, that go for it. Like, there's guys that go for it on a regular basis. I think Ethan was going for this because he hit it very far, so I appreciate him doing that. Now, granted, if that's a touchback that comes out to the 20, it's a ball.
- [93:05]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [93:05]
Pat McAfee
So it's like kind of a give and take. There's risk assessment happening at basically all times whenever you're going out there. Okay, do I need to hit this thing 37 yards? Do I need to maybe go for this? Maybe hit his 39 yards. I hit this 39,9 yards. There's a chance we get a good bounce. Ooh, also a chance we get a shite bounce, you know, because that thing, obviously you're trying to get a better luck for the bounce, so you can hit a slow back spinner, so you hope that thing will check up, but there's a chance that hits the point and shoots straight in the end zone. So it's not like 100 percenter that that thing's going to check up perfectly. So shout to Ethan, shout to the Rams, and shout to their fans that bought those jerseys, could never wear it again. You know, if you lose right now, you can, right?
- [93:46]
Connor Campbell
As a punter, do you know right away when it's coming off your foot, like, okay, this one, this has a chance. Or is he waiting, kind of waiting to see where it lands? Like, can you see the rotation on the ball? Like, okay, if this lands, you know, not in the end zone, this thing is going to check up.
- [93:59]
Pat McAfee
If it has a slower rotation, better chance it's not going to go into the end. Okay, slower rotation, though. Harder to control how far it goes. So if you see that thing spinning pretty slow, or if it. If it starts turning a little sideways, that thing turns sideways in the air. It's like, oh, okay, now we got a chance for the sideways bouncing that whole thing. Once again, though, there's a. There's a. Everything kind of is a give and take. Harder to control distance whenever you have slower rotation or Side spin.
- [94:25]
Connor Campbell
Now, are you try with the slower rotation, is that less leg speed or.
- [94:29]
Pat McAfee
Is that drop of the ball?
- [94:31]
Connor Campbell
The ball?
- [94:31]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [94:32]
Pat McAfee
You drop the ball, can you drop.
- [94:33]
AJ Hawk
It to try to make it bounce sideways out of bounds? Like you ever drop it like that?
- [94:36]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So there's a banana ball. The guys are. Beautiful.
- [94:43]
Connor Campbell
Baby Duke.
- [94:44]
Pat McAfee
This is a nice baby Duke here. So, you know, the Aussies brought this one into here, you know, kind of end over end punt, and you could swing harder, and it won't go as far, and it would seemingly like a kickoff, go higher. Fair catch machine. Or if it hits the ground, you get a chance for this thing to kick up. Now because it's spinning backwards like this, you see, there's always a chance that that thing hits and boom, boom, boom. An oblong ball, you can't control this thing perfectly. But the slower it goes, you see, the longer it is. Where on its flatter sides, you see? So then there's a chance that it catches up for you. The issue with that is to hit it a little bit slower, you got to tilt that thing like that, which shrinks the size of a sweet spot. So now you're potentially hitting a ball. So whenever you get both, you're in a good spot. The banana ball. Now, this is something that the Aussies do that I'm very, very impressed with. I think they do it since the. Their bursts, you know, I think. So there's sometimes where you're getting a kick to kind of potentially pull through the big poster to get it, and you got to turn that song sideways. So they have this, like, banana ball that they start hitting. That like, kind of turns it sideways, and their ball is bigger, bigger sweet spot. So then Johnny Hecker, I think, started doing it back in the day because he was real talent. And then for me, I potentially hit that thing seven yards.
- [95:53]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, okay.
- [95:55]
Pat McAfee
But if I hit it far enough, that thing was coming down, it was spinning, and it was coming down, down, like in a kind of like a Australian boomerang. Boomerang.
- [96:03]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [96:04]
Pat McAfee
That thing's coming down, tough to catch, and then when it hits the ground, it's going sideways. So, you know, the banana ball really changed the game. I think guys have much more control with it. But this bad boy right here is what everybody went to, as opposed to coughing, cornering, everything, because you got guys running four threes off the edge now. So you got a lot of guys coming off the edge that are like, 4, 4, 4, 5, and they're all like 6, 2, 2, 6 3. So they understand that if they block a punt, gonna win the game probably. So they started really taking that a lot more serious. So the coffin corner guys used to just like take the snap and then they would just like walk. They would have nothing. There would be like no pressure, basically. And they would walk that thing sideways and they would hit it out of balance. This is really good. It's like nowadays they're short corner. Yeah, they are. They are trying to get you right there. So this one just became a quick, let's go ahead and pull it in the middle and let's kind of handle it. There's also also punt blocks that basically they're telling everybody that they're preparing for the fake. Okay? So if they keep the starting defense on the field and they go punt safe. And everybody on there is screaming at their sideline and everybody on the field is saying they're telling the other team, hey, you guys are going to have to punt this. MCDC says, I don't care that, man, I'm running, man, I'm running it. Did you see what happened last night?
- [97:22]
Darius Butler
I did not.
- [97:23]
Pat McAfee
They run snap to the pp. The starting defense for the Philadelphia Eagles are on. Is on the field. It was very evident that literally everybody in Philly was like, safe, save, save, safe. Telling the Detroit Lions, hey, you're not right. Look at how many guys they got in the box right there. They're literally just. That is literally punt safe. I think it's called everywhere, right? Safe.
- [97:43]
Darius Butler
Punt safe.
- [97:43]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah.
- [97:44]
Pat McAfee
And the only thing punt safe is AJ You. I guess you would be able to talk to this as well. Is just make the makeup. Sure the punt gets off. Right? That's basically the only thing Edge rushers.
- [97:51]
AJ Hawk
Edge rushers force a punt, force them to get rid of that thing.
- [97:54]
Pat McAfee
Everybody else fake. Everybody else waiting for fake.
- [97:56]
Darius Butler
Basically you sub the free safety out for a punt returner so they can feel the punt. But that everything else is just, hey, we got one, you got two. It's just regular defense.
- [98:05]
Pat McAfee
And literally everybody on the field is saying it. Like, I know punter, I know when punt safe is happening on the other side, it's like, okay, this is great news. Okay, we just come out out here. They're not gonna. We can't fake anything. But also probably not a lot of heat here and our guys aren't going to be able to get down as fast because of the holdup that is about to take place. So I can kind of take my sweet ass time here and hit a good ball. Let our gunners kind of do Our thing. Because guess what the corners aren't doing. They're not getting a holding call. They're not getting anything like that. They're actually probably letting the guys go.
- [98:34]
Darius Butler
Yeah. A lot of times you look at that clip, you see the corners, they're backed off because once again, you're trying to play that fake. So we want to kind of see everything. You don't want your back to the ball and just throw a fade ball. So corners are like off down here at the bottom, press up top.
- [98:47]
Pat McAfee
Don't let a fake happen. That is all we are out here for. That is literally this entire thing. So I was kind of confused by that. They're coming after mcdc today. Yeah. I mean, they were trying everything. It was a tough day. On fourth down for the Lions. Okay, zero for five. I'm trying to convert over six. If you count the fake punt. They had to try it all. Because I'll tell you, you what, this Eagles defense is absolutely incredible. The best defense I've seen the Lions play under the mcdc era. Okay. So you play the best defense that you've seen and you put your special teamers in there to try to get a yard.
- [99:18]
AJ Hawk
Yes.
- [99:19]
Pat McAfee
Golf could get it. Get golf the hell out of here. This guy's got two gloves on. It's cold.
- [99:25]
Darius Butler
Can't play whenever you see that. Yeah, I don't. I don't love this. Unless that's your normal gimmick. That's your Teddy. Two gloves or somebody.
- [99:33]
Pat McAfee
Kurt Warner got into it. Roth got. He's always done it in cold games. For what it's worth.
- [99:38]
Connor Campbell
Don't love it.
- [99:39]
Pat McAfee
Peyton got into it late in his season. Yeah.
- [99:41]
Connor Campbell
Because he. Leather ones a little different.
- [99:45]
Pat McAfee
Nerve damage. Get into it.
- [99:46]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [99:47]
Pat McAfee
A lot of reasons. But anyways, what we're saying is a lot of decisions out of the lines that I think we all go. That's kind of the head scratcher. But in the end, if they don't get screwed over with a passer.
- [99:57]
Ty Schmidt
That's right.
- [99:58]
Pat McAfee
Win the game.
- [99:59]
Darius Butler
Defense gave him a chance. Lions had a. Your offense or your team goes for it six times on fourth down, you don't get it. You still hold a team, any team, to what, 16 points? Like, that's. That's an impressive outing for a defense.
- [100:11]
Pat McAfee
You can't do this. You can't do it. Can't do it.
- [100:14]
Connor Campbell
That is.
- [100:15]
Pat McAfee
Now, which part do you think they called it on? Just so I can get mad at.
- [100:17]
AJ Hawk
Grabbing that left hand. Grab the left hand. That's what they called on.
- [100:20]
Darius Butler
Didn't you?
- [100:20]
AJ Hawk
At the very end.
- [100:21]
Pat McAfee
At the end.
- [100:22]
AJ Hawk
Watch. I don't think this. I think it's a terrible call, but I think right there, they call it because he's holding that left wrist.
- [100:27]
Pat McAfee
Look at eyes on it. That guy's got eyes on it. All right, let's not judge these refs on a few bad calls that they certainly made this weekend and we need to not see anymore, okay? Especially on third down. Less than two minutes left in the game. Huge game. Prime time game. You're not the show. We're here to watch the show. Get the hell out of the way. On that note, we appreciate your service. The ball. AJ didn't clap. AJ Hates refs. I didn't care. How does how AJ I didn't see.
- [100:52]
AJ Hawk
AJ Brown even crying for the call or pleading for the call. You know, that's the situation. Like when that's the case, you know, it's probably a rough call.
- [100:58]
Pat McAfee
Well, ladies and gentlemen, let's pivot away from the NFL into refs trying their best. Need you to be better in big moments, but trying their absolute best. Let's pivot to college football in the award. That kind of puts you in the folklore of history. The Heisman. And who would have thought that there's a man playing quarterback for the Indiana Hoosier football team?
- [101:19]
Connor Campbell
Hell, yeah.
- [101:19]
Pat McAfee
That is currently the first front runner, fresh off a game in which he was 22 at 24 for 299 yards and four touchdowns.
- [101:27]
Ty Schmidt
Pretty efficient.
- [101:28]
Pat McAfee
Wow. Well, it's not just that game. It's every game. Go back last week. Maybe the catch of the year, maybe the drive of the year. And that's not the only one. There's four fourth quarter comebacks to win the game, led by this man. Ladies and gentlemen, it's not just Fernando Mandy Doza. It's potentially Heisman Doza.
- [101:52]
Connor Campbell
Hello.
- [101:53]
Pat McAfee
How you doing, brother?
- [101:54]
Fernando Mendoza
What's up, guys?
- [101:55]
Pat McAfee
Hey. What's going on? How are you, brother? Life good? Is this what you imagined it was going to be whenever you decided to transfer from Cal to Kurt Signetti's Indiana Hoosier team? Is this what you all envision together? Because watching you has been very special this season, brother.
- [102:11]
Fernando Mendoza
Thank you so much. First of all, thank you guys so much for having me on the show. Show. Yeah, I would say it's been a whirlwind. It's been crazy. And I can't thank Hoosier Nation enough for welcoming in Mr. McAfee. I know your wife, Mrs. McAfee, is a Hoosier show. Shout out to her. Hoosier nation's been incredible to me. Coach Signetti has been incredible to me. And it's just been. It's been a journey. Like you said, we've had a ton of fourth quarter comebacks this year, but I mean, it's only been because we have such great guys in the locker room. And it's been an amazing journey so far.
- [102:36]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so whenever you're getting pitched and sold to come to different schools, I assume you know, because this is the way to college football is, especially with an incredibly talented quarterback like yourself. With the special year you guys had at Cal, what did Signetti sell you on? Because his idea I think of winning is like, hey, I want to find the guys that maybe still have a lot of room to grow. He wants to coach up. He wants accountability. Was that something that drew you to Indiana or what specifically was the reason for why you picked the Hoosiers? We're all very thankful, including my bride, obviously.
- [103:05]
Fernando Mendoza
Yeah, yeah, I would say you hit the nail right on the head. Head Indiana and Coach Signetti really sold me on becoming the best Fernando Mendoza possible. And also I have, while having my little brother here, Alberto Mendoza, I was able to get the good, the bad, the ugly, the situation, the transport. Nowadays, it's like speed dating. And there's a couple other blue bloods in the mix. But with the way I saw Burtle develop and Coach Signetti really sawing me on, hey, I don't know exactly. I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know what's going to happen with this season. But I promise you, if you come to my school instead of the other schools, you're going to be the best Fernando Mendoza court quarterback that you can become. And at that point, I was sold. I'm like, let's go. Ready to be a Hoosier?
- [103:40]
Pat McAfee
Hell, yeah. We love that. Good cell Sig. Good cell Sig. Go ahead, AJ.
- [103:44]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, Fernando, you obviously, you seem to be so, like, very mature and really squared away, as they say, and have, like, the. The right things on your radar. Is there any, like, players around the country in college or NFL quarterbacks that you might lean on that you talk to or they even try to model your game after?
- [104:00]
Fernando Mendoza
Yeah, there's a ton of quarterbacks across. I mean, past, present, and even in the future. In college, I look and watch their film past. I would say Tom Brady, that's my guy. I grew up watching him. He's my football idol. My parents are. Are my. Are my character model and idol. But Tom Brady is my football idol. Funny enough, I was actually able to talk to Daniel Jones, my fellow Indiana quarterback this past week. And actually the Wisconsin game. I. I got a. I got a little bit of a black guy here. Nothing compared. Because I was trying to be like him and get the bloody mouth and stuff. But what wasn't to.
- [104:30]
Pat McAfee
Able.
- [104:30]
Fernando Mendoza
Able to. But I was able to talk to him and I've been able to talk some great people throughout this crazy season. So, I mean, it's really been thankful for it all.
- [104:36]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think a lot of people probably want to talk to you, bro. Let's go back to the throw with Omar Cooper Jr. And, well, the catch. And that entire drive, you guys get sacked on the first play of that drive. Must have got to have it as you're throwing obviously through the entirety of the drive. You're dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. And then the throw to Omar Cooper Jr. What is your thoughts? You're throwing this to the crossbar only where your guy can get it. What is going through your mind before you let this one go and after you see the replay, what do you say immediately to Mr. Omar Cooper Jr.
- [105:10]
Fernando Mendoza
I mean, catch of the year. That guy literally saved us a game. What a fantastic catch. What a fantastic play. For sure. The best catch this season. And when we first stepped out on the field, you hear Mo Bamba rocking. It feels. I mean, you feel the stadium pulse. Everyone says Beaver Stadium's loud and you. We really felt it on the field and overcoming to sack on the first play. Everybody bouncing back. Great resilience throughout the drive, great protection by the O line, great catches by all the receivers, tight ends. And then we have the catch of the year at the end. I. I know Omar. You know, he played basketball. He's from Indiana, so has that basketball background. I just try to put it up there. So he could either get like an alley oop dunk or a rebound. And. And he did it. At first I thought, because usually you see the back foot always go down first and then, then the foot closer. But he like somehow levitated his foot to have like this imaginary cush still believe is God. All the glory to God. And then his other foot tap, like not even on the white, but like tapped a little grass. And then we have our offensive captain, Pat Coogan after because everyone's going crazy just pointing at the spot and telling.
- [106:12]
Pat McAfee
The ref, he's in, he's in.
- [106:14]
Fernando Mendoza
I mean, I thought we had to go back out for fourth down, but once I saw the replay and Coach Signetti Whale his arms in the hair. I was like, let's go. Yeah, don't sue me, don't sue me.
- [106:24]
Pat McAfee
You're good, you're good. You're good, you're good, man. Those are believers, me, we've already got a few of those. I will say amen to you about the act of God because it does feel like something special is taking place up there in the Penn State people. Mo Bamba, they're thinking our life's already ass enough. Now you got catch of the year at the end of this. This guy's defying actual reality and physics. It was special and your team has been special. This Indiana run has been special. But you guys have been banged up like a lot of different teams. Go ahead to.
- [106:51]
Tone Diggs
Yeah, Fernando, Elijah Sarat, you're all Big Ten wide receiver. He's been out the last few, but you've had someone emerge. Charlie becker, he had seven catches for 157 yards the whole season. Until the last two games he's had 12 for 226 back to back 100100 yard game. So how big is that going to be when you have Surat, Cooper and now Becker for the playoff run that you're getting another weapon in the offense as a quarterback.
- [107:16]
Fernando Mendoza
It's such a luxury to play with such great receivers. Elijah, they call him Waffle House the man. Omar Cooper, we just saw catch of the year. E.J. williams fans, fantastic receiver. And now Charlie Becker. Charlie's actually funny enough, he's actually my roommate and he's my Alberto's and I's roommate. And it's great to see him out there making catches. He had a great catch that actually got a little superseded by Omar's catch the catch before he had a great fade ball little back shoulder, high point catch in Penn State and I just think it speaks to the culture that we have here in Indiana. It's always the next man up mentality. It's always supporting each other. Elijah's the main guy on the sideline coaching our other receivers up, motivating them along with all everybody else that's banged up. So I would say it's a really strong culture we got here and not only are we winning and it's great all that, we're 11 0, but it's even better they're doing the great people and great teammates.
- [108:01]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it feels like you guys are doing it all right down there and we appreciate the hell out of the way. Signetti operates and obviously buy in can come in many different forms. Sig's not scared to run his mouth a little bit. Go ahead, con man.
- [108:14]
Connor Campbell
Yeah. Fernando, it's an honor to talk to you a month before you in the Heisman. But when it comes to the week's preparation, after a game like that, where you go, you know, 22 or 24 without your number one receiver, to Tony's points, like, what does Sig say to you to kind of keep you motivated, to keep you kind of on edge? Is he talking shit to you? We see him, you know, going into halftime, giving interviews. They're hilarious every single time. It's great watching him operate, but what is he like on the day to day to kind of keep you guys all on locked in? Because it is so much, you know, praise from the outside in.
- [108:47]
Fernando Mendoza
Yeah. Coach Signetti, coming from that same entry, he really uses and coins the term rat poison. He really makes sure to keep you com. Never keep it complacent and always keep you hungry. Coach Sig is always pushing us at practice. If we had, if we've had a sloppy practice in the offensive side, you'll. You'll hear about it. You'll hear about it. And I think he does a great job motivating us not only when we're up, but also when we're down. For example, after the Oregon, during the Oregon, Oregon game, I threw a pick six to tie the game. And at Oregon that time they're number three team in the nation. He came up to me and he said, let's have some fun. You're like, you're good. And at that point it really made sale, made myself go in the present moment, come to a little Zen moment, and I was. And we were able to lead the game winning drive and score a touchdown. So coach Signetti not only has, you know, the hard ass mentality that he's always going to keep us hungry and keep us away from the rat poison, but he also knows what an emotion motivate us. For example, like Wisconsin at halftime.
- [109:38]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Before. What was that two weeks ago? Penn State. Do you have any concerns?
- [109:43]
Connor Campbell
No.
- [109:43]
Pat McAfee
It's game day. Do you have any other questions? What are we talking about here? Excuse me, Excuse me. Excuse me. To come into his own and to come into national prominence this late in his coaching career almost feels like it's perfect time for it. He's already been callous, he's already had to win a bunch of different ways. And whenever he sells somebody, it's obviously believable. Now let's talk about you, the player. Go ahead, debug.
- [110:03]
Darius Butler
Yeah, I play with some very different quarterbacks throughout my career. Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, they all have very different pregame routines in different leadership styles. Well, do you have any quirky things or anything you have to do specifically to get ready for a game? And what would you say is like your leadership style as a quarterback?
- [110:21]
Fernando Mendoza
Yeah, that's a great question. I would say on game day I always make sure to pray. I always make sure to do my daily meditation, 10 minutes a zone in. And I always make sure to watch daily mass on the day of the game. And leadership style, I mean, we have so many great leaders in the team, across the team. So when I first got here in Bloomington, I'm not only able to learn from great leadership from coaches like Coach Signetti, Coach Shanahan and coach Whitmer. I'm also able to learn from great, from a great team. Last year we have all American linebacker Aiden Fisher. I can go on and on about all these different guys and great leaders they are. So I'm able to pick and choose and to see, you know, what attributes can I take and help elevate the leadership on our team, which is already has effect a fantastic culture that I could help us, you know, take us to that next next level. And I would say a couple other things are, you know, quirky. I think it's really good about being one of the guys. You know, we try to go out to dinner every single week on Thursdays. We always do team Bible study. And so having really that camaraderie with the guys instead of just, you know, just being teammates, it's different because we really are brothers. And so whenever, let's say if I set Becker up on a pass, he gets blown up. It's not like, man, I should have not thrown that. I got him blown up. Up. It's like, that's my boy, that's my dog. Like, I don't want to get him blown up because that's my brother. So I think the camaraderie that we have within the locker room and the leadership, not from just the quarterback front, but from all fronts is overwhelming and has really helped this team this season.
- [111:40]
Pat McAfee
In the name of the Padre, Ed Feeling esperity.
- [111:43]
Ty Schmidt
Santo.
- [111:44]
Pat McAfee
Santo. That's what I think I just heard the Mendoza guy. Let's talk about you, the human a little bit here. I've learned through your story about your mom having Ms. And how you're raising money to combat against Ms. Obviously you and your brother are the first pair of brothers to throw a touchdown in the same game. I think a second pair in like 10 years or something like that to accomplish that feat. But you two and your mom very, very close. Obviously you've had to learn about Ms. Through her battle. Now you're raising money for others. Can you talk about that a little bit here? And we appreciate you spreading the news and spreading awareness us about this.
- [112:21]
Fernando Mendoza
Yeah. So my mom is my light, my inspiration. When I had no offers coming out of high school, she was, hey, stay, keep on praying it's going to come. And everything that she's basically told me that's going to come to light has always. She's my inspiration and my positive hope to see her fight multiple sclerosis whenever, you know, she's fighting. Having a hard day. It gives myself no excuse if I have a bad practice, if I have a bad lift to not study and watch more film because she is my why and I do it for, for her. And just to have the opportunity and platform to raise more awareness for her in order to, you know, partner with the National Ms. Society in order to raise awareness and to give money to people who can't afford the treatments. The most close to treatments because there's no cure at this point. It's truly special and it really kind of gives myself a bigger view of why I'm playing football and keep doing it, brother.
- [113:05]
Pat McAfee
You're a good one.
- [113:06]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [113:06]
Pat McAfee
Right now you can buy the burger down there Buffaloes in Bloomington and it'll all proceed will go to the Ms. Society. Last year a cal raised $11,000 through that. Plus there's a donation site where we can all chime in. We definitely will do that to support your cause. Good luck on the Heisman run. You've certainly warranted the case from our angle. You're the man. Thank you for what you're doing for our state, brother.
- [113:28]
Fernando Mendoza
Thank you guys so much.
- [113:30]
Tone Diggs
God bless.
- [113:30]
Ty Schmidt
Go Hoosiers.
- [113:31]
Fernando Mendoza
Thank you for having me on the program. Appreciate it.
- [113:33]
Pat McAfee
You're the man. I heard program there. You dropped it. Well, Fernando, brother, we said what's up as well. All right. As we wrap up here on ESPN and continue digitally, I can't help but say that kid's a good one, man.
- [113:45]
Darius Butler
Draft that guy now.
- [113:47]
Pat McAfee
It's a good one. Let's go through some stats. 3 4th quarter game winning drives on the road this year. He leads the FBS in passing touchdowns and touchdowns responsible for and points responsible for. He's the only FBS quarterback with 30 touchdown passes this season. And obviously him and his brother were the first ones to throw a TD pass in the same game since Arkansas in 2015. This guy's special. Special, special. Only quarterback in the last 20 years to have three games a 90% completion percentage with four touchdown passes. Fernando Mendoza. Ball. We continue on the other side. See you tomorrow. Got it in?
- [114:19]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, he did.
- [114:21]
Pat McAfee
I know one of these stats was the best one and I didn't get it for the first three ones. There was only four on there at least 20 seasons. He's the only quarterback. Three games of 90% completion percentage and four touchdown passes. So 90% completion. It's not just like 10 balls that we're doing? No, it's like 90 completion and we got four touchdowns out there. It's on my shoulders, basically. He's special, that team special. And boy, it feels like Signetti can eyeball talent. It feels like he knows exactly what you need. That's a huge part of the entire process. Everybody's talking about the transfer portal nil. You can flip your team. It's like if you get the right guys. It feels like Sig has an eye for the right guy.
- [115:02]
Darius Butler
Yeah, you got to evaluate talent and on this level, everybody's going to have great talent. But it's about getting the right guys and him saying and remembering what Sig said to him. And you know, as a kid, especially in this environment, when you're talking to so many different coaches so many different times, you can kind of pick up when people are bullshitting you. So him saying, like, hey, you're going to come here and you're going to be the best version of yourself. I don't have a crystal ball. I can't tell you. You're going to be a starter. We're going to do this, that and the third. But you're going to be the best version of yourself as a quarterback. And obviously we see it, you know, coming to fruition right in front of our eyes.
- [115:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I. I appreciate that Sig's doing that for our state. It is cool.
- [115:35]
Connor Campbell
It's so awesome.
- [115:36]
Pat McAfee
It is very cool. And you know, the basketball team is going to be good again too with Devries. But I'll say Devries left a school that might be the next powerhouse.
- [115:45]
AJ Hawk
Who's that?
- [115:46]
Connor Campbell
Drake.
- [115:47]
Pat McAfee
West Virginia University. Oh, he was there for a year.
- [115:50]
Connor Campbell
Oh, yeah.
- [115:51]
AJ Hawk
You remember it was a good year.
- [115:52]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it was a good year. It wasn't a good year.
- [115:54]
AJ Hawk
He set the foundation, didn't he?
- [115:55]
Connor Campbell
Remember the North Carolina guy screwing West Virginia? That's all I remember.
- [115:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Bubba, the athletic director.
- [115:59]
Darius Butler
Happy we got stepping stone to get.
- [116:01]
Pat McAfee
To no See, that's.
- [116:02]
AJ Hawk
Whoa.
- [116:03]
Darius Butler
Congratulations, coach.
- [116:04]
Pat McAfee
I want to let you know that new coach there, Mr. Ross Hodge.
- [116:08]
Ty Schmidt
Ross Hodge.
- [116:09]
Darius Butler
Good ball, coach.
- [116:10]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, Ross Hodge.
- [116:11]
Darius Butler
Can't wait to see where he ends up.
- [116:12]
Connor Campbell
Ross Hodge. Yep.
- [116:13]
Pat McAfee
Same amount somewhere where he's going to end up. Yeah.
- [116:16]
Darius Butler
Hopefully Big east or something. No good program.
- [116:19]
Pat McAfee
He is where he ends up. He's at West Virginia, I'll have you know. West Virginia smacking ass all over the place. Just beating the hell out of people. Beating the hell out of people all over town. West Virginia basketball dominant. Bopping wood. We're out there doing it. And yesterday just landed biggest recruit in the history of West James. What? Wow.
- [116:38]
Ty Schmidt
Wow.
- [116:39]
Pat McAfee
Seven star. They said this guy Miles Sadler, number 23 ranked player in the sports Center. Next talk hundred it's the. It's the best recruit we've ever gotten our lives in the history of West Virginia. Oh, see from this story, modern era, I guess. No, he's not from West Virginia.
- [116:54]
Connor Campbell
Did you guys get a top five last year?
- [116:57]
Pat McAfee
Then a guy left. Oh, and then he.
- [116:59]
Connor Campbell
Oh, and then he didn't end up freeze.
- [117:01]
Pat McAfee
The guy left. This guy says, I want to be a part of the next generation, the next era. And by the way, that era starting right now, the boys who I don't know yet. K on the team, sure, they, they gave a. They. They were asked at the press conference like, hey, what did you want to do? Why'd you want to win this game? Or whatever. And he said because they had pit on their jerseys. It's like, boys.
- [117:19]
Darius Butler
Yeah, like that.
- [117:20]
Pat McAfee
Boys.
- [117:20]
Connor Campbell
It's awesome.
- [117:21]
Pat McAfee
I like what we're doing right now. And then I guess we are. Hell, I mean we are the Cleveland Browns defense in Cleveland. I guess that is our team. And then we fill it up as well. We beat the. Out of pit. I mean, just beat the hell out of pit. I think our West Virginia basketball team, national champs don't look now. And then all also. No, I'm not going to give it away.
- [117:38]
Tone Diggs
No, no, go ahead.
- [117:39]
Pat McAfee
Nope, now's not the time.
- [117:40]
Ty Schmidt
I would say just as I'm not even playing devil's advocate. Just proceed with caution. A lot of things going out there about PIT this weekend having maybe one of like the worst weekends in the history of PIT. Believe the basketball team got beat by a D3 powerhouse as well. The women's day.
- [117:55]
Pat McAfee
That was a win.
- [117:56]
Ty Schmidt
Was it the women's. But either way, that's not good. That's not good.
- [117:59]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [117:59]
Ty Schmidt
Shout out to the script, but West.
- [118:01]
Pat McAfee
Virginia Scranton's a damn good ball they are. Are.
- [118:03]
Ty Schmidt
They are. Obviously West Virginia women's, you know, massive melee. They had like seven girls get ejected. They only had five girls. Exactly. Massive upset.
- [118:11]
Pat McAfee
So the men's WVU basketball team. What do you want? The women's WVU basketball team, actually. What do you want?
- [118:21]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Bingo.
- [118:22]
Pat McAfee
I actually throw him. Eject. Only have five players left.
- [118:26]
Connor Campbell
Wow.
- [118:26]
Pat McAfee
Whole second half we're losing when they started with five. This is against Duke. Not a bad team. End up winning the game. Maybe the most impressive feat that has happened in college sports in some time. That's the West Virginia women's team. The West Virginia men's team's bopping wood all over the place. They're. They're going to be a tough out. Football program back. Should have beat Arizona State. Rich Rod's pissed once we lose to Arizona State. Can't get a yard. Seven, eight different times. If you can't get. Get a yard. I. He said that to the press conference, obviously to the media. And they asked a couple different times what the problem was. And he just basically every single time said, this is what our problem is. I couldn't even imagine what that team meeting was like.
- [119:08]
Darius Butler
Oh, my God.
- [119:09]
AJ Hawk
Imagine if you're an assistant coach, too, Pat. Sorry. Imagine assistant. He. He mentioned coaching multiple times.
- [119:15]
Pat McAfee
Well, that's. That's him saying.
- [119:16]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, that's him. I guess it's on me. That's on me. And I hired you, so that's on all of us. That's on you, too.
- [119:22]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Waste of laundry detergent. Yeah. I thought you were going to be tough. That's what I thought. And then in there, you know, him just doing this. This being the yardage needed, the amount needed. Just. Adam. Hey, Y there. He did this. That looks like it's a good seven, eight inch.
- [119:40]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [119:40]
Pat McAfee
If I had to guess. Six, seven, six, six, seven. And this entire thing. But him doing this right now, that is setting the 10 tone for the entire week. Remember those hills we ran where you guys are puking all over yourselves? Had to get somebody an IV to the hospital. Remember those workouts we were doing? It all came down to it. This is why. Okay? Because of this. Now he has reason. That's the. That's the Big 12 champs. Arizona State.
- [120:03]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [120:03]
Pat McAfee
You know, that's a big deal. Not that they're having Big 12 championship. They were in the playoffs last year, though. In our team. Full rebuild, freshman quarterback, full new locker room. We should have beat him. That's Rich Rod's entire press conference was. They beat us. Congrats to Them and Dillingham and everything like that. But he thinks we should have won that. He thinks we are arriving at the point of where we're trying to be as a program and then this offseason he's going to hit the transfer portal. He's going to be able to get guys that can buy into what it is, knows what they have, what they don't have. Feels like we're in a really good spot. So football doing great. Hoops doing great. I think our soccer teams, both of.
- [120:37]
Tone Diggs
Them are in there.
- [120:37]
Connor Campbell
Baseball, little work.
- [120:39]
Pat McAfee
Rifle obviously. National champs. Baseball. We sell out stadium. I think we do good in the Big 12.
- [120:44]
Adam Schefter
Yeah.
- [120:44]
Connor Campbell
I went to the super, super regionals.
- [120:46]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So now the worry is Ren Baker, the athletic director, you know, and don't say it. He said stepping don't do it.
- [120:52]
Tone Diggs
Well, he's a North Texas guy and he hired a North Texas basketball coach. Are they going to go somewhere together? Is that what Darius is saying?
- [120:57]
Adam Schefter
Whoa.
- [120:58]
Pat McAfee
There's great athletic directors available out there for the jobs that need athletic directors. Ren Baker is just fine. Down country.
- [121:05]
Connor Campbell
High profile one probably going to be coming up here pretty soon.
- [121:08]
Pat McAfee
Ad West Virginia's already. It's already taken.
- [121:10]
Connor Campbell
Baylor.
- [121:12]
Pat McAfee
Oh, West Virginia's already taken. It's not going somewhere else in the Big 12. W is better. Thank you.
- [121:17]
Darius Butler
The Baylor. Yeah.
- [121:19]
Pat McAfee
It's private school.
- [121:20]
AJ Hawk
Who's going to pay him more?
- [121:22]
Pat McAfee
Hey, listen, let's not worry about any of that. Let's just, let's just talk about how what it is and where we're at.
- [121:26]
Connor Campbell
Different down there in Texas though.
- [121:28]
AJ Hawk
You guys are in a good spot. I agree. Good spot.
- [121:30]
Pat McAfee
Thank you. Highest recruit in the history of basketball. Just yesterday.
- [121:35]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Fernando Mendoza
Hold on.
- [121:36]
Tone Diggs
There's no way he's hit snuggle.
- [121:38]
AJ Hawk
He's committed. He's committed. That's good. He'll stay.
- [121:41]
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Darius Butler
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- [123:53]
Tone Diggs
Kind of how tone feels and it is overreaction Monday as well. But no the defense feels like it's getting better each week and the offense they're fine especially with Mace under under center especially.
- [124:06]
Pat McAfee
Well we don't know if that's the case because Aaron Rodgers going to want to fight through this to play I think.
- [124:11]
Tone Diggs
Yeah but you still not his decision.
- [124:15]
Ty Schmidt
It's Mason's decision sounds like is that.
- [124:18]
Pat McAfee
You'Re you're thinking Mason's walking in there and telling the doctors what's going Aaron.
- [124:21]
Tone Diggs
Wanted to come back in yesterday but Mason's out there just slinging it all over the yard.
- [124:25]
Pat McAfee
So what did Mason what did Mason do yesterday?
- [124:28]
Tone Diggs
I believe he's 12 of 16 for almost 200 yards half so I don't.
- [124:33]
Pat McAfee
Know Aaron Rogers if he can play. You have Aaron Rodgers a quarterback for.
- [124:38]
Tone Diggs
Yes you do but in all honesty the last few games he's been get it feels like the rush is getting him to him a bit like even when it's not there it feels like he thinks it's there and Mace hasn't been getting hit all year.
- [124:53]
Darius Butler
So what are you saying?
- [124:54]
Tone Diggs
I'm Just talking about the game of football and what I'm seeing with these eyes. Okay.
- [124:59]
Pat McAfee
Is this all of Pittsburgh you're speaking for? Is this just yourself?
- [125:01]
Tone Diggs
I don't know.
- [125:02]
Pat McAfee
To be honest.
- [125:03]
Tone Diggs
I haven't called back home today to.
- [125:04]
Pat McAfee
See I haven't called back home to see how the Yinzers feel about it all. Certainly pumped up about a win seed against Joe Flacco. Certainly pumped up about something happening great there in Pittsburgh over a great weekend of celebrating Pittsburgh. That was crazy that the University of Pittsburgh Pitt had like its worst sporting weekend. It's had on the weekend where everything was being celebrated about the city of Pittsburgh. That's kind of crazy. That's unfortunate. Good. Nerd. Empty. Yeah, great.
- [125:31]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [125:31]
Connor Campbell
Great.
- [125:32]
Pat McAfee
Scranton women's basketball team. Great WVU men's basketball team, the women's volleyball team that they played against. Very good as well. But on that note, Jeremiah Love is just different. He is literally just different. I think we're going to be talking to him on this particular program at some point. I enjoy his personality. I enjoy who he is. I like how he just seemingly is very transparent and authentic and very good. What was happening at the beginning of the season? Yeah, incredible movie like spin move. I happy, I'm happy that they put that in slow motion. He wasn't getting the ball at the beginning of the season. Is that what was happening?
- [126:06]
Tone Diggs
Do we remember that against Miami? For sure. I can't remember the carries or whatever, but there was a lot of the questions about it. But they have, they have found their.
- [126:13]
Darius Butler
Role with him for now.
- [126:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Wasn't the role already found out last year? This is what this is now. Granted, they got Price too, I think, who's also a great running back. And I assume there's a lot of conversation about him potentially maybe playing somewhere else. So maybe you have to like kind of figure that whole thing out. But it's like this dude's really deal and he's, you know, they talk about Jonathan Taylor and the MVP odds and everything like that. It's like Jeremiah Love conversation for the Heisman should certainly at least peak a little bit of interest at some point.
- [126:37]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, I felt like early on it was the big time. Like, hey, the CJ Car kid doesn't know how to play quarterback. If we just put eight guys in the box and try and stop Jeremiah Love will beat the the Irish. And then C.J. carr after those two losses got very, very, very hot. And he is very good and everyone knows it now. And now that's opened up the middle. The middle Just a little bit. Just enough for him.
- [126:57]
Pat McAfee
I was a big, big time. Yeah, right. Notre Dame makes the playoffs. Guy beginning a season, then you watch Texas A and M kind of do A. Texas A. What a game.
- [127:07]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, what a game.
- [127:10]
Pat McAfee
Hey, now, obviously not good to have any of that on tape if you're Texas A and M. Not good at all that you see that. But the fact that Elko now knows that his boys can come back whenever they're down 27 at halftime, I mean, that's a great little piece of. Of history for your team to lean on during hard times in the future, which are certainly going to come. Did you lose faith in this Texas A M team? I think we all did. But were you worried about them being completely not what we thought they were whenever they were getting their asses beat by South Carolina? AJ I was a little bit.
- [127:42]
AJ Hawk
I'm not gonna lie. I almost sent a text in to the group, like, oh, something about A and M. Nothing like. But just saying, like, wow, this is gonna. How does this change the landscape of college football? And then I just continued to watch the game. I said, oh, these guys are actually going to do this. And it wasn't like. It wasn't one of those comebacks where it's like everything completely fell into place. They had a huge turnover on their own red zone when they were going in. I know later in the game, too, like, they had to continue to fight till the very end. It wasn't like. It was very impressive. I think ultimately this will be great for their football team, the fact that they had to win like this.
- [128:11]
Pat McAfee
D. But tell me a little bit about the conversation of them playing like ass. How should they be ranked? And then them having such a huge comeback. How should that be ranked and viewed? Because in my eyes, and I. I don't think I'm. I don't think I'm the only one that views this way, but I've learned that not everybody views this way. Like, the tough, close, hard wins, I think are, like, vital to your team. But I guess there's some people that are like, why would you have a tough, close game against South Carolina if you're Texas A?
- [128:35]
Darius Butler
I builds character. I've heard some coaches say they, like, sometimes when they lose in the season, kind of humbles, kind of get hit in the mouth and you check yourself, you check your ego. But we saw with Indiana when they had the come back and that play, we talked about Omar Cooper, like, but this is callous. And on all these championship seasons or championship runs, we Saw it last year at Ohio State. They lost to Michigan, lost earlier in the year to Oregon. You have those things. You learn from it, you build from it. Nobody has. I mean, LSU had a really dominant season. That Miami Hurricanes team, where it was like, if their defense only scored, you would still won, you know, 10, 11 games. But you rarely see that in a college or NFL level. So you learn from these moments. I'm sure Mike Elko likes his moment because now you see how your team is going to respond when their back is against the wall. And now if you're in this moment, two, three, four, five weeks from now, and you're sitting down a couple scores in the fourth quarter, you know, hey, we got the guys that can get back in it.
- [129:27]
Pat McAfee
No panic going forward. You would assume from Texas A and M, not that they had it before, but much like you said there, aj, I actually did put a tweet out. Is everything all right? Because I didn't have it all on one of the quad boxes. South Carolina, Texas A and M, I apologize. There's a couple other games. I don't know about this one. And then I just see the score, and I think Gumpy goes, whoa. And I go, what? It was like, I think 20 something at the time or whatever. And then it got even worse. He was like, even worse for Elko. I'm like, What? He goes 30 to 3 at halftime. Wow. Maybe Texas A and M's a bunch of Muppets, you know, Starts turning a little bit because that looks bad. Bad.
- [130:05]
Tone Diggs
Very bad.
- [130:05]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [130:05]
Pat McAfee
So then I. I literally just send out a hey, is everything all right here? Like, what is. Is everybody sick? Like, what is happening? This is not who you were at all. And then by the end of the game, you got to go ahead and update. Yeah, All's good, I guess. Yeah. Largest comeback in Texas A and M history. Shout out to the SEC network putting this graphic out. But, yeah, all is even better than good. It's like, now they're super tested. Not that you need to be super tested and that scared about situations happening, but I think that builds a lot of catalyst. I think that builds a lot of togetherness as well, coaches and players alike. Yeah.
- [130:37]
Connor Campbell
SEC teams were zero, and 286 went down by 27 points. Now it's one in 286. I did see a lot of people say, if it wasn't for that sheriff telling Nick harbor, get your ass back on the field. After he scored that touchdown, there was.
- [130:52]
Pat McAfee
A boy at the end of that. Maybe. Maybe the loudest bull at the end of that thing, if I had to guess. Just kind of. I wanted to place myself in that tunnel just to see. Okay, so when. When old buddy decided not on my field, like, what was that? First down, so many points, touchdown walks by. Like, is it immediate? This is my land. Is that the immediate thought? And then when he turns and sees him down the tunnel. I'm protecting this tunnel. He's doing enough on field. You ain't doing it. And then thinks to himself, I need to let them know that this ain't how we. How it goes. Because, you know, obviously they super slow mot it like they have everything. It clearly extends on to hit them both. This is just like, what are you doing? And why do you need to get down that tunnel at that exact time? A lot of people have questions. Let's say you weren't trying to hit them. I had places to go. They were in my way. Why were they in the tunnel? They're supposed to be on the field. He potentially says, it's like, well, why did you intentionally hit them then? As opposed to not trying to walk around them? It's a tight tunnel. You have no awareness. There's really no defense, you know, for the entirety of all. And I do appreciate, like, there's no out. And him walking back and following him. Yeah, I wasn't going anywhere. I was. I was coming to hit you.
- [132:01]
Ty Schmidt
I thought he was going to draw down on him potentially.
- [132:04]
Pat McAfee
Get down right now. Right now, at least Taser, maybe there's four of them. He. He realized in the middle of that tunnel, once he had made contact with both, boom. He might be outwitted, about bashed out, manned out gunned in that entire thing.
- [132:16]
Ty Schmidt
And the guy that he kind of just like very, you know, like the guy who actually makes more contact packed with. He's not. He's not the problem. It's. It's the other guy who kind of just got in his way a little bit. Like, he didn't. You can see he. He really. You.
- [132:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he just want to score a touchdown.
- [132:30]
Tone Diggs
Yeah. Six, five, two, four, five.
- [132:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. You, you, you in my tunnel. You score a touchdown, you stay on the field.
- [132:37]
Darius Butler
I do love how swiftly he was relieved of duty. Was it before the game was even over? That officer has been kicked out. Easy.
- [132:46]
Pat McAfee
He didn't see come back. He missed the whole comeback.
- [132:49]
Tone Diggs
Yeah, it's an active Twitter account they run over there too. The Texas A and M police department, whatever that was.
- [132:53]
Pat McAfee
That was one refresh saw it. Oh, that looks terrible. That can't be real. Nope. That's real. Whoa. And that feels aggressive for this time of life. And everything that we're in right now, obviously everything's on camera, brother. Why. Why would you even. That can't be real. Isn't it? Nope. It is real. Oh. Everybody's talking about. Yep. Has. He should be. This is next swipe. His ass has been fired. All right. Okay. Just so. So we all saw this the same way. It seems like everybody literally was on the same exact page. And I would like to say from my experience down in Texas, saying them. These people love ball. These people love ball. Now. I don't think they should love ball enough. Where a trooper goes down a tunnel and start a fight with active players who just scored a touchdown.
- [133:38]
Ty Schmidt
Ball.
- [133:39]
Pat McAfee
But Texas A and M, good team. Great football town. Great football town. That was a crazy scene to see there though. Georgia beats the hell out of Texas.
- [133:48]
Connor Campbell
Yikes.
- [133:49]
Pat McAfee
Just beat the hell. They're starting to get home.
- [133:51]
AJ Hawk
Kirby likes his guys. Man. Kirby seems to have a good thing going there. He. I think these players are obviously bought in, but man, they. I like what George is doing.
- [133:58]
Pat McAfee
There was a quote coming out of Kirby talking about how people just want to check, you know, these days they're going to want physicality too. Going to have to want physicality because we're going to hit you and you'll get a check as well. But you are going to have to hit. This defense was questioned at the beginning of the season. They don't get the quarterback. The stats are nowhere near what it used to be. They don't have the same exact type of defense that they used to have. So everybody thinks they're having a down year, which maybe they were for a while. It seems like they're coming into their own at the right time. D. But. Which is what you were alluding to.
- [134:22]
Darius Butler
Absolutely. And winning at home, like they protect his home field. I'm not. When is the LA last time they beaten. That's been a couple weeks ago. Yeah.
- [134:30]
Pat McAfee
But before home. Yeah. They had a 33 game.
- [134:33]
Darius Butler
Okay. So it's going to be tough to beat him at home, especially at this point in the season. And whenever you're questioning a coach like Kirby, smart like the toughness or like the defense, like that's when you. You gonna check that team and you're gonna get. You gonna get their best foot forward. So Texas, they gotta hit the mouth. I know some people are still trying to carry Texas water. Say, whoa. Three loss team get the playoffs. No, no, no. You blew it. And on the flip side of that, George and the boys, they took care of business, man. I like this team and how they're playing right now.
- [135:00]
Pat McAfee
I like Gunner Stockton a lot. He's got a great moxie. Okay, let's pivot away from college ball here very quickly and let's go to the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, Amanda dawned the midnight mode. Okay. A dude who's an absolute dog. A man who will not stop until success happens.
- [135:16]
Connor Campbell
Poking a cool.
- [135:19]
Pat McAfee
How are you, dude?
- [135:20]
Puka Nacua
What up?
- [135:21]
Pat McAfee
What up? Hey, thank you for joining us. Big day for those midnight modes. We thought you guys were never going to be able to talk about him again if you lost. Instead, massive win. How do you feel? How does the boys feel? How the Rams feel right now, man.
- [135:34]
Connor Campbell
It was good.
- [135:34]
Pat McAfee
Just bo.
- [135:35]
Puka Nacua
The boys got out the sauna this morning. I see my dog by and vers in here. The dogs are barking yesterday. So it was good to see them boys out moving around this morning. But I gave my jersey away to Coop, so I'm like, I got one in exchange. So I'm like, I don't know if I'll have the midnight one hung up in a frame, but I'll have a Cooper cup jersey. So I'm not mad about that.
- [135:52]
Pat McAfee
Okay, let's talk about you and Cooper Cup's relationship. Obviously he was a mentor type guy in the wide receiver room for you. Now you have become the one. You have become the guy that defenses think about and fixate on, which obviously opens up a lot for every other weapon that's on that offense, including Devonte. Can you tell me a little bit about your relationship with Devonte Adams and is he stoppable down on the goal line? Feels like that's a fucking layup. An actual layup at this point.
- [136:18]
Puka Nacua
No, literally. And I'm like, his celebration, he kind of messed it up because we were supposed to do some, like, LeBron, like D. Wade, like, alley oop type thing. We had the. We had the hoop set up for the celebration and he didn't even dunk it. Like, the photos look great. We got our rookie month being the little basketball hoop holding his arms and he didn't even duck it. But it pretty much is unstoppable. Like, we get inside the 10 yard line, it's like, all right, you probably should throw seven people at number 17.
- [136:42]
Pat McAfee
Tell me about Stafford a little bit. He is. His. His beard looked phenomenal. The midnight mode feels great. He looks younger than ever. And then Tone actually pointed out yesterday, this guy's got massive calves.
- [136:55]
Connor Campbell
I don't think any.
- [136:56]
Pat McAfee
Anybody's talked about the size of Matthew Stafford's calves until yesterday. He was photographed with these things exposed. And there's vascularity down there and great girth. We're talking girth and vascularity on those calves, Puka.
- [137:10]
Puka Nacua
That's why the keeper game works so well. Like, he's got freaking quads on his freaking calves. Look at those things, right? I'm like, if I had those things, I could run and put my foot in the ground instantly. 20 yard dig routes, speed.
- [137:23]
Pat McAfee
Tell me about Stafford, though. He's spinning it. It feels like. Is he getting even better other than just his calves?
- [137:28]
Puka Nacua
Oh, my gosh. Like the, the calmness and like his ability just to, to have the presidents to move his arm angles and to understand where the defense is. And I mean, the thing this, the thing we say in reason is don't look at my eyes. Don't look at my eyes. So I think it's so funny because it happens every day during the week, and then when it comes on Sunday, it's like, it's even better than what you see on Thursday.
- [137:47]
Pat McAfee
God, A.J. what great a catch, Puk.
- [137:48]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, Puka. How fun is it to watch your defense when you guys, after your offense get a touchdown, you go sit on the bench, get a drink, go over everything. Are you guys watching your defense, like, as a fan, Because I know as a fan of football, watching your defense play, especially the front seven, everybody, all three levels, they are rolling and they, I don't know, they have bad intentions when they get to the ball. I'm sure training camp was. Was fun going against them, but what's it like watching them progress throughout the year?
- [138:11]
Puka Nacua
Oh, it has been absolutely. It was. I think it was pretty cool. Tay was asking, I mean, knowing that we had a big divisional game coming up this week, he was like, man, this just feels.
- [138:20]
Darius Butler
We.
- [138:20]
Puka Nacua
This is an emotional game for everybody. I'm like, hey, Tay, like, as long as we do our stuff on, on our side of the ball there, the. They. They may be seeing ghosts out there tomorrow on Sunday. The dogs, the dogs are barking, barking. I'm like, man, that boy vers by fizz Kobe. I mean, it was funny because I'm like, I remember watching Kobe Durant's pick. He had the same exact pick against Sam Darnold on in the Vikings game last year. Like, textbook field, field out route, step underneath it. And it was like, it was just. It was music to. It was music to my ears to be able to see them. Like, just. Yeah, I. I call Them. The dogs. The dogs are barking. They were going crazy yesterday and hitting on all cylinders and it was fun because it makes our job a little bit easier even when we don't get in the end zone.
- [139:04]
Pat McAfee
It's a young group over there, you know. You think Matthew Stafford's old ass got drafted with me and Debut. DBut has a question for you here in a second. He. He's old as. But you guys have a young nucleus that is just ready and I love that. The dogs are barking is the mindset for that entire defense.
- [139:18]
Darius Butler
Go ahead, D. Absolutely. Your dogs bark in Seattle. They got some dog barking as well. This NFC west as a whole, what's the mindset? Just going into these games week in and week out, you guys are definitely be callous for the playoffs. What's the. Is it a. Is it a different mindset? I know you're trying to win every game. This is a big game for first place in the division. What's the mindset? What's the conversation going into these type of battles?
- [139:41]
Puka Nacua
This one I think especially just with everything that happened in the offseason, getting to see Coupe and especially some of the other guys that have just been with the Rams and then going over there. But it was one that we had. I definitely had circle and everybody. I mean leading up to it Thursday practice is a little bit more physical. Everybody. The defenses. We're not talking to verse and by on. On Thursday practice because like all. Everybody buckle your buckle.
- [140:03]
Pat McAfee
Buckle up for.
- [140:04]
Puka Nacua
For practice. But it's fun because when you go out there, you set a message for the rest of the season and like I wait when we see you again, you know what's up?
- [140:12]
Darius Butler
Hell yeah.
- [140:13]
Pat McAfee
Hey, you still try to run people over, dude. Yeah. You're still trying to do that. Is that going to be forever thing, you think?
- [140:19]
Puka Nacua
Oh, I've never stepping out of bounds. That's soft. That's not how football is supposed to be played.
- [140:22]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. How old are you?
- [140:24]
Darius Butler
How old are you?
- [140:26]
Pat McAfee
24. Okay, we'll talk to you. 29, 30. We'll see how it is. You're an absolute beast, dude. Goose, you're so much fun to watch. Literally, so much fun.
- [140:34]
Puka Nacua
You guys coming out to a game. I saw you. I haven't seen you in a while. I'm like, I feel like you're going out to the games. I know your college game day. You're taking the pics or you're picking against the Cougs and I'm like, what's going on over here?
- [140:43]
Pat McAfee
Well, listen I did say that.
- [140:45]
Puka Nacua
I saw that you said that you love the Mormons, and then I feel like I did. I didn't see you pick the Cougs. I was like, wait, whoa.
- [140:50]
Adam Schefter
Where would he go?
- [140:51]
Pat McAfee
It's a different, you know. You know, I love Mormons. I mean, I'm from Pittsburgh. Love people from Pittsburgh. Pick another day. It's just. It's all. It's strictly business as Coach Corso, you should say, it's. It's. You know, I am trying to have a perfect picks week. One week. Okay. I'm trying my best because the odds get pretty immaculate up there. This past week, there was a couple isolated island picks, but I'll tell you what, us, it's hard to pick against some fan bases because they're so mean if you pick against them. And I'll tell you what, you Mormons, not as me, it's actually. It's actually pretty nice. And I'm not saying why I do it, but I'm just saying it is a nice little feat of it all.
- [141:28]
Puka Nacua
I was going to say you'll probably get cookies made if you. If you don't vote for them, because then they're like, they want you to vote for them next week. So, like, they're. They're trying to set it up. And I know you were scared as could be when that boy AD pushed you off the.
- [141:39]
Pat McAfee
All right, listen, he's still absolutely jacked. Do you ever see him still? He's a monster.
- [141:45]
Puka Nacua
He comes into the weight room and it's like, somehow, like the 180, like, pound dumbbells just, like, appear in our weight room. And I'm like, what the hell are. What's going on? And he's just, like, casually walking in with the cut off tea, like.
- [141:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And you don't really see how jacked he is. And then he stands up. All right, so, yeah, get out of here. Yeah, I'm gonna get out of here. Yeah, get the hell out. Yep. He's awesome. Yep.
- [142:05]
Puka Nacua
Look at those biceps, dude.
- [142:06]
Pat McAfee
This is ridiculous. Yeah, he's. He's got vascularity in his abs, you know? I mean, an absolute monster. And he was great on the show. I don't know if you watched the entirety of it, but he was great. He knew his shit. He understood what was going on, and it was a huge moment for him, obviously. Number Getting retired. How's the season going? How do you feel?
- [142:22]
Puka Nacua
What a legend.
- [142:23]
Pat McAfee
Felt good.
- [142:24]
Puka Nacua
I'm like, man, I. I love. I'm waiting for LeBron to return, honestly. So I'M like, football season a little bit better. I'm like, I'm planning to go to some Laker games coming up soon.
- [142:33]
Pat McAfee
The Lu.
- [142:33]
Puka Nacua
Luca Doncic. I got to see the boy. I'm like, I watched that Wemby game with Steph Curry the other day. That was fantastic. I'm like, the NBA season, I'm like, it's really starting to kick off. That boy KD is going crazy. Yeah. I'm like, you're asking about football, and I went straight to basketball. I enjoy basketball season.
- [142:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I understand. Yeah. And in basketball, huge part of your training. You've told us, obviously. Big basketball fan. LeBron, though. You don't want to go watch the Luca show. You don't want. You're not good with the Luca show. You. You need.
- [143:01]
Puka Nacua
No, I. Luca and Puka. I'm like. I'm trying to figure out. I'm like, if you. If you would have a segment. Segment for us, that would be fantastic. Me and Luca. The Luca Puka with Big goose. I think we could figure something out.
- [143:12]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I think La Luca Puka with. Yeah, I think we could definitely pull that off. All right. Right.
- [143:17]
Puka Nacua
So we get you out. We get you out of Pittsburgh or Indianapolis and come over here.
- [143:21]
Pat McAfee
It's a far trip. You asked me about the game. Coming to a game, that's a long way. Long way, long way.
- [143:26]
Puka Nacua
It's sunny out here. It's. It's California. Well, technically, not right now, but what is it?
- [143:31]
Pat McAfee
How is the weather out there?
- [143:33]
Puka Nacua
It's been raining. It's been terrible. I'm like, My family came out. I'm like, oh, this is so nice. It never rains. It feels 70 all the time. And freaking rainstorm.
- [143:41]
Pat McAfee
That's no good.
- [143:43]
Puka Nacua
We didn't get to go to mass. Malibu. Mom did enjoy that, but mom's cooking tonight, so Mom's about to make some cookies tonight. Hopefully, she makes some hamburger curry. Some hamburger curry would be great.
- [143:55]
Pat McAfee
Okay. Feels like you're putting in an order right now. Potentially.
- [143:58]
Puka Nacua
Corn, corned beef, and spaghetti. I'm like, mom, please be watching Pat McAfee right now.
- [144:02]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, she is. She is. Mama us. You need this. Yeah. Am I allowed to say that? Is that how that worked? Usa Is there a female ooze or how would.
- [144:11]
Puka Nacua
No, no, no. You're Mama Nakua.
- [144:14]
Pat McAfee
Mama Nakua.
- [144:15]
Puka Nacua
Yep.
- [144:16]
Pat McAfee
God, that's a great name. Mama Nakua. Making some cornbread. Spaghetti, I heard. Is that. Is that what we're eating there?
- [144:21]
Puka Nacua
Corned beef and spaghetti.
- [144:22]
Pat McAfee
Corned beef and spaghetti. Oh, Mama Nakua. Ship Some of that to Indianapolis. Yeah, we got bad weather, too. We'll eat a lot of corned beef.
- [144:31]
Puka Nacua
And I got that trench gut still. It comes in the can. The spaghetti comes in the can. Like, the can, like the pop can and, like, corned beef. It's all can. Like, you need a can over. Cook it up. It's from, like, one of the Asian stores.
- [144:45]
Darius Butler
Trenches.
- [144:45]
Pat McAfee
You got to get it. Yeah. It sounds like tonight's about to be awesome at the Nicole.
- [144:49]
Puka Nacua
Well, I. I did wake up with a sausage McGriddle and a hash Brown and a sausage McMuffin this morning. It was fantastic.
- [144:55]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you got to do what you got to do. You're 24 years old. You can kind of do whatever the hell you want at this point. And at some point, you're going to step out of bounds, too. And we're going to watch it. We're going to watch it happen.
- [145:04]
Puka Nacua
Nope. You can bookmark this right now. I won't do it. I'm like, I. I would be doing a dis. A disservice to the gentleman who played before me by stepping out of BO Bounce.
- [145:12]
Pat McAfee
You're an animal. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, first team all pro this year. Gonna happen. Puka Nak. He's the best. He's the best. He's the absolute best.
- [145:23]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [145:24]
Connor Campbell
The man.
- [145:26]
Tone Diggs
Everyone in that locker room loves him.
- [145:28]
Pat McAfee
Everybody, I think just in life.
- [145:29]
Tone Diggs
Yes, that too.
- [145:30]
Pat McAfee
We saw him show up at a thing for the ESPYs, and as soon as he got there, like, everybody just, like, kind of everybody's just bump. Smiling hair. His name's Puka Nagua.
- [145:39]
Connor Campbell
Great vibes.
- [145:40]
Pat McAfee
What a name.
- [145:40]
Darius Butler
Great vibes.
- [145:41]
Pat McAfee
Great vibes. Great player. And then him saying, I'm not stepping out of bound. I would disrespect all the men that played the game before me. What a line. A.J. hawk.
- [145:48]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, it's pretty. Pretty amazing. He's a guy that, like, makes everybody around him happy. I feel like I had a coach. I said that, like, you. I like being around dudes that make everybody feel good about themselves. Like, I feel like that is.
- [145:57]
Pat McAfee
Puka, are you an energy vampire or energy giver? You know, that is kind of the two different. Different sides of the coin that you could be. Pukinaku is certainly an energy giver. Now we put out a tweet that maybe takes some energy out of some rooms. You know, every single Monday, I put out a tweet, I say, good morning. I hope you all are fantastic, because I do hope that it's fantastic. Where do we all stand on the good morning? Have you heard this?
- [146:21]
Darius Butler
No.
- [146:21]
Connor Campbell
No.
- [146:22]
Pat McAfee
Because morning kind of indicates a negative connotation.
- [146:26]
Darius Butler
That's stupid.
- [146:27]
Pat McAfee
Although it's spelled differently. Certainly. Spelled spelled differently. There's people that substitute the word morning so that there's no negativity. So it's a good go rising. Go wakey.
- [146:38]
Darius Butler
Are you.
- [146:39]
Ty Schmidt
If you do that. Yeah.
- [146:41]
Tone Diggs
Who's doing this?
- [146:43]
Ty Schmidt
That is the person doing that. That's immediately where your mind goes. When someone says good morning is why.
- [146:50]
Pat McAfee
Would I mourn anything right now?
- [146:51]
Ty Schmidt
It's a great day. Then you're a piece of. And you need to change your and alter your worldview immediately. Good morning has been said, said since the cavemen and it will be said 2000 years from now. So if you're one of the people out there that's doing that, just stop doing it. Don't do that. And if you are doing it, you know why you're in a bad mood? Cuz nobody wants to be around you.
- [147:14]
Pat McAfee
Well said. Probably right.
- [147:17]
AJ Hawk
So what are you supposed to say?
- [147:19]
Ty Schmidt
Good morning.
- [147:20]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [147:20]
Ty Schmidt
Like a normal human being.
- [147:23]
Darius Butler
Aj, I can see you as a grand rising king type of guy.
- [147:28]
AJ Hawk
I can't respond. But I thinking to myself, say that.
- [147:33]
Pat McAfee
Great morning to all of you.
- [147:34]
Connor Campbell
Thank you.
- [147:34]
Pat McAfee
Great morning to all of you.
- [147:36]
Darius Butler
My favorite thing to say.
- [147:38]
Pat McAfee
So easy. You just kind of get it out.
- [147:43]
Tone Diggs
We do it in here to every. To each other. Every. Every person that walks in.
- [147:49]
Pat McAfee
Is a fun little, little greeting starts the gr. First thing we're saying. The delivery of it. The delivery of it too. Kind of sets the tone for how the rest of the day is going to go. Yeah. Morning. Oh, Jesus.
- [148:00]
AJ Hawk
Think of a coach.
- [148:01]
Pat McAfee
Hey.
- [148:01]
AJ Hawk
Think of a coach walking into a team meeting.
- [148:02]
Pat McAfee
Good morning.
- [148:03]
AJ Hawk
And then he doesn't get the good morning back he wants. And then he yells at a good morning. I said good morning. Everybody else restart the meeting. Like everyone got come back in.
- [148:10]
Pat McAfee
It's so important to society. Good morning.
- [148:12]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [148:14]
Pat McAfee
I'm happy we got to the bottom of that.
- [148:16]
Ty Schmidt
Had to.
- [148:16]
Pat McAfee
Anyway, so I put a tweet out and I say, good morning, beautiful people. Why don't you go ahead and utilize this particular post as a form of therapy for your fandom. All your emotions out. The best ones will actually make the show. And all you have to use is. I don't want to overreact. But. And Ty Schmidt here, who just had his incredible take on Good morning people versus not good morning people, goes through them all and finds his best ones. And the best ones. Ty, how Was today's kind of. Kind of pool of entries, I'd say.
- [148:48]
Ty Schmidt
Pretty solid because yesterday was a great day of ball and there are a couple of, you know, fan bases who today are kind of just reality setting in. We know we're getting to the most important football, and you got a pretty good idea of what your football team is right now.
- [149:03]
Pat McAfee
Well, let's go to somebody that thinks they have a great opportunity to celebrate at the end. This from Tone Diggs. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but Christmas decorations went up this weekend. Football weather is here. Another heated AFC north race is happening. That only means one thing. Mason the Savior Rudolph. Season is upon us. Offense look crisper line blocked a little better. Wide receivers a little more open. Running backs ran a little harder. Might have a cubic controversy in Pittsburgh. And then he found a photo from a church in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, of Mason the Savior Rudolph here. Tone, would you like to explain whether or not that's an overreaction or just a standard reaction from not only you, but Yinzer's everywhere with the Steelers?
- [149:50]
Tone Diggs
Mason has delivered for us in the past in his. In our time of need. And we had a time of need yesterday in the second half, and he delivered it again. And I'm not kidding.
- [149:59]
Pat McAfee
It.
- [149:59]
Tone Diggs
It did. It looked. Everything looked a little. Just a little bit better in the second half yesterday for the offense. And I'm. I'm not saying that Mason needs to start over Aaron. I'm just saying if Mason needs to start over Aaron. If Aaron needs to take some time and heal up this risk that things are going to be just okay.
- [150:13]
AJ Hawk
He.
- [150:14]
Pat McAfee
He.
- [150:14]
Tone Diggs
He stands in there. He takes shots. He's not afraid to throw it downfield. The mustache is unbelievable. I mean, you saw him. He was standing up there on Mount Washington with the. With the icy light. Or icy. Sorry, I see light sign over his. Over his shoulder and those beautiful bridges in his Jesus outfit.
- [150:34]
Pat McAfee
It.
- [150:34]
Tone Diggs
That's how I feel about him right now.
- [150:36]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it kind of has a Davidian outfit, too. I think that's why.
- [150:40]
Tone Diggs
No, that's Jesus. That's Jesus Christ.
- [150:42]
Pat McAfee
No, it looks like David Koresh a little bit.
- [150:44]
Tone Diggs
No, because I specifically told Chat GPT to put Mason Rudolph in a Jesus Christ outfit overlooking Pittsburgh.
- [150:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but what I'm saying is Chat GBT said we can't do that for you, but we can offer up David Kesh. Mason overlooking Pittsburgh with the Iron City beer.
- [151:03]
Tone Diggs
Listen, if Kash is going to bring. Bring a Super Bowl, I'm all in.
- [151:06]
Pat McAfee
See, that's part of the problem. But on that note, football time. The football town. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from R. Lord Zito. I don't want to overreact, but the Bears are going to win the Super Bowl. Our defense is even at full strength and we will still lead the league in takeaways, 22 of them. He was putting that math together as he was piecing it together. Zito's running the stats on the Chicago Bears team. We have the best coach in the league and Caleb is balling. The monsters of the midway are back, baby. Screenshot of the NFC north leaderboard. They're the kings of the north and they should be very proud of the team up there in Chicago.
- [151:45]
Tone Diggs
They should.
- [151:46]
Pat McAfee
Amen. Zito. Zito. You got a little skipping step whenever he comes in. After the victory stakes hit home. This Chicago Bears team feels special, feels different. Ben Johnson's able to go in there and flip an entire culture this quickly. AJ Is that what we're seeing here? And should we talk a bit, little, little bit more about Ben Johnson for coach of the year?
- [152:05]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I think he should definitely be up for it and we'll see that they still get to play the packers two times. And that's why it's great. We're going to get to see who the best team in the in the north is. So, yeah. Ben Johnson's done an unbelievable job. I believe what was the first couple of weeks they already wanted him gone. I feel like Z, other people wanted him out of here saying it's not going to work. And now look at what they have done. They're legit contenders.
- [152:26]
Pat McAfee
Zeke would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He trusted Ben. Ben Johnson. He believed in Ben Johnson. Now Z will just follow whoever is the head coach of the Bears right off of a cliff from what I've learned. But he believed in Ben Johnson. I think they may be, and I'm not saying Zito this, but Zito's friends and other Bears fans, maybe they didn't believe Caleb was going to be a part of the solution as opposed to maybe a part of the problem as Ben Johnson comes in here and tries to win for the first time. Long time. Instead, those two have seemingly got along swimmingly. And I think he's only going to get better in Ben Johnson.
- [152:56]
Darius Butler
Yeah. And I've been loving. I don't know if you guys have been seeing it, but they've been having some, like Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, like some mic'd up moments and just a lot of things I Wouldn't expect from Caleb. Like, he's taken on more of that leadership role, more of the vocal leadership role. And whenever you're winning games, making winning plays late in games, that's a big deal, especially now at the midseason. But they're taking on the identity of Ben Johnson. They're running the ball well. They're playing good defense. The passing game still, I think, has a long way to go to go. But they have the talent at the quarterback position, in the skill position. Loveland, he's becoming a weapon week in and week out. And we know about Rome and DJ and all the other guys on the outside. So, yeah, the arrows definitely pointing up on the Chicago.
- [153:36]
Pat McAfee
There's a Packers fan right there and right there. And there's a Lions fan right back there. Ben Johnson said, give me out of Detroit, keep me in the NFC North. I'm going down, shoot Chicago and I'm gonna run this thing. Are you okay, Foxy? Are the Lions fans okay with what's going on in Chicago? A lot of ball left. But I would say right now, at this moment, with how our offense looked last night and with what the Bears are doing, all I can say is there's something missing in Detroit. And could it be Ben Johnson? Maybe. Could it be Frank Ragnow? Maybe. But there's something going on with our offense. We just don't have the answers like we did last year or in past years. It's a little bit worrisome, but like I said, a lot of ball left. This is what shrags were saying. That's what shrags are saying before the season started.
- [154:24]
Connor Campbell
It is shaping up to be pretty awesome because like AJ Mentioned, two games, the packers still that last game. We've had it a couple years now in a row here with the NFC north in particular. It's going to end up being Bears, Lions. Winner goes to playoff, loser goes home. Especially with the Lions being out on the edge right now.
- [154:39]
Pat McAfee
We have the NFC roads here for all the teams that lead the division to the playoffs. Obviously, the Bears are that team. You got the packers twice got the Niners, the Lions, the Eagles, the Steelers. That's a tough road. Okay, Cleveland at home is good news for Chicago, but whenever you think about if the Bears are able to go through this gauntlet and get to the playoffs and still be in the lead, I think we'll all be believed for sure. Good, better, best right there. It's starting to happen. Never lay the risk till you do it as better. And your better is your best. If they were able to get through that entire thing, I mean, that'd be quite a murderous row. We're happy for you, Chicago Bears fans. You guys have obviously been through. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This one's from Noah at Real X Clarity. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but the Broncos are back, baby. Fraud this, fraud that. Only two losses by four combined points, best D in the league, and Bo Nicks with the most fourth quarter comebacks in a QB's first two seasons in NFL history. Wow. He's that way reincarnated for our lucky selves to watch. God bless Bo Nix. I'll tell you what, Sean Payton loved Bo Nix whenever he drafted them, you know, last year. Obviously they go through their growing pains, get very good this offseason. Is the quarterback a guy or not? Feels like in the biggest moment here, he played his best ball. And Sean Payton offensively, we assume, is always going to be good. Unless he's getting de cleated or de Jordan. By the way, by refs on the sideline. That Broncos team is exactly who we thought they were.
- [156:03]
AJ Hawk
It feels like AJ Yeah, their defense obviously stands up when they need them against the Chiefs. And it's hard for me to get that image out of Sean Payton getting blasted on the sideline. Yeah, you gotta stay out of the white. You know those refs, those refs will come screaming down that sideline. Sean Payton gets hit right in the back, has no idea what happened. Yeah, penalty on him, I guess, but man, that's. That's a tough look, but it's. Oh, my goodness.
- [156:23]
Ty Schmidt
Good sell by the ref.
- [156:25]
Pat McAfee
Does full sell, full body roll. Sean Payton also wants to fight the guy thinking two flaps.
- [156:30]
AJ Hawk
What if he charged him? What if he started bear crawling after him?
- [156:33]
Pat McAfee
He did eyeball him there afterwards. I wonder if he was like, what the hell is your problem? And then the ref's like, well, you. You're my problem at this moment. I don't know how that goes.
- [156:42]
Ty Schmidt
Sean Payton hanging the drive by flag of the ref.
- [156:47]
Adam Schefter
Yeah.
- [156:47]
Ty Schmidt
Tosses it up and just keeps running.
- [156:49]
Darius Butler
Kind of just look at him.
- [156:51]
Ty Schmidt
That's a flag rate.
- [156:55]
Darius Butler
I didn't even see the drive by one.
- [156:58]
Pat McAfee
He lands perfectly at Champagne. He's definitely lands right.
- [157:05]
Darius Butler
What a toss.
- [157:06]
Pat McAfee
Oh, that's a flag one time. Boom, he's down. Somebody's watching. And I got to get my guys back. Running full speed. Go ahead, toss that thing.
- [157:18]
Darius Butler
Bang.
- [157:18]
Pat McAfee
That's how he flash.
- [157:21]
AJ Hawk
Jeez, good work.
- [157:24]
Pat McAfee
That's amazing. All Right? Yeah. Good. Hey, congrats. So you guys need to stop taking these big shots on the sideline. Let's go the next overreaction, shall we? This one is from Ethan Todter. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but I hate having hope going into a season. The window is closed. Blow everything up and go back to poverty. Jared Goof couldn't hit the broadside of a boy barn last night. I'd rather put the bags back on and change. So the team we're calling for, we paper bags over our heads again. We cannot be this fan base. This is the worst tweet I have read in, like, 20 years of being on Twitter. I hate this tweet. This is the worst fan ever. Get this guy out of Detroit. Okay. We went 0. 16. First in NFL history to go Owen. 16. This guy wants to go back to that. We had Matthew smith Stafford for 12 years. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. He's got the Rams playing great. He won a Super bowl for them. We couldn't even win a playoff win with the guy. That's how bad we were as a franchise. That's how bad we were at hiring coaches, getting the right guys around him, offensive line, run game, you name it. Matthew Stafford didn't win one single playoff game. And now we're six and four. We just lost to the defending super bowl champs. And this guy, this guy Ethan Toder wants to go back to the paperback days. I'm out on this guy. This guy sucks. No, Foxy Ethan speaks for a lot of people up there in Detroit. No way. I hate any fan that thinks this way. I hate anyone that doesn't. Like Jared Goff. By the way, yes, he played pretty bad last night. And that's gonna happen from time to time against the best defense of the league. But that guy wants a playoff game. All right? That guy started out terrible. And everyone said, get him out of town, and he stuck with it. Mcdc stuck with it. Won us a playoff game, got us the NFC Championship. Championship. Never happened in my life. And this guy, this fan, wants him out of town. He sucks. Tor sucks.
- [159:19]
Darius Butler
Is it true? Was he.
- [159:20]
Tone Diggs
I saw somewhere that Goff was wearing mittens last night.
- [159:24]
Pat McAfee
That's not true. Yeah, he just wore two gloves.
- [159:26]
Connor Campbell
No, no mittens underneath his gloves. I saw that. Same exact thing.
- [159:29]
Pat McAfee
I didn't see that.
- [159:30]
Darius Butler
Where?
- [159:31]
AJ Hawk
Your finger. Yeah, individual fingers, like sticky bandages.
- [159:34]
Pat McAfee
Oh, this one. The one that folds over. Yeah.
- [159:36]
Darius Butler
He didn't wear that.
- [159:37]
Pat McAfee
Seems so. He had the Nike ones that were the glove and then they flipped right over in between sliding gloves. Almost.
- [159:44]
Ty Schmidt
Right.
- [159:45]
Connor Campbell
Allegedly, Johnny Morton was walking around the sideline going.
- [159:52]
Pat McAfee
So easy.
- [159:53]
Darius Butler
I'll figure it out.
- [159:53]
Ty Schmidt
Okay, Good call. On every fourth down walking by. Nice call.
- [159:58]
Pat McAfee
So many.
- [160:00]
Darius Butler
He was thinking it.
- [160:01]
Pat McAfee
Maybe Johnny Bella last night lays his head down just like I said. That's right. We gotta remember what cone said last week, right? Last week was Commanders. Mcdc called those place this week. Or this week was the Eagles. Johnny Moe called those next week we're back to the Giants. Mcdc gets us. Week after that, Johnny Mo gets the packers. And then we just keep going back and forth. Not a bad idea, especially if you're a head ball coach. Yeah, but on that note, I don't like seeing the Jared Goof thing again from Toter. Okay? This man's a new man. This man's getting his name chanted around the entire city.
- [160:36]
Tone Diggs
It's not worse than that.
- [160:37]
Pat McAfee
This guy's done it. Yeah, you're saying Ethan Tutor was towing the line of being kind versus what everybody else.
- [160:43]
Tone Diggs
Pretty big NFL account. Say Jared Goff when it's whatever degrees are colder and it was picture of Orlowski.
- [160:50]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, no.
- [160:52]
Pat McAfee
Let's ask him how he feels about this. I mean, that's a shot at a couple people there.
- [160:56]
Darius Butler
Well then I'll just put out a list.
- [160:58]
Pat McAfee
If you, if you.
- [161:00]
Darius Butler
I forget.
- [161:00]
Connor Campbell
If you take away drops.
- [161:02]
Darius Butler
Drops and weather under 30 degrees and offensive line missing their assignments and something else, then these are the top five quarterbacks.
- [161:09]
Pat McAfee
Orlovsky put that tweet on epa.
- [161:11]
Ty Schmidt
Goof is number one.
- [161:12]
Connor Campbell
And plus Orlovsky hearing that he would be compared to Goof. He's licking his chops.
- [161:18]
Pat McAfee
No, Remember guys allowed to have bad game now him showing up with two gloves when he never did does that kind of worrisome. Join us. Now, ladies and gentlemen, is the guy who people are saying is actually Jared Goff under 50 degrees of weather? Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Good morning, Dano. I know you got TV in a couple minutes. We apologize for interrupting your pre show routine. I know you have to meditate and all that. So the. The thought of them saying Jared Goff at his absolute worst is Dan Orlovsky. How do you feel about that? And why did Jared Goff not play good? That's up. I'm saying it. I'm telling you it's up. I don't like it, but it is. What's happening? Why? What happened to Jared Goff? And why does he wear two Gloves sometimes and not all the time.
- [162:00]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [162:00]
Pat McAfee
I would tell you what happened to him. Was the Eagles defensive line exposed. The Lions offensive line, that was the best front that the Lions offensive line has played all season long, probably since at least week one. Green Bay and the Jalen Phillips Carter combo is just, you know, dominant right now.
- [162:17]
Adam Schefter
Jordan Davis.
- [162:18]
Pat McAfee
So Jomo Hunt. I think Jared was over 12 last night under pressure, so it was more so the Lions offensive line just getting dominated and then sticky coverage. I don't know why he's wearing two gloves. My guess is the temperature and the, you know, the trying to keep grip on the ball as much as he can. I know it was windy last night. I don't necessarily take offense to Jared being me under certain weather, so. But that was more Phillies defense line kicking the absolute, you know what out of the Lions offensive line. Foxy, please run it. Yep, there. That's what they said, Dan. I don't like it. That's good. When he has to play outside of the dome without a perfectly climate controlled environment. NFL means Internet, man.
- [163:03]
Connor Campbell
It's so good.
- [163:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. NFL means good account too. Good account. They get there, they. They stay ahead of the game. And I thought this was rude. Rude to both parties because Jared Goff is a great quarterback. We think he has proved he's a great quarterback. Everybody wants him not to be. You have a bad game, they're going to attack you just like it's more of a knock on Jared than it.
- [163:21]
Ty Schmidt
Is Jared the one who should be offended, not me.
- [163:23]
Connor Campbell
Right?
- [163:23]
Pat McAfee
Like I'm constantly getting an uptick.
- [163:25]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
- [163:27]
Darius Butler
No, you should be offended too.
- [163:29]
Pat McAfee
I don't give a fudge. Yeah, you fudge it all. Good luck on tv. We appreciate the fudge out of you, dude. Later. And one more thing on Coder's tweet, he wants to go back to the days. No disrespect, because I see Dan is still. He wants to go back to your Lovsky days. And that's why Toter is a terrible fan for the Detroit Lions. Dan, this is uncalled for. I just want to let you know that. Dan, this is outrageous. Oh, it's so fudge and rude. Then we mute him. All right, Dan. Thank you, Dan. That was tough times there for Dan Arloski.
- [164:11]
AJ Hawk
If you don't have any expectations, then you. You can't be let down, I guess. Right? So you just expect to be terrible. Is that what they want?
- [164:17]
Pat McAfee
I've heard a coach say that if we win too much here, people are going to expect us to win a Super bowl. And then when we can't do that, then we're all going to get fired.
- [164:26]
Darius Butler
The coach did you heard a. Oh.
- [164:28]
AJ Hawk
That must have been a hall of Fame coach.
- [164:30]
Pat McAfee
Coach. Nope, nope. Ass coach. Yeah.
- [164:33]
AJ Hawk
Shocking.
- [164:34]
Pat McAfee
Wasn't coach for my team, but I heard in conversation for other team and I immediately go, wow, that's a cancer in the building. If you get that mindset or mentality in there.
- [164:45]
Darius Butler
Wow.
- [164:45]
Pat McAfee
Sounds like that's what a fan mindset potentially is like. If we're just not. If we're too good right now, expectations will get crazy. We just need to remain ass. So then we get down in the game, we fucking get a hot dog. Maybe Eminem will be here. Speaking of breaking news for the Detroit Lions, you are not asked. And your Thanksgiving performances are only going to get better. Eminem has signed on to become the conductor, executive producer EP of the halftime shows. We all remember the Jack Harlow experiment that happened a couple years back. So good, Jack Bamboozled, I believe there by the setup and everything. Me. This year's halftime show for Thanksgiving game for the Detroit Lions. Jack White, good selection. You know where he's going? Wichita, dude. Okay. And he's going to Detroit for Thanksgiving, his hometown. I genuinely don't know how many songs he has to play or needs to play, but, boy, if you just play that one, I think it'll be a much better success than anything else going on anywhere else.
- [166:01]
Darius Butler
What other bangers does he have?
- [166:03]
Pat McAfee
All of them.
- [166:03]
Darius Butler
I know everyone knows that one.
- [166:05]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, all of them got a lot.
- [166:07]
Connor Campbell
Not everyone does know that one. We learned this morning, actually.
- [166:10]
Pat McAfee
Really? Deon doesn't know. Yeah. Oh, Deone Steon doesn't know Different.
- [166:15]
Darius Butler
Is that they going to get.
- [166:16]
Tone Diggs
Is that Jack White, too?
- [166:17]
Pat McAfee
No, no, no, no.
- [166:19]
Connor Campbell
That's Matt Damon, who was.
- [166:20]
Darius Butler
Who was the guy freestyling the Steelers locker room.
- [166:23]
Pat McAfee
Oh, you talking about Matt?
- [166:25]
Connor Campbell
I thought that was Eminem.
- [166:26]
Pat McAfee
You're talking about Mack.
- [166:27]
Darius Butler
I did too, initially.
- [166:28]
Pat McAfee
Harry Mack, I believe is his name. He's outrageous. I mean, he's outrageous. He was able to get biblioteca, I believe in there at some point. You know, just a freestyle of brain. Unbelievable rhymes. I. I do wonder how many rhymes he has at all times in his brain.
- [166:44]
Darius Butler
He's just off the top every time.
- [166:46]
Pat McAfee
Knee words.
- [166:47]
Darius Butler
It's impressive.
- [166:47]
Pat McAfee
He gets a word from 10 different people and then he has to go back through it, obviously, and memorize what everybody's word is. And then he just kind of goes down the line and through it all. You Know, telling a story while freestyling, it was. He's an impressive being. I've seen him on the Internet for some years now and he has the ability to do the most absurd thing. As soon as he walks in there and says, I need some words, somebody says, orange. He says, I do it literally all the time. Thank you so much. No problem. And he's like, like that's kind of his gimmick, him traveling around. He was the creator of the week or something like that. The NFL's creator of the Week. I think the NFL was trying to reach out to more creators to do stuff.
- [167:20]
Connor Campbell
Steelers got the Wiggles or Kids Bop next week or who, who's next up for this one?
- [167:24]
Pat McAfee
I don't know who the next creator of the week would be, but I do know that they want, they're wanting to know now with Harry.
- [167:30]
Connor Campbell
That's a good point.
- [167:30]
Pat McAfee
What happened to the Rams? I saw a new O's. Was there a new O's?
- [167:34]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, no, it was just a segment on, on Sunday, NFL Countdown of O's doing. And who knows when they did it. It might have been like before the season, but it was, you know, classic O's play. The hits do all the same. He does with. In every NFL locker room. Hey, Stafford, I want you to stand up here and think of who you're.
- [167:49]
Pat McAfee
Going to throw the ball to.
- [167:50]
Ty Schmidt
Just think of who you're going to throw the ball to. And we, I mean, we've all seen, you know, this song and dance. He throws it to. Devonte. Devonte, stop. Go ahead and take this permanent marker and write down the score of the Super Bowl. Visualize in your mind the team you're going to play as well. What do you know? He gets that. That too. But let's take it a step further. Matthew, I want you to, you know, who then who after devonte, who else you gonna throw to? And what do you know?
- [168:12]
Darius Butler
No way.
- [168:13]
Ty Schmidt
The two other guys that Matthew's thinking of put their jersey numbers together.
- [168:18]
Connor Campbell
Boom.
- [168:18]
Ty Schmidt
Aunt Devonte's palm. 2314. They're beating the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Unbelievable. But, you know, it's, I mean, actually sick. It's. It's good. It's good stuff. But it is just kind of the recycled O's.
- [168:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but every time you think he's not gonna get. Get it right, that's the. Well, this.
- [168:36]
Ty Schmidt
I don't know if everybody thinks that. I certainly think that.
- [168:40]
Pat McAfee
Well, that's the thing is there's always the chance that he's going to miss it cuz it's so aggressive.
- [168:45]
Ty Schmidt
But then I was also thinking no it's not.
- [168:47]
Darius Butler
It doesn't miss well.
- [168:49]
Pat McAfee
Oh I know but that's the problem.
- [168:51]
Connor Campbell
Miss once with a bunch of people.
- [168:53]
Pat McAfee
No, but that was tough. I think that was once again that was very aggressive. Like the things he tries to do it feels are very, very, very, very aggressive. Right. But you knew scores exact this exact that.
- [169:04]
Ty Schmidt
You knew that wasn't going to happen because it was a pre produced segment on NFL Countdown. Now it would have been funny.
- [169:11]
Pat McAfee
Oh, so you're saying it would would.
- [169:14]
Ty Schmidt
Have been pretty sweet if you have just like up and they would have been like got to keep it so sorry that that happened. But you can see magic is, you know, you never know what's going to happen with it.
- [169:23]
Pat McAfee
Every time though, I, I get worried for him. Like anytime I'm up there with him I have a general sense of anxiety. Just like oh man, you're going really, you're really going for it, right? Yeah, you're really going for like this is way too much. All right. And then he, he has had me be a part of a couple of them. I'm like bro, don't do that. Like don't have me be a part of this. Like I don't want to this up. You know like you're gonna think of a school, you're gonna think of a school, you're gonna think of a school or whatever a university. I'm like okay, which one you want me to think of buddy?
- [169:51]
Connor Campbell
So many.
- [169:51]
Pat McAfee
So I just think of them like yeah, there's 130. You can do one. They're all pretty good. Would be sick if I drop some random one on you screen but I don't want to it up. Yeah, maybe Scranton. You ever heard of them? Great women's basketball. So it's always a lot. He's always very aggressive PIN numbers. Like hey, what's a super personal, super specific number? PIN numbers, two jersey numbers. What is a specific score? He's just very aggressive.
- [170:17]
Ty Schmidt
That was kind of like career on the line every time you do do that.
- [170:20]
Pat McAfee
Yes. That's everything he does. It's like bro, I don't think you have to go that far.
- [170:23]
Tone Diggs
The one of Darius was the most.
- [170:25]
Pat McAfee
Pressed one I've ever seen scrolling in the phone that.
- [170:27]
Darius Butler
Yeah, that was nuts to get the name number one and then the emoji.
- [170:31]
Tone Diggs
Yeah.
- [170:32]
Pat McAfee
But also that's aggressive there.
- [170:33]
Darius Butler
Very extremely this. He had taped the comment like yeah. Was that Detroit?
- [170:39]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was wild as well. He also just posted. I think it was on the Today show or Good Morning America. America. And he basically had this guy who was interviewing him. He was doing his whole stick. And he said, like, think of the person that you would want to, you know, interview, dead or alive. And the guy is talking about how, like, I've never told. Said this to anyone, told anyone about this. And then right before they shook hands always goes, change your mind. Change your mind. Change your mind right now. And the guy changed his mind. And he goes, bob Marley. And the guy was just like, what the. And the guy like, couldn't even speak.
- [171:12]
Ty Schmidt
I don't know.
- [171:13]
Darius Butler
I didn't see that.
- [171:14]
Pat McAfee
Cuz guy was thinking. You were thinking about.
- [171:15]
Darius Butler
I swear to God, when you first said it, the first.
- [171:18]
Pat McAfee
Wait a minute.
- [171:19]
Darius Butler
I said bob Marley. I swear to God. And I haven't seen what. That's crazy.
- [171:27]
Pat McAfee
You're a little O's puppet. Maybe you have the ability, brother, to.
- [171:32]
Connor Campbell
If I was ever an O's puppet, shoot me in the head.
- [171:36]
Pat McAfee
I don't think you would know. No. If you were.
- [171:38]
Connor Campbell
That's a good point.
- [171:38]
Pat McAfee
That's O's football.
- [171:39]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, right.
- [171:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but he's, he's the. Yeah. All of it is just so very aggressive. Like you're, you're, you're.
- [171:47]
AJ Hawk
Even if he messes up, I think he's good enough to talk his way out of it and craft it into something else, maybe.
- [171:53]
Pat McAfee
See, that's what I'm saying. He doesn't leave himself a lot of outs like that. That is what I'm saying. Like, everything has to be exact or does. Because he does callbacks in his sh.
- [172:04]
Connor Campbell
Yeah.
- [172:04]
Pat McAfee
And it's like everything has to be there for it all. It's stressful. I don't know how he gets through.
- [172:09]
Connor Campbell
It would be an interesting read. I kind of do want to get his book just to see what it says in there. But then I think he's just going to gimmick the whole thing. Like, I told you to buy this.
- [172:15]
Pat McAfee
Book and now you're reading it. Last page.
- [172:18]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
- [172:19]
Pat McAfee
Let's go to another overreaction, shall. This is from Drew Cowgill. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Vikings are dead. Nine is the second coming, of course. Christian Ponder. Ooh, another superstar wide receiver's career being wasted in Minnesota. This dude. I don't think we can say that about nine just yet. Jeez.
- [172:40]
Ty Schmidt
I'm down.
- [172:42]
Pat McAfee
To say what?
- [172:42]
Connor Campbell
To say that about nine just yet.
- [172:44]
Pat McAfee
What about Drew Cowgill, though? He Needs a little bit of hope. Nine's not done a lot better. This is basically his rookie year.
- [172:49]
Connor Campbell
Well, it's tough. And yes, I do agree, like he's only played 10 games. I have a feeling if Nick Mullins was starting there, six and four.
- [172:59]
Pat McAfee
Aaron Rodgers too. Potentially their quarterback. Sam Darnold, potentially their quarterback. Now people are saying Sam Darnold last night is exactly what we thought Sam Darnold was going to be, which is why we didn't want him. Sam Darnold's going to have to fight through that for the rest of his career until he wins the super bowl, which we think Seattle potentially could. But there's a lot of quarterbacks not at Minnesota that could be at Minnesota right now. Danny Dimes was in that building that was potentially a guy. He's going on to obviously lead the Indianapolis Colts to things that we've never done before. So there's a lot of Minnesota, Virginia, Vikings fans thinking what if? I think too a lot of what ifs because of where they were last year and where they could have been. Kirk Cousins, even a couple years back. There's just so much what if with how good the team is and then you watch him literally miss. I mean, there's some, there's some misses that are like little league type stuff misses. Then there's some, you know, some throws that get made late that are like must haves that happen. Then there's some fastballs that take place where you don't need. Need a fastball and then there's some misses where we don't need it that are kind of low. It's like he has the ability, I think at somewhere in there to make the big plays. He's gonna have to work to that though. So maybe his first off season, this upcoming off season, he'll be able to make a huge leap. Is that the expectation, AJ I would assume so.
- [174:07]
AJ Hawk
But I mean if, if Santos misses that kick or is anyone upset with. With J.J. mcCarthy and the Vikings, are they sweeping under the rug? Hey, we're good to go. This Guy's a gamer.
- [174:15]
Darius Butler
NFC Offensive Player Week again.
- [174:18]
Ty Schmidt
122 yards.
- [174:19]
Pat McAfee
Talking about nine.
- [174:20]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I mean that's what I think they need to do. I think they need to do a human sacrifice. Go get like a crash test dummy, put the JJ McCarthy jersey on him and then take like a rocket launcher or like a machine gun and just you gotta kill nine and we need j.
- [174:33]
Tone Diggs
Give a different number. Oh, he needs a new number.
- [174:35]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, there you go.
- [174:36]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, change jersey. You can do that.
- [174:38]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, that'd be sweet.
- [174:39]
Pat McAfee
40. Yeah, 47.
- [174:43]
Connor Campbell
47.
- [174:46]
Pat McAfee
What number would look good?
- [174:47]
Tone Diggs
He can't be none anymore.
- [174:49]
Connor Campbell
What about 99?
- [174:51]
Pat McAfee
Oh, what about 12 loves Tom, right?
- [174:53]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, let's put him in Brady's number. That won't go bad. I think it's. I think it's so bad. I think it's Defcom 5 up there. They had 14 wins and going into the season there were some people who I won't name were basically saying like, hey, look, there's to be better than they were last year. They might not win in the the same amount of games, but they're going to be better.
- [175:14]
Ty Schmidt
And then you think about, sorry, keep. Keep going, keep going.
- [175:18]
Connor Campbell
Well, yeah, you just got lost in a new number.
- [175:21]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but you're right, there were people with high expectations for nine.
- [175:23]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, seven.
- [175:24]
Pat McAfee
What are you looking up?
- [175:25]
Ty Schmidt
I was, I was going to say what number is Christian Ponder? Because they may have been playing into.
- [175:28]
Pat McAfee
This thing the whole time frame to change his number.
- [175:31]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, but I don't remember because like this guy mentioned Christian Ponder was pretty, he was out pretty quickly in Minnesota.
- [175:36]
Pat McAfee
Let's go to completion percentages in the Koc offense out there in Minnesota. Nick Mullen 70.3 is. Was spinning it. Yeah. Kirk Cousins 67.1. Darnold 66. Carson Wentz, remember him over there? 65 DOB 62.9. JJ McCarthy 52.9. But once again, he's not technically a rookie, but kind of. Yeah. And this was a massive bet that the Minnesota vikings placed on JJ McCarthy because they knew they had a team that could go on a run. And are they saying. Did I hear it right? Justin Jefferson's getting frustrated. Oh, yeah. I don't think that's true. Is that true?
- [176:08]
Ty Schmidt
He was frustrated yesterday big time.
- [176:10]
Tone Diggs
They move up.
- [176:11]
Connor Campbell
I mean, think about Justin Jefferson. You throw it 10ft in the area and he'll catch it. And this guy can't even do that.
- [176:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, his catch radius is maybe the largest in the NFL.
- [176:20]
Darius Butler
He's still controlling it though.
- [176:22]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah, he was.
- [176:23]
Darius Butler
You know, he wanted to slam his great teammate and then he had a great block of touchdown on the touchdown. Surfing the sea. So he's, he, he's holding on the hope.
- [176:34]
Pat McAfee
I think that was a good surface, by the way, especially with the angle that the C was. I agree. I think Justin Jefferson is like great leader and I think the way he's always talked about, especially whenever they chose to go to JJ McCarthy with all the success he's had with everybody else him saying hey, it's his team. I'm just here to hopefully make him better. Addison the same way. So I owe nothing against him but boy, that's going to be tough. That's a tough pill for them all to swallow. They're fighting for number one seed in the NFC and then now it's like can we beat any good teams? I don't think so.
- [177:00]
Darius Butler
He's.
- [177:01]
AJ Hawk
I mean Justin Jefferson, I understand him being a little bit frustrated. I'm a okay with that. I'm all right with it. He's not going to get in his quarterback's face on the sideline. He's frustrated that you know the lack of production on the offense.
- [177:11]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. He's allowed to be. And on that note, it looked like the overthrow Olympics for a while.
- [177:17]
Ty Schmidt
It did this game, both of them.
- [177:19]
Pat McAfee
Just overthrow and then you, you got Matt Stafford spinning it and you watch him throw and it's like never missing. That guy's never missing a thing. And then you see Josh Allen doing his thing and it's like never missing. Patrick Mahomes in Chiefs. Are they dead.
- [177:35]
Connor Campbell
Until they have 10 losses. Who do they have is maybe then I'll comfortably.
- [177:40]
Pat McAfee
That's right. That's why we put a question mark on.
- [177:42]
Tone Diggs
They have a good bounce back opportunity.
- [177:44]
Pat McAfee
This week or Colts not to win.
- [177:48]
AJ Hawk
That is a good opportunity because Colts are a really good team. So if they beat them here we go both ways.
- [177:52]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, true.
- [177:53]
Pat McAfee
And the Colts we don't know what Shane Steichen is off of bye week. We have no idea. You know how they always have those unbelievable like hey insert name a coach here after a buy lot of games and then this. We don't know about Shane. Shane's not really had a football team since he's been a head coach.
- [178:07]
Connor Campbell
True.
- [178:07]
Pat McAfee
He had like 14 different quarterbacks different times. Almost took Garner Minshew to the damn super bowl boy.
- [178:16]
Ty Schmidt
What it's a murders row for the Colts to finish.
- [178:20]
AJ Hawk
That is not. I mean the Jags are for real man too like this is Jags.
- [178:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. They just pounded the Chargers. Texans defense absolutely pounded the Chargers. Yeah. Texans defense good Ken, good again Seahawks.
- [178:34]
Darius Butler
This a good looking road boy.
- [178:35]
Connor Campbell
I mean Pat. The Pat sketch was pretty tough too. Let's not, let's not sleep on that one too.
- [178:39]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I mean the Bengals difficult squad. Especially after what just happened with Steelers. The Giants you never know what you're going to get with them. It was nice to see Scaboo and Jackson dart at the game.
- [178:49]
Darius Butler
It was super, super, super, super dope.
- [178:53]
Pat McAfee
That was super dope. I like the way that was being reported. Look at these guys. Good teammates coming to the game. Washer team. Where the hell are they supposed to be?
- [179:03]
AJ Hawk
I don't know.
- [179:05]
Darius Butler
Kicking it Sunday. I don't know.
- [179:06]
Tone Diggs
Cats everywhere.
- [179:08]
Darius Butler
You want to go.
- [179:09]
Pat McAfee
Scat is everywhere. He's beloved. He was at the UFC fight. I saw a lot of people wanting to take photos with him. He was obviously, I think, at the Knicks game. He's showing up to work. York.
- [179:18]
Darius Butler
Yeah.
- [179:20]
Pat McAfee
Super dope.
- [179:20]
Darius Butler
Home game.
- [179:22]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [179:22]
Pat McAfee
Jordan Schultz reporting on the arrival. I think it's super dope that both Jackson, Darton, Cam Scatter Boo pulled up together to support their Giants teammates. That's right. Showing up.
- [179:31]
Ty Schmidt
That is super dope. I I It is, yeah.
- [179:35]
Pat McAfee
Response, obviously. And I agree, showing up to work is pretty dope.
- [179:40]
AJ Hawk
Pretty good response.
- [179:42]
Pat McAfee
Normally you can't hear all the sarcasm and condescendingness in a tweet, but that one read really clear.
- [179:48]
Ty Schmidt
It did.
- [179:48]
Pat McAfee
It read really clear.
- [179:49]
Darius Butler
Love, Jordo, man.
- [179:51]
Pat McAfee
We do. And I do like spotlighting a positive, you know, SC and Jackson Dark come to sport the teammates. That is good. Yeah. We can't be acting like that's just a heroic thing to do. Like that is just like a part of the thing. Like you're a part of the team. You're a quarterback of the. You're also rookies.
- [180:08]
Ty Schmidt
Kind of a requirement.
- [180:09]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, but I need backup quarterbacks getting equal reps going forward.
- [180:15]
Darius Butler
Put in the cba. Yeah.
- [180:17]
Pat McAfee
Well, cba. We'll talk about report cards with the NFL and the NFL. PA with J.J. watt on Wednesday. He is very excited for that discussion.
- [180:27]
Darius Butler
Can't wait.
- [180:28]
Pat McAfee
He is. We could talk about it now. We could have talked about it on Friday. We could talk about it tomorrow. But it would all be a wasted conversation. Conversation until JJ Walk gets on here. So this is a teaser on Wednesday. J.J. watt has a lot to say about the NFL and the NFL PA's report card gimmick that's currently out there right now where the NFL has said to the nflpa, yeah, we're not doing it. We're following grievance. You're not allowed to do these report cards anymore. JJ has some thoughts and we'll talk to him about that on Wednesday. I think he's going to be on the. On the play side.
- [181:01]
Darius Butler
Sure. I can't wait. It's a good team.
- [181:04]
Connor Campbell
He is an owner.
- [181:05]
Pat McAfee
You never know.
- [181:06]
Connor Campbell
You might see the other side of the coin now.
- [181:09]
Pat McAfee
Wow.
- [181:10]
AJ Hawk
Do they do them over there?
- [181:12]
Connor Campbell
No, they just kind of ship them.
- [181:14]
Pat McAfee
Out what do you mean the players?
- [181:16]
AJ Hawk
I mean his soccer teams. Do his soccer teams get report cards done on them?
- [181:19]
Pat McAfee
I wonder if Espanol is doing that. And maybe, maybe they just. Maybe they do just ship them out of town. If they vote bad, maybe it's set up. Hey, what do you think of our building? Guy gives an F. Sweet. Get him out.
- [181:32]
Connor Campbell
We're selling you for €250 a week.
- [181:37]
Pat McAfee
Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? We do not know if there's report cards. Let's go to Jared at Jared's53. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Eagles can't run the ball. The Eagles can't throw the ball. The Eagles can't control A.J. brown. You know what else the Eagles can't do? Loose. Keep counting them out. All you dumb asses will learn when they repeat. Hashtag, fly, Eagles, fly. Go Birds. Coop looks super cool up there in the owner's suite. Love that he rides or dies with this Philadelphia Eagle side. And I love the fact that they think that they can't do anything. And I love that there's so much drama, so much controversy, so much shit being talked in and or around the Philadelphia Eagles at all. And now we got people saying that that's Jared Goof and that's how good the Philadelphia Eagles play all the time. This team somehow performs at its highest whenever it's its loudest, when normally that is not the case at all. Tone.
- [182:32]
Tone Diggs
Yeah, it's. It's kind of like they're the new Chiefs. Like the numbers are not good. Like throwing the ball, running the ball. They are, they are not correct. But the defense over the last few weeks has. Has come alive since the additions that they have made. And they're. All they do is win games like. And they've earned the credit to where we cannot question them anymore because all they do, they do it every single year. And then they get to the super bowl and they win that game too. So it doesn't even matter how they look right now.
- [182:57]
Pat McAfee
You know who helps out a lot whenever you get to trade for Jalen Phillips? You know, you trade for Jaylen Phillips and then Hembo sends us a stat. And Jalen Phillips only been on team for a couple weeks, but whenever he's on the field, the other team's quarterback, 16.7 QBR. Whenever he's not on the field with this defense, 55.9. Okay, so this guy has certainly been a part of some destruction of game plans on the other Side of the ball and shout out to the Dolphins, still winning after moving on. But it feels like this Philadelphia Eagles team just reloaded, restocked, and even though there's so much drama, they don't care. AJ they just win games.
- [183:32]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, they just win. I believe I saw a stat where they've won, what, 24 the last 27 games. Is that true? Because that's. These guys know how to win. Like, they absolutely know how to win. Yeah, it doesn't look great. And you're going to say, hey, this is going to come back and bite him in the playoffs when it matters. This defense, though, they are absolutely rolling at all three levels and they're fun to watch. And that's like we say, if you have a defense that can dominate a game, I think you always have a chance to win it all.
- [183:54]
Darius Butler
And you talk about teams that win or are in contention year in and year out. We always say it starts from the top down. And Howie, whenever there's an opportunity to make this team better, he goes out and put. And put it out there and go. Go and get a Phillips, go and draft Campbell. Even though you have Dean, who's banged up. Nicobe Dean being back, he's been great. Zach Bond, they went and found him, paid him like this defense, Jordan Davis, draft him. He's playing great. Like it starts up front, but on the back end. Cooper, the safeties, Quinya Mitchell, I mean, he is unbelievable. Probably the best press corner down in, down out in the NFL right now. So they have all the pieces offensively. They definitely got to figure it out and score more points. But you talk about winning ball games, like if you look at Sirianni and where, where he ranks amongst coaches and wins in their first however many games he's up there with probably, I would assume surrounded by all hall of Famers. So they find a way to win games regardless of where they are in the season. So I mean, fuck. And anytime you see him on the headliners, what's wrong with the Eagles, A.J. brown? Can they do this? Can they do that? And we'll look and be a week 18 and they'll be fucking 15 to 2.
- [185:00]
Pat McAfee
That's Eagles football. That's Syriani football. Always noise, always winning. And they have to circle or cycle coordinators as well. It's a beautiful thing. Let's go to the next overreaction is from Aaron Clinton at hi, my name is Ninja. What's up Ninja? Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but Chiefs are dead o line worse than Last year. Nagy hates winning again. Defense look lost all game. What are we doing? Trade Rice X and Brown to Chicago, bring Joe back here and run the fucking ball on under center. Hashtag, same old chefs. Wow. Geez. A lot of Chiefs fans bummed out, Ty.
- [185:36]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, a lot of Chief Sands bummed out. And I don't know why, but, you know, people just don't like Matt Nagy. He's taking a lot of strays. I was like, how much is this guy actually doing? But Chiefs fans, they think he's the one calling the plays, calling the defensive plays, making the special teams decisions. People hate Matt Nagy.
- [185:55]
Pat McAfee
Not everybody.
- [185:56]
Ty Schmidt
Not everybody, but a lot of people. A lot of of people.
- [186:00]
Pat McAfee
That's life in. In football, especially when you were a head coach and it didn't go well. And whenever you're known by everybody and when you go to a dynasty and obviously have immediate success, but then it unravels, you're going to be the one that's. Was it Andy Reid? No. Is it Patrick Mahomes?
- [186:16]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [186:16]
Pat McAfee
No. So who's. It's got to be this other guy.
- [186:20]
Ty Schmidt
It's not Steve Spagnola?
- [186:21]
Pat McAfee
No. And it's not Tobe special teams guy?
- [186:24]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [186:24]
Pat McAfee
Why is this other guy around?
- [186:25]
Ty Schmidt
Not any of the players?
- [186:27]
Pat McAfee
No. We seen them. They're all hall of Famers. They've won before. Why is this guy.
- [186:31]
Ty Schmidt
This guy drafted Mitch Trabisky? Get him out. Get him the out of town.
- [186:39]
Pat McAfee
Good luck out there, Nagy. And to the Chiefs. We don't know if you're dead, but I don't like even talking about it. Let's go to the next ever reaction, shall we? This one's from Siran. Hashtag.
- [186:49]
Ty Schmidt
Is that something that I couldn't tell. And his. His profile picture was just kind of like a black blob, so I wasn't sure.
- [186:56]
Pat McAfee
Is that from a movie? That's not a video game.
- [186:58]
Ty Schmidt
It might be some, like, anime that I don't know about, but I'm not sure.
- [187:02]
Pat McAfee
Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but I hate Todd Bowles as a coach with all my heart and being. Can't believe I got duped into thinking he's a decent coach for 10 seconds. Bucks D got ran over faster than Mufasa getting crushed by the Stampede. How sad that was.
- [187:18]
AJ Hawk
Was very sad.
- [187:18]
Pat McAfee
And fast. Let the Bulls era end. Hashtag, fire Todd Bowl. Is that how Tampa's feeling after what happened against the Beals?
- [187:26]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, this was basically every Tampa Bay overreaction was like Todd Bowl Sucks. It's time for this to end.
- [187:31]
Pat McAfee
He's the head coach, obviously, defensive coach as well. He's going to be the one that's going to feel the heat if a quarterback does something historic against you on a Sunday in the NFL season. I think this team has been good, though. And on defense, defensive side, it feels like they unload the clip early and maybe get everybody confused. And then if you can figure it out, you're in a good spot. If you can't, you're going to be underwater for its entirety. I don't know if you can win a lot of, like, playoff games against a lot of great players like that. AJ what are your thoughts on the Bucks defense? Because I think we're just singing their praises a couple weeks ago.
- [188:01]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, obviously with Vita Ve, it starts up top, like, that guy is unbelievable. But, yeah, I don't know. I. I would chalk this one up to, hey, we ran into an absolute juggernaut. Josh Allen's awesome.
- [188:10]
Pat McAfee
He.
- [188:11]
AJ Hawk
He's a stud. We were playing at their place. Yeah, they did turn him over early. They turned him over twice and got two picks on him. Credit to Josh Allen for coming back from that, but I don't know. I can't count the Bucks out, but, yeah, this was concerning, but I would say, hey, we ran into a guy who was playing lights out. He scored six touchdowns on us. Let's move on to next week.
- [188:27]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, let's move on as fast as possible. And it sounds like they're trying to do that from coach Todd Bowles. He'll stay isolated from it, though. He won't hear the noise. They'll keep going. They got a lot on the line still, that Buccaneers team. Let's go to the next overreaction. This one's from AJ Swings at Dog Axe Fish. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but the Rams are frauds. In a game where we got vintage Sammy Ghost Darnold throwing four picks, the Rams only squeaked out a two point win on a missed field goal attempt. Hawks still run the West. AJ Swing says that's one game for Sam. That's not the rest of the season. We played our worst ball and they only won by two. Sounds fake to me. How do you feel? How do you feel about that take from Dog Axe Fish?
- [189:06]
Darius Butler
That's exactly how a Seahawks fan, which I assume that guy is, is supposed to feel after that game. You throw the ball away four times and, yeah, you only come up short by two points. I feel him. I don't think that's overreaction. I think he. They still. You heard Puka talk about him. They still got a bunch of dogs barking over there. And I love the fact that the Seahawks, they clearly still have Sam Darnold's back. You heard some of his teammates speak after the game about him. So I think Sam. Correct. Bounce back from this one.
- [189:30]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Actually said, hey, you got something to say? You. I love everything about that. Who was the.
- [189:35]
Connor Campbell
Ernest Jones. The fourth, who was also kind of in the rumor mill during the trade deadline. So for him to say that, that's pretty awesome.
- [189:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I love the way he sticks up for his team. I think it's an incredible culture. And also, Jason Myers hits all the field goals for the team all game. He's been a, like a steady, steady, steady person for that Seattle Seahawks fan team throughout all the years. Years. Him missing that 61 yarder is a heartbreaker. He had a hell of a game. Had a hell of a game and then has a 61 yarder to win this thing. And that thing just drifts to his right on a slice. If he hits that a little cleaner, I think it goes through, obviously, but Jason Myers does big. Has a huge game for the Rams. Can't. Or for the Seahawks. Can't take it home. I guess you should be a little worried if you're the Rams, huh?
- [190:18]
AJ Hawk
No, no.
- [190:19]
Connor Campbell
Absolutely no.
- [190:20]
Pat McAfee
It's just a good ball.
- [190:20]
Darius Butler
Big win for first. First place.
- [190:23]
Connor Campbell
Mike McDonald's 11 and one on the road. I mean, I guess 11 and two now.
- [190:28]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. What a monster. Matthew Stafford, the year he's having. And that defense, Outrageous. They're young and they're hungry. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from Bill's Mafia. 1018 at Colby, 2281 at Pat McAfee Show. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but the Buffalo Bills are all the way back. Josh Allen's big country ass, he's rumbling and stumbling for six tuds. Joe Brady is a fucking sicko. Cole Bishop is a junkyard dog. The Colts and Pats have been put on notice. No one, and we mean no one, circles the wagons like the Buffalo Beals. Cheers. Is your defense good enough to win? That's the only question we have. To Colby and to the Buffalo Bills. Question, what do you think?
- [191:11]
AJ Hawk
They hope so. They hope so. I mean, I don't know right now. We definitely don't know their offense is good enough to win it over all. But is your defense. Can your defense hold up when it truly matters? I don't know. We'll see. They can prove to us that they.
- [191:21]
Pat McAfee
Are Josh Allen in a shootout. I think we all like. I think we certainly like. But if the defense is able to get a stop on Josh Allen a couple of times, will you be able to answer that on the other side? Whenever push comes to shove? That's the only question.
- [191:32]
Ty Schmidt
Well, and the best, you know, defense for Josh Allen's keep him off the field. And if you can't stop the run or team's just going to, you know, run it 15 times every possession and you know, then, then it's like, hey, guess what? You have to score a touchdown on every single possession.
- [191:45]
Pat McAfee
If you as a team in the AFC who is on a historically great running season, I am very pumped that the Buffalo Bills seemingly weakness at this point is their rush defense. As a Colts fan now it's all matchups. Obviously whenever you get to the playoffs, which we all assume we all are going to be there. So if you happen to run into a team that can just take the air out of the game completely and Josh Allen touches it three times a half, four times a half, like what? What do you do? How do. And let alone if your defense gets a stop on Josh Allen one or two times, like, how does it go? I guess that's the question mark. They still got a lot of time to figure it out. They still got a lot of time to figure it out. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is I miss Brad Lambert at Will be Hardigan. Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but Bryce Young just solidified himself as a franchise quarterback. Franchise record 448 on one of the top past defenses in the league. Five Falcons need to extend Rahm Morris. Four out of 12 of Bryce's wins are against the Dirty Birds. Move over, Arthur Blank. Bryce owns you. Shout out to the Carolina Panthers seemingly getting a team. And shout out to Bryce Young. Obviously got benched last year and then comes back in, they found something special. David Canales down in Tampa Bay with Baker Mayfield was sweet. Now they're trying to do the same thing in Carolina. And for the Atlanta Falcons, it's just another situation where we have no idea who they are, what they are. Tet McMillan obviously a stud for the Carolina Panthers. Rico Dowdell, special. Bryce Young's finding his groove. Are the Carolina Panthers building for tomorrow or today?
- [193:14]
Darius Butler
They're a good ball club. You know, a winning team right now and to be down like this on the road against a Divisional opponent in the fight Back, Xavier Lee get making another play. He's had kind of an up and down season. And then you mentioned that tmac out there being special. He's a, he's a weapon. You know, Atlanta obviously has Drake London and the Panthers went out and got T. Mac in the top of the draft this year and he's been special. But Bryce Young put on an absolute show this Bryce Young yesterday and obviously is, you know, throwing from 450 yards. You're not going to do that week in and week out. But this is why he was drafted number one overall. He's obviously a small guy, so it was going to be an outlier to be successful in the National Football League with that frame. But he was compared to Steph Curry. He was like the Steph Curry coming into the draft and watching him play yesterday, it gave you Steph Curry vibes. He was, he was on fire. I love where the Panthers are at right now in their kind of. I wouldn't call it a full rebuild because you have your quarterback, you have your gm, you have your head coach, but I think they're heading in the right direction.
- [194:06]
Pat McAfee
Congratulations to the Carolina Panthers and Steph Curry moving on from Under Armour.
- [194:11]
Connor Campbell
Yeah, Teach. Yeah.
- [194:13]
AJ Hawk
Wearing Nike shoes, right.
- [194:14]
Pat McAfee
First game, back obese immediately, and then they win. He goes crazy. You know, that's certainly a sign maybe from the basketball guts. That felt like a big, big deal though because I took a trip down memory lane with Steph Curry and under. I remember the nurse curries and then the grass cutter ones and then now where they ended up at, I mean, that was a special development, a special growth that was big for sports. I think.
- [194:32]
AJ Hawk
AJ he started like his whole, the whole golf line, I feel like with Under Armour as well. Like he's so in, so deep with them. Like what happened? Did his contract just run up and they didn't renew it? He didn't want to go. Like, I don't understand.
- [194:43]
Pat McAfee
Fell apart.
- [194:44]
Darius Butler
Yeah, they re. He had a pretty large contract. I don't remember all the details a couple years ago. I feel like he's still, he's still over owns the Curry brand now. It will be separate from ua. So wherever he goes, whether it's Nike or Reebok, wherever he goes, he'll still have that Curry brand, I'm sure all the initiatives and the golf stuff. And he's been sponsoring like golf teams and all type of shit, so I'm sure it'll still go. But this is obviously huge in the sneaker landscape. But I think it was just a differing of routes for Under Armour and where Steph Curry wanted to go. I mean, shit, he's their most definitely. Yeah, he's their biggest. I know Justin Jefferson is their biggest player, probably football player, but as far as basketball player, global superstar like Steph Curry is that.
- [195:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Click, clack. And so now, I mean, they. AJ had to go through it with Under Armour where they were trying to figure out how to make cleats. Just like Jordan in the documentary talked about how they had to figure out how to make basketball shoes. His feet were bleeding at the end of games because of how the technology was then happens with shoes as well. That's why, like, normally the first round of shoes for any company is ass. Because they're trying to find it and figure it out. It out. And those Curry ones we supported because we like the way Steph Curry played those first couple pairs of shoes. The shittiest on the market. I mean, the shittiest on the market, the way they felt and looked were just ass. And then like, they. They continued to evolve and I think they got like, good. And it was like, I thought they were going to continue to go. So whenever I saw it, I'm like, man, you guys went through a lot of hard times together.
- [196:06]
Darius Butler
You guys.
- [196:06]
Pat McAfee
You guys got cooked together pretty good there for a while.
- [196:09]
Darius Butler
Yeah, he was having. Having bad ankle issues where people thought like, oh, this he's not gonna be able to play for, you know, six, eight, 10 years in the league. And now for him being what year? 16 or 17. And, you know, he's been relatively healthy for the most part of that. So that was. That was huge. So it's a huge move for him to go to a different, completely different shoe brand now at this stage of his career.
- [196:29]
Ty Schmidt
Well, and like you mentioned it as like a joke, but, like, that's. Those first pair, like, that's all they were good for, was like mowing your grass in like you. You didn't do. You couldn't do anything else with those. And. And even if you did that, you're cutting the lawn and then you're done. You're like, jesus Christ, I got blisters all over my feet. Like, that was a.
- [196:46]
Pat McAfee
But Steph was somehow going out there.
- [196:48]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [196:48]
Pat McAfee
Filling the but he was like, I thought they had a great, maybe forever thing. Obviously, great work by you two. And what you built. It was still a special relationship. Last overreaction here from Chris Nichols. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Jacksonville Jaguars continue To make zero sense. If you're playing your franchise qb, we might whoop that ass, put a backup in and we can't do nothing. Right. I don't know if the DU Jags are a playoff team or not yet. Says Chris Nichols. Huge win. I think you should just celebrate that.
- [197:19]
Connor Campbell
Yeah. Yeah.
- [197:20]
Pat McAfee
And that's the overreactions. Let's make our picks for tonight. Dallas Cowboys take on the Las Vegas Raiders. Are the Cowboys still favored by three and a half? Half tone. Dig.
- [197:28]
Tone Diggs
Yes.
- [197:28]
Connor Campbell
I just checked.
- [197:29]
Tone Diggs
It's three and a half across the board.
- [197:30]
Pat McAfee
Third, 68% of the public bets were on Dallas before the show started. Has that number moved?
- [197:35]
Tone Diggs
71 on the Cowboys.
- [197:36]
Pat McAfee
Wow. Over 70% now. Can you tell me how that's doing as opposed to maybe earlier in the season?
- [197:42]
Tone Diggs
So this weekend, any bet, any teams getting over 60% of the bets were 4, 6 and 1.
- [197:49]
Pat McAfee
That's.
- [197:49]
Tone Diggs
It's been around 500. But on the losing side for the last few weeks. Earlier in the season, season people were just getting destroyed like 1 and 4, 0 and 5, stuff like that. So it's been getting better, but still haven't had a winning week yet.
- [198:03]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so, A.J. let's check out where you and I stand. Oh, wow. Wow. I'm starting to really make a run back into this thing. I was down early. All my juice was over. On college football, the NFL picks were not fantastic. Now seems like I'm maybe making a push to make this thing. Now we're five, five and one as a whole, you and me, after tonight. And obviously it feels as if any game can go anyway. That's why picking against the spread is insane. And that's why sportsbooks are continuing to evolve. And every sportsbook is able to make money nowadays. Except for one, somehow.
- [198:39]
Connor Campbell
Yep.
- [198:40]
Pat McAfee
Still don't know how that worked.
- [198:42]
Connor Campbell
I think.
- [198:42]
AJ Hawk
Why did you say I lost the Jacksonville game? Jacksonville was plus three on that last grand traffic.
- [198:46]
Pat McAfee
You're saying he got bamboozled here a.
- [198:48]
AJ Hawk
Little bit and I picked Jacksonville and they blew him out.
- [198:52]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah, you are. You should be tied maybe.
- [198:55]
Connor Campbell
Oh, yes.
- [198:56]
Ty Schmidt
Going for a tie tonight.
- [198:59]
Connor Campbell
Six, seven and one.
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Pat McAfee
Six, seven, one. Yeah. Okay. So, hey, a lot on the line here tonight, D. Bu your thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys, favored by three and a half, getting 71 of the money into Las Vegas.
- [199:12]
Darius Butler
At first glance, this looks like an absolute stinker. But we got two quarterbacks who at any given time can put up a ton of yards and score a ton of points. I am excited to see Quinn and Williams debut and also over shown coming back for this Dallas Cowboys defense. So give me the Cowboys on the road to win and to cover the three and a half.
- [199:33]
Tone Diggs
He was talking about both quarterbacks. I've just been seeing a lot of stuff and this is not made up. A lot of Raiders fans are interested to see if Kenny Pickett makes a appearance tonight.
- [199:41]
Pat McAfee
Okay, maybe a snap of for Kenny Picket. That'll be two gloves. Two different days. Jared Goff and Kenny Pickett. We shall see. Darius Butler likes the 71% of the people that are on Dallas -3 and a half. AJ who do you like?
- [199:54]
AJ Hawk
I like Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys as well.
- [199:56]
Pat McAfee
All right, me too. All right, final picks. Let's get out of here. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. You are greatest the people on earth. Great work today, boys. I appreciate you. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three.
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Connor Campbell
Team.
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