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PMS 2.0 1454 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Recap, Ole Miss Head Coach Lane Kiffin, 4 Star OL Kevin Brown Makes His College Commitment, WVU Head Coach Rich Rodriguez, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Pat McAfee
Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this BA Day, November 18, 2025. This program begins right now.
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Ty Schmidt
Football.
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Pat McAfee
That's right, that's 47 year football coach Bruce Arians joining us today live. Coach, he looks so cool. I like the heart, okay. We got cadences, we got hand signals, okay. I like what we're doing. We got our wives phone. That's why instead of our phone. Because somehow we're at the stage of life able to leave our house with somebody else's phone and not even know it till we're already on an airplane to a different city. So now everybody has to communicate through your wife's phone to you and through your phone to her. Ladies and gentlemen, that's football nowhere. Football lover coach BA Football.
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Bruce Arians
I only got a half ass left.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, I can imagine. It's been pretty loud. It's been a fantastic thing. Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. Good to see talks to tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmid. And live from Hammer is AP Tone, who will certainly join here in a matter of moments because college football is about to have another huge evening tonight as another CFP ranking will be given out with a brand new chair of the CFP committee and a new member back into the cfp. So you're talking about a big day for college football. We'll chat with Tone about that and other things. And also week 11 of the NFL season has wrapped up already.
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Connor
Man.
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Pat McAfee
Hey, right now look around. Feel it. Okay. Sense it. Weather's kind of ass here in Indianapolis is a little bit too cold, but it's not hot enough. It's kind of making your heater and air conditioner set on auto. Really not know what to do.
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Connor
Messed up.
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Pat McAfee
And if the sun accidentally comes out and it's going to get through your windows, it's going to cook. Your house and then your heater is going to be on because outside is cold. And then your house potentially going to be 78, 79 degrees. So all of a sudden it's cold as hell. Outside right now freezing, but inside too hot.
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Bruce Arians
You see?
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Pat McAfee
So then what do you got to do? Well, you got to turn on your cool now. Okay, so now it's 78, 76, 70. I got to turn on the cool because I can't do this. I can't fall asleep. What is going on here? Then all of a sudden you wake up. Guess what? 61 degrees. Yeah, because outside right now it's 15 degrees. So you get cooked through the sun through the window, you see? And then the actual coldness of outside cooks you. So you wake up in the freezing, and then at some point, it's way too hot. It's football season, baby. That's right. Okay. We are in the middle of it. We are in the prime time of everything that football fans look forward to during the off season. Whenever we're watching basketball, shout out to the NBA. When we're watching baseball, shout out mob. When we're watching hockey, shout out the NHL. And when there isn't F1.
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Darius J. Butler
F1. Watching F1.
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Pat McAfee
You watch that. We don't. I'm trying to do a thing for we here. Yeah, but that would include me saying that I don't watch AG1.
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Connor
That's not an us thing.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. I would be like, okay, so when we're watching hockey, the frozen four. When you're watching F1. Okay.
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Ty Schmidt
There you go.
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Pat McAfee
See that? That's how that would go.
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Darius J. Butler
Okay. I like that.
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Pat McAfee
So I apologize for not acknowledging that. I should acknowledge that a little bit more. Coach Ba when you're watching the Senior PGA Tour. Okay. We're all yearning for football to be happening.
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Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
We're all yearning for meaningful football to happen. And, ladies and gentlemen, week 11 of the NFL season has finished. That means all eyes are on the postseason. That means all eyes are on who's really in this thing, in whose season is now just going to become a season that's set up for hopefully next season. Ladies and gentlemen, last night was an emotional win for the Dallas Cowboys. We appreciate the hell out of that particular Monday Night Football game, especially with how special it all was, as everybody was kind of paying their tributes to Marshawn Nealon, the Dallas Cowboys player who took his own life, I believe, is what is being reported last week after having one of the greatest moments he could have accomplished in football with a touchdown on Monday Night Football, and then just days later, ends up taking his own life. So now there's tributes kind of reigning in all over the place, as their show should be. Not only about Marshawn Nealon, but the entire conversation as a whole about checking in on your friends, checking in on your people. And his people, by the way, were the Dallas Cowboys. And they had an emotional spirit about them last night that was pretty dominating of the Las Vegas Raiders all night. D. But what happened in that game last night, for those of us that maybe missed it because John Cena was maybe.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Last time, Mash Square Gordon. Or maybe the game got so out of hand, they didn't finish the entirety. What happened last night in Monday Night Football through your eyes.
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Darius J. Butler
Yeah. As we know, Monday Night Football in Vegas, Cowboys were favored by three and a half points. And the game kind of started off like it might be a KG affair. You have Max Crosby, the candle coming off the edge, getting a strip sack. And the Raiders, they were fighting, they were battling at home, ending the first quarter, leading actually the Dallas Cowboys 6 to 3. But then Dak and the Cowboys got rolling, started finding his guy, C.D. lamb, who was missing for the first drive. Maybe got caught that Vegas flu. Maybe.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. What happened? Him and George Pickens.
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Connor
Yeah.
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Darius J. Butler
But you know what they got going. So when they did get the lineup, Dak started to find him early and often. 88 got going. Jake Ferguson, he got going. He got in the end zone as well. And then George Pickens, they traded for George Pickens and he's been an absolute stud, making big plays all up and down the field. He was a mismatch all night long. He had a big night all night. And then Javante Williams, he had his Cowboys season high, career high with this team with the carries and he dominated the game on the ground as well. And then that defense, we saw Jerry in his box grinning like the butcher's dog after Quinn and Williams made a big time sack. He had one and a half sack already trumped what he had in the as his jets, as the jets player this season, he was big time on the front end and then on the back end had a interception as well.
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Pat McAfee
Boom.
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Darius J. Butler
Geno, he's been kind of. He's been unlucky. He's.
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Pat McAfee
There's a lot of unlucky Geno Springs, he's been unlucky.
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Darius J. Butler
We talk about turnovers, we talk about tips and overthrows. Sometimes it's off defenders, sometimes it's off his own guy. Brock, Brock Myers is kind of that only bright spot for that offense. But Geno, I mean behind that offensive line, I know he catching a lot of heat. He can't throw the ball. Genty, he barely got any runs. You see him, boom. Got stuff for his safety here. And this game just got out of hand. Became an absolute blowout. It was too late to switch over to Monday night Raw. This one got ugly. Started out like it was going to be good, but it ended up being a blowout.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, but at the end, did you see what.
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Darius J. Butler
At the end of this game, was.
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Pat McAfee
There an on site punt?
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Connor
Is there after that safety?
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Pat McAfee
Yeah, there's an on site punt. So after the safety, this was okay. Now I was not Awake at this stage of the game. And I do apologize. I. I'm an old person. I caught up. I see this attempted. I love everything we're doing here. I love everything we're doing. Okay, so listen, you can't kick a kickoff after a safety ball can't be grounded or whatever. Used to be the rules. I don't know what they are now with the new kickoff and everything like that. I think I saw people kicking off every once in a while. Normally, the punter would be the one that would actually go out after a safety and kind of launch it, and then you would have the kickoff coverage for the entirety. You'd be happening from the 20. There was always a conversation about having to have an onside punt just in case this situation was to take place. And it's not a bad idea. And they actually got the outcome they were looking for with the ball hitting the ground. Now, Dallas Cowboys wave for a fair catch, which is the right answer. And if one person waves for a fair catch, they all wave for a fair catch. So one person on the receiving team wave for a fair catch, which is actually a smart move. They let it hit the ground, though. As soon as that thing hits the ground, fair catch is off.
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Darius J. Butler
Right.
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Pat McAfee
Hey, we're live ball right there. So it almost works out to like what you're actually looking to do. For me, it was always going to be knuckler. I was going to try to hit a knuckler because you don't have 11 guys on the field that are used to catching punts. So you get a couple people that are out there that are comfortable catching punts. So what you're trying to do is hit one that's tough to catch. He had a banana ball, which would come down sideways on this thing. So right decision by the Cowboys returner to wait for a fair catch.
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Bruce Arians
Smart.
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Pat McAfee
Them letting it hit the ground, not smart. And then them ending up picking up George Pickens, getting it, and then ending the game. Good finish.
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Darius J. Butler
And you never had an opportunity to actually do this in the game.
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Pat McAfee
No. You very rarely get the opportunity after safety to hit one. But, yeah, it is something that I've seen before in the past, and that was the Raiders. I know the coach that used to be there. I think he probably had that thing worked on a little bit, if I had a guess. Tom McMahon. Hey, he's the best coach I ever had for the job that I did. He made me much better at my job. I think Vinnie would say the same thing. I think our boys would say the Same thing. We created something called Fourth down army with our crew. It was full buy. We were trying to really change games. And Tom McMahon, this little ass dude from Montana with a steel plate in his head because he fell off a horse as a child, fell off a horse as a child because he used to lead horse hunting, I believe, through the trails of Montana. He grew up on a horse farm. And actually as a child, as he was coming back, he fell off, hit his head off a creek, I guess, had to get a surgery. Has a steel plate on his head. So if you're around any service, his ass is going to affect, you know. But he is just an absolute dog of a coach who has been a football guy through and through and will be forever. He was our special teams coordinator. He got fired. Now their special teams have not been performed well and that that is a part of the job. I think he probably saw that one coming as well with how it all goes, but he definitely had that in there to work it. So I saw that happen last night, late last night. When I woke up this morning, I was like, was this when Tom is here? Is this last night? I'm like. I'm like, good for Tom, because that is certainly something you work on but never really get the opportunity for it to actually pay off. Now, on that note, let's talk about the actual game. Coach Ba, 47 years, known as Quarterback Whisper. You've been around every quarterback out there. It's ever been good at the game, basically. You know, that also says you're old as shit, but also still killing it. Look at the fit right now. Let's talk about Dak Prescott in this offense. It feels like we expect Dak in this offense to be great, but we never expect the Dallas Cowboys to be great. Why is that and what do you think the conversation is about? Dak Prescott as quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, it had to be inconsistency with the group, you know, the offensive line, because Dak can light it up and he's one of the best leaders there is, but he can still spin it. And with Pickens and CD and Williams, they got weapons. Ferguson, it's got to be up front. You know, there's games where they can't protect him. And the defense is getting better. They haven't been able to hold on to any leads either.
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Pat McAfee
4, 5 and 1. Now are the Dallas Cowboys. And obviously we'll have something later. Chit chatting about all the NFCs. The NFC east, obviously with the Philadelphia Eagles is going to be tough, but the Entire NFC as a whole. Who knows what the future holds for all teams who have to play against a lot of good teams. So there's going to be a lot of Ls stacked by teams that are good right now. Or the Dallas Cowboys, they got a.
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Darius J. Butler
Lot of people, but yeah, they got.
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Pat McAfee
There's a chance that they. There's a chance. Dallas Cowboys do this thing and make a run and now will they actually be able to win in the playoffs? Is the massive question. Quinn and Williams not only getting a sack last night and saying hello to the Dallas Cowboys, also fixing his shoe, lost his shoe. Just so calmly puts his foot back into his cleat, gets back up and does his thing. What a perfect fit for the Dallas Cowboys. And you talk about getting a safety. Jerry Jones says now that's getting safeties. You think we're ever doing that before? We're getting safeties on runs because we can stop the damn run. Jerry Jones's entire play whenever he traded away Micah MCU at the time is what he was saying was to stop damn run. Basically that was his entire goal. Everything he talked about, you bring in Quinn in, you get this defensive front maybe playing a little bit better all of a sudden. Are the Dallas Cowboys for real? Do they have the makings of being a team that can make it? They got one of the best kickers ever exist.
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Connor
Yep.
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Pat McAfee
Punter been around long time. Good punter. Returners always going to be good, we think in Dallas because they draft speed, that feels like something that's always going to be good offense. We think Dax should be good against everybody. Don't we all think Shott's a good coach?
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Darius J. Butler
You know, it's his first. First opportunity being so it'll definitely be some learning, but you have the talent. You got a franchise quarterback, highest paid quarterback in the National Football League. Getting cornered like that up front, that's a big deal. Getting over shown back. If he's healthy and he can keep running, doing this stretch, he could be good. Malik Hooker also missed five games. He was back and at some point you expect him to get Tron Diggs back. I think Daron Bland, he had a really good game as well. So if everyone's healthy, they can definitely make a run. We know where the Eagles are in that division, but they can kind of battle for that wild card Eagles at.
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Pat McAfee
Home next for the Dallas Cowboys. So obviously that's a big deal. The Dallas Cowboys are saying we're a different team now than we were back at the beginning. And the Eagles obviously in the Middle of another super bowl push. We think this is a huge one for the Cowboys. We'll learn a lot, I guess. Coming up, Dallas Cowboys hosting the Eagles.
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Connor
Yeah, Logan Wilson also looked great on that defense too. But for Dak in the Cowboys versus the Eagles, I'm pretty sure, and maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but doesn't Dak have, you know, astronomical numbers against the Eagles in comparison to other teams that he's played consistently? Like he usually plays his best ball against Philly, which is a great sign for them at home after, you know, Marshawn Nealon and everything. And after this, like that'll be their first game back at Jerry World. It could be huge.
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Pat McAfee
Gino Smith with the Raiders, we just talked about it. He had a postgame pressure that went like this.
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Darius J. Butler
I keep saying this, man. If something don't look right out there, blame it on me.
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Bruce Arians
Right.
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Darius J. Butler
If it don't look right, blame it on me. That's all you can do. Blame it on me. If your kids mess up at school, blame it on me. Car breakdown, going to work, blame it on me.
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Pat McAfee
Sounds like Geno saying I haven't taken a lot of blame for stuff and that's rightfully so. I am paid to be the quarterback here. What are your thoughts on the Raiders and what are your thoughts on Geno Smith Season has a lot of picks like his sportsbook's bets and odds to throw a pick are like almost becoming just a lock is how sportsbooks view it. But I've watched a lot of them strictly because Geno Smith, West Virginia guy, happy for him with the run that he has had, the way his career, career has ended and I got a chance to see whenever they played against the Colts, it's like people are making plays on Gino that are like highlight real plays against him. A couple of these picks then there's a lot of deflections that are happening and maybe that's on him for the deflections taking place. But also it feels like he is under duress on a very regular basis. What do you kind of view of Geno Smith with the move to the Raiders for him and what do the Raiders need to do, you know, to become a team? Because you know what I would like them to do? Let Max Crosby spread his wings and fly and in the playoffs somewhere.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah, fly away. Exactly.
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Lane Kiffin
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Let, let the condo go and spread those big ass wings and go be on a game that gets 49, 50 million eyeballs on it. Okay. In those playoff games. Yeah. Could you imagine Max Crosby in The Super Bowl. Come on. Imagine somebody never seen. Exactly.
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Darius J. Butler
Sorry, I can't.
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Pat McAfee
But, but just close your eyes. Suspend reality for just a moment. It he gets traded to a good team. Okay. A good team. The Rams. Oh, somebody, anybody that needs them. The Colts, maybe even Patriots.
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Darius J. Butler
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Anybody not to chase, obviously, you know, not to pay. Colts would be cool. Okay. And get to the Super Bowl. Okay. And there's somebody in the world that has never seen ball before. First time they're happening upon their life, just, oh, okay. Super boy. Who knows what country they're in. Okay. They got Starlink, first time having Internet.
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Bruce Arians
Okay.
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Pat McAfee
They're doing this entire thing. What is this? This is a Super Bowl. Holy hell. They have their eyes on football for the first time. Say Lamar Jackson's playing quarterback. Hey, se Lamore. What is that? We watch soccer here. What is going on here? And then on the other side, fully tatted, caucasoid mountain resident, sickest, cleanest cleats on earth all the time. Just nonstop havoc, chaos all over the place every single snap. They're going to fall in love with the sport like that immediately. For the good of ball, we need Max Crosby to be on a team that has a chance to go in. And that's my final kind of PSA to football. We need this guy on a contender. We need this guy on at least a team that has a chance. Now Raiders fans are going to say, Tom Brady's in the building. We're going to flip it around. Pete Carroll's here. We're going to flip it around. Chip Kelly's fresh off the national championship. We're gonna flip it around. I don't know if it's flip around the ball. I just don't know. You know, it might just be a football gods thing. I don't know what it is because all the moves seem to be smart. Every decision seems to be the right decision. Bring in Pete Carroll, known winner. We need somebody that has a little bit of ha, how you doing? Everybody will buy in and believe. Let's do that. Tom Brady, the greatest of all time, is going to be in our building and listen to this. With his other job, he's gonna be able to go into other building. Yeah, actually they're gonna stop him from doing that. He's gonna be able to call around. We're going to get investors that are very high level. We're going to Vegas. Everybody's going to want us to succeed there. We're going to have brand new stadium, nicer stadium, maybe in the league. People will talk about it.
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AJ Hawk
Beautiful.
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Pat McAfee
Everything seems smart whenever you're doing it. And then just for one reason or another every year, it just doesn't really work. And it's like I'm tired of Max Crosby just kind of being held back because him in January, him in February. We just talked about it. Somebody's mind getting blown in some country that's never seen bald before because this human exists just in general. I mean, we need it. Are they fixable? And what do you think about this offense that Chip Kelly's run? A lot of people talking about Genti only getting the ball like seven times or whatever. Like, why are they doing that? What is that decision making process? Is that because they can't run? Like, what are your thoughts on the Raiders?
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, they need a lot of help up front. But for me, when your best three receivers are three tight ends, you're in trouble. You're in trouble.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah.
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Bruce Arians
If you can't run it with three tight ends and you got the best young back in the league, maybe it's got, it's got to be up front. Got to get some, some better get stronger, faster guys up front. And defensively they show at times, they're good at times. And Max is. He's the best as highest motor in the league. But for me, they got to get some top notch wide receivers and that's going to help Geno a ton because he is forcing the ball to guys in tight little windows all the time.
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Connor
Yeah, but I mean top notch wide receivers, like, yeah, those grow on trees. They don't. They need to use what they have. Like no matter what. I get it. You might be down by 30 in the second half and a running back might only have 10 carries. But Jinty had two carries in the first half. You always mention, you know, hey, by November, by Thanksgiving, rookies need to be up to par. They need to be able to play. And Jinty has played a lot of good football. I think I saw a stat yesterday actually that he actually only has one 20 plus yard carry the entire season. He had 25 last year.
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Pat McAfee
Like seems right.
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Connor
Yeah. And that's why I like, it's not Gino's fault. Anybody who just goes on there and says, oh yeah, it's all Geno. Like, what's Gino doing? Gino sucks. Like, okay, that's not what the field is really reflecting. You can look at the box score and say that. Sure. But you're not actually watching the game. And just real quick, I really wish I didn't think of this. Max Crosby Is a Joe Thomas a defense?
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Pat McAfee
No, no, that's what he is.
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Ty Schmidt
That's a good point.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. Miles Garrett also.
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Connor
Oh, yeah, he's just the bronze. Yeah, that's a good point.
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Darius J. Butler
I mean, Max. Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Yeah. I guess you could. This. You could slot. You can have a bucket.
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Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
I guess there can be more than just one. And I assume we can find maybe other Joe Thomases. Joe Thomas is the one who was what, all pro. 16 straight years.
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Connor
Had like 12,000 straight snaps. Like, didn't have a hold or something.
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Pat McAfee
And then he came on the show and said, every year I thought we.
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Ty Schmidt
Were going to win a song.
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Pat McAfee
Every year we thought it didn't even play in the playoff game.
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Bruce Arians
No.
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Pat McAfee
He was so good. Think about the mental toughness on that guy to be the best in the world at something while also not really getting to reap the benefits of it, really. But still. Still just locking in and going, what an animal. Yeah. Max Crosby.
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Connor
Yeah. Also what an animal.
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Pat McAfee
Miles Garrett, absolute stud. Go back to Jason Hansen.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
On the Detroit wanted to go Barry Sanders.
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Darius J. Butler
At least he got to the playoffs.
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Connor
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Calvin. Calvin Johnson, man. Don't do it, Max.
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Ty Schmidt
It's commendable that he wants to stay there, but, I mean, what are we doing? It's. It's time. Okay. Especially when you look at that division like, that's the thing, is they are miles and miles and miles and miles behind the third place. The Chiefs are the third place team in the division right now. Look at the Broncos are doing like are the Chargers all of a sudden. Next year.
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Pat McAfee
Give Tom some time. Okay.
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Ty Schmidt
But. But does that matter?
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Pat McAfee
Maybe he plays. Maybe we. Jackie Moon.
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Ty Schmidt
Exactly.
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Pat McAfee
Maybe that's the only way it gets going. Maybe the other owners of the Raiders need to come together and say, Tom, as an ownership group, we've decided that you need to play quarterback.
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Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
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Pat McAfee
Because did you see him last night?
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Connor
Oh, yeah.
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Pat McAfee
He looks good, dude.
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Ty Schmidt
He does.
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Pat McAfee
He's aging backwards. Benjamin Button, almost. This guy, he's phenome.
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Ty Schmidt
But that is that. Like, I think we all just assume. Well, Brady's a consummate winner. Like, he'll turn that around. And we forgot, like, he's not playing and he can't play every position. Their line sucks.
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Darius J. Butler
Yeah.
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Ty Schmidt
It's awful. And it's been like that for multiple years now. I mean, yeah, he looks sweet. Throw up a picture of Mark Davis real quick because that's also. I love the guy. I do. But it's just. He's not. He's just not a serious guy. He's Just not look what he's wearing. Look what Jerry's wearing. And Jerry is bombastic. He's outlandish. He's crazy. But he's an owner of a full. An NFL team and he knows, Hey, I should. I should maybe just throw a suit on.
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Pat McAfee
What are you talking about? Davis with the jacket.
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Ty Schmidt
I love it. I love it. But are you ever gonna look at that guy and be like, wait, why is this guy who was sitting at the Bellagio sportsbook for the last nine hours, why is he on the, you know, the field at. Oh, wait a minute. That's Mark Davis. He owns the Raiders.
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Pat McAfee
Like it's relatable.
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Ty Schmidt
Very relatable to an eight year old who wants to sit in on the couch at his parents house and play Game Boy and eat chips all day. Like, it just.
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Connor
It's a good life.
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Ty Schmidt
We've been taught. And. And maybe part of this is on us too, because when they hired Pete Carroll was like, don't look now. Brady Carroll, this John Swytek guy who went to college with Brad. The Raiders might win 10 games this year. That was maybe the dumbest thing collectively we've ever thought up.
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Pat McAfee
That was a wee thing.
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Ty Schmidt
It was. It was 82.
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Connor
We were all genti.
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Pat McAfee
We loved it. He was on the show. We love.
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Ty Schmidt
Exactly. Hard not to. But it's just like, you watch them and every week it feels like they are farther and farther away from being a team that is figuring it out.
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Pat McAfee
Hey, they'll figure it out, all right?
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Connor
At some point in time in the future, they will.
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Pat McAfee
And congrats to them for that.
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Ty Schmidt
Hell, yeah.
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Darius J. Butler
They've been there before. They've been in the pinnacle before our time.
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Ty Schmidt
Rich Gannon. Sign Rich Gannon to come in and play quarterback.
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Pat McAfee
I bet you he could still give a good.
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Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah.
- [22:05]
Connor
I might fall off, but yeah, I mean, he's. No pop out pop.
- [22:09]
Pat McAfee
That's exactly. That's his new pump fake is actually dislodging his shoulder.
- [22:14]
Ty Schmidt
Yep.
- [22:14]
Pat McAfee
And then. Bring it out there. He used to skip rocks.
- [22:17]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
- [22:18]
Pat McAfee
I mean, he was ba. Rich.
- [22:19]
Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah.
- [22:20]
Darius J. Butler
So good.
- [22:20]
Pat McAfee
He was a beast. He had arm talent like out of the first.
- [22:23]
Bruce Arians
First kid I ever offered at Temple as the head coach.
- [22:25]
Ty Schmidt
Wow.
- [22:26]
Bruce Arians
And he turned around and beat her ass in Delaware.
- [22:28]
Pat McAfee
He went to Delaware?
- [22:30]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [22:30]
Pat McAfee
Oh, Coach.
- [22:31]
Bruce Arians
He wanted to get out of the city.
- [22:34]
Pat McAfee
Rich can't wanna focus on ball.
- [22:35]
Bruce Arians
Love Richie. Love Rich.
- [22:37]
Darius J. Butler
Billy guy.
- [22:38]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah.
- [22:38]
Bruce Arians
St. Joe Prep.
- [22:39]
Ty Schmidt
Makes sense.
- [22:40]
Pat McAfee
True and true. Speaking of that part of the state, we have Kevin Brown from Harrisburg joining us in the second hour. He's one of the top ranked offensive linemen in the history of ranking things. He's going to be announcing his commitment on our program today. On that note, would love to congratulate Virginia Tech on hiring James Franklin. I know you were a part of the consulting group, the advisor group. That's amazing news. Congratulations to you guys.
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Bruce Arians
Yeah, really, really pumped up. There's great, great years ahead of us at Virginia Tech, I think.
- [23:11]
Pat McAfee
I know you don't want to feel like you're speaking for the group that did the hiring, but you were a part of the group that did the hiring James Franklin, you guys, it felt like there was rumors for a long time, you guys, as soon as you saw he was available or in the market, that is who you wanted, I would assume. James Franklin, very accomplished guy. Perfect for Virginia Tech right now.
- [23:28]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, he was a number one pick all the way. You know, his record speak for its been in the Mid Atlantic for a long time in his career. Great recruiter, especially in Virginia. And yeah, hopefully bright, bright things are on the future for us.
- [23:40]
Pat McAfee
Congratulations to you guys. That's a big deal.
- [23:42]
Bruce Arians
Huge.
- [23:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, James Franklin. I think everybody, you know, Penn State people right now are like a lot of pity parties for James Franklin happening on TV right now. Okay. You know, whenever he came on college game day, just a few days after he was fired from Penn State, boy, Penn State alum were not happy about that. Oh, okay. Yeah, this guy just lost the game, Northwestern at home. And you guys are going to have him on here and make us feel bad for doing what we had to do, basically is what Penn State people are saying. But on that note, Penn State people, as they get further and further away from the situation, just like I kind of said to Coach Franklin on the set 10 years from now, 15 years from now, 20 years from now, the way they'll look back on the James Franklin era is a guy that I think stood in the fire with the them for them and kind of flip them into what they are now. Now they will say that James Franklin wasn't able to get them over whatever hump that he was able to get them to this particular altitude. He is saying, I want to pick up and just take the national championship to our next place. From everything that I've learned somewhere else, he seems hungry and very eager to get back to coaching. And I think you guys got a great one. I, I'm a big fan of his. After meeting him multiple times and getting.
- [24:47]
Connor
It done now, like there's already kids that were Committed to Penn State, and of course, some of them, you know, were lost. But I've seen multiple tweeting out about how they've received an offer from Virginia Tech. Obviously probably going to follow James Franklin there. Who knows who is at Penn State right now, who's a freshman that might say, like, oh, shit, I can go to the ACC and play for Virginia Tech and, you know, just talk about paths to the College Football playoff, especially with what's, you know, coming out tonight. The ACC is a little different than the Big Ten. They might have a much cleaner path than what they would have had and what they have had at Penn State in the past.
- [25:21]
Pat McAfee
Past. All right, well, before we get to Tones bracket, we got a chance to catch up with a coach whose name is obviously a topic of discussion everywhere down there at Ole Miss. Joining us now, the head coach at Ole Miss, a man who's obviously the topic of discussion in a lot of different cities, and it should be because his team's in the middle of a college football playoff push right now. Ladies and gentlemen, football icon and legend Lane Kiffin. Yeah, Lane, what's going on?
- [25:47]
Bruce Arians
Lane?
- [25:48]
Pat McAfee
Oh.
- [25:50]
Lane Kiffin
Hey, guys. We're just having an awesome day here, man. Starting meetings, get ready for a practice. And now we're on the Pat McAfee Show. How about that?
- [25:59]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, what an honor. And obviously we had been talking to Lane right before. We just introed him, and it's been a spectacular morning down there in Mississippi. We're very thankful for everybody. How was the yoga this morning? I know 6am yoga is non negotiable. How did you start your day? Was it a great start?
- [26:14]
Rich Rodriguez
It was.
- [26:15]
Lane Kiffin
Anne McLean taught a great class. It was extremely hard, man. We had some coaches in there. Keith Carter, AD was in there, and it was a grind this morning.
- [26:23]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so you and the ad obviously doing 6am yoga. We'll certainly dive into that relationship here in a matter of moments. Let's talk about ball, though. Huge win, obviously over Florida right now. We're on our way to another massively successful banger of a season for your Ole Miss Rebels down there. How do you feel at this point? Got a bye week and then you got the egg bowl on the other side, which is obviously massive rivalry in the United States of America, not just in the sec.
- [26:48]
Lane Kiffin
Well, it was great to get that Saturday night win. Our crowd, the fans were electric. The atmosphere was. It was awesome. I don't know if you got to watch any, but it really was cool. And I would think, and I hear a lot, I hear this A lot. There's no team in America that has more fun than Ole Miss and our players and the whole thing in the whole program. So it's just awesome to see. It's awesome to see them have so much fun. The interaction afterwards, they were going in the locker room. I brought them back out so we could go to the student section that was still out there. And Kewan Lacey had to add these big runs, as you see, and he brought the belt out afterwards, and it was awesome.
- [27:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, you got a special thing brewing down there. And I know you and the Ole Miss fans, obviously, over the last six years have developed quite a powerhouse down there. And obviously there's discussions at a lot of different schools. Especially whenever you're winning, fans kind of get bored with it. They maybe leave. It was nice to see your place packed at the end, and I appreciate you bringing your student or your team back out out to say thank you. I also appreciate the fact you're throwing oops to the boys. You talk about having fun. That's a main message that you're sending to the crew. And do you. How important do you think that is to the success of your team as well?
- [27:56]
Lane Kiffin
Well, I've been. I've been fortunate to be part of some really great runs in college football. You know, being at USC with Coach Carroll, and we won 34 straight, and then Coach Saban, our last 26 straight there, I think we won. So. And I remind these guys, as they're in these runs and these great things, and now here, what, three straight, 10 win seasons, enjoy it, have fun. You know, so often everybody's so serious, everybody's in it, and then they get out of it and they're like, man, remember those old days? Remember how great they were? So I remind them, hey, those good old days, you're in them right now. Someday, 10, 20 years from now, you're going to be saying, man, remember that run we had at Ole Miss? And we had that Division 2 quarterback that would make all those plays and. And the running back was leading the country in touchdowns, and there was a dog running around on the field and the players were dunking. I said, you're in the good old days right now, so just have fun. ENJ it. And I think if you watch our team, you see them doing that.
- [28:49]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so let's talk about having fun, enjoying it, staying in the moment. There's a lot of distractions that come with having success. You just talked about the past three years being an absolute juggernaut down there in the SEC for Ole Miss, all the success you've had in the past, your name is a topic of discussion everywhere, seemingly, and will be for the rest of your life. It's a good thing. I don't think it's a bad thing, because it means that you're having success, which is why other people are certainly going to mention your name whenever jobs open up. But there's a rumor now circulating on the Internet, and we appreciate you joining us here to maybe kind of clarify this. Was there, like, an ultimatum given to you in the middle of a season from Ole Miss? It feels like the way I'm reading it on the Internet is that Ole Miss has told you and you were doing yoga, I guess, this morning with the ad. Ole Miss has told you, like, we need an answer. Is that true? And how are you handling it all with the team, with what's currently taking place?
- [29:39]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, that. That's. That's absolutely not true. There's been no ultimatum, anything like that at all. And so I don't know where that came from. Like, a lot of stuff that comes out there. Like I said, man, we're having a blast. I love it here. I mean, our running back sitting right over here. Come on over. And it just couldn't be better. Like I said, you pray for things. Our fans prayed for this type of thing, and now we're in the middle of it. So enjoy it. You're 10 and 1, getting ready. You got a bye week. You get to watch half the country lose, and there's no way we can lose Saturday. And then you the Egg bowl and go dominate that and keep that Egg bowl trophy home where it's been for a long time.
- [30:16]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so K1 Lacy, by the way, 19 touchdowns, 19 to 19 TUDs. Hey, last week, on Tuesday, we had the president on. This week, we got the best running back in the country. Is that smart to say, Lane?
- [30:30]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, we did know that, and that's why we were so excited when this came up and I had to have him here.
- [30:35]
Pat McAfee
Man.
- [30:35]
Lane Kiffin
You had the president of the United States seven days ago today, and now you have the best running back in the country. How about that?
- [30:42]
Pat McAfee
What a moment. Hey, Kiwan, we appreciate you. Keep going, brother. Hey, I'm gonna ask you with him here. Obviously, you guys have kind of. How old are you, Kiwan?
- [30:51]
Darius J. Butler
19.
- [30:52]
Lane Kiffin
19.
- [30:54]
Pat McAfee
It would be so cool to be that athletic at the age of 19 with the world in front of you that it is with current world that's happening. You guys feel like since high school, maybe throughout, even maybe junior high for guys as talented as you, this modern age where you got to deal with a lot of distractions in business and chatter and social media and messaging, how do you kind of stay focused, especially with everything that's going on with your team and what the future could be.
- [31:16]
Darius J. Butler
Really? Just having a mindset of just getting better every day. You know, it's easy, you know, when you have coaches like this, you know, Coach Smith, just to keep you. Keep you in the right direction, you know, and just, you know, staying focused, just, you know, going. Want to know each week, too, have.
- [31:32]
Pat McAfee
You ever returned any kicks in high school?
- [31:35]
Darius J. Butler
I did.
- [31:36]
Pat McAfee
What would you have done? You see me on the other side, buddy, what are you doing?
- [31:40]
Lane Kiffin
He's, like, carrying the ball, like, 33 times. We don't need more like.
- [31:44]
AJ Hawk
All right, we're good, dude.
- [31:46]
Lane Kiffin
Hey, you don't. You're supposed to be helping us right here.
- [31:49]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hey, keep crushing it. Kwan. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. You're the best. Yes, sir. Appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for bringing him on, by the way. That's really cool. I think you're the first person that we talk to that on a very regular basis brings you in players and other people we met. Winnie dad obviously had a chance to tell him, I'm sorry for picking against you. Winnie dad. And then obviously you bring in Lacey, best running back. We appreciate how much you seemingly enjoy the hell out of your players and your players enjoy you. I think I saw you post. You were driving them to a game. Is it like, is this the tightest you've been with a team? Is that an accurate depiction of how you feel with this particular squad, especially with everything going on? Or is this kind of how every Lane Kiffin coach team is?
- [32:29]
Lane Kiffin
I think that's kind of how it is. I mean, we were extremely close with Jackson Dart and all the most draft picks last year in the history of the school left us last year and went on to the NFL. So that's just how we create our culture. And they should be on. They're the ones making the plays, not me. So, you know, all this success, all this credit, all these things, it is because of the players and the assistant coaches putting it all together that allow this to happen.
- [32:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think you got a special team. You're fun to watch. Speaking of that big one next weekend after you watch half the country lose, Coach Ba has a question for you. Lane.
- [33:02]
Bruce Arians
Hey, brother. You know, I've been a part of seven of Those egg bowls, and you're the hottest thing in the country right now. You lose that when they're gonna try to fire your ass. You know that.
- [33:11]
Lane Kiffin
I. I know that. I know that, Coach. I've said, when they're like, hey, all this stuff, and they're like, are you focused on other places? I said, no, I'm focused on winning. Because now, what I've learned in college football, we have our little group, group chat with, like, Sark and Kirby and a couple guys, and we came up with this.
- [33:25]
Pat McAfee
This.
- [33:26]
Lane Kiffin
You lose one, you're out of the top 10. You lose two, you're out of the top 25. You lose three, you get fired. So, you know, we're focused on our job of trying to get to one and O every week, because that's the profession we're in now.
- [33:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, it certainly is. And it sounds like your players understand that more now than maybe ever before. So it's a special thing you got brewing. And you talk about losing one game, you're out of the top 10, two, you're out of rank, three, you're out of a job. It's like Ole Miss seven years ago. I don't know if that was necessarily the expectation. So not that I am the deepest of SEC history guy, but I don't think the expectations come unless you create something special, which you certainly have. And you've lived in that world, I guess, where it's like, hey, we want to be in a college football playoff whenever. You know that that's the expectation every year. What is the mindset for you, like, looking ahead? Are you trying to grow players right now? Are you trying to figure out this particular team future culture? Like, how do you kind of balance it all when that is the expectation at the highest level? That's not the expectation. Every school, you know that. But like, at most schools that you are going to be talked about, that is the expectation. How do you handle that just one day at a time? Standard cliche.
- [34:29]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, I do. I have an extremely high expectation how we should perform as a program. And. And I've had that since we've got here. So my expectation is way up there. So when outside expectations happen, or for instance, now, our fan base that is now getting used to this, you know, can win seasons every year. I'm good with it. I understand they're now coming to the expectation that I've had all along here. So some people will be like, man, they're going to expect you to do this all the time and everything. Great. We're now aligned in our expectations of what we want our program to be. So I love that the fans now have what some people would say is unrealistic expectations for Ole Miss because now they're just matching how I feel.
- [35:10]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I love that. I think you had that at fau, too. I think that's what you're planning on doing down there there on this tour coaching tour around the country that Lane Kiffin is on. Ole Miss has certainly reaped the benefits over the last six years. Talk about offensive explosion and being fun to watch. Go ahead, debut.
- [35:28]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah, coach, you're kind of known from the outside in for your passing game. You're wide open passing game, maybe up tempo, but you're rushing the ball for over 200 yards a game now. So how does that work as far as like, I guess, your scheme and then your personnel using what's best for you week to week to win the ball game?
- [35:44]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, I think that's a misconception. You know, the passing thing as you referred to that. You know, we've just always. I've been this passing coach. We had Devin Singletary at FAU lead the country in touchdowns. Then Quinton Junkins, when he was here, was leading the country in carries, and now Keon Lacy leading the country. So we've been running the ball for a while. Believe in running the ball. Think that that was an issue last year. Why, you know, we didn't end up going into the playoffs and going deep in the playoffs because we didn't have that running game. Had we with the defensive players and Jackson Dart and stuff, I think we would have been there deep into the playoffs. So really glad that we've got that back. We had a one year off of having a great running game and now we're back.
- [36:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. It's fun to watch. And Lacey seems like an absolute dog.
- [36:27]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah.
- [36:27]
Pat McAfee
I mean, immediate salute upon getting on there. I respect that. He's probably.
- [36:32]
Lane Kiffin
What did you say earlier? He's got 19 touchdowns and he's 19 years old. That's crazy.
- [36:38]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he's got a lot of time left to really take over football and only get big better and certainly has already done some incredible stuff. Ty has a question for you.
- [36:47]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, coach. Last year I think a lot of people believed you guys were one of the 12 best teams in the country. And you know, what happened, happened. You got left out and it kind of. It. It is what it is. But I remember you saying like, you know, you were in a position where you kind of had to root for chaos given you know, the situation you were in, maybe being on the bubble last year with this year and there being, you know, potentially eight or nine teams that are still in play to make the College Football Playoff from the sec, is that mantra kind of still the same? Are you still kind of in like, hey, like you mentioned, half the country is going to lose this week and you guys don't play? Or is it different because after the egg bowl the hay is in the barn and what you guys will have needed to do is already done and you know, then you can change your mind or your mindset, I guess, to the playoffs on the horizon.
- [37:35]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, I looked at it going into the Florida game as we have two one game seasons. We had Florida, let's make sure he win that. Then we got a box and then we got a one game egg bowl. Let's make sure we win that and then we've taken care of our business. There's too many variables, you know, because everybody's like, well, you got to get to the top 12 teams. Well, now we're finding out that depending on how other things go, you really got to get to the top 10 teams to make sure you make the playoffs. Because there might be, two of the teams might not even be in the top 12. They could be number 20 and 25 or something with the current flawed system. So like you said, everybody's like, well man, you better be in the top 12. No, you better make sure you're in the top 10. Or you, or you might get left out.
- [38:16]
Pat McAfee
One loss out of the top 10, two losses out of the top 20, three losses out of a job. I love that you guys just kind of understand that now. Yeah, that is life. Such is life you're living. Go ahead.
- [38:30]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, that's, I mean we just, we just saw that with Brian Kelly. That's exactly the scenario that just happened happen. So I didn't worry about other stuff. I worry about making sure we win.
- [38:40]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Because if we win, I still have a job. And now if we win and then.
- [38:45]
Lane Kiffin
And if we win, you'll, you'll have me on. Because we know the story before. How over the years I tried to get on and you didn't let me on toe it till we won enough.
- [38:52]
Pat McAfee
Is your Sid there? Is your Sid there?
- [38:55]
Lane Kiffin
No, he would still be asleep. He would not be here. This is too early for him.
- [38:58]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So let's believe his side of the story. Not ours. Definitely. Connor has a question for you about life these days.
- [39:04]
Lane Kiffin
I actually, I'm joking with you. I really do Believe your side.
- [39:07]
Pat McAfee
No, no, no, no.
- [39:10]
Lane Kiffin
He has told me all along differently, but. But I know now that we've become buddies, I know the truth.
- [39:14]
Pat McAfee
Well, on that note, Sid, I like. He's a little bit of a dog too. And I like that he sleeps in. Get a little catnap in there as well. I enjoy all of that. Go ahead, Con.
- [39:22]
Connor
Yeah, Lane. Most, Sid, suck at their job, just FYI.
- [39:25]
Pat McAfee
Most? Yes, we have learned that. Most. Almost all of them. Go ahead.
- [39:28]
Connor
Almost all, if not all.
- [39:29]
Pat McAfee
No, no, no, no. Because I'm going to run into one and I'm gonna say you're not the one we're talking about. So it's not my opinion.
- [39:35]
Ty Schmidt
My opinion.
- [39:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, almost all.
- [39:37]
Darius J. Butler
But.
- [39:37]
Connor
But Lane, one thing we all love to see from you is when you post on IG and X, kind of those, you know, day to day segments from the book that you're reading, how much does that mean to you and how important it is to you to get in that book every day and kind of help you stay in the moment, kind of keep that moment to moment awareness. And is that something you fall back on a lot of the times, especially amid all the chaos Ty just mentioned?
- [40:01]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, it sure is. I've really changed in that of, you know, I used to just coach thinking, okay, well, it's about getting the players good and getting them to the NFL.
- [40:09]
Ty Schmidt
And.
- [40:09]
Lane Kiffin
And now I've realized, like, I have this really. God's put me on this wonderful platform that for whatever reason, people listen to me and follow me. So to be able to help people now, especially because of all the things I went through and learned from, is my favorite thing. When people come to me say, hey, I watched your E60, man, and I've made changes in my life because of that, or my son did. And I'm like, man, that. That. That gives me a feeling that is so much better than any win or any trophy or anything. So I've kind of become addicted to that, like wanting to just help people not make some of the same mistakes or if they're in some tough spots, helping them through that because of things I've gone through.
- [40:49]
Pat McAfee
What's the name of that book? The Pivot Year. Is that what it's called?
- [40:52]
Lane Kiffin
Yes, the Pivot Year.
- [40:53]
Pat McAfee
Brianna west and what it's like, daily words. Like what? I don't. I don't think I fully understand. What.
- [41:00]
Bruce Arians
What is it?
- [41:02]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, it's just stuff that she wrote that every day has something in there. Like, you know, today, like if you're 90 years old, man, what would you tell yourself when you're making decisions? You know, that was kind of an amazing read this morning.
- [41:15]
Pat McAfee
See, my issue as soon as I would read that is, lady, I'm not living in 90. What's tomorrow?
- [41:19]
Lane Kiffin
I knew you were gonna say I. I knew you.
- [41:20]
Pat McAfee
So then I got the next day. But it's 365 days, I assume, of messages. Yeah, I love the idea. I love a concept. Maybe I. Maybe we do one of those in here. You know, we just project it up onto that wall when everybody walks in here.
- [41:32]
Ty Schmidt
Not bad idea.
- [41:33]
Darius J. Butler
We got the.
- [41:34]
Pat McAfee
The thing.
- [41:34]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah, the thing.
- [41:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we'll put it up on the thing.
- [41:36]
Darius J. Butler
Perfect.
- [41:37]
Pat McAfee
Thank you, ladies.
- [41:38]
Ty Schmidt
Maybe you.
- [41:38]
Lane Kiffin
Maybe you every morning make one up. You know, as you're like, kind of going through your morning thing and you kind of have your tradition of. Of what helps get you clear in the morning. And then you write one for everyone.
- [41:49]
Pat McAfee
You are early writer.
- [41:50]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, you're like most moment as you're sitting there. The Pat McAfee moment.
- [41:55]
Connor
Another job motivating McAfee.
- [41:58]
Lane Kiffin
Motivation by Mac. Motivation by McAfee.
- [42:02]
Pat McAfee
All right, I'll do it in that. I'll do it in that sauna that I'm in in the morning.
- [42:05]
Ty Schmidt
There we go.
- [42:05]
Pat McAfee
Now.
- [42:06]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, don't start with. Yeah, just don't start with things like, well, you probably won't live to be 90, so this doesn't matter, but let.
- [42:12]
Pat McAfee
Me write a little more positive. Can I write my messages, please? Okay. Brianna can write hers, I'll write mine. We don't know if we're going to make it to tomorrow. You know that. That is not a bad way to look at today. Now, on that note, I will try to do this maybe for a betterment of my own being, too. This will help me a lot. So I'm going to do this for incredibly selfish reasons. I don't know how long it's going to last. Let's assume I start one tomorrow.
- [42:36]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [42:36]
Pat McAfee
I'll add Elaine Kiffin. Yeah, I don't know if this makes.
- [42:40]
Ty Schmidt
It to Friday, but if it does.
- [42:42]
Pat McAfee
We'Re on to something.
- [42:44]
Lane Kiffin
PayPal. Pat, stop worrying about Friday. Saturday. Just one day, man. Do it for one day. And then the next day maybe do it. Maybe just one day.
- [42:52]
Pat McAfee
Maybe you should do this one day. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. His name is being talked about in every city, but right now is the good times for old miss and he's enjoying every single second of it. Keep doing you, Lane. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.
- [43:08]
Lane Kiffin
All right, Guys, thanks for having me. How do you Toddy, go rap.
- [43:12]
Pat McAfee
Hashtag come to the sip.
- [43:14]
Lane Kiffin
Come to the sip. Anytime, man. Hey, you got to do the walk with us sometime, man. We had your buddy Theo Vaughn did the walk. He said it was one of the best experiences of his life.
- [43:22]
Pat McAfee
I saw the video pop up on the Internet, and I see you two standing next to each other. I'm like, this is awesome. And, of course. And then I see some videos of Theo experiencing it. And obviously, if you're not a part of the sports world, especially, you know, big time sports world, you very rarely get to experience something like. Like that. It's a special feeling when everybody's kind of coming together saying, hey, go kick their ass. That's a special thing, I think that sports has that nobody else has. Coach.
- [43:44]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [43:45]
Lane Kiffin
He started the walk, and I don't think he realized, like, the walk's like a half mile. It's a long walk through, like, 50,000 people. So, like, right off the bat, he's screaming, this is the greatest thing ever.
- [43:54]
Pat McAfee
Let's go.
- [43:55]
Lane Kiffin
Kick it off. Kick it off. I'm like, hey, bro, we still have a half mile to go.
- [44:00]
Pat McAfee
All right, I'll catch him for the.
- [44:02]
Lane Kiffin
Marathon in the spring sprint.
- [44:04]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [44:04]
Pat McAfee
That's awesome. All right, well, thank you for doing that for Theo, letting him experience.
- [44:07]
Lane Kiffin
Yeah, it was cool.
- [44:08]
Pat McAfee
Thank you for being good for college ball and thank you for your time this morning. You're the best.
- [44:13]
Lane Kiffin
All right, guys, have a good one.
- [44:14]
Pat McAfee
All the best. And we don't know if we're going to make it to 90, so let's make sure we enjoy today because we're in the good old days. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. He was awesome. He was awesome. Obviously, we didn't ask him where he was going to be coaching next year, and I think if he was to give an answer, he would say. Say, I love being an Ole Miss. I think he does, too. You know, there's. There's a lot of old sayings about, like, don't leave happy. And it seems like Lane Kiffin is the happiest he's ever been. Now, obviously, there's a lot of different situations that are open and what he has been able to accomplish at Ole Miss over the last six years, I think people around the sec, old school SEC people are like, hey, he has made this place an expected powerhouse, which is something special and good for ball as a whole. And they also see the style that he plays. The way he plays is an explosive style. It's fun to watch. And if you're able to get a loaded defense alongside of what he can do on the offense, it's easy to see, like, hey, this could be a national champion in the making. And I think Ole Miss is thinking the same thing. So it's a very interesting time for Lane Kiffin. It's an interesting time for these coaching searches. You know, James Franklin was obviously the biggest name that was available for this particular coaching cycle, and he just signed with Virginia Tech. All the other coaches that were maybe going to become the head coaches, whenever these schools opened up, they've all resigned massive deals at their place. So Lane Kiffin's decision, which I guess he's saying there's no ultimate. There's no decision being made. I'm. I'm in the middle of, like, a five. I don't know how many years he has. I don't know what his contract is. He's just doing his thing right now at Ole Miss and certainly sitting in a great leverage position. Yeah, yeah. Let's assume that he understands that because he's been in the business literally his entire life. Like, I understand the coaching business, but he seemingly loves Ole Miss. And every time he's there, every time he comes on, he brings a player on, which I think is sweet, too. Lacy is just like, hey, we're trying to go one day at a time. We're trying to get better every single day. They're all locked in. It's like, that's good leadership out of the guy who's very entertaining as well.
- [46:10]
Darius J. Butler
I love that with all the distractions outside the building. That's always. I feel like one of the biggest challenge for coaches, even in the professional level, but definitely on the collegiate level is kind of excluding the noise on the outside. He seems to have a great relationship with his guys. We see it during the games. You talked about throwing alley hoops, doing the shit. We see it post game. It's always something with either his players or the opponent's players. And we feel like coaches whenever we see them. They're always in recruiting mode. But the world that we live in, when you're that good at your job, like, you do have a decision to make almost year in and year out. Unless you're at one of these schools that you just feel like, okay, maybe Ohio State or, like, Alabama.
- [46:45]
Pat McAfee
What do they call them? Blue bloods.
- [46:46]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [46:47]
Darius J. Butler
But, like, you know, once you get kind of to that top, it's like, okay, what other jump can you make? Ole Miss. While they are a national title contender, you can still look at the LSU job or even the Florida job and say, hey, maybe that's a bump up or stuff, even a Penn State job to some people. So we'll see where he goes. It will be a decision made not only for coaches, but players in this environment. Even when Lacy pops in the screen, it's like just can't help but think like, okay, if he leaves, he'll probably be coming with him or where would he be going next?
- [47:13]
Pat McAfee
We've seen coordinators and quarterbacks.
- [47:15]
Darius J. Butler
We shot with Jukins. He mentioned Juggerns. We saw him in Ohio State.
- [47:19]
Pat McAfee
Basically 70% of the schools that get very good.
- [47:23]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah.
- [47:24]
Pat McAfee
Bring a coach and player or players or Signetti came here to Indiana, brought a roster basically alongside of them and have massive success. It is a different time.
- [47:34]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah.
- [47:34]
Pat McAfee
Now with ever coaches changing. Gohan.
- [47:36]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I was just gonna say like there, there aren't too many times in your career. I don't think either. We all know how good of a head coach Lane Kiffin is, but like he's the bell of the ball right now, you know, And I don't know how many times you get that opportunity where literally every college, every college that has an opening, they want you and they want you really badly. So obviously he's not going to, he's not thinking about other stuff right now because if you're an LSU or you're a Florida, like, guess what, it really isn't that big of a deal. You can wait until January when the season's over, if Ole Miss is to win the national championship and then he can make a decision. But if you're an Ole Miss fan, I understand, you know, this, all this kind of stuff probably pisses you off because you'd like him to just sign an extension and declare his allegiance and stay there. But like, you also have to understand, like, he may never get this opportunity ever again in his career.
- [48:25]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And it's also like, if you were in his seat right now, what would you do? You know? Like, he loves Ole Miss. He loves, he's in middle school. All that shit is not happening with him either. I think he has an agent and everything else is kind of happening outside. Outside. He's just trying to win right now and there's still time to do everything is what he's saying. But he's certainly got to understand the situation as well. I would assume Coach Ba, who's a coach in college and in the NFL, he understands the situation that is currently happening around him. He's not promoting it. I don't think he is. He literally only wanted to come on there to say, hey, Ole Miss. And I do not have any. There's no heat between me and Ole Miss, I think is what he wanted to clear up. I think that is why came on today. Like, hey, there's no ultimatum. There's no, you need this. There's none of that happening right now. We are focused on ball right now. He knows all that's happening though, right, Coach?
- [49:10]
Bruce Arians
Totally. And he knows. He's been in his business, dad, the whole time. That elevator rises real fast to the top, to the bottom, and it's only a couple losses like you said. And you're looking for a job right now. Everybody wants you do what's best for your family.
- [49:22]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so exactly likes to go on the record. Do what's best for your family. Okay? This is old Coach B. I would like to go on the record and say I love the fact that they are seemingly locked in on this egg ball. Like, I appreciate that it feels like, and it might be the modern day with how the world works. But like, that kid Lacy, they've been talking to him since he's like ninth grade, probably. There's been business deals trying to be happening since he's 10th, 11th, 12th grade. So, like, he might be only 19, but in this modern world that we're in of distractions, like the things we used to call big time distractions, money getting money on the table. Somehow somebody's doing this. Having negative things said about you, maybe in the media. Like, these dudes are literally entrenched in this throughout their teenage years. They see everything that everybody says about them all the time in their phone and they have throughout their entirety. So it feels like they're a much more mature, maybe group of individuals than maybe in the past because they've had to be because they wouldn't be able to survive if they weren't. So. So it's like the way they handle a coach, maybe getting talked about or more money being talked about. It's like they've been hearing that shit since they're 14 years old. Like, hey, you go win this tournament, there's a chance that you get an Adidas deal, lockdown, something in the future, a Nike deal. You do something like there's always been like stipulations to basically everything and everybody for these generation, I think. So it's made them much more welcoming to the situation. Maybe easier for them to buy into everything happening. So I don't think there's any distress interactions. No. Where it Used to maybe be like some sensitive or some personal feelings. Now it's like these dudes are like, hey, this is business.
- [50:54]
Darius J. Butler
I think it still is, but I think the. The best ones are going to be able to. To separate it. They can compartmentalize. Hey, I can handle the business or have someone or some people handle that business. And then when it's time to. Because it is still just as tough. In between those lines, we heard Kirby Smart talk about, hey, some players just want that check. They don't want the physicality. So being able to handle both, I think that'll. That'll be an even bigger separator of the two different type of athletes that we have going forward.
- [51:20]
Pat McAfee
Hey, it feels like Ole Miss got a bunch of D2 guy comes in, dad, it's like, yeah, yeah, I understand. Hey, you might go. They're saying the bigger. You're going to get a bigger check somewhere. You should have seen what I was getting at Ferris State.
- [51:30]
Connor
Yeah.
- [51:30]
Pat McAfee
So what you guys offer me, you changed my life here. So if you get a potential, like, I feel like they're just entrenched in it. They're like having. It's almost like more commonality between the coach and the player, almost like a much more understanding, which can rally a group. I think that could. So Ole Miss, there's a chance they benefit from all this conversation happening actually for the motivation of the team, even though their fans don't want to hear that at all.
- [51:52]
Connor
Yeah. And it's not as if this is Lane's first rodeo. Like, he did this. That was the biggest thing when watching his E60 when he was at Tennessee and he, you know, left to go to usc. Like, that felt like a decision that people are trying to work him into. It's damn near like the Internet and everybody in Ole Miss and how a lot it is about him not signing the extension, yada, yada, yada, and all the options he has. Like, he went through that process at Tennessee and what did he do? He ended up leaving Tennessee, and then there was a riot in the street. So, like, there's. There's so many different aspects that go into it, and the fabric of college football is different because of the payment of players. So you can't really compare college football then to college football now, but you can compare him being poached by other schools and him having the temptation to leave and what he's doing right now. He went through the process already. Feels as though when he looks back on it, he might have approached that entire thing wrong at Tennessee at USC with how everything ended, ended up. Whereas now he's more so like as enlightened as you can be. Like, hey, no, we're worried about right now. We're worried about today. We're worried about the game that's on our schedule. Still not worried about all the shit that could come because who the hell knows what changes?
- [52:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, they lose every game out here. You know, things are going to change quickly to your point. And BA your words of advice once again, Tim, would be do what's best for your family. All right, and on that note, let's go to Hammer, ap. Tone, Tone, anything on Lane Kiffin that we missed? And also, what do you think the CFP committee is going to roll out this evening as their projected 12 team playoff for their third edition of the CFP projections?
- [53:20]
AP Tone
Yeah, for, for Lane. I agree with Coach Ba do what's best for your family and that's probably going to LSU or Florida.
- [53:27]
Pat McAfee
Ole Miss are having a good time walking out there. They're unbelievable. They're throwing oops.
- [53:32]
AP Tone
Listen, I, I, I love Ole Miss, I really, really do. But I mean they are playing that transfer portal game there and it's not so much of that at Florida and lsu. So I think it's more of a, less of a dice roll season by season at those places. Plus, I mean, LSU at night, that's, I mean that's just Ole Miss.
- [53:50]
Pat McAfee
They say, yeah, yeah, it's great.
- [53:52]
AP Tone
But let's talk about Ole Miss. We'll talk about tonight. Let's talk about the College Football Playoff. I do think Ole Miss moves up to number six and that is because Alabama lost. So, so one's going to be the same, two is going to be the same, three is going to be the same. That's Ohio State, Indiana and A and M. I don't see anything changing there with what happened this weekend. A and M, the comeback was impressive. So I don't, I don't think they're going to dock them for that. I don't think they're going to put them over for IU for that. So I think 1, 2, 3, stay the same.
- [54:22]
Ty Schmidt
4.
- [54:23]
AP Tone
Georgia got a big win over Texas. They bump up because Alabama was at 4 and they take a loss.
- [54:28]
Ty Schmidt
5.
- [54:28]
AP Tone
Texas Tech is going to move up to where Georgia was because they were at six last week ahead of Ole Miss. So there's no reason that I think Ole Miss is going to jump Texas Tech. So I think 5 and 6 will be Texas Tech and Ole Miss and that this is where the questions Start coming in. So I have Oregon at 7, but I also had Oregon higher last time in the very first one and they didn't love Oregon. They disrespected Oregon and they had Oregon lower than other teams. But Oregon's only got one loss. Oklahoma's got two losses. Bama's got two losses. So I do think they're going to have Oregon at 7. But there's a chance that Oklahoma and Bama may be ahead of Oregon in that situation. We will see Oklahoma at 8 because they just beat Bama head to head at 9, Notre Dame at 10. They had Miami at 11 last week. Miami 1. I don't see any reason why they would move Miami out of that. Georgia Tech had a close, close win against Boston College and then the Toss up is 12. I have North Texas. They're the only one loss American team. That could be Tulane, that could be Navy, but I just have North Texas up there at 12 right now.
- [55:34]
Pat McAfee
All right, well, I appreciate that. And we are trying to predict what the CFP committee is going to do, right?
- [55:40]
AP Tone
Correct. Yes.
- [55:41]
Pat McAfee
Would that be the same as how you view it right now, though?
- [55:45]
Ty Schmidt
Similar.
- [55:45]
AP Tone
Very, very similar.
- [55:46]
Pat McAfee
All right, let's talk about the A and M ranking because it's going to become the topic of conversation because there's people that think it's know they should be ranked higher because how great they have been, obviously. And they have won. They were down 30 to 3 at halftime. What did that tell you about the Texas A and M team? Do you dock them or raise their score for them?
- [56:01]
Bruce Arians
I raise it. I mean, to come back. South Carolina is a good football team.
- [56:04]
Pat McAfee
They're up 30 to three and a half.
- [56:06]
Bruce Arians
They lost some close, close games and some. All the teams on that list right there. And to come back and score 30 some points and win the game that. That talks about the. What's in their heart in the locker room. And Mike Elko is a hell of a coach.
- [56:18]
Pat McAfee
Yes, he is. Do you show you're saying after that game you would raise them in the rankings as opposed to maybe lower them in the rankings? Because there's people out there that see those close wins, like Indiana over Penn State. Like Penn State not supposed to be that good. South Carolina not supposed to be that good. There's people that are like there, it was really close. It was too close. Not as good of a team. We players have said, yeah, right. I think that type of win is more important than anything else. How do you view it?
- [56:42]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, I think it's way more important. And it's hard to flip India. Indiana's playing so good and that win at Arsenal bargain. But look at that strength of schedule that A M is playing. They're number two to me.
- [56:52]
Pat McAfee
Oh geez, he's saying, yeah, I'm on that side.
- [56:55]
Bruce Arians
If you're number one in the sec, then to me you're number two.
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- [59:17]
Bruce Arians
Yeah. This can't.
- [59:20]
Connor
It's a good point.
- [59:22]
Pat McAfee
I didn't know we were going to utilize this as an opportunity as, hey, me to get this out of the game. We're not doing fake claps. We're not doing real claps.
- [59:29]
Bruce Arians
Laps.
- [59:29]
Pat McAfee
We're going, hey, we need at least a little bit of leadership out there.
- [59:32]
Bruce Arians
Is what you're saying getting something down your gut? Let's go.
- [59:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we need. Because they're going to need that at some point in their life.
- [59:36]
Bruce Arians
Indeed.
- [59:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Not even just in football, just in life in general. Gonna need to be able to have a little bit of command at some point, especially if you're playing quarterback.
- [59:44]
Bruce Arians
I can't tell you how many quarterbacks I've interviewed over the years. Oh, I never called a play. What's your snap count? You've never called a play and you never use a snap count.
- [59:52]
Pat McAfee
You're a quarterback.
- [59:53]
Bruce Arians
I could throw. There's a little bit more to it than that.
- [59:58]
Pat McAfee
It's not on them, though. I mean, obviously, we're kind of giving them an excuse, but legitimately, their entire football careers have been, hey, you're just the most athletic guy we got. Okay? Don't you worry about anything. You look over at us, we'll tell you to play, and then you're just easy as this. Okay? If we hold up two, you're doing. You're okay. That's what you're doing. And they don't really expect anything from them. I think Tom Brady actually did an entire take on this about how when you don't really expect much from people, you're not really going to reach their expectations of themselves ever, or whatever. You put more responsibility on people, they're actually going to show up for you in a bigger way. And he thought football was getting too simplified. Sounds like you as quarterback also feel the same way Now. Are we getting back, though? Does it feel like it's coming back?
- [60:38]
Bruce Arians
It's very cyclical. I don't see that many teams holding up the cars going 1,000 miles an hour.
- [60:43]
Pat McAfee
We got the headphones now in the.
- [60:46]
Connor
In the helmet.
- [60:46]
Pat McAfee
In the helmets. Oh, yeah, you thought I was talking to you in the headphones now. Yeah, they're like the NFL. College is like the NFL now.
- [60:52]
Bruce Arians
So I brought up over Mike Norvell. He Was at Arizona State to Arizona Cardinals. All right, teach our guys all this you're doing, man. I said but if you could talk to him, would you do this?
- [61:01]
Pat McAfee
He's hell no, Norville.
- [61:03]
Bruce Arians
Exactly.
- [61:03]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. So now that they have the ears, they're able to do it. It has changed it a bit and I think also the style of football, it feels like it's kind of changing right in front of our eyes now. Last night the Dallas Cowboys get a huge win. The talks tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmid, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler.
- [61:18]
Darius J. Butler
Yes sir.
- [61:18]
Pat McAfee
Huge takeaway from the Dallas Cowboys last.
- [61:20]
Darius J. Butler
Night from you is I like their defense going forward. I feel much better about it now against the Las Vegas Raiders. So I'm not too high on him. I would like to see him, you know, kind of same way. Hey Dan Campbell. Oh man, he's back calling plays against commanders. Got to see it for a few more games against good defense. So I feel the same way but I feel much better because I know Dallas week in and week out they can be great on offense. Not sure about the defense but I feel better with the bodies that are on the field.
- [61:45]
Pat McAfee
Joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a college football national champion, a Super bowl champion, a Rodder cup winner, the all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, AJ Hawk. Hawker D. Buck's big takeaway is hey, the defense for the Cowboys might not be ass. You know, they made some plays at the trade deadline. Obviously Jerry Jones said I'm going to be in the market at all times. I have a trade in my back pocket, maybe in my front pocket too. I might have one inside my boot. You don't know what I'm going to do in this entire thing. Made some plays. They're getting some guys back healthy, deep up. Pointing out in the first hour Malik Hooker, who obviously we know here in Indianapolis, you know, at Ohio State, incredible player especially whenever he's on the field. He just returned back after an injury. So it's like are the Dallas Cowboys defense may be primed to go on a little bit of a run to maybe get them back into contention down there.
- [62:28]
AJ Hawk
I mean they absolutely should be. I think the Quinn and Williams Kenny Clark duo up front is awesome. Those guys are going to give O lines nightmares I think moving forward. But Logan Wilson's also came over from the Bengals. You know, he was running around the middle of the field a decent amount and look at this, this run stopping D. I just like when they kept coming cutting to Jer in His box. And he was kind of slouched down in his seat. He was like. He was cackling a few times after Quinn and Williams would make a play. Like he was. He was. I think he was feeling pretty good last night.
- [62:55]
Pat McAfee
The amount of. Amount of jolly G. I assume that there was, and I know did not tell him. Did he have one of those things where he walks out and they have microphones in his face? Do you remember those things?
- [63:04]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
- [63:05]
Pat McAfee
Did he have one of those last night? And did it look like. Come closer. Gotta be able to stop the run. I said it. And we were able to do it on prime time here. This is what I've been saying. Now, you know Mr. Clark, he was part of that Michael trade that nobody was talking about.
- [63:19]
AJ Hawk
Yep.
- [63:20]
Pat McAfee
I felt like I was a super genius. Now nobody even talked about Mr. Clark. You know what he does in the middle of D line. You think they're running on us? I don't think so. And then wait till you see what I. Oh, Quinn and Williams. You ever heard of him? You have? Yeah. He's coming over as well. And guess what we're gonna do? We're gonna stop the running.
- [63:33]
Bruce Arians
Michael.
- [63:33]
Pat McAfee
What's he doing? Well, he's closing out games for the Green Bay Packers. We don't need that. Don't ask about Michael.
- [63:39]
Ty Schmidt
I think Michael's a sack of shit, so don't ask me about Michael again.
- [63:43]
Pat McAfee
Jerry's got to be so pumped. He's got to be so pumped right now. He's potentially drilling for $100 billion in natural gas, and his defense is doing what he was hoping that it would do in the end and they might get back into contention. Now, on the flip side, Las Vegas Raiders. We made a massive pitch in the first hour. I don't know if you heard, for Max Crosby to. To just not be on their team anymore. And I understand that that takes a lot of different decisions. There's a lot of emotions involved in this. I understand. You know, there's been a lot of turnover, and there's been a pillar, and there's only been a certain amount of pillars of the Raiders franchise. And Max Crosby wants to epitomize everything that there is to be a Raider. And I appreciate that. But a part of just being a Raider and nobody else is, we're not going to see in big game ever, you know, And I'm bummed out about it. That's what it feels like. At least I feel like they're just a cursed franchise. Every decision that is like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just goes, no, no.
- [64:42]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [64:43]
Pat McAfee
And what do they do?
- [64:44]
AJ Hawk
I mean, what do they do with Pete Carroll, first year head coach?
- [64:46]
Pat McAfee
Like, what.
- [64:47]
AJ Hawk
What do you do? Obviously, trade deadline's gone, so Max is there for the rest of this year. But what happens after this? Like, this off season? What does it look like for the Raiders?
- [64:54]
Pat McAfee
I have no idea. I honestly have no idea what they do. All these people are so new. New. And it was supposed to be good. Now granted. Hey, let them get their culture in there, okay? Let this. No doubt. Let them get their culture in there. Let them.
- [65:06]
Darius J. Butler
No Pete, Carol, he's not a spring chicken.
- [65:10]
Pat McAfee
All right?
- [65:11]
Darius J. Butler
Took a shot. And the shot was, hey, to. Let's. Let's compete. Now. We don't need to go win a Super bowl now, but we need to be competitive. So if you finish. Finish this season how it started, you move on, you. You restart. Brady Spy Tech, you restart.
- [65:25]
Pat McAfee
Start.
- [65:25]
Darius J. Butler
I love Pete. Might be a little longer than two.
- [65:28]
Ty Schmidt
What?
- [65:29]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah, I love Pete. And we. It was some shots on him on the sideline where he didn't look like the same old Pete.
- [65:34]
Pat McAfee
I know.
- [65:35]
Darius J. Butler
I saw the gum was beating him. I don't like that.
- [65:37]
Pat McAfee
I know the gum was beating him. I saw.
- [65:39]
Darius J. Butler
I don't like that.
- [65:39]
Pat McAfee
At the bottom of the crunches, the gum wrapping a little bit longer so it's a slower uplift. The gum starting to win a little bit more than what it used to be. Okay, I understand what you're saying when you talk about those types of things, like Pete, but Pete is only one legitimately, from what I remember now. I think there was a time maybe in New England, he was coach, or maybe some other places where it didn't go well. But from my entire memory life, usc, he wins. Seattle, he wins. He's awesome. Everybody loves everything he says. He gets kicked out of Seattle. I mean, yeah, do.
- [66:12]
Connor
And how's Seattle?
- [66:13]
Pat McAfee
And Seattle's really reaping the benefits of that right now. Moving on, they got a nice young Coach McDonald. And boy, I'll tell you, he brings it. On the defensive side.
- [66:24]
Connor
It happened fast.
- [66:25]
Pat McAfee
And they're gonna get. They got a quarterback who's kind of on a revenge tour just for the entire world. Now. He had a bad outing against the Rams. They were wearing a midnight mode. It's tough to play against them. Everybody was making the ghost jokes. Let's relax, okay? There's no reason for that. Just because it was night. Midnight and ghosts.
- [66:42]
Connor
Yeah, Pocahontas.
- [66:43]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [66:44]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he dropped a subtle little ghost out there, but I think that's because he's like paying tribute to Ty Hilton, because he's always open. Sure. But the Seattle Seahawks turned the page quickly. Painted over the walls, Legion of who. Yeah.
- [66:59]
Darius J. Butler
I don't love that.
- [67:01]
Pat McAfee
Pete Carroll.
- [67:02]
Darius J. Butler
Yep.
- [67:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Let's get him out of here.
- [67:05]
Connor
Triple coat that one.
- [67:06]
Pat McAfee
Russell Wilson. Yeah, man, do that. Super Bowls. Okay. All right. We'll find new ones. And thank God, new team. Jesus, we hated it. Thank God we got a new team. And now they are a whole different team. Brand new characters, brand new dominance. And Pete Carroll had to sit out for a year, and then he gets his opportunity here with Las Vegas. And I just know Pete Carroll, especially for how competitive he is every day, wants to compete. Everything's a competition. That's why he's still in shape. That's why I can still spin it at 70. Whatever he is, it's like he wanted to be good. Very good.
- [67:43]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
- [67:44]
Pat McAfee
With the Raiders, I mean, he wanted this to be great. And that is why they brought in Gino. Yeah. And that's why they did make some plays. That's why they.
- [67:50]
AJ Hawk
What were the expectations, though? Like, honestly, what was. What was the expectation? Coming in. They think they were a playoff team.
- [67:55]
Connor
No, no, it's what Debut said. Just competitive. And, like, it hasn't been like, Chip Kelly's the highest paid offensive coordinator. They NFL, the 31st offense. Like, we forget about that, too. And it does take a lot of nuts to cut bait after one year. But from a team that just did it, like, sometimes it is the right decision. Sometimes you do have to do that. And keeping the GM spy tech would also make a lot of sense.
- [68:18]
Ty Schmidt
They're just. They're in no man's land. Because I understand we've talked about this with the jets right now with what they're doing, but they. They have so many positions in need. And I understand Max Crosby could be one. A top five Raider of all the time. They need to trade him. They need to trade Brock Bowers. They need to stockpile as many picks as they can because they have about 15 positions in need that they have, and they need to go. Just try to get lucky and find those guys. We've heard about Brady and Spy Tech. They think spytech's really good. It just, like, it's too bad, but you. You do. You have to blow it up.
- [68:51]
Pat McAfee
And we don't want to keep doing this. We feel bad for Raiders fans. We would like your team to be good because the Raiders being good would be sick. We just fear that it's Probably, I think. I mean, Tom Brady's in there making decisions for you guys. It's not going well. In my simple football brain, I go, tom Brady can't figure it out. Who else would you call? Tom Brady. Well, he's there already.
- [69:10]
Ty Schmidt
It's not working.
- [69:11]
Pat McAfee
I don't know. You're not gonna call me? I'm not giving you an answer. Tom Brady's giving you the wrong ones. I don't even know what it is. But that's why I believe that maybe they do have a chance to be good.
- [69:20]
Ty Schmidt
But it's also one of those things where if you're like, you know, like they. We talked about Ben Johnson and Brady and like, they're. If you're. You're one of these like, kind of up and coming coaches who a lot of people are looking at and they like. Or do you want to go take the Raiders job and potentially get fired in like a year and a half as opposed to just getting an also ran who's been around there? Like. I. I don't know.
- [69:42]
Bruce Arians
I mean, it's tough. It's tough decision. I. I would not get rid of Pete for sure. Pete's got so much energy and that's. He lives for it.
- [69:50]
Pat McAfee
John.
- [69:50]
Bruce Arians
I worked with John Spytech. He's outstanding. Great evaluation. They'll kill the draft each year. I think.
- [69:56]
Pat McAfee
I.
- [69:57]
Bruce Arians
Like you said, I'm not getting rid of Brock. He's too young. He's too good.
- [70:01]
Ty Schmidt
He's unbelievable.
- [70:02]
Pat McAfee
All right, Max is up there.
- [70:03]
Bruce Arians
Let's get as much as we can for him.
- [70:05]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [70:06]
Bruce Arians
Maybe we get three offensive linemen for him.
- [70:08]
Pat McAfee
That's a good idea.
- [70:09]
AJ Hawk
All right.
- [70:10]
Bruce Arians
Two in the draft and a trade. And now we got picked up front. Gino can still spin it. He's showing it. He was lighting it up there on those play action passes last night. And then obviously sudden one gets tipped. Now all of a sudden, there are.
- [70:22]
Pat McAfee
Throwing at 20 times a game with.
- [70:23]
Bruce Arians
The best young running back in the league. I don't know about that one, but, you know, may it all goes up front again. Yeah, but I'm not blowing it up.
- [70:31]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [70:32]
Connor
All right.
- [70:32]
Pat McAfee
Coach BA speaks and we shall listen. Tom Brady is there. We assume he'll have success. Pete Carroll, to his credit, has had success. Tom. You know, Tom Brady letting Gino be the quarterback for the team that he's on. He has respect for Gino. Yeah, I think we all think Gino. Gino getting a bit unlucky a lot of times this season, but he's taken the blame for everything. Happening in the city which we respect and appreciate. Let's pivot away from that and let's go to a moment that we were honored to be a part of. So this has started to happen on a few different occasions now. Not on a regular basis, but a few different occasions where our show is allowed to be a part of like one of the biggest moments of an athlete's life where somebody commits to a university to play football or basketball or whatever their sport is of choice and continue their athletic career. Now we assume, especially with getting to know the guys that have done that on our show, that these guys are going to go on to be pros and potentially hall of Famers. And it's an honor that we are a tiny part of their guaranteed documentary later about their football lives. And today is no different. We got a dude from Harrisburg High, Pennsylvania. He's 6 foot 5, 285 pounds, peace, 18 year old dog. His face and hair make him look like Captain America. When his picture hit the Internet, I didn't think anybody could really look like that. He's almost chiseled like he's a Greek God. A statue of a man, an 18 year old high schooler who's one of the top ranked offensive linemen in the world. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, Harrisburg High School stud, Kevin Brown.
- [72:14]
Connor
Yay. Kevin, how you doing?
- [72:17]
Pat McAfee
How are you doing? Hey, I don't want to gas you up too much, but I think people needed to understand who we're talking to here. You know, I hope you didn't get too embarrassed for that entire. Yeah, okay, good. Who do you have with you here, Kevin?
- [72:27]
Ty Schmidt
I have my dad, my mom and my grandma.
- [72:30]
Pat McAfee
I see family. How are you doing? It's an honor to be a part of this day with your family, dad. Hell yeah. Thank you for your service to the West Virginia Mountaineers. And as an NFL, NFL stud, I appreciate the hell out of you. Now Kevin, obviously we talked about you being six' five, 285, and now the world knows your dad, NFL lineman as well and NFL stud. How long has the recruiting process been for you and how has it gone to get to this particular point? I know obviously with everything that happens in the college coaching world, it kind of changed it a little bit. But how has your recruiting time been in your life here, Kevin?
- [73:05]
Ty Schmidt
I mean, I mean it started when I was a freshman. Troutwine from Penn State recruited me and then West Virginia was my second offer and they just kept piling on from there. And then in July of my sophomore year, I Committed to Penn State. And that was awesome. I was set in stone. I was ready to go to Penn State. And then James Franklin gets fired, and then I gotta open it back up. And it was stressful, man. For the past two months, texting 10 coaches a day.
- [73:33]
Pat McAfee
Day.
- [73:34]
Ty Schmidt
And yeah, I mean, stressful, but very blessed to be in the situation I'm in.
- [73:39]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Anytime you have that much attention, there's good reason. There's a lot of hard work that has gone into you getting to this moment in your life. And obviously, when there's a change of a coach, a change of an entire organization, you're allowed to reevaluate things as the school did for themselves. After doing that, I think now would be a great time to let the world know where you're headed next, Kevin.
- [74:00]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, I mean, I've been praying about it, thinking about it, talking my parents, talking with coaches, and it's clear to me where I have to go. And I'm committing for the next three to four years. The University of West Virginia, baby.
- [74:20]
Pat McAfee
Kevin, let's go country road.
- [74:25]
AJ Hawk
Take me home.
- [74:28]
Pat McAfee
To the place. West Virginia, yo. Yeah, buddy. Congratulations.
- [74:38]
Darius J. Butler
Where you taking us?
- [74:39]
Ty Schmidt
I appreciate it.
- [74:40]
Pat McAfee
I have a special surprise for you, man. All right, all right, all right. You won't believe it, but listen here, his dad. I'm bringing couch burning back to Morgantown, baby. Let's do it. Yo. Some difficulties, but we're gonna do it. My little man.
- [75:02]
Ty Schmidt
There it goes. There it goes.
- [75:04]
Pat McAfee
Okay, Kevin. I like that. Kevin. I respect. We're bringing it back, baby. Okay. Okay. The people, the Morgantown police aren't gonna love that, but I'll tell you what. Be fine with it, man.
- [75:17]
Darius J. Butler
You got one.
- [75:18]
Pat McAfee
Oh, yeah. Okay. We like the good old days out there, baby. Big commitment. W. Baby, let's do it. Okay, I'm. I like that. We're celebrating for sure in Morgantown with you coming. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Let's do it. Hey, dad. Oh, that's hot, baby. Yeah, it's gonna be hot. Yeah. You gotta watch yourself. Listen, I'm not saying that. Oh, man, look at that fire.
- [75:42]
Ty Schmidt
That thing going, going.
- [75:44]
Pat McAfee
Let's go put the thing out. Oh, that's amazing. Hey, dad, dad, dad. Hold it still. Hold it still. Hey, dad. Yes. Hell, yeah, man. Getting your boy to go to West Virginia. I know you played for Coach Rod back in the day. What do you think, though, of this whole thing? I'm obviously incredibly proud of our alma mater. Yes, I'm super. It's been a tough process because the situation at West Virginia. Hold on one second. Hey, guys. Okay. Yeah. You got to do what you got to do. Yeah. Hey.
- [76:16]
Connor
Yeah.
- [76:16]
Ty Schmidt
Hey.
- [76:16]
Pat McAfee
The situation at West Virginia, what? Hasn't been good for the last couple years. Years. And it's been tough with the last couple coaches. Once Rod came in, my stomach dropped because he's already committed to West Virginia. I mean, committed to Penn State. And it's been.
- [76:31]
Lane Kiffin
It's been a.
- [76:32]
Pat McAfee
It's been heartbreaking for me since he's been a sophomore because he's been committed so early. And then Franklin got fired, and all the situation at Penn State fell apart. So it's. It's been such a blessing, actually. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah, it has.
- [76:46]
Lane Kiffin
Sure.
- [76:46]
Pat McAfee
It really has been. And, Kevin, let's talk about you. Yes. Okay. So you grew up, obviously, a West Virginia fan, I would assume. I know you're in the Penn State area, so obviously you have friends and family from there, but with your dad going to West Virginia and obviously having a lot of pride in West Virginia, you grew up around the culture. You grew up around Coach Rod and everybody. Yeah, grew up. I mean, no, not.
- [77:07]
Ty Schmidt
Not Coach Rod Holgerson.
- [77:09]
Pat McAfee
Okay, got it.
- [77:10]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [77:10]
Ty Schmidt
It was not the West Virginia culture we know today. Like, we went to our practice one.
- [77:14]
Pat McAfee
Day and they kicked us out.
- [77:16]
Ty Schmidt
Like, not a good feeling.
- [77:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah. Got it, got it, got it.
- [77:18]
Ty Schmidt
And then my sophomore year, went to West Virginia on a visit, and the.
- [77:22]
Pat McAfee
O line coach didn't even watch my film. Okay, like, all right, now let's not talk about those things. Let's not talk about those movie this summer. And, like, holy cow. Like, totally changed.
- [77:37]
Ty Schmidt
I went to Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and.
- [77:40]
Pat McAfee
West Virginia's facilities, coaches, and everything was just elite. Hell, yeah. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. I can't wait to watch you change the program. I can't wait to watch you kind of experience life. I will keep in touch. Please tell your dad and family we said thank you. And, Kevin, good luck out there, brother.
- [77:58]
Connor
You're the man.
- [78:00]
Pat McAfee
I appreciate it. Hell, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Hell, yeah. That's West Virginia University mountaineer Kevin Brown. Yeah, Kevin.
- [78:09]
Ty Schmidt
Guy's a madman.
- [78:10]
Pat McAfee
Wow. I have a surprise for you at the end.
- [78:12]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah.
- [78:13]
Pat McAfee
Is what he told me. I had no idea what it was. I had no idea what that was.
- [78:16]
Connor
I thought it was like a painting.
- [78:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I talked to him this morning. I'm getting a chance. I've gotten a chance to catch up with him here. I mean, you're talking about a guy that's committed to bald, bro. I mean, you're Just like all these other guys that we talked to. AJ and obviously Ohio State was on the board there and we did keep AJ off the screen. Yeah.
- [78:31]
Ty Schmidt
Wait a minute. Is that AJ Hog? Yeah, we do.
- [78:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. There was no way you were gonna slide in there. Okay. There was no way you were going to slide in there. Obviously Penn State was a part of the original commitment. And then whenever they changed their mind, he did the same thing. And I wasn't letting BA talk in there either, you know, Cuz she hired Frank. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So we were keeping everybody off camera for that particular time. That's huge for West Virginia, AJ Obviously you guys experience this at Ohio State a lot, but with what coach Rod is trying to build, we got a freshman quarterback in Scotty Fox who's a dog. Okay. He's an absolute dog. A beast, this guy. Not wear, not scared of anything. And then we get like a tone setter offensive lineman. I think it kind of sets the stage for what type of team we want to be and what a hard edge team is. I think it's like a big precedent setter for the entire culture. This type of shit. AJ.
- [79:19]
AJ Hawk
Oh, absolutely. And just, I mean, after these. I love watching the highlights of them. But that, that first still shot, that photo you guys had of him kind of like at a camp or whatever it was.
- [79:29]
Lane Kiffin
That's not.
- [79:29]
AJ Hawk
That's a high school kiddo. Like he hasn't even grown into his body yet. That's what's freaking freakish about all that. And talk about like a legacy. His dad played there. His dad understands what it's about and he seems to already understand the culture, man. Like, this is. That's a big day for, for West Virginia, honestly.
- [79:42]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Huge day for us. It seems like a huge day for the dad too.
- [79:45]
Connor
Yeah.
- [79:46]
Ty Schmidt
Really cool clip is awesome.
- [79:49]
Pat McAfee
This is the first minute of his huddle highlight. There is more obviously. And he's only going to continue. They're in the, I think the quarterfinals. Yeah, this upcoming Friday. I think he's. He, you know, he talked about all the text messages and everything that was happening throughout the last couple months since the Penn State change with that. I think he was excited to get this like. Oh, I bet it felt like he was excited to kind of get it out there. What a moment. And then, hey, we are taking it back. He said, get the couches ready. And I like how prime they had. Do you see the gasoline?
- [80:20]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah.
- [80:21]
AP Tone
Unbelievable.
- [80:21]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, they had gas ready for that thing. They've lit a fire or two before. I'll say I mean they have certainly been around around it for sure.
- [80:28]
Bruce Arians
There's no doubt about it.
- [80:29]
Pat McAfee
What a moment though there, coach. Like, honestly.
- [80:31]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, that's one of the biggest days of your life when you, when you get it all off of you and you committed and you're excited and you get to sign that scholarship. It's amazing.
- [80:39]
Pat McAfee
And now we just kind of focus on just going forward with ball now granted there's a chance, you know, I mean, we. West Virginia around wins the national championship next year.
- [80:51]
Connor
I don't see why not.
- [80:52]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [80:52]
Bruce Arians
Yes.
- [80:52]
Darius J. Butler
Thank God Rich Rod's back. So that tape, I mean, o line coach didn't even watch it. Just watch three plays.
- [80:58]
Connor
That's in the past.
- [81:00]
Pat McAfee
We don't know.
- [81:01]
Darius J. Butler
That's what I'm saying. Thank God Rich Rod back.
- [81:03]
Pat McAfee
We don't, you know. Really? I mean, yeah, I mean I wanted a hall of fame this year. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't because of previous years. I don't believe, you know, there. There isn't necessarily that. But on that note, I think each team was trying their best for one West Virginia. You know, like each organization kind of ran themselves a little bit differently. I think when Dana got to West Virginia, they went to the Big 12. It was like a big difference. They painted the walls, basically. It was like, hey, we're a brand new team. I think they tried to get better in schooling. Like the academics weren't like they tried to refranchise almost every part of it. And they had success, you know. Cause Geno and Tavon were unbelievably electrifying and they won a BCS game. So it was a big deal, you know, so they had a brand new era almost. So our era that had just basically finished, which was the most successful maybe ever. Now the boys back in the day could have been in the national championship. So I don't want to disrespect them, but Pat White won five bowl games, including a Senior bowl, two of them being bcs. And if it wasn't for a kicker missing a couple kicks in the first quarter, we probably in a national championship, he probably wins it as well. So we were an unbelievable team. But they were trying to move on from our era. They were trying to move on from the Rich Rod. They were trying to move on from everything. We were. So I understand what they were trying to do. It didn't work out. And then Neil Bran comes in and that didn't work. And that was vastly different than what I had experienced. You know, it was just it was hard for our thing, I think our group to relate to these groups as well, just because vastly different styles of everything. Just everything was completely different. So then Rich Rod comes back and it almost felt like, I think the group that played for him to be felt like, oh, we're allowed, or we're welcome back home again because we're allowed to talk about everything that kind of happened in the past. And I think that's what shined through right there in that conversation the most. Where some of the things he wanted to say is like, it felt like Kevin was like, I wanted to be a West Virginia guy.
- [82:53]
Connor
Yeah, yeah.
- [82:54]
Pat McAfee
Like I wanted. My dad was in there. But like, they were so focused on, like, not thinking about the past, like this guy played for the last. We're not even thinking about that. We're trying to do it differently. You know, if that would have worked, it would have been great. But obviously Rich Rod's back and now it feels. Feels like there's a little bit of a hard edge. Joining us now is a man who's just looking for this, this far. It's always looking for head coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers, a man who cannot say a recruit's name in public or on media until they sign a commitment scholarship. Head coach of the West Virginia Mountaineer football team, Rich Rodriguez. I hear him, Coach.
- [83:31]
Rich Rodriguez
What's going on, guys?
- [83:32]
Pat McAfee
Hey.
- [83:33]
Rich Rodriguez
Hey. We're having a good day, I guess.
- [83:38]
Pat McAfee
I think you're having a pretty good day. There's a celebration happening around West Virginia. Obviously you can't say any names of any recruits, but what does the future look like for the West Virginia Mountaineers this particular day?
- [83:48]
Rich Rodriguez
I can't say any names, any recruits, but we're having a great day. I hear there's couches that are burning. You know, there's, there's and. And this mattress out is now gotten down to that.
- [84:01]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. From what I.
- [84:04]
Rich Rodriguez
From what I understand. So it's all good. It's a process. But BA can tell you it's sure a hell a lot easier to get that much when you got big people that move other big people against their will.
- [84:18]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so let's talk about people that can do that. I have Learned of these 18 year olds, okay, that are like, I don't know, 6, 4 to 6, 6 range like 275 to like 295. It feels like at a younger age, they're getting more strong, more mature, but also off the field, it feels like they understand business more. We just talked To a guy who committed to a place he said he had been recruited basically since his freshman year. This is also during the NIL era. Whenever you're talking to future players of your team, does it feel like they're a more mature bunch and does it feel like they're able to understand what you're looking for easier? Because it feels like you have to be able to buy into the culture if you really want to transform a place.
- [84:59]
Rich Rodriguez
Yeah, there is. But you know what, Pat? You still, as a coach, you want to find a guy that has all those athletic ability, the size, the speed, the strength, the athleticism, but also a guy that just loves football. Not likes it, but loves it and needs it. And if you find that guy that has all that ability and size and strength and all that, and he really loves football, he loves the work, he loves the hard edge mentality, then you got everything you want in a got. And that's what we're doing. We're trying to get right now. We want those guys and they're out.
- [85:32]
Ty Schmidt
There.
- [85:34]
Rich Rodriguez
And they're going to come. And some of them are going to come to West Virginia.
- [85:37]
Pat McAfee
Yes, they are. And that's what they're going to do. Hey, they're going to win some games, and I think we're going to put a product on a field that resembles the old school days. I don't know if you've kept in touch or kept up with West Virginia football since you leave and obviously have your own coaching journey and what West Virginia kind of went through and the cycles of it all, but it does have a lot of people saying, hey, it feels like the old days. Now, obviously you were coaching in the old days, but from the people that I talked to that went back for the Sugar bowl reunion and even from other sports, basketball players even were like, hey, this feels like the times when West Virginia sports was something that was unique, different than everybody else playing a different style and a different type of edge, hard edge, and everybody, everybody else, but also successful. Does it feel like that right now? And is this what you were envisioning when you chose to come back?
- [86:23]
Rich Rodriguez
Yeah, it did, Pat. You know, we, we knew we're going to have some road bumps. We didn't expect to be playing four quarterbacks and five tailbacks and all that kind of stuff injury wise. But we also knew that we had to make sure we set the culture the first year and we make not, you know, no matter what happens, our culture, our hard edge, our, our work ethic, our toughness, all those kind of Stuff has to be set this year, year. And that's painful sometimes in the process of doing that. But we think we're getting there. We're not all the way there. And it's a hell lot easier to do that when you get the right guys on your roster, which we have some, but we're going to, we're going to, we're going to have a whole lot more too. And you know, this time next year, we expect to be talking about the playoffs and winning championships and all that stuff.
- [87:05]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Me too. Connor has a question for you.
- [87:08]
Connor
Yeah, Coach? How big is it when you land recruits or guys in the transfer portal that are very familiar with the rich rod, hard edge way, do you feel as though that kind of gives you a leg up? And what do you think that says about the hard edge way when people are aware of what it means and they still want to come play for you?
- [87:25]
Rich Rodriguez
Yeah, that, that, that's a good point. You know, you, you know, we think we could train if you want. The culture is established. The only ones you got to teach are the new ones coming in. Right? But still it's, it's. Is it difficult? A little bit more different nowadays. I say compare it to like 20 years ago. You tell a guy, hey, just run through the wall, he'll do it, not ask any questions. Now, they'll still do it, but they want to know what, why? If you don't give them the right answer, they're googling, say, well, that ain't what it says on Google. So the damn, the damn guys are smarter now. But that doesn't mean they can't be. They can't, they're not willing to do it. And I think as a coach, you cannot sacrifice that. Part of that doesn't mean we're like, you know, grinding full pads every day and knocking the crap out each other every minute. But it does mean you have to be mentally and physically tough. And that, to me, I don't think that just serves you well in football, but it serves you well. Well, you know, the next 40, 50 years of life, if ever. If a young guy thinks, I'm not going to face adversity the next 50 years of my life, you're crazy. Or you're smoking a lot more weed than I think, you know what I'm saying?
- [88:19]
Pat McAfee
Well, I don't know if I was smoking more than he thought, you know.
- [88:22]
Rich Rodriguez
So the guy, the guy's got to understand there's going to be adversity and we want our guys to Learn to handle adversity better than anybody in the country. And not just on the field, but off the field.
- [88:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. I think I feel like I am a product of your, your Rich Rodriguez football camp, I would say, as life. And also Mike Barwis. I mean, you and Mike Barwis together. I'm not saying no, because we like Mike Joseph. Mike Joseph is great strength coach. We're not going to talk about it, but you and Mike Bar was together, were something that set me up for the rest of my life for sure. And I think there's a lot of people. Go ahead.
- [88:56]
Rich Rodriguez
Yeah, but you had, you, you had the hardest edge of any specialist I've ever had.
- [89:00]
Pat McAfee
Thank you.
- [89:00]
Rich Rodriguez
And so. But, but I'm as true. And then every guy after that, every specialist after that said, well, you know, if you want to know what kind of hard edge you're supposed to be as a kicker or a punter or specialist, watch Pat McAfee. You know what I mean? And that, that to me is how we built our program, you know, 20 years ago, and that's how we can build it today.
- [89:18]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, they need to make more ticks than me, but God damn it, you throw the body around a little bit if you need to. Let's talk about, though, his dad. Sorry, not his dad, actually. Let's get out of here. Talk about, let's.
- [89:30]
Rich Rodriguez
We'll talk about our former players, about, you know, the thing I feel best about now. This sounds kind of Pollyanna, you know, the ultimate goals of win championships and all that. But if I, if every player that ever played for me or in our program and you ask them 20 years from now, would you do it all over again at the same place with the same people, and they said yes, then we did our job. So I feel really, really proud when I have former players of mine that are. Now I'm so old, they're get. They're either got their kids or somebody they coach or something like that, that, that to recommend a play for us. That to me feels an awful lot of pride in our program.
- [90:03]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And everybody feels welcomed back and wants to go back and wants to talk shit about being a part of what you built there. You need to know that, like that reunion I watched from afar, I wasn't able to be at, obviously because college game day kind of infringes on all these Saturday things. I'm lucky to be a part of it. I'm not saying it's not, but there's been a lot of great things that have happened at West Virginia this year that I haven't been able to make it to. That would have been sweet because of college game day. But on that note, I was following along with everybody that weekend. They're like, everybody's pumped, like, everybody's pump and Scotty Fox. And even though, you know you lose this this past week, just get this much.
- [90:33]
Rich Rodriguez
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right there.
- [90:36]
Pat McAfee
We'll fix that. Yeah, I heard. I heard you. Yep. I heard you're gonna find. I heard you're gonna find maybe some people to help fix that. On that last question here from Ty Schmidt.
- [90:45]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Coach. When it comes to a press conference like that, how. How hard is it to keep your composure and not just jump some guy's ass when you know you there. It's very clear. Hey, there's one point I want to get across here. I know you guys are asking me a bunch of other questions. There's one point I'm trying to get across right here. And did you feel after the fact like. You know what? I'm really proud of myself. That is. That is a. A big, you know, moment of personal growth for me because in years past, I might have just jumped that guy's ass and that guy's ass and that guy. Guy's ass.
- [91:19]
Rich Rodriguez
Yeah. I've matured over the years. Not completely 100%. I still got. He didn't see me 15 minutes before that presser in the locker room. I was not. I wasn't a pleasant person. But I. I've learned to cool down, take my 10 minutes before I talk to the fine media that are asking the fine questions and then go out there. And I didn't have a speed bag on the road to hit where I had my press conference, so I had to take 10 minutes and take it out on a lot.
- [91:45]
Pat McAfee
You, after an answer, taking a drink, breathing. Okay. And then they ask you about. They ask you about Scotty Fox, and you want to continue to just talk about how I am so disgusted that our team cannot get, like, everything that is against the hard edge in Rich Rodriguez's football is being able to get this when the other team knows that you need it. All you want to talk about was that. And then they go, tell us about Scotty Fox. And you watch your brain go, I like Scotty.
- [92:10]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he's a competitor.
- [92:11]
Pat McAfee
This guy's a good player. He's.
- [92:13]
Rich Rodriguez
It starts with big people moving other people against their will. We. And when we get that part fixed, we will no longer have this in the press conference.
- [92:23]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, that's right. I can't wait to watch it seems like today might have been a good day to get rid of that right there.
- [92:27]
Connor
You're the.
- [92:28]
Rich Rodriguez
That's what I hear. I hear great stuff.
- [92:30]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Don't talk about it. Don't talk about it, ladies.
- [92:32]
Ty Schmidt
Don't talk about.
- [92:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, Coach Ross. Yeah, Coach. Oh. Not allowed to say. I we were dancing there close. I was getting real too close me to saying his name and I think it would have kind of carried over there. Let's not ruin the day. But I mean that is a. Yeah. That's a pillar mover, you know.
- [92:48]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [92:48]
Pat McAfee
For us. Legit mass and thank you.
- [92:53]
AJ Hawk
Imagine the effect that. Sorry about. I'm sorry but imagine the effect like the way that watching him finish that the highlight, the highlights that you keep running, watching him finish every single play. Sometimes 3, 4, 5, 6 guys like on the ground that just having one guy like that on your O line has such a trickle down effect and everybody like it's step. It makes everybody play better. If your whole O line is doing that like good luck.
- [93:13]
Pat McAfee
Anybody stopping and look at it listen to his dad talk. I've been heartbroken since sophomore year. He was going to be a mountaineer because what was going on West Virginia was just not what I was looking for. Like he owe Lineman 2 in the past and I got a chance to chat with Kevin over the last 24 hours, you know and kind of learn a little bit about about him. His dad obviously very active in the hey, this is how we're doing his own lineman and he is since a boy like hey, this guy is going to be a people mover. That is what he is. So his mentality is old school offensive lineman as well. And I think his lifestyle is old school offensive lineman mentality. Him coming on the show to do that I. I don't think was like necessarily his thing. I think they were like, hey, would you. And he was like, yeah, I'll do it. I don't want to do the hats and all that. He's like, I don't want. Yesterday he was even asking like what am I supposed to. Should I do like a hat thing? I. I don't. I was like, I think you should do some sort of declaration that you're headed there. Do I need a camera? I don't even. Like he did not like old school UPS still had the whole thing. Yeah. AirPods. What do I. How do I even do it? So it's like this guy might be. Even though he looks like Captain America and Mr. Incredible and all those different things. That are cartoonish characters that you don't think can actually be in real life because they seemingly are too perfect of humans. His jawline is literally a home plate. I mean, it really is. And his hair flows. But in mentality, I think he's like an old school, old school offensive lineman. And geez, if you're Rich Rodriguez, that is the exact thing that you need on this team.
- [94:35]
Connor
Yeah, he's more Paul Bunyan than Captain America, which is kind of exactly what they want in alignment. But how big is it, too? Just having a guy in your recruiting class that can tell the other recruits, like, hey, this is what's on. Going to be like, that kid knows probably more than anybody who's going to be a freshman or even transfer in there that hasn't been part of a rich Rod program like my dad has taught me and has prepared me for what this is. I've heard about it my whole life. That also just radiates throughout the rest of the freshman class. And like, to your point about. He didn't really know what to do. Feels like the only thing he wanted to do was burn that couch. Yeah.
- [95:07]
Pat McAfee
Last night he was like, I got Surprise street at the very end of this. Like, he was, like, teasing this last night. Then I talked to him this morning. He's like, just wait till the very end.
- [95:14]
Darius J. Butler
Can't tell you.
- [95:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I can't tell you. You're not going to see it. And then this is local media.
- [95:19]
Darius J. Butler
Nailed it.
- [95:19]
Pat McAfee
Local media.
- [95:20]
AJ Hawk
Think they put it out yet? You think they put it out now?
- [95:22]
Pat McAfee
Fire. Yeah. That thing's burning to the ground, brother. You let that one go out. You know, you celebrate that thing kind of living its full fire life. You know, you let the final bristles burn out there. I've seen a couple of those, you know, the final flames of a few different couches. I'll tell you, the Morgantown Police Department is not going to be pumped about that. I mean, they've tried to put an end to that pretty quickly. They were offering citation. They were. They were giving citations to people through social media posts. So they. Yeah, they were, like, finding people and pictures of fires on couches this year, earlier this year, and I was getting messages like, hey, you need to do something. It's like, I don't know.
- [95:53]
Ty Schmidt
You want me to do?
- [95:53]
Pat McAfee
I don't know.
- [95:54]
Ty Schmidt
I don't know.
- [95:54]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [95:55]
AJ Hawk
What are you doing?
- [95:55]
Pat McAfee
I'm trying to be the mayor. What do you want me to be the mayor? I will run next year, I guess. I don't know how Long is the terms. I don't know what I can do. But yeah, I guess they thought. I just say Morgan county decided that that was not necessarily the best thing to have. And I would like to speak, I guess from the perspective of the Morgantown Police Department and Morgantown people that voted for that. There were some nights there we were winning a lot. We were winning a lot of things. I mean, we were winning a lot of things.
- [96:19]
Darius J. Butler
Too much.
- [96:20]
Pat McAfee
We had a lot to celebrate. That's a Yukon grad over there who was in the big East. West Virginia was winning all over the place. I mean, big games, big moments, prime time, multiple sports night games. Every all year. We're doing a. All year. And boy, that it wasn't, I don't think the hardest school to get into normally. Good time crowd went to West Virginia from New Jersey. You know, a lot of New Jersey, a lot of east coast in there. West Virginia people are good time people. So a lot of good time people. A lot of opportunity, a lot of very big successful moments. I mean we, we had good times out there. There was a lot of partying and the couches became the thing. What doesn't get talked about with the couches is obviously the couches right in the middle of the street, stacked up like six wide. Okay. Six down, head to toe. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Right down the middle of the street. There's cars next to, you know, some of these things start one, obviously you start, try to start them all, but they will eventually carry into itself what the ripple effect is it that nobody really thinks about that. I saw the first time I was really a part of one. People throwing into fire.
- [97:18]
Ty Schmidt
Sure.
- [97:18]
Pat McAfee
So now you're getting bottles tossed into couch fire. So now, you know, boom, boom, boom from houses. Boom. You know.
- [97:28]
AJ Hawk
So you got fireworks thrown into the fires too sometimes. Throw some fireworks in there.
- [97:32]
Bruce Arians
Not water bottles either.
- [97:33]
Pat McAfee
No, yeah. No, no. We're talking glass.
- [97:36]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [97:37]
Pat McAfee
Obviously they're going. And then what's a broken glass wall? That song plays and then people come running out and then there's more. So I've seen an entire streak is kind of taken out, you know, just like bottles underneath cars. Cars partially burnt, you know, like the rear view mirror. So it, I mean, it does get a bit dangerous, I guess. But if there's one couch in a neighborhood that wants to kind of be celebrated a little bit, I think that's going to probably continue to happen.
- [98:01]
Ty Schmidt
They win 10 games next year, I have a feeling that they're going to be turning some blind eyes to See, they're.
- [98:06]
Bruce Arians
They're going to build a couch park. Yeah, Couch park. Come out and burn all your couches in the park. Throw your bottles in here.
- [98:14]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [98:14]
Bruce Arians
No cars. We're good.
- [98:15]
Pat McAfee
Owen Schmidt, actually, I think, pitched that idea to me the last time that we were back there. We were like, I don't know, maybe a lot of beers. A lot of beers. A lot of whiskeys. I mean, a lot of. A lot of them deep. And I was like, what's going to happen with the whole couch fire thing? Because at that time it was starting to get talked about, about how, like, they're going to maybe arrest people for this entire thing. And I'm like, well, it's kind of a part of the culture. I don't know how you just kind of get rid of that. He goes, we need to make a place that just is kind of built for it and say, hey, either we'll supply the couch. You just go have like around a corner. Like it's a go him. You know, basically like kind of get your own little area where you do it. He's like, this is what needs to happen. Feels like you're thinking the same thing.
- [98:52]
Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah.
- [98:52]
Pat McAfee
It would have to be just, what, a massive parking lot, right? Yeah, yeah.
- [98:57]
AJ Hawk
Nothing around it that could catch fire. That's the main thing. Don't let it get to anything else.
- [99:00]
Pat McAfee
Whatever the case, Kevin Brown, it's gonna be just throwing people on the field as soon as that game's over, I mean. Yep.
- [99:08]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [99:10]
Pat McAfee
Couch, maybe. Yeah, there you go.
- [99:13]
AJ Hawk
Two couches. Two of them both.
- [99:14]
Pat McAfee
Should voters shout out to West Virginia, we're having a good week.
- [99:16]
Connor
Yeah. Let's go.
- [99:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. We up?
- [99:20]
Connor
Yeah.
- [99:21]
Pat McAfee
Basketball recruit.
- [99:23]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, don't remember his name. He's Canadian, though.
- [99:27]
Pat McAfee
Miles.
- [99:27]
Ty Schmidt
Miles.
- [99:31]
Pat McAfee
Miles. Miles Adler at. Miles Adler.
- [99:34]
Ty Schmidt
I don't know.
- [99:35]
Pat McAfee
Sadler, I think.
- [99:36]
Ty Schmidt
Sadler.
- [99:37]
Pat McAfee
Miles Sadler. Miles Sadler.
- [99:39]
Connor
Boom, boom, no boom.
- [99:40]
Pat McAfee
Thank you, Doug. WVU Barstool breaking five star Miles Sanders the other day. Now Kevin Brown, 65285 offensive lineman. What will tomorrow bring? I'm joking. I said that yesterday because I knew this was happening. I don't have anything. Let's move along. Let's get back to some NFL football conversation, shall we? A.J. you know, every week we have a coach who coach football for 47 years, and there's different narratives that are maybe starting to build around the NFL. So we want to ask him if it's BS or no BS with BA what we'll do is we'll read some statements of fact that maybe some fans feel MBA will tell us if it's bs which stands for. Or is it no bs, which is no bullshit. Let's get started, con man.
- [100:23]
Connor
Yeah. BA analytics are in football. And so the statement is some of these nerds stats are ruining football. Particularly the commanders in Lions this past weekend.
- [100:34]
Bruce Arians
No, boy, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, come on. These, this go for it. On 4th and 1 with a minute 20 left, you kick the field goal and go ahead and win the game. Trust your defense, you know, tie ball game. Now I see it in the first quarter, you know, but not at the end of the game. And then, you know the Lions, they were over six.
- [100:56]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [100:56]
Bruce Arians
And this one I know there's a lot of wind. It didn't affect Jake Elliott and it didn't fake. Fake at the end. He kicked a bomb down there. No problem. Those and big games. Three points are huge.
- [101:07]
Pat McAfee
And we're not saying that all these stats. No, no.
- [101:09]
Bruce Arians
Just in big games, this going for it on fourth down has gotten out of hand. Kick the damn field goals and put points on the board.
- [101:16]
Pat McAfee
There's no context to these stats. This is a big game. KG affair. Points are at a premium right now. Let's go ahead and take that. The book can't tell you how the whole rest of the game has been going. That your eyes and your body has felt right is what you're saying. Yeah.
- [101:28]
Bruce Arians
And I was just on that committee and we were in interviewed 20 head coaches in college and one guy actually had the book. And it's like. You have the book and. Yeah, I don't use it, but if I need it, I know what it says. But this game is about heart and feel. And that is what this game is about.
- [101:47]
Pat McAfee
Hold on, hold on, hold on. So you're interviewing these guys, 20 guys, and you go, you know, there's some book that says you should make game time decisions.
- [101:53]
Bruce Arians
First thing I ask him.
- [101:54]
Pat McAfee
And this guy goes, I actually have the book. And in your mind you said not hiring this guy. And then you had to have a fake conversation with him.
- [102:00]
Bruce Arians
No, I had a good, good. And I will hire this guy because he doesn't follow it. He just knows what it says. He said, that book doesn't know if my right guard can block that damn three technique.
- [102:09]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so he understand, he understands football. Yeah, yeah.
- [102:12]
Bruce Arians
Not the, the mathematicians don't understand football.
- [102:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [102:15]
Bruce Arians
They just know numbers.
- [102:16]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. 80% of the time this happens. Well, what about that 20%? And what if that's tonight in a game that very much matters for our livelihoods? Yeah.
- [102:23]
Bruce Arians
I mean, for me, it. It's gotten to completely out of hand and it's a tough total excuse. Well, the book told me to go for it.
- [102:31]
Pat McAfee
No accountability.
- [102:32]
Bruce Arians
Exactly. Book gone.
- [102:35]
Connor
Blame the book.
- [102:36]
Darius J. Butler
It's the analytics, like Bible.
- [102:37]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Who had it? Will you tell us who wrote that?
- [102:40]
AJ Hawk
Who wrote that?
- [102:41]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, who wrote the book? We know who wrote the book.
- [102:43]
Connor
Ernie Adams.
- [102:44]
Bruce Arians
Oh, yeah.
- [102:45]
Ty Schmidt
It's in the book.
- [102:46]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah, you're right.
- [102:47]
Pat McAfee
I don't think it's Billy Walters. Gambling.
- [102:49]
Darius J. Butler
It's not Seth. The guy we just. He was on the Internet with like, like, who follows? Forgot his last Walter.
- [102:56]
Ty Schmidt
Seth Walder.
- [102:57]
Darius J. Butler
Boom. He wrote it.
- [102:58]
Pat McAfee
Oh, or Lord Sharp.
- [103:01]
Darius J. Butler
He might have wrote it.
- [103:01]
Pat McAfee
He has.
- [103:02]
Ty Schmidt
He does have a big book.
- [103:04]
Pat McAfee
He might have, like the New Testament of this one.
- [103:06]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [103:07]
Pat McAfee
I don't know if it's the Old Testament of this one. Who else writes? Yeah, who else writes? The Diggs write one of them. Did you write the book on ball? No.
- [103:20]
Darius J. Butler
One time.
- [103:21]
Pat McAfee
So, okay, who wrote the book?
- [103:24]
Bruce Arians
That's a million dollar question.
- [103:26]
Pat McAfee
Everybody has it, everybody's got it.
- [103:28]
Bruce Arians
Nobody knew who the fuck wrote it. It wasn't Shula, it wasn't Lamar for sure.
- [103:34]
Darius J. Butler
Did you have an analytics, I guess, department that had that can get your ear during a game towards the end?
- [103:41]
Bruce Arians
I refuse to.
- [103:42]
Darius J. Butler
Okay.
- [103:44]
Bruce Arians
A lot of people do. And it's the hottest thing going. And I would probably, if I was back in coaching, I would say yes. Shut the fuck up.
- [103:54]
Darius J. Butler
Thank you for your input. Shut the fuck up. Okay.
- [104:02]
Pat McAfee
This is a new profession for people. Each team has one of these people that are basically in the air 64% of the time on this particular down against this particular front. You're able to pick it up with a run versus pass 68% of the time. You should say, you should go for this instead of a punt or a kick field goal. Cause it's how it worked out. Somebody's doing that, you know, and not necessarily always that voice. That's unfair of me to do that voice. But that information is getting delivered to somebody. That's a whole new job. There's a whole new department. There's stats departments now, let alone stats coordinators who are messaging in information throughout days. And I love that you're like, yeah, don't need to hear it. We're not hiring any of them. Okay, can our team run the ball to the right? That's what I thought. We need a play. We're running it to the right.
- [104:43]
Bruce Arians
That'll run behind Joe to Thomas.
- [104:45]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, exactly.
- [104:46]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, I'll make It behind Joe Thomas. Yeah, but, like, if you look at two or three of the most dysfunctional organizations in the league right now, analytics.
- [104:54]
Pat McAfee
Okay, he just sat back, too. Did you hear that? Yeah.
- [104:57]
Ty Schmidt
Oh, yeah, he did. The whole.
- [104:59]
Pat McAfee
Excuse me. Just. There's a moment of silence here immediately for your brain to shatter. As I just said, everything that you guys have been pitching is wrong. Old school football still back on top. More in all analytics. Not necessarily great. Better analytics good, though. Yeah, like, having analytics is good. I think part of the puzzle.
- [105:17]
AJ Hawk
It's all part of it. Yeah, I think it's all part of it. Like Coach BA says, like, yeah, you got to trust your instincts and your feel and you got to know matchups, too. Like, where. Where do we have, like, an advantage when it comes to matchups?
- [105:26]
Darius J. Butler
I don't.
- [105:27]
AJ Hawk
I don't know analytics and all the book well enough to know if it can take any of that into account.
- [105:31]
Pat McAfee
You didn't write it.
- [105:32]
AJ Hawk
I didn't. And we don't know it's. What is it? Bitcoin? We don't know who started it. We don't know who wrote the code.
- [105:37]
Connor
I don't know.
- [105:37]
Darius J. Butler
Now get some answers.
- [105:38]
Pat McAfee
There's likely some answers out there, maybe. And I don't know if I'm on the right side of history or not still at this moment with all the information coming out on that stuff, you know, because I. Oh, I'm in the right side.
- [105:49]
Connor
Yeah, you're on the right side for sure.
- [105:50]
Pat McAfee
Okay. What they're saying. Okay, see, I'm holding you never. Let's move along. We don't need to talk about that. But the book is certainly a weapon if it's utilized that way as opposed to being like a way of life. The book is. Because to your point, I never liked. Whenever it was just kind of blamed on numbers, you know, so whenever they put it up on the screen, it always says, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. It feels like it's always an excuse for the team to go for it, which I think is better for TV and everything like that. But, man, if you look in the eyes of your offensive line and those boys feel defeated, I think the stats are going to be a little bit different that particular evening on that particular fourth quarter than maybe in years past.
- [106:31]
Darius J. Butler
Are you strictly by the book on the blackjack table? You play more like Bill.
- [106:34]
Pat McAfee
I'm a field guy, but I'm a book guy as well. I am book. I'm a book culture guy.
- [106:39]
Darius J. Butler
So 16. If you hit it from the beginning, you do that the rest of the.
- [106:42]
Pat McAfee
Day I'm hitting on 16. Yes. Because my hand doesn't even qualify. So I need to qualify to at least play.
- [106:47]
AJ Hawk
It's different than football analytics when it comes to the book and blackjack.
- [106:49]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I will hit on 16. Now, granted, I'm splitting. I'm splitting and putting more money on the table if they have a bus card. Some people around me do not get happy about that. But if I have the opportunity to split and. Or double down, get more money on the table when they have three. Nah, maybe three. Three is kind of a dancer with me. But if they got four, five, or six out on showing, I'm trying to get as much shit on the table as possible. Not everybody loves that. I don't think that's necessarily by the book. Okay, like maybe a six, you should do that. Not a four for me. I see four out there and I have an opportunity to split and then I get a chance to double down. Oh, yeah. Oh, let's do this thing. And then that pisses some people off. I do believe in the blackjack book from my understanding.
- [107:27]
Connor
Also kind of what kind of separates the great coaches from the good ones, too. The ones that used. Use analytics when it is needed. Like, and when they ignore it and decide, like, no, now's my time where I can, you know, the dagger play with the. With the Eagles in the super bowl, you could argue where they're. It's like, hey, you're midfield. Do you want. You're already up big. Do you just run out the clock, kind of continue to chew this thing out? Or do you take that dagger shot and go up by four touchdowns instead of, you know, three in a field goal?
- [107:53]
Pat McAfee
And that's football. That's football. Understanding football. So you're saying that there's some of these nerds stats are ruining football. That's no BS let's go to the next BS or no BS Would be a tie.
- [108:03]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, Coach, there's a thought that outside of the NFC east, the NFC stands for no fudging clue on who's going to win. Is that BS or no bsba?
- [108:15]
Bruce Arians
That's no bs, man. I mean, you look at those three divisions, they are December football is going.
- [108:21]
Pat McAfee
To be great this year.
- [108:22]
Bruce Arians
That's one part of NFL scheduling I really like. Like, now I don't like playing a team two, two times in three weeks like the. The Bucks and the Panthers are going to have to do. But all those teams play each other in December. December football is going to be outstanding. That's when it's supposed to be decided. And the entire NFC other than the Eagles, probably. And it's going to be really fun to see who makes that wild card, that last wild card, because these. There's some really good teams not going to make it this year.
- [108:46]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Here's the road to the playoffs for each one of the teams that currently lead their divisions. Obviously the Eagles in the east is who BA Is talking about. Not really having a fudging question about whether or not they're going to win the division. Every other division in the NFC is potentially up for grabs. Everybody has a lot of wins. Everybody is kind of in the same exact plane. And a couple wins one week, couple losses the other week, you can completely have a full shift from 4 to 1 in the NFC side. So that means that wild card is going to be. What do you think? What number you think is the wild card right now with where everybody's sitting? You put the records back. Back up for the teams in the nfc. Yeah, here we go. So nfc, look at that. Seven, six, six, four in the north. Six, six, three and two. You could kind of rule out the Saints out of this entire thing. Probably the falcons as well. 8, 7, 7 over there in the west and then 8, 4, 3, 2. I guess the east is over. How many wins you think make the wild card?
- [109:39]
Bruce Arians
You're going to have to have 10. You're going to have to have 10. I mean, there's been 11 and 16 not make it. And this could be a year for that too. And a tiebreaker, you know, the tiebreaker.
- [109:48]
Pat McAfee
Is going to be huge.
- [109:49]
Bruce Arians
All this fantasy stuff. It's going to be fun going down December, watching it this year.
- [109:53]
Pat McAfee
Here's the current NFC playoff situation with the Lions and Panthers lurking. Congrats to the Panthers.
- [110:00]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [110:01]
Pat McAfee
Being in that conversation, I'm a shout.
- [110:03]
Bruce Arians
Out to Harold Goodwin, man, their run game coordinator. Good. He's got it going, man.
- [110:06]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah. Goodies obviously got him rolling. And Bryce Young just broke a franchise record. Eagles, Rams, Bears, Bucks, Seahawks, packers and Niners round out the top seven in the NFC right now. That could all change, except for probably up at 1 and 2 if we had to guess, because obviously the other divisions can be up for grabs. Let's go to the third, BS or no BS with BA let's do it.
- [110:27]
Darius J. Butler
The most disappointing teams in the NFL this season are the Falcons, Bengals, Cardinals, Commanders, Dolphins and Raiders. That BS or no bsba, that's total BS What?
- [110:39]
Bruce Arians
The most disappointing team in the league is the Kansas City Chiefs.
- [110:42]
Pat McAfee
Whoa.
- [110:44]
Bruce Arians
We went from winning 12, 0 and 1 score games to 0 and 6 and 1 score games.
- [110:48]
Pat McAfee
How does that happen in one year.
- [110:50]
Bruce Arians
With the same players, same coaching staff? I kept saying Chiefs are going to pull it out. Chiefs are going to pull it out. And they keep losing these closed games and they got their guys back now, so they're fully healthy. Something's missing and, and I don't know what it is because I love Andy Reid, I love Spags. I think they all great coaches. But you know that throw by Patrick Mahomes, that didn't happen.
- [111:13]
Pat McAfee
Never.
- [111:14]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, that never happened. And something, something's missing with this team and I don't know what it is, but they're disappointing to me.
- [111:21]
Pat McAfee
Most disappointing. I think we all are not expecting this Chiefs team to be the way that they currently are. Sportsbooks are still scared to death that they're going to go on a run. I think everybody is because they just like you just stated, they're always going to turn on. They're going to turn on. Patrick Mahomes has been taking a lot of hits this year. A lot of hits. He's been running the ball a lot. He's been getting shot. I think some of his passes may be different than what they have been in the past. Is Patrick Mahomes a little bit different than maybe he was? Is the offense a little bit different? Maybe they find their groove. Maybe this is just a down year for the Chiefs in the middle of their dynasty and they're going to have to ask some hard questions at the end of the season. Oh no.
- [111:53]
Ty Schmidt
Well, we'll also see because we said like the. I don't know if you would say it's a must win, but it kind of is. Like this Sunday against the Colts is kind of a must win game for some them and then they have a short week turnaround. They play the Cowboys on Thanksgiving and that'll be kind of the big like if they go out there and beat the hell out of the Cowboys on Thanksgiving with 50 million, you know, 70 million people watching it. I think that following Monday people will be like, oh wow, wait a minute.
- [112:17]
Pat McAfee
Are all the way back because we're just looking for something.
- [112:20]
Ty Schmidt
Exactly.
- [112:21]
Pat McAfee
As a Chiefs fan, all I'm doing is looking for something in there that resembles the Chiefs and then you watch them kind of play against Broncos and.
- [112:28]
Connor
It'S like, I'm worried about this good kick by Bucker.
- [112:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [112:33]
Connor
But aside from that.
- [112:34]
AJ Hawk
Well, I already can't point to one thing that like, you can't point to like one Glaring weakness that's going on. It just looks weird. It looks discombobulated look.
- [112:43]
Pat McAfee
And I'm disappointed as well. And then we added a last one just to kind of test your integrity here. BS or no bsba, James Franklin will have the Hokies of Virginia Tech in the ACC championship game. And three.
- [112:55]
Bruce Arians
That's no BS for sure, brother. He can have him going.
- [112:57]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [112:58]
Bruce Arians
And he should have hired him last week. And we could maybe talk him to a different couch burner over there.
- [113:05]
Pat McAfee
No, no, no. He was going. He had those country roads taking them home. He had popped.
- [113:11]
Bruce Arians
And that was. That's a great one for him. I love when sons father their fathers.
- [113:15]
Pat McAfee
But on that note, James Franklin had him to Penn State. And then whenever Penn State leaves James, he's like, all right, James Franklin got him out of his West Virginia family. And that's how good of a coach he is. I think that's how much people respect. Respect him. And I think it's perfect hire for Virginia Tech, honestly.
- [113:28]
Bruce Arians
Awesome. Yeah, he's a great job. He'll do a hell of a job recruiting. And, you know, his record speaks for itself.
- [113:35]
Pat McAfee
All right, on the way out here on ESPN, we have two BA game bowls. Let's start with the NFC. Bryce Young. 31 and 45, 4, 48, 3 touchdowns and 30. 27 OT win over Atlanta. A lot of questions, obviously, around Atlanta. Quarterback gets hurt, wide receiver gets hurt. Carolina Panthers are now lurking. Congrats to them and to Bryce young and the AFC B A game ball is Jaquan McMillan.
- [113:57]
Darius J. Butler
Wow.
- [113:58]
Connor
Yeah.
- [113:59]
Pat McAfee
Six tackles, two sacks, one interception. I love that you're giving it to a defensive guy.
- [114:03]
Bruce Arians
It was hard not to give it to Josh Allen because what he did, but that was an unbelievable performance in the biggest game of the week.
- [114:09]
Pat McAfee
I thought three touchdowns on the ground, three through the sky. Who's Josh Allen? Get him out of here.
- [114:14]
Ty Schmidt
First.
- [114:14]
Darius J. Butler
First Bronco to ever put that stat line up.
- [114:16]
Bruce Arians
Yep.
- [114:17]
Pat McAfee
Warrington. Congrats to him.
- [114:18]
Ty Schmidt
First game of his career.
- [114:19]
Pat McAfee
Shout out to uba. We continue. He's been around. We continue digitally. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. Really nailed that one. Even had that on the end and we lost Hawker, I guess.
- [114:32]
Connor
Yeah, I saw that happen.
- [114:34]
Pat McAfee
Dropped off. All right, let's go to a break. And then on the other side, we're going to go through all the story lines that we haven't covered. And then we're going to launch on the greatest Tuesday evening of all time.
- [114:43]
Bruce Arians
Hell, yeah.
- [114:44]
Ty Schmidt
Because tonight we get to watch Southeastern Missouri vs. Iowa. College basketball is a big game.
- [114:51]
Pat McAfee
Michigan State vs. Kentucky. College basketball right before the playoff bracket thing comes out.
- [114:56]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Duke, Kansas. After that.
- [114:57]
Connor
Got a hell of a new TV show on Apple TV I'm gonna need you to check out. Let's forget about all this.
- [115:04]
Darius J. Butler
We got LeBron coming back tonight.
- [115:05]
Pat McAfee
The Bobcats playing against Utah.
- [115:07]
AP Tone
Yeah, Bobcats play on action tonight, too.
- [115:10]
Pat McAfee
Oh, that's the football team.
- [115:11]
Connor
There it is.
- [115:12]
Darius J. Butler
Tia.
- [115:12]
Pat McAfee
That what we're watching. Lights, camera, action. That's what we're probably gonna watch.
- [115:19]
Darius J. Butler
Ron Brunswick, Braun Luca, AR15.
- [115:21]
Pat McAfee
What's been going on? It's been sciatica.
- [115:23]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [115:24]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah. But he's back.
- [115:25]
Pat McAfee
He said as long as maybe weren't all the way back to where they need to be. And JJ and the boys said, take your time, Take your time. We're gonna build this entire thing up. Are they gonna have to change their style of play with LeBron coming back?
- [115:35]
Darius J. Butler
Absolutely.
- [115:36]
Pat McAfee
Aren't they playing really good?
- [115:37]
Darius J. Butler
They're playing.
- [115:37]
Lane Kiffin
All right.
- [115:39]
Pat McAfee
Not championship basketball yet.
- [115:40]
Darius J. Butler
Exactly.
- [115:42]
Pat McAfee
What is your expectation of LeBron if he was to come back this evening? Because he's questionable. He's still questionable. He's not like it's upgraded to questionable is how Shams worded it, though.
- [115:51]
Darius J. Butler
Okay.
- [115:52]
Pat McAfee
An Interesting.
- [115:53]
Darius J. Butler
If LeBron's on the court, I expect him to be. LeBron We've been seeing for the last couple decades.
- [115:57]
Ty Schmidt
How many minutes are we thinking?
- [115:59]
Darius J. Butler
Oh, I would say between 20, 25.
- [116:02]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so he's back. Back. And is he the defensive side as well? Are we kind of giving it up maybe on decent so we can have a little bit more on the offense?
- [116:09]
Darius J. Butler
He's an old.
- [116:09]
Lane Kiffin
He's.
- [116:09]
Darius J. Butler
He's an old guy, so, you know.
- [116:12]
Pat McAfee
We'Re not smacking the backboard.
- [116:13]
Bruce Arians
Oh, needs a little help on defense.
- [116:15]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. Hey, we're gonna put me out of here in a way. Coming, coming.
- [116:22]
Darius J. Butler
So they got eight and four down the back end.
- [116:25]
Connor
Oh, yeah, he's great.
- [116:26]
Pat McAfee
Trade him. He's got a couple great moments. I've seen interviews postgame of him. They don't do those unless play good, right?
- [116:34]
Connor
Yeah. Well, when, you know, when Luka Doncic has the ball for 40 minutes of the game, everyone's going to eat.
- [116:41]
Pat McAfee
So what's going to happen, Ron? Is there enough basketballs on the court?
- [116:45]
Connor
The time will tell.
- [116:46]
Ty Schmidt
They're actually going to play with two tonight.
- [116:47]
Pat McAfee
Two basketballs. Yeah, that's what we lead with.
- [116:50]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, you're right. I remember what I was thinking all the way.
- [116:53]
Pat McAfee
All right, so that's tonight. Yeah. Okay. Two balls, one NBA game tonight. Yes. Thank you sports. That's amazing.
- [117:03]
Connor
Ryan Smith just innovating.
- [117:06]
Pat McAfee
That is constantly. All right, listen, I know you guys got LeBron and Luke. You're trying to figure it out. We still would like him to play. So if we can somehow figure out. Well maybe if you get another fucking basketball deal, we'll agree to it. Do you guys agree to it?
- [117:17]
Connor
Genius.
- [117:17]
Pat McAfee
Two balls. How about this? Four hoops.
- [117:20]
Ty Schmidt
That's a great idea. Idea.
- [117:23]
Pat McAfee
Stacked on top of each other like MTV back in the day.
- [117:25]
Ty Schmidt
Yep.
- [117:26]
Pat McAfee
Do you remember that?
- [117:26]
Ty Schmidt
Oh yeah.
- [117:27]
Pat McAfee
What was that basketball game? This is our. Our age. A.J. you're back. You got dropped off. Your service was lost. Do you remember what that NBA, the basketball mtv the papa shot where there's.
- [117:39]
AJ Hawk
Two hoops like people.
- [117:41]
Pat McAfee
It had like a hoop at like 20ft. Rock and jock.
- [117:43]
Ty Schmidt
Yes.
- [117:44]
Darius J. Butler
Oh yeah. That's what it was.
- [117:45]
Pat McAfee
Do you remember that?
- [117:46]
AJ Hawk
That was sweet. That was. Was good.
- [117:48]
Pat McAfee
They had a run that and one I think just kind of took over. See you.
- [117:52]
Bruce Arians
Great run.
- [117:53]
Pat McAfee
I'm go watch Hot Sizzle. No holding.
- [117:56]
Darius J. Butler
Wait, it's two. It's NBC tonight, right.
- [117:59]
Ty Schmidt
I never know what nights I'm.
- [118:01]
Darius J. Butler
So we get MJ going to sit.
- [118:03]
Pat McAfee
Down with Tara, the new one.
- [118:05]
Ty Schmidt
Can't wait.
- [118:07]
Pat McAfee
What?
- [118:08]
Ty Schmidt
That's been the. The biggest miss of all time so far. A lot of weakness weeks left. But boy. You want to talk about over promising and under.
- [118:18]
Pat McAfee
No, I think we just misunderstood. Remember we've already talked about this.
- [118:22]
Ty Schmidt
We certainly did.
- [118:22]
Pat McAfee
Because we. We question how we as adult humans with brains. Okay. In the world that we're in. Ever thought that Michael Jordan was going to be sitting at one of these desks for a pregame halftime in post game.
- [118:37]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [118:37]
Pat McAfee
That was on us for those expectations.
- [118:39]
Ty Schmidt
Without a doubt.
- [118:39]
Pat McAfee
Did they ever say that? I think we just can't of jump.
- [118:42]
AJ Hawk
To the conclusion like special contributor.
- [118:43]
Connor
I think that's.
- [118:44]
AJ Hawk
They didn't really get in detail.
- [118:45]
Pat McAfee
I think we caught. We thought because Wayo did it we were like MJ will do it cuz Wayo does it like every hockey game.
- [118:52]
Connor
Yeah. And we should have connected the dots. Like when Wayne Gretzky was playing in the NHL they were playing for 10 tunies a game instead of actually getting paid money. So he needs to be there. Unfortunately I will say really cool part.
- [119:04]
Pat McAfee
About I don't think Wayo needs to be anywhere just as we go forward.
- [119:08]
Connor
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
- [119:09]
Pat McAfee
Think about the amount of skates and tape.
- [119:11]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [119:11]
Pat McAfee
Sticks.
- [119:12]
Connor
None of them with his name on it. That's probably why I'm doing it.
- [119:14]
Pat McAfee
But well, he, he's smart. He licenses it out.
- [119:17]
Connor
Yeah, true. And also, you know, he's father in law's Dustin Johnson. He can hang out with him at any time. Austin Rivers actually has a sweet little like sit down segment type thing. I believe he did it with Giannis. And granted his papa is the head coach of the Bucks, but he did one with Giannis and it was like hearing Giannis talk about like, hey, you don't see guys doing what I'm doing out there. Like candidly about that. That seems to be kind of the hidden gem of this whole Austin's a talent.
- [119:47]
Pat McAfee
We've known. Austin's a talent. Austin talks a little shit, doesn't he?
- [119:55]
Connor
Yeah.
- [119:55]
Darius J. Butler
Great story from KG and maybe Tony Allen about Austin Rivers as a high schooler. Talking, mixing it up with like those cells. Like one great story. I can't ever tell a story like kg. So if we ever find a clip.
- [120:10]
Pat McAfee
We will direct you to that.
- [120:11]
Darius J. Butler
Absolutely. Go find it, please.
- [120:13]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. KG weapon too. Yeah, he's awesome.
- [120:16]
AJ Hawk
He's amazing.
- [120:18]
Connor
His doc, the first hour, I mean, I think it's two, two total hours. But the first hour, a lot of it is about him. More so being the kid from high school school trying to prove it to, you know, the NBA dudes. And it is unbelievable.
- [120:32]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, he's. Yeah. There's some special personalities that have come through sports who are also goats. Yeah. We thought we were going to learn.
- [120:39]
Ty Schmidt
About Michael Jordan's I'll watch tonight. I'll give it another shot. I'll give it another opportunity.
- [120:43]
Pat McAfee
Did you say, what did you say this morning when you woke up to.
- [120:46]
Ty Schmidt
Say good morning first?
- [120:47]
Pat McAfee
First?
- [120:47]
Ty Schmidt
Right away. Right when I woke up. Boom.
- [120:50]
Pat McAfee
Good morning to who? Just yourself.
- [120:51]
Ty Schmidt
Everybody. Everybody. Hope you have a great morning. And I put the little sun smiling too. Just kind of, you know, try to brighten the day.
- [120:58]
Pat McAfee
There's no sun outside here.
- [120:59]
Ty Schmidt
There's not, but it was very dark when I woke up. So I thought, hey, maybe the sun will come out.
- [121:04]
Pat McAfee
That's very kind of you to say good morning to people. Are you a good morning guy?
- [121:09]
Bruce Arians
The sun is always shining.
- [121:10]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, he is.
- [121:11]
Pat McAfee
Even in the rain.
- [121:12]
AJ Hawk
So. Yes.
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Bruce Arians
Especially if you got the red cocktail in your hand.
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Pat McAfee
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Ty Schmidt
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Pat McAfee
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Ty Schmidt
A little self care beforehand.
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Bruce Arians
Okay?
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Ty Schmidt
Grooming, the hair, everything.
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Pat McAfee
You guys see it, you don't wake up like this. You don't wake up like that. You, you gotta do. You gotta get the stubble going. You gotta get rid of that awful mustache I had last spring. Listen, I tried.
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I thought the mustache over the, over.
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Ty Schmidt
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Ty Schmidt
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Pat McAfee
At your DSW store or DSW.com football and that's AJ Hawk. The cadence was from 47 year football coach super bowl champion Bruce Arians. The toxic table is here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. And nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here live from Hammer Dun Dun is AP Tone. And ladies and gentlemen, we have a tweet. Cam Scatterboo is addressing his appearance on Monday night Raw last night where he, Andrew Schultz and other members of the New York Giants got into it a little bit with the sleaze bags of the judgment day. Now listen, it was during an interview with Jackie Redmond where you know, real temper started to flare as dirty Dom, okay? Rey Mysterio's boy who has grown into quite a dirt bag of an individual. This guy, you know, he'll lie. She'd steal his way through anything and he'll start stuff with anybody. And behind him, Finn Balor. This guy has never touched a carb. He's got 2% body fat, he's an ass kicker out of Ireland. And Andrew Schultz obviously gets disrespected and pushed. Cam Scatter boo says, excuse me, JD McDonough who we thought maybe had a big his head with Cam Scatterboo's head kind of on opposite sides here. This is something of colossal proportions that he's never really thought could come to fruition. Scatterboo's dome on one side, McDonough's on the other side. Holy hell. You're talking about granite and marble staring at each other down in Scatterboo on the mend. On the mend. Shoves his ass down, says, don't you be disrespecting New York like that. Gets pushed back, obviously maintains his balance as Abdul Carter and the rest of the New York Giants get involved in this stupid judgment day. Gets their asses kicked out of the arena. Now, John Cena will go on take on this slimy judgment day in his last appearance in Madison Square Garden. But there's a lot of people going after Cam Scatter Boo for doing that. That are New York Giants fans saying, hey, what? Enough of the.
- [124:50]
Ty Schmidt
Enough the physical hits.
- [124:51]
Pat McAfee
Wwe, we don't need that right now, all right? We don't need to see you doing that right now. Okay? We can't see you on football field doing that. We don't need to be seeing you. Go. My great show. If it's in your town, you should go check it out. But we don't need you. We don't need that happening. He's saying, hey, honestly, if you don't like that I'm having a good time while dealing with a tough time, then just go ahead and unfollow me and casually move on. I'm not able to play football and have the fun I've been having my whole life, so I'm doing things outside the box, trying to find stuff to keep me happy. Enjoy the rest of yalls week and just don't talk about me if you ain't got nothing nice to say. Hell yeah.
- [125:22]
Bruce Arians
Scad Boo got a boy.
- [125:25]
Connor
All right.
- [125:26]
Pat McAfee
Do your thing now. I was taken back. When I saw him get pushed, I.
- [125:31]
Ty Schmidt
Was like, yeah, certainly.
- [125:32]
Darius J. Butler
I mean, coming from someone who was just there at probably those same seats to watch you do your thing in Vegas. Ty coming. We were all there, just there. He didn't know this was going to happen.
- [125:44]
Ty Schmidt
No, no.
- [125:44]
Darius J. Butler
He was there enjoying the show in New York and then sometimes just run to a little physicality.
- [125:49]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And sometimes you got to stick up for the city.
- [125:50]
Darius J. Butler
Always.
- [125:51]
Pat McAfee
Especially for a city that has done so much for him already. I mean, he was becoming a hero in this town. Hopes to go on to continue to become a hero in this town. And if you're going to run your mouth and disrespect us, how about this? Eat fist. Because Scatter Boo is going to do till the end. That's why you love him.
- [126:05]
Darius J. Butler
Yeah.
- [126:06]
Pat McAfee
Can't be the reason why you get mad at him, what he's saying.
- [126:08]
Connor
And that's the thing, too, for Scottaboo. Like, in his business, you know, you get hurt, you're supposed to just kind of go back, kind of relax. In this business, you really kind of have to stand up for yourself here. I mean, someone's talking shit to one of your guys. So kind of, kind of the combination of businesses like Cam Cam, Scatter Boost.
- [126:27]
Pat McAfee
And you got to stand on all of them.
- [126:28]
Connor
Exactly. You got to stand on your business. So Scat's probably thinking, like, in my business, I kind of have to defend my guy, because that's my business. But in this business, if I don't defend myself, then all of a sudden I got a guy, J.D. mcDonough, who thinks that he's got a bigger head in his business than I have in my business business. And it's like, hey, in these businesses, both these heads have to come to a halt at some point.
- [126:51]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And once again, at the end of the day, both sides say they stood on business.
- [126:57]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [126:57]
Pat McAfee
And that's kind of. That's kind of the whole thing. That's. That's all that needs to be said. Let's get a Giant super fan, Bruce Brown. Bruce Brown. Scatter Boo. Saying, hey, listen, tough time for me right now, not able to play ball. I'm trying to get better. I'm rehabbing, and then I'm trying to figure out how not to just be miserable. Why don't we get off my back a little bit? Giants fans were attacking. Is that what you were hearing and seeing? Yeah. Giants fans, the kind of talking heads on the local sports talk radio are.
- [127:21]
AJ Hawk
Saying, hey, look, he's going to re.
- [127:22]
Pat McAfee
Injure his ankle in this physicality. It's like, hey, all right, you marks, calm down. He's going to be okay. It's in a boot.
- [127:29]
AJ Hawk
But yeah, honestly, last night I was.
- [127:31]
Pat McAfee
Like, hey, can we just maybe focus.
- [127:32]
AJ Hawk
On winning a ball game?
- [127:34]
Pat McAfee
Abdul Carter reports he slept through a walk through. He's there right next to Scaboo. He's not injured. You know, I, I think, you know, maybe. Maybe he could, he could focus up a little bit. But he did say he, he wasn't, he wasn't sleeping. He was just in recovery. But yeah, last night my thoughts were, hey, maybe we're jumping the shark a little bit here. We've been losing for. For almost a. A complete decade now, but this sweet one won me back over. He is injured. He's going through a tough time, and I do appreciate that he's just out enjoying his life. At the UFC event, he let out an awesome Ric Flair Woo. Mid match that I. That I really enjoyed. So, yeah, I'm glad he's kind of going through. Going through the Twitch car wash, enjoying his life of New York. Yeah, I guess you. I guess you could say this is kind of the. The New York car wash, kind of the Jalen Brunson slot at msg. Aaron Rodgers, whenever he became a jet, look for Scatter Boo to potentially go check out Wicked. Is that available on Broadway?
- [128:31]
Ty Schmidt
Go see the Rockettes here soon.
- [128:33]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, potentially.
- [128:34]
Ty Schmidt
Jersey Boys.
- [128:34]
Pat McAfee
Maybe he's putting that boot. Maybe he's moving that boot.
- [128:39]
Connor
Get him on stage.
- [128:40]
Ty Schmidt
Bad idea.
- [128:40]
Pat McAfee
Maybe that's the first time we see, you know, like, Tatum and Tyrese during their recovery here. Now, Tyrese has been trying to keep his mind occupied. Basically, anything that was happening in Indianapolis, he was trying to go to and just kind of stay because he's just confined to his house if he's not doing that. So he was trying to go to events while doing rehab. And obviously, whenever you're very public that people are going to need to see progress, progression in your recovery, so every milestone marker that he puts up there is a big deal. So whenever he showcased himself dunking just a couple weeks after Tatum was dunking, obviously that's letting the fans know that you're getting healthier. It feels like the Giants fans didn't view this fight with Dom in the last night. It's like, hey, this is good in recovery. I'm at the point where I can just go ahead and shove somebody here. It feels like it was viewed the opposite way. It's like, hey, you are nowhere near the point of your recovery where you need to be mixing it up with Judgment, Judgment Day and Scatter Boo. As long as you're back playing football, man, none of this matters. And however you got to get through it, you get through it, brother. We'll pull one for you because you make football better whenever you're running your ass through the entire other team. But, like, the way Tyrese is doing it versus the way Tatum's doing it, vastly different. It's like, however you can get through this, because recovery is not fun, aj, Nobody really talks about that. Rehab is terrible. It's hard.
- [129:49]
AJ Hawk
It's hard to. It's hard to enjoy anything when you're. Especially during. When the season is going on and you're hurt. Like, I think it's it's tough to let yourself enjoy anything. So good for Scatterbill.
- [129:58]
Pat McAfee
Honestly, you feel isolated at times. So I like that his teammates were with him last night. He's still hanging out with the boys, you know, because that can be a pretty isolated type situation that you feel like. So I think that's actually good for the culture. Not bad for the culture. But then also, like in rehab, it's not. It's painful the whole time. So, like, you're going into a building and it's painful. You're trying to relearn how to do the most basic things with your body that you've done for your entire life. And, oh, yeah, there's scar tissue that's on there, so they're gonna have to strip that away, actually, so it's not painful for the rest of your life. And to do that, they're just gonna have a metal rod that they're just going to rub up and down your scars. And it's like that is signing up for torture. Like, you're actually getting tortured while doing that. And it's like, yeah, that's just a part of the whole process. Oh, yeah. Also got to do these wall sits when your leg can't do it. And then it's potentially going to go out and then they got these bands you're going to do, and then you're going to have to crunch your toes up just to move like a piece of cloth six inches. And it's going to be the hardest thing you've ever done. It's like the most tedious, miserable, isolating process of any athlete's life. Oh, yeah. And it's just always projected as, hey, he'll be back in three months. Nobody thinks about the three months. He's like, hey, we'll see you in three months, or whatever. It's like those three months for said person miserable, that's all sports, all recovery.
- [131:03]
Darius J. Butler
Absolutely. However you get through it, and we talked about it yesterday, it's not like he's not showing up to work. He's still showing up to work and doing what he's doing on game day as well. So I like it. I don't have a problem with it.
- [131:14]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [131:14]
Darius J. Butler
Dual Carter did put out a story too, saying he was getting. I know Bruce kind of alluded to.
- [131:19]
Connor
To it.
- [131:19]
Darius J. Butler
He was getting treatment during the walkthrough. Now that's tough to do. And I talked to Coach Ba about it too. He said trainers have been fired over like, that. So I know it's kind of rare, but I Guess he's wanted to clear up the sleeping on the job accusations.
- [131:34]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. That's fascinating because normally everybody knows what the schedule is. Like, that's why whenever we heard the story, we were kind of confused because where would he have been where somebody didn't see him and say, hey, there's always that, like, there's people in the bathroom, maybe late. Choose to go to the bathroom late, and people, like, gotta go. Yeah, like, there is a lot of that conversation. Treatment room. Same thing. Equipment room. I don't even know if anybody's in there because they're setting up practice. So, like, it felt like whenever I heard the story, like he missed it, but he was in the building. It's like how. I don't even know how you do that. And then he said he was getting treatment.
- [132:04]
Darius J. Butler
Getting treatment. Especially if you're like a. I mean, any point in the team. But if you're a rookie and you look around and you don't see, like, somebody else in your meeting room, like, if I don't see another DB around, like, I'm just surrounded by offensive guys. Especially, like, hold on, Spidey. Senses go off white. Yeah.
- [132:19]
Pat McAfee
Where's.
- [132:19]
Connor
Where's Burns?
- [132:20]
Darius J. Butler
Where. Where's Kon? Like, what's going on here? So very weird story right now.
- [132:24]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I just said it's a little too quiet around here. Maybe they have a recovery room where you, like, put on the leg things and.
- [132:30]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, the normatech boots and, like, in the darkness. Yeah, maybe it was in.
- [132:33]
Pat McAfee
What's that?
- [132:34]
Darius J. Butler
Salt things?
- [132:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, like one of the. Like, maybe the article tank. Yeah, yeah. Flow tank. If they have the flow take in the recovery room alongside the normatex, that would be pretty impressive. But if they have, like, there's.
- [132:45]
AJ Hawk
There's a. There's digital, like, everywhere has digital screens in every single room. At facilities with pretty much the daily schedule. So if, like a trainer sitting there working on them, you would imagine, like, hey, why is there nobody else in here right now? Why. Why did I not feel any traffic walking? Like, usually there's a lot of activity, and then if there's nobody there, it's because there's walkthrough practice.
- [133:03]
Pat McAfee
I think he fell asleep with the normatech on. That's what I think happened.
- [133:07]
AJ Hawk
Oh, yeah, I used to do that.
- [133:08]
Pat McAfee
Recovery room. I think there's a recovery room. Maybe a little darker lights, maybe not as highlights. Okay, Recovery room. Normatech here. Got a foot thing. Couple feet things over here. Let's see, maybe recliner, massage thing along this wall over here. Normatech options on the reclining like the.
- [133:27]
AJ Hawk
Aq aq red light things probably maybe wearing on his head or something or his face.
- [133:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, maybe the normatex. Back in the corner though, he goes into Normatec. He reclines that bad boy and all of a sudden.
- [133:38]
Bruce Arians
Hold the phone.
- [133:40]
Pat McAfee
I was watching so much wrestling last night, I got a little tired so I can catch up on Monday night rally. And he just closes his eyes accidentally. Doesn't even mean to close his eyes. Accidentally closes his eyes because he's thinking about, I wonder if the tribal chief is going to return at Monday night Raw. The last one for John Cena as a square garden. And then all of a sudden, guess what? We're in La La land and we wake up. Who wakes us up? Oh, there was them coming back from walkthrough. Holy.
- [134:05]
Darius J. Butler
Oh, no.
- [134:06]
AJ Hawk
You imagine how bad you'd freak out.
- [134:08]
Pat McAfee
That's the case because there's probably people go to the locker room. Somebody go find him. He's hiding in the corner of the recovery room on the Normatec. Man, they couldn't even find him. OTC there's a chance. We're not 100% sure until we learn more on the story. But I do appreciate him there willing fight for Scaboo.
- [134:27]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [134:28]
Pat McAfee
And I appreciate Scaboo already wanting to fight for Schultz.
- [134:30]
Ty Schmidt
Exactly.
- [134:31]
Pat McAfee
That's good for the city. That's good for everybody. That's. That's good work, brother. That's good work. And the Giants, the Giants fans, it feels like they got worked a little bit now. Speaking of working, Mike Tomlin has been a head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers for how long, Tone?
- [134:47]
AP Tone
Believe this is 18 years.
- [134:50]
Pat McAfee
His career as the head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers has just become an adult. Can buy lottery tickets, can buy nicotine things. Can serve in the United States military. 18 years. A long time in a place. Somehow he still one ups himself whenever he gets onto a microphone to speak about different situations. He was asked about spitgate, the sullying of a sport by spitting happening in between the lines, in between the whistles. Ja' Marr Chase and Jalen Ramsey, obviously situation we're referring to. Referring to. He was asked about what his message was to the team. You know, I have no message.
- [135:27]
Darius J. Butler
If someone spits in your face. Do what comes natural.
- [135:32]
Pat McAfee
Do what comes natural. I think Jalen Ramsey did what came natural to him. Hold the phone. Started throwing punches. It feels like everybody in sports coach BA views spitting the exact same way. It feels like every person that we have talked to that's been a Part of sports says, hey, this is. This is the most disrespectful thing you can do. You can't do it. It's a guaranteed fight. Like, if you want to start a fight, here's how you do it. Why do you think it still happens, though? Do you think there's always going to be, like, outliers in situations that happen? Because this is what third incident we've had this season in football, and it doesn't feel like there's been that many in the past.
- [136:06]
Bruce Arians
No, that's kind of a new thing. It's kind of crazy because you're begging to get a fight. Maybe I won't get thrown out of the game, but that to me is stupidest thing ever. And to quote James Harrison, I'm gonna find you, all right?
- [136:19]
Pat McAfee
Okay.
- [136:19]
Bruce Arians
I'm gonna find you, brother. In the off season, we're gonna, we're gonna settle this.
- [136:24]
Pat McAfee
I. I like the thought of you saying, hey, he spits in your face. Now I get it, okay? You can't get ejected. But in the off season, we got a FBI, we will try this guy. We will find out where he is at. You can figure it out then. But it does feel like everybody thinks it's a reasonable response to punch somebody in the face if they get spit in the face.
- [136:40]
Connor
Yeah.
- [136:41]
Pat McAfee
There's not, there's no cliche answer that Tomlin's given there. I have no message for getting spit in the face. You do. What comes natural to you is Tomlin saying, hey, if you want to get punched in the face, spit in somebody's face. It feels like the sports community has really rallied around this. I think we all would like it to not happen.
- [136:57]
Darius J. Butler
I think absolutely. You usually the message is, hey, don't be selfish. You know, take the high road, walk away. So you're available for your team. But there are also things that, hey, just cross the line. And Deebo, I saw the clip from the Deebo and Joe show, I believe with him and Joe Hayden and him talk about it. Yeah, I'm gonna find where he's at in the off season. It's just gonna be a report. Masked man just beats whoever's ass and, you know, no other details come out. It was me and Zeke. We went back cause we wanted to see like some other incidents. And I believe it was like 2006 with to and he spinning like Dangelo Hall's face. And then you saw like Shannon Sharp, Dan Marino, and I believe like Boomer S and all just talk about it with maybe J JB and just saying all the same things that we're saying now, like, so, yeah, every. Everybody knows you just. That's just a line you don't cross.
- [137:45]
Bruce Arians
Taboo.
- [137:46]
Pat McAfee
Taboo, aj Will there always be somebody, though? Mike Tomlin just said that there's a playoff game. Okay, let's send our special tamer. Yeah, number 49. Let's get him in there. Dope. Absolute beast. This guy's willing to do whatever needs you to be an active talker in the face of this guy.
- [138:09]
AJ Hawk
Don't make it too obvious. Don't make it too obvious, though, right?
- [138:11]
Pat McAfee
I mean, really, I guess you can bait a fight immediately if you want to spit in somebody's face. And that's the sad part of it all, is like, are they going to.
- [138:20]
AJ Hawk
Have to review this? Are they going to have to review it and say, okay, they're going to say they threw Jalen out, and then they go back, they review it, say, no, he did get spit on. We'll just go give him. Maybe we'll throw out the guy that spit, and we'll give a 15 yarder to Jalen. He stays in the game.
- [138:31]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I think it can be. What is it called when both of them setting.
- [138:34]
AJ Hawk
Offsetting. Yeah.
- [138:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, offsetting. And then obviously injection for the spitting party. You know, that would have to have the NFL and the NFLPA come together.
- [138:42]
AJ Hawk
There's no way.
- [138:42]
Pat McAfee
There's no way to readjust some rules. They're trying to do that with their grading, the report cards. How do we feel about that? Have we thought about the conversation we're going to have tomorrow with jj? Have you heard about this, Bruce?
- [138:53]
Bruce Arians
Yeah, I have. And that whole report card thing always blows my mind.
- [138:56]
Pat McAfee
Okay, so I'm intrigued to hear your thoughts. Why does it blow your mind? Do you think it's inaccurate? Do you think it is something that's a little bit. Not maybe a perfect reference of what's actually happening? Is that what you're saying?
- [139:09]
Bruce Arians
Well, to my knowledge, not every player gets his voice heard. It's just a select few. So they're bitching about the food. They're bitching about the locker room. You bitch about this, It's a bitch chess and bitch chess destin for. For a few guys. All right? Not. Not the entire team. If you're going to do it, get everybody's opinion, write it down and sign it.
- [139:30]
Pat McAfee
Put your name on it. Let's have a little transparency. I think that is what the NFL is saying as well. What you just said there is like. I think there's an agreement to maybe do some sort of report card or judgment amongst the NFL and the nflpa. But I think they're saying that they're supposed to be a part of it. Like, hey, and also who's getting asked? How many people are getting. Getting asked? And there has been stories. You're saying who's getting asked? A select few. Maybe like five guys on one team are being asked. Who are those five guys? 10 guys on another team. Who are the 10 guys that are getting asked? When are they getting asked? Is it when they're on their way out? Are they actually like there's so many. Is what the NFL saying? Yeah, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And the players are saying, well, the ass facilities are getting called out for the first time in forever. So there has to be some sort of balance of getting a property proper voice to be heard, but also getting some change in the actual things that are needed in professional football.
- [140:20]
Darius J. Butler
I do agree with all the players being polled, not necessarily, you know, signing your name next to hey, fffff, Darius Butler, because now they at the top, they look at it, oh, you don't like it here? All right, get the fuck out. So I agree with that part, getting everybody to do it. But we all know how tough it is to get 60, 70 players, players to sit down for 10 extra minutes and go over this whole survey. Like we, you know, top 100. We barely get all the guys to vote on that. So that'll be tough. But I do agree, you don't want it to just be five or six guys on the team to go and do it. But I, you know, we'll talk, we'll get deeper into the conversation tomorrow. I can't wait for it. But yeah, I agree with you on that standpoint.
- [140:59]
Pat McAfee
The reason why we enjoy the report card so much, because it's great fodder when they come out, AJ they're always dropping at the perfect time and there's nothing to talk about. And then we, we just start murdering these facilities. Oh my God. And we, we're probably a big part of the problem here.
- [141:13]
Connor
Definitely.
- [141:14]
Pat McAfee
And by problem, we view it as solution.
- [141:17]
Connor
Yes.
- [141:17]
Pat McAfee
You know, so that is kind of.
- [141:19]
AJ Hawk
Where if I'm the trainers and strength coach, that too as well, because they, they grade this, the trainers and the strength coaches. That's the one where I, if I was on the NFL side, I'd be like, hey, you got to make sure you talk to a good chunk of every people from like, I don't know if you need 30, 40 guys because if you just talk to five slappies, they might not like the trainers and feel like they didn't get respect enough and they didn't get enough time with the coach or whatever. So yeah, you need a good chunk of that team, I think, to actually do this.
- [141:43]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And I think they would cite like different situations where maybe the training room or equipment room got a bad score. And then literally a month or two later, star of player or star of team comes out and says, hey, I owe it all to this particular group right here. It's like, well, the report card basically, or the portrayal of what the report card said was the complete opposite. It's also being reported that the NFL was saying, hey, this is violating a non disparagement agreement that we have amongst each other as well. You guys are basically just broadcasting all the things that are ass in our side of this entire thing. You're not allowed to do that. Okay, we're not allowed to disparage each other. Do we ever do that to you? And then people start pointing out, yeah, there's been numerous times people have said things about players and some stuff like that. Yeah. But we're supposed to keep to a minimum. We shouldn't be given a report card. So I, I think there is an answer in this entire thing. But it is a fascinating little development on the development of each franchise.
- [142:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. And it does make sense because you could see how like this is meant to ultimately do more good and kind of improve some things. And like AJ mentions, you know, with the, the strength coach and, and all that kind of stuff. But it really does just turn into looking at different franchises and be like.
- [142:50]
Rich Rodriguez
Gee, how much money did I make.
- [142:51]
Ty Schmidt
Making this cheap owner? This guy won't spend it like that. That's kind of what it just morphs.
- [142:56]
Pat McAfee
We start showing pictures from the buildings.
- [142:58]
Darius J. Butler
Exactly.
- [142:58]
Pat McAfee
We start looking online. What are the pictures in the building? Look at this. So this is the team meeting, special teams meeting and the cafeteria. This place is a what, a bag of an operation. Is that the exit sign? It only says EX and P are lit up. The eye isn't even lit up. It's like a motel. That is what it turns in for us.
- [143:16]
Bruce Arians
Yes.
- [143:17]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, we're a part of.
- [143:18]
Ty Schmidt
So you can see why I don't love that.
- [143:20]
Connor
But we also find out new information. Like maybe I was the only one. But who knew there was a three story townhouse that the KC owner sits in at the stadium. Yeah, I had no idea. Which again, all the power to him. It's his stadium. He's the owner of the damn team. But you can see where if there are five or six guys getting interviewed, they can be like, well, I mean shit, I can't even, I can't even get two tickets to a game for less than 5,000 bucks because they are arrowhead, you know, ticket prices, whatever the. But like you can see how if you don't bring it up like how is anything going to change for the players?
- [143:53]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, I need some sort of public something. I think JJ's got the answer.
- [143:57]
Connor
Yeah, got some good ones.
- [143:58]
Pat McAfee
JJ's got answers tomorrow. He's very passionate about it. Okay. Anything we missed today? Anything we missed today?
- [144:05]
Ty Schmidt
Pirates are gonna spend money.
- [144:07]
Bruce Arians
Oh yeah.
- [144:07]
AJ Hawk
And oh yeah, they thought about spending money.
- [144:09]
Ty Schmidt
No, we.
- [144:09]
Pat McAfee
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Can I set the table?
- [144:11]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, go ahead.
- [144:13]
Pat McAfee
I am, I'm so thankful you brought this up. You're so right. I get a text from jet passing at 10:10pm last night.
- [144:24]
Connor
Late night form.
- [144:26]
Pat McAfee
I, I think he's an all nighter. Oh, raw.
- [144:28]
Connor
What am I talking about?
- [144:29]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah, you're 100% right. There's no last minute. And also I think he's a late nighter.
- [144:35]
Ty Schmidt
This is like one of the busiest times of the year for him too.
- [144:38]
Pat McAfee
Yesterday 10:10pm Patrick, period. The Pirates are doing exciting things. I responded selling the team. He goes, exciting baseball things. I don't know what all I'm allowed to say. So why don't you go ahead and tell me what has been reported about the Pittsburgh Pirates.
- [144:58]
Connor
No, just let it fly.
- [145:00]
Pat McAfee
They have the number one prospect in baseball.
- [145:02]
Ty Schmidt
Correct.
- [145:03]
Pat McAfee
He's the 19.
- [145:03]
Ty Schmidt
Yep.
- [145:04]
Pat McAfee
An actual dude. Yes, is what Jet Passon says. And I think he's going to be. I'm not going to say this.
- [145:10]
Ty Schmidt
No, you can. They're going to give him the opportunity to be the opening day shortstop next year. If that's what Passon said.
- [145:15]
Pat McAfee
Yes, he said he thinks he's going to be their shortstop. Opening day last time a teenager debuted was Juan Stto. Juan stto got paid $750 million.
- [145:25]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, he's pretty good.
- [145:26]
Pat McAfee
By the New York Mets. They're going to spend money too. They're talking to Schwarber.
- [145:29]
Ty Schmidt
Yes, correct. So.
- [145:31]
Pat McAfee
So, so hold the phone.
- [145:34]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, so we kind of ripped on them. When Bruce brought up the thing about how, you know, it said like hey, they are going to spend money in this offseason. We said, you know, their last big free agent acquisition was they, you know, gave John j. So a 2 year 6 million dollar contract a couple years ago. Josh Naylor, the wobble body first baseman for the Seattle Mariners who got traded from the Diamondbacks at the deadline this year. Who, who hits bombs. They, they made an offer for him like seventy plus million dollars. He ended up resigning with the Mariners. But yeah, so there they go. They, they were, they were going to spend almost upwards of seven. Yeah, but so they miss out on him. But yeah, now the big thing is like they are, they are, they're interested in Schwarbert.
- [146:15]
Pat McAfee
But hold on.
- [146:16]
Connor
Yeah, you can see the writing.
- [146:23]
Ty Schmidt
They're going to have to spend a lot of money. The big issue now is that these guys don't want to go play in Pittsburgh. That's kind of the.
- [146:29]
Pat McAfee
No, this is.
- [146:30]
AJ Hawk
You got triple. You got triple what? They would get some somewhere else.
- [146:33]
Ty Schmidt
Exactly.
- [146:33]
Pat McAfee
Triple. PNC Park, Paul schemes, Cy Young award winner, the hundo boys on the mind for sure. But Jason Kendall's walked that land.
- [146:42]
Ty Schmidt
No, I know, I know Schwarber though. Yeah, I don't, I don't know exactly what he's going to command on the market, but yes, it probably will be around like 200 million somewhere in that room range. Pirates might have to give him 250. 275.
- [146:54]
Pat McAfee
And you're saying we almost spent 78 million on one guy.
- [146:59]
Ty Schmidt
But, but in years past they wouldn't, they wouldn't have even like that wouldn't.
- [147:03]
Pat McAfee
Have even, they wouldn't even send a text saying that they did.
- [147:05]
Ty Schmidt
Correct. They, they tried to get him and he obviously was like, no, we just played in the alcs. I don't want to go play in Pittsburgh. I'm going to resign in Seattle. But they're trying stones.
- [147:16]
Connor
Like if you think about it like this, two years from now, they might actually offer a guy $80 million. They won't just think about it.
- [147:22]
Ty Schmidt
They just got beat to the punch there. There was nothing they could do because the, the Mariners had, you know, right of first refusal to.
- [147:28]
Pat McAfee
Oh, so we didn't get it in front of this guy.
- [147:30]
Ty Schmidt
No, I don't think so. They're planning though.
- [147:32]
Pat McAfee
He heard they've been planning for 40 years. Yeah, exactly. Ba knows he was with the Steelers. He's been in that city before. He understands completely how everybody feels. I do appreciate a good post saying, hey, we almost thought about thinking about doing it. For sure.
- [147:45]
Ty Schmidt
I'd be int. Encouraged by this. If you're a Pirates fan, I'd be.
- [147:47]
Pat McAfee
Very encouraged by this.
- [147:49]
AJ Hawk
All right, now they have to do it though. Now they have to spend some money though, because they got Your hopes up?
- [147:53]
Pat McAfee
No, we tried. You want to suspend it on insert name of somebody that isn't Schwarbo?
- [147:58]
Rich Rodriguez
Yeah.
- [147:58]
Connor
Right.
- [147:58]
Ty Schmidt
Well, that's. What, like, if it's Schwarber, like, Schwarber's not gonna sign with the Pirates. That's not, that's not going to happen. But that tells me money talks, brother.
- [148:06]
Bruce Arians
Money talk.
- [148:07]
Pat McAfee
We don't got it.
- [148:08]
Ty Schmidt
It does, but that tells me that there's a chance. Chance that if they don't get him, they might panic and go give Pete Alonzo, like a massive. Like, yeah, they just. They need bats. They need. And you know, you don't necessarily need to spend $250 million on one guy, but they need to solidify a couple different positions. I think they're going to try to. Because I think they realize, like, hey, if we have another season like we did last year, like, skin is gone. Like, we're gonna. Like, he's he. We cannot waste.
- [148:36]
Pat McAfee
I. I know it's hard to just fathom it this. As a sports fan of another team, especially as a Yankees fan, and I'm not even consider a Pirates fan. You guys say, like, they're scared Paul SK Will be gone. They don't care that Paul Skeins will be gone.
- [148:50]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah, no, that's my mentality. But they could luck into. They could luck into, like, making the playoffs last year. Like, that's how good their pitching staff could be. They just can't. You can't score one or zero runs in 112 of your 100, 162 games. You got to score a couple runs. So.
- [149:06]
Pat McAfee
But, but the, the owners just see, oh, Paul Skeens, that's a bump in bobbleheads, That's a bump in tickets, that's a bump in nachos. So for about two more years here, we got a bump in this guy. That's all they see. They. They don't. Like, you were thinking about it as if you were an owner of a team and you cared about its success. That is how you were.
- [149:23]
Ty Schmidt
That is true.
- [149:24]
Pat McAfee
So whenever we read something, and I'll go to Hammer with a little bit more information on how he read this. As a piracy Pirates fan, when I read that they were primed to spend upwards of $78 million, I go, that's bullshit. That sounds like that's not real. That's them saying, we thought about it. We're primed to do it. Why am I so negative Tone, is there. Is there any chance that maybe this Pirate team is different this offseason than they've been for our entire lives.
- [149:52]
AP Tone
This is the greatest news Pirates fans got in the last 10 years.
- [149:55]
Ty Schmidt
Okay.
- [149:56]
AP Tone
That they were primed to spend. They've never been primed to spend anything. So I'm thinking they're going to get Tucker and Bregman and Schwaber and Alonso. I think they're going to get everybody. World Series is coming home.
- [150:04]
Pat McAfee
Yeah. And they could say, yeah, we're thinking about it. And that would be this tweet, right?
- [150:10]
Connor
Yeah.
- [150:10]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [150:11]
AP Tone
Hey, if they're thinking about it, it's a lot more than they normally do.
- [150:14]
Pat McAfee
Well, they're thinking about it enough to send the press release that they're thinking about it. I don't, I don't think it's an actual. I have no faith.
- [150:20]
Ty Schmidt
I. I trust Jet.
- [150:21]
AP Tone
If Jet says it's true, it's true.
- [150:23]
Pat McAfee
And if we had a 19 year old start, come see the young buck. The guy who's just.
- [150:27]
Bruce Arians
Yeah.
- [150:28]
AJ Hawk
Two and a half years.
- [150:29]
Pat McAfee
Young buck, actually.
- [150:30]
Ty Schmidt
Young bucko. There you go.
- [150:34]
Pat McAfee
What's that, A.J.
- [150:36]
AJ Hawk
I feel like they do, the Pirates, do they want to be like a farm team for the rest of the major league?
- [150:41]
Ty Schmidt
That's what they have been.
- [150:42]
Pat McAfee
No, that's the Reds job, some stars.
- [150:45]
AJ Hawk
Swarbo, bring him home. He's not, he's not too far from Cincinnati Middletown.
- [150:49]
Pat McAfee
You guys ain't ever going to pay him enough money to go there.
- [150:51]
AJ Hawk
Yeah, I don't think the owner, since he's, you know, writing big checks.
- [150:54]
Connor
Yeah. Didn't he say like, oh, what, you want me to sell fucking team? I will if she keep talking shit to me.
- [150:59]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah. Opening day, red pants.
- [151:02]
Pat McAfee
Yeah, yeah.
- [151:04]
Ty Schmidt
What are you, what are you not coming to the games? Okay, I'll move the team to Florida. Suck my dick. That's basically what he said on opening.
- [151:10]
Pat McAfee
Day with red pants. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was kind of the messaging. He had to walk that back, I think a couple different times.
- [151:17]
Ty Schmidt
I wasn't serious. I mean, I wouldn't move the team.
- [151:20]
Pat McAfee
Love the passion of the city and everything like that. Pirates fans, Paul, SK man, this is.
- [151:25]
Ty Schmidt
Going to be a very active. We're going to see a lot of, a lot of movement. So just to add a little more.
- [151:30]
Pat McAfee
Context to the conversation, the. The guy, Naylor did sign a five year, $92 million contract. So a bit of a discrepancy in what the Pirates were offering.
- [151:42]
Ty Schmidt
Extra year though.
- [151:43]
Pat McAfee
Okay, that's fair. 14. Oh.
- [151:50]
Darius J. Butler
Is that exciting?
- [151:51]
Ty Schmidt
No.
- [151:52]
Pat McAfee
Taking a victory lap on that one.
- [151:53]
Ty Schmidt
Ty just barely buried him.
- [151:56]
Pat McAfee
All right, time we appreciate you, buddy. Why don't you come on out here? Why don't you come on out here? Let's get the hell out of here. What a day. Good for us. And tonight we got two balls.
- [152:04]
Connor
Yeah. Pumped.
- [152:09]
Pat McAfee
Well, let's not.
- [152:10]
Connor
Let's not hang our hats on that happening.
- [152:12]
Pat McAfee
Maybe we embarrassed, though. Go ahead.
- [152:15]
AJ Hawk
No, he'll be there. I. I just thought he should maybe change, like, shirt.
- [152:18]
Bruce Arians
Have.
- [152:19]
AJ Hawk
Have Tariko and Jordan. Just change the shirt. Change your pants, maybe. So it looks like you're different wearing different days. These are different conversations, man.
- [152:25]
Ty Schmidt
Good ide idea.
- [152:26]
Pat McAfee
Same setup, same seats, same angles, different days. Look at the shirts.
- [152:31]
Darius J. Butler
Good to see you.
- [152:32]
Connor
Welcome to Insights.
- [152:33]
Pat McAfee
And they should do a full. Yeah.
- [152:34]
Ty Schmidt
Every time.
- [152:35]
Pat McAfee
Yeah.
- [152:35]
AJ Hawk
Great to see you again.
- [152:36]
Darius J. Butler
Been a while.
- [152:39]
Pat McAfee
And then right back into it. They should do that.
- [152:41]
AJ Hawk
Ta looks as I said last week, Mike. And he goes.
- [152:43]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [152:44]
AJ Hawk
Have Michael referencing. Yeah. You know, three weeks ago when we were sitting here. Mike and they. Each other.
- [152:50]
Pat McAfee
You'll be able to see the wink subtly with the jib cam. That.
- [152:54]
Ty Schmidt
Yeah.
- [152:54]
Pat McAfee
It would be for ball numbers only. Yeah. Inside, everybody that's there knows, but we don't. I think tonight he's at the desk. All right.
- [153:04]
AJ Hawk
Leave the show. He's run the show.
- [153:06]
Pat McAfee
Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. If I change your life, we're in this thing together. Hey, shout out to you. BA you look so cool, man. We appreciate you.
- [153:11]
Bruce Arians
Thank you, brother. Great show. Better one next week.
- [153:13]
Pat McAfee
Hell yeah. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three.
- [153:16]
Connor
Team.
- [153:16]
Pat McAfee
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