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PMS 2.0 1458 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 12 Recap, MNF Preview, Adam Schefter, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this massive overreaction. Monday, November 24, 2025. This sports program begins now.
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Football.
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It is magical. And the Week 12 NFL Sunday slate delivered in a huge way. Not only do we have multiple overtime games, now my team suffered in overtime to the Kansas City Chiefs. And we are certainly going to have to talk about that because lo and behold, maybe the Chiefs is still the Chiefs. That might be one of the top five headlines we roll into. But there's multiple overtimes, there's a huge comeback in a star studded game. And then last night we got a chance to watch a goat do a goat thing and absolutely demolish somebody. Now tonight, Carolina Panthers travel all the way out to San Francisco to take on the 49ers in Santa Clara, California. Sorry, not San Francisco. Seven and a half point spread. The Carolina Panthers with Rico Dowdle who's been one of the special stor of this NFL season. Who is this guy? Where did he come from? Well, he's actually a machine. He's traveling to take on the Niners. The Niners look hot. Brock's back. That offense is a wagon. Actually. It's evolved since the old gold mining 49er days. It's not a wagon. This thing is a train. No, it's a bullet train. No, this thing is a hypersonic plane to London which is going to transform the way the entire world operates. That is what the Niners offense looks like whenever Brock Purdy's back in control, which he is. Tonight we wrap up Week 12 in a huge way. The toxic tables here at Boston. Connor at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer died. Cowboys AP Tone is here. Tone. Obviously a lot of things happened around the NFL yesterday. How'd the public fare? Did we finally start beating the sports books or what?
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Oh, I wish I could tell you yes, that that is not the case. I went through it this morning. Teams that were getting 60% or more of the bets yesterday were two seven and one against.
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So.
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No, no, we have. We. We stink. We stink again.
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Okay, so maybe we're not seeing the board. Maybe the more we see, the less we know some more. What do you mean by that?
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Like, I assume there's some people that like had really good picks this week, but as a majority, no.
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Yeah. Well, A.J. hawk actually had a incredible weekend. We'll see if that continues this evening. I think he got nine, right? Yeah, yeah, he went nine, three and one. I went six six one nine three one. Yeah, I feel good about where I'm at actually as I reading the graphic here to see how I did because me and AJ both forget exactly who were where and there's other bets being made obviously throughout the weekend. So six, six and one. I was like, oh, bad. I go over to age. I'm like age, Age is seeing it right now. 9, 3 and 1. Now. Is it a feeling? Is it a, a lurking feeling? What are we reading? What are we not? We shall dive into it all. Nine year NFL vet who looks incredibly cool, Darius J. Butler is here. D Buch, what's your big takeaway from the weekend, do you think? Good football back, Meaningful football back.
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A lot of good football. A lot of records been broken, a lot of close games. So that's, that's my big takeaway so far in the week 12.
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Well, it's meaningful football now too.
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Very meaningful.
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Every loss can change a career. Every win can save a season. It's meaningful football time, truly. And that means we here need to do a sale for that.
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Okay.
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Breaking news@store patmac for show.com There is currently a meaningful football sale. 25% off everything because it is that time of year. Yes, we will celebrate Thanksgiving and I hope you have a fantastic black Friday and I hope Christmas is magical and I hope your new year is great. But for us right now, it's big because it's meaningful football everywhere. College football has its rivalry weekend coming up. Hello, big time meaningful football on Friday and Saturday alongside the NFL slate on Thursday which has every team playoff implications on it's meaningful football. We're excited to be here. 25% off the whole store. If you want to support the place, you want to rock the place, rep the place, and if you don't, we completely understand. Who knows when you'll get this stuff. I think it'll be quick. We gotta have a different crew on the back end.
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Okay.
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Got a different crew on the back end this time. CFO Phil. These folks put together, they're ready for the excitement if you are as well. Store.patmographyshow.com we appreciate the hell out of you. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to dive into the top five headlines coming out of week 12 of the NFL Sunday slate. We said we want to do something each week that maybe has a little bit of reason, a little bit of rhyme, a little bit of structure. What are they doing football games with that? Oh, that's called the first 15. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our first 15. Drift driven by ram truck. Whenever you hit the gas, that thing sounds like obviously incredibly smooth, powerful and durable. But it's also perfect for the first 15 because that's what we're trying to be. Put the clock please in the lower left corner. Bang. Let's get started. Top five headlines coming out of week 12 Sunday. Slate. Number five, who's league? It's looking like Ramsley heard that a lot last night. Whose house? Rams house. Whose house? Rams house. Felt loud. Felt like the Rams faithful have kind of. I don't want to say finally, but the Rams faithful taking over that entire building now whenever they go out to Los Angeles, you have no idea what's going to happen. How's this going to go? Is the franchise going to be able to be exciting enough and electrifying enough to steal the attention of the people that live in la? And with the Rams, are they going to be good enough? Then they win the Super bowl in SoFi, in their own stadium, in their own city and then they go all in basically for that team. They sent a bunch of draft picks out there. You know, GM actually quoted saying, fuck them picks. You know, that's kind of everywhere. We need to win right now in a brand new city. And somehow from that era to what they're doing right now, they've been able to continue to turn over the dominance. They got a young defense that's everywhere and they got a quarterback who's drafted in the same class as me and D Bus. Yeah, he was picked number one. I was picked 222. He was picked number one. Darius J. Butler was pick 41. Oh, that's old CBA for Matthew Stafford and for Darius J. Butler. But what this guy is doing this year is outrageous. He's the mvp odds on favorite and every time he's on primetime and he's doing the shit that he's doing, especially with devonte. Which D Butt's going to get into here in a matter of moments. But every time he gets out on TV and showcases what he's able to do at this current stage of his career with dudes like Puka Nakua, who Devonte Adams said, he's like, this is the greatest vibe of all time. Pukinakua. Always positive, always energetic, also impossible to tackle and incredibly tough. Kind of sets a tone for everybody in the building. And oh yeah, you got an OG Devonte Adams in that building. And oh yeah, Matthew Stafford's playing better football than he's ever played. Devonte Adams just passed Jimmy Graham for the most one yard touchdowns in history. NFL congratulations, Devonte.
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Let's go.
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Is that real congrats. Fifteen of them. You know Jerome Bettis is on that list. You know Jerome Bettis had that run with the Pittsburgh Steelers where basically they would walk it all the way down the field and get to the one instead of the tush bush. It was the bus. Hush. You know he just kind of ran it in for a touchdown. I, I think it was fast. Willie Parker. Parker got all the yards and had like touchdowns. Why? Why don't you have any touchdowns? Well, anytime we get inside buses territory. Yeah, like three touchdowns, two yards in a couple different games. You're talking about one yard touchdowns. Gronk had this situation obviously whenever they were down on the goal line with Tom Brady, they would just flank Gronk out there one on one. And if you sent one person out there. Okay, well that's, that's a two way go for Gronk right now.
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Yeah.
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If you send two people out there, what happens to the box? Well, obviously we're able to hammer it. It's an unstoppable offensive weapon if you have it. Devontae's get off. They say he's better than anybody. So not only do you have the best getoff, you also have a quarterback that never misses. This dude never misses. And then on defensive side they're only giving up 16.3 points a game or something like that. That's the fewest in the NFL. This is the first time ever the odds on favorite of the MVP has had a defense system ever. So whenever you talk about who's league, it's starting to feel like we might be talking about the Rams league. Is that how you're seeing it D. Buck?
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Absolutely. You talk about it offensively, it always starts with the quarterback. A lot of questions about Matt and his health coming into this season. So for him to like this now is unbelievable. And then everyone around him, obviously we know his head coach, the play caller, Sean McVay, he's great. They got a good running game. The O line has been keeping him clean. Whenever you have a quarterback, you know that's up in age. We mentioned being drafted in 09. You want to keep him clean, you want to keep him upright. And they've been doing a great job of that. And it's devonte Adams. Once you get into that area, like his release game, even out here, like his release game off the ball, I mean Chad Ochocinko, Stevie Johnson and Devonte Adams. But Devonte Adams will be at the top of that list. Like he's so smooth out in the field. When you get into that area, low red area, slants, faze, all of it. And then Puka, he's everywhere, he does everything is unbelievable.
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Do you think because Sean McVay was a wide receiver, he has seen himself and he said, if I had Devontae's release, I would just on the goal line and we just flank him out there. You got Puka on the other side, you got Parkinson, you got all these other weapons that obviously the Rams have in abundance. But if they one on one out here, Sean McVay's thinking in his head, if I had Devontae's release, that's a two way. Do you think that is an advantage for wide receiver relationships when the head coach play caller is a wide receiver?
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I think that always helps. And it's part of, I mean even when like he's always going to get the most out of it, out of his weapons. Even when Odell Beckham came over that year that you mentioned, they went and won the super bowl, he would just isolate Beckham on that side of the field and that was while, you know, Cooper cup was winning the triple crown. But he would get the best out of both guys and putting them in their situation to be productive. And on the opposite, you know, side of Devontae is Puka. And Puka is moving everywhere. He dominates in the interior field. He'll insert through a B or C gap and run a route down the field. He's tough. He came on the show and said, hey, look, I'm never, I'll never be the guy that's going to run out of bounds or turn down contact. You talk about his vibes on and off the field, but you put the ball in number 12's hand, he's going to make something special happen damn near every time. And then defensively, you mentioned it rarely do we see an offense like this paired up with the championship level defense. But Chris Shula has the boys rolling. The front four is the best in the league in my opinion. And then guys on the back end really making a name for themselves this year. Kenchins, who had two picks last week. Kobe Durant had a pick last week, now he has a pick six this week. And Emmanuel Forbes Jr. I think he was targeted seven times and didn't give up a catch, which he was a washout in the Commanders.
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What happened on the Commanders? He's super skinny, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean he's still a slim guy and I think he'll always be a slim guy. But the reason you rarely see a guy that Small get drafted in the first round. The reason he did was because of his skill set and how dominant he was at Mississippi State. And now you just see confidence. Confidence is everything at any position when you're a cornerback. Having that in life, when you have that confidence, you're in the system. You have a coach that believes in you. You have players around you that are great. He this is what you see when you go to a new place. And we always say, hey, maybe this guy just need a fresh start. That's a great example of this right.
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Here to your point. D butt is from next gen stats Emmanuel Forbes faced seven targets and did not allow a single reception against the Buccaneers. And remember this Buccaneers offense, really good. What. What's going on? He so it seemed early he was reaching for his arm but they let him play so it felt was happening early. If he had a broken anything up there, like collarbone, I don't know if they let him play. I don't want to diagnose anything but it feels like something with the AC joint. I'm not sure just the way he was reaching for it. Incredibly painful. I mean like one of the most painful.
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How many times he sacked before this. Like he was under. Under duress. Like we saw in prime time when Josh Allen was running for his life against that Houston Texans defense. It kind of seemed very similar against this Rams front. So whatever he came into the season dealing with, it definitely didn't help. Facing. Facing a.
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What would they call him? James? Jeez, what an incredible. I mean that was good. That was really good. I appreciate that. But like what we're trying to say is he was reaching immediately to here. Feels like that's probably a very real thing he was playing through last night. So obviously is Baker playing his best football? Is the offense playing their best football? Is anybody going to be able to play their best football against this Rams defense? I think that is the big question. And Shula was getting a lot of FaceTime last night. Chris Shula, as he should because how dominant they were. This Buccaneers offense is good.
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Oh yeah.
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This is a very good Buccaneers offense that they did that to.
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We're like four weeks away from or sorry, we're four weeks removed from basically saying Tampa Bay was going to the Super Bowl. I mean they had everything in the bucks or sorry. The Rams made them look basically incompetent on offense. And you're talking about Godwin was back. They weren't as hurt. One thing and I'm hoping this doesn't happen just because I would like my team. To have a chance to win the Super Bowl, Aaron Donald needs to come back and just play 10 snaps a game with this D line. And I don't care if he is even just on the sideline in pass, just, just hyping the guys up, kind of telling them, hey, that's great. Dance move. Maybe you can do this to make it a little better. But he was, he was on game day last week, two weeks ago, whatever. And he looks just as jacked as he did when he was playing. Now he probably needs a little time to get into game shape. Maybe even.
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I doubt it.
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I don't think so. He might be able to play middle linebacker.
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That's right. Just like jj. Yes, like JJ Watt. We kind of experienced his first year of retirement with him, if you do recall, weekly we're joining him, and that dude just didn't understand, like, hey, you're not still in the NFL. He was still getting under the squat rack every single morning, running sprints. You remember he was running sprints and doing cardio and everything. And I don't know if Aaron Donald's doing all of that stuff. I'd assume, Yes, I would assume that he would be doing those things. And then we saw him with Pitt. I mean, the guy threw me with a pinky. Yeah, the guy threw me with a pinky.
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Insane.
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Still got those. He trained with knives. And whenever you talk about that front, you drop Aaron Donald in it. And once again, we have no inside information on whether or not Aaron Donald wants to go back. Aaron Donald's enjoying the hell out of his life, I think. And he's earned it. And he goes 10 years, eight All Pros, 10 Pro Bowls, won a Super bowl, three defensive MVPs. I feel like I did pretty. I feel like I had a pretty good career. You certainly did, Eric. You certainly did. You worked your ass off for all those things. But he was in the building last night, and I'm assuming he gets excited watching the way that defense plays.
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I think get out there and play right now if you wanted to. I'm not sure if you guys heard them talking about. They've said it a few times with Jared Verse, when he went and worked out with them, and he was like, you know what, Aaron? Don't call me. I, I, I'll call you. Say it was the hardest he ever experienced. And that's him post NFL career. So I'm sure 99 can still get in there and dominate.
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Congrats to the Rams fans. Yeah, legit.
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It's a good life, right?
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Now right now. It's very good. And how long is Matthew Stafford going to play? Especially if he's hopping into that tube of live foreverness.
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Yeah, the immortal chamber.
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Yeah. What was that, what was that thing called?
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Immortal Cryo chamber of life.
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It's ammortal instead immoral. So I don' what the difference is.
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No.
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Well, because he's an alpha.
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It's amoral, man. Maybe it's a hard A on that. Yeah, whatever the case, he looks good.
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They also have the number 11 pick still.
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So who was calling the game there? It is. Amoral. Amoral. Amoral advertised itself as a wellness device that aims to optimize human performance and promote holistic health through a combination of non invasive technologies. It worked. Yeah, it did.
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Yeah.
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This guy's fucking unbelievable. Yeah, it did. We saw him walk into this thing. Him. Then we saw him walk out of that thing and now we're getting the season we're getting right now.
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That's a good question.
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Don't do this.
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We talked to him about this, didn't we?
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Oh yeah, we talked to someone about it.
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He said my clown's doing pretty good this year. And it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa, whoa, whoa. Mr. White Teeth right there.
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Yeah, McClone would say that.
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Admit that he looks good too.
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Oh yeah, great.
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Looks young even with the beard and he's the arm.
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He's not getting hit either. He could, he could play another.
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Oh, it's like the body.
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Seven years like the body that's playing.
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Out there has actually never been hit before for this year.
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I mean, doesn't it. I mean he is a little too. The touchdown to Parkinson obviously every week.
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I also never, never saw those calves until this year.
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So.
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Well, he was hiding him maybe because he's a humble man.
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Did he get new legs?
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Well, it does appear maybe from knees Don, because those calves. But once again we don't really know because he, he's. We've never really heard from other than miked up situations with NFL films when he was in Detroit just getting murdered and then throwing awesome passes.
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Detroit was so stinky. So stinky.
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But they had Calvin Johnson and Matthew Stafford so you were kind of forced to pay attention to him. You know, like we're all forced to pay attention because they were doing records and I mean devonte's on his. He's on a record breaking pace right now. Already did last night. Jumped top 10, top 9, top 8, whatever the number is in touchdowns. Congratulations.
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Already only has one less touchdown as a Ram one behind Puka. Puka has 13. He has 12.
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Yeah. It's been a hell of a year. And I'll tell you what, whenever you find the cheat code on goal line offense and you don't need everybody on your team to get accordioned, you know, like the Tush push does, that's a really nice thing. The offensive line loves that. Devonte Adams has a one on one on the outside. You know who else loves that? Running back too. Well, running back may want the touchdown. Everybody else loves it that it's happening out there. And all Matthew Stafford has to do is what just the thing that he's the best in the world at. Just put it into a bucket.
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Okay, no problem.
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And Devonte's like, wait till you guys see the I worked on in the summer. It's actually a triple. That's all. He's just crossing dudes up.
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Yeah.
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Is that the heart? So what's the hardest? You don't know where he's going because he doesn't use his hands either.
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Yeah, they're just down.
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His hands are like down. Yeah, it's like very interesting. What is the hardest part about his get? Everybody talks about his get off his get off his get off. It just. To me it looks like he just shakes the out of somebody.
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Honestly on that one, that, that one, that was inexcusable. Bob McCullum, because you have help inside there at Winfield and he's so close. Yeah, I'm sure they go this point like, hey, we're talking about it. 17, we're down here. You, you got to guard half a minute. It's like DEZ Bryant used to be automatic down there at Romo. When they got there, he was going to throw the back shorter fade regardless of what was happening. But if you're a corner, you got to be able to guard half a man at least. So you take away half. But if you're one on one just on an island and he has a two way goal on you, you want to initially take away leverage. But a veteran like him, even if he sees out inside leverage, he'll probably set you up and still try to take it away. So when you have that two way goal and you've done it as much as he has done it it, and then you have a quarterback that can actually be on the same page and hit you, it's damn near unstoppable.
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Yeah, because Stafford's not missing.
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Exactly.
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Like we'll see sometimes those opportunities where a ball will be a little too far, land out of bounds, be a Little short. Will get batted off to somebody's back or something like that. I think there was a situation last night with Dak and cd Obviously we will talk about that here in a matter of moments about where CD thought the ball was going versus where it actually went. Now granted, went right through his arms, but he thought I was going back corner. It's like Stafford seemingly always puts it right to the place that everybody wants.
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Exactly.
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That's why when you're talking about ball spinners. Bro.
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Bro.
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Got it. Absolutely got it. Could do it forever. Let's go to the top four headline. Now we're talking about the be necessities, the stinking bear necessities. Hey, the Bears, the kings of the North. This is real big. Hey, just a top team coming in. Well, Pittsburgh Steelers with Mason Rudolph, who by Steelers fans own a mission was fresh off a hot fourth quarter with this Steelers team. Maybe the guy who needs to lead the Pittsburgh Steelers to the promised land they were hoping to go to this season because Aaron Rodgers fractured his left wrist. Now the story going in was, is Aaron Rodgers going to play against a team that he's the landlord of? Is Aaron Rodgers going to play against Chicago Bears maybe one final time in Chicago? He's got a fracture on his left wrist. Okay. He obviously throws right handed. He was trying to get in the game last week. He was allegedly trying to play this week for a number of reasons. Not only because he's super competitive and he loves his Pittsburgh Steelers team, but also because he will like do one more, one more of these. On Chicago, we found out that he was a fan of the Chicago sports team because he watched WB growing up. It was one of his six channels. So he saw the Bulls and who wasn't a fan of the Bulls, especially if a Michael Jordan fan like I was. He loved the Cubs and he loved playing against Chicago obviously with the packers because it's a rivalry that he held in high regards. So we caught Aaron Rodgers going in. There wasn't Aaron Rodgers. It was Mason Rudolph. And guess what? It didn't matter because what the Chicago Bears team is now. Let me talk to you about what I like about Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson, what he was able to do at the Detroit Lions with Jared Goff. He turned Jared Goff, who is a robot, into a very, very, very, very, very efficient robot. Hey, this is what we need to do. These exact steps, this exact play fake. The ball needs to be at this exact pinpoint. So we wondered, is Caleb Williams ever going to be able to buy into the Ben Johnson system. Well, for all that to happen, you need a lot of things. Need a great offensive line, they invest in the offensive line.
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Oh, yeah.
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Need a great run game. Okay. Need a great run game. Okay, we're going to have a run game. This is if you look at what the Detroit Lions had with Ben Johnson. Best offensive line. Need a great run game. Then what do you need? A quarterback that's able to do well. He needs to be able to hand that ball off to the running back and then he needs to be able to play action the shit out of that defense. Because if you have a good play action and you have your back to the defense, back to the defense like this. Taylor Williams spent his entire life shotgun, looking at everybody, hey, Caleb Williams, you're the best athlete on the field. You need to have eyes on everybody. And if something doesn't work, make it work. That's what you need to do. Now they're asking Caleb for the success of this offense, for this offense to be as good. You have to take the ball, commit completely, turn your back to the defense. T.J. watts on that defense. Turn your back completely to the defense. Sell this thing so that the linebackers can't move, okay? These linebackers can't move. They can't do anything. They have no idea. And then bang. As soon as you turn, you need to know that the ball is going to go right to there, right to the seam. That's where it needs to go. We don't need you thinking, okay? We just need you to turn your back. Don't be scared to get hit in the face. Could happen. And as soon as you turn around, you need to just spin that thing. You will catch the defense in a land that they don't want to be in. You will have wide open guys everywhere. And I'll tell you what, yesterday against this Pittsburgh Steelers defense, wide open guys everywhere, the rhythm, the timing, the execution of an offense by Caleb Williams was very much on display. 50 couldn't do shit right there. 50 couldn't do a damn thing right there because he had no idea what Caleb was going to do. Back to the defense turns around. Boom, on a button. See you later. He has to know what the defense is doing pre snap. So Caleb has to know what the defense is kind of doing pre snap. Because then he now he has to decide where he's going once he turns his back back around. But he's making the right decisions. He's committed completely to the play action and their teams built to have success. And then on defensive side they just get turnovers everywhere. They get turnovers everywhere here. Now there's a couple stats that Hembo sent over to me about this Chicago Bears team. Last year in games that were decided by five points or less, 20, 24, they were one in six. Okay. This year they're six and one in those games. Chicago has a plus 12 turnover margin in those games. So whenever you talk about not only are they winning the close games because they're seemingly a culture, a moxie, an aura. Good, better, best never let wrestle. Good, better and better is best. They have that defense getting the ball back. For an offense that is going to become much, much better. This is the first step now. I guess this would be the second step. First step was like buying into the offense, being good by Caleb. Second step, starting to understand pre snap what the defense is doing, fully committing to play action. There's so much more. If you remember what Ben Johnson and Jared Goff were able to do in Detroit, this is the, this is the fundamental basis of this offense is being able to do this off of play action. Then all the other comes in. So whenever you talk about up and to the right, it's like Caleb and Ben Johnson, if they were able to work, we're going to be maybe unstoppable. Seems like they're getting to the point where they are going to work where we can confidently say that it's just how quickly do they become that absolute juggernaut that Detroit was? It might be soon. It is fun to watch what they're doing.
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Yeah, I think they're just scratching the surface. They're only 11 games in and you're sitting at 8 and 3. I don't think many people expected this. And Caleb Williams, he like when it's a high leverage situation, I feel like that's when he's playing his best ball. And that's, that's really. You rarely hear that for a young quarterback like him. So I think they're just scratching the surface with this offense. And yeah, it is a belief and a trust in something that you really haven't done your whole life. I would assume he ran a similar offense in high school in the gun up tempo, went to college, moved around the colleges but did similar things. So to get to the National Football League and now you're in a huddle, you got to command the huddle, you got to call plays, you got to be under center, you got to do play action. And he's handling it great. He has young guys around him as well. I think burden will continue to come along. Who's their first round pick this year? Another first round pick, Loveland. Obviously a lot of people made a lot of noise because we ended up with Tyler Warren, but I think he'll be, he'll be just as good. Like, he's unbelievable. You got to be a good blocker to play at Michigan, win the national championship, but you never saw his receiving skills when he was in college. And I think we're just kind of getting to the surface of that as well. And then we know who DJ Moore is. You know, a couple more touchdowns for him yesterday. But Caleb Williams, I couldn't be more impressed in what he's doing. And then defensive side of the ball, Dennis Allen and I got to give a shout out to Al Harris too, because everywhere he goes, that secondary plays better and better. And Deshaun Wright, this guy was on Minnesota's practice squad last year. Now he's, he's tied with his teammate Kevin Byard leading the National Football League. That's an unbelievable interception right there. He said he has some wide receiver and his background actually gave Antonio Brown, Tony Toe Tap a shout out for this play. But unbelievable play. And you mentioned it. It's not just the offense or just the defense. We always talk about teams taking on the identity of their coach and kind of playing complimentary football and winning these close ball games. And they've been doing it all year long, man. Caleb Williams already has the franchise record with fourth quarter comebacks. Like, I can't say enough about the Chicago Bears.
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I think they had a lot of injuries as well. This isn't like the full Chicago Bears team. And I have a chance to talk to obviously multiple Chicago Bears fans. Zito is living a high life. I assume they are very excited. He's getting stakes every Sunday because the Chicago Bears are getting big time wins. We also have another friend who lives in Los Angeles, but is a die hard Chicago Bears fan. Just the amount of, we're only getting better. We're getting guys back healthy. We don't even have any linebackers in the moment. We're only getting better at this time. They feel like, hey, we've been waiting a long, long time. And once you start to see those little sparks, little sparks of that offense looking like Jared Goff and Caleb looking like Jared Goff, it's like, man, what Ben and Jared were able to do first, adding what Caleb can do into that with Ben Johnson, knowing what Caleb can do. So now you got this type of shit happening and he's the head coach of the team, so he's not leaving. So you don't have to be, like, scared that we're going to have massive success here with a young quarterback and he's going to be gone. Because that's what happens with good offensive coordinators. They end up leaving. Ben Johnson leaves Detroit, goes to Chicag. So they could potentially only grow and grow and grow. Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes type. And I don't want to, like, get cart before horse, but that's very real, I think, at this point.
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C
No, their offense with their weapons is awesome. You guys talked about it and you talked about DJ Moore. Everybody knows DJ Moore except for the Steelers defense that just let him run straight down the seam uncovered. But like it. They have guys at literally every single position. You talk about Loveland, like, Cole Comet's still there too. And the wide receivers that they have. And now with Manungai, they have two backs and the O line is incredible to. But yeah, the. The defense, all their linebackers were out. And then what? Jalen Johnson's been out for a while.
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They.
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C
They have another starting guy in the secondary who's been out for a while. When they get all those guys back, they're only going to get better. And they're winning games right now and learning how to win games right now. So that's. That is really, really good thing for them.
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Yeah, I. Hey, good for Chicago. Yeah, I'm believing good for Chicago. And Caleb is going to be a guy, right? We're all on that boat.
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B
Absolutely.
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E
I was now. I was always. Never left.
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C
You were.
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A
He was. You are. You are very much worse. I was. I was on boat. Like, hey, Caleb's. Caleb's a guy. Caleb's a guy. Caleb's a guy. And then I saw Ben Johnson and heard stories about Ben Johnson, and then I saw the way it started and I was like, oh, this might not. This might not work out here for Caleb in Chicago. It might be another one of those stories of a guy having to find another home and then finding the right spot and doing his thing. And then the thought of Caleb just completely being able to transform how he thinks in a season and then it being to. Able very much on display. Like, you can literally just kind of watch it unfold in front of us. It's like, oh, no, they're only going to get better in this entire thing. I think it's a big look at from the Chicago Bears to everybody. Yeah, now we're just talking about the Rams. The Rams and McVeigh, Stafford and McVeigh. Are on like year what eight of this now?
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Seven, seven like that.
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Seven and eight of this offense being what it is, you know, and they had Devontae. It's like that's what you're thinking here with the Bears. It's like they're only if Ben and Caleb are together, the other pieces around it are like, okay, this is sustainable. This is like kind of sustainable.
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And people are going to want to go there. You know what I mean? People are going to want to go to Chicago. Like the first thing you look at, you know, free agency obviously after money is like, okay, how's the quarterback? Do I have a chance to win? How's the head coach? Do I like the culture? And everything we're seeing has been great. And we all heard a lot of things from Caleb Williams and saw a lot of things or people around his camp. You hear different things and it's like okay, Ben Johnson and because we all know how the personalities have to mesh. So I think that was a big question for a lot of people. And I don't know, maybe it's more I see like behind the scenes or like mic'd up where it's like, okay, I didn't expect certain things from Caleb Williams that I'm seeing now. And we all know he had the talent but it's so much more than talent that goes into it and he feels like he has all those things as well.
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C
And yesterday everything was on script. Like we know him for his off script stuff. He didn't do any of that yesterday. Now that could have been because people were running wide open but like everything was.
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So what's going on with you guys? Buddy Steelers, how's it stink? What? They stink N They're six and five.
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C
That's a fugaz.
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A
What?
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C
That's fool's gold.
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A
How about easy, don't get into fool's gold. Please don't be doing this.
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C
It's one of my favorite movies. Matthew Buchana Shout out that song.
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A
We're talking about though. We are talking about 2 max on a line babe. Pittsburgh Steelers. Though 6 and 5, there's been multiple years now where the Pittsburgh Steelers have had successful records, good records and Steelers fans have openly said into microphones that people are listening to and amongst the entire city and Steeler fan base itself, this team ain't good enough to win anything. This is fake. This is fake. That's how Steelers fans feel. If it doesn't look like it can win a Super Bowl, Steelers fans immediately know and they're looking for A reason to talk shit about you. And that is kind of where we've been with the Steelers team for a few weeks. Certainly after the way yesterday looks, it sounds.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And the defense, like the we talked about the was a month ago. It's like, oh, the defense is the worst. And then there was three or four weeks where they were getting. Getting better, and then they regressed. Yesterday everybody was riding running wide open. To those Steelers fans that said Mason should be the starting quarterback. You guys are idiots.
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B
Okay.
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C
I just want to say that out there, I think Aaron probably would have won the football game yesterday. But no, it's just everything's disjointed. We just showed Caleb throwing all those seam routes and everything over the middle. They don't throw over the middle because there's a chance an interception happen. Happens. And then third and five, they just let wide receivers run wide open at five yards because they're afraid of getting beat for something worse. Like, it's like you play the safest brand of football imaginable because that's how you try to. You try to win football games. That's not how you win football games these days.
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A
It's also tough to watch as a fan. If you told I had a coach tell me we're just trying to get one point more than the other team.
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C
Exactly. Yes.
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Can we try to get 30 more? That'd be a lot better. It'd be a lot better life for all of us if we were trying to do that. But that is a mindset. Hey, we play winning football. We play winning football. Should work out. While the Bears are playing winning football.
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E
They're above.500.
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A
Exists six and five could be worse.
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B
Tied first division.
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D
Still tied for the lead.
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Got it. Got it. The Ravens. Yeah. They didn't play their best game, get a win, but you guys got it going to the playoffs.
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C
The bucks were like 6 and 5 when they won the Super Bowl.
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A
Right.
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C
With Brady in that first year.
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B
That's right.
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C
So we can still do it.
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A
That's right.
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B
Good point.
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E
There we go.
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Think about the Giants story back in the day. Whenever they're going to Fire 97 and they won the Super Bowl.
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C
Hope I hate it.
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A
Especially when you're watching this team. It looks like. Yeah. Cuz he hasn't had for a few weeks, hasn't he?
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D
No, no.
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And the fan that he was talking about being an idiot was himself.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's a thing that just happened. Right. That's good accountability.
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B
And even when they had it, the Ravens were still favored to Win the division. Remember, we're all like, what the hell is going on?
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A
Yeah. Four game lead or something.
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B
Yeah.
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Sports like full gaze.
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D
Yeah, this team stinks.
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That's really what they're saying. All right, let's move on to the next headline, shall we? Ladies and gentlemen, number three, coming out of the Week 12 NFL Sunday slate. Although not all these teams won. Okay, There were some super duper special teams, wasn't there? Oh, yeah, there's some magical things that happened around. How about Evan McPherson, Money Mac of the Cincinnati Bengals? They would go on to lose to the Patriots by six, but McPherson would hit a 63 yarder in Cincinnati in November. A lot of long sleeves on, obviously out and around there. Cold time. Cincinnati, obviously very windy. 63, just becoming like a casual day in the NFL these days. Congrats to him. Let's continue with the long balls. Will Rikert here from the Vikings out of Alabama, as we all recall, he has four kicks of 59 yards or plus this season. That's the most ever. And that was one in Lambeau. That thing hooked at the end. He played the wind beautifully, this kid. Seemingly money from everywhere. The Vikings would go on to lose to the Green Bay packers, but it was still great kick.
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D
He scored all their points. And that was kind of, you know, like, I mean, it's massive when you have a struggling offense like that. When you can confidently put a guy out there and say, like, hey, this guy, he will be good from 59 to 60. So yeah, I mean, he was there. He was the best player on the field for them yesterday.
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And they have a dome. So him doing that in Lambo, obviously good for him. And nine struggling. Nine struggling.
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D
He stinks. Unfortunately. He needs a little bit of help, obviously, and I don't think it's right to put it all on him, but boy, just we talked about it. From what they were last year to what they look like this year. I kind of. I almost feel bad for nine because they just. They have no chance to win when he's playing, really. And I know he won a couple weeks ago, but when he plays like he did yesterday, shit, they'd have a tough time beating Michigan this year.
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So Michigan's getting good. Obviously. They are on this weekend. Ohio State this weekend. Can't wait to be up in Ann Arbor. Hembo sent us some stats here. Justin Jefferson, whenever he's being targeted under Kirk cousins had a 109.8. Sam Donald 108.1. J.J. mcCarthy, 47.4. I think that was Rude. There was other quarterbacks too. Hembo decided not to leave out like the pastronaut.
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D
Yeah, Joe Webb, Carson, Wayne, that form context as well.
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Yeah, there's a lot of context. He's saying. Yeah, Hembo's got stats and ideas and there's a lot of people saying that about nine. But Will Rikert, absolute dog. Let's go to a big time return in a losing effort once again. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. We shouldn't talk about it. Chimare DK takes one 88 yards against the Seahawks. Now there's not a lot to celebrate with the Tennessee Titans. Okay. Their brand kind of stinks right now. Nobody really trusts ownership to make the right decisions. They don't have a coach. But they have a special moment here with Jamari taking it to the crib in my cause. Mike Cleats, one of his friends who passed away from cardiac arrest had a foundation starter here, Kai Lermer Memorial fund and raising money in that front. So him running with his friend literally on his feet, I think was a very cool moment. That's a sweet moment. Obviously Dixon doesn't love it. The punter for Seattle, he hits a monster ball, it comes back. But that was a cool moment. Like as I learned the story, I almost got pretty emotional about it because there's not a lot going right for Tennessee that going right felt like it was a little bit of a thing. Congrats to him. That's big time return. Let's go to another big ball. How about Jake Bates in a winning effort from the Detroit Football Lions. The brand new Lions. Look at this kick from the back here. The old Lions, this ball would not be going in. New Lions. The brand new Lions. This ball goes in. Look at the snap. Great hold. Phenomenal by Fox. Slice, come back home. 59 yarder. Now that is the perfect depiction of the old Lions versus the new Lions.
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E
Amen.
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Old Lions. That thing hits the upright at least and doesn't go in so loud. New Lions, that thing kind of sneaks in, doesn't even touch the uprights because they don't want to celebrate or ruin the moment. 59 yards here from the greatest UXFL Super Duper football league alum in the history of the league.
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E
Yep, without a doubt.
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A
What a stud there he's former super duper Detroit Michigan Panther. There it is in the uxfl. They're doing good over there. Hey, come on. More balls.
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E
Better where they cranking up?
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A
I think there's, you know, there's a new league Coming.
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B
They pay their QBs.
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A
Maybe the Michigan Panthers no longer exist. What? Yeah, I'm sorry to say that.
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C
Didn't they fire all the GMs?
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D
They did. There will be one man who oversees all of the football ops, essentially for the league.
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So they're kind of going back to what the original X was, correct? Yeah. They need to put the X back into football. This guy's got it figured out. I'm sure of it. Let's go to the last. Actually, let's go to the highlight of all the highlights, a special teams highlight that needs to be watched for all of time. Five minutes left, left. Tie game, fourth quarter, gotta come out. And punt returner catches it on his one. Thank you, sir, for doing that. Now we have a chance to coverage. Oh, shit. Fumbo. Long snapper on the ball. First and goal from the six. They were once down, 21 points. Now in the fourth quarter on a special teams play, a special play happens. Look into Elijah Clark. Now, it's been shown a thousand times. We feel obligated to show it once again because there is a point that I have versus other people. As I was watching this highlight take place, they were showing a lot. Elijah Clark's effort here as Sidney Brown pushes him around. Great effort by Sidney Brown, too. Anytime you get a body on the floor on a return, that's good news. Elijah Clark refused to be denied, continued to chase, continue to follow. Helmet to the ball, fumble, go ahead and try to get some points. Now, that type of effort, it cannot be taught. That type of effort only comes from the soul of an absolute dog. Elijah Clark is everything that is great with football, was special teams football. As I'm watching it, as a former punter, I'm thinking to myself, yes, this is the man or ten of the dudes that we need. And I appreciate the fact that the entire NFL world, even the folks that weren't a part of special teams, were like, hey, the reason why you should be respecting what's going on. This guy was the best football player everywhere he's ever been. Elijah Clark walks onto the field. Holy hell, Elijah Clark's here. I assume since he's like eighth grade, I assume since like eighth, seventh, eighth grade, he's been the best player on the field. Then it gets to the NFL. Hey, the way you're going to make this team is by playing something you've never played before. You're going to have to run blindly down the field and try to cover somebody. How far is the run? Well, Anger's got a huge leg so maybe 60, 70 yard run and then also you're going to have to go across the field and then what else is going to happen? Well, you're going to get blindsided, pushed, and then there's going to be people trying to get you out of there. Yeah, but so what's the end game? Well, maybe you might possibly make the tackle. Only one person can make the tackle, but hopefully you'll be able to do it. So for him, superstar to buy into that and all the other guys that buy into specialty teams, it's the backbone of what football is, which is why we try to save special teams at every single turn. There's a lot of guys that only have jobs because of special teams. There's a lot of football plays that get made that are so special to football that if they were to not exist anymore, it would hurt the game. This is one of them. Elijah Clark, absolute do. God, give me that guy. Give me. Could you imagine this guy was your gunner and you were a punter. It would be amazing. And D butt, I think we were talking about this earlier. This is being shown by everybody.
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E
This will be shown in every special team, probably team meeting rooms because you mentioned a large chunk of the roster. This is how you make teams. This is how you stay in the league. And for me, honestly, I wasn't cut out for this shit. I was not made for special teams. And I realized that very early on in my NFL career. Fortunately, I was drafted high enough to where I could sabotage some of these special teams drills early and kind of get buried on all the bottom of the gunner depth chart. So I did do a Sidney Brown and I did do some returning early on. But this shit right here, like there's football games, you can play 50 snaps on defense, one special teams rep, like a punt rep or a kickoff rep. Old kickoff rep. Old kickoff rep. Those reps probably like 12 to 14 defensive snaps. As far as the physical and mental tolls it takes on you, because it is every guy out there, it feels like they're battling for their job in their NFL and their professional life. Life. And it's just a different breed. And this is a perfect example of that. And this was a winning play. I know it was very, very nice of you to show all those great efforts from those losing teams, but this is unbelievable play in a winning effort for a winning team.
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A
Great play, it was a winning effort. But obviously don't do anything. Whether they go for four, four times and they don't get a turnover on down it. But it was A. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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C
Yes.
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A
Which goes to the number two headline. Ladies and gentlemen, the Cowboys Comeback corrals the Eagles. A lot of different ways to use the C words in this particular title. We landed on this one. The Cowboys Comeback corrals the Eagles strictly because it was Philadelphia Eagles night. It was there. Jalen Hurts is bopping around scoring touchdowns. AJ Shoes and cleats look so awesome out there. Devontae's making big time plays. Sirianni's living the high life down in Jerry World. Hello, and welcome to the show. We are your super bowl champions. That's what it felt like. There were shots of Dak on the sideline taking his helmet off. And I actually thought to myself, maybe Dak isn't the guy that we've been talking about. Remember just a week ago, we were talking about the Dallas Cowboys holding Dak back?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, the conversation was always, is Dak holding back to Cowboys? How come nobody's ever talked about the Cowboys holding Dak back? That's where we were then. I watched the beginning of this game. I'm like, what an idiot.
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B
I was.
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D
This guy's face.
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A
That is not what it is at all. Boom. Fast forward to right before the half. Dak Prescott, George Pickens. What a trade this was by Jerry Jones. Now whenever DK Metc goes to Pittsburgh, we wondered if GP and DK were going to be able to eat on the same offense. They were not. George Pickens goes to Dallas, changes up his entire trajectory of his entire career on a contract year. Not only that. Touchdown. Let's go. 2114 in the fourth. George Pickens, spectacular catch, which is kind of what he does. This is literally what he does. He'll go up and get it. He's fast, he has great football iq and he feels like he's at home with the Dallas Cowboys. And Jerry Jones is at the stage of life where he's calling George. You know, we're very happy about George now. You know who else is happy about George? Dak Prescott. Fourth quarter, 2114. John Elway let me land on my neck and go absolutely apeshit here at Jerry World. 2121. Eagles can answer. There are super bowl champs. Jalen Hurts. Make something happen. Saquon Barkley, mvp, Dallas Cowboys recover now. What are they going to do with it? Nothing. Now they punt, send it down. We just watch this. Elijah Clark says, don't worry about it, Dak. Don't worry about it, boys. He'll catch the punt at the 1. Xavier Gibson, who is a very talented returner, Bad decision here leads to a worse outcome. Dallas Cowboys get it. First and goal on the seven in the fourth quarter. Five minutes left in the fourth. Oh, my God, they were down 21. All we need is Dak to just do something. Fourth and goal. Dak Prescott at shotgun from the one and a half. Scanning, throwing short. Not gonna do it. Turnover on downs. Holy hell. How do you not get something done? Well, don't worry about it. Eagles won't either. Third and two sacked by OSA Odigi Zuwa, friend of the program. Got paid. Absolute beat. Beast. Huge play. The Cowboys get the ball back. Dak Prescott hits a couple. Then he finds George Pickens once again to get in the field goal range in Brandon Aubrey. Is he from the uxfl?
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B
I think he's just from the streets, actually.
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A
I think he's from the football gods. Brandon Aubrey, he missed a kick earlier in the game. We were all very confused. He's gotten to that point where if he misses, we have no idea what the hell's going on. We all assumed he was going to make the game winner. He did. Congrats to the Cowboys getting a huge win after seemingly a historic collapse by the Philadelphia Eagles. D butt your talking point from this game. Dak and Dallas, very durable and tough or Philadelphia Eagles. This is exactly who we thought they were.
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E
A little bit of both. I still have the utmost faith in the Philadelphia Eagles to figure it out. But for the Cowboys to come out there, be down. You know, Shotty said it after the game. Yeah, we might have spotted him 21. You can't win in the game any other quarter but the fourth quarter. And that's what the Cowboys did. Dak Prescott has been dominant, especially at home against his divisional opponents. He's been unbelievable. And to go out. We talked about championship defenses coming to this game. This is what we felt about the Eagles, and I still think they'll figure it out. But George Pickens, man, him coming over here and the way that they use him in this off offense compared to what they used, how they used him in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, he was basically just a shot guy at the X. Now he's running across the middle. He's getting matched up on slot defenders. He's on the outside, he's on the inside. And right now he's wide receiver one in Dallas. And I think after this season looks like he's probably the highest paid wide receiver in the National Football League. I don't know if it'll be in Dallas because of what they paid to cd, but he is that type of talent. He's just unbelievable. Go to guy that you can throw the ball anywhere around and three is going to come down with it.
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A
Yeah, you talk about three need money. Well, Jerry will figure that out, won't he, Ty?
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D
Yeah, I think it's time we maybe give Jerry a little bit of credit. You know, people have been killing him all year, but I think this is one of the rare instances where you look at the Micah Parsons trades and like, both teams won that trade. Packers got what they needed. Cowboys early on this year, maybe not so much, but it enabled Jerry to kind of go and get Quinn and Williams and their, their defense. I mean, we knew what their offense was very early on this year. It was, hey, Cowboys are going to score 50 points a game to win. And, you know, now after the trade deadline, they have some of those pieces in play place. And I think Jerry knew all along, like, hey, there, there is a way that I can kind of remake this team during the, you know, during the season. And people can keep talking about Micah, you know, and how, how big of a mistake that was.
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A
Good.
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D
He's unbelievable. He is. But I think you could also argue that the Cowboys probably are better off, you know, without him with the guys they brought in. So, yeah, I mean, if, if you're looking at everything right now, I, I, I think the Cowboys are one of those teams where, like, you don't want to play them right now with how their defense is playing. We know what their offense can do, and we'll see what happens on Thursday. That's a massive game.
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Hair looks amazing. Con man. Oh, thank you very much. You know, I saw it there. It was shining, it was glistening. It looks unbelievable. Cowboys might be for real. And I know that sports media fans don't love that. And we might fall into sports media world 21 point comeback the way they do it. SH's wearing a backward visor in the, in the thing afterwards. And George Pickens making these plays week in and week out.
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E
It's like not for N targets 9K. Outrageous.
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B
Filthy.
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A
Stafford started what, 11 for 11.
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B
Yes.
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A
Outrageous. All right, number one, go ahead.
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D
I was just gonna say, I think there's also something very real about, like, playing for something bigger than everything with, like, after Marshawn Nealon passed away, like you saw late in the game, they're waving his flag. We saw what happened against the Raiders. Like, that can galvanize an entire state almost, you know, and like Cowboys nation. And I think that's exactly what's happened.
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A
Yeah. And you can also, I Mean, obviously, that certainly perspective. And we're in this thing together for our guy here. But also, whenever Micah gets traded away, they're told they're trash.
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D
Yeah, exactly.
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Basically told they can't win. That could be a lot of bunker mentality down there in Dallas in the number one headline. I don't like it because we know what this is supposed to be. Okay. Every time we've done this after a Colts win, number one has been the Colts going to win a Super Bowl. Well, turns out maybe not. Chiefs is still the Chiefs. And a lot of flags in this game. You know, we got a lot of them. A lot of good calls. A lot of good calls. I put out a tweet. Lot of flags. A lot of flags is what I said. And I got a lot of people saying, but who's getting the calls? It's like we were actually getting calls in Kansas City against Kansas City. I think that is something that should be talked about. But then we weren't too at times. Tough to watch this game. Tough to watch this game. Especially early if you're a Colts fan. It looks easy. Michael Pittman Jr. Takes a couple hits. Daniel Jones delivers some dimes. How you doing? We're having a good time. 7 3. Let's go ahead and get it back. Well, Ashton Doolin, actually. Guy you probably never heard of stud for us. Great on special teams. Oh, yeah. And a weapon with his speed. Yeah, he's gonna go for about 30, 40, 50, and then we're gonna throw it to 6 foot 5, 265 pound ogletree, who has the sweet feet. It's 143 in Kansas City. Got Tony Romo telling me this is DEFCON 10.
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Yeah.
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For the Kansas City Chiefs. Let's go to 20 to nine. Fourth quarter, you're up 11 against the Chiefs. Oh, Kareem Hunt, he's going to score a touchdown.
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That's a good deal.
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That's all right. They're going to do that two point conversion now to make it a three point game. Just got to get a stop. Oh, he's wide enough now. Listen, they weren't even able to do their play. They were doing against us the entire game, which is just crossing routes. These dudes were just running crossing routes. We couldn't keep up with them. Rasheed Rice going one way, Xavier Worthy going the other way. Rasheed Rice going one way, Xavier Worthy going. This is all they did the whole game. The whole game moved. Rooney sauce. We got him. We got two corners. Well, they're in track meets because they're trying to keep up with some of the fastest guys in the league. Running across the field. And Patrick Mahomes and the boys get a field goal to tie it. We get the ball first. Zaire Franklin wins the toss, takes the ball first. Tony Romo immediately points out why he wouldn't do that. But I think I'm a ball first type guy. We go three and out. What does Patrick Mahomes do? Well, just like he did at the end of the fourth quarter, Worthy crossing round. I mean, it's just every time, every time, that's all. And here's Rasheed Rice. Guess what's going to happen again from the other side of the fucking field. That's all they did the whole time. They just did it the whole time. It was very obvious, like early, like, oh, shit, we're not going to be able to keep up with these guys. They have track stars running across the field and it's like this is what Patrick Mahomes and this Chiefs team can be whenever they have healthy and explosive weapons. I think that's what they've shown in the past. Feels like the coach ran into that. Harrison Buckner not only hits the game, tied the game tire that he kicked. Kicked at the end of the fourth quarter. They got the ball like their four yard line. Yep. And they drove that thing for four minutes and 30 seconds right down the field against us. And then they kicked that game tire. And then obviously we knew once they got the ball in the overtime up. Here we go again. It's Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, wrap up this first 15 is an absolute legend, a Michigan man in the NFL Insider that we call every week to let us know what the hell's going on.
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Adam Schefter, gentlemen, what's going on?
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She. Thank you for hanging out with us. Let's hit some things that we weren't able to cover. Baker Mayfield AC sprain joint. That is what it came. Did he come into the game with that or did it happen last night? Feels like he was doing this often and early.
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Yeah, no, he's been banged up this year. I don't know exactly what was wrong going into the game, but I've been told that he had been pretty banged up all season long. More so than I think people realized last night. Obviously that shoulder got worse. Whether it was the same injury, aggravated, whatever it was, he went down there. They took X rays, no fracture, nothing structurally wrong. Now he's going for the MRI in about a half hour, 30 minutes from now, and that should tell more. But the way it was told to me, they're not ready to rule him out Sunday, which again, you see him go down there, you see him grabbing his shoulder, I'm thinking like, well, how many weeks is this be going to to be? He's on the sidelines in street clothes, in a sling. Like, it looks like it's a multiple week injury to me. But in speaking to them today, they say they're not ready to rule him out for Sunday, and they think there's a chance he could wind up playing. We'll see what happens with the mri.
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We know Baker Mayfield just like a Ram truck. He's damn tough. I mean, that is just a matter of fact. And it felt like he was doing that early last night. That's why I thought maybe came into us something and. And they wouldn't let him play if there was any structural damage. So it felt like a sprain in there. Incredibly painful. Obviously, Baker's tough. We hope we get a chance to see him. Tough outings. Speaking of tough outings, let's talk about New England's win yesterday.
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Yeah. Chef D. Left tackle Will Campbell and left guard Jared Wilson both hurt. Will Campbell, knee. Jerry Wilson, ankle. What are we looking at as far as timetables and are both these guys going to hopefully be able to come back?
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Yeah, I think. Well, Rabel today talked about the fact that they don't. He doesn't think it's season ending. And I think if you look at the schedule, I wouldn't expect that e player would play a week from tonight against the New York Giants on Monday Night Football. But the Patriots have their buy in week 14, the week after. So I think at the very least, you give these guys, they don't play Monday, they get the bye week off, and then you're reevaluating them in two weeks to see whether or not they can get back out there. It sounds like it's gonna be a little bit longer on Will Campbell. We'll see how it all shakes out. Not a great day for the left side of the Patriots offensive line, but it's, again, doesn't sound like it's long term for either player.
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Okay, we're happy to hear that, especially because those are two young guys in that team obviously up and to the right. Let's talk about a little bit of an older gent, the oldish gent, actually. Go ahead, Tom.
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Yeah.
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Chef D. Aaron Rodgers, obviously, that left wrist. We saw him practicing last week before the Bears game. I Was told he took all the first team reps on Friday for the Pittsburgh Steelers and then he does not go on Sunday. Who's this? I was it the doctor's decision because we were told Aaron wanted to go. What was the situation?
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Well, my understanding was that Aaron did want to play. He was pushing to play all week long and that the doctors were obviously more cautious and guarded. I think ultimately in the end the doctors and Mike Tomlin make the call about whether or not he's going to go and they decided on Saturday to hold him out of the game. Some of the players didn't know until Sunday pre game exactly what was going to happen, but they made the decision on Saturday to start Mason Rudolph and they also made a decision sound like they think Rogers could be back this upcoming week. It sounds like that is real possible that he has a real possibility of playing on Sunday. They need him back. They lost yesterday. You know, he's really impressed them this year, just the way he's carried himself, his toughness, the whole thing. And I would think that he is back this week.
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Man, the landlord definitely wanted to go back home maybe for one last trip. We'll be excited to see what ends up happening for the rest of the season for the Pittsburgh Steelers in his career. You know what ends tough loss to Chicago Bears who might be for real. Let's talk about somebody for real being out next week and the week following and the week following and the week following moves in Las Vegas. Go ahead D. Bud.
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Yeah.
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Chip Kelly came over from the Ohio State Buckeyes after winning national championship. Highest paid coordinator now fire for the Las Vegas Raiders. I just want to know, is Pete Carroll safe after this season? What are your thoughts and vibes going on in Vegas right now?
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Look, well, Pete Carroll's never fired an assistant coach in season in his entire time in Seattle and now they fired two different coordinators here in about two plus weeks. They fired their special teams coach and now they fired Chip Kelly last night. I, I look, I think it's clear like nobody seems to be safe right now out there on the coaching staff. I think everything's up in the the air. I think the season has not gone the way that a lot of people would have hoped. It's been disappointing in a lot of different ways. You lose to the Browns at home like that, give up 10 sacks, everything's going to be called into question.
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Let's talk about the Browns. Kevin Stefanski kind of why do you do that? Why do you just come out and say, hey, this is Cool.
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I'm out of here.
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I'll tell you why.
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First rookie since when to win 1995.
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To win their debut for the Browns.
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And I know he didn't go for 300, whatever. And stats are, we're trying out to figure find, you know, it's hard to find all that, but still at quarterback, the position, the vibe to win a game like that, especially for Cleveland. Now, granted, he's saying a lot of things that people are like, relax, okay? You need to. But that's not Shador. Like, that is not what Shador is. Which could be exactly what Cleveland Browns need, which is actually what he said in his pregame interview before his first start. He's getting interviewed. Okay. I don't even know how that would happen. A fifth round pick, a fresh rookie quarterback right before his first ever start, he's getting a pregame interview. I don't know if that's ever happened for anybody ever before or whatever happen again. And she goes, what are you trying to prove or show here to your fans, your team and everything? I'm who they've been waiting for or something like that. It's like, what a bar right there, right before you go out there. Now, I'm not saying they're going to go undefeated with him. I'm not saying they're going to win next week. What I am saying, though, is felt like Stefanski just. There wasn't a single moment of like, yeah, we. That was a good moment for our team. Why is that? A lot of people are wondering that she.
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Yeah, well, I.
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Listen, I, I think. And I know a lot of people are up in arms with the way Kevin Stefanski. He has treated Shador Sanders. I think he's been quietly supportive behind the scenes. Like, he's worked with them every single day. He supports.
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There's. It's.
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This is not a personal thing. People say, well, why didn't he name him the starter after the game? Well, how about. How about, like, does anybody think Shador.
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Is not going to start this week?
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I think we all do. But give the head coach some time to go back, look at the film, talk to the staff, talk to the players. How about letting Dylan Gabriel know, hey, we're going to take another look at Shador this week before you announce it to the press. After the, like, there's little steps that you have to follow. Everybody wanted him to be anointed right after the game, and I can't imagine that he wouldn't start this upcoming week. That, to me would be a surprise, considering that they won the game. He played well, a little bit of momentum. Nice to see you saw Miles Garrett's reaction after that long pass. That might have been the first long pass he's seen in Cleveland left in the last decade. I mean, he was like, oh my God, that's what happens when you complete a long pass. Wow, exciting. So I think he starts, but I don't think Kevin Sabansky had to come out and say that after the game yesterday.
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All right, all right. I appreciate you. You're the best. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Megan. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL Insider for espn. Adam Schefter, this is Marshawn Lynch, AKA.
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Football is the greatest. We're lucky to talk about it. And obviously the Sunday slate For the Week 12 NFL season was spectacular. A few overtime games, a massive comeback, some super duper special special teams, which is obviously amazing. And tonight, week 12 wraps up in Santa Clara, California is the San Francisco 49ers will host the Carolina Panthers, a seven and a half point favorites. Now, this Carolina team's young and good, and we say young because we don't know any of them really. You know, like Bryce Young. He gets drafted into the NFL out of Alabama. This guy's the Steph Curry of football. He's got an incredible sense of feel and his explosive plays are outrageous. Then he comes in a little, you look small. He gets beat up and they stink. Everybody says this guy is not going to be able to be good. He actually gets benched at one point. Andy Dalton goes in. Then Bryce Young last year goes back in. After watching Andy Dalton maybe getting a refresh button, reset button. With Canales as the head coach and a play caller before that was at Tampa with Baker Mayfield did what he did. And Bryce Young and them have kind of built a culture, They've kind of built an identity. And they've got wins that none of us really would have expected. Getting seven and a half points against the San Francisco 49ers team that is obviously, obviously one week removed from Brock Purdy coming back and putting on an absolute clinic with all the weapons that they have, defenses without Bosa and Fred Warner, but still been able to kind of halt people whenever they need to. The Niners could potentially go on to win a Super bowl this year. They got money in a lot of different places. Tough injuries, but still a lot of money in a lot of different places, especially ones that you need. George Kittle, we can obviously assume that he'll be dancing tonight in the paint and then Juice will soon. He'll be doing some stuff. Christian McCaffrey will be a good explosive San Francisco 49ers team. Go win a super.
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Sure.
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We find out tonight if they can handle the Carolina Panthers. And his Carolina Panthers team could tell the world tonight. We're actually a real team. We're not the joke that you guys thought we have been. We're not the team whose owner is throwing ice on people anymore or the owner who on his drive to work local stores are using their signs to say terrible things about it. We're not that team anymore. We are a team where our owner actually donated the entire stadium and everything to hurricane relief fund. He actually tries to take care of the community. Now he's giving back. Got staying hands off a football thing. We got a general manager, Dan Morgan, who I don't think he's blinked since becoming the Carolina Panthers general manager. Former linebacker for Miami. Okay. Yes. The U is where he Was a linebacker and he has not shut his eyes one time until this Carolina Panthers team could be a team that he would like to to say I'm the one who put this together. Canales the head coach he's doing his thing. They are a team. So are the Niners obviously. Talks tables here at boss of Connor and that Ty Schmidt 1/2 of the Hammer Cowboys AP Tony's here. What was that stat About 60% of the bets. And what's everybody seeing tonight?
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Yeah, teams this weekend that were getting 60% or more of the bets against the spread were 27 and 1 and tonight the 9.
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Against the spread?
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Yes, against the spread. Sorry. Tonight the Niners would fall into that category. They're at 61, 62% somewhere around there.
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Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler. Your thoughts on the numbers we just heard and it's not just two seven and one this week. D Bud.
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Yeah, it's been feels like almost like it would getting worse which I don't love but I think it's going to be. I think we're we're in for a banger tonight. It's a big game for both of these teams obviously both the winning records fighting for. Yeah to get kind of obviously after Rams what they did the Niners got to stay in contention with that NFC West West. So I think we're, we're due for a banger tonight.
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The Irish.
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Oh he had team at 130 or 140 last week.
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He's got a hilarious catch radius this guy. He is fun to watch. And Bryce Young, everything they said about him turns out if he's not just getting crushed every play. Yeah he does. He does operate an offense pretty pretty damn good. His Armtown special.
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Crazy how that worked.
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And they move into first place in.
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The division if they win any AFC South.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Banged up acre.
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Oh yeah.
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Seven and a half the time is now.
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That feels like a lot of points. Joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who's a college football national champion, super bowl champion, Rider cup winner, massive Don Morgan fan. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J.
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Hawk.
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You're right, I am a massive Dan Morgan fan. Have been for a long time. It's no surprise that he has Carolina kind of rolling in the right direction.
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Yeah, it feels like he's got a culture in place. Rico Dowdle also very explosive weapon in the backfield. Let's talk about the San Francisco 49ers team though. We just saw Brock and we actually had a train. I think the last time we did. This was like the Brock Purdy train is back and everybody's happy, you know, and it's like Shanahan was in there doing his thing. The rest of the offense was behind him. And it's like, this is why Brock Purdy got paid a couple hundred million dollars to play quarterback in this system. Yes, people have been good with Shanahan. Brock Purdy seemingly better than everybody else because his decision making, his ball placement, men, everything about him screams and radiates the Shanahan offense. And then, you know, we immediately see seven and a half points with a shiny new object and we go, oh, wait a minute. I like this Carolina Panthers team. I don't know if a lot of people know about this Carolina Panthers team. What are your thoughts on tonight's game as we wrap up week 12 of the NFL slate?
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I mean, you're right. Purdy does. Purdy and Kiddo obviously have a great connection with Juice. Juice, check. And then you, you throw CMC in there. Yeah. Their offense is definitely something that it's not easy to stop. But I don't know, like, seven and a half definitely feels like a lot. I feel like Carolina people have, I don't know, is it a recency bias of, like the last couple years or they just don't, they don't think that Carolina and Bryce Young can, Can get it done. But, I mean, Ted McMillan, that guy has been awesome all year long. Like you said, Dowdle, I, I'm gonna have a hard time here with this one tonight. I don't know which way I'm leaning, but I'm probably leaning Carolina if I had to tell you right now.
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Okay, that's good news because you are seeing it right now. I don't know if you know this. We talked about this the first hour. 93, 3 and 1 on weekend.
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Wow.
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I was glad to turn on the program and see this. I was glad that I, I, I really didn't know. I wasn't sure. I thought I could have had. It was one of those games with all the, the spreads were so big. It was one of those weeks where I. Who knows which way it goes?
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Yeah, it was a great Sunday slate, though. Had a couple overtime games. Obviously, the massive comeback. Let's talk about the Dallas Cowboys. Philadelphia Eagles from your perspective. Obviously, that Dallas Cowboys defense just turns off the hose, just says, nope, I don't think so. So anymore. What an impressive bunch of stops that they had. Obviously late. And then Philadelphia Eagles are, Are we.
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To play with the lead? Man, it's tough to play with the lead, I guess, huh?
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Is it. I don't know, like, it'd be cool to be able to do that. But I do know whenever some of these stats come out, and I'm not Saying now, that 21 zip is outrageous in this state of college football, it does feel like we're getting bigger comebacks than maybe ever before, because the talent level on the offensive side, in the rules, maybe in the style of game and everything like that. But there's always these stats that come out like teams that were in this position were 4001 or whatever. It's like, it's not like sometimes whenever we see these big leads, it's like the reason why it's such a big deal is because normally these teams win. Philadelphia Eagles feel like a team that should win a game whenever they're up 21 nothing. Especially against a rival, especially at this time of the year. Thanksgiving is in three days. Happy Thanksgiving week, everybody.
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Happy Thanksgiving.
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So it's like, you would think that this team would be able to put a team away, especially with who they are. I mean, this team is the super bowl champs. This team is Philadelphia Eagles. They're expected to do their thing. Multiple MVP type conversations, multiple number one wide receivers. A defense that has been menacing to everybody for the last couple years with Vic Fangio on the call, and then they just seemingly collapse. Age. And you have to wonder, and I don't like doing this. There's so much drama in this team, man. So much drama. So once that thing starts going the other way, like, is there enough to like, kind of stop it and go the other way? You know what I mean, Jay? Like, I. I don't love all the shit that goes on with their team, just in general. I think it's too much distraction for. To win football. But they won a Super bowl in the middle of it all, so it's like they kind of debunk all that. But it is like all that drama, at some point it shows up. I'm not saying yesterday, but maybe it was yesterday.
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You know, this play right here, Geez, that play right there was gigantic. Unbelievable. Way to. Way to retrace and track him down. And just a beautiful punch on the ball. He's not. Not a whole lot Saquon could do about that.
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Okay, so on the play, but how about on the entirety of The Philadelphia Eagles? A.J. i just talked.
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Yeah, yeah, I get, I get. I get distracted by great defensive plays. And these Cowboys were doing it in the second half. Defense, especially in special teams, we know that It's a full team. Here we go. Flu. Remember a couple weeks ago, talked about him showing signs of life on the sidelines and getting all jacked up. Like, I think he's starting to field a little bit right now.
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Okay, so you're more pro Cowboys than Eagles were worried is what it says.
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Eagles are a weird situation. Like, it is a weird thing. And when the Cowboys went down and scored right before half, you're thinking, like, all right, you know, now we're going into half. Even though you have a 217 lead, the momentum has kind of flipped to the other team, to the home squad. And I think Dak is a great, like, you know, calming influence that makes plays. But this Eagles team, I don't know, I don't, I don't fully get it. Maybe they feed off the chaos, the drama, all that. But at some point, I guess it gets to, like a tipping point to where you can't really, I don't know, you just don't find a way to win games like this that you should win.
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Exactly. And when you win, by the way, it all just kind of. They're winning. We even say it like, hey, they got all this going on that nobody else really has going on.
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Doesn't matter.
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They're winning.
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Yeah.
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And they're the super bowl champs. They can do whatever. Obviously, you lose this one, especially up 21, it's going to grow a little bit, it's going to get louder. But if they were to lose a couple games in a row, it'd be like, is this team lost it? Whatever it was. That worries me. We've seen teams in the past have locker room struggles and completely change it. And I'm not going to speak from anything other than my own experiences as a fan. The Indiana Pacers, okay. They're playing the Heels. You remember those days?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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That whole team.
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Yep.
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I mean, everybody on that team. Roy, Paul, Lance, George, I mean, you just, you go through that roster. They were awesome to watch. Awesome to watch. Something happened. Still don't know. I, I outside locker room, do not know. Something definitely happened in locker room. Team dead. Everybody's gone. Never happens again. Personal. Something happened in, in the locker room with either disagreements or not liking or something like that. It's like that locker room, is there ever going to be sympatical, you know, and I think you need that. But they proved, I guess, last year that you don't need that. But it's like, I think you need, like, I think you need high morale amongst the Boys, especially in a long ass NFL season.
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Yeah.
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And that's why I guess they can just say we won last year with this type of stuff happening. But it's always loud over there and, and I don't, I don't know how they operate within it, to be honest.
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Yeah, you definitely gotta like each other. I just hate how much I guess we know or we hear about what's going on in the locker room. I think Jason Kelsey May came out this past weekend or maybe it was an older podcast, something he recorded. But he talked about how he kind of fell out with Lane Jots. And I think they didn't speak for like an entire offseason. They're like damn near brothers. So like shit like that happens. Everybody's not going to be best friends every day. But this is a team that has been the two super bowl in the last three or four years. So we're, you know, sitting here, you know, towards Thanksgiving where, hey, this is where teams kind of start to show who they are down the stretch. And I still think we're going to see this from the Eagles because of the talent they have, but just very similar to like Steelers fans. And they can look at their team and look at a record and know, okay, okay, that is either winning football or it's not. Same with the Eagles. Like with Saquon, you got a 21 point lead and he has 10 carries with 22 yards. Like, that's insane. He hasn't been running the ball well this entire season, like until they find their stride there. I think Jalen hurts. He can throw the ball. AJ Brown can be great, devonte Smith can be great, but that's kind of the backbone of who they are. We're going to out physical you up front. We're going to play great defense and then we're going to hit explosive plays when we need to. And they haven't been doing, but they still been winning games up to this point. I'm still, you know, I still have the utmost confidence in the Eagles down the stretch.
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Okay. I don't know if I do anymore. Just, I don't know. I love their team. I appreciate the fact that they're able to somehow remain focused with all this shit always happening around them. And they weren't, they're super bowl champs for a reason. There's some stats coming out now. Lane Johnson, remember plantar fascia, I believe, sprain, which is the lining of your foot. It's very painful since 2013 when he plays 120, 62 when he doesn't play 15, 25. So going back to your point about running the ball and everything like that, whenever they have a great offensive line, which they had obviously last year, best in the league, they can win, they do a lot of damage. This year without Lane Johnson doesn't work. And what is Landon's last name?
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It is Dickerson with a D. Yeah.
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A
Why?
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F
Why do you ask?
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A
No, I just didn't know. I, I, I've been hearing different things. I, I just, I, I what? Oh, immediate sweating of the mouth. Oh, yeah, I believe immediate, immediate sweating of the mouth. Probably a couple drips. Never saw that guy sweat one time playing football. Nope, didn't see. Always perfect. I assume when that happened, there was at least one or two. There was just kind of moistness coming up here. The mouth just. Oh, my God. That's it. That's it. You see his name? Oh, let's move along and hope he doesn't get on camera again. Let's just keep it moving. Landon Dickerson, Hell of a player.
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B
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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A
Football player. Eagles like 210 and lost outright to the Cowboys, obviously. You saw this analytics. I don't know what any of this means. I don't know anything. It's hard for me to tell. You know, I, I guess it just goes from, like, at this point of a game when a team was up, like, this much, this is what the outcome was, and then kind of just changes. So to your, to your point about.
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B
Yeah, duh.
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C
In history, if you're leading by this much with this much time left, here's.
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A
Your odds to win, here's the percentage. All right. Joining us now is a man who might have the stats. We don't know. Maybe he's an Emmy Award winner. That's right, Ladies and gentlemen, a man who knows everything about everywhere, Peter Schrager.
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B
Yes.
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A
Hey, good haircut. I think you cut a little bit shorter. It looks good. He looked very spry on TV this morning, brother.
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G
I cleaned it up a little bit, and I knew I was coming on your show, so I made sure I got pretty, baby.
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A
Let's go. Oh, get pretty. I like that. We appreciate that. Obviously, we're talking about the Philadelphia Eagles right now. Obviously. Dallas Cowboys, incredible comeback. Wow. Yeah, we saw the graphic, man. Hey, Little. No chance here. Whenever that was, how it was, 21, nothing or whatever, not able to really do much until right before half when George Pickens scores a touchdown. But the Dallas Cowboys could be all the way back. They got a road, they got a path. And Jerry Jones believes they can make the playoffs. I assume they do as well. Happy for Shoddy, happy for Dak. What a comeback win for the Philadelphia Eagles, though. It's just so loud all the time. They thrive in that. Like, that's kind of AJ's take. AJ's, like, maybe they thrive in the chaos. Maybe they need the controversy and maybe that's just how that job is. Do we think that's weighing into anything that's happening with their team? Or do we strictly believe maybe that, like, Petula maybe doesn't understand what he needs to do as much it's his first year as offensive coordinator? How do you kind of view the Philadelphia Eagles and what we saw yesterday and what we're seeing as a whole with them?
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G
Yeah, you can't take away those wins that they've had. So those are in their back pocket, and those are over the Rams and over the Bucks and over the Cowboys one time. But then the Chiefs in Arrowhead and the packers in Lambo. So, like, those are in their back pocket. But it's fair to question what the hell is going on with the offense. They were up 21, nothing. And it's like, all right, they're on all cylinders. Gone since that point yesterday, they only totaled 107 yards and they never advanced past the Cowboys 38 yard line. They had three, three and a half outs. They fumbled the ball, they missed a field goal and they committed so many penalties. And here's what I'll say about Kevin Petullo. He comes from that Frank Reich tree. He comes there from Nick Sirianni when he was with Phil Rivers and they were with the Colts. They used to throw the ball all over the yard and Sirianni and Reich likes to throw the ball. They used to do motion. They used to. You're not seeing any of it. You're seeing basically, can AJ and Devonte go one on one one? Can they make their plays? Can Saquon break a tackle? And that's the off. Like, this is not a guy who just woke up and was handed the job here. This is a guy who's had a career learning about offenses and designing offenses. And I don't think it's necessarily by design that this is the offense that it is. It seems like maybe this is what he thinks is their best chance to win, given what they've got at the quarterback spot and what they've got going with offense. Like, trust me, he knows how to do all the stuff that we see, all the bells and whistles. They're not even trying to. It so that's the red flag to me. Like, why not give this offense a chance to do something creative? Why not give this offense a chance to run some of the exotic stuff that his offenses have run before?
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A
Yeah, it feels like it's very loud around that offense, mostly. But Philly, maybe. This is how the Johns operate down there. And we know Nick Sirianni is the guy that can handle it. All right? Last year, there was A.J. brown chatter. There was other conversation. When they won a Super bowl, two wide receivers are the ones dumping a Gatorade. I think that sends a big message, as does every quarter cryptic tweet that AJ Brown puts out.
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E
Yeah, Sirianni and Big Dom. Exactly.
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A
People are saying Big Dom needs to take Pula down there to a local spot and not bring him back. That's what they're saying. Oh, seeing that, I saw a couple of tweets from people. They're like, what does Big Dom actually do? Is he. Is he trying to take care of the Eagles? Well, why does he take care of Petulo then? And that could potentially be something for the good of the entire city. You saw Tom playing catch with A.J. brown.
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B
Yes.
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A
You see, he was two feet away.
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B
Away from Tom, who's that big.
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A
I was like, of course I was watching. I'm like, of course. You said Big Dom orchestrated making sure.
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C
Not giving away information.
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B
He's got some of the organ ducking.
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C
That should be against the rules.
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D
I was gonna say it's a bit of a conflict of interest.
- [76:21]
E
Still looks good.
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A
Yeah, he does. He said it was nice to see it come out of hand, you know, a little bit, actually, whenever he was talking about it.
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B
AJ Brown also noted, huge Patriots fan growing up, so I assume this was like a childhood memory moment for A.J. brown.
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A
And I'm sure A.J. brown thought of some cryptic tweets to put out while he was playing catch with Tom, or some other people did, at least as soon as they saw this go, oh, no, this means post game. It was nice in warm ups to be able to catch a well thrown football. You know, something like that. That's all I thought of. That's all I thought of when I was watching. I'm like, oh, no, Big dawn better get to the bottom of that. Also, why is Big. Of course Big Dom is here? People in Philly are saying, big Dom, let's go ahead and not just, you know, play a little hanky panky with Tom Brady. Let's also maybe go over Petullo and say, hey, we need to go get some. Let's go get some mozzarella. You know, let's go see.
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B
Got some cinder blocks to move.
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A
Let's go see. You do, actually.
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B
Yeah.
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A
All right, let's move along. Philadelphia Eagles. Interesting spot. AJ Has a question for you, Shregs.
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D
Yeah.
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F
What about the. The Rams and Matthew Stafford? We know that you are. You're tied into that whole organization, that franchise. Sean McVeigh, what do you think? Like, are they playing their best ball? Are they. Are we about to see this team get even better? Because Matt Stafford looks very heavy, healthy, very comfortable. Obviously, Puka, the weapons. Devonte, what's your outlook for this. This Rams team right now?
- [77:34]
G
You just hope they're not peaking too early. What they're doing right now is a historic, historic, you know, run through the NFL. Listen to this stat I got today. They have not trailed since first quarter of the Baltimore game. That's five games and three quarters since they've been behind by any points at all. And that's against five teams that are currently in the playoffs. The Ravens, the Jags, the Saints, the Niners, the Seahawks, the Bucks. They don't trust stafford. You saw 25 touchdowns, zero interceptions is the pace he's on right now. He's got 30 and two on the year. And Devonte Adams seems to be going to the time machine and looks as good as ever looked. Then you go to the defensive side of the ball and they're menaces. They were all over Baker Mayfield and Teddy Bridgewater last night. And I tweeted today about Emmanuel Forbes, who is a guy that, you know, Ron Rivera took in the first round in Washington and was released by the commander. Meanwhile, yesterday, he had seven targets at him and there were zero passes completed. Emmanuel Forbes is playing like he's one of the best corners in all of football right now. This team is working on all cylinders. And then you get thicker. The kicker who they had yesterday, this guy doesn't miss either. So now you've got all three facets and you've got your special teams issues of seemingly taken care of. I don't know, A.J. i look at it, it's like you just don't want to peek too soon because they are doing everything you could possibly want to do. It just might be a little too early.
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A
Right.
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G
Right now.
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F
I guess I don't know if you're needing me or not, if you're looking for a response or not, Shregs, but I feel like you could peek too soon. Just stay healthy. If you can find a way to keep your key guys healthy. You're gonna be fine.
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G
Look at that.
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E
We were just doing. That was tv.
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A
That was tv, Pat.
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G
We.
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F
Yeah. No, he's getting to my.
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A
I thought so. I thought. Yeah, I thought he's trying to throw it over to you there. AJ Said, listen, I agree with everything you're saying. I agree with everything you're saying, but it is. It's fascinating. Shout out to Harrison Beavis. I think he went to Missouri, if I do recall. Obviously throughout college became thicker. The kick. The thicker kicker. Kicker. The thicker whatever it is. Because he's big lad. He's a big lad. Pure swings yesterday. Pure ball flight.
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G
Wearing number 92.
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A
Respect. I don't like the McFay did that to him or whatever the case was. But we're talking like, smooth, smooth ball flight. And I'm happy for him. I'm also happy for Matthew Stafford. And we talked about. In the first hour, you might know a little bit more.
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D
More.
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E
I listen.
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A
What was that super duper trailer park thing you went into there?
- [79:51]
G
Immortal.
- [79:52]
A
Yeah, what is that? What is the Immortal? Do you know?
- [79:55]
G
That was from training camp. And everyone was making jokes like, all right, what's going to happen with this thing? I think sales have to be going up tenfold since the way he started the season. I have no idea what that thing is. I will tell you this. I was hosting get up in late August, and the debate we were having was, should. Should the Rams go with Jimmy Garoppolo to start the season? Season over Matthew Stafford? And it was a legitimate debate because we hadn't seen Stafford take the field yet. And it was like, do you put a guy in? And then Collinsworth last night, it's like, you know, I'm not gonna do a Collinsworth impression. But basically, Collinsworth was saying they weren't sure.
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A
Could you, though? Do you have one?
- [80:30]
G
You know, let me try this.
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A
Let me close my eyes. Let me try to. Because I remember him talking about it. I think you remember talking about it.
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G
And you ask Matthew about it and he says, you know, we start getting at this thing, I'll give it a shot.
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D
I'll try.
- [80:42]
G
And sure enough, here we are in week 12. He's having a career year at 37. Yeah, that. That was good.
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A
That.
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B
Mute TV.
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A
I didn't hear it. I didn't hear it. Did it come through for you guys? Yeah, 500 broadcast.
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E
Not at all.
- [80:53]
A
I don't know if I heard it. But yeah, you're right, Collinsworth did talk about it. I do recall him chatting about. Especially with a back position at the age that he was, there was a lot of questions. We were talking about the immortal trailer as well at the time because he was supposed to come back and then he wasn't. Then he's supposed to be in pads, he was in shorts. And it was like, wait a minute, this seems a little bit scary. And I, I think at that point they didn't really know either what was going to happen because it is the battle. You don't really know.
- [81:14]
G
Talking to those guys, there was not a, it wasn't arrogance, but it was a bit of like, dude, like relax, it's August, he's 37. Just, he'll be fine. And then it got to like week two of the preseason, then week three of the preseason, and I'm talking to, to, to McVay in the front office like, those are the guys. And they're like, just calm down. Like, we're good, we're good. And so they had the utmost confidence. And yet, you know, I think it's fair to question when a quarterback doesn't take a single rep during practice in July and all August and they did the inner camp scrimmages with the, with the Cowboys and from all, all anyone who's there was saying was Jimmy G looked amazing. It was like, do you start the season with Jimmy G? It sounds so crazy now because Stafford is the runaway MVP and looks better than he ever has. It's almost a commercial for everyone saying, take July and August off. As long as you're ready. You know, like you don't, don't wear yourself out in training camp.
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A
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Waste of conversation, but it's always good to have the conversation, especially, especially if it's all we have at the moment, which is what we do in the middle of training camp. That Matthew Stafford thing carried us for a couple weeks too. I mean, we were looking into that entirety because we have so much respect. We were very worried. I was very worried, especially with how old he is back and yeah, we've seen other guys, especially with the back sciatica golf, you know, we just saw it with LeBron. Yeah, all these. The back is always one that's like kind of unpredictable. Them having the confidence that he's going to come back and then talking about how he's playing. It's like better than ever. And he's got Devonte Adams who can just shake and have a two way go and then he's the runaway MVP favorite. You said it's kind of clear at this point. And then he has the number one scoring defense in the NFL, they're only giving up 16.3 points per game. It's like what I think. I think the.
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G
Oh, Hembo. Hello. The biggest differential between, like, interceptions and touchdowns in a season was Aaron Rodgers in 2020. What's up, Ty? He went 48 touchdowns, five interceptions. Stafford right now is 30 touchdowns, two interceptions, and he can maybe make that. And the one common thread between those, Devonte Adams was the receiver for both those guys.
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A
Yeah. And Devontae said he's having fun playing football. How could you not? You gotta shake a guy and score a touchdown. Sound good? Yep. We'll do that all damn night. Matthew Stafford never misses. Okay, let's talk about another quarterback who obviously we all love. Go ahead, Debug.
- [83:27]
E
Yeah, I feel like everything we're doing talking about with the Rams right now, we probably expected to be talking about with the Ravens kind of coming into the season. Maybe Lamar being an MVP favorite, maybe this team dominate on both sides of the ball, but that's not been the case. No. They got a win against the jets, sitting at 6 and 5 right now. Probably going to win that division. But what's your thoughts on the Ravens right now and kind of how it's going to play out for them down the stretch? Sorry.
- [83:50]
G
I think. I think diva, like Belichick used to say, like the season start starts at Thanksgiving. It really does for the Ravens. They're right there, obviously with the Steelers, and if they win the division, they get in the tournament. But if they are to make a run, look at this stretch they have coming up. They got the Bengals and Joe Burrow this weekend, Thanksgiving night, obviously, national tv. Then they play Pittsburgh, Cincinnati again, then New England, then at Green Bay, at Pittsburgh. So it's almost too soon for us to make a judgment on the 2025 Ravens in Week 12, when you've got that slate again. Bengals twice, Steelers twice, Patriots, packers in the packers game in Lambeau on December 27. So to me, it's like I've seen the teams get hot and go on the run. I followed the 07 Giants when they went as a 6 seed and they won it all. I saw the 2010 packers with AJ Hawk go on as a 6 seed, win it all. Like this could be that team. They're going to maybe win the division. That might be how they get.
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A
Either way, biggest eye roll of all time from AJ on this back wall.
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G
He didn't like that to even compare him.
- [84:50]
A
No, I think he just. He didn't know that you were going to Mention them? I think so. It wasn't an eye roll. It was more of like a side look. And it was on this back wall here. Foxy, can you show the back wall? It was perfect for us. I don't think he expected to do because that Giants team always gets talked about.
- [85:04]
G
But did I not even give you the name mention? Like, I didn't just say, like, the 2010 Packers. I gave you that love to Ryan Grant. Yeah.
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F
Oh, yeah, you're right.
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B
You know.
- [85:14]
F
Yeah, Triggs, you know it all. I was not. I didn't roll my eyes. I don't know what it looked like.
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A
But, yeah, I appreciate it you mentioned him. I think he was very surprised that you mention them is what I. I would say. We obviously, AJ's. AJ's got a look, you know, to him. So whenever that changes, especially whenever. Hold on. You just talked about our team. I don't know. That team never gets talked about in this conversation, Triggs, ever.
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D
Yeah.
- [85:34]
G
One of the hottest teams ever was that packers team that came roaring down the stretch and then obviously won the super bowl in Dallas. That's what the Ravens. If the Ravens make the playoffs, they're going to have to go through this gauntlet and win these games. So we're going to all be high on the Ravens, and if they don't, don't win their division, it's because they couldn't get it done and they couldn't make it in. But they're probably not making it as a wild card. They're going to make it as a division winner. So I say all that. The season hasn't even really begun for them and Lamar's health is a real question. The fact that he had 30 yards rushing, the fact that he can't, you know, do what he's used to do right now, and now that the grind of the December is about to hit and the grind of January is about to hit, does he suddenly find that step? I don't know. So it's going to be really interesting to see what version of them we get over these next few weeks. And I do not take Thursday night with Joe Burrow coming into MNT lightly. I think Joe Burrow coming off the injury, playing against them on national television is something that I would be seriously concerned about if I'm a Ravens fan.
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A
That news has broke. Joe Burrow will be playing on Thanksgiving against the Baltimore Ravens. We're talking about AFC north magic to cap off a beautiful Thanksgiving. Let's talk about the AFC a little bit more. More. Go ahead, Tone.
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C
Yeah, straight. You talked about the Ravens and maybe not making it as a wild card. And for the last few years, it's been Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, afc. You're like, all right, one of them is going to win it. The Chiefs, even after their win yesterday, are still ranked 10th in the AFC. How many teams in the AFC do you think could actually win the AFC? Because I believe it's the most wide open it's been in probably a decade.
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G
Yeah, it's like the guys we know from the last few years and then these upstarts. So take those first four or those first, you know, 1, 3, 2 and 5. Is anyone really picking? You know, and I say this Boston, Connor, with you, not trying to insult you and Pat with the Colts, whatever, but it's like if. If it's Chiefs at Colts in the wild card round like we had yesterday.
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A
Like if it's at Colts, we didn't have that yesterday. Okay, I know they were in Kansas City. They were not in the Lighthouse. They were not in the line. And I want to let you know, I do think it changed the game a little bit. Okay. I do think maybe being out there in Kansas City at the of the Chief, I think it's a little different than a loud house. But go ahead. You're to your point.
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G
Just you look at that. It's like, all right, so we've got Patriots as say they are the one seed. And then the divisional round, we got the Bills at the Patriots and they get another shot at that, you know, and it's the third time Patriots. I bet you that. I bet you the Bills are favored in that game. If Josh Allen's walking in there or Lamar Jackson, Jackson going out to LA to play the Chargers after some of the losses the Chargers have had, like whether or not the stats are there, the numbers are there. I think the Lamar Jackson factor would give the Ravens the favorite. So it's this fascinating season of the guys we know, those three quarterbacks, of course, those three teams that are there and they're banging on the door every year. And then you've got these upstarts and it's like, okay, Bo Nix, we love what we saw against the Chiefs. We love what that defense does. We love everything about it.
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A
But.
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G
But when the rubber hits the road and it's January football, is it what we know in our back pocket, the Chiefs, the Bills, the Ravens? Or is it this team that's been doing everything right, but are they ready to make that moment happen this year? You're number two in the Playoff you're.
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A
Talking about, obviously, the AFC right now. Ty actually had a point that we talked about during the break about teams this year with quarterback stuff. What was your thoughts about if you have an elite defense?
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D
Yeah, yeah, basically, I think this is one of the years, one of the rare years where, like, now, obviously, the. The Rams would maybe buck this trend a little bit, but I don't think you necessarily have to have an elite quarterback to win the super bowl this year. I think we look at all the teams up there that we're talking about as legitimate super bowl contenders and that Drake is elite for sure. For sure. But it's. It's the defenses this year. Like, teams with unbelievable defenses are the ones that we're talking about week in, week out. And with this much parody, teams who have defenses that are that good, like they're going to be in every single game, and then it's just a matter of, can a guy like Bo Nix have his best game of the year when we already know what the defense is going to do?
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G
Yeah, I think it's such a great point. In 2025, every rule is built for the offense and to score points. And yet two teams in particular, Denver and Houston, have built their teams around defense and said, all right, we got. And I talk to Peyton all the time. I talked to Vance Joseph on my podcast last year week. They have Mahomes twice a year. Mahomes owned them for years. It is no accident that they spent all their money in free agency over the past few years on bringing in Zach Allen and bringing in, you know, Hufanga and bringing in Drake Greenlaw, and then, of course, drafting Johnny Barron despite the fact they already have Patrick. Sir, can, like, that's what you do to beat Mahomes. You have to build your team to beat Mahomes. Then you go to Houston. You've got Nick Casario there as a gm. They draft CJ Stroud, trades up to get Will Anderson, and then you look at what they did on the defensive side of the ball, whether it be bringing in Daniel Hunter or drafting Derek Stingley when there was obviously needs on offense, taking him third overall. Like, these are moves that are made that are very intentional and saying, despite the league being telling us that, hey, air raid offense and have 50 touchdowns from your quarterback and score, score, score, let's flip it on its head. Let's be the team that you got to beat. And you got to beat us every single way because our defense is that good. That's the Broncos and the Bills. I'll be fascinated. I mean, sorry, the Bronco, Broncos and the Texans. I'll be fascinated to see if those two teams can do it the whole stretch of the way and then maybe find themselves playing in San Francisco this, this February.
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A
Another team you didn't mention there. Colts invested a lot on defensive side, including first round draft picks in the future. And then Patrick Mahomes needs a four and a half minute drive and he gets it. Just no problem at all. Just right down there and then he gets ball back in and he does it. So, you know, learning lessons as we get to and through meaningful football. As you were saying everything you were saying, saying, and Ty was saying what he was saying. D Bud, who played nine years in the NFL on the defensive side of the ball goes need a.
- [91:24]
E
You're gonna need it. And look, defense, you'll need the quarterback. You definitely need a defense as well. But you're going to need, I mean, elite. It's only what, three or four probably elite quarterbacks, but you're going to need one of those guys. When it comes down to it's all good on November 24th and we're looking at standards and saying, okay, these are teams but somebody's going to have to take that step. It's going to be Drake. Is it going to be Bo? Is it going to be one of these guys who step up and have an elite run like Joe Flacco or somebody like that in the playoffs, but you're going to need elite quarterback play in the playoffs to get that chip for sure.
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A
On that note. On that note, Connor, congratulations. Drake may feels like one of those guys. Need one of those guys to do it. All of the different traits that you would need to be a guy. Feels like Drake has. And don't look now. I got a text from the Miz yesterday.
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B
Oh, oh, Shador.
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A
He's saying he's thinking maybe Browns in the playoffs this year. Go ahead, Conrad.
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B
Yeah, this year.
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A
M said, I did the math. This is during the game. He's at the game. No way. He lives in Vegas. He's at the game. He's texting me during the game. I did the math. I think we could still make the playoffs this year. This is how this should have been from the beginning is how they feel. Go ahead, con man.
- [92:30]
B
Yeah, Hard not to feel that way after watching him complete 11 passes. Shrigs, what do you think about the Browns and Shador? Can they even go back to Gabriel at this point? It feels like no. Especially while Gabriel was playing. Everybody was just asking him like hey, can you even throw the ball 20 yards down the field? And then Shador completes a 53 yard pass in a bucket. What do you think about that situation as a whole? And what do you think about Stefanski? People are kind of getting loud about his whole kind of demeanor as a head football coach.
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A
They have announced that he is starting. It has been announced that he's starting, per sources. I do believe, which is good.
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G
That's what I was going to roll with. And I think it's very.
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B
It's.
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G
You stole my thunder.
- [93:10]
A
No, I just want to. This, this is new news because we were actually talking with Schefter about, like, hey, how come he didn't come out and say that after the game? So this news being reported, that it is being started, it's like, I just wanted you to know that that's on me. I apologize.
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G
It's fair. No, thank you.
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A
The.
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G
The thing is this. It's like, it's such a sensitive topic. Obviously, we could do all the different podcasts and everything that, you know, Shador is like such a lightning rod. Here, here's where you can look at it. One, the team never looked as alive and as fired up as they did yesterday. Miles Garrett, their top. Their top player, was. Was. Was like so supportive. Isaiah Bond on this pass. That's a perfect pass. You could also say he had a horrible interception in this game that was like, ill advised. Still took a while to get the ball out and that the Raiders are bad. So you look at it one or two ways. I'm going to go with the former here. I'm going to say let's take it for what it was. The team looked awesome. They looked fired up and he made this pass and then the Sampson screen pass. That goes for 50 yards. You could say, you could make the comment that he didn't do anything in this fight. Guess what? He ran the offense and they had to do it and they got it done. That said, Raiders defense is atrocious, and I'm not taking it away from Shador, but I like the fact he did it on the Raiders, who passed over him seven different times in the NFL draft. Seven different times. The Raiders felt that they were better off without Shador Sanders. Despite being connected there for so many months leading into the draft, he found a way. He's going to start and he's going to go up against the Niners and we could keep on doing this. What about ism? What about ism? Let's not do that. He did it yesterday. He won the game and he looked good. And that pass to Bond is as good as any that the Browns have completed all season long.
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A
Actually better. Yeah. So that's the best ball that they've had in two decades, they said.
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E
Actually forgot Bond was there.
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A
Certainly me. Exactly as he catch, I'm like, oh yeah, very fast. I'm happy they're using them. That's good news. And to your point about the energy, it's like just real caring at all about a Cleveland Browns game felt good for me. Just. Just caring at all about what the outcome was. And then him getting a. And we talked about this in the first hour and you're an on field reporter like pretty regularly at this point.
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G
No, that was a gift to Tiffany Blackman.
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A
But go on.
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G
Because he was so good in these interviews.
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A
Yes, he was afterwards. But also right before his first ever start as a fifth round rookie. Somebody had to approve of that, right? Like the Browns had to approve of that happening and all of it.
- [95:25]
G
Get to interview the quarterback. Yeah.
- [95:27]
E
Starting quarterback. You got to get.
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A
Here's what he said before, right before his first. He's a fifth round draft pick. I don't know if this is happening anywhere else.
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G
Shador, you told us that this week felt like you were getting back to normal being a starting quarterback.
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D
Like you have your whole career.
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G
But this is going to be your first NFL start. What does that opportunity feel like in this moment?
- [95:46]
B
Feels good.
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E
But we cool. We cool, calm collection of like just.
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B
Ain'T none to us.
- [95:52]
G
And what do you hope to show against this Raiders defense, Your teammates, yourself and these Browns fans with your play.
- [95:59]
E
Today, I'm who they've been looking for.
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A
Walk off.
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B
Appreciate it.
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A
Thank you. Goodbye. What a hilarious line. Like even in that moment, like I'm. I'm going create. This is a clip here. This is something like all that is not Cleveland Browns like none of it. So it's like thank God. The interest of. Yeah. If you're a Shador Sanders fan, it's like, thank God he's nothing. Like what you're a fan of football.
- [96:20]
E
You don't want anything to be what Cleveland Browns has been.
- [96:23]
A
Amen. Miles Garrett is 718 sacks right now. 18 sacks. He leads second by five. He's outrageous right now. So that has been good football for the Cleveland Browns. Joe Thomas got to his spot better than anybody in the history of football. But a lot of Cleveland Brown football is shite football. So Shador bringing any energy I think is a positive. But it was hard to find like a lot of highlights to Run, you know, so we ran the same plays over and over. It's his first start. Middle of the season.
- [96:49]
G
First start.
- [96:50]
E
Another good one to Judy. If you know Judy just kind of.
- [96:52]
G
Judy fumbled and he can't, he can't control who he played.
- [96:55]
B
Wasn't his fault.
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G
Like they were up against a Raiders team. And by the way, Max Crosby is a pretty good player and he's in his face the whole game. And their run defense is pretty good. Like you can't, you can't fault him for playing against a bad Raiders team. It's just who's on the schedule on that same bad Raiders team. Looked at his draft profile seven different times and said we're good. We don't want this guy. So I liked it from him. Harold Fannin. Hello Beast.
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A
Yeah, absolute beast. You know, there's another young quarterback that's getting a lot of chatter about him and I don't want to bring it up. Shrakes.
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B
Oh yeah.
- [97:25]
A
Have to that Minnesota Vikings team.
- [97:28]
C
Yeah, yeah.
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A
I don't want to reiterate the point and people are going to say we're echoing ourselves but it is such a good point that it needs to be stated time and time again. That NFC was decided in the final week by the Detroit Lions and Minnesota Vikings. They're playing for the number one overall seed team. Back coordinators back. Everything's back except for quarterback. Quarterback is new. Who you going with? Young guy. We drafted him early for a reason. He got hurt, doesn't have a lot of reps. We were going all in around him. You got Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Jones, Kirk Cousins, Rogers was available. Aaron Rodgers allegedly was waiting to hear if they wanted him. A lot of quarterbacks, okay. A lot of quarterbacks that wanted that position because they know Kevin oconnell's offense. If you are able to get to your drop step, there's somebody going to be wide open and it might be Justin Jefferson, the best wide receiver in all of football. So very fascinating how it's all unraveling right now and how nine is performing. Performing. He's also currently in the concussion protocol that just got announced via Ari Mira Vera, via the teams, I would assume website or social media account. How do you kind of view this entire nine situation with the Vikings? Because obviously yesterday Micah and Green Bay packers defense did their thing against them. 59, 52 yard field goals, half the points that they scored the entire night. What are your thoughts on the Vikings? Because they're supposed to be in it. I think everybody thinks or thought going into the season.
- [98:59]
G
Well, look, Jeff Halfley's defense put on a show yesterday and the fact that they had five net yards in the second half and they were sacked five times, had two interceptions and then both third and one and fourth and one in the first half, big moments in the red zone like got stuffed. That's the game and we're going to talk about it the rest of his career, sadly, until he turns it around. But JJ McCarthy was selected over Bo Nix and he was in a draft where there was other quarterbacks who are having great success. Drake May, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels last year and Michael Penix has shown flashes. So you're in that draft class. That's one bucket. Then the second bucket is the guys that you chose him over. And Darnold could have been franchise tag this year and McCarthy's salary is not exuberant. They could have had both those guys on the roster and they could have said, let's run it back, we came up just short, let's do it. Could also brought back Daniel Jones. You could have entertained Rogers and you could have said to McCarthy, we're going to wait one more year until you come off this injury. We're going to see hindsight's 20 20. Of course, we forget how bad those eight days were for Sam Darnold. Two of the worst performances that have cost one man more money in the history of the NFL than Sam Darnold's last eight days as a Viking. The Sunday night loss and then the Monday night loss where they lost to the Rams in Arizona. Where if we were to have this conversation that Tuesday morning and maybe we did, it was probably 99% saying, all right, it was a nice story, it was a good ride. Sam Darnold was fun for a year for the Vikings. We got to go to jj. No, I would have, I would have said franchise tag. Let's, let's split the baby. Let's do it. Let's see if we can get one more year here, keep J.J. you know, in the wings then year three, he's the guy if Sam doesn't. But truth the matter is they went all in on a draft pick that they traded up for the year before and they were banking on what their pre draft process was, the interviews and the coaching that like O' Connell and McCown can get the best out of this guy. Well, not only has he been a disappointment, but there's been health issues this year too. So now you're left with major question marks when obviously they had maybe the best quarterback room in football last year.
- [101:04]
A
Yeah, I understand what you're saying about the end of Darnold's days. And Seahawks are obviously reaping the benefit of Darnold going out there. Big win over the Titans for them yesterday. And. And the Minnesota Vikings sitting in a position where. Are they going to have to admit something here? No. Right. Can't.
- [101:18]
D
Well, no.
- [101:19]
C
Tell you what, if Max Brosnar gets a start, we're looking at a Brock Purdy situation.
- [101:22]
B
Yeah. Look out.
- [101:23]
C
He is not turning that ball back over.
- [101:25]
A
I mean, there's chance, right?
- [101:27]
C
No, there is. That's. I'm being dead serious.
- [101:28]
A
There's ton.
- [101:30]
G
Tell me about him, because I got to be honest, I know the name, but give us the little profile.
- [101:33]
C
He was an FCS All American at New Hampshire and then transferred to Minnesota. Had a really good year last year at Minnesota. Then, you know, came to the Vikings this year.
- [101:41]
A
He's can spin it.
- [101:44]
C
Oh, yeah, yeah, he can spin.
- [101:45]
A
He run, too?
- [101:47]
C
No, not much of a runner, just more of a spinner.
- [101:49]
E
Okay.
- [101:50]
A
Okay. So he could spin it. So Kevin OConnell's offense. We're doing robot stuff. Yeah, we're in here. We're doing this entire thing. This could be a Brock party situation.
- [101:57]
B
Could be.
- [101:57]
A
Yes, this could be a Brock party situation.
- [101:59]
D
If they admit fault, though, like, that's. Isn't that a fireable offense for the gm? Like, you had this team that was right, ready to be the best team in the nfc, and now all of a sudden, it's just like. I mean, that. I don't know, because I see a lot of people putting KOC into that, and I don't think that. I think that's, you know, getting way ahead of your skis. But, like, if you're the gm, you traded up to draft this guy. You had everything kind of made, and you were ready to go. You again. You paid everybody on the defense. Your offense is kind of set with all the weapons. And then it was just like, yeah, you know what? Unfortunately, I up the most important position in sports, so we're gonna. We're gonna try something else.
- [102:33]
B
And it's also how it looks like. We were told it was gonna look good. And I agree. Like, okay, sure, they're not gonna win.
- [102:41]
A
I was lied to.
- [102:43]
B
Like, like, we all knew they weren't gonna win 14 games like last year, but we were told it was gonna.
- [102:49]
A
Call the Better Business Bureau.
- [102:50]
B
I told all training camp how great he was as well. It's not as if we. The expectation, I think, is also what is killed Nine in the sense of how bad it looks. Because during training camp and all these people were coming on and saying, like, hey, not nine's great. They're real confident in J.J. mcCarthy right now. And maybe they were in training camp because he was playing against, you know, high school football defenses, but it just looks abysmal, like, there's no hope.
- [103:18]
A
There's a couple good throws there.
- [103:20]
D
Not yesterday, there wasn't.
- [103:21]
B
Behind the line of scrimmage, maybe.
- [103:22]
C
I will say this. I just looked Brosmer's first start next week they have at Seattle, so that would be tough, but.
- [103:27]
E
Oh, that be easy defense.
- [103:29]
D
Well, if you're the gm, that's a good move then.
- [103:31]
G
Can't protect Max Brosmer.
- [103:32]
D
Gotta throw it out there. Yeah. Throw this guy in and then you can say the fan base, oh, this is the guy you want. This is the guy you want. I think we'll stick with nine.
- [103:39]
G
No, the. The postscript on it all. And I. I think I've said this before, maybe on this show, but, like, the. The commanders thought Sam Darnold was coming to them last year. And at the last second, he's like, I'm actually going to go with o' Connell and go with those guys. And they were like, well, all right.
- [103:52]
A
Well, well, we'll pivot.
- [103:54]
G
We'll go with Mariota. But like, what a sliding doors moment.
- [103:57]
C
If.
- [103:57]
G
If Darnold was in Washington, never takes the field. And then all of a sudden, it's Jaden from day one, and we don't even know about Sam Darnold. And it's like, I don't know, it's just amazing how the NFL works. And it's these moments that, like, come and go.
- [104:08]
A
Butterfly effect. I believe his decisions.
- [104:10]
G
Yes.
- [104:10]
D
That's what it cost.
- [104:11]
A
Everything like that Marcus Marigota.
- [104:14]
C
Did we know that was a sick hoodie you got on, by the way?
- [104:17]
A
I got an ohana hoodie.
- [104:19]
D
You got one.
- [104:19]
A
Shout out to Rob. Shout out to Rob. And the Oregon equipment staff, they always hook it up. That's cool. Great air forces, too, that have ohana on it, you know?
- [104:25]
B
Damn.
- [104:26]
A
Yeah, because it was celebrating Mariota going in there. He's tall. Do we know he was tall?
- [104:30]
G
Tall?
- [104:32]
A
I didn't know that was big.
- [104:33]
G
Was six, four easy, right?
- [104:35]
A
Yeah. First thing I said to him is, holy shit. I didn't know you were tall. Tall. You're tall. Tall.
- [104:40]
G
Yeah, I know, I know. We're doing all NFL, Pat. I mean, that was incredible. Saturday morning, the mercy cycle. Oh, my God, dude. And then landing, getting, Getting Involved with the shout. Like, I, I, I say this as a, as a, as an objective viewer, not a sycophant. Not to kiss your.
- [104:58]
A
Get the hell out of the way, social media guy.
- [105:01]
G
This is all I'm saying. All right, social media guy. We'll get the video. Don't worry. Someone's filming. There's a, there's a, there's a camera from the sky and a drone. We're good. We don't need social media guys filming. It's like, you know, here I used to wake, like when, wake up and look forward to Saturday Night Live every Saturday night and see who the cold open was going to be and who they were going to have. This is how I am now on Saturday mornings with these game day openings. They're incredible. You now set the standard and the bar so high. I don't know where you guys are going on Saturday, but, like, the only thing left is to, like, jump out of a plane or to like jump off a mountain. I have nothing. I don't know what else you can do at this.
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A
I appreciate that.
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F
Helicopter.
- [105:37]
A
Yeah, we could do a lot of things, I guess. No, it's, I'm very thankful that Matt, who is the leader of the quack, kind of hooked it up. I think he had to have belief that I could ride a motorcycle. So I can ride a motorcycle. My wife and I. Look at that hair. Yeah. I mean, the helmet was obviously pretty tight. I also, you know, there's a chance that that thing has an anti fog screen on it, you know, but that just wasn't the case. And when I realized with the fog, the lights and it was dark park and that kid's running backwards in front of me at one point, it's like, it's like, all right, there's a lot going on. There's a lot going on. And then I didn't do a test drive. The, the COVID up of the wires. Plastic.
- [106:18]
D
Oh, yeah.
- [106:19]
A
Plus being a little moist in the morning, like, in my head. I didn't know those were going to be there. Should have known they were going to be there. I'm rolling through. I see those for the first time. I'm like, oh, no, this need to stay straight here. Then we turn left in there, you know, so was very cool for everybody that set that up. Ms. Dana over @ Oregon, the leader of the dance crew, and I think stadium environment and mascot and everything like that. I appreciate her going to work for this whole thing, but, yeah, it was, it was a lot of fun. Faso made a lot of Calls, you know, Faso. Oh yeah, Faso made. Because we're second time in like three, four weeks. So if I just do the same thing. We went there last year and last year it's like you can't just do the same thing, same thing every time.
- [106:57]
G
You know, there's just something special. And it was the same end when you guys were in Utah like that, that morning darkness. And I know it's not an easy thing for you guys to be doing these west coast hours and especially on a Saturday morning. But like, gosh, there is nothing more electric than me on the east coast with my son on the couch turning it on and it's dark as night and there's a full crowd there and you're going nuts with the smoke coming. I loved it, bro.
- [107:20]
D
It was great.
- [107:20]
A
Okay. I appreciate the comment. That's very, very cool you to say and it was a lot of fun. And thank you to the Oregon people for their hospitality. Those are the, the air forces there. The Ohana air forces I had on. So it was. They were very kind, very nice. And shout out to the kids showing up. We're there two times in like three weeks.
- [107:36]
B
Impressive.
- [107:37]
A
And they showed up in a big way. Especially there were critics.
- [107:39]
G
There were critics who said, you shouldn't have been there, Pat.
- [107:42]
A
Yeah, there's a lot. There was some other opportunities, you know, every week there are those. Every week there are those. But Dan Lanning and everybody, everybody are so kind and being a part of a show that people want to come to their place is very cool. So I appreciate you saying that. And shout out to Oregon, hey, they got a football team.
- [107:58]
D
Yeah, they do.
- [107:58]
A
They got a tough football team.
- [108:00]
G
Got a quarterback too. I like that kid.
- [108:02]
A
Yeah, yeah, Dante's a stud. All right, last question here for you Shregs on this overreaction Monday. Go ahead, Ty.
- [108:06]
D
Yeah, Shrigs. Before the season started, you came on the show and basically said, hey, the coaching changes in Detroit, I'm out. I don't think they're going to make the playoffs this year. You took a lot of heat. And then for a little bit there, you know, when Johnny Mo got. Got his play calling duty stripped from him, you were, you know, maybe, maybe right. But you could probably argue they may have the best player in the NFL. And Jameer Gibbs, where do you stand on the Lions right now after, you know, not, not the prettiest of wins yesterday and then a tough one on Thursday against the packers on Thanksgiving?
- [108:37]
G
Yeah. Very good team and a very good offense and a very good running back in Jameer Gibbs, who had three touchdowns and more than 200 yards from scrimmage yesterday. 50 yards from scrimmage. I think it's fair to say that they are an excellent team who's going to either win the division or be a wild card contender. And of course, in the super bowl contention. It's also fair to say that when they go outside and play in Lambeau and they lose in Week one and they go outside and lose to the Chiefs in Arrowhead, and then we could go playing against the Eagles coming up short. Like it's fair to ask whether this team is a team that is good or a team that is great. And I think the loss of Ben Johnson was a big storyline in the off season, and I jumped on it and I was wrong. Dan Campbell can still get this offense going, but the fact that they've replaced their offensive coordinator already sort of justifies what I was fearing, at the very least, that. That maybe there is a gap in the play calling from Ben Johnson to what we thought was going to be Johnny Moe as the offensive coordinator. So I think both things can be true. I was wrong that the was line Lions were going to be flat, you know, flatter on offense. And I'm also right that let's see how they do as the season goes on and that Ben Johnson's a pretty good play caller as well.
- [109:47]
A
Jameer Gibbs was pounding the ground on that run. I mean, he was beating the out of the ground on that. He's unbelievable. So. So he's going into earth so hard, and obviously that's why he's so fast. He's explos.
- [110:03]
B
I mean, it was like Pacheco, though.
- [110:04]
A
He's special. This guy's special. Yeah. Running angry, but also incredibly fast. And Gibbs goes supersonic. Not bad here from, you know, Debone. Graphic designers had a hell of a day today. Yeah, and a hell of a day today. They absolutely crushed it. But you talk about him being so fast. He's supposed to be a part of a duo, Sonic and Knuckles. It's seemingly becoming the Sonic show. And how could it not be with how good he is? I assume that's something that mcdc has to balance. Ty, have you heard in comments from mcdc?
- [110:31]
E
Yeah.
- [110:31]
D
He basically said the, you know, something along the lines of like, listen, man, I'm. I'm trying to kind of balance this, give David his touches.
- [110:39]
B
But I don't even get to watch.
- [110:40]
D
Jameer because every time I put him.
- [110:42]
A
In the game, I look down.
- [110:43]
D
That motherfucker's already in the end zone.
- [110:45]
B
So, you know, I mean, hey, three.
- [110:47]
D
Clouds and, and a, you know, a little bit of dust with Dave or 75 yards and a touchdown with Jameer Gibbs. I, I think you know which way I'm leaning.
- [110:55]
E
Yeah, it's.
- [110:57]
G
I was texting with Ty because the Packers, I think this is the biggest game for both those team seasons this week on Thanksgiving Day in Detroit where the Lions have handled the packers last couple years, whatever. And then all this hype with the packers defense. Like, all right, here comes Jameer Gibson. I love this. I mean, everyone's talking about Chiefs, Colts, and of course Ravens, Bengals. But like Packers, Lions at one o' clock on a Thanksgiving Thursday. Like, let's go.
- [111:22]
A
Yeah, it's supposed to be noon. I think we all thought. Yeah, we all thought that was going to be noon. So we're trying to adjust, I guess. Thanks for adding another hour of potential arguments to America.
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D
That's bullshit.
- [111:33]
A
You know, could have put the game on earlier, you know, so we could have the entire afternoon. Green Bay, Detroit on fox, Kansas City, Dallas on cbs.
- [111:40]
G
Look at that slate.
- [111:41]
A
It's good one. Cincinnati, Baltimore on NBC. And then Chicago and Philly on prime time. All playoff implicating type games. It's going to be a huge thank you Thanksgiving. Shregs. We appreciate the hell out of you, brother.
- [111:53]
D
Bro.
- [111:53]
G
I love you. I love you guys. Thank you. This is awesome.
- [111:56]
A
Always is. Hey, you're killing it. We're watching. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager. I'll tell you what. Shreg's on TV a lot, doing good hosting, analyzing Jack of all trades.
- [112:07]
F
He can do it all the Trager.
- [112:09]
A
Oh, yeah. Well, how about whenever he sits fireside, Chat. Chat. Yeah, you're talking about the sh.
- [112:15]
F
Real artsy.
- [112:16]
A
Yeah, it is very artsy. And it's a one shot. You know, he's talking to that camera. Why don't you come take a walk with me? Like this is Goodfellas through the kitchen. Let me explain to you what everything is. And he's got that really cool fire and everything's set up nice. Yeah, Shrek. Shrek's doing his thing. The NFL is awesome.
- [112:32]
B
Rolling.
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A
All right, before we get out of here on espn, as we continue digitally, I think we should break down tonight's game a little bit. I think we should break down tonight's game. Carolina Panthers take on the San Francisco 49ers. Is the the number still seven and a half on this evening's game?
- [112:47]
C
Yes, it is.
- [112:48]
A
What's the percentage of bets on the San Francisco 49ers. It was 62% last time we checked last hour. It is currently sitting at 61%. Oh, no. The 60% plus bets are something we get our stats from. Now it's at 61. So we still take it seriously.
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C
Yeah, you definitely have to.
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A
And what is 60% of the bets this weekend so far?
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C
This weekend, if a team is getting 60% or more of the bets, again against the spread, they are 2, 7 and 1 against the spread.
- [113:19]
A
So that would tell you that the odds are against the San Francisco 49ers covering 7D. But your thoughts? We have 90 seconds.
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E
Are we picking right now?
- [113:30]
A
I think you should give a pick. I think you could give. I mean, we're wasting valuable seconds right now because we don't have a lot of them. But I think you can give a little bit of a reasoning and then a pick.
- [113:38]
E
I think because of what Tone said, the betting numbers. And the last time we saw the San Francisco 49ers that gave up 47 completions. I think Bryce Young will be just all right, maybe win this game straight up. But definitely Panthers plus seven and a half.
- [113:50]
A
Okay, that's Panthers plus seven and a half. By Darius J. Butler. A.J. hawk, you are nine, three and one currently on week 12 of the NFL against the spread. How do you see tonight going?
- [114:01]
F
I plan on going 10, 3 and 1 by taking the Carolina Panthers here. Rico Dowdell hopefully gets a good chunk of carries and gets going early. I still like San Francisco and what they can do, but I like Carolina with those points.
- [114:11]
A
I'll tell you what, I feel the exact same way. That is not good that we all feel that way, but we all feel against the majority of the public. And I think that's because just like a couple different times this season, whether it's college ball or NFL, I think we know more about these teams potentially because we've been following them a little bit closer because we were either embroiled with beef with them or new introductions with them them. So I think Carolina Panthers pretty good team. I think they'll cover the seven and a half. I still think the Niners get a win. And thank you to week 12 of the NFL slate being spectacular and thank you all for allowing us to do this for a living. We're the dumbest people on earth living the dumbest lives of all time and it's because of you. So thank you all so much. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We continue on digital. See you tomorrow. Yeah, I feel like that Was a pretty good one. Gave myself a little bit more Runway.
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B
Yeah.
- [114:57]
A
Great. Had to fill a little bit more time.
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B
More than the first hour.
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A
First hour, yeah. Chef just kept going. But that was on me because I had. I felt obligated to say something and I cut into his time, so I think he had a clock, and I kind of messed that up. So that's on me. What are we going to do about it? H. What are we going to do about it?
- [115:13]
F
You guys did it. It was great. It was a great program.
- [115:14]
A
I think we all like Carolina plus seven. I think we all felt it this morning. I think we all kind of felt it this morning. And I don't know if you woke up the same way way, but Conor actually came up to me and was like, hey, are you getting the same feeling that you had on Thursday? And it's like, no, I don't. And then the more and more I thought about it, I was like, I think I do actually a ton of points. Yeah. And also, I think we have more respect for Carolina than most people.
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B
Yes.
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A
I think that's probably the case.
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D
That's what I was like. The people just remember, you know, past years of how bad they were when things were just in shambles. And if the Panthers haven't played your favorite team, you probably haven't watched them, definitely haven't had. Had them in like the. The quad box on Sunday. So you, you know, you have no idea. And you just assume like, oh, these are the guys who. The owner's kind of an. And all that kind. And all that stuff is kind of blown away. Like, they. I mean, they're good. Like, they look at the division. Like if they win tonight, they. They might make the playoffs this year. So. And I also think what you said is. Is pretty accurate, too. Like, I think any. Anyone could see this game being like, Niners 28, Carolina 24. You know, 30, 31, 27. Like, I. I think it's going to be a much better game than people anticipate.
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C
The Panthers also do. I'm on the Panthers tonight. I just want. I'll say that. But they also have the ability to just go out there and lay in absolute D. Yeah.
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A
Happen.
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C
What was it? Falcons 40 to 9. If they do the Bills and then they lost the Saints.
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A
Yeah. They can.
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C
They have the ability.
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A
Yeah. This could be a Niners blow up. Could be Brock Pie could say, oh, you forgot, you know, give me one of those. Or maybe a twofer. What game did we not talk a lot about? Falcons beat the Saints 2410. Kirk Cousins is back celebrating.
- [116:50]
C
Yeah, he was.
- [116:52]
A
Kirk Cousins football is all the way back. Crazy that he was just kind of out of sight, out of mind for so long. Getting paid as much as he's getting paid. It was the thought that he was going to get traded, go somewhere. Obviously, having Bijan Robinson on your offense is good news. He is obviously filthy, but, yeah, Kirk Cousins gets a huge win for the Falcons. AJ I like seeing Kirk spin it a little bit.
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F
How can you not? I mean, especially if you watched him at all on, you know, quarterback or whatever. Like, how do you not root for this dude? And he can still spin it. You're right. He had a couple unbelievable balls and all this. Like, this is what. Yeah, this is cool. Like, seeing him all juice juiced up. Like he hasn't had this feeling in a long time. This is the one right here. Yeah. You're like, okay, here we go. Kirk right in stride and the boys pick him up.
- [117:30]
A
Two offensive linemen pick him up and carry him around. He's an adult with kids getting. Getting picked up by another. They're obviously super excited for Kirk because the situation, how he's handled it all.
- [117:38]
E
Absolutely good for Kirk being a pro. And I did not know Kirk still had that throw right there in his bag. So they're going to need him to stay competitive. No reps, keep him, no reps. Just like, you know, Shador said, hey, one week of practice, getting the reps, getting. So I love to see that, especially with all the. The weapons that was banged up and out of the lineup.
- [117:56]
A
Might have been a reset button for old Kirk, too. He might have been getting his own head. Remember, he was making some shitty plays.
- [118:01]
C
At the end of that run, interceptions last year.
- [118:03]
A
Yeah, there was a lot of, like, dumb, non. Kirk Cousins things happening in the game. And was that because he was around him? Because what was being played, whatever the case, we don't know. But nice little reset, little refresher. And Kirk Cousins reminds everybody there's a reason I was paid as much as I was paid. Patriots get a big win over the Bengals. That was closer than you guys liked up there or what?
- [118:21]
B
Yeah, definitely closer. With the injuries, you kind of expected it because of how early.
- [118:26]
A
Yeah. What happened? What happened? What happened?
- [118:27]
B
Jared Wilson right off the bat, ankle. I mean, I think it was the first run of the game to Treveon Henderson, real tough. Then Will Campbell on a toss left, got a knee or got a helmet to the knee, kind of a little bit to the side.
- [118:39]
A
And that's your Left guard, left tack.
- [118:40]
B
Yeah, that's left guard, left tack.
- [118:41]
A
Both of them rookies?
- [118:42]
B
Yeah, both of them rookies. It was tough. Drake may, you know, dragged us out of a hole, but we haven't played anybody, so who cares? My question for you more so would be, did you get any messages from any Bengals fans about their whole excuse me, operation as far as, you know, people yelling stuff to you, whether it be in the morning on your way into work?
- [119:02]
A
That's funny.
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B
Anything.
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A
Just walked me to water. Yeah. So as soon as I parked here outside the Thunderdome this morning, there was a cop pulling up to the stop sign that's kind of adjacent to the building here and hilarious. You know, I wave good morning and he has his intercom or whatever, he goes, can we bury Zach Taylor a little bit today? And I thought I heard it. I thought I heard it. I was like, what's that? And he goes, zach Taylor need to hate him. I go, all right, okay, dude, thank you for your service. And then he turns away. It was. It was a hilarious happenstance, but it was like, wow, Bengals fans, I guess they must be done with old Zach Taylor now. Joe Burrow coming back to play. Obviously, we assume team is going to be different with him. Marcus Jones, what a pick here. Just understanding everything that was about to happen in a play. Basically.
- [119:48]
E
Yeah. Can be late to the flat in the NFL. We talk about it all the time. When you are. That's what happens. Most explosive plays happen in the NFL along the sideline. So that's what happened right here.
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A
Yeah.
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F
I felt like Joe knew right when he threw it.
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A
Yeah. Well, hashtag 10 7, that would go 14 10. Then there are some decisions made later. Right. That people were confused.
- [120:10]
B
Yeah. I mean, decision, but also just like complete ineptitude. Like we had eight straight chances at the goal line to score a touchdown and we got. Got stopped all eight times. Absolutely despicable. And then when it was 23 to 20, once again, first and goal from the one yard line for New England and they just got stuffed, so. So there really wasn't any. Yeah, I wasn't sure what you're.
- [120:30]
A
Yeah. No, no. Was it Zach Taylor? Why do they hate Zach Taylor?
- [120:33]
B
Oh, I don't know why they hate Zach Taylor. Honestly, while I was watching that game, it's like the Patriots have a top 10 defense. They don't have Jamar Chase. If Jamar Chase is in the game, that. That might help a little bit. T. Higgins also went down with conc. Concussion. Feel as though the Cincinnati Bengals field also has Cement underneath it. Like MetLife. I think there's 15 different injuries, but, I mean, I didn't really look towards Zach Taylor while watching that game. Like, this guy's a dipshit. It was more so like one this team's banged up and their best player spit on someone. Last week, they'd have their backup quarterback, Joe Flacco, who also got hurt during the game. Jake Browning came in and kind of was serviceable enough, but I wouldn't point to Zach Brown Taylor. I feel as though Bengals fans are just trying to point to anybody but the offensive line and Duke Tobin and their decision to not pick the right guy to block for Joe Burrow. But once again, you do kind of have to blame someone. I personally feel as if Zach Taylor is a good coach, but if that's who they want to blame, that's who they want to blame.
- [121:27]
A
I don't know. The whole entire build of the team, it was like, obviously you get key injuries and it just ruins everything that they had going there. But, like, where they chose to invest their money. Everybody that has known football forever is like, that is not any level at this stage how you kind of win in this whole thing. Now they've struck out at offensive line a couple of times. They've struck out. They've tried to get guys. They've struck out. Obviously that stinks in it all, but I don't know, man. Eight. Eight goal line stands.
- [121:58]
B
You said it actually ended up being 11 because we got to 26 and we did three straight plays stuffed, and we ended up having to kick the field goal to go 26, 20.
- [122:09]
A
So Bengals defense, backbone.
- [122:12]
B
They only scored 19 points. I mean, without the pick six, we. We lose that king. Granted, they had to pick six. Two, but yeah. Patriots first team to 10 wins. You got to love it.
- [122:20]
A
Yeah. Ruler speed was up there. Ruler of the jungle.
- [122:22]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [122:23]
A
See him hit a backflip with the thing. No, he had the thing in his hand. The sorcery stone.
- [122:28]
B
Yeah.
- [122:31]
A
That thing, sure. And he was getting them jacked off. And then he hit a backflip with that thing. I thought was very impressive because that should have hit the ground at some point. Did not. Stuck the landing. I don't know if you're supposed to do anything. It seems like there was nothing to kind of.
- [122:44]
B
Yeah. Since you put it into something. Plant it.
- [122:46]
A
Yeah.
- [122:46]
F
Do you. Do you plant it into something?
- [122:48]
A
I don't know. I was looking around.
- [122:50]
F
That's a new thing. That's not like an old school Bengals tradition.
- [122:52]
G
That's.
- [122:52]
F
That's newer.
- [122:53]
B
I don't think you planted because when Whit did it, he just went nuts with it.
- [122:58]
A
So you just kind of hold it.
- [122:59]
B
Yeah, yeah. Like it.
- [123:00]
A
I mean you should boom with fireworks.
- [123:02]
D
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [123:03]
B
But that costs money. Which I think is what to the bank should be more pissed about.
- [123:06]
A
Look, here he is. So I'm looking on the ground to see if there's anywhere to put it, you know. Or are you just out there doing it? I think speed handle it properly, I would say. And then boom.
- [123:15]
F
Jeez, that's impressive.
- [123:17]
E
It is impressive.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Incredibly sick staff too.
- [123:19]
A
So you just hold that thing. I didn't know if he was going to put in a grand around at some point. You should toss just javelin or. Yeah, yeah, they should have.
- [123:26]
B
They should.
- [123:26]
E
Yeah.
- [123:27]
C
Just try to get down or bring.
- [123:28]
F
A fake Patriots mascot. Bring like a Patriots mascot. Just beat the hell out of him.
- [123:33]
A
Maybe it's a stab of. Maybe there's something. Yeah. You know, like the other team. And then he put stab kind of through. Yeah, that's good backflip though. And heavy Jays. Those are heavy Jays. Those are not the most athletic Jays. And he lands that thing on his feet. Done. And turns out they lose.
- [123:50]
B
But yeah, it's close.
- [123:51]
A
Did their thing. What do we not talk enough about college football? Huge weekend. Obviously this weekend have a lot of rivalries. Friday is going to be loaded. Saturday's loaded with college bowl. I mean we are living in a very good time. Meaningful football store pat mcshow.com 25% off because every game matters and if you want a sport repped brand we would certainly be thankful and if you don't, we don't care either. We're very appreciative for the support. Don't feel obligated but would love to see you out and about. Store pat m.com 25% off everything right now. Meaningful football games, college. Very, very meaningful tone. What's storyline.
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C
Yeah, there was a lot of meaningful games this weekend obviously in the lead up to this week, which will be the last week of the year rivalry week before we get into conference championships. But let's start in Eugene, Oregon where you were where Oregon kind of took it to usc. USC came out and they did score the first touchdown of the game. But then Oregon and kind of, you know, impose their will a bit and that's kind of what we talked about with Dan Lanning a lot. There you have Kenyon Siddiq with a an incredible touchdown pass. Noah Whittington was incredible the whole run game that's kind of what Oregon's been based on. And they dominated and pulled away late to get a huge win there. The other big one was Mizzou was going down to.
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A
Oh, I thought they were gonna win. They and it.
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D
If it was both.
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C
So what there was. There's a lot of questions about Oregon's or, sorry, Oklahoma's offense. There was this, what was it, like 93 yard touchdown early in the game. But like other than that there was not a ton of offense in this game at all. It was low scoring. We didn't know what Pribula was going to be able to do. I was going to go with the Stanford Steve saying Prabula, but I don't like that. So.
- [125:28]
A
I think that's right though, isn't it?
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C
Yeah, it might be. But Bo could tell Oregon did just enough to get this win and then stay obviously in in playoff contention. The big one. BYU went to Cincinnati where they basically just have to win to get in. It was close all game long. L.J. martin, the running back for BYU had over 200 yards and they got a big win against Cincinnati. So now all they have to do is win. This weekend I believe they host UCF and then they'll face Texas Tech in the Big 12 championship game. If Texas Tech gets a big win against WVU on the road, I know.
- [126:01]
A
That'S going to be tough. It's in Morgan time.
- [126:03]
C
But right now it's looking like byu, Texas Tech and then I'd say the last game, the last thing that we should touch on on is just Jeremiah Love, Stanford. Steve said, hey, in these last two games, Jeremiah Love's going to run for 500 yards. That might not be wrong. He would had eight carries for 1 70, I believe. Eight, eight, eight carries, three touch, three duds.
- [126:21]
B
Yes.
- [126:21]
C
And Notre Dame was up 21 nothing before their offense touched the ball. They won 70 to whatever. So Jeremiah Love had a huge weekend. He is now number three in the Heisman odds moving up the charts.
- [126:32]
A
He's awesome. He was great on our show last week and obviously, obviously he just, you know, is untackable seemingly. Those are high school stats.
- [126:39]
E
Syracuse do any sprints after the game?
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F
No.
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D
Fran Brown was pretty defeated. He basically said, I want my team to be like that team. That's basically all he said post game he was pretty. He's pretty bummed out.
- [126:52]
A
He's bummed out for good reason. Bum that Brown is what they're saying.
- [126:56]
C
And I got one more. If I forgot this, I would have been attacked again. Pitt had A huge win down at Joe. Georgia Tech too. Now Georgia Tech does not control their fate for the ACC championship. Virginia does and SMU does for the ACC championship. There is an ACC chaos scenario where if they lose there's gonna be like five teams tied at 6 and 2. But Pitt had a huge result there against Georgia Tech and they host Miami this week. So the ACC is still up for grabs. But this was a, a big one in that conference.
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A
Yeah, we thought senior day, Haynes, King, but we just saw at a pit the week before against Jeremiah Love who once again had a huge day, multiple touchdowns. Instead Pit goes in there, Nuzzi goes in there and steals all the joy and Pitt's still in it. Yeah, crazy to think pit is still in it. Heinl shout out to him. Bouncing back. Congrats to the Panthers. Did Mercer end up beating Auburn or no?
- [127:45]
D
I think it was close but started.
- [127:47]
C
Auburn, Ed edged him out.
- [127:50]
B
Yeah, it was close for good. What was it, 15?
- [127:52]
C
There was a lot of those SEC games, 20 seconds.
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A
Well, I, I actually thought 27 and a half half would be wrong. You know, I thought for the superdog I was down 20 and I saw a 27 and a half and yeah, I had myself believing that the Mercer Bears are going to win that one. They're nine and two now. They lose their second game of the season by a lot.
- [128:16]
C
14, 14, first quarter, 27 and a.
- [128:18]
A
Half just wasn't enough. Didn't appear to be enough. And I had a lot of Auburn people because on the show on game day when I said look for Mercer to cover and outright win, it's because I needed that. Oh, a cover is only five points. A win is the amount, the spread and five points. So I needed that to catch up. The I believe Herb street is in the lead right now. I believe he is pulling away. So I need a big one. So I put in the universe that they were going to outright win and Auburn people just took the quote and put it out there. And then all of a sudden I got a bunch of Auburn people saying, hi, how'd that Mercer game go? This guy down the no ball. It's like, wow.
- [128:50]
C
You also didn't know that Auburn's five star true freshman quarterback was going to come in and run. I think he had three touchdowns and like 200 yards rushing.
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A
Yeah, now I know. And that's a big one for Alabama this weekend. Yeah. Hey, good luck Alabama. Not a tough one. Yep, got a horn's nest on her. It's going to be crazy at night. Stanford's Andrew Luck had a massive win over Cal. Happy for them. Getting that. Maybe they're back on track.
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E
Maybe. I would love. Honestly, I would love to see Andrew Luck with the head headset on.
- [129:17]
A
Got a coach like, he did have the headset on.
- [129:20]
E
Exactly. You saw some pregame. You mentioned a pregame speech or of the night before the game to the boys. And then we all saw the live interview moment when the. When the Fumble got picked up and took to the house. Love seeing him live.
- [129:31]
A
Just Bo, bo, Bo.
- [129:32]
E
But I would love to see him. I think Frank Wright or it's already come out that he'll be stepping down after this season as a coach. I believe I heard that some weeks ago. I would love to hear and see Andrew Luck on the sideline as a coach. Maybe bring Stanford back.
- [129:44]
A
You think Andrew Luck is GM head coach?
- [129:47]
E
I think he could. I think someone else could do the GM thing. I would love to see him because we. We know how he is as far as his mind when it comes to ball and then the competitor that he is as well. So I would love to see him kind of just, you know, giving it back to the boys through that program. And me and Ty were talking about before the show, I don't know if they'll ever be on the same level as these other bigger programs with the nil stuff. Stuff. Because you said they have to.
- [130:10]
D
Yeah. I don't know if that's real, but, like, they're one of the few schools who, like, it actually matters because, like, they're gonna have Olympians and, like, swimming and diving and stuff like that. Like, that stuff still very much matters.
- [130:19]
A
You're talking about Rev Share.
- [130:20]
D
Yeah, exactly.
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A
Yeah. Where the money's allocated to everything like that.
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E
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. Because they do love their Olympics, which is obviously huge. Andrew Luck. Yeah. I think it was the practice the night before. They showed it on game day. He was fired up talking about him. And then on the sideline while he's giving that interview, he's like. While he's talking, he's watching back at the game. It's like this guy's super invested, like general manager super invested and in age, him saying, let's get him coaching again. Maybe Andrew Luck is coaching this Stanford team next year going forward.
- [130:48]
E
Yeah.
- [130:49]
F
Don't you think his. His, like, post game and his weekly press conference, he'd be awesome because he does seem like he's very open. He would let you know how he feels. And he's so weirdly smart. I just like hearing him talk football anytime he. I yeah, I've always been a huge fan of him. I know you play played with them, but just hearing him talk football like he seems like he's light years ahead of a lot of people.
- [131:06]
A
Loves ball. I mean, absolutely.
- [131:08]
F
You can tell. I mean just that, that sideline interview. Come on now, like, right. I'd give him the job right there.
- [131:13]
A
Yeah. And good luck to him with Stanford. Obviously it's a big brand. I don't know if they've ever got more than 100 people in the stands for any other game other than Cal, but if anybody could do it, Andrew could definitely do it. So good luck to them. And then obviously the big storyline still in college ball is where the hell is Lane? Keep Kiffin go, where's Lane Kiffin going? Because obviously that sets off a dominoes for everywhere else and everything else. They got a massive game against Mississippi State coming up this Friday in the Egg Bowl. He is set to make the announcement, I guess on Saturday with the athletic director. The athletic director has come out and said, coach Kiffin and I or the vice chancellor, I'm sorry. Coach Kiffin and I have had many pointed and positive conversations regarding his future at Ole Miss, including meeting today with Chancellor Boyce While we discuss next step. We know we cannot lose sight of what is Most important our 6th ranked team that is poised to finish a regular season in historic fashion. Despite the outside noise, Coach Kiffin is focused on preparing our team for the Egg bowl. And together we want to ensure that our players and coaches can concentrate fully on next Friday's game. This team is on the cusp of an unprecedented season and it's imperative they feel the support of the Ole Miss family in the week ahead. And announcements. Announcement on Coach Kiffin's future is expected Saturday following the Egg Bowl. That's letting our fans know, can we get through this week, please? And then what we all want to know that's, that's the school sticking up for Kiffin because Coach Kiffin would like a little bit of time, probably like, hey, can I, can I get some time here to potentially think about this? I'm also in the biggest position that I've been in in some time and our school has never been in this situation. So I know there's a lot of everything every. Everybody wants me to answer everything, including fans of Ole Miss because when transfer portal is what everything else is. Can we just worry about what we got going on right now for me now is everybody around him that's doing the business of football, certainly getting all the information. Definitely But I think what this is is Lane meeting with the chancellor and everything going like, I would like to not have to worry about all this right now. Can we just put together the best season that we've ever had and can we beat Mississippi State and then I'll give you an answer on Saturday? Like, I think that was the. Can I please just get through this game and figure out what the hell I want to do, and then I'll give you an answer the next day, or we'll give a little bit of. I think that's what that was from the Chancellor and probably from Lane Kiffin.
- [133:24]
C
Very much so. It's funny you say that, because when itad jam was actually just put out a tweet, I think, like an hour or so ago, that basically said the similar thing right here from Trinidad to our fans, this team is completely locked in, living in the moment and staying true to our one and O mindset for the egg wall and future games. We are unbothered by anything about next year and fully trusting Coach Kiffin's leadership to keep us moving toward our goals. So that's feels like the message coming out we'll miss right now.
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A
Everybody's like, hey, can you let us play this game at least? And then we'll get an answer for everybody. We get it, we get it, we get it. Okay? But can we please. That's what that sounds like. And I'm happy they're doing that. But Ole Miss fans, Florida fans, LSU fans in these other places, like, yeah, yeah, good luck in the egg bowl. Knows. I don't. I don't think he knows.
- [134:07]
E
A.J. already told us.
- [134:08]
F
Is this the ultimatum that we were talking about? The Saturday press suppressor? That's the ultimatum.
- [134:12]
A
You got to make up your mind.
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F
One way or the other.
- [134:13]
A
There was never an ultimatum. But I do think.
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F
I know.
- [134:15]
A
I. No, but. Okay, okay, but. But just to kind of counter that, I do think probably all parties were like, hey, we need an answer. Like, I. I assume everybody is saying the same thing, you know, so. So I don't know if it's an ultimatum put on them, but I would assume all parties are like, we need the. Because we got to move. We. And then guess what's going to happen. Whenever the other place moves, there's going to be another coach. They're like, Basically like, hey, we need an answer. At some point here, we're going to need this. Because when the transfer portal is for, like, what football is now, to Nick Saban's point that he put out very well on college game day, it's like the calendar and the schedule right now completely screwed teams in this situation because, like, the coach staying with his team is just not going to be possible. And there's going to be a lot of teams that are going to be in the 9, 10, 11, 12 spot that might not be a blue blood and their coach is probably going to have a lot of attention on them. And how many times is this going to happen going forward in the playoffs? Probably pretty regularly with how everything's kind of set up right now. So there's a lot of. That has to kind of get figured out. Obviously. Obviously. And everybody. Coach Saban's coming from the coach's angle, Coach Saban's like, you're damned if you do damned. Like, this is not. You can't do this. From the player's perspective, it's like, we need to know what the hell is going on. Even though Win A dad says we're not focused by it. And from the fans perspective, they're like, we need to know that you're focused on the most important part of the season, which is the transfer portal, which really is the most important part of like, basically every single off season. Now.
- [135:46]
C
Yeah, let's just say, like, hypothetically, Lane decides to go to LSU or Florida and like Ole Miss.
- [135:54]
F
Can he coach the playoffs?
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C
Yeah, he's good, but here's the thing, like, he's. Playoffs are December 19th and 20th, and I think the next round is the 31st and the first. That's when the transfer portal is. So like, are you going to be coaching Ole Miss while doing the transporter stuff for LSU or Florida?
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A
And everybody says the transfer portal is just crazy speed dating for like three, four, four days where you got to try to learn as much as you possibly can about everybody, find out the price, and then, boom, you're moving on. So it's like the new schools are like, we need you fully focused on the shit what we're doing next year. And then Ole Miss could potentially be like, yeah, we need our new coach to know what the hell they're going to. It's just a. It's a bad situation.
- [136:34]
B
And with those guidelines, like, what if they're seventh, right, in the College Football Playoff, but then they come out and Lane Kiffin's not going to be their coach. And the College Football Playoff committees, like, you know what? Fuck it, let's put BYU and Texas Tech in. We don't need Ole Miss. Don't even have a coach.
- [136:47]
A
They can do that. They can do Put that in the, in the clause at the bottom. The clause is the clause that'd be.
- [136:53]
C
Very unfair to the Bon's a ball.
- [136:55]
A
Yeah, it'd be very unfair. It's a shitty.
- [136:59]
B
And what if Trinidad's going with them? Like, I, I love that tweet.
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A
That's the old. I mentioned that on game day. I was like. Because that's a real thought. Yeah, because like the old misfit fans are like, oh, so not only are you leaving, you're going to take our entire good team. Oh, man.
- [137:17]
D
If he does leave 19, I think they are going with him.
- [137:22]
A
You don't know who the next coach is going to be?
- [137:24]
D
No, certainly not. Could be, you know, Chuck Weiss Jr.
- [137:28]
A
Might come in and woo them. You never know what's going to happen next. Coach, maybe who I, I, I don't, I don't love the setup for him, but I'd like to reiterate my fact or point that I made on game day. It's like, he's allowed to be happy dude, and he's also allowed to let them figure out this whole thing and not be the person that gets thrown into the first fire, you know? Will there be other jobs that open up in the future, you think?
- [137:53]
B
No, this is it. This is the last year any college football coaches are being fired.
- [137:58]
A
So maybe he does have to make a decision right now to.
- [138:00]
B
Forever. Yeah, for the next 50 years.
- [138:02]
F
But also, there's never been this many big jobs available this early, I feel like.
- [138:05]
A
Yeah. And will that continue or not? Probably not, Right? We assume that everybody saw what happened whenever Penn State let go of James Franklin, and then every candidate for their job signed a new deal for more money than ever before. So maybe they'll wait for the firings until later. Maybe that'll be a forced decision. But if you wait till later, then who's controlling Transportal? You're behind eight ball.
- [138:25]
F
Yeah.
- [138:25]
A
There's no answer now. Coach Saban, I think, I don't know who said it. I think it was Coach Saban that said it. But I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't know if this is his exact thing. Somebody said it in a conversation. Coach Saban was part of the conversation. I think it was Coach Saban's brain. But if they would have kept the spring transfer portal and instead of doing spring ball, just do summer and do workouts through and just go into transfer training camp, you know, because nobody's really doing spring ball anymore. Nobody does a spring game anymore. Everybody's scared to death of spring. So if you do a spring transfer portal, and then you give more time before season to build team. Because the thing that was bad about the spring transfer portal was there's no time before training camp. Basically, spring ball is already over. So now we got nothing with these guys except for summer workouts and then training camp. So I think the. The answer to that would be spring transfer portal so that you don't have these issues with the whole thing. And then you would have to build up some sort of summer into training camp program and what the rules and guidelines would be. But in some of these places, it's 175 degrees in the middle of the summer, so you know how they handle all of it. And then schooling is involved in this, obviously, because it matters. A lot of these players making 15x what their teachers are making in the classes that they're in. What are we going to school for? To have a job. Have one. But I'll certainly respect what you're saying. I appreciate that. School matters. Get smart. You have a degree?
- [139:53]
E
Yep.
- [139:54]
A
AJ you have a degree?
- [139:55]
F
Yeah.
- [139:56]
A
You guys are awesome. You have a degree. Connor, you have a degree. I don't know, man.
- [140:03]
B
I got a. I got a freaking D minus in French.
- [140:06]
A
So you still don't know if you grab.
- [140:07]
B
I'm not sure.
- [140:09]
A
That's awesome. That's kind of a conundrum.
- [140:10]
B
I got this. I got this hat, so I know. I know that if I pull it, everything's gonna fall.
- [140:16]
A
Yeah. We saw his graduation.
- [140:17]
D
Yeah.
- [140:17]
A
Yeah. Did you graduate? Did you graduate?
- [140:20]
C
Yeah.
- [140:21]
A
Fox, did you graduate? Yes, sir. Bruce, did you graduate?
- [140:25]
B
Yeah.
- [140:26]
A
Nick, how many times did you graduate?
- [140:28]
C
Twice, actually.
- [140:30]
A
Gumpy.
- [140:32]
C
Hell yeah, brother school.
- [140:34]
B
Hard knocks, baby.
- [140:35]
A
Hell yeah. Gump, admit. Whoa.
- [140:40]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [140:40]
F
It didn't get his degree.
- [140:41]
A
I don't know if DePaul gave him one or not. He did not got his degree.
- [140:46]
B
I do not believe he's got his masters boozing degree.
- [140:49]
A
Yeah, exactly. All right, College game day this weekend is headed to Ann Arbor for, obviously, the game. How do you feel, A.J. about this one? Obviously, it's been a long time since the Buckeyes have beat the Michigan Wolverines. This one's up in Michigan. How do you feel going in? This feels like your best chance to maybe stop the trend of you. You guys losing to that team from up north.
- [141:12]
F
Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel pretty good. Obviously. Carnell Tate, Jeremiah Smith not playing this past week. It makes people worry a little bit, I guess. But hopefully they will be ready to roll in Ann Arbor on Saturday. But no, we, yeah, this is. The season starts now for Ohio State. We know that this is the, the biggest game and got to find a way to take care of business here and then continue to roll when it, when it truly matters.
- [141:34]
A
I can't wait to get up there.
- [141:35]
E
I don't.
- [141:36]
A
I, for some reason I always think it's not going to be good in Michigan. And then we get there and we're in like a tailgating parking lot and it's like very good. The vibes are always immaculate. And then we get into the stadium. It's just electrifying in there. So very pumped to get up there. Cannot wait to celebrate the Big Ten wrapping up its season here and the Ohio State Buckeyes dominating year. Can it be derailed once again? From the Michigan Wolverine.
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D
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A
It's that time again.
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D
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E
Okay?
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A
I got look good. Gotta look good.
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D
It's podcast game. People say it's an audio medium. It's not. It's all things now. We got clips there, social media clips.
- [142:38]
A
You think I'm stray hair?
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B
Come on.
- [142:40]
D
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B
Football.
- [143:10]
A
He's magical. That's AJ Hawk. The toxic tables here at boss of Connor and that Ty Schmidt, one half of the Hammer Cowboys. AP tone is here. A nine year NFL vet, Darius Jay Butler. The boys behind the glass are obviously kicking out on this particular overreaction Monday. We appreciate that. We also know that the Internet has been doing its thing. I put out a tweet this morning like I do every single Monday of football season, asking for people to send in their thoughts, their emotions, their feelings about their favorite football team. All you got to use is I don't want to overreact, but this morning was an active one. Obviously there's a lot of different feelings from a lot of different teams and a lot of different communities. Ty, you go through these every single week, can pick out your favorites. I believe we have 12 of them today. What was the kind of the narrative or the sense today?
- [143:53]
D
I'd say quite a few teams have kind of just given up and they just don't feel like overreacting anymore. And really? Yeah, it's. It's getting a lot harder to find some of those ones. And then you have days like today where it seems like no matter how many scrolls you have, it's just a lot of people are upset with the Eagles and a lot of people are upset with the Steelers. So, like, that was a lot of it.
- [144:14]
A
Shout out Pennsylvania football.
- [144:16]
D
Exactly.
- [144:16]
A
Yeah. Because Ohio football fans will be the same way, but their teams are where they are.
- [144:20]
D
Exactly.
- [144:20]
A
So that is kind of how it goes with that tribe of people or peoples. Let's dive into these overreactions, shall we? This is from Tone Diggs from Pittsburgh. I don't want to overreact, but I'm going to tie my feet to cinder blocks and accidentally drop a 30 pound frozen turkey into the biggest pot of boiling oil I can find because that will be less painful than having to watch another. Another snap of the team that calls themselves the Pittsburgh steelers. Hashtag important1 here. Don't drink and drive. Hashtag Happy Thanksgiving. Tone, do you think you're overreacting in this moment or not?
- [144:54]
C
No, I don't. And this also is a bit of a dual threat. Overreaction tweet. It's one. It's getting my point across about how disgusted I am about the current state of the Pittsburgh Steelers while also reminding people, hey, Happy Thanksgiving, it's Thanksgiving week. Don't drink and drive Wednesday night because it's a big drink and drive night for all you college kids. Call an Uber, please. And also, if you haven't seen the fire safety videos, be careful. You cannot drop a frozen turkey into a pot of boiling oil because then the whole house catches on fire. But overall.
- [145:22]
A
And also cinder blocks to your feet.
- [145:24]
D
So that I would die.
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A
So.
- [145:26]
C
So that I couldn't get away so that the oil would get on me. I would catch on fire so that I don't have to watch Josh Allen drag his balls across the Steelers face after 10 days rest after the worst game that he's ever played.
- [145:37]
A
Got you, Lipton Tea type situation potentially around the corner. And I appreciate you said this thing has layers. Now, let's not just read the. This is layered. There's. There's a bunch of different ways to kind of end it. And then watching the Steelers, I'd rather do less than all those things. And it's because you knew that the team wasn't going to go. And every week you're trying to prove that fact. Or do you think you guys are just bad fans? You guys are 6 and 5 still in the middle of playoff hunt. Aaron Rodgers coming back healthy next week. You guys still have it all in front of your team. Invested 30 million in a wide receiver trade, made some big trades. Do you not think maybe you guys should just be pumped up about the whole entire journey of the Pittsburgh Steelers this year? Kind of.
- [146:15]
C
But it's also because I'm a fucking idiot and I had hope going into this game. I said, oh, the boys are playing all right. Right now. The Bears, you know, they might be a paper tiger.
- [146:22]
D
Okay.
- [146:23]
C
And we're going to be able to prove that on Sunday. No, we were not. We're the more of the paper tiger. The worst of the paper tiger.
- [146:28]
D
The.
- [146:29]
E
The.
- [146:30]
C
The tracing paper where you can barely.
- [146:31]
B
You don't even.
- [146:32]
C
You can see through the paper. That's what the Pittsburgh Steelers are right now. It's a mess. I let them. I let them play with my emotions every single week and season. And just for the same to happen every single.
- [146:43]
A
A lot of people giving up, right?
- [146:44]
C
Yep.
- [146:45]
A
Six and five.
- [146:49]
C
AJ Had a ball left.
- [146:50]
F
What?
- [146:51]
C
Did you watch any of the game?
- [146:52]
F
Yeah, of course. What do you mean? They could have won that game.
- [146:54]
D
Could have.
- [146:56]
A
Okay. But we all kind of knew, which is what I think Steelers were fans are saying. That's what Steelers fans are.
- [147:00]
C
It's like the same dumb happens.
- [147:02]
D
We're up.
- [147:03]
C
I think it was 14, 7. We're on the 30 going in run the worst tush push of all time. So instead of going up 217, they get the ball and then co back and make it 1414. So it's like, oh, that's exactly what happened.
- [147:15]
A
But don't you guys have an innovative tush push?
- [147:16]
C
We did have a sick, innovative tush p. Tush push from Kenneth Gainwell. He got down to the one and then we scored on the next play. That was sick.
- [147:22]
D
That was cool.
- [147:23]
C
That was something that we don't normally, normally do.
- [147:25]
A
Steelers fans are certainly going through it and they have been all season, especially with the ride that it's been. And Aaron Rodgers will say, re L A X. Dude, why don't we relax. We still got a lot of games left. But Pittsburgh fans also going through it because you remember talking about rides a couple weeks ago it was said that the Pittsburgh Pirates were possibly maybe going to be primed up to make a deal of $80 million for free agent signing. And I literally in real time once reading this headline said that's not real. That sounds fake. How is that even possible that they were ready to almost potentially prime up a multi million dollar offer that they've never done before. Oh well, the guy signed to the other place. But they were going to make the offer. That's exciting. Turns out that's all bullshit. They were never going to do anything. Never forced to do anything. This. It all came together so quick we didn't even get a chance to really wrap our minds about. But maybe, maybe. I got a simple question. Maybe there goes going to.
- [148:16]
C
We're just going to trust what the athletic puts out now.
- [148:18]
E
It's a fair question.
- [148:20]
A
A lot of journalism stuff happening right now all around us. Let's just keep it moving. All I'm saying is the injur fans, it's all angles.
- [148:28]
D
Yeah.
- [148:28]
A
But the Pens. Good.
- [148:32]
D
Still good. Okay, thank you.
- [148:35]
C
River Hans.
- [148:36]
A
River Hans just won the whole goddamn thing. 00. Won the whole thing.
- [148:40]
D
Wow.
- [148:40]
A
Yeah. Yeah. Riverhound just won the usl, brother.
- [148:45]
F
That was on TV actually I saw a little bit of it on TV I believe this weekend cbs.
- [148:48]
A
Yes, I watched it as well. That thing went the penalties. After a really cagey a00 affair. The Riverhounds goalie was standing on his head basically all damn USL season, certainly through the USL playoffs. And it goes the penalties. Local Pittsburgh guy, Meister, I believe is his name. Is that Meister's Last name? Pittsburgh Kid 1, Topper St. Clair, very good player. He had a penalty scored, I think all the boys did. So yeah. Congrats to Pittsburgh Riverhounds. Pittsburgh Penguins are good. Pirates are maybe potentially going to possibly think about maybe spending money sometime because they got to say pitcher. And the Pittsburgh Steelers are still six and five. They're still six and five. There's Pittsburgh River Hounds right there. Champion.
- [149:29]
F
What's the usl? Is this affiliated with the. You know, the other one?
- [149:33]
A
No. So the other MLS is the mls and then the USO I believe would be considered the one right below. So like if this was in relegation world like in the. In the the England area, I believe the Riverhounds would be going up to the Premier League because. And then three of the bottom teams would be going down to this particular league. But there's no relegation. There's owners who've spent money on MLS teams and owners that haven't spent money on MLS teams. So the owners that spend the money on mls, MLS teams are saying, why would we ever, in a million years agree to potentially go to a smaller league? We wouldn't. Okay, England has that because it's been hundreds of years. That's how they do it. We're not signing up for that. Even though everybody in America thinks it would be awesome for American sports. And the Pittsburgh Riverhounds probably win the MLS if the Vancouver Whitecaps don't. Did you see this?
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D
I don't think so, buddy.
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A
Burhalter.
- [150:22]
E
Well, league.
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C
What day was this?
- [150:23]
E
MBLS Inter is going to win that.
- [150:26]
A
No. Vancouver's got the best ball striker in the history of the United States of America named Sebastian Burhalter. This guy is the boy of Greg Bur. This boy is a player. And they won in penalties over the weekend against another team, lafc. There it is.
- [150:41]
D
They're good.
- [150:42]
C
Two of the best teams. They got Sonny from Tottenham Hotspur paid him like $50 million to get him to LA. He scored two, scored a free kick in the 95th to tie it.
- [150:51]
F
Where are they getting that money?
- [150:52]
B
Did see that. That free kick was absurd.
- [150:54]
C
Caps won it in penalties. Burhalter took the first one.
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A
Burhalter is a guy. We need to just know this. When the World cup comes around, we are going to be pumped that we know Burhalter. I think he's going to make a couple free kicks in the World Cup. I think he'll probably potentially take shirt off at some point. I think he's got a 14 pack. Very, very handsome. Loves America. Loves America. Was born in London. His dad American, playing for Crystal palace, obviously, all that stuff, but he's, like, very proud to be an American, which is what we need. This is what we need on this team. He's not the only one. A bunch are. And he was on the concave pod and him, Gumpy and Jeff Cameron were having a conversation, which is really cool. They're becoming like A Men's National. U.S. men's National Team podcast, basically, which is very awesome. But I went in there to talk to him and I said, hey, it feels like your team. We're not gonna be just flopping all over the place, right? We're not doing. America doesn't. Like, whenever our team flops, he goes, absolutely not. We got dogs everywhere. We're not floppers. Like, that's. That's what he said, it's like a point. They got in a fight two games ago.
- [151:51]
F
It's like, oh, yeah, I saw some of that. Are we favorites to win the World Cup?
- [151:55]
A
We should be, but we're not. People are sleeping on us. People are sleeping on. That's right where we want to be.
- [151:59]
E
I like that.
- [152:00]
F
Right where we want to be.
- [152:00]
A
But remember, Ponchettino gets hired very late in the World cup cycle to become the U.S. men's National Team. Coach Ponchettino has had success in the past and is a dog. English is certainly his second language, but it was very late and Everybody thought the U.S. men's National Team was kind of ruining it. But he had a mindset at the entire time, like, I don't care about the Gold Cup. I don't care about the Super Duper Cup. I don't care about this other Cup. I care about the World Cup. And he was trying to find his team and set in the culture. And I think they found a company. When we all agree with that, I think that is legit. And it's. We're not floppers, we're dogs. And we are very proud to be an American. That. That is kind of what it feels like.
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G
Yeah.
- [152:33]
C
They're very talented bunch. And the key part is here, they're in pot one for the draw because they're a host. So you get a nice favorable draw to get into the knockout round and then just take off from there.
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A
And if you get into the knockout round, obviously, that's when you can just start really, you know, taking over, gaining steam. And from Luna to obviously Burhalter, we still got pic who will be a player. We got studs.
- [152:56]
C
He scored. Pisic scored a massive goal in the Milan derby yesterday too. Like everyone's balling right now.
- [153:01]
A
Yeah.
- [153:01]
B
And the goalie is. Aren't both of our goalies good?
- [153:04]
C
Freeze stood on his head last night for NYC FC to make. Make a massive upset in the MLS cup as well.
- [153:11]
A
Yeah. So I think we have in our team will fight you, which I think is all we really want most important. Yeah.
- [153:15]
F
Yeah.
- [153:15]
A
We're not flopping around. You actually quote tweeted the concave a clip and said if this team's not flopping, I can be back in on him. And I think that's a real thing.
- [153:23]
B
Yeah. I don't really care if we win or lose, but if we go out there and we look soft and lose, that's a problem. If we go out there and beat the fuck out of teams and then lose let's go soccer. Like I'm in.
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A
Let's go soccer.
- [153:35]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [153:36]
A
Go ahead, aj. You feel the same way?
- [153:38]
F
No, I'm saying they're going to.
- [153:38]
B
We.
- [153:39]
F
As long score doesn't matter. As long as, like, you know, you played the US Team like, you're. You're beat up pretty good. Hopefully we win the game. But you want to be that team that everybody is scared to play because they're. They're physically intimidated by how your. Your pace of play and the pressure you put on.
- [153:52]
A
Pace of play. Isn't that thing with punch. Ponch has a relentless pace of play. Like, kind of like Carlisle. Kind of like Carlisle. We run people off the field.
- [153:58]
D
I think the best coach in the world.
- [154:00]
A
Who's that?
- [154:01]
D
Punch Ponch. Ponchettino. Not the best of all time. Much better than Poop Guardiola.
- [154:06]
A
Oh, you're saying bad things about Poop Guardiola. I don't. I don't think you know pep at all.
- [154:11]
D
No, I. I don't.
- [154:12]
B
I just.
- [154:12]
D
I know he's what a lot of people would consider him, like, the greatest skipper of all time, but he's no Punch Ponchetino. No, he's not that. Yeah, I know that.
- [154:20]
A
You know, Ponch. Ponchettino actually played in coach at Burnley at one point.
- [154:24]
D
No big deal.
- [154:25]
A
No. Yeah.
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C
Espanol.
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B
Oh, thank God. Okay.
- [154:29]
A
Yeah.
- [154:30]
B
Okay.
- [154:30]
A
Oh, my God.
- [154:31]
B
Bringing Burnley tactics.
- [154:32]
A
I mean, all of a sudden, me too, actually. That is much better. No offense. Burnley.
- [154:36]
B
Yeah.
- [154:38]
A
Respect. Respect. Respect.
- [154:40]
F
What position?
- [154:42]
A
All of them.
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B
Whichever one you need.
- [154:43]
D
The most important ones.
- [154:45]
A
Yeah.
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E
Or primarily center back.
- [154:47]
F
I know what those are.
- [154:48]
A
Did you hear him talk to the media?
- [154:49]
D
No.
- [154:50]
A
Oh, it was awesome. You should. You would like him. I do like him. I love him. No, but you would like. You would like to hear him.
- [154:57]
B
I love him.
- [154:58]
D
I don't care what he. Absolutely not. I did.
- [155:00]
B
Yeah.
- [155:00]
D
Until the World Cup, I. I certainly will not be looking at anything like Burhalter. I. I love this guy. I don't give a rat's ass until he's dawning the Stars and Stripes, you know, Good luck.
- [155:12]
A
I'm just telling you to give a little. Just little prep here. These are some names.
- [155:16]
D
Okay. It doesn't find its way to my algorithm.
- [155:18]
A
I don't know why. I don't know why I'm hoping. Pontino, Pontino, Pontino.
- [155:22]
D
I will. I'll take all the Punch Pontino I can. Can. I can stomach.
- [155:26]
A
You remember the Elko Press?
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D
Yes.
- [155:28]
A
Interaction a few weeks ago?
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D
Yes.
- [155:30]
A
Ponchettino. Same Thing and English, second language. So him trying to find words to tell these people they need to.
- [155:36]
D
I do like that.
- [155:36]
A
Yeah. I'll tell you, it is.
- [155:38]
D
I'll watch it after the show.
- [155:39]
A
And he loves America. He loves America. He talks about the greatest job, the whole thing. It's like, all right, dude, let's go win this thing. It's in America. And you said the hype is real down in South Florida, obviously.
- [155:49]
E
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, obviously, a melting pot. A lot of people from a lot of different parts of the world, but people are very, very excited. I believe maybe last night my driver was telling me it's going to be seven games here or seven different places or something like that. Seven or eight. So, yeah.
- [156:03]
D
Excited.
- [156:03]
C
All the games are here.
- [156:04]
B
What?
- [156:04]
D
It's the host nation. I hope we have that money.
- [156:07]
A
Yeah.
- [156:07]
B
I think they got like 60 games.
- [156:08]
E
Here or seven places, seven venues.
- [156:10]
B
Oh, oh. Like in Miami, they're.
- [156:12]
E
I mean, it's soccer, so I don't know.
- [156:14]
A
Okay.
- [156:17]
E
Yeah.
- [156:17]
A
Oh, I've been. I've been in so many of those combos. The guy said the number seven, and then you probably get. Oh, yeah, well, let me pull. Let me pull. Seven. There were seven somethings, man. Seven somethings. Feels like it's an important number.
- [156:32]
C
Eleven cities in the U.S. yeah.
- [156:34]
A
Seven games. Probably in Miami. Yeah, probably seven games. It's gonna be hot down there for now, isn't the.
- [156:41]
B
Wait is the final. No, it's at Jerry World.
- [156:43]
C
Yeah.
- [156:44]
F
Okay.
- [156:45]
A
Oh, you know that.
- [156:46]
B
Yeah.
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A
You know, Jerry's washing from the 50. Oh. Bring grass in, I think everywhere. Yeah. Every single stadium, which is obviously a big talking point. It certainly will be about the NFL players saying, what's this all about? It's other sports. You know, it's a world sport on America.
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F
We don't need the. We don't need the stadium where it rises and lowers and they grow it underneath. Like they're. It's true. Like, there still seems in. When it rises up, you know, it's actually at MetLife.
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C
The finals at MetLife. Oh, they did the Club World cup final there, too.
- [157:15]
A
Man. They're super duper. 100 million one.
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C
Yeah, it's terrible.
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B
Why would they do it outside?
- [157:20]
F
Club World Cup.
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A
Yeah. Let's not. We got domes.
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B
Like, what are we.
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A
We got domes everywhere. Let's have perfect weather. It's the Super Bowl. It's a World Cup.
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E
I guess soccer doesn't look right in the dome.
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D
I agree.
- [157:31]
E
In my opinion.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I agree.
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F
It should be outside. Are they going to get that outdoor air conditioning.
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C
Land, sea. I want to throw up.
- [157:37]
A
That was Qatar. Oh, I don't think we have the same weather. Maybe Miami, I don't know, maybe down in Miami could get real hot, especially with that humidity down there. But in Qatar, sorry. I believe they did have to make outside air conditioners blowing on the field for. Because of how hot storage. It's very hot over there.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
- [157:53]
A
Very, very hot here. We got. We'll see how the fields are. Should be. Should be good. And it's America.
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C
Millions of people died.
- [157:59]
A
Let's go to the next overreaction for our football. The best football lord, Zito. Viva Lazarus. Zito riding high. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but Ben Johnson is the ultimate difference maker. 12 weeks into his first season, he already has more wins than eber flu had in his entire time with duh Bears. We got duguy hashtag duh Bears with incredible AI work out of Zito there. With Ben Johnson in the crown on they should feel great about where they're at. Zito's buzzing around a Thunderdome.
- [158:27]
D
Oh yeah.
- [158:28]
A
The p optimizing of the Thunderdome is about to happen with Zito around here. We had ice cream maker in here for the last three years. Nobody's ever touched it. Zito automatically makes ice cream with it. We have a margarita maker that has been flipped into an ice cold Jack Daniels.
- [158:46]
D
Ice cold booze flowing up.
- [158:47]
A
We got more Internet pounce it through this place. We have stuff being hung on walls. I mean Zito right now is in his bag, I think is how you would describe. But also with the Bears winning I think has helped his entire moot.
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D
Oh yeah.
- [159:00]
A
I think life is a lot better for Zito.
- [159:03]
F
And how about his gout? How about the gout though with the victory stakes?
- [159:06]
D
It's coming.
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A
Yeah. These are big stakes. He's house and obviously he should enjoy them all. And I like how tender and juicy they all look. Whenever he posted is obviously a very, very well cooked thing. But the Chicago Bears are for real and they are duckings of duh north. And everybody that's a Bears fan is living like kings right now, including Zito. And this is. This is what Sunday nights are now for Zito. Yeah, it's no longer just a celebration. When I was growing up, we go down to a Pirates game because it was a cheap ticket. We're going to see Zambeli fireworks for sure. If the Pirates win, that's a bonus for Zito. If the Bears won, I'm going to Eat a steak. I'm just going to treat myself to a steak. It was such an abnormal thing. It was such, like, a holiday, a celebration of sorts. Now it's just a weekly occurrence. It's a new rule, routine. I'm eating out of a perfectly cooked steak. I'm gonna have a little broccoli, and I'm gonna pack it down.
- [159:57]
D
That is the biggest piece of broccolini I've ever seen in my life. That's. I mean, it looked like he went out to his backyard and ripped an entire bush out of the ground.
- [160:06]
A
You're not saying you're cooking this, right? You ordered this. You ordered it. That looked like three or something. Like, that was 1933. Who.
- [160:23]
D
Executive chef is, you know, St. Elmo's guy.
- [160:25]
A
So, yeah, I've seen that broccolini before. Hey, you earned it, Z.
- [160:29]
D
Got a baby Z.
- [160:30]
A
You earned it, Z.
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B
Boy, Z.
- [160:31]
A
Let's go to the next one, shall we? This one is obviously a loud Philly crowd. This one's from Michael Gettys at Underscore. Michael Gettys. Hashtag. I don't want to react, but if Kevin Piubolo didn't wake up with a horse's head in his bed today, then I don't know what the value of Big Don has for the birds. Fire Pitullo and that field of pun at your own three Gibson into the sun and move on to the Fraud Bears. Hashtag, go Birds. Dickheads. Love that. Love everything about that. Petullo's not well liked. I saw a lot of people calling for Big Dom to do what Big Dom's supposed to do here.
- [161:11]
B
Bingo.
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A
For the good of the city. Big Dom, I thought that's what it was about. That's what everybody's kind of saying. Coach Sirianni, he asked to support Pulo. He hired him, right. With the city of Philadelphia, seemingly, the Johns are saying over there is, hey, Dom, that's not your job. Hey, Big Dom. Your job is to look out for the city. That is kind of what you do around here. What? What are you doing? Is that. Is that a Just. You were catching?
- [161:30]
D
Yeah, without a doubt. And that's why I kind of said, you know what? I'll go with the Godfather. Route the horse's head in the bed, I think is better than people basically saying, hey, Big. Big Dom, Go take this guy somewhere and shoot him in the back of the head. Which is what a lot of it was like. People don't want him fired. They don't want him out of town. They want him dead Philly. Yeah, exactly. And you know, Sirianni by association gets a lot of that as well. But he's a head coach of an 8 and 3 football team. So, you know, I think Sirianni, you know, you may be. Maybe you're right to say, hey, Kevin, you blow. You know, this guy talks, Paul, you blow. I think you can just get rid of that, Kevin. Ubo. This guy, this guy sucks at his job. That's what everybody's saying. And this isn't like a one week thing. This has been going on since. Since week one.
- [162:15]
A
Every problem that the Eagles have, the Eagles fans think, if we get rid of this guy, it's all gone. Yeah. Think about how happy AJ Will be. AJ Will be getting the ball. Jaylen won't have to deal with this entire thing. Maybe Saquon can do the Saquon stuff. This guy not the same as last year. Last year, good. Remember this year? Not good. This guy move them, AJ that'd be a crazy move. We just saw Chip get fired out there in Las Vegas. Obviously moves have been made mid season before Pittsburgh Steelers fired their offense coordinator last year. It is something that is feasible and possible. Do you think it's plausible with the Philadelphia Eagles?
- [162:54]
F
I think anything is possible with the Eagles. I feel like, yeah. With the reaction that we get every single game they play, like, okay, let's say the Eagles pulled that game out and they won last yesterday. Then like, are we still killing? Killing whatever.
- [163:05]
A
You calling them now?
- [163:06]
D
Yes.
- [163:07]
A
Patolo, what do you call?
- [163:09]
F
Yes. Are you going? I have seen like, I even saw a clip of. Nick Foles is on a podcast talking about just like all the route combinations, how they're kind of predictable and they're not, you know, they're not playing to the strengths of their receivers and everything. So I'm sure there's definitely something to it. I cannot imagine what those meetings are like. What. What do you think the staff meetings are like there, where you're trying like every, like just trying to figure it out, trying to get going. What do you think? Hey, we're about to get going. I mean, AJ was. AJ was hot early. He had multiple targets early in that game, multiple balls. Like you would think that would calm things down, but it didn't really.
- [163:38]
A
Do you think Sirianni's telling Coach Patullo that on the Internet they're calling him Piu Blow and he doesn't think that. Do you think Sirianni's opening meetings with that or how do you think that goes?
- [163:48]
D
I would assume so he's probably praising Vic Fangio for about 15 minutes. Minutes. And be like, unfortunately, Kevin, everybody hates your gun. I don't really got anything positive to say about you. We better keep winning, you know, because you remember Brian Johnson a couple years ago? It's kind of same deal. You know, I didn't fire in mid season, but as soon as we got beat in the playoffs, you know, I beheaded the guy. Had to. Didn't have a choice.
- [164:09]
A
Why don't you call place?
- [164:12]
D
Because I'm the.
- [164:12]
A
I saw mcdc. I saw MC DC do it. I saw mcdc do it.
- [164:17]
D
Yeah, he looked pretty good. You know, he needed Jamar Jameer Gibbs to run for 800 yards to beat the Giants. So, yeah, you know, hey, if we want to act like MCDC's, you know, Tom Landry or, you know, Bill Walsh, we could do that. That's fine. I'm the CEO of this football team. I hired Kevin Patulo. If he can't get the job done, you know, that's. That's gonna be on him. And then maybe next year, you know, I. I do dust off the old playbook and I call playbook.
- [164:40]
E
Oh, really?
- [164:41]
B
Yeah.
- [164:41]
D
We'll see.
- [164:41]
B
I don't know.
- [164:42]
A
Wow.
- [164:42]
B
I don't know.
- [164:43]
D
But, you know, hey, this is my decision, and I understand this guy sucks at his job, but it's close to holidays with Thanksgiving is right around corn Christmas. You know, I'm not your favorite side.
- [164:54]
A
What's your favorite Thanksgiving side?
- [164:55]
D
I eat dog food. Only for Thanksgiving. Don't even. Don't even cook a turkey. Takes way too long. 25 pounder. That takes you, what, like, 16, 18 hours? I'm football coach. Think I got time to do that? Of course not. So, you know, we'll see.
- [165:07]
A
I might do like, kibbles and bits of bacon mix.
- [165:10]
D
Yeah, exactly. If I'm really feeling up to it, you know, I might get like, one of the nice bags of purina. You know, like, you feed your dog if he has a bad tummy. Like, maybe I do that for Thanksgiving, special occasion. But I don't have time to eat. Okay.
- [165:24]
A
You got a lot of drama over there. Yeah.
- [165:25]
D
You're calling for my job every week. I won super bowl last year. I'm 8 and 3 this year, and they're acting like I'm, you know, brand Staley. So I. I need to, you know, I'm trying to just keep my head above like, every single week.
- [165:37]
A
All right, let's go to the next overreaction. That's probably a good idea, coach. Thank you for joining us, Coach Tyrioni from Corey Buchanan. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Bucks are cooked. Get toilet Todd. In this entire shitty coaching staff. A Walmart application. Absolutely embarrassing the way the Bucks defense has played the last three games. Come back soon, Baker, you're our only hope. Baker getting hurt. Blowout loss like that defense obviously playing against a juggernaut. I mean, it has looked knocked not good for the Bucks. Is that three straight now?
- [166:07]
C
Yeah, losses, I think Pat's Bills.
- [166:13]
A
Three straight, I think.
- [166:15]
B
Yeah. With five week Patriots bills and now. Yeah, yesterday.
- [166:19]
A
It looks so good there for a while.
- [166:20]
B
Yeah.
- [166:21]
E
I mean even with all the early wins, Baker was making magic late. Three straight and four or five walk off field goals.
- [166:26]
A
Yeah, last Playboys.
- [166:28]
E
Yeah, exactly. Were close, close, close. And then now you get, get kind of this mid season stretch. Guys are banged up now your quarterback's banged up. And this defense not been doing many fades.
- [166:37]
C
They started five and one.
- [166:39]
A
This happened a couple times now with this Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Baker at the helm and obviously injuries are part of that whole thing. And Baker's happy. It's nothing, you know, structurally, I mean. But what Matthew Stafford did last night was outrageous. I don't know if anybody's stopping him, but obviously getting blown out is not good news for a team that has hopes. Every time they show coach tomorrow, Todd Bulls on the sideline, there's no. Nothing. No.
- [166:58]
C
I thought the same thing last night.
- [167:00]
A
They show him a lot and it's just, it's normally just the same exact reaction. I assume. I assume he's a guy that doesn't want to get too high or too low, like always wants to be the same. But your fans will definitely get to a point where what does this guy do? I don't see him doing it. Yeah, Jim Caldwell is kind of in the same boat. Jim Caldwell was my first head coach. Obviously was head coach whenever we went to the super bowl and lost it. I love this. I love everything about how much fun they were having out there, but he never really got too high or too low. It was like always the same exact guy. That's like kind of his style. That was his strategy. That was his entire technique. I wonder if Todd Bowles is the same way. And they just catch him on camera every time doing his thing and then they go, well, we're continuing to lose. You're doing nothing, so we need to get better. I do wonder how that all goes.
- [167:42]
D
Yeah.
- [167:43]
F
If you don't win. If you don't win. No Matter what. Whether you're like say you're a super high energy guy and the sidelines going crazy. Yeah. Or you are very stoic and don't have much reaction. If you're winning, you're a genius and it's great. And if you're losing then you suck and they want you fired.
- [167:55]
A
Yeah. Everything's sweet whenever you're winning. And then Mr. Starts losing some games and everybody starts pointing fingers a little differently. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? Riley Lewis at Lewis. Riley, I like how you did that. Hashtag I don't want to overreact but Shane stinking is a fraud.
- [168:14]
E
Oh no.
- [168:16]
D
There are a lot of these today. I was, I was quite frankly, I.
- [168:19]
A
Was shocked up for. He sounds like it up 14 on the Chiefs and he thinks it's time to coast. It only took two weeks for this team to go from first place in the AFC to not making a playoffs. No way this team wins in Clontown or the stride house. Hashtag clean house. Jeez. No, that's a little bit too overreacting of an overreaction here. They're still the damn Chiefs. Okay. They're still the damn Chiefs. But on that note, I did not like what I saw either. That was a tough game to watch. I think a lot of flags made it a very difficult game to watch. I mean there was a flag on basically every single play and if there wasn't a flag, there's people begging for flags. And on defensive front feels like if you run crossing routes against us, we're in trouble. It feels like we are in trouble. And I think this was something that coach Lou Annarumo like circled and was excited about. And Mooney obviously first game back. So who knows how game shape and everything like that he is and how he will be going down there. But I think Lou Anaruma was excited. We had two number one corners so that he could go, man. And then Andy Reid said that's cute, man. That's really cute. Are they as fast as our guys and are they going to be able to run just directly across the field every single time? And they, they. Is this going to happen to us against everybody? Rashid Rice and Xavier Worthy a little bit different animals.
- [169:32]
E
Yeah, we'll figure it out. It was Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City and you know they just got dominated. Move the ball too. They had 33 first downs to our 10. He had 10 first downs all day and then they absolutely dominated 33 to 10. So you're not going to win many ball games, even though we were up then late in the game, there was a time, I think around maybe 5 minute mark around midfield where we probably should have went for it on fourth down because of how the game was going. But yeah, when you have the personnel, you got all Pro Mooney, you traded two first rounders for Sauce Gardner and you have Kenny Moore, who's one of the highest paid best nickels in the game. You know, you got to be able to go men, then up front, you got to get home. And I would like to drop a robber in there, maybe get some more eyes on the quarterback to make some plays on the football. But this was a tough out. But I'm not. I might call him Shane Stinking.
- [170:17]
C
They did a special last night on Football in America where it was like all. For the first three quarters, Colts did a lot of rushing. Three, dropping eight. And then the fourth quarter they decided to go all men and that's when they got beat. But I didn't know maybe this person who tweeted this isn't a Colts fan. Because everyone in the nation, all the team's fan bases, realized they had a chance up 11 to. To kill the Chiefs forever, and they didn't.
- [170:41]
A
Don't hold that against us.
- [170:43]
B
There's a lot of people.
- [170:44]
C
People are.
- [170:44]
A
No, don't. We're a fun team.
- [170:46]
B
There's a lot of people holding out against you.
- [170:48]
A
No, we're.
- [170:49]
C
You had a chance to kill them. No, but remember, they are who we thought they are and you let them off the hook.
- [170:53]
B
Yeah, exactly. Didn't see any of that.
- [170:55]
D
That's. So that's the big thing, though. It's like every in the last however many weeks, like if they had any type of lead, you salt the game away. Because Jonathan Taylor was rushing for 150 to 200 yards. Yesterday was the first day where he didn't have like an otherworldly game, I think. Yeah, he had 16 rushes for 58 yards. Like he. He hasn't done that all year. So it was kind of just like one of those, you know, it was just. It was just the Chiefs day and.
- [171:17]
B
There should be a limit on how many times one guy can line up on gone calves or whatever the fuck is name is, because Chris Jones just kept lining up on him.
- [171:24]
A
It's just kind of over. Tony Romo kept saying, chris Jones under pressure. This is all happening because of Chris Jones. Chris Jones, Chris Jones, Chris Jones. And they show the replay and it's like, yeah, Chris Jones was certainly dancing with Danny Dimes. There for a while yesterday. And Dan Dimes made some big time throws. I like that to be said. We learn from this and we move forward.
- [171:44]
C
They were outside on the grass too.
- [171:46]
F
Who do you play next game?
- [171:48]
A
What's that big one?
- [171:49]
E
Houston.
- [171:50]
A
Huge game at home. Finally back at the crib. That defense is on fire, as Arch Manning would say. Yeah, you're right. They're deep. That's exactly what we want in the Great opportunity.
- [172:01]
F
Great opportunity for the Colts.
- [172:03]
A
That's right.
- [172:03]
B
Is it Doug Mills? I hope not.
- [172:06]
E
No, it'll be cj.
- [172:08]
A
Sure.
- [172:08]
D
Doug Mills has got a hot hand.
- [172:10]
E
Right now, according to Shifty.
- [172:12]
A
Are you reading their reaction tweets or is this real?
- [172:16]
D
That's me, brother. That's me thinking. Doug, Doug Mills. Imagine what he would be doing if he was in Minnesota right now.
- [172:22]
A
Oh, my God. Dougie Mills. And a Kevin o'. Connell. Oh, geez. Especially how Paul and Biggie.
- [172:28]
B
He's built for Minnesota.
- [172:30]
A
Yeah, he's what's going on out there. Yeah, like Glennon.
- [172:34]
D
Exactly.
- [172:35]
A
Lennon should have been with koc. I don't know if they ever crossed path because Glennon said hut. And then boom. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about.
- [172:46]
E
Yeah.
- [172:47]
A
Reach.
- [172:47]
B
Yeah, Bring him. Osweiler.
- [172:49]
A
Could you imagine? Oh, my God. Because as long as you can get the snap and then just see everything, you got to know everything going on. This is the Caleb story. Caleb reading the defense is pre snap. Knowing where he's supposed to go with the ball is a huge. That's a huge jump in football knowledge. That's a big deal. If I'm a Bears fan, that's what I'm maybe most excited about is like before the snap goes, you know, that he knows what's on, going, happening because he's turning his back and firing. That's a pick. If he doesn't know what's going, he has to have full conviction about what he's supposed to do. So that's. That's really good news. I think if I'm a Bears fan is like, hey, he knows what the hell's going on right now. And that's only going to become more and more and more as they go. And on the flip side, Minnesota doesn't feel like that. Let's get to a Minnesota overreaction, shall we? It's from Ethan Iberg. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Vikings are the most doomed franchise in NFL history. 4th best win percentage with no Lombardi show for it. Allergic to finding a franchise quarterback. Yet always good enough to not have a good draft pick. I'm ready to join DBUT and find a new team. What do you think?
- [173:48]
E
Finally, I'm seeing more and more of this every week. More and more. Come on.
- [173:52]
A
Especially as the season unravels.
- [173:53]
E
Don't let one franchise ruin your happiness for what, five, six months. Don't do it.
- [173:59]
A
Yeah, you can't do it. Especially if your team is one of those teams that potentially ruins people's happiness week in, week out. Vikings should not be that last year Super Bowl. That's the big issue is like, they had a team that we all thought could go on a run. And what all the experts were saying was, if we get any semblance of quarterback play at quarterback for this Vikings team, with how they're built, this team will be good. And also, don't look now, maybe they get better with J.J. mcCarthy. Actually, it's like, all right, we heard.
- [174:28]
B
That a lot, A lot.
- [174:30]
A
A lot of people saying that. And then we heard Kevin OConnell at the owner's meetings say the number one thing he looks for in a quarterback is accuracy. Ain't that what he said?
- [174:38]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [174:38]
D
A good pass, though. It was pretty.
- [174:40]
A
So, like, he got hit.
- [174:42]
D
That wasn't the one I was talking about. I was talking about the later interception.
- [174:44]
A
Yeah, but it's like arm talent seemingly is what they were looking for. Jim Harbaugh said. Now, granted. Now, granted, Jim Harbaugh was his college coach, and like, he said, it was the greatest pro day he's ever seen. And you have people that who said, Jim Harbaugh said it was the best Friday of all time.
- [175:03]
B
There's a lot of hardballs. It feels like in the Media with JJ McCarthy. But when he said that, though. Exactly. A lot of people saying the biggest poll, or takeaway at least, was Penix was like, oh, okay, accuracy. Penix is incredibly accurate. But then Penix went to Atlanta at 8 and nobody had that build at all. So maybe, I mean, I don't know. And then Sean Payton, also, people are kind of circling back to Sean Payton saying, like, I fucking told the Vikings we were trading up for JJ McCarthy, and guess what they did? They traded up to fucking steal them from us. And we wanted bow nicks the whole time. So it does feel as though Sean.
- [175:37]
A
Said it in, like, 2024, I guess.
- [175:38]
B
Yeah, yeah, right. Right after. During that press conference. So, I mean, who knows what happens, but it sure seems like they fucked it up.
- [175:46]
A
People are saying plain and simple, and their fans are getting new teams more Teams, games.
- [175:50]
E
That's that. That's the fourth winning percentage. Fourth highest.
- [175:53]
B
Nick Mullins through 400 yards in this offense twice. Four, 400 yards.
- [175:58]
E
That's the biggest.
- [175:59]
B
Come on now.
- [176:00]
A
Nick can spin it.
- [176:01]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he can.
- [176:06]
E
That's the biggest knock on jj, though, because of this KOC offense. How many people.
- [176:12]
B
He's the greatest wide receiver in the history of football.
- [176:15]
A
And him just being like, yeah, I got to be part of the solution here. You know, it doesn't matter what quarterback is. I got to do my thing. And then he starts seeing these balls go, Coach o', Connell, these are the worst throwing footballs I've ever. I couldn't even tell you the last time I had throws like this, you know, because he's obviously experienced bad throws throughout some point. Sure.
- [176:38]
B
Yeah.
- [176:38]
A
Somewhere in high school, maybe played with.
- [176:40]
C
Carson for a little bit, too.
- [176:40]
E
Yeah, that I'm. Now I'm just thinking after Todd pointed out that throw, that. A little video that we saw of the receivers getting ready for the game this week, that if they were on those things, they had those gimmicks.
- [176:54]
B
I missed this.
- [176:55]
E
No, you didn't.
- [176:56]
B
Yeah.
- [176:56]
F
What video?
- [176:56]
D
He's talking about the guy on the stilts.
- [176:58]
B
Oh, yeah. Walking.
- [177:00]
D
Oh, yeah.
- [177:01]
E
That would have been right.
- [177:02]
D
It would.
- [177:03]
E
Right in the wood.
- [177:05]
A
Yeah. So maybe he does have a little bit of. What would that be called? Called where it. Objects in a mirror perception. Yeah, maybe it's that perception. Not great. Maybe wide receivers look bigger, you know, like, maybe it's so blurry. They're like stacked on top of each other.
- [177:20]
B
Does he need.
- [177:21]
A
So he thinks he's hitting him right in the helmet. Turns out He's 12ft.
- [177:25]
D
Jamus situation. Yeah, he needs.
- [177:27]
A
Boom nine. Needs better eyes. That could be the problem.
- [177:31]
B
I'm back in.
- [177:32]
A
All right. You need to get Lasik. It helps. James catching touchdowns now. Yeah, sick.
- [177:38]
E
I haven't seen that one. I've heard the depth near side, at far side. I haven't seen where a six foot guy looks 16ft.
- [177:44]
A
No, it's just blurry. You know how people say they see two different things instead of seeing two different ones? They're just stacked on top of each other. So. Okay, Jameis, look at. Get off me. He said he's available to do anything to make the team better, including play. Hey. Oh, the nice James.
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D
He's the best.
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A
Love everything about him. Very thankful that football is exists so that we can live in a world where Jameis Winston can catch a touchdown and stiff arm somebody, break a tackle and Shake somebody at the same time shout out James doing his thing always he when they put this play in he probably told somebody I'm a catch that thing. I'm a shake a guy. I'm a stiff arm spin move. Break a tackle. Touchdown. Just what I can do. I assume the that was he's always expecting the most epic outcome Jamus.
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E
Yeah.
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A
Which is why I think we love him.
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C
Yeah.
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E
Probably told gun to just I don't care who's I don't care if I'm d just throw that up. I'm going go get it.
- [178:38]
D
Yeah.
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B
I'm a high I mean not to mention too we inside but we outside. We outside but we inside before the game started.
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A
Of course. And that's another pregame speech that just go ahead and save it. Lock it in for the rest of time for football. I love Jamis.
- [178:53]
E
That's a tough down for that defender.
- [178:56]
B
Yeah I I I have his name but I I feel like I shouldn't.
- [179:00]
A
Say he said he's heard enough. Good player. He's heard enough. He is a good player. Detroit won this game and Jamis Winston talked about how happy he was that gunner gave him a shot. You know, he said every once in a while you just need your quarterback to give you a chance.
- [179:12]
C
Yep.
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A
You heard him start like talking about that and Gunner pulling the trigger for him and for all of us, really.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Thank you for throwing that gunner. Thank you for throwing.
- [179:20]
D
We need James.
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A
Let's go to the next overreaction reaction, shall we? This is from Hawk Lurker at Lurker Sports. Interesting hashtag. I don't want to react but don't look now but the Cowboys are all the way back. The gambler is back, baby. And this team has a belief in a cause. Eight straight wins to end the season is on the table. Undertaker gif of them coming back from the dead. But it's not just the dead. It might be three miles under earth. Is there a hundred billion dollars of natural gas also flowing through that building right now? Is that team's cooking. I think Jerry Jones expect excited. He's doing his press conferences after games where it's like it's 1921 and everybody has their recorders around his face just as close as possible. A Covid nightmare. I can't believe we ever got these. Remember there was a time we never thought we'd have moments like this. That was only with the advancement of technology and kind of how things go nowadays. Jerry's the only one that walks right into a media pool and says, come on in, come on in as close as you can. He's got 10 microphones within six inches of his mouth. Okay. Just, just everywhere from all different angles. And everybody wants to hear what he has to say. Jerry has created something special, and I think he thinks what he did with his team is magical. I think he's pumped up about where they're at. And once again, their team is what, five, five and one?
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D
Yeah.
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A
They're a 500 team with a tie. 500 team with a tie. And all anybody's talking about is Jerry Jones. Got these Dallas Cowboys maybe ready to run for a playoff. He's a fucking genius whenever it comes to business. In picking up George Pickens, obviously a massive move loading up on the defense. Quinn Williams coming like a leader of that entire team. It's like Jerry Jones should be taking a victory lap. Are they really back, though?
- [180:50]
E
I mean, they're still in it. You never want to be, you know, five, five and one at this point in the season, but it's all in front of them. You got the highest paid quarterback in the league who's still spinning it. You got two number one wide receivers. You got a good run game, good old line, good pieces on defense. Once again, I still think floor is a good defensive coach. You know, you got to figure it out. And they start getting these turnovers and making plays, man, it's not going to be a team you want to face down the stretch, I'll tell you that much.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And Thanksgiving, we kind of had a little bit of a 30 second conversation, Ty and I, about how Chiefs offensive guard Trey Smith, all pro stud, he's out for them. For the Eagles, the strength of their O line, of course they got, you know, big oos on the outside or not. Not ooze, but whatever, you get it. Jordan, my lotta on the left and Lane Johnson was out, but their middle three is stout and osa, Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark kind of had their way with them. And now you're talking about one of the best offensive linemen for the Chiefs being out in middle. The middle. Like, kind of love the Cowboys against the Chiefs on Thanksgiving, but I don't know, matchups.
- [181:47]
A
Matchups are a thing huge. And Jerry wanted to interior that defensive line to be stout. Got to be able to stop the running, got to be able to press the from inside, make these quarterbacks start dance with their feet. That's what Philadelphia Eagles Jerry Jones knows ball. I'm trying to win games now. They got Maka and we got what we Got. And we tied. Next question is how he talked about Maka after the tie bowl game with the Green Bay Packers. But it's like, why not get excited about this Cowboys team? And they got a lot of potential bunker mentality over there. Yeah, a lot of bunker mentality.
- [182:15]
D
And they're really fun to watch too, on top of it. I mean, like that. That game yesterday where both teams seemed like they each fumbled about 30 times in the last 10 minutes. Nobody really wanted to win, but God. And then you look at Brandon Aubrey, it's like if. If they're ever in a close game, like, you have to feel pretty good if you're a Cowboys fan. Like, hey, we have a massive advantage here. We gotta, you know, wherever we're at on the field, Brandon Aubrey might be good from 75. So, like, if you're a Cowboys fan, I think you're in a pretty good spot today.
- [182:42]
A
Long snapper, recovered of punt, fumble as well. Obviously anger hit a bomb that set that entire thing up. Aubrey making a game winner. Had a miss earlier. Yeah, had a miss earlier, which was alarming. I almost.
- [182:54]
B
Whoa.
- [182:55]
A
I thought there was a glitch in the tv. That's what it's like for them down there. And shotty. Obviously enjoying the high life with a backwards visor after a game which we love. Elijah Clark, absolute monster. AJ I know you've seen the clip by now. Obviously everything that's good with football happens in this play for Elijah Clark. Aj.
- [183:12]
F
Yeah, I know, I know it's been talked about a bunch and shown. But it's. Yeah, it's one of those plays. Great play by the gunner as well. Unbelievable. Like the gunner here playing or what's 21's name again?
- [183:22]
A
Cindy Brown.
- [183:24]
F
Yeah, sorry. Cindy Brown. That dude's explosive. And very sudden as well.
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B
Well.
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F
But yeah, you talk about like. Yeah, that right there is the encapsulate. That. That's what effort is like.
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A
That's.
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F
You're never out of the fight. It's going back to the old picture. The old. The old duck. The frog eating the duck. And his neck. His hands around his neck. Like I said a couple weeks ago. Like, that's an example of that right there in that play. I'm getting knocked down five times. I don't care. I'll get up and still cause a fumble.
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A
Yeah, the duck is eating the frog. The frog before going down the duck's throat.
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E
Him not falling.
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D
Yeah, great. B.
- [183:51]
E
That second time is crazy.
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C
Crazy.
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A
Especially the hip. I mean, Sydney Brown, to your point, perfect rep on him. Bam.
- [183:58]
E
This time.
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A
Boom.
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C
14 plays this really well too. He walls off his guy 80 right there. Like, he walls him off the entire time. And he's the other one who gets in on this play too. Like, that was just perfect.
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A
Get in front of him.
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F
So you got to clip him. You got to hit him in the back if you're going to hit him. So he can't really do anything. Yeah, it's beautiful.
- [184:13]
A
Yeah, the leverage too. Front shoulder of returner. Cuz returner's taking it to field there. So knocking on out. Leverage. Beautiful. Him getting back into his lane now. Anytime you're behind somebody. Not good. Okay, that's not good. But obviously he was knocked off track by Sidney Brown. So him getting back out there, making a play, it's all beautiful. It's all. It's absolutely beautiful. It is. That is awesome to watch. I get so excited, I almost went outside to see if I could play. I thought to myself, how many Elijahs are out there? There it is. There it is. There we go.
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C
Never give up.
- [184:43]
E
This a different.
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B
Yeah, it's got pink, I think.
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A
All right, so who wins?
- [184:49]
E
Frog definitely won on this one.
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F
Frog. Yeah, Frog got this one.
- [184:52]
C
That bird does not look like it's a good thing.
- [184:53]
D
It's going to die anyway.
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B
Yeah, but is that lockjaw? Like, if this thing dies right now, can you even open the mouth?
- [184:58]
A
You're talking about whenever a human body is rigor mortis, that's what you're talking about?
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B
Yes.
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A
Well, I wonder because it appears if frog still has life at this moment.
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C
Oh, yeah, right.
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A
Because it's still gripping.
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D
He's got tight grip.
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A
Yeah, but is that Rigam Mortise's wall?
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D
Could be.
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A
Are they both dead? A draw of draws maybe.
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F
But no, he let him go.
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B
He.
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A
The.
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F
The duck has to make a decision. Hey, do I open my mouth and let this guy out or do I just get choked to death? So eventually he's probably going to let go and then they both live. But the frog goes and he kills him from behind after he says fair game.
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A
Okay, where's that at? Is that on the next page?
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F
That's the next slide, but we don't have that one with us.
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A
Okay. Unfortunately, we have going.
- [185:42]
C
The frog always survives. That's the point of the poster. Never give up.
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B
Yep.
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A
Oh, I thought it was just like.
- [185:46]
F
Hey, that frog's still alive today.
- [185:48]
E
It's the same frog from the other picture.
- [185:50]
C
Same ended up in another.
- [185:52]
G
How do we know it's not about the duck, though?
- [185:55]
B
Being like, never give Up. Keep eating.
- [185:57]
D
Chew your food.
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B
Keep chewing.
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A
Yeah, there's a chance. There's a chance. Get it done. Even if there isn't room. Get it done.
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C
That water foul has no.
- [186:07]
E
No chance.
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A
Is that what that is?
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C
It's not a. Doc, I thought it was a stork.
- [186:11]
E
Honestly.
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B
First time I saw.
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D
Me too.
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F
But it could be maybe a st.
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A
I'll tell you what, I feel like northeasterners better with the water birds.
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B
Yeah. Probably because bunch of different kinds, especially with the weather change.
- [186:24]
A
Okay. So we have cranes here in India on the water. We have American bald eagles.
- [186:29]
D
Yeah.
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A
We salute them. We got ducks.
- [186:32]
D
Yes.
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B
Mallards.
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C
Canadian geese.
- [186:35]
A
Those are the worst loons. Yeah. They don't. We need to send them back to Canada. Without a doubt, the Canadian geese.
- [186:41]
C
We are right in a great migration pattern to see all sorts of water birds.
- [186:46]
A
Yeah. So there is a lot. But none of those ones. The ones that are out on the ocean. There's. There's those ocean birds.
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B
The goals.
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A
There it is. Yeah. There's a lot of ocean birds. Yeah. Those types of things. Cuz. Yeah. Birds die.
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D
Dinosaurs some.
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A
Because we all know like alligator, crocodile.
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D
Yeah. Direct descendants for sure.
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A
Dinosaurs. Yeah.
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C
A lot of people say that dinosaurs had feathers.
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A
So the American eagle, the bald eagle, when that thing opens up like this, first of all, you hear it when it's taken off thing. But it's got a little body in there. It's got a little body under there where it looks like you could actually body punch it a couple times. That's how big that thing is as it's moving.
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C
Good luck.
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A
It's like that's a big bird right there. Huge. That is a huge bird. And it does whatever it wants. Owns this guy, Picks up a duck, hits it on the ice. Yep.
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D
Night.
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A
Night.
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C
Now if that was a bald eagle in that picture, sorry, frog, you're dead.
- [187:43]
A
Frog's gone.
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E
He ain't giving up.
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F
You got to try that.
- [187:46]
A
It will.
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B
When his head's gone, that thing's over.
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A
Yeah. As soon as it picks it up. As soon as it picks it up. I think the e. Eagle would actually do this with his claws. Oh, that's fun.
- [187:55]
D
Talons are so sharp. It's probably. He's probably piercing them right through the frog anyway. They're going out his back and coming out his stomach and he's dead instantly.
- [188:02]
A
Yeah, you're right. Because especially with the soft skin.
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B
Yep. Smaller beak as well. So the first bite is just face and brain.
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D
Yeah, yeah.
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F
Out.
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A
Yeah. So what we're saying is that frog Gave up before it even knew it was in a fight. Yeah. And it wasn't it that gave up. It was the body that just kind of disappeared.
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F
Fear.
- [188:16]
A
These eagles are smart, man. They are smart. Separate from others. They'll use their things like little decks. They got dexterity. Oh, yeah.
- [188:24]
E
I've seen them toss goats.
- [188:25]
C
Yeah. Pick up a rhinoceros.
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B
Humans.
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A
I don't know about rhinos.
- [188:30]
C
Seen it.
- [188:30]
A
What, like a zoo?
- [188:31]
C
No, no, no. They don't let that happen at the zoo.
- [188:34]
E
Baby rhino.
- [188:38]
D
Out on the Serengeti.
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A
Yeah, there's eagles out there.
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C
Or they could go wherever. Yeah, it is. They rule all skies and all grinds.
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A
That's right.
- [188:52]
D
Well said.
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A
All right, let's get to another overreaction. It's from Adam Schwinn. Hashtag, I don't wanna overreact, but the Kansas City Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl. Everybody in their hearts were cheering against Chiefs because they know if they get in, it's over. Fear is setting in. Realization is becoming real. And like you said, the team Chiefs. I didn't say that. He's still the Chiefs. That's kind of what I was thinking whenever they had 4 minutes and 30 seconds left. You never really think the Chiefs aren't the Chiefs in that moment. As soon as Patrick Mahomes jogs on that field, okay, and does his thing and they show Andy Reid with a fucking play sheet. Rigoberto. And the boys do an incredible job and get a penalty. Have them start at their own two yard line here, okay? Up by three. That's exactly where you want full field to work with to get in the field goal range. Even though Buck has a big leg. And they just did the same they did basically all game, but all in one drive. And they just walked right down, took out the whole clock. They get this, this two yard line, okay? They get to the two yard line, I'm thinking to myself, they're gonna score a touchdown. We all we needed was to hold for a field goal. They're gonna score a touchdown against us and win this game. And then tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. We ran out of timeouts. All of a sudden it was under a minute and they're like, second down and goal on like the two. I'm like, we lost the this game. We didn't even get the ball back. And then somehow they hold him. Thank God he kicks a extra or a field goal. They tie it up. We go to overtime. We take the ball, first three and out. The boys hadn't been on the field in like 45 minutes. It's been like an hour since the boys have been on the field with how and what Patrick Mahomes did with two minute warning, other TV timeouts and having the ball for 98 yards. I mean the boys had. Weren't on the field forever. Three and out. Fuck. Patrick Mahomes goes on the field. Your immediate thought is Chief sleep still the Chiefs. Chiefs are going to score a touchdown right here. And they did. And you know, just like the sportsbooks thought with the Baltimore Ravens, whenever they were down and out early, the sportsbook said Ravens are going to come back. Ravens are going to come back. I think we all need to do the same thing with this Chiefs team. No matter how ass they've looked, the Chiefs are still the Chiefs until further notice. Now, there is somebody on this stage who said that it is not a question mark on if they still got it. It's actually an exclamation point that says they. They don't. You thought the Chiefs were dead. Did they earn your trust or fandom back into their dynasty conversation?
- [190:59]
E
We had a chance to kill them in their house and we did not. So they're not dead until they're actually dead. But I'll stand on what I said. I don't think they're going to run this year. I don't think they win the Super Bowl. I think the dynasty is still alive and well with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. But not this season. Yep.
- [191:15]
A
So the Colts aren't real either, that is what you're saying.
- [191:18]
E
No, we were okay. We'll bounce back.
- [191:20]
A
Hell yeah.
- [191:21]
C
Colts are still the favorite to win the AFC.
- [191:23]
E
Boom. Boom.
- [191:25]
A
I like that, A.J. i don't like that we didn't win that game. I didn't like that.
- [191:30]
F
I mean, you know, in the grand scheme of all of it, you know, sometimes you might need a, a tough road loss like that to catapult you, you know, into the playoffs.
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A
Yeah, you're right.
- [191:37]
E
Oh yeah.
- [191:37]
A
A good loss. Whenever you look back on learning. Hey, a little perspective, Porter. This is the top of the class here. This is what happens when we go to their place. Now we lose a in Pittsburgh too. We lose in Kansas City. You know, start asking some questions like, hey, you need, we're going to need to win more games, boys, because we're going to need to have home, home, home field, lot, house a little different than everywhere else. We, we need to start getting after it here. And I got faith in him. I got faith in him. Zier made a Hell of a play. Guy. Balance on Zier's helmet. It was like a Spanish fly. Guy does a front flip. Zier does back flip, strips him in the middle of it. Ball out. Colts ball. It was like, love that that's happening. I thought it was like good news for us. Danny Dimes make some good throws. We have a couple, you know, little moments of greatness and then Chiefs, just Chiefs. I can't have it.
- [192:22]
E
Yeah.
- [192:23]
A
Are we good enough to win a Super Bowl?
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C
Big one this week.
- [192:26]
E
A huge one.
- [192:27]
A
Are we just a little bit excited because we're finally a team worth watching? You know, that's kind of the battle that I.
- [192:32]
B
House money. That's how I'm viewing it now. Just house money. We're playing with how. House money.
- [192:36]
A
You're right. Because it sucked.
- [192:38]
B
Exactly. We already hit our overs on team total wins this season. This is all house money.
- [192:43]
A
We didn't expect this.
- [192:44]
B
We shouldn't be here.
- [192:45]
A
We should, but somebody's going to be here.
- [192:48]
B
Exactly. But I mean, think about what is starting to be built in both of our buildings. That's just kind of what I fall back on. Yeah.
- [192:55]
A
This is an early start for whatever is about to be. Now granted, we don't have Danny Dimes on contract after this year. And Jonathan Tables don't need to be paid. They will figure it out.
- [193:02]
E
They've got the big three figured out.
- [193:04]
A
Yeah, you're right. Big three, Big three Colts is Colts still. No, no. Colts is going to be the Colts again. CG bca.
- [193:15]
D
Yeah, exactly.
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A
Cgbca Colts going be Colts again. Get to the next overreaction. I don't want. They were favored in Kansas City. That's what the Colts were. Think about that.
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D
Yeah. It was kind of bad news going in.
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A
Weren't we favored?
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C
No. Three and a half point dogs.
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D
But even that.
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A
I should have known.
- [193:34]
C
Great cover.
- [193:34]
B
I should have a good cover.
- [193:37]
A
I should have known then. I just didn't even look at it. Give me the Colts. I was wearing Travis's shirt.
- [193:43]
D
They didn't get blown out though. That's like if they go into that game and get beat by three touchdowns, then it's like, oh, wow.
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A
Blown out by the Chiefs this year.
- [193:49]
D
That's what I'm saying. It's like, oh, boy. We really are a class below all these good teams. But, you know, fought tooth and nail.
- [193:55]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They tried hard. Just going to close it out. Age. I don't like that.
- [194:00]
E
Try hard.
- [194:01]
F
They played hard. Would I. Would you take the ball? Do you win the toss? No.
- [194:05]
E
I wouldn't.
- [194:06]
A
So Tony Romo made a great point. Tony Romo, immediately upon us taking the ball, said, I'd rather have four downs instead of three. So it'd be good to know what I need to do. But I don't know. Like, yes, on that note, yes, I think it's the right decision. But I had a thought there for a while where it was like, if you have a very good defense and you've invested in your defense, your defense, knowing what it needs to do is a good piece of information. Like, I think that could be a good piece of information. Now, granted, defense can't automatically score or, you know, kind of handle it and answer and an added play. Knowing that you have to score a touchdown is a very big piece of information. Or knowing that you have to kick a field field goal, if it's 4th and 10 on your own 30, it doesn't matter because you have to go kick the field goal as opposed to punting. That and then the other team coming down and kicking it.
- [194:59]
C
Don't even think about your team. You don't want to give Patrick Mahomes four downs. You don't want. You don't want to score a field goal. And then Mahomes knows that he can have four downs.
- [195:08]
A
Yeah, it just.
- [195:09]
E
I always kick it. Always. And the Colts as a team this year, I think they take the ball, ball first more than any other team in the league. Like, that's just Shane's thing. But ot, I want to go on defense first if I know we're getting a shot, which. The new rules. We are. Yeah, I want to know exactly.
- [195:27]
A
You're. You're a quarterback. As soon as Tony Romo said, I'd rather have four downs instead of three, I was like, yeah, me too. That's. That kind of puts it all over the bed right there. Yeah, I. I think. And to your point about Patrick Mahomes, I don't think it would have mattered.
- [195:41]
C
Yeah, you're right.
- [195:42]
A
Yeah. But on a note, data taken, regurgitated. Maybe we change for the future. Let's get to the next one. Is from Chris Bordein. I don't want to overreact, but that W felt like an L. OT on a short week to beat the Giants. Now they'll lose to the Pack on Thanksgiving, as is tradition. Lose to the Rams in a couple weeks. Brad needs to stop smelling his own and actually improve this team in the offseason. One pride. This is how Detroit feels after Jir Gibbs goes for 475 yards. Yeah. I'll tell you what, this is how a lot of people in Detroit feel. I'm a little bit torn. Cuz on one hand, you watch that game, we look like absolute shite. The Giants should have won. They actually had a fourth down in our red zone to win that game. We should have lost instead. On the flip side, why I'm. Why I'm torn because we go down, we kick a field, go, go to overtime, we win the game. A win's a win. We'll take. Take that. But at the end of the day, we just don't look like how we looked last year. Last year we were so dominant. It was like that team could win the super bowl right now. A lot of teams don't feel that way or a lot of fans don't feel that way in Detroit. So we're a little torn, but got to beat the Packers. If they beat the packers, no one will care anymore. Especially on Thanksgiving. That's exactly. That's Lions day.
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F
SH Is calling him a dome team with Shreg saying they're.
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D
They're strict.
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F
A dome team that can't win outside.
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A
Basically was saying that today. And luckily we're in a dome until the last game of the year against the Bears, so we're in a good spot. Oh, that game won't matter probably either. We'll win that one though. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, of course you will.
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C
Congrats, Foxy. You've reached the fan base status where you guys aren't happy with just winning. It needs to look good too.
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A
Yeah. Congrats. Very different than what three years looked like three years ago looked like for you guys. Definitely. It's kind of weird because like I said, wins a win and I'm. I'm pumped up. But also I just. They were so good last year and some. Something's missing this year. The. The Lions fan from last week. Did you guys get along? Did you guys talk? Because remember you said you hated. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was really mad. And then about three days later, he actually tweeted at me and basically said, wow, I really upset Foxy here. And I just said, charges the game overreaction Monday. No big deal. Okay. So bygones be bygones. Yeah, exactly. And now we're all on the same page. Just don't look like a championship team. Yes, it was. One pride, one team, one sound, one band. Let's go to the next one. Dan. Mr. Roman, 1927. This guy's old. This guy's old. Hashtag I don't want to overreact But Micah Parson looks like Lawrence Taylor the way he's manhandling opposing offensive lineman and wrecking quarterbacks lives. If the DB start catching those wobblers that hit him in both hands, then there's nothing stopping Toyota thon Jordan Love from running the table. Obviously Ty, you're an owner of the Packers. You picked this particular overreaction just kind of hit on everything. You were thinking Toyota on some DBs dropping balls, Micah dominating. And is that kind of why you picked this one?
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D
Yeah, a little bit. Because the, the turnovers. I mean, you know, they got a couple yesterday, but that's, that's been, the big thing is they have been dropping a lot of interceptions and I saw a lot of people were bitching about the packers offense yesterday, but I'm pretty sure Matt LaFleur was just thinking like, listen, you know, J.J. mcCarthy is not going to engineer several touchdown drives here. We've seen what's happening. Like their, their pass rush was kind of dominating. But the big thing thing is like Mike, Micah Parsons is AD as advertised and I think their defense is unbelievable. Obviously JJ McCarthy hasn't been playing great, but you know, when you have a guy like that who can single handedly take over games like it, it just. Yeah, I, I'm feeling, I'm feeling very good. I'd like the offense to be a little bit more aggressive. But again, yesterday without Josh Jacobs, without Matthew golden, like they, they really didn't need to do anything. They just needed to run the ball and let the, the defense kind of dominate the game, which is what they did.
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A
And Green Bay and Micah really getting along. I thought about this, Micah, State College, small town, goes to Dallas, lot of shit, obviously gets into it big time, goes back to small town. I wonder if he doesn't, you know, need all the big city stuff that Green Bay potentially lacks versus Dallas. And I saw him and the fans having a good time. Obviously his paycheck's a big deal, but the way he's playing and the way he's acting, it feels like you guys are in a, in a great spot up there in Green Bay.
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D
Yeah. And I don't know because I assume that most Dallas fans, I mean, I guess towards the end, you know, he was probably getting a lot of. For doing the podcast and like some of the stuff he was.
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A
Which we gave to. For.
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D
Yeah, exactly.
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A
As well because there was like a lot of negative energy seemingly coming out of the podcast. Not that guy shouldn't do podcast. I had a podcast whenever I was live and I support players doing their thing, but it felt like Micah was so good at football and the only negative was just coming out from this podcast. It's like you have a chance, a chance to make so much money from football right now that you're not going to be able to make in the future. Obviously you're great on a microphone and there's a lot of sound bites. We were even saying like, is it worth this right now? And I think he's backed away from that. Right?
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D
Yeah, he's not doing it this year and he said basically, I want it, I want it to be all about football when I get here. And you know, again, it was his decision to do the podcast and everything, but learned his life.
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A
Can I do that?
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D
And I think for packers fans it's just been like, this guy is just such a godsend. Like they haven't had had a guy this dominant on defense maybe since like Charles Woodson, you know, one defensive, like it's been a long time and he's, and he's just so consistent. Like week in, week out, he kind of does what you expect him to do. And you know, he's getting double teamed all the time. Like Christian Darasaw is one of the highest paid tackles in the NFL and Micah just kind of had his way with him yesterday. So. Yeah, I mean, I just, you know, it. They're still kind of waiting for everything to come together. I don't think they've played their best game, game. But again, I, this, this defense is going to keep them in every game. Like I, I don't see them getting blown out by anybody. So as long as the offense can kind of, you know, come along a little bit and start to get healthy and get some people back. Like I know and, and this is, again, as a Packers fan, like, this hasn't been the case in maybe 15 years. Like, I know the defense is going to have a stout effort week in and week out.
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A
AJ they seemingly like each other too. A lot of celebrating there for the boys on defensive side.
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F
Yeah, I mean look at the push the interior D lines get what Devonte White, the interior D lineman, gets two sacks in this game. Like they're getting great push. And when you can get great push inside and you have Micah Parsons on the outside, like, come on man, like you're going to, you're going to win a lot of football games with your defense if you can do that.
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A
And that's what Carmine said.
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D
Exactly.
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A
I need somebody to get that quarterback. You going to pay him up? Absolutely.
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D
How's 48m a year sound?
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A
Just get to the quarterback room, brother.
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D
And he has.
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A
Find yourself a little house here. Maybe have a view of Lambeau.
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D
Yeah, he might buy Roger's old house.
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B
He said he's.
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D
He's been looking at it.
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E
You should.
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A
Really? Yeah.
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D
Him and Tucker Craft both said, like, yeah, you know, we've checked it out, considering it.
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A
Are they gonna move in together?
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D
I don't think so. And I think if it becomes a bidding war, I think Micah has a little bit more money than Craft is. He's about to get broken off here soon. But Mike Persons is making a lot of money.
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A
Yes, he is.
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D
If he wants Roger's house, he can go ahead and get it.
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A
And what if he just loves Green Bay? What if this is a place he's supposed to. To be in? What if this becomes just a mainstay for the next 10 years up there in Green Bay?
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D
I mean, I think that's the plan. When you give up as much as they gave up to get him and you pay him the way they've paid him, like, I, I hope he's expecting to be there for the long haul. And boy, he's still so young. That's. That's what's, you know.
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A
How's Jordan Love again?
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D
Yeah, his shoulders kind of banged up. He was kind of. He was handing off with, like his off hand yesterday, several times. So I hope he's good to go Thursday. I assume he will be, but. But again, like, he didn't. They didn't need to. Emmanuel Wilson came in and they had their, you know, he had more rushes than Josh Jacobs had gotten all year, and he rushed for over 100 yards in his first start. He picked up a couple first downs when they needed him to, but it really was just a, hey, let's control the clock because if we get, you know, a 10 to 14 point lead, the way Minnesota's playing, it's going to be very, very difficult for them to come back. But he's going to have to. He's going to have to air it out and he's going to have to play a good game on Thursday.
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A
Backhanded handoffs.
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D
He did that several times. Several times. And that's what they were saying. They. They don't know if that was maybe a product of his shoulder being kind of banged up.
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A
Maybe he's changing the game.
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B
He could be.
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D
He could be. It's Toyota Thon. He, you know, he. He tends to do crazy during that. So maybe he is just saying, you know, What? This is actually a little bit better off.
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A
All right, let's go to the next overreactions from AD Suga Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but the Rams gonna win a Super Bowl. R9 is going to win the MVP defense making more plays than the Eagles offense in the second half. We are the number one team in the NFL. Aaron Donald coming out of retirement to get him another ring. Rams house. We talked about this earlier, AJ Aaron Donald's in shape right now. Yeah, very good shape.
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F
He should come make a good playoff run.
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A
Oh, my gosh. He was in the building last night. Obviously he sees the way the boys are cooking. He's Aaron Donald. Ten years in the NFL. Eight of them first team all pro, obviously. Three MVPs. Super bowl championship. He had a run that is obviously historically historic and worthy of the hall of Fame. If he was to come back just for week 17, 18 in a playoff run with that D line, it would be epic. This happened with Gronk. This happened with Tom. This will happen with all the greats that look like they can still play. It's good position for Aaron Donald. I wonder if he watched last night Live in person and said, kind of fun. They're kind of eating up all the double teams right now. Maybe I'll come back and steal another, who knows? 10 sometimes sacks during the playoffs. Maybe I just go crazy through six, seven games here and pick up maybe 15, 16 more sacks and just see how the year can go and maybe another super bowl ring. But also, this Rams defense, I don't think they need them right now. I think they are in a great position. D butt. Their fans are pumped. Let's go to the last overreaction here. This is from Hashtag Thomas or Tommy. Man. Sorry, Hashtag. I don't want to overreact, but James Winston is the most electrifying player in the league. And KOC better be doing everything in his power to have that man in a Vikings uniform by day one of free agency. Because I'm tired of watching his bum JJ ruin prime years of Jetta's and Addison's career. All right, I think we hit it all. I think we hit it all. What a day today. We can't thank you all enough for rocking with us. We'll watch tonight's Monday Night Football game. We'll overreact to it tomorrow. We'll chit chat about everything happening around the sports world. And we're incredibly lucky to do as such. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change our life. We're in this thing together. 25 off right now. Store@patmacshow.com store.patmacshow.com don't feel obligated, but it is available. It's meaningful. Football time. Let's celebrate this. I think we're going to be adding more stuff to this store as we go, too.
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B
Nice.
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A
Maybe. I think we got some people on the back end that are ready.
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B
Here we go.
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E
Hell, yeah.
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A
Hey, I think that's a big deal.
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E
It's dope.
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A
That is very dope. Enjoy it all. All right. We will. We appreciate you. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.