Tyler Dunne (2:25)

Long time.

Pat McAfee (2:26)

That was whenever we were talking about maybe the Seahawks. Yep. Maybe the Steelers. And then Green Bay packers. They were down 7 to 16. 16, 7. The Steelers are up. Green Bay packers. Go on Win by two scores and then Pittsburgh Steelers seven three and half seven three three points.

Conman (2:41)

This is good.

Pat McAfee (2:42)

Yeah he's good. His Pittsburgh Josh Allen this guy's ass first play the second half Bosa says hey Aaron, I'll break your nose, strip, sack, have the whole thing. Game changes completely. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are sitting there wondering what the hell were we thinking when we bought into this team winning the super bowl this year. That is what Yinz thinking. That is what Pittsburgh Steelers faithful are feeling. And when Renegade's getting its ass booed, that's obviously problematic. And then you go to the end of the game. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are very good at doing things and that is unified chance calling for somebody's ass to not be around anymore.

Conman (3:18)

He did it to Tom on the oh no.

Pat McAfee (3:32)

Is not good. We are from Pittsburgh. We've experienced this before. Our show has actually been a vehicle for Yinzers to get their points across to the Pittsburgh Steelers ownership in the Rooney family. Canada back. Canada. They were chanting fire Canada in Utah on the capital in D.C. at Pittsburgh Penguins game JMU. Once at JMU they were chanting it. 20,000 plus were chanting it. Whenever Yinzers find something that they're all unified upon and they've given up, they're going to let that be heard a lot. This chant started there and I appreciated Mike Tomlin's response. Mike Tomlin said, hey listen, I share their frustration. Tonight was tough to watch and it's like I appreciate Tomlin's answer. Coach Tomlin's answer. Coach Tomlin is obviously an incredible speaker and a good leader, which is why he's been who he is. But boy, Pittsburgh seems to be completely fed up with them right now. And I heard some things said earlier on the show on Get Up. Yeah, first take, Stephen A. He was talking about how any other nine years, no playoff win, you'd be gone. Especially in a city like Pittsburgh, which is such a football town. I think that was a very valid point that he made. Now he did talk about con the con artist of GM and he said there was no moves made. Actually there was a bunch of moves made which is why this year felt a little bit different at the beginning. Tone, I don't want to say you speak for all of Pittsburgh, but I do think you are a good representation of how Steelers fans could potentially feel about the team being that they are. You are a die hard of the squad. What are your thoughts and why do you think it's a boiling point at this? Because it feels like this has been lingering for what, four or Five years.

EJ (5:02)

Yes.

Pat McAfee (5:02)

And then now it's like, we're done showing up for you guys to get your ass kicked and don't even play Renegade. Is that what they're thinking?

Conman (5:08)

Yeah.

EJ (5:08)

Last night was the tip of the spear. The boiling point is, if you will. Everyone there, it's been. It's been split about, you know, the. The coaching staff changes, stuff like that. But everyone is now on the same page. I got a lot of texts last night and this morning. Hey, you okay?

Tyler Dunne (5:25)

Yeah.

EJ (5:26)

Yeah, I am. Like, because this is. Everyone's on the same page now. Okay. We can't have this anymore. Nine years without a playoff win is absurd. Three playoff wins in the last 13 years is absurd. Yeah. They've got 21 straight seasons without a losing season. That's really good. But it's not good enough when you're not winning playoff games.

Pat McAfee (5:44)

Yeah, but you put it on a shirt.

EJ (5:45)

You could put it on shirt and you can say it. And the national media can be like, yeah, if this guy gets fired, he's going to have a job the next day. Which might be right. And Mike Tomlin is a great coach. He's a Hall of Fame coach, but sometimes the voice just. It runs dry in. In the locker room. I don't know everyone. No one's on the same page. Aaron is talking about people not showing up for meetings and film and stuff like that. TJ's talking about literally the same play that they've run over and over and over for the Bills, and they couldn't stop it once Joel Edelman has come out and said that they know exactly what plays are going to be run against Steelers defense. Jamar Chase has done the exact same thing. It just got to a point. I think it's got to the point with the fan base in the city that it just. This is just. This is not the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Conman (6:25)

You.

EJ (6:25)

You watch the product, and it looks nothing like them. The fans are. Are done with it. Everyone is. Is done with it. We've all had enough D. But how.

Pat McAfee (6:32)

Do you think the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room feels? Cam Hayward obviously said he got kneed in his stomach and he didn't like how disrespected he was. He also probably didn't love that they did run the same duo play basically with James Cook and had the same outcome every single time. And it cracks seal.

Conman (6:47)

Five in a row.

Pat McAfee (6:48)

He's out. Yeah. There's five straight plays doing the same thing, and they were all very successful.

Tony Pauline (6:51)

Yes.

Pat McAfee (6:51)

It has been something that I think a lot of Steelers Fans have kind of been talking about with the defensive side of the ball, which Mike Tomlin came from. It's like the defense is terrible and there's no adjustments. And whenever they talk about being predictable and you got the players on the field know that is that kind of like, if I remember and you would have to correct me, you would be the person to correct me here. Legion of Boom, they played like the same shit, right? But you had to beat them. Yeah, that was kind of the case. Is that what the Steelers mindset is, too? And has it always been that way? Or why do you think the Steelers are where they are and how do you think the players feel with all the outside noise about maybe this being the final time of the Tomlinson?

Tony Pauline (7:22)

Yeah, I feel like we've heard ton of people, whether it be players or coaches, talk about in the positive light how, hey, these are the same blitzes, these are the same this, the same that. The Legion of Boom, they did their thing when the Broncos went on their run. You know that, hey, you just had to beat man coverage. Everybody kind of has their own staples and they just get good at what they're good at. Now in this league, everything changes week to week. But if you look at these plays, these aren't like dynamic Ben Johnson tight run plays or a bunch of moving parts. This is just lining up and running the ball down your throat. And that is the complete opposite of what you think about when you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers. You think about toughness. You think about physicality, whether that's on the offensive or defensive side of the ball. If you think about all the Pittsburgh greats, that's the first thing that kind of comes to your mind. Whether it's a guy in the middle or Jerome Bettis or one of these big physical guys. Like, that's what you think. They renegade. Like, I still got PTSD from that shit. Been on opponent when that shit comes on, you know, okay, some bullshit's about to come. A strip sack, a pick six, something. So to see seven fans waving their towel when they go live with that, that was disheartening. It's Monday. Tone didn't even put his Steelers helmet back on the desk that we both go back and forth on. I feel bummed out about him, but, yeah, it's tough. And I know Tone's getting a lot more than I am, but I'm getting more. More messages saying, I don't like people being out on Mike T. They threw the graphic up about the three franchises. I forget which three it was I think Patriots was one of them. 20 plus years of not having a losing record. That is impressive.

EJ (8:49)

That's a good graphic.

Tony Pauline (8:49)

It was a great graphic. But sitting here Monday, that team, that fan base, you almost. You got to be embarrassed to be a highest paid defense on the field. And Those are got T.J. watt, Cam Hayward, Jalen Ramsey, Patrick, like these are notable like hall of Fame type names. So for them to be sitting in this Monday watching these same plays that we're watching, it's tough. It's going to be a tough meeting room for sure.

EJ (9:12)

And it's tough because the fan base grew up on like the rush defense. And we talked about it last year when Derek Henry ran for 475 yards in the playoffs game or whatever. We grew up.

Conman (9:20)

They have the record.

EJ (9:21)

There was 32 consecutive games where they didn't allow 100 yard rusher. 32 consecutive. And now it's almost every single game that there's a 100 yard rusher. And that's just not who we are.

Pat McAfee (9:30)

It's crazy right There we got 90 rush yards, 17 third quarter stations popped up while you're talking about it. And here's some more stats that aren't good for the Steelers. Hembo cooked these things up. Plus 16 is the margin of first downs between the Bills to the Steelers. Plus 31 plays. Their defense was out there a lot. Boys retired. 74 plays for the Bills, 43 comment possession suite. And then that rush yards one there. Plus 191. The worst rushing margin for Pittsburgh in a home game since 1955. The fact that it's all happening in Pittsburgh.

Conman (10:05)

Yes.

Pat McAfee (10:06)

And the Injers are spending their life watching it, that makes it exponentially worse because not only is it these enders and coach Tomlin knows that he's lived there for so long, 20 years, whatever the case, 18 years. So he understands it just as much. Those angels are going home and they're talking to the neighbors. Okay.

Tony Pauline (10:23)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (10:23)

Neighbors are saying sue went down there. You see what they did Second half. They just let them just run right over James Cook. Same exact. That's what we're saying. Tomlin doesn't know shit. And then they go to the next neighbor and then they go to the next person they run into. Then all of a sudden the entire neighborhood feels the exact same way. And it's like all you need is just a couple terrible experiences back to back to back. And it's happened all year with them. I think you can. The inserts are a group that will kill for you actually like will actually do that for you. And on the flip side, we're done with you. Need. Need you need. You go ahead and take a walk here. I think they've always been that way, will always be that way. And I think right now is the loudest that I've heard it as somebody I feel like is kind of tapped into the city of Pittsburgh and how they feel on things. There's always been a group that has been sick of the winning season. Shit. Sick of it. Sick of it. Sick of it. Sick of it. We get a terrible draft pick, great winning season. Let's get pick number 17. Let's get pick number 18. We can't really get anybody. Oh, we're not going to trade for anybody. Of course we're not. Oh, we're not going to move up. So we're going to get another mediocre player to add to our above average team and then we're going to steal some games and we're going to have a good time and we're going to renegade this thing. That's cool that, that there was a group of people that were like that like five years ago, four years into the lack of winning. I think that that started to. It feels now that it is at the. The biggest and most unified that it has been in the city of Pittsburgh. The Rooney family has to.

EJ (11:50)

You would think so. You would think so. And a lot of people are really, really mad at ownership as well.

Pat McAfee (11:54)

But you could trade Coach Tomon, right? Wouldn't that be a thing? There was a report that. What an old. Sorry, I don't know who reported. I apologize. I saw the headline. There's potential coach conversation. Fresh new start things.

Tyler Dunne (12:06)

Yeah.

Tony Pauline (12:06)

Jake Blazer.

Conman (12:07)

No, that was like an ML.

EJ (12:10)

Yeah. Someone reported that there's an elder coach in the league who might be looking for change. But anyways, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are tied currently for the lead in the AFC North. And I. Every friend fan that I've talked to is like, I wish we just would lose out if it means change rather than like, hey, we're in the division fight. Nobody cares about that anymore.

Pat McAfee (12:26)

That's a shame. Yeah, it's wild. Hey, they can go on run though, boys.

Conman (12:29)

That's right.

Pat McAfee (12:30)

Hey, just start going to meetings.

Conman (12:31)

Yep.

Pat McAfee (12:32)

So I go to me, no, you need to get in and not out whenever I say. Ha ha.

Tony Pauline (12:37)

I thought he said he was at the meeting. That's what I thought. I heard. I know they were on the wrong page as far as the check, but I thought he said everybody shows up to the meetings.

Pat McAfee (12:48)

Oh, you're saying the way he delivered it was not condescendingly asking if everybody would start showing up to the meetings. You're saying he was saying everybody showed up to the meetings. They don't understand what the chat says.

Tony Pauline (12:59)

Yeah. And we've had conversations for years about, you know, how Aaron Rodgers always change, like Peyton, Drew Brees, Brady. Like those are always moving parts. But maybe I misheard it.

Pat McAfee (13:10)

Run it.

Player Interviewee (possibly a Steelers player) (13:12)

When there's film, film sessions, everybody shows up. And when I check to a route.

Pat McAfee (13:19)

How do you fix it?

Player Interviewee (possibly a Steelers player) (13:20)

You do the right route. You know, like John and I just weren't on the same page. I checked to his in breaker and he ran an outbreaker. You know, John is a true professional. So I'm sure he's, you know, he's sick, sick about that. But, you know, I threw a ball I thought was going to get hit by the wind and it was four yards over Roman, so I got to make that throw. But, you know, we have our meetings every week. We have other opportunities outside of the facility and look forward to seeing all the boys there.

Pat McAfee (13:58)

All right. Okay. So he was asked how he fixed the chemistry. He said, well, when there's meetings, everybody shows up. Interesting dynamic.

Tony Pauline (14:07)

He does look cool though with the back. Yeah, he looks like a Pittsburgh. Still the quarterback him get.

Pat McAfee (14:13)

I thought he was solid.

Conman (14:14)

Six and six.

Pat McAfee (14:14)

I thought he was done with that wrist. Three fractures, the whole thing. He goes lands on his face, everything's busted. I assumed he hurt this one again. No, probably. I assumed he somehow hurt this one again or whatever the case is. Then he comes back bandaged up. Thing still taking the thing off, by the way. Between everyone. He is and I think nobody talks about it. He is old school tough guy, quarterback.

Conman (14:35)

Oh, yeah.

Pat McAfee (14:36)

That is how he views the position. Have to. He even likes taking hits. I think like that is a part of the entire thing. And he's been very anti any of the rules. So him bouncing back as a 40 plus year old after having Bosa explode through his back and then dump him on his face and then the worst possible outcome happened. I mean, that shows a lot of grit.

Tyler Dunne (14:53)

It does.

Pat McAfee (14:53)

And Pittsburgh Steelers fans appreciate the grit. Need to get some wins. We're done with it. All right, number four headline from the NFL Sunday, 1010. Two teams with 10 wins. That's incredible. And they're both in the AFC con man. The Denver Broncos, who are almost everybody's kind of Lombardi babies coming into this particular season with that defense. Everybody returning, they might have the Best defensive player on earth and certain. Well, he wasn't even playing for a while. They were winning. He was back doing whole strap up on everybody. They're fantastic. And Bo Nixon, Sean Payton seemingly get the job done whenever they have to. A lot of close games, lot of close games. The stats coming out about them being in close games, one score games. I think they have the most one score dubs, they have the most three points or fewer wins, they have the most this point. Like they are the close game kings right now. Is that because their defense is so dominant and gets great stops at the right time? Is it because Bo, Nick, Sean Payton and the boys on the offensive side are so resilient and kind of mentally tough, they're able to get the job done? Who cares? They got 10 wins. The other team, Patriots tonight taking on the Giants, looking for number 11, both in the AFC. What does that tell you, con man?

Conman (16:00)

It really just tells you that the top is very top heavy, if you will. You know the Broncos, yes, they're close games, but they win. I mean, at the end of the day, that's all that matters. Bo Nix, he's coming alive. I mean, he beats the Chiefs, goes on the bind, then he throws for 320 on Monday night football. And yes, it's the Commanders, you can say, well, they shouldn't be barely beating the commanders in overtime. Marcus Mariota is a hell of a quarterback. I mean, we saw that last night. He led them down when he needed to. They had a third and 15 maybe and they somehow got the first down. Terry McLaurin being back for them is massive. That's a fourth and goal. Absolute dot. If you watch the replay too. Almost gets deflected. Perfect rub route. They almost have it here. But Nick Benito, nope, that's a touchdown. Then Nick Benito, two point conversion, he stops. And this is exactly why the Broncos are going to be in it at the end. You know, we Talk about the 10 wins in Bo Nicks and people want to throw shade on him and stuff. Their defense is good enough to win them a Super Bowl. I mean, Benito and Cooper off the edge, Moss and Certain in the back end. And then Alex Singleton, probably one of the better linebacker plays from the weekend. Was Alex Singleton hauling ass back to break up a middle shot down the to Zach Hertz down the middle. I believe it was a third and 10. But they're fantastic. And their own line, like that's the biggest thing for me. Like their whole line is so solid. They can run the ball and beat you. They can pass Block and beat you. It's one of those things that they're a team that can beat you in any way on the offense and defensive side. 10, two, nine straight victories. There was a stat Bo Nix, Drake May and Caleb Williams from that draft class for in the last nine weeks are combined 26 in one, which is ridiculous. But I mean then, then tonight with Drake May, I mean it's one of those things where you kind of get to see the future in primetime. We had it last night and now we have it again. The Patriots looking to become the first team with 11 wins on the season there without their starting left tackle Will Campbell and starting left guard Jared Wilson. So that will be the matchup to watch. You know, Brian Burns off the edge, Thibodeau out for the Giants, which is big, but Dexter Lawrence in the middle too. It's going to be a hell of a game. It's incredible to see that the young AFC teams are having this much success. Two game lead in the one and two seeds. But it's just amazing to be one of those teams there.

Pat McAfee (18:18)

Yeah, you talk about the young quarterbacks too, Bo. Nick's obviously been in the same system here for a couple years. Caleb and Drake, new systems here. So they're only going to go up and to the right. The young boys are certainly playing Bears obviously in the NFC. Wow. Wow. They are for real. But the AFC, the two 10 win teams looking for 11 obviously have been dominant throughout. Let's go to the number three headline coming out of week 13 Sunday slate. Oh, big catches. Bad days. Oh, no. Yeah, bad days. Don't like. Ah, yeah, bad days. These guys take Ls but have highlight reel catchers. So you can't even really talk about it. You can't even celebrate it. If you get a pick and you have a dance. If your team loses, we don't care that you practice the dance and people don't care.

Tony Pauline (19:02)

Can't even post it. No, I'm saying you can't even like post it.

Pat McAfee (19:06)

Exactly. Shouldn't just read the room a little bit. But on that note, there were some guys that had highlight real catches but their teams lost. So we can't talk about the Chiefs. Are they okay? I don't know. Hollywood's got the touch down in Jerry world. Congrats to the Dallas Cowboys by the way. They got to be absolutely, absolutely pumped. And the Chiefs, who are they? What are they? We don't know. After they beat the Colts thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The phone. They might be all the way Back then they lose the Cowboys. It's like, are the Cowboys the best football team in the NFL? The Chiefs still have it. We shall see. Indianapolis Colts on a two game slide. Don't love it. Maybe talk to CJ Stroud here later today. Alec Pierce, absolute weapon and a dog. Has become much better for the Indianapolis Colts this year on being a deep threat. A lot of moxie. I assume somebody's going to pay for him in a huge, huge way. And then let's talk about Burks. Burks baby. Number 13 in the corner, Marcus Mary Gota. Give him a shot one handed. How you doing now? People said he was a bus debut. Now he's got Mary Goda throwing him. Absolute Mosses over Mosses unbelievable catch.

Tony Pauline (20:08)

I mean Riley Moss, that's as good as coverage you can have on that type of play. You just got to look at your coach, look at the sidelines, say, hey, they get paid too. Phenomenal catch on prime time, you know. Reminisces of OBJ on Sunday night I.

Pat McAfee (20:20)

Saw the 13 for 13 tweet from OBJ and congrats to the Broncos get a big time win once again. These are all losing teams, all these highlights. Speaking of Chargers do their thing that are Raiders. Brock Bars too big, too athletic, too absurd. It's an Oz the Mentalist type Mind blower here. That thing should hit the ground. Great coverage yet again by the Chargers. Brock Bauer is doing special stuff since the day he stepped onto a football field. I'd assume Darius.

Tony Pauline (20:46)

Yeah. That's unbelievable. Once again there's nothing more you can do as a defender. Good throw by G. Actually I can't even say good throw back shoulder. You're putting it in a place where only your guy can get it. Just a phenomenal effort by Brock Bars.

Pat McAfee (20:58)

And then friend of the program took an L. Hey, Carolina Panthers. Good football team. Carolina Panthers a good football team. You know who's good football player? Puka. Give me that. That's very reminiscent of the Odell Beckham Jr. Region one handed snag as well. Having to battle off a hand in there and then bring it in and cradle to the body with the control to be able to keep it off the turf. That's an incredible catch by Pukin Akua who might be the next one. Honestly he might be the next one. And whenever it comes down to it, two, three years from now, unguardable.

Tony Pauline (21:26)

Matt Starf. Obviously he had a couple turnovers this game, but this is one of those situations where, hey, my guys out there, I'm gonna throw it up, give him a chance to make a play. He went up there and made a play. And this was a point in the game where you thought, okay, the Rams have figured it out, they may come back and win it. But like you said, the Panthers are a very good footballer.

Conman (21:41)

Are we sure Puka is the same player though? Because he ran out of Bonds yesterday.

Pat McAfee (21:45)

People are sending me a couple tweets about that. People saying he was broke, he broke a tackle, little off balance, full speed, couple guys here, steps out of bounds. Then he comes back in though. I think he maybe just lost track, lost his balance. But there was people saying Puka Nakua ran out of bounds. If he did run out of bounds, Puka, I'd like to let you know. Yes, still more that. Some more of that. We don't need to pick up an extra three feet when we already got seven. 17 or 20, brother. Okay, and if it's going to save it, let's do that. Now let's go to the number two headline coming out of the weekend. The dogs were barking. Bron breaker gets a big win last night with division as well. Or Saturday night, obviously in survivor series the dogs were barking there in San Diego at Petco Park. But also first 11 games of this week, the underdogs were 9 2. Okay. Against the spread. Obviously that would change as the favorites will go on to start winning down the stretch. But throughout Thanksgiving and obviously the Black Friday game, it was underdog city. Why do you think that's the case? D. But do you think whenever we're celebrating holiday and the entire world is watching and there's a turducken on the line and a pile on honoring Mr. Madden and everybody's going to be talking about it. Do you think it kind of. You can wipe out the record books, you can wipe out the matchups. It's going to be a battle. Why do you think underdogs had such a big time on the holiday?

Tony Pauline (22:58)

I don't know if it was one thing in particular. I feel like we always have that week or those couple weeks where the dogs usually just get the barking. This was definitely one of those weeks. Now the short, you know, the Thanksgiving and the. And the Black Friday games, we always know you can kind of throw. Yeah. Throw everything out the window. You never know what's going to happen in those type of games. But it's any given Sunday in this league. I think this year is showing the NFL when it comes to parody. Like we're right up there with any other league.

Pat McAfee (23:22)

Absolutely. Here's the quote from or the stat from HEMBO actually. Overall, seven underdogs won outright in week 13. Thus far, second most in any week this season. All four underdogs on Thanksgiving and Black Friday, one outright. Carolina one is a nine and a half point underdog, second largest. They were 13 and a half couple weeks ago. Football team, they're a good football team. Man, they could surprise some folks.

Conman (23:42)

Panthers are the only team to win games when they are more than a 10 point favorite. I think at one point they were or 10 point underdog. I think at one point they Were 10 point dogs. Every other team is 0 and 14.

Pat McAfee (23:53)

Panthers are 2 and oh yeah, the Panthers surprise folks. I guess it would be the Gobblers that they're surprising because the sports books wouldn't be scoring it if they didn't think the Gobblers would be doing what they're doing. I don't think a lot of people paying attention to the Panthers, they're kind of turning that thing around and they're for real. And if you give Bryce Young some time and the ability to operate, he's able to do his thing. And on defensive side, there's seemingly Hungry Hungry Hippos out there. Yeah, turning Stafford over is a big deal, especially with the season he's having right now.

Tony Pauline (24:18)

Yeah, Derrick Brown up front, he doesn't get talked about a bunch, but he's one of the best interior defense lineman in the league. On the back end, Mike Jackson, he showed out. He balled out with the pick six. It's been however long now that Matt Stafford hasn't thrown the pick six. And that's kind of used to be Matt Stafford's thing. If it was bad Stafford, it'd be some fumbles which he had late in the game and some pick sixes. Mike Jackson sitting on that route. I think Sean McVeigh kind of took off on the ship and said, hey, you know, I wish I would have gave him a better play. But the most impressive win from the Dogs, I would say for me was that Bears win like we talked about. The Bills running the ball down the throat of the against the Pittsburgh Steelers like they ran down. The Philadelphia Eagles throw two backs over 125 yards just toting that right, right down the middle. And you watching the plays, you see the replays, you see all the movement and it's. Even though they're simple, you know, run run game and run plays, all of the movement, all that eye candy for defensive backs and linebackers is tough to be in the right spot. Be in the right place. So Caleb Williams I don't think is even close to where he needs to be yet in the passing game aspect of. But when they can run the ball like this and play defense, this Bears team, they're sitting in the morning NFC for a reason right now.

Pat McAfee (25:23)

281 rush yards for the Chicago Bears and jacked Ben Johnson. That's the most verse the Eagles under a Nick Sirianni led team, Obviously they had 200 yard rushers, Manungai and Swift and 17 first downs, which is the most by any team this season. So Chicago Bears kind of did their thing to the Philadelphia Eagles and you got a lot of Eagles fans going. The tush push. We failed. I mean, we couldn't even do the push. This is what we are. This isn't what we are. This isn't who we're going to be. And we got to figure some things out over there. I don't know how they do it.

Tony Pauline (25:52)

AJ brought a good game.

Pat McAfee (25:53)

He did that ball a lot. Two times.

Conman (25:56)

That might be the strategy when you're playing against the Eagles. Let's add AJ Brownie and just stop the run. The Caleb Williams roll left touchdown to Cole Comet was so nasty.

Pat McAfee (26:06)

He's a guy.

Conman (26:07)

He is very, very like we talk about the Caleb shit like this is filthy.

Adam Schefter (26:12)

Yeah.

Conman (26:12)

In a bucket.

Pat McAfee (26:13)

Yeah.

Conman (26:13)

Are you kidding me?

Pat McAfee (26:14)

Fade away running back backwards.

Conman (26:16)

And that's pull commit like that in his back. Colson Loveland hasn't even really gotten going yet for the offense. He had a two touchdown game already. But still like if, if he continues to go, the Bears are tremendously scared.

Pat McAfee (26:28)

And Ben Johnson jacked Jack. Absolutely jacked. I love seeing that. Free wieners for the city. I do believe because he went tarpless in the locker room, somebody wiener circle. I believe. I don't remember the name of the place. They're giving up free dogs for the city. If Ben Johnson was to go shirtless and he said, give me one more week, give me two more weeks. I think you've been hitting it a little bit harder. Absolutely jacked. And I'll tell you what, every time you look in the locker room or you see anything mic'd up, what I try to see is these people like each other. You know, obviously you're gonna get good quotes, but my eyes always tend to go to like, how do these people feel about each other? You can kind of pick up little toes because they're always gonna edit the mic'd ups only give you what they want you to hear. You're not really gonna get much shit. But what you can see is how they interact. You know, there's brief moments of interaction. It's like, okay, they seem like they like each other. Oh, I don't think they like that guy. You can get that out of Mike. Ben Johnson. Boys love him, love him. Good, better, best. Never let it rest till good is better and better is best. And then bear on me, they have a whole thing, everybody's in. And if he has that culture set up, his culture is a winning culture, right?

Tony Pauline (27:30)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (27:30)

Don't we all agree in football?

Conman (27:32)

Oh, yeah.

Pat McAfee (27:32)

The culture that Ben Johnson has established, we're going to be powerful, we're going to pound them, we're going to play great defense. And also we're going to be smarter on offense and design people to be wide ass open. Oh, yeah. And we got Kayla Williams, who's a super talent. It's like if the culture has been instilled, there's like no stopping this train right in that kind of like the biggest thing. Can he get his culture and can he get his culture in? Oh, he lost the locker room. That's what happens when somebody can't get their culture in. Ben Johnson is a hard ass, allegedly accountability driven, and he's got his culture in play already. And it's very obvious whenever you see all the mic'd ups and the cameras behind the scenes.

Tony Pauline (28:03)

Yeah. And you gotta get results too. Especially in the big boy league, the National Football League, you have to get results. And that's how you get the real buy in from the vets and the young guys. Because we've seen coaches go to certain places and try to be a hard ass and it not work. And I think mainly because it doesn't have the results. So getting these results and this shows you, man, whatever it takes, go and get your coach. Like it matter. Coaching matters. Go and get your coach. Obviously you have to have a quarterback as well, but go and get your coach. Collegiate level, professional level, go and get your guy. Whatever it takes, whatever bullshit comes with it, it'll be all right. Cause those vibes in the locker room like that, that is just completely different of anything with we've seen from the Bears since, you know, they went to the super bowl in Miami in 06. Grossman running the show. But yeah, go and get your head coach, get your quarterback. And it shows a lot that Ben Johnson obviously chose to go to Chicago, pair up with Caleb Williams and now like these, these guys, man, those are the vibes. You, that's what you miss. That's the type of shit you miss as a former player being in the locker room. That feeling after a game when all, you know, nobody, everybody was picking the Eagles die. Okay Eagles to figure it out. They gave up nine points, seven points. And then to go in there, run the ball down their throat like that against a physical ball club like that is nothing better special, man.

Conman (29:14)

And to debut point like going get your coach and I mean, Tony, the only team the Steelers currently look to as far as moving on from a legendary coach would be the Patriots. And you can go back to the Andy Reid Eagles, sure, if you want to. But in recent memory, the Patriots. The Patriots made the decision to move on from Bill and then doubled down on their decision by firing Gerard Mayo after the first year. Like, sometimes you get the wrong guy, but when your right guy comes available to debuts point like Vrabel, like, you just have to make that decision. It takes a lot of balls from.

Pat McAfee (29:44)

From the owners, a lot of gut sack to do that.

Conman (29:48)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (29:48)

Yeah. Because you're making a big say. You're changing the trajectory of everything.

Conman (29:51)

And if that culture, you know, it stinks right away. And then you go to another culture.

Pat McAfee (29:56)

Oh, is the grass greener?

Conman (29:57)

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Tyler Dunne (29:58)

Well. And you know, like Ben Johnson deserved the all of the credit, obviously, but him bringing in Dennis Allen to be D.C. having a guy who has been a head coach before, because every week going into these games, all we hear about is how banged up the Bears defense is and they go out and they do the same thing every week. They turn the other team over multiple times and there's no excuses. So him having the wherewithal to be like, yes, I will have the offense, you know, humming on all cylinders and ready to go. But I also need to get a guy who knows what the hell he's doing on defense and getting a guy who's been a head coach before, like, that was a massive move as well.

Pat McAfee (30:29)

I agree. Congrats to everybody that was an underdog and had a great holiday. We very much love that. It showcases that our league, anything can happen on any given field. And Sean McVeigh was asked about those Panthers, did you guys not respect them? And he basically said, carolina Panthers is good football. That's basically what he said. It's the NFL. Everybody's good. You know, there's a couple ball bounces this way. I wish I would have given a better play. What he wanted to say was, hey, Caroline Panthers football team.

Conman (30:59)

Yeah. Bryce Young, youngest quarterback to 11 game winning drives was the stat yesterday for him.

Pat McAfee (31:04)

Already. Yeah. All right. Congrats to them. That seemed like a lost cause. From top.

EJ (31:09)

Yep.

Tony Pauline (31:10)

Oh, my God.

Pat McAfee (31:10)

All the way to the bottom of the stadium. Even their fake AI thing. The Panther that they had.

Conman (31:16)

Oh, yeah.

Pat McAfee (31:17)

It was the worst one of all time.

Tony Pauline (31:18)

I liked it. I liked it.

Conman (31:20)

It was cool. But you really couldn't tell it was a gif.

Pat McAfee (31:22)

It was a gift. They just put on jumbotron. What are we talking about?

Conman (31:26)

Similar.

Pat McAfee (31:26)

They say, look to your right. It's in the stands. No, it's not.

Tony Pauline (31:30)

That was the thing. It was only, you know, it was good for a thousand people.

Conman (31:33)

It was sick. Okay. You don't. Let's not act like you didn't pull that up.

Pat McAfee (31:36)

Chachi. Btka. Go make me one of those. That's a different time. We can't. We can't.

Conman (31:40)

It's relative. But to Lions reversing the curse with Daniels and Manning doing the whiskey thing.

Tony Pauline (31:47)

Kind of.

Conman (31:47)

You could make the argument with Tepper opening the stadium for the hurricane relief.

Pat McAfee (31:51)

Yeah. With Luke Combs, Eric Church, Caleb. I forget who else was all down. Chase Rice. Chase Rice sold out stadium. And he can have it. And also, here's donation on top of it. And also this on top. It's like, wait a minute. Did the Grinch's heart grow three sizes? Yeah.

Conman (32:05)

Flip the whole thing.

Pat McAfee (32:06)

They really did.

Conman (32:06)

Remember when he was going into restaurants, like, hey, take that sign down right now. I ain't firing anybody. Smack the guy's hat off his head.

Pat McAfee (32:13)

And then he had his ice.

Conman (32:14)

Yeah, the ice on the fan.

Pat McAfee (32:16)

No, I ain't doing it.

Tony Pauline (32:17)

Get the hell out of my face, Menace.

Pat McAfee (32:19)

And he was a menace. He was an absolute menace.

Conman (32:22)

And then he opened up the stage.

Pat McAfee (32:23)

And then he said, you know what? Geez, I gotta step back a little bit. And he's, hey, everything he's ever done, he's had success. So it seems like that's happening right now. Number one storyline. Hey, listen, the AFC south, it just means more. Now, everybody understands that going into the year that the AFC south is a juggernaut. The AFC south has Mount Rushmore of teams, basically. Hey, how many teams are in there? 4. Where would they go? Rushmore, all of them Titans. Little problematic. They got to figure it out.

EJ (32:53)

Maybe worst team ever.

Pat McAfee (32:54)

Could potentially be. They are exactly what we were just saying about the Carolina Panthers. And there's been some other teams that have been in this position since our Texans at one point were in this position. Whatever. You're kind of doing too far off. Yep. They're seemingly heading that way potentially. But they got Tom Brady there, so we assume that he will figure it out and everything like that. But the Tennessee Titans got a lot to figure out. Cam Ward, I think, has all the talent in the world. If you put nothing around him, will he ever be able to accomplish anything? We have no idea. But the people of Nashville are great football people. So, like, hopefully that'll come together because Nashville and football being great would be fantastic and has been fantastic. But they fire Vrabel. Vrabel now maybe coach of the year with New England lady doesn't even show up at the firing of the thing. I mean, there's just a lot with them being bad. Jaguars, though. Don't look now. Liam Cohen's got him rolling. Go football team. Demico Ryan's Houston Texans, well, they just get a huge win. They get a huge win. Division in a difficult place to play now. The AFC south, though, everybody has to still play. Everybody. Okay. Colts still have to play Jacksonville Jaguars twice. We have to play Houston Texans one more time. Every divisional game for the Indianapolis Colts has come in the final quarter basically of the NFL season. Remember when we were the hottest team in the NFL? I do, yeah. There was no division games then. All the division games are right now. And guess what? Our quarterback has a fractured fibula, which I didn't even know what the fuck it was. And I looked it up. That thing's right here. That's a very. That's a very vital one. That came out of nowhere. Saw him on injury report. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's going on here? What's going on here? Nothing. No. Okay, okay. It'll be good. He's still playing. See him on the injury reporter again.

EJ (34:32)

It's all good.

Pat McAfee (34:34)

What's going on here? Nothing. Nothing's going on. Then I see a video from Romeo Wood.

Conman (34:40)

Yeah, Big Ben even move.

EJ (34:42)

Put him in a boot.

Pat McAfee (34:43)

What's he doing?

Conman (34:44)

He's all right.

Tyler Dunne (34:44)

He broke his leg.

Pat McAfee (34:46)

He'll be fine.

EJ (34:47)

At least you have AR as backup, right? Oh, no.

Pat McAfee (34:48)

He got himself warming up.

Conman (34:50)

Yeah. Well, at least non division games. Are the seahawks in the 90s?

Tyler Dunne (34:53)

Yeah, a couple cupcakes.

Pat McAfee (34:54)

Yeah. Yeah. It's easy road here for the Indianapolis Club. Wow. I don't know if this was Roger Goodell or who it was.

EJ (35:01)

See that?

Pat McAfee (35:01)

We've been through enough. But on that note, it's a tough catch. Yeah. And listen, C.J. i mean, this guy, I don't know what his problem is. He's throwing a ball basically like this 30 yards down the field, right on the money to somebody, every single time. It makes no sense how good he is. Seemingly every time he steps foot into our building. He is everything that you would want your quarterback to be when he's in our building. Now, our defense made some plays. Even guy interception did a dance. It was sweet. We did a lot of good things. Alec Pierce made some play plays. But inevitably, in the end, the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts. And it wasn't just the Houston Texans, might I add, it was also the refs. Okay? It was also these officials. Listen, they put ass in. These officials are ass, okay? That is what these particular refs did. This is a delay game, okay? It's third and 15, obviously field goal range. So 16, 13. We assume Kaimi Fairbairn will make the kick. Maybe. Okay, so obviously a delay a game, so they should have had to play. Then we get a phantom defensive pass interference call. Okay, so play shouldn't happen. Okay, and now what? Oh, yeah, Pass interference on who? On that. And then the ref is literally standing right behind it. He had good eyes on his thing. I saw him. This is right down our thing. He calls defense pass interference. Obviously I get a first down. Okay, sweet. This should have been a field goal. Instead end around Collins. Touchdown, Texans. All of a sudden it's 20 to 13. Right? Well, that would be if they hit the extra point. Well, let's go to the extra point. Yeah, he misses it. Okay, so he doesn't even go in. And this guy. Yep, it's good, right? That's what we're doing. So this is all within a span of like four or five plays. So whenever you talk about an entire building just getting the. You suck chance out of them as aggressively as possible, you're talking about in this exact moment. It was absurd. And it was back to back to back to back. And it's like the Houston Texans defense is phenomenal. Okay? Yeah, there are some Texans fans in there. The fans are also great. CJ Stroud.

Tony Pauline (36:56)

What the hell?

Conman (36:57)

Oh, no. Is this real? They had to change the name Brandon Alvarez.

Pat McAfee (37:01)

I do not.

EJ (37:02)

Oh, no, wait.

Conman (37:03)

When they do that.

Pat McAfee (37:04)

I told X they can't do this. I told her. Hey, excuse me. This is not a lot. AI is getting out of control.

Conman (37:11)

Oh, that's not real.

Pat McAfee (37:13)

I don't think. No, that's not real.

EJ (37:15)

Okay, Were the cranes already going up when you guys were leaving yesterday to do this or.

Pat McAfee (37:18)

That is not real. That is AI. It is not, actually.

Conman (37:22)

Wait, really?

Pat McAfee (37:23)

Brandon Alvarez said he took the picture right? Then he Said now. Damn. Pat responded to a pic I made. Oh, yeah. It's fake. It's not.

Conman (37:29)

Okay, wait, but did he make it in, like, with his. With his camera?

Tyler Dunne (37:34)

He was the foreman.

Conman (37:34)

Yeah.

Pat McAfee (37:35)

No, he was on. On the thing, and he was doing.

EJ (37:38)

It because every time he wasn't in the helicopter.

Pat McAfee (37:40)

He did not. That is not. It's called the loud house. It is not called the Stroud house. I'm done with it. But this is what happens when CJ Plays against us, seemingly always wins. And with the Indianapolis Colts quarterback situation being what it is, we're in trouble because a big part of Danny Dimes offensive contributions is the fear that he can outrun you, which he can. Hey, whiteboard got a little motion whenever he was running Danny Dimes, you know, he kind of looks like a nerd, acts like a nerd, everything like that. He's big, strong, powerful, fast boy. Over rush yards, over rush yards, every single game. He. That's a massive part of his game. There really isn't much fear of that right now. I don't think in Houston Texans number one defense, they. They. That was not the right team to have to play against with that. They are.

Tyler Dunne (38:19)

They Hunt.

Pat McAfee (38:19)

They do. I actually thought a couple different times. These fans have to hate watching these games. Their defense is so good. This is ass. Like your offense. You're here for the offense. You show up, and your offense is going to be ass against this team. So you just got to sit there and be, all right, maybe next time. All right. This is getting kind of boring, isn't it?

Tony Pauline (38:37)

Boo.

Pat McAfee (38:38)

We need to start doing some stuff. Boo. It's like, well, this Texans defense doesn't let you. They are very good. And the Jacksonville Jaguars very good in the Indianapolis Colts. We're trying to hold on right now. We are trying to hold the hell on right now. We got a tough road down the stretch. Joining us right now, ladies and gentlemen, a senior NFL insider in Michigan. Man. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Shefty. Sorry we made you wait there. We apologize. Let's talk about Danny Dimes, shall we? I didn't know what a fibula was. I had to obviously Google it, ask where it is. That feels like a pretty important one to somebody who's pretty mobile. Now. Danny Dimes fractured fibula. What do we know and what should we be expecting going forward?

Adam Schefter (39:15)

Well, I think it's a hairline fracture, and I think it compromises his lateral. You'll see that he has not been able to move laterally as much as he did earlier in the year, and they're not calling as many plays for him to run as they did earlier in the year, and it seems to be an issue in that regard. Obviously, he's full participant in practice. Obviously he's going to play, but obviously he's not going to play the same way that he's been playing. And I think that that has impacted their offense some.

Pat McAfee (39:41)

Yeah, it certainly has. And also it hurts very bad, this type of thing. So obviously the amount of ment toughness that he'll have to go through every single step. We shall watch as the journey to the AFC south championship rolls on. Sauce Gardiner, we lost him very early in the game. You know, I was actually with Tyrese Halliburton recovering very well. By the way, I just showed a one footed dunk last week. Tyrese Halliburton was in the suite, you know, watching the game. He's a big Colts fan, loves coming out. He saw the replay of this and obviously he's going through an Achilles thing right now. He goes, hey, that looked like. That looked like something. You know, he looked back there, Calf, something along those lines immediately upon it happening, because that's kind of the mo of one of things. He feels like somebody kicks you from the back, they say. And then he got carried off. Now he's walking there. But when he was on the field, there was no pressure on his foot at all. So we were all very, very worried. What are we hearing with Sauce Gardner is obviously we. We're bummed out quick that we lost the number one out there.

Adam Schefter (40:36)

Yeah, well, the good part is obviously it doesn't seem like it's his Achilles. And the great Dr. Randy Moss diagnosed that right away. We were in our conference room watching the games after Sunday countdown and obviously to your point, Pat, everybody thinks, okay, is this. Is this an Achilles? But within minutes, Sauce was back on the field in a boot and with crutches and Randy's like, if you tear your Achilles, you're not coming back out into the field. It won't be his Achilles and it doesn't look like it was. It looks like it's a calf injury. It looks like it's multiple weeks. I think we may have seen the last of him for roughly about a month. Roughly. We'll see if to put him on injured reserve or not. Hey, the good part is it's not his Achilles because it was his Achilles. You don't even know if the guy's ever going to be the same kind of player again. Fortunately, it looks like a Calf injury. Calves are not fun. And it looked like it was very painful. And. And hopefully he's back soon. And hopefully Tyrese Halliburton is back soon.

Pat McAfee (41:35)

Yeah, well, I've been telling Tyrese the Pacers need him, so maybe we. Maybe we expedite this thing. I think we've won three games this year.

Conman (41:41)

Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think second last night.

Pat McAfee (41:44)

Okay. Yes. Okay. Whatever the case. Yeah. Tyrese going to be back in good spirits. Nice to hear that. Sauce Going to be back for our playoff push here in Indianapolis as it takes place. Couple other injuries as well. Any updates? Go ahead, Con man.

Conman (41:55)

Yeah. Chef D. Thanksgiving, Amon Ra went down early with an ankle. They have Thursday night Football this week. What's it looking like for Amon Ra's recovery?

Adam Schefter (42:04)

I would say most people would not be able to make it back for Thursday night Football. Knowing Amon Ra, I think he's going to wind up pushing to try to play on Thursday night. Now, whether he can do that or not, we'll see how the week of practice goes, and we'll see how he feels on Thursday. I don't think they're going to be ready to rule him out quick. Maybe they will, but I think he's going to give it a chance to be able to try to play on Thursday. I'm not telling he will, but this guy is very, very tough.

Pat McAfee (42:29)

Yeah, very tough, very strong. I mean, seemingly built for everything. If he's able to bounce back that quick, I think we're will all be impressed at his top. Go ahead.

Adam Schefter (42:37)

Yeah, I was going to say, you know, you're missing. If he doesn't play. If he doesn't play on Thursday night. No Amanra, no Sam laporta. All the injuries in the second, it's a. It's a lot to overcome for them.

Conman (42:46)

Ragnow.

Pat McAfee (42:47)

I'll tell you what, Maran. Yeah. What happened today? Ragnow came in and the doctors were like, hey, exactly what we said, like six months ago. You just can't.

Tyler Dunne (42:57)

Yeah, you need to stay retired.

Pat McAfee (42:58)

You can't do it, dude. We're sorry. Like, we wish we could, but. But the scans have come back.

Conman (43:03)

Lose my license.

Pat McAfee (43:04)

The exact same as whenever you had muscle, Frank. Your whole body is broken, Frank. And obviously the world respects the shit out of you for that, but it's like, we can't let you back on the field. Just like last year. We were damned. I mean, come on, Frank. You're too damn tough. We can't do it. Is that what happened? Is that basically how the Whole story went with Frank.

Adam Schefter (43:26)

Me like, he goes in there, they announce he's coming back, he wants to come back. And they go in, the doctors look, and they find a hamstring issue. Great.

EJ (43:35)

Shredded Frank.

Adam Schefter (43:36)

You can't pass physical.

Pat McAfee (43:38)

And.

Adam Schefter (43:39)

And you know that. That announcement came about 15 minutes before Michigan. Ohio state kicked off in a weekend which the lions already lost the game on Thanksgiving day. So they lose Thanksgiving day, now you lose Frank Ragnar, not that he had him. I'm like, oh, I. I know how this Michigan, Ohio state game, the whole weekend for Michigan, like that. That. That's how this. It's going for the state right now. I mean, I could have predicted that right away.

Pat McAfee (44:01)

It was cold up there, man. It was cold up there. Congrats to Ohio state. Getting a big time win. Big time win by Ohio State Buckeyes. Hey, young team up there in Michigan. They can learn from this as they go forward. Foxy, you a little bit worried about these lines. Marin, you a little bit worried about what's going on?

Foxy (44:16)

I mean, as shefty said, I was heading home for Thanksgiving. It's Wednesday. Ragnow's back. We're gonna meet the packers tomorrow. The lions are going to be in the playoffs. We're going to go to the super bowl. Everyone is fired up for the best Thanksgiving of all time. And then we lose. Ragnar's out. And I'm not a Michigan fan, but I know a lot of people that went to the lions game on Thursday, spent their Thanksgiving at Fort field, and also spent their Saturday at the big house. One of the worst weekends of all time for those people. So, yeah, it's been pretty tough over here.

Pat McAfee (44:46)

Yeah. Sorry to hear that about your holiday, if that's how it went. But on that note, the people in Ohio are living nice. People in Ohio were living very, very nice. And good luck to the lions as they continue to do this. Okay, last big time injury. We don't know if you're gonna have any updates, obviously. Quick turnaround. Go ahead, Ty.

Tyler Dunne (45:04)

Yeah, chef.

Pat McAfee (45:05)

The.

Tyler Dunne (45:05)

Anything on Justin Herbert? We heard he broke his left hand, and we just saw Rogers, you know, have a couple breaks in his left wrist, and he missed a week, obviously. The chargers haven't said whether or not he's going to miss a game yet, but with their, you know, playoff positioning, they obviously can't really afford for Herbert to miss any time. Have you heard anything on that?

Adam Schefter (45:23)

He's. Well, he's having the surgery today. He says he's going to try to play. He's treating it as if he's playing now again, he's gonna have a surgery. We'll see how he can get through the week of practice, what his grip on the football is like. I don't know if there's any ligament damage. I think that's a key question here. When doctors go in there, maybe they find some ligament damage or not. Hopefully not. Hopefully he's back soon. Yesterday he goes out and then comes back in with that giant, like, oven mitt on his left hand and finishes the game. That. That guy's a warrior.

Pat McAfee (45:56)

Absolutely.

Adam Schefter (45:58)

He's going to try to play next Monday night. We'll see if the surgery today allows that to happen. I think it's up in the air.

Pat McAfee (46:03)

He's football guy, you know, Herbert's football guy. If he can play, he will play. Max Crosby and he obviously had their moment. Whenever he shoves him before yelling in his ear, Max says, did anybody fight Max?

Tony Pauline (46:14)

I think alignment ran over. I don't know about fighting Max.

Conman (46:17)

I don't think so. Just walked off.

Pat McAfee (46:20)

I don't know. I'm not getting into that. Max Crosby, though. What a menace. When you talk about menaces of all menaces. He's doing his thing. Love. Good AFC west football.

Conman (46:29)

Oh, that was in his ear. That's the first time.

Pat McAfee (46:30)

Yeah.

Conman (46:31)

The whole thing.

Tony Pauline (46:31)

Yeah.

Conman (46:31)

Okay.

Tony Pauline (46:32)

It's a little Philip Rivers.

Conman (46:33)

Yeah. He was screaming right at him.

Pat McAfee (46:35)

92 yards, touchdown. He's yelling in that defensive line. Helps after he helps him up in that entire thing.

Tony Pauline (46:43)

I like that.

Pat McAfee (46:44)

Yeah, There's a little heat there. We like that. There's a little heat. Yeah. I do love her.