PMS 2.0 1468 - Watt Wednesday, Vince Wilfork, Jake Paul, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Summary

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0, Episode 1468 – Summary

Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Pat McAfee (with AJ Hawk, the Toxic Table: Boston Conner & Ty Schmidt, Tone Diggs, Darius Butler, AQ Shipley, and guests Vince Wilfork, JJ Watt, Jake Paul)

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Episode Overview

This episode—dubbed “Watt Wednesday”—dives into the latest bombshell in NFL news: Philip Rivers, at age 44, coming out of retirement to start for the Indianapolis Colts in a wild push for the playoffs. The crew offers an in-depth, hilarious, and candid breakdown of Rivers’ return, explores the perils and hopes of old QBs, debates the state of several NFL franchises, celebrates college coaching hires, and delivers high-octane segments with NFL legends and combat sports star Jake Paul. It’s a full-throttle ride, brimming with insider wisdom, genuine football love, and the irrepressible humor and energy that’s made the show a staple in sports talk.

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Key Segments & Discussions

1. Philip Rivers’ Shocking NFL Comeback

[00:00 – 08:30]

• Pat announces the headline: Philip Rivers, now 44 and fresh off coaching his son’s high school team, is starting for the Colts.
• The crew breaks down why this wild move is happening—Colts in playoff contention but desperate at QB, Rivers knows Steichen’s offense inside-out, and is beloved by the franchise.
• Pat’s take:

  “If Phil Rivers comes off the couch after five years and plays well against these defenses… you gotta tip your cap to old man Phil Rivers and you gotta say, shout out to Chris Ballard for not just punting on the earth.” [01:30]

• Everyone weighs risk vs. hope: Rivers’ competitive fire and Hall of Fame-caliber mind vs. the brutal upcoming schedule (Seahawks, 49ers, Jags, Texans—all top 11 defenses).
• Pat on memes of Grandpa Rivers:

  “Old Phil Rivers holding a grandbaby in one hand and a football in another while wearing an Indianapolis Colts uniform.” [00:30]

• Darius Butler tempers expectations:

  “Yesterday I was negative. Maybe a bit too negative… If he does this, resets the clock, goes on a run—first ballot Hall of Famer Philip Rivers.” [06:12]

• The crew jokes about Rivers practicing throws to his many kids in the backyard, “lining them up every 10 yards” to check his arm.
• AJ Hawk and others speculate on what the gameplan must be: heavy Jonathan Taylor runs, quick releases, avoid exposing Rivers’ immobility.

2. Colts, Quarterbacks, and the Ghosts of Jeff Saturday

[03:23 – 08:43]

• Pat recalls the infamous Jeff Saturday interim coaching stint and his own role defending him against critics (Bill Cowher, Joe Thomas)—and admits how spectacularly sideways that went for the team.
• Pat:

  “I was blindly behind him. They beat the Raiders, I come in again… And then we proceed to give up the biggest lead in the history of the game.” [04:13]

• The group draws parallels: Is Rivers’ comeback another “just crazy enough to work” move? Or another embarrassment brewing? But as Pat notes, “It was already going bad. So why not?”

3. Insider Colts Analysis & Betting Angles

[08:43 – 13:25]

• Tone Diggs updates on the betting market: “Colts are the biggest underdogs of the weekend at +13.5 in Seattle.”
• Conner and AQ Shipley discuss strategy: keep it “not laughable,” manage risk, don’t let Rivers try to do too much—“hammer Jonathan Taylor.”
• Pat:

  “Phil Rivers is not allowing himself to be seen in public with a bad arm." [12:07]

• Playbook talk: Expect quick out passes, heavy shotgun, screens, and protection packages to minimize Rivers’ exposure to hits.
• AQ Shipley’s X’s and O’s:

  “The ball needs to get out quick. Both tackles should be cutting.” [17:46]

4. Colts’ Future & Riley Leonard’s Connection to Rivers

[09:03 – 10:25]

• Discussion shifts to Colts’ rookie backup Riley Leonard, who has trained extensively with Rivers (they’re almost neighbors), and how Rivers’ presence is also an investment in Leonard’s development.
• Pat:

  “Maybe even brings out even more out of Riley Leonard in this whole thing.” [09:55]

5. NFL Coaching Carousel & College Football Talk

[24:49 – 29:03]

• Penn State hires Matt Campbell from Iowa State; crew calls it a “home run hire” after prior chaos and leaks in the search process.
• Oklahoma cancels classes on game day for student spirit ahead of playoff.
• Debates if Oregon could fall victim to a “trap game” vs. JMU; potential playoff upsets discussed.

6. Vince Wilfork Interview: USO Tour & NFL Trenches

[32:24 – 52:43] Notable Quotes:

• On visiting troops:

  “Just a little bit of our time during the holiday season, to bring them a little joy… they do the dirty work, make sacrifices daily for us to have the life we have.” – Wilfork [33:02]

• Battle in the trenches:

  “Start up front—you have to start in the trenches, offensive and defensive line if you want to be successful.” [38:35]

• Huge praise for defense-centered head coaches (D'Amico Ryans, Mike Vrabel) and the value of investing in OL/DL, not just “elite skill positions.”
• Highlights stories from his playing days: learning to play nose tackle, game prep, weight cutting tricks, and swimming to preserve his body.

Memorable Moment:

• Pat, Ty, and AQ roast each other about NFL weigh-ins:

  “If you catch me two hours after this weigh-in, you might be shocked.” – Wilfork [51:09]

• Vince Wilfork’s refusal to come out of retirement:

  “My mind says yeah. My body tells me different.” [49:09]

• Wilfork on grilling:

  “Come on, man. That’s all I do, daddy. I am the grill.” [52:46]

7. NFL Week 14 Offensive Line Rankings with AQ Shipley

[53:21 – 58:40, 141:31+]

• “In the Trenches” breaks down the top O-lines of the week:
  1. Los Angeles Rams
  2. Miami Dolphins
  3. Tennessee Titans
  4. Denver Broncos
  5. Green Bay Packers
• Takes: Rams are “hands down the best group of the week,” and Broncos/Titans have paid their O lines massively.
• Pat:

  “Top five OL correlates with who’s a real Super Bowl threat.”

8. AJ Hawk, JJ Watt, and the NFL Roundtable

[58:40 – 116:43]

• JJ Watt joins for lively banter, NFL matchups, and more Rivers/Colts talk.
  • On Rivers’ comeback:

    “For the rest of us out here in the world, this is fun… as long as there’s no injuries.” [75:00] “If Phil balls out, how many retired guys—Drew Brees, etc.—start thinking, ‘I could do it too?’” [80:48]

• Pat and crew reflect on QB toughness, sideline media debates (Justin Herbert postgame interview), and NFL atmospheres.

9. Nick Saban’s Hall of Fame Induction & College Football Legacy

[63:07 – 68:01]

• McAfee and Butler reminisce about Saban as “GOAT,” his ability to relate to players, and West Virginia’s wild Thursday night history.
• The segment features shoutouts to Mountaineer legends Steve Slaton and Pat White.

10. Defense Wins Championships: Everything DB with Darius Butler

[159:33+]

• Butler highlights Devin Witherspoon (Seahawks) and Jalen Pitre (Texans) as dynamic, versatile defenders.
• Breakdown of key game-changing plays: blitz timing, zone drops to picks, forced turnovers.
• Shows the difference-makers on Houston, LA Chargers, Seattle.

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11. Jake Paul Previews His Showdown with Anthony Joshua

[174:36 – 188:14]

• Jake Paul, in classic confidence, hypes his upcoming bout with "Goliath" Anthony Joshua, explaining why he took the massive challenge of fighting at heavyweight, 50 pounds above his normal weight class.
• Jake Paul:

  “I see holes in his [Joshua’s] game… I see the shot that can knock him out.” [179:44]

  • “I’m here to show kids what’s possible… go from zero to the top of a sport in five years.” [182:58]
• Discusses sparring with legit heavyweights, his investment/fund, and why he wants to inspire kids to chase wild dreams.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Pat McAfee:

• “Old man Rivers… holding a football and a grandbaby… is the state of the Colts. Why not?” [00:35]
• “Why are we letting narratives dictate how we feel? Ball is chaos.” [11:30]

Darius Butler:

• “If Phil resets the clock and gets us to the dance—first ballot Hall of Famer.” [06:12]

Vince Wilfork:
On USO tours:

“We’re not all military, but we can all support.” [34:38]
On football:
“I want to always spend my money in the trenches if I’m building a team.” [41:12]

JJ Watt:
On Rivers’ comeback:

“It’s fun for all of us—but for the Colts, this has to be their best chance to win.” [76:28]

Jake Paul:
On fighting Joshua:

“I see the shot that can knock him out… This could be the biggest upset in the history of boxing.” [179:44]
On the haters:
“Don’t respect me for getting in there. Respect me when I beat his ass.” [185:44]

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Other Highlights

• Hilarious U Ball (office mini-basketball) drama—Darius Butler’s team “Bone and Butt” (now “D Block”) wins the championship, leading to great storytelling and trash talk.
• Extended segments on college football playoff chaos, potential “trap games” for Oregon, and smaller programs rising.
• Quick fun on non-NFL sports: soccer trophies (“World Cup really isn’t a cup!”), NBA merch, and a run-in with 2 Chainz at the Hawks game.
• The show's final quarter devolves into high-spirited rants about NFTs, Metaverse “real estate”, and failed sports business fads.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:13-08:43 — Colts sign Rivers & immediate reactions
• 08:43-13:25 — Betting angles, Colts’ outlook
• 24:49-29:03 — College football, coaching moves
• 32:24-52:43 — Vince Wilfork interview (USO, trenches talk)
• 53:21+ / 141:31+ — Top 5 offensive lines ("In the Trenches")
• 58:40-116:43 — JJ Watt joins, Rivers debate continues, media/player relationships
• 159:33+ — “Everything DB” defensive breakdowns with Darius Butler
• 174:36-188:14 — Jake Paul interview: Anthony Joshua fight
• 188:15–END — Riffs on NFTs, Metaverse, merch, final gags

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Tone and Language

True to Pat’s style: irreverent, unfiltered, deeply passionate about football, peppered with locker-room banter, unexpected segues, and real-life wisdom from NFL vets. Each host and guest speaks with authenticity—never shying from tough truths or the ridiculousness of sport.

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Listener’s Takeaway

Even if you missed this episode, you’ll feel caught up: Philip Rivers’ return is the talk of the NFL; the Colts are swinging wild for a playoff miracle. The show's regulars dissect the move like real insiders—but never lose sight of football’s unpredictability and their own comic mortality as fans. Interviews with Wilfork and Jake Paul add depth and star-power, making this episode a must for those wanting both expert insight and a genuinely great time in sports entertainment.

Best enjoyed with a sense of humor, a love of football, and an appreciation for the chaos of live sports.

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End summary.

Transcript

[Pat McAfee]

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this watt Wednesday, December 10, 2025 this sports program begins now.

Football. It is magical. There's so many storylines all over the country, both in the NFL and in college. And I'll tell you what, the reason why I have this particular military appreciation cap on is because the Indianapolis Colts are all the way back. I don't know if you've been reading or seeing, but Phil Rivers, the 44 year old grandfather, is back with the Indianapolis Colts. To them, not only to the playoffs, but to a Super Bowl. Now, there's a lot of different memes, ok? And there's a lot of different words being put together about old Phil Rivers holding a grandbaby in one hand and then a football in the other while wearing an Indianapolis Colts uniform. What you need to know is this team's ready for a grandpa to be their quarterback. Especially if they're a quarterback, their grandpa quarterback will be able to spin it until the day he dies. The reason why he throws the way that he throws is because when he was just a little baby boy, when he wasn't strong enough to lift up a high school football in which his dad was coaching, he wanted to throw that thing because in his soul he was a football spinner and his arm couldn't hold the ball up where it was at. So he was literally just throwing it like this because he was such a little boy that maintained and continued to become what? Well, one of the most deceiving releases in the history of ball one that is thrown for thousands and thousands of yards a season for a long ass time. And now the 44 year old will see if he can divide the test of time and lead a team to some relevancy. Now are there some downfalls? Potentially, sure. Look at this road. Who the Colts have left. Hey, look at the remaining schedule for the Indianapolis Colts. Seattle Seahawks in Seattle. Oh, they're the number two scoring defense. Okay. San Francisco 49ers. Oh yeah, they're the number eight scoring defense.

[Con Man]

Geez.

[Pat McAfee]

How about the Jags? They stink, right? Nope, they just beat us actually and they're 11th ranked. And then oh yeah, to wrap it up against the Houston Texans. Yeah, that's the number one ranked defense in the league. So you got a lot of potential boo birds from the home crowd watching Colts at the loud house potentially with these defenses. But you also got an opportunity to build a Hall of Fame resume. If Phil Rivers comes off the couch after five years and plays well against these defense, who are Ranked statistically and optically, when you watch them, some of the best of all time, you gotta tip your cap to old man Phil Rivers and you gotta say, shout out to Chris Ballard for not just punting on the earth. Okay. Not just quitting on the year. They're saying, hey, it's week 15. We're still in this thing. We could still make the playoffs. And we need a quarterback that knows this offense better than anybody. Who's that? Oh, the guy that's been coaching all year. The guy that Shane Steichen started his career with. Oh, let's bring in Phil Rivers. Does he want to play Phil Rivers? Go out there and say, hell yeah, man, we just lost state championship. I got bad taste in my mouth. Giving the ball. Giving the ball. Well, we got to do some physicals for you. Oh, don't worry about it. I'm not going to run. Don't worry about anything. Just make sure that this thing's good. And then if they're going to snap it. Perfect. You're going to snap perfect. Yep. I can't be doing the hole. We need these snaps. Okay. And I might be a little bit deeper because I don't want to do any of the. So I need. Maybe we get the long snap out there, maybe we get Luke Rhodes out there, because where I'm going to be staying, I need these things to be right here. And then we're off and running and we're going to feed all the weapons, we're going to put everybody in the right positions. There's a chance this, this works out very well. Now, on the flip side. No, I don't even want to say it. Others are saying it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, it doesn't need to be said. The flip side is.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, Jeff Saturday's been talking about this. The flip side is Jeff Saturday situation that happened.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeff Saturday was on ESPN debating people throwing up pancakes.

[Con Man]

Love that.

[Pat McAfee]

Love him. Love Jeff Saturday on television. Love Jeff Saturday as his teammate. Love Jeff Saturday as NFLPA guy didn't necessarily love the outcome of Jeff Saturday as the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts after he goes from sitting in his house in Atlanta with his family, gearing up for another big time get up on Monday on espn and he gets phone call from Jim Mercy saying, pards, we need you, brother. To do what? Jim, are you watching this game? No, it's not even playing down here. What's going. We need you to be our head coach. What? Jeff says, I don't think I've ever done it before. I mean, I'm a father. I've led a family before. I don't know if I've ever high school, I've done that. I don't know about NFL. We need just somebody to go in there. He goes in there, he gets a big time win.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

He beats the Raiders, okay? And it's all of a sudden he's Jeff Sar, the greatest coach of all time. I went on this microphone and said, bill Cower, shut your mouth.

[Con Man]

Fire McDaniels, the Raiders, Bill.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, exactly. He gets fired because that Bill Cower, though, comes out, says, this is an embarrassment to coaching. There are guys that cut their teeth to become a head coach. You're just giving this guy a job right off the couch is disrespectful and he's going to do terrible is what Bill Cower said, basically. And I said, Bill Cower, I got a lot of respect for you. Please, you don't know Jeff Saturday, shut up. Joe Thomas, very loud. Joe Thomas did an entire campaign. Joe Thomas, greatest left tackle of all time. Maybe never got a chance to win because he was the Cleveland Browns, which is certainly a bummer, but he came out immediately upon Jeff Saturday getting head coaching job. Disgusting. For all the assistant coaches who have put their entire lives into this thing to become a head coach someday, to not get the opportunity to be the interim head coach. And I had to get on this microphone and say, well, I didn't have to. I felt at the time. You shut your fucking mouth, Joe Thomas, okay? And Bill Cower, you don't know anything about coaching. I don't need to hear that at all. I was blindly behind him. They beat the Raiders. I come in again, do my dance on Bill Cower and Joe Thomas loudly saying, you guys. Oh, you guys got it all figured out, huh? Okay, you know, Jeff Saturday. And then we proceeded not only give up the biggest lead in the history of the game. Halftime. We just lost every game after that and it did not look good at all. And boy, that was tough to handle. Just as a human who is going to blindly support the Indianapolis Colts because I appreciate everything that the Irsay family has done for me. That was a tough moment. This could be one of those. I thought about that last night with how positive I was with everything. I could be looking back here in three weeks and it could be, why did I ever think that it could go good? And I think that happened to you yesterday. Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler. Here you got a chance to sleep on it.

[Vince Wilfork]

You.

[Pat McAfee]

You are the U ball champion. Congrats. To you and Bo.

[Darius J. Butler]

Thank you about that.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa. Let's make sure we keep that lower third up there to block that. Okay.

[Con Man]

D Butt. In who?

[Pat McAfee]

You said huge. Yeah, yeah. Bone and Butt.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yep. Wow. D Block. Not our name.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Darius J. Butler]

Our name's D Block.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, I. Oh, sorry. The team formerly known as Bone and Butt is now known as D Block. And they're U ball champs.

[Darius J. Butler]

This is a beautiful trophy, by the way. Yeah, I haven't gotten to see it.

[Pat McAfee]

I forgot about it.

[Con Man]

It's shimmering.

[Darius J. Butler]

I know most people probably thought it was a staple to that stack of money over there, but glad it has been. Glad it finally moved. We earned it, but anything's possible. Anything's possible. So, you know, winning that championship with Bone, a lot of people forget. We won a couple early 13 weeks you guys had the ball, so we finally got it back. Boy. I mean, where's my stogie? Where's my stick? He's up here somewhere. But yeah, anything's possible. I slept on it too. I was very negative yesterday. Maybe a little too negative. I apologize to Phil if he took any disrespect to that. He's at all time great and we got a four game stretch to get in the playoff. And if he does do this, I know his clock has to reset, but boy, if it resets and he goes on a run here, if we even get anywhere close to the dance, first ballot, hall of Famer Philip Rivers. So, yeah, anything's possible. We don't have to talk about the. What can possibly happen to Nate, which is bad.

[Pat McAfee]

It's bad.

[Darius J. Butler]

Y' all see those rankings?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, my God, it's gonna get so loud if this goes bad. It's gonna get so loud. I'm not gonna be able to get on the Internet. I'm not gonna be able to get on the Internet. Okay. I'm not gonna be able to do it for a couple days. I hope everybody understands that's what everybody expects, though. What's that?

[Darius J. Butler]

For it to be terrible.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, just like going into the season. Well, maybe this is why the optimism level was so low. Maybe they were right the whole time. It was 96% or something like that. This negative fan base was the Colts, and I was kind of positive going in. And then we have the number one offense in the NFL. We're the best team in the league. And then all of a sudden, injury hits at the worst possible position. And now 44 year old Phil Rivers coming out of retirement saying, hey, this feels like a daggum good Opportunity. And I want to let Phil Rivers know I can't wait to watch. And he knows that there's something terrible that could happen. Sure, he knows that. And that's the risk of playing ball.

[Darius J. Butler]

He does that. I don't think he sees that possibility.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you. You think he sees four and right here getting playoffs?

[Darius J. Butler]

Well, one and. Oh, this Philip Rivers is all time great at a time.

[Pat McAfee]

Go, go, go, go. Tough task out there in Seattle. Yeah, we're going to learn a lot. But I'm behind Phil and I'm blindly behind Phil. And I would like Phil to know that I appreciate him coming out of his retirement life. Okay. To come and do this and commit to the city of Indianapolis into the Colts again. And Phil should not know about the potential downside. Last night. There was a lot of. A lot of that in my mind, just for some of the things I was saying. Just from some of the things I was saying about how good it was going. And then you do look at that lineup of defenses and it's like, man, this could go really bad. But it was already going bad.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

It was already happening. So why not take a shot on Phil Rivers, a guy who knows the offense better than anybody else could? And also who's his backup? Oh, Riley Leonard. Riley Leonard out of Notre Dame. Well, is he going to be a little bit upset that maybe Phil Rivers is coming in here? Well, let's go to Gruden's quarterback camp. Presented by Barstool Sports. Talking to Riley Leonard this past offseason out of Alabama, sir. But you are a quarterback and you know, Philip Rivers comes from that same place. And you know Phil, have you thrown with Rivers and worked out with him? Yes, sir. He lives around. He lives probably three minutes from my house, so. Able to get over there and train with him. I don't think that there's a better.

[Hammer Tone]

Person to train with when it comes to fast feet.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, his baby 5 drop.

[Ty Schmidt]

To see him move in person, I.

[Pat McAfee]

Mean, it's really cool for me. A lot of people said he's got a weird release. I'll tell you what, it was the quickest release.

[Hammer Tone]

There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, you can't see his release. Sometimes that ball comes out of his hands fast and accurate. Because when I saw you play at Duke, don't I see the same type of delivery at times? Yes, sir. Anticipation, quick release. Don't I see Philip Rivers right here. Make a note about Rivers, will you?

[AJ Hawk]

Yes, sir.

[Pat McAfee]

We're going to learn about Rivers today, and we're going to win in the pocket. Thank you to coach Gruden, obviously, for everything that he does on the Internet, and thank you for that particular clip to let me know that this isn't only a move for right now. This is a move for Riley Leonard's future. Okay. They're trying to bring in his mentor to actually get hands on, work with him. Grew up around the corner. Riley Leonard grew up in a really nice house.

[AQ Shipley]

Good for him.

[Pat McAfee]

Congratulations. Good for his parents. He went to Duke and Notre Dame. They're living around quarter for Phil Rivers. Hey, no judgment. You're a dog, dude. You're a dog. You could have been very soft, from what it sounds like in my eyes, from what we were visualizing, and you're a dog. And he likes to run, pound the rock and everything like that. But I like that that's a move that potentially maybe even brings out even more out of Riley Leonard in this entire thing. And maybe this is why Phil Rivers is like, yeah, Riley's there. I like Riley. He's like a little brother to me, basically. Getting an opportunity to do that. That's an added little wrinkle to this that has made me feel positive about the move.

[Con Man]

Con man and the big Three. Like, I feel like all the moves that have been made gives you kind of the mental fortitude to kind of trust what the big three, the ownership is doing. I think debug kind of nailed it. First of all, Phil Rivers is the best Phil Rivers has looked in five years. I think people are forgetting that. That over these past five years, Phil look better than as he does right now to debut point. People are expecting it to be terrible. That's why I think it can be terrible. It just can't be laughable. Okay? We can't have him going out there tripping over lines. We can't have him going out there first throw, pick six. Like, we can't have things like that happen. We need to just hammer Jonathan Taylor. And I'm saying we because I live in Indy, too, all right?

[Pat McAfee]

I don't want to live in a city where people are just laughing at.

[Con Man]

The city that I live in. That's not fair. Fun whatsoever. So if he goes out there and he does the whole, you know, throwing balls and they're landing 10 yards short or he's throwing balls and every single one of them is barely getting past the line of scrimmage, we can't have that, because if it's terrible, oh, okay, so what? At least our team's trying.

[AQ Shipley]

At least the.

[Con Man]

The Colts are Going out there and trying to put a product on the field to get to the dance. But if he goes out there in first play, he tries to scramble around and he just gets Carson Wentz or yeah, he throws a ball and it's it quack as it leaves his hands. It's not just a duck, it's quacking.

[Pat McAfee]

Out there through the sky.

[Con Man]

Just. That's when we're in the territory of like, okay, come on, put Tyler Warren back there. Run the read option up and down this field. Let's make this game quick. Let's keep it ugly, but let's make it quick so we don't have to watch four and a half hours of Philip Rivers just throwing lollipop metal ball.

[Pat McAfee]

That's not gonna be it. Phil Rivers is not allowing himself to be seen publicly with a bad arm. That is not gonna be something that Phil Rivers will let himself. You don't think Phil Rivers was in the backyard. Okay. He had each of his kids lined up at 10 yards. Okay. 10 yard difference.

10 yard goal line, check down.

[JJ Watt]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Somebody at the 10, at the 20, at the 30, he made it to his fifth kid. Okay, that's good enough to be able to do whatever you need.

[Con Man]

Agreed.

[Pat McAfee]

6Th kid wasn't able to get it. Okay. Wasn't able to get to the other 40. Sue him at that age. But if he needs everything else, it's there.

[Darius J. Butler]

Take the Alec Pierce under.

[Con Man]

I think you can take just receiving in general, across the board, under.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Con Man]

But rushing, I think you nuke that well.

[Pat McAfee]

And you're benefiting greatly from Phil Rivers. And you know this. Kevin Clark reported that Drake May was working with Philip Rivers before the draft.

[Vince Wilfork]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So you know, Philip can still throw it. And yes, he can still trash talk says Drake May because they had a contest and guess who won? Phil Rivers did. And that's that daggum competition level that nobody else can really find.

[Con Man]

Yeah, Carolina.

[Pat McAfee]

Boys, that competitive fire that Philip Rivers has is what's going to drive him to put us in right positions to make the right plays and not expose himself. And there's been some mic'd up highlight reels put together on the Internet. Much better than the ones that have been on tv. Just remember, whatever's gonna happen here is gonna be electrifying. And Phil Rivers is gonna make it awesome. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, 12 year NFL vet, Super bowl champion. A man who potentially his rookie year could have, I guess, I mean, his whole career could have been, you know, 2016, 2019, six years ago.

[Con Man]

Mm.

[Pat McAfee]

Close. When I retired the most passing touchdowns in the NFL. Look at that list. Look at that list. Don't forget who's playing still, Russ. Nope. He's not playing. He's on a team. He's doing entrance to stadiums.

[Darius J. Butler]

Just doing good in the community.

[Pat McAfee]

I do respect Russell Wilson. A human. Okay, football wise, we can all agree.

[Ty Schmidt]

He stinks at this stage. He stinks.

[Pat McAfee]

Hall of Famer, though I would like to let it be known, I think Russell Wilson should be a Hall of Famer.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Super bowl champion. I don't think he can tell the story of football without Russell Wilson. Personally, I think that is a part of the story. People are going to hold a lot against him though, and there's going to be a lot against him. So I'm not saying that I don't like Russell Wilson and don't think that is the case, but back in the time, Russell Wilson was the guy. This is the reason why I would talk about Russell Wilson being a first ballot hall of Famer, but the only one that's still doing it, this guy, Phil Rivers. Okay? So let's make sure we put a little respect.

[Darius J. Butler]

We haven't seen him do it yet. Remember, today is the day, right? It's Wednesday. He's got a throw.

[Pat McAfee]

It might take a G day.

[Darius J. Butler]

He's on a. Is he still in the practice squad officially?

[Con Man]

Nah, he had. They already rolled him up.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, they already.

[Con Man]

I think they gave him the C as well. I mean, they yanked the 17 jersey off Dan Jones's corpse and already put it on him.

[Pat McAfee]

Had to.

[Darius J. Butler]

Couldn't be out there in any other jersey.

[Pat McAfee]

He's on practice squad. Okay, but this is just standard operating procedure as you guys, because why do we cut somebody immediately from the active roster if we don't know what's going to happen here? The NFL has allowed teams to put vets onto the practice squad. It's a good move. But aq, I ask you, it's big day. Phil River's going to be able to get the job done here. What is his biggest limitation? Now, I know we're.

[Darius J. Butler]

That was my laugh.

[Con Man]

It was my.

[Darius J. Butler]

But it's.

[Con Man]

It's because of. How is looking at you as you ask this question? Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah. I don't like any of these vibes right now. Okay. I don't like the way you're looking at me. Just as a guy who knows everything about all these defenses. What is that? What is the bet? What is the benefits, I guess, of having Phil Rivers as the quarterback if you just can't find any. I guess we'll hear what you think is potentially a drawback or two in this entire thing.

[AQ Shipley]

Well, what I think is I remember.

[Darius J. Butler]

A couple of weeks ago we had.

[AQ Shipley]

Seattle Seahawks as the number one offensive line. Sam Darnold threw the ball nine times. That's what we need moving forward. We need Philip Rivers to throw the ball nine times. Lean on the offensive line.

[Pat McAfee]

You've seen him throw the ball.

[AQ Shipley]

We don't need to throw the football.

[Pat McAfee]

We know he's right. Now what if you have no idea, right?

[AQ Shipley]

But he's going up to Seattle.

[Pat McAfee]

Was Drake May pretty accurate?

[Con Man]

Yeah, it looks like he might be the most accurate quarterback in the history of football.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so who do you lose to in an accuracy contest this last offseason?

[AQ Shipley]

The targets were at nine yards.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, draw them up. We need 14 different nine yard options on every single play is what we need. Will the offensive line be able to protect? What do you think? You think they bring in a heavy package? Do you think we're going to have to have an extra offensive lineman? Probably because he's not going to be able to move and we're probably going to be running a lot. Like what do you expect from Shane steichen with a 44 year old coach and Jonathan Taylor offensive line?

[AQ Shipley]

I think the ball needs to get out quick because as we know, Mike McDonald is going to bring pressure and he's going to bring pressure often against a quarterback who hasn't seen live defenses fly in front of his face. And how many years now?

[Pat McAfee]

5. 5.

[AQ Shipley]

Defenses have become much more sophisticated, much more complicated. First time he's going to step out there, he's going to see big number 99, Leonard Williams staring across, lined up in an overload defense. They're going to bring double corner blitz, drop out five guys. You don't, you just never know what's going to happen when you play Seattle and when you haven't seen defenses now in five years.

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, well, well, well, let's get into. He's got a bunch of kids. Rumor has it he's been playing a fair amount of Madden as of late.

[Pat McAfee]

See, so he might know McDonald's defense better than McDonald does because he was probably studying back in Baltimore whenever he's playing Madden just a few years back. So I mean we're in a new world. What about virtual reality? I see Philip Rivers walking in, taking the reps. Hey guys. You know, and then actually getting into it, seeing the whole thing. They say he'd catch up quickly. Now I was told though Mentally wouldn't be the issue. So if it's been five years and they're changing it up, it should be like riding a bike for Philip Rivers to understand what they're trying to do physically is the big thing. So you talk about it coming out quick. What does that mean? We're cut blocks on the offensive lines.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, Both tackles, both tackles should be cutting. We jump set in the middle of the pocket, get a nice clean pocket. Maybe even set him up at 6 yards instead of 5 yards. Let him get the ball and get that thing out fast.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so we think shotgun, shotgun, shotgun. So he doesn't have to do the drop back. We don't have to worry about stepping on somebody's shit or you stepping on your own shit or any of this stuff, doing any of the shit. Right?

[AQ Shipley]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

We got him back here. He's here. Jonathan Taylor here.

[Con Man]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

Tyler Warren here.

[AQ Shipley]

Sure, we could do that. Okay, so we get double chips going out. If it's a pass play, boom.

[Pat McAfee]

On the way we run a lot.

[AQ Shipley]

Of screens, maybe a little tight end y screen early, get them some confidence, get him some completions early, little bubble screen, maybe even a little halfback screen. Get them three screens right off the bat.

[Pat McAfee]

And what Seattle, Seattle knows that they're trying to do this as well. So is that pressure pressure or are they fake pressure kind of hold because they know everything's coming to them.

[AQ Shipley]

Well, Seattle does a lot of simulated pressures, but they also bring it, and they are going to bring it this week and I guarantee early they're going to bring something just to see how Philip Rivers can pick this up.

[Pat McAfee]

A little bit of a temperature check on the 44 year old grandpa.

[AQ Shipley]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

And also you guys are rolling around his feet a little bit. I assume after, oh, you're gonna touch him.

[Con Man]

So you can't do that. That's the worry. Like, like, like a Rogers Jet situation. Like what if he comes out and first throws a dart?

[Pat McAfee]

What you don't.

[Con Man]

And it's like, oh my God, hold on. Phil Rivers, he's gonna do it and then just one hit.

[Pat McAfee]

No, just don't want to hear that. That's the devastation. That's the devastation that could happen.

[Con Man]

That might be the best case scenario actually.

[Pat McAfee]

For who?

[Con Man]

For the Colts. If Phil Rivers didn't blow his both his knees out of both his shoulders on one hit, then maybe we go on and win this game. You know, like that might be both the shoulders, everything. If Philip Rivers just get sawed in half by Leonard Williams and his Whole body collapsed. Then we might go on a run.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like. I don't like that that's in the universe. Let's head over to Hammer.

Ap. Tone, what's going on, brother?

Oh, he just took a dog.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, he just got done taking poop.

[Pat McAfee]

From what I've been told ya. Bruce told me. Hey, Tone's back. But Bruce set him up for him not actually being back.

[Hammer Tone]

What's that, boys?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, happy you're okay there. Love the hoodie. Love what you're doing. Also, aq, we respect and appreciate the troops. Vince Wolfork will actually be joining us in about 10 minutes. Who just wrapped up a holiday tour with the uso, where I think he went to five different countries in seven days. Saw the troops, said, what's up? So mad respect, obviously, Army, Navy this weekend. Cannot wait to see how that ends up. Obviously a special game in our country. Now we're talking about Philip Rivers, and Connor just made a point maybe about Philip Rivers getting both of his shoulders blown out and both of his knees in one particular hip. Maybe he saw it in actual half in this entire thing. There's certainly some negatives. What do the sportsbooks say? Because I thought about a couple of these games. Houston's playing who?

[AQ Shipley]

The Arizona Cardinals.

[Pat McAfee]

What's the spread there? That's got to be a big one. Arizona just got absolutely demolished.

[Hammer Tone]

That was nine and a half.

[Pat McAfee]

That's got to be the biggest of the weekend, right? Nine and a half.

[Hammer Tone]

No, no, it's. It's not the biggest weekend. The Eagles are playing the Raiders. That one is at eleven and half. Let's see here.

[AQ Shipley]

The.

[Hammer Tone]

The Niners are playing the titans. That one's 12 and a half. So that one's. That one's got to be the biggest. Nope, nope. Colts are going Seattle, 13 and a half. That's actually the biggest one of the weekend.

[Pat McAfee]

13 and a half. Yeah. We had the Titans, Niners one wrong there. Niners obviously favored over the Titans there, especially at home, but whenever you. Thirteen and a half.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Hammer Tone]

Biggest of the weekend of a weekend of big spreads.

[Pat McAfee]

Houston is playing Arizona.

[Hammer Tone]

Go football, too.

[AQ Shipley]

Without both starting tackles for Arizona.

[Con Man]

Yep. What?

[Pat McAfee]

This is Arizona color commentator AQ Shipley with some information that you, as a national potential gambler, if you do have a gambling problem, we would like you to get help for that, obviously. But this is somebody that maybe has some information early in the week that we don't all have both tackles out for the Arizona Cardinals, and they're playing the number one defense that has the Houston sack station. If you're just looking ahead at a game that like, you would think, biggest spread of the weekend, you would think it would be that one. Colts, Seahawks is the biggest. They have no respect for Phil Ruby.

[Hammer Tone]

Yeah, but Jacoby has played football this century.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, five years. Century. More.

[Hammer Tone]

Decade, decade, decade.

[Jake Paul]

My apologies.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, time is something and time is what we're all battling against and we're gonna see. If time.

Had troubled Phil Rivers or did time make Phil Rivers better? And maybe Phil Rivers finds himself in the hall of Fame.

[Con Man]

He might be fast as now. Like, who says he doesn't have a 10 yard burst that we've never seen?

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he has one of them trailers that Matthew Stafford was going. And maybe he's been in one of those trailers.

[Con Man]

Immortal that.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Darius J. Butler]

He's old school, living in Alabama. You think that's. You think that's.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I mean, last time I would.

[Pat McAfee]

Say Birmingham, Alabama has advancements in technology. Remember, that's where Dr. Andrews is located.

[Ty Schmidt]

Last time we had him on the show, I think he had like AOL for Internet, you know, he had pretty much dial up. So I don't know if he's getting the immortal chamber, but he could. He might have that thing parked right outside his. His backyard.

[Pat McAfee]

Phil Rivers at his press conference was asked about his current weight and his response was, I'm not sure. Not what it. Not sure what it was when I walked off the field in Buffalo. But I ain't ran away from anybody anyway, so who cares if I look like a blimp, boys? It ain't about that. It ain't about that.

[Con Man]

What is he doing?

[AQ Shipley]

He looks like a tackle. He looks like an offensive tackle.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, and that's good because remember when Ben Roethlisberger kind of grew into that shape as well? He was impossible to take down.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

And that is. You know, Phil Rivers already has the double ankles taped.

[Con Man]

It's good.

[Pat McAfee]

Exactly. I mean, we should definitely be wearing all black. But I love the way he looks and it's great. We love you. We love you, man.

[Con Man]

Go get him, Phil.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's talk about some other news around the football.

He looks great.

[Darius J. Butler]

To be fair, the last time we saw him on the field, I know it was five years ago, he was still spinning it. So it's not like we, you know, the last time we saw five years.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

But hey, it's not so. We've seen some quarterbacks at the end look absolutely terrible. So playoffs Right. Yeah.

[Con Man]

Almost beat the Bills.

[Pat McAfee]

He is the best. He is by far the best quarterback that we have had since the whole thing happened.

[Con Man]

Since the graphic.

[Pat McAfee]

Then he takes. Yeah, that graphic that they put together. Colts vz and that was rude, but great graphic rude to put that together. Since Andrew Luck's retirement, all the quarterbacks that we have tried and given a go and paid. I mean, there's multiple $20 million quarterbacks in there that we've tried to kind of like replace in there. Philip Rivers was by far the best one we had. No, no, sorry. Danny Dimes was the best.

[Ty Schmidt]

There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

That we absolutely had. Phil Rivers before that got us to the playoffs, was not able to run. I mean, he was not able to run. He. He was. Carson Wentz with two sprains all the time. I mean, there was. It was peg legging that entire thing. But just his competitive spirit, his ability to understand what's going on and spinning it. He was always spinning and felt like he was always helping his teammates. Talking shit for his teammates, setting things up. It's like you get a guy back in the room. I think that's good news. And we're pulling for him. All right, let's go to college football. Congrats. Matt Campbell is your guys coach. That's a big guess.

[Vince Wilfork]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Matt Campbell is the head coach of the Penn State Nittany Lions. Aq. Obviously you're a member of the Penn State Nittany lion cult. This would have been a good hire. I think immediately out the jump if you guys move on from James Franklin and announce that you're hiring Matt Campbell out of Iowa State. I think ball numbers that no Matt Campbell would say that's a great hire. We don't know how the hell you got Matt Campbell out of Iowa State. NFL had been trying to poach Matt Campbell for years, allegedly. Other teams have been trying to poach Matt Campbell for years. I think once Matt Campbell maybe learned of some of the opportunity that was available, maybe it was a decision like, yeah, I should go try what Penn State has. It was very emotional. Iowa State was very cool on the way out. Very thankful for it. It felt like it was a celebration of Matt Campbell going over there. How do you feel at this hiring now? I will say I can't believe it happened for you guys. I thought you guys were in some deep, deep, deep shit whenever it was all happening. But this feels like a massive, smashing success of a hire for you guys, especially with the culture you're trying to have.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I thought this was a Home run. And I thought just watching everybody talk about him, all of the media, everybody thought this was a home run hire. I think it's the best fit. All of the things. And I think he nailed his press conference. He showed emotion, he showed humility. He was humble, and he. He kind of gave props and thanks to the history, while also acknowledging the future. I think he's been fantastic from the minute he took over. And they did a great thing in keeping Terry Smith. So I think they. They hit a home run on all.

[Pat McAfee]

Levels, and it was getting bad.

[AQ Shipley]

It was getting ugly.

[Pat McAfee]

There's leaked audio. Yeah. Which I don't like. I don't like that at all. I felt weird listening to it, but I certainly did, you know, because it was out there. So he had to know what was being said. That felt like a weird thing. Felt like there was attack from within, too, on the entire process. Oh, yeah, big time. I think obviously the leaked audio was somebody in a. In a room. Didn't feel like there was a lot of people in that room.

[Ty Schmidt]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, from the way it sounded, it feel like there was a lot of people in that room. I wonder if Pat Kraft, who was the one speaking in that audio, could put himself back in that room, go like, well, wait a minute. There was. I'm sure he's three people.

[Ty Schmidt]

Only three narrowed down.

[Pat McAfee]

I think we could probably figure out who that is. But that was an attack from within. And then there was donors that were unhappy with the situation. Like, it felt like it was getting loud to get Matt Campbell and kind of quiet it all. Great hire, I think, personally, for you guys. Good luck to Penn State. Let's talk about good for Oklahoma. The university just canceling all the shit.

[Con Man]

Awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

We're in the playoffs. We got a home game. Don't come to class. We're not expecting it. Your professors don't want to come to class. None of us want to do this. So let's celebrate the hell out of ball. Let's head over to Hammer. Done.

[Vince Wilfork]

Done.

[Pat McAfee]

I love the message coming out of Oklahoma. Boomer, Sooner World, Tone Diggs.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I do, too.

[Hammer Tone]

This is awesome. This is. You know, schools have done this in the past, but just to see this happening, and it's something that needs to happen so that the students could get. I assume the football team wanted this. The coaches wanted this. Everybody wanted this. So the students can get lubed up all day long, be loud and full throat for the game on Friday night, because it's a big one. They won down in Alabama, but they got Dominated as far as yards. They were. Alabama had 200 more yards than Oklahoma when they played Bama. Oklahoma had a pick six and a huge punt return. That kind of flipped that game. A lot of turnovers from Ty Simpson in that game with that really, really good Oklahoma defense. So this one, it's a one point spread. Some places have it Oklahoma favored by one. Some people have it Alabama favored by one or one and a half. But most of the money lines are minus 110, minus 110. This is by far the closest spread of the first round. And a lot of people are thinking could be the closest game as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And then obviously next day got Miami and Texas A and M A two lane Ole Miss, jmu, Oregon. Now watch out. Watch what? What? Who?

[Darius J. Butler]

Oregon better watch out.

[Hammer Tone]

Yeah, those docs better watch out.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Con Man]

Everybody feels like the only dog that can win JMU might be jmu.

[Pat McAfee]

JMU travel next weekend.

[Con Man]

Excuse me.

[Hammer Tone]

Oregon's got their coordinators taking head coaching jobs other places. Are they even focused? A lot of people are asking, oh.

[Pat McAfee]

Is Oregon going to think that JMU is just going to waltz? Remember jmu, A lot of wins this year. Oh, yeah. One loss. Jmu, lot of wins this year. They're a winning program. A lot of people think Oregon's just going to kill him. And maybe Oregon thinks that. Is that what you guys are thinking?

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, I don't know. Rumor has it too that Bob Chesney, head coach of jmu, said, hey, if we, if we win this game, I'm not going to ucla. I'm staying here.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that. Where did you hear that from?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's been floating around Twitter that somebody's.

[Pat McAfee]

Going to put that out as if we actually mean that.

[Con Man]

No, I saw that on Twitter.

[Ty Schmidt]

Thank you.

[Con Man]

I also saw an ex that Dante Moore is already thinking like, so how do, how does draft prep work?

[Pat McAfee]

Like, you think he's not focused on jmu?

[Con Man]

That's just, I mean, his oc. Where's his oc?

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so you guys are Kentucky. I didn't know we were doing all this trap game. They're 20 and a half point.

[Ty Schmidt]

It's not good.

[Darius J. Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Just like Seattle is Oregon about to get. Yeah, no, they are.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

You know that 2020 Super bowl team I was on?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Three JMU offensive linemen on that team.

[Jake Paul]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

I didn't know they had NFLers.

[AQ Shipley]

Earl Watford, Aaron Stinney, Josh Wells, all offensive linemen. They're going to win in the trenches. Don't sleep on jmu.

[Hammer Tone]

I got a Staff for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes.

[Con Man]

Tell them, Toad.

[Hammer Tone]

There's four teams where the offense and defense is both ranked in the top 10. That's Indiana, that's Texas Tech, that's Oregon, and that's JMU.

[Pat McAfee]

Wait a second.

[Con Man]

Boom. Number one team in the country. Where do all their players come from.

[Pat McAfee]

Last year and where all.

[Con Man]

Where their culture gets that from?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, jmu, I guess. Okay. All right, I understand what we're saying. Oregon is different this year for them though, right?

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

Because they're ain't as focused.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's move along. That's crazy to think because if Tulane wins or JMU wins, well, Tulane's not with it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Okay, there you have it.

[Con Man]

Ole Miss is going to win by 50.

[Hammer Tone]

JMU's the only one that's got a chance for that big of upset.

[Ty Schmidt]

Two lanes. I don't love two lanes. Head coach saying, I got two phones, two jobs, two hours of sleep. Let's you're going into the playoffs. We don't need to see the split hat with Florida and two, you just can't do that.

[Hammer Tone]

Split tarp is sick.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't think people are very happy that his team's in there either. So him saying, yeah, you're not think about me, I could be doing a lot more, you know. But on that note, congrats to him on getting a job in Florida and getting two lanes in the dance. A lot of people attacking Notre Dame and, you know, Miami and Alabama and everything. Tulane and JMU are in the College Football Playoff. And I don't want to stick up for ESPN because everybody understands that I've gone to war with ESPN publicly multiple times throughout a lot of different years and a lot of different events. But everybody that say all ESPN cares about is ratings and money, you don't think they would have called and said, hey, we're changing the top five champions thing. We're not having two of these teams in this 12 team playoff. Right. I thought about that last night. I'm like, why didn't they. We could have got noted. They could have said we could only get one group of five. There could have been some clause that they could have added in there. And the only people that would have been pissed were the small school that was going to get fucked this particular year. So two group of five schools in there, Notre Dame out. I don't know if money was the decision. Okay. I don't know if money was the decision and I don't know if necessarily the TV network was in control of.

[Ty Schmidt]

It completely you're saying they wouldn't have rather had Notre Dame versus Ole Miss or Notre Dame versus Oregon than who those teams are playing right now?

[Pat McAfee]

I just don't think so. I mean, there's some people in positions that we don't think they make a lot of good decisions in some places. Okay, we've seen them all. It is crazy when you get a peek behind a curtain, too. In a lot of places. Not. I'm not saying just one place. I'm talking a lot of places. You get a peek behind a curtain, somebody's making a decision go, how the fuck is that? That's the thing, making the decision. Then you look at it. This is inspirational. If that thing can get to that position, anybody can do anything.

[Con Man]

Why are they holding their breath?

[Pat McAfee]

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a five time All Pro, a man who played 13 seasons in the NFL. Beloved, I believe, by literally everybody, fresh off a USO holiday tour where he went to five countries in the Middle east in seven days to say thanks to the troops. Living legend, two time Super bowl champion, Vince Wilfort.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

How are you, man?

[Vince Wilfork]

What's going on, everyone?

[Pat McAfee]

Dude, thank you for joining us. Thank you for going on that USO tour. I had the opportunity to do that. I forget what year it was we went over to Japan. The USO people are fantastic. Spectacular. How was your trip and what's your big takeaway from it, Vince?

[Vince Wilfork]

You know, this is my third. This is my third year doing it, and this year was absolutely amazing. Again, you just understand how much our service members and their family sacrifice and just a little bit of our time during this holiday season, just to bring them a little joy and a little smiles, it means a lot to me. We are. We are represented very, very well as America in these different countries. So to be able to get, you know, guys out there like myself, Jeff Ross, the roastmaster, Ernest and Cody Ladonn, and, you know, Mia Jackson, you know, a comedian. You know, we just brung all these cheers and joy for the holiday season, and it's always a touching time of the year for me, just giving back and just showing them how much love and support we have for them because these guys are deployed and, you know, away from families and all that stuff. So, you know, they do the dirty work and they make their sacrifices daily for us to have the life that we have, and the least we can do is just give our time back to them. So, you know, we're not all military, but at the same time, we can all Support. And I think during the holiday season, right after Thanksgiving, heading into Christmas, being able just to be with our service members, man, it's just a joy, and it's just so much excitement when they see us and they smiling. And some of the times, you know, we heard a lot like, man, you know, these higher ups telling, like, we haven't seen you smile in months, you know, and all of a sudden they laugh and smiling and have a good time with us. And that's what the USO is all about. Just giving our time and just understand that they're not alone and we're here to back them and support them.

[Pat McAfee]

You're a good man, Vince. Thank you to the troops. Thank you to the troops. But you're a good man for doing that, Vince. Obviously, you don't have to do that. You know, like, the people that do charity and give back, everybody's like, well, that's what you're supposed to do. Well, yes, I think that is what you're supposed to do, but not a lot of people do that. Signing up to leave your family and friends during a time in which it's very vital to be around family and friends, to spend time with heroes that can't be with family and friends, right, Is a very cool thing. Vince, we appreciate the hell out of you doing that. I was following along with Ernest, you know, records. Big, loud boys were posting a lot. Saw you in helicopters. I saw Jeffrey Ross doing some magical stuff. Cody was obviously cooking out there. I love following along with what you guys did, and we can't thank you enough for doing that. Now, on that note, a lot of ball knowers, okay, in those military trips, a lot of ball knowers, a lot of opinions, a lot of ideas, a lot of football fans. Who do you think is in the best position around the NFL right now? If you were to compare your two teams, the Houston Texans or the New England Patriots? And then we can also add in the Indianapolis Colts because we just signed Philip Rivers. Vince. Yeah, yeah, Vince. Yeah, Vince. You guys are in some shit now, brother. But on that note, your two teams, the Patriots and the Texans, seemingly very, very good. How much you been paying attention and what are kind of your thoughts on both the squads?

[Vince Wilfork]

Well, I pay attention. You know, I pay attention. I think both of these organizations and teams, it's got something to prove. I think, you know, what Mike is doing in New England is amazing. Get the. And rather the troops back and get us back on track and. But, you know, to me, the scary team is Houston, you know, because If Houston is, if they could just figure out their offense, they're going to be a problem. They got one of the top defense, if not the top defense in the game. And we all know defense winning Super Bowls and they have it, you know, if they, if they just get it together offensively, I think that's a scary, scary team to see in the postseason. And I remember in 07 with us going playing a New York Giants team that was, I think they made the, you know, playoff nine and seven was a wild card and they went on to win the Super Bowl. But they peaked at the right moment. And I can see that happening with Houston. If they get offensive, if they get it going, I think this, this team can be very, very scary. So I'm pretty excited for both organizations. I played for both of them. Amazing organizations, great fan base, and, you know, this time of the year you have to play your best. So we're going to see what's going to happen. But I'm sitting pretty good, in good shape with two of my former teams in the race in a hunt with Houston being in the hunt. So I'm just looking forward to the rest of the season.

[Pat McAfee]

I like that you have two teams that are winning because the Houston Texans organization, for a little bit there, you know, they look like ass, ass cheeks. And then the Patriots. The Patriots had a couple years there. It's like, wait, wait, wait, are the Patriots about to be ash cheeks? And then lo and behold, two organizations that have good people in powerful positions turn it around and make them great. Now on that note, speaking of being great for a long time, we have die hard Patriots fan Boston Conner, who is very eager to speak with you. Vin.

[Con Man]

Yeah, Vin, thank you for your service. First of all, I mean, I think across the board, you're one of everybody's favorite players just in the history of football. But in New England, you are especially beloved. I mean, every single year you're on that D line, it was just kind of something that the team and fans could hang their hat on. And speaking of the D line, the Patriots paid Milton Williams, the D tackle from Philadelphia, over $100 million. I mean, he's the highest paid player in the history of the Patriots, and he plays on the D line. The Texans, their highest paid player is Daniel Hunter, also on the D line. Can you just talk about the importance of having that kind of top tier, dominant defensive line and why that leads to so much success, not just as a team, but, but a defense as a whole? And just your thoughts around d' Amico and Mike Vrabel being kind of defensive head coaches, especially in today's NFL where everybody seems to be trying to get the newest, you know, brightest offensive head coach.

[Vince Wilfork]

Well, I think, I think it starts up front. You know, I'm a big believer you have to start in the trenches, offensive and defensive line if you want to be successful playing the ball of football. I don't care what level you're at because you know, we've seen a couple years ago Cincinnati, you know, had a shot at the end of the, you know, at the end of the game, but they couldn't get the ball to a wide open Jamar Chase with Ramsey falling on the ground because Sam was in.

Aaron Donald was in his face being sacked. So, you know, and I think I posted then I'm like, everybody want to talk about these elite skill positions, but if you can't get the ball to them, it doesn't matter. So I'm a big believer in going up front, fixing the offense, defensive line and building your roster around that, that you have great success in this league. And with, you know, with d' Amico and Mike, two defensive minded coaches, you know, they're going to play some good football. You know, they've been doing amazing jobs. D', Amico, you know that he, the couple years he's been a head coach, man, his defense been, been on fire. And Micah, you know, I played with Mike, I played for Mike when I was in Houston and everything. So I know defensively they understand what it takes to get there, right? And I think the biggest best for me, if I'm building a roster, that's the first place I would attack because without, without those guys up front, you know, it really doesn't matter. And plus their game setters, you know, you, they said they set the tone in games. You know, if you can have a defensive offensive line, can run the football and can be able to stop the run and rush the passer, you know, get guys in third and long, you're going to have some good success. So I think both teams, they have what it takes defensively on that front and offense, the offensive line, that's the key. You know, can you block, can you hold up, can you defend the run? When you have to defend the run, even though this league now is a more passing league playing in there, you have to, you're going to have to run the ball at some point. Can you get those yards? If it's 4th and 1, can you get that 1 yard? When you talk about it all year in training Camp and leading the season. It's going to come down one. It's going to come down to a play sooner or later where you have to be able to stop the run and make a play. Can you gain that inch? Can you gain that one or two yards and fourth down defensively, can you hold, can you hold and be sufficient on those. Those plays? So I think both of these side, both of these teams has it up front, and that's why it's going to be some fun football. And we just talking about these two teams, but we have other teams in the league that has pretty good offense and defensive lines, too. So I'm a huge, huge believer with the front offense and defensive line. I'm going to always spend my money there. If I'm a GM or a head coach, I want to. I want to make sure we have playmakers at those positions, guys that can.

[Pat McAfee]

Change the game, build from the inside out. You know, I think we believe in that as well. We actually have a segment every single week where we go in the trenches and we rank the top five offensive lines each single week. And that has basically told us which teams are going to win the Super Bowl. If you can block and you can stop people from killing your quarterback, you're going to win the Super Bowl. The defensive line, though, if you look at the Philadelphia Eagles and the teams that made it last year, the D line having four ones basically, seemingly is the new game. So the trench is more important than it has been, I think, in like the last 10 years nowadays. On that note, a man who battled in the trenches with you has a question.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, Vince, My name is AQ Shipley. I played 12 years as a center in the league, went against you twice, once in New England, once in Houston. I'm sure you remember, because those weeks, yeah, night, sweats, nightmares, all of the things. I think we actually have a clip, we might have a clip of.

[Pat McAfee]

Of how hard I made it.

[AQ Shipley]

And then all of a sudden, you pressed the out of me.

[Pat McAfee]

That was really cool.

[AQ Shipley]

So that was really cool. But I just want to know at what age you realized that you were bigger, stronger, and more athletic than every single person on planet Earth.

[Vince Wilfork]

I think. I think in high school, I understood. You understand, as a, As a freshman in high school, I was 275 pounds. You know, as a freshman. Then my junior year, I mean, my sophomore year, I was £300. So I did move me from defensive end to defensive tackle. So I knew then, you know, I was pretty gifted when it came to my size. My Speed. My football iq. I learned a lot of football, especially going to UM and then getting a chance to play for Bill Belichick. I learned a lot of football there. So I think in the league it took me four years and a lot of people don't understand I had to learn how to play nose tackle because I was a defensive tackle my whole career. So defensive tackle, nose tackle are two different positions. So I have to learn the game of nose tackle. And it took me four years when I realized how to play that position and I was real comfortable at that position, I think. And at year four, that's when my career really took off because I kind of understood how to play that position. So, you know, I've always known and since high school, like this is what I was destined to do. This is my gift. How can I be the best I possibly can be and just put the work in and just learn the game itself from the inside out, you know, understand offensive formations and, and blitz and coverages, the rotation, if we check what we're going to do. It was a lot that came with it. But I put the time in just to understand all those things and it worked out well for me.

[Pat McAfee]

A lot of highlights against the Colts here. Don't love that. Obviously got a chance to witness it in real time. You talked about going to Miami and obviously playing great ball. You were a part of something special down there and we're in a special time of season. Go ahead, Debug.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. First and foremost, great to see you, Big V. Can't wait to catch up with you, man down in the crib. But as a BCS national champion, what's your thoughts on the new format? With the college football playoffs now at 12 teams with their shot to shine, maybe going to 16 soon, who knows?

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, Miami got in. Stop shaking your head. Stop shaking your head.

[Darius J. Butler]

I think we need to go back to the four team model, even back to the old school BCS model and figure out who can play for the national championship. But what's your thoughts on that? And kind of remind us of kind of who. Who were some of those other players on that defense, which on a national championship team.

[Vince Wilfork]

You know, right now college football is way different. I mean, it's a lot of football being played. I mean, you know, you're looking at teams now playing 14 games or whatever it may be. You basically playing the NFL season night college. You know, you talking about these kids that still developing and still learning the game. So I'm not a huge fan of it, but hey, it is what it is. Who cares what I think?

[Pat McAfee]

But we care, Vince. No, that's why we asked. That's why we don't.

[Vince Wilfork]

It's, you know, it's always going to be a problem, right? Because, you know, you have. Some conferences are better, you know, some don't have enough talent, enough people in their conference, and they go out and be undefeated in the first question they asked, well, you didn't play nobody. And I always tell people, hey, we played in the Big east when I played, you know, and we went on and we did what we had to do and, you know, history just itself, you know, with guys, you know, Jonathan Vilmo, DJ Williams, you know, Ed Reed. You talk about Mike Ron, you talking about a Roscoe full of, you know, Andre Johnson offensively, Clinton porters, Willis McGahey. So it goes on and on. And Sean Taylor, you know, so it goes on and on and on. And we was in the Big east, and it's just a tough situation to be in. You're gonna always be wrong. So I'm a big. I'm a big believer in, you don't leave it up to the committee. Simple as that. You don't leave it up to the committee because whatever the committee come back with, hey, it is what it is. If you just take care of business, you don't have to worry about that. So I see both sides of it. I'm a huge fan of, hey, take care of business, win the games you're supposed to win. And, you know, with the whole Notre Dame situation with your head to head, it is what it is, you know, we beat you. It is what it is. So it's just tough, you know, it's just tough and somebody gonna always be upset. Always, every year, I don't care. We have 20 teams is going to be that 21st team saying, hey, we should have been in. So it doesn't matter. You can't. You can't please everyone. So you just got to do the best you can. But as a team, you have to understand, don't leave it in anyone else's hands. You have to take care of your own business, win the games you're supposed to win. And if. If you do that, you won't have no worries. But if you get to the point where you dropping the game, you dropping two games, and all of a sudden it's. It's in the committed end, you can't do anything but sit back and just let it happen, whatever it may be.

[Pat McAfee]

He was speaking directly to Notre Dame right there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. That's.

Speaking of Notre Dame, I can already hear Marcus Freeman though. That's the entire offseason. That's the entire. We're not leaving it to anybody's hands. Like that is the. That's probably their drive, their motivation. I think they got a good team next year. Good team.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's still there.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[Ty Schmidt]

Marcus Freeman.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you think should happen?

[Ty Schmidt]

He's the current odds on favorite to be the next head football coach of the New York Giants.

[Con Man]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Vince Wilfork]

I mean, that's different. I mean, if he's leaving that program to go to the pro, I get it. But as far as being fired and stuff like that, I don't think. I think he's doing an amazing job at Notre Dame. I mean, he's, he's doing an amazing job there. So it is what it is. But if he's taking, if he's jumping shipping head to the NFL, you know, good for him and congratulations if that's, that's what it is. But I think he's a heck of a coach. I think he rallied the troops, you know, taking those two losses back to back early in the season. One went against us and then that right after us. He rallied the troops, the team got behind him, he got behind the team. They took, they put their head down, they put their foot in the ground and they just went on the rampage with winning, winning, winning, winning. So that's the size of a good football team. So I think, you know, at the end of the day, like I say, when you leave it up to the committee.

[Pat McAfee]

Once again, let me get back, Notre Dame fans, listen.

Talk about no committee. Let's talk about the way the NFL is run. There's some teams, you know, that could go on a, a magical run. We just signed Phil Rivers, 44 year old grandpa. Go ahead, Ty.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Vince, you are also 44 years old and I'm sure you remember back in 2011, you picked off a Phil Rivers pass. So you know, he can still do it. The question is, can, can you still do it? If d' Ameco. Ryan.

[Con Man]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, wait.

[Ty Schmidt]

If d' Amico Ryan's or Mike Vrabel calls you, let's say week 18, and they say, hey, Vince, we need you, listen, we need you to come back in maybe for one or two games to help us win a Super Bowl. I know you've already won two, but yeah, we need five snaps. We need five snaps out of you. And they might be the most crucial.

[Con Man]

Five snapshot goal lines.

[Pat McAfee]

You know what it is, right? You know what we're doing here, Vince.

[Ty Schmidt]

Is there any way you would entertain that?

[Con Man]

That?

[Vince Wilfork]

Absolutely. I mean, my mind, I'm like, yeah, I can do it. I can, I could, I could still play at the level I played in my mind, but my body tell me something different. So I'm just being honest with you. But, you know, my, you know, I spent 13 years in the game and I enjoyed every minute of it. And it's time. It was time for me to walk away. So I. I sit happily retired home and just living life. So I would not entertain it. But my heart, in my heart yes, I'm playing every Sunday in my heart.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you still swimming?

[Vince Wilfork]

Yeah, I'm still swimming. I still swim.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought that was genius. Hard knocks. Maybe before hard knocks, I'd heard it that, like, instead of running in the off season, you started swimming because of your joints. And then you felt like you actually got in better shape because of that and made your game better. Is that true?

[Vince Wilfork]

Yes, Yes. I used to swim, you know, once I got like year round, year six or seven, I got introduced to swimming. And when I tell you it changed my game.

Big time. So I, I didn't have. After that, my conditioning was swimming. You know, I would walk and swim. You know, that was, that was my regimen. That's. That it worked for me. And that was the best shape I've been in, you know, all my career when I introduced that swimming. So, yeah, I'm a big, big fan of swimming.

[Darius J. Butler]

That swim cardio is different. Where you working every. Everybody muscle in your body.

[Vince Wilfork]

Every. Every muscle in your body you working so.

[Pat McAfee]

And you die.

[Vince Wilfork]

It was, it was big for me.

[Darius J. Butler]

How's the golf game right now, though? What's, what's the handicap at?

[Vince Wilfork]

I'm sitting there by 8, but I haven't played in a while. But yeah, I'm sitting about eight still. Okay. Probably like two months ago and shot at 84. So I got to get back on the leaks. I'm looking forward to it.

[Pat McAfee]

What did you do? You were a shot. What was he?

[Darius J. Butler]

I think shot put. In shot put?

[Vince Wilfork]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

You got a jumper?

[Vince Wilfork]

I played all of that. And you went, yeah, I have a J.

[Pat McAfee]

How much did you weigh? How much did you weigh?

[Vince Wilfork]

275, 300 pounds.

[Pat McAfee]

How about when you were playing?

[Vince Wilfork]

When I played with my. What was my weight when I was playing? Yeah, I started the season, I would be. But anywhere from 325 to 335. Beginning and towards the end of the year, I would pick up. I would pick up more weight. It was a strategic for me. But I tell you what, I never missed a weigh in, and I tell you that because I knew when weigh in days was on, that Thursday, I would be ready to weigh in. But I told Bill all the time, hey, Bill, if you catch me two hours after this weigh in, you might be shocked. So don't. Don't even try to pull it.

[Pat McAfee]

It's like a boxer waiting for a fight. Yeah, AQ is doing, hey, that's a trenches move. This guy was drinking. What's that?

[AQ Shipley]

Magnesium citrate. It was basically laxative.

[Jake Paul]

Yep.

[Con Man]

You've done it.

[Vince Wilfork]

I've been. I've been there, done it.

[Con Man]

Yep.

[Vince Wilfork]

Trust me, man, I've been in. I just tried everything up under the sun legally, but, man, I. I've been there and it was like being a boxer, you know, I take it off and put it back on. I have a couple of days before game day, and I'll be ready to game day and then do it all again, you know, in the following week. So it was fine time, but at the same time, put a lot of strain on your body. You live and you learn, you know, but you have to do what you got to do, especially when it's $800 a pound. So, yeah, you do what you have to do to save them coins.

[Pat McAfee]

So I did that smart. You're a genius. Seemingly an incredible guy. Shout out to you for this USO tour for the third straight year. Doing it during the holiday season with the big lot boys and everybody and Jeffrey Ross and shout out to you for what you did for football. We appreciate your contributions to sport, man. Thank you for everything.

[Vince Wilfork]

I appreciate it. Thank you guys for having me on. You have a great holiday.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you still on the grill at all?

[Vince Wilfork]

Come on, man. That's all I do, daddy. I am the grill.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, that's Vince Wilfor.

[Con Man]

Yeah, man.

[Pat McAfee]

I am the grill. We need another foreman. Vince.

[Con Man]

The will fork.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it feels like that's. I mean, that's a lot of work for somebody. Good luck out there. Somebody go do that. He is the grill. You already have the ad. All right, before we get out of here, we have four minutes. Let's go through AQ's big takeaways from this past NFL weekend, shall we? AQ has three things that are his big takeaways that need to be chatted about a little bit more. First one from the weekend, that was Retro Roger.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right. He turned Back the clock. He was vintage Aaron Rodgers. And let's take a look at the very first throw he threw in this game. Let's drop back to pass fake play action. Yep. Let's just send this thing as far as we can throw it. Perfect ball to DK down the sideline. First throw of the game. Now let's go back to what he used to do. Right. He used to run around, he used to do all this stuff and show his athleticism. Right here, sit in the pocket. Yep. First of all, look at the protection by the O line. Great. All the time in the world. Broken play, move to the left. Let's sidearm this bitch to dk.

Another big play. And then this one. This is old school. Aaron again off his back foot. Little fadeaway. Three step drop as we get this snap. Just sit there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yep.

[AQ Shipley]

Let's just heave this thing back. Foot fade away. Perfect ball over the outside shoulder.

[Pat McAfee]

Also had a rushing touchdown. Obviously did the discount. Double check all over the place. Had the day in a game that I think Steelers fans are pumped about. Let's go to Hammer Tone. Is that retro Rodgers about to be the Rodgers that we see for the foreseeable future?

[Hammer Tone]

I hope so because that was awesome and that was kind of the Aaron that we were seeing at the beginning of the year and then there was that lull during the middle and hopefully this brings them into the rest of the year. But yeah, that was. That was his best game of the year and it didn't help. Like you saw the protection there. The Ravens only have 19 sacks. I think on the season they are not very good at getting to the quarterback. Like if Rogers is going to have time, he's going to be able to make those throws. So hopefully that's. That's what we get next.

[Pat McAfee]

Gen stat says Aaron Rodgers completed all three deep passes, 20 plus yards for 121 yards against the Ravens in week 14 with all three going to DK. So had three deep passes completed all of them only took three shots. He had just seven deep completions on the season. Entering week 14, they hadn't been very explosive. Maybe that'll add to it. DK Metcalf. Awesome to watch him playing Gunner once again. Will never say another thing about DK Metcalf. What's the second takeaway from you? Aq Love conquers all. Sorry, aq, I'm going to say that.

[AQ Shipley]

No, I love it. No, he's fantastic. And this is why I wanted to showcase him. Obviously for Ty, but because he was that good against The Blitz. Cover 0. Numerous times in this game. Let's take a look at this. Boom. He gets cover zero, slides left, moves up in the pocket and just slings this thing down the field to Melton for the touchdown. I mean, he shows this all season long. This one is incredible. Again, blitz. Notice how many people are up at the line of scrimmage. He's checking, he's recognizing, he's getting the blitz all figured out. Getting the line in the right spot. We snap this thing, the guy off the edge pushes his dn. Look at that one. If we can rewind that one more time. Look at the way he throws this. I mean, he's literally just sitting back there. Watch us off. Back foot, right leg. Just throws it to a spot to Watson. Unbelievable.

[Con Man]

And then this.

[Pat McAfee]

Those used to be the scary throws. Yeah, those were the ones that were turnovers.

[AQ Shipley]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

But now they're becoming completions. Because he knows what the defense is doing. Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

And that's just like part of his game now. You're right. It used to be like you'd see him throw off that back foot, he'd be like, oh, Jesus Christ, here we go. And now it's like, okay, he's got something.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, let's go to the last takeaway here. AQ Shipley, Love conquers all and Puka power.

[AQ Shipley]

This guy was unbelievable. Had a front row seat for this. This is incredible. Watch this. This was the first big completion from Stafford. Just pluck this thing. Look at the hands on him. He's so strong with his hands. Here's another one. A dig from the other side. He's down here on the right in the slot. He's gonna come up. Stafford throws this ball in between three defenders over top of the linebacker. One handed catch there. Again, another one here. This is at the end. This is a 2 minute drill. 7 route. Need a play, Need a chunk. Yep, go to Puka and then this last one. Watch this double move up top real quick.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, there it is.

[AQ Shipley]

How good is that?

[Pat McAfee]

That's Puka power, baby. We had Retro Rogers, we had love conquers all. We got Puka power and we got our hour two on the other side. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Take three.

[Vince Wilfork]

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[Pat McAfee]

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[Darius J. Butler]

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[Con Man]

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[Pat McAfee]

Football he is the greatest. God bless your soul at the toxic table at Boston Con and at Ty Schmidt, nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yes sir.

[Pat McAfee]

12 year NFL vet Super bowl champion AQ Shipley is here and joining us live from Hammer.

[JJ Watt]

Dan.

[Pat McAfee]

Dan is AP Tone Tone, how are the gamblers doing? Okay, how are we doing as we sit here staring down most meaningful football of the year? How are the gamblers against these sportsbooks who have all the AIs at their disposal, where we only have our brains and our hearts and our feelings and our minds and our projections of things that can never be as accurate as Joe dinardo on a Doppler. But our hopes for wow, a game is going to come. How are the fans doing against these greedy sportsbooks who seemingly always have it right?

[Hammer Tone]

Yeah, if we remember going back to the start of the season with the NFL, it was, you know, where teams were getting 60% or more of the bets. It was like on a trend of 1 and 4, 0 and 5, 1 and 4. And then the middle of the season, you know, things got better. Didn't have any winning weeks, but there was, you know, there was four and sixes, stuff like that. There has Been one winning week this year where teams getting 60% more or more of the bets, where the gamblers have had a winning record yet one easy one.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's not good.

[Con Man]

All it takes is one.

[Hammer Tone]

I mean, that's not how I'm sure people are hitting touchdown parlays and stuff like that, but we're just going strictly off of game lines. That's where we're sitting at.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And there's parlays hitting all the time. Those things are.

[Hammer Tone]

They always hit. That's what they say at. The more parlays you do, the better.

[Pat McAfee]

Chance you have a win. That's not real.

[AQ Shipley]

No, thank you.

[Pat McAfee]

That, that is. Thank you for that. That was us checking ourselves immediately in the middle of something. Just like what you said earlier. I heard if they win, the coach ain't leaving. It's like, that's not real. Make sure people know that's not real. And what he said, not real either. A lot of that's going to take place. But to your point, there is some fairy tale belief that parlays hit all the time. And when you hit one like once every three weeks, you think to yourself, yeah, that's why I do it.

[Darius J. Butler]

Got him.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm a genius. And then all the other times, you're always just one away. Seems like you're always just one catch. Maybe away, one yard away, sometimes maybe just one leg for 250, 000 people to all hit a same game parlay that would have been legendary. Do you remember when that was, AQ Shipley?

[AQ Shipley]

I do not.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, we had that for a Super Bowl. It was our last public parlay that we put out actually. Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

So many people.

[AQ Shipley]

What, what was the miss?

[Pat McAfee]

Patrick Mahomes over 225 yards passing.

[AQ Shipley]

And what do you throw for?

[Pat McAfee]

223, 215 or something.

[Ty Schmidt]

He had like 150 the first half too.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we. That one we are not worried about. Travis Kelsey scored a touchdown in the first quarter. That one was over. I think Mahomes had to score a touchdown too. Maybe McAffrey, I think. Yeah, somebody else. We had a couple touchdowns and then Mahomes for the thing it was. Plus I forget what the bet was, but 250,000 people riding with us, definitely the biggest bet group bet of all time. And we hit the first two in like the first quarter and it was like, now we just need Pat to just be a quarterback in the NFL. And when it's super bowl and somehow it didn't hit, it's like, oh, that's.

[Con Man]

When I started worrying that's it's, it was, it was the Chiefs Eagles and it was cuz Tony, remember Tony had that. It was like the drive. Here we go.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. We didn't have enough to get yards.

[Con Man]

And then Tony brought the ball back all the way to like the 15.

[JJ Watt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Huge pot. That's exactly. Heartbreaker. And then they run corn dog through the whole thing. Yeah. So he, his return basically eliminated us from winning it. And we were watching live. Remember we were streaming it live. We were watching and everybody was. And then immediately upon it not hitting. When you're in a give out public parlay game, man, people get really mad that they put their money on your parlay. Even if you were that close. And it should have. Certainly. So we got 200 and some thousand people on the bet. I don't know, maybe 100,000 will let us know that we're the worst humans. At least. It's a lot of fun. So that's why whenever Tony starts saying this is a good thing, we gotta tell you it's not. And don't. We're not telling you to do anything. Joining us now is a man who loves giving out picks, though he's seeing a board, actually, ladies and gentlemen. He's a college football national champion. He's a Super bowl champion. He's a Ryder cup winner. He's a father of 10. Happy holidays to all of them. A.J. hawk. Yeah.

Merry Christmas.

[AJ Hawk]

Yes. Merry Christmas. Are you guys. You're backpedaling on your Philip river situation. Even though I was very positive yesterday. I guess you were too. You were positive, but some guys in there are backpedaling.

[Darius J. Butler]

Thank you, aj for helping me see the light. I appreciate your positivity. Needed it.

[Pat McAfee]

So what. So were you back? DB's very good backpedalers. Now. I watched a video of Coach Saban saying that the backpedal is the least important part of being a corner.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I saw that too.

[Darius J. Butler]

I didn't see that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I'll send it to you. He was talking about he had a corner that quarter turn, quarter turn. The whole time. He said so. I used to think that the backpedal was the most important part. I used to coach it. Then I had a guy that just only could do the quarter turn. And he was the best. He worked out. All right. So let's not just automatically rule people out, basically because they can't do. I think that was kind of the message. And oh yeah, on that note, congratulations. Coach Saban officially going into the hall of Fame last night. Awesome. Obviously it's been an absolute honor to get to know him, become friends with him and listen to him speak and learn about how he views different things, situations. It's very obvious why he is a goat. It is very obvious that he has that, you know, they talk about Mamba mentality or how MJ is or how these people that are at the top and how they activate. He has all of that. But also he's evolved because he's had to teach others in his humility. It's a very fast. He's a fascinating individual. He is so incredibly, supremely talented at what he does, while also still remaining relatable somehow and also having interests of things that other people find relatable. All these athletes get in these super crazy diets and they almost become these like superhero robots where you can't even touch them. Tiger woods becomes this like machine, basically. Kobe Bryant, rest in peace, known be a machine. Michael Jordan, this entire thing. Nick Saban is like a guy you can go talk to and he is going to be able to give advice and information to everybody somehow. He is special. This guy's special. Congratulations to him. Going into hall of Fame. It was in Las Vegas yesterday. I was gonna try my best to get out there. It's a long ass flight because it wasn't only Coach Saban, former teammate of mine as well. Steve Slayton goes in West Virginia. He goes in to the hall of Fame. I like seeing Steve Slayton get his flowers because of how special he was at West Virginia. And that came from a guy that played at UConn at the same exact time as us in the Big East. And this dude was supposed to go to Maryland. Maryland. He committed to Maryland. He was out of Philadelphia area. He was supposed to go to Maryland. They pulled a scholarship from him, West Virginia. Rich Rodriguez basically just gets in there like a week beforehand and says, hey, we'll give you the ball, we'll give you the ball. He comes in, obviously highly touted. This guy's special. He's going to be good. One of the chillest, coolest dudes of all time. Got along with everybody and whenever he started running, he was unstoppable. And he had vision, he had cutback, he had explosion. And he was the dog. I mean, workouts everything. He was Steve Slayton and Pat White. I got to ride their coattails to a lot of very cool moments. And obviously we won a bunch of games. We didn't win the biggest game in college football, but we did win a bunch of games. We changed the trajectory of West Virginia. And I keep saying we. It was really. They. Those two, actually, those three right there as Owen Schmidt kind of pound somebody. And then we had Darius Renaud at wide receiver as well. And we had studs on the defense and we had some offensive linemen that ended up going to the NFL. But it's like. Like we had a great team. It was an honor to be a part of. And Steve Slayton and Pat White were the ones that put the West Virginia Mountaineers onto the current map that they're on. They would play. What's the video game you guys would play?

[Con Man]

NCAA 2K15.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay. So. But it would have been earlier than 15, for sure. Yeah. Because I graduated high school in 0507 then. Yeah. So probably the 071. Pat and Steve were unstoppable in NCAA 2K or whatever. So people talk about that as something like, that's fun for gamers. It also made the West Virginia logo and brand very, very, very, very, very popular. Then we were playing on Thursday night football on ESPN, the West Virginia University scenes. We probably played UConn on one of those games. We were like the Thursday night team. That was before the NFL was playing. So they had us on the. We had plaques on the wall in our facility that was like, most watched Thursday night game ever. With this amount of people watching most watched Thursday night game ever. And obviously that might not sound like something to a team that's big in the SEC or big in the Big Ten or the Notre Dame squad that's had their own TV network since the beginning of time, which is such an advantage. But for, like, West Virginia, us being crowned as, like, the must watch teams in the middle of the week, whenever people had nothing else to do was huge for our program. And a lot of the reason why people were electrified by our team is because that dude would be running wide ass open down a field multiple times alongside Pat White and an offense that was electric. So I'm happy he's getting his flowers. I'm hoping that he's getting a chance to really take it all in. He's super humble, dude. I didn't really like to do the whole song and dance of being celebrated. So I'm happy he was there last night. I'm happy he got a chance to be celebrated. And congrats to them both. But UConn, we saw you on a couple Thursday nights. You saw Steve a couple times, I would say, as well.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, Steve was special, obviously, Pat White was special, but they kind of revolutionized and changed college football. Like that offense, obviously the video game was one thing, but to. To see that, it was almost as different as seeing, like a triple option. But it was just. It was two guys. And sometimes, like you said, Owen Schmidt back there, who was athletic, too, so when he got the ball in space, he was also a problem. But at that point, you know, Big east was, you know, we had some good teams at Rutgers, we were doing well. Cincinnati was doing well with Brian Kelly there. South Florida, everybody kind of had to run.

[Pat McAfee]

Shady was at Pip, Shady was at Pitt.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, we had guys all over the place, but you guys were definitely at the top. And even, you know, you always root on your conference when at that point, you go to a big BCS game and it's like, all right, go and kick. Kick Georgia's or whoever's ass and let them know it's not just. It's not sweet out here. So shout out to Slayton, shout out to Pat White. Like they were a special, special group. So glad he getting his flowers.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, shout out to them, man. Thank you. I had a lot of fun because you guys. A lot of too much fun. Probably you guys saw it, and we're a part of some of it, so you might be partially to blame. But on that note, thank you guys, and congrats to both those guys going into the hall of Fame and everybody else that went into the hall of Fame. Joining us now is a guy that'll go into all the hall of Fames, probably a broadcasting one or two. I'll tell you what, maybe even a statistical one as well. Maybe because he's not scared to use the numbers, while also using the. The brain capacity of a man who is a multiple time defensive player of the year. A man who comes from a family that has just only created stallions, his son being one of them last week or the week before. His boy was just roaming wild on a beach while he continued to talk ball to us. This guy's a legend, ladies and gentlemen. Long hair, having handsome face, 6 foot 10, monster of a man. J.J. watt joins us. Yeah.

How you doing, JJ?

[JJ Watt]

I'm great. I'm happy to be here. So excited. Wednesday, beautiful day. Lots to discuss. Just fantastic. You got a backwards cap on. Something's in your cup. Don't know what. Excited to find out. Two rings, one gold watch. What a life.

[Pat McAfee]

So, first of all.

[JJ Watt]

I know hair tie and a ring.

[Pat McAfee]

Rubber ring. Rubber ring. Because Jimmy Fallon did that to his finger.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Ty Schmidt]

Almost took his finger off.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, whatever. They said Jimmy Fallon got all boozed up, but this is what the report was. I'm not saying this is what happened. I would like that to be very clear. This is how I have learned of.

[Ty Schmidt]

The story that happened.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[Ty Schmidt]

Edge of his marble kitchen island. He took a fall, and it almost ripped his finger off.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And I watched Jimmy Fallon, and I remember his finger just being different.

[Ty Schmidt]

Massive cast on for a while, and.

[Pat McAfee]

It came back and I think was ugly. And it was like, all right, so if I ever get married, not doing that. There's no way. So I got that bad boy and then hair tie for my daughter. Thanks. Hope you feel great about it. Okay. I love having my daughter with me every single moment of my life as I work hard for my family, knowing that I could just do this right here. Oh. And then my daughter and my wife right there on my heart at all times. And then you lift this thing up, and it's like, boom, there's a tattoo. How close is that to my heart? That's of my daughter. Daughter, too. You know, of her birthday. So anytime I'm feeling alone in this. In this long, long, long life that I'm living right now, hard life, I just think about my daughter and my wife. So anything you say, oh, there's a team you bought trying to turn into a profit on your forehead. Is that what you want me to say, buddy? Is that what you want me to start pointing out?

[JJ Watt]

On that note, I don't know what happened here. I got, like, a spot of oil or something there.

[Pat McAfee]

Who is that, Espanol or Burnley?

[JJ Watt]

Espanol.

[Pat McAfee]

Senor Ponch's team. Hey, we talked to Ponch the other day. English okay. It's tough to understand a little bit of it. Most of it. But he loves America.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And he is a. I didn't even.

[JJ Watt]

Know who you were talking about because of how you pronounced that name.

[Pat McAfee]

His name's Ponch. Coach Ponch. We're talking about the US Men's National Team. Former Espanol player. You know, he played for your program before you bought that. Yeah, I know.

[JJ Watt]

I'm well aware.

[Vince Wilfork]

I didn't.

[JJ Watt]

I didn't know there was an N in there. I was unaware of the N. This guy's Ponch.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Nickname. Yeah.

[Con Man]

His friends call him Ponch. I guess that kind of.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And to be clear, he might have been correcting us, and we couldn't understand what he was saying, so. But know that we are big Espanol fans because Espanol created Ponch. Ponch is going to coach the US National Team to a World cup champion.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

Yep. Trophy.

[Pat McAfee]

Super trophy. What is the trophy called, Gump? The World cup, of course.

[Con Man]

It's not even a cup.

[Pat McAfee]

Of course, of course, of course.

[JJ Watt]

That's the best point yet. You. Well, the world's sitting inside of a cup, I think, on the trophy.

[Pat McAfee]

So do we pick up the world, then, or do we.

[Con Man]

I thought it was hands holding up. Holding the world. Yeah. It's not a cup.

[Pat McAfee]

Why?

[JJ Watt]

Actually, this is one of your smartest things I've ever heard you say.

[Vince Wilfork]

Connor.

[JJ Watt]

Let's dive into this. Can we get a photograph?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And there's a. There has to be a name to this thing. There has to be a name.

[Con Man]

The balloon door.

[Pat McAfee]

No, that's.

[Ty Schmidt]

The Golden Globe.

[JJ Watt]

Is what they called the World Cup.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, the Golden Globes are actually. Out. Out. I can't drink out of that. Are cups different languages, different things? I thought a cup had to be able to be drank.

[Con Man]

Is there like a tiny bowl on top of it?

[JJ Watt]

It could. It could be sitting in it just permanently. There could be a cup.

[Hammer Tone]

They're not calling the trophy a cup. It's the World cup, comma trophy.

[Pat McAfee]

What? It doesn't even have a title.

[JJ Watt]

But then what about, like, party cup? Mean, like, the Stanley cup is a cup.

[Con Man]

Yes.

[Ty Schmidt]

She called the poncha Tina.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I'm saying. That's what we're. That's what we're talking about with this guy who played for Espanol and kind of cut his teeth at Espanol.

[JJ Watt]

That's a cool trophy, though. Look, I mean, that is a bad ass trophy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it's very. How much is this one worth? Multiple millions, I think. No, that's Club World Cup. This is international. No, how much is that trophy worth? Oh, I think they spend a couple.

[Hammer Tone]

Says 20 million on the Internet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

What?

[Ty Schmidt]

That's ridiculous.

[Hammer Tone]

It's solid 18 karat gold.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. From my recollection, because remember, we always get into, like, what's the best trophy in sports? That always happens in the offseason. And we talk about Lord Stanley, we talk about the Bjork Warner at the Indy 500. Obviously Lombardi gets talked about because it's the biggest league on earth. And then the soccer people all come in and they're like, this isn't even a question. This is the best trophy there is. It's like, I don't know, Stanley cup could kind of just sit right on top of that thing. 20 million inside of the thing. Like one of those little toys.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah, the Russian dolls.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, like a Russian doll. But I Understand, when us gets this, we will like it.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Hasn't really been a reality.

[Con Man]

MLS Cup's pretty sick.

[Pat McAfee]

The original trophy used to be an actual cup. I just looked up and then who. Somebody got a hold of it.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

You know, some bureaucrats got involved in 1974.

[Pat McAfee]

They said, we need to redo this.

[JJ Watt]

And then they turned it into that one.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't like that. Let's talk about football.

We have. And I think the reason why you came in in the jolly mood that you were in is because we signed 44 year old quarterback Philip Rivers. Now, we saw some footage yesterday of Philip Rivers playing for the Indianapolis Colts and you were playing for the Houston Texans in that particular footage.

[JJ Watt]

Now, I saw that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, that was quite a.

[JJ Watt]

Shocked myself. Shocked myself.

[Pat McAfee]

Me too. You were on the screen and I was like, jj's not on that team. He had to have been on the Arizona Cardinals by this time. Nope. You were still on the Houston Texans when Phil Rivers was spinning it for the Indianapolis Colts. I'd like to remind everybody, Phil Rivers led the Colts to the playoffs. He was the best quarterback that we had had post Andrew Luck and then obviously Danny Dimes has surpassed him. His high school team that he coached with his son Gunner ran the same exact offense. That's JJ Watts piece of information to it. So, jj, it sounded like what you were saying, and I might be wrong here because I don't know if this is how you can feel about this Indianapolis Colts team. I feel like you like the signing. I feel like you like the. Phillip Rivers is the starting quarterback for the Indianapolis Football Colts. Is that accurate or what?

[JJ Watt]

I mean, I'm a football fan. This is awesome. As long as everything goes smoothly and there's no injuries or anything that come out of it. I mean, from a pure content standpoint, from a pure enjoyment entertainment standpoint, this is phenomenal. And now thank you for pointing out my big J journalism here.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you.

[JJ Watt]

The fact that, I mean, it literally basically seems like it came down to the fact that they need a quarterback to play this Sunday because it appears that Riley Leonard may be hurt and not able to go. So they need somebody that knows the offense and can execute it and he is literally the person that knows the offense best and we're going to find out if he can execute it. He just said it himself in his press conference. He's like, the only way you know is when you walk through that door. So let's, let's see. And I think that's such an awesome mindset and mentality now, if you're sitting there as is the Colts and you're trying to capitalize on a season that started 7:1 and had unbelievably high hopes, is this where you want him to be at this moment? No. But if everything was going awry anyway, this has got to be the hands down most fun you could have at this point.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm about sick of the most fun thing. Okay.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. Content entertainment.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. You hear this, like playing football. Is this WWE guy. What do you. What do you think Chris Ballard's doing? Hey, we need a good tweet. We need a good meme. We need to draw a little bit of juice to this Colts team. Is that what you think is happening here? It's a lot.

[JJ Watt]

No, I think they legitimately believe that this is their best chance to win this weekend. I don't. I don't deny that, that that's what they believe this is right now. I'm just saying for the rest of us out here in the world, this is fun.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So you keep saying they and we're talking about you. Okay. You've caught a lot of the Colts games this year. You're just off the Jags game. That was tough. Tough. That was tough for us.

[JJ Watt]

All I'm saying they're different positions. If I went out there today and I like. Because this isn't something he's been preparing for all year. Like, like, maybe I will, maybe I won't. Dude's been out for five years and this just happened this weekend. Like, this just happened on Sunday. Both guys went down. So he has known maybe for three days that he might play football for the first time in five plus years. So, like, if you ask me today, and I train very regularly, but if I had to go over to the Texans facility and like put on my. My uniform, I. There's a bunch of different muscles that could go out at any moment at that just because I haven't fully prepared. Now you take me two, three more years down the road, I got no idea what's going to happen. Thank God quarterbacks can just stand in the pocket and sling it. I believe his arm is probably great, but what's it going to be like in that pocket against the Seahawks defense?

[Darius J. Butler]

Just.

[JJ Watt]

Just short sharks circling, circling.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't know if you like what's going to happen. It sounds like you think there's potential problems ahead and there's a lot of those. Okay. And I've had to.

[JJ Watt]

This could be awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yes, it could be. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

What's best case Scenario. Jj, what do you think best case scenario is? Maybe on the flip side, you can, you know what? What's the worst case scenario as well?

[JJ Watt]

Best case scenario is Philip Rivers is so damn smart that he drove that van from wherever he lives up to Indianapolis for the trial out with the TV screen in the back. And he was studying Mike McDonald film and Seahawks film the entire drive. He got there and he talked to Shane Steichen. He said, hey, this is how we're going to attack them. I know exactly where their blitzes are coming from. I know exactly what stunts they're running. Don't worry about my age or my speed because I'm not going to get hit. The ball is going to be out of my hand before they even know what they're running on their own defense. I'm going to slice them and dice them. Get the ball in Pittman's hands. I'm going to chuck that fall up to Alec Pierce. Oh, I got this weapon. Tyler Warren. Yeah, let me get him. Oh, I haven't even mentioned the number one rusher in the NFL yet, Jonathan Taylor. Let me hand it to him a few times. I won't get hit when I hand it to him.

[Darius J. Butler]

Boom, boom.

[JJ Watt]

I got 350 yards. Jonathan Taylor has 150 yards. We got five touchdowns win.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, wow. Yes. Take me there.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[JJ Watt]

Now you want the worst?

[AQ Shipley]

The other side.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[AJ Hawk]

What's the other side? We got. We're, you know, like political.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Keep it football wise, but don't, you know, because that van crashing on the drive up, that would be the worst case scenario. We're talking football wise. What would be the worst case scenario? Please.

[JJ Watt]

I mean, I mean, I mean, we. Football wise, it's just Daniel Jones play happens again.

[Pat McAfee]

No, we don't.

[Con Man]

Yeah, but the both legs that carry.

[Pat McAfee]

See, Connor led the show saying there's a chance that one hit both knees, both shoulders. You know, at 44 years old, five years removed. He said there's a chance he gets sawed in half. And Philip Rivers knows that. Oh, yeah, he's still. He's still around the pads popping. He's still. He might wear a guardian cap.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

It's the best he's looked in five years.

[AQ Shipley]

He needs to.

[Ty Schmidt]

He needs. He just had another kid. He's got a grandbaby. Wear a guardian cap. Protect that brain.

[Pat McAfee]

He better, bro. There's. There's going to be a lot of.

[JJ Watt]

You know, there needs to be some Vegas odds. Will he have a neoprene sleeve anywhere on his body? Will there Be neoprene.

[Darius J. Butler]

Copper.

[Pat McAfee]

His. He's going to use a roll of tape. Each ankle will have a roll of tape. I assume there will be copper fit here. Here.

[Ty Schmidt]

The gloves here.

[Con Man]

Maybe probably the neck.

[Pat McAfee]

The Brett Favre one.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. The fingerless gloves he uses.

[Pat McAfee]

I saw those at CVS the other day. I almost pulled the trigger just because it was a holiday somebody is getting this for. But maybe do that, by the way. But whole roll of tape. Each ankle. I mean, he has a cast on both of his feet whenever he goes out there. That's what I realized five years ago when he was playing for us. Like, he comes out there, there's not even a thought of those things. Any of this ankle weight. So then whenever he starts moving that. That's. He's a ski. He's skiing. Okay. He is. We are going straight this way. So there's potential. A lot of awkward falls. I'm thinking he should put that guardian cap on.

[Con Man]

I think so.

[Pat McAfee]

He's tall, too.

[JJ Watt]

There's a chance he's setting a precedent here. If he goes out there and balls out. Do you know how many retired guys Drew Brees talking to their significant other? Like. Like, man, I've always thought I could, but I wasn't sure. He just. He just did it.

[Vince Wilfork]

I'm.

[JJ Watt]

I'm going back. I'm going back.

[Pat McAfee]

Here's this. Here's Phil Rivers quote. He had a press conference today. I'm reading this for the first time. Shout out to Fox 59. I'm not here to save the year or be a hero by.

[Vince Wilfork]

Yes, you are.

[Pat McAfee]

We got to stink the crap out of the football and play deep.

[Con Man]

Oh, geez.

[Pat McAfee]

That's. That's all a ploy. Yeah, right.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

That's Phil Rivers. Phil Rivers know that him and Shane said we're throwing this thing 40 times. Yeah. So he's letting Seattle know we're going to run this ball. That's a dad gum ball. And then McDonald's like.

He wouldn't tell us what they're going to do. Right. And then Phil river is going to be sitting at six yards. Lift that leg up.

[Con Man]

That's right.

[Pat McAfee]

And then he's 45 times.

[AJ Hawk]

Oh, boy.

[Darius J. Butler]

That extra yard.

[Con Man]

I'm getting more worried as we talk about worried.

[Pat McAfee]

Did you hear what Jade said? I was living in that world. We can live in that world. That is possible. Jj, you didn't just make that up. That is an actual thing that could happen, what you just said.

[JJ Watt]

I mean, you guys have like. I mean, this is all we'll Talk real now, like, Daniel Jones ran that offense in a way where Shane Steichen dialed everything up and it was a progression offense where Daniel Jones came out of the huddle, knew where the progressions were, 1, 2, 3 and where the ball had to go. And if one was covered, he moved to two. Like it is set up for somebody to step in and as long as they know and understand the concepts and can deliver the football, you can do it relatively safely back there. Now, did it operate a ton better when Daniel Jones could move and threaten the defense with his legs and have the RPO game? Absolutely. But it is not unrealistic for somebody to stand back there and deliver it. They have weapons and they have a good offensive line. They have not been good the last month, it's just a fact. But they can dial it up and they have like, just, just get it in your playmaker's hands. Give it to Jonathan Taylor, get it to Tyler Warren on these little tight end screens or these little flat routes. Get it to Pittman at the sticks, downs at the sticks. And then toss it deep to block up and toss it deep to Pierce.

[Pat McAfee]

We're winning football games. And right now I want to let you know, because this has happened maybe not so much recently, but Colts fans do travel. I mean, that is something that Colts fans are known for. Maybe we go take over Seattle Seahawks stadium. You know, maybe the Colts.

Maybe they're.

[JJ Watt]

Not selling their tickets for their super bowl contending team. Are you crazy?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, if they are, you could get them a seat Geek for $30 less than what they're actually priced at.

[Con Man]

Good deal.

[Pat McAfee]

You use code Pat McAfee, get $30 off at sea geek. It doesn't matter if you're a return customer or first time buyer. Shout out to SeatGeek. The greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth. And.

Maybe Colts fans should think about trying to go travel up there and make sure it's a little bit bit more copacetic for Philip Rivers return. Make sure it's quiet in there when he's on field. Because I have a funny feeling that Seattle Seahawks fans are going to try to be mean to Philip Rivers.

[Ty Schmidt]

He wants that. You think he doesn't want to go with them first?

[Darius J. Butler]

Drive them up.

[JJ Watt]

Oh, Philip Rivers tenure on Sunday. How many yards does it gain and how many points does it gain?

[AJ Hawk]

Play first place, play action.

[JJ Watt]

Does it get points? Does his first drive get points?

[Con Man]

Absolutely not.

[AJ Hawk]

7.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought you were stopping at absolutely there. And he finished it off with a knock.

[Con Man]

I can. I'm worried about what we're going to experience.

[AJ Hawk]

Go deep. First time, first play.

[Con Man]

So excited.

[Pat McAfee]

But look, he's taking a knee. Look how nimble he looks. We're not. Listen, look at him. Boom. Put your other leg up, please. Yep, no problem. Super flexible stuff. He was just. He was on his other knee before this video at the beginning as he was on his shot to James Boyd. We appreciate the coverage, local coverage of the Indianapolis Colts on the beat. Also, morning show host here in town. I think they wake up at like 3am to do a morning sports show here in Indianapolis. I love the grind. I appreciate the hell out of him. James gets a lot of stuff and talk. Talks a lot about the quote. But look, he's on the opposite. Neither.

[JJ Watt]

Yeah, watch his hip flexibility. That toe drags on the ground. That toe drags on the ground.

[Pat McAfee]

He's warming up.

[AJ Hawk]

Purpose. That was on purpose.

[Con Man]

No braces.

[JJ Watt]

No brace.

[Con Man]

Body feels good.

[JJ Watt]

No tape.

[Pat McAfee]

And also, he doesn't look like a fat ass. Like, everybody was kind of saying he doesn't look like a fat ass. Everybody was kind of saying that. Phil Rivers, he's been retired for five years. We've been working, watching him coach football and eat pizza. He's a fat ass. He's not a fat ass. Phil Rivers said, I don't care what my weight is, I'll never be able to run away from anybody anyway.

And that's a real answer. That's what he actually said. Dadgum it. So, I mean, this is a good look at Phil Rivers. I'm happy.

[JJ Watt]

I gotta ask some. I gotta ask some honest questions here. If you're another quarterback in that room or you're one of those two guys warming up next to him, how are you not looking at yourself like, man.

[Pat McAfee]

A first ballot hall of Famer is here. Yeah, I need to start learning from this guy. Is that what.

[JJ Watt]

You couldn't even get a shot?

[Con Man]

I mean, where's Andrew Luck at? He's let. He's letting Indy down again.

Where's Andrew Luck at? That's what I wanted to do.

[Darius J. Butler]

Trying to save Stanford right now.

[Con Man]

Well, guess what? Season's over.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's talk about. We saw Andrew Luck giving a sideline interview during a game and he had to step away because there was a pick six.

[Con Man]

Ball, ball, ball.

[Pat McAfee]

JD Go, JD and then he comes back. I just love. I'm so happy for those guys. How do you feel about the Herbert situation with Laura? Obviously, we're all fans of Laura Rutledge. We appreciate the coverage. We understand that doing TV involves A lot of moments of asking for people's time in which they don't necessarily want to give it, it is kind of a part of the gig. On the opposite end of it, especially for the quarterback from the winning team. How do you feel about that whole interaction and how do you feel about, like where we are right now between media and players? I think this is the first time that we've seen any kind of, of situation at all. I, I mean, players being very open right before games, immediately right after half, like, it feels like there's been more access, more transparency, more combos, which is what everybody wants. This feels like the first one in a long time. What are your thoughts on it?

[JJ Watt]

I, I, I agree with you. There is significantly more than ever has been, obviously with the pregame hits and the in the pads interviews and all these things. I think a lot of times, I think there are more times that that may happen that you may not see just because generally you don't throw down to that interview until it's secured and ready to roll. But I do think that when you're the face of a franchise, you're getting paid an unbelievable amount of money. There is that expectation of that now. Can it be handled a lot differently in situations where the PR team, there's generally a, a way that things go after the game where you know how that's going to go. So it is, it is unfortunate just kind of how it all went down and how it looks. I think I, I asked, I asked Evan Washburn, our sideline reporter, who I think does a fantastic job, his take. And it was, we, we, we just talked through it all. And I, I think I understand both sides of the situation here, but I do think at the end of the day, like, you have to, we're, this is an entertainment business. We make so much money because we are an entertainment. And like, you do the interview, I do think he ended up doing the interview.

[Pat McAfee]

We don't want to be like people that are out of touch with being players. And me saying that with you two on the screen saying I'm a player is absurd. But like, I never want to say something in here that players in the locker room will say, this dude forgets what it was like, this guy, you know, because that's like the worst thing that can be said about somebody, I think that gets on tv. But I think even everybody kind of understands, like, starting quarterback, face of the franchise. And you say, like, I forget the way you scratch, but it's almost like a responsibility. Like, I think it's like a game day responsibility now at this stage of it all. I don't know if it's like actually written into the contract. So I didn't necessarily love the optics of it, but I also didn't appreciate that Herbert probably in a lot of pain for sure. Played not great even whenever they win. He didn't even smile one time. Like, I think he was pretty miserable that entire time. So it's like, do we judge Justin Herbert completely off of. Of one situation? I don't think so because a lot of people calling him like bad. It's like I don't think. I don't think Herbert has proven to be that guy at all. His teammates say they love him and everything like that, but I do think that situation wasn't good for Herbert. Yeah, I don't think it was.

[AJ Hawk]

But it was a win though, isn't in a different tie. Sorry. Isn't it different where. If it's a loss and you duck the media. I think that's one thing where that's a responsibility. If you lose and you're the face of a franchise, I think you should at least have to. You should speak to him. But after a win, I feel like it's a little different. Justin Herbert just. But I mean he's not about.

[JJ Watt]

He's not about on field after a loss.

[Con Man]

They wouldn't.

[AJ Hawk]

But I'm saying when guys duck him from the locker room and they leave early, I think that's a responsibility that, hey, I can face it in a bad. A bad game, a loss that we, you know, it sucks talking to me after that.

[Darius J. Butler]

So I.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe because I fall asleep. So I apologize and I catch it the day after and I don't stick around for afterwards much. That's on me. Hand up. Who normally gets interviewed on the field after games, Coach winning. Coach winning like mvp. Right. And that kind of. Normally the thing, especially primetime games and not one o' clock games is not happening, but primetime games like Thursday night, there's like three people that kind of go up afterwards and it's kind of like just assume that it's happening for Monday Night Football. Is it just assumed after the game that this is happening?

[Ty Schmidt]

Like Laura very much absolutely assumed.

[Pat McAfee]

Laura was told. Yes, he is definitely doing this right. By multiple people we would assume right as we watch this whole thing. James, you're in it a little bit more than me.

[JJ Watt]

That's where the assumptions can get like. Like, like in a normal. Yeah. In a. The way things ideally go, the PR person for the team grabs the Player and says, ushers them over and says, hey, we've got the Monday Night Football post game interview here. Puts them with the reporter. You say, hey. They say, hey. And then they get the camera sent down to you guys and you're good to go. That's generally how these things go, that assumption. I mean, we didn't see all that in this situation. So I don't know. And it is different if you're just being tapped on the shoulder by somebody. Like in a post game, you're looking for your teammates, you're celebrating from your teammates. Like, I will have his back on that. Like, there are a thousand people on the field. There are photographers, there are camera guys, there are security people, there are people from the other team. So people tapping in on the shoulder. You never know. It's not like he turned around and immediately was like, oh, this is the Monday Night Football post game interview. Which is why I have to put that caveat, because generally it's your team's PR person.

[Pat McAfee]

That's kind of your point, Todd.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, I kind of thought that he didn't immediately know it was Laura Rutledge, and he thought it was just maybe someone saying, like, hey, we. Can we get. You know, can we talk to you real quick? Because like you said, he did end up doing the interview. And I think the other thing too is, like, not that he's always like this surly prick, but we've seen the way he is with the media kind of doing the koi, like flipping cameras. Like, he doesn't like dealing with the media. He doesn't like doing that, you know, and he ended up doing it. And I. I also didn't know because it seemed like maybe they have been doing this on Monday night, but it seemed like they almost panicked in response to that because then Lisa Salter had had an interview with Tony Jefferson, like, immediately after. It was almost like, hey, that didn't exactly go how we want want it to. Like, let's go throw it to this other one and maybe kind of reset here.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, I mean, it was a bad look, but it is a part of responsibility, I think. Look, we don't know what he was dealing with, what was in his system as far as to even get to that point to play in the game. Like, it was a lot of shit going on. In addition to him not loving doing the media as well. Defensive play to win the game. Unbelievable player. You're probably trying to get down there and celebrate with your teammates, just with a lot going on. Last thing I can remember When a coach and our player was Ben Johnson earlier, you know, was that halftime?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. With the Dee Dee.

[Darius J. Butler]

With the Dee Dee. So, I mean, it's a lot. We all know it's a lot of shit going on while you're in between those lines as soon as the game ends. That's why they give you that cool down period, you know, in the locker room and stuff like that. So bad look. But, you know, everyone will move on from it, hopefully forget about it, as they should.

[Pat McAfee]

And Laura's a dog.

[Ty Schmidt]

She handled it great.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. She's the. Not going to work.

[JJ Watt]

And we should say, like, dude, the guy had surgery on Monday. Like, that is unreal. Like, I. I've played with the broken hand before and I know how he was putting it out there. Like it was fully normal. Like stiff farming, people taking hits, put it on the ground. Like that was. That was impressive. Dude, the whole game you're watching, you're like, hang on, this guy definitely has a broken hand, right? Because he is not acting like he has a broken hand.

[Pat McAfee]

He was putting it in the. In between helmets. Like. Like what? That is the exact spot. But you don't want your hand to be. Is anywhere near a helmet. And there's multiple times where he had his hand on top of a helmet with another helmet potentially coming. And I'm sitting at home like, no, no, that's. And then he, like slips out at the end or he falls. You could tell by the end, though, it started to hurt, whatever it was.

[Darius J. Butler]

He threw those handoffs with his. With his right hand.

[Pat McAfee]

And then he started. He started taking the bump. He started taking the. The right shoulder bump as opposed to being anywhere on his left hand. It's like he was. Was obviously going through a lot of pain, but we have to remember, yeah, we can all get along. Yeah, we can all go along out here. And I would like to know more about Herbert. I would, but I don't think we ever will. No, he hates that. I mean, good for him.

[AJ Hawk]

Good for him.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And his teammates love it. So, like, good for Laura.

[JJ Watt]

She stuck with it and got the interview. Like, some people might have turned away and be like, well, he's not going to do it.

[Vince Wilfork]

She.

[JJ Watt]

She persisted and got the interview.

[Ty Schmidt]

And to his credit, he wasn't like a super. He wasn't a prick. He wasn't being super short. Like, he answered her question sufficiently. Where when you first saw it, it's like, oh, he's gonna give her one word answers and then get the hell out of here. And he didn't do that either.

[Pat McAfee]

What do we think? We think most likely outcome. Herbert did not know that was Laura Rutledge immediately afterwards.

[Ty Schmidt]

That's the way I took it when I first saw it.

[Pat McAfee]

He looks down. Yeah, I'm gonna go, can I? And then all of a sudden, it's.

[JJ Watt]

Like, I think he's just that guy that always is like, I'm going with my guys. I'm going, I'm gonna be with my guys. And he's like, he doesn't care. He doesn't. Like, he doesn't think of what it's supposed to be or what he's supposed to do. He's like, I'm celebrating with my guys after throwing.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He is not acting like a movie character of an NFL quarterback. No. Justin Herbert does not do that at all. That is not how he operates. There's some guys that we see like.

[JJ Watt]

Although he looks like it, he certainly looks like it.

[Pat McAfee]

Handsome. The hair, the whole thing. So good. He was running this way in one of these back cross.

[JJ Watt]

There were times where his hand looked like Chubb's hand from Happy Gilmore because it wouldn't move, like, while he was running. So it was like just staying straight.

[Pat McAfee]

Get that thing in the way, maybe. All right, let's talk about some other games that are taking place. Go ahead, Con man.

[Con Man]

Yeah. Jade, you're on Bills at Patriots this weekend. Thank God, because I couldn't take any of the other crews from cbs. I'm very excited to listen to you.

[Pat McAfee]

That was unbelievable. There's no reason for that, Jade.

[Con Man]

I'm also very excited for the other crews to get their game. CBS has a great slate, but I'm just glad that I get to listen to you and Eagle. What do you expect? This is the first division clinching game, I think, of the season for any division. Bills versus Patriots. If the Patriots, when they get the division, if the Bills win, they are still in it. I think everybody kind of expects them to be in it no matter what. With Josh Allen, especially with what he's doing. How do you see this game going? And do you actually know what the weather is? Are we going to get a sloppy snow game or what should we expect?

[JJ Watt]

I've learned that I know nothing about weather. Even if I study the weather, I have no idea. Looking forward to whatever it brings. Sloppy is fun. We got some sloppiness down there. Colts, Jacksonville this weekend. But this is going to be obviously a great game. I mean, the last one was a fantastic game earlier this year, and we have two bonafide MVP candidates going at it in division where the Bills, I believe it is, they have not been swept by division opponents since 2019, when it was the Patriots that did it then. So this is. This is going to be a great game. Obviously, Josh Allen is Superman, and when he goes into Superman mode and he makes those plays, it is extremely hard to stop him now. Now, the Patriots, on the other hand, I'm checking my notes because I literally just did this study about 10 minutes ago. New England has allowed the fewest plays of 25 yards or more in the entire NFL. They've only lost 14 of them. And you think of Josh Allen throwing. You think of Josh Allen running and scrambling. That's where he is at his best. And also that run game is insane with Cook. So I think it's going to be an awesome game. Vrabel has the Patriots playing extremely well. Drake May is playing at an unbelievably high level. This is going to be a phenomenal matchup at home for the Patriots with a hat and T shirt on the line, even though I know Vrabel doesn't care about hats and T shirts, but this is going to be a good matchup. Very excited. We're on the call.

[Pat McAfee]

Good for Variable. Have you done the production meetings and all those things?

[JJ Watt]

Not yet. They're Friday. Connor, what questions you got? You got anything you want to ask of Rabel or Drake May?

[Con Man]

No, I asked nothing for my supreme commander and my quarterback on my team. But I would just like to know what does it feel like when you save an entire region of a country? You know, like he legitimately has injected life, both of them, into, you know, New England. So I just. The feelings and emotions you get when, you know, you saved millions and millions of people. I'd like to.

[Pat McAfee]

So up there in the revolution region, we got Paul Revere, obviously.

[Con Man]

Yeah. And Paul. You know, I don't know if you go all the way back to Paul. I think you could go back to, you know, maybe even one of the Wampanoag chiefs that kind of started the natives back there. But I think you could go to Paul as suppose George Washington.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sam Adams.

[Con Man]

Sam Adams, yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Either Bill Russell.

[Con Man]

Yeah, Bill Russell. There you go.

[Pat McAfee]

Larry Bird.

[Con Man]

Yeah, you go. You go Larry. You go Bill. You go. Bobby Orr. I mean, those are kind of the guys you go. You could even kind of dip to Donnie Wahlberg just because that's a big deal. He's the first wall.

[Pat McAfee]

And Mark.

[Con Man]

Yeah. Damon and Affleck, they. They're definitely up there with Duos. But as far as, like, truly bringing the city back.

[Ty Schmidt]

Pedro.

[Con Man]

Pedro. Yeah, Dom.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, then we got to talk about.

I guess we got to go. Recent history.

[Con Man]

That's the thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Boston's got a lot of revolution. Region's got a lot up there, but.

[Con Man]

None that have kind of rejuvenated and brought a revival to a sport the way Drake May and Mike V have.

[Pat McAfee]

Now that I'm thinking about it, with the list we just rattled off. No way Paul Revere makes that list.

[Con Man]

Yeah, well, the thing about Paul Revere, at the end of the day, like, he's still got so much British in him. He's got so much English in him. You know, he is a Middlesex county, you know, tried and true, just like myself, but. But again, Paul Revere still, you know, it's kind of like a Columbus situation. Like, did Columbus see the land first or did the man up top see it? You know, and in this situation, I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, yeah, but he found a place. Then he. He was lost, and then he was found. And, boy, there's a lot that happened from then till now. But. Shout out to Coach Rabes and Drake May bringing the place back.

[Con Man]

Hell, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

They tossed the tee. They're tossing the tee in 20, 25.

[Con Man]

Yeah. The H and the C. But never will. I have questions for them. The coolest thing really is just like, wow, one year for Drake May to have no expectations, and now for the rest of his career, it will be, hey, better go. Better go win that division. Go to that super bowl, buddy. Good luck.

[Pat McAfee]

He's got Josh Allen over there.

[Con Man]

Yeah, exactly. It's going to be one of those, like, unbelievable division rivalries forever. And we, as a Patriots fan, you never had that.

[Pat McAfee]

And the Buffalo Bills thought they had it.

[Con Man]

Well, don't even get me started on the. The fickle Buffalo Bills fans. Yeah, maybe ask him that. Jj, what's it like to just take the hearts and souls out of a city that acts like they won something and never even made it to a Super Bowl? That'd be cool.

[Hammer Tone]

They still paying to shovel snow in their own stadium.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay.

[JJ Watt]

Did you see how quickly that they cleared the hash marks on that game? That was badass Western New York.

[Pat McAfee]

Special place. And have you seen the stadium? Have you seen it coming together, the new one?

[Con Man]

It looks good.

[Pat McAfee]

It looks very good. I think they have a table outside. I think they have, like, a giant.

[Con Man]

Metal table, like a.

[Pat McAfee]

One of the. Those Bison need to be.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

Don'T expect it to be that.

[Pat McAfee]

You learn, though, you know what I'm talking about now, don't you. We're all on the same page too. Yeah. This is what happens here. This is what happens when we get on.

[JJ Watt]

I mean, it's an educational program every week.

[Pat McAfee]

Nobody talks about it. Journalism, education, information, dookie and education every week. Well, we try to limit the doogie, but every once in a while you got to point that doogie out. And when I was all away and you smoking. That's a song's still going. I'm trying to run into the algos. If you could help. Jj, go ahead and do it. Just turn it.

[JJ Watt]

The algorithm. Oh, don't worry, I'm pumping the algorithm.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, just mute it. You know, just play it on something else. Just mute it so we can seed it in the algo for the rest of the songs to come in. You know, on that note, talking about being on the same page and dookie. AQ has a question about a dynasty.

[Hammer Tone]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

The Chiefs play the Chargers this week and with a loss, they're all but eliminated from the playoffs. Pretty much. Why are they so bad? And what is going on in Kansas City?

[JJ Watt]

Dude, first of all, that sweatshirt is just top notch.

[Vince Wilfork]

I pleaded about a couple weeks ago.

[JJ Watt]

I mean that that piece of merchant is just phenomenal.

[Con Man]

Still waiting on mine. Fanatics agree.

Sorry.

[JJ Watt]

I was mesmerized by the shirt.

[Pat McAfee]

Sorry. Connor used it as a chance to take a shot at fanatics.

[Con Man]

Three weeks.

[JJ Watt]

Yep.

[Con Man]

Everyone seems to get theirs in two days.

[Pat McAfee]

Games in three days. Games in three days. Sorry, J. Go ahead.

[JJ Watt]

I mean the Texans defense is unbelievable. I mean, obviously the Chiefs have had their issues this year, just in general, but. But the way that the Texans defense is playing and the way that their Matt Burke has them humming is just. It's incredible. I don't think anybody at all wants to see this Texans team. And I mean the fourth and one decision in this last game was obviously a very interesting one. You make it, you're a genius. You miss it, what happens happen. But even more so the next one, when they went for it on 4th and 4 on their own 41 with 531 left in all three timeouts, that was just another one where it's like the Texans offense just had not moved the ball literally at all in the second half and they gave him a short field two times in a row there. It was just interesting. And in the past, those are those downs where you're like the Chiefs without question, get this fourth and one here or they get this fourth and fourth year and they figure it out. And all these one score games this year, they just have not gotten those that they have traditionally gotten, for whatever reason it may be. And obviously they're missing a whole bunch of old linemen and everything. But just it does seem to be at the current moment that they don't have that magic that they once had.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's talk about the magic though, that the Houston Texans defense has. There's some stats from Hembo talking about the greatest Texans defenses in history. This year they're averaging 16 points per game given up all the other great defenses in Houston's history had one man wreaking absolute havoc all over the place. And whenever you look at these years, 2011, 2014, 2015, you can't help but think about Vince Woolfork we just talked about. You can't help but think about Brian Cushing. You can't help but think about literally that you had studs all over the place. Houston has sneakily. Reem Jackson, d', Amico, Larry Merciless. Sneakily. No, sneakily sneakily. D' Ameco has been known as like a great defensive organization. I think, like that is a very real statement that you can make. Draft Mario, Super Mario to get to Peyton, obviously draft jj. They spend a lot of money on defense. Always have this one. Potentially not only Texans historic, but like league wide historic. JJ and on that note, they have that defense. It's unbelievable. And if CJ can get going, which we all believe he can, the Texans can go on a run and maybe even win the AFC South. And then the Colts just signed a future first ballot hall of Famer. So the Colts can win the AFC south for sure. And then. And there's a team down there in Duvall that you just had eyes on. Go ahead, Debo. Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

What's your thoughts on it? Because a lot of people speaking to Dookie, a lot of people were calling Trevor Lawrence Dookie, but he's turned it around as of late, playing some of his best ball. BTJ as well. He's turned it around this season. What's your thoughts on specifically that offense and Trevor Lawrence going forward? Like, can they be a real, a real team to deal with down the stretch?

[JJ Watt]

Yeah, I don't think they get anywhere near the credit that they deserve. I think that just kind of probably because of the way their season has gone and that they didn't start out with a crazy hot record and then continue it, but they have found it as of late, first making some big changes at their bye week and then also having some tough conversations after that collapse they had in Houston where they gave up the big fourth quarter lead and lost that one. The thing that I've noticed by far about the Jacksonville Jaguars, now having called them twice this year, is that there are really no egos in that building when it comes to. Let's just figure out what it takes to win football games. We don't care if that means running the ball. We don't care if that means quarterback has a wristband, doesn't have a wristband. We don't care if that means that we drop the most beautiful plays of all time. If they don't work, we're not going to run them. We're going to run whatever is best for our offense, for our players, and that's how we're going to win. And they've done it. And then on the defensive side of the ball, Anthony Campanelli, the defensive coordinator, has done a phenomenal job, not only encouraging incredible tackling, they do not give up yards after contact. They tackle really well. And they also have coverage in these takeaways. They're taking the ball away at an unbelievable rate. The very first offensive play of the game for the Colts, they ran an RP where they thought they had the look they wanted. They got the linebacker to pull up, but what they didn't see was Devin Lloyd was purposefully dropping back into that window. They gave this, like, false little look and tricked Daniel Jones into an interception. So they're hitting on all cylinders and they only continue to get better. And Trevor Lawrence, this game played a phenomenal game. And I think that Brian Thomas Jr. And Jacoby Myers have only had two games together, but you're starting to see what that unlocks in this offset.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I understand what you're talking about down in Jacksonville being a good thing, and we're just talking about Houston obviously being a good thing. We got eyes now on Philip Rivers of practice.

[Con Man]

Here we go. Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Anthony Calhoun from Wish TV here at local Indianapolis. Not only is he just talking and, you know, joshing it up with Shane Steichen a couple days after his 44th birthday, but also play action. Drop looks good and. Yeah. Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think we're.

[Vince Wilfork]

Think we're.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Still got it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I think we're. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think we're a. Okay. Look at him. Hey, Josh, this what I'm thinking. I need you to go out and just be at like 7 yards instead of 6 yards. That'd be a little bit better. Riley Leonard, obviously getting back to practice with a knee over Tutoring Andy Richardson out there, obviously trying to gather some thoughts from Philip Rivers, which I love. Obviously that was a good sign from Anthony Richards early on this season. And Carly Arce obviously talking to Shane Steich and say, I like his form. You know, I like the way he operates. I like the way he has a leader. What are we thinking here? Carly's actually saying maybe we get this out quick because Seattle's going to be bringing a lot of pressure. Shane says that's a good call. We'll go ahead and work on that. So Philip Rivers, Ballin. Shout out to Anthony Calhoun. Shout out to Wish tv. Letting us get eyes on. Yeah, yeah. I mean every time I see that, literally you're giving an answer.

[Darius J. Butler]

So funny, Connor.

[Con Man]

What's so funny is Riley Leonard's standing right there. Go home, Phil. Go home. Okay, we got let Riley Leonard get a shot. All right, you guys got suited and booted right there. Take the jersey off, Phil. Take it off.

[JJ Watt]

I thought the same thing when I saw Riley Leonard there. I was like I thought Riley Leonard wasn't even going to be practicing, but Riley Leonard's out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Go home. Be a Paul.

[Darius J. Butler]

Dan O. Said it yesterday on TV too. Hey, Riley, what is your injury? You have to be 10. I'm not even reporting an injury. I get a shot to start with week 15, my rookie year. I'm good. I walked off. I'm good. Nothing so. But hey, it's something they don't. They know that we don't know. But I do love what I'm seeing from 17. Looks like the same guy.

[Pat McAfee]

Dan Orlovsky sent me a minute 30 video here while we've been live. I mean, who knows what that could be. I'm sure he wants to counter something that we've said.

[Con Man]

Sully, tape or Wazowski perhaps?

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe he did break down Wazowski. Did you get to watch that? Mazowski? Was that.

[JJ Watt]

I did not. I did not.

[Con Man]

It was sick.

[JJ Watt]

I mean I saw clips. I, I, I, I didn't. I saw the clip where it was the interception fumble and that the ball didn't move. I don't understand this. I, I, I do. Is it just the real game happening?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh yeah, yes, it's, it's 10 minutes behind, but it's obviously Smowski.

Yeah, seven minutes behind it. It was the middle of the game and I remembered it was on cuz they ran like a commercial or something and I was like, oh, I'm going to go check that out. The game was playing on ESP on ESPN in Monstropolis. No, the game was playing in real life.

[Con Man]

Oh.

[Pat McAfee]

And then I go over to this fun day one, and it's. It's in commercial, and I'm like, what is this game even on? Turns out they were like two commercials behind, I guess so. They were kind of having.

[Con Man]

At least.

[Pat McAfee]

They're kind of having to track it. They were having to track it all. And it was.

[JJ Watt]

How do they get to the. How did they. They decide who gets to be Sully and Mike?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, I think blue and green probably with the Chargers score the touchdown.

[Ty Schmidt]

Look at this route by Mike Wa.

[Con Man]

Call that a quarter?

[Pat McAfee]

Wazowski was on the Eagles. Right. And then Su was on the Chargers.

[Con Man]

Correct.

[Pat McAfee]

Green and blue. Yes.

[Con Man]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Green and blue. But I see.

[Darius J. Butler]

So.

[JJ Watt]

So Mike Wa. Catches the ball every play. It's never like a regular player.

[Pat McAfee]

No, he's hovering. He's supportive, too. He cheered on his teammates a couple times. Throws it every once in a while.

[Ty Schmidt]

You'll see him playing cornerback every.

[Pat McAfee]

On the edge.

[JJ Watt]

How about you set an edge?

[Con Man]

Oh, don't you see? You need to watch all the tape. Okay. Cuz was flying around the corner. He had a couple sacks as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Time.

[Darius J. Butler]

A new deal, too, Right after the game.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

Yeah. Five years, 580 million.

[AQ Shipley]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Who got that?

[Con Man]

So the Chargers. They. They finally ponied up, paid their guy all he got.

[Pat McAfee]

The guy that's dragging across the ground right there.

[Con Man]

Yeah. 350 guaranteed. Highest contract. I mean, one hand is for the game, so. So, yeah, I'd say it was worth it that happened.

[Pat McAfee]

A.J. or J.J. yeah.

[JJ Watt]

Now, we've had. We've had some. We've had some ridiculous segments on this show. We've talked in depth about the bathroom and the toilet.

[Con Man]

This is.

[JJ Watt]

This is nearing that territory.

[Pat McAfee]

What?

[Con Man]

Excuse me.

[Pat McAfee]

Are you talking about.

[AJ Hawk]

I don't think we're the target audience here. I don't think it's. It was made for us.

[Con Man]

I am.

[Pat McAfee]

Conor was certainly legit.

[Con Man]

Watched the whole thing.

[Vince Wilfork]

I watched.

[AJ Hawk]

I got kids that we switched to it.

[JJ Watt]

Were you. Were you on with. Just Justin Herbert was on or what? Like what?

[Con Man]

Gee, no, I wasn't yelling at any kids. I was just. I was just enjoying what they were putting on the TV for. Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

Oh, I mean, because he had a broken hand. I mean, whenever you're taking.

[Con Man]

Oh, no, I wasn't high.

[JJ Watt]

You never know.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, if you were that locked.

[JJ Watt]

Into Wazowski and Sully.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, I'll tell you what, though. You can see on those highlights, the boys could ball a little bit. I Don't think I expected him to be able to do that. Wazowski had like a saquon type 5 and also a Jalen Vibe. It was. It was an interesting win.

[JJ Watt]

Are they must have the best peripheral vision of all time because he couldn't see that ball. That ball was thrown to the back of his head.

[Pat McAfee]

He's a monster.

[Ty Schmidt]

He's got one big eye.

[Pat McAfee]

He's got sonar.

[Con Man]

Look at his silly timing player. Look at this.

[Darius J. Butler]

Silly.

[Pat McAfee]

You kidding me?

[AJ Hawk]

Just dragging his meat on the ground.

[Con Man]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He ran a 40 like he's. Yeah. So don't worry about it. JJ, what do you think about Wazowski's team, the Philadelphia Eagles?

[Darius J. Butler]

Good question.

[JJ Watt]

Obviously, at the moment, it is not looking great. I mean, I think Lane Johnson importance is extremely high. This was one of the craziest plays I've seen a lot this game. The game in general. May it may not have been the most ever, but it certainly felt like the most turnovers I have ever seen. It was just crazy. It felt like every single possession something wild was happening with. Which is a blast to watch as somebody who has no skin in the game and doesn't care who wins and loses. It was fun.

[Pat McAfee]

I'll tell you what, Connor. I didn't think this before, but after watching Wazowski and Sully, and then we cut right to this highlight. That's why I said, what's that? Because the other one looks so much cleaner.

[Con Man]

Well, I mean, that's the thing.

[Pat McAfee]

And realistic. You know, I felt like the other one was just so much nicer. Whenever you see this, felt like I'm there, you know, like, it feels like I'm in Sofi watching it. The other one, you know, the. The actual play, like, that's kind of lame now that I think about it. We need to start watching every game maybe 10 minutes behind in Monstrosity or wherever we were.

[Con Man]

Yeah, Monstropolis. And also it's like, oh, you wonder why there are so many turnovers. Like, I don't see Wazowski out there. I don't see Sully on the field in this version.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, because I can't detect him.

[Con Man]

Bingo. Yeah. It's like. Well, I mean, is that even, like Wazowski makes that catch? Yep. Every single time. So, I mean, I don't know, Jade.

[Pat McAfee]

You need to have a little bit more respect maybe for Sully and Wojowski. All right, J, we're getting the hell out of here because we have a heart out here in about two minutes. But we would like you to do is kind of give us a two minute breakdown of the MLS cup and what the World cup team, the United States of America is going to look like as we take on Paraguay, Australia and probably Turkey in the World cup as our soccer expert and owner. Thank you. Jason Paige, floor is yours.

[JJ Watt]

I mean, I have no idea why you think that I would know about the MLS cup or the World Cup. I have two teams in the Premier League and in La Liga that I am most deeply concerned about. Really, that I have followed along with the MLS Cup. No, I think it's great. Miami won, right? Messi.

Because of the Gump. I see it. Yes, we do. I see it because of Gump. First we have players going to afcon, which is the African championship, so that's always tough because you're losing some of your best players.

[Vince Wilfork]

But it is great.

[JJ Watt]

But I follow through Gump. Gump does a really good job with the soccer coverage, especially the MLS coverage. And clearly a big Inter Miami fan, correct?

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, yeah. He's a concave for pod host. Obviously we follow along to keep up with the soccer news. Every once in a while I'll do a Burnley or Espanol update if things are going good. You said you guys are still in the Premier League. That's.

[JJ Watt]

Espanol's in fifth. Espanol's in fifth. We got Gafe this weekend, Massive one. Burnley. We've been. We've been going through it a little bit at Burnley. It's been a rough stretch. We've got Fulham rough couple on the weekend, so we would really like.

[Pat McAfee]

We need a win. We need a win against fl.

[JJ Watt]

Yeah, yeah, we are. We're on the hunt for some points. Lights just turned off in my house. Not a great omen, but I think it's going to be a great, great game this weekend and Espanol is going to continue to roll.

I can take 15 more seconds here if you want. It's. It's a beautiful day outside. I'm looking forward to living life. And you know what, guys? Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. You love them all the time, every day. Have a great day. You might change somebody's life. Love you.

[Darius J. Butler]

Ah, pretty good.

[Pat McAfee]

Good remix, bro. Pretty good. Good remix.

All day, every day, all the time.

[Darius J. Butler]

Never know.

[JJ Watt]

I was. I. I wasn't prepared for it at all and I thought I was going to find it. As I started talking, as soon as I said the be friend, tell a friend, I was like, you're going down the right path. And then it just went back to the love. It. There's no love in there. There's no love. I don't know why.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe in your version there is, though. Maybe there is.

[Darius J. Butler]

Love conquers Son of a.

[Pat McAfee]

Making her own.

[JJ Watt]

Sometimes you want the brain to work and it doesn't work, and then it just grinds down gears.

[Pat McAfee]

Does this happen in the booth? Every once in a while you get this upset and Mr. Eagle has to go, J, it was a three word flub. We got more words to say.

[JJ Watt]

You ever? No. Like, this is actually a good question for you because you do a show every single day, which is.

[Vince Wilfork]

Is crazy.

[JJ Watt]

Some mornings you wake up and you're like, ooh, my brain is firing today. Like, you're ready to roll. You're hot. You're like, nope, no question. And then there's mornings you wake up, you're a little foggy. You might like, grab the coffee and instead of pouring coffee into it, you pour milk into it. You're like, dude, what am I here today? You ever catch one of those on a game day? Then you're like, hang on, I gotta reset my whole life before I go into this booth or I'm gonna talk some crazy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[JJ Watt]

How do you do it? Have you had those?

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[JJ Watt]

You're just on every day. That's unbelievable. This guy.

[Pat McAfee]

We just wake up and go, brother.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's say I do pour milk into the coffee mug. I'm telling myself immediately, I did that on purpose. Let's keep it rolling. Excited to see what comes out here later. Let's go ahead and go for it. And we're super scripted, you know, every day, so that helps too. So whenever you say. Like when you said you started with be a friend, tell a friend you're starting down a good path. That's every. I mean, that's every. That's every sentence. That's every sentence of every day. So. Yeah, we don't have. We don't have time to have fog, brother. We don't have time.

[JJ Watt]

No idea.

[Pat McAfee]

To have the fog out.

[JJ Watt]

Bruce yesterday cracked me up when you had the clip of Bruce is struggling over here. I was dying, laughing.

[Pat McAfee]

He.

[Con Man]

Me too.

[Pat McAfee]

Two times. Two times.

[Con Man]

We all were.

[Pat McAfee]

He's bent over over here.

[Con Man]

Hot bat.

[Pat McAfee]

There's not a lot of space. I mean, there's not a lot of space. It's like this much room over here and I just see his ass bent over in front of me hitting the microphone. Yeah, there's a lot of that.

[AQ Shipley]

There's a lot of.

[Pat McAfee]

He's living. He had gator Shoes on yesterday look good. Clean ass, gator shoes on yesterday. I mean, it was. But we were talking about something that was very real and just BA's ass just bouncing back and forth.

[Con Man]

It was like the top of the hour. You're starting off with something new. It might have been Phil Rivers or.

[Pat McAfee]

Something like that, but pretty big news. Then all of a sudden, I just see this whole. This legend's ass over here, and I'm like, all right, you good? All right. We keep rolling. And then all of a sudden, we dropped it again. Boom, boom. It goes down. And then he's got to do the whole process.

He's awesome.

[Con Man]

Oh, it was Utah. That's what it was. It was the Utah college thing.

[Pat McAfee]

Investment areas. Yeah. And we're back. Yep. You're doing great. Don't worry about it. Ba, He's. He is. He is one of one. I mean, BA is one of one football coach. It's great to get his brain on things. So are you, J. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Hey, you still golfing ever or. No.

[JJ Watt]

No, I. I do not get to golf. I. I thought I was going to golf so much in retirement. It has not happened.

[Con Man]

Happened.

[Pat McAfee]

So you hate that you don't golf anymore or would wish to golf or have you pushed it to a later time in life? Like I have come to the realization golf time is later in life.

[JJ Watt]

Yes, precisely. Pushed it to a later time in life. Two kids under three and a half years old and a job, just not the time to be golfing.

[Pat McAfee]

So how many dogs you got?

[Vince Wilfork]

That's it.

[JJ Watt]

I have two, and they do not listen to me.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, we experience that every week. Tex had a pretty good week this week, though. It sounds like tax.

[Darius J. Butler]

JJ killed all the squirrels.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, got them all.

[AQ Shipley]

We.

[JJ Watt]

We. We took care of the problem. They used some of AJ's techniques.

[Con Man]

Nice.

[AJ Hawk]

Would you boil them or something?

[Con Man]

What'd you do?

[Pat McAfee]

That's not my.

[AJ Hawk]

I'm saying he.

[Con Man]

He was like.

[AJ Hawk]

He was just took. Took them all down.

[Pat McAfee]

Look at aj. Look at.

[Con Man]

I didn't.

[JJ Watt]

He said, Sebastian Maniscalco technique of putting antifreeze on baloney and tossing it out in the backyard.

[Pat McAfee]

Jeez.

[Con Man]

So smart.

[Pat McAfee]

What are we doing?

[JJ Watt]

I didn't say it.

[Pat McAfee]

Everybody's quoting.

[AJ Hawk]

That's why I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do anything.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, J. We appreciate you, man.

[AJ Hawk]

I just thought about it.

[Con Man]

All right.

[Pat McAfee]

That's J.J. watt.

[Con Man]

Thanks, JJ.

[Pat McAfee]

H. You know when he says, I tried the AJ technique, and then you.

[AJ Hawk]

Go, yeah, I was Talking before I was. Was already talking before he threw me into the equation. So yeah, it's on me.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, so you're like the fun day thing. You're like 35 seconds behind the conversation. Cuz it sounds like you answered immediately after he said the word.

[AJ Hawk]

Well, did you see him light up? He's like. He started lighting up like, oh, this dude actually really was killing squirrels all over the place. And then he.

[Con Man]

I know that look.

[AJ Hawk]

I stepped on him. I stepped on him and then shut him down. He's like, ah, I can't. Can't go into it.

[Pat McAfee]

I do it.

[AQ Shipley]

That's what it felt like.

[Pat McAfee]

I do it all the time, brother. It's tough. It's tough. You got to look in the mirror once in a while. Say you that one up, brother. And just keep him. But on that note, I appreciate the fact that J. I appreciate that J says there's been a game day, I guess this year where he woke up and he did not feel smart at all. I do wonder what a psycho like JJ did in that moment. I'm. I'm assuming he found a cold tub. Yeah, I bet you there beat the out of himself.

[AJ Hawk]

Definitely banged his head off the wall many times.

[Pat McAfee]

You're not this stupid. Wake up, wake up, wake up. First year getting this opportunity, it puts you in a big boat.

That would be awesome. Just watch a JJ be like, no, no, no, no, it's your brain. How if my arm sore, I work it out. What do I do for my brain when it's not working? Yeah, he's been good though.

[Con Man]

I'm so pumped that he, yeah, actually.

[Pat McAfee]

He needs to keep doing what he's doing because he's clearly just living in the moment, you know, like, that's Tony Romo too. Like, Tony Romo very much lives in a. He's firing from the hip. Tony Romo's doing a lot of firing from the hip, hip. And I think sometimes he sounds like he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, but I think it's because he is firing from the hip. So I enjoy the kind of ride with Tony Romo. I've gone full circle with it. I loved it early then I was like, I can't do this. And then I'm like, actually I respect the fact that Tony Romo goes in there and just is living. Calling a football game. And I think J has been living in the moment as opposed to like trying to force things. And he's trying to enjoy it because I think he does enjoy the game as much. He's a, he's a good list because they're setting the tone, the vibe for the entire game. Those commentary. They're hanging.

[Vince Wilfork]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Fun. Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

When they have fun, it makes it much. It makes it fun to watch, I think.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we're watching the game with them, you know, like, hey, we're watching the game with you. So like you're in our living room. So however you kind of, you're controlling the vibes, which is why Tirico Toriko is like a vibe. Tirico's phenomenal. I think Al Michaels has always been considered a good vibe.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Need him tomorrow.

[Con Man]

Why? Yeah, sucks.

[Pat McAfee]

No, it's NFL. Remember, we'll be praying for games like this, times like this so we can watch like that as they play like ass. You know, like that.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not this one. Not this one.

[Pat McAfee]

Falcons.

[AQ Shipley]

Mike Evans.

[AJ Hawk]

We've had, we've had a lot worse.

[Ty Schmidt]

We have, but just the, the way these two teams have been playing. No thanks. No thanks.

[Con Man]

Titans, Browns would have been a gift on Thursday night.

[Pat McAfee]

Agree. What was the number on Thanksgiving? 22 million or something.

[Con Man]

5,757.

[Pat McAfee]

No, no, no. Oh, Amazon had like its highest last Thursday. 22 million. It was like the biggest standalone Thursday night game they've had. That wasn't a holiday. 22.8 million people. Now you can't compare that to the 57 million or whatever that like a network linear television has because obviously the pipelines that linear television has into every business, every house, every yada, yada yada, and linear television is still very much prominent, which is an interesting thing because I'm not going to get into it. I don't want to get into it. When I decided to license show linear, a lot of people thought I was stupid because linear is yesterday. It's like, well, how long is yesterday going to be today actually? Because we're living in it. So even if it is a 10 year, 20 year transition, that's still a long time of linear still dominating and still having massive amount of real estate. So like how long is linear still going to crush? Feels like for the foreseeable future. Now is it going to inevitably disappear? Yes, we all can see it. But when does that day completely come? We don't know. Especially with all these numbers that keep coming out for what some of these games are having. But 22.8 million people having to go to an app to watch a game, like the amount of power.

[AJ Hawk]

They had to go there. That's what it is. They had to go there.

[Con Man]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

The amount of power like that is an actual people mover. And then Amazon just sitting there with 22.8 million people on their platform at that exact time. It's like the amount of. They're already putting ads in. They're already fucking doing the shit. They're already doing the entire thing. It's like that is a huge case study that the NFL is going to use for Apple for fucking. You don't want 22.8 million people just to be on your app, for one thing. Like, wouldn't that be a massive success? Yes, that's what we're all looking for. We're trying to get events to drive people to our platform and then all our ancillary shit hopefully holds them on our platform. That's kind of the strategy. That's why you see these big events on all these streaming platforms. That's why you see Amazon, like, we got him on Thursday night. Let's keep them there. Oh, we're gonna do music afterwards. Remember, they were doing like a concert series. Titty boy was on her. I saw him, by the way, dapped up titty boy twice in a very short period of time. So it felt like it was maybe a 4 second one.

[Darius J. Butler]

No, that's normal.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Okay. But it was a quick interaction. He walked in. Holy titty boy. That's what I said. We're in a lot of very.

You know, the money in the room that we were in is pretty high. Me and Gumpy not really supposed to be in said room. You know, we're kind of. We don't even have a seat, actually. We're just kind of standing in between two buffet runs. But it was very nice to be where we are. Sushi roller right here. Kay had some great fried chicken and popcorn over here. Had a little bit more. I mean, it was a phenomenal setup. No seats. Everybody was in there already. We got in there late. So we're just kind of eating off awkwardly in front of everybody, talking to people that are doing our thing. Just order a Jack and die. Thank you for that. We're at the Atlanta Hawks game and in this store, say about 100 people in here. 70 people in here in this door. Holy titty boy. Me and Gumpy both hit each other like this. Titty boy's here. He gets within earshot and I make sure he knows that I know that he's there. Holy Titty boy's here. And he goes, pat. And I go, hold. Holy Titty boy knows who I am. Then he walks over. Quick dap Up. He has some meetings or whatever. I said, I want to let you know, man, I'm different. Got me through, like, about two years of good times. So I won't let you know. I appreciate your brain. And he said he watches the program. We need to have Titty boy on this show.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

We need to have him on the show asap. Maybe through the NBA season.

[JJ Watt]

Oh, yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

You hope, too. Hooper.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, former.

[AJ Hawk]

He's still doing that. Most expensive. You ever see that show he did. It was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he's smoking like, gold weed while he was doing it. That was crazy. That was crazy what was going on. But yes, we need him because I think he own. I don't want to give away business. I think he's part of the NBA. I think he.

[Ty Schmidt]

When we went to that Hawks game for whatever Thursday night football game you were doing there, they. All their merch he designed or, like, was a big part of, like, the Peach street stuff that they were selling. Like, it was, you know, like, it was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. I don't know how I got to seeing two change right there, there. But, boy, Titty boy, you need to know we appreciate you around here, buddy. Oh, yeah.

[Con Man]

Hell, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Saw a lot of stars at that game. Saw a lot of stars at that game. When two chains walked in there. He had 10 of them on, by the way, wasn't it? Was it 10 chains? I think he had on?

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

At least seven or eight. Had the sickest supreme, like, fur kind of code. It was unbelievable. Yeah, Hair looks so cool coming out the back. Had a little sunglasses on. I mean, he looked awesome. Ben Shelton, tennis player.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Big. Some.

[Pat McAfee]

With Trinity.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So I met them. He is big.

[Ty Schmidt]

Stood up like six, seven, isn't he?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So somebody from the Hawks, because we know. I think he's like six, four.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, six, four, six.

[Darius J. Butler]

The lefty, right?

[Pat McAfee]

Yes. Dog.

[Ty Schmidt]

23 years old, thinking of John Isner.

[Pat McAfee]

So he walks in, somebody with the Hawks. It might have been Mr. Kunin. Mr. Kunin. Steve Kunin, one of the owners of the Hawks. We know him. He's the one that invited us into this room. He comes up behind me and he goes, do you like tennis? You do? Now Ben Shelton's walking up here. And I actually knew who that was because he's young kid. Right. And I immediately thought to myself, oh, I think he's in, like, a relationship. And I turn around, Ben, Trinity, Rodman right there. Like, within two feet, I go. I stand up. I'm like, what's up, dude? Trinity, how you doing? Very nice to see you. Obviously, I hope my daughter ends up playing on the U.S. nashville team. You are so awesome. So cool. I like the way you guys kind of shot your shot at each other and you guys find love in a hopeless place. And I checked Ben real quick. I'm like, how you doing, man? He's got great. Knows the program. So I immediately go into talk. Which. Which sport would I do best against you? Ping pong. Is ping pong the one that I could get you? He's like, I'm. I'm pretty good at ping pong.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'd assume.

[Darius J. Butler]

Got to say, probably nothing.

[AJ Hawk]

Don't do any.

[Ty Schmidt]

No, no racket games.

[Pat McAfee]

I told him, I want 18. I want 18, though. Like, if we're playing 21, I want 18 points.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh.

[Pat McAfee]

And he said, what? So I'm going to do 10 field goals and you're going to give me six of them and I have to make seven. And I'm like.

Interesting. Then you look at how athletic he is. I started watching highlights of this motherfucker. He could kick a field goal. He could play soccer. This guy is unbelievable. And he is big and he is a dog. Immediate talk to me. Soon as he started talking to me, I'm like, yes, Love this guy. And also Trinity talk as well. I'm like, yes, I love what the next generation of athletes is like. And yeah, he's a beast. I think we got one. I think we got one in Ben for the future. And Trinity as well. I. I think we got. It was cool to meet him. That place was loaded with people is what I'm saying. And what's that? What do you. Oh, no, nothing. What do you. What do you. There, face?

[Ty Schmidt]

You certainly got one.

[Con Man]

But just the high. Just the highlight we chose there. But yeah, no, I. I love shelling. I'm. I'm a big fan.

[Pat McAfee]

Was it not a good highlight?

[Ty Schmidt]

No, it was just him playing Yannick Sinner.

[Pat McAfee]

Who?

[Ty Schmidt]

Him and Alcaraz are kind of, you know, like, Ben Shelton's unbelievable.

[Jake Paul]

But those guys are.

[Pat McAfee]

Are no Ben showing on his way.

[Ty Schmidt]

I agree.

[Con Man]

Both younger.

[Ty Schmidt]

If we have any Americans who are going to win a Grand Slam, he is. He is it. But those guys are really good.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And Ben's working his ass off.

[Ty Schmidt]

I know he is. I know he is. I want to see it.

[Pat McAfee]

And I saw him throw. They were throwing tennis balls, right? Was it tennis balls? Gump. Do you remember? I think that because it was him. There was like five tennis players that came out. Five big names. Yeah. They were just Chucking Was it tennis balls or shirts into the crowd? Naomi, 10 of them. They brought out Osaka. She was. Once she came out, Ben Shelton came out. Who's some others?

[Ty Schmidt]

Jack Sock.

[Con Man]

No, no.

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

No, maybe it is Nick. Yeah, yeah, him.

Nick was there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Really?

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, okay.

[Pat McAfee]

He was there.

[AJ Hawk]

Was there a big event in town?

[Pat McAfee]

Obviously, I don't know. It felt. I don't know if it was tennis night and then it was also black fraternity and sorority night. Halftime. There was a full step show that took place.

[JJ Watt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I would like to say I think the Q's one. They had the most energy and they were certainly the loudest. And the cues in the crowd. We were sitting right next to a group, definitely the most pumped whenever they hit the. What's this? This is the guy.

[Con Man]

That guy on the.

[Darius J. Butler]

That is Nick right here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. So that was the group. That was the group that was there. Ben Shelton's on a far left.

[AJ Hawk]

How tall is Saba?

[Pat McAfee]

She's tall.

[Con Man]

I think she's six feet.

[Vince Wilfork]

Yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

Jeez.

[Pat McAfee]

But I'm saying it was a who's who there and that's kind of how the Hawks operate. It's like our team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our team's going to be good. Where you sit? Well, you can sit in this hangout area. You can sit in this hangout area. We got a buffet over here. We got a hangout area over here. I think they can get 17,000 in there. But it's a lot of open spaces and it's always like a who's who of people just coming. Anybody that's in town just comes through games. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Hawks thank you to Hawks for hospitality.

[Darius J. Butler]

Hell yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Food is pretty good too. Sushi roller right there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Not bad.

[Pat McAfee]

I gave it Domato. It was great.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, that was Mercedes Benz.

[Con Man]

Same though. Same. Same companies? Yeah, same companies at Bull plus great.

[Pat McAfee]

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[JJ Watt]

Give it a [e-mail] switch.

[Pat McAfee]

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[Con Man]

Busy.

[Pat McAfee]

Taxes and fees extra. See mintmobile.com the NBA is happening Christmas Day.

Five games, one unforgettable lineup.

[Darius J. Butler]

That's what Christmas is all about.

[Pat McAfee]

Buckets for breakfast, Breakaways for dessert.

[Darius J. Butler]

It's the holiday tradition. Christmas is our day with star power.

[Pat McAfee]

From across the globe. The stars, they are going to be out the best gift. You don't even have to unwrap it.

[Darius J. Butler]

We want to say Merry Christmas and.

[Pat McAfee]

Happy New Year NBA. Christmas day begins at noon eastern on ABC and ESPN.

[Con Man]

Football.

[Pat McAfee]

He's the greatest. That's AJ Hawk. The talks tables here at Boston, Conor and at Tait, nine year NFL vet, host of everything db, good D, bad D, which we will see in a matter of moments. Darius J. Butler is here. Congratulations on a U bot.

[Darius J. Butler]

Thank you. Man, it's beautiful sitting here.

[Pat McAfee]

Stogies right there.

[Con Man]

Look beautiful.

[Vince Wilfork]

Sitting man.

[AJ Hawk]

Team Bone and butts just dominating or what?

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, they're putting bones in butts, man.

[Pat McAfee]

Bone in butts. Bone in butts.

[AJ Hawk]

You should make T shirts, guys.

[Darius J. Butler]

Don't make me say guys. I don't want to do that. I don't want to get us canceled. Let me stop saying that name.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, well, D block is the name of the team now. Okay? He put that right there at the end. D block, but try to get in front of it. Yeah, the former team Bone and Butts is their original name. They lost the first game out the gates here to me and Foxy. There were certainly some situations that arose in between the next game where I was potentially asking, looking for maybe an exhibition game as opposed to a contender game. Because me and Foxy for the last three months haven't been able to really practice or work on anything. Every single game has been a thing against every person that's played this game for the last three months, every single day, fighting chairs. So I just wanted to work. We didn't have as many teams around. People got out of here whenever we started playing. So there was only a certain amount of people there that actually play U ball. So I didn't want to just. All right, we're just going to give you another opportunity. Another opportunity, like, hey, this is a good time. Maybe work on some stuff. You know, this is for us to maybe change up our game. Change up my shot maybe, which I'm in the middle of a swing change, you know, that type of stuff. And U ball said. Or DBOT said, that's not you. Ball puts his hoodie on, jacket acts like he's gonna leave. He goes, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. That's not what U ball is. That's not exhibition. I thought you were fighting champs or whatever. It's like we fought for Three months, every single person, multiple times. Just trying to do a little something, maybe get better at the game, you know. Cause I do enjoy the game but you know, we're kind of pigeonholed into being the champs all the time. We don't get to have as much fun as everybody else, you know.

[Darius J. Butler]

Boo hoo.

[Con Man]

Yeah, losing is much more fun.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, at least you can experiment stuff because if you get your ass beat one way, you can try something else. For us, I don't even think we're anywhere near our peak. I think we haven't even got a chance to really practice. So I just wanted one of those in bone and butts. Classic. Just say, nope, not doing that. And I want to play. I want to get a little exercise in. So we allowed to happened. Had something in my eye. Had something in my right.

[Darius J. Butler]

What does it sound like to you, aj?

[JJ Watt]

That's tough.

[AJ Hawk]

That's tough.

[Pat McAfee]

I said all these things before the game though. I would like it to be. No, no, no. I was mid game, mid championship game. Cuz Bo came out hot.

[AJ Hawk]

He pulled up a hammy after getting beat deep.

[Darius J. Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

My right eye. Exactly.

[AJ Hawk]

I understand. Yeah, you can't see, you can't play, man.

[Vince Wilfork]

It's tough.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm watching stereo here, you know, I mean, what am I?

[Darius J. Butler]

I've seen Foxy play through it. They pulled cash. I see. Look, worthy champions. I've seen you guys battle, seen you guys make walk off shots. Great defense. You posted defensive highlight the day before we won.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we're great on defense. You guys were as well. You guys had some great defensive stops and some great points. You got to win on both sides of the.

[AJ Hawk]

So Bone's getting in the air now. Bone actually is getting off the ground.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yes, yes, he is.

[Pat McAfee]

There's rumors going around the U ball universe that New York has not reviewed the footage of the championship game yet. So still to be determined.

[Darius J. Butler]

No, that's not real.

[Pat McAfee]

Foxy's the only one who talks to New York.

[Darius J. Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

New York is his phone. So I mean, Foxy's certainly the one that would know we've got to take.

[Darius J. Butler]

In New York a little bit out of there. A little more. Hands off. I like that.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I mean it's good if it goes mostly because of effort. So what happens a lot is D but makes not a lot. I don't want to bury Bone because Bone has been playing great U ball and he's a champion. Yeah, I don't want to bury him too much. He's gotten better. Weird shooting thing. He started I mean, just his trailblazer, he has gotten very good. But D butt, you know, on the defensive end makes like some insane play, you know. And then he tossed it to bone. And Bone forgets that he's supposed to be in the air when he catches it. He catches it and he's like, oh, I'm supposed to be up. And then he goes up and dunks it. And it's like us, me and Fox were like, that's a great play by D butt. Like, that's an incredible play. So in U ball theory, good if it goes because that was maximum effort. But the guy that actually put the ball in is 10 toes down every time he touches the ball. So, you know, it's a gentleman's game. Good if it goes. Yeah, gentleman's game. And some of mine.

I wanted to win with dignity, but it was tough. After reviewing some of the footage from that particular game and I would like to let you know, you guys were good team.

[Darius J. Butler]

I'm proud of Bomb. He took control at the end after he won the first round. Cause usually you guys like to start, start shooting and we end up being, you know, the bottom of the ninth. But he was like, no, no, no. So I'm like, hey, no, no debug. We had to have a, had to have a little pow wow. And then he came out with 2 for 3 first round. So hey, all right.

[Pat McAfee]

They really did. So d buck goes 2, 2 or 3 I think in the last inning against us to beat us hits a walk off game winner. Okay, so he hits two out of his three shots from the opposite free throw line. Debone, I think hit one of them. So they had a huge final inning to beat us. It was like, big comeback, boom, go ahead and win. And then now it's a championship game and you can either start on defense or offense. And we always start on offense shooting because air balls are minus points. But if you're not on defense, you haven't accrued any points yet. So you're not really affecting yourself. It's strategy, it's smart strategy of the game. We have found we've been in champs for three months. This is how we play. So like we have found this to be our strategy. Anytime somebody has got to a championship game against us, they have just basically allowed us to continue to play with our strategy. Like, yeah, we're going underneath, we're going to shoot last because they think they're going to make a lot more shots than they are going to make tips. Defense is where you get all your Points tips are just. The shots are kind of like a bonus. So D Bone and D Butt. Whenever they win, D Butt's like, yep, we're going down. Defense, we're going to do exactly what Foxy and Pat have done for this entire run. And I will say, I did not expect that out of Debone. Debone said Debut. I'm not. We're not getting into this. We're shooting first. And it was crazy to see. It was. It was actually crazy to see Bone.

[Con Man]

Do that Padawan, a Jedi.

[Pat McAfee]

And then, hey, then he steps up. First one splash D butt fresh off of going 2 for 3 the last inning. Splash Bone. Splash D Butt miss. I think Bone miss Debut make. All of a sudden we're down 8:1 or something. Yeah, it was tough and it was championship game. And it's like, holy, we're about to actually potentially lose this. We are making. Going to look. This is the first time we've ever really felt that way. And it was admirable what you guys did.

[Con Man]

So, new teams or are we are. I mean, we can just keep doing this and.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we got to figure it out. I don't know what my U ball future looks like. Whoa. I spent a lot of time doing this when I couldn't do anything else. You know, winners stay on court. Can somebody else play? No, winners got to stay on the court. I would like to go right over there, though, for about 10 minutes, maybe sit down for a second. No. God. Play fucking. Somebody else wants the title.

[Con Man]

Sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

All right.

[Darius J. Butler]

Who held the title long? Who's it, otc or is it somebody else?

[Pat McAfee]

Bruno Sammartino.

[Darius J. Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

Held the world title for like seven years or something like that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Okay.

[Pat McAfee]

I think. But the otc, Bob Backlin not too far behind either.

[Con Man]

Eugene had a couple good. A couple good run.

[Pat McAfee]

I don't think we're talking world championships there with Eugene.

[Con Man]

Eugene got one. Oh, we double check with the miss. Eugene got one world title.

[Pat McAfee]

Just check with Gilbert, too, just to.

[Con Man]

See N. Gilbert, unfortunately didn't get one, but Eugene did.

[Pat McAfee]

Remember, we had Gilbert on the rv.

[Ty Schmidt]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

This show is.

[Ty Schmidt]

How could you forget?

[Pat McAfee]

You people that are watching our show right now, thank you so much. You have no idea how terrible this thing has been since jump. Since the jump of this show. I mean, we had done. We've done some horrendous stuff, things that we thought were going to be good ideas and then just end up not being fantastic. Like the back of a box truck we're gonna take down to Louisiana with no air conditioning and Do a show live from that. Yeah, that was a nightmare. 135 degrees in back of that box truck. Go for it. All the tech shutting down immediately because it's too hot, turns out. So let's go pick up some fans from CVS to see if that'll help. That was a good idea.

[Ty Schmidt]

On the flip side, it didn't really have the heat. Wasn't great. So we did one in Pittsburgh, and it was like minus five in there.

[Vince Wilfork]

There.

[Pat McAfee]

Tech was breaking there.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, that was tough.

[Pat McAfee]

I thought we really changed the game, though. Back of a box truck with a studio. Just drive.

[Ty Schmidt]

It was cool.

[Pat McAfee]

Plug it in. It had a plug on the outside. Just plug it into a thing, and then we have full studio inside the back of a box truck. I really felt good about it. It worked for us.

[Darius J. Butler]

Brilliant.

[Ty Schmidt]

It did work.

[JJ Watt]

It was awesome.

[Pat McAfee]

It worked for us for a while, but there were some drawbacks.

[Ty Schmidt]

Certainly very stressful for certain aspects of it, but. No, it did. It did.

[AQ Shipley]

It did.

[Con Man]

Absolutely.

[Pat McAfee]

What do you mean, stress? Are you talking about, like, in the back room there?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Like, that was still when we were, you know, putting the podcast up, and there was a lot of editing involved with it, and it just, like, never worked ever, like. Or something always went wrong.

[Pat McAfee]

And how about the phone, though? That was easy to operate.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Yeah, the phone was certainly easy to operate. You know, when you're trying to kind of ride the levels, and then you got, like, 800 people calling in, you try. You try to put them through, and for whatever reason, you know, that doesn't work. So you got to go back and, you know, dick around with a bunch of stuff. And the. The space back there was very tight. Me, foxy, and Z were kind of sitting on each other's laps back there as well.

[Pat McAfee]

But box truck only could be so big is the lane.

[Ty Schmidt]

Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

You know, lane of a road.

[Ty Schmidt]

You forget that.

[Pat McAfee]

That's really. All you got, is the width of a lane is all you have. Yeah. We've taken a winding road to get to this point. We're very thankful for everybody that has allowed us to do this for a living for so long. We assume you all stop watching when you do that. We will stop doing this. Right.

And whenever you guys do that and choose to do that, we would like to let you know. We understand. Right? Yeah, certainly.

[AJ Hawk]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

You aq. You're only here once a week.

[AQ Shipley]

What do you mean?

[Pat McAfee]

What do you say?

[AQ Shipley]

Why would anyone stop watching?

[Pat McAfee]

No, they will. You know, they will.

[AQ Shipley]

Why would anyone stop watching?

[Pat McAfee]

I would if I was them, but we appreciate the fact that they allow us to do this for a living and we will continue to try to provide things that maybe make the sports world better. Like for instance, the top five performing offensive lines every single week when we go in the trenches. AQ who are the top five zero lines of week 14 of the NFL season?

[AQ Shipley]

Let's start with number five, the Green Bay Packer.

Green Bay packers get a huge win against a division rival Chicago Bears. I love this play. We're going to leave two to the front side. The front side's the right side and man on the line of scrimmage is going to be the kick out from the goal yard. Tight end Wrap Wiley. Look at the block by Aaron Banks. Squeeze through there. Plus 10. This is who Green Bay is. By the way, Josh Jacobs isn't going to break it for 40, right Ty? He's not going to break it for 50 very often, but he's going to give you six, he's going to give you seven. By the end in the fourth quarter, he's going to give you 10 and before you know it, they got 100 yards rushing and they pass block their ass off.

[Pat McAfee]

Jordan was awesome too the other yesterday.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, that is kind of because like last year, it really was. They were only going to go as far as Josh Jacobs. Jacobs could take him and they still need him to be good, no question. But they are at their best when love can push it downfield and kind of be aggressive. And I mean we said like the. I think all three of the touchdowns that he threw on Sunday against the Bears were third Nader longer. So it's like that when the explosive plays get back like that's when they can really be at their best and.

[AQ Shipley]

Versus the blitz keep. Keep eating them up. He's going to keep lighting you up.

[Pat McAfee]

We like the Bears defense too. Right. This is a great performance against a great defense.

[Con Man]

Yeah, absolutely.

[AQ Shipley]

And Dennis Allen's been great as yes. D Butts knows. I mean he New Orleans, he's a legend down there. Great defensive coordinator but he lives and dies by the blitz and whenever you can pick it up. Jordan Love and the packers did a great job.

[Pat McAfee]

The Bears one year away, two years away.

[AQ Shipley]

Quarterback's got to get a lot better.

[Pat McAfee]

But that's what I'm saying. Like a. Like.

[Con Man]

But will he in that system?

[AQ Shipley]

He's got to take steps.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, you're saying you don't know if he will? I, I thought we all just assumed he will because of where.

[AQ Shipley]

I'm not assuming that at all. Is anyone else?

[Darius J. Butler]

I think, I assume he will.

[Pat McAfee]

I assume you will. Okay, you're assuming. You're not assuming.

[Con Man]

Assuming I'm not.

[Pat McAfee]

You're saying a lot of work is going to have to go into that.

[AQ Shipley]

100%. Yeah, he's going to have to get better.

[Con Man]

It is also tough because like Bo Nicks and Drake may both got exponentially.

[Pat McAfee]

Better this offseason and he had a brand new offense, brand new, everything happening. But on that note, Ben Johnson's offense we all just assume is like electrifyingly good.

[Con Man]

And a couple other guys did too.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, offense as a Packers fan too, like they are much better. But like the packers are still, still very young. Like the packers aren't going anywhere either. And like the Lions, like, I guess we'll see what happens. But like we're talking about the Lions being shite and they're 8 and 5 right now.

[Pat McAfee]

And you know who else we're talking about?

[Ty Schmidt]

9. Who. Coming off 163 yards and three touchdowns and no interceptions against maybe the worst team in the NFL on Sunday.

[Pat McAfee]

He wasn't asked to do anything else. Okay. He threw three touchdowns, hit 123.9. Super duper.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. Pass her out.

[AQ Shipley]

Rating.

[Pat McAfee]

The rating.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

The one that goes over 100.

[Ty Schmidt]

Right.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that one go to? Because I saw 130 the other day.

[Con Man]

158.3.

[Pat McAfee]

Holy, what a perfect number for a rating to go to. That's what we needed. We need more of that. We need 158.3 to be the top. It's like when I'm with Gumpy. Hey, what's the temperature outside? And he tells me, Canadian.

[Ty Schmidt]

Right? And then 22 Celsius.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Vince Wilfork]

What?

[Pat McAfee]

And then he. There is an equation close to -2 Celsius right now. Yeah. And then we go to chat. GPT. How do I do this? And they're like, well, actually subtract 22 from it and then you should be able to get to it. It's like, well, what if it's negative? Do I add it or. And it's like, well, that's not accurate. It hasn't been right at all. So I don't want to have to do all that. Okay, so just give me the 101. I don't need the 158.31 because my brain isn't good enough to know what's an A and what's a B and a C in that.

[Ty Schmidt]

They also do like, where a guy will go like 19 of 32. Let's say and throw a touchdown down and his quarterback rating will be. And they'll be like, it would have been higher if he would have just spiked the ball on every single play.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, when you go like 39 or something is when you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Con Man]

Like turnover worthy plays. It's all that. That isn't real.

[Pat McAfee]

Now I have a question. Do they say that? Because what that play actually equates to in a qbr, when you have to spike the clock, when you have to spike the ball, like in that situation, what a spike is in that particular case case the scoring of it, are the people just assuming that that score would remain the same for each play if they were to do it on first down, second down, third down, and fourth down for the entire game.

[Ty Schmidt]

But I don't understand.

[Pat McAfee]

Does a situation matter?

[Ty Schmidt]

Well, when a guy throws a touchdown, that's the best possible outcome on that play. So how, how do you grade that? Like, well, this guy was open and he had to throw. A little bit tougher of a throw. It was a touchdown, but he probably shouldn't have thrown.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, we're not getting this. We hate this.

[Con Man]

Yeah, that's the DVOA and the dvoe where it's like over expected, over average. It's like normally someone who makes this throw is an interception. So that's technically a turnover worthy play. They score a touchdown. But I mean, this goes into the, the whole PFF thing where Geno Smith throws.

[Pat McAfee]

Did they take the rankings off on Sunday night?

[Con Man]

No, they didn't.

[Pat McAfee]

They did not.

[Ty Schmidt]

No.

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Con Man]

And a lot of players on the Texans, especially on their offense, this might surprise you, were ranked very, very low.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, we got a good one for you tonight. Look at this shitty group of dudes. Why would they even want that?

[Con Man]

They're O line. I mean their whole entire O line. One of the guys wasn't even ranked. Titus Howard. Just a dash, nothing below it. And I'm assuming it's because he plays tackle, but they've moved him into guard probably so they don't even.

[AQ Shipley]

They don't even know where to rank.

[Con Man]

So they don't even know what to do.

[Pat McAfee]

They should take the best rating that they have for each player. This guy has the best two steps in the history of ball or something. Try to make it look good as opposed to just, just burying these people.

[AJ Hawk]

The rankings change week to week. Like say you have two Sunday night games. Could you be, you know, 25th out of 100 this game and then 60th.

[Pat McAfee]

The next game later in the season? It's going to be harder to move drastically, obviously, early in the year when there's less amount of reps you can obviously move with. You know, this is all law of averages, brother. Saw a lot of averages.

[Darius J. Butler]

Core gpa.

[Pat McAfee]

That's right. You're basically set right now. I don't know if there's enough wiggle room for you to make a big drastic change, unless you just completely shite the bet. I guess.

You can move down, I think quick. I think it's hard to move up.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Where he is, where he is. Good luck the rest of the way.

[Vince Wilfork]

Sway.

[Jake Paul]

Go.

[Pat McAfee]

Who's number four performing? Offensive line coming out of week 14.

[Darius J. Butler]

Whoa.

[AQ Shipley]

The Denver Broncos.

[Pat McAfee]

You like this team? It feels like this team has been on here a couple times.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, I do like this team. I like the group up front and I really like this running back. R.J. harvey's been fantastic. But this is duo, right? They got all the people in there, multiple tight ends, extra bigs, and we're just going to run. Who we going to find? We're going to find Quinn. Miners. Right? Run between that gap. Find quinn, miners. Find McGlinchey. Find the guys that you've paid 100 plus million dollars to and run between that hole.

60S the center. Luke Wattenberg. He just got paid, too.

[AJ Hawk]

Watch his feet here.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

How good is that? How good is that? Look at Garrett Bowles on the left. Left tackle. He's been paid. I mean, this whole group's been paid. By the way, it's a pretty good. Good thing to know that if you're playing the Raiders, you're most likely going to be on the top five offensive lines that week. I'm just going to throw that out there.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, the Raiders suck.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, real bad. I mean, I'm almost positive every single week they are on the defensive side.

[Pat McAfee]

So Max Crosby is just getting double triple team, then everybody else stinks.

[AQ Shipley]

He makes his plays, but they don't. I mean, just look at. Look at that hole. You just run up the interior. Look at that, Barry. Jeez, I didn't even see that until you just mentioned that. It's incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

Burial.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 60 there at the. Boom.

[Ty Schmidt]

You got a streak in it.

[Pat McAfee]

That seems to be a little violent, doesn't it? Broncos offense good enough to win a Super Bowl?

[Con Man]

Yeah, they are.

[Ty Schmidt]

The.

[AQ Shipley]

The crazy thing is I think they're dogs this week. I mean, they're. I mean, along with New England, they're both dogs and they're arguably the two best teams in football, but yes, What Bo Nicks has been able to do the I really like. Oh, I really like what Bo Knicks.

[Con Man]

Is able to do.

[AQ Shipley]

Did you see what he did in the overtime?

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, we're not talking about that. We're not talking about. What's this? Move on from this conversation.

[Con Man]

Something popped up.

[Pat McAfee]

Something just popped up on the Backboard here. Number three performing offensive line of week 14 is Tennessee Titans. I've said publicly microphone. Hey, I try to find out who's going to win a Super bowl top five performing offensive lines every single week. And we got the Tennessee Titans on here.

[Con Man]

Can they do it?

[AQ Shipley]

They went against AFC South.

[Pat McAfee]

It's a juggernaut.

[AQ Shipley]

You also got to understand this is the last week of buys. I'm pretty sure. I think there's no more buys. So all are good. Teams that are on buys are back. So the groups moving forward for the rest of the season are going to be the really good groups. This group, however, went against the Cleveland Browns. Good defense and they beat the out of them.

[Con Man]

They really did.

[AQ Shipley]

They held Miles there to one sec. They beat the out of him and they ran the out of the ball. They ran for almost 200 yards against this defense.

[Pat McAfee]

How are they so bad?

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, it's certainly not their offensive line. I mean, it starts with their quarterback. He's young and they don't have any talent on the outside. But the running back is Tony Pollard. We all know Tony Pollard. Pollard, great with the Cowboys. Been paid to go over the Titans and they got good players. You got Zeitler here out in space. Look at Kevin Zeitler. Zeitler's one of the best guards in football over the last 10 years.

[Pat McAfee]

There's three guys on the ground. Right?

[AQ Shipley]

Let's go back real quick. Can we take a look at Gunner Helm too? Let's see number 84, second level circle second level in the linebacker. Rookie tight end from Texas going and burying someone at the second level.

[Pat McAfee]

Two guys on the ground at his feet. He'll take both of those knockdowns. Feels like the Tennessee Titans shouldn't be as ass. Is that what you're saying?

[AQ Shipley]

They have to get better at the quarterback position and the skill positions on the outside and running the offense. But up front, they got guys. They got first round picks across the board. They got J.C. latham, they got Kevin Zeitler, they got guys.

Incredible.

[Pat McAfee]

I've seen Cam make throws with my own eyes. I see him when he played the Colts.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.

[AJ Hawk]

HQ, who's 75, who's the left tackle.

[Pat McAfee]

JC Latham with a little vet move and.

[AQ Shipley]

Oh, yeah, little slingshot.

[AJ Hawk]

And then use your body. Then get your body on the other side. You're setting a pick. That's beautiful.

[AQ Shipley]

That is. Little slingshot. Tech.

[Ty Schmidt]

You.

[Con Man]

Latham?

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Con Man]

He was other guy's favorite old lineman this past offseason.

[Pat McAfee]

Tennessee Titans offensive line coach was Mr. Callahan.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yes.

[Pat McAfee]

Was a good offensive line coach.

[AQ Shipley]

Very good.

[Pat McAfee]

So why do they suck?

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, their scheme wasn't very good. And like, let's just call it a spade. A spade. We can sit here and say what we want about number one overall pick, Cam Ward. He's not there yet.

[Pat McAfee]

Yet.

[Ty Schmidt]

Period.

[Con Man]

Well, and that's the thing. Every single press conference was Callahan going like, oh, you want to call the play? So, like, can you learn that much? Yeah. Can you learn that much from a guy who doesn't know how to speak?

[Pat McAfee]

He was so mad.

[Con Man]

Always yelling.

[Pat McAfee]

So mad.

[Con Man]

Kharsi would just be like, so what you think about your game plan this week in Callahan would literally be like.

[Pat McAfee]

You come up with it there. Yeah. But Paul would have a little sauce on.

[Con Man]

He would, he would he would.

[Pat McAfee]

He always say something. Game plan in which we lost by 30. How do we come up with it? Like, there would always be something. He knew what he was doing.

[Con Man]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And Callahan just couldn't help it. You know, he was dog with carrot here.

Yeah, I. I'm actually getting.

[Con Man]

I'll take the bait.

[Ty Schmidt]

I'll take the bait. You.

[Pat McAfee]

It was tough to like him.

[Con Man]

Wasn't every time.

[Pat McAfee]

It was tough to like him and.

[Con Man]

Like, huge fan of a guy like that who comes from a football family with a legendary, you know, like, father who's an O line coach who then leaves his team to come coach for him. Like that guy on paper is someone that you fucking love. But then every single press conference, he had to just eviscerate someone for asking him like a football question.

[Pat McAfee]

Nothing sums up Brian Callahan's tenure better than the I don't know what this is. I don't know what the hell that. What does that say? What is that word there? What is that? This just got popped up on the screen. I o mar non challenge in week one.

[AQ Shipley]

So he's a receiver.

[Con Man]

Do you know that?

[AQ Shipley]

He's a fifth round pick receiver.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, yes. Okay. I didn't know if that was a. Some sort of stat. I didn't know that was some sort of trying to help there. Better than the stat. You know, this whole thing. So he. An elbow doesn't equal two feet. My interpretation of the rule was wrong. I misspoke yesterday. I'm well aware of the rule. Okay. That. I guess that is kind of what we. That is a great representation of the entire thing. Cam Ward though, sounds like you're not. How about him on Caleb and Cam?

[AQ Shipley]

Why I also think suck.

[Ty Schmidt]

I.

[Pat McAfee]

Well, no, that's what. I don't think that.

[AQ Shipley]

I think they have to grow. And that's. That's just the. That's just where we're at with rookie quarterbacks. They have to get better. But I also think last thing on this thing is is the Callahan head coach versus that Callahan old man who's the O line coach. Run two different schemes, right? Like Bill Callahan comes from this scheme. I think there was kind of like a. A little bit of butting heads based on. Hey, like let's bring my dad in. Great offensive line coach, but he likes to do this with his O line. And we're running a scheme that doesn't really necessarily really benefit what we're doing with my players.

[Pat McAfee]

So within own family.

[Con Man]

Yeah, shut the up, dad.

Every day I think there's a little bit.

[AQ Shipley]

I also think when you have a first round, when you have the number.

[Jake Paul]

One overall pick, it's like an Orange county chopper.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

The tunnel is always battled. I mean they're. They're making choppers, but it was two very different styles of making choppers.

[Con Man]

That's sad.

[Pat McAfee]

You're saying that Callahan boy and Callahan fodder ran different.

[AQ Shipley]

Was two different styles. And I also think you try and force when you have a number one overall pick. Hey, let's just drop back and let him throw it 35 times a game. I don't think that's the answer for young quarterbacks either.

[Con Man]

You sure about that, son? Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, in front of the whole team? Yeah. Here's my resume.

[Ty Schmidt]

Dad, why don't you come. Come outside to the real quick.

[Con Man]

You don't ever challenge me in front of the team again, old man.

[Ty Schmidt]

Sorry about that, guys. I won't.

[AJ Hawk]

Right in the hallway.

[Con Man]

Walk big succession.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

You want to call your dad?

[Vince Wilfork]

No.

[Con Man]

Gonna call your dad.

[Pat McAfee]

They need a Mikey over there. You know, that's what the Tuttles had. They had Mikey. The other brother that really had good vibes. Balance him out.

[Con Man]

He did well, the other Callahan brother. Talk about a temper. Makes those two look like mlk.

[Pat McAfee]

A unifier, huh? Yeah. That guy is a hothead. Callahan's family. I guess not. It was like when, you know, some people describe family vacation. It's like we're just picking up the drama and taking it somewhere else. They did it. They did the Nashville, man. They did the Nashville. It's unbelievable. I didn't know that was the case until right now. I thought it was a good story. They were coming together. I thought it was potentially becoming them versus the Titans. Maybe the Titans were kind of going. What you're saying is maybe the Titans saw what dad was doing and like, what dad was doing a little bit more than what some was doing. And then the dad was saying, boy, I've been telling you your whole life, you need to do this.

[AQ Shipley]

Just need to run the the ball. Just need to run the ball.

[Pat McAfee]

Number two offensive line of week 14 is. Wow.

[AQ Shipley]

The Miami Dolphins. I can't wait to see the matchup this week.

[Pat McAfee]

Losing records on this top five offensive lines.

[AQ Shipley]

Not for much longer. That's right. Tell them, Gumpy, this. I mean, this group is fantastic. And let me tell you.

[Con Man]

Fantastic.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. See what I did there?

[Darius J. Butler]

Like that.

[AQ Shipley]

Let me tell you, they have been so good running the football recently. If you watch this clip right here, start the fullback one way. Alec Ingold is as good a fullback as there is. And Aaron Brewer, if he is not the first team all pro center this year, I quit. He is the best center in football, hands down. And this is why. Because he runs to the next level and he runs people off the screen. Look at that little torque at the end. But he's the reason the run game is going.

[Pat McAfee]

So the Miami Dolphins aren't ass.

[AQ Shipley]

No, they become very good. And it all started when they fired their gm. I'm not sure what correlation that is, but all of a sudden they became good. At that moment.

[Pat McAfee]

What was that, Gump? What are you thinking? Why Chris Greer stunk.

[Hammer Tone]

Also, Austin Jackson came back and we're just sticking with the run game. McDaniel's done with it.

[Pat McAfee]

We're not doing the stupid where we're dialing up these dumbass plays.

[Hammer Tone]

Just pound the rock. Nobody can stop our run game. Gonna keep doing it Monday night in Pittsburgh.

[Pat McAfee]

All right. Whoa.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Let's go to one half of the Hammer Cowboys. Live in Hammer. Done. Done. I didn't know you had the number two offensive line. This week on prime time tonight, are you scared to death about Retro Rogers maybe having to run into a dynamite Dolphins squad?

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Hammer Tone]

Super, super scared about the Miami Dolphins coming into 18 degree weather. Steelers have won 22 straight Monday night Football games at home and they're wearing Color Rush, so.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, I'm shaking.

[JJ Watt]

Wow.

[Pat McAfee]

You are. You are shaking.

[Hammer Tone]

No, it's fucking Dolphins dude.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's move on to this.

[Con Man]

Is a chance hurt guys.

Doesn'T matter.

[AQ Shipley]

The back of the beating the out.

[Pat McAfee]

Of the jets so bad he could take the rest of the day off. Oh, what was that?

[Hammer Tone]

His ribs hood.

[AJ Hawk]

What's that reflection you're using that.

[Hammer Tone]

Oh my Wibby's hood.

[Pat McAfee]

Is that your daughter? Are you being your daughter right now?

[AJ Hawk]

What is that?

[Hammer Tone]

He's being Mason Rudolph maybe.

Coming in.

[Pat McAfee]

For Aaron Rogers for a couple plays. I don't know what that means.

[Hammer Tone]

I don't speak Canadian.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you to all right, let's go to the number one performing offensive line of week 14 of the NFL season.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

The Los Angeles Rams hands down by far the best O line this week. 250 yards rushing, 280 plus yards passing. They did whatever they wanted in the desert. Let's look at this backside Alaric Jackson, little Seal block on the backside on Darius Robinson and then boom, out the gate. Terrible fit by the safety. But having said that 48 yard touchdown run right there.

[Pat McAfee]

We knew this was going to happen, right? Puka was one of the ones. Puka power. It's a game. He's calling.

[Con Man]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

Who offensive line that is now automatically showing up with whoever's playing against the Arizona Cardinals because you're seeing them.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

There is starting to become a little bit of. If I get my eyes on these things, all of a sudden I'm a little bit more impressed. This Los Angeles Rams offensive line, super bowl worthy.

[AQ Shipley]

I mean the problem is every time I'm watching these games against every team in the NFC west west, this is what they're doing.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, not good.

[Pat McAfee]

Arizona Cardinals, 9 1/2 point dogs this weekend against the Houston Texans without both of their starting tackles. Sportsbooks know something that we don't know. But on the Ram side of things, they are one of the three NFC teams that we see as representing the NFC in the Super Bowl. That's an accurate assessment.

[AQ Shipley]

Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean I think their offensive line is fantastic. The stuff they're doing in 13 personnel is great. Their tight ends are great. Their receivers are great. They got two headed monster with the backs. Let me, let me say this. I watched Matthew Stafford come out one for four and I'm like, okay, cool, we're going to have a chance. Cardinals come out, they score right away, it's seven, nothing. Then all of a sudden he throws 13 of his next 14 and just everything just starts going.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, he went one of four. But before that they just ran it right down the Cardinals throat. I mean, which is goes to your point here about the offensive line. All right. Shout out to the top five performing offensive lines of the NFL season. Congrats. Congratulations to them. We appreciate the hell out of you. Big boys moving bodies for the betterment of ball. And now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to get smarter. It's time to go to the secondary. It's time to go to some defense. It's time for good D, bad D, everything. DB with DB Darius Butler.

[Darius J. Butler]

We'll stay in the NFC West. You got a rookie making waves. They got, I mean, a bunch of talented guys on this defense from the front line all the way to the back end. Devin Witherspoon, one of but Nick Emman, warrior, rookie, Swiss army knife, made history in Seattle. Field goal block, sack. Couple TFLs in a pick. Just roll the highlights. This whole defense, Mike McDonald, we talked about him. His defense fly around. They do a ton of different things. They're good against the run. They harass quarterbacks. It's going to be a headache facing Uncle Phil this week. We'll see what they got up their sleeves, but this guy is an absolute weapon. We get to the tape and see him on the all 22. This first, foremost, this is the black blitz. And you try to figure out who's coming, where they're coming from. You see the different disguise, rotating linebackers popping out. You pause it here, fire zone five man pressure and pretty much like almost like a quarter shell on the back end.

[Pat McAfee]

How do you stop that? He was the three yards off the line scrimmage. There was another guy that thought he was coming.

[AQ Shipley]

I mean, it's just so good. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Every single week with Mike McDonald, he is creating things in pressures that we've never seen before before. Literally never seen.

[Con Man]

You can hear the seeing them.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you.

[Con Man]

You can hear the right here.

[Pat McAfee]

That gummet. Thank God we're hearing something. It's when we stop hearing things that we got to be worried. But this defense is a real deal.

[Darius J. Butler]

It's real deal. You get a point across the face. Yep.

[AJ Hawk]

Watch 48 cross. It annihilates two guys.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. If you run it back a little bit, it's just those like you have blitz paths. You got to be disciplined in those blitz paths. Almost like routes as a receiver to open up 48, he's doing his job 5, 3. He's doing his job on the inside edge. And you open up that lane for three. When he gets back there, he's going to make it count. He's going to get him down to the ground. Big hitter can play in coverage. He, he, he gives you so much versatility on that back and he's unbelievable as a rookie. You talk about, you know, BA talks about having your rookies ready around Thanksgiving. This guy's been a dog all season long.

[Pat McAfee]

Timing of the blitz, you're born with it.

[Darius J. Butler]

Some guys are better I think right now just watching tape, like Nicole Dean probably times up blitz is better than the linebacker for Philadelphia 17. He probably times him up better than anybody. But it's a field thing, it's a practice thing. Walkthroughs. These guys spend a lot of time with each other talking about it, the, the defensive coordinator, knowing when to call it. At this point, this was, you know, just an all out salt. You're up a bunch of points. You know, you're in a must pass situation. So that's when you're going to get all the good shit.

[Pat McAfee]

But guys are better at timing than other guys, right?

[Darius J. Butler]

For sure.

[Pat McAfee]

Like that's just a natural being able to understand what a cadence is, what they're looking to do, not give it away so much. That's why they talk about hall of Fame Harrison Smith. Like he, he has the timing in which his disguises and what he does is a big thing. But he's. Yep, born with that right.

[Darius J. Butler]

Timing it up and you know, acting skills too. Because AQ and those guys, they're looking at guys, quarterbacks, they're looking at guys. And sometimes the dbs, it almost doesn't matter what they do because sometimes old lineman can look at the front and they can say okay. They can only come from this side. And with this particular coverage, like the safety couldn't really blitz because two would have been completely uncovered. So you kind of know those different things. But still when you time it up in the offense, they gotta be on the same page. Post snap as well. Running backs, they gotta be on the same page. Sometimes they're scanning the. So they may see something late. It only takes one guy to be out of position. You get a free hitter at the quarterback.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, let's roll some more. Good. Deep.

[Darius J. Butler]

Hell yeah. Another one, Devin Witherspoon in the slot. We all know about him. Fantastic young cornerback. He can cover, he can blitz. He's all over. Number three receiver right here. We always talk about tips and overthrows and you see this play like it looks almost like an easy catch because it's tipped up in the air. But you see DB's linebackers drop these type of ball. I think I was talking to you during the packers game a couple weeks ago. It's like, damn, if they just caught half. Half of these. They'll be leading the league in interception. So catching his play, been in the right spot. Devin Witherspoon, he does the tough, tough sled in there and then making it count in the back end of a big third down. It was 20 to 6 at that point. You know, Falcons maybe never had a chance, but right there, that's when that kind of avalanche just gets going.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you for showcasing how good this defense is whenever Phil Rivers does his thing.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, I'm just giving. Giving Phil some more film. I know he's seen all this and you know, these coaches now, he's all. Most of these coaches actually younger than Phil at this point. He's seen, you know, where these trees started from. He's seen, you know, Rex Ryan and all the old guys and these trees. So this is. This is elementary. But I want to show. I want to make sure Phil sees it, though.

[Con Man]

Yeah, he's older than McDonald.

[Pat McAfee]

What's that?

[Con Man]

He's got a point there. Phil Rivers is older than Mike McDonald.

[Pat McAfee]

He's been around ball a long time, Will, so you better have to bring your best stuff. And speaking of bringing best stuff, we talked about E man there. He had blocked too. Yeah. Like a nasty field goal block.

[Con Man]

I mean, like redeemed full extension off the right hand. Perfectly timed. It was. He didn't block it.

[Pat McAfee]

Talk about the timing of this.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

Boom.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Like here's. Here's a timing like you're born with this. I don't think this is like a thing. Ed Reed had it. Ed Reed had it. Troy Paul Malu had it. Obviously, you remember through the greats of the past are able to just time things up perfectly to be able to get to a field goal operation off the edge, like without any push, kind of low kick mess. The timing of your get off.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Has to be insane. And then the athleticism of the bend and the grip that you have to have. Outrageous. So they're great everywhere in Seattle.

[Darius J. Butler]

He's an unbelievable football player. Witherspoon, same thing. He can cover any receiver in the league and one of the best blitzing cornerbacks in the National Football League as well.

[Pat McAfee]

But can he cover somebody when Phil Rivers is throwing a ball, has he found.

[Con Man]

I haven't heard anybody that could cover Tyler Warren, tight end.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Especially if Phil. Is Phil Rivers good with tight ends? Ends? I don't know.

[Con Man]

He just had one guy.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

Who just went in the hall of Fame.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, he's a basketball player. I think he's pretty good with tight ends. We'll see maybe more Seattle highlights next week.

[Con Man]

Doubt it.

[Pat McAfee]

They could kill us. It looks like that could, but Uncle Phil could do it. All right, there's more. Good deal, right?

[Darius J. Butler]

Yep. Another great defense.

[Pat McAfee]

We gotta play them.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, we'll see. Once again, just feeding Phil more info, more intel on these guys. Jayla Petrie, he's having it all pro season. This may be the first time. I'm not sure we have to run the tape. This may be the first time a guardian cap has made an appearance on. Good, deep, bad D. But he has been unbelievable this entire defense. The corners on the outside, Stingley and Lassiter, they bring it. Lasseter as a cornerback, he's there. He's like a tone setter on that defense. Bullock, the free safety who knocked the shit out of juju after the tip. He's been the best free safety, deep ball safety in the league. And Jalen Petrie, he's unbelievable. He can play in the slot. You see him one on one right here. Here. Juju Smith, Schuster matched up with him, undercuts. We talk about tips and overthrows. How about tipping it to yourself and then going and finishing the play? And he's not just, you know, a ball hawk. He's got four picks this year, but he will take your head off as well. Just an absolute heady player. Instinctual as well. So the next play, you'll see the big hit that we've seen. You'll see how it kind of happens from the all 22 side of things. It's like a zone coverage. So up top there, they're like a quarters or a T cover two type match down here. Stingley, he's going to match the tight end one on one. And he's just looking for work back there. Looking for work. Reading the quarterback, reading the eyes. And time them, time them up. Line him up in a big time, legal, physical hit from Jalen Petrie.

[Pat McAfee]

Time them up, line them up. That's a great bar right there. I mean, he certainly did both of those things.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And it was clean. Hit clean. And he had the guardian cap on. So he saved 33% of the contact with Rasheed Rice's shoulder and jaw. Very nice of him to do that for what's contact? Could have been Rashid. Good sell. That was Shawn Michaels. Yeah, that was a Shawn Michaels.

[Darius J. Butler]

I don't know if he's working this. I don't know.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean he definitely. That's a big bump. Boom. And he sell bang. And another one. I mean that. That's. That's Shawn Michaels versus Hulk Hogan.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Type selling. And I was hoping he was okay after that whole thing.

[Darius J. Butler]

Whenever your shoulders are the first thing that hit the ground, you, you know, like if you run it back, woman, like whenever you're struggling shoulder, that's, you know. What did old coach say? AJ ass over T killed or some like that. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's a big time thump right there.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. And Rashid Rice, by the way, he did back up. Yeah. After this gets back up. Yeah. A lot of respect, a lot of toughness, but I do appreciate that Petrie had the big hit. And I also don't mind if people want to go over and fight a little bit. I saw some people that were like, can't be fighting on just a big hit. It's like, nah, you definitely can just. That is not how this is going to go. Creed Humphrey. I think it was Creed. No, what's his name? The center.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Creed Humphrey was over there within like half a second, like in the guys in his face or whatever. And it's like, I don't mind that at all. There's people on here like, this Chiefs team can't even take a hit without getting a fight. I'm like, I actually like that the Chiefs team is still fighting for each other at this stage of popularity and success and everything like that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

And he knows if you're going to decleat somebody like that, that there's potentially going to be a little bit of. That's in every sport that is a.

[Darius J. Butler]

Physical contest and that defense feeds off of that type of shit. Seeing guys laying on the ground, seeing quarterbacks slow to get up, seeing, you know, receivers, a tight end complaining to the refs about getting held or guys being too physical. So it's a lot of that. This team, every week they come out and they're trying to be the best defense to ever line up and play the football.

[Pat McAfee]

Even the small little thing. Can you go back to that video that we were showing at the end end? We'll get old buddy pick up the ball too. Just in case this is rule to catch and a fumble. I want to make sure that we have possession of the ball. Like that's just a. That's a small little detail right there. That ball is on the ground. D line's first thought is I need to go pick this ball up. We have no idea what's going to happen under review. And then also you're fighting. We're not fighting in there. It's like you look at every little aspect of what they're doing. It's all good ball.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

Down there in Houston. That's why they're the number one defense in the league. And that's why they are a problem. And that's why they are a prime problem. Time problem. Because the boo birds are coming out against them.

[Con Man]

And to your point about Creed, like in that replay, I guess I didn't really notice it. He's talking to the entire sideline like none of them can do anything. So he has to. Whether it's for Rashid Rice, the big hit, or him or Petri Dish talking to the entire sideline. It's like, hey, someone has to at least say something to this guy, and I'll just get bitched around.

[Pat McAfee]

That's wearing a guardian cap. I think so.

[Darius J. Butler]

I can't think of many.

[Pat McAfee]

I think most of the big hitters take pride on the fact that they probably not wearing it.

[Darius J. Butler]

I think. I'm not certain. I think he's had some concussion issues. Who's the who who wears the garden cap in Buffalo? I think he brings a hat sometimes, too.

[Con Man]

Taylor. Rap.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, rap. Yeah. Some of some guys bring it. It's a different. It's different area. Different area.

[Pat McAfee]

No, but I just respect the fact that let's put the guardian cap on because I am thinking about my brain now, with that being said, you're supposed to be thinking about my brain. I'm not going to be doing that when I'm playing because I am. Yeah. Flying. I mean, we're not changing our style of play at all. At all. I'm adding a layer. Okay. Do your job. Okay. That's what I'm expecting you to do. Because I'm gonna do my job. And it's only one way. And I'm head. I mean, he is a hit that.

[Darius J. Butler]

Jabril Peppers that whole deep. Yeah, him as well. But that whole defense from. We all know about, you know, Will Anderson Jr. Daniel Hunter, Al Shaheer.

[JJ Watt]

He's. He.

[Darius J. Butler]

He always toes that line when it comes to physicality. He's gonna bring Bullock and I can't say it enough. Like Lassiter, Kamari Lassiter, number four. Their corners his second year. Like he. He wants a lot of times we'll see usually on in the trenches because offenses they want to put the onus on corners and safeties and make those tackles on the third level. Like he wants that action Whether it's blitzing, whether showing up in the gap. He wants that action week. He actually was asked. I forget who was. Maybe, maybe speakeasy. I'm not sure. One of the podcast at that late night after games, they asked like, who is. Who's like the first guy you want to send off the bus on your defense. And I'm thinking he's going to say will or he's like, me, I'm about to. I want all this smoke.

[Con Man]

That's awesome.

[Darius J. Butler]

I love it. I love that as a young player.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that as well. Some more good D around the league.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah, we all saw it on prime time. Both of these defenses showed up. But the Chargers, they were unbelievable mentor. They play a ton of zone coverage. They're great on third down and they're always aware of what's going on. They this is a pretty common, simple route. If you run it back. We used to call this a dice route. You almost look at it when you pause it at the top where it's almost like a five on the dice. And it's typically if you pause it, go back, pause it right at the top of Jalen Hurts drop. So they're anticipating the drop. You see that flat defender go. Dante Jackson has played a ton of ball. Boom. So it's pretty much like a five on the dice, right? Dice route. Dante Jackson is great. And Dan O. Said it was on DeVontae Smith because he slipped. I don't care if he slipped or not. Jackson is all over, put his foot in the ground. He's been playing great football this year. Reading the quarterback, foot in the ground. Boom. Gets in front of the wide receiver, makes a big time play. And it started pre snap. You can see Derwin James at his safety. He makes communication as soon as he's coming over. Hey, whatever that communication not only to the corner but to the linebacker as well. Everyone's on the same page. Everyone's covered in big time play. But it is eight once again. This is week, what, 14 in this game. So this is like a day one training camp, right Route like curl, flat coffee. I mean, this is high school college.

[AJ Hawk]

Like they pick no matter what, whether he falls or not. I think he jumped that.

[Darius J. Butler]

So great break, foot in the ground, unbelievable confidence of what was coming. Big time play. So I know people look and say, hey, this one wasn't on Herz. It is on Herz. It's on Devonte. And it's a great play by Dante Jackson.

[Pat McAfee]

Hell yeah. We appreciate the hell out of all the great Defenses thumping this year. It feels like it's a physicality group.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

What defense will be be able to lead their team to a Super Bowl? That's a conversation we haven't had in a long time. Feels like it's a real one this year. Congrats to all the good D on everything.

[Darius J. Butler]

DB Got one more.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, really?

[Darius J. Butler]

The game winner. Oh, the game winner. And it stays with the Chargers. And it stays with the guy. Yep, with the guy who was on here last week, Tony Jefferson.

[Con Man]

Who?

[Darius J. Butler]

One of your former teammates, right? Aq.

[AQ Shipley]

That's right.

[Darius J. Butler]

And he took. Took a couple years off. I want to say not as many as two years.

[AQ Shipley]

Two years off?

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah. So two years off, you. You never see that.

[Pat McAfee]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Two years.

[Darius J. Butler]

Two years had a acl, then he took a couple years and he came. Yeah, helps more. Came back and making, making big time plays. We saw him last week against the Raiders running to the ball, talking about tips and overthrows and this is him running to the ball again right here. It starts with Cam Hart though. Cover two going to get Jalen hurts sprinting out. You kind of have a flat seven route. So he's reading this underneath defender. He's reading Hart. If he takes the lower, I throw the high. If he sinks back and take the high, he throws the low. This is first down. You throw the ball away. In my opinion, overtime you have an opportunity to win the game. Jalen hurts with Khalil Mack in his face, unblocked. He tries to force the throw. Cam Hart does a great job diving and getting in the window, tapping it up. And then Tony Jefferson back to back weeks. Does a great job on the sideline coming down within this situation. A game winning interception.

[Pat McAfee]

Men are going to get a job somewhere. Decordinator.

[Con Man]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

And Har ball has kind of been sent it from. From day one and he's. He won a national championship in Michigan. He's unbelievable. Harbaugh got the job, brought him here with la. They had a good defense last year. Great defense. I think again this year I think they have a championship level defense just going to be about. Can the O line hold up?

[Pat McAfee]

That's great D, baby. Hell yeah. It's great trenches and we got a great fight coming up. Listen, there's a fight about to happen that I think everybody on earth will be surprised when it happens. And certainly loud, whatever the outcome is, is there's a man who was once, you know, a child actor. Then he turned into an influencer. Then he became an empire, a mogul. Then he became A professional boxer. And all he's done throughout the entirety of it is try to do good for the sport, try to raise some awareness and try to become a fucking world champion. Ladies and gentlemen, he has a chance to fight one. Anthony Joshua will be his opponent, and this is the biggest, strongest, most talented guy that he's ever been scheduled to fight.

[Vince Wilfork]

Fight.

[Pat McAfee]

That'll be happening on Friday, December 19th. It's being called Judgment Day, and I believe it will be Judgment day for the legend. Ladies and gentlemen, Elial Jake Paul.

[Jake Paul]

Thank you for having me, dude.

[Pat McAfee]

Thank you for joining us. Can I congrats on everything, dude.

Your.

[Jake Paul]

Your venture and you as well, Pat, and you as well. You guys are always crushing, and, man, it's really cool to see all the growth and all the things you guys are doing.

[Vince Wilfork]

So.

[Jake Paul]

So congrats to you as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Very cool of you to say. We appreciate that. Obviously, we got a chance to watch you lay a blueprint for a digital career, and now everything that you've kind of changed and grown into is awesome, all the while being a professional boxer. I would like to talk about your investment fund, because I think you're one of the earlier investors in polymarket, which is now valued at like, I think, 8 billion, $9 billion. Some other things. So congratulations on everything, Jake Paul. You're not just some dipshit influencer, you know what I mean? We know that.

[Con Man]

That.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, no, sometimes I play that role for entertainment purposes. And, you know, I could do a little bit of everything. So I can be the heel, the villain. I could be a jackass. I could talk. I could be investor, businessman, CEO, boxer, whatever it is. You know the drill.

[Pat McAfee]

The.

[Jake Paul]

The current state of modern entertainment. You got to do it all. You got to play across the board and be good at all these things. But, you know, I've been in this game for, man, 12, 13 years now and seen a lot of people fall by the wayside. But me and my brother have just worked hard and. And been super calculated and know what we're doing in this space.

[Pat McAfee]

I think the work ethic is obviously absurd, and you guys are a couple Ohio fucks at your core, so we have massive respect for that. But obviously, talent and having to understand where the world is going is a forethought that not a lot of people have in history. You're a trailblazer, you know that? Now let's get to your boxing career. Career. You've been very, very, very upfront about how you want to be a world champion. World champion. You focus your entire Life to boxing. It seems we've seen you in other eras and chapters of your life where you're doing a lot of things. Then you turned your focus fully to boxing. You said boxing saved your life, you fell in love with it. Now you're taking on a guy who has done the same thing with boxing for most of his life. He has loved it, he has invested in it. He has fought the greats, he's been in the biggest fights, he's been champions. And I think a lot of us were very surprised that this would be happening. How do you feel just a few days out and what went into the decision to fucking fight Anthony Joshua?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, look, to me, I see a lot of paths to victory in his style and styles make fights. We all know that he's lost to guys who are shorter mostly and lighter mostly and faster than him. I see holes in his game. I see punches that I can land that can hurt him. Now he can definitely land punches on me, knock me out. He's more experienced. Olympic gold medalist, two time heavyweight champion of the world. This is definitely insane. I have to fight a perfect fight to be able to beat this guy. But I think that I'm capable of that. And to me, at the end of the day, all of this is experience. All of this is fun. All of this is getting in there and continuing to improve my skills as I work toward a world championship in my own weight class. I'm fighting at heavyweight.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, we lost them. They're trying to, they're trying to bog them down.

[Jake Paul]

At the end of the day, I'm going in there and I'm getting better.

[Pat McAfee]

You're fighting at heavyweight. You cut off real quickly. Whenever you said you're fighting at heavyweight, how much weight is that? More. How much heavier? Are you fighting at this for this particular fight?

[Jake Paul]

Yes, I'm, I'm fighting like 50 pounds out of my weight class. Normally I fight at 200. Anthony Joshua will be around 250.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, so this fight's happening. There's people, there's people that have mentioned, like there's no way this fight is actually happening just strictly because of what you just said right there. I mean, the weight difference, everything else signing up for this because you're supposed to fight somebody else. Tank backs out. Now you fight Anthony Joshua. I think there's a lot of people that think this is all some gimmick because of what you just said right there. This, this is not the case. You understand that you're going in there with a man who's not supposed to fight somebody that is at your weight. He's supposed to be fighting heavier people that are bigger people, which in theory stronger people, maybe more durable people. There's weight classes for a reason in your mind that is just, hey, I need to this a challenge I need to take on. That's kind of the mindset that you've taken.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, for sure. You know, the fight is definitely happening first and foremost. We're nine days away right now. But at the end of the day, I like fighting bigger guys. I was going in to fight Gervonte Davis and sparring against the tiny guys, they're like flies moving around the ring. Now I've reversed roles and I'm the lighter, faster guy and to me that's something that I like. I can move around the ring, outbox them out, maneuver them, land shots with my speed. And I believe that Joshua is very, very tough. Very, very tough tough. But I see the shot that can knock him out and I'm going to test his chin and this could potentially be the biggest upset and you know, the one of the his in the history of boxing, let alone sports. Someone said the other day, it's right up there with, you know, Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson, and I'm going to pull it off.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, Jake, Good luck out there, dude. AJ has a question for you.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, Jake, how do you see this, how do you see this fight ending? Is it going to end in a knockout one way or the other? Is that what you, you have planned? Do you think Anthony Joshua feels the same way?

[Jake Paul]

Way I don't think he can knock me out because he's not going to be able to line up his shots properly to be able to land the hard punch. I think it's going to be a, a very tough fight for multiple rounds. But then when I figure out his pacing, his style, his speed, his footwork, he's going to get, you know, a little bit tired trying to chase me around and then I'm going to set up the, the shot. I'm not going to say exactly what but, but I see see what it is and I think it'll end in the fifth or sixth round.

[Pat McAfee]

I love that you see the shot. I assume, not assume. I know that you're filming yourself work said shot so that we can have said moment in recap video of the to the real moment happening. And okay, Jake, I think you have to have that mindset going into a fight with somebody because you can't play boxing, obviously. But whenever you have that type of forethought and that type of vision and that it all comes to fruition on the other side. Talk about fulfillment in what your decisions are in your life. Excited to see it now. Speaking of decisions, a lot had to be made, I assume fighting somebody 50 pounds heavier. Go ahead.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah, obviously a huge change in opponents going from tank to Anthony Joshua. So what was there a big change in training outside of changing the sparring partners, like a diet, maybe doing something to get a little stronger? Obviously you're going to knock a big dude out. Any big major changes in his training camp?

[Pat McAfee]

Camp, yeah.

[Jake Paul]

We definitely focused a lot more on the strength workouts and lifting heavier weights. I started to eat a bit more, but I didn't want to bulk up too much. The, the speed is going to be the key here. But we brought in world champion heavyweight sparring partners. Guys who are 270 pounds, 250 pounds. You know, sparring them, you know, has been insane. I still got the remnants of.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, I see. Taking a little shot there. I like that you're taking no shots though. Have to eat them. Have to eat them. Yeah. And.

[Jake Paul]

And look, that's what it's all about, you know, preparing for the night. My coaches are some of the best in the world and they tell me, look, we believe that the sparring you're doing right now is going to be harder than the actual fight night. They don't lie to me. I trust in my coaches and I also believe that as well.

[Pat McAfee]

Big shots, any of them that land, obviously with the heavyweight is potential end of fight, which is why heavyweight fights are always the one that everybody is kind of looking forward to. You fighting at heavyweight is fucking hilarious. Jake, you need to know from outside looking in, it is a hilarious concept that you're doing. Especially whenever you guys at the face off, it's like, this dude is good because you don't have to do this. This guy does not have to do this. And I don't want to reiterate this to you as like somebody who's watching from the outside and I know you a little bit. I think at this stage, Jake Paul does not have to do this. Like I just said, he has an investment in Polymarket. The things were one of the series. A investor in polymarket. Things worth 9 billion now. Okay. All the different business ventures. Guys had 7 houses in Puerto Rico. This guy like, does not have to do this. It's all for love of sport, right? That's kind of what it is. Love of sport that you found for boxing.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, no, that.

[Pat McAfee]

Oh, no.

[Jake Paul]

Using me as a vessel to inspire the next generation of kids. Kids going from zero to the top of a sport in five years, right? If this fight was a couple months ago, there would be a heavyweight belt on the line, and when I beat Joshua, I would technically be the heavyweight champion of the world. This is a simulation of some sorts, but I truly believe that I'm. I'm here to show kids what's possible then. That's always been my mission since I've started and is to inspire the. The next generation and create one of the best sports stories of all time. Time, like I said, not doing something and then rising to the top of it in such a short amount of time should inspire anyone to take action today and chase their dreams. Because in five years, six years, seven years, you can rise to the top of industry if you're fully dedicated. And I believe that's what my story will show in documentary one day.

[Pat McAfee]

Cannot wait to watch it all. You broke your nose. Is this new? I'm seeing your nose, your noses. Is that from the same.

[Jake Paul]

More crooked brother. I'm not gonna lie. The. The sparring, the heavyweights, my nose is moved a couple millimeters to this camp. A guy by the name of Frank Sanchez, he definitely cracked it a little bit. So it definitely has slight little something in there, but yeah, man, it's bad.

[Pat McAfee]

Frank. Wait, hold on.

[Jake Paul]

Look at that dude. Yeah, Frank, like Squidward dog.

[Pat McAfee]

Hey, Frankie Sanchez, they talk about him. He's got that, you know, he's. Which one is. Is he one of these guys?

[Jake Paul]

He's the one right next to me on the left.

[Pat McAfee]

Those are gigantic dudes. You. Once again, Jake Paul does not have to do this. That. That is the. The entire angle that I think kind of gets missed. And on that note, Ty has a question for you.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, Jake. When it comes to this fight, it seems like people either in like boxing media or like combat media, they've only criticized it just because of like, hey, this. This is what could be happen. And. And I feel like you're. You're no stranger to that. That's been every single one of your fights, whether it's Nate Robinson or whoever. It's all. He's just fighting this guy so we can knock him out. But on the flip side, like, has anyone commended you for taking this fight? Obviously it's a massive risk, and it's like, this isn't just some sideshow. This is a guy who's putting a lot on the line here to face someone who's a former world champion, like has anyone reached out to you and said that, or do you not give a about any of that anyway?

[Pat McAfee]

No.

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, there's been tons of support and love and respect and people saying like, wow, like, I don't even know if I like Jake Paul, Conor McGregor being like, I don't know about him, but if he makes that fight, I have to respect him. Joe Rogan, the list goes on and on about the amounts of people supporting it and saying, gez, if he goes in there, we all just have to show some respect.

But don't respect me for getting in there. Respect me when I beat his ass.

[Pat McAfee]

That's.

[Jake Paul]

That's what I've said to people is like, I'm not just going in there. I'm not just walking in to a fight. I'm going to win. And that's what's going to shock the world. I will become the king of boxing and own the whole entire Sport come December 19th.

[Pat McAfee]

Okay, let's talk about owning the entire sport. We had Nick Khan on was that last week.

The Muhammad Ali Evolution or revival, Revival act or something like that. That to be able for the new TKO promotion that is going to be running in boxing, launching in January on Paramount. I think you were in support of potentially the change potentially to the Muhammad Ali Act. Maybe you have your own promotion as well. Have you thought that much? Can you do a lot of thinking about the future of boxing while training for a fight, or is that constantly happening for you? And what is your thoughts on all of that? The kind of the state of boxing right now?

[Jake Paul]

Yeah, no, I mean, at the end of the day, I think the Muhammad Ali act is going to be good. I think it needs to stay in place if it goes away. Most valuable promotions. In our company, we always treat fighters fairly so people can have a home there. I worry about it going away and other promoters in the game because boxing's a shady business and a lot of boxers aren't, you know, business savvy and knowing what's going on. So I believe that it, it should stay.

And that's, that's my take on it. But the future of boxing, we're in a great place and I think it's, you know, we're moving into, I guess, the streaming era of boxing, which I believe can bring in more fans. You know, being the first to bring fights to Netflix where it becomes more accessible. Obviously, the deal with Paramount, more fans are going to be able to watch. And that's what the sport needs. And we need, you know, all the hype we can get so that the next generation of fighters go into. To the gym and we create future superstars that we'll see 10 to 15 years from now as they climb through the ranks and start fighting in the Olympics. So that's what it's all about, and I think boxing's in a great place.

[Pat McAfee]

All right, well, we appreciate the hell out of you for committing to the sport, loving the sport, and putting on massive spectacles for the sport. Cannot wait to see you go in there against Goliath, brother. That's b. That's Judgment Day. Is a great name. I mean, it is a great name. Anything could happen, and I want to let you know. Proud of you, dude. This is a cool thing. Good luck in there.

[Jake Paul]

Thank you, guys. Thank you for having me. I'll see y'. All.

[Pat McAfee]

Keep crushing you, too, dude. And tell Frankie to relax. We got to fight.

[Darius J. Butler]

Turn it up, Frankie.

[Pat McAfee]

Tell Frank pull punches. We need to. Yeah, Honestly.

[JJ Watt]

All right.

[Pat McAfee]

Ladies and gentlemen, Jake Paul. We appreciate. Hey, Jake. Frankie Sanchez caught him with one. Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Massive, right, dudes.

[Con Man]

The biggest Series A in B market.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

Holy.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. He doesn't have to be getting.

Yeah. Like, there's. Especially with where that's headed.

[Con Man]

Yeah. What a What.

[Pat McAfee]

Can we put the picture back up of who he's training with?

Left.

[Con Man]

Just axes.

[Pat McAfee]

We had to get to a new. We had to get to a new.

[Con Man]

I mean, AJ's basically a good photo of it. It's basically AJ. You can probably.

[AJ Hawk]

Those guys. Look how big those dudes are.

[Darius J. Butler]

Julius Pepper's always to the left.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, it is.

[Con Man]

Oh, John Merman's on the right.

[Darius J. Butler]

Yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, what the. Dude, there's weight classes for a reason, you know? Like, there is a.

[Darius J. Butler]

It's insane.

[Vince Wilfork]

Wow.

[AQ Shipley]

Looks like Indomic and Sue pop up.

[Pat McAfee]

On the far right.

[AJ Hawk]

Anthony Joshua, man. Anthony Joshua is one of the scariest dudes on the planet.

[Pat McAfee]

I will say. Guy on right actually kind of looks like Jason Pierre Paul, who is back. Congrats to jpp. Hell yeah.

Back. Phil Rivers is back, man. Starting to feel good, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Boxing's back.

I didn't want to distract Jake with any more ventures, but I think he should. Oculus boxing has a lot of upside.

[Con Man]

Get in there.

[Pat McAfee]

I think it has a lot of upside. It's great workout. It's a great work. Chuck Pagan almost died. Yes. That was the lowest level, easiest guy.

[Con Man]

I mean, it's the. This time of season, too, where, like, things like that get gifted to older people, and then videos will come out of those older People testing them.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

So it's very.

[Con Man]

It's a very good time forward into a.

[Pat McAfee]

That's kind of falling off. Right. I. I think I saw sign something about Zuck has admitted defeat in. In the Met met or whatever. 81 million or something like that, I think.

[Con Man]

87.

[Pat McAfee]

87 what?

[AJ Hawk]

The property people bought. Where's that?

[Ty Schmidt]

You know, that's still very lucrative.

[Con Man]

Yeah. Store it away for a little. Wait a year before going back up.

[Darius J. Butler]

Foreclosing Metaverse.

[Pat McAfee]

I mean, people were getting mortgages out to buy property. $500,000 in a fake place next to somebody else. It's like, what?

[Con Man]

Not just somebody else.

[Pat McAfee]

Snoop Dogg, baby Boom. I think. I forget who it was. You could potentially live next to.

Katy Perry.

[Con Man]

What were you gonna do? Guy fierce to hang out?

[Pat McAfee]

Well, you go in there, you put your things on, and then you get on that little treadmill, you walk out of the front door. Ready, player one, Basically. And then you turn to your right and it's like with Snoop every morning. Okay. Which is sick. And then you turn left and Katy Perry's up there with Mr. Boudreaux.

[Con Man]

Justin. Yeah, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

So sorry.

[Jake Paul]

Sorry.

[Pat McAfee]

The previous leader of Canada. And then you're able to. To walk. And then Zuck's just out there doing rolling in the Jiu Jitsu.

[Con Man]

Yep.

[Pat McAfee]

That's what I think they were selling. That's what people thought they were buying.

[Con Man]

Oh, yeah.

[Pat McAfee]

I'm not going to talk about it.

[Con Man]

It just goes to what you were just talking about last hour, about the fall of linear television. These things are coming, but everyone thinks it's like tomorrow, and that's just not a reality.

[Pat McAfee]

Human.

[Darius J. Butler]

So are you saying hold on to your property in the middle?

[Con Man]

I'm saying if you think you're going to be alive in 100 years, I'd.

[AQ Shipley]

Hold on.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah, yeah.

[Darius J. Butler]

Pass it down to my kids.

[Con Man]

There you go. Exactly.

[Pat McAfee]

Buy More. I would say, no, don't. But I'd say for anyone already in there, no, just hold. Hold for your great sell. You're getting zero. So maybe in 50 years, 20 years, you have a chance to sell it for something. But what is it that you have?

Maybe nothing at all. And they won't tell the story. But maybe we will try someday. Boy, there's a lot of things that people try to get us to do business with.

[AJ Hawk]

Was it NFTs?

[Pat McAfee]

They're trying to get you to do NBA top shot? You talking about we actually.

[JJ Watt]

Oh, yeah.

[AJ Hawk]

That was amazing. You opened a pack on air.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. Which is just.

[AJ Hawk]

You became a billionaire I thought, well.

[Pat McAfee]

If Zion could figure out this whole injury thing, there's a chance I can.

[Con Man]

He will.

[Pat McAfee]

There was coins. Oh, yeah. Big coin run. People were trying to get us to sell coins.

[AJ Hawk]

Still going.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. The. The NFT thing was happening. This thing was a thing that people were trying to get us into. It's like.

It'S. It's good how dumb I am where I'm like, I don't get it. That doesn't sound real. No. It's a meta universe. You have property in there and you start selling property within the meta universe. I'm like, what the am I? What is. What is it? It's just. It's a space in there. You want to have space in there, so then you can sublease your space and then your space can be gatherings for your fans. Whatever the case, we'd like to pay you this amount of money. Money to potentially put your name on some space in this thing. And it's like, that's a lot of money. But I don't know what that is. I. I don't. I.

[AJ Hawk]

There could be unlimited space, right? Couldn't they just.

[Con Man]

Oh, yeah. Create more?

[Pat McAfee]

And that's why I said to the NFT guy, I was like, this looks like a gif. Can I get the GIF of this thing? Or.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, no, you own the ip.

[Vince Wilfork]

You own it.

[Con Man]

They would say, the NFT thing is going to be fascinating. There will be documentaries coming out within the next couple years. And I don't know this for a few fact, I'm just assuming just about that business as a whole, because people became billionaires off these NFTs and artists, for one thing. Sure. But like those Ape cards, the Scared Ape cards, that was one of the biggest ones. Bored Ape. Yeah. And now those were selling for, you know, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now they're worth pennies on the dollar. So, like the documentary around that, just that one as a thing, let alone NFTs as a whole, will be fascinating. Just because I am interested in the entire arc of it.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah.

[Con Man]

How did it get that big? Why did it become that big? And then why the. Did it fall off if it was that big in the first place? And then there are people with billion, billions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, who made money off of these things and that money just doesn't disappear. So, like, how did they make that money? And then what did they come?

[Pat McAfee]

Not only them, then you can just move that riddle because nft, I guess, coins, all these coins that people were selling Yes, I think those are considered NFTs as well. But they were selling a bunch of those coins. We got pitched a coin in a couple million dollars. Hey, here's a couple million dollars. All you got to do is sell this coin. I'm like, what the is the coin? It's a good thing you want to have it. I'm like, is it. It's named after me. Well, your show. Yeah, it's like it's not that good of a thing then. If I had to guess who makes its value. Well, there's only a certain amount of them. Yeah, but what do they do?

[Con Man]

Nothing.

[Pat McAfee]

There's only a few of them. Can I buy anything with it? Well, you, we could potentially try to get it access to be able to pay for something, but other than that just you have the ownership of something that is not very.

Big. That sounds fake to me, but 4 or 5 million bucks. Are you savers? It's like, no, I don't fucking know what that is. I would like one of these coins if I would like it and I don't want this thing, so I'm not going to do it. It's. There was a run there of people taking advantage of.

[Con Man]

Oh yeah. Happened this year to people that we know on the Internet. Not that we know know like people that we have seen on the Internet. I mean the, the most high profile one as of recently was the Hawk to a girl. The Hawk to a girl who you know was in that video and then had a podcast and things of that nature. And then she had one of those.

[Pat McAfee]

You, you get offered. I mean it, the, the pitch is very like I, I felt, I, I felt bad. Yeah, I felt terrible because like me listening to it, I'm naturally a hey go yourself guy. Like I, I am with suits mostly. So whenever somebody's pitching me something, I am naturally going to not like person. Okay. That is just what I'm going to do. So then they're going to have to win it through this entire thing. But if I sense you're an idiot and I think it's dumb and I don't understand it, there's no chance we're going to do anything. I think that's documented. That'll come out. That's how I do business. And that's might be why some of these people say terrible things non American about us to, you know, journalists and stuff. Because I sensed that they were stupid and dinosaurs and treated them as such when that never has happened before. But whenever something is pitched and I don't understand It. It's just. It's hard for me to want to jump in on it. But the pitch is very. I mean, it's like, hey, this is the work you got to do. This is the amount of money you got. We've done this with these people. This is the legitimate business. There is this that can happen. It's like you can see how you get trapped up in all that shit, you know, it wasn't just for like a. No, I don't. I'm too stupid for that.

[Con Man]

Especially if the person's trying to get you. Like, if the person's trying to.

[Pat McAfee]

There's a lot of good scam artists these days too.

[Darius J. Butler]

Oh, yeah?

[Pat McAfee]

Lot of good scam artists out there. They got some good text messages and emails these days. Shout out to Mac Fee. Learn more about that later. Let's get the hell out of here. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice that might change your life to Come on, dude. To Jesus Christ.

Hands down here.

How about when you guys get a three point stance and we're taking a delay game?

[Ty Schmidt]

It's the worst.

[Pat McAfee]

It's absolutely cold.

Can see you, Tom.

[AQ Shipley]

Can see you.

[Pat McAfee]

Sick.

[Darius J. Butler]

Great hoodie.

[Con Man]

Yeah. Where did you get that, man?

[Hammer Tone]

Fanatics.

[AQ Shipley]

Actually.

[Hammer Tone]

Delivered in two days.

[Con Man]

Okay, so maybe it's just me. Maybe it's just me.

[Pat McAfee]

Maybe your order goes to spam.

[Con Man]

Yeah, I checked it yesterday. Nope.

[Darius J. Butler]

They hear what you say.

[Pat McAfee]

Fanatics.

[AJ Hawk]

Yeah, he heard you talk about him throwing a pitch.

[Con Man]

That wasn't me.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah, that must be. I ordered a mic. A Parsons, like, Jersey shirt. It was like 75 bucks. Came with a huge hole in the shoulder. And I. I was just like, all right, it. I guess I just have to wear a long sleeve shirt underneath this.

[Pat McAfee]

Yeah. It'll be like fashion.

[Ty Schmidt]

Yeah. It's not. It's annoying. And then now the threads are coming out. So before. You know what?

[Con Man]

I'm just gonna.

[AQ Shipley]

It's.

[Ty Schmidt]

That sleeve is gonna come off and.

[Con Man]

But hey, one sleeve.

[Pat McAfee]

Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. Might change your life. We're in this thing together. Great work this week. Debut, brother. Great work this week. A. You too, brother. Anything for the group.

[JJ Watt]

Hell yeah.

[AQ Shipley]

Army Navy game for America on three. America on three.

[Pat McAfee]

One, two, three.

[Con Man]

America.

[Vince Wilfork]

Goodbye.

[Darius J. Butler]

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