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PMS 2.0 1473 - Watt Wednesday, Adam Schefter, Luke Kuechly, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk
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Hello beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this watt. Wednesday, December 17, 2025. This sports program begins right now.
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Football.
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It's magical and we have the incredible opportunity to talk about it every single day. What a dream life we have as meaningful. Football is happening all around us. The College Football Playoff starts in just two days. And don't look now. Week 16 of the NFL season starts tomorrow. Let's go to the toxic tablet. Boss of Conn Schmidt Con Man. It is something historic happening with this NFL season where we don't know shit about anything at this stage.
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Yeah. Zero division winners for the first time going into week 16 since 2016. It is electric.
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Wow. A lot of question marks all over the place, including that NFC north tie, Schmidt. Especially with the injuries that are taking place all around the league.
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Yeah, absolutely. But you know, hey, we, we said it. Everything's still out ahead of the Packers. Everything's still out in front of the Bears as well. So what, what a nice little showdown.
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On a Saturday night. And then Tomorrow night, week 16 of the NFL season kicks off in the NFC west, which might be the NFL's best. It might be the NFC beast as the Rams and Seahawks try to find out who's going to win that division. Now the other team will be in the playoffs certainly because of what the work has already been done. And we're kind of staring down a Vikings Lions situation here. Although Vikings Lions last season was the last weekend of the year where they were trying to decide which was the one seed and who was going to be the five seed. But in this particular case, it's who's going to win the NFC west, which we all think is going to produce potentially the super bowl champion, at least the NFC representative. Let's go to nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler tomorrow night. Ram Seahawks. So much on the line. Congrats to Amazon prime is how we're viewing this one. And congrats to us as football.
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They got a banger. Yeah, we got a banger. We got bangers all weekend long with the primetime games. This should be a big one to the best teams in the National Football League. Superstars out there seeing Puka do some other things right now. Not concerned yet on the field he's a dynamic receiver. He's going to have to have huge game without Devonte out there.
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He's going to have to if he's going to continue to do things he's doing off the field, which we will certainly tell uce like hey, the louder you get the better you got to be. And that's just a part of the game. Everybody needs a note if you're going to start doing a lot of extracurriculars outside of football, which is certainly going to be very prevalent to Puka in la. With his personality, with who he is, with how good he is at football, with his generation, with his age, with his friends, he's going to have a lot of opportunity to do a lot of things off the field. We would like him to take advantage of all those things for the good of him, for the good of his family, for the good of his future. But also if on the field remains great, it's okay. If on the field slips at all. They will be holding all of this against Puka and that's just what life is like as a superstar, let alone in the City of Stars where they can win a Super bowl this year yet again.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. Got an MVP favorite, pretty much front runner with Matt Stafford slinging it. Great defense. Obviously we expect Devontae to be healthy playoff time, but yeah, they got everything in front of them and Puka has shown us that ball comes first. First. He'll keep the main thing, the main thing. So I got faith in him.
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This will be the first ever Thursday night game with two teams with 11 plus wins. Now obviously the Thursday night PA doesn't carry all the way through the entire season, so getting to 11 wins takes a long time to get there. So two 11 win teams, two superstar teams, two potential Super bowl teams kicking off week 16. And then guess what, it's not just Thursday that we got NFL football. It's also Saturday. We got a double header. Philadelphia and Washington at 5pm on Fox. This Philadelphia Eagles team on Hard Knocks looks like they're having a great time.
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Yeah, they do.
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It is crazy the conversation around the Philadelphia Eagles team with what's happening behind the scenes. They just beat the breaks off of the Raiders this past weekend. 31 zip. Coop was smiling, Kenny Pickett was crying. The Raiders are going to have to start over yet again next season. And the Philadelphia Eagles said speaking of starting over, this whole season could just start each week and we could run this thing all the way through the Lombardi. They have all the talent, they have all the ability. Do they have the team and the camaraderie. We shall see on Saturday as they take on the commanders who sat Jayden Daniels. Marcus Mariota will continue it as they have lost their playoff hopes. And then the Green Bay packers take on the Chicago Bears in an NFC north battle. For who going to be the number one seed, the number one team in the NFC North. Ty Schmidt, Saturday football for you, being meaningful for the first time in a long time as an Iowa Hawkeye fan. Good for you.
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Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I mean, Iowa went to the Big Ten championship just a couple years ago. So we've had a lot of meaningful Saturdays. Thank you. But no, this is awesome. This is awesome. I'm very surprised that the packers are still a favorite in this game. And then the best part really is, is I'm not saying we are going to get two blowouts in the College Football Playoff with, you know, two of those group of five teams playing in the exact same time slots as these NFL games. But we have viewing options now. Hey, if one of these turns to shite, you flip over to the NFL game. Or if it's the NFL game, you flip over to the college football game. So that's going to be awesome.
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College football game I believe will be on the Ocho and on the Super Duper W. Yep. I think is where you will find those two games. Obviously, we cannot wait for that. Friday night, Alabama, Oklahoma kicks off the College Football Playoff. Then at no on abc, Miami takes on Texas A and M. Then once again, five o' clock, you have an NFL option with the Philadelphia Eagles playing. Or you can watch at 3:30 on True TV, Tulane will take on Ole Miss. And then at 7:30 on TNT and TruTV, JMU will take on Oregon.
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That's a good one.
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Oregon needs to watch it especially. We don't know what Oregon's like on TruTV.
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No, that's a good point.
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We've seen Lizard lick toeing on TruTV. We've seen multiple other shows on TRUTV that are High Performance Cops. Elite Performance cops is on TruTV. I believe live TV potentially was. Or live TV was on there at one point. We don't know what this Oregon team looks like on TruTV and I don't think they do either. JMU Team 12 wins. Yeah, they know how to win ball games. Exactly.
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A lot of them.
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Don't be sleepwalking through this Ducks. Don't be ducking around Ducks unless you want this JMU team to be the Cinderella story. Joel Klatt said, I'm sick of it all, okay? The NCAA March basketball tournament. March Madness should be called March Stupidity. He said, there's never any Cinderellas. The small schools that we want to win never go on to win. Joel Klett took an entire take not just on college football, letting smaller schools into the tournament, but also turned his sights to basketball. I think that was a miscalculation because how much we all enjoy March Madness and how many smaller schools do go on a run. But what Joel Klatt was saying was echoing the sentiments of a lot of people about how in football it's not the same as in basketball. There is like size differences and weight differences in every single physical combat sport that there is fighting, wrestling, boxing, there's weight differences because of things in football. Is there a chance that this could be a weight class disadvantage for JMU vs Oregon? Who has a top four paid roster? Their D line across the front, all multimillionaires. The backups for the front four on D line, all multimillionaires. JMU got a tough group, ladies and gentlemen. Joining us now is a man whose arms couldn't touch each other whenever he was coming out. His hands could not touch each other whenever he was coming out of college. Penn State as a Remington Award winner, his belly got in the way. This man's arms are too short to be in the NFL. What did he go on to do? Well, he played 12 years in the NFL, won a Super bowl, was a player coach as well, like he's Jackie Moon, ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley. Aq. When we talk about these games on TRUTV on Saturday, when we talk about Tulane and we talk about JMU and we talk about Ole Miss in Oregon and Ole Miss, obviously we have no idea what they're going to look like either. We have no clue what JM or Ole Miss is going to look like. Tulane has a couple games against big schools including ole miss and UTSA. They've lost by 20 plus each time. Jmu, we have no idea because they haven't really played anybody that would be considered a playoff worthy squad. Okay? So we don't know what's going to happen. Maybe JMU shows up. But the biggest difference is in the trenches, right? That's kind of where these types of games kind of get handled, which is the difference between football and basketball. Whenever you're talking about Cinderella stories in smaller schools, maybe going on a run, it's trenches.
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I also think it's depth. I think that was the biggest thing whenever we used to play Max school, which again, that's still Division one. It's not, it's not quite the level of JMU and Tulane, obviously, but whenever. Maybe they are, but I just think depth. I think whenever you lose a guy now you're onto Your second guy, that second guy is also a four star at the big schools. Now, that second guy's maybe a little bit undersized.
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Let's talk about what stars are normally for. Stars are normally projections of height, weight, athleticism, let alone film. I mean, film has to happen. But the reason why guys are four or five stars is because they have the dims. The dims, the dims. So whenever you talk about these big schools that are spending all this big money and get all the five stars, four stars, they're getting the dims. The opportunity, the potential is obviously all there, but it's the size that will be the biggest difference. Like even our West Virginia team, I would say our West Virginia team, whenever I was lucky enough to be there and ride the coattails of a lot of great players getting off the bus, our size was clear about, hey, who is a team that is, you know, SEC school or something like that. Now, granted, we were able to beat them with speed and with tenacity and with fight and everything like that. And maybe there's a chance that JMU has the same type of build or Tulane has the same type of build now than they did in the regular season whenever they had to face these types of teams. But it feels like in the modern era that we're in the schools with the money. Oregon certainly one of them. They're not the only one, but they are certainly one of them. And they should not be judged because they have money. They should be celebrated that they have money. That's a good thing for them. We all wish we had Uncle Phil Knight as alumni for our schools, but they got dudes, every big position. They could potentially just bully this JMU team right off the field. Right. Is that not something that very much worries everybody as we look ahead to these types of games?
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They could, but this is where I'm going to go on my little high horse right now and say that this is where. Iowa.
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Why?
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I think what Kirk Ferenc does at Iowa is one of the best coaching jobs every single year because he takes the guys that might be 61-6263 that maybe an Oregon or an Ole Miss or an SEC or another Big Ten school might not look at because they're not 65 and £300. But guess what? At the end of the day, what matters is what it's. Are you a football player? It's what you put on team and you can be six five. I played with multiple six fives. Look like Tarzan.
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Play like James.
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Yeah.
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Period.
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Absolutely.
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A million of Those players, and that's what I think four and five stars are you. It's. It's projections, it's potential. But when you look at the NFL, those first round picks also, there's a lot of busts. And potential gets you fired also.
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Yeah, potential will get you fired. But these teams have made the playoffs. I think it's been proven that they're a good football team and the people are good. So maybe it is a little different than at the beginning of the year, but I still, hey, I. Because my team that I got very lucky to be a part of, the West Virginia squad representing the Big East, a lot of guys that got their scholarships pulled or didn't get pulled anywhere else, kind of a last chance type situation for our team. We beat Georgia, we beat Oklahoma. Yes, beat these teams. So literally I was there witnessing it. So I will hold out hope. But in the current stage of football that we're in right now, it does feel like there are some.
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For sure.
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There are some differences. Getting off the bus.
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Play the game, gotta play the game.
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Gotta play every snap, gotta.
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Gotta strategy the country too. If you look at Indiana's roster and their stars compared to the rest of the top four, they're not on par with.
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No, this year they are. Last year they were not Ohio State. Well, Ohio State's different animal league of their own. The defense for Indiana this year, size is the biggest difference, is they are big.
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Yeah, but I'm saying like, as far as, like the guys coming out of high school, like Ohio State's made up of mostly four and five stars. You look at Indiana, there's some three stars, two stars, there's some guys that transfer from other smaller schools. Like, those are different. So culture matters, obviously. Scheme matters, but obviously these, you know, we. 3, 3 touchdown spread for a reason. Yeah, you gotta play.
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And a lot of people aren't, aren't necessarily thrilled that that is even taking up a spot in the College Football Playoff. Joel Clyde is a voice that we respect in college ball. We appreciate his contributions to college ball, but I think no matter what network you're in right now, everybody's kind of saying Notre Dame's not in. Okay.
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It's not the 12 best teams.
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So it's hard, it's hard to buy in. But I would like to hold on hope though that there is good story and you win your conference championship and you get in there. The ACC being asked was really the. That's the big reason why it's all. So whenever you want to start pointing blame at Whoever you're pointing, blame. It's not tulane. It's not JMU's fault. JMU didn't get an opportunity to really play anybody either. So they might be way better than anybody could be projecting. And they might surprise this Ducks team, which we would certainly be pumped up about, because chaos is a good thing for sports. Chaos is good, but if they get blown out and Tulane gets blown out, boy, it's going to get real loud this off season on the setup of it all.
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Yeah.
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And I saw Joe Klatt when he was at Colorado. They were 7 and 5. They played a bowl game against Texas, who was 10 and 2, and they lost 73. So I think that's why he has that take about the Cinderellas. But that's the whole thing about the stars. The stars, sure, it does matter with the big schools and the small schools, but if you're one of the best players at the small school, you're only going to be there for two years. Look at Trinidad, Winnie, dad, Chambliss. He didn't even go to a Division 1 school. But then he gets pulled because he's unbelievable, and now he's in the College Football Playoff. Like, that's the problem with the small schools. The small schools can't hang on to their coaches and they can't hang on to their players. And it'll be like that forever with the nil, which is a good thing because the best teams will be better. But it's a. When we don't put the best teams in the college football playoffs, it feels like that will change. But that's the whole thing about the, you know, the whole star shit. Like, if the stars were accurate, then every single year, that top 100 list that ESPN does for high schools, that would reflect four years later or three years later in the draft process. But that's exactly why stars are just projections. And that is also why those schools that hold on to those dudes are almost more impressive. Like Iowa.
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Yeah. And obviously this conversation has gone into a way of you guys attacking, like, the stars angle, which I was saying, if this was the beginning of the season, we hadn't seen Oregon already play and the stars were Tarzan Jane thing. So we're talking about the end of the season already and they're in the playoffs. So I'm saying four or five stars because.
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No, but the.
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The whole argument was the fact that JMU doesn't have those guys and. And they're still a good football team.
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Against who is the question. That's my question. If they're still a good football team. Against who?
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Nobody shot to shine.
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Now they do have the shot to shine. They're Jake Paul going into Anthony Joshua.
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Boom.
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Good luck. Good luck. And we learned a lot about Jake Paul.
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He's winning.
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No idea. He had the Hulkster rolling through his body.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Did we know that?
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No, no. I saw that and I said, okay, well, why am I even gonna watch this?
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Jake Paul, it's over. Did a gator hunt. Killed a 12 foot gator, okay. Out in the, in a swamp. He's turning the gate. He found him. He saw him. Look, there he is. I sell him, bitch. He's hiring 12 foot gator. And then getting up close to him. Let's go ahead and shoot that thing right in between the eyes. This gator thinks he's tough. It's not. I'm tougher than him. Takes the gator, turns it into shorts, then he starts decorating and boom. He's summoning the spirit of Hulkster. Going in against Anthony Joshua. Obviously a who speaks with a British accent. I am a real American is what Jake Paul is saying. Is that going to be enough to power him over this big time upset against Anthony Joshua on Friday night?
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I mean, I'm a little biased, but I'm thinking, yeah, like I went from thinking, hey, I hope Jake Paul can survive. I hope he doesn't get killed by this guy who we've seen fight before, who is a mountain of a human being, big time heavyweight. And then I saw this stuff and I said, Jake Paul gonna knock him out in the first round. Never mind going to a decision, never mind maybe knocking him down. He's gonna kill him.
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Yeah, there's a chance. So we got Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul, Friday night. We got Tulane, Ole Miss, we got jmu, Oregon, Joshua one. What's that?
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Anthony Joshua.
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Yeah, I saw, I saw Joshua say he's going to take his soul and break his spirit. And it was a pretty enlightened answer.
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I'm.
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I'm worried about Jake.
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Yeah. With an English. And I think Jake was worried, too. As he was saying, they were zooming in on Jake's face and I think Jake was doing. Wow, that's pretty deep. He's thought about this before. All right, so a lot of David Vers, Goliath Typ situations this weekend going into the holiday season. Let's go and enjoy it all. We appreciate sports for always delivering for us, but if Tulane and JMU get murdered, it is going to be very, very, very loud. But if they get a win. That's the specialness of sports. Maybe they go on a magical run, a Cinderella like run that nobody thinks is possible in a physical sport as opposed to just a bucket getting sport. Joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who's a senior NFL insider for espn, A guy who's on top of every single story including, including the one down in Miami with the turning of a tide. Joining us now, Michigan man Adam Schefter. Shefte, we appreciate you joining us as you are going to speak at your high school as a distinguished honor alumni and let them know that the future is bright if you're willing to have four phones and be on them at all times. Now Shefty, let's talk about what happened in Miami. Tua Tongivaloa no longer the starter. Quinn Ewers is the new starting quarterback for the Miami Dolphins. What does this mean? This is dawning of a new day, whole new era. Tua chapter closed in Miami. Is that how we should read this?
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Yeah. I think it's time to start playing the numbers game and we've seen this play out before in Denver with Russell Wilson, in New York with Aaron Rodgers. When we talk about the teams with the largest cap hits that absorbed the contracts of quarterbacks that they once thought were going to be their future, I think you have to turn to Denver and the jets for instructive ways as to which how they handled it. The Denver Broncos this season, this season still have $32 million in dead cap money money against their cap for moving on from Russell Wilson. It was initially over $50 million last year against their cap. It's $32 million this year against their cap and they still have the best record in the AFC. Currently the jets moved on with a 49 million dollar cap charge. Merritt Rogers, Tua Tungavailoa is going to have a $99 million cap charge if they decide to move on from him. That would be the single largest cap.
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Charge.
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And they certainly could spread it out. There are a couple of ways to look at this. They could release him after June 1st. They could see if they wind up trading him in much the way that the Houston Texans once traded Brock Osweiler along with a draft pick to the Cleveland Browns. I remember the day that that story happened and Bill Polian was on the desk there at espn. He's like that can't be. Nobody ever trades a player and a pick to take on the contract. But these are different times with some larger contracts and this certainly would be in that catego category. But Clearly, Miami is going to be moving forward without Tua one way or another. You don't make the decision to bench him and go with a rookie quarterback in Quinn, yours without the idea that you're essentially separating right now. It's just a question of how the relationship officially dissolves and how they move on from him. But this was the first step in that happening. They have begun the process of moving on from.
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Okay, sounds good. Now tell us where it went wrong. You know, Cause a couple years ago, they put up 70 on the Denver Broncos. They were the talk of the town for offenses. Tua was all in. He gets a new deal. He immediately goes right to the group of people that can't afford regular tickets, so they go to training camp. Maybe some local sick kids come into training camp and start screaming in their faces, show me the money. Was this the moment where it all went south? Like when obviously he had a couple of concussions, which we were all very worried for him. Something went bad, though, because he got worse at football. Like, none of us really understand what. How did happen, you think? Where did it go wrong? Wrong? It.
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It's hard to pinpoint. I. Again, I think. I think the concussions and the injuries began to play a part in this. I think he's played through some other injuries here, but I don't know that he's been fully healthy, and I don't know. All the injuries that he's been through in the past have taken a toll. Look, when Mike McDaniel got hired, he came in there and resurrected. Resurrected the career of Tuatanga Waloa, so much so that they signed him to this contract that now is going to become a major sticking point with this organization. Somewhere along the way, it just. He didn't get better the way that some people do, and if anything, he seemed to regress.
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Yes.
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And now they're at the point where they've decided to bench him for Quinn Ewers. I can't give you a specific moment when it went south, but. But I think part of it is the injuries taking their toll. Part of it is him not improving and regressing, if anything. I don't have that specific answer. I wish I did, Pat.
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All right. We appreciate the hell out of you. Tell those kids at that high school we said, what's up? And that they should be proud of their alumni. You and the director of Monday Night Football, is that right?
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Yeah. Artie Kempner, who's the director of Monday Night Football. We went to the same high school earlier on Long Island. I'M literally, I will say this a bit surreal driving up the street that I used to go up every single day as a youth and I haven't been here in a very long time. And about to pull up to my high school, which I haven't been to in a very long time. And we're gonna go speak to all the kids here for alumni day.
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Hey, go see those lockers you used to get stuffed in, Shafter. We appreciate you man. You're the best. Ladies. You've done good, dude. You done good. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Okay, let's go to you D Butch, obviously South Florida guy, Dolphins fan throughout your childh and will be for the rest of your life. We talked about TUA and the moving on of him. Six year quarterback. This isn't like first year, second year, third year. This is six year quarterback. And what we saw in primetime obviously wasn't fantastic. We showed a couple of the lowlights there, him taking sacks when like a third year quarterback, second year quarterback you would hope would not take sacks. Him knowing what a defensive coverage was, what their offense was and just throwing a pick directly to a guy, he should know that that guy is going to drop into that particular coverage because there's nobody to threaten him in the flat. We've talked about this all like amateur like mistakes out of a quarterback in his six year who's been paid now, concussions aside, because there is a chance that that affects everything. Okay. Obviously that's your brain and big part of being quarterback is thinking and critical analysis and decision making and all that stuff. So we can I guess assume that that potentially had an effect on it. But.
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Oh, for sure, yeah.
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After they lose primetime game, he was the last one on the field. I mean he was the last person on the field like celebrating. I saw him. There's a video of him and Jalen Ramsey talking. They're like the final two people almost in the entire stadium having a good time catching up old teammates. I like that these teammates like each other, but a quarterback for in primetime that just got kicked out of the playoffs, they were potentially going to go to the playoffs being the last one off the field. It's like that's not what you want your quarterback to look like. What he was doing on the field, that's not what you want your NFL quarterback to look like. So what happened from year three, four to year six, like is that on coaching? Is that on tour, is that on the building? Like how do we kind of judge this fall from grace that Tua Tongvaloa has because it felt like he was on an actual fast track to maybe a good legacy whenever McDaniel got there. And then now here we're like, he's gone. It's over in Miami. It's a wild.
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This postgame stuff is kind of the icing on the cake. And like you said, you mentioned players catch up all the time. You saw Russell Douglas and ay catch up real quick after the game, and that happens. I don't expect him to go into a deep, dark hole after every loss. But as a quarterback, as the face of the franchise after a loss like that that have ended your playoff hopes, you can't be on the field like this, chumming it up. We've seen former, I want to say Burrow and Allen maybe a couple weeks ago, like just in the tunnel catching up. That's kind of how you do it. Kind of away from the cameras, but on the field, we talk. We're not that far removed from, from him being a very good player. Like he was the passing rating leader in 2022, 2023, led the league in yards and then 2024. Just last year he led the league in completion percentage. But when you're watching the games and you're watching him play, it's like he's doing amateur stuff in moments where you can't do it, you can't put your team in that position. Mike McDaniel, he did a great job resurrecting his career. And then this team, this was a team that we all wrote off. We were all talking about Mike McDaniel being fired at mid season. Him been on the hot seat. And then you saw this collectively, even after trading some of their best pieces fight. And then for him to go down like this is ugly. It's tough. But Tua still got 54 guarantee next year. So they, they got to figure that part out.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. It looks like he doesn't really like the after the game thing. It was like, does this guy even care? Yeah, does this guy? Does this guy even care? And then obviously we've talked about.
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You never want that question for your.
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Quarter franchise quarterback who's getting paid, like, does this guy even care? And then team, like when he walks in a locker room, there has to be some people in that locker room to care. Somebody cares about the Miami Dolphins in that locker room.
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I would say a lot of people based on how they've played this last, you know, month or so, you know, their winning streak and then even the games before that, when they were competing, I would say a lot of those people care, the coaches and the players alike. So it's, it's, it's tough to keep. Well, it's not tough. You're a professional, so you got to show up and play, you know, 17 games. But they competed their ass off week in and week out. And it wasn't just the play. Like, if we remember throughout the weeks, like, like, seemed like every post game when he was at the podium, he was saying some dumb shit or some wild shit or throwing somebody in the bus. So it's just been wild, a wild ride.
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Well, and that's the problem. Like, he was throwing people under the bus. And they lost some players for sure. They traded Jalen Phillips, who's a pro Bowler. Christian Wilkins, they didn't resign, which, looking back, who knows, but they're. Tehran Armstead, starting left tackle. They paid 100 plus million. Jalen Ramsey gets traded. Johnny Smith gets traded. Like, there were multiple different things, but when McDaniel flew over, I still remember McDaniel on the private plane, FaceTime and to us saying, hey, we're going to build this thing around you. Like, this is your team. I want. He watched the 500 hours of Tua throwing the ball like he was handed the keys. Now the whole entire money thing, that's another, you know, aspect of this. Ownership's on board. They're also done with all his shit because they're giving him all that money. But it's year six. Like, look at the other quarterbacks in his draft class and what they're doing between Burrow, who, you know, boohoo Burrow. What are you going to do? Hopefully he figures that out. But Herbert in the Chargers, they figured it out once they got the right coach in there. And then Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has been to two Super Bowls and he's won a Super Bowl. And you look at how Jalen Hurts talks on the podium and acts after losses. You look at how Burrow handles it. You look at Justin Herbert, who handles it maybe too much aggressively. Maybe he needs to calm down, take a page out of Tua's book instead. And Tua take a page out of his book, but it is a bummer. But it's done in Miami. Like, maybe he gets a chance. Do you guys think a team is risking it on him?
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Yeah, that's kind of the interesting point. AQ Shipley, we know in this league, you know, there's an opportunity for anybody basically. And a lot of buildings think it happened like that there. It won't happen like that here. We've seen Tua have success. I referenced it earlier. They hung 70 on Denver. They were the talk of the NFL changing what offenses are. That's why they go and pay Tyree Kill, because of how impressive they wanted that offense to be, how incredible they wanted that offense to be. It was almost the greatest show on turf. Again, like that is what the Miami Dolphins were just a few years ago did. Defenses catch up and they weren't able to adjust. Is it on scheme? Is it on strategy? And do you think another team will take a shot on Tua? Tua would be agreeing that he's a backup. This would be like a Russell Wilson type situation where he gets a million dollars. Or do you think there's a team that'll go in on Tua being their starter somewhere?
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E
A somebody will definitely take a chance on him. I think I'll start with that. And I think when you look at what he's done, he's obviously taken that team to the postseason twice. He's been very good completion percentage, quarterback rating, all that stuff. But I always lean back on the trenches and Connor kind of alluded to it already with Taron Armstead. But they also lost Robert Hunt. Robert Hunt was one of the best guards in football. And there's a reason he got paid when he went to Carolina. Got paid a boatload of money. And when you lose him and you lose Taron Armstead and all of a sudden you don't have the same protection up front. You can't run the ball quite like you used to. So you can't have the protection and get him down the field because that entire offense is timing throws. I think that that's kind of where it went wrong. But he will definitely get another chance. He's a first round pick, a top five pick. They always get a million chance.
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A
Well, he want one. I mean that's kind of. I honestly this looks like a dude that after the game thing.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And then like some of those decisions and then how the season's gone and like I guess I shouldn't have said that. I apologize. I didn't mean to put anybody in a position. It's like does this guy lo ball? And you could see why he maybe wouldn't. You listed all the players that he got traded away. All their good players kind of left the team before this season started. Good players. I'm sorry. They got a lot of good players. All their star players were either traded out of town or moved along from this Miami Dolphins, they bring Minka Fitzpatrick back, but it was like this team's a seller before the season even starts. Like, what is their expectation? And then they get through it and then they're lurking and they're lurking and they're lurking. And it's like it wasn't because of Tua. While they were lurking, the offense had changed completely into a run first type thing. And then after the loss and being kicked out of the playoffs with how he hands it after he, I just, does this guy love ball still? And would that be the first question I guess any building would be asking him and if he was offered a backup role somewhere, is that something the two would want to be or he's getting $54 million. Hey, yeah, I'll do whatever. I'll basically do whatever.
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D
It's a good situation to, you know, reflect and figure it out. You still getting 54 coming your way? I think up until this point, I don't think anybody would argue that he, he loves football. We saw him, you know, looking like he was, you know, damn near dead on the football field. And they come back, a lot of people were talking saying, hey, he shouldn't come back. Go, go enjoy your family. When you are benched or you, you suffer a major injury and you have your, you know, he's, he's been a face of a franchise. When you have that taken away from you, I'm sure he'll love and appreciate it even more. But like AQ said, I'm on the same page. He'll definitely get an opportunity. Everything that I've seen, I think he still loves the game of football. And if we look around year, we see we always talk about the quarterback development issue in the NFL or how they just aren't enough good quarterbacks in the NFL. So there will be another team that will take a shot. His skill set is limited. When you're talking about quarterbacks that are making the money that he's making. I don't think he'll see another contract like this. I hope I'm wrong, but you know, he doesn't have the arm strength, he doesn't have the size, the mobility and those things that we talk about. Top tier, elite quarterback. But I think he will have the opportunity.
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A
Him with Kevin O' Connell, I don't want for a $1 million contract. Just like Russell Will Wilson, Tua Tong of Aloa. Now nine's coming into his own. We know what nine's coming into his own. But to a Tong of Aloa in an offensive system where he doesn't, hey, he's dropped back and this is where you got to put the ball. That was very much what he was with McDaniel. So maybe the offense too. McDaniel, the way he was drawing it up wasn't the same going forward where guys weren't as wide ass open or as much timing routes because defense caught up to the offense. Just joining us now is might be able to tell us a little bit more actually. This dude played eight years in the NFL. Okay, Seven time all pro, seven time Pro Bowler hall of Fame nom already. Okay, gonna go into the hall of Fame. Eight years he played. He's the type of human who, you know, walks around. He's smartest human in any room in our real world. Okay. He would be one of the representatives that the NFL would put up for if there was a smart human contest just and we had to be represented, this dude would be one of the first ones that we send out there. Then he puts on his pads, flips the switch. Complete lunatic psycho maniac, one of the greatest of all time. And oh yeah, the smarts that he has, he was able to do it in bald two. He knew what everybody was going to do all the time. Which leads to an alt cast called Monday Night Football playbook playbook with NE Gen stats. Dec. 22 An NFL data cast aimed at avid fans which will complement Monday Night Football and ESPN NFL postseason slate. So much like the we got to see like kind of a trailer, a teaser or what it would be. So just like on Thursday night how they have the analytics cast where they have circles and percentages and all that stuff. ESPN is going to provide that shout out to Adrenaline which Sean Lee, former Dallas Cowboys linebacker and Penn State linebacker, also Western Pennsylvania soccer star growing up from Upper St. Clair in Pittsburgh. He's one of the owners of a company called Adrenaline which has an AI model that backs with football players with analytics with stats and everything to be a good predictionary type situation. So they're going to team up Shawn Lee, Lou Kuechley, analytics and Monday Night Football. Oh yeah, and Dan Orlovsky.
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E
Sign me up.
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A
I think it's going to be good. Ladies and gentlemen, Luke Keakley. I think it's going to be good, Luke. This seems in theory, and I know you big brain people operate in theory a lot, but in theory this seems to be an incredible thing. I saw you got to do a little bit of a test run. I know you call games for Carolina on a rotational basis. How excited are you for this? And what do you think people are going to learn from watching alongside you, Dano and field Yates? Luke yeah, I think this, I think.
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G
It'S a really cool opportunity. I think it shows you a lot about, you know, what, what guys are thinking. When DJ DK Metcalf lines up at number three, the three position wide receivers lined up on a linebacker, his percentage of catch is going to go way up because the matchup on the linebacker is better. And then we can just give reasons why. Why does DK Metcalf line up there? Why does Johnny Smith line up out wide at the number one position rather than in a tree traditional tight end location? We're going to try to explain a lot of the why. The next couple weeks will be five, five games that we'll do, but the reason is why. Why do they line up in this formation? Why do they line up in this defensive set? Why this personnel group? I think a lot is made out of the 13 personnel stuff this year and a lot of guys have talked about why they line up in base versus nickel. I think it's going to be a really unique opportunity for us to explain why coaches do certain things and why certain players line up in particular positions.
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A
I'm going to watch it, steal your shit, act like it's my own. I appreciate you. That is, that should be an absolute blast. I think that is what the goal would be for every football fan and football consumer to get smarter about the game that we all love. And hearing from you will certainly be a beautiful piece of it. Let's talk about the game that you did there with the Dolphins in tua. We just asked, and obviously your opinion is certainly warranted in this particular conversation. Tua put up 70 points against the Denver Broncos with that McDaniel offense. Whenever he goes down there, they're using late motions, late shifts. They were doing a lot of that stuff, kind of innovated, change the game. Do you think defensive coordinators caught up to them? Do you think Tua just wasn't as sharp as he used to be? Why do you think we saw a regression in performance clearly by McDaniel and Tua down there in Miami and him getting benched, obviously is the the end of an era of Tua in Miami. What do you think the future potentially looks like for him? Luke? So I think you start with how and why we got to this point in Miami and then what do you think the future looks like for Tua?
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G
Luke I think it was certainly the production wasn't there. Obviously the Ty Tyreek injury hurt Them Robert Hunt coming to Carolina. I know you guys already referenced that. Same thing with Armstead. The pieces that they've had in the past aren't there how they used to be. Now they kind of rely on Jalen Waddle. A chain is obviously a really good running back, but I think, I think a little bit is. People have caught up to the motions a little bit pre snap shifts, all the pre snap motions. That was all very new in the way they did it. But as people see more of it and the communication on the defensive side of the ball catches up, it becomes a little bit easier. But you know, I think you guys kind of nailed it a little bit. You watched two after the game, it's like, man, like how much, how serious izz on there, you know, talking with Jalen Ramsey, it's like, man, just, just get in the locker room, be with the guys. If you need to talk to Jalen, you can do the scenes. But like you said, it's, it's the end of an era. They had a great, they had a great run there, but like, like you said, all first round picks are going to get another opportunity. He, he's produced at a high level in the past and there's nothing to say that he can't do it again.
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Yeah, it's. What was it about him that made him a great player? His accuracy, his anticipation whenever they were humming, what do you think it was? And for you, as, as a guy that was on defensive side, what are the most important things a quarterback to have that's most lethal against defense?
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G
Well, I think he knew where the ball needed to go very quickly and his accuracy was there. And I think as people kind of cut up to it and they lost some of the vertical presence from Tyreek. You know, when you have those two guys that can burn Tyreek and Jalen Waddle, it puts a lot of stress on defense. But now when you only have one vertical threat to worry about, the game changes a little bit. But I think what allowed him to be successful is he understood that offense. He knew where the ball needed to go. He played with great accuracy, anticipation and just hasn't quite been the same this year.
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Okay, let's move away from just TUA in Miami, even though it's huge news. I mean, he was the number five overall pick to the Miami Dolphins, obviously coming out of Alabama. A lot of success. Mike McDaniel got hired there to make Tua great just a couple years ago. They're going to take on the biggest dead cap in the history of the NFL if they decide to cut tua, which we all assume will happen, good luck to him in the future. We can't wait to see what's on going next for all parties there. Speaking of the future, Carolina Panthers aren't ass. Hey, that's good news, right? Don't we think that's good news that they're not ass? Like, why do you think that is? Why do you think that is the case? It feels like the vibes around the whole team vastly different than it was just two years ago. Is it as easy as bringing in Morgan and Canales? Is it? What do you think you felt down there with this Panthers team?
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G
Well, I think they've been very, very particular in how they've built the team. Right. So Bryce's rookie year, he got sacked like 53, 53 times. So what are we going to do? We got to address the offensive line. We bring in Damian Lewis and Robert Hunt. In free agency, we have Austin Corbett and then we have two guys we drafted at both tackles. So in one off season, they fix the offensive line. Last year we did. We played really well up front. We've had some injuries. And then last year the issue was we're not very good on defense. We struggle up front. We don't have a ton of depth. So what do they do? You know, Derrick Brown comes back obviously from injury. They bring in Tershawn Wharton, they bring in Bobby Brown. They draft some guys in the printer, Nick Scorton and Princely. You mind me, Ellen, who's a Ole Miss guy. So we have a combination of free agency and then draft draft picks. And I think the one guy that's helped us a ton has been Trayvon Merrick. We brought him over from the Raiders. He's able to do a little bit of everything. He can line up as a safety, he can line up at the nickel position, he can line up at will, linebacker. He gives us a ton of versatility, versatility on the defensive side of the ball. So I think Dan and Dan and Dave have done a really good job of saying, hey, we need to control up front. So first offseason we go draft offensive line, bring offensive lineman in a free agency. Year two, we take care of the defense. And then year three, I think is where they are really expecting to kind of take off.
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A
Do you know the rest of the 53 man roster? And I'd like to hear everything about him, please. Could you.
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G
Hey, we've got, we've got good young players, everybody everywhere. And a lot of it is just, you got to grow with these young guys.
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H
Right.
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G
You know, on the offensive side of the ball, at the skill position, we've got J.T. sanders, second year tight end Jalen Coker is our slot guy we brought in. He's a, he's an undrafted free agent, but great size and catch radius year two, you know, Leggett, year two, our first round pick, T. Mac, great player year one. So it's a lot of that at that skill position. It's just young guys and you got to play with young guys when you have them and sometimes they're great, sometimes you have those, those young mistakes. But as overall, our young guys at skill position are great dudes. They play really hard and they're, they're going to continue to learn and they cook your ass.
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A
It'd be a milk check every single time with this guy right here. That's who they're looking for out there. Luke Canales seems to have a good brain down there for the offensive system with Bryce Young. Go ahead, D bud.
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D
Yeah, Luke, it's a lot of great brains right now on offense around the league. McVay, Ben Johnson, Shane, in your opinion, what's like the toughest offense to face right now? What makes like a great play call in your opinion?
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G
I think the ability to set plays up right. So they're going to show you a look. They're going to have two or three run plays off that look and they're going to have two or three pass plays off that look. And I think, you know, there's the, the Shanahan McVeigh. That pre snap motion, that pre snap shift I think is really good and just a good example that is, you know, McVay will line up or Shanahan will line up Kittle on one side of the offensive line and then line up Hugh check on the other side of the offensive line. And those guys are kind of interchangeable. So there's, there's really no run tell, there's no pass tell. They can check it at the line of scrimmage and then they start shifting and motioning and goes from 2 by 2 to 3 by 1 pre snap. And then on the snap there's a guy coming back across the formation. So they're going to give you so many looks pre snap they're going to shift guys, they're going to move guys as the ball gets snapped and all that does to the defense is it gets you moving sideways pre snap, it gets your communication off. Maybe it messes with safety rotation and then the ball gets snapped. Your Feet aren't set, you're not where you need to be. Your eyes are in the wrong spot. So then that half second that it takes you to get to where you need to be, they've got angles on you in the run game. KD run past you. They just do a great job of window dressing and showing you stuff, stuff. And then, boom, snap the ball and it's on you right now.
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A
Okay, so let's continue this conversation about what you just basically alluded to. There you go from two by two to three by one. So you close, close, close. Then quarterbacks also apple apple to the second play into the third. Different formation that they were in, but you were a little bit different on defensive side. Go ahead, aq.
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E
Yeah, Luke, I remember game planning for you when you were in Carolina, and it was always when you guys would go double a gap, we would always have to like dummy point just to try and get you off because you were so good at switching the blitzes, understanding the protection and getting the right check up. How much power and how much freedom did you have when you were doing that? Or was that more part of the call and part of the game plan?
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G
A lot of it was just part of what we were trying to do. And I think Sean McDermott was our coordinator for a long time in Carolina. He did a really good job of saying, hey, what do you guys like doing? What do you feel comfortable with? And then he'd go into the game and and say, hey, what are you guys seeing and hearing on the field? And then we're able to kind of switch stuff up during the game based on what we saw. Thomas Davis was really good at it too. So we had our set rules, and then inside of those rules, we had the ability to try to figure out, hey, if we're double mugged and the center comes to me, Thomas, you take over the blitz, right Then it's, you know, could be a one on one on the running back. Boom. If they turn the top, Thomas, then Luke, you go blitz and have a one on one at the running back. So we were just always trying to find ways within the defense, within the system to find the best opportunity to create an advantage for us.
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A
Was there anybody that you knew inside and out and you just couldn't give away that you knew them inside out? Like, you almost know it too good. We don't want them to know that we know it too good. So is there a couple plays where maybe you like, oh, you got me on that one. Like you kind of do there in early in the game, like, how did you play? Once you got a really good beat on somebody, which in our eyes, in the way you are talked about by literally everybody, is you had a good beat on everybody. But is there anybody that you had, like, locked in very early that you didn't want to give away, if that makes sense or not? Almost play poker with.
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G
Yeah, the. The most difficult group was always the Saints with. With Breeze and Sean Payton, because my whole time in Carolina, all eight years, it was Drew Brees and Sean Payton. So they knew us, we knew them. Our system on defense, we had three coordinators. McDermott left and then Steve Wilkes went to Arizona, and then we had Eric Washington. My last year. Our system was very similar year in and year out. Their system was very similar year in and year out. So it was always within that game. You were always thinking, why are they showing me this look right now? What does this look meant to show me that you know, then they're going to come back to it in the second half and run something off of it. So when we'd come to the sideline, we'd be like, all right, this is the formation, this is the look, this is the play that they ran. And then you kind of had to look at it from their perspective, an offensive perspective, and say, hey, what else can they do from this set that would give us issues? So that was kind of always the game within the game of. All right, this is what it looked like in the first quarter. This is what it's going to look like in the second quarter from their perspective. Where else can they attack us? And that's kind of what we looked at.
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A
How about Peyton Manning told Ray Lewis that they had 12? It's like one of the. It's a legendary clip where he's like, you got 12, Ray, you got 12, Ray, YOU got 12. And you see Ray like cause timeout and they actually. They actually do have 12 or whatever, you know. And Peyton, Ray obviously played against each other a lot. They have a lot of respect for each other. And I don't know why Peyton told him in that point other than just maybe do talk Ray that he alpha moves. Hey, I, I am in there. But for you, whenever it came to understanding what the other team was going to do and when did was that film study, you talked about it being live in there and is there anybody that you felt bad for? Was there anybody that after the game you were like, hey, you guys, literally the most predictable team in the history of football. Like that you need to maybe work on some stuff in that entire thing. Did anybody ever ask you about that? Like, hey, what are our giveaways to you? Would you ever give that up? Like, can you go behind the scenes a little bit as being known as the Nostradamus of football and how often offensive teams would treat relationship with you?
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G
Yeah, I think I always felt like in Carolina, our coaches did a great job of preparation. Hey, these are top run formations, These are top sets. This is where they're trying to get to. And then we would always talk about within our defense, what stresses us, where are the natural stressors that we have in our defense? And played a lot of, you know, cover three single high defense. We brought very some slot pressures. Where are the issues in that defense? So you'd always have that in the back of your mind. And then the film study to me was a huge advantage. You guys know how it is. You always look to find an advantage before the game starts. And for me, the film study was something that I really enjoyed. And if you could steal three or four plays during a game just based on what you've watched, I think it's super helpful. And that. And also the more you watch in the game, you know, in the NFL, the more you get a feel for how offenses are trying to attack teams. And that kind of carries over from, say we're playing Shanahan one week and then we go play, you know, McVay, and they're the same kind of a defense. Where did Shanahan give us issues? Because, you know, McVay went and watched that tape, and he's going to have something that's similar to that. So I think we did a great job in the meeting rooms with the coaches. We took practice very seriously. We wanted to get things right. We had a bunch of older guys on our team that loved practice and loved doing things right. And then we transition it to the film room after practice, and you kind of put all three of those together and you roll it out for the game and you feel pretty good about it.
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A
December 22nd, Monday Night Football playbook with next gen stats. Lou Kechley will be live in real time telling you exactly what every other team's gonna do along alongside an AI model that was one of the founders is Sean Lee, former NFL linebacker, and he's going to make a bazillion dollars off of this. I mean, if he's in the middle of an AI company that is now sponsoring a Monday Night Football. Simon. Congrats, Sean. Hey, Sean. Congratulations to you as well, Sean.
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D
You'll be calling out plays. Luke.
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A
Yeah.
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D
What's going Romo thing or.
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A
Yeah, how is that going to go?
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That's what we're.
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J
That's.
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G
That's what's going to be exciting. I think a lot of it'll be. You still got it?
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A
Do you still got it or no?
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G
I guess we got to tune in next week and see what's going on.
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D
It'll be.
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G
It'll be fun. I think I'm looking forward to most is I'll talk defensive perspective and then Orlofsky will have his side and we'll kind of. I'm sure there's going to be some back and forth on. Hey, this is what Dan sees. This is what I see. Hey, it's third and seven, you know, in the minus side of the field. What's the defensive perspective here? You know, everyone talks about. Talks about Pat, you know about this. On the plus side of the field, are we trying to bump a team out of field goal range? What's the approach? You know, is third and seven blitz package different than a third and three blitz package? I think that's all stuff that we're going to try to figure out and talk about during the game.
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A
Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. And Dan Orlovsky needs to tighten up here over the next couple. Yeah. What's today's date? December 17th. This is on 20th. This is Monday night.
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D
Dan's ready.
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A
He needs to be. I mean, there's chance you get exposed out there. Dan Orlovsky, Luke on the other side. I mean, everybody is a chance. He's got an AI model working against him potentially and a human AI in Luke Keakley. That Dan Orlovsky is the only non AI out there. Field Yates is fantasy football AI Right. Luke Kley is defensive football AI Right. I think if we were to get and then actual AI model founded by Sean Lee.
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C
Okay, so we got Soly and Wazowski. Orlowski coming in.
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A
Exactly. We were just doing Fun Day Monsters Inc. Last week.
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D
Dan Strange, baby.
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A
Dan, Tighten it up, Dan. Tighten it up. Dan, we need you out there. Dan might also need to be speaking to the humans that are watching that that aren't specifically dialed in to every single nose. About number three in the tray over there. But I am excited to kind of learn a lot more about ball, especially through your eyes. We're all such massive fans of yours and obviously your defense was a massive piece of making it to the super bowl that year feels like the cyclality word you would tell Me, I don't know. Boston College guy. The cyclality and the cyclicalness in the cyclic.
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B
Cyclical nature.
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A
Nature of football. Yeah, you got it. Just use that in the show. It feels like we have come back to a very physical style and maybe defense. Go ahead, Ty.
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B
Yeah, Luke. As we've been looking at the playoff picture over the last several weeks, it's become very apparent that there's maybe like four teams on both the NFC and AFC who could win the Super Bowl.
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A
Hold on one second. Put it up, please. Put it up. You can use it, buddy. Boom. Okay. You can use it. Thank you. It's a word. Go ahead, Ty.
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B
And like all eight of those teams, they all have unbelievable defenses. And we had Bruce Arians on yesterday and asked him that question and he basically said like, that's important. But if you don't have a quarterback who can score 30 points a game in the playoffs, it doesn't mean you're not going to win a Super Bowl. But would you be surprised if we're going back to that, that like maybe, you know, like a 2000 Ravens where if you have a truly elite defense and it's the best part of your team, then you don't necessarily need like a Josh Allen or one of those top five QBs in order to win a Super Bowl.
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G
Well, I think if you talk to anybody in the afc, the last team that they want to play right now is the Houston Texans. I mean that, that defense has played extremely well. D', Ameco, Ryan or d' Ameco has those guys rolling and I think they're going to keep getting better on offense. C.J. stroud probably hasn't had the year that he's won wanted, but they're, they're big, they can run. Nico Collins is a really good football player. So I think the defenses certainly play a role in this. But I think, you know, I don't disagree. I think having guys like Josh Allen always gives you an opportunity to win games. But on that afc, you got the Broncos and you got the Texans. Those defenses are really daggone good.
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A
Yeah. Here's what the current playoff picture looks like. And to your point about the Houston Texans, they could be the seven seed. They could have end up AFC south champion. I mean, there's a chance they have to take on anybody. But if it's Patriots, Texans, obviously Drake May and the Patriots have been successful. Travion Henderson has done his thing, but the Houston Texans make everybody's offense look like ass. They, they literally, they bring the boo Birds out every single time they are playing in somebody else's stadium because of how great they are. So if you have an elite quarterback, I guess that's the only way you can really beat them like Josh Allen just did coming back from being down 21. So I guess Bruce Arian's point is valid, but it used to be like you just need a defense that's like able to get a stop whenever you need it. Now it feels like some of these defenses are full game pounding lower score type games. Is that what the playoffs look like? I don't know. I'll be excited to see what the fan reaction will be if it is a defensive dominant run to the super bowl for any of these squads. We can't wait to watch it. Good representatives in the AFC and the nfc, hey, we are in a good place when it comes to ball up and to the right everything. And that starts tomorrow night. Thursday night football, Rams and Seahawks. And then Monday night Colts versus Niners. And that'll have a playbook with next gen stats available alongside of it with Luke Keighley's big ass brain breaking it all down.
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D
Philip Rivers.
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A
Yeah, Luke. You think, you think Phil Rivers is going to be predictable, Luke? Yeah, fucking right. Okay, good luck. You might, you might get it all wrong out there, brother. Okay. You might have no shot. We'll have it on in the, in the suite. We will have it audio all the way up so we sound smart whenever we're watching. And I'll be excited for you to continue to add to this world of analytics while also using ball. Now on that point, last question. Go ahead, con man.
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C
Yeah, Luke from Massachusetts. Last time I went to a B.C. football game, you were playing on the field. Thank you for your service and thank you for kind of showing me I will never be successful at playing college football because of how good you were. But looking at the analytics and the stats, you know, this is, is what your Monday Night Football is centered around. How do you feel about NFL coaches kind of centering their decision making around statistics? It feels like it's going to be part of football no matter what. Analytics, you know, they do help, but sometimes they, they hurt you more than you help you. How do you feel about that entire thing really with coaches using it to decide whether to go for fourth down, to punt the ball, those types of things?
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G
Well, I think, I think the advantage is when you trust the numbers. If you're going to be an analytics guy, the best way to be is to say, hey, every time it says go, we go Every time it says don't go, we don't go. I think when you get in trouble is when you're like, you get emotion, gets involved into the decision and you say, hey, it's a strong, strong go for it. Hey, we're not feeling it. The momentum's not there. Our guys aren't rolling in the right direction. I think in order to be successful over time using the analytics, and that's ultimately the goal of why you use analytics. It's not. Not for the isolated time, it's for, hey, over the course of the season, if we listen to what the numbers are going to say, we're going to have an advantage over teams that don't. That's the best way to do it. And the worst way to do it is to kind of pick and choose and get emotional. And when you get emotional, things, things don't work out and the models don't work the way they're supposed to.
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D
Oh, no, I think the numbers, I think they got Luke. That doesn't sound like no.
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A
Well, he's got Olson, right? It's him. And it's JJ versus football. You know, I mean, we don't love it. And also he's doing an analytics now show.
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D
Sounds like black guy hates ball.
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A
Hey, don't forget ball, Luke. Please don't forget that these are humans. I know you're not one, huh?
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G
It's still ball. You asked me the question about analytics.
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D
And you just gotta.
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G
You gotta trust it. If you're an analytics guy, you gotta trust it and take the emotion out of it. Didn't say when I coached seventh and eighth grade football. That's how we do it. We lean a little bit more into emotion. But for the. There we go.
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D
I'm coming back.
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A
Full circle guy. Yeah. Push comes to shove, we know what you'll do. Yeah, whatever you need to win with your big brain. I need you to help me here. And it doesn't look like you eat any of these. Last night, the only sweets that are available at my house was this box of chocolates. I went, O for three. I want O for three. And I had a lot of people tell me, you need to look at the legend to know what they are. There was no legend on this box. Okay? This was an actual box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. I want oh for three. The first three. All three ass ones. You know that raspberry one that's in there? Some other ass one. Some other ass one. Which one would you go with next Here, Luke. Just using your brain and ability to predict things. If you had to look at this.
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G
Particular box of chocolates, reading the legends, like reading instructions, you just. You don't do it. You just go in there and dig in and find the one that looks the best. I mean, the first one that grabs my eye is that one with the white icing on. On top of it.
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A
The drizzle or the sprinkle.
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G
The drizzle one. That one looks good to me. Looks like it would have a little crunch. Might have, like a caramel. Caramel filling on the inside. That one looks.
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A
That's not.
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D
Yeah.
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C
I might be cooking.
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A
You don't eat.
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C
Sweet.
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A
We'll see you on Monday night. We appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you for your service. The ball. You're the man. Thanks, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, Luke Kikley. That drizzle one has the. The soft inside cream. That's going to. That's probably the fourth worst one in that thing.
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B
Yeah. He's never eaten out of one of those boxes before because in the, I don't know, 100 years they've been doing that. That one with the white drizzle on top has never had caramel inside of it once.
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A
Yeah. And I didn't select it because I knew there was probably some ass in there. But I'm going to say they're disguising these ones pretty good now. I thought I had the peanut. One peanut cluster multiple times. And it was something vastly different. I'm.
- [55:52]
C
Wow.
- [55:53]
A
Want a couple of those.
- [55:54]
C
Nightmare.
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A
So then I go to the next one. Like, let me go get this one. Raspberry inside. That did not. You used to look different.
- [56:00]
B
Those ones are deceiving, though. If you don't have the legend, those will. Because those sometimes do look like they have caramel in the center.
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A
Oh, for three. That's tough.
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F
That's tough.
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A
I, I, Yeah.
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B
Put. Put the top back on.
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J
Done with this thing.
- [56:12]
D
Yeah. That's why.
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C
See you tomorrow.
- [56:13]
D
Assortment of things. I hate random. I like to know exactly what I'm getting. I want 12 of the same thing.
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A
I want Reese's. All of them. That's what I want. But I'll let you know. The reality of the situation was I had that thing staring at me and I opened it and, boy, I did one of these. Blew the new healer dog running into my leg trying to figure this thing out. Please sit. I'll give you one. Can't. This thing probably could just eat that whole thing of chocolate and survive. This thing's a house horse. It's out of rage. But he was laughing at me too. Gave him a couple hoo hoo hoo. As I was in the middle of it, I'm like, you need to get off my ass.
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D
Dogs still can't eat chocolate.
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B
No.
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C
Never.
- [56:51]
D
We gotta evolve, man.
- [56:52]
A
Come on. It's like the Achilles. The Achilles four dogs. Even if this thing's a horse, which it clearly is.
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D
This is Marshawn Lynch, AKA Beast mode.
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A
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D
It's good to be right. Must be present in certain states.
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A
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E
PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X and S and PC. Rate a T for teen.
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B
Football.
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A
He is awesome. And week 16 of the NFL season Kill kicks off tomorrow as the NFC west will be on showcase as the Los Angeles Rams with Matthew Stafford MVP at the age of 39, 40 years old.
- [58:49]
B
Good for me.
- [58:50]
A
Potentially leading a Rams team that could be the number one seed. Leading a Rams team that could win another Super Bowl. Leading a Rams team that was supposed to be in the middle of a turnover, heading up to Seattle to take on a brand new Seahawks culture brought to it by McDaniel or McDonald. I'm sorry, not McDaniel. McDonald. Daniel just fired his quarterback. McDonald up there in Seattle with Sam Darnold leading the way on the offensive side with a run game and a defense that is obviously incredible. Seattle and the Twelves will be on display 5:15 local time. We got to remember that. Yeah. Okay. So every time we have prime time game, we're obviously excited. People are out of work, have been out of work, have a chance to even go home, get changed, head to Stadium. Thursday, 5:15 local time. Okay, so that's an interesting kind of dynamic for this. They'll figure it out. They're a great trip fan base. But I'm excited to see Seattle on full display, especially in a divisional rivalry game for the number one and winning of the division, basically. So tomorrow should be special. That's what Week 16 will kick off with in the NFL. And then the college football. We got the playoffs, baby.
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D
Boom.
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A
We got the playoffs this week. Friday, it's Oklahoma. We got a college game day, I believe. Two hours, six to eight live from Oklahoma as Alabama will travel to take on the Sooners. Cannot wait, wait for this particular matchup. Think it's going to be a beautiful one. Bama favored by one and a half on the road. And then we'll travel down to College Station. College game day will be nine to noon, noon kickoff as A and M hosts the Miami Hurricanes. And then at 3:30 on Tru TV, Tulane will take on Ole Miss and JMU will finish out the day taking on Oregon in Austin on TruTV as 21 point underdogs. Live from Hammer. Done.
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H
Done.
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A
AP Tone. Bama Favorite in Oklahoma. A and M favored by three. Any surprises on those numbers and what are you looking forward to most this first weekend of the College Football Playoff?
- [60:40]
J
No, I don't think there's any surprises in those first two games as far as the number or any game as far as the number is concerned. Bama outgained Oklahoma in that first game. It was now it was at Alabama by 200 yards. They kind of dominated the game, but there was a pick six for Oklahoma's defense and they forced two fumbles.
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A
That.
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J
That was kind of the story of the game in that one. The Oklahoma defense got the better of it as far as the turnovers were concerned. So like, yes, Alabama should be favorable. But also Alabama has kind of played like shit since then. They had a close one against Auburn. They obviously got blown out in the SEC championship against Georgia and Oklahoma's had some time to potentially get their offense fixed and get back to kind of what they were at the beginning of the season. So that was kind of a coin flip and the line shows that. And then when you go to A and M and Miami, when you go to minus three, like when you're looking at sportsbooks and numbers, the home field advantage is normally around two and a half to three points. So they're, if you, if you want to look at it like that, they kind of have these two teams as even, which is, is kind of what everyone else thinks is as well. They are very evenly matched. They have, they both have incredible D lines, they both have incredible offensive lines and they have playmakers on the outside on both sides of the ball. So that one kind of has those two teams rated evenly. Which, which I don't disagree with with that all. Then obviously you have the two big spreads between the, the more dominant teams versus the group of five teams.
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A
Tulane plus 17 and a half.
- [62:03]
J
We like new.
- [62:05]
A
Really?
- [62:06]
C
They lost to UTSA.
- [62:08]
J
So like here's the thing with J. Jmu and Tulane.
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B
Listen.
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J
And the Roadrunners are very, very good at home. I think we're holding too much. We're, I think we're, we're, we're doing too lane a disservice or the Roadrunners a disservice with that.
- [62:19]
A
Okay, but I don't see the Roadrunners in the first weekend of College Football Playoff. But hey, maybe, maybe they should be something to think they got a gripe especially with how bad they beat the hell out of the number 11 team in the country in the College football playoff.
- [62:32]
J
But JMU, like statistically is top 10 in basically every single stat on defense. Their defense has been dominant. Their offense is number five in the country in rushing at like 245, 250 yards a game. But their strength of schedule is 121st, so they haven't really done it again. So. But at least, at least the teams they play, they dominate. Tulane still not a great schedule and their stats aren't great either.
- [62:56]
A
So, you know, and our coach, what is already in Florida.
- [62:58]
C
Yeah, yeah. At halftime he's leaving.
- [63:00]
A
No, well, no half time.
- [63:03]
J
Great job. He's sleeping two hours. He's doing his job both places. He donated $100,000 back to Tulane.
- [63:08]
A
Very nice of him, him putting a Florida hat on at halftime to call some recruits and then putting a two lane visor back on for the second.
- [63:15]
C
Gotta go, gotta go.
- [63:15]
A
I mean that's just multitasking to a T. And I appreciate the fact that he's still doing it with Tulane and they're still trying to go for it, but that dude definitely only cares about what Florida's got going on.
- [63:25]
B
Yeah, he knows I can't win at all.
- [63:27]
J
JMU is the same. JMU's head coaches going to UCLA.
- [63:31]
A
He was.
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B
He was actually just on Jim Rome. I think it was either yesterday or two days ago. And I don't know if there was one question about jmu. They're playing in a playoff game on Friday. He was just getting hammered about ucla.
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A
Saturday it was. Who cares?
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J
Further away.
- [63:46]
A
What's that?
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D
They better enjoy it because it'll be a long road getting there from ucla. Big back to your shot to shine.
- [63:52]
A
Yeah, Rose bowl is obviously awesome, but the Big Ten is going to be a tough, tough road to get to the college football playoffs. So maybe he should enjoy every moment there with jmu. And also maybe this isn't it for JMU boys. Look big looked at a great new head coach. Is he coaching this weekend? No.
- [64:09]
J
Billy Napier, obviously he's going to be on the sidelines, though.
- [64:11]
C
Yeah, he's going there for a year and that's. And then he's going somewhere else.
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A
No, we don't know if that's true with Billy Napier, but maybe there's a chance that it happens. That's ladies and gentlemen, that's AP Tone. Thank you. Joining us now is a man who's won a college football national championship, a guy who will be on the sideline down there at College Station calling for the field pass. Espn people thought that was a giveaway. Yeah. But a lot of people at Texas A and M sending me messages and tweets and stuff like that saying, hey, for your field pass. Me and my husband have been die hard. Texas A and M Aggie fans. We would love to stand on the sideline with you as if it was like a giveaway. Giveaway. And I want to tell them you can be on silent with us just through ESPN2. We will be on in the simulcast. But the field pass for some reason I think got. I don't know if it got on a message board or something, but there was an abundance of people that were like, hey, how do I win the field pass? Me and my friend have obviously been die hard. Aggies used to be a yell leader 20 years ago looking to get back like all those types of things. So we will not be having anybody else with with us. His credentials are actually very difficult to get. You have to have very important jobs to get down there. And obviously whenever you're standing on a sideline trying not to ruin a game and being dipshits who Are incredibly lucky that is deemed acceptable, I guess, and we are confused by it as well. But we will be down there and we are very thankful for it. Not only us down there, it will also be, ladies and gentlemen, super bowl champion all time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, AJ Hawkins Parker. Just a few days from college football playoff field pass, brother. This is a great time of year. How are you feeling just a few days out?
- [65:44]
I
I'm feeling great. I think it's going to be awesome. I think the whole college football playoffs will be great. But this game is kind of a marquee matchup, I think in this first round and looking forward, hopefully there is a, you know, a random couple there gets to stand there and stare at us. Do the simulcast.
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A
Yeah. And maybe there will be. And there'll be somebody that'll be holding a monitor and that person will just be out to lunch. Just no idea what's going on. Had never seen football before, has no idea what we're doing there. But certainly getting a paycheck for them being there and we're appreciative of them getting a job. But there will be a little self awareness class that'll be happening throughout the entire first quarter. We assume Spanks will be doing his thing.
- [66:19]
C
Please.
- [66:20]
A
Dropping in from the uprights onto our head telling us we need to back up because he's got a shot that needs to be on TV for 14 seconds. So, you know, that will all happen. This has kind of become a part of the field pass process, but we're incredibly lucky to do it. We're very thankful for the folks from Texas A and M for being as hospitable as they have been. And also Mario Crispball in Miami. We're getting a production meeting. We'll get a chance to talk to the coaches before calling the game.
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C
Let's go.
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A
That has never happened before, A.J. this is a big deal, A.J.
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I
Yeah, this is a very big deal. If you remember, we had me and you had a production meeting years ago with Matt Rule when he was at Baylor and that was. That was a fun experience. So, yeah, I'm excited to talk to these coaches.
- [66:55]
A
Yeah, I'm excited to get a little bit of a heads up on what we should be looking for as opposed to just getting dropped in there blind without being able to see anybody's names or numbers or anything like that. So should be a fun time, fun experience. And in theory, the show should get better because of this.
- [67:08]
D
It should. I love the insight we're going to get from these coaches. I got some good questions to ask.
- [67:13]
A
I think just one question probably for each of us. We promised them a six minute call, so. Perfect. Yeah. So let's make sure we're not taking a lot of their time, but yeah, that's a classic. Hey, just need, you know, somebody will come up and try to pitch something in life and they'll say, I just need five minutes of your time. Way too much. Never expect five minutes from anybody's time. That is a crazy number to say. 90 seconds sounds amazing. That's going to be five seconds or five minutes, probably six minutes. But you need to get in the door with 90 seconds. That's what we did with these production meetings. Hey, we just need five minutes. Just five minutes. Can we just get a little bit of a thing that obviously is going to creep into 8, 9, maybe 10, but we can't be getting to 15. That would be egregious. So we just got to know that there is a sliding window of amount of time that there is expecting. And it's not a lot. We can steal a few on the back end, but we need to be respectful at the time. And dbut you getting more questions than the rest of us, definitely you'll be in front of the line.
- [68:03]
D
I just need one. Just one good one.
- [68:04]
A
No, no. But you go front of line and then we'll go back. But if there's another rep, you'll be in the front of the line. You know, like off season workouts, the terrible workouts.
- [68:12]
D
Yep.
- [68:13]
A
What part of the line you're in is obviously a massive piece of the amount of reps that you're going to get. So you don't want to be too obvious that you're trying to get to the back of the line. So you try to sneak in maybe two from the end because they are going to attack the people that are at the back and put them into the front because that's an extra rep. You see, if this is a three minute drill and there's a certain amount, the people at the front of the line are going to get the extra until the time runs out. So I learned that early. I was in front of the line early because I wanted to be a guy, you know, I'll go first.
- [68:40]
D
Freshman, set the tone.
- [68:41]
A
Why is everybody. Why is everybody so. Yeah, Pat, go ahead. And then I get through. Oh, my God. Then I got to go again. Oh, no, bad idea. So next year, sophomore year, obviously we don't want to go all the way to the back. I played poker since, you know, I'm 10 years old. We can't be overselling this thing. So you go from two, you know, from the end, get in there, and then all of a sudden, classic. Next year, Rich Rod grabs the entire back line, puts him up in the front, says, congratulations, and now guess who's smarter than everybody? I felt like a genius. Next year did the same thing. Fun game. He took the entire back half, put it up in the front half of the line. So, you know, you're always evolving, always changing, but you certainly can be front of the line whenever it comes to questions, so that if we get to the front and we steal another minute or two, you can get it because your insight during the game is special. Same with you, A.J. i think we try to provide actual ball knowledge while calling the game and following the game while providing something different. I do think we try that, and I think we've kind of gotten to the point where we kind of know it, Ty?
- [69:41]
B
Yeah, I think so. I mean, we. At this point, how many of these that we've done, you know, it's been more that we've been doing this for several years now, and I think that's just natural with the. For, like, you. Like, you mentioned this, like, a couple weeks ago. The first time you do it, it's like, okay, when you're on the sideline, we get. We got to follow the ball. So, like, you. You, AJ And D. Butt are just, like, kind of just walking around the perimeter of the entire field, and you realize, like, oh, I just missed basically everything that happened on that drive, trying to see everything. So we got our spots, you know, like, everyone kind of knows, especially, I think, me, Diggs and Connor. Like, we kind of know which spot spots are that. Hey, this is a good. A good portion for you to maybe have something, you know, Whereas at the start, it's kind of just like, you know, we're just trying to get our feet wet here and find out where we fit in. And at this point, I think, like, we kind of know how this experience is supposed to go, and we don't.
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A
Want to do a disservice to ball. Right? Yeah, we understand we're having an opportunity that we should not have on that sideline. We're on ESPN2 for a college football playoff game, and we're standing on the field in front of 100. How many. How many people, Tone at Cal field down there?
- [70:39]
J
100, 110 is the record.
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A
Okay. Playoff game, let's assume it'll be 110,000 people. We very much Understand, we're not supposed to be there. And we're very grateful for the opportunity to provide an alternative to the main broadcast. Obviously. Kirk, Curb street, is it. No, it's McDonough, I think. Right. Because I think Herbie's calling Oklahoma the night before.
- [70:59]
B
Yes. So It'd probably be McDonough and McElroy.
- [71:01]
A
Okay. So McDonough and McElroy will be on the call. We're on ESPN, too. Just alternative, you know, if you want to come hang with us, we will certainly be grateful. And this is one of the really, really, really, really cool parts of licensing the show through ESPN and having access to this. So we're very, very thankful for the opportunity. Also, shout out to Peyton and Omaha who had this slot, and then say, hey, do you want this slot now? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. We won't just worry about this other one over here. You got it. At the beginning of us having this alt cast deal, we did a couple in here. It was okay. It was okay.
- [71:37]
C
I mean, Mississippi State, AL 31, nothing that. That wasn't okay. When we just threw the ball.
- [71:42]
B
Set a world record.
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A
Yeah, true. Most completions during a blowout football game in the history of television, I would say. So we didn't. We didn't have it. And we felt bad that we had the opportunity and it was ass. The show was ass. Like, we did not think it was good for ball. Once again, lucky to have these opportunities. Let's provide something for the good of Ball at least a little bit. Even though I'm not everybody's cup of tea. So I ruin it for the rest of the crew to even have an opportunity because I'm a part of some things. But we do like to at least add and provide. The first few were bad. Soon as we got on the sideline, it was like, this is. This is the one that we're supposed to be. Mostly me, ex punter, kicker. I mean, I've been on sideline watching football a long time. Like that is literally what my job was for a long time. And then AJ And D. Buck get a chance to feel it and see it, and then the boys getting a chance to experience something that they could have never experienced. Their natural brains and talent is going to point out things. So I think we've got something that is good for ball as an alternative. And we're different than all the other outcasts, just like Luke Keakley and Dan Orlovsky and Field Yates. It's different than everything else. I'm excited to see how it comes together.
- [72:45]
B
Yeah, I was going to say definitely don't be expecting the Monday Night Football playbook with next gen stats if you're coming to watch our alt cast on Saturday.
- [72:53]
A
Yeah, because we, we have no idea. We would like to stre this again so you give us a little bit of grace whenever we're doing it. I am calling play by play for these games. I have no idea if it was a five yard gain or two yard loss from where we were, which is a pretty important thing, especially whenever it's third down or fourth down. So there is a little bit of that where I'm just watching Jumbotron trying to figure out what the hell happens. But other than that we think we provide a pretty good vibe. So we hope you'll come hang with us and shout to Texas A and M. I think we're getting, I think we're getting a full Aggie.
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E
It's gonna be sweet matchup too.
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D
Good matchup, obviously that matters. It been a good game. We've had the opportunity to be on the sideline. Some great games and obviously some shite games. I expect this one to be a banger.
- [73:32]
A
Yeah. And J.J. watt has no idea what it's like to do this on television for 25 minutes, you know, because the game is 30 to nothing in the fourth quarter. There's still three minutes left there in that game. There's still another 25 minutes and that's what we decided to do just basically for the entirety. So now we're on sidelines. So look how far we've come. It's good time to catch up with this outcast thing that we've been doing because this one's much better than the alternative. Joining us now is a man who's in the booth. Must be nice with a spotter, must be nice with some food. Must be nice. An absolute legend who's earned all of it. A future first ballot hall of Famer, a Houston Texan legend and member of the Bull Ring of Honor. Ladies and gentlemen, the owner of the Burnley Football Club which I watched the other day. It was on TV this weekend. I think it was on NBC or something this weekend.
- [74:17]
C
Did they win?
- [74:18]
A
No, I don't think so. From the part that I saw they were. They were not, they were not winning at all but. And also the Espanol soccer duper team over there in Spain. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Wat Yeah J Sup J?
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H
Hey guys, how we doing? I was just thinking this as you were talking about the all cast and I was just looking at the visual of all you guys on the sideline of Kyle Field. Have you ever done a MySpace top eight style ranking of the boys, like every week, like who's your best friend, who's on top of the show, who's crushing, who's not.
- [74:51]
A
Now that's also Dance moms. I know what you're talking about. Like a pyramid type thing, you know. Everybody's going to be fighting up the pyramid for the opportunity. We're all equals here, brother. You know, we're all equals here. And everybody has the best week every week in their own ways. And once everybody starts thinking, then we'll.
- [75:07]
H
Start ranking participation trophies all around. Boys, congrats on the participation. You did it. You did it.
- [75:14]
A
We're up 17.
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H
Don't keep score, baby. Don't keep score.
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A
They are keeping score. We're up 17. Everybody's doing great. Hey boys.
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H
Everybody's doing great.
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A
Everybody's doing great. Really good job, boys. Really good job, boys. Up 17%. We're up a lot last year and we're up another one. Yeah. So everybody jj. Everybody's doing good. Thanks. Everybody gets a juice box.
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H
All right.
- [75:36]
A
Is Burnley worth a fuck? Is anybody getting judged over there?
- [75:45]
H
That is going to be a good matchup. You guys are going to be on the sidelines for.
- [75:48]
A
Hey, we need you sometime to join us obviously, because your height might help you.
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H
Actually, Kyle Field is. Yeah, I've always said this, I've said this a long time. If I was designing a football stadium, Kyle Field would be the beginning template for. For what I would design.
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A
Okay, so have you been there? Because I think dbut's landing in Houston then driving over there. I think that it is in proximity of each other. Texas, obviously, massive state. I've gotten a chance to go down there with game day. I haven't seen a game there. I've only seen it from tv. It is awesome. What a special place, right? Is that kind of how everybody.
- [76:17]
H
Unbelievable atmosphere. Yeah. They obviously they got their. Some of their weird things that they do, but somehow it all works. And on game day it is phenomenal.
- [76:26]
I
What's weird?
- [76:27]
C
What's weird?
- [76:29]
H
I mean, I think they self admit that it's weird, but just some of the things that they do, just non traditional, just different than other places but.
- [76:40]
I
Like college traditions that people have that we don't understand because we don't go there. Is that what it is?
- [76:44]
H
Yes, it's exactly what I'm talking about.
- [76:47]
A
Hey, I like age going to bat for the Texas A M people. I like.
- [76:51]
I
I'm Looking forward to it.
- [76:52]
A
Can I. Can I.
- [76:53]
H
That hype up Texas A M. Now.
- [76:54]
A
You'Re burying them, I think is what.
- [76:56]
I
Aj I was trying to help you there. I was trying to help, but it's not weird, right?
- [76:59]
H
No, no, no. I'm a novice. This isn't what you. Yeah, but you don't. You don't just blindly toss the praise out and act like they're. Everything is 100 awesome.
- [77:11]
A
Like.
- [77:11]
H
Like we can. We can be honest about things and be like, yeah, if you looked at it from the out, there's. There's some things that people from other places look at and are like, oh, right. Yeah, that's. That's your thing. I got. That's how you guys do it.
- [77:24]
A
I got it.
- [77:25]
H
But what I was saying, if I could get back to it, was that when it all comes together on game day, it's unbelievable. Everybody is packed on top of you. This is not one of those stadiums that they left extra room so that you could have soccer games and concerts and everything. They smushed this thing to the sidelines. They built it directly up into the sky, and everything's looking down on you. It seems like that student section is going to topple on the field. And when they play that power coming out onto the field, it is. That place is cool. It's really, really special. So I think it's going to be great. And obviously home of Shane Lechler, so you got to give the shout out.
- [78:01]
A
We'll obviously talk about Shane Leckler, who needs to be in the hall of Fame stat. I mean, that is. That is not even a question. Shane and Vinnie going in same time would make a lot of sense, I think, because that's how kind of everybody kind of views those two respective positions. But Shane Lechler stud goes there as quarterback. Right. Then he goes there as a quarter quarterback.
- [78:16]
H
Yep.
- [78:17]
A
RC Slocum can still spin it. Can still absolutely spin it if he had to. Dude, perfect. Also down there, your business partners. Kyle went downer.
- [78:25]
H
There you go. Yep. Chuck something off the top deck. See if you can hit something.
- [78:31]
A
Maybe we do do that. Maybe we send somebody. That's a good idea.
- [78:35]
B
J.J. tyler's done it before.
- [78:36]
H
You're welcome. This sucker's always working up here. Except for when it's not.
- [78:41]
A
Makes sense if you don't think about it. Let's go ahead and dump that because that is a really good, good idea. So let's. Let's make sure that doesn't get out. We should have. You guys should maybe be Standing up on the top, on top of each other.
- [78:53]
H
You guys should stand at the bottom and try and catch it.
- [78:56]
A
Oh, not a bad idea.
- [78:57]
C
Marshmallow, maybe.
- [78:58]
A
Oh.
- [78:59]
H
Or a football or a bowling ball.
- [79:02]
C
Sure, bowling ball. That'd be easy.
- [79:06]
A
All right, so this weekend, College Football playoff is awesome. The NFL, too. We're an incredible time. Tomorrow night, Rams and Seahawks kick off. Week 16. Saturday night, we got important football. Sunday night we got important football. Monday night we got important football. Feels like it's special, but also, if you look at the playoff picture currently, there's a chance we have no idea how this is all going to shape up. What are kind of your thoughts on this NFL season as this is the current playoff picture, but also, none of this is set in stone. And for the first time since 2016, we enter a week 16 with no divisional champions yet. It feels like it's all very much up in the air.
- [79:40]
H
J. I feel like for fans, I mean, obviously outside of Kansas City, Philadelphia, in a couple of places that have traditionally kind of been there year after year, this is going to be the most fun playoffs that we've had in a while. From a standpoint of it feels like we're going in and anybody could beat anybody, and you have no idea what's going to happen. And so as somebody who's obviously out of the game now, this is such a blast to watch because every week it feels like something new is happening. Somebody new's popping up. Now you've got the Broncos sitting there at 12 and 2, and I think. I think the Rams. Thursday night's going to be awesome, insane. Because I think the Seahawks and Rams over there in the NFC are cream of the crop, and that'll be fun to see them both play. I don't love that it's on a short week where they don't get the full prep. I'd love to see it at full force, but who knows? Maybe we see it again at some point. But this playoffs, to me, tell me if I'm wrong, feels like one of the first in a long time where you're not penciling people in to move forward easily.
- [80:38]
A
No, absolutely not. And down the stretch, everything can kind of change, too, which is special. I think the Rams are the only team we're all, all kind of high on. But then they lose to the Panthers three weeks ago, and we turned our tune quickly. I mean, all it is one loss to change the entire picture, especially with three weeks remaining in the NFL season. Go ahead, A.J.
- [80:58]
I
Yeah, J.J. when you look at those AFC teams over there in the, in the playoff picture right now, I guess which team do you trust the most to go on a run and potentially make it into the Super Bowl?
- [81:08]
H
I mean, obviously, I mean, the Texans defense is unbelievable. And if C.J. stroud plays like he has recently where they're starting to figure themselves out, I obviously, obviously have a lot of high hopes for the Houston Texans. I think when you play defense at that level now, they've definitely lost some guys to injuries, which has hurt them a little bit, especially on the interior of that defensive line, which helps out the entire defense. But I mean, I've said this for a few weeks now, like the Jaguars are underrated and I feel like they get disrespected a bit at many turns here. They're just quietly going about their business and improving every single game and Trevor Lawrence is getting better and they're meshing together. So I think that's happened. And then I just got to watch it last weekend live and I'll see it again this weekend when Josh Allen goes Superman mode. You can't stop them. Like he, when he goes into that mode and they decide like they were down 21 to zero on the road in a hat and T shirt game and they found a way to turn around. And then I asked them to put together the stats because I have them again this weekend. Josh Allen's first half to second half stats are unbelievable. Let me, let me lay this out for you here. First half, 64 completion percentage. Second half, 75%. First half, 95 yards per game. Second half, 139 yards per game. First half, 10 touchdowns, 6 interceptions. Second half, 15 touchdowns, 4 interceptions. Now here's where I think it is the biggest difference and here's why I think it's different. Rushing Josh Allen the first half, 35 rushes, 146 yards, three touchdowns. Josh Allen the second half, 63 rushes, 389 yards, nine touchdowns. I think the defenses get worn out trying to contain him, keep him in the pocket and keep this team bottled up. And the Patriots did an unbelievable job in the first half keeping him bottled up. But I think you just get fatigued over the course of a game, playing tight man, playing all these contains of the the pocket. And then he just wears you down over the course of the game, sees you get tired and takes full advantage.
- [83:09]
A
It's the old Derek Henry conversation whenever he was with the Titans. It's like, hey, what the first half's gonna look like versus what the fourth quarter is gonna look like very different with Derek Henry now. That's because he was literally thumping him. You're saying the amount of effort that they are trying to put in into keeping him contained can wear you down a little bit. Stay with Superman that you're talking about.
- [83:26]
D
With Josh Allen kind of seemed inevitable and it's gonna be tough. We're talking about about it yesterday. It's going to be tough for me at least to pick another team and quarterback specifically against Josh Allen once these playoffs starts with Mahomes out of it. But you've had their, your eye on them. Is there enough around Josh Allen as far as the weapons on offense and then the defense, especially that run defense. Do you think it's enough for them to actually make a run when the playoffs come?
- [83:50]
H
I mean, I think the defense is the question. I think on offense, I think they, I think their tight ends are such a massive key. I mean you look at the numbers when Dalton Kincaid's on the field versus when he's off the field, when he's out there, he's able to do so much. James Cook is second leading rusher in the league. Could possibly get up there in the first category like just running all over. When he runs wild, their offense clicks. So I do think there's enough on the offensive side of the ball because Josh is Josh. The defense is where you start to wonder and question about it now. You have to give them credit. While they got torched in the first half this last week, they did lock it down in the second half and they found a way to get close that game out. Massive moments, they made plays. So you give them credit there. But even the week before against Cincinnati, you know, the big turnovers for touchdowns, they needed those big plays to do it. So if their defense can tighten it up, that's where it is. But like you said, D but Superman is Superman and that Kansas City is not standing there in the way anymore. And I don't like that. It's a consistent caveat that we're throwing, but it is what it is. That's the reality.
- [84:55]
A
Put skateboard, baby, you know, especially whenever it's cold weather, what he's going to be able to do, we just believe in Josh Allen. And I think, you know, the only thing that's waiting on a Josh Allen resume to be goaded is Lombardi, you know, and that's what all anybody says, can he win? Can he win? Can he win? It's the same conversation that's happened with Lamar. No matter how great you are, no matter how many MVPs no matter how many capes Superman capes you put on and win games or how special you look like, then you get to a stage where it's like, well, how many Lombardi's do you have? Can you win the Lombardi? Because that'll be held against you forever. Is this the year that Josh Allen changes that start with hard knocks.
- [85:29]
D
Yeah.
- [85:30]
A
Announces a pregnancy, gets married and wins a Lombardi. Wow. What a run for Josh Allen.
- [85:38]
D
That would be that franchise too. Well, you know, because they had the four. Four straight years going. Losing it. If he can actually bring one to that. Imagine that we all respect, you know, Bill's Moffat mafia as a fit. Well, most of us respect him as a fan base. That'd be crazy if 17 new stadium.
- [85:53]
A
I mean this would be like the send off of the last thing. Oh my. It's all. It's almost all written in the stars.
- [85:58]
D
Yeah.
- [85:59]
A
It's all there. Are they still calling him ugly? No.
- [86:04]
C
Yeah. We don't have to get into that. I don't think after the pregnancy.
- [86:08]
B
Yeah.
- [86:08]
A
Let's just say he's not ugly. He's handsome.
- [86:12]
I
You know, you got to tell me.
- [86:14]
C
You don't got to tell me me.
- [86:15]
A
He's 6 foot 5.
- [86:17]
H
Talking about here.
- [86:18]
A
What's the.
- [86:19]
C
Haley Steinfeld heads the Stein fans. The Stein Stein fan stands. They think Josh is ugly. J.J. it's messed up.
- [86:27]
A
That's what they said. We don't like it at all. We've actually had to go to bat a couple different times. And Josh. Josh a friend of the.
- [86:32]
H
Take a look at this panel. We're not the people here to be judging who looks how. You know, neither are these.
- [86:38]
A
Yeah, that's what we're saying. That's what we're saying. J, I appreciate you taking an opportunity to grandstand there. We're not not saying that he is not attractive. What we're saying is they need to stop talking about our MVP like this. The that we don't like that Josh is handsome. He's 6 foot 5. He's the MVP of the NFL. Cowboy. All your little handsome models, Josh Allen will pick him up by the top of their head like this. Actually scrunch them into a football, smack them around.
- [87:04]
H
Who do they want? They like Shamal.
- [87:06]
A
Well, everybody.
- [87:10]
B
That's not the guy.
- [87:11]
A
And he's with Kylie. So you.
- [87:12]
H
I like Timmy. I'm saying it as a good thing.
- [87:15]
A
Okay.
- [87:15]
H
Gosh, you guys are really just trying to throw me under the bus.
- [87:18]
A
Yeah, it's got to been fun. It's kind of been fun. I didn't know this was going to be the day, but I do appreciate it.
- [87:22]
H
Neither did I.
- [87:23]
A
How about.
- [87:24]
H
All right, I got my shovel, big dog. I'll dig myself.
- [87:27]
A
I'm all good. Ain't no problem. I mean, that started with AJ going, what are you calling weird? Just real quick, you want to offend an entire group of people, took a.
- [87:34]
H
Hit off his protein shake and all of a sudden, sudden turned into Lex Luther over there.
- [87:38]
A
No, I saw protein. That's the. What are those things? Aminos. That's aminos.
- [87:41]
I
Oh, you don't like my aminos?
- [87:44]
A
Yeah, that's.
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I
I speak like that.
- [87:46]
A
J. Do you drink aminos all day? Is that something you do?
- [87:50]
H
I take aminos. I just had a shake after my workout with. There were aminos in it. Dcaa.
- [87:54]
C
That tracks.
- [87:54]
A
God, you guys are the best. Remember Lauren Landry?
- [87:58]
D
He was taking more aminos, but pretty strong.
- [88:02]
A
Pretty strong. He had a red bottle. My guy, he had a red bottle. I mean, he's one of my favorite humans I've ever witnessed in real life. Just so entertaining, so positive, like legitimate. There's not a negative thing that I could say. Laurent Landry brought into our locker room, other than the fact that he arrived at 280 pounds. We signed him to safety 275. 280. And he decided, didn't tell anybody that he wanted to be a dn saf safety hybrid is what he wanted to do with the Colts, obviously. Fresh, common combo, which. I mean, it would have changed the game.
- [88:34]
D
Look, the part.
- [88:35]
A
There's a chance he could have done it. I mean, there was a chance he could have done it the first time he showed up. So I think there was an immediate, like, well, this guy doesn't care at all. And then we start to, like, hear him talk and watch him. It's like, this guy's the greatest. This guy is maybe one of the most entertaining, electrifying humans of all time. But he had a red bottle that was with him at all times. I think it was even in his tights during practice. And just like aj, AJ just had regular water there. There's a bottle right next to. That's a red bottle. That's always right. And the piss bottle. Yeah, and there's a bottle attached to the table, obviously. And that's a yellow one. Oh, yeah, right. He's hydrated. It's light yellow, which is what we're looking to do. Let's pivot away from you two physical specimens and what you guys do on a day to Day. And let's talk about a physical specimen that ended up in an unfortunate situation. Situation. Your brother, obviously, we've learned a lot about his situation through your Twitter account. Whenever you broke the news of, like, what actually happened, and I feel like you wanted to clarify some things or clear the air on exactly what took place. How is your brother right now? Obviously, Steelers fans missed him on Monday night. They get their first win without him. Obviously changed the course of Miami Dolphins football forever on Monday night, which some of the boys will ask you about. But from the Pittsburgh standpoint, with your brother, how's he feeling? Is everything okay? And was it a sketchy situation in there? I assume anytime there's emergency surgery, it's not great news for the entire family or himself.
- [89:54]
H
Yeah, he's working through it. He's working through it. It's. It's obviously not somewhere that he expected or would like to be, but just handling the situation day by day and making sure to find the appropriate and proper steps to get back to where he would like to be.
- [90:13]
A
Sketchy, though. Right? I. I mean, that's probably because obviously things happen throughout a football season. There's injuries that take place. But hearing, I. I mean, obviously we're talking about your perspective from this. What you don't want to do. You want to talk about TJ because it is about TJ but let's just talk about you because you're here. And then you can obviously allude to T. T.J. but just out of nowhere, that's a routine thing for him. He does dry needling on a regular basis. I assume this is a part of his regular game week routine. And then for that to immediately lead to, oh, he's going here. Oh, he's got. And we got emergency surgery and lung involved. Like, that's pretty quick. How did you kind of handle all that stuff? And what was kind of the vibe of the Watts as a whole as they get blindsided by this situation? Seemingly.
- [90:55]
H
Yeah, I mean, I would say unexpected is the appropriate word. I mean, yeah, dry needling is incredibly common. Everybody in the league, most anybody who's been in the league, has probably done it at some point. So, yeah, I would say he. He was certainly not anticipating being in the hospital and getting lung surgery last week.
- [91:18]
A
All right, well, please tell him, I assume he doesn't watch this show. He's too locked in on everything else. He's probably right now actually taking his little fingers into his body and stretching out his lung dimensions, make sure it's entirely full. That's how we View you Watts, but please send our positive vibes and well wishes. That's scary shit. There's no such thing as routine surgery. Like anytime somebody says this a normal surgery, routine surgery, it's like they put them out and are they cutting them open? Yes. Okay. This shit is not routine. This is a very serious, a very important thing. Happy to hear he's okay. Hopefully recovery will continue to go that way. We're sorry for everybody. A part of that now. Let's talk about the other side of that now. The Pittsburgh Steve get a massive win on Monday Night Football that TJ was not able to be a part of. And then the Miami Dolphins start making some big time decisions. Go ahead, Con Man.
- [92:02]
C
Yeah. J's breaking news today. Tua is being benched in Miami and Quinn Ewers will get his first start against the Bengals. It feels like a lot of people might have saw the writing on the wall with the Jalen Ramsey Tua yuck it up session after they got blown out and he, I believe he was the last one on the field with Jaylen Jalen Ramsey having a jolly old time. Even though their season was inevitably over after this loss, they are no longer lurking. What are kind of your takeaways from the two A time in Miami and where do you think Miami goes from here? Just because, you know, it was kind of one of those things where they score 70 points versus the Broncos a few years ago. They're changing offense in the entire NFL to this moment in time now where this become a complete, complete joke. Miami and the Dolphins look awful after kind of going on a little run during the season.
- [92:54]
H
Yeah, I mean I, I'm, I'm a little, I know that this is, you know, old man get off the lawn type situation where it's old school, but I, I think there, I'm a believer in, there is like at least a minimum responsibility on the optics and everything with the fan base and understanding how everybody's to going feeling after a certain game or after a way the season is going and the fans, I mean the players, you know, everybody cares so much about this game and I do believe, and it's, trust me, I'm not sitting here saying don't laugh and that, you know, you can't, you can't talk to a friend after a game or anything like that. But like I do think there are some optics of when you're cracking up like, like belly laughing on the field after you just lost a huge game in that way to be eliminated from the playoff like that. That's a look that doesn't go over well, whether it's with certain other players in the locker room, whether it's with ownership, whether it's with the fan base. Like there is a responsibility, especially when you're the highest paid player on the team and you are the leader of the organization. That's. That's just not a good look, truthfully. I mean, point blank, you can't be doing that after a huge loss.
- [94:03]
A
Yeah, I. I was up for it. So, you know, I felt like a younger version of me, by the way. Stayed all the way up through that entire thing. I think I was trying to celebrate with the insert people who didn't. Did not boo Renegade, which is a very cool thing. I think it was active text messages coming from Pittsburgh about the team. We're all the way back. We're winning the Super Bowl. So maybe that's why I was up. Game ends, I go to the bathroom, okay? I come back out, Tua's still on the field. Okay, Bluey is going crazy. Gotta settle him down. Come back in. Tua's still on the field. Tua's still on the field. Tua's last guy off the field, basically. And it's like, how is the quarterback for the losing team? Last guy. And to your point, I felt like old man. I was like, don't get mad about this. Don't. This is not a. This is not a thing. This is a different generation. Obviously. Him catching up with Jalen, that's good news. Him and Jaylen were friends. That's. Jaylon likes Tua, still has respect for Tua, wants to talk about Tua. That means Tua's good teammate. Like, I was going through all those things in my head, but then I was just at the end. Like, you'd never see any quarterback that's going to win a Super bowl have that situation happen, you know, like that. You would never. Patrick Mahomes. Would we ever see him after a loss, Jovial. The last person off the field at an away game, at an away stadium after a loss. It's like, no, Josh. Josh Allen. You would never see that. Like Peyton. Tom. I don't even want to have to get into that whole conversation. Drew. Yeah, right. Drew was like genuinely shoot pissed. It felt like every time. So you. Then I start going back into that conversation. I'm like, this is year six for this. This guy's supposed to be. Is already a made man at the quarterback position, getting paid. I just keep asking, where did this all. You know, was it them Trading away every good player that they had, maybe, but they still had a chance to make it in the playoffs. Does he seemingly not care? Do him and McDaniel get along? Does the franchise like him? Does he not like the franchise? You know, you start asking all these questions and then they announce that he's benched for a seventh round draft pick. And then you're like, well, what the fuck is wrong with Zach Wilson? Is Zach Wilson. Yeah, is Zach Wilson okay down there? Then I start asking all these questions and then you immediately, all the way lead back to. This team hasn't won a playoff game in 20, 25 years. Okay? So there's probably a lot of problems. Let's assume that there'll be a fresh start for all parties and hopefully it goes better. Let's go to the other half of the Hammer. Cowboys. Bubba Gumpino. Good news, bad news. We've moved on from TUA time. Unfortunately, it is good news because I.
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J
Like to, when we draft him, I.
- [96:17]
A
Believed him in him. But you go back to like his.
- [96:19]
J
Best season, you remember how big he was. Like he was muscular, stood in the pocket, took hits, threw the ball ball deep.
- [96:28]
A
And then he get got paid and he completely changes everything.
- [96:31]
E
Like, everything changed.
- [96:33]
A
And then this year, he throws teammates.
- [96:35]
J
Under the bus every time he talks.
- [96:37]
A
It's never his fault.
- [96:38]
J
And then that was the end of it on Monday night, like, you can't do it anymore. He's the face of the franchise doing this shit all season long. It's been two years of this shit that nobody's noticed.
- [96:48]
A
They cut Matthew Judon. Judon is released by the Miami Dolphins. His deal is one year, six million bucks. I don't know what that means for how much money is remaining. Will he clear waivers? We assume. We assume he will. But this whole Dolphins thing, like McDaniel. We assume.
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E
Yeah.
- [97:04]
B
Bye.
- [97:04]
A
Bye. It's over, you know, and it's just like a restart down there. And that's where we're at right now. We're staring down restarts at some teams and then we're staring down potential Lombardi's at others. And it's a crazy time of year and we're very lucky to be a part of it. In the Indianapolis Colts. Staring down Lombardi still. Go ahead, Ty. Thank you.
- [97:21]
B
Yeah. J.J. what did you think of Phil Rivers performance last week? Because, you know, on every sports show kind of leading into Sunday, like there are people saying that it was like, you know, organizational. Missed practice for them bringing him back. This guy's going to get killed. We're we're worried about his family. And then he puts the Colts in position to win the game. Now, his stats weren't unbelievable, but I don't think anyone was expecting them to be. But moving forward, do you think the Colts still have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Especially if Phil Rivers is going to be the guy at the, the helm.
- [97:50]
A
Tough road.
- [97:52]
H
I mean, I, I, what I will say is that, like, I don't think there's certain people that went super far with their comments on, you know, everything and I, I don't think it was wrong to have concerns about him taking hits. Like, I think that's, that was a legitimate thing coming in. Now, he did what I think exactly you should do, obviously, hand the ball off. And he got it out of his hands extremely quick because he's an unbelievable processor. And so I think it's awesome what he did. I think literally him making it through the whole game, having a chance to win that game at the end, taking him down for the field goal and then unfortunately losing it at the end. But it was, it was must see tv. It was awesome. And for him it was probably the greatest feeling ever. And for all those kids back watching, like, it was so cool. And so as a fan of the game, I loved it. I, I am very happy that it ended with him successfully moving on to the next week and having a chance to do it again. But I, I'm not going to sit here and like, act like I didn't have concerns because I certainly did.
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A
I think we all did. You know, we all had the concerns. You know, five years away from the game. We all saw what he looked like.
- [98:56]
B
He looked fat. But then that got squat.
- [98:58]
A
He was quick.
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H
The pregame, the pregame warm up shot with, with the jacket like that rain jacket that kind of puffs out further. Windy is not a good look and that was not the best photograph.
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A
Well and also I think with the, the way that the hat was fitting on his head and the way the hoodie was, there was potentially no real jawline either. So, you know, in his press conference. So everybody's immediately going, some big old fatso is going to play quarterback for the Colts and what are we doing? And Phil Rivers answer was like, I never run away from anybody anyways and I have no idea what my weight was coming off Buffalo. I don't know what it is now. Then he put the pads on, put shoulder pads on. He had the rib protectors, the spleen protector on. He looked at exactly like Phil Rivers. I'm Happy that happened. And the all whites that the Colts wear. Not easy. You cannot hide in there. That's why on Monday you cannot hide in there. We got the Indiana Knights uniforms on Monday Night Football. On Monday Night Football. Yeah. Yeah. She grew up tall and she grew up right with them Indiana boys on them Indiana kn.
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I
Capitaliz.
- [100:06]
A
That's song's about marijuana and I love it. And I love that we're using the Indiana Knights uniforms in a night game Monday night.
- [100:15]
C
Smoking that San Fran pack.
- [100:17]
D
Good question. Stupid.
- [100:18]
A
What's that?
- [100:19]
H
Why is it a lowercase I? Yeah, AJ with a great point.
- [100:22]
A
No, don't worry about it. Worry about the graphic. That's capital Y in the graphic. Don't worry about it.
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D
I had to intentionally do that though.
- [100:29]
H
Because at least they're wearing them at night. I mean, this is a step forward.
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A
Thank you. Let's not worry about the lowercase die in in the in.
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I
Are these the ones with the black helmets? Blue jerseys? Is that what this is? Blue jersey?
- [100:41]
H
Yeah, that's why they blacked it out in the photo. You can't even tell what it is.
- [100:45]
C
Look how sick that helmet is. And look at that jersey.
- [100:47]
B
Sweet.
- [100:47]
H
Is a stretch.
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A
Boom.
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I
Oh.
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G
Boom.
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D
Sauce.
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A
That's a nighttime baby. This is built for the stars. This is built for. Oh, sorry. Sauce. Yeah, but this is sauce. Gardeners. This is sauce. Gardeners.
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D
Built.
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A
Built for the stars. Built for prime time. Built for Philip Rivers. Now Phil Rivers also hasn't had the opportunity to play in front of a packed out lighthouse in Lukaso Stadium because whenever he was Colts quarterback, they had cardboard cutouts of me and Du Bois in the stands during COVID So it's a, it's a crazy time here in Indianapolis. We got night uniforms for a night game because remember they rolled these things out. The marketing department had a brilliant idea on these Indiana nights, which why I would like to be heard loud and clear that I appreciate the fact that they're pulling from a Tom Petty song about weed and they're promoting it because if you play that guitar lick anywhere, everybody will sing along and it obviously puts Indiana in a great place. But whenever they rolled out, we did it with one o' clock games and we didn't make the playoffs and we sunk. So there was no contact. They actually changed the rule I think for the Indianapolis Colts not to have to get a Thursday night game. Like usually every team has had to get a Thursday night game at least for one time, prime time. And then they changed that rule and the team the next year that didn't have any of the primetime games was the Indianapolis Colts. And we had Indiana Knights waiting on deck. So they rolled this thing out and they put him on at one o' clock and we lost. So all across the board, we lost. I think so now that it's Monday Night Football and we got the Indiana Knights uniform, San Francisco 49ers. Good luck. Bob Sala has no fucking idea what he's. He has no idea what he's about to watch.
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H
You can't even see the uniform in the picture.
- [102:28]
C
Exactly.
- [102:28]
A
It's in there.
- [102:29]
C
Exactly.
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A
Yeah.
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I
That is a big concern.
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A
That's disgusting.
- [102:36]
C
Because no, I in team.
- [102:38]
A
Well, there's two eyes in India.
- [102:42]
H
Somebody's gonna tweet us and be like, hey, morons, this is why.
- [102:45]
I
Yeah, there's got to be.
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A
I don't know why.
- [102:47]
C
I think it might do with some of the stuff that's like the. The cool of the new uniforms. Like, there might be something like that. Like, I know the Colts. The symbol itself has the outline of the state of Indiana. I believe in it. Like there might be some cool little thing that we're forgetting.
- [103:04]
A
Bruce Brown just did some deep dive.
- [103:05]
H
Speaking of cool little things, that tarp you got on is sweet, brother.
- [103:10]
C
We beat the absolute shite out of that dork Ryan Smith's Utah Mammoth last night.
- [103:15]
A
Utah Mammoth. A good team, I heard. Oh, yeah.
- [103:17]
C
And there's a team. Think that's better. And they're in Boston, baby.
- [103:21]
A
Brian Smith is a super genius. We appreciate his work ethic. There's a chance some would call him a dork, especially if you're losing to the Boston Bruins. Yeah.
- [103:29]
C
Good luck with you. Focus on your jazz line. Everyone's pretty bummed out about them, too.
- [103:34]
A
They're building a facility right now that's going to be the nicest facility in.
- [103:36]
C
All sports by far.
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I
With.
- [103:37]
C
I mean, they got the Mammoth thing going, too, but a lot of people.
- [103:40]
A
I don't back down now.
- [103:41]
H
Don't back down now.
- [103:42]
A
Have you heard.
- [103:43]
H
Don't do it at all.
- [103:43]
A
Have you heard about what they're doing with their practice facilities?
- [103:46]
C
It's cool, man.
- [103:46]
H
Yeah, they're opening up to the public, like part time.
- [103:49]
A
They. I don't know, maybe that. That sounds like a good business venture that Ryan Smith would potentially do. But if it's going to sacrifice winning, he will stay away from it. Bought a mall. Bought a mall.
- [104:00]
H
Okay.
- [104:01]
A
Mall. You know. You know, malls. Gigantic.
- [104:03]
H
I'm aware. Carry on.
- [104:04]
A
Department stores. You know how big department stores are, like the theater. Yeah. Bought a mall. Okay. And now he's turning like JCPenney is the Utah Jazz facility. And then you go up some actual escalators that are there, go down and then you enter into the Utah Jazz facility, which is like Nordstrom or something like that. And they're both gigantic. Build it up in one year. The mammoth side of it gonna do the same thing for the Jazz. And then I do believe it is gonna be. There's a public area of the mall that's gonna be on that side. If they're teams could just get good, you know, Mammoth.
- [104:38]
C
Mammoth have the Jazz. They actually really, really are in a bad spot.
- [104:43]
A
Why is that? Because they thought they were potentially going to get the number one overall pick.
- [104:46]
C
Yeah. It turns out Oklahoma City has their pick. And now Oklahoma City is going to have two top 10 picks. And actually the Jazz are contributing to ruining the entire NBA if that happens with the Oklahoma City Thunder. But. But that might not happen.
- [104:58]
A
Facility. Very good.
- [104:59]
C
Very good.
- [105:00]
A
And the monster. And it's beautiful. But that is a beautiful sweater there for the Boston Bruins. As the NHL continues to be awesome. And to wrap up the Colts. Lowercase. I thing Bruce did some research. I guess this has happened multiple times. There's somebody that's really new and cool that has a social media degree that wants to add their own little flavor. Yeah, all right. Just capitalize the goddamn. I. I know you got a social media degree. Please. It's the name of our state, you know.
- [105:28]
C
What a joke.
- [105:29]
A
I hate the social media people. Not everywhere, okay? Just the super duper geniuses that are, you know, having artistic choice.
- [105:36]
I
They took. Is that what you're saying?
- [105:38]
A
Yeah, I believe that is what Bruce has come to a quick conclusion that there's potentially a new thumb on the social account and kind of want to make their own mark and maybe, you know, leave their own little artistry. Maybe start a trend. Maybe start mission accomplished. I believe the Chargers are lowercase only.
- [105:55]
H
Over on their X cat. So it is a bit of a thing.
- [105:58]
A
Not a bad idea to follow the Chargers. Maybe we back off this take. Maybe we. We have not gotten full context of it all. If you were doing what the Chargers are doing, we would like say good. Hey, this new social media person really doing it. Really like what they're doing.
- [106:11]
D
Innovative.
- [106:11]
A
I really like what they're doing. See new information, we keep it moving. But on that note, let's capitalize that.
- [106:17]
E
Yeah.
- [106:17]
B
There's nothing cool about being wrong. That's not the way it's spelled.
- [106:20]
A
No.
- [106:20]
C
Especially estates.
- [106:21]
A
Yeah, especially this, our state. Especially Indiana. Yeah, our state. Yeah.
- [106:25]
H
Especially Ty, you leaning up over there? Ty, are you. Are you leaning out?
- [106:30]
B
What are you talking about?
- [106:32]
H
I don't know. You just look lean. You look very lean.
- [106:34]
B
Am I leaning out?
- [106:34]
A
No.
- [106:35]
B
That's very nice of you to say that because I probably need to lose about 35 pounds, so thank you.
- [106:40]
A
Coming right up.
- [106:40]
B
So thank you for saying that. That actually makes me feel great. So maybe now I'm not going to do anything for the next. You know.
- [106:46]
C
Thank you, J.
- [106:47]
A
Appreciate.
- [106:48]
B
Thank you.
- [106:50]
C
My turn.
- [106:50]
I
Be a friend.
- [106:51]
H
Tell a friend. You know, you are. Looks like you might be getting the holiday bump.
- [106:57]
C
Thank you. Thank you. The holiday weight loss bump.
- [107:00]
H
Looks like you're. It looks like you have some good cooks in your family.
- [107:03]
A
Oh, I like that. The kitchen's obviously operating at optimum.
- [107:07]
C
Fine cook.
- [107:08]
A
Yeah. Okay.
- [107:08]
H
Thank you.
- [107:09]
A
Connor, I think you.
- [107:10]
H
How long is the hair going? Because I am on chop watch. I am near the end of the line here. I think I'm at the end. Are you at the end? Where are you at?
- [107:17]
C
No, I'm not. I mean, I think I've. I've gotten. I've gone past the point of where I wanted to be, so I need to trim it up maybe a little, but I don't think you should cut your hair.
- [107:25]
A
Dude. Where are you at? Where you at? That's good.
- [107:26]
H
I'm. I'm. I'm at the point and probably just past the point of. Of where I would like to be.
- [107:32]
A
Okay. Will you. My question for you is, will you continue to be hat guy to keep it down? Because hat at the beginning to keep hair down while it's dry. Huge ordeal. Yes. I think it's a huge. It's a tech technique that is used by a lot of people. You can continue to do that while continuing to grow it out. Right. I cut you off there, but will you continue to do that while you grow it out?
- [107:53]
H
Well, no, I don't want to grow it anymore. I am done growing it. It is at the length where I definitely don't want it to be any longer than this.
- [107:59]
C
Oh, man.
- [108:00]
H
I think it might even be a touch too long at the moment. The hard part is on Sunday, I like wearing a hat. I like to flip out the back of the hat. But on Sundays, I got to go on air, and for four hours, this has to somehow stay like. Like, okay, but you put on a headset. You put off the headset, you're out in the elements. Like, it doesn't stay good for that long. So I don't Know what to do?
- [108:20]
A
Spray hat, let it dry.
- [108:24]
H
Yeah, I know. I, I do that. But then I got to take the hat off to go on television.
- [108:28]
A
And you're telling me your, your hair has so much bounce that it'll do.
- [108:31]
H
This thing where it, like. Yeah, like, it, it, like, falls down in front, like, does, like, this thing.
- [108:37]
B
That actually looks awesome.
- [108:39]
C
Yeah, that's, that's a good look.
- [108:40]
A
Kind of looks sweet. You have good hair, dude. You have really good hair. I don't think you should be embarrassed by it.
- [108:43]
C
Had the reverse cough this this week, too. Usually, jj, I notice you go, you know, left to right, but this week it was right to left.
- [108:50]
A
Do you have a lot of CX in there or.
- [108:51]
H
No, it's not too bad. I don't know.
- [108:55]
A
I, I, I, I think your hair is good, dude.
- [108:57]
B
That would be a fun gimmick coming back from break. And if you do what you just did and then your hair, that'd be awesome.
- [109:03]
A
Just get a little quaff every once in a while. Joey Burrow will get, like, the curl.
- [109:08]
C
Boom.
- [109:08]
A
The curl down in front, like Razor Ramon. Yeah, I think you should think about that whenever you're doing it. Your hair is good, dude. I don't think you should quit on it.
- [109:15]
C
And don't be. And don't be for me. At least don't be fickle about it. That's my problem. Like, I want to look exactly one way. Once you do that, then you're just gonna, you're gonna drive yourself crazy.
- [109:25]
A
You're chasing, you're chasing, you're chasing. Speaking of chasing.
- [109:27]
H
That's fair.
- [109:28]
A
Matthew Judon is going to be available. We all assume there was a team that lost a great pass rusher that might be in the market. Go ahead, aq.
- [109:35]
E
Yeah, jj, Tough weekend of injuries, obviously, with Michael Parsons going down. How big of an impact is it with Green Bay losing him? And what does their defense look like moving forward?
- [109:46]
H
I mean, it's a gigantic impact. He is a phenomenal player. He changes everything for how teams have to block to account for him, to know where he's going to be. Lines up all over. He's explosive. He's, he's an incredible player. And when you're losing one of the best players in the National Football League, you can't replace them even with 1, 2, 3 guys. It's just different when you have that level of athlete on the field that you have to account for. So, yeah, they can go out there and get somebody. It's not going to be the same. It's going to be more of by committee figuring out how this defensive front is going to get the pressure to try and somehow replicate a percentage of what he's leaving behind. And that's guys stepping up, it's games, it's schemes. It might be pressure from the second level or the back end, but it is going to be the whole defense rallying around you. You literally cannot replace a player of that caliber with one or two guys.
- [110:40]
B
I mean, would a hometown or a home state guy maybe take, I don't know, $25 million to come back and maybe try to fill that void for a playoff run here?
- [110:48]
A
Oh, mama. J.J. watson, the Packers.
- [110:54]
H
I wanted to play for the packers in free agency.
- [110:56]
B
I know you.
- [110:57]
H
I wanted to go to free agency. Green Bay. We're not interested.
- [111:01]
A
What?
- [111:01]
E
That was older Gene.
- [111:02]
B
Yeah, I was gonna say we got, we got Ed policy now.
- [111:04]
D
Finish your story.
- [111:06]
H
That's where I wanted to go. I, I, I told my agents, I don't care what the number is. I don't care how low it is, tell me what it is so I can at least consider it. I said, I'm not saying it's a guarantee to take it, but I said, if it's 2 million, if it's 4 million, whatever the number is, put it in front of me so that I can at least consider it against all these, these options. And they said, we, we can't get a number.
- [111:28]
A
They don't, they didn't even make an offer to J.J. what I got, I.
- [111:31]
H
I, I mean, I, I, I don't know if it, what year this was 2020. This, right before I went to Arizona, it was 20.
- [111:40]
A
So you're still playing football.
- [111:41]
I
You were still, you should kick the door down. Went in there, yeah, this is my.
- [111:44]
H
Free agent, my, my real free agency. I said, we went. You go through the list of everything on what you want to do. What, where would you like to go, what kind of, what you, you looking for? And I said, the ideal situation for me would be to go play for the Green Bay Packers. That's where, I mean, I grew up. I watched Reggie White. That would be incredible. I said, I'll take a significant, significant hometown discount to play there. And I said, but I just need to know what that looks like so I can at least consider it against all options. And I was not given a number to consider.
- [112:14]
A
Oh, my gosh, J, now that might have been your agent saying, we're not telling this guy this small of a number because obviously that affects what number we're getting. In this entire thing. And there has been stories of agents potentially not telling people things so they can guide them in a different direction. So we're not 100% sure. You would know better than us.
- [112:30]
H
Yeah, No, I don't.
- [112:31]
A
I'm.
- [112:31]
H
I'm not 100% sure.
- [112:32]
A
But what it sounds like right now. What it sounds like right now is that the Green Bay packers said, who? Yeah, see ya. And just kind of moved along with JJ1. That's awesome to hear right now.
- [112:43]
B
I didn't do that.
- [112:44]
J
I'm just.
- [112:44]
H
I can tell you with. Without question right now. I can tell you that $5 million would have gotten it done.
- [112:52]
A
How much did you end up taking? How much did you end up taking?
- [112:55]
H
I think like 15.
- [112:56]
A
God damn.
- [112:57]
B
They would have done that. Will you consider it one more time? 5 million. Now we'll say 7 and a half. We'll say. We'll, you know, we'll give you a 50% bump.
- [113:08]
A
Yeah. You still got that log catch? You still got that log cabin up there? Maybe we can move back in and go on a playoff run. J, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. You're the greatest. Genuinely, you are the best. You're too good at football to be as good of a human, an actual human that you are. It really doesn't make any sense. And then we see that your hair is also flawless as well. Pretty outrageous. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.
- [113:30]
H
Hey, I appreciate you guys very much. It's a blast every single week. I hope you guys have a lot of fun at Kyle Field.
- [113:35]
B
That'll be.
- [113:35]
H
Be awesome. But seriously, this show is so much fun every single week. I know. I tell you all the time, but I really, really appreciate it. Your fans are awesome. It's great to get mentions from them all the time. And you guys are the best.
- [113:48]
A
Our fans, brother. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. w. He's awesome.
- [113:54]
C
Great on the call, too.
- [113:55]
A
Yeah, he is.
- [113:56]
E
Yeah.
- [113:56]
C
Seriously.
- [113:57]
A
Yeah. Good vibe while watching no matter what's happening. Yeah.
- [114:01]
I
It's fun.
- [114:02]
A
Yeah. Point out the good in the game. Yeah. There's good stuff.
- [114:06]
I
Ball time's going, Remember. I know.
- [114:07]
A
We're getting a break.
- [114:08]
H
He went.
- [114:08]
G
He.
- [114:08]
I
Remember, he filmed ball time. That's got to come out soon.
- [114:10]
C
Ball town.
- [114:11]
A
Town. Oh, yeah.
- [114:12]
I
Ball time.
- [114:13]
A
I thought. I thought it was balls time. Wow. We'll figure it out. Whatever.
- [114:17]
I
Anyway, great promo. Great tease.
- [114:19]
A
Yeah. Because we remember it still. All right. See you tomorrow. Ever.
- [114:29]
I
I don't know why I had to bring it up with 20 seconds to go.
- [114:31]
A
But. Yeah, yeah. But then again, at 10 seconds, I.
- [114:34]
I
Wanted to ask him about it. It's ball time.
- [114:36]
A
I thought it was back. He. Call. Call him back, please. I think it's Balls Town.
- [114:39]
C
I thought it.
- [114:40]
I
He different. Neither. I think it's ne. He pluralizes balls and you change the time. But I think it's. He filmed like. I thought he had a whole season in the can. Like, I just want to see when it comes out.
- [114:50]
A
Me too, bro. We're thinking the same. We're. Hey, we're thinking the same thing. Thing. I forgot it existed and then you brought it up.
- [114:55]
C
Balls Town.
- [114:56]
A
Okay. Yes, Town. That's about all. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, the host of Balls town, we think, J.J. watt. What was the name of that show thing that you, you recorded? You remember?
- [115:05]
H
What's that now?
- [115:06]
A
Ballstown.
- [115:08]
B
Ball Town.
- [115:09]
H
Yeah. It never happened. Didn't come to fruition. What learned. Don't speak.
- [115:13]
I
You filmed a few, right?
- [115:15]
H
Yes, yeah, we filmed the pilot. We filmed some stuff.
- [115:18]
A
Who owns the footage? Owns footage?
- [115:20]
H
Yeah, it's a cartoon. It's a cartoon.
- [115:23]
A
Is it? What do you mean, is it? Who owns it, though?
- [115:28]
H
I mean, I, I, I would imagine that I still own a portion of.
- [115:32]
A
So it's not over yet. It's not over yet. Okay, so just if, you know, there might be some people that would be interested in purchasing the.
- [115:38]
I
You voice the characters or something. How's that? If it's animated? Cartoon voice.
- [115:41]
H
Yeah, it's animated. So I voice, I voice a character. There's. Yeah, I love the concept. I really love the concept. It's, it's literally. It's kind of like cars, but for sports. Like, the balls can talk all different balls. Like, you'd have, you'd have a golfer voicing over the golf ball. You'd have a basketball star voicing over the basketball. You have me voicing over the football. It's really cool.
- [116:05]
A
So. Yeah, sounds really cool. Whatever. You watched it and you hated it.
- [116:09]
H
No, I liked it. It was a very interesting time back when we were shot, like the, with streaming and the amount of shows and everything, and just what would be required to make it happen? Didn't happen.
- [116:21]
A
Say no more, my friend. Sounds like this Boss Town. Still awaiting a release date, but it is still.
- [116:27]
H
How did this come up? I didn't. I got off and you guys started talking about Ball Town.
- [116:31]
A
AJ Said I wanted to ask him about ball time, is what he said. And then we said, no, I think it's Ballstown. And then we forgot about. About it, though. And. But it needs to not be forgotten. That thing needs to be. That's good for sports.
- [116:44]
H
Talked about that one a little too early. I. I brought that. Like, I've learned that you can't bring things up that early. It's a life lesson.
- [116:53]
I
No, it's all right.
- [116:57]
A
That's still alive. I want to see that ad.
- [116:58]
H
Are you going to Kyle Field?
- [117:01]
I
I will be there.
- [117:02]
A
Yeah.
- [117:02]
I
It's going to be sweet. I've never been there.
- [117:04]
H
That's. It's a great place. I mean, obviously, Ohio Stadium is an awesome place.
- [117:09]
A
The.
- [117:09]
H
The thing that separates me is how close to the field. Like, Ohio Stadium has that one end zone that's real deep back behind that flag pole. I just love how this one is just everything on top of you.
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A
I appreciate the fact that you pointed out, instead of making it wider for concerts and anything else that they could potentially profit off of the stadium for, they decided to make it strictly for the environment to be as hard as possible in a home field advantage, which you respect. Which we also respect. And we will bring that up whenever we're certainly to talking about it. We need to save Ball Town for the good of sport.
- [117:42]
C
Yeah.
- [117:42]
A
This needs to happen. Sports need that. All right.
- [117:44]
H
What. What do we got here? There's some angle here.
- [117:46]
A
No, there's no angle. Literally. AJ Kind of ruined the exit off of ESPN completely. Because you brought up.
- [117:53]
I
I remember you brought it up like, six months ago, I believe. Is it animated? So you could say, like, controversial things. Get away with it. Is that why you did that? That's why people do that.
- [118:04]
H
What's happening here?
- [118:05]
I
Cartoon can say whatever they want.
- [118:06]
A
Yeah, I guess we don't. You don't know what the context of the. Wow.
- [118:10]
H
You can say whatever you want on spongebob squarepants. Like, what do you mean?
- [118:13]
A
No Family Guy, though. And South Park.
- [118:15]
C
F is for family.
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A
And also Jeff Dunham, the ventriloquist. Ventriloquist. It's not me. It's. It's terrible what this person's saying over here. You know, it's a good little play by comedians, which we respect. And AJ Was wondering if that's what you guys were doing with this particular one, so you can kind of let some jokes fly.
- [118:33]
H
Picture it like recess. I love the show Recess. Growing up, I liked recess. Thought it was great ones. Hey, Arnold. You know, some of those. I. My son watched Jingle all the Way the other night. Not animated, but just underrated Christmas movie.
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A
Yeah. Okay, let's make sure Balls Town is not dead. We.
- [118:48]
H
How's your Dog. By the way, I got to ask you because I saw your post the other day where he was just chomping at the food bin. Love the attitude of this new dog that we've got.
- [118:57]
A
Yeah, hungry dog. This is a hungry dog. All the time. This dog is supposed to be, I think, grazing plains with cattle or any other animal. Horses. I've heard these things. Herd horses, okay? So horses can really run, you know, and horses are really tall. So to be able to herd said things you would assume would have to have respect for the stature of said dog, which I think we're nowhere near the end of where this thing is headed towards, you know, with the size of its mitts versus the size of its entire thing.
- [119:29]
H
How'd you get it?
- [119:30]
A
Hamilton County Humane Society. Hamilton County Humane Society. You know, was sitting there staring through the picture with its ear, which he still does ears back. Just did something that was catastrophic to the house. Come sits over. I'm so sorry. I just have too much energy. Tails just going, what do you want from me, dude? This is just who I am. I am so sorry. And then go down on the back. And then you start petting them and get super excited so they. He pees on you. And obviously whenever he's peeing, his bladder's gigantic. So it's just your entire arm is just now getting blasted with piss while he's peeing on himself. So now he's got pee on himself and on his shirt. So then he gets up and you go back to your room, you know, because you need to take off the piss shirt that you have on now because you would like to hold your child, you know, but you don't want to lay in a piss. So as you head back to the bedroom, you know, you notice that the dog actually jumped 45ft and landed on the bed, which is cool that it laying on the bed. But you remember that it just pissed all over itself. So now he's laying on bed, you know, taking up the whole thing. He's kind of cutting that thing. You know how sandwiches can be cut diagonal. So on the bed, he's diagonal. And he's tip to tip, you know, from that. He's taking up the whole thing. So it's really it. But then he gets down again. He goes, I didn't know you. How could you expect me to know? It was so comfortable, so nice. I was in a fucking bin just a couple weeks ago. And then sprints in. Then he's back. It's like, he's a good dog. It's a great, great dog. You can tell. Good dog, good nature, but boy big.
- [120:48]
H
What's the plan for exercising this thing that normally runs with horses.
- [120:53]
A
So electric fence we're putting in. Okay. We got property out here in Indiana which is good news. But also there's like a foot of snow down. So tough to get in anything, you know, because this was kind of spur of the moment decision to just have to get this dog within the next day too. So there was.
- [121:07]
H
Yeah, look at that guy.
- [121:08]
A
Wasn't a lot of that damn food.
- [121:10]
H
Give me that damn food.
- [121:11]
A
And he dragged me.
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I
Chew on stuff. See like eat pillows and stuff or mess the stuff up.
- [121:15]
A
Don't do any of that.
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I
Oh, then you're good. You're all right.
- [121:17]
A
He just, he, he gets excited and peas and has so much energy and he's always hungry. Like he will always want to eat and I think it's cuz he has to grow. But we'll feed him like I'll feed him to like what you think will make him happy and then you put the food away and then all of a sudden no, we're in the vicinity of food. I need it. And he'll actually head. Not at this point.
- [121:38]
H
Don't chuck him, man. Don't you dare chuck this guy.
- [121:41]
A
He can't. He can't. He literally can't. I, I have to run sprints in house with this thing at night to try to just get it to stop. So he's going to end up turning me into a much better fit person. But also I'm gonna have to add completely a daily routine of running to Connor.
- [121:55]
H
Take him on your morning jogs every day.
- [121:56]
C
That's not a bad idea.
- [121:58]
H
You two, you two go on your daily jog together.
- [122:01]
C
It's not a bad idea.
- [122:02]
A
That's a. Messages from somebody that lives in my neighborhood that says I got one of those similar dogs. I ran it for seven miles today. I think it still wants to go out for another one. So what I'm worrying is the more I work out this dog, I think we're just creating a. A Turbo man of sorts if you will. And I potentially am about to get run out of the gym by this dog. No matter what I do. I'm. It's a never ending chase to get this dog tired. And from what I've been told by people that have these dogs is this ain't ever tired. That's why this.
- [122:30]
H
Yeah, you don't expend enough energy as it is. You definitely need more energy expenditure on your plate.
- [122:37]
A
Yep. And that's what we got with blue. You know, that's what we got.
- [122:40]
H
Are you guys going to the Friday night yell lead?
- [122:43]
A
We are. And that's what you were talking about. My God.
- [122:47]
H
I got. I cannot wait to just take that content into my eyeballs.
- [122:52]
A
Us experiencing it is what you're saying? Yes.
- [122:55]
H
Yes. I am very excited to experience you experiencing it.
- [123:01]
A
Yeah. I think what JJ is excited for.
- [123:02]
H
AJ can we get you in some overalls?
- [123:05]
I
I was trying to ask you this. I don't know a whole lot about it. I wanted you to describe. I'm not sure what it is. I've seen a couple videos online, but I'm not sure if they were real or not.
- [123:12]
H
To be truthful, I believe there are either painted or bedazzled overalls involved.
- [123:18]
A
Painted, please.
- [123:20]
H
There's a lot of. This is awesome.
- [123:22]
A
That's the final call. Yeah. That's the final hand signal. But they do a lot of. That's them sawing off the longhorn. Okay. That's them acting like a stranger saw right there, and that's why they're singing, and that's to cut off the horns of the longhorn because they hate Texas.
- [123:36]
C
They don't.
- [123:36]
H
It's like. It's like. That part is awesome. It's like this, like, weird juxtaposition of like. All right, that was weird, but that was awesome. But, oh, it's like that girl who's on. She's like, oh, that's good, man.
- [123:51]
A
That's good. We just got another one, too, right there of J.J. watt. Somebody ripped that. I can't wait to respond to somebody with they say something stupid. I'm just gonna drop J.J. watt in there doing. What's that? Conflicted J.J. watt. What an absolute stud. I know what you were talking about, though, because a lot of people do judge Texas A and M people, and you said self. Admittedly, I do think they all say, like, we do stuff different down here. That is. That is way. But they're all. All in, so that makes it.
- [124:15]
H
They wear those rings, too. They all get rings, and that is a real, real thing. I mean, being in Houston, like, they have an. An Aggie ring, and you wear your Aggie ring. It's not like. Like a Josten's high school ring where you put it away forever? I think that was the whole time. I think. Yeah. I don't know which finger. It actually might be. Yeah. On your finger. Like, they wear an Aggie ring. That is a real thing. You'll see it, like, out at Dinner like eggy and like what? They're like, yeah, look at this ring.
- [124:43]
A
If it was just pinky rings only and they called themselves the Texas A and M Dawns and then every time they saw it each other, they pinky to pinky with that. That'd be a pretty cool little thing. Let's try to get one of these dawn rings this weekend. Let's earn one this weekend with our yelling. Let's do that. There it is. That the ring, dude.
- [125:00]
H
Great research. Super speed, guys. Really good job back there.
- [125:03]
A
Good pull, Bruce. Good pull, Bruce. Is there any other information on this website here about this? Bruce?
- [125:08]
C
Yeah.
- [125:09]
I
Is it like an alumni ring or is it like when you're a current.
- [125:11]
H
Student, when you graduate? No, when you graduate, you get the ring.
- [125:14]
A
The Aggie ring. One of the greatest moments for an Aggie is the day they receive their Aggie ring. As the most visible sign of the Aggie network. The Aggie ring is a unique representation of achievement as it can only be ordered when a student completes specific academic. Well, we got no shot, boys. All right, well, congrats to all of them. Congrats to all of them. All right, James, you're the man. Have a great weekend and let's bring Ballstown back. It's not dead if it never started, right? It just happened. Hasn't started yet.
- [125:40]
C
True.
- [125:42]
A
It had to be terrible, right? Is that why it didn't so bad? It's cartoon and it's J.J. watt. You would think that would get sold pretty quickly.
- [125:50]
B
You would think that I want. I mean, he did say something along. Maybe it was like, we love this. We want nine seasons and 100 episodes of this. And he was like, that's. I don't know if I want to.
- [126:01]
A
Sign up for that.
- [126:01]
B
Yeah.
- [126:02]
A
So maybe us bringing it up almost put him back into like. No, you just helped. The people who are telling me that we should do this, they got a little bit more leverage now because there is a demand for it because AJ Hawk remembered it with 20 seconds left in the show, which is a good thing because I think sports one of those would be good for kids.
- [126:19]
I
My kids would love it. Yeah. I've been mean to ask him for like eight weeks. I just never thought to bring it up till right then.
- [126:25]
D
For real.
- [126:25]
I
Maybe 12 weeks probably. I've been meaning to ask.
- [126:27]
A
I'm happy we got a. A. Hey, it's big day today.
- [126:30]
C
Yeah, I got off my.
- [126:31]
A
We should get you an Aggie ring to celebrate the achievement of what he done. I can't wait to get down there. And obviously you said, I've seen some videos. I don't know if they're real or not. I do think they are real.
- [126:44]
I
And I think that's an honest statement I made.
- [126:47]
A
I know. And I think we were all thinking the same thing when we saw them. We're like, nope, can't be. That's not how it is. But then you get down there and you think, oh, everybody that's ever been here is all bought in on this. And then you start thinking about other people's. What do they do as their traditions and everything like that. It's like, oh, this is just how they go about doing their shit. But what I do know is it provides an electric environment for college game day. Every time we've been down there, it's been awesome. I assume every game that happens down there is awesome. And now they got a team in the playoff. It's going to be absurd down there.
- [127:17]
E
So it's at midnight. This goes on for how long the yell?
- [127:21]
A
Yeah, I don't. We'd have ever been. I have no idea.
- [127:23]
E
But like, do they go home and then come back, get some sleep and then come back for the game?
- [127:26]
A
From my understanding, because I've been down there and I walked out around town and gumpy, remind me if I'm wrong here. There was people camping out of the stadium to get into the stadium overnight. So I in. But not everybody that goes into the midnight yell could camp out at the stadium because I think they're filling that thing up with like 50,000, 40,000 people at midnight, the night before games, I think. Is it exactly at midnight is around midnight how long it is? We don't really know any of those things. We just know that we were asked if we were wanted to come see it. And that was an immediate. Yup, yup, can't wait to see that. I'm excited for it. But a midnight pep rally is crazy to think about the night before every home game. Yeah, that's like a lot of commitment, which once again goes to. They do things that nobody else does. But everybody's all in, which makes it a cool experience, kind of JJ's point.
- [128:11]
C
Yeah, when we were there, it started at like 11:30. They started letting people in. I'm not sure if they actually kick it off at midnight because there's 10,000, I mean, 40,000, 50,000 people literally lined up around the stadium to get into the this place. And then some of them were camping out just around where game day was. They had those kind of pockets, not Trailers. But, like, there were little tents around. I'm not sure if they're actually camped for the game, but they were camped for game day, like, and they were. And they had their own little, like, areas. Tents, kind of similar to Bama. How Bama had, like, a tent setup behind game day. But I'm not sure if it's exactly the same. But yeah, I mean, they start letting people in and I mean, they might not be able to get it going by midnight just because so many people are lined up and they got to get everyone in.
- [128:53]
A
It's a. It's a wild thing to witness because it's like these people are not just fans of their team. It's like they are so committed. So whenever a win happens, it's like it was all worth it. You know, it's like the highs in the lows, whenever you're that fully committed to something are more. So I think that's why the environment is created to be what it is, because it's like a very big investment to be a fan down there.
- [129:18]
E
They definitely have great fans. We play them in my junior year, we played them in a bowl game in the Alamo bowl, which was in Texas. So they traveled well to that game. And we did a pep rally, and they did like, a miniature version of that. And I was like, oh, I mean, that was pretty intense with 3,000.
- [129:32]
A
And you guys have a good cult yourselves.
- [129:34]
C
We.
- [129:34]
E
We had a great fall. It was a great game. And we filled up the Alamo Dome. It was. It was a great game.
- [129:38]
A
And that was for a bowl game.
- [129:39]
E
It was a bowl game. They had Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Red Bryant on their defensive line. I mean, they were good.
- [129:44]
A
Nobody cares about these bowl games anymore. And I'm to. About. About done with that. Yeah, we need to bring back the. Wasn't matter. No. Good luck.
- [129:52]
C
I mean, this.
- [129:53]
A
All the ball games need to matter. It's a bonus game for these boys.
- [129:57]
C
We got two CFP games that don't matter because of these stupid little schools. They need to get rid of all that. Done.
- [130:05]
D
At least we got college football.
- [130:06]
A
What about the bonus games that the boys worked hard for all season?
- [130:09]
C
Absolutely. They should turn them into high school showcase games because all the good, good players from these teams don't play. And then all the. All the players who are still on the team probably won't even be on the team next year because they're going to transfer.
- [130:21]
A
But. But. And that bowl game provides another spotlight on a player to potentially transfer or for a team's coach. To potentially move or for the team to look like their ass in a grander stage. But it's always for the gamblers. Isn't that always the thing like well bowl bowl season will always exist because it always does ratings and it will always have a of people invested because the gambling. Let's go to 1/2 of the Hammer Cowboys in Hammer AP tone.
- [130:48]
C
I didn't.
- [130:48]
A
I haven't heard much about bowl season gambling or even watching habits like what the last two years basically. Right. Have you. Is there going to be a. What is kind of the convo of the change in perspective or change in I guess relevance of entire bowl season? What does it look like? Are they going to get.
- [131:07]
J
I don't think it's a like as far as gambling is concerned. I don't think the bull season is affected at all. People are going to bet on it because it's a game and it's happening and it's on TV. And also people are going to do the same thing mostly watching it. I assume the numbers are going to be down as far as watching it because yes, the games don't matter as much and eventually bowl season will probably end and die especially once the College Football Playoff expands. But you know, that's. That's fine. I mean it was great while it lasted.
- [131:33]
A
I'm a Gator Bull champ.
- [131:35]
H
Go right.
- [131:35]
A
Okay.
- [131:36]
C
Yep.
- [131:36]
A
I'm a Monarch Car Care Bull champ.
- [131:39]
H
There you go.
- [131:40]
D
Good ball.
- [131:40]
A
West Virginia has been multiple time Mayo Bull champs. Okay. There's some Pop Tart bowl champs and today we find out who the staff DNA Cure bowl champion will be.
- [131:51]
B
I've been waiting for this one.
- [131:52]
A
Old Dominion at South Florida. South Florida favored by two and a half. The FBI projection says South Florida she'll win by by about 5.8 points. You're getting good points on the spread just from the prediction model to what the sportsbooks are saying. And then the 68 Ventures Bowl. This ain't 60 Ventures. This ain't 62, not even 67. This is 68 Ventures Bowl. Louisiana favored by three against Delaware. This is what we're talking about here with bowl season. Hell yeah, Tony. You're saying people just bet on it because it exists.
- [132:27]
C
Yeah.
- [132:27]
J
We had a team ride yesterday on Jack State. Everyone in Hammer downtown and they won because you could still win money off of these games. The FBI also doesn't do the research on what quarterbacks and and the opt outs and stuff like that. So I wouldn't trust that FPI much.
- [132:43]
A
Are you guys breaking down?
- [132:44]
H
Oh yeah.
- [132:44]
A
Bowl season On Hammer every single game.
- [132:47]
J
Every single game.
- [132:49]
C
They should do the N.I.T.
- [132:51]
A
Maybe these guys. No Hammer done the.
- [132:53]
C
The. These bowl games. They should just do an NIT type tournament. Like if we're going to do a college football playoff instead of doing random bowl games every night. Do do an N that's more shitty bowl games.
- [133:06]
A
No matter. We are the not real champ gonna opt out. There's a natural chance there's a not real champion. You can end it on James rotating basically basis. It's a part of that.
- [133:22]
C
But I mean now the New York we only have what, two new year six Bulls.
- [133:26]
A
You're telling me Michigan Texas doesn't deserve to be in the not actual champion champion bowl? I think it should be Jesus bowl by the way. Always brings it.
- [133:35]
B
Still great bowl. You know the real. The ReliaQuest Bowl. It's a marquee bowl still. So you know, those are the ones that we really can't get rid of some of these other bullshit ones like the 68 Ventures one. We could probably see that DNA, staff DNA. I've been juiced up for this one for a while because Old Dominion's quarter.
- [133:51]
A
Quarterback is very good.
- [133:52]
E
So great run game.
- [133:53]
B
Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. That one is. Obviously everyone's going to be looking towards that.
- [133:57]
A
But Byron Brown's not playing.
- [133:59]
J
No, he's not.
- [134:00]
D
What?
- [134:00]
E
Who isn't? Who's Byron Brown?
- [134:01]
C
Exactly. Exactly.
- [134:03]
B
That's South Florida. Boom. South Florida. I'm talking about old to me.
- [134:06]
E
Old Dominion run game.
- [134:07]
C
Unbelievable.
- [134:08]
A
Oh, it's. It's tone. It sounds like you're heavy on Old Dominion right now. Let's not tell too many people about what's happening with South Florida.
- [134:14]
J
Old Dominion's quarterback is also not playing because he's. He's going to be one of the higher quarterbacks in the transfer portal. But their backup quarterback played in the last game last year, ran for over 200 yards. So yeah, maybe I am high on Old Dominion.
- [134:26]
B
I don't know. And their.
- [134:27]
J
Their coach isn't leaving.
- [134:29]
D
So you're saying who had the idea to have the bowl games at the beginning of the season? I think that was the best idea.
- [134:35]
J
Sorry, what?
- [134:35]
D
Yeah, have start the season out kind of how college basketball does with some of the, you know, Big Ten versus AC or whoever. Just start out first. Like if Texas and Ohio, Ohio State had a bowl game to start the season out. Okay then that way the bowl games are still significant. You still get the sponsors, still get the money, everybody cares, all the players play. You got your coaches.
- [134:56]
A
Because doesn't count towards the regular season. You just call yourself the champion going into the season.
- [135:00]
D
It'll help with pre, you know, rankings going into the. Going into the rest of the season.
- [135:04]
A
And you'll be forced into playing a big game as opposed to being scared to playing one new week zero. And if it gets understood like, hey, this is not your actual record. This is literally just bowl game. You go into the season as this bowl champion, then you can get the big names in these shitty Bulls.
- [135:17]
D
Exactly.
- [135:19]
A
That's a good idea. I. I had not heard that. So it's like a preseason.
- [135:22]
C
No, it's like Qualys in F1.
- [135:24]
E
It's like the Maui Invitational in basketball.
- [135:27]
D
Good comparison. Comment.
- [135:29]
A
First, it is like the qualities, I guess. It is like the Maui Invitational. It is like a preseason, but it's basically. Basically a bowl game. A big significance. And then you go off the rankings off of that.
- [135:40]
D
Yeah.
- [135:42]
A
Wow. This is a good idea.
- [135:44]
D
I don't know who to give credit to, but it was somebody with man.
- [135:47]
A
Imagine Mayo Bowl, Ohio State taking on Oregon. Okay, I'm sorry. It would have to be an SEC school. It wouldn't be Ohio State versus Oregon. Sorry, I apologize for getting that wrong.
- [135:58]
B
Ohio State and lsu.
- [135:59]
A
Oh, in the Pop Tart Bowl.
- [136:00]
E
Yeah.
- [136:01]
A
Bingo. Oh, my God.
- [136:03]
J
God.
- [136:03]
D
Notre Dame still just skate on by not playing anybody. Just get their ranking from everybody else.
- [136:08]
A
No, no, they would have to play Syracuse. They would be in the Notre Dame Bowl. They'd be in the Notre Dame Bowl. Notre Dame people would be like, yeah, we can pay for something to be named after us. Yeah, we'll do that. The Notre Dame bowl will take on Old Dominion.
- [136:22]
C
Bring them in.
- [136:23]
A
All right. That is not the reality of what their schedule is.
- [136:27]
D
Could run game.
- [136:28]
C
Yeah, exactly.
- [136:29]
A
Quarterback went for 200 last year. Last game. All right, let's get to a break. We are the worst. We know. We apologize. But some of this I'm so confused by. I turned on Washington, Boise State the other night after the Heisman. They were playing a bull game.
- [136:43]
B
Yeah, the LA bowl banger.
- [136:44]
C
Wait, there's college football this weekend.
- [136:46]
A
All right.
- [136:50]
E
That was the LA Bowl. Oh, yeah, I watched it.
- [136:53]
D
That was another one.
- [136:54]
A
It wasn't the only game. There's a lot of games.
- [136:56]
J
The first ever X Xbox bowl is tomorrow night.
- [136:58]
C
Okay, now I will die.
- [137:00]
J
They gave them all Xbox.
- [137:01]
F
It's pretty cool.
- [137:02]
A
I think that is pretty cool that Xbox decided now to be in the bowl game. Wasn't it PlayStation Fiesta Boy?
- [137:07]
C
Yes.
- [137:08]
A
Yeah, that's what we played.
- [137:09]
E
Bowl gifts were the best, I gotta admit, bowl gifts when we were in college was the best.
- [137:13]
C
The kids realizing they all got Xboxes was actually awesome. I want to watch because of that.
- [137:20]
A
Xbox bowl is Missouri State versus Arkansas State. You know the Red Wolves. Wow. They're favored by one and a half. They're all getting Xboxes. But you go to Myrtle beach, you actually get an opportunity to go down to Senor Frogs and have a team meeting. That is worth way more than an Xbox. If you've lived it. You know it. Shout out to senior frog.
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J
11Am Kick.
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B
Yeah.
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A
In Myrtle Beach.
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J
Yeah.
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A
That's going to be tough to get to. That's going to be tough. Myrtle beach is a good time place. That's what that is. That Senor Frogs was awesome down there. We did.
- [137:54]
E
We had a time.
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C
Should we do the simulcast on Friday.
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A
From senior frogs at 11 instead? I'll tell you, that place was awesome. I've never been to a more hospitable place. A better time for a short period of time. Okay. I was there for like three days for one of my college friends was having his bachelor party down there. Okay. We go down there and we just do Myrtle Beach. We have an Airbnb on the beach, which is obviously awesome. It's Myrtle beach, so it's spectacular. It is a hilarious scene. And then, boom, we went down to that little area of bars. I don't know. It's their version of the south side. It's a good little hangout town. There's live music. They. It's good. It's pretty good. A lot of golfing down there as well. And we ended up at Senor Frogs every night, just the whole time. And I was obviously, I was having a good time. Had a lot of money, Too much money. Should not have had the money that I had. I'm just buying shots for literally everybody in that place. From the first moment I get there till the last moment we leave. I was calling team meetings. Team meetings, everybody. And it kind of got on. We go back two years later, I think for aqs, same exact setup. House on the beach. Awesome. Spectacular. We go to Senor Frogs. I walk in there, manager guy who's still there, eyes light up, and he goes, team meeting. And I'm like, yes, actually. And we do another damage. I'm talking three days down there. And I think I did it one more time too, with somebody else. And it was like, team meeting. It's like, yes.
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C
Did you. Didn't you get poached from a Senor Frogs when you're on a cruise and you went to a party after.
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A
Yeah, and I almost. I missed the boat. I had to catch the boat at the next one. Yeah. Senior Frogs gets me, dude. Senior Frogs. Everybody knows what's going on there. Yeah. Senor Frogs. Always a good time.
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C
Great place, great place.
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A
Team meeting was real, though.
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E
Oh, yeah.
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A
We had a time there could have been a little bit of ultra. An casing at a place, too. And because of our relationship with Senor Frogs, the people that I would say lost the physical battle as well also were told that they could never come back for the rest of the week because everybody's there for the weekend, golfing, doing whatever you got going on. So it's literally like a new group every single weekend. So I would like to let the Senior Frogs people. They might still be there. I have no idea. Same crew might still be running that place. Just know you guys do a great job. And we have. I'll say this for age, you and I and I can say this amongst the others. We have gotten drunk in a lot of places around this world. And the Myrtle beach one, as good as they. One of the greatest. One of the greatest in the history. I mean, we had a blast down there. Myrtle Beach Bowl. That's what we're talking about, though. Ohio State, lsu, Myrtle beach at Myrtle. Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
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D
I don't know if we get that. This.
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A
You don't think so when they.
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B
Oh, they're back.
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A
Is this. This year?
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B
I know. Marty McGee. A big part of their deal is they go down the boardwalk, you know, they get the airbrush T shirts, they do the saltwater taffy, and then they call the game. So I'm hoping it's again this year.
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A
I don't like that there's nobody in the crowd. Okay. They change that around. Let me.
- [140:41]
E
Senior Frogs, they're watching the game from there.
- [140:44]
C
They'll get there.
- [140:45]
A
Yep, they got a good Senior Frogs there. Good little deck on the back. On the outside, too. See, that might be it right there.
- [140:51]
B
They are an airbrush T shirt, saltwater taffy.
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A
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B
Football.
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A
It is magical. That's A.J. hawk. I like that. Talks and tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt 9 year NFL vet Darius J. Butler Host of Everything DB, good D bad D which we will see in a matter of moments. In 12 year NFL vet Super bowl champion AQ Shipley is here. AQ, it's Wednesday, which means it's time to learn which offensive lines were good, which offensive lines were bad. Let's go to the top five performing offensive lines of week 15 in the trenches with AQ ship. Who's the number five performing offensive line? The Rams. Congratulations to the number one team in the NFC.
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E
I love this group right now and I love the two headed monster they have with Kyron Williams and Blake Corn. But their offensive line has been fantastic. Great in pass pro, great in the run game. Simple outside zone play here to the right. I love this pool around by the center. You cut the defense, you get that and then all of a sudden there goes Kyron Williams. 70 plus yards for him, 70 plus yards for Blake Corm each of the last couple weeks.
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A
So I think what the Rams wanted to do initially is just punch the Lions in the mouth. Okay. And they walked right down and right through this Detroit Lions team. But it's not just the Lions. They were able to do it. It seems like they do it to a lot of teams. McVeigh's team. Stafford MVP favorite. They are not scared to pound the rock though.
- [143:28]
E
No, and he does a great job. I think he takes a look at what the defense is doing on the first drive of the game. Like last week against the Car Cardinals. They come out and they go dime because they think the Rams are just going to throw the ball all over the yard. They come out and dime, he just starts pounding the rock and they just boom, 10 yards, 10 yards, 10 yards, boom. Break one. And then all of a sudden you get a touchdown.
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A
So then against the Lions do the same thing.
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E
Basically do the same thing.
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A
Wow, Foxy, it's tough times this year. You're on the receiving end of that. And Matthew Stafford always going to have a little bit of spite towards the Detroit Lions with how that all went down. Yeah, I'll tell you what, everyone's talking about Stafford, Puka, Devonte in that game. The run game impressed me more than anything. The Lions all year long have been really good against the run, except for in that game right there, which proves how good the Rams really are.
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C
The Lions too are just like the Chargers. Like they're always snake bit by injury. It feels like that it's too much to overcome against, you know, the teams like the Rams who are at the top of the league.
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A
Who's the number four performing offensive line from week 15?
- [144:21]
E
The Philadelphia Eagles are back in the mix.
- [144:24]
A
Way to go. Everything's up and to the right. 31 zip.
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B
Yeah.
- [144:27]
E
Big shout out to Fred Johnson. He's been filling in for Lane Johnson very admirably. But here's why I wanted to put this play on. Could have shown a bunch of other runs, but this is why their empty run package has been one of the best over the years. If you remember back to when Jason Kelce was there, they would do the draw, they would do all the different things out of empty. They got back to it a little bit this week. Jaylen Herz hasn't run it very much, but here you go. You get the empty package, you get the draw. Get him out in space. This is what they need to do moving forward towards the playoffs.
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A
Third and 12 here. So obviously the Raiders will to drop everybody. That's why they don't have. That's why they have a massive hole on the defensive line right in front of where the quarterback is. They were looking for an obvious pass situation.
- [145:04]
E
100% they think it's pass. But again, this is what they can do and this is what Jaylen Herz can do. But also, if you guys haven't noticed, the Raiders have been on the receiving end of this almost every week all season long.
- [145:13]
H
So bad.
- [145:14]
E
Yeah, not good.
- [145:15]
C
So bad.
- [145:16]
A
I thought cuz Tom Brazer, he's got.
- [145:19]
B
To give Pete some time to get his guys in there.
- [145:21]
A
He's running fired them all.
- [145:23]
B
Oh yeah, that's a good point.
- [145:24]
C
New guys though. His second batch is always his best batch.
- [145:28]
A
Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, he's gone soon.
- [145:33]
B
Yeah.
- [145:35]
A
I mean, so what are they?
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C
Well, I mean, there's a guy.
- [145:38]
A
Raiders.
- [145:38]
C
There's a guy they might get at the top of the draft that might turn that whole entire place around.
- [145:42]
A
Mendoza so good at football.
- [145:44]
C
He's got power. I mean, we. We talked about Mahomes and Kelsey. Like all the Raiders need is a quarterback for that. Brock Bowers fell with Jinty.
- [145:53]
E
They need five guys up front, period.
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D
Five.
- [145:56]
C
Allegedly the rookie they just put in is really, really good in the online coach have been holding him back the whole entire year and I don't even want to go into the third round.
- [146:03]
E
Pick. Yeah, he's done a good job. And Colton Miller's their best offensive lineman. He's been out for injuries. So maybe not five, maybe three.
- [146:09]
A
Chicago did that one offseason.
- [146:10]
E
Go get three.
- [146:11]
C
Just Chicago Patriots did as well. Yeah.
- [146:13]
A
Tom Brady obviously is around there. So we assume sound decisions will be made, but they've struck out on everything they did this year. I mean, that is a clean sweep. You know, it's just like with the jets, everybody's like, they. They got a lot of opportunity to make the right decision and kind of fix this entire thing next year. It's like they already picked Justin Fields, didn't they? That didn't work. The owner came out and was like, if we don't even. We'll have a quarterback on a football field. So, I mean, that whole thing. So we assume they'll get it right. We assume Tom Brady will get it right, A.J.
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I
So yeah, we all. We assume. I guess the question. Question is how long does it take?
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H
I don't know how's.
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A
No not getting into it.
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C
What's that?
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I
Gotta get your franchise quarterback first. But yeah, you definitely should, you know, finish your thought.
- [146:53]
C
How's what.
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A
Nope.
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D
Looks like it was gonna be a good question.
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I
It was gonna be very good.
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A
Well, I was just gonna say like, I assume Tom Brady gets it right because that's like, just like what Tom Brady.
- [147:04]
B
I'm not assuming that anymore.
- [147:05]
A
TB12 went big, right? Is. It's.
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B
Yeah.
- [147:09]
C
Big into the.
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A
Into the noble brand, right, soldier?
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I
I mean, there's no guarantee, I guess. There's no guarantee me Michael Jordan was the owner of a basketball squad.
- [147:18]
C
Yeah, exactly.
- [147:19]
A
Exactly.
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B
He's not playing. He's not coaching. He's not. I mean, how often is he actually there?
- [147:23]
A
Well, we heard he was pretty in the off.
- [147:26]
B
In the off season and then the season started and he's got his job with Fox. So it's like, how much is he. I mean, I assume, you know, he owns a piece of the team, so he's probably. Probably involved to some degree. But, like, he has a full time job with Fox.
- [147:39]
A
We assume Tom Brady will figure it out. All in favor say aye. Aye.
- [147:43]
I
Aye. Whoa.
- [147:45]
A
It was a quiet room right there. You didn't say anything.
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D
You didn't say, I want to.
- [147:51]
E
I do, too.
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D
To Ty's point, he's not there. If you told me Tom was going to be there every day. 100. 100. He figured it out. But doing this and being a part owner and maybe doing. Being there more in the off season, I don't see it.
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A
This man was. Had his hands inside of your thighs. Thank you, Shipley.
- [148:08]
E
But he's not there during the season. Not there during the season. And you got to fix the offensive line. They fix the offensive line, they'll be all right.
- [148:14]
A
And you get Fernando Mendoza. Maybe he starts. Who's calling the plays, though? Who's.
- [148:18]
C
Well, that's. I think that's the biggest thing for me. Like, I think he screwed up hiring Pete Carroll and like that. That was the big. And Chip. Yeah, like, that was the bit. The. The staff itself. Like, I. I think if you. If he gets. And this guy.
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A
Who's that?
- [148:35]
E
The offensive line.
- [148:36]
B
Oh, Jesus. I knew you were taking it. That's Pete's son.
- [148:39]
C
Yeah.
- [148:39]
B
Okay.
- [148:40]
C
Yeah. Come on.
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I
I didn't see him. Oh, there he is.
- [148:43]
E
There he is right there.
- [148:44]
A
What's that? What is that? He's Undertaker.
- [148:46]
E
That's what he was doing the whole interview. You haven't seen this video?
- [148:48]
C
No, no. No idea what you're talking about.
- [148:51]
E
Yes. Everybody's seen it.
- [148:53]
A
Everybody. I am not. We talk.
- [148:56]
E
Talked about it weeks ago.
- [148:58]
A
Oh, it feels like you might have had good conversations about this. He's giving.
- [149:02]
E
I think I watched it with Conor.
- [149:04]
C
I don't really watch stuff guy.
- [149:06]
A
The guy. I'm watching the video down on the small screen. Maybe we did see this a long time ago. It's when he was blinking, but he wasn't really there. You know, it's. Everybody operates differently.
- [149:16]
C
He looks like Dwight Sch's brother.
- [149:17]
A
Yeah. Whatever the case, you're saying whole new O line is needed.
- [149:20]
E
Yeah. Whole new offensive staff, I think is where we're heading.
- [149:23]
A
And then obviously they get rid of McMahon as well. Special teams, whole new. Whole new operation.
- [149:28]
B
They haven't fired their defensive coordinator yet, even though the defense sucks, too.
- [149:31]
A
But 31 zip right there and always ended up on the receiving end. Of the best offensive lines in the league.
- [149:37]
C
Yep.
- [149:37]
A
They'll figure it out there. Max Crosby's here and Brock Bowers.
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I
Genti. You got Genti as well.
- [149:43]
A
They could turn that around. I think that's a special place. Could be a special.
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D
A lot of things. Defense, offensive staff, especially for new old lineman, franchise quarterback. I mean, it can't be done off season.
- [149:55]
A
Tom Brady.
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D
Yeah, he could do it.
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A
Sure, Tom Brady could do it if he's more hands on. Con man said he believes. I believe in Tom Brady as well. All right, let's go to the number three performing offensive line out of week 15, Houston, Texas. I thought they were just a good defense.
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E
They're starting to get better. They're starting to get better on the offensive line. Big Trent Brown playing well. He's about £400 out there. Big number 77 right there at the right tackle. This old school duo. Best playing football. Watch this hole open up right between center and guard. Look at that thing. Woody Marks, this guy's unbelievable. Before he got hurt, scored an unbelievable touchdown on a fake. What do you want to call it?
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D
Fake snap.
- [150:32]
E
Was the snap. But pretty awesome. But this is the best play in football. All the teams that are going to play in the playoffs are good at this particular play because you get double teams and it's a physical football player.
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I
Yeah.
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A
And you got to be able to just move men. Like, you got to be able to move men. This is a powerful football play. This is showcasing what you are, I guess. And we talk about the Raiders always being on this. Feels like the Cardinals also are weak because AQ sees it live and in person. He goes, wow, his team actually pretty good. Whenever I'm watching him play against his Cardinals team, is that potentially the case? Well, is it the Cardinals? Because I saw Calais Campbell block a kick and then I obviously saw them lose by 20 again. But is it the D line? Is it just. Or the Houston Texans offensive line is for real against whoever they're playing?
- [151:14]
E
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. I think the Cardinals have really gone downhill in defense the last couple of weeks. So they've been on here, obviously on the receiving end the last couple weeks, But I think this Houston Texans team up front has gotten better. They've got the run game going. They like Woody Marks. They released Damian Pierce, who I used to really like as a running back because they like Woody Marks, the rookie running back. And then obviously CJ Stroud's been really good. They're starting to get. They're starting to get rolling right at the right time.
- [151:42]
A
That was from the soul right there. Congratulations on being voted the number two local booth in the entire NFL. Wow.
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F
Congrats.
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I
Thank you.
- [151:50]
E
Thank you.
- [151:52]
A
It was about 35 different commentary teams that were scored because some teams have a rotating crew that call the local radio version of NFL games. Really the backbone, I think, of the NFL is the local crew. Because back in the day, that was the only way you could really follow your team. They were the voice of the team. They told the story of the team in which your town had. Myron Cope, obviously, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is a huge piece of the Pittsburgh Steelers story, but it's also a huge piece of our lives whenever we were growing up and how he decided to call a game and what he decided to point out was what everybody knew. So you stepping in and doing it in one year and it doesn't matter who's doing the voting and whether or not we have any respect for them as a group, but the fact that there is voting and you end up being second as opposed to anywhere else, you should be incredibly proud of, especially for your first.
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C
Thank you.
- [152:45]
A
Congratulations.
- [152:46]
E
Appreciate that.
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A
You're not ass.
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E
Try not to be.
- [152:49]
A
I guess there's some real ass teams out there. Sounds like from the read up. I guess there's some really terrible stuff. I guess we only hear it in the preseason. Remember, that's a showcase. Preseason is when we're going to fly find out about you because the local teams do a lot of the games. So whenever we're watching preseason games, we hear the local crew and boy, some of them are terrible. But we're gonna have a gift whenever you're on our team.
- [153:10]
E
Well, it's also the hardest time to call games because there's 90 guys on the roster. So you're trying to learn all these names of guys who probably aren't going to be there. It's a little tougher.
- [153:17]
C
Ever been higher?
- [153:19]
E
Little tougher in the preseason.
- [153:20]
D
That's big, too. NFL, like, got to know the names. You got to know where they.
- [153:25]
A
Oh, yeah, you got to know what?
- [153:26]
D
What? Like got to know that.
- [153:27]
A
Yeah, you got to know an important content, especially if you're the local guy. Like, hey, we are coming to you. You are the one that is supposed to know. So we would like you to know. We're proud of you. We're happy for you.
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E
Appreciate it.
- [153:39]
A
And we're happy you're not ass out there. Thank you. No problem. Speaking of not ass, who's the number two offensive line coming out of week 15?
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H
Yeah.
- [153:44]
E
These next two certainly aren't number two. The Chicago Bears.
- [153:47]
A
Wow.
- [153:49]
E
Yeah, I really like this group. Obviously, Caleb Williams played fantastic in this game, but the run game is continuing to impress. It starts up front with a Ben Johnson team. Let's watch this outside zone here to the right. We're going to send 81 in motion. He serves as the fullback.
- [154:01]
B
Look at.
- [154:01]
C
Go.
- [154:02]
E
Let's run that back one more time. Look at big Darnell Wright. He's going to work with Colston Loveland on the combo. He's got a peek inside because that's his backer. Yeah, just get a little shoulder on him. Open that big hole. Swift does the rest. See you keep it moving and get in the end zone.
- [154:14]
A
Miles Garrett had seven sacks, but I understand that the Chicago. The Bears offensive line is getting better. They invested in it in the off season, and it's a necessity. Right, for this offense that Ben Johnson runs.
- [154:25]
E
Yeah, they've been fantastic. I think Joe Tunies having as good a year as he's ever had, and he's one of the best to ever do it. I think obviously what they've done in bringing in three new guys in the middle and then what Darnell Wright has turned into, in my opinion, he's the best right tackle in football right now.
- [154:39]
A
Ben Johnson's offensive calling and play design help offensive linemen or how. How do you think he gets three new people to buy in so quickly in gel together?
- [154:47]
E
Yeah, it's. It's very similar to what Shanahan, McVeigh do. They do such a good job. It's all this right there. You get people to bump, you create new leverage. You get people to bump out of the box, and then you create leverage where everybody's working back. So everything that he does with the window dressing, with the shifts, with the motions, it helps the boys up front. And then you're always working back to a guy instead of working out, leveraged for. To the front side guy.
- [155:08]
A
So maybe the Raiders try to find somebody like Ben Johnson's offense, but is there anybody like Ben Johnson?
- [155:14]
E
There's. I mean, Shanahan and McVey are as good as they come, but they're completely different than what Ben Johnson's doing. He's creative, but he also does a fantastic job of setting things up. It's very similar to McVeigh, and Shanahan does the same thing. So those three are.
- [155:27]
A
You're saying different style offenses, different style.
- [155:29]
E
Offenses, but they all do a great job. If you watch just the film, I mean, you know this. It's different than watching the TV copy.
- [155:35]
C
But you.
- [155:35]
E
Because now you can get a feel for how they sequence their plays. And if you watch it, it's like, oh, okay, play four, they did this. Play nine, they did this. But that's off of play four. Then you see play 16, and it was something off of play four, little different than nine got to a different formation. But all of a sudden on play 15, they got to what they wanted to get.
- [155:52]
A
So that's Luke Kikley earlier saying, whenever somebody does something, you have to start thinking, like, wait, why did they show us that they're looking to do something else? These guys do this actively and every single week.
- [156:02]
E
Absolutely. And I think I've heard. I heard a great quote from Shanahan one time where it said that he's watching the limelight linebackers. And all he's doing is watching the linebackers on all of the runs early. And when he sees the linebackers fully commit to the run, that's when the play action pass comes.
- [156:17]
A
Yeah, we gotta wait until we get him on the hook.
- [156:19]
E
Yep.
- [156:19]
A
We gotta wait until we get him sucked up. AJ all they're trying to do is Shanahan was just eyeballing you the whole time, seeing if he got you sucked up or not.
- [156:26]
I
Yeah, he's smart. I tell you what, though, you. You get a few, like, good 8, 10, 12 yard runs early in the game, you're gonna suck. Those linebackers is up very quick.
- [156:34]
A
Yeah, those long ones get sucked up quick, you know, because you have to respect it. Geez.
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I
Have to.
- [156:41]
A
And you used to stick your nose up in there, too, didn't you? I mean, you had to.
- [156:45]
I
I mean. Yeah, a good hard run fake will get you sucked up, no question.
- [156:48]
A
And you. Because you don't want another long one coming down, you know, you don't want another one of those. You don't want one of those.
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I
You throw your head up in there and you're screwed, man. See ya.
- [156:58]
A
Oh, I didn't even think about getting screwed in this entire thing. Geez Louise, you're right. I guess one thing thing leads to who's the number one offensive line in week 15 of the NFL season?
- [157:11]
E
The Buffalo Bills.
- [157:14]
B
Wow.
- [157:14]
A
AFC East, Wayne supreme, man.
- [157:17]
C
Yeah.
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E
The interesting thing was New England was right there until they end up blowing this game because they had a great performance up front as well. But you take a look at this. Remember what we talked about earlier? That duo play? Remember when we watched what the Buffalo Bills did to the Pittsburgh Steelers a couple weeks ago? It was that duo Play. Guess what? When push comes to shove and they need something, give it to Cook on the duo play. Look at the boys open up. That whole. Osiris Torrance has been fantastic. Backside guard, David Edwards, great job opening that thing up. Spencer Brown, all the boys up front have been fantastic.
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A
A.J. how's this stoppable.
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J
What.
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A
What happens here? Because it feels like there's pretty good thuds, pretty good contact. It's just. Oh, it works. Go ahead.
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I
Safety. Safety's got to make a tough tackle in space to get downhill. But yeah, you got to. Somehow I don't. You got to find a way to get. I don't know. I mean, they do a decent job building a wall there for the Patriots, but it's. Yeah, look, safety's got to be down instantly making a play.
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E
Foxy, can you pause it right there? Okay, so right there. So if you pause it right there, obviously the hole is front side and he hits. He hits it exactly where he's supposed to hit it. It's a front side, a gap between center and guard play. But here's the thing. If you run this play over and over and over again, then what happens is. See that backside linebacker and the top left of that center circle, that's holding like holding like this on the backside guard. Well, then they start to get a little bit nosy. They play over the top. Remember a couple weeks ago I said the juiciest cut in football? It's that backside A gap, B gap right there. And that's what happens. You get them to bite and get nosy over the top, and then boom, you hit it out the backside.
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A
Yeah, but dbut he can't get sucked up there as a safety because then they'll drop one over top of him.
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C
Right.
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D
It's tough down in the corner if he does that, but you got to show up and be that extra guy. Feel that alley, as we call it. But I mean, it's a one on one tackle with James Cook in the open field. And James Cook, would he just get paid 20 something million dollars a year? Like he's not getting paid that money or. Or how. Not that much, but a bunch of money to break tackles in open field. So that's what he's going to do.
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A
James Cook is a very good player.
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D
Unbelievable.
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E
Phenomenal.
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A
He's unbelievable football player.
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E
They got as good a blocking tight ends as they have in the league, too. They drafted Jackson Hawes, who's fantastic. Knox has been fantastic. Yeah, they're great.
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C
Jack.
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E
Jack, they've been great.
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A
Congrats. To the top five performing offensive lines of week 15. Those are really good football teams. All those teams very much alive. All those teams can very much win in Lombardi at this stage. What AQ Shipley saying is it's going to be the Buffalo Bills unless he does what he did last year, which is put the team that has the best offensive line at one and then say, well, actually it's going to be the fourth best offensive line that's going to win it all. And then we're saying, well, why are we judging what the offensive lines are saying then if it's not the one, it's going to be the four. And he said, well, it's not just the offensive line line is playing. It's like, well, that's kind of the entire point of the whole thing.
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C
Yeah.
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A
You remember that?
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B
I do, yeah. He put the Eagles at 1, but didn't think they were gonna win the Super Bowl. Because you hate Jalen hurts Scott.
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A
So you couldn't even take the, couldn't even take the victory lap on you having the Philadelphia Eagles is the best offensive line and winning the super bowl because you were contradicting yourself throughout a majority of the season.
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E
It's because I celebrated early. When I FaceTimed you guys last year, Stafford was getting ready to drive for the game winning touchdown. Then he got sacked twice. You guys remember that? You guys were all watching.
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A
Yeah, we're in Atlanta.
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I
Yeah.
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E
I said, here we go.
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D
Watch here go Jalen Corp. And then.
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E
You guys called me back like two minutes later like, what the hell happened?
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A
Did you do that also for a certain college football.
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E
Yeah, Penn State, Indiana game? Yeah, I was trying to really early celebrate that one.
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A
Yeah, you were. And I think I actually said to you, mendoza is about to walk down the field.
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E
It's exactly what you said.
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A
And he actually did. It was awesome to watch. I didn't know if the kid had it in him. I didn't know if Mendoza had it in him. 100 some thousand guys still showing up to those games, right? Yeah, the cult very much there. Pennsylvania. Penn State has talent everywhere that could be very good. Could say, oh, maybe they're front runners. They just hadn't had to lead a lot. So now they're going to put them away. It's like Mendoza stands there, takes a seven yard sack first play. All right, let's rattle it off, boys. You know, I assume that's exactly what Mendoza said, right? Back in next play and then delivers in crunch time which would then go on to lead to be the Only undefeated team in college football. The number one seed in the entire entire country.
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D
Oh, yeah.
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A
Heisman winner. Number one overall pick. What a moment. And you were trying to think it wasn't gonna happen.
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E
Well, I mean, if that dipshit DB would have just pushed him out the.
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C
Back of the end zone.
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D
He tried.
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E
What the hell are we doing here? There was a playing in an NFL game this week where I saw it and I facetime my dad. My dad's like, if only a pet.
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A
Fake guy would have done that. Yeah. Immediately I was gonna think about that. Terry Smith could have had a couple more wins.
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C
Yeah. And they might be playing in the.
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A
Xbox bowl or Mayo Bowl.
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C
Sure.
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E
Either of these bowls playing in a bowl game.
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A
What?
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D
Penn State.
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E
Penn State's in the Pinstripe bowl versus Clemson.
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B
Yankee Stadium.
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A
How many wins you guys have?
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E
Six and six.
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A
Wow, you guys got bowl eligible. Yeah.
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C
Terry Smith brought him back.
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E
Three in a row at the end.
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A
Is Matt Campbell coaching that or who is Terry coaching? Terry's coaching as you should send him out.
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E
And he's remaining on staff. Highest paid assistant college football. That's a non coordinator.
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A
Congratulations. Terry earned it. Western Pennsylvania got the boys together. What's that?
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D
They each it up. Opted out of that one.
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A
Oh, the Pinstripe Bowl. Yeah.
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B
It's a play in the outfield of Yankee Stadium, dude.
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D
Exactly.
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E
Babe Ruth.
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D
Exactly. Penn State we're talking about.
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B
Yeah. Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, they played in that stadium.
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A
Pinstripe bowl heard that Penn State heard that Penn State was playing. They heard that they were playing and they were just thanking a God. The conversations behind were like, no way Penn State accepts this, Right? No way.
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E
Well, Clemson too. Think of that storyline. Those were two top five preseason teams.
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A
Penn State's going to sell out that stadium though. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. The Pinstripe bowl is like, yeah, thank God. Tell Penn State it's a good idea. Tell them it's a good idea because their natural instinct is going to be, no, we're not going to play in this Pinstripe Bowl. So you got to go in there and tell them it's good, it's good, it's good. But really for us, this is our only option to sell this out. Last year we had 15% occupancy in this thing. It was the most empty the Yankee Stadium has ever been. So if we can somehow get Penn State to think it's a good idea, that would be great for our business. Somebody went in there and was like, one more game for Terry Smith, that's it. They did it. And you guys are going to fill that place up.
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C
Yeah.
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E
I think nine of our guys have already opted out of the game, though.
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A
Yeah, but Penn State people will fill this up for sure. Because that is literally. And the amount of Penn State people in New York, I assume.
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E
Yeah, that's. That's 80% of our demographic.
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A
Oh, good. For the pinstripe bowl. See, this is what I'm talking about. That's good business. We need whoever's running a pinstripe bowl that was able to talk Penn State in into doing this. That person needs to be doing more in the conversation and making things happen. Now you were talking about who played in that stadium, who didn't play in that stadium. Yeah, the great Bambino.
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B
Right. None of those guys played that. New Yankee stadium is fairly new. So there really isn't any of the rich history tradition that I was referring to, which is probably why every single year the pinstripe bull is like, all right, let's just get Rutgers in here. They're six and six. We got enough people close enough. Piscataway. Maybe they can't come to Yankee stadium in the summer. They won't come see in the winter. So that'll work. So I. I would agree. I'm sure they are absolutely thrilled.
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C
And it was probably the president. Allegedly. The president just knows what she's doing up in Penn State. She was probably the one that said, you know what? I know where we should play because I know where everyone will go.
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A
New York, pinstripe ball. I do wonder if they negotiated a percentage of the ticketing sales. Like, hey, we get a percentage of the ticket sales though, because we are going to fill your opinion. Strike. Bowl up. So congratulations to you guys. There's a chance that that's happening. Good business up there. Penn State.
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D
Matt Rule. He won it last year.
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C
Let's check in with Matt Rul later.
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D
Beat boss.
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H
We just saw him.
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D
He's out the bottom.
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C
Oh, yeah, Good point.
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D
Might be rolling around.
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C
Yeah.
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A
We got a wrap, right?
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B
Yeah.
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D
Yeah.
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A
On his jeep.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Clean four wheeler.
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A
Like a side by side golf car rules high. It's not golf cart.
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D
It's definitely not a golf cart. Fox.
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A
That was a golf cart.
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I
It's a U. UTV One of one.
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A
Utility ultra terrain vehicle.
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I
Not an atv. Side by side.
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A
I call it four wheeler.
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I
No, that's a four wheeler.
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E
Like a can.
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I
Side by side. Yeah, like a can am type.
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A
So we, where we come from, quad. Yeah, it's quad. Some people call that a four wheeler, though.
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I
So I call that A four wheeler.
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H
That's what I call.
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A
Okay, so you guys call that a four wheeler. We call it quad. Side by side is the two seater with the trailer yellow truck bed. What do you call the. I call it a four wheeler. The one that's like a little outdoor car. There's two seats in the back, two in the front. It's like a little buggy looking thing but it's awesome. What do you call that one?
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I
Is that like a Can Am. Like a Can Am type dune buggy situation you're thinking?
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A
Yeah, like a souped up. It would not. This is a golf cart. My eyes. But like I was used to call.
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B
It a gator cuz that was like.
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A
The John brand of it. So the gator for me the gator is the truck. The back thing. Can you pull up?
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B
You're saying doesn't have a bed behind it at all?
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A
Yes. Yeah. I'm saying the seats are in that instead.
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C
So it's a.
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A
For this. Yeah. I was. I would call this one for rule a side by side purse. Cuz it's a two seater with a truck bed in the back. Basically is what this one is. Once get to it. Once they get to it. Oh my God.
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B
Nah. Yeah, you gotta. You got a ways to go here.
- [166:05]
E
Promo.
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A
Yeah. This is an awesome allterrain vehicle. In my eyes is an incredible usage around if you have any property. Okay. So that's the one that's side by side. I call that one a side by side as well. Four wheeler is the one that I. The. The little car. It's like a. Forget it. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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E
See I thought a polarity. Polaris. Razor.
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A
Razor. Like a razor? Yes, like one of those.
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E
Yeah. That's what you're calling like the little mini car thing.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I agree. But they call these four wheelers which are quads.
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E
Yeah, me too.
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A
I love quads. I'm a big quad guy.
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E
We say all the same stuff because it's Pittsburgh. We were talking about that.
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A
Yeah. But we learned we're wrong. I think everybody else actually I think they're everybody else.
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C
That's right.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Vernacular.
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A
Have you heard about Kennywood's upgrade? Did you see what I posted?
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E
I mean that roller coaster is not Kennywood. First of all that thing's unbelievable.
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A
Yeah. They put it in a dome like they did down there in Disney World.
- [166:57]
E
That's at Kennywood.
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A
They're building it.
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C
Right.
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A
Zero chance that's two seater razor. Yeah. This would be a two seater Razor I would call this four wheeler as well. But there's four seaters of these.
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I
That's more of like a dune buggy sport type thing. Matt rules things. Not exactly a work that I have a side by side with the snow plow that I recently got. And I've been dominating the snow recently.
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A
In the last.
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I
We've had two different snows. I've plowed four or five different driveways.
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A
You got to put sandbags in the back of that thing though to give you a little bit more weight on the wheels there to keep that.
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C
I probably should.
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I
I probably should. But it's actually. It's enough heavy duty right now that I haven't had to put anything in the back.
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A
These bad boys right there. These things wide ass open. Good times.
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I
These are fast.
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A
These are dangerous. Me and Nick almost died in one of these in the woods of Indiana. Almost died. Almost flipped that thing pretty quickly.
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B
You got it though.
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A
Saved it. Beer saved. Should be doing it, by the way. Should not be doing any of the things that we were doing. Zero seat belts. Flying through woods wide open. We're turning to the left around a tree. Okay, got it. No problem. Been in this thing. Maybe we even do a little fishtail on this thing. Maybe a little bit of drift. Very comfortable with car. Very comfortable with this thing. Had been driving it a pretty good amount. And I, I think we were, I'd say pretty tuned up at the time.
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B
A couple pops.
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A
So pretty comfortable and confident in basically anything at time, which is part of the problem. I'm not saying others should do this ever. He shouldn't. We go around there and then we catch a groove and that thing goes up on two wheels. Oh no. We. We work that thing back. Okay, now we're going back the other way. Now we're up on two wheels the other way. Now I put leg out. Okay.
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B
I'm going to stabilize the force.
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A
I'm going to save us. I'm going to save us in this thing. Pretty much the only thing we couldn't.
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J
Afford to lose in that moment was.
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A
Legs, legs out in this thing because it gets up on this wheel, cut it back. We get back onto all four wheels and we stop.
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B
Stop.
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A
And there's a. We look at each other. Pretty big whole boy. No seat belts either of us. They certainly have full rigs that you're supposed to have on. And there was crew of great hill jacks. I'll say. Great. So great out. Great people.
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C
Indiana boys.
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A
Yeah, Indiana boys. They were Indiana boys. We were with out there and they just looked at it like, wow, you know, one of those. And then it was an immediate beer where radio right back into it. And then we're supposed to just keep going as if that didn't happen. And we did. I would say we had to power along to showcase for Western Pennsylvania. But those things are awesome.
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C
Those are the.
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A
Those are the coolest things in the woods, if you can get those. Because it. It does feel as if you're untouchable in those, but you're not know that you can die.
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C
Obviously some of them have the full cage where like you can roll and just boom, boom, boom.
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A
They said full cage. They said, oh, nice. We had no seat belt on.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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A
So that almost makes it worse because now you're. Now you're bouncing around the cage.
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B
Frankie, your neck.
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A
He's down.
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H
You're.
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A
Now you're in the entire. It was bad idea. We. Immediately. This one right here. Immediately. Yep. I think we need to. And I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm going. Stop doing that.
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B
Shut the beard down real quick.
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A
Let's go ahead and let's get through this the rest of the day. I was quite a buzz kill going forward. I like the way the outdoors people live, though. Like those quads. This thing should go 70, 80, 90 miles an hour. It's like, holy. Then you get some of these ingenuitive southerns outdoors. I don't know what to call them. Obviously break off the governor. We're not gonna do that. But then the way they're able to soup these things up to go speeds that there's no way the body of these. The frame of these things is supposed to go. The center of gravity is nowhere near low enough for the car to be or whatever to be going that fast. And then the sound of it is just waa wide ass open. It's like, you guys have a good time out here. Jesus fucking Christ. Souping it up is actually a big part of the hobby to them. I think they like doing that more than writing it.
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H
Almost.
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A
Yeah. Then cleaning it afterwards and then fixing it afterwards. It's a whole part of the process. It's a wind down. There's some music. It's a whole thing. Yeah, we need to start doing that. We should do that. We live in Indiana. We can do that. We need to do that for Bluey anyways. That's the only way we're gonna be able to get that fucker tired. Gonna have to be on quads, running him in circle. We're gonna have to tag in and out. Just doing laps around this place. You think you'll be able to take care of Blue? Maybe whenever you come in come out here at aq.
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C
Sure.
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A
Are you a dog person?
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E
I was a dog person.
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A
Now you're cats.
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E
Full cat. Two cats. It's great.
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A
Dan Orlovsky said he hates cats.
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C
Didn't he did say that makes sense.
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E
I mean cats are the coolest thing on earth. You can't say you hate cats if you've never had cats.
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G
Coolest on earth.
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E
Would you agree?
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A
I like cats.
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D
I I it's kind of sneaky.
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A
I'm not going to get into coolest.
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C
On earth is a little much.
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A
I'm, I'm gonna say you I'm. We got tell Orlovsky you just said.
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D
That he please dogs obviously.
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C
M I mean they're statically gonna beat your ass.
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E
They're 0.06% DNA away from a lion. I mean what are we talking about here, people?
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A
Yeah, I agree. Hey, living room lion, bro. It's a real deal.
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C
06. You're big stats guy now.
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E
I watched I watched exactly what he just said lying in my living room documentary on Netflix a couple years ago.
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A
And showcases how they can land on their feet all the time and how athletic they are and how agile. Arlovsky doesn't want to hear it. He's done with your shit. All right, let's wrap up this glorious Wednesday by learning about the defensive side of the ball. It's always such a magical thing to be able to hear what's good and what's bad in good D. Bad D Presented by everything DB and Darius Butler.
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D
We'll start in Chicago and they've been on here a ton, leading the NFL and interceptions. C.J. g.J. Has had some good games. He had a rough game against the pack, but he's had some good games outside of that. This is great disguise against the rookie Shador Sanders. If you start running back from the beginning, Foxy starting on the line of scrimmage, showing middle close and going to get to a cover three, three deep, four underneath. He is the flat defender and when you start up on the line of scrimmage with this disguise, it is very important that you get width just as much you get your depth because that width actually becomes your depth. So you'll see him as he gets gets wider. He continues to climb against Fanning junior tight end here climbs fools the quarterback jumps up high, points the ball. Great job by cj dj veteran play fooling the rookie quarterback.
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A
I love the Fact that the Chicago Bears are being celebrated on in the trenches and everything. DB every week.
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D
Yep.
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A
If you want to win, these are two places you would like to be showcased at. Embarrassment. Ben Johnson once again has been able to establish this as just a normal thing for this Bears team when this has not been normal for what, the course of their entire existence?
- [173:21]
C
Long time.
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D
I mean, we saw him in the Super Bowl. Was that 06? And kind of since then, they haven't been a great team. But when they were in the super bowl, they had a great defense. So you got a defense that's feasting on turnovers and their best linebackers getting healthy. So he'll be activated soon with Edmonds, but their DBs have been great buyer. We see him on here a bunch. Wright, Jalen Johnson, he had an interception as well. He's finding his form. So, yeah, they're hitting on all the cylinders. And if you're in Chicago, if you're in this division, you want to be able to run the football, obviously, and you want to be able to take the football away. That's always a great recipe for success.
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A
Stealing possessions is good news. The weather's going to get bad. How can you do. Wait a minute. Let's see another good D, it looks like from everything. Db.
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D
Hell yeah. This is what you kind of visualize, I believe, last Friday with the reigning defensive line player of the year, Patrick Certain. And right here is quarters coverage. Now worth some opportunities for the Rams to be on here, but they kept. They gave up a couple of touchdowns against the Lions, both in quarters coverage, both with a post. And the reason you see that route against quarters coverage, you'll see right here with the leverage. We talk about leverage a lot. Patrick Certain is going to be outside leverage against the post. Pause it here. So quarters coverage, the safety, he's reading number two. So you run it back to beginning his number two two blocks. And when your tight end blocks, that kind of sits you down. You become a part of the run fit. Right. Because if they do run this ball, he has a gap. He's kind of that half man in the box when they don't run, when it's the play action. Now, as that safety is your responsibility to be underneath that number one receiver, you should take away the curl, you should be underneath the curl route, underneath the dig right route, and then you'll be underneath the post route as well. So the corner, you're going to be outside and over the top. And then an op, perfect world, you'll be able to undercut and make this play. Christian Watson, obviously a blazer, one of the fastest receivers in the league. If you let it run here, you got to have confidence, you got to have speed. You saw him just put the head down, then get back, track the ball and go up and make a phenomenal play on the football.
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A
This Denver Broncos team's everything on the defensive side that we thought they'd be. And how come Vance doesn't really get talked about for head coaching much?
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D
I think he will. I think people have been around balls since that 70 point game he gave up against the Dolphins. This defense has been obviously with the sack numbers, they've been on a record pace. And then they got guys on the back end that can cover who Funga was a great, great signing coming over, but certain obviously his season has been kind of shortened with the injury. He set out some games. Riley Moss, he got an interception on the tip ball and crossing route, but he's a very good cover man as well. And then the guys up front, they mix it up and they'll get after you, you know, all game long. So there'll be a tough team to beat. With Bo Nix playing how he's playing, very similar to what Caleb Woods. Caleb probably had his best outing of the year as far as throwing the football. If they can find their footed, Bo had his best outing here on offense as well. So they're clicking on the right, right cylinders at the right time.
- [176:03]
C
There's a chance too, like Vance might fall into that Josh McDaniels bucket where it's like, hey, I've done the head coach thing. Like, I got the best defense in the NFL and Sean Payton certain, yeah, you got the Waltons who can pay me as much as Sean Payton says or I wants. Like the Broncos and Patriots both might have their offensive defensive guys kind of set for the Ford and young quarterbacks.
- [176:24]
D
Like, yeah, hold on.
- [176:25]
A
Yeah, hold on, Broncos. Hold on. Patriots. Congrats to Broncos defense getting showcased yet again. Oh, is this good.
- [176:32]
D
Another team who's been on here a ton, the Los Angeles Chargers. Now typically they pay play a ton of zone coverage. I believe still in the top of the National Football League when it comes to zone coverage. Derwin James, this is Gardner. Men now and in at this point had to try almost Pro Bowler and get him down. Almost Pro Bowler almost got us to the playoffs and got thrown obviously in the end, at the end of the game, want to get in a position for a field goal and tie this thing, maybe get an OT or maybe try to go down and Win it. So you got Travis Kelce matched up on Derwin James. They've seen a ton of each other year in and year out. Been in that division. Just a great job of maintaining his outside leverage from the beginning. You'll see it better from the other angle. Kelsey tries to give him a head fake touch the inside, doesn't fall forward, keeps his leverage, looks back, makes a play on the ball to end this game. So big time play by a big time player. And they are playing very, very good defense. The only, I guess weakness on their team will be the offensive line. Their defense is good enough to win a championship, I believe. And you talk about Vance Joseph, Jesse Mentor will probably be in head coaching conversations as well. And then it's going to be okay. How healthy can Herbert be down the stretch and how upright can that O line keep him? But the defenses is make are making plays big time week in and week out.
- [177:42]
A
Incredible coverage here by Darrell.
- [177:44]
D
Great coverage.
- [177:44]
A
Gardner mentioned we're already in field goal range kind of with Bucker. Now granted, is he going to make it or not make it this year has become a question. He has a very strong leg. 20 seconds left, down three. Have a chance to be on the field and throw the ball. Travis Kelsey, I'm going to do that. He did it earlier in the drive too. I think him and Kelsey had a great connection. Gardner, Minchu is not scared of anything. Feels like this not necessarily ever going to be a completion because Derwin James so damn good. But remember, Travis runs Travis Kelce Routes 43 sitting in there. They weren't going to let Travis get another rock.
- [178:12]
D
No, no. And this was man coverage. I believe they had a couple like whole defenders in there, but man to man coverage, outside leverage. And this is, this is perfect. Like this is how you draw it up. You do drills like this. Hey, keep your outside leverage. If he runs the corner route, you make him pay. And he did.
- [178:27]
A
All right, let's go to another good D with Darius J. Butler.
- [178:30]
D
This is the last one. Kamara, he has the best defense in the league right now and he is, I mean, probably a top five corner. Now we all talk about Stingley on the other side, who's, you know, one or two in that conversation. Bullock, he's been the best free safety this year. Petrie, we had him on maybe last week against the Chiefs when he had the big hits in the interception. Kamari Lasseter, second year out of Houston, I believe, hard hitter. He'll show up in the run game, he'll blitz, he'll tackle and he'll also cover had interceptions against the chief Chiefs last week. And it's another interception in high red zone post route. Once again maintaining his leverage and then making a great play on the football and a phenomenal celebration as well.
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A
All right. And y got o pretty good Spider Man. Spider Man. Yeah.
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D
It was some question marks about him a couple weeks ago I think before the Chiefs game. Had a toe injury that he had been kind of battling. And remember the comments that he made. I love, I love hearing Demico Ryan talk, talk about him and his mindset. But he was asked the question, hey, who would you send first off the bus from that defense? And he was like me, you know, I'm. I'm with all. I'm with all the bullshit. And he absolutely is down in the down out.
- [179:35]
A
I mean that's an incredible catch. If a wide receiver makes this catch, not being able to see the ball with hands touching it, I mean we would say that's an incredible catch.
- [179:42]
D
And the Casuals may not know who that receiver is. Michael Wilson. But since he's unbelievable, he's unreal. His numbers, his target. Since Marvin Harrison Jr. Has been out, he's kind of become a guy. But that's a great job. Reading your keys, keeping your leverage and then making a great play on the football. That was his fourth interception on the year.
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A
Great backflip too. Great black flip Anytime.
- [180:03]
D
What is sticky to.
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A
I think you're allowed to say that I'm not the, the the anytime you can do it full pads and be that clean with it. That means not only is it been done thousands of times in the past, but in the moment thinking get too excited. Okay. Perfect balance. I mean it's like shooting a three. You got to have the right amount of explosion in turn just casual in the moment. All the way into the Spider man me. I mean this is phenomenal celebration.
- [180:27]
D
Absolutely. You could probably see it better from the wide copy if you fast forward it to the end. But I also like the awareness of him because once again dealing with an injury but peeking back real quick because he spun it. Boom. Got it spun. Peek back, make sure it's not a cameraman cheerleader. Boom. Stick that thing. Great, great camera.
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A
I mean that's perfect timing there.
- [180:46]
D
10 out of 10. It's going to be some sick pictures somewhere online.
- [180:48]
A
Well, congrats to him. It seems like there's going to be more of that coming out of the Houston Texans defense. They are so good. We're talking about them maybe winning the super bowl. Cuz that Defense.
- [180:55]
D
Best unit ball.
- [180:57]
A
Oh, really best.
- [180:58]
D
In my opinion, just Devonte not in unit.
- [181:01]
A
Best unit in football with Devonte not in. If Devonte. If Devonte's in, are you taking Los Angeles Rams offense or.
- [181:08]
D
I still. I'll still go to Texas defense.
- [181:11]
C
They also might win the division.
- [181:12]
E
Still.
- [181:12]
C
There's a very big chance they have the tiebreaker with the Jags. The Jags are at Denver, and the Texans are hosting the Raiders. So maybe the Texans win. The Jags, Broncos will be a war, but they have the tiebreaker and the closing three for the Texans, relatively easy aside from at Indy the last week. But there's a chance they end up being the three seed, maybe even two seed.
- [181:36]
A
And if you get that, you get a home playoff game, obviously, and everything else that comes alongside of that. It may be even another home game.
- [181:42]
C
Yeah.
- [181:43]
A
Depending upon what happens below them. And if they're able to get that building going with that defense going.
- [181:48]
D
We've been there.
- [181:49]
A
Yes, we have. With CJ Going. I think we've seen that. It's like nobody really wants them, and that's what everybody has said. Luke Kikley said nobody really is signing up to take on the Houston Texans right now because to. To win games that involve points, you have to be able to score them. And he Houston Texans defense poises. Poses quite a problem when it comes to getting into Enzo. They are everywhere, all the time. And you talk about Lassiter as, like, the third guy that you showcased on everything. Db. Every other guy that's been on there is because they hit. Everybody hits. Everybody hits. All tough. Like, all of them are hitters. All of them want to punish you. And it's like, that's Tamiko Ryan's to a te. Like when Al Shaher Jair gets in that fight under the sideline and then it gets suspended. Demiko Ryan's head coach and defensive guy comes out and he's like, we gotta watch what's going on on that sideline, too. Like, our guys, like, you want to hit us, we're gonna hit you. Like, he was open with the fact, like, this is who we are. That's a scary team to have to play, especially in the playoffs, I think.
- [182:48]
I
AJ Yeah, I think it's contagious, too. Like when you have a physical team like that and they all.
- [182:52]
E
You.
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I
You talk about running to the ball. Like, great things happen when you run to the ball. Like, they just feel like they're playing with supreme confidence, whoever is in there. I don't know. Like, you have to uphold the standard I feel like that Dico and the rest of that team has set. And, yeah, like we said, it's. It may not be fun to watch your team play the Texans, but if you are a fan of defense and a fan of physicality, this defense is who you want to watch.
- [183:12]
A
And they're finishing every hit, too. Like, it's like, yeah, we're through the ground.
- [183:16]
I
They're finishing through the. They're trying to take you through the ground.
- [183:19]
A
Yeah. And, you know, yeah, when there's a quarterback, obviously, we'll be trying to catch ourselves, but see, also, we'll be there. Yeah, we. We will certainly be there every single time. Like, I don't think people fully understand. That's an entire mindset. Like, hey, this is who we are as a team, and nobody's allowed out of it, like, corners. Now. You are. We are. This is who we are. Like, this is what our defense is known for. When people turn on. I bet you, Dico, when people turn on tape and they watch our defense, all 11 guys have to showcase exactly who the we are. That is. That is what it is. And you talk about a standard that marks already having. It's like, next year, whenever somebody joins that defense or if they sign somebody, it's understood like, hey, this is what we are. Oh, yeah, that's a great thing to have. That is a great thing to have on the defensive side in 2025, 2026.
- [184:00]
B
You talk about them getting a potential home playoff game, too. Like, look. Look at how we've been talking about Josh Allen the last several weeks and how he's unstoppable. Rewind. A couple weeks ago when Buffalo went to Houston, like, and what, they. They sacked Josh Allen nine times. We're. We're seeing him laying on the turf, kicking his legs down, like, they. They beat the. Out of them.
- [184:22]
A
And not just them. Everybody. That's what they do.
- [184:24]
B
Right. But I'm saying, like, we're talking about the best player in the NFL who is unstoppable. And just a few weeks ago, we saw them make him look very pedestrian.
- [184:33]
D
All you can remember is those red jerseys.
- [184:35]
A
Yeah.
- [184:36]
D
Everywhere.
- [184:37]
A
And then Jacksonville Jaguars, they're getting really, really, really, really, really, really good. Really quickly. All of a sudden, the AFC south starting to kill the NFL's best.
- [184:46]
C
Yeah, they. They lose. They lose. This week. The Jags are in legit trouble as far as winning the division.
- [184:54]
A
Well, they. They'll still get in as a wild card.
- [184:57]
C
Yeah, the seven teams are basically locked in it. It's just the. The divisions the the divisions are basically all a toss up. You could argue maybe not the Broncos, but like the AFC East, AFC north and the AFC south are all toss up right now.
- [185:11]
A
And the Steelers can lose two straight games and then if they win the last game, they still win the division.
- [185:17]
C
Yeah, and that's the big thing with New England. Like if New England wins, then they have this weekend against Baltimore. That is massive for Pittsburgh and for New England obviously because they get in. But that also gives them a little bit more leeway to win the division this weekend.
- [185:31]
A
Oh, football's great but there's some people that are ass D Buck, let's get to the bad D, shall we?
- [185:37]
D
Speaking of people in teams and defense units that are as they got the defensive coordinator fire after this game. Steve Wilkes. Liam Cohen has done a great, great job with Trevor Lawrence. I know Dan said yesterday the Texans offense probably the most improved unit in football. This Jacksonville Jaguars has been hitting all cylinders. You'll see etn, he had three touchdowns. This is one of them right here. They're going to get to basically a four by one on the snap. So right now he's starting off on the left post snap. He's going to get to the route and just get the right and then it'll just be a swing route. And now AJ knows just how tough this is. On 56 you run it back. Just look at the traffic that 5, 6 has to run through. If you pause it here, he's a linebacker just to the left. If you're looking from the offensive side of the hash and watch what 56 has to get through to get through and try to cover ETN who's already a speed so he went underneath. And you always have to make a decision as a defender. Do I go over the top or do I go underneath? Do I try to go to that back door? And usually when you go to that back door you get outran. Especially with a speedster. It's great for that old line. He's 77. He just gets a hand on him then does the save it block. Just puts the ass on him. And then ETN takes care of the rest.
- [186:48]
A
Jets get rid of Quinn and Williams and we hear what the Dallas Cowboys think about him. Do we think that is potentially the devastation to the jets defensive side of the ball?
- [186:56]
D
I mean it was bad with him too. This is the team. I don't know, maybe one interception on the entire year, I think which is none, 00 like that. That's. That's hard to do. That's hard to do through five games, let alone 15 at this point. This is like, this is like all time bad. You didn't expect this with a defensive. I didn't expect this with a defensive head coach. Don't have a bunch of the pieces and just got the kicked out of them. We talked about Trevor Lawrence earlier in the week having a historic day. This offense has been good but they look obviously great on Sunday against this jets deep like right there. You got to get on the ground. Big play. You got to get on the ground.
- [187:32]
B
I think you got to pull the rip cord. We just saw what I mean I'm not saying that there's like a Mike Vrabel option out there for the jets but like as a defensive guy with how bad they've been and just like everything like I don't know, maybe, hey, maybe, maybe you oh own up. Say we got this one wrong. We need to go back to the drawing board and we need to. We need to make sure we get it right.
- [187:52]
A
And then what AG's going back to Detroit Potentially.
- [187:56]
C
Yeah, maybe just swap. Maybe Shepard gets hired by the jets if they don't do it this year. They. They're signing up for two years because they have four first round picks in the next two years. So if they let them pick the two first round picks this year or you know, who knows, trade up.
- [188:10]
D
Who's the gm.
- [188:10]
A
What do you want?
- [188:11]
B
Darren Mujee?
- [188:12]
D
Moji. I mean I'm not there. I'm not out there as far as pulling the cord just because of we. The things that we talked about were a. You were a seller. You. You sent all your best players away. You get all these picks, you know, make that looks like to us, hey, you position yourself, go get a quarterback build for the future so you give them the opportunity. Give him a couple years to try.
- [188:30]
A
To figure it out.
- [188:31]
D
All time right now.
- [188:32]
A
I agree. We like I like Aaron Glenn.
- [188:34]
B
Me too.
- [188:35]
C
I'm loving.
- [188:35]
A
I like Aaron Glenn. I'm an Aaron Glenn fan. I like his energy, I like his juice. I like what he did with Detroit. I got a chance to talk to him. I feel like he's a very real human being. I mean the Aaron Rodgers fly over there and then him kick him out of the room in three minutes or whatever. Hilarious move. Interesting move. I don't know if that happens in football a lot in the its entirety but trying to set a tone I think on what he's looking for. So for it to be this ass. I think we were all kind of surprised by it's the jets.
- [189:03]
D
It's been a show for. For a while now. It's been any offense as a defender and I'm not making excuse for that defense zero interceptions is crazy. But the. I think Brady Cook started that game on offense easy. They had you know, Tod Taylor and Justin Field. So they, they've, you know, it's been tough on offense. Can't believe let go Alan Lazar. He's out there maybe end up in Pittsburgh but you know mvs. It's been tough. It's been a tough year feeling.
- [189:30]
A
Listen to the Pittsburgh Steelers Avengers.
- [189:31]
C
Where's John Coon at?
- [189:34]
A
Take the headset off, John.
- [189:36]
C
Come on.
- [189:36]
A
I don't know if they got helmets in modern day helmets that can fit that thing, but maybe just wear the guardian cap.
- [189:43]
B
Nah, Jordy's in great shape. But Randall Cobb though, he might be a guy who's looking could call Jordy.
- [189:48]
A
Jordy's the one that needs to run my dog. Cuz isn't he out there with.
- [189:52]
C
Yeah.
- [189:52]
B
Cattle and whatnot. Ranching.
- [189:54]
D
Oh, he's probably in great shape.
- [189:56]
A
Great shape.
- [189:57]
C
Oh yeah.
- [189:57]
A
He's tackling them, jumping on him, jumping off them. Still softball national champ. What Isn't he some softball like champion?
- [190:07]
I
He's a freak athlete. I don't know where what his titles are in softball, but he can, he can do everything.
- [190:12]
A
Yeah, I think he's a softball national champion at this stage. He was at some rodeo. We saw him doing some. At some rodeo.
- [190:17]
C
Yep, he was.
- [190:18]
A
He was running the rodeo, I think with a belt.
- [190:21]
D
Oh no, we don't need a Jordy highlight table. I might be on here somewhere.
- [190:23]
A
Yeah, well, that's what happens. Milk check. Milkshake. I'll go.
- [190:27]
C
Gone.
- [190:28]
A
See ya. 6. Jordy Nelson.
- [190:31]
D
It's a monster.
- [190:31]
A
I do enjoy the conversations that happen in DB rooms about Jordy Nelson all around the league. That was cool. That was cool to kind of learn about, hear about. Just because of how funny it is that that is the actual truth of the situation. Hey, listen, he's country, okay? This guy's super nice. You have no idea what you're looking at when you're standing there. You. You view him. You think to yourself, we got. Wait, we got time here. We don't have time with this one.
- [190:56]
D
Well, no, when you, you get eyes on him, you.
- [191:00]
A
He's. That's a stallion.
- [191:01]
D
Yeah, he looks like a. A thoroughbred for sure.
- [191:04]
A
You get eyes.
- [191:05]
D
You get eyes on him across the field. Not. Not sleeping on 87.
- [191:09]
A
Hey, watch the film. Okay, Then we see him in real life. Those strides get understand what this thing is.
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D
Oh yeah. Weapon.
- [191:15]
A
Why doesn't he go to the Steelers?
- [191:17]
H
Why not?
- [191:18]
A
What's random Randall doing right now? Cop getting good question feeling mvs Jordy. Randall Lazard.
- [191:28]
B
Tom Crabtree. Maybe he comes back out.
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I
Driver.
- [191:32]
C
Yeah.
- [191:33]
H
Yep.
- [191:33]
C
And Bill's in the first round.
- [191:35]
A
Donald Driver would be awesome.
- [191:37]
B
That would be awesome.
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I
But he can still play.
- [191:39]
A
I he.
- [191:40]
B
He's a packer for life. I don't. I'm saying majority. We don't need to see those guys.
- [191:43]
C
Jordy play for the Raiders.
- [191:44]
A
The Steelers are the packers of the afc.
- [191:46]
B
I know, I know. But I, I think Donald driver's also like 55. I don't want him to get hurt out there. That's a little bit older.
- [191:52]
C
Look at Phil Rivers. 44 is the ceiling.
- [191:56]
A
No, it's the floor.
- [191:57]
C
That's what I meant.
- [191:58]
E
Who's the white. Who's the white wide receiver that used to catch all the Hail Marys?
- [192:02]
B
Jared Aberd.
- [192:02]
E
There it is. Get him.
- [192:04]
C
Jeff Janice. Jeff Janis.
- [192:05]
E
Janice. That's it.
- [192:06]
B
They are literally the same guy with different names.
- [192:09]
C
The 83 he got the Cardinals.
- [192:12]
E
That's right. Twice. Yeah, twice. Same game.
- [192:14]
B
Yeah. Happened right after that.
- [192:17]
E
Hell. Larry.
- [192:18]
B
Yeah. Rogers threw like a 60 yard touchdown to send it into overtime. His time expired. And then on like the first play of overtime, Larry Fitzgerald caught a slam and ran like 85 yards to get down like the five yard line. The packers lost like play later on.
- [192:30]
C
Pat P. That's.
- [192:32]
E
Oh yeah. That's quite two times in a row. Yeah.
- [192:33]
B
It was quite a deflating deal.
- [192:35]
A
How many he is the most Hail Marys. Right Aaron? That's the. That's like definitely.
- [192:38]
B
I would assume so.
- [192:39]
C
Yeah.
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A
The.
- [192:40]
C
The jets were one I think last year. That happened in prime time with Lazar.
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A
Five or six broke the record.
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C
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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D
I forget what number is in like free play touchdowns.
- [192:49]
A
Yeah, like that up which you're trying to take away from his game.
- [192:52]
D
I'm not.
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C
Shock of one.
- [192:54]
A
You and Bruce Arians when he gets the.
- [192:56]
D
The hard count free like those but the you know the pinky toe on the, on the side get off the field.
- [193:01]
C
I mean. Yeah. Hustle.
- [193:02]
E
What was Bruce's take? He's anti.
- [193:04]
D
Yeah, yeah.
- [193:05]
E
He was anti it as a player. So like some, some coaches teach it like if as a center. If you see them like jump across, snap it. And Bruce was never. It was always till the guard.
- [193:14]
A
He's talking about somebody running off the field though.
- [193:16]
D
Oh, got it, got it, got it.
- [193:18]
A
He's talking about this from the other night. There was 45 second advance replay, replay assist that said, actually there was 12 guys on the field that flagged, which Aaron was talking about. And then BA and D Butt the next morning.
- [193:29]
D
Well, BA first, still no flag.
- [193:31]
A
We knew D Butt was not about it even. Yeah, in real time, there's still no flag. Aaron's not happy. That fucker didn't get off the field is what he clearly says in the entirety. Advanced replay says, yep, he's actually right. There's 12 on the field because Troy and Joe thought maybe it was like a hold or something on MVS he didn't like. And then this and then they replay it. So, yeah, it was. We thought BA would be about it though, because it was an offensive gift and a quarterback has to be smart enough to see this. And also it's a deep shot, no risk it. No biscuit type thing. It's actually a biscuit potential with no risk it in it. And instead he was like, it's not the intent of the rule. He said, it's not the intent of the rule.
- [194:06]
C
Way on side. I mean, that's the other thing, too. Brady huge in doing this. That's why I was surprised. That was his philosophy, too.
- [194:14]
A
Yeah, what's that? We knew Deebo would hate it. We knew AJ Would hate it.
- [194:18]
C
Exactly. That was the first time I looked at Bruce and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about, Bruce? This is your style.
- [194:25]
A
This is the first time he's been here a long time. That's good.
- [194:27]
C
Exactly, exactly. And that was the first time I looked at him like, Bruce, hello.
- [194:32]
A
Hello. You're an offensive guy, Bruce. You benefited from this problem.
- [194:37]
C
Come on, man.
- [194:38]
A
We asked Ben Roethlisberger what his thoughts.
- [194:39]
C
Were, you know, and his thoughts on that photo.
- [194:42]
A
Let's go to Hammer, Don. Don, what do you think Big Ben's thoughts are on too many men being smarter than defense? And what do you think Big Ben was looking at with Dan Marino when he had that look? And dan had that look 7.
- [194:54]
J
Loved catching 12 men on the field and they just hucking, hooking it deep to, you know, one of any number of wide receivers. So he's. He's definitely for it. But he was also coached by B.A. so, you know, that's weird as well.
- [195:05]
E
I don't.
- [195:05]
J
I'm with you, Conor. I don't love what BA Was doing there. And I still think that Ben was just in awe of how Aaron is spinning it.
- [195:13]
A
There's a chance Damarino knew it was over literally. Maybe that's what he saw. Tamarino saw Aaron throw it and he thought to himself, the two Aaron is over. Well, that's it.
- [195:24]
C
Maybe Saltui yucking it up before the game with Jalen Ramsey.
- [195:28]
A
Oh, if Ben goes, oh, guy doesn't care about his team. And Dan goes, this is disgusting.
- [195:36]
B
I'm benching him after again, after a good.
- [195:39]
A
Yeah, sound like Stanford Steve, but Pittsburgh accent certainly similar to Baltimore 1. Whichever one Stanford Steve has. We appreciate your time. Why don't you start heading this way? Way to. Why don't you start heading this way? Debut final bad D. What?
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D
Yeah, we haven't seen the Packers a bad one, I don't think all year long. And this is a seed from B. Knicks talking about some quarterbacks playing their best ball at this point in the season. B. Knicks is definitely in that conversation. This is a big week too for the Broncos. They've been winning a lot of close games, but winning nonetheless. And a lot of people like, all right, Packers, Broncos. This will be a big test for both teams, both quarterbacks and. And he passed the test with flying colors. It's him with his college teammate, Troy Franklin. This is like a scissors route. So a corner from the number two receiver and then he'll end up running like a post and he'll sit right in this window. Kind of a cover two type drop. And he throws it. Dan kind of talked about throwing the ball across the middle. It's about kind of where you place the ball, the pace you put on the ball, and he puts this kind of back shoulder high away from the defenders. Great ball placement, great accuracy, step stepping up in the pocket. Big time throwing catch.
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A
That's just hitting a hole in the zone.
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H
Yep.
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A
I mean, that is exactly. That's a.
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D
Exactly.
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A
Called a whole shot, I believe. And that's how you beat zone. And was Bo always able to do this in the NFL? Do we know?
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D
Well, Sean Payton loved him. You know, when he came, when he came on, he talked. He spoke very, very glowingly about him. It was some questions for a lot of other people. Could Bo develop and be a big time quarterback? But making plays like this on this level against this defense, because this ain't, you know, this ain't a bunch of slappies out there. These are some good defenders. Obviously, Micah got hurt this game, but big time throw against a very good defense, you got to find a hole in the zone and make the throw.
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A
We liked Bo on the show. Right. He sounded like Kevin o'. Connell. Yeah, that was my takeaway. If I Remember, Right. Everything was right. He was super competitive, loved the quarterback position, everything like that, QB1. And that's why Sean Payton, as soon as he met him, was like, this is the guy.
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D
And I like quarterbacks that when the moments get bigger, like, they show up the best. And that's who he's been all year, whether he. It was a team you're supposed to blow out or a team you're supposed to lose to. Fourth quarter comes 10, is playing his best ball. So I love that from a quarterback, young or old, but he's, you know, kind of a young, old guy almost in the NFL the second year starting, but he's an older fella and he's playing his best ball.
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A
Shock. He talks about how old he was. Look out, Saints care. He's a Saints care right now.
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C
Look out for shock.
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D
Dano is right. Remember, he was on good D, threw that pick to Raul Douglas, and we were like, damn things do two picks. Had to pick. Pick two to Minka. And Dan, I think tweeted that day like, hey, I love his film. He's confident. He's this, he's that. And I, you know, I think he's ran off a couple wins.
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H
Well.
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A
And the Saints celebrated when they draft him in the third round as if he was going to be their starter. Remember that? And everybody was like, well, if you're drafting a starter in the third round, why don't you draft him in first round? What are you talking about? They're like, we like our pick that first. Is he still down there? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shuck was fantastic today. Aggressive, moved really well. Confidence. Ey. Saw the field clean. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, Dano's been on it. The Dan wagon will hop on some things that are good.
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H
Yep.
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A
Leave it at that. It's holiday season. Great work today, boys. Thank you, Debuck. Great week.
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C
Thank you, brother.
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D
You too.
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A
Aq. Great work today. You too, brother. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. Aq, anything for the team.
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E
Yeah. Big week of football. Head Thursday, head up to the Pacific Northwest playoff games Friday, NFL and playoff game set. Enjoy this time of year, everyone.
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A
Hell yeah, aq. Hell yeah.
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B
Well done.
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A
Thank you, aq. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, Team. Goodbye. The NBA is happening Christmas Day.
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D
Five games.
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B
Games one.
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A
Unforgettable lineup.
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D
That's what Christmas is all about.
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A
Buckets for breakfast, breakaways for dessert.
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D
It's the holiday tradition. Christmas is all day with star power.
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A
From across the globe.
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It's the stars.
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A
They are going to be out the best gift. You don't even have to unwrap it.
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D
We want to say merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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A
NBA Christmas Day begins at noon Eastern on ABC and ESPN.
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I
Hi there.
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B
Surprise.
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A
30 for 30 presents. Booyah. Can I get a witness from the congregation?
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I
You can't stop authenticity.
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A
Booyah. Stewart was exactly like you saw him on camera. Off camera. He dialed it up 10%. Can you imagine the impact of young black boys and girls looking at that.
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D
Going, I feel seen.
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A
He changed the culture. He changed sports stream. Booyah. Presented by Modelo right now on the ESPN app.