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It appears that he took his own life. Okay. Last night, early this morning. Yeah. So that's. Yeah. The student who took his own life was named Jake Hughes. He was a sophomore at Truman State University, one of Missouri's most prestigious colleges. Hughes was a psychology major who hailed from outside St. Louis. He was found around 2 in the morning in his room at the fraternity where he lived. He had hung himself. Hughes was found by one of his fraternity brothers named Brandon Grossheim. Grossheim was the fraternity's house manager, and they were friends. Afterwards, Grossheim talked with police investigators. He told them Hughes and his girlfriend had gotten into a fight that evening. You could tell he was crying. I gave him a hug. I asked him how he was going. He told me he wasn't okay. And I had said. I was like, I wasn't here for him. You need me, I'm here. You can talk to me. He was like, I've got some people, but I promise I'll call you. Except that night, Hughes didn't call him. When Grossheim realized this, he sprinted to Hughes's room where he found him hanging from a wardrobe. I lifted him up. I yelled out and told somebody to call 911 now. And then. I kept yelling for help. His roommate, his suite mate, came and helped me. This was an awful situation, unimaginable for most people. Except it wasn't unimaginable for the members of this Truman State University fraternity called Alpha Kappa Lambda. That's because they'd seen the suicide death of another fraternity brother only three weeks earlier. That student was named Alex Mullins, a rising junior. Like Hughes, he had also hung himself in his room at the fraternity, also from a wardrobe. The guy who discovered his body, also Brandon Grossheim. That's the person we just heard talking. It was a time of chaos, with parents, fraternity members and police struggling to figure out what was going on. This was the second suicide the cops were investigating in just three weeks. They were surprised to learn that the same fraternity member, Brandon Grossheim, had found both bodies. Here is audio of police questioning Grosseim about the deaths on the evening of Jake Hughes suicide at the fraternity house where it happened. Their conversation was captured on an officer's body cam. Did you find the last one? Yep. Were you the first one to find it? Yep. And it was the exact same knot? I don't know about the knot. I mean, did you take him down? You talking about Mullins or Jake? Mullins was the first one. Jake. I took down Mullins. I didn't. Okay. Mullins was there longer. Whenever I got through the window, I tried to pick him up, and his body was stiff. And that's why I just walked out. I didn't even look at the knot. Okay. Okay. It was a highly unusual situation. For two fraternity brothers. To die by suicide in just three weeks was already suspicious. News of the deaths spread around the campus and across town. People didn't know if this was just a coincidence or if foul play was involved. Could it have had something to do with fraternity hazing? When people learned that Brandon Grossheim had discovered both bodies, most felt sympathy for him, at least at first. In fact, even the police were sympathetic, considering he'd just lost two close friends in a very short time span. After all, discovering the dead body of a close friend would be traumatizing and could affect a person's sense of self and safety. But in some ways, grappling with difficult feelings was familiar territory for Brandon. In his personal life, he seemed to gravitate towards those who were struggling and saw himself as an ally for students who were suffering from depression and feeling overwhelmed by their college experience at Truman State. Even the girls he dated, he probed them about their personal issues and had late night conversations with them about depression. He believed in his special abilities to help people in distress so much that he'd come up with a nickname for himself. He called himself the Peacemaker. He called himself the Peacemaker. Why would you give yourself that title? What piece did you make with something? I don't know. That's an interesting piece. People didn't know what to think. There was clearly something strange going on. But little did everyone know, it was about to get even more bizarre. Because when it came to Brandon Grosseim and people he knew taking their own lives, this was only the beginning. My name is Ben Westoff, and I'm a journalist from St. Louis. I've been following this story since the beginning. I know people who went to Truman State, and none of them can make sense of these deaths. People are still suffering. And some of the suicide victims, parents have filed lawsuits. No one has any clarity. And so for this reason, I wanted to dig deeper to find out what really happened. The suicides took place nine years ago, but to this day, people still want to know why was this young man, Brandon Grossheim, only 19 at the time, so closely tied up in so many deaths? Was Brandon somehow to blame? The lawsuit says Grossheim was one of the last people to see each victim before their deaths and was reportedly seen wearing one of the victim's clothing. All the suicides were in the same manner. He needs to pay for what he's done. Or was he just incredibly unfortunate to be in the wrong place at the wrong time again and again and again? From Iheart Podcasts and Cool Fire Studios, this podcast tells the story of the most infamous suicide cluster in American history. This is the Peacemaker. Did you know Tide has been upgraded to provide an even better clean in cold water. Tide is specifically designed to fight any stain you throw at it, even in cold butter. 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I recently strolled through the oak lined quad there where a Christian fellowship group was getting ready to play a concert. But even though it was a beautiful day, the campus seemed quiet. That may have been because everyone was inside studying. Every time I bring up like, oh, I go to Truman State, it's like, oh, that's a like a challenging school. You must be really smart. So it also just puts another layer of like trying to have that academic success myself. Yeah, it's hard to balance too, because I would consider myself a pretty like, outgoing social person. And so it's like I kind of feed off being with other people. But then it's hard when you go to such a hard school because it's like, okay, well I have to like take all this time for school, which is like fine because obviously I'm in college and I know that that's what I'm supposed to do. But you have to make sure you have a balance with like, the things that make you happy, too. Yeah, but that's kind of hard. Those are current students Chloe Schwab and Jesse Bruce. Truman State is often called the Harvard of the Midwest, and indeed, the course load can be demanding. Many students make their studies priority number one, but not everyone. Many others find plenty of time for socializing. And though Truman is a dry campus, that doesn't stop much of the student body from enjoying their fair share of booze. In fact, many people I spoke with described rampant alcoholism. Here's a former student named Tristan Weiser. My freshman year at Truman week, I drank every single day. And like, that was the way to make friends. And then sororities and fraternities have these special parties that, like, you want to get into because that's the way to make good friends. Considering the academic stress and the culture of drinking, perhaps it's not surprising that many Truman State students consider themselves depressed. In fact, about half of the students who responded to a Missouri college health and behavior study from 2016, the year these suicides began, said they'd thought about suicide. Meanwhile, their rates of depression, panic attacks, and anxiety were higher than average. One student who seemed to have his head on straight was Brandon Grosseim. Before his life became engulfed by tragedy, Grosseim was a psychology major with a slight twang and a big vocabulary. He was raised near St. Louis in a faded river town called Alton, Illinois, once famous as the site of a Lincoln Douglas debate. In his big middle class Catholic family, he had four younger sisters and one older brother. He was involved with his church youth group, and his confirmation name was Saint Francisco, the patron saint of animals. In high school, he was into theater, working as a crew member and also performing, sometimes including as police officer number two in a play called rehearsal for murder. This play within a play concerns the death of an actress, which was originally believed to be suicide, but which turns out to be murder. I thought the theater program was great there. You know, a lot of the kids, you know, we all got along pretty well. We put on some pretty good productions and have a lot of fun. That's one of Brandon's high school theater colleagues who doesn't want his name used because he says Brandon kind of freaks him out due to his strange behavior dating back to high school. Not everyone feels this way about him, however. In fact, others described Brandon as friendly and outgoing. He'd cheer on the school's football team at games and greet his friends in the hallways with big backbreaking hugs. The local newspaper described how after some seniors toilet papered a bunch of trees in front of the high school, Brandon assisted the staff in cleaning it up. But his theater colleague described Brandon as having a messiah complex back then, someone who would give strange self help spiels to the other theater kids. It was just kind of a. A way of speaking about your mental struggles or physical struggles or whatever, whatever it may be, like willpower and like, like you're the master of your own fate. And, you know, at high school, it's kind of like, what the hell are you talking about? He was just very into like, like health in general. We were in the dressing room or Whatever for theater. And he would, he would be doing like push ups and like pull ups on things and like kind of encouraging everybody to like kind of get in there. I don't know if you know, if you know who like Wim Hof is. Wim Hof is a Dutch motivational speaker famous for taking ice baths receptors creating noradrenaline, 540% more dopamine, 250 to 300 more. It's all signs this will battle effectively your mental disorder called depression, bipolar or any other coming to you. He honestly reminded me so much of the Wim Hof guy. Just the spiel he had going on. Nothing nefarious, but like, you know, kind of the. Just the idea of mental health and you know, mind over matter. But as much as Brandon Grossheim was into health, he was also clearly fascinated by death. One time, Brandon and his mother arrived to visit his grandmother when they realized she had died from cancer. But he sent his mother away, according to a story in the New Yorker, and chose to confront the body himself. Have you ever seen a dead person? He asked the writer of the story. The bowel is often clear, he said. After high school, Brandon attended community college before transferring to Truman State. There, just like in high school, he brought a certain energy that was appealing to some people. This is his former roommate, Dalton McVeigh. Yeah. No, like Brandon, you struck me as like a very wanting to like, liven people's moods for like whatever reason. And sometimes it would go so far as to get on people's nerves. But he definitely presented himself as a goofball and like a little bit of a jester to try and like, liven people up. Despite this appearance, during his time at Truman State, Brandon would become increasingly depressed, according to his friends. But he didn't focus on his own sorrows. Instead, he wanted to talk with you about your problems. He offered himself up as a sort of amateur counselor, running toward other people's pain the way a hero might run into a burning building. And that's the way he thought of himself, as a hero, as someone who could do good. Brandon soon joined the Alpha Kappa Lambda fraternity. Now, if you're thinking of Animal house style keggers and sticky floors, well, you're not far off. Located a few minutes off campus, AKL had a huge house with white clapboard siding and a blue roof. You could find bongs laying around, guys strumming guitars. This branch of Alpha Kappa Lambda has some famous alums, like the junior US Senator from Missouri, Eric Schmidt. But around campus, AKL Was known for their parties, like the don ho party, which was Hawaiian themed. Another was called the borders party, for which the house was separated into countries, each one having a different drink. There was rum and coke for America, margaritas for Mexico, and no one can really remember what drink Canada had. In the back of the house was a cavernous spot called the party bar. It had a high triangle roof, and there wasn't much ambiance, but many nights, it pulsated with music like a nightclub. The spartan space was designed to be as indestructible and as easy to clean as possible. I mean, just pretty much a big room with cement floor and drains for the beer. So. Drains for the beer. I mean, there's drains in the grounds. You know, if you spill it, it's, hey, no big deal. We can just mop it into a drain. So, you know, it's perfect. Pretty much perfect place for a party. That's former Alpha Kappa lambda member Connor templeton, who now lives outside St. Louis. He absolutely loved his fraternity experience. Despite all the tragedy. It was the best decision I've ever made. I mean, my roommate's now is from akl. Everyone I hang out with every week's from akl. It's like, those are my best friends, and that'll be, you know, if I get married, that's my best man will be in AKL. My groomsmen will all be AKLs. At the time, though, in late 2016, Alpha Kappa Lambda was absolutely reeling from the first two suicides. And Brandon Grossheim, who discovered the bodies, Was taking the deaths especially hard, his friends say. But he was also saying things that sounded crazy to some people, like, to Tommy lona, who was friends with both suicide victims. I think that was his view on suicide, though, that, like, yeah, he just agreed with it, that if that's how you wanted to go, you should go on your own terms. And of course, with him saying that kind of thing, it did piss me off even more. It was like, why would you tell somebody that if what. You don't know what they're going through? What if they're going through actual suicidal thoughts? And you tell somebody that? In fact, after the members of the fraternity had time to process these deaths, some of them began levying accusations against Brandon. Some of these accusations were for things Brandon did that might be chalked up to the grieving process. Other accusations, however, were much more disturbing. Some of Brandon Grossheim's fraternity brothers found it strange when, after the death of the second suicide victim, Jake Hughes, Brandon started dating Jake's girlfriend. They also accused him of breaking into a safe Jake had in his room and stealing his drugs and his money. Some of them also wondered aloud, could Brandon have had something to do with Alex and Jake's deaths? This wasn't their only concern either. The brothers also feared that Brandon might try to kill himself just like his two friends had. He had begun behaving erratically and so the fraternity called a meeting. So some of the members wanted to expel him. The meeting got very heated. Here's AKL member Connor Templeton. I mean, it's literally just, you know, the angel and devil on your shoulders. I mean, did he do it? Did he not? Do we feel bad for this kid or do we get this kid out of here? Cause it's too much of a liability and it's absolutely impossible to know which answer is right. And I still wouldn't be able to tell you to this day which answer it'd be right. Ultimately, the fraternity did decide to kick Brandon out, leaving him demoralized. He took a bunch of LSD and reportedly went on a bizarre rant about death at the frat house. 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He was openly gay, which is probably not as uncommon as you might think at Truman State fraternities. Some friends remember Josh as a life of the party type. He has so much fun and he's hilarious and like sire of attention. He was really famous for like his twerking. And so I remember, you know, we carried a lot, right? And I remember him like we don't ask him to like wall twerk, right. And it was so much fun. Yeah, he was just like incredibly outgoing and exciting and really like upbeat, intense, like funny energy. That's Elena Bora, a former Truman State student who is one of Josh's best friends. But on the inside, Josh was also battling depression. In fact, he had a very dark past. According to a police report, he said he'd been raped as a boy and had been involved with prostitution. He didn't open up about this with everybody, but he developed a close relationship with Brandon Grosseim. He felt close to Brandon. He loved Brandon. He felt like Brandon was one of the only people who understood him. I think it's entirely possible that because Brandon had been through so much trauma, that he was someone that Josh could connect to better. And Truman's a small school, right? Like, there's nobody that I don't at least have one mutual friend with. I think it's really easy for people with the most significant trauma to find each other. One night, Josh even brought Brandon to a party at akl, Although the brothers wouldn't allow him to stay. But if Brandon was in a bad state by this point, Josh Thomas was even worse. On the evening of April 5, 2017, Josh attended a Panic at the Disco concert in St. Louis with some friends. After returning home sometime during the night, Josh Thomas hung himself at the Alpha Kappa Lambda house. This time, Brandon Grosseim didn't discover him. But something else strange happened. Found next to Josh's body was a torn piece of notebook paper which had Brandon's name written on it alongside two email addresses for him. Absolutely no one knew what to make of all of this. Three deaths at the same fraternity in less than eight months. In fact, the death of Josh Thomas is probably the moment all hell started breaking loose at Truman State. What could have possibly been going on here? With so little reliable information available, rumors began flying around. Here's Ethan Trower, who is Josh Thomas's ex boyfriend. After the first two, they thought it was just a coincidence. But then after the third one, they thought it was a pattern and that something was going on. So the rumors started flying around that something was going on at the fraternity. The biggest theory was that it was just hazing related, that their hazing was getting out of control. This theory would be later dismissed, but as the media attention began to swell, the parents of the victims became desperate for answers. So let's pause here. I realize this story contains a lot of information to unpack, and I thought it might be helpful to bring in our producer Ryan Krull to help provide some context. So. Hey, Ryan. Hey, Ben. Yeah, there is definitely a lot to unpack here. Okay, so just to lay it all out, kind of simply make sure everyone understands. So so far there have been three suicides? Yeah, that's right, there was. Alex Mullins was first, followed very shortly by JC. Both of those suicides occurred in August 2016, and they both happened in very similar fashion. Both at the akl, the Alpha Kappa Lambda house. Okay. And then the third death was. Now that was Josh Thomas, who also took his own life, also at the Alpha Kappa Lambda house. But that wasn't until April of 2017, about eight months later. Okay, so then let's talk about Brandon Grossheim. So he found the first two bodies. That's right. And it was a little bit different with the third, Josh Thomas. In that case, Grossheim had already moved out of the frat house. But whenever they found Thomas's body, he had a slip of paper with him that had email addresses for Brandon Grossheim written on it. Okay. And so at this point, Brandon had already been kicked out of the fraternity. Can you tell us more about why? Yeah, well, basically, many of the members were just kind of creeped out by Brandon's behavior. He started dating the girlfriend of the second victim, Jake Hughes, and he also started wearing Jake's clothes around campus. And people definitely, you know, took note of that. And some people also think that Brandon broke into a safe that belonged to Jake in his room and stole drugs and money. And then in September of 2016, which would have been like, one month after the first two deaths, roughly, the president of the fraternity contacted police, and they basically said, we're concerned about Grossheim. We think he's unstable, and he needs some kind of intervention. They thought he might kill himself next. All right, so now let's talk about what happened after that. After Josh Thomas death, everything did not exactly calm down. Not at all. In fact, the situation quickly got worse. One of the parents of one of the victims started investigating, and she quickly found some shocking information. The parent who began investigating was Melissa Bodorf Airy, the mother of Alex Mullins, who was the first of the suicides. She'd been grieving since the previous year and was growing increasingly perplexed by the situation at Truman State. On the advice of an investigator we had talked to at the time, they said, you should go get all of the police records and things, because this is odd. This is odd. This seems beyond the pale, because if you know anything about, you know, suicide clusters and contagion, they generally are not this small and specific. Like, you'll see a college have multiple, or you'll see a high school have. You won't see a fraternity, one place where they all lived and they all die in the exact same manner type of thing. And so she made a trip to Kirksville with her ex husband to speak with police about the three suicides, because at that point, sitting in front of the detective, they let us know they had reopened Alex's case. I don't know if they would have ever told us if we hadn't gone up to get the information. And that's when the police looked at us and said, we're looking at someone that's in common with all four deaths. And we kept saying. And I finally looked at my ex husband and said, is he saying 4? This was not a mistake. Somehow it had been kept out of the media and kept secret from the grieving parents that another Kirksville student had recently killed himself. His name was also Alex, Alex Vogt. And though he was not a Truman State student, he attended another nearby school. But here's where it gets really crazy. After Brandon was kicked out of the fraternity, he moved into an off campus apartment building. It was the same building where this new Alex, Alex Vogt lived. Brandon moved in directly across the hall from him, just a few feet away. And shortly after Brandon moved in, Alex Vogt killed himself. It was as if everywhere Brandon went, suicide followed him. Once again, Brandon was one of the last people to see this suicide victim alive. When the police came to investigate the death, Brandon let them into the building. That's when it kind of all started to take a different turn, if you will. Well, just the fact that at that point, to find out that Brandon had been either present to find the bodies or had been the last known person to be seen with them or showed up at the scene and asked about the bodies, like all these things started coming out because the police were telling us about them. And that's when, you know, I started putting some of the back pieces together. The Truman State suicide cluster would have widespread ramifications, not just for the families and friends of the victims, but for Alpha Kappa Lambda and Truman State at large. To this day, almost nobody has any answers. Some blame the fraternity for these deaths, and some blamed the university. Many, however, blame Brandon Grosseim. Here's a former Truman State student who knew Brandon named Tristan Weiser. There's a difference between telling somebody and comforting, like telling them that they can open up to you and tell you those things about that. And somebody asking for that information to be able to feed into, oh, well, this is how you can end it. If that's really how you feel, this is how you can end it. That's not how you comfort somebody. That's not how you help somebody work through those feelings. For him to have taken the advantage of people that didn't see it and push them to that point to where it was actually done. Like, it doesn't need to be ignored and just gone by. It deserves to be figured out and go through the court. And here's Javad Khazali, the plaintiff's attorney in the civil case against Brandon, the biggest issue I see is the official version of what happened just doesn't make sense. There's still so many questions out there and all the people who should have been looking for the answers stopped. Also, I want to be clear, as a 48 year old, I've never found a dead body. Many people, however, don't blame Brandon at all. He was never charged criminally and his defenders believe he's gotten a raw deal. They say that the trauma of watching so many of his close friends die has only been compounded by the media attention in the lawsuit. I think there was an element of, like, scapegoat ism to like, these allegations against Brandon. Like, no matter what, it's fun to find someone specific to blame, right? That's easier to digest. That's the smaller problem. It's nice to find a bad guy, but at the end of the day, like, the only person responsible is a society and a community that does not have ways to help people heal. Now, nine years after these suicides, the civil lawsuit against Brandon Grosseim is winding towards trial. A day of reckoning will finally be at hand. We will be there for it as we uncover the entire twisted backstory of the chaos and tragedy that engulfed Truman State University. During this time, we will focus on the man at the center of this story, Brandon Grosseim. 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