This episode with Stuart Camps is the kind of esoteric conversation I love, where there isn't a beginning, middle or end.

Stuart grew up in tribal New Guinea, and was committed to rock climbing in his younger years as a process of self understanding and exploration. He moved to California for 25 years to work with animals, where he was introduced to the concept of natural contemplation.

He shares his vast experiences with animals: from inspiring horse training stories demonstrating how to relate to animals differently, to fascinating observations of herd dynamics.

This episode offers a snapshot of Stuart's book, Lightning, thunder, cows as he shares deeply interesting spiritual concepts, masterfully told through a series of anecdotal tales from the wild.

I hope you feel less fear, and more free, after you listen to this episode. I definitely did!

Purchase Stuarts book Lightning, thunder, cows here.

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