The 'Robber Barons' Who Tried to Save America w/ Stormy Waters - Complete

Summary

The Pete Quiñones Show – "The 'Robber Barons' Who Tried to Save America"

With Stormy Waters (Aug 5, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this sweeping, multi-hour episode, Pete Quinones hosts pseudonymous historian "Stormy Waters" to reexamine the so-called "robber barons"—industrialists and financiers like J. P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, Henry Ford, and others—within the context of early-20th-century America. Rather than damning them, the episode controversially frames these men as misunderstood American aristocrats who, according to the guests, may have made a last-ditch effort to resist both international communism and what the speakers describe as a hostile takeover of American society by foreign and subversive influences. Central to the conversation is the "Business Plot" of the 1930s, the America First Committee, and a revisionist look at the motivations of America’s historic elite. The tone is polemical and unapologetically right-wing, with frequent digressions on modernity, social decay, and the duties of elites.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reconsidering the "Robber Barons"

• The Myth of the Villainous Elite: The episode opens with the premise that Americans have been wrongly taught to hate the industrialists of the past, misled by left-wing framing and conspiratorial popular history (03:38).
• "These great men saw what was happening in Germany... What these men witnessed was a miracle." – Stormy Waters [04:13]

Key Insight:
Waters argues that men like Morgan and Rockefeller saw 1930s fascist governments as "miraculous" recoveries from leftist chaos and sought to emulate aspects of them to save America from economic collapse and communist subversion.

2. The Business Plot and Fascist America

• Underground Activity: The so-called "business plot" of the 1930s is described, where American elites allegedly attempted to engineer a fascist coup in the United States (09:06+).
• Smedley Butler’s Role: Butler, a Marine general, is painted as a dupe or traitor who foiled the only real chance at a rightist "immune response" to leftist revolution (11:03, 177:10).

Notable Quote:

"The only reason you don't have a base fascist government in America is because of that terrible, terrible human being [Butler] and him betraying the men that put their faith in him." – Stormy Waters [11:03]

3. WASP Aristocracy: Purpose, Noblesse Oblige, and Decline

• Meaning & Duty: Waters posits that unlike today’s billionaires, the WASP elite believed extreme wealth entailed duties to their people and country—citing public works, charities, and cultural investments (46:26, 52:28, 121:06).
• Nobility as Service: Building of churches, libraries, museums, and sending their own sons to war exemplifies their commitment to national duty.

Notable Quote:

"Every single orphanage in New England was bankrolled in its entirety by either the church ... or one of these men... Pierpont Morgan gave the equivalent of $70 million a year just to the orphanages." – Stormy Waters [52:28]

4. Historical Revisionism of Banking, Federal Reserve, and Economics

• JP Morgan’s Essential Role: The story of Morgan personally bailing out the US in 1890 is retold in detail (26:23–37:31).
• Federal Reserve Origin: The Fed is presented not as an instrument of evil, but as a potentially "brilliant system" undermined by FDR and progressive policy (37:51).

Notable Quote:

"The Federal Reserve is actually a brilliant system if you keep the currency pegged to gold..." – Stormy Waters [37:51]

5. Erosion of the True Elite and Rise of ‘Hostile’ Forces

• Attack on WASP Order: Repeated throughout is the assertion that the New Deal and related reforms were communist in spirit and targeted the destruction of the WASP elite (44:40, 61:57).
• The ‘Other’ Elite: Frequent invocations of Jewish, Irish, and other non-WASP actors (Brandeis, Untermeyer, Baruch, Dickstein, Rothschild, Schiff) as driving anti-‘aristocratic’ change in law, banking, and politics (76:23+, 79:23+, ~86:36, 102:24).

Telling Exchange:

"I have to be honest. I can't just point and blame the Jews for all this. It was the Irish that were kind of like their men on the ground..." – Stormy Waters [102:12]

6. The America First Committee and Popular Sentiment

• Isolationism Noted: Much airtime is devoted to discussing how America was deeply isolationist before WWII and how figures like Lindbergh are misrepresented (245:11+).
• Mass Mobilization: The committee (and the America First movement) is described as the largest membership group in the country with "over a quarter million America First Committee members in just Chicago" (319:53).
• Kennedy’s Involvement: John F. Kennedy and his father are cited as strong supporters.

7. Modern Billionaires, Lost Nobility, and Trump

• Contrast with Today’s Elite: Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and current billionaires are criticized for lacking a sense of national stewardship—a recurring comparison (47:59, 165:53, 171:41).
• "Trump as Aristocrat": Donald Trump is framed as embodying the noble risk-taking of the old WASP order, by standing in opposition to the current regime (186:51, 191:27+).

Quote:

"If Donald Trump can do it ... I think Elon is just starting to get there. But every single one of those men... would do what Donald Trump did in a heartbeat." – Stormy Waters [195:03]

8. Spirit of Aristocracy: Duty, Community, and Self-improvement

• Call to Action: The episode repeatedly exhorts listeners to "be better," care for their communities, practice mentorship, and cultivate a modern sense of duty, even if not in positions of power (130:09+, 136:14, 137:34).

Quote:

"It's about those four letters. Duty." – Stormy Waters [136:14]

9. America First Narrative and Bloodlines

• Ethno-national Rhetoric: Discussion shifts to the nature of “nation” as race and the role of Midwestern and Southern Whites in fighting America’s wars (282:20+).
• Contrast with Israel: The inability of modern Israel to muster its people for war after 10/7 is cited to question their claims of belonging, using it as a metaphor (286:17+).

10. Critique of the Dissident Right and PsyOps

• Right-wing Infighting: Criticism that, as the left wanes, the right is turning inward, distracted by internecine fights, which Waters warns is a classic "psy-op" (351:22+).
• Historical Memory: Emphasizes need for discipline, unity, and collective memory akin to ancestral "epigenetic" consciousness (350:05+).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “What these men witnessed was a miracle.” – [04:13]
• “The only reason you don't have a base fascist government in America is because of that terrible, terrible human being [Smedley Butler] and him betraying the men that put their faith in him.” – [11:03]
• “Every American has the God-given right to evade taxes if he can get away with it. No citizen has a moral obligation to assist in maintaining his own government unless by choice.” – (attributing J.P. Morgan’s views) – [23:22]
• “You don't build 2,000 churches... Because you're better than everybody else. You build them because you want everybody else to be better.” – [136:14]
• “Anybody that talks about money doesn't fucking have any.” – [165:53]
• “If Donald Trump can do it, if he's willing to be like this, I think Elon is just starting to get there. But every single one of those men...would do what Donald Trump did in a heartbeat.” – [195:03]
• “All of this ends tomorrow... when the men with money realize that some things, in fact most things are more important than money. These men knew that already.” – [338:09]
• “The rules don't apply to you. The rules apply to other people.” – [204:34]
• “If you were in a trench, that type of attitude [black-pilling] would get everyone killed. If they didn't kill you themselves.” – [350:43]
• “90% of [psyops] is spent on sowing discord and creating infighting in a target group.” – [355:19]

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• [00:31] – Show begins
• [02:05] – Introduction to the business plot & fascist movement in America
• [09:06] – Business plot logistics and Smedley Butler’s betrayal
• [18:40] – Biography and myth of J.P. Morgan
• [26:23 – 37:31] – Morgan’s 1890 bailout of the U.S.
• [37:51] – Federal Reserve and monetary policy revisionism
• [46:26] – Rockefeller, Carnegie, and the lost public good
• [61:57] – Attacks on Wall Street, emergence of "hostile" congressional scrutiny (Pujo Committee, Baruch, Brandeis, Untermyer)
• [106:39] – Part 2: Correction on Morgan family legends and WASP patronage
• [121:06] – Aristocratic duty narratives, helping subordinates, eugenics as “sorting for character”
• [136:14] – The nature of nobility: lifting others up
• [141:01] – Overview of America First Committee, Liberty League, and strange-bedfellow alliances
• [154:40] – Smith’s speech, communism v. American order, and public anti-communism
• [171:41] – Why modern billionaires fall short of the old elite
• [186:51] – Legacy, Trump, and modern courage
• [215:23] – Part 3: America First Committee and Lindbergh
• [245:11+] – Lindbergh’s reputation, the Des Moines speech, and FDR
• [319:53] – America First Committee’s popular support and membership figures
• [331:09] – Bankers and war: Defending the record of the WASP elite
• [350:05] – Metaphysical/epigenetic argument for inherited character and duty
• [351:22 – end] – Infighting, right-wing "psyops," and the dangers of losing discipline

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Conclusion

This episode is a deep-dive into revisionist American history from a dissident right-wing perspective, exalting the old elite’s sense of duty while demonizing progressives, communists, and “Saturday people” (a slur for Jews and other out-groups per the show’s code). It draws heavily on neglected or controversial source material and unverifiable anecdotes, while encouraging modern dissidents to cultivate nobility, generosity, and esprit de corps on the old WASP model.

Listeners will find a detailed (and divisive) reframe of 20th-century American history that is not just nostalgic for a lost past but calls for a restoration of elite responsibility—as the only possible answer to growing crisis.

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Content Warning:

The episode contains themes and language associated with right-wing historical revisionism, including anti-Semitic tropes, that may be offensive or troubling to many listeners. Quotes and themes are summarized for informational purposes.

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For further listening suggested by the speakers:

• Lindbergh’s Des Moines, Iowa speech (Sept 11, 1941)
• “FDR and the Jews” by Breitman and Lichtman

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Transcript

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[Pete Quinones]

I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Quinones Show. Stormy Waters is back. How you doing, Stormy?

[Unidentified Historian]

I'm doing good. I'm doing good. How about yourself?

[Pete Quinones]

Doing good. Doing good. So this is probably a little different than some of the appearances you've been making lately. Yeah. How did you put it? You just put it right before we started, right before I hit record. Let's talk about WASP history and, and specifically, let's look for some heroes in the past that some people may have overlooked as heroes. You've gone down that rabbit hole, right?

[Unidentified Historian]

Yes, I have. As a member of this class that everyone seems to forget existed, I very much focus on, you know, kind of the better years of my people before we were, before we took our eye off the ball.

[Pete Quinones]

What's really interesting though is, is that, you know, one specific group you know, we're going to look at is. Yeah, I think most people who would be listening to this would definitely think that they were, they were villains and they tried to do something, they tried to do something awful. And you, you, you'll be happy to know that I, I, I gave, I gave my lovely bride an overview of this today, and she's like, oh, what could have been?

[Unidentified Historian]

Yes, what could have been. I bet you, like, I've talked to a couple guys in our scene about this, and nobody has any idea that this happened. So what I hope to do with up over, you know, probably, you know, this episode and maybe a couple others go through the fascist America that could have been and what was called in the press at the time, the, the business plot. And it would probably surprise a lot of people that are listening to this that not only were there, let's put this with, like, they've all heard of, like, of Charles Lindbergh and America first, but there was a lot more to it than that. And Charles Lindbergh didn't just up and get the idea of America First. America first was the second at bat, right? The, the plan B, so to speak,

[Pete Quinones]

of

[Unidentified Historian]

unfortunately, probably the most villainized People in American history outside of, well, in, you know, contemporary history, outside of Adolf Hitler.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Unidentified Historian]

Like you're supposed to hate, you know, Uncle Adolf and you're supposed to hate Mussolini. Yeah, that's correct. And you're supposed to hate guys like John Pierpont Morgan and David Rockefeller as villains, right? These are robber barons that were, we're forced to, like a lot of us come through at least some level of conspiratorial land to get to where we are.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Unidentified Historian]

Like it takes a while going down all these different rabbit holes and you get to your final one, the final one, you realize like, who's really at the bottom of all of this? And then, then you switch. Well, some people will stay in conspirator land. And this is like, I view these are like the, the people that view that certain group as omnipotent and all knowing and that resistance is futile. Like, those are the conspirators that got to the bottom of the rabbit hole and didn't get the urge that people like me got or people like you got. Because one of two things is going to happen. You're going to get to the bottom of that last rabbit hole and you're either going to get real political real fast or you're just going to stay down there and be useless. But the ones that decide to get real political real fast, they don't know it, but they take a lot of that with them, a lot of all of the other false rabbit holes that they were taught like or that they went down and all the villainous deeds of John D. Rockefeller and all the villainous deeds of John Pierpont Morgan. And it would surprise many of them that these great men saw what was happening in Germany. And there's really no other way to put it. What these men witnessed was a miracle. Like up until that point, these men, I mean, there's going to be a lot of civil war hate and stuff and you know, evil Yankee carpet bagging industrialist bastards. But their enemy is now their current, current enemy. So maybe we can be a little forgiving as we go forward because these guys very much built this country like as we see, like those, all of those, you know, huddled masses that the Statue of Liberty talks about, all these peasant farmers from all over Europe, like these people barely knew how to read and write, but they weren't stupid. And we joke about how all these people thought that, you know, the cities were paved with gold. Like they're so stupid. But they don't understand what America was up until World War I, World War II. What America did from 1860, arguably to 1910, was create more wealth per capita, right? So you can say whatever you want about the rich industrialists. They actually shared the wealth. Unlike our current elite, they built more wealth as a nation than any previous civilization in history. All right, Whether you can add ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks, ancient Chinese, ancient Indians, whatever, put them all together in a pot, right? And they won't even fill up half of the glass that these men created in under a hundred years. So when they saw the Great Depression and what it was doing to the country and they looked across the ocean at what Hitler did in four years, these men thought it was a miracle. And guys like closet leftists Anthony Sutton wrote books about, you know, how the Nazi government was just a creation of, you know, rich bankers and industrialists. Just a puppet, you know, just like the communists were. And that's not the case at all. Guys like Henry Ford, guys like Jack Morgan, guys like, oh, I forget the guy, the guy's name that started IBM doesn't matter. And guys like. Nelson Rockefeller, when they saw what Hitler was doing, it was a miracle to them. Like he did something impossible. And they saw what the Soviet Union was doing and they're like, this is not the thing.

[Stormy Waters]

So

[Unidentified Historian]

the business plot is the story of how these industrialists sent agents, personal representatives to every single one of the fascist governments for years, for a year and a half. The one that Jack Morgan sent was operating out of Morgan and Hodges, which was the, the Paris affiliate, right, his Paris subsidiary. And sending reports back to, to Jack

[Stormy Waters]

Morgan

[Unidentified Historian]

from, from Germany about how Hitler came to power, how he was able to do what he did. And when they thought they learned enough, they went to recreate it. They wanted here what they saw Hitler having there and if it wasn't. And the other thing that pisses me off, not only do we do we trash our own heroes because we've been trained to think that they were villains, but we laud our enemies. You know how many fucking stupid right wingers will hit me with Smedley Butler quotes? A fucking communist.

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[Unidentified Historian]

The only reason you don't have a base fascist government in America is because of that, That terrible, terrible human being and him betraying the men that put their faith in him. So, like, for instance, I'll read you a quote from the Morgan Library is very interesting just to give you an idea of what could have been. And then I'll get into who these men were. Right? So. There were three, you know, on the ground guys that were all heads of various industry at one point in time or another, right. That went overseas and fought in World War I and came back and now were the head of veterans organizations inside the US after World War I that kind of organized around the. What was called the Bonus army, right? And two of those guys, Mr. McGuire and Mr. Doer, Mr. Doyle, were heads of the Massachusetts and New York Veterans associations. And it was the veterans associations that these guys, as in like the guys higher up the food chain, saw as the mechanism at which a fascist government could come to power. They saw it in Germany and they saw it in Italy, and they saw how central the veterans were from the very beginning. So through emissaries like RS Clark, guys like Jack Morgan and his good friend Henry Ford. And they were very close friends. In fact, the largest or the most frequent contributor to Letters to the Editor and frequent penner of OP EDS in the Dearborn Independent was one Jack Morgan.

[Pete Quinones]

And that's JP Morgan. That's JP Morgan's son.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yep, yep. JP Morgan's son. And after his death, the chairman of. Of JP Morgan Chase and Company.

[Pete Quinones]

And for those who are unaware. Yeah. And for those who are unaware of the Dearborn Independent, can you tell them what that was?

[Unidentified Historian]

The Dearborn Independent was Henry Ford's newspaper. So not only was it in. We've always heard the stories that the newspaper was something that he printed as like a side project. You know, it was like a little thing a crazy old man did, and he had to stuff them in the glove compartment of every Ford car and truck to, you know, get it out there. That's not the case. The reason that they were able to get such a wide circulation is because it was subscription based. It was basically like podcasts and shit are today in substacks. It was like a vast majority of Dearborn Independent newspapers went out via subscription. And it was the most read newspaper outside of the New York Times in Wall street because you know, those people were the enemy. And I mean just finance in general is villainized. But anyways, you want to talk about Jewish power, the only place you were hearing about Jewish power was in the Dearborn Independent and Father Coughlin's radio show. That was it. And the largest contributor outside of Henry Ford himself to that operation was the head of JPMorgan Chase and Company, a guy that we often villainize. The second most frequent op ed contributor was one John D. Rockefeller. Interesting that. And his sons would continue the tradition. Another. Well, I'll get more into Anglo history later or WASP history later. But another guy that's frequently villainized is Alan Dulles and his brother John Foster Dulles. If I had to stack rank great Americans the Last hundred years, 150 years patent would be somewhere in the middle of that list. And guys like John Foster Dulles, who's probably one of the most brilliant statesmen the United States has ever produced, and his brother Alan Dulles, by the way, both of them were very high ups in the. Trying to think was it is Lutheran or Episcopal church. I'm still getting the hang of Protestantism and the many denominations that you know, make it up. But these men were not only fascist sympathizers, but they actively tried to create a fascist government and came within a cunt hairs distance away from actually pulling it off. And if it wasn't Smedley Butler, you know, I guess staying true to the brokenness that's inside of a person to be a communist and him running to FDR and snitching on all these men, you probably would have had one. And the two representatives, John, of the two veterans organizations, John Doyle and Mr. McGuire, they wanted Smedley for the position, right? So the way that they planned it. Never mind, I'm gonna, I'm gonna back up a little bit. But you could have had a fascist government and the people that you're taught to hate or just flat out think don't exist came inches away from achieving just that. And there's virtually no history right outside of knowing that JP Morgan is a bad man or John D. Rockefeller is a bad man. The history of America from the Civil War to World War I doesn't exist. It's not taught. So we became the richest civilization in the history of the world. Nobody fucking talks about it. How did that happen? Who did it? It's been virtually erased. And we'll start with J.P. morgan, Jack's father, and then I'll go into some other people that you were probably taught to hate. What do you think, Pete? We start with Pierpont.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, it's a. Is one of the most interesting men that ever lived, for damn sure.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yes, he was. So John Pierpont Morgan was the great grandson of Captain Jack Morgan. That's who Jack, his son, was named after, was probably one of the, I guess, most notable privateers after the Revolutionary War, saving countless, countless white souls from enslavement on the Barbary coast. And the killer of many, many English sailors. You know him today. You are familiar with this man, or at least his likeness. He is emblazoned on, well, the most popular rum bottle in the country. John Pierpont's Morgan. John Pierpont Morgan's granddad. Is that Captain Morgan? Yeah. Like literally a pirate? Well, a privateer. So John Morgan believed that he owed all of his success to America, and he firmly believed it. And this is something our elites don't get, right? So how do I put this? A lot of the things that we associate with nobility, the concept of noblesse oblige and duty, died in Europe about 200 years before they died in the United States. America was never supposed to have an aristocracy or like, never had one, you know, officially, but that's what these men viewed themselves as. And if you have unlimited money, all the money in the world, right? And you never have to work a day in your life and you can have anything you want, whenever you want it. On the surface, to regular people, that sounds like the best life ever, but it's not. It's hell. It's a very depressing life. It's a purposeless life. So the one thing that we know about men is that man needs purpose. He doesn't need sustenance. Like you can give him sustenance. You can give. This is why communism never works. You're basically in a. How does Thomas put it? You know, you're basically living in a prison slash retirement community, just waiting to die. That's what would have been these people's lives if they didn't search for meaning in other places. And the thing that indexed the most with their soul was the nobility and aristocracy of Europe. And the traditions of the British aristocracy continued in America far longer than they continued in England. These men lived their lives around duty and honor. I mean, one of the most famous quotes, I think, from JP Morgan, when asked if somebody could get a loan. Here, let me pull up the quote. It's really good. There we go. His quote about taxes is actually quite funny too. Every American has the God Given right to evade taxes if he can get away with it. No citizen has a moral obligation to assist in maintaining his own government unless by choice.

[Stormy Waters]

Huh?

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, he's pretty. Pretty interesting guy. I don't care how much money a man has or how much credit. He can have all of the silver in Christendom and he won't get a dollar from me.

[Stormy Waters]

I'm sorry?

[Unidentified Historian]

He can have all the collateral in Christendom and he won't get a dollar from me. The reporter goes, really? Not if he had all the collateral in the world. All the money in the world. And he goes, no, sir. The first thing is honor, and the second thing is character. And he believed it. Everybody he dealt with, right, was basically on a handshake deal. Like there were contracts and like for stock issuances and legal things, right, that had to be done. But so much of, I guess you can call it Pierpont's diplomacy was done entirely on reputation. So to him that was enough. And this is really the problem he had with a certain group of people that kept on trying to barge their way into American finance, particularly one group of them that were financed by a certain banking interest that tried desperately to get in and were relegated to stocks, right? So being a stockbroker was not glamorous at all, right? So being a stockbroker would be what we would have as an equivalent as like people that trade crypto, right? Like, that's where sketchy people go, right? That's like, you know, that's fly by night shit, right? This is why the term speculator is an insult, right? Like, oh, you know, these people don't care about anything. They're just speculators. That was basically how it was viewed, right? Banking was separate. Banking was legacy based, right? And the wasps desperately like, to the last, defended banking, right? So banking in America was something that you had, your family had to be in the country for a hundred years or more to even get an apprenticeship in. Like, you couldn't even be a courier. They were super, super strict about it.

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[Unidentified Historian]

they viewed it as. They viewed finance, high finance, as, you know, the aristocracy that was the barrier. You either became a captain of industry, right? Or you became a partner at one of these firms. And back in the day, it wasn't like it is now with corporations. These were all partnerships, right? So the only thing that operates similarly today is law firms, right? So making partner is like, you know, you have made it, right? It will. If you make partner at a shitty firm, then you haven't, right? But if you were to, like, you know, trying to think what's. What's a. I can't believe I'm blanking. There's a. You know, any one of the top 20 law firms in the country, if you make a partner at any one of those, you're set for life because now you get a share of all the money that that firm makes, right? Like, you basically get a stipend for life. And that's how it was in banking. So being made a partner was like being knighted in America. And this is why, almost to a man, the WASP aristocracy was in Drexel, Burner Lambert or Brown Brothers or Morgan and Company. A partner in any one of those banks could pick up the phone and get any senator online whenever he wanted to. You were somebody at that point. Unfortunately, it's not the same today. But I. I lost my train of. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. J.P. morgan's super Chad adventures. So not a lot of people will know this, but the United States. One of the reasons that the United States has the reputation it has around its currency, right? Everyone thinks that, oh, the dollar is the world reserve currency and is the number one currency in the world because of the US Military. And if you don't use it, we'll just come fuck you up. Like, that's true in the most extreme sense. But that's not why people want to use it, right? It's not like we're forcing everybody to get their money into dollars. Literally. You can. The one thing that you will notice about any impoverished country that you get into, they, like, if you give them a dollar like that is getting stuffed in their mattress, they view that dollar, you know, like it is made of gold, right? So, like the thing in Russia, the thing in China, like, people hoard physical American currency, like their gold bars, because it basically is. And the reason I say that is because the United States of America is the only country in the history of the world that has never called in its currency. And what that means is, I mean, like, England did this recently. Europe has done this. The EU has been alive for a whopping, you know, 30 years, has already had to do it twice. France is fucking notorious. For this shit, all right? Like, they will call in all of their notes and destroy them and issue you out new notes, right? It's basically a. You know, it's currency default. And the United States is the only nation in the history of the world to never have recalled its currency. There are even countries, you know, in the Middle Ages that had gold coins that would have to recall their currency. And you can dig a dollar out of the ground in your backyard from 1799 and walk into a grocery store and buy something with it. Not that you would want to, but you could, right? It's also why America has never actually defaulted on its debt. It's come close twice, and technically it's come close three times, but people don't know about the third time. It's also why they don't know how fucking Chad, JP fucking Morgan is. But it's never actually done it. So America is the world's reserve currency because we are the most dependable when it comes to money. And it's that dependability, knowing that it's always going to be there in 100 or 200, 300 years from now. Like that dollar you dug out of your backyard. That is why people all over the world scramble to get their hands on physical dollars. And you don't need to hold a gun to their head. Doesn't matter how many fucking missiles or aircraft carriers that you have, they're going to do it all themselves. And in 1890, America was on the verge of going bankrupt like it was happening if. If nothing was done and nothing could be done from inside the government, America was going to be bankrupt in. In less than six months. And what John Pierpont Morgan did was bail the entire country out himself. He put every single thing he owned, every share of stock, everything. He would have been homeless. And the guy had, like, fucking 12 homes. And the first yacht, like the first mega yacht, the Corsair would have been gone, too. He leveraged every single thing he had, and he still didn't have enough. He was 12% short,

[Pete Quinones]

right?

[Unidentified Historian]

Why was he doing it in the first place? Well, because he believed it was his duty to do so. As a member of the unofficial aristocracy of America, these men believed that they had a duty to the nation. And so how we got that other 12% is really interesting because there was a whole bunch of people that at this point in time, had made a fortune trading stocks. You know those people. And those people didn't want to chip in a dollar. So Pierpont held them hostage. He lured them all, all the all the Saturday people bankers onto his yacht, the Corsair, for lunch, and they're going to do a cruise around New York Harbor. But shortly after they pulled off, they didn't go anywhere near the harbor. They just went straight out into the ocean and about two hours later, now land very, very, very far away. Pierpont comes upstairs from a stateroom and says, all right, one of two things is going to happen. Option A is you gentlemen are going to voluntarily come up between the, you know, at the point, there's six of them. The six of you are going to come up with the other 12% to bail out the United States alongside my 90% or, sorry, like my 88%. And if you don't want to do that, all of my money is liquid right now, right? Having collateralized everything that I own, right? Basically borrowing against everything that he owned, which he reminded them, right, These margin loans were extended by the. By the brokerage firms that were sitting around the table from him at that very moment. So he was like, all right, guys, I've leveraged everything I own, and you guys have been nice enough to extend me, right, several multiples on that in credit. So if you don't help me bail out the United States government, I will take my 3x net worth, that's all liquid, right? And I will have the captain radio my man on the shore, who will in turn tell my man at the stock exchange to begin shorting your stocks. And I will have bankrupted every single one of you by the time you ever get into port to warn anybody about it. And yes, the country will go out of business, will go bankrupt, and so will all of you. But I'll have no one to pay these margin loans back to because you'll all be out of business. And then I'll made all that money shorting your stock all the way down to zero. So I'm going to get my money to bail out the government one way or the other. It's either whether you want to cooperate with me or you want to be put out of business by me. And then me taking that money from putting you out of business and using that to bail out the government and having to put up none of my own. And what do you know? All of a sudden, a bunch of immigrants got real patriotic real fucking quick. And that's why the US has never defaulted on its debt, thanks to the evil bad man, JPMorgan Chase, sorry, JP Morgan and his company, JP Morgan and

[Stormy Waters]

co.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, somebody's going to jump in and say he was One of the planners of the Federal Reserve, Things like that.

[Unidentified Historian]

The Federal Reserve is actually a brilliant system if you keep the currency pegged to gold. The Federal Reserve System was built to stop what arguably has caused every single financial crash we've had. The Federal Reserve wasn't supposed to be omnipotent. It was supposed to be feudal in nature. Now the Federal Reserve is a monolith. The New York Fed and all of the other little tiny Feds are a joke. It may as well just be the New York Fed. And one interest rate for the whole country. Well, that's not how it was laid out. A farmer in Iowa was never, ever supposed to be paying the same interest as a stockbroker in Wall Street. It became that way after fdr. So the Federal Reserve System that everyone and every stupid libertarian has been trained to hate worked an awful lot like how one Frederick List imagined such an institution working. Right. It's not supposed to be monolithic. It was supposed to be decentralized and offer decentralized interest rates. The only reason you've had the catastrophes we've had is because you're forcing a farmer in Iowa to pay the same cost of capital as a stockbroker in New York City. But there's a lot of things that Roosevelt destroyed and this fascist coup, which we'll get into next time, that was, you know, ruined by one communist general that everyone loves to lionize and his stupid faggot book. War is a racket. No, it's not a racket. This is. This is. It's communist logic again. All right? We adopt the left. The left's framing has been embedded so deeply into our paradigms that even though we think ourselves right wingers, we mouth their platitudes. War has nothing to do with money making. If money is made during war, okay, all right. But that's not what drives men to war. Has nothing to do with it. This is like that Rothschilds or omnipotent type fucking people. Same thing, all right? Politicians drag people to war, not bankers. And you'll also be surprised that the number one policy plank of this fascist takeover and also of America first, which was bankrolled in its entirety by Jack Morgan, by Henry Ford, by the dupont family, and by our good, good friends, the Rockefellers. The number one issue was keeping America on the gold standard. And why would a bunch of evil bankers, if they're so evil, be campaigning to keep us on the gold standard? Why would. If everything that you believed is true about J.P. morgan, about the Federal Reserve, and about all that you would think that would be the last thing that they would want, right? Because yeah, you know, Federal Reserve. And then we got Fiat's monies and they took the gold away. Who took the gold away? Who did it? FDR did. The class trader. Fdr. The entire New Deal these guys viewed as a slow roll communist takeover and purging of the power base of the WASP class. Let's look at what came out of the New Deal government in rapid succession. The first term was the SEC act and Glass Steagall. I'm not going to go into the intricacies of the banking business and what the banking business was at the time, but if you know that the WASP aristocracy was the American banking industry, then you, like them, saw this as a direct attack against their class. All of that, that whole war is a racket and that whole money trust was actually in typical fashion, created in its entirety by one Randolph Hearst. And who was that lovely gentleman that paid off all of Winston Churchill's debts? Bernard Baruch. Who was Bernard Baruch? A representative of Rothschild and Company. So the guys that put the New Dealers into power roughly at the exact same time as they were pulling off a communist revolution in Russia. The very first thing that these men did, once they got, if you can call them that, once they got into power, was attack the WASP aristocracy. In fact, the biggest critics of FDR were the Roosevelt family. Like the level of class traitor and family traitor that FDR is, is barely understood, right? And like who are these, these men?

[Stormy Waters]

Right.

[Unidentified Historian]

You and I got into a Twitter argument recently with a, I guess a pastor, I guess he is a preacher of the dispensationalist kind. And you threw an insult at him that I didn't understand. But it seemed that it really pissed him off. About the high church and low church. Are we talking about like pop up churches like these, you know, kind of like they look like Walmart super centers,

[Pete Quinones]

almost the empty space next to the Circle K. Yeah, that kind of thing, yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

All right, so not those churches, the churches that are actually built of like granite, you know, and bricks. The permanent churches, the ones that look like churches and cathedrals. Three quarters of those churches across the country were built by John D. Rockefeller because he felt it was his duty. All of those. Literally every public library in the fucking country was built by Andrew Carnegie. The reason that, The reason that life sucks the way it does today in this, in the particular way that it does is because these men have been erased.

[Stormy Waters]

Right?

[Unidentified Historian]

We know only their bad. They're demonized. Just like Uncle A is demonized.

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[Unidentified Historian]

And their stories have been erased. So these men had nothing but history to turn to, right? There was no existing aristocracy that taught these men how to be noble. I mean, what was in England at the, you know, the 1800s was a joke. Joke. Especially the latter half. The 1800s is a joke. So these men turned to history books, right? And they modeled themselves and their families off of the nobility. You know, that made the nobility famous. And the reason why our elites today, Right, why are Elon Musk's. Why are Jeff Bezos's. Well, forget the fucking Jewish billionaires. I'm not talking about them. The reason they don't act like these men is because they don't know these men existed outside of just, you know, the shibboleths that you're allowed.

[Pete Quinones]

All right?

[Unidentified Historian]

Elon Musk is never going to be like J.P. morgan because if you were to tell him that he's being like J.P. morgan, he'd probably be. He'd probably think you were insulting him. Right? Like everything Elon Musk does, cool, he's doing great stuff, but he's also doing business. Oh, he's sending him, you know, people to space. Yeah. But he's also doing that because he wants people himself to go into space. John D. Rockefeller didn't build 2,000 churches, real churches, for any other reason than he felt that it was his duty. Andrew Carnegie didn't build every fucking public library in this country because he thought Americans should read good. Because he thought it was his duty that that wealth came with a debt that he owed it to someone. The reason that Grand Central Station is probably one of the years and years and years and years went into the designing of the acoustics of Grand Central Station. And there are places in Grand Central Station where you can stand in a corner. Grandson Pete, you've been to Grand Central Station is pretty big, right?

[Pete Quinones]

Many times. It's. It's enormous. And yeah, I've done what you're talking about.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, yeah, you can go into one. Pete can go into one side

[Pete Quinones]

of

[Unidentified Historian]

Grand Central Station and I can go into the other side and I can whisper. I can stand in a corner and I can whisper. And if Pete is also standing in the corner, even though he's on the other side of the floor place. He can hear every word I'm saying. Like, it's like I'm standing right next to him. Even though there's hundreds of thousands of people marching through that place at the same time, making a ton of noise. Right. Just the acoustic properties makes that building one of the most impressive buildings made in the last 200 years. And not to mention, Pete, for those of the listeners that haven't been to Grand Central Station, is Grand Central Station beautiful?

[Pete Quinones]

It's unbelievable. It's one of those things that stupid. Okay, let's say one of those things that uncultured people will be like, oh, why do you even build something like this? Oh, there's a reason you build something like that. It's the same reason that you build these gigantic churches. You see these churches in Europe that are stretched to the sky, and they take people's breath away. Because some people love God and want to. And want to glorify him, and others hate you.

[Unidentified Historian]

That's exactly.

[Pete Quinones]

And that's the difference. That's the difference between architecture today and architecture in the past.

[Unidentified Historian]

The people that built Grand Central Station not only had their train car, their own train cars, but they had their own station outside of christening the building. They never walked inside of it again. They wanted it that way. They wanted it to be beautiful because they thought Americans, while commuting all over the country, deserved to be in a place that was beautiful. And Elon Musk and Marc Andreessen, as much good as these men are doing, Peter Thiel is doing, I don't see them doing that. I don't see anybody, any of our mega billionaires doing that, because none of our mega billionaires if think it's their duty.

[Stormy Waters]

Cool.

[Unidentified Historian]

You get to go to space because I want to go to space.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Unidentified Historian]

So you get to, you know, hitch a ride on their already selfish pursuits. They're cool pursuits, don't get me wrong. But these men didn't operate that way. Every single orphanage in New England was bankrolled in its entirety by either the church, which did the Catholic ones, but all of the Protestant ones were bankrolled by one of these men through whatever that local church was. Pierpont Morgan gave the equivalent of $70 million a year just to the orphanages. The reason that we have beautiful concert halls is because these men built them, only maybe going inside once a year. The reason that we have beautiful art museums was because these men built them. The reason we have beautiful museums, period, like the Metropolitan Museum is beautiful. It's one of the most beautiful buildings in New York City. And these guys built it for free out of their pocket for you to enjoy because they felt it was their duty. And how did a bunch of bankers get involved in a veterans movement after World War I? Well, because it was their duty. Every. I don't know how to describe the level of shame that a family would have

[Pete Quinones]

if

[Unidentified Historian]

all of their sons of age did not go fight in whatever fight that America was in. And I'm not talking about, like what George W. Bush did going out in the Air National Guard, right? Like, one third of the class of Harvard and Yale and Princeton got wiped the fuck out. None of those men, none of those young men would have had to fight if they didn't want to. Every single one of them could have called their senator that their dad put into office and gotten them a commission like FDR did. FDR was a figure just like George W. Bush doing the Air National Guard routine, right? America's air force in World War I was the aviation club of Yale, Harvard and Princeton. As in like aviation was in its earliest, earliest days and was basically, I don't know, like, not like a fad, but it was the cool and exciting thing to do, right? If you were a young man this the second in command at JP Morgan and Company. I'm trying to remember his name. But his son became a paraplegic because he was in the aviation club and they were doing an air show. And the rear planes at that time usually had two motors, one in the front, one in the back, and the motor in the back came loose and struck this young man in the head. And he was paralyzed from the waist down. He still went on to be a fucking chad, right? But if you were a young man of privilege, you were into racing cars or flying planes, and the air force that America had in World War I were these men.

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[Unidentified Historian]

Leaving school, right? They took, they, you know, took a year off for two years off, however many years they needed off like they were in university, right, and temporarily dropped out and donated their planes to the American government and their bodies. And I think something like 20% came home maybe. I don't see anybody, any. Any senator son going to fight to. I don't see any of Bill Gates's kids. He's got a bunch. He's got five. I don't see any of these people that think that they're aristocrats. They think they are America's aristocracy, right, because of money. I don't see any of them sending their kids to fight in any of America's wars. It's kind of a joke that we all say, like, how come Dick Cheney's kids, how come none of these warmongers are sending their sons? And the reason that America is in as many wars as it is in is because precisely that this class of people were disenfranchised. They were the casualty of the New Deal government. The New Deal government was basically an attempt by Jews and by very willing participants and co conspirators in the English financial industry, Right. They were specifically targeted at. Bernard Baruch and Randall Hearst concocted one of like the first really good psyops called the Money Trust scandal. And it wasn't a scandal at all. It was entirely a media creation. And these great men were dragged in front of Congress and harangued again and again and again by two Jewish congressmen who both turned out later to be members of the Communist Party. And the person bankrolling them and the person providing the air cover in the press, one Bernard Baruch, the man who's largely responsible not only for Winston Churchill, what happened in Germany in the Second World War, right. But the, the first attack on the Anglo American aristocracy, all because we wouldn't let them in the banking industry, Right. Like John. John Morgan's number one rival in the

[Stormy Waters]

world

[Unidentified Historian]

was Jacob Rothschild. He sent. Rothschild sent four separate different proxies. One of them, John Belmond and Pierpont, sent them back penniless each and every time. And it wasn't until they saw their success with the Communist movement or the Bolsheviks did they really start getting politically aggressive. And everybody remembers. Well, some of you may remember, not remember, some of you may have come across it in history. Pete, maybe you've talked about this, but the anarchist bombings and the Communist bombings in America at the turn of the century.

[Pete Quinones]

Are you talking about the Haymarket affair and things like that?

[Unidentified Historian]

Yep. One of the biggest bombs by a communist of Pale Settlement descent. Actually, all of the bombs in New York were all set off on Wall street and all, funny enough, happened to be in front of one bank,

[Stormy Waters]

Morgan and Company.

[Unidentified Historian]

So all of the communists, you know, that were going to bring down the evil capitalists all just wanted to bring down one specific capitalist. So much so that after the bombs didn't work. This is when. This is during the lead up to the coup attempt. All right, this is, I think, 29, 28. But a communist armed with two pistols shot the gate guard at Jack Morgan's

[Stormy Waters]

home

[Pete Quinones]

and

[Unidentified Historian]

shot the butler that answered the door and rounded up Jack's wife and two daughters. The sons. His sons were away at school and brought them into a back room. He's. By the. By this time, Jack Morgan figured out what was happening. He was in the study and ran up to the back bedroom where this man was hiding with his two children and his wife. And he said that he just wanted, you know, to talk to him to get. Basically to get America to stop being mean to the Soviet Union.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, this is not. This is. This is 1920. So, yeah, this is all happening in 1920. You said turn of the century, and it had. Haymarket was. Was 30 years before that. So we're around 1920 now. Just for. Just.

[Unidentified Historian]

Everyone knows the JP the. You can go to 21 Wall street and see the JP Morgan Building, and they refuse to fix the building from the bomb. So there is, like, you can literally see chunks taken out of the building from basically paving stones that were broken apart and turned into projectiles. It killed five people at J.P. morgan. Yeah, this was in the 20s. Let me check. I think it was 28th Wall street bombing. Yep, 1920. And that was a good guess, Pete. That was a good guess. But, yeah, this gentleman said that he just wanted to talk and that Mr. Morgan was able to make the American government do whatever he wanted. So he was gonna basically do diplomacy by hostage. And Jack rushed him, beat the man into a coma while taking two revolver shots in. One into the stomach and one into the inside of his thigh. Almost died. But the good thing about being rich is you have a doctor that usually either lives in your property or close by.

[Pete Quinones]

And this happened in 1915, July 3rd. I'm looking that up right now.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yes. And the gentleman that did it, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, was a crypto.

[Pete Quinones]

His name was Eric Munter.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah. Well, he was under three different names.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

Teaching at Harvard as a professor for a while.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. Graduated University of Chicago, University of Kansas. Began teaching as an instructor at Harvard University, where he was a doctoral student.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pete Quinones]

Now it was. He was a quote unquote German saboteur who went under the name Frank Holt.

[Unidentified Historian]

Hello my fellow boys. You know, he was. Jack was a big dude, right? He was. He was six two. Actually both Morgan's were six three and six two. Right. So they were not small dudes, but yeah. So only. Which is funny enough because you had. What's his name? How am I gonna. I can't believe I'm blanking. He was the guy that funded a majority of the communist rebel the Bolshevik revolution. How am I blanking on his name?

[Pete Quinones]

Jacob Schiff.

[Unidentified Historian]

Jacob Schiff. There you go. Schiff and company. Jacob Schiff lived right next door.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, it's actually Schiff. Just like the shift that we. The perma bear shift that we have to deal with today.

[Unidentified Historian]

I wonder if they're related.

[Pete Quinones]

I'll look that up real quick. Keep going.

[Unidentified Historian]

That would be very, very interesting to know. And for those of you who don't know what we are talking about, the communist revolution was funded in its entirety by two people. Jakob Rothschild and Mr. Jacob Schiff. And I believe he was actually you that educated me on this. But a majority of the Bolsheviks were actually from like Brooklyn.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, when, when Trotsky left New York, he got on a boat and I think he had 30. They had 30 men with him. Someone fact checked me on that. I'm sure somebody will. They always do. And they were. They all made it through to Russia. They. And they were all. Yes. Of a certain tribe.

[Unidentified Historian]

That's really funny. And Trotsky got. Correct if I'm wrong. But Trotsky got stopped in Canada by a Canadian police.

[Pete Quinones]

Yep. And because of, you know, who controlled the crown at the time, he was released and let go.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yep. With a hundred thousand. He was. He was apprehended with a hundred thousand dollars in cash.

[Pete Quinones]

Yep. I think he had diamonds too.

[Unidentified Historian]

Oh, what is that, 1910? So what is that, 100,000?

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, it's rather interesting when you start really getting into it.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah. So basically he had the equivalent of three and a half million dollars on his person. And the Bolsheviks didn't come to power through revolutionary prowess. They're actually incredibly disorganized bunch of fucking retards. But with that $100,000, they bought every single newspaper in Russia or in Moscow. And that's really where any communist clout came from. And so when.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh by the way, just, just to clear this up, Peter Schiff is not related to Jacob Schiff. Jacob. Jacob. Jacob Schiff's dad. Peter Schiff's dad. Erwin Schiff. Erwin Schiff, who was a tax protester who died in prison in 2015. His parents emigrated here from Poland around 1930. So. Okay.

[Unidentified Historian]

Oh, thanks. I'm so glad they joined us. So I'm so glad they came to. Came to America. That's funny. So in Trotsky's memoirs, he talks about his exile from Russia the first time. Right. So Lenin and Trotsky were both rounded up by the osetcha. Is that how I'm saying? Am I saying correctly?

[Pete Quinones]

I think that's how it's pronounced. I'm terrible at. I think anyone who's listened to my readings know I'm terrible at pronouncing foreign words.

[Unidentified Historian]

Same, same. So they got rounded up and thrown out of Russia once, and then they were basically air dropped in a second time, which is the time that Pete and I are talking about. But there was a space of about eight years in between those two. And where these guys, they chose to hang out in Germany briefly, got booted out of Germany, and then they went to Switzerland for a little bit, got booted out of Switzerland, and after that they kind of go dark for like five years. And in Trotsky's memoirs, I think he's also in Lenin's too. But Lenin spent those five years in a villa in the south of France.

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[Unidentified Historian]

You know, villa that was. Please tell everyone it was Lord Jakob Rothschild's. And Trotsky, in his memoirs, talks about his time in Newport, Rhode island, staying at what he called the magician's house. And the magician would take him around him and his daughters for automobile rides all over this. All over, you know, Providence, and then also to the magician's house in Long Island. And the magician would go, you know, into the city. And Trotsky says he's like the magician controlled all the wheels of finance and capital. And, you know, with his. With a move of his hand, all the wheels of industry move one way. With another wheel of his hand or another wave his hand, all the wheels of capital would move the other way, you know, and basically described this man as like a magician slash chauffeur that would drive him and his daughters around places that man was Jacob Schiff. So the reason nobody could find these communist scumbags is because arguably the, you know, three of the top five richest men on the planet that were not royalty of some site of some, you know, respects were hiding them to use later as a weapon. And just like the. Just like the New Dealers were used as a weapon against a similar entrenched aristocracy that they wanted removed. And Roosevelt was really a compromise, right. Like I said, including his own family. Nobody suspected what FDR would become, what he would do. Like the. The Roosevelt family. They weren't in banking that much. But if you go back and look at the newspapers of the time. Hold on, cat. What do you want? Showed him who's boss.

[Pete Quinones]

Your cat makes a lot of appearances on. On podcasts.

[Unidentified Historian]

I completely forgot where we were.

[Pete Quinones]

Trotsky. Three. Three men. Trotsky was put. They were basically put on a shelf to be used later.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, as weapons. Just like the Progressives were used as weapons. Or not the Progressives, the New Dealers were used as weapons against an entrenched aristocracy. If you look at all the legislation that came out of the New Deals, the New Dealer's first turns, it is an attack. Like there's. It's very hard to see it any other way. And if you look at who was doing it, all right, because he needed help in. In Congress, it was the same Saturday folks that were dragging Jack and his dad before his dad passed in front of Congress for hearing after hearing about the fake money trust scandal. It was Randolph Hearst and actually here, let me.

[Stormy Waters]

Let me find out the commission.

[Unidentified Historian]

The. I'll get it to you after the show what the congressman's name was. It was two of them that were on the committee. Oh, and yes, I remember it was a young Louis Brandeis. Lewis and Ice, Huh.

[Pete Quinones]

That's. Huh. Wonder what church he went to.

[Unidentified Historian]

Something of Satan, I think Louis Brandeis would communicate with fdr. And the only place that I've really found this mentioned is both in the Dearborn Independent and in the Morgan Library and in some of the. Some of the. Let's call it the. The memoirs or biographies of the John Foster Dulles. And I forget what the other one. Anyways, this was kind of like an open secret that Louis Brandeis was giving basically marching orders through messenger, his daughter who. All right, let me see. Let me pull it up.

[Stormy Waters]

Wow.

[Unidentified Historian]

How is, like, how is their daughter like nowhere in here. Susan and Susan or Elizabeth, I believe it was Susan. Can you see who they're married to?

[Pete Quinones]

I will check right now.

[Unidentified Historian]

One of them is Going to be married to a very important New Dealer.

[Pete Quinones]

Susan Brandeis Gilbert. Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. Susan Brandeis. Jacob Gilbert. Elizabeth Brandeis.

[Unidentified Historian]

Joseph Gilbert.

[Pete Quinones]

Jacob. Jacob H. Gilbert,

[Unidentified Historian]

American lawyer. One who served six terms at this as a U.S. senator or, sorry, a U.S. house of Representatives member. Jacob H. Gilbert. Yeah. This guy served six terms in Congress. And I said he was a big deal in the New Dealers and William Brandeis. We scroll back over here. In 1890, Brandeis began to question his views on American industrialism.

[Stormy Waters]

Right.

[Unidentified Historian]

He became aware of the growing number of giant companies which were capable of dominating whole industries. And he began to lose faith in the cap. The whole American capitalist economic system and its ability to regulate. And it's. Sorry. And its need to be regulated for the public's welfare. As a result, he denounced cutthroat competition and worried about monopolies. He also became concerned about the plight of workers and was very sympathetic to the labor movement. Oh, really? Crusader for justice. Martin. Oh, I have to look at that later.

[Stormy Waters]

Right.

[Unidentified Historian]

His earlier battles had convinced him that concentrated economic power could have. Have a negative effect on a free society.

[Tyler Redick]

Wow.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yep. So Brandeis was then in the Supreme Court. They had four or five. The Money Trust. They had four or five guys in prominent positions in the Congress. And I can't remember who the senators were, but if you got the President, you got the Supreme Court and you got the Senate. Brandeis was often referred to by the people as the people's lawyer. That's funny, because all of the references for that are for. From press publications owned by one Mr. Hearst.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, okay. It was called the Pujo Committee.

[Unidentified Historian]

P U J O. Pujo Committee. Yep.

[Pete Quinones]

Named after Arsene Pauline. Peugeot for Louisiana. Oh. Why does this guy's name always come up? Samuel Untermyer. Yeah. You know what else Samuel Untermyer's responsible for?

[Unidentified Historian]

What?

[Pete Quinones]

The Scofield Bible.

[Unidentified Historian]

No. Get the fuck out of here.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. Yes. Then there was Hubert D. Stevens of Mississippi. Yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

Oh, if you just go. If you just Google Samuel Untermyer, pull up his Wikipedia page. There is a whole bunch of political caricatures of Mr. J.P. morgan.

[Pete Quinones]

Yep.

[Unidentified Historian]

Wow. He went after every single. Wow.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, and in case anybody was wondering what the early life is on Mr. Untermyer, it's what you think.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yep. And what he never talks about is who his law firm's clients were. He was. Later, after World War I, he became a top advisor. Why did. Why is a lawyer an advisor to the Treasury Department? He's responsible for the income tax that's very interesting.

[Pete Quinones]

Corporate lawyer, advocate of stock market regulation, government ownership of railroads, various legal legal reforms and he was an exponent of the progressive era. He became an advocate of stock market regulations, government ownership of railroads and various legal reforms. He was also the first attorney to own a million dollars to earn a million dollars on a single case.

[Unidentified Historian]

I bet he was Untermyer. Also identified early as a Zionist and served as president of the Karen Hasad, the agency which the movement was then and is still conducted in America. How have I not heard about this? K E R E N H A Y E S O D the age in 1933 he founded the non sectarian anti Zionist or anti Nazi league in 1933. Oh, I wonder what the the and the non sectarian Anti Nazi League right changed its mission to directly investigate right wing propaganda groups. Amongst them were the Christian Front of Father Coughlin. Non sectarian Anti Nazi League. Its mission was to directly investigate right wing propaganda groups. Among them were the Christian Front of Father Coughlin, the Christian mobilizers of Joseph McWilliams.

[Stormy Waters]

Gonna check that out.

[Unidentified Historian]

The America First Party. And this group, this anti Nazi league also began to support the civil rights movement.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, we are so shocked. Yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

And it for it filed its first lawsuit in 1945 against Columbia University to have its tax exempt status revoked for discriminating against who Jews.

[Pete Quinones]

Which is really interesting because that's where his son graduated from.

[Unidentified Historian]

I wouldn't doubt was also instrumental in shutting down hate based groups in Atlanta, Georgia by hiring Stetson Kennedy, William Stetson Kennedy to infiltrate these groups. The league continued its investigation to expose activities throughout the 1950s providing the FBI with intelligence about such right wing neo Nazi groups as National Resistance Party. Oh, wasn't that the party?

[Pete Quinones]

That's National Renaissance Party.

[Unidentified Historian]

Sorry, National Renaissance Party. Yeah.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. Kurt Medic Murdick.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

And also isn't that the one that.

[Unidentified Historian]

What's his name, the painter? Rockwell.

[Pete Quinones]

George Lincoln Rockwell. I'm not sure that he had. I'm not sure he had anything to do with this. I will look though. Yep. Well, it says the party also endorsed standard racist ideas as a. It maintained ties with other groups. Groups including George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, it turns out this. This organization, the non secular, the non sectarian anti Zionist League when it shut down was right. It seems to just not get shut down at all, but folded into the adl. I guess that's where they kept their really tight relationship with the FBI. Wow. We're doing research live.

[Pete Quinones]

Listen to this one. The National Renaissance which, unlike its political activities in New York, was widely influential in right wing circles. In the early 1950s, H. Keith Thompson and Frederick Weiss subsidized a larger than usual print run of an issue of a mag the magazine containing an essay by Francis Parker Yockey entitled what is behind the hanging of the 11 Jews in Prague? On the Prague show trials of Rudolf Slasky and 10 other Jewish members of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, which Yaqui had attended. Eustace Mullins, who Martin A. Lee called the NRP self proclaimed expert on the US Federal Reserve, published his notorious article Adolf Hitler An Appreciation in the Journal as well. They were investigated by HUAC for possible prosecution under the Smith act and no additional action was taken.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, I guess that's what happens when communists try and bring something to fucking Joseph McCarthy.

[Stormy Waters]

Probably not going to look into it. Oh God.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, the Louis Dima bits. The, the gentleman that,

[Stormy Waters]

that married Brandeis's daughter.

[Pete Quinones]

Yes.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

It turns out he started the con, started the Conservative Judaism movement.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh well that, I mean that's just to teach us good Judeo Judeo Christian values. Right?

[Unidentified Historian]

Yep. Wow, that's so funny all of this,

[Pete Quinones]

I mean it's, it's amazing once you start digging deep into, into this, how all of it's connected.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yep. Wow. So the dot. The wife or sorry the husband of Louis Brandeis,

[Stormy Waters]

or sorry, the husband of

[Unidentified Historian]

the daughter of Louis Brandeis, the guy who was a courier for Mr. Brandeis into the Roosevelt administration, then goes and gets extremely active in conservative politics afterwards.

[Pete Quinones]

I'm sure that that was bad. I'm sure it was. I'm sure he was one of his.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, he probably went into the wrong building.

[Stormy Waters]

This is unreal. I didn't even, I didn't even know that part. Right.

[Unidentified Historian]

Like Lewis Brandeis made his career off of going after John Pierpont Morgan and the Morgan family and the Rockefeller family and the dupont family. And it seems that his progeny was, you know, after they crushed the real American right wing, they, they inserted themselves into conservative politics at the same time as they're driving left wing politics. It's almost like they are, they're doing something. Yeah. You could do a whole show on,

[Stormy Waters]

on just Louis Brandeis.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, 100%. Yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

Dems versus the United States. Wow. Dude, this guy is unreal.

[Pete Quinones]

Doing it's, it's amazing to watch. I guess it's amazing to watch us do research in real time, huh?

[Unidentified Historian]

His final years of his career. Like the rest of the court, he initially combined the

[Pete Quinones]

untermyer was untermyer. Was responsible for like getting like Moody, Moody, Moody Bible College to pushing that Moody Bible College would take and start using the Schofield study bubble. And you have to wonder why would a Jew be so interested in that? I wonder.

[Unidentified Historian]

And the entire time as this dude is passing messages to fdr, he is openly saying that he's against the New Dealers. Wasn't Lewis Brandeis Wasn't yet. Lewis Brandeis was the guy, right, that leaned on FDR to get. Who is that crazy Secretary of State that he put in there that wanted to basically genocide all the Germans?

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, Morgan thou. Henry Morgan. Yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

Morgan thou. Yep. Wow. Henry Morgan thou came out of the same law firm. I mean, wow. All at the same time. They kill. I mean, I got it credit where credit is due. This is impressive, right? They're taking over the left. They're completely disenfranchising and cha chasing and like a, like a face hugger taking over the American right at the same time as I bet you Father Coughlin scared the shit out of them.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, you want to hear something? Even something that I'm finding here on the Puja Show Committee? Okay. So the resolution that was picked up by Congressman Pujo was introduced for a probe of Wall street power by Charles Lindbergh Senior. Can you imagine that? He probably did this thinking there might be a problem here. We need to. We need to investigate it then. All of these people looking for a

[Tyler Redick]

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[Pete Quinones]

Take it. Run with his idea and just take it to destroy, you know, you know, these men who are trying to keep America a certain way. And do you think maybe he learned by that and he taught his son? Maybe. Or maybe his son learned something by that?

[Unidentified Historian]

I think so. And funny enough, it was actually not

[Stormy Waters]

a lot of people know this, but

[Unidentified Historian]

I heard Thomas say it once on your show that,

[Stormy Waters]

that the bankers and

[Unidentified Historian]

industrialists, they didn't actually want war.

[Stormy Waters]

They didn't like go start wars for money. Right?

[Unidentified Historian]

And there's a lot of truth to that because in the Morgan archives, right, they, they basically communicated. A lot of bankers did this. Like Rothschild had their own secret code. Everybody had their own like secret code. So only until very recently did a

[Stormy Waters]

lot of these banks open up their archives, right?

[Unidentified Historian]

They, they Were obsessive about saving correspondence. But in the archives here, let me pull it up

[Stormy Waters]

in my notes.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah.

[Tyler Redick]

Wow.

[Stormy Waters]

So in the run up to World

[Unidentified Historian]

War I, William Randolph Hearst and his

[Stormy Waters]

bestest friends

[Unidentified Historian]

in the papers, right after they got in the run up to

[Stormy Waters]

World War I was when all this

[Unidentified Historian]

money trust stuff started and the Peugeot committee started, right. Basically kind of made it toxic to be associated with kind of WASP Wall street politically. But during World War I, right when it initially started, it was actually Morgan and company that tried to stop World War I by clandestinely. By clandestinely trying to stop the fighting between Turkey and the Baltic States in 1912. Right.

[Tyler Redick]

They.

[Unidentified Historian]

The only.

[Stormy Waters]

The only really tool he had was

[Unidentified Historian]

to offer large loans to both sides in exchange to agree to US Mediation to kind of catch the conflict when it was in its early stages. Because war is terrible to banking, right? Like what banking wants is stability, right? Banking wants everything to continue as you know it is going. Especially when you're banking at that level, when you're making huge loans to like German industry, British industry. Like if you were a big company like that's been in business as long as Krupp has, right, that has got a whole bunch of government contracts and gate great government relationships. The same as like a lot of the British arms companies or the British shipping companies. Those are very safe companies to, you know, to give loans to those countries. Those companies are going to be able to pay them off. So the idea of one nation full of companies that you have that you lent money to trying to blow up another country full of companies that you lent money to, like how. How does this benefit bankers? Like, yes, maybe they made some money in like the U. In investing in the US Companies that were making arms and making other things. But these men already own those companies.

[Stormy Waters]

Anyways.

[Unidentified Historian]

So they. This clandestine diplomacy was happening out of the same office in Paris. Morgan and Hedges, that will later come back to. In the businessman's plot, right? So the. It was run by the head of Morgan, the head partner at Morgan and Hodges and U.S. ambassador to France, Myron Herrick. And Myron got both of these nations to sit down, both of their ambassadors to sit down, while the Morgan and Hodges partner with a letter from Pierpont was like, hey, here's a gigantic loan that you guys don't really have to pay off if you both, you know, just agree to U.S. mediation. And unfortunately they didn't bite. But there's no reason for that to even have happened if J.P. morgan wanted World War I.

[Stormy Waters]

Like it doesn't make Any sense.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah. Anyways, obviously they side the Brits once the war started, but they were kind of forced to choose at that point. They had way more loans to England than they did to Germany.

[Pete Quinones]

I think this is right about the time. We should probably wrap up and prepare for part two.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah. Then we'll get into the actual committee because luckily enough the Senate did a investigatory committee into this attempted fascist couple. So it leaves us with a lot of first hand evidence. So lucky us, it's the McCormack Committee. McCormack Committee. For any of you listeners at home that want to start digging into this and have your fucking minds blown before Pete and I, you know, blow them in the next episode.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, the. Looking it up right now and trying to find. Trying to find a page on it, but the Cormac committee. Yep.

[Stormy Waters]

McCormack, Dick Stein committee, 34 to 35.

[Pete Quinones]

Got it. All right, cool.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah. The Dickstein Committee. I wonder. Let me do an early life on Mr. Dixie.

[Pete Quinones]

I'm sure that's not even. I'm sure you don't even have to do that.

[Unidentified Historian]

No. Out of curiosity, I'm going to.

[Stormy Waters]

Wow.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah. I. Democratic Congressman, he played a key role in establishing the committee that became the House Committee,

[Stormy Waters]

which used.

[Unidentified Historian]

Which he used to attack fascists and Nazi sympathizers. Wow, that's nice.

[Stormy Waters]

That's nice of him.

[Unidentified Historian]

Him and Alan Weinstein. That's great.

[Pete Quinones]

All right, well that'll be. We. Can we put that out there as a. As a teaser for next time? All right, well, I'll. I'll make sure to link your. Your Twitter in the, in the notes and everything.

[Unidentified Historian]

He was, he was a. He was born to a. A Jewish family of five children from Russia.

[Stormy Waters]

His dad was Rabbi Israel Dickstein.

[Pete Quinones]

Settled on the Lower east side. Public and private schools. City College of New York. Yeah, the. There was a time when that was one of the only colleges that Jews could get into in New York. So it was ccny. Yeah. C. Cny. The. The joke used to be that it was circumcised citizens of New York. That's what they called the college.

[Unidentified Historian]

Oh man. Back in a better time.

[Pete Quinones]

But yeah.

[Unidentified Historian]

All right, man. I think. I think next time we will have a lot of fun, you know, talking about that evil, evil Nazi coup that Mr. Dickstein luckily put a stop to. Thank goodness.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, man. Yeah, John. And Mr. McCormack is. He was born in Boston, but his dad was a Canadian. Yeah. Yeah. Really? They look to be very Mick though. They. It looks like the Irish. The Irish runs deep in that family.

[Unidentified Historian]

So I, I have to, I have to be honest. I can't just point and blame the Hughes for all this. It was the.

[Stormy Waters]

It was the Irish that were kind

[Unidentified Historian]

of like their men on the ground. You know, the problem with organizing all of the workers of the world, they don't mean like, you know, cubicle workers. They meant like, you know, manual labor workers. Problem with, you know, this certain group of people trying to organize labor when they themselves are allergic to labor, like, you know, fatally allergic to labor. It was very difficult. You know, you need help. And the Irishmen were more than happy to be the. Be the bridge into the labor that these certain people were too good to do themselves. So I, I can't leave the Irish out of it.

[Stormy Waters]

You mix are just as guilty as they are

[Unidentified Historian]

filthy immigrants.

[Stormy Waters]

You're all going back suck.

[Pete Quinones]

I guess I'm going back to. Where am I going? Where the hell am I going to? All right, Ben.

[Unidentified Historian]

This is all those people that are like, oh, well, just leave. Yeah, like just go somewhere else. Like give up on America.

[Pete Quinones]

Where the. Where the do. Yeah, like, you know, you know, there's one group that has like their, you know, built their little place in the Middle east that they can run to if things get bad. Where the do I go?

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah, like my family's been here since a hundred. More than 100 years since there was a United States of like, where am I?

[Pete Quinones]

I actually have citizenship to another country. If I, if I wanted to, I can reapply for it. I had it at one time. I let it lapse. I have to reapply. I can get it, but I can't step foot in that country because I've said stuff publicly that could get me thrown in jail in that country.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh, that, that is quite the conundrum. A good way of at least getting

[Unidentified Historian]

your money out of the country is taking a flight to Singapore. I highly recommend anybody that is listening that has the means to do so to do it. Singapore is a very brilliant country that obviously because it was, you know, created by such a noble man as Lee Kuan Yew, who I think everyone that is interested in politics needs to study Lee Kuan Yew.

[Stormy Waters]

I think he might actually be one

[Unidentified Historian]

of the most brilliant political minds of the last 60, 70 years.

[Stormy Waters]

And he's often overlooked.

[Unidentified Historian]

A very race realist. But in Singapore, they are very smart. And all the Singapore banks have branches in the international terminal of the airport. So you could fly to Singapore in like a layover somewhere else. Right.

[Stormy Waters]

Never even get your passport stamped as Far as anybody knows, you were never

[Unidentified Historian]

even in Singapore, Right?

[Stormy Waters]

The same way as if, like I

[Unidentified Historian]

have a layover in Germany, I never leave the international terminal, right? I never. I never went to Germany. But tons of Singapore banks will happily

[Stormy Waters]

set up accounts for you

[Unidentified Historian]

in that international terminal.

[Stormy Waters]

Most of them won't even ask for docs.

[Unidentified Historian]

Find me another bank.

[Stormy Waters]

Not only is it the only banks,

[Unidentified Historian]

the only banks ever find an international terminal of an airport, but they're also the only ones that will take gold physical on deposit. So, yeah, if you can, if you can, if you ever want to get your money out of the country, you can do it, right?

[Stormy Waters]

And once you have that account set

[Unidentified Historian]

up, you can wire from your account back home into it. And once it goes in, the US

[Stormy Waters]

can't get it back.

[Unidentified Historian]

So even though we can't go to

[Stormy Waters]

Germany without getting arrested, or at least our money can go somewhere else.

[Pete Quinones]

All right, well, until. Until the next time. Thank you.

[Stormy Waters]

Soon.

[Pete Quinones]

Appreciate it.

[Stormy Waters]

Bye.

[Pete Quinones]

I want to welcome everyone back to the Pete Cana show. Stormy is back for part two, talking about the quote unquote robber barons. How are you doing, Stormy?

[Stormy Waters]

I'm doing very well. I'm doing very well.

[Pete Quinones]

Before we get started, Pete.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah.

[Pete Quinones]

What. What do you want to do?

[Unidentified Historian]

Housekeeping.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So in the previous episode, I mentioned that Jack. No, sorry. John Pierpont Morgan's, I think a great, great, great, grand. No, great, great grandfather at that point in time was the same as the rum bottle pirate. It's not necessarily the case. All he was is he was a. He was a very famous privateer during the lead up to. He was doing sketchy stuff before the Revolutionary War, was a privateer and then continued on being a privateer, I'm assuming, was it when the US had the problem with the Moors. So this was still it.

[Pete Quinones]

The Barbary. The Barbary Pirates.

[Stormy Waters]

Barbary pirates. There you go. There we go. So, yeah. So he was a pirate named Morgan and a privateer named Morgan. Whether or not that's the same Captain Morgan, probably not. I. I probably don't think that it is. I don't know. The genealogy of the rum bottle guy.

[Pete Quinones]

And was that from. Was that from the House of. Was that from the House of Morgan book? That. That implied that.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah. So House of. The House of Morgan, first two chapters is about the Morgan family prior to John Pierpont. Right. So you had John Pierpont's dad, who I can't remember, I'm blanking on. Which I think was just Pierpont. And then before him going back like two generations, three generations. So it goes into very early Lee Morgan history, long before banking and long before Pierpont was selling American bonds to English investors. So this would still be like British financial primacy, both pre Revolutionary War and early after. So two generations. It goes back to the mid-1600s. Morgan family not doing too much. It's, you know, the chapters are kind of quick in comparison to the rest of the information, you know, packed into the later chapters. It's a 900 page tome, but anybody that has the time to read it, I really think you should because it goes into. After John died and Jack took over, the bank had gotten so big. I was talking to a mutual friend, a fantastic account to follow. He and I geek out about science and consciousness science all the time. We actually did a really popular. Which I'm glad I still find it kind of shocking that anybody finds my private interests like, interesting. You know, I know people like professionally I've. I'm kind of used to like, you know, speaking at summits or whatever or conferences. So I know like my public, you know, professional ideas can sometimes be interesting. But I still find it amazing that people find like the stuff I nerd out to privately of value. But he and I did a really great consciousness series on the state of consciousness science and what the implications are. But he and I were talking about the peculiarities of WASP patronage and why it's different than anything. So a. He called me because when I said in the last show that the European aristocracy had really been dead for 200 years by the time the revolution rolled around, and he very begrudgingly was calling and said, yeah, I think you're right, it's really, really, really sad. But by the time this 1600, 1700s, I guess it was more similar to what we have today as elites, just very unimpressive people that became kind of with few exceptions, but very, very vampiristic and not the type of behavior that you and I were talking about on our first episode. And in talking about that we touched

[Tyler Redick]

on

[Stormy Waters]

kind of the. So you're not going to like. I've never heard of something like this practiced in any other society or any other culture, but you see it throughout the American aristocracy and it died out roughly around the same time as their power died out. And the 60s was probably like the total disenfranchisement, but by the 40s it was, it was really well underway. But Jack Morgan, the son of John

[Unidentified Historian]

Pierpont,

[Stormy Waters]

by the time the second or the First World War wrapped up, JP Morgan and really Wall street in its entirety had official like officially like it was. It wasn't in doubt anymore. The financial headquarters, the financial capital of the world was now New York. World War I ended England's financial primacy in the world. And the financial capital of capital was in America now. And all of a sudden the it became very important for, for JP Morgan the institution to went from a very hyper nationalist or a hyper national bank.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

It really like all of Morgan financial power was concentrated into roughly two buildings plus Pierpont's apartment and Jack's estate in the Hamptons.

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[Stormy Waters]

And that was it. But a rapid expansion was needed for them to hold on to that primacy. So Jack ended up moving to England shortly after. These guys never really moved to any place. Not to call them cosmopolitan, rootless cosmopolitans, but these men had a estate in the UK usually. And it wasn't just, it wasn't just Jack Morgan. A lot of these guys did right that they would spend the summer months because you know, the hunting, particularly bird hunting and most importantly fox hunting was. It was just the thing to do. So these men would have places and you know, in the city, in New York City, a place in London in the city and then a country estate and usually another estate out in like the Hamptons or Newport, Rhode Island. But Jack would move to spend most of his time in his country estate. He literally became like full on country gentleman, like out of what you would imagine like Downtown Abbey is right. Like that's, that's how he live the rest of his life. He would probably spend only five or six months back in New York because his primary focus became the international operation of the bank. A lot of responsibility comes from primacy. And so the need for JP Morgan to have a footprint in Japan, which at this point was just rising and rapidly industrializing capital needed to be there in Shanghai and in Brussels and in France. And that really dominated most of Jack's involvement for the rest of his life in JP Morgan. So US operations was really where the core of the business was. You know, kind of like how all of our, even all of our corporate

[Unidentified Historian]

decisions are now made in Washington.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

Like power kind of centralizes all by itself. So the US Operations passed on to a guy by the name of Thomas Lamont. And Thomas Lamont is probably the. It probably doesn't sound like a very familiar name to anybody, but if you Google Thomas Lamont, you'll find out he's one of the most important people in the last, you know, from really World War II onto his death, which I believe was in the 80s. All right? But the man who made J.P. morgan kind of what it is today was Thomas Lamont and not Jack Morgan. Jack, at this point in time, by the time World War II rolled around, Jack's entire interests were politics, particularly US politics. You know, being in Europe and seeing what was happening in Europe just increased that even more. But I want to touch on this type of patronage before we get into the business plot. Thomas Lamont was an orphan, right?

[Unidentified Historian]

A pauper.

[Stormy Waters]

So not only did he have really no family to speak of, no, I think he had his father, who I believe died when he was 12 or 10. And the family that Tom's father worked for. All right, this is another thing, right? So, like, let's say you work for one of these men, right? Like, you're their mechanic for their automobiles, because back then, you know, you needed a mechanic because you probably had two cars, and if you didn't have a mechanic, there wouldn't be a guarantee that one of those two cars would be running at any given time. So if you wanted a car that you could drive, you know, whenever you wanted to, that required a mechanic to guarantee. So whether you're the mechanic, whether you're the cobbler, right, you make one of these men's shoes, you're his tailor, right? You work closely with any of these men, and if something were to ever happen to you, right? This is before, like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, life insurance was kind of a thing, but it was prohibitively expensive, really, all of insurance was prohibitively expensive in that time, whether it be shipping or otherwise, there was no safety net for you, right? So if you're the son of a mechanic and your dad dies, your mom is basically going to be on the streets and the rest of your life is going to look like just abject horror, right? And what only the. Only the WASP aristocracy made a point of doing is whenever something like that would happen, right? Anyone that worked for the family in any capacity, if something were to happen, they felt it was their duty to house whether she, you know, whether, you know, you're the mechanic's wife. You know, your mom, in this hypothetical scenario, got moved into one of the guest homes or, or the maid's quarters, whether that be a separate house on the property or inside the main house. And you would be sent to boarding school.

[Unidentified Historian]

These people,

[Stormy Waters]

it's really a shame. These men believed that it was their duty to ensure that you were educated to the highest degree, because you were basically their responsibility. So if you're going to be their responsibility, you are in one way, shape, or form a representation of them, of who they are as a man. So the reason why

[Unidentified Historian]

you treat your

[Stormy Waters]

wife nicely or your girlfriend very nicely, the reason why you want her to dress very nicely, be presentable, why you want everyone to treat her very, very well when she goes out, is because she is a representation of you. She's your proxy, right? So if somebody disrespects her, they're disrespecting you. And how she appears and how she carries herself is a representation of you. How your house looks. If your house is a fucking mess, nobody's going to respect you. Your home, your family, your wife, these are all a man's proxies, like his avatars. Wherever they go, they will always be a representation of him, the man. And these men viewed that boundary layer much further out than we do. So if you were in the employee of one of these men, and God forbid something happened to you, they would take that man's children as their responsibility, not their children. They're not adopting them, but they're taking them on because it was their duty. This man worked for me. He was under my employees. Now something terrible has happened to him. It is my job as a man to make sure that his kids have at least every opportunity. Whatever the children do with the opportunities, that's no reflection on you. But them being denied those opportunities is a reflection on you. You send the child of your mechanic, your former deceased mechanic, you send him to the same boarding schools that you send your children to, because that's the type of person you are. Not only are your sons, it's expected that your sons would go to this boarding school, but you are sending that young man to the same boarding school, which means you're basically telling something to the world. They're telling the world that they have

[Pete Quinones]

not

[Stormy Waters]

shirked their duty, which is really like the defining characteristic of these, you know, how they oriented themselves in the world. So Tom Lamont was one of those kids. And this is what the WASP aristocracy did that no other aristocracy did. It was a type of eugenics. And the entire defining criteria was character. And you see character talked about all the time. If you read any of the correspondence of any of these men, whether it be Rockefeller, whether it be Carnegie, whether it be Dupont, any of the dupont brothers. They talk about character so much, and character is. Everybody talks about how base the National Socialists were. They understood the importance of eugenics. Where did they get that understanding of eugenics from, Pete?

[Pete Quinones]

The progressive movement in the United States, basically?

[Stormy Waters]

Well, I mean, yeah, I would say it's not the progressive movement. I mean, John D. Rockefeller wasn't a progressive and he was the guy that endowed all of the institutes. But they were sorting for care. They were doing eugenics, but they were sorting for character. If you look at all of the genetic or the eugenics discussions at the time, they weren't trying to root out who is going to be the weakest or who is going to be the most frail or who is going to be the strongest and the best looking. That's not what they were sorting for.

[Unidentified Historian]

They were sorting for character.

[Stormy Waters]

It's impossible to miss if you're looking at any of the dialogue on eugenics of the time, right? Like, oh, well, this is a lie. These people can't reproduce. Because if you look, both of the parents are criminals or the mother is an alcoholic and the father is a criminal, the children of this union will only have poor character. So character was a defining thing for the aristocracy of America. And when they would give out this patronage, when they take responsibility for these kids and they would do it a lot like you could find, it would take you not too much searching, but you would find out that John D. Rockefeller probably did that. He probably put 40 kids through private school. That other than his children, the duponts, even more, the Morgans, this was how they brought new blood into the aristocracy, right? When anyone, somebody was. When someone was in their service and something bad happened to that person, they would take the children and give the children the same opportunities that their children had. And they would see, they would sit and wait. And if the person was of good character, the same opportunities later on in life would be provided to them. That's how you get to be Tom Lamont, orphan kid going to the nicest prep school in America because who your dad worked for.

[Pete Quinones]

Were you aware that his great grandson Ned is the governor of Connecticut? No.

[Stormy Waters]

That is right now,

[Pete Quinones]

yes.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh, that's so upsetting. That's so upsetting. One of the things I resent the most is not being able to live in New England anymore. I grew up in Connecticut. Like, I had probably the most idyllic childhood anyone could ever have. I lived on a beautiful old Stone house. Fucking almost a mile long driveway to you know, a nice gate with big stone wall. And the stone wall ended up. Ended in two pillars with lampposts on the. Like I don't get to live there anymore because the city governments and the state governments can't stop borrowing money and the interest on that money is literally making them insolvent. So my friends that still live there, their property taxes are roughly about as much as their mortgage, except for they're never going to be able to pay off their property taxes. And unlike their mortgage that stays roughly the same, their property taxes double pretty much every five years. So either their money doubles every five years, which it doesn't. Eventually every town in Connecticut is going

[Unidentified Historian]

to be the largest property owners in

[Stormy Waters]

Connecticut are going to be, you know, the towns themselves. So yeah, that and how they are intent on, you know, running the country. Like it drives me nuts that I can't even live in New England. Like the only New England's the prettiest place in the entire country. Like sorry, you know, out west bros and sorry Montana bros and sorry Wyoming bros. Rural New England is the prettiest place in the entire continental United States. It just is. And it's the only place with history. Right. Like you're not going to be walking through the woods in Wyoming anyway. Yeah, it just gets me angry.

[Pete Quinones]

I think Virginia bros will have a fit if you say it's the only place it has history.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, but we also have. Yeah, but Virginia bros don't get fall like New England gets fall. So they are as pretty. 75% of the time actually like. Yeah, 75% of the time. But then like, you know, when fall comes around, we kind of edge our way out in front and I'm sure they would be willing to concede that. I will concede their, their springs are probably prettier than ours because they get warmer faster. But yeah, also another place that's been equally destroyed. So I find it really, really funny that that guy, especially with that name is now presiding over it. Like just the absolute destruction of the

[Unidentified Historian]

moral compass of the boomer generation astounds me.

[Stormy Waters]

Anyways, getting, getting off track. I do that a lot. But it was a type of patronage that I think that we should obviously I don't think we should be putting strangers kids through college or to school. But I think that this is something that all of us can do right. If you. I think if somebody loses their job in our thing, I think it's every one of our duties to try and help that person find A new job. At bare minimum.

[Pete Quinones]

I mean, I just released an episode this week today myself. And not me, not you. From ogc. He was on the ground in North Carolina for the past. Yeah, he was there after the. Try to help with the relief efforts and everything. And, you know, one of the things he said at the end was he said, young guys who think you, you know, you're missing out on adventure, go there right now. People need help. There are people who are willing to help there. The means are there. You can click up with people in the Old Glory Club who are on the ground right now. Go do it. And we owe it to these people to do it.

[Stormy Waters]

How many people took him up on that?

[Pete Quinones]

I mean, I just released the episode, so I released it like three hours ago.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh, okay. I missed that first part. Yeah. I strongly encourage anybody that's listening to this to go then listen to that episode and

[Unidentified Historian]

just.

[Stormy Waters]

We need to be better because we used to be better. And we're really good at making excuses. And I think that's what. Like, I think that's one of the biggest crutches of our time is that we've gotten so much better and there's so many, like, little things that take away your time or could consume your time, whatever, that we've gotten really good at coming up with excuses or the

[Unidentified Historian]

excuses are provided to us for why

[Stormy Waters]

we don't do things that we know we should. So I know there's a couple guys in our thing that I've tried to help employ. Sorry, not personally, but make sure that they are introduced to people that will give them a career that they want or a career that I think that they would be very foolish to not take. And if you're listening to this and you're in a similar position, that needs to be something you do if something bad happens to somebody in our. Not just in our thing.

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[Stormy Waters]

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[Stormy Waters]

Like, if you're listening to this, you have a responsibility to be better than everybody else and not like in the way that all the people in our. That some people in our thing. Larp as Aristocrats. As disenfranchised Aristocrats.

[Unidentified Historian]

There's nothing.

[Stormy Waters]

That. The way the term has been kind of bandered around or sorry. Batted about in our Thing is really kind of like how, you know, the way people in our thing view aristocracy or nobility is really no different than how a. I don't know how a drug dealer views wealth. Right. It's. There's a term I want to use, but I know this is probably going to go on YouTube, so I won't use it. But it is N word rich. And we have a similar concept of nobility and aristocracy. If we go back in time. What did men of means think of nobility? Well, they didn't think it was about being better than anybody else. You don't build 2,000 churches, 3,000 churches because you're better than everybody else. You don't build every public library in the nation because you're better than everybody else. You build them because you want everybody

[Unidentified Historian]

else to be better.

[Stormy Waters]

Just period better. Which means that you wouldn't be so much better than them if your whole identity is being better than everybody else. The last thing that you would want to do is to give people the means, people that you viewed beneath you, the means to self actualization to be better. But in fact, that is your duty. That's what nobility is really all about. It's about those four letters. So whether it's go to North Carolina and help out, I apologize, that was very rude. I'll put my phone on silent. I thought I already did that. It's your duty to go to North Carolina if you can and help out. It's your duty to help get one of our guys a job when he gets doxed or laid off. It's your duty to help chip in

[Unidentified Historian]

if

[Stormy Waters]

some unforeseen and regrettable medical thing happens to one of our guys or to someone, you know, and they don't have insurance. Like, we shirk so much of our duty to our fellow people and we view it like, oh, well, you know, sometimes it's tied up in like religious things. But it's just, it's not like charity can and is part of, you know, the Christian faith. But that's also just what you should do. If you look like me and you look like Pete, that's your responsibility. And I think that's probably the thing that's the most regrettable out of all the things that we've lost. I think that one's the worst.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, the whole idea of like when we had our event, the Old Glory Club had our event, you know, it's suit, it's jacket and tie the whole time. The whole time. The Old Glory Club here in Alabama, when we meet, it's at Least jacket. And there's. Yeah. And there's a reason for that. And I think a lot of people don't understand just exactly how casual. And that word has many meanings and can be taken many ways. We become about the way we carry ourselves.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes, yes. How we speak, how we dress.

[Pete Quinones]

Wearing a jacket. Wearing a jacket makes it a lot easier to hide a weapon, too.

[Stormy Waters]

So, yeah, there is. You can actually hide a weapon and several reloads. You can get at least a couple mags in and probably a pcc, depending on how chunky you are. If anybody is listening that doesn't have the capital for like a nice suit or nice suit jacket, I want you to DM me. If you do have the capital and you lie about it to get some really, really, really sick, you know, dress attire, you'll have to live with that for the rest of your life. I don't know what that's going to be like, but I can't imagine it's great.

[Tyler Redick]

So.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, well, you would.

[Pete Quinones]

You would hope that somebody's conscience would be. Would be clear.

[Stormy Waters]

Exactly.

[Pete Quinones]

You would hope that. Yeah, you'd hope. We're dealing with quality people here, and I know we are, so let's.

[Stormy Waters]

Very high quality men. All right, so let's talk a little bit about the specter of fascism in America.

[Pete Quinones]

Let's do that.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah. Yeah. So the organization that the business plot

[Unidentified Historian]

was

[Stormy Waters]

was done under, right. Like, what the official organization was, was something called the American Liberty League. And I know we touched a little bit on it at the end of last episode, and I'm probably gonna have to do some house cleaning again on the next one. I make broad strokes. So, yeah, just salt the taste. But if I were to say right wing fascist and then I were to say Huey Long, would you think those things are diametrically opposed or simpler?

[Pete Quinones]

I have no. I have no issue with the term right wing fascist and Huey Long being in the same sentence.

[Stormy Waters]

Well, they were. So. Mr. Or not. Mr. Huey Long

[Pete Quinones]

was

[Stormy Waters]

a very avid. So this is a con. This is a. This is a bigger thing. I can get into Huey Long and, And what, what his role in this

[Pete Quinones]

was,

[Stormy Waters]

but his presence kind of. It points to a larger trend about what was going on or what these men thought was going on.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

Because what is fascism? Why does Mussolini's Italy and how his government functions and Hitler's Germany and how the Reich functioned and Franco's Spain and how that government functioned?

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

If I were to try and, like, draw parallels, I would be. I'd be in big Trouble. Because if fascism is a type of governance structure, how come all the fascist governments are different, right? Like if, you know, Mussolini and Franco are the same thing. All right, like how Mao Zedong and you know, Stalin are supposedly are, are the same thing. They're both communists, right? Well, their governments function almost identically. They even have the same names for the same. But I'd be hard pressed to find really any parallels between any of the so called fascist nations. The only parallel that I can find, the only commonality between any of them, all of them, is that they came about as an immune response to communist revolution. That's the only commonality they have, that their nations were undergoing a communist revolution. And these were the men that were organized and capable of fighting against it and pushing back against it to protect their, a, their nation and be all of the citizens in there, even the reluctant lefty ones. That's the only commonality. So is the US and the attempted fascism. Is that any different? And I would argue no it's not. And we joke about what was. We joke about fdr, we joke about the New Deal, we've got a million commie jokes. And the Venona cables proved that there were in fact a lot of commies in the Roosevelt government and many of the government subsequent. But what did the men at the time think and why were they so scared? Because they were scared of something,

[Pete Quinones]

right?

[Stormy Waters]

Or else Huey Long, John J. Raskin, the founder and chairman of General Motors, a long time Democrat and DNC supporter. I believe at one time he was co chair of the dnc. He actually was head of the committee that got FDR elected. So what the fuck is he doing in the American Liberty League? And why is he so scared about what's happening with fdr? Or what about Al Smith? Al Smith's a very interesting man. He was the chairman of the DNC at the time that FDR got elected. He was actually the Democrat candidate for president the election cycle prior. Like you couldn't get more on the same team as fdr, but somehow now John Jay Raskin and Al Smith, longtime governor of New York and chairman of the Democrat Party. And these guys and Huey Long are on the same team as Ivory Dupont and Pierre Dupont, Ira Dupont. I mean this guy funded every extremist right wing political movement in America his entire lifetime since he was like 14. He's basically the polar opposite to John Raskin and Al Smith and Huey and Huey Long. Huey Long got famous for fighting Standard Oil and taking a percentage of those oil profits that the great state of Louisiana was making and giving it to some of the people in Louisiana. Standard Oil tried sending people to beat him into a coma or kill him. I don't think actually kill him, but, you know, beat the hell out of him. And he fought Standard Oil for years like he was enemy number one on John Rockefeller's list for better part of half a decade. So why is Huey Long on the American Liberty League with John D. Rockefeller at that time? It's very old, so the. The Rockefeller boys, at this point, he was either. He had either just passed. But the Rockefeller boys. I don't want to have to do more house cleaning next time.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

Why are these men. Why is John Raskin on the same team as Henry Ford and Pierpont Morgan again? Why is the chairman of General Motors on the same team as the founder chairman of Ford? What were these men afraid of? Because they were afraid of something. Because outside of the American Liberty League, these men, I would be surprised if the two, if any of them bumped into each other on the street. A fight would ensue with Huey Long, I guarantee it. So what made these men come together? There is a speech that. Pete, I sent you this morning that I came across that just kind of. I'm going to read the last couple pages or, sorry, the last couple paragraphs. They're short. Right.

[Pete Quinones]

Good.

[Stormy Waters]

All right, here we go. Here we go. Now, in conclusion, let me give this solemn warning. There can be one capital. It is either Washington or Moscow. There can be only one atmosphere of governance. The clear, the pure, the fresh free air of America or the foul breath of Communist Russia. There can be only one flag. The stars and the stripes or the red flag of the godless Soviet Union. There can be only one national anthem, the Star Spangled Banner or the International. And there can be only one victor. If the Constitution wins, we win. But if the Constitution. Stop. Damn, he's really good. Stop. Stop there. The Constitution can't lose. The fact is it is already won. But the news has not reached certain ears. And this was from the first. Meeting of the American Liberty League in 1932. This is from. I found this in cycle teaching American history. It's like a progressive. Like, I guess if you want some progressive college, like for a law degree like this, this is where you go for additional resources. But here's the study questions. In what way does Smith believe that the Democrat. Sorry, the Democratic administration he helped put into office as the chair of the DNC has not been faithful to the Democrat party's platform of 1932? Why does he think the New Deal is somehow Russian Bolshevism and in league with the Soviet Union. And what is he calling his fellow Democrats and Republicans to do? That's a study question. I mean, anybody that needs to add a study question, just read what I read. I don't if. If that's a question to you, I don't think you've got a very prominent career in law ahead of you. And what does Smith's critique of the New Deal compare to that of Herbert Hoover in his speech, this Challenge to Liberty? And how does it compare to the criticisms of one Huey Long in his speech, the statement on the share of our wealth, Society, and Father Coughlin, a third party? A Challenge to Liberty by Hoover was written. It was given in 1936. Huey Long's speech, December of 1935, and Father Coughlin's a third party in 1936. What the fuck does Al Smith, a Catholic and an Irishman, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, former Democratic presidential candidate Herbert Hoover, the previous president, Republican Ryan Seacrest, here.

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[Stormy Waters]

Huey Long, like, Huey Long is just Huey Long. He's in, like, you can't even call him, like a member of a party. Like, he. He was a political force in and of himself, and he ran the state of Louisiana that way. What does Huey Long, Al Smith, Herbert Hoover, and Father Coughlin have in common? Father Coughlin, Really?

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. You got strange bedfellows. Right? I mean, it's very. It's a good question, and I think maybe even a better question at this point is why don't we learn about this in school?

[Stormy Waters]

Right? I mean, you want to talk about bipartisanship, Right? This isn't unity. I don't know what is. And what force was so strong. That Jack Morgan, Nat Rockefeller, John Raskin, Iri and Pierre dupont? Al Smith, Huey Long, Father Conklin, Henry Ford. Like, what's more powerful than that

[Tyler Redick]

when

[Stormy Waters]

you have this other group.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. When you have the head of Ford Motor Company and the head of GM coming together to agree on something.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yes.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. Yeah. And this wasn't Them coming together to be. It's a plot to be like, oh, you know, let's, let's corner the market on this and everything. No matter what Tucker wanted to say, you know, 10 years after this, 15 years after this, no, this was something different. These members, this was something different.

[Stormy Waters]

Where's my ancient Greek history bros right now? Because I'm pretty sure this is exactly what all the Greek city states had to do. They had to take a break from killing each other when Xerxes showed up. Go ahead, Pete. Sorry.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, I was going to say. When obviously when you look at this, you realize that this is a movement that the people who they were going against realized had power, had money behind it, had influence behind it. And then you, you, well, what's one way to just put a bullet in this? We've been attacked, we have to go to war. If you don't all come together now, well, you're, I guess you're anti American, I guess you're on the, I guess you're on the side of the Japanese or you're on the side, you're on the side of the Germans. And well, well, you know, or they could have said you're on the side of the Soviets, but no, they took the side of the Soviets, but no, had to start. Not only you had to start a two theater war, you just have two wars going on just to stop this and just to shut them up. And then after the war, what do you have? You have the greatest propaganda campaign of all time which basically makes these men criminals, monsters. Yep.

[Stormy Waters]

Like if you think that these men were anything like that, they, how they were portrayed, just monster capitalists that only cared about money. You don't know anything about money. I'm not saying that I do, but. I have led a rather charmed life so far. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow. So I'm going to add that caveat in there and I wouldn't be angry if I did. But one thing I have been able to observe both a change in myself as I became more successful and also from observing those who had more success than one person could, could possibly ask God for and not feel like they were sinning. Those people, people that have money that can't be spent. Right. If you have, let's say $50 billion.

[Tyler Redick]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

At a reasonable, reasonable rate of return. This is what lefties don't understand about money is how interest works. And so let's say we have $50 billion.

[Unidentified Historian]

One, two, three,

[Stormy Waters]

five million. One, two, three, 5 billion. Times.112-3-1, 2. So if you have 50 billion, let's say the first year, you act like an absolute maniac. You don't just buy one jet, you buy 350 million a population, sometimes more, depending. They start at 150. And you buy not one house, but you buy five. One in every place you like going. Right. One for every season, plus a bonus one, maybe. And, and you, you buy palatial estates, say 30 to 50 million. Right? So what is that? I'm up to three, four and a half. So 450 million plus another hundred million in five houses. So I'm at like 550 million. What else, Pete, what else do we need to buy? What could you possibly think of? Maybe a yacht? A mega yacht? You want mega yacht? Okay, let's say, yeah, I don't like boats all that much.

[Pete Quinones]

I'm.

[Stormy Waters]

I'm a very bad wasp. I don't. I don't go sailing. I don't know how to sail, and I'm terrible at golf. So, like, all of my WASP credentials, like, it's a good thing. I'm very well read and I speak well because all of my. All of my other WASP credentials, like, it's pretty rough. So you buy another. You buy a mega boat. 150 million, which I think is roughly what Bezos spent on a. No, he spent 200 million. Let's just say 200 million. It. We're only 750 million in. We haven't even cracked our first billion yet. Billion. Haven't even cracked a billion dollars yet. So that $50 billion that earns an interest every year at a reasonable rate of return, 10%. Right? Probably. I mean, honestly, ultra low risk probably do pull 5%, but you're going to have to pull 10 now because you're losing 5 to inflation. Sorry, buts. That's 500 million a year. So the crazy spending spree that we just talked about, you would have to do that every year. You can't. You couldn't. It would take you, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks just to pick out the different leathers on one of the planes, let alone three, right? You're like three months in, just inspecting

[Unidentified Historian]

jets,

[Stormy Waters]

Not even including the, you know, the homes. Then the boat. Got the boat. Every single thing. Thank you. You know, you see and. Or touch on a boat, you get to pick, like, you couldn't spend the money fast enough. So you are earning more money than it is humanly possible to spend. And you're not even touching the principle, right? So that 50 million or 50 billion is never getting spent. And if you spent, it would take every day of your life to do nothing but try and figure out new ways, creative ways to spend money. And you still wouldn't even be able to burn through half a billion a year. Good God. So these people. To think that these people care about money. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing.

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[Stormy Waters]

Do things for money, even talk about money.

[Pete Quinones]

Any.

[Stormy Waters]

There's a. There's a good rule. My dad taught it to me and hopefully, God willing, I will teach it to my son because it served me very well in life. Anybody that talks about money doesn't fucking have any. So to think that any of these men did anything because of money to make more money, you simply don't understand wealth. What motivates these men? If I could think of any remotely tangential or sorry, tangential motivator that had anything to do with money would be capital preservation. You could probably get these guys to do stuff to protect what they already have. But if you think they're going to do, you know, political machinations that could end them up and end them in jail or hurt their legacy, tarnish their reputation. These men valued reputation and standing far more than they valued money, and so would you. I know it sounds ridiculous. It sounds ridiculous to you, but if you're the guy that is in that hypothetical situation that I had to fucking pull out my calculator for because I'm retarded, if you're that guy, he doesn't care about money. He probably cares a hell of a lot more about what people think of him, how he's perceived than some investment or a chance to make more money than what he can't spend. So when you look at these guys like Elon Andreessen Thiel, you think money motivates them, you're nuts. You don't understand money. Granted, I wish that they would take a page out of the book of the great men that came before them, because now all they are is just nerds with money. That makes me sad. You know, Elon wants to go to Mars because he wants to go to Mars, not because he wants humanity to be a space faring nation, right? Or America, you know, to dominate Mars as our next. Like he, that is tertiary. Maybe he wants to go to space because Elon Musk wants to go to space. So the one thing that I wish that our rich nerds would look back in time and see, and I understand why they haven't. Because the history of these men, what these men were really like, has been hidden. The only reason I know about it is because these are family stories, right? Like Pete, you know a bit about me in my private life. Like, this is relevant to me and that's why I know it. So I, I can't get angry at anybody for not knowing what these men were actually like when everything that's written about them is a lie. But now that we're starting to clear up the record, right, Looking back with clear eyes and sound judgment and a level of discernment that we did not previously have until certain ethnocentric machinations were revealed to us. However, I mean, we each got here different ways. But now that we have, we need to hold our elite to a higher standard. Because if you have $50 billion, it's not about you anymore. Right back to that four letter word that is the founding, the central pillar of our society, right? We live in the house built for us by better men. We just live here. We didn't build it, they did. We just get to hang out in it and stop people from tearing it down. But when we compare ourselves to them, these men, our elites don't stack up that great. Our rich men are just rich men. And that's sad. So I hope that they familiarize themselves with these great men who've been slandered to just an insane degree. And how much they've been slandered should tell you a lot about how great they were. I don't want Musk to build a public library in every town like Andrew Carnegie did. I don't want Peter thiel to

[Pete Quinones]

build

[Stormy Waters]

2500 churches in every city in America, because that's already been done. But I want them to look, Sorry, I suck at swallowing today. I want them to look at these men for inspiration, to do something different. I mean, dare I say, better. It'll be hard to do, you know, one up these guys, but it's a worthy pursuit. And I bet you America in the state it is now, if you look at how it's embraced Donald Trump, we are desperate. Like desperate doesn't, like almost isn't like a strong Enough word. But we are desperate for nobility. And if you look back in the time that this was happening, America loved these men, right? You can be a rich nerd, cool, like nobody knows you. This is why you're scared of dying. You're throwing millions and millions and millions of dollars into biotech research to squeeze days and days more life because you're scared of dying. You know, you're going to be remembered and loved. Like, for What? Like it's 200 years almost, and we're still talking about 100 years and we're still talking about these men. We'll be talking about them for another 100 more. Like you're immortal. You don't have to be like that guy who's like sticking his dick in a freezer, right? Whatever his name is something Johnson. A fitting, a fitting name, right, For a guy trying to reverse his age, hubris, the pride. But really all it is is just he's scared of dying, Probably because he's gonna have to meet God. And when that happens, he's gonna have to tell him what he did with the most precious gift that he was given. And he won't have much to say.

[Pete Quinones]

This is the. This is part of the reason and a lot of the reason, I would say, probably if you really want to look back on it, the majority of the reason that you're not allowed to live historically anymore, that you, you're not allowed to. I mean, if you're not allowed to, if you're dissuaded, if you're told it's wrong to look upon your ancestors and have pride in them and know and celebrate their accomplishments, how much less the accomplishments of people you know, you don't know. So it's just. It's just another mechanism for destroying our civilization and destroying what came before us, making us believe that everything that happened back at this time, oh, this was such a terrible time to live. There were these people who. All they wanted to do was get rich. And they would do, they would do anything to, to gain. To gain wealth and gain power. And then when you look and you find out that they saw what was coming down the line, they saw the takeover by a foreign entity and they tried to do everything they could to stop it. And it was only because of a soldier who killed Haitians and actually in the field, serves his country well, from everything I've read. But when it came down to it, he was a fucking commie and he sided with the commies.

[Stormy Waters]

You know what's funny is that a rare bit of justice was served. He lived to regret it. He lived to see it. The thing that Smedley Butler was so desperately afraid of was World War I happening again. And the very men that he betrayed to FDR were trying to stop the thing that he was so afraid of. And he sacrificed all those men, right? What happened to Father Coughlin? What happened to Henry Ford? Right? These men were killed. Right? Just like the guy freezing his dick off right now. He's scared of dying because he doesn't have a legacy. Right. He's never going to have immortality. So they killed these men's memories off, which I think is far worse.

[Pete Quinones]

And Huey Long is Huey Long. They killed. Yeah, they assassinated a. A tribesman. A tribesman assassinated him.

[Stormy Waters]

There is a. Without doxing myself, I think I've told you this, Pete, but there is a very widely shared suspicion and rumor in my family that a similar man with a similar time and a similar mission was also killed. There was a lot of killing. I think that was done in the lead up to World War II to make it happen. I think it's no different than what we saw in the 60s, right. If these people are willing to kill to keep that little place, we have to assume that they were willing to kill to get it. And Smedley Butler got to live long enough to try and give speeches against FDR once. The man did what he. Because remember like FDR was campaigning on. Not take. Just like Wilson campaigning on. What was Wilson's campaign speech? I will not be sending our board or his campaign slogan like, well, I won't be sending our boys off to some war. Right? His, his re election thing was Wilson, he kept us out of war for his first term. But what he didn't tell everybody is that he was already planning on getting us into it. He just needed his second term and that's what FDR did. So the man that Smedley Butler saved, right, and betrayed men that trusted him, he saved because he bought that FDR actually wanted to keep us out of war. And less than two years after he did it, after he betrayed all these men, he lived to see that they were right and that he was wrong. So I don't know what Smedley Butler's death was like, but I can't imagine it was good. Because I believe like at the point that you're dying, right, as. As that's happening, kind of the, the veil thins between our world and theirs. And from what I've heard, from what I've read in the accounts, that how a man like you know, if a man lives a certain way when he dies, you know his flesh will be, will begin to be clawed at before he actually passes. This is why some men die screaming. And if you live a different way, that doesn't happen to you. In fact, the opposite happens to you. There are those that die smiling and calm and happy, Content. And I don't think he was content when he died because hey, it is Ryan Seacrest here.

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[Stormy Waters]

21 plus hundreds of thousands of American boys were being turned into mulch because of him. America would never be the same again. It would be, I don't know, trying to think of a better word than, you know, like the body snatchers. But that's what happened. All because of him. And it was pride. If you read and encourage everyone to. After Smedley Butler gave his testimony to the Senate, He, he did a public announcement, kind of like Roosevelt's Fireside chat. The TV and the radio is just

[Tyler Redick]

like a thing

[Stormy Waters]

and it's recorded, it's really good. At least the recording quality is really good. And you basically see this man so proud of himself for what he did. And like you could just, you could just see this man. This, he was smug. Like I did this because I'm a great American and da da, da, da, da da. It just smacks of pride. It's, it's really kind of painful to watch. And anyways, he thought that it was his, you know, he was saving the country by turning in these traitors. It was like, you know, it all hinged on him. It turns out he was the one that handed the country over to monsters. The monsters that these men were terrified of enough to where they would reach out to their sworn enemies and their sworn enemies would reach out to them and they would come together to try and fight it. And he was too stupid to ever think because before he did turn them in, he, before he did go public, he did spend probably the last six months before he brought the, like, he even brought in like a journalist front to document it, you know, these meetings because he needed an extra credibility. He thought nobody was going to believe him. He was literally planning like his book tour. Basically he brought a writer along with him to document, you know, his detective work in finding out who all of these people were, you know, he literally thought he was, you know, James Bond hadn't been invented yet. But anyways, that's the guy. And so many of our, I wouldn't say our guys entirely, but I do see it occasionally glorify this man. They all go around talking about, you know, war is a racket. No, war is a diversion. In this instance, right? Smedley Butler didn't see the racket. He was the useful idiot. So I don't want a man with that just deficit of judgment to tell me what is a racket and what is not because he clearly can't see one when one is staring him in the face. So I don't think Smedley Butler is qualified to tell any of us anything except, I guess, how to blindly betray your country and sentence the nation's progeny for three generations to vampirism. Because that's what happened after, after these guys were gone, nobody, no rich men built any more churches. No one built public libraries anymore. The I. The whole concept of a public library didn't exist. Like there were university libraries that sometimes people, regular people could go to. But the idea of a library, like a building just full of books for you and your small town in Minnesota, just for you. Why? Because you're an American. That's why you deserve unlimited knowledge. We want you to have every book there is to have. And if it doesn't have it, tell the lady at the counter and she'll get it for you in a week. Like that didn't exist anywhere. And it never existed again thanks to him. Because no rich men after this ever did anything like it. Because the type of men that were allowed to be rich were different. They sure as fuck weren't great.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, you know, it's also when you, even if you do have the idea to do something, knowing what's going to rain down upon you.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, yeah. What's your incentive to be great now? Holy hell coming down on you like that. Like that's American policy now. We tear down those that are great because their greatness exposes the weakness of everybody else. So they must be destroyed. And we need. So Pete, you. You know that I have like a. A friend that was a. Was a, you know, political person, a long time, you know, person in Congress was a vehement anti. Trumper. Yep, I am.

[Pete Quinones]

Yep. I know exactly you're talking about.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

And do you want to know why he. I already told you why that this man went from the most vehement anti. Trumper. He has quite a Platform to the. I would probably say no man in D.C. believes in Donald Trump. Like this man. And this man has known politics since he was like 12. He was involved in, like, literally involved in, like, you know, staying at, staying at the ymca.

[Pete Quinones]

Everyone would know this person. Everyone would know this person's name even if you weren't alive when he was, you know, in a very prominent position. Yeah. This person

[Stormy Waters]

said when asked by other people of like, you know, similar stature why how he could possibly support Donald Trump. And when we're talking about holy hell raining down on you, you could say whatever you want about Donald Trump. But this guy said, I've studied. I've studied and been a part of politics and American politics all of my life, and I've never seen any presidential candidate, any president do what Donald Trump has done. He said it's like something out of a history book. Yeah. Donald Trump, after his first term, could have. And this is why this guy didn't. Wasn't a big supporter of him until, I would probably say the law fair started right when all the court cases, the felony started just raining down on Donald Trump. That's when this guy had his conversion. Because he said that every single president of his lifetime, he could pretty much kind of guess all of his act. Like, all basically how they would act in any given situation, any adversarial situation. He said, I never guessed what Donald Trump did. Like, Donald Trump could be. He could spend the rest of his

[Pete Quinones]

days

[Stormy Waters]

out on one of the many beaches he probably owns outside of Mar a Lago, which is on the. Which is on the beach. Or he could be playing golf at any one of the resorts that he owns, right, that bear his name. He could be in beautiful castles, stunning beach resorts, being served on hand and foot, surrounded by his big, gorgeous family, right? His beautiful wife, like, Melania's hot. His gorgeous kids, right? All of his sons are fucking studs. His daughter's hot, like, just cranking out even more handsome grandchildren. Just a man at the pinnacle of success, surrounded by loved ones all the time. And not only is he risking all of that as he put all of

[Unidentified Historian]

that on the line,

[Stormy Waters]

but not just him, because not only will Donald Trump be destroyed and everything stripped away from him, this political guy knows it, I know it. Pete knows it. You know it. That they'll destroy his kids, too. They'll probably destroy his grandkids. They may not throw them in jail like they would him, but they will strip away every single bit of inheritance they would have gotten, every dollar, all the legacy. And I Can't even imagine what Donald Trump's kids would be like if he lost, like, what their life would be like. Because it's not just like, not being. Being rich anymore, because that. That wouldn't be it. It would be worse than that. The regime is sadistic. The regime hates. Like, we hate the regime, but that's. The regime started that. We didn't start that. You know, they hit first, but they hate. The regime hates nothing more than it hates Donald Trump. It would destroy his kids, his grandkids, and this man is willing to put it all on the line. Not for any reward, right? Like, Donald Trump's life doesn't get better. He spends the last couple years basically working for shitty pay, not fucking golfing in resorts or, like, chilling on some fucking beach. The White House is shitty inside. Anyone who's been inside, it's an old building. It fucking smells like it. It's gross. Because he believes that he can make America better. That's why he believes it. Whether you say, like, oh, like, you know, he's. He's compromising this way or that way, whatever, like, that's your opinion, right? In certain parts, I'd probably agree with you. But he believes that he can make the country better. And he is willing to risk everything in his life and his children's life, his entire legacy, that immortality that we were talking about. Yeah, that's gone. They will. They will destroy him worse than they destroyed any of the men that I mentioned. And that's what made this man a convert. He's the. He's the most vehement Trumper I've ever met. More than me. Because he knows history more than me. He knows political history more than me. That's why. And if Donald Trump can do it, you know, this kind of, you know, rough around the edges, you know, not exact. It's a good thing Donald Trump own, you know, built and owns a lot of country clubs, because he wouldn't get invited to many.

[Unidentified Historian]

All right?

[Stormy Waters]

He's from Queens. He's kind of boorish, at least from the standing of people that run country clubs. So if he can do it, if he's willing to be like this, I think Elon is just starting to get there. But every single one of those men, the men that we talked about, they would do what Donald Trump did in a heartbeat. And most of them did. And they were just businessmen. They were just rich guys. So if you're a man of means, it's your duty to do what Donald Trump did, right? Just like every single one of these, there was a listener that Pete. Pete, Pete told me about. And I'll close this off on, on him. Even though he went to a prep school, that was the, the school he went to should make him my. My sworn enemy because his school was the sworn enemy of mine. We had men that would be like Mike Frederick T. Davison or F. Truby Davison, depending, right? We can talk about like American aristocracy. This guy was one of them. He's a Yale guy. I won't hold that against him, right? Skull and Bones kid. Like probably the most privileged of privileged classes and even, you know, even as a kid. And he wouldn't have been able to do this unless his parents didn't think it was his duty. So Davison was the founder of the Yale. The first Yale unit or first Yale Air unit. So when I mentioned that those young men in the previous episode that had everything, right, Not a. The world was their oyster, What did they do when America got into conflict? And what did their. What did their fathers do is their fathers were too old to fight when World War II or World War I came around. And now every single one of us would not let our children anywhere near recruitment office. But this was different times and these were different men. So Davison was the founder of that air club that I talked about, right? America's first air force was young men from Yale in their personal planes,

[Unidentified Historian]

right?

[Stormy Waters]

And most of them didn't come back. Luckily for us, Truby did come back, but I bet most of his friends didn't. So we had elites that made sure that their sons not only served but served in combat led men, right? So these great men were willing to risk their legacy, right? Their offspring. It doesn't say, but I'm pretty sure Troopy was probably the eldest son because he, you know, usually when young men go by their first initial and their middle name, usually it's because somebody else in the family is also named that, right? Like Jack is just short for John and John J.P. morgan was. His dad was Pierpont, so he didn't want to go by John Pierpont. He's won by J.P. i imagine Mr. Davison, it probably, it probably worried him sick sending his boys to war, especially something as risky as a airplane back in those days. But I bet you he didn't think twice about it. Just as like an early 20s Truby Davison didn't think twice about taking his plane and his friends, right? Most of the first Yale air unit was comprised of young men that were in Skull and Bones. Or scroll and Key, which is a similar organization at a different school, Right? Like these men could have done whatever they wanted. And what they wanted to do was their duty. And that's what their parents, their fathers wanted. It was more important that their sons did their duty than their sons stayed alive. Because most of those men, right, the Raskins, the Smiths, the Duponts, they knew that some of their boys were not coming back and they did it anyways. Now our elites, our elites send other people's kids to die. So I just hope some of our elites, now, the elites that have.

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[Stormy Waters]

Realize what time it is

[Unidentified Historian]

that they

[Stormy Waters]

hold themselves to the standard of not even just guys like Truby or guys like Raskin, Dupont or Carnegie or Morgan or Rockefeller, like those are big mega shoes. But to hold themselves under the same standards Donald Trump is doing right now, like a real estate developer from Queens is making every rich guy look like a coward.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, you know, you would hope that those people are out there and that they're. They're thinking about it and they're making plays. I guess we shall see. Because one of the points of the old Glory club is to identify and raise up elites. And it all starts with elite thinking. Yes. And that's what a lot of people don't get is you don't have have to think like you've been taught. You don't have to think like the cog that school. You know, I was lucky enough to go to prep school, you know, to start my. To start my secondary education in a pretty prestigious prep school. And it gave me an attitude. It basically gave me. It gave me an. It hasn't always been the best attitude.

[Stormy Waters]

Talking about.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, but I've been able to reel it in. And most people just don't get that. You're not getting that in a classroom full of, you know, my classrooms were 15. Were 10, 15 people. You're not getting that in a classroom full of 40 and 50 people. And the teacher. You look at the teacher and you're like, shit, I'm smarter than that person. I'm assuming a lot of people who are listening to this did the same thing as me in school, especially in high school, definitely in college. Oh, wow. I'm smarter than this person. This person's a moron. And, yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that kind of attitude.

[Stormy Waters]

No, I bet you the attitude that you're talking about specifically was that the rules don't apply to you. The rules apply to other people. Right. You know, the. The people dumb enough to follow them. Like, the people don't have to color. Color, you know, within the lines. Like, okay. But yeah, we. The one thing we're really good at, I would say, as a thing, I guess, is memeing things into existence. All right, like, we are set. I mentioned this on Jason's podcast. Everybody should go listen to Jason Marachuk's podcast. He's got guys much better than me on it, like Dark Enlightenment. He's just a brilliant resource. But I mentioned it on his podcast that even though we don't realize it, we're too dumb to realize it. We've been losing so long, we don't even see we're winning. We're driving the cultural zeitgeist,

[Pete Quinones]

and if

[Stormy Waters]

you don't see that, you're foolish. Right? The culture is coming to us. I could probably waste another hour and a half of Pete's evening giving you examples of doing that or how it's doing that, but I think you can already think of some yourself. So if we're setting the cultural tempo, if we're setting the narrative that the other side testified against, and we're really good at memeing things into existence, we need to meme. We need to propagate, and we need to carry ourselves accordingly. We need to bring back duty. And there is a very unhealthy attitude that because the system hates me, I hate it, and I have no duty to it. That's wrong way to think about it. The system, this nation. And I may disagree with DE on this, right? But that's my flag. When I look in dc, I see my buildings. When I look at this country, I see mine. My country, the people that are in it. Mine. These are my people. And just like the people that worked for guys like Jack Morgan, if you're listening to this, you have a duty to Them. Because they're your people. Right? You, like Pete mentioned, probably smarter than everybody in class, probably smarter than the person teaching you. In a better time, you would have ended up in a better place. But we don't ask for better times and we don't ask for easier jobs. We don't ask for, you know, an easier go at it. So these are your people. The institutions are your institutions. The buildings that they occupy are yours. Just because some guests have long overstayed their welcome doesn't make the guest house no longer your house. Right. The people in your house are yours and your responsibility. Whether it's the people in North Carolina, whether it's the people that are less fortunate in your community, you need to act accordingly. Right? Aristocracy isn't about thinking you're better. It's about making people that are your responsibility better. Give them the ability. For self actualization to be the best that they can be with the gifts that God gave them. That's your job. If anybody tries to hurt them or take away their ability for that actualization, it's your responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen. We need to be shepherds, not edge lords. We're better than these people. Not because we think we're better. Others will think we're better because that's because they're going to be watching what we do. Like we're just going to be better because we are better. And I, I think we need to, I think we're in that stage of the game that we need to start taking ourselves quite a bit more seriously than we do now. How we act in our communities, how we act in our day to day lives. Because very soon, I mean, if you understand Roger's theorem, it's how social networks work, it's how technology works. It's originally used to model the propagation of technology. It's very important to technological or for, to tech entrepreneurs. Every tech guy or any founder at least knows what I'm talking about. Elon knows what I'm talking about. I guarantee it. Right? Because as you're planning your tech company out, it's very important that you understand about how quickly those ideas, right? Your new way of doing things, your new piece of technology propagates throughout society like somebody's come up with a new solution that saves a bunch of time. Okay, well how long does it take for the rest of the population to understand that this new solution is the better way of doing things? This platform, whatever it is that you built, right? How fast those ideas travel will give you an idea of how much capital you need to outlay, how much needs to be spent into growing the platform, how much needs to be spent in bringing on new, you know, new team members. What are you going to need? Rogers Theorem is important. It turns out it's applicable to not just technology, but ideas. It's a very good way to model how fast ideas propagate through society. And the magic number of the point of no return, I guess, before the curve becomes parabolic, before the system becomes non linear, I guess is I may have to do some house cleaning. It's late. I haven't eaten since yesterday. But I think it's like 13%, 13 and a half, something like that. And I'm sure everybody listening would agree. Pete, do you think that 13% of the population knows what we know?

[Pete Quinones]

I think it's got. I think especially over the last year, if it's not 13, it's damn close.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, I would actually think it's more, to be honest with you, because Twitter is just whatever. Whatever the conversation is on Twitter is the conversation in normally land six months later. Okay, so hypothetically, we're past 13%. That means the knowledge that we have the idea, the way we view the world is eventually.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

Not hypothetically, not possibly is going to be the idea that everyone has the thinking, right? The realization. Right? So our worldview becoming the dominant worldview is a fait accompli.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

The idea is out of the barn. It's coming. So that means whether it's a year, whether it's five years or 10 years, People are going to need men like you to be men like we had a long time ago. Right? Because if the rest of the country is coming to where we are, right, if you have a whole bunch of people coming to a party at your house, they haven't arrived yet. I think you probably should get dressed, right? Have the table set, you know, get to looking like the man of the house.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, I think that's. Let's just end it right there.

[Stormy Waters]

I think that's the spot.

[Pete Quinones]

Yep.

[Stormy Waters]

Till next time.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, until next time, man. Thank you very much. And yeah, hold on. Don't go anywhere because we're probably going to talk for another hour without recording. Probably. Thanks, man. I want to welcome everyone back to the. We don't even need to do introductions for this guy. What's going on, Stormy? How are you doing?

[Stormy Waters]

How's it going, Pete? Happy to. Happy to be back.

[Pete Quinones]

Good, man. Let's. I think this will finish it. Talking about the. The robber barons of old and I Think this is the one everybody's waiting for. We're going to start getting into the specifics of America First.

[Stormy Waters]

The real America First.

[Pete Quinones]

The real America First. And. And what did people actually believe back then? And we're not even talking about them. We're talking about what are the common person on the street believe. So where do you want to start?

[Stormy Waters]

Let's start with the America First Committee. The America First Committee is a really, really interesting thing because we talked before on previous episodes about the American Liberty League and the men that made that up. And those men didn't go away. And, you know, we discussed at the end what it took to stop those men because it really was the most powerful men in the country trying to frankly, save the country. And to give you an idea, at the time that the America First Committee was formed, it really only had four policy planks. I'll get into those in a second. But the overarching narrative was to keep America out of any United States military intervention in Europe because there was no military action happening anywhere else in the world. The Pacific hadn't kicked off yet. And it was announced on the day that Lend Lease started because Roosevelt campaigned just as Woodrow Wilson campaigned. And these men, that fact was not lost on these men. You campaigning on keeping us out of war means nothing because less than 20 years ago, well, within the professional lifetimes of these men, how long does a man usually have in a career? 30 years. So most of these men were roughly in the same positions as they were in World War I. And they remember 30 years ago, Woodrow Wilson campaigned on vehement anti interventionism. And literally his only campaign slogan was Wilson kept us out of war. And one of the most famous speeches that FDR gave on the campaign trail was that he no American young man is going to go off to some foreign land and die in some foreign conflict. The only way that that would happen is over his dead body. If only that were true. Because unbeknownst to most of America, but not unbeknownst to people in elite circles and the halls of power, is that Roosevelt was not only planning on intervening in Europe, but had been since the midway through his first administration. So like the man, literally, I mean, from the very beginning, Woodrow Wilson was an idiot, right? Woodrow Wilson didn't run Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson was a lot like in his second term, he was a lot like Joe Biden. And I mean, really, we don't have TV cameras, but we didn't have TV cameras back then.

[Pete Quinones]

But you can imagine well known that his wife was doing A lot of the same things that Joe Biden's wife was doing and that Colonel House was just basically running the show.

[Stormy Waters]

100%. Who did Colonel House work for?

[Pete Quinones]

I think he worked for the City of London. Yeah, our Baruch worked for the City of London.

[Stormy Waters]

So yes, correct. That is 100% correct. Literally just like we see today. It's no different. It's the same interest groups doing the exact same things. I caught your interview with Tom Luongo last night and I agree with almost everything he says what he knows about motivators in the financial world, what he doesn't know is that they're roughly paralleled, or at least his views are paralleled in the private defense industries.

[Pete Quinones]

And

[Stormy Waters]

we'll say it's generally called risk capital, but it's not really like, I mean VC is risk. And yes, we all know now, I mean some of you guys that have followed me for on Twitter for a couple years, I'm suspended right now for being a bad boy. I got a 12 hour this morning for something like I posted like a week ago. Somebody was talking about like inheritance tax. Basically the persecutive inheritance tax that England is trying to throw down on on its farmers. Some communist was like yeah, well my guy, this will increase production. You know, how can you not think it's going to increase production, my guy? And I think I said something like how about I cave your head and with a rock will that increase production? My guy,

[Pete Quinones]

it'll make the world a better place.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh God. Communist brain splattering. It definitely increases production and it sure as shit increases motivation. Like it's a motivated workforce, but it's the same people again for roughly the same reasons. What happened in 19, the reason that we had 1929 is because in 1929 there's a. For those that don't know, there was how to have fun anytime, anywhere.

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and conditions apply A cataclysmic financial crash, right? Like massive. That was global. It was the very first global. I Can't even call it market crash because it was an entire economic crash. It wasn't just like the stock market. It affected all aspects of sociopolitical economy, right? Like, you know, from. It was Wall street and Main street and it went all the way around the world really fast. Because at that point in time, the reserve currency or the currency of trade was the pound sterling. And In World War I, we lent our banks, lent the Brits a tremendous amount of money at the behest and guarantee of Woodrow Wilson and his administration. Nobody, everyone says the bankers pushed them into. Some bankers, yes, but US Bankers, not so much, because at the time, like, Germany was kicking people's asses. So once the Rothschilds were tapped out and they had to go to America for capital, like, they're good and, well, getting their ass beat. So who the fuck wants to lend to a. Would you lend a bunch of money to the Ukrainian government right now? No, no, not at all. The only way that, like JP Morgan is extending a huge line of credit is if, you know, the. Go like the, you know, pharmaceutically animated corpse of Joe Biden, you know, holds a gun to his head. That's the only way that's happening because it's just happening no other way. So obviously, the Brits did not pull out of World War I, okay? And the reparations money that they tried to get from, from Germany couldn't come in fast enough to cover the interest on all the sovereign debt. And the pound blew up and England defaulted, and a lot of our banks defaulted because basically the Brits just stiffed everybody. And you had the great crash of 1929, which basically ended the American golden age. So it was actually the sins of World War I coming home to roost that ended America's golden age. Everyone says, oh, the stock market was just unrealistically high. It kept on going up and up and up. As Marc Andreessen on Joe Rogan or any other one of his appearances will tell you, yeah, innovation does that. Innovation creates value out of nothing. Sorry, libertarians and Austrians, an economy is not a thing that lives in a vacuum. And for it to exist in a vacuum, which it does have to under the tenets of really either Keynesian or Austrian economics, the only room inside this vacuum bubble

[Pete Quinones]

is

[Stormy Waters]

for buyers and sellers making entirely rational decisions for the purpose of getting, A, the highest price and B, the most value, depending on what side of the transaction you're on. And these are the only people that are allowed inside this vacuum. And that's not real. Do we think that. What do you think, Pete? What would you say influences oil markets today more? The rational decisions of buyers and sellers going about price discovery in a free market or the geostrategic needs of Vladimir Putin?

[Pete Quinones]

Well, I would assume the geostrategic needs of Vladimir Putin. But then you look at the price of oil in the last six months to a year and you're like, why has it stayed pegged somewhere?

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, pegged, right. That's a choice word in the beginning of the Ukraine war. Not to take a tangent, but for those of you that don't remember Janet Yellen, you know what I mean, like, went on tour, like, you know, when they don't really let that troll on TV much. For good reason. For good reason. She is horrific. She's a horrific human being. And that's just not. That's not because any ethnic animosity I may have, or my preference to Anglo Saxon Ubermensch and old stock American Jerome Powell, but just because she is very dumb. Her PhD thesis, she's an academic and has never actually worked in the real world was on labor theory of economics. Labor theory of economics is also known as literal Marxism. Not like the pretend Jane was Lindsay kind of, or the pretend boomer con kind, but actual kind. Her husband is the world's foremost Marxist economist. If such a fucking ludicrous thing could exist out of Berkeley, I believe, or Stanford, I can't remember which. But she tried to impose a $80 oil price cap to stick it to Putin and the Europeans. Like, yeah, it's a good idea. We're going to do a price cap. And then people in the market were like, this is a terrible idea. This is really, really dumb. You should never, ever, ever talk about this again and never talk in public again. And just kind of disappeared. But yet we have. What is Russia? Russia is like what, 18% of global production? No, I think it's more than about.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

It's got to be more than that.

[Tyler Redick]

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[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, I'm thinking like oil. And we'd have to include NAT Gas. Right. But yeah, it's. It's massive. It's at least 20% of the market percentage. Sorry, guys, for banging on my keyboard. Wow,

[Pete Quinones]

are you getting 12% of global oil?

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, 12% of global oil. 21% of global energy.

[Pete Quinones]

Okay. Yeah. That's incredible. Well, that's another reason why the United States can put sanctions on them, even blow up their pipeline, and they're still fine. I mean, the rubles. The ruble's crashing now. And people think that that's like oh, we're taking him out. How many times we have crashes here. Come on, stop it.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, like the ruble crash. I mean it was bound to happen. Just like, you know, that's like, everyone's like, oh, bitcoin's crashing. Now as it goes from like 100 to 90, they forget the up from 8,000 part, which was like five years ago. Yeah, but you know, oil makes up 45% of the Russian, Russian federal budget. So oil revenues. So they thought that they could, you know, do this, but. So we're going to sanction the largest oil, one of the largest single oil producers in the world. And one of the largest single oil producers in the world is currently at war with its neighbor. And the pipeline infrastructure runs through that neighbor. But yet oil doesn't move. And then what happens next is last year we have war in the Middle east where I don't know, I'd say 50% of global energy comes from. So that's sum total of what we're at. 70% of global energy production in those two areas.

[Pete Quinones]

And only because we haven't opened it up here.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes, but 70% of the world's oil market is technically on fire, right?

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

And they're blowing up pipelines and they are, you know, downing oil tankers with drones. So we haven't seen oil move past 70. This defies all credibility like this. It. Yeah, the oil market is, is rigged. But rigging something is expensive. It's really expensive and it's a good microcosm for what?

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[Stormy Waters]

one thing Luongo talks about with the Eurodollar system is he doesn't talk about what it does and why it's so pernicious, which I think is very important. So basically what the Europeans, and this is why I'm actually not upset that their pipeline got blown up. Fuck them. You don't get America paying for your entire national defense and you go buy oil from someone else. Buying our energy is the least they should be doing. I'm sorry Euro bros, but it's true. You can't even contribute 2% of your GDP. In fact, for a large portion of the history, less than 1%. And at the same Time. You're basically expecting us to foot the bill for the largest single line item budget item on the federal government and it should be the largest single line item on any government. You expect us to pay for that and then you also want to just buy oil from the person that we are paying to defend you from. Like it wasn't for us. Like Russia could just take you.

[Pete Quinones]

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[Stormy Waters]

I, I am, I know it's an unpopular take, but when you put it next to the fact that yes, America blew up the pipeline or the Brits actually blew up the pipeline and America didn't really care that they did because them. So in the rare instance, I kind of agree with James, Joe Biden, Donald Trump and Victoria Newland, but yeah, America didn't blow up that pipeline. Sorry, bros, I, I know there's tons of Euro guys that'll tell you about how it had to be America and I'm sorry for the tangent, Pete, but the very first person, yeah, the very first person to announce the, the detonation of the Nordstream pipeline. Who is he? It was on Twitter, the Polish Secretary of Defense. Right. He posted a picture of the gas bubbling up from the sea floor and it said, thank you, America. What a odd thing to. Like, why would you say that? Why would you say that publicly? Like, okay, let's say America did do it and a defense minister of a NATO country takes to social media to rat out the United States to the world. What did we do to Julian Assange? What are we trying to do to Snowden? And you're gonna like fucking breathe oxygen in a sphere of US Control? Like, you shouldn't be drawing breath. I mean, there's. That made absolutely no sense to me, right? Like nobody that fucking airs out US secrets like that, especially secrets of US misdeeds, will continue to draw breath if the US has anything to say about it.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, you know, you can get away with doing stuff like, yeah, you know, you can get away with doing stuff like that if Joe Biden is president. It's the same way you can get away with invading another country, you know, basically knowing it's going to draw us into, into it if you know that the people. There's no one in charge.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes, possibly. I could totally agree with that. I could totally agree with that. But this Polish defense minister is a very interesting human being, besides being married to one. And Applebaum, I thought you'd like that. He is. And this will be breaking news on the Pete Quinona show, because I don't think I've Heard anybody else say this, at least in our spheres. So this Polish defense minister is a nobody, an absolute nobody. He's a poor, unimpressive, unacademically gifted, uncollegial sports gifted human being. A really mediocre person. But somehow this poor Polish nobody gets a full ride to Oxford. Strange, it gets stranger while at Oxford, his first year at Oxford, he gets invited to join the Bullingdon Club. Do you know what the Bullingdon Club is, Pete?

[Pete Quinones]

No, that I do not know.

[Stormy Waters]

The Bullingdon Club is like Skull and Bones. If it was somehow more secret and more exclusive because it is both of those things. I believe it's five members a year. So four years at any moment time there's 20 members and you have to be what you call it, your invitation has to basically be like chaired by one person or sponsored by one person and then agreed on by all every other member of every. Including not just the freshman class, but all the other members but the class of people. So it'd be like those other five guys, the other four guys are going to really be the determining factor of who the next person is going to

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[Stormy Waters]

in their grade year. Do you know who that person was that vouched and sponsored him? Because it's not something you can apply for. It's something that you have to be just picked.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

One young Boris Johnson. Who else was in the freshman year bowling club? Well, that would be one David Cameron, current Secretary of Defense or whatever their equivalent of Secretary of Defense is. I can't remember. There's one other one I can't remember. Some other famous politicrat in Britain was the third one. And magic number four was Lord Natty Rothschild. Natty Rothschild owns that other pipeline that went online the exact same day that Nord Stream blew up. Probably didn't. Nobody probably heard about it. It's a big pipeline, but I mean the news kind of gets drawn, you know, drowned out by, you know, a pipeline being exploded by a foreign actor and kind of takes all the air out of the room. But it runs from Norway to Poland. It's one of the umbrella companies of same group that does Genie Energy. You may have heard of Genie Energy.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, I think we talked about Genie Energy. It's a Rothschild. I think they're Golan Heights. I think they control the oil production on the Golan Heights.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes, yes. They tried to also propose South Stream. They also have Dick Cheney on the board. Interesting. And the late great Donnie Rumsfeld. They were a big deal in Iraq war days. But anyways they were trying to do Something called South Stream. So basically the US didn't go into Iraq for oil and it didn't go to Iraq for Israel. It went to Iraq for Israel and oil for Israel. There we go. All of the shitlibs at the time were correct. It was blood for oil, just not oil for us. US net oil imports decreased after the Iraq war. But a country that has no natural resources of any kind outside of human capital, but that is arguable, it is of arguable value, suddenly is the seventh largest energy exporter. Israel doesn't have any natural gas or oil under its ground. The Holy Land is not that holy when it comes to energy independence. But Iraqi Kurdistan right next door does. And that's who the dom was firing his missiles at. Remember when we invaded?

[Pete Quinones]

Yep.

[Stormy Waters]

He was supposedly mad at the Qataris, right? Or sorry, the. Was it Qatar?

[Pete Quinones]

Kuwaitis?

[Stormy Waters]

Kuwait. Kuwaitis, Kuwaitis. How come we didn't fire any of those missiles, Scud missiles into Kuwait? Was it really Kuwait that was stealing his oil? I don't know. But I know after he was thrown out of power, the country that he fired missiles at stole all his oil and now exports it. They have a thriving energy industry now, seventh largest in the world. Amazing. Completely non existent. Anyways, let's head back.

[Pete Quinones]

We're gonna have to get back to the 20s at some point.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, let's head on back. America First Committee. So speaking of skull and bones, it was founded at Yale Law School. One of the men that was a part of it, just to get you an idea of who made up these, these fine gentlemen, you had a young Gerald Ford and a one Potter Steward, future Supreme Court judge. And the main policy point was to keep America out of war in Europe. The founding of the America First Committee happened after the defeat largely on the continent of the other European powers. So the Battle of Britain, England getting its ass kicked in the air, had already been underway for two months at this point. Lend Lease had just been announced

[Pete Quinones]

and

[Stormy Waters]

everybody started to see the setup. Everybody tries to say that Charles Lindbergh was a Nazi sympathizer. I would say he's a Nazi respecter only because of having toured there and seen their capabilities as in the same way I respect Russia, I don't love Russia, I'm not sympathetic to Russia, but they have more nukes than we do and apparently as of last month they have new ways of delivering those missiles or sorry, those warheads. So I respect their military capability. And that's basically what Lindbergh. That was his opinion as well. But what about Stormy. But what about the pictures? The pictures of Mr. Charles Lindbergh with Hermann Guring. And he was awarded the. What is it? The Iron Cross. I can't remember the medal. Thomas. 777 somewhere is chimping at me. I'm sorry, Thomas.

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[Pete Quinones]

Keep going. I'll look it up.

[Stormy Waters]

But why was he in there? Why was he in Germany? Because he was living in Britain at the time. After his son was murdered. Suspiciously, his infant son. It's called a crime of the century.

[Pete Quinones]

Well,

[Stormy Waters]

he was in Germany at the behest of the State Department. Sorry, the War Department. And at the explicit invitation of the US Embassy in Germany for the purpose of gathering intelligence on Reich air power and aircraft production. Herman Guring is an aviator. Charles Lindbergh was the most famous aviator in the entire world. Times like 100, he was like Elvis. People got trampled. When he landed in Paris, there were so many people rushing the airfield, which is a pretty fucking wide open space. Not exactly crowded. And 20 people were still crushed to death, it's estimated. A really good book to read if you can get your hands on. Is hard to find. But here, let me pull it up. It is written by the Bubba Wallace

[Pete Quinones]

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The aide de camp of one of America's most famous ambassadors, former Governor of Ohio, Myron T. Herrick. The book is titled Myron T. Herrick, Friend of France an autobiographical biography. It was written after his death. I mean, this guy's uber famous. At the time the French actually put him on their currency, the five. I think it's like the five franc piece. I can't remember for many years a whole bunch of streets named after him, including the one that the US Embassy is on currently and a bunch of statues all over the place. Basically, he was the only ambassador that didn't run away. When the Germans in World War I were literally miles outside of Paris. It looked like everyone expected the Germans to be to capture Paris within a month. I Mean, the government had already made plans to evacuate and Mr. Herrick didn't feel like going anywhere. So he got a bunch of howitzers and some gatling guns and 100 Marines and turned the embassy into a fortress and was like, fuck you, I'm not going anywhere. And the French loved him for that. He was awarded the Legion of Honor or whatever. He was the guy that received Lindbergh in the landing of the super famous flight. So his account of what the public he was also Lindbergh's. It was the first that those two had met and he would later, Lindbergh would become the political protege of Myron. So if you want to know about Myron or so if you want to know about Lindbergh and his political worldview and where it came from, Myron is probably the place to start. But yeah, this was probably the biggest event to happen in Paris in 100 years as far as individuals coming to see a specific event that wasn't beheading or something like that. It was the biggest public spectacle and he was the most popular man in the world. Charles Lindbergh was.

[Pete Quinones]

So

[Stormy Waters]

Herman Guring like jumped out of his chair when the ambassador was like, I think I could probably get Mr. Charles Lindbergh to come over. Because at this point in time the Germans were not doing so bad in the battle of Britain and generally on the continent were viewed as unstoppable. So a very famous German fighter pilot gets a chance to show off all his new toys and the military might of a now strong Germany to the most famous pilot in the world. Of course. Absolutely. So what if the war Department, who cares if the Americans learn how strong we are or see how many planes we crank out? I get to hang out with like, I don't know if he was Guring's idol, but the excitement, like Guring, like it took him home, like showed him his house. He was super. The pictures of Guring and Lindbergh are very, very funny as far as like how excited and kid in the candy store Guring looks. It's pretty, it's pretty awesome. But he was awarded. What should we call it? Did you find the name of that medal?

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, it's the service cross of the German Eagle.

[Stormy Waters]

Okay.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

Nobody, including Lindbergh and everybody else at that dinner was expecting to get an award. Guring kind of surprised everybody and of course a bunch of pictures were taken. And a very hostile press took this, I believe, because his associations and his intimacies with Henry Ford, Edison and Myron Herrick. Myron Herrick is also a. Besides, like governor of Ohio. He was a big wig in Republican Party politics and is the primary reason. What is it? Calvin Coolidge was that trying to think. I think it was Calvin Coolidge. I can't believe I'm blanking on this, but was a big reason that the Republicans had won the White House prior to fdr. No Herbert Hoover. There we go. Jesus. Also the same man who gave FDR his start in politics and recounted often how it was the greatest mistake of his life. But he made the deal, which you'll find in that book, to give a position to a young Francis Delano Roosevelt at the. What was it? The Undersecretary of the Navy. He wasn't Secretary of the Navy. He was the guy right below it, second in charge of the Navy at the time of World War I. And in his memoirs, he says specifically he made. He was forced to make the deal to get Herbert Hoover in. At the caveat of appointing fdr, who a vehement Democrat at that point and a insane appointment for Republican administration to make. But he said that was the deal that he had to make with Mr. Bernard Baruch. He says, he says the. I can't remember what he.

[Pete Quinones]

What.

[Stormy Waters]

What words he used, but a lot of derogatory words that we probably shouldn't. Shouldn't say on YouTube if this is going on YouTube. But anyways, Mr. Myron was not a fan, but basically Lindbergh's associations had raised a lot of eyebrows of a certain group. And when that photo with Guring was taken the very next week, it was on the front page of the New York Times calling him a Nazi sympathizer, saying he was going there because he loved the Nazis so much. And that is the narrative to this day. And the entire time he was asked to go there by his country,

[Tyler Redick]

he

[Stormy Waters]

would later go on to serve his country several more times, except under far riskier circumstances. Also, while a majority of the country's media was decrying him as a traitor and a Nazi, neither of those allegations, the fact that they were coming from the halls of power and literally out of the mouth of the President of the United States of America. I was thinking about this the other day, right? If Joe Biden made a point to where he was every time he got on the radio or the television was talking about how much of a traitor in a scumbag Stormy Waters is. If all the newspapers in America were calling me a traitor and a scumbag, and this idiot president decides to stumble us into on purpose or in ignorance stumble us into war with Russia. A war that was easily avoidable and a war that 80% of the country by far more now, but let's just say 80% of the country, because that number is going to come back in a little bit. 80% of the country oppose, right? So a war that the American people don't want and a war that was a war of choice for a small, privileged, powerful group of people in the American government, the deep state, whatever you want, whatever term you want to use or through whatever lens you want to use, it is undeniable that the conflict we find ourselves in with the ancient Russian people and the country that is over a thousand years old is won entirely by choice. And a choice that was not made by the people that would end up fighting it. But let's just say that happened. And Joe Biden at the same time telling America and all the newspapers telling America that Stormy Waters is a traitor. Would I. Have. The, The commitment. My nation and what that nation is currently and what it once was, if I would have the peace and calmness of soul to basically not be moved by any of, any of the negative comments being made by the president or the media and I would serve my country in a war that I hated, in a war that I didn't support, and in a war that most of America didn't support, including the men fighting it. Would I, would I have the courage and temerity to do that? I don't know if I would, but he did. And that's the type of American you're taught to hate. Just type in Charles Lindbergh into YouTube or into your podcatcher of choice and you will see hundreds, literally hundreds of resentful little people that have never sacrificed anything in their life, known, no hardship suffered, none, telling us how much of a Nazi, how much of an anti Semite, how much of a horrible person this man is. And what's even funnier is that his service was secret. As in he would get no credit, no newspaper would ever report that Charles Lindbergh is in fact not a traitor. And in fact fighting for America in a warplane as we speak, he's in fact not a traitor. Nobody was ever going to know that. And he knew that at the time. So it's not like he was doing it to try and get out of the allegations of being called a traitor. Right? He was doing it.

[Tyler Redick]

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[Stormy Waters]

Here's that word that we don't see anymore. He was doing it because he felt the sense of duty. His nation was at war so therefore, he was going to fight its enemies, whether he got credit for it or not, no matter what the media said about him, no matter what the fucking President of the United States in the White House at the time said about him. So it was published 25 years after he left or basically after the war was over, because that's about the amount of time that he could get in trouble for releasing classified information which, you know, at the time that he was doing it, his combat missions into Japan. And we don't know, but there is a lot of suspicion that he took part in the Doolittle raids. But what we do know is that this man flew 186 combat hours in the Pacific. That is about three times as much as a typical combat airman would see over their tour of duty. And nobody was going to know about it. Nobody was going to. He wasn't going to come home and no longer be called a traitor. He was going to come home and still be called a traitor, and no one would know what he did or that he, in fact, wasn't a traitor. It was illegal against the law for him to tell anybody what he did, and he still did it. And I don't know, when I think about that, Pete, I don't know if I would be that brave. I don't know about you.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, I mean, it's a difficult choice to make, especially when you. When you look at the way they. They treat people and the way they hound people. And even back then, I mean, McCarthy. McCarthy was already a drunk, you know, when all the hearings started and everything. But, you know, what they did to him just drove him to. Drove it, drove him to drink that much more, you know, so it's not, you know, people have a tendency to believe because we're in this information age and things can get out over the Internet in a split second that, you know, back then it would be harder to slander someone. Well, not when everybody's reading the newspaper. Not when the newspapers are, you know, all printing the same thing. And they're controlled and they're being told what to be, what to print, or the radios. Yeah, they drove people. They. They drove people to become pariahs is just as much as they do it

[Stormy Waters]

nowadays, even more so, because at least on the Internet you can post and you could say, no, this is not true.

[Pete Quinones]

At least, yeah, attacking. But we also had a more. We also had a more moral society back then. So people leapt to their morality a lot quicker and they took their morality a lot more seriously. So if they thought Somebody was treasonous or something like that that meant something to them. It's not thrown around, you know, like we, like most people do today.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh, yeah. I mean, Tucker Carlson was called a traitor. I mean, Donald, we thought the President of the United States was a traitor and an active Russian spot. I mean, like they just throw these words around like they don't mean anything. But back then you were 100% right. These words meant things, which makes them all that more pernicious about how they were being thrown around. Because the progressive, I hate to even call it the fucking New Deal or the New Deal regime, the New Deal administration, because that's not what the men at the time fighting what FDR was doing to the country thought. On the last episode I did with you, Pete, we read some of the speeches that were given by the head of the Democratic Party and former presidential candidate Al Smith and what he thought the New Deal was. And he had just gotten FDR elected, so it obviously wasn't going. Basically what he was told was going to happen in the FDR administration did not happen. Something else happened instead. So I hate to even call it the New Deal regime because the men at the time saw it as communism being driven by a foreign group of people both within and without and from without. So the entire New Deal regime came kind of crashing down on the. On him and pretty much all of the other men that stood up to it. And now, like, none of the hell that we live in today would be possible if it wasn't for this. And you could say, like, oh yeah, you know, there are still subversives. And you know, oh yeah, this group has been in here doing all this other bad stuff for a very long time. Look at the Scofield bible. But nothing, nothing like the fucking New Deal. It was a revolution no different than 1776 as it fundamentally changed the governance structure and the relationship, the dialogue between American citizen and his government forever. I hate to bring up Marc Andreessen again, but he's a really smart guy. I. I respect that guy a lot. But I don't think anybody, even in our spheres that know how pernicious the regime is. I don't think. I think what he said on that Joe Rogan interview came as a surprise to most people. It came as a surprise to me. And I fucking think about this shit every day. I'm pretty smart. Like, how to have fun anytime, anywhere.

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[Stormy Waters]

and conditions apply the level of persecution at like a granular level was just shocking to me. And like the, the fact that like Elizabeth Warren has her own attack agency that not only isn't in the Constitution anywhere but isn't accountable to anybody because she's a senator. She has no authority to, to have an agency, but she does. So like the agency isn't supposed to exist. You can't sue it. I mean, you certainly can't stop it. You can't like call up a number and talk to a manager that like, there's no, you're just being. It may as well being. It may as well be persecution from a demonic entity, right? It's just, you know, this persecution that is happening everywhere all at once and you can't figure out where it's coming from. There's no way to put your finger on it to get a hold of what's, you know, what's afflicting you. There's no, you know, command structure that you can air your grievances with. It's just insane. And all this came from the New Deal. And I don't think he, I don't think we, I think we've become a little bit hyper focused on a specific, A specific aspect of the regime. And we kind of miss, we sometimes miss the meta, you know, of it, all right, like the thing in its entirety. But anyways, If it wasn't, if it was anybody else besides Charles Lindbergh, I think they would have been sunk because his popularity, like I said, was hard to describe or hard to contextualize in modern times anyways. Because yeah, there's famous people, but there's also so many famous people and people that are famous in all these different ways. And there's all these really like different niches. But like Pete, to what you were talking about, about how there really was only newspaper and radio and if you controlled those things, you literally controlled the entire public dialogue, right? No one was, you know, getting, finding new bands on SoundCloud, right? The only music you were exposed to was the music that was shown to you. The only news that you were exposed to your whole conceptual, your whole conceptual reality. All right, And. And this. This is public consensus. Reality was dictated through two business verticals, radio and print media. That's it. You had total paradigm control, at least they thought so. You know, when someone becomes very well known, like in those days, like,

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[Stormy Waters]

was kind of similar in the 60s, kind of, but there was no, like, thriving subcultures or anything like that. So if you think of how popular the Beatles were, Charles Lindbergh was more popular.

[Pete Quinones]

I think I have a better, maybe a stronger astronauts.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh, yes.

[Pete Quinones]

Like Neil Armstrong. Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes.

[Pete Quinones]

Buzz Aldrin. Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh, my God.

[Unidentified Historian]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

These. So these were celebrities and national heroes at the same time, as well as international sensations. Like, and being an astronaut was like, quite literally like being in the Beatles. Like, you were that. Like you were getting pussy that easy. And if. If the. If the astronauts happen to have, you know, been on stage a lot, which they. Luckily they hadn't, I'm sure panties would have been thrown at them as well. But, yeah, so luckily Charles Lindbergh was popular. He had a voice and he could. He had really good advisors. So the way he spoke was very much the way Donald Trump speaks. Also in that book by. By Ambassador Mr. Myron, he talks about, like, he heard Charles's speech and was, like, it was so natural. Like, he was just. He was basically just saying the. Whatever was on his mind, like, as it came into his mind, like, very, very much like Donald Trump. And Myron like, recounts how he's, like, to the average, you know, uninitiated observer, what he's doing looks very, very easy. But to an experienced public speaker or rhetorician, like, he was like a prodigy because Charles Lindbergh, like, you know, he wasn't taking, like, public speaking class. Like, he just was a fucking natural, very much like Trump is. And he spoke in a. I urge everyone to listen to. I know, kind of like the Hitler AI Translation speeches are going viral, which is great. I think that's awesome. Because if anybody still thinks that National Socialism was about, you know, just hating Jews or, you know, global conquest or any of the, you know, American secular state, religion, belief structures, the second you hear, you know, Adolf Hitler speaking. And what he's speaking about, all that goes away immediately. Like, if you replace the word Germany, that could have been any America, like, any that could have come out of Donald Trump's mouth. Well, not so much Donald Trump, because he. He seems to like or be comfortable with our media environment. Right? Probably because he's so good at playing them for fools. Like, he literally lives, not just lives in their Head rent free, like he owns them. They're so reactive to him, he basically puppeteers them. But outside of, outside of that, all of the other aspects of the NSDAP's policy positions, I think it's 20 planks. You would want any US politician to be saying the exact same thing. And you're like, oh, maybe this was about something different. I urge everyone to look up the. It's called the Des Moines, Iowa speech, right? So Charles Lindbergh on September 11, 1941 in Des Moines, Iowa, is a speech I'm gonna. Oh, I forgot, I can't because I'm in the timeout box. I would post it to Twitter, but when I'm allowed back on Twitter, I will do that. Or anybody that's listening, any of the early listeners, thank you for supporting one of the best guys in our sphere with your money, like the thing that matters, Mr. Pete Quinones. But yeah, if you get access to this early and, you know it comes out quickly, just start dropping that speech on your timeline. People need to hear it. It's that good. It really is. And that'll give you a really good idea about what America first was about. I'll leave some stuff out so the man himself can tell you, because I think it'll be better that way. But what he did say, what caused outright insanity in if the press hated him before, but again, so we say the press hated him and FDR hated him, were vehemently denouncing him. It was very much like a Donald Trump phenomena where all of the consensus media and consensus policy, you know, people and the, you know, important people, all 100% agree that Donald Trump is the worst. And the, you know, the vast majority of the country's like, yeah, we don't give a shit. We think he's great. 80% of America supported America First. Its policy positions of non interventionism, right? So 80% of the country was against any type of military involvement, whether it be logistical support, arms support, and most of all, troops on the ground. 80% of the country was isolationist. They say isolation is a bad thing. These bad isolationists. Yeah, sorry. Access to my nation's wealth isn't a fucking human right. Access to my prosperity and the most valuable things in my nation, which are farmers, boys in Iowa, bricklayers, kids in New England, right? And farmer sons in the south and some electrician's kid on the West Coast. That's America's most valuable resource and access to it is not a human right. Isolationism is probably the most noble thing that we can do. Because frankly, no other nation has the right to American blood. I don't care if your nation has a right to exist or whatever. I don't care. You're not my people. I don't give a shit about you.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, it also. It also shows respect for other people's cultures. We're not going to. With you. Yes, you get to have your culture. You get to have whatever you have. Don't with us. You know, if you want to. If there's something you want to trade, we'll have a talk. If not, you know, God bless. Don't. With us. Yeah, but if you. But apparently, if they move here illegally and then they subvert the nation, they subvert the culture, they subvert the government, they subvert everything. Well, that's okay.

[Stormy Waters]

And they don't fight.

[Pete Quinones]

No.

[Stormy Waters]

98 of combat arms just happens to be one ethnic demographic. 96% of combat arms, Moses. Or, sorry, 91%, something like that. In the Special Forces, I think it's 80% high 80s. In the regular, the broader Marine Corps and Army, it's white boys. It's white American boys. That's who does the fighting. So I don't care how smart your Indian friend is. I don't care how nice your Venezuelan housekeeper is. I don't give a fuck. I don't care if they came here legally. I don't care if they flew here on wings they grew on their backs. Don't fucking care, because they don't fight. And who fights? Well, patriots fight. So I guess they didn't assimilate, did they? I guess they really don't share our values, do they? Because they don't fight. They won't fight for those values, so therefore, they don't have them. Because you only believe something if you're willing to die for it. Anything else is a hobby. And these people don't fight, so they don't believe, so they don't share your values, they don't share your beliefs. Is Vivek Ramaswamy. Is he gonna. Is he gonna pick up a gun? Is he gonna go fight? I don't think he is. What was that? Chinese motherfucker, Alex Wang, was it? Wang was running for office. Is he gonna pick up a gun? Is he gonna fight? No, he's not, because he doesn't believe. And nobody has the right to have young Iowa farm boys. Trying to stuff their guts back in their stomachs as they scream.

[Pete Quinones]

Because a certain group in 1933 decided that they were. They didn't even have a country. And they decided that they were going to declare war upon a nation. And a nation is not a country. A nation is a people.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes, it's a race. Culture is ethnic, Culture is genetic, culture is racial. So they didn't have enough men to fight. So how were they going to fight this war that they just declared? They're not exactly a fighting people, as Mr. Netanyahu is finding out right now, because he can't get a certain subset of those people to fight. They refuse to.

[Pete Quinones]

They're such a non fighting people. They're such a people that doesn't fight that in their own country they have to have mandatory draft because no one would join.

[Stormy Waters]

You can tell who believes something by who is willing to die for it. And October 8th of 2023 was it. 1 5th, 1 4th of that population went to the airport on one way flights. So whose land is it?

[Pete Quinones]

You know, it's funny, when I, when I moved to, after high school, when I moved down to South Florida, Florida, it was described to me, they were like, you know, it's the one thing about south Florida is, you know, you're going to find out that it's very transient. I didn't really understand what that meant.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh God, yes, you're.

[Pete Quinones]

I didn't understand what that meant until years later when, you know, when I learned other terms like, like rootless.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah. Or cosmopolitans. Literally everyone from Florida is from somewhere else, particularly South Florida. South Florida is like this. And really anything south of Palm beach is, you know, west Tel Aviv or North Cuba or North Haiti or North Puerto Rico or, or, or, or Western Russia or now western Ukraine.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

South Florida is a fucking mess. I can't wait to get out of here. Luckily, I live in the last bastion of, you know, WASP culture and WASP demographics. But I'm sure that's about to change sooner or later. The population of Florida has tripled since

[Pete Quinones]

COVID

[Stormy Waters]

It just, it doesn't agree with my cultural soul. Florida is an ugly place. It really is. Yeah, I don't fucking like the beach. Okay, so what else is there to look at? Nothing. It's flat and it's either swamp.

[Pete Quinones]

The true south, the Midwest, where people actually put down roots. That's what America was.

[Stormy Waters]

Funny. That's the only place where men that fight come from. Men that are going to be torn apart by sharks in the middle of the Pacific, slowly bleeding out on a beach that they can't pronounce in Europe. That's where those men come from.

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[Stormy Waters]

those are the only men I find it very interesting that make up our sphere. Not to, you know, fire shots or whatever, I'm not going to. I am a New Englander. That's where I was born and raised and my family has been since the 1640s. But when it comes to like people in our thing, I find like the people from New York, no offense, that still live there, that choose to live there in the city are all just wearing our thing around like a skin suit, like a Fendi handbag or you know, some Louis Vuitton duffel bag or you know, name a shoe. It's a fashion accessory. It's the edgy transgressive thing. It's fun to talk about doing a Racism. They don't believe any of the things. So few of them. I've met a precious few from New York City that believe what I believe to the degree that I believe with the acceptance of the possibilities and externalities that could one day show up at my door for believing what I believe. There are a few and I love them very much. But for the most part, same thing with la, it's just a fashion accessory. They like to say the transgressive thing, they like to be seen as transgressive, but that's it. It'll never be anything more than that. That's why you gotta both, you know, be a right wing edgelord. But at the same time, don't let anybody say anything mean to our trans friends

[Pete Quinones]

or

[Stormy Waters]

anyways, I, I, I just find it so hilarious that they somehow believe that. They take that this is their thing and we're along for the ride. But nothing could be further from the truth. I find it offensive, like to the highest degree. It's the insolence that gets me. But the men that like those, they're no different than the people that headed to the international terminal at Ben Gurion Airport October 8th. Right? Because if you ever make a move to actualize any of your beliefs, it'll be people like that that stop you. It'll be people like that that stab you in the back. Because if you ever seek to make it a real world reality, it's no longer fun, it's no longer transgressive, it's no longer Pretend you're ruining it is what you're doing by making any steps towards actualizing any of the things that we believe that they say they believe. But it seems that when we make moves towards bringing our convictions into our concrete reality, they screech and holler like I am tearing up that Fendi handbag or I am pouring bleach over that Chanel sweater or whatever because I'm ruining their fancy fashion accessory. They wear our heritage and our identity like it is a fancy dress. And I say dress because turns out most of you fucking faggots like to wear them or like boys that wear them. Nothing right wing about you. You don't believe anything. You certainly wouldn't die for anything. Not like those men in the Spanish Civil War did not. Like those men in the Battle of Berlin did. Both of them knew their situation was hopeless in the Battle of Berlin. Not only their situation, but their cause and their nation was lost and they still fought. And you guys kvetch whenever we actualize any right wing beliefs outside of the precious few. But I think we have a problem of people wearing our beliefs as fashion accessories. And I think that's something that we're dealing with right now. I think it's a teething pain that we're going to have to go through.

[Pete Quinones]

You know, you really can see, like you mentioned the Spanish Civil War and you also mentioned Israel.

[Stormy Waters]

God, it almost brought me to tears when you're reading it, Pete.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, well, brought me to tears every time I read that. The, the. When you look at how the Nationalists handled the Spanish Civil War. War. So they had it in. They, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't even like they had foreign invaders. I mean, technically. But it was a government they had elected. A government was elected that decided that they were going to. This came out later. Kill half the country. That they were going to kill half the people in the country.

[Stormy Waters]

Because that's what they were doing. I never realized that. I had never known that.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, yeah. Their goal was to kill 50% of the Catholics in the country. So what they, when you look at that and you know, and you know that the only people that fled north to France were the infirmed and the old getting out of the way of war and that they stayed there and fought. It really goes to show that when you look at Israel and you just have people hopping over this fence and killing a bunch of people and taking, taking some hostages and then running back and you know, millions of people decide they're going to go home. Israel is not A country. Israel is not a people.

[Stormy Waters]

It's not a vacation destination.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. It's a place where people go to have extended vacations to be around their own, which you're not allowed to do pretty much anywhere in the west because of a certain group telling you you're a fascist. If you do that. Yeah, they don't have. When you compare that. When you compare the span. The Spanish, and you compare them, there's no. There's no question who the better people are. Who the better breeding is, who the better bloodline is. There's the people who are going to stay and they're going to fight for their own, not run.

[Stormy Waters]

Who. The noble blood.

[Pete Quinones]

Because they have no. Because they have no home. No matter what they say about Israel, as soon as something goes wrong, they no longer have a home. They go to their other home or their. You know, wherever that may be. These aren't a people to be

[Stormy Waters]

idolized.

[Pete Quinones]

There are a lot of people who idolize them. It's like, oh, I wish we got our own state, and we wish we could have our own ethno state. And no. It's like, yeah, yeah, why can't you? When a couple people get killed, you know, when. When a couple people get killed, what happens? Oh, we're gonna. We're running home. We're gonna run to Europe or we're gonna run to the United States. Okay.

[Stormy Waters]

The army should have been overflowing the very next day. The army should have been overflowing. Right. Just as every single recruiting station in the country was the day after 9, 11.

[Pete Quinones]

The only people in that. The only people in that country who actually give a shit and are willing to die and willing to kill are the settlers. That's it. They're the ones who are like, we took this. Fuck you. No matter what you think of that. We took this. Fuck you. Unleash us. Let us go. Let us go kill. Let us go kill Palestinians. Let us go kill the enemy.

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[Stormy Waters]

Yes.

[Pete Quinones]

There.

[Stormy Waters]

I actually respect them.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

And I understand why they don't want to fight in the idf. I don't blame them. Right. You got these, like if you're on the. If you're on the kibbutz, like you're. You're the closest that one of a cosmopolitan people that have had no roots could be to one of those Iowa farm boys.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

Or one of those Appalachian coal miners kids. Right. You're doing work.

[Pete Quinones]

They actually believe in what they're doing.

[Stormy Waters]

Yes. And you're working the land. That's what you're doing. And a certain type of consciousness comes over you. I know this because I've, you know, taken to growing food and a certain amount of peace comes over you. Tending the soil like it really does. It clarifies your mind.

[Pete Quinones]

I wish all of our elites, we were out in the backyard today getting things prepared for the winter.

[Stormy Waters]

Yep. It makes you in tune with the seasons. It makes you in tune with your surroundings. And you bond with the land. It is a dialogue and no one can tell me different. So those people on those kibbutzes,

[Unidentified Historian]

their

[Stormy Waters]

connection to the land is now a spiritual one. And it seems that that's funny because they're willing to die for it. And they also won't fight with the people that have to be forced to fight. The conscripts, the draftees. I actually respect that they won't join the idf. That to me isn't a negative.

[Pete Quinones]

Why would true believers want to fight? Besides trans people and other things?

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah. The world's gayest fighting force.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. Homosexuals and I mean, sorry, but women.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah. When. When they. When they occupied that church in Lebanon the other day and the one own that they could think of on the Christians to own and desecrate the church was to have a mock gay wedding, except for surprise the bride or, sorry, the groom and the groom, you know, made out at the end of the ceremony. Super tough guys. Like, again, like. I don't think that's the own. You think it is.

[Pete Quinones]

All right, let's look, let's.

[Stormy Waters]

Let's go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, Pete knows how to get the. Get the most out of me because I do have to be kept on topic, especially like that. But so the guys that briefly. We'll talk about who else before we get into Charles Lindbergh's fight with fdr, which basically it became because being as popular as he was, any radio station would fall all over itself to get Charles Lindbergh on the air. Advertisers would pay insane multiples on what they were normally paying to be either before or after a Charles Lindbergh speech. And it got to a point where the President's fireside chats, President Roosevelt's fireside chats, as painful as they are to listen to, I urge you to start seeking out Charles Lindbergh's radio appearances, or I guess you can call them, like, addresses, right? And then find the FDR fireside chats either immediately after or immediately before. Because these men were addressing the nation ostensibly, but they were having a debate, like, tit for tat. I mean, it was literally like they were on the debate stage going at it, if you listened to them in order. And it was a debate that FDR was losing and Charles was winning. And after the Des Moines, Iowa speech in 1941, when he said FDR, the British race and the Jewish race were pushing the country into war, that settled it. 70% of the country at the time. It's not my. These are here. Who did the poll? This poll was. What is this, page 18? This one? Yeah. Gallup. Gallup 1938, and then Gallup 1939, 1940. Yeah. Most of these are going to be Gallup polls, and there's the OPOR surveys, which I think that organization's now defunct. But 68% of the population of America said that the Jewish race had too much control over the FDR administration. So it wasn't just him. In fact, Pete, I sent you a book the other day. What was it called?

[Pete Quinones]

FDR and the Jews.

[Stormy Waters]

That's probably why I didn't remember. Because it was literally that obvious. No, I thought it was.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

Okay. And I remember, like, the. I remember reading a couple paragraphs. I read, like, the forward in the. In the introductory chapters of the book. And basically the purpose of the book was because it's one of those great things where they do, like, the. Actually, it is happening or. Sorry, it's. It's actually happening. But also it's actually a good thing and not a bad thing that, you know, the. The left so famously does. So FDR in modern times, you know, in the. In the late 90s, 2000s, right around, like the Ken Burns suspicious history documentaries started hitting the air. FDR's memory was starting to get a lot of flack because he turned down or he rejected that boat full of Jewish immigrants that were fleeing manual labor in Germany. And, hey, man, like, you know, Africans, I believe, are what, like lactose intolerant? Some people are. Some races are labor intolerant. But he rejected. He basically turned away the ship. Right. And that kind of came back into public consciousness and basically like there was this, you know, narrative going around that is probably from some, probably from some idiot conservatives. I actually, I guarantee you it was probably idiot conservatives saying like, you know, oh, FDR don't you know, love the Semites like I do? In fact, FDR and the progressives were anti Semites and that's why they turned away.

[Pete Quinones]

These go on always attack, always attacking the left as the, oh, they're the real racist or they're the real anti Semites. And yeah, it's like, okay, sure.

[Stormy Waters]

It's like the Antioch Declaration I was listening to. I don't know what the Declaration is. I saw Crypto's post about it. Everyone should follow Cryptos. One of the best accounts. I saw his post about it, but I was listening and I still didn't really understand what it was or basically like whose authority it was issued. And then I was listening to probably the angriest I've ever heard or in McIntyre, I guess just dropped a stream about this and about how to handle disagreements and infighting inside your cultural political movement. That was a really good talk. Very angry, which is interesting and refreshing to hear. I think Aaron should get more angry. Aaron, if you're listening, need to lean into that.

[Unidentified Historian]

It's,

[Stormy Waters]

it's good. Not like being angry. It's good. Being angry is not good. No emotion is good in and of itself. But hearing him deliver, you know, points like that with, with some anger and, and hostility in his voice makes Aaron hit much different and in a very positive way. So Aaron get angrier and preferably right before your streams. But yeah, it was, it's like what conservatives do, man, they go run to the left to try and cancel, you know, guys they don't like on the right and they anyways. But yeah, so this book came out to try and like was basically like no, no, no. In fact, the Jewish people in the FDR administration was actually, their relationship was so close in fact that the public started asking a lot of questions and getting very concerned with his third election right around the corner. It basically became politically untenable for him to accept them because of all the other good things that he had done for the Jewish people in his administration thus far.

[Pete Quinones]

So

[Stormy Waters]

surprise, fdr not an anti Semite at all, but was so phylo Semitic in fact, that it became politically toxic and if he had done any more of it, the toxicity would have been fatal to his third presidential, you know, aspirations. So that's why and the book that they, that I encourage everyone to read it, I, I, I've Only just started, but if it, if it keeps on hitting, like the introduction, like the intro chapters, I think it's going to be a really interesting book. But yeah, 70% of the country saw it the way that Lindbergh did, that these were the three interest groups, right? When I think he says the FDR administration and FDR personally, he was saying FDR personally. But the guys that were backing him, backing the America First Committee, these were the same guys at the American Liberty League. If you remember my talk about the American Liberty League in the last episode I did with Pete, you'll get an idea who he's talking about when he says the FDR regime as its own separate interest groups. Because at least from the men that were in power, industrial, financial, social, capital, like that type of power, even though they weren't in the government, because the progressives, I'm sorry, the New Dealers, these men saw it as a political regime that was being puppeteered. By Bolshevik Russia. And there's a lot of good evidence for it. A lot of that evidence would be confirmed by what's called the Venona cables. Turns out like they had some, the Russians had some pretty good encryption tech at the time and their ciphers. It took like computing power of like the early 2000s to come around before we had the ability to bust it open. So I think the NSA cracked Venona, or at least released announced that they cracked it and released it, I believe in the early 2000s. But surprise, McCarthy was right. And not only was he right, all of these guys at the time of FDR were right and were more right than they even thought they were right. Like our first lady was literally a cc, a CP USA member. What the. Like Barack Obama isn't a Marxist, Joe Biden, Kamal Harris isn't a Marxist. But the FDR regime was. The New Deal regime was. At least most of the people in prominent positions within the administration were. And they wanted the US in World War II real bad.

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[Stormy Waters]

is the other group of people that were withering against the onslaught brought on by the Wehrmacht or the Luftwaffe? It wasn't just the British, wasn't just the Jews, it was the Soviets and the Soviets. Unlike the British, their lend lease. I heard you bring up the other day Pete and I don't think not a lot of people know it is that at the time of the US entry into World War II, most of our arms manufacturing weren't manufacturing. Weren't set up for. From the very beginning. Were not set up for and were not at the time making American calibers.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, it's like you. I think the main character, the caliber they were manufacturing was 762 by 54.

[Stormy Waters]

54. Yeah.

[Pete Quinones]

What's that? What's that for? That's Mosin Nagant. Yep. Other Russian whatever that rifles.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah. What is it? The, the dpm. Is that the one with the plate on top of it? It looks like a dinner plate or a record on top of it.

[Pete Quinones]

I can't remember.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, it's like the precursor to the rpd.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

Wait, is the RPD the fat AK47. Now what's the, what's the 762 by 39 belt fed? That's my favorite. I'm not a PKM respecter. I think it's the RPD.

[Pete Quinones]

I think it's the DPM. Yeah, the. Yeah, the DPM machine was a 762. Let me see.

[Stormy Waters]

39. Or was was the DPM the.

[Pete Quinones]

Nope. 762 54R.

[Stormy Waters]

Okay. And that's the one with the. The weird disc magazine.

[Pete Quinones]

Yep. And if you go out to Battlefield Vegas you can rent one and shoot it.

[Stormy Waters]

Oh man. And fdr, you know, fed the magazines. That's great. Hooray. Makes me sick. The backers of the America First Committee were equally as interesting. So they were all the men that I previously talked about with the American Liberty League. But to give an idea of this organization, it was the largest organization, political or otherwise in the country. It had 800,000 paid members. Paid. Think about that like even today. Do you think, you know, Act Blue or DSA or do you think any Democrat, let alone Republican. Republican. Laughable. But do you think any political action group in the US has 800,000 paid members? Paid as in like they've received a check?

[Pete Quinones]

Well, you don't need that anymore because you have so many big gigantic billionaires willing to fund you that. Yeah, you don't need that.

[Stormy Waters]

Well, you got to hire. I mean these are people collecting checks, not. Not submitting them.

[Pete Quinones]

Oh, wow.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah. Insane. Well, they also like, like it was also like a union. Their members also did pay, you know, did contribute, but they don't actually know how many members. Even the president of the America First Committee even said, like, I have no idea how many actual members we have. There was. And what was the population? What was the population in 1940? You have a much less loud keyboard as I do, so I won't subject the listeners to that

[Pete Quinones]

population. USA was population 132 million.

[Stormy Waters]

Okay, well, there was over a quarter of a million America First Committee members in just Chicago. That's huge. Again, 80% of the population not only agreed with the tenants of the America First Committee, but I would probably say a majority of that 80% back to the organization themselves.

[Pete Quinones]

So who checks? You want to know what's really interesting about that? So those numbers that he's quoting, I'm almost 100% positive he got those from a book called Hitler in Los Angeles, How Jews Foiled Nazi Plots Against Hollywood. And in there, which was written by Stephen J. Ross.

[Stormy Waters]

Thanks.

[Pete Quinones]

In there, they actually post these surveys from the 30s asking people, do you trust Jews? Do you?

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah,

[Pete Quinones]

I think it was the American Jewish Committee at the time that was doing those, if I remember the book correctly. But yeah, those are. Those had been long for. Those numbers have been long forgotten until they decided to write this book to brag about how they foiled all these Nazi plots.

[Stormy Waters]

Do you remember what it said? The percentage of the US population that trusted Jews that viewed them as trustworthy?

[Pete Quinones]

It was between 70 and 80.

[Stormy Waters]

The trusted, trusted or distrusted. I'll take either or.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, distrusted was between 70 and 80%.

[Stormy Waters]

That makes about.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah. And you can even. And I'm on Amazon right now. And like even one of the. One of the reviewers says, what is it? I found this book well written and fascinating. I was somewhat amazed at the strong sense of anger, antisemitism and isolationism that existed in some of the more progressive areas of America at the time. I'm concerned that some of this thinking is raising its ugly head once again in both Europe and America. This is a review from March 7, 2018. So, yeah, they actually went through those numbers in this book and just, you know, basically told on themselves that, you know, it's like, it's one of those things where you're.

[Stormy Waters]

They do it all the time.

[Pete Quinones]

This is information that they do it. It's. It's so ridiculous that they do it all the time. They think that if they put that out there that, that thinking people aren't going to ask questions like, well, why? Why? I mean, people in the Cause.

[Stormy Waters]

You have to think that they think that they're the only ones that thinking people. Right. So I don't Believe in. I don't believe in all of the. All of the sillier tropes about, you know, their cartoon representation of. In the figure of Dracula. I mean, yes, you know, I understand St. Simon. Poor St. Simon. St. Simon's going to have it. Will have his revenge. I'm sure of it. At least in Europe. But the fact that the vampire can't see his reflection in the mirror, I find just so on the nose. I hate to even cheapen it with a pun like that. But they're not only incapable of self reflection. Aha. But they're also incapable of seeing themselves as a broader group.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

So, like, in that. In that public bragging, like you would think, like, oh, this may be a bad idea for us more broadly, you know, like, there's no. There's no reflection at a group level either, anyways. Yeah. Because the telling on themselves is constant. It is a constant theme. I find it just deranged. But some of the fiscal backers, the check cutters, the big ones. One is Julius Morton, governor of Nebraska and US Secretary of AG under, I believe, Hoover. He was kind of a big deal in. In the budding conservationist movement. Arbor Day exists because of this man. He made. He made his money. I can't remember. I can't remember how he made his money. Somebody should check it out. I'm sure it's interesting. Another guy was Joseph Patterson. It was a millionaire at the time, very much of the establishment, and was founder of the Daily News, which was the only newspaper talking sense. So everyone, when you go back in time, this is the other thing. Our academics represent the opinions of the American people in past times by seeing. By basically looking in the newspapers. Right, Pete? Like, if they want to see, like, what Americans were saying about a certain thing. Well, who owns the newspapers?

[Unidentified Historian]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

Like.

[Pete Quinones]

Yep.

[Stormy Waters]

I have never heard. Go on.

[Pete Quinones]

Especially the New York Times.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, right. Who said that? That's the paper of record. Who says, how come I have never. How come I. And probably you have never heard of the Daily News, the newspaper.

[Pete Quinones]

We're not talking about the New York Daily News, are we? Yeah, in New York, you have the New York Daily News, you have the Post in the New York Post, and you have the New York Times.

[Stormy Waters]

Let me see. I'd have to go back and check.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, keep going.

[Stormy Waters]

It's just the Daily News. The founder is Joseph Peterson or Patterson. P, A, double T, E, R, S, O, N. But I had never heard of the Daily News, but it was the largest newspaper in the country,

[Unidentified Historian]

right

[Stormy Waters]

in the 40s and the 30s and the 20s. How have I never heard of that? It had the largest circulation in the country. How come nobody ever goes and looks at the daily news when they're looking through microfilms about American opinion? Because I just found that out yesterday. And as of now I am going to start looking at when I want to look at opinions of the past. That's what I'm going to look for. Because almost all of the historical, you know, academic work is, you know, when they, when newspapers are involved or like, you know, going through archival newspapers, it's always the New York Times or the Washington Post. But one of the most interesting backers of America first and a frequent check cutter was one John F. Kennedy. So you had Gerald Ford as one of the founding members, which I find that very interesting that he was Nixon's VP Choice. Right. That's pretty cool. But anyways, John F. Kennedy would write handwritten notes because he would always put his checks in envelopes and on the envelopes each time would be like, this is the most vital. This is the most vital effort in the nation. This is the most important effort or the most important undertaking of the nation. He was a vehement supporter of America First. John F. Kennedy, his father as well.

[Pete Quinones]

Right.

[Stormy Waters]

But his father is a business magnate and a foreign diplomat. Very similar to the Myron T. Herrick types. I think Herrick was a banker, a successful banker because he's who that. He's the guy who was I think in the, in the very first episode we were talking about the very first episode of the Robber Barons we were talking about how Pierpont Morgan was trying to get out ahead of and stop before it really, really, really got underway. Like I think it was like Turkey and some other country know like this. The, the Eastern European countries had just started, right. And it would later melt over. But the JP Morgan Co. Tried issuing. Tried offering very large zero interest and forgivable loans to both of the. Both of the belligerent nations. And Myron was the. It was orchestrated out of Morgan and Morgan and Grenfell was the London office. Morgan and Hodges was the. Was the Paris office. It was operated out of the U. S. Embassy in France or in Paris, France which was that Myron guy is operation and. And out of Morgan and Hodges. So I find it really interesting that like the same guys that tried to stop World War I are also the same guys that tried to stop World War II.

[Pete Quinones]

That makes.

[Stormy Waters]

I don't find that a coincidence at all. Oh, and by the way, they're also the most financially powerful people and you could say the most financially literate people in the country. So, sorry, libertarians. Sorry, leftists. Turns out industrialists and bankers don't want wars. So, no, wars are bankers. Wars retards. God, I hate the sloganeering of libertarians. Their bumper, their ideology is a bumper sticker deep. Because all of the US Bankers seemed to work very, very hard at substantial personal risk to themselves and their fortunes to do the opposite of war. So at least as far as America is concerned, no, wars are bankers wars. And the guy that headed, the guy that was the first president of the American First Committee, is a really interesting character. So, like, you're talking about, like, the level of American brass. Top. Top, I guess you could say, like, top ethnic stock of the heritage American ethnos. I shouldn't laugh. Darrell Cooper already spends enough time trying to tell me that I don't have a people and I don't have a country. I shouldn't give his silly position any. Any help. But he's great on everything else. Daryl Cooper's. He's a really good guy. Just wrong about one thing, which is all right, because a lot of smart guys are usually wrong at at least one thing.

[Pete Quinones]

Murray Rothbard used to say that you're allowed one deviation.

[Stormy Waters]

Really? I like that.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, I think I should be allowed at least one contradiction or deviation or incoherence. Brigadier General Robert Wood was the president and chairman of the America First Committee. Like, you know, before this is. This guy's actually really, really interesting. Right. He was a successful executive. He went to West Point and he served in the Philippines from 1902 to 1903. And if you know anything about what happened in the Philippines, you will understand that this man saw some shit, like some real horrific stuff. But he retired in 1915 and then became the vice president of Dupont Company and headed operations inside the United States. All right, actually, just to clarify for his service in the Philippines, because you wonder, like, is this guy, like, a cadet? Like, how old is he? Right. So at the time that he

[Unidentified Historian]

was

[Stormy Waters]

retired and he was a major and would later be, in 1905, became assistant quartermaster or assistant chief Quartermaster and then chief Quartermaster. But that was. That was after his service in the Philippines. So he started off the Philippines just a regular officer, as one does when you graduate West Point. But he would leave a major and then go and be vice president of DuPont and head of US operations. Pete, do you remember who was one of the largest backers of the American Liberty League besides Jack Morgan?

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[Stormy Waters]

I read.

[Pete Quinones]

I can't. I can't. Yeah. I can't remember.

[Stormy Waters]

I didn't remember.

[Pete Quinones]

Thank you.

[Stormy Waters]

So I find it very interesting that one of dupont's top guys has the America First Committee. I'm sure after the American Liberty League and the direct attack that they came under by the newly birthed regulatory state, I'm assuming that these guys thought it best to put at least one layer ventilation between them and their political action. And that was Mr. Robert Wood. Sorry, Brigadier General Robert Wood. And he stepped down from the Dupont Company on the eve of 1917 and America's entry into the First World War. He returned to the army as an infantry lieutenant colonel. So he was on the front line. He stepped down out of the Vice President's office of one of the most successful and wealthiest companies in the country to go to the front lines. Find me anyone, anyone in corporate America today in senior leadership that not only served. There's lots of men that serve that hold those positions. At least a handful of. But how many of them are going to step down from those positions and fight on the front line if their nation is ever called to arms? We used to be better.

[Pete Quinones]

It's just unheard of.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, we've used to be better.

[Pete Quinones]

Just doesn't happen. It doesn't happen anymore.

[Stormy Waters]

All of this stops tomorrow. All of it. This hell we live in. This frail husk of a once great house, this amazing place. Turned into a haunted house. A house of like horrors. Now all of this ends tomorrow. When the men with money realize that some things, in fact most things are more important than money. These men knew that already, instinctively, somehow it's been conditioned out of us. I don't know how, but I'm sure it wasn't easy and I'm sure it didn't happen quickly. But it happened. These men knew that there were things more valuable than money. That there were risks of loss far worse than money. There are worse things, as we are finding out today, than losing money. And the sum total of our past sins. Well, what's that quote from the movie the Patriots? Probably the only quote movie I like. He's like, he says, my greatest fear was that my past sins would one day come home to roost. Like, sorry, the ghosts of my Past sins would come home to roost and the cost would be more than I could bear, I believe is the quote. That's a good one, because I hope that that's not the case with America. I hope that the ghosts of our elite's sins have come home to. We live in it. I just hope that the cost is not more than the nation can bear. But he would later lead the entire American Expeditionary Force and exited the war as a brigadier general. He would then go on to chair the Sears Roebuck Company. He became one of the most important business leaders not only in the company's history, but in the country at the time, serving as its president from 1928 until 1939. Also founded Allstate. A pretty serious dude,

[Tyler Redick]

To give you

[Stormy Waters]

an idea of his bona fides as far as American Anglo aristocracy

[Pete Quinones]

is

[Stormy Waters]

he in 1950, was admitted into the Fraternal and Hereditary Society of the Cincinnati. If you know, you know, and I'll leave it at that. But these people, These people weren't like the men. Like, I just see these men and I look at, like, our guys. And the shoes that we have to fill are immense. Yes, we have been gatekept away from the wealth of our nation. And I say that rather hypocritically because some of us, myself included, have not

[Unidentified Historian]

been,

[Stormy Waters]

But I know most of our guys have. So the bounty of the greatest country in the history of the world, their inheritance has been kept from them. So as far as positions of prominence in our leading business institutions, cultural institutions, and political institutions like Esau, That inheritance has been stolen through trickery and deceit. So these men's positions of prominence are not shoes that I can reasonably expect our guys to fill, but their character, their sense of duty, and their commitment to America,

[Pete Quinones]

The.

[Stormy Waters]

Nation. That is a sum total of the international, or, sorry, intergenerational, what's the word to put it? I. I guess I don't want to get too metaphysical, but we believe intrinsically that there is some type of. Well, every now and then, science throws us a bone, right? Science confirms something that surprises science, but does not surprise us, people of faith. And one of those things is the discovery of epigenetic memory. It's a very real thing. We can test it in entirely controlled environments. Now, first it was that hundred monkeys thing that I think I mentioned on our show with Thomas Astral and Jay Burton.

[Pete Quinones]

Jay Burton, yeah.

[Stormy Waters]

Also a great guy, but we can. We can replicate it in the lab in entirely closed environments, right? Where, you know, using different color spiders and things like that where, you know, a chimp will, you know, associate some very negative stimuli to certain colors and shapes, and their offspring are inherently, sorry, instinctly scared of those same colors and shapes within one generation. So our consciousness, right, is. There is that innate nature of it, that. Observer, that passive participant, that is pure awareness, that is, That's our soul, that is our spirit. But then there is our consciousness, our conscious mind, the, the part of our soul that is us and not God, That is a sum total of our memories, our life. So if a portion of memory is inheritable, intergenerational memory, Then consciousness. It's impossible to deny that there is an element of intergenerational consciousness in a people and ethnos or racial consciousness in the real sense, not in the rhetorical sense like the left uses, but there is a real living, conscious entity that is the sum total of the memories of each generation. I don't think I'm doing an adequate job of explaining it. I'm a little slow today, but the results of this are undeniable. Go on, please. Save me.

[Pete Quinones]

Honestly. Honestly, I think that's a conversation for another day. Yeah, that deserves, that deserves its own episode.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, I'd like to have that chat with maybe Thomas too, because he was the one that initially gave that light bulb. But like, the people that serve are moved by that consciousness. Right. Those are shoes that you can fill. I, I, I don't think the ancients were dumb in their worship, at least in some spiritual capacity, their ancestors alongside their gods. Because, I mean, you know, anyways, so we can fill those shoes. We don't have to fill the shoes, you know, financially or economically or in positions of prominence yet, but we have to be able to fill those men's, these men's shoes in our concept and

[Pete Quinones]

our

[Stormy Waters]

mortal devotion to those things. And to be ready to fill those shoes, to be deserving of filling those shoes. And when I look at these guys, and then I look at our guys today, we need a lot of work. Just like the black pilling, for instance, the constant defeatism. If you were in a trench,

[Unidentified Historian]

that

[Stormy Waters]

type of attitude would get everyone killed. If they didn't kill you themselves.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah,

[Stormy Waters]

yeah, like we have to be better.

[Pete Quinones]

Well, we, you know, I'll end it, I'll end it on. This is, you mentioned Oren and an episode he did, and he was talking about the Antioch thingama.

[Stormy Waters]

What the fuck is that?

[Pete Quinones]

It's some bullshit interpretestant fighting sign this to prove you're not a fascist or whatever. But the, the point of Orin's that whole episode, and, you know, a couple comments I've made recently is that it seems like now that the left is seemingly defeated instead of the right focusing on either utterly destroying the left so they never come back, or maybe looking at some problems, some big problems on the right, they're arguing over memes and they're basically unfollowing people, going to war with people over the meaning of memes. And we can't be expected to be ready for the kind of fight you're talking about if we're fighting it with each other over this meme or, you know, what is. You know, or, oh, well, you know, if, if you're, if you're against Israel, if you're against Israel right now because they're at war, then you're obviously on the side of the Palestinians. I mean, it just. And if you, if that's, if that's true, you're a third world and it's just bullshit. It's just. Sorry, the. The right got it. The right decided they were going to get into. The right is like, oh, well, look at this. I mean, Trump got elected and the woke is. You see people taking, removing their pronouns and stuff like that. So they're defeated. So let's fight with each other.

[Stormy Waters]

You know what this sounds like to me, Pete?

[Pete Quinones]

What?

[Stormy Waters]

The Army Rangers and also NATO has been nice enough to do something similar. The document is called Cognitive Warfare. I cannot recognize the Army Rangers. The Army Rangers have their own psychological warfare outfit. And you can get a hold of the training manual and doctrine. They've been. I think it's this. The repository I found them on was like, called Public and Intelligence. It's a great site for policy documents and training manuals. Like a training manual for like anything military is really like, not just like a, you know, it's not an instruction manual. It's really like everything, right? It's a complete text. But Public Intelligence, I believe, was the site I got it from in this particular instance. But it basically goes through what psyops actually are. And I think it's very informative and I think we would do well in knowing it because all the things that we get chalked up that we chalk up to psyops, right? Like hoaxes or trying to convince us of things that aren't real, right? Like holograms or whatever. Like all the stuff that Alex Jones screams are psyops, right? Like these fake things that didn't happen, trying to convince us of not real things. That represents less than 10% of what a psyops unit actually does. So our whole conception of what a psyop is is less than 10% of what psychological operations soldiers and operatives are actually doing. Do you know what? 90% of their time, energy and resources is spent on sowing discord and creating infighting in a target group. That's what 90% of psyOps is on the ground, right in.

[Pete Quinones]

Sounds familiar.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, it does. Right, because the number one priority is to break enemy cohesion, right? And get the various leadership individuals or organizations in an enemy population or an enemy fighting force to fight with each other. Because when that happens, logistics breaks down, command and control breaks down, and most importantly, trust breaks down. If you don't trust this part of your outfit, you aren't going to be confident that they will resupply you or reinforce you. So that completely changes your paradigm of what is possible on the battlefield. You won't do certain things simply sowing, creating infighting and sowing discord. All of the second and third order effects of that on the battlefield are huge. So much so it is so worthwhile that it represents 90% of what psychological operations units devote their time to. It's all about infighting. Infighting is the name of the fucking game. And when I see contrived controversies that no one asked for taking over the entire discourse, I get suspicious. Because if I have to ask, why the fuck does this matter? And whose issue was this prior, Right? Was this like the hobby horse of any particular, like, subset of people? No, it wasn't. This is suspicious as. And anybody fighting on either side of this argument is dumb or disingenuous. This is. This is an actual psyop, right? Holograms or, you know, no planes or Project Blue Beam convince you of any alien. Like, that's not psyops. This is Psyops this dumb.

[Pete Quinones]

I. Yeah, I think. I think that's where we should end it.

[Stormy Waters]

I think so too, man. It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

[Pete Quinones]

Always. Always. And let's get. Let's get back together with Astral and Thomas and, and Jay real soon and pump some of that out because people are. I think people are loving that too,

[Stormy Waters]

so I really like that.

[Pete Quinones]

Yeah, we do a lot of stuff in real time there too, so.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, I mean, I think panels are the way to go, like, for like, current stuff or like, stuff that's affect, like, stuff like this. A panel is perfect for stuff that's afflicting our guys and the scene, like, right now. Also for planning, like, objectives for, you know, anyways, that's something.

[Pete Quinones]

That's something we should definitely get together and talk with Thomas about.

[Stormy Waters]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Pete Quinones]

Because he's going to have a lot on that. All right, man. I appreciate you. Thank you very much.

[Stormy Waters]

Talk to you later.

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