An Overview of the Spanish Civil War w/ Karl Dahl - Complete w/ Livestream Q&A

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The Pete Quiñones Show

Episode: An Overview of the Spanish Civil War w/ Karl Dahl – Complete w/ Livestream Q&A

Release Date: August 5, 2026
Host: Peter R. Quiñones
Guest: Karl Dahl

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Overview:

This two-part episode delivers an expansive, high-level narrative of the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939), examining the causes, progression, key figures, material realities, atrocities, and ideological battles that defined the conflict. Host Pete Quiñones and guest/historian Karl Dahl systematically work through an annotated outline covering everything from the medieval social order to the aftermath, concluding with a spirited livestream Q&A on everything from sources and historiography to modern relevance. Dahl brings a highly revisionist and openly Catholic-traditionalist perspective, critiquing mainstream narratives and emphasizing the war’s religious and ideological stakes.

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Table of Contents

• Introduction and Purpose
• Deep Background: Spain Before the War (04:24–16:45)
• The 20th Century Upheavals: From Monarchy to Republic (19:24–27:23)
• Spiral into Civil War: Elections, Coups, and Violence (27:50–38:58)
• Outbreak and Early Phases of War (38:58–58:24)
• Foreign Involvement and International Brigades (58:24–91:54)
• The War in the North, Basque Country, and Guernica (103:56–116:03)
• Unification and Ideological Consolidation (116:03–122:32)
• Major Campaigns: Teruel, Aragon, Ebro (124:17–150:34)
• Endgame and Aftermath (152:32–172:11)
• Summary Data: Dead, Demographics, Refugees (157:02–163:03)
• Catholic Response and Historical Legacy (163:03–175:34)
• Livestream Q&A: Historiography, Memory, and Modern Reflection (178:26–end)

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Introduction and Purpose

• Theme: A high-level, bullet-pointed summary of the Spanish Civil War aimed at accuracy, combating mainstream “Republican-leaning” narratives.
• Intent: “To get a history on it, be able to tell people about an event that happened last century that is basically 90, 98% of the people who talk about it are lying about it.” — Pete (03:03)
• Episodes differ from prior deep-dives. This is meant as a distilled, “lifetime-per-bullet-point” resource.

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Deep Background: Spain Before the War

Social and Economic Foundations

• Spain’s deep provincialism; decentralized power and persistent medieval rights (“fueros”).
• Landless peasants in Andalusia remain marginalized for centuries, fostering “bandit cultures” later fusing with radical ideologies.
• Spanish vs. English colonial models: Spain’s was elite-driven, caste-like, more extractive, sending precious metals “overlaid” back to Europe rather than trickling wealth into native Spanish development. (07:32–10:49)
• “That money … wasn’t … going to improve the infrastructure and … developing … Spain itself. It was this system that was kind of layered on top and staying … rather than trickling down.” — Karl Dahl (10:49)
• Habsburgs left internal administration to local elites, focused on external wars—Ottomans, Reformation.

Rise of Ideological Division

• The 19th century: explosive ideological conflict between radical atheist liberalism/anarchism/Marxism and traditional Catholicism.
• “In America, we had our revolution kind of before this… Europe was in massive upheaval. If you look at the example of France and the bloody revolution, the Republic is horrific when it comes to how they handled the religious and traditionalists…” — Karl (14:18)
• Succession crises (Carlist wars) and “Bourbon Restoration” re-entrailing old divides.

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The 20th Century Upheavals: From Monarchy to Republic

Instability and Radicalization (19:24–27:34)

• Large rural, low-industrial demographic; radicalization of urban proletariat.
• Differentiation between anarchist and Marxist factions (e.g., Bakuninists vs. Stalinists).
• Coup by Primo de Rivera, collapse, establishment of the Second Republic in 1931.
• Early acts: “from May 10 through May 13, anarchists and communists burned down over 100 religious buildings... The Republic, headed by fervent anti-Christians, refuses to intervene.” — Pete (22:36)
• Karl: “That develops the pattern… the left goes nuts and then the supposed legitimate authority just sits back.” (23:16)

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Spiral into Civil War: Elections, Coups, and Violence

1930s Pre-War Politics and Violence

• Wave of church burnings/land seizures (1932 onwards).
• Carlists and Falange build parallel political and militia structures, prepping for war (24:35–25:05).
• August 1932: “A bloodless military coup intended to rein in excesses under the Republic... fails. The conspirators are sentenced to death, though for most this is downgraded.” — Pete (25:12)
• "Conservative and reactionary elements win the 1933 elections, which triggers mass left-wing violence and church burnings." (25:46)
• Asturias uprising (1934): “34 priests, six seminarians... executed... 58 religious buildings destroyed... rising snuffed out by Franco on order of the Republic… 2,000 lives and mass incarceration.” — Pete (26:17)
• The right shifts from electoral hopes to armed organization.

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Outbreak and Early Phases of War

The Uprising—Murder as Prelude (32:25–33:03)

• July 17, 1936: After the assassination of right-wing parliamentarian Calvo Sotelo, rightist military units openly rebel.
• “He’s in Congress... someone in the other party says ‘this is your last speech.’ And then they kill him that night. Just think of how brazen that is.” — Karl (32:25)
• The coup is initially intended as “bloodless”—"How do you have a bloodless coup against monsters?" — Pete (35:17)
• Initial rising successful in conservative/military regions, defeated in radical strongholds.
• “The Spanish Civil War has begun.” — Pete (38:28)

Oviedo as Microcosm (36:17–37:09)

• Nationalist garrison commander pretends loyalty, then seizes Oviedo, enduring a brutal siege: “civilian casualties far beyond those seen at Guernica... yet there has never been a global propaganda campaign about Oviedo.”
• “Global propaganda is only done on behalf of brutal communists and anarchists.” — Karl (37:09)

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Foreign Involvement and International Brigades

International Support Flows (58:24–62:21)

• Nationalists: German Condor Legion, Italian CTV (huge contribution), Portugal (arms/safe harbor/seaports), American and British industrial “technical support.”
  • Quote: "The truth is they knew ... they were siding against the Bolsheviks, period." — Karl (59:59)
• Republicans: USSR (arms, advisers, tanks, aircraft in exchange for Spain’s gold reserves), France (aircraft, trainers), Mexico (huge Soviet-aligned arms supplies).
  • “At that time Mexico was an arm of the Soviet Union.” — Pete (62:21)
• Transfer of Spanish gold reserves (described as “appalling”) to Soviet banks for arms—Stalin “laughing at them.” (63:12–64:18)

The International Brigades (86:50–91:54)

• Recruitment, composition and size: estimates vary from 30,000–59,000; only ~14,000 in Spain at once.
• Significantly Communist-led, with major Jewish contingents in officer/cadre roles.
  • “Other sources estimate as low as 25%. Though officers were exclusively Communist Party members...” — Pete (88:44)
  • “Commanded by the Comintern in the interests of Soviet strategic purposes.” (86:50)

Volunteer Forces for Nationalists

• Italians: 50,000–75,000 men at peak, hundreds of tanks/artillery, major air/naval ops.
• Germans: airlift, Condor Legion, trainers. German aid paused, then traded for mining interests.
• Portuguese: thousands of “volunteers,” strategic material support via safe ports.
  • “Salazar government funneled armaments from abroad to the Nationalists...” — Pete (94:30)

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The War in the North, Basque Country, and Guernica

Northern Campaign (103:56–116:03)

• Nationalists attritionally whittle down Basque/republican resistance. Many Basque Catholics defect to the nationalist Carlist militias.
• Combined arms tactics (infantry, armor, air), enabled by new portable radios, begin to bear fruit.

Guernica and Propaganda (110:13–114:00)

• The bombing of Guernica (German/Italian aircraft): Actual deaths re-evaluated at 153, not 1,600+.
  • “Red journalist George Steer passes on the inflated figure ... current consensus ... a mere 153 deaths.” — Pete (110:13)
• Picasso’s “Guernica”: initially a flop, later hyped as anti-fascist icon.
• “Guernica was a propaganda … coup for the libtards. But that didn't change people's perspectives. … Modern warfare.” — Karl (217:57)
• Carlists protect Basque cultural symbols from Falangist destruction (114:00–115:18).

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Unification and Ideological Consolidation

Franco's One-Party State

• Falange and Carlist militias forcibly unified “Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las JONS” (116:03–117:06).
• “One party, one army, one state. … But the militias are fully incorporated into the nationalist army's command and logistic structure.” — Pete (117:06–117:22)
• Yet Carlists/Falange allowed separate symbols, with veterans’ rights postwar.

Republican Consolidation

• Communist influence grows; post-1937 “May Days” in Catalonia see communists crush anarchist and heterodox leftist elements.
• “The ideology is the important thing. The symbols are the important thing.” — Karl (119:20)

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Major Campaigns: Teruel, Aragon, Ebro

Attrition, Offensives, and Turning Points

• Nationalists gradually abandon prestige targets for attrition—more “grinding” for lasting victory.
• “Franco's intent... was to ignore Madrid ... and instead smash the Spanish Republican army through attrition, rather than attempt a knockout blow.” — Pete (134:15)
• Multiple failed Republican offensives (Brunete, Belchite).
• Nationalist Aragon Offensive: “They reach the Mediterranean, cutting the Republic in two…” (137:41)

The Battle of Ebro (140:02–150:34; 143:06)

• Republicans commit nearly all remaining resources to break nationalist lines: massive, costly failure.
  • “Completely trapped… only attack was permitted.” — Pete (145:56)
  • International Brigade dissolved after catastrophic casualties (25% fatalities).
• Aftermath: “Both sides suffer massive casualties … Republican casualties number 75,000 with 30,000 dead ... The nationalists too take approx. 60,000 casualties, though almost certainly fewer than 10,000 dead.” — Pete (149:53)

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Endgame and Aftermath

Collapse, Surrender, and Reckoning (152:32–175:34)

• Fresh nationalist troops invade Catalonia, barely meeting resistance.
• "March 28, Madrid surrenders almost bloodlessly. March 31 the Nationalists control all Spanish territory. April 1 Franco proclaims Leguera es al final. The war is at its end..." — Pete (153:48)
• Combat dead (authoritative source Lorenzo Ball): ~165,000, in a population of 25 million.
• Executions/murders (Lorenzo): 72,344 in Republican territory (36–39); 57,662 in nationalist Spain (36–50), with majority judicially governed and targeted at proven criminals/atrocity participants.
  • “If you find someone that murdered 10 people and you shoot them after a fair trial, that's a number that's here, but like, good, right?” — Karl (158:06–158:52)
• Population loss from “missing births” more destructive than direct casualties.
• 500,000 refugees, with most returning to Spain, and thousands of hardline militants ultimately interred by French, Vichy, & Soviet authorities.

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Catholic Response and Historical Legacy

Papal Benediction

• Lengthy excerpt of Pius XII's address celebrating the triumph of Catholic Spain and the defeat of “materialist atheism” (163:03–172:11).
• Calls for Christian reconciliation: “forgiveness and mercy” for “prodigal sons.”
• “Franco removed his sword of victory and vowed never to pick it up again unless Spain was threatened.” — Karl (173:00)
• Franco’s later regime characterized by conservatism, religious protection, non-alignment in WWII.

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• On narrative bias:
  “Books in English were only written from the Republican side … those numbers got embedded into people's brains.” — Pete (48:27)

• On the ideological stakes:
  “The word libertarian is a Spanish word. It represents the non-Bolshevik oriented anarchists in Spain. Do not call yourself that if you read this history.” — Karl (71:25)

• On Picasso's 'Guernica':
  “[It] was actually a flop despised by the global public... only became iconic thanks to a huge propaganda tour after WWII started.” — Pete (111:43)

• On Franco's postwar stance:
  “Franco brought them in and protected them and let them live out their lives in Spain.” — Pete (175:34)

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Q&A Highlights (178:26–end)

Recommended Historians/Sources (179:07–181:10)

• “Dig into Spanish-language sources, especially regional/local studies—most global work is Republican-leaning.”
• Dahl’s substack is suggested for English readers; some bibliography in Spanish as well.

On the Carlist Movement Today (200:09–202:48)

• Revival is “nascent,” mostly traditionalist symbolism, some involvement in anti-communist and anti-migrant street actions, and palpable cultural influence.

International Volunteers (227:27–230:11)

• Nationalists: Romanians (Iron Guard), Portuguese, white émigrés, Latin American colonials.
• Americans: “Very, very few... most known ones involved with intelligence/espionage; some persecuted postwar.”

“First official engagement?” (212:43–215:00)

• July 17 1936, across the whole country—"everywhere in the country during the uprising,” with certain regions pacified more quickly.

Hemingway (231:45–233:38)

• “He was an egomaniac and most likely a rapist... he supported the cool thing, which was the Republican cause, and he did a tremendous amount of propaganda for them. Total Bolshevik nonsense.” — Karl

On Atrocities and Political Violence (237:30–240:21)

• “This whole thing that political violence is inherently leftist is … enemy action to me for someone to make that statement ... The Carlists absolutely crushed the anarchists up there…” — Karl

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Segment Timestamps

• 03:03 — Purpose: correcting mendacious narratives
• 14:18 — 19th-century Europe and radicalization
• 22:36 — Early Republican government passivity in the face of religious violence
• 32:25 — The murder of Calvo Sotelo and brazenness in Republican violence
• 38:28 — The war begins
• 58:24 — Foreign involvement overview
• 86:50 — International Brigades discussed
• 103:56 — Campaign in the North, Basque Catholics
• 110:13 — Guernica revisited: Numbers, propaganda
• 116:03 — Consolidation: Franco’s one-party state
• 124:17 — Major campaigns: Teruel, Aragon
• 134:15 — Franco’s attritional strategy
• 143:06 — Battle of Ebro
• 152:32 — War end and numbers
• 163:03 — Pius XII’s Benediction
• 178:26 — Q&A begins
• 200:09, 202:48 — Modern Carlism
• 227:27 — International Volunteers
• 231:51 — Hemingway’s role
• 237:30 — Political violence, atrocities
• 240:32 — Force sizes at the outset
• 245:51 — Trotsky’s relevance
• 248:09 — Army side loyalty
• 256:06 — Portugal’s significance
• 260:41 — Did Franco “apologize”? (Apologia)

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Final Thoughts and Tone

The episode is frank, polemical, revisionist, and openly anti-communist, frequently decrying “libtard” and mainstream academic perspectives. Its structure is driven by bullet-pointed, high-level summaries occasionally diverging into Q&A, historiographical debate, Catholic apologetics, and polemics aimed at modern political factions. The speakers mix dry detail with emotional commentary, sarcasm, and periodic black humor. Catholic traditionalism and anti-Bolshevism are embedded throughout.

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Where to Find More

• Karl Dahl: karldahl.substack.com / Amazon ("Faction with the Crusaders")
• Pete Quiñones: The Pete Quiñones Show archive

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This episode offers a comprehensive, combative, and strikingly detailed narrative covering the complexities, personalities, and lingering controversies of the Spanish Civil War—indispensable for listeners interested in the war’s real causes, social dynamics, and aftermath, as well as the war’s ongoing relevance in historiography and Western political culture.

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[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

Doing great, Pete. Hail Victory.

[Pete]

Hail victory. We doing this what, about 12 hours after we found out that Donald Trump is going to be the 47th president of the United States? And yeah, I literally just woke up a little while ago and I don't think you've slept at all.

[Carl Dahl]

I'm exhausted, but it's good caffeine and a nice cocktail will keep me moving.

[Pete]

Great. All right, well, the episodes we've done on the Spanish Civil War before are going to be a little different than this one. Because in this, and this is going to take more than one episode, we are going to go through the causes, the lead up, the war itself and the aftermath and we're going to do it all, you know, following, you know, following an outline. So I think this is something we can put together and will be a nice resource for people so that they can, you know, get a history on it, be able to tell people about an event that happened last century that is basically 90, 98% of the people who talk about it are lying about it.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. And you know what just popped into my mind, Pete? Hyperlinks. We can make it a hyperlink document and we can just link to all kinds of sources that are all online. Because one of the key points is it's a very high level treatment. It's a bullet. It's bullet points, it's any bullet point. There are scholars who've devoted their lives to individual bullet points to explain them. So we're going to go super high level. I really recommend the shows that Pete has done with Paul Fahrenheit talking about, you know, Spanish Empire and all that. That's the level of deep dive you need to really understand. But we hope that this at least gets people started in comprehending kind of the scale of the scenario that we're talking about here, which is the history of Spain, how it led, you know, how that led to the Spanish Civil War, etc. So.

[Pete]

All right, so I'm going to start going through the document. I'll just start, you have a nice preface here and then I'll start reading and you stop me when, I mean, I'm sure I'll know the natural place to stop because I've read through this.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah.

[Pete]

And yeah, we'll let you comment on it. All right.

[Carl Dahl]

Awesome.

[Pete]

This is the preface. What follows is the highest level distillation of detail possible for such a presentation. Almost every bullet point below could easily drive a lifetime of study. English language material in the Spanish Civil War proper is very much lacking. Estimate there are less than 100 books on the subject, most of them obscure or focused upon a narrow subject. Almost all are long out of print, quote, unquote. Republicans rule the roost of the Spanish Academy and the vast literature of the nationalist cries out to be translated. Starting Causes and conditions of the Spanish Civil War. The causes and conditions which led to the Spanish Civil War. To understand them, we must know that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities and the rise of the sons of arias, there was an age undreamed of when Shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the sea. Did a poet write this?

[Carl Dahl]

Robert E. Howard.

[Pete]

All right, first bullet point. Social conditions relating to settlement patterns predating the Reconquista. Broadly, tradition in northern Spain meant pre medieval rights and privileges codified by for all social classes per the old fueros in southern Spain, the landless peasants saw little change in their circumstances under the Carthaginians, Romans, Moors and Spanish. Many parts of Spain, particularly Andalusia. Andalusia maintain large persistent bandit outlaw cultures developed during the Reconquista, which never went away. This tendency fused with the radical ideologies of the 19th century.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, that's actually a really important point because. And think of this. When you think about the kind of outlaw cultures that have developed in America, when you're thinking about our own situation, all of those little outlaw cultures, whether it's drug culture, hippie culture, you know, sub ethnic groups, etc, when things come in that are like ideological and lending a like intellectual bent to this like already radical and violent subculture, it gives it like legitimacy and also in that culture then has a lot of influence and cachet with like the middle class who, and you know, upper class and scholarly types and etc. For whom those ideologies resonate. So that drives like real radicalization and then you mix.

[Pete]

Yeah. And then when you have that kind of, and I think we've talked about this before, how one of Spain's main problems is, is that it was always sort of decentralized with all the different provinces and they could be autonomous. And then you introduce a radical ideology in the 19th century and that's when, I mean, you're basically throwing a match into a, you know, throwing a match into a powder kick.

[Carl Dahl]

Absolutely.

[Pete]

All right, next bullet point. The lack of investment in and development of Spain during the empire comparison. English colonial model as seen in the Americas ignores India. Surplus population flows to the colonies to conquer and settle. Raw materials flowed from the colonies to the homeland. Finished products from the homeland flowed to the colonies and trading partners. Spanish colonial model, exploration, conquest and settlement of territory with small populations of chartered foreigners, I.e. the genuine Columbus or elite, primarily Castilian Spanish nobles following the same pattern as the Spanish Reconquista.

[Carl Dahl]

And that's really important because when and, and this is kind of closer to, you know, I mentioned that India model with the English Empire, the British Empire, that's basically parallel with this, the Spanish model is you actually have elites and you know, you have some other folks go out and conquer these territories, but they create a New, like, cultural hierarchy there, and then they exist there. And it's about that place. So it's about developing that place with a tiny sliver of Spanish who remain Spanish.

[Pete]

Okay. Exploration and conquest took place well into the 18th century, which was expensive. Very expensive. Yeah. The Encomienda Commission granted colonists the right to contribute and force labor from the native population. The Consolado de Mercad Mercaderas. Mercaderas, or merchant guild, monopolized trade goods in the Indies via the port of Seville, later cadiz, until about 1763. Silver flowed via the Spanish treasure fleet to the port, which paid for trade goods in Spain. However, most of the goods came from the rest of Europe, although eventually Catalonia came to dominate domestic production for the colonial trade.

[Carl Dahl]

So that vast treasure flowing in goes largely to the rest of the continent other than the cut that like the merchant guild and, you know, the. The royal family get. So I'll let you follow up with specific numbers that put that into perspective.

[Pete]

Yeah, we have some statistics here. In 1520, 23 years before the Merchant Guild was founded in 1543, the total silver export of Spanish America was valued at around 500,000 pesos, with the royal family getting 400,000 pesos of the silver profit. In 1596, the peak year of silver production in Spanish America, the total silver export was valued at around 7 million pesos, of which the Royal family gained only 1.5, 550,000. And the rest going to Casa de Contracion and Consola. Consolado.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. So almost all the money, if you look at it, is flowing out of the country and why, you know, it's not only that merchant trade, but we'll start talking about the rest of it. So it wasn't the. That money. I mean, it was going to some development. There's a lot of, you know, beautiful cathedrals and stuff that date from that time, but it wasn't. Not huge amounts of it were going to improve, you know, the infrastructure and, you know, developing, you know, the country of Spain itself. It was this system that was kind of layered on top and staying and kind of flowing through in that direction rather than trickling down.

[Pete]

Okay, the next point is the huge cost of maintaining a vast empire against incursions by European competitors. The Habsburg rulers of Spain. 1506 to.

[Carl Dahl]

Oops.

[Pete]

Was that 17?

[Carl Dahl]

Oh, I think it was like 1703 or something. Yeah.

[Pete]

Left domestic policy up to the established order in Spain. Isabella I and Ferdinand II's daughter Joanna married Philip, the handsome son of Maximilian, the first Holy Roman emperor, in 1496, Philip became king of Castile. Jure. How do you pronounce that?

[Carl Dahl]

Jure usaurus, which is like proper, like instead of it, you know, du jour. It's like de facto. But he was formally made King of Castile in 1506.

[Pete]

Yep. And there's no problem. I needed to know how to pronounce it. And their focus was war to drive the Ottoman Turks out of Europe. War to maintain Habsburg control over the Roman Holy Roman Empire, War to defend the Roman Catholic Church against the Protestant Reformation.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. So most of their, the, the Habsburg tenure, there was massive upheaval taking place in Europe all through that period. You know, there was essentially a reconquista taking place against the Turks and, you know, the, the, the, the, the religious wars, you know, war constantly. And so that was also very expensive and required a big focus for the Habsburg rulers. It wasn't worth the trouble to meddle too much in the affairs of Spain. There were lots of little uprisings, you know, when they came in, because here are these outsiders that are running things. They developed a kind of a buffer and let the, the nobles kind of keep things the way they were and doing things the way that they wanted to.

[Pete]

And then there was a broad split, near universally atheist liberalism and traditional Catholicism, which festered into revolutionary atheistic anarchism and Marxism.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, it really accelerated during the 19th century. If you, Pete, you just put out a series of readings on the kind of. A lot of the Marxist literature and Stalinist literature. I think people don't understand

[Pete]

very well,

[Carl Dahl]

like the degree to which Marx was commenting on what was taking place during the middle of the 19th century. And, you know, in America, we had our revolution kind of before this and established our country before this, But Europe was in massive upheaval. And if you look at the example of France and the bloody revolution, when you see the Republic of France, it's not a good thing. The Republic is horrific when it comes to how they handled the religious and traditionalists, not just the upper classes.

[Pete]

Just took us. We just got delayed by about 200 years.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pete]

All right, 19th century Spain hemorrhages its overseas colonies between 1810 and 1898. Between 1807 and 1814, the Republic of France invades Spain to impose the revolution. Britain intercedes, resulting in a bloody war of all against all.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, you'll see that in British. You know, the British will acknowledge that they were basically engaging in atrocities because their, their supply lines were disrupted. So they would go into villages and take all the, the food and shoot anyone who resisted. You know, it was, it was not a pleasant time. It was a very brutal war. But what that did was it gave all these little factions combat experience. And so as they assert themselves, it's very easy for them to to go to go to guns.

[Pete]

1833 the old secession switcheroo places Queen Isabella on the throne rather than Infante Carlos. Traditionalists support Carlos and his descendants call hence the Carlists in three armed risings this century the First Carlist War 1833-1840 the Second Carlist War 1846-1849 and the Third Carlist War 1872-1876-1873-1874 the First Spanish Republic lasts 11 months, ends in a military couple, and then the Bourbon Restoration.

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[Carl Dahl]

No purchase necessary VGW Group Void where prohibited by law 21 terms and conditions apply yeah, so they they went through this whole process Kind of from a top down perspective where the, the liberalizing influence was put into kind of a constitutional monarchy situation. Just to transition into liberalism. All the different uprisings and fights and everything meant that you had extreme push pull from the left and the right on the kind of, you know, monarchist, you know, constitutional liberal monarchists. It's stuck in the middle. All these different groups kind of trying to pull away and establish what they wanted. And then the Bourbon Restoration reappointed a non liberal royal and to kind of bring things back to normal because that's literally what the people who are willing to fight wanted.

[Pete]

All right, let's move up to the 20th century. Spain maintains a large rural population while select industrial cities rapidly urbanize neutral Spain's economy. Both agricultural and industrial boom during World War I. The left fractures into disparate radical factions with large swaths of the urban working classes joining Marxist and anarchist labor unions.

[Carl Dahl]

And I'll point out, like Pete, you, you're knowledgeable because you've read it enough about it, of the kind of 19th century anarchist movements, you know, Bakunin influenced people and all that. I feel like that's something we should do a dive into someday because I've been, I, I did a thread on X about this fairly recently and it's, it's actually really interesting because you see that a lot of the times that the, the opinions on anarchism versus Marxism came down to people's impressions of, of like Bakunin and Marx themselves, like the man. And I think there's something really interesting there that that would be worth, worth talking about. But when it really comes down to it, you see how they ally with one another during the, the lead up to the Spanish Civil War. But then it fractures because of the, you know, a couple of distinct ideological differences. The main one being like the like international Bolshevik tendencies of the, the hardcore communists and the support that they get from the Soviet Union. Whereas the kind of ideological purists who kind of want to do, you know, socialism in one country or anarchism in one country, they want to get to the revolution, which to them is not war. Right, so just a thought for future reference.

[Pete]

Yeah. I was going to ask you, was there a specific reason in the 19th century you left out Giuseppe Finelli?

[Carl Dahl]

I, I just didn't get into the details, but Finelli's super interesting especially because of the influence that he had. The, the anarchist CNT FAI is completely in the inheritors of Finelli and his, and his, you know, force of personality and, and his influence internally again because of just the way it was so driven by individual personalities. But yeah, I think, I think it would be great to dive into talking about some of those personalities sometime because of how telling it really is to look at that.

[Pete]

And one thing about Spain is no one ever hid what their beliefs were.

[Carl Dahl]

No, that's actually a really interesting point. Yeah, they were very open about it.

[Pete]

Political instability driven by street violence results in a coup d' etat led by Miguel Primo de Rivera in 1923 with the approval of King Alfonso XIII. The dictatorship collapses, the king abdicates, and the Second Spanish Republic is born in 1931. From May 10 through May 13, anarchists and communists burned down over 100 religious buildings, including the primary Jesuit monastery in Madrid. Countless invaluable historical works are destroyed and many clergymen are killed. The Republic, headed by fervent anti Christians, refuses to intervene.

[Carl Dahl]

And that develops the pattern that we see that leads to the radicalization of the right, which is that the left goes nuts and then the supposedly like legitimate authority just sits back and there's even, there's even a quote. I forget who said, may have been a zanya who said in the very early days that, you know, not one of those people is worth the life of a single republican.

[Pete]

The Republic imposes de jure social revolution, nationalizing church properties, banning religious instruction and public processions, and instituting land seizures. In 1932 there's some. Michael Jones talks about how a lot of the religious Protestant reformation was about, yes, getting church, stealing church properties and stealing land.

[Carl Dahl]

And the history in, in Britain is very interesting on that subject as well. Yeah, it's all, all over the Protestant countries. That was done absolutely.

[Pete]

1932. Carlos form communion, try traditionalista and Rickett defense militias. Yeah.

[Carl Dahl]

So they have a party which is the, the face, the political face of the organization for electoral purposes and to mobilize people like legally above board. And then they have the, the youth organizations and the radical militias who are preparing for war, just like the ira, like the Sinn Fein as the political front. And then you have the actual IRA behind them.

[Pete]

There was something else happening very similar to that in another country in Europe at the same time.

[Carl Dahl]

Very much so, yeah.

[Pete]

August 1932. A bloodless military coup intended to reign in the excesses under the Republic headed by General Sanjurjo. The San Jorjada fails. The conspirators are sentenced to death, though for most this is downgraded to imprisonment, then exile.

[Carl Dahl]

And that was done because they didn't want to provoke the. The Republic did not Want to provoke the right wing to violence or further political mobilization, I should add, which they failed at.

[Pete]

So conservative and reactionary elements win the 1933 elections which triggers mass left wing violence and church burnings.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, so they, it's basically antifa gets called out because they weren't able to do fraud in, in 2016. They were totally taken aback by the actual turnout. Their fraud failed and so they chimped out.

[Pete]

19:34 Sadas victory at the polls doesn't materialize into power due to suppression by moderate Republicans under a Zunya. General strikes and an Asturian anarchist uprising hint at the war succumb when 34 priests, six seminarians and several businessmen and civil guardsmen are executed by the Revolutionary Committee. 58 religious buildings are destroyed. The rising of 30,000 revolutionaries is snuffed out by General Franco on order of the Republic at a total cost of

[Carl Dahl]

up to 2,000 lives and mass incarceration of prisoners. So at, in 1936 when they talk about the, the, the left opening up the prisons, it was supposedly because of, you know, all the revolutionaries between now and 1936 that end up in there. A lot of them are just like psycho criminals, but they, they put something like 10,000 CNT people into prison alone.

[Pete]

The Seder Youth movement flocks to the Carlist and Falunga and Falungist militant organizations.

[Carl Dahl]

And that's because the electoral party like they, they saw the failure of electoral politics to do anything. They, they already understood what was going on. So they said we're going to organize with the established militant organizations that are in our milieu.

[Pete]

Carlos commit most of their financial resources to arming and training the Rickettes. Jose Enrique Varela, alias Don Pepe, Transitions Rickettes from 10 Men Decurias A local defensive structure into a variation on the traditional Spanish infantry structure.

[Carl Dahl]

So the idea here is that you would have, you know, small groups of people that would organize and so they would put them into this ten man. It was a, it was a Roman, Roman kind of structure. And then they would have like individual officers that can contact them, meaning there aren't that many of them. But at this point there's so many people and they're getting so organized, they just start preparing them to be a separate, basically a separate army that they can plug into army units that they control when the time is right, which comes very soon.

[Pete]

General Franco is exiled to the Canary Islands while Jamieist General Mola is sent to Carlos Tartland of Backwater Nevada. Because the Republican government couldn't imagine right wing factional Alliances.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. So the Jaime is.

[Pete]

I was gonna say. I knew I should, but what. What are Jaimeists?

[Carl Dahl]

So Jaimeists were the. They were just the royalists who supported the. The old king, king Alfonso the 13th and his line, which was like King Jaime. So they were called Jaimeists. So if you go all the way back, when there's that split with the Carolus and the others, they're still. They're still following Bourbon line people. It's just the, The. The libtards couldn't imagine that these people could reconcile with one another because they were like, oh, well, there are these silly, like, unsophisticated primitives who worry about the succession nonsense. So there's no way that they would come together because they hate each other. Wrong.

[Pete]

The militant anarchists of the cnc. Fai, or is that fal?

[Carl Dahl]

Fai.

[Pete]

Fai. Yeah. Learned from the failure of their improvised spontaneous uprisings, as in Asturias, and developed the cellular defense cadre structure. They begin organizing and preparing for Revolution. By 1936, 1/3 of the CNT union's budget will be devoted to manufacture of the FAI bomb hand grenade in Barcelona. And we covered that in, I think in the last episode.

[Carl Dahl]

We did, yeah. And I have a. An article about it out of my substack, if people are interested in it.

[Pete]

1935. Falange and Raquete leaders are sent to Italy to train in light infantry tactics. The artificial governing coalition under PM Leroux collapses in December 1935. New elections are called for. 1936. Mass ballot fraud and voter suppression results in a Popular Front victory in the 1936 election. The Falange is outlawed by the Republic. They go underground, though many leaders and activists are rounded up by spring 1936. The Carlist Raquetes are a 10,000 strong armed and trained citizen militia which, with 20,000 auxiliaries.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. And the thing to keep in mind there is that, and I've mentioned this before, but of all the different armed groups, the. The Recites were the only ones that Spanish military professionals said were capable of actual infantry combat operations. So they became. They became incredibly important for what you're going to talk about next.

[Pete]

The uprising. July 17, 1936. Prominent conservative parliamentarian Jose Calvo Sotelo is arrested by republican political police assault guards and executed. July 13, 1936, after Stalinist parliament. Parliament woman. Parliament woman. Dolores. Yeah. Announces while at. While he is at the podium in the Cortez. This is your last speech.

[Carl Dahl]

So he's. He's. Let's say he's in Congress. He's a Congressman, he's giving a speech. Someone in the other party says this is your last speech. And then they kill him that night. Like just think of how brazen that is.

[Pete]

Yeah. July 13th. Something else happened on July. Yes. This year. Huh.

[Carl Dahl]

Interesting.

[Pete]

Well, you know what's funny is if you go back, if you look at September 11th in history, it's remarkable how many things happened on September.

[Carl Dahl]

History is so interesting that way.

[Pete]

Yeah. I think the Pinochet in Chile, they tried to assassinate. They tried to assassinate Mussolini on, on September 11th. There's, I mean, there's a bunch of you. If you like Google September 11, like historical events, there's just a list and you're like going back centuries, it's like,

[Carl Dahl]

I'll ask my son. He probably knows all of them. 911 is like a joke to to zoomers at this point. It's crazy.

[Pete]

Following a Units begin assassinating prominent assault guards, a large portion of army officers coordinating in secret for many years Some

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[Pete]

SEA terms and conditions 21/rebel across the country, in the Canaries and Spanish Morocco, working with Carlist and Falange militias with a goal of conducting a bloodless coup. How do you have a bloodless coup against monsters?

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, well, you can't, obviously.

[Pete]

The rising is carried out by officers taking command of military forces, arresting those who oppose them, securing their bases, and immediately consolidating control over territory. In many areas, such as Navarre, Castile and Leon, and northern Aragon, the civilian government is in alliance, and the relatively few leftist political agitators are immediately squashed. Pew, pew. One odd case is that of Oviedo, capital of Asturias, the location of key government arsenals, as well as the center of the 1934 anarchist uprising and a bastion of revolutionary activity. The town's garrison commander, Colonel Antonio Aranda Mata, was considered by the nationalist conspirators as a Freemason. And Republican Freemason is also. Can also be.

[Carl Dahl]

Yes, yeah.

[Pete]

For something else. Yes. With the news of the uprising on July 17, Aranda declared to the civil government and leftist union leader leaders that he would remain loyal to the republic and that the city was secure. Satisfied, 4,000 militants departed to spread the revolution. Taking advantage of access to relatively vast munitions, Aranda then secured the town and surrounding strategic positions with his force. Falanga sent allied civil guard and assault guard forces and held out against a brutal siege until being relieved by a relief column from Galicia. Republican forces cut off power and water while shelling and bombing the city relentlessly, relentlessly, causing civilian casualties far beyond those seen at Guernica. Yet there has never been a global propaganda campaign about Oviedo.

[Carl Dahl]

And there's never been a global propaganda campaign because it was a heroic stand by right wing forces against brutal communists and anarchists. And global propaganda is only done on behalf of brutal communists and anarchists. They did aerial bombing. They just shelled the city indiscriminately. What ultimately happened is a lot of people who were libtards ended up defending the city and siding with the defenders of the city because they were just being killed indiscriminately and their families were.

[Pete]

So is, is this a scenario laid out in the Last Crusade where he calls in the bombing on. On the, on his own location?

[Carl Dahl]

No, because they survive. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And 37.

[Pete]

38. 38, actually.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, exactly. So the, the cool thing about it though is because the, they secured the arsenals there, they immediately begin manufacturing like next gen iterations of small arms for the, for the Nationalist army. As soon as they, they get relieved,

[Pete]

the rising is successful in the most conservative parts of Spain and in military strongholds, but is squashed in street fighting in leftist strongholds such as Barcelona, Santander, Toledo and Madrid. The Spanish Civil War has begun. Coup leader General Sanjurjo, returning from exile in Portugal, perishes in a plane crash July 20th. Nationalist command is split between Franco in the south and Mola in the north.

[Carl Dahl]

And an important thing to point out is that there are conspiracy theories about this that like Franco had this happen because he was like Hitler to Electric Boogaloo. But it's nonsense. Sanjurho wanted to bring I, I might be confusing him with the other guy who will be coming up, who will pass away soon, but oh no, no, no, he, he had tons of luggage and he, he was the, he was the older coup leader, he who had envisioned the original coup. You know, there had been the sun Hur Hada that had failed and so he overloaded a very small plane that crashed upon takeoff. So this is in an era when aviation was very dangerous. So it was, you know. Any people talking about, you know, conspiracies related to Franco there? It's nonsense. It's just fortuitous for Franco.

[Pete]

Yeah, I think Beaver describes it as he was trying to the plane was too weighted. They tried off and it tried to clear a wall and it clips and then boom.

[Carl Dahl]

And he was an older gentleman and the pilot survived. Yeah, but Sanjurho passed away, right?

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[Pete]

Also on July 20, Spanish Legion forces landed at Cadiz to reinforce local Carlist and Falange militias and secure the port city and much of the province. Navarre brigades and Carlos militias, Riquete militias under the command of General Mola in the north, fan out and secure the French border to the east, establish a front with republican aligned Basque countries of the north and northwest and approach Madrid's northern flank in south central Aragon. They stop northbound. They stop northbound. Cnt, fai, anarchist militias and it's incredibly impressive.

[Carl Dahl]

Impressive how professional and squared away they were for being amateurs, for being an amateur militia. But the important thing to keep in mind is that they plugged into an existing military structure and military logistics. So it was, so it was a militia. They started out with a lot of weapons that were secured internationally that weren't necessarily like military standard. You recall when we looked at the small arms, they had some very advanced stuff like, like light machine guns from, from Switzerland and stuff. But they, they moved very, very quickly and fought very, very well. Even though they weren't, they weren't exactly using a lot of the, you know, as the newer volunteers were coming on, they weren't using the most sophisticated, sophisticated tactics and stuff. But it didn't matter. They were, they were incredibly brave and my position is that the upright like the war would have been lost very likely if it wasn't for the Carlist recite militias. That's, that's my position. Based on how much territory they were able to secure and hold.

[Pete]

Nationalist and republican factions immediately crack down upon internal enemies in the areas they control. Thousands are killed due to violence from all sides. In Navarre, for example, Carlos and Falangas arrest, subdue, subdue in combat or simply assassinate execute prominent opposition and militant leftists in Republican controlled areas, class enemies are killed in huge numbers Whether extradition or in combat, the Church is a primary target. With between one third and one half of all church buildings in Spain destroyed. Many diocese see all or nearly, or nearly all of their buildings wiped from the face of the earth. By the end of 1936, nearly 7,000 priests, nuns, monks and seminarians are murdered along with, along with several more thousand attendant lay people, along with many thousands more by revolutionary Republicans. Most of the non combat extrajudicial killings are eventually reined in by both sides by 1936. But the Republicans in particular continue the practice of executing non combat combatant enemies with the illusions, with the illusion of trials.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, so the, When you, when you look at the like Bevor style numbers and when I was working on this Pete, I was thinking about the numbers, you'll remember I told you I'm going to do a revision where I'm going to talk more about the numbers. And instead of just like the events, what you'll see is that the mainstream, the mainstream position is that like the Republican, you know, mass killings were anomalous and it was out of the control of the central government, whereas the nationalists did it because they were, they were bad guys. And it's, it's just absurd. And the narrative about the Republican factions has changed multiple times, you know, in, since the war. There was a period, especially during and immediately after the war, like late 1937 and on, where the, the Nash, excuse me, the Republicans were blaming like the anarchists and, and the like for excesses and that was because of the kind of the communist directed propaganda campaign. And then later they shifted it to say, well the Soviet led communists were the bad guys and like the moderate Republicans and the anarchists were just kind of like this stuff was just happening and like they never, they never would have wanted anything like this to happen. When you look at the memoirs of the anarchists and such, they, they're so, they act like, you know, they're innocent angels and, and you know, this was all done by just like people who were just criminals, so it was incidental. But when the nationalists execute people who commit atrocities, for example, I'm not saying that there weren't excesses on the nationalist side like there was some, there were executions of people for example, that supported the, the Republic and were harmless, were non combatants essentially that they just murdered or you know, individual people murdered. It wasn't like the leadership of the military was saying they should do this, but it, but it's always, it's mischaracterized but when you actually look at what the numbers are like. And when you look at the. They, they have essentially a truth and reconciliation committee that's underway now. And whenever they investigate these individual excesses, the, they always find that the, the nationalist supposed atrocities of like a thousand end up being like 13 people were killed and possibly it was a combat situation or something like that. So those numbers get revised downward. But still like Bevoir 15 years ago, I think he published his book, maybe a little more.

[Pete]

Little.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, yeah, 15, 18 years ago. The numbers are really high on the national side and low on the Republican side. But now that they're investigating them, they're kind of flip flopping. So it's, it's just something to keep in mind. And it's just classic. It's, it's what you would expect from what, you know, anytime you examine anything that the media talks about nowadays.

[Pete]

Right, yeah, yeah. No, it's, I mean really, books in English were only written from the, from the Republican side for. Exactly. Those numbers got embedded into people's brains. And then when you. Now they have excavations and all sorts of things and it's like, we're gonna, we're gonna find a thousand people in this pit. Oh, there's nine people.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, exactly. And, and so this is where when you go back and you look at a lot of the books that were written in the 60s with the cooperation of the Spanish Academy, the numbers are lining up. The new numbers are going back to those old numbers that were like Franco approved because they're real, they're accurate. All right.

[Pete]

The factions, the Nationalists represent themselves as true Spaniards. National nationales, the defenders of Christian civilization against the red hordes. Territory a large swath of northern Spain. The cities of Cordoba and Seville. The city and a portion of the province of Cadiz. The Canary Islands, Spanish Morocco and the Balearic. Is that right?

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, Balearic.

[Pete]

Yeah, Balearic Islands. Excepting Menorca and Formentera, formerly government forces. Roughly half 60,000 of the Spanish territorial army, the army of Africa, including the Spanish Legion, 35,000 and just under half of Spain's civil guards and carabineros. Approximately two thirds of the Spanish army's heavy weapons are in the hands of the Nationalists, along with half of the rifles the Carlos Roquete militias has. The Carlos Rickette militia has approximately 30,000 men under arms at the uprising, growing to 85,000 by the end of 1936. The Falange militia has approximately 20,000 men at the time of the uprising.

[Carl Dahl]

And the thing to keep in mind there is, remember when a civil war breaks out and people have to fight. You attach yourself to the organizations that are existing. You can't join the army and go straight into combat, but you can join the militias, especially if time is of the essence. Exactly.

[Pete]

The Republicans represent themselves to the world as the legitimately elected government of Spain, championing freedom and progress against tyranny. Internal divisions are significant. Liberal socialists and communists generally supported the republican government, though immediate divisions appeared, such as the debate regarding arming the workers militias. In the very early days of the uprising. Anarchists broadly sought to form their own institution separate from the republican government, and were most successful at this in Catalonia and initially focused upon the social revolution. The Basque country, strongly Catholic and conservative, mostly sided with the Republican Republic due to the promise of autonomy, although this coalition saw a rapid schism. Government forces roughly half 60,000 of the Spanish territorial army possess one third of the machine guns and artillery, plus half of the rifles from military armories. A bit over half of Spain's carabineros and civil guards, along with most of the assault guards, stay with the Republic.

[Carl Dahl]

The assault guards were kind of like the equivalent of the fb, like a

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[Carl Dahl]

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[Pete]

the workers militias do not arise spontaneously but rather out of established party militias and are difficult to fully quantify, say for certain well documented cases. For example, we know from extensive material later published by members of the highly prepared and organized anarchist CNT FAI that they put. They put 10,000 armed men into Barcelona within hours of the uprising, though most of their weapons were handguns and surprisingly sophisticated craft made grenades.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, so they had been preparing in a very robust fashion. Whereas the other militias, they, they were relying on this spontaneous uprising. The cntf, I have an article about them on my substack. And their, their militias, they learned from the failure of the 1934 Asturias uprising and the losses that they took that they. That there's no spontaneous uprising. I'll just tell a story that's true and this is more than I've talked about in the past, but I was in Seattle during the WTO riots in 1999. Protests slash riots. The, the anarchists who caused the police to attack the protesters. Because the anarchists came up from Eugene and did a. Did a during the parade of like a hundred thousand like just regular people protesting the wto. Whether they were environmentalists, whether they were leftists, whether they were like American labor oriented people. They did a big U around where the conference actually took took place and where there were protesters with permits peacefully sitting there protesting and smashed windows in a big U. And one of them told me when I was hollering at him with a. My hand on a pistol in my pocket because I was like, oh, there's only about 40 of them. I was, I was young. Anyway, the police didn't have rapid reaction squads. And I saw police like looking and like radioing and, and one of these older guys and they were all just like junkies and shit, said oh well our strategy is that by doing this we will get the police to attack the innocent people and then the people of the country will rise up and then we will have an anarchist revolution.

[Pete]

That's the same thing. Yes, John Reed went to Moscow, promised Lenin would happen in the United States. And the United States is just not made for that.

[Carl Dahl]

No, not at all. And it, and that was what the, that was what the communists and the anarchists thought they could do. And every time they just got their teeth kicked in after they murdered a bunch of innocent people. And so they gave this a whirl and you know, and the, and the FAI anarchists said this doesn't work, we have to actually plan. So they were one of the few like actually organized groups and they were critical to the success of everything that the loyalist Republic, Republican troops and police and stuff around Madrid because again if you'll remember, they sent mola like out to Navarre. They, they made sure that only libtards were around Madrid as whenever they could so that the, the right wing rising just completely failed in a bunch of areas because the Republic had been preparing for this. So when the leftists, you know, needed to come out into the street, they were just not ready and they were not trained or anything like that.

[Pete]

All right, here we go. The March on Madrid. July 21st, 1936 to March 1937. The rebel army secures German and Italian support to conduct an airlift of infantry from Spanish Morocco to Seville in southwestern Spain. Avoiding a naval blockade by the mostly republican controlled navy representing the nationalist faction. General Franco immediately engages the international community for support, but most of the world opts to remain neutral. July 26. Nationalists secured German commitment to provide their forces with transport aircraft, fighter bombers, anti aircraft guns and other equipment. The first shipment arrives August 1st and there's a note here. The Condor Legion, the famed German volunteer quote unquote volunteer force isn't formally organized until November. The Italians go all in on supporting the nationalists and provide 48 aircraft in the first month. Along with an increasing flow of small arms, company level weapons, vehicles, advisors, observers, technical experts and combat personnel. U.S. and British companies provide technically non military support to the nationalists which passes the muster under the future neutrality agreement. Texaco, formerly the provider of oil to the Spanish government, shifts its support to Franco furnished entirely on credit upon hearing news of the uprising. Ford, Studebaker and General Motors supplied 12,000 trucks, parts and tires on credit to the nationalists.

[Carl Dahl]

And this is a very old entry, a very old bullet point in that really dumb, you know, Alex Jones attached himself to all the government's run by secret Nazis. This is one of the first entries in that ledger per the libtards which is that like oh, America sided With the fascisms, man. And it's like, you know, the truth is that they knew that this was. They were siding against the Bolsheviks, period. It was as simple as that.

[Pete]

And then what did they do a few years later? All right, let's keep going. The Republic secures military support and international volunteers from the Soviet Union and the, and the intermittent support of France. France transfers 48 aircraft along with trainers and some weaponry in July and August despite having agreed to the non intervention pact. This pattern, always downplayed by Republican apologists, will continue throughout the war.

[Carl Dahl]

And I have to interject there, it's impossible to overstate how much people lie about the support that they got from Bloom's socialist government in France. And yes, when you say Bloom Blum. Yes, yeah, yes, that there was essentially a. There was street fighting in France at the time between traditionalists. And a bunch of those folks ended up going to Spain to fight with the nationalists as volunteers. They ended up getting plugged into the Spanish Legion in great numbers. Spanish Catholic, excuse me, French Catholics who were, you know, later when Germany invaded France, they were more than happy to basically hand this one third of the French population essentially control of the government, the Vichy government. It was not this like tiny sliver of French culture. It was the French traditionalists who, who wanted that support that was handed to them.

[Pete]

So Mexico provides a substantial amount of small arms and ammunition and I cannot talk enough and express enough to people that at that time Mexico was an arm of the Soviet Union.

[Carl Dahl]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. There's. They had their own. Like Viva Cristo Rey was a huge thing in Mexico as well because they, the Mexican government, the forefathers of the existing soul political party in Mexico, were essentially Bolsheviks who were trying to eliminate Christianity from Mexico and they put up

[Pete]

with Trotsky living there for only so long.

[Carl Dahl]

Yes.

[Pete]

Spanish gold reserve transfers. This is so remarkable. I mean, the first time I read about this I was.

[Carl Dahl]

It's appalling.

[Pete]

I mean, I was mad. First transfer to Eurobank Paris authorized by the Republic July 24. A total of 174 tons, 27.4% of Spanish reserves sent through March 1937. These funds are used for purchases of fuel and arms from a variety of arms dealers from the Netherlands, Belgium, Czechoslovakia and Poland. The Republic's Council of Ministers authorized a transfer of remaining gold and silver reserves, 500 tons, to Moscow, September 13, 1936. The original excuse was that per Minister of Finance Juan Nagren, it would be secure there, although the Soviets claimed it in payment for arms. I think anyone who knows and has read deep enough knows that Stalin was laughing at them.

[Carl Dahl]

You know, the anarchist memoirs on this topic are incredibly interesting because they were furious because this is the point. I mean look, October, we're talking September, October 1936. The anarchist, you know, collective government, whatever you want to call it, you know, in Catalonia is like what the is happening because they realize what is taking place in their country. They realize that it's a Bolshevik takeover because there's even stories about the CNT guys planning to capture the gold reserves and then holding them in Catalonia so that they can actually pay for things that the country needs.

[Pete]

October 14, 1936. The 1st International Brigade trainees organized by the Communist International arrive in Albacete via France. The first shipment of arms from the Soviet Union reaches Cartagena. October 4th. It includes both modern and obsolete small arms and ammunition mostly. Most meaningfully, the latest T26 tanks, BT3 armored cars and quote unquote volunteers.

[Carl Dahl]

So there's a lot of like, if you'll remember from our small arms of the Spanish Civil War episode, there's a lot of obsolete like World War I and pre World War I small arms and like odd stuff. But there's tons of Maxim machine guns. And then in the T26s and the BT3s they have, they're fully outfitted with. What are, what are they? Is it the TP28 light machine guns? The, the pan fed ones? I know I'm getting those, it's dash 28, whatever it is. So there's actually a fair amount of like sophisticated brand new stuff and they start also bringing anti tank guns over. But that, but again like they took every bit of their gold and silver reserves that were left like three quarters of it and they were absolutely not delivering that level of material to them. You know, they certainly overpaid.

[Pete]

Yeah, I mean it's clear when you study it that what, what Germany and Italy were providing to the nationalists was far superior. As far as, far superior.

[Carl Dahl]

Yes.

[Pete]

And then, well, what would you expect? The republican pesetas value collapses almost immediately. September 28, Alfonso Carlos, 87 year old Carlos, leader and claimant to the throne of Spain, dies in Austria with no heir. October, the Republic's somewhat moderate government under Azania quits and hands the reins to a communist socialist coalition under Largo Caballero. The Caballero government implements universal conscription of all Spanish males between 20 and 45 in the territory they control. Sounds like Ukraine. The various party militias begin to be integrated into the Republican army command structure, which is primarily controlled by the communists. Communist red stars are incorporated into the rank insignia and political commissars were installed at the company level and up.

[Carl Dahl]

Which also means that the the other parties the other political parties are essentially suppressed in the formal government, including assassination of uppity people. Like it's completely counter to the the supposed goal, which is to have as many people as possible fighting against their enemies. But it's communist. That's what they do.

[Pete]

The previously autonomous anarchist CNC FAI chooses to put the revolution on hold and submit to Republican army in the field.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, and actually the the crazy thing is that the

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[Carl Dahl]

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[Pete]

The Hardcore Whenever anybody wants to talk about how. Oh, like Kamala Harris or like Antifa or communists like I'm sorry, yeah, go back. Go back and try to compare them to some of these people.

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[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, the most hardcore anarchist Killers, which was the Daruti column that had been heading into Aragon and got stopped by the, the Carlists were the very first to submit to the national army because they said this is what we have to do. And to be honest, they were, they were right because you know, from their perspective, not morally right. They deserved everything that they got. Daruti was killed very soon after, but they, they were correct in that like they needed to focus on fighting the war. But the war was not prosecuted sensibly by the communists, so haha, that's what they get.

[Pete]

Nationalist forces race toward. Yeah, it's so funny, you know, the communists and the anarchists, these, you know, they've this stupid religion people with their friggin mythology and everything. These dumb people really, how, how smart do they ever prove themselves to be?

[Carl Dahl]

I'm gonna say something, Pete. The word libertarian is a Spanish word. It represents the non Bolshevik oriented anarchists in Spain. Do not call yourself that if you read this history. You will not want to call yourself that when you read what these people actually were. If you do and you, and you study it and you continue to call yourself that, you deserve what's coming to you, which is to be thrown into a very large hole with a big pile of people just like you in it.

[Pete]

The. Oh, I just wanted to warn people. Bevor's battle, Battle for Spain is a great book for facts. You know, the death tolls we've already talked about or you know, but know this if you're going in. Bevor is. His sympathies lie with the libertarians.

[Carl Dahl]

You know Pete, I've seen a bunch of interviews with him. I did, I did a thread on it. My, my interpretation is that his capability in Spanish is about what mine is, which is not very good. You can read it, you can prepare a statement and pronounce things almost entirely correctly if you're reading it and reciting it and you can interact like in a day to day basis. But he was very dependent upon the Spanish academy and his editors to hand him all the material. And in 1990s and 2000s Spain like that's who ruled the roost. I mean I'm sure like looking at him, he's English, he like he cares a lot about Ukraine, so he's a libtard. I'm not having any more to drink, Pete. I will try to reign in the profanity, but it enrages me because you're, I'm trying to counter your point, but I can't. That's where his. Because, because what is it oh, well, we know communism is bad. And so now what do we do? Oh, well, let's align with this group. But it's imaginary. It's, it's a completely imaginary. It's like, you know, there's choose your own holocaust where people create their own holocaust, like, you know, hypotheticals and stuff. And it's like, no, you don't get to do that. You get to go based on the, you know, the formal official Holocaust definition. And you either agree with it or you disagree with it. You either say that's factual or not. That's the same thing with this situation. And it's true. It's choose your own Spanish Civil War. And that's what Bevor does it. And he doesn't, I wouldn't say he does it explicitly. He's not making anything up, but he does it like in, in like a sympath, sympathizing fashion where he's like choosing a theoretical, where he's like, if only this had happened, these would be the good guys. But that's not how it happened. So I, I, that was me looping back around to, and ultimately agreeing with you. You're, you're correct. He's, but it's choose your own Spanish Civil War.

[Pete]

Yeah, it's like I, he could never choose the nationalist side, so he tries to pick the least, the least worst of the, of the libtards.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. Yeah. All right.

[Pete]

Nationalist forces race toward Madrid with a goal of toppling the Republican government and ending the war quickly. Soviet forces, the International brigades and the CNT FAI's 6000 man Darutti column speed toward Madrid to intercept them after securing Soleil, though now maybe we can talk about this before we talk about the Alcazar.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah.

[Pete]

A lot of people make the argument that by choosing to go and help them at the Alcazar until they though, that if they would have went directly to Madrid, they could have saved the battle for the battle for Madrid.

[Carl Dahl]

It wouldn't have happened. I, I don't buy it. The, the other thing too is that they were, they were moving so rapidly that they had to periodically stop and consolidate and get reinforcements. They, they hook up farther north with the CAR lists and everything. I, I, it's, it's a, it's kind of a valid argument that I suspect, you know, that just doesn't play out because what would have happened is they would have been stuck in urban combat when the Soviet forces, the International Brigades and the Dirudi column arrived, which would have been, I mean, it would have been a meat grinder and they could have lost all of their forces that were there. I just, I just don't buy it. When you. When you look at it in terms of, like, the manpower involved, the equipment, the different units that. That are maneuvering around it, it's like a criticism that comes from people who are like, well, you would have gotten there before all these other people. And it's like, yeah, but then they just would have had a bloodier, bloodier combat there and very easily have been cut off, which is worse than not getting there. Right. I just don't. I just don't see it. You know, at very best, maybe they could have taken Madrid, but they wouldn't have captured the enemy leadership because it's urban combat. Urban combat is not fast.

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[Carl Dahl]

It's. It's the opposite of fast. And, and they found that out when they got there. They couldn't even get through a college campus in a couple weeks. Like, it just grounds to a halt. So I just, I just don't buy it. It. It's. It's something that people say, but when you actually step back, you're like, this is just an accusation that's being repeated.

[Pete]

So toledo is about 45 miles southwest. Ish. Of Madrid. Yeah, okay.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, 72 kilometers. It's. When you look at the actual terrain, there's a huge. Madrid is in a huge. The north end of a huge valley bordered to the. You know, almost like in an archway around it of mountain ranges. And. And Toledo is due south and a little southwest, and it's kind of hilly around it, too, so that it's not fully in that. In that plane, but it's real close to it. And so it's really easy to say that, but there was still grinding combat before they could even get to that plane. And then they got to that plane and those other units had arrived, so they had to fight their way through that. And it was not easy. So when people do this, it's. It's a. It's an easy thing to say. It's an easy thing to say if they had bypassed Toledo. But I just don't see how you bypass Toledo. I just don't see it.

[Pete]

Yeah, then you have enemy at your back and.

[Carl Dahl]

Oh, exactly. Like, a lot. So it would be really easy for them to cut their lines. And this became the successful strategy, which is you. You go in these less guarded directions and then you grind up these smaller units. That's. That was the successful nationalist strategy. And that they. They did that there, and then they tried for a Knockout blow on Madrid and failed at it. Sorry, I'll. I'll stop.

[Pete]

No, yeah. And just want to let people know if they. Yeah, you can go and Google pictures of the Alcazar and there are some amazing pictures of the destruction that was done and you, you just have to wonder how they survived. So let me read this. After securing Soledado, 45 miles, 72 kilometers from Madrid and rescuing the besieged heroes of the Alcazar, on September 28, the advancing Nationalist forces split into three prongs to encircle Madrid and establish ties with territory secured by allied forces. For more on the the battle of the the siege of the Alcazar. Listen to my reading of the Last Crusade. If you can make it through that without crying, you're a better man than me.

[Carl Dahl]

That's the episode we did together and it's. Well, that was only one of them. That was the successful end of it. But yeah, the whole. Listen to the whole thing. That's the, like the soul, the soul of the Spanish Civil War. In my opinion, the Last Crusade explains the soul and the spirit of the Spanish Civil War.

[Pete]

They advanced Throughout October. The first aerial bombardment of Madrid takes place October 23. On October 28, 15 T26 tanks engaged in the first Soviet combat operation of the war, spearheading a mixed brigade commanded by Russian trained General Lister. Sometime look up all of the. The Russian officers that were sent to. To help in the Spanish Civil War and do an early life check on them.

[Carl Dahl]

Yes.

[Pete]

The unit attacks Nash. The unit attacks. Nationalists held Cesena, 25 miles, 40 kilometers due, due south of central Madrid. The tankers equip themselves well, but outrun their infantry. And three tanks are knocked out with petrol bottle bombs prepared by nationalist defenders. The first documented use of what is later dubbed by the Finns as the Molotov cocktail. For Stalin's Minister of Foreign affairs, the engagement establishes that armor is vulnerable in urban fighting as well as to traditional artillery. The tanks, armored cars and Soviet and French aircraft flowing into Madrid slow the rush of the nationalists and end their ownership of the skies.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, and I really want to emphasize French aircraft again, Beaver. Also everyone. Oh, you know, the pro, pro Republic position is, oh, the French could have done more. And they, they were just like they were, you know, they were siding with this ridiculous, like, capitalist bourgeois, you know, neutrality thing. It's like, no, the French gave them tons of weapons, but a lot of it was that they were obsolete. And, and if you don't. The thing to keep in mind is that an aircraft made in 1927 was obsolete by 1936 compared to the latest stuff because technology was advancing so quickly so it could be useful, but it was not, it was, you know, not very good. It was, you know, they didn't last very long. Maintenance was a nightmare. Their capabilities were really poor. But the French poured tons of equipment into there and the Soviet and French aircraft were dog fighting over Madrid, you know, in October, November 1936. And so they did slow them down there. But my position, you know, per our earlier conversation, is that I don't think they would have been able to if they ignored Toledo. It would have only gained them like a day or two and it wouldn't have, it wouldn't have given them, you know, any further impetus to, to do anything, to accomplish anything. Once they hit Madrid,

[Pete]

Nationalist forces begin their assaults on the city of Madrid proper November 5 with probing attacks through the old royal hunting ground of Casa de Campo to the West. On November 6, the Republican government flees to their new capital, Valencia. Nationalist forces delay their attack until November 8th. On November 7th, militia forces find the battle plan for the following day in the pocket of a captain killed in Casa de Campo. Forces are redistributed accordingly, just in time for the arrival of the 11th International Brigade who rush to the front and help hold the city while taking 50% casualties. Is that less than, or is that roughly?

[Carl Dahl]

About. Roughly, yeah.

[Pete]

More International Brigade units arrive in the next few days and enable Republican forces to turn the battle for Madrid into a 28 month siege.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, and so yeah, these units just arrived at this point, but there's no indication that the militias and military and because there were, there were tanks on the ground there, there were like half of the tanks that the, that the Republic had were in bar were around Madrid and there were only like one or two in Barcelona, one or two in Valencia. Like most of them were around Madrid by the time, you know, a weeks before the Nationalists would have gotten there. So yeah, the.

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[Carl Dahl]

grouped by law sea terms and conditions 21 the international brigade is celebrated for keeping them out of the city. But I just don't, I just don't buy it. When you look at what urban warfare is actually like, it's not a fast process.

[Pete]

All right, we got a little more here and then we're going to, we're going to break for part Perfect Break Part 1. All right, a note on the makeup of the International Brigades. The International Brigades were organized by the Communist International, also known as Comintern. While membership was international, the Comintern was an organ of the Soviet Union under Soviet command in the interest of Soviet strategic purposes. The estimated size of the force varies with wikipedia stating from 40,000 to 59,000. The more authoritative estimates calculated by IB veterans.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, IB.

[Pete]

So International Brigade, International Brigade Veteran organizations are in the 30 to 45,000 range. Purportedly there were never more than 14,000 international brigade volunteers in Spain at any given time.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, that's, that's where that the, the number calculation comes from and where the complicating factor is. But I think, you know, the veteran organizations were very organized and there were good records and there were also Soviet archival records and stuff. So I think their numbers are better. It's not as many as like the Wikipedia figure states. It's theoretically possible that a lot of the volunteer for International Volunteer Forces are being inflated by numbers of people who came through. Like the, what was the. Oh gosh, the, the People's Olympiad that was in Barcelona at the same time as the, as the uprising where there were quite a few people who were volunteering and just like joining these groups on their own that weren't going through the IB that are inflating some of those numbers. But also Communists love inflating numbers, don't they?

[Pete]

Yeah. The Communist International claim that fully 50% of international brigade volunteers were members of the Communist Party. Other sources estimate as low as 25%. Though officers were exclusively Communist Party members,

[Carl Dahl]

exclusively

[Pete]

Jewish sources Prego 1979, Sugarman 1998 state that approximately 25% of the international Brigade members were provably Jewish, with Jews making up 38% of American volunteers, 45% of Poles, and virtually all of the Romanians. The vast majority of officers and commissars in the International Brigade were undoubtedly Jewish, as were the leaders of the Soviet missions of Spain.

[Carl Dahl]

Hey, I believe them.

[Pete]

Yeah, I choose to believe when they brag about stuff.

[Carl Dahl]

And I think it's the. Oh, gosh, is it the Jewish Encyclopedia. There's a whole bunch of sources online where they document where they literally look at the names of all the people that are put together by these IB veterans organizations and they list them and they tell the, you know, where all this comes from. And they talk about it and they say, oh, you know, it's so bad and so anti Semitic that the contribution of Jews to the International Brigades are so downplayed because people are afraid. And it's like you're, you're. You may have a high verbal iq, but I don't think you're, you know. Continue, continue, please. Keep telling us what you are actually doing.

[Pete]

Not very good strategically when it comes to horrible.

[Carl Dahl]

It's like. It's a total lack of understanding of, of humanity.

[Pete]

A note on the volunteer foreign volunteer forces supporting the nationalists. Italy. The Italian Royal Air Force Aviazione Legionaria provided 12 Savoya Marchetti 81 transport aircraft supported by Fiat CR32 fighters for the July 1936 airlift operation which carried the army of Africa and Foreign Legion across the Strait of Gibraltar to Spain. All told, the AV supplied 660 aircraft and thousands of men before the end of the war. Mussolini, Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs Ciano and General Roata launched an Expeditionary Force December 12, 1936, with RADA as commander in chief of what was later named the Corpo Tripe Voluntari. They furnished 50,000 men at the peak of operations and a total of 150 tanks and 800 artillery pieces in addition to small arms and ammunition.

[Carl Dahl]

Their contribution cannot be understated or overstated. I should say the. In terms of numbers and dead, the Italian contribution to the war was Massive.

[Pete]

The Italian Royal Navy engaged in blockade breaking, submarine operations, troop transportation and naval bombardments of Republican held coastal cities. The Luftwaffe furnished 20 Lufthansa, nominally commercial Junkers 52 transport aircraft supported by Luftwaffe. Is that Henkel? It's Henkel.

[Carl Dahl]

Right.

[Pete]

Heinkel H51 fighters for the July 1936 airlift operation which carried the army of Africa and Foreign Legion across the straight to Gibraltar to Spain. Germany's initial commitment was only the Operation Magic Fire Fjordisaber transport mission, which was then followed by an effort to train Spanish air crews, Then was expanded 9-30-1936 into a full military expedition, soon to be dubbed the Condor Legion. In addition to an expanded air wing, German ground forces were soon added to the mission, including machine gun batteries, a tank division and anti aircraft guns and anti aircraft guns. Over time, older aircraft would be transitioned to the Spanish nationalist air force. While German pilots brought the latest aircraft into the fight. The Kriegsmarine engaged in convoy escort, blockade breaking, naval bombardment and U boat operations. Portugal in the first weeks of the war, the Portuguese military attempted to form a Veriatos Legion with their own army, named for the historic Lusitanian leader Veriatus. To aid the nationalist cause due to internal political and revolutionary struggles. With their own left, the Salazar government dialed back the effort into an assistance program for volunteers for Falange and Erekete militias or the Spanish Foreign Legion. Under pressure from the International Non intervention committee, in February 1937, the Salazar government published a decree prohibiting the enlistment of volunteers on either side of the conflict. A Portuguese military observation mission was established in March 1937 to both study the conflict militarily as well as to covertly assist the 8 to 12,000 volunteers in navigating their service and post war return home. Most critically, Portugal supplied key seaports in the early days of the war, funneling armaments from abroad to the Nationalists across the border, which the Nationalists had secured in its entirety by the end of 1936.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, so the, the Portuguese contribution is. They're those men. And I don't want to downplay the contribution of 8,000 to 12,000 men. It's just for political reasons. The Portuguese government, and we see how far left the Portuguese government becomes like in the 60s and 70s, right, they were dealing with a very similar situation. Very small country, poor country, you know, collapsed in many ways. Like Spain never had the huge empire that Spain had, but it was still, you know, they, their, their fingerprints were all over the world and they had risen and fallen very sharply as well,

[Pete]

isn't that isn't that mostly because a lot, a lot of the great port, the great men of Portugal would just hop over the border and go and yeah, joins join the Spanish so that they could go overseas. And then many of them were promoted to leadership.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the, and the span, the Spanish system had an allowance for that. Like, you know, okay, you have a charter and. But the big thing was that there's seaports because as you'll recall, when, when you like when you look at the map of the seaports that the nationalists controlled, there weren't that many. You know, there was, there was the landing at Khadive and then Sevilla that they had but they, when it came to like getting supplies up to the car lists in the north, that stuff was going through Portugal because. And then as the, you know, my theory is part of the reason that it was so easy for the nationalists to move up the western side of Spain bordering Portugal is because the Portuguese government were facilitating the movement of international armaments and fuel and everything through their borders. So it was very critical for them to secure all those points. And when you read the individual stories about the battles for the cities along there, there's a lot of bitching about the Portuguese because by the libtards, because the Portuguese, they don't want a communist country right on their border. And Portugal and Spain, you know, that is a struggle that goes back for their whole history. Right. So it's, it's a really important contribution that the government did, but they had to dial it back. Like I said, it was an internal thing, but a lot of it was international. And you know, they bitch about the Salazar government as much as they bitch about the Franco government and the liptarted press. So it's very, it was a very critical contribution that the Portuguese.

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[Pete]

we're gonna stop right there because really? Yeah, because really, 1936 to 1937 is when there's a huge shift in the war. So this is almost a perfect place to stop.

[Carl Dahl]

This is like the. The jump off.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah. All right. Remind everybody where they can find your stuff.

[Carl Dahl]

I am on Twitter Codeel$. If you just look for Carl Dahl, you'll be able to find me. And also I have a substack. Karldahl.substack.com by book, I have a fictional novel about the Spanish Civil War that required like, five years of research, and I had to relearn Spanish to read, like, good source material. So I have a ton of articles about the stuff that I found out that when you Google it a lot of times, my substack is the number one result in the English language for a lot of these topics because like I said, you know, this stuff cries out to be translated into English.

[Pete]

So.

[Carl Dahl]

Thanks, Pete. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me here.

[Pete]

Hail victory until part two. I want to welcome everyone back to the Picanho Show, Part two of the Spanish Civil War with Carl Dahl. What's going on, Carl?

[Carl Dahl]

Hey, Pete. Happy Monday.

[Pete]

Happy Monday, man. Let's. Let's do this. Gonna release this tomorrow, so this will be nice and fresh for people.

[Carl Dahl]

Awesome.

[Pete]

Not like we're gonna sit on it for a while. So, yeah, let's pick up right where we left off and the bullet points came to. We just talked about Portugal and now let's just pick right up where we. Where we left off. The North Falls 1937. Madrid and its northeastern flank in Guadalajara hold against relentless assault. Franco strategic focus. The capture of Madrid leads to a grinding struggle over several months, which sees no improvement in the nationalist situation after failed nationalist offensives in Yarama and Guadalajara caused heavy Spanish and Italian casualties. Successes elsewhere, such as the taking of Malaga and a large swath of territory in southern Spain, encouraged nationalist forces to look elsewhere for more vulnerable threats. The nationalist strategy shifts mostly away from fixation upon prestige targets and toward attrition warfare.

[Carl Dahl]

And I'll point out one thing there, Pete. This is often with a asterisk, like, to the great frustration of his allies and commentators, because the, you'll, you'll see the reference. In Guadalajara, there were heavy Spanish and Italian casualties across those two battles. The Italians and the Germans wanted to smash this pass at Guadalajara. And Franco, after, you know, initial struggles, didn't think it was going to pan out. And the Italians kind of went for it anyway, dictating what the, what the strategy would be. I should say the Italians and the, and the Germans who were supporting in the air. And this really pissed off Franco and he. There's debates on whether he had committed to provide forces and didn't, or if he originally said, I don't think there's an operation there and they expected him to come save them. And it was more of a. He brought enough of a force so that they could have a controlled retreat and the Italians took heavy casualties that. So not only was it a change in their strategy, but it was one of the times, it was one of the first visible instances where his foreign allies tried to push strategic and operational moves that Franco didn't agree with. And he reigned them in and he very successfully reined them in pretty much for the rest of the war. It's a sore spot with the folks that look at the Spanish Civil War from a non Spanish focus. If their orientation is towards these allies and, and you know, I'll add a caveat that we should, you know, and do respect their sacrifices. It's still a Spanish war being run by the Spanish. So that was a very interesting thing. That is a big sticking point in pretty much all of the histories that you'll read. And it's pretty clear that it was Franco asserting himself there. It wasn't. The strategy wasn't working. And so he changed his, his strategy accordingly, which was highly successful after long periods of trying to do what they were kind of telling him to do. And it not really working.

[Pete]

Okay, all right. The war in the north. Republican forces in Basque country, cut off by land and with little resupply and reinforcement coming by sea due to blockade, are slowly whittled down by Raquete militias, the Navarre Brigade and later nationalist army columns and Italian troops in the west, entire units of Catholic Basque conscript surrender to then join their cousins in the nationalist ricketts.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, small, small point there is that the kind of the, the kind of retrospective Basque nationalist position is that, you know, oh, they were so put upon by Franco and actually the early Recites were largely Basque and they made quick converts because you could be in a labor battalion or prison camp or dead, or you could hang out with your fellow traditionalist Catholics. And the, and the Basque were. The kind of Basque nationalist piece up in Basque country was very divided between these kind of traditionalists and the, the socialists who were part of the, the real republican orientation. That was a big division between the two. And so it was an easy move to, to move over and away from the kind of. There weren't as many indignities and atrocities in the north by the, the Republic because they were tempered by this kind of traditionalist Catholic Basque, you know, the bulk of the population. But they still weren't big fans of those people. And especially as you pointed out the last time we talked, Pete, like they would just tell you what they thought, right? Like nobody was mincing words. And so the, the Catholics very quickly saw the light and came over to the, the Recites and the Navarre Brigade because it was a much better deal for them than persisting in the delusion that they could, that they could win.

[Pete]

All right. Combined arms operations, coordination between ground troops, armor and aviation are born, enabled by improvements in and availability of mobile radios. One of the Republic's greatest errors in the north is reliance upon press ganged monarchist engineers in the development of defensive fortifications around Basque Country. Captain Pablo Murga is executed November 19, 1936 for providing plans of the fortifications to an Austrian consul, Wilhelm the Walkenig, who is himself arrested and executed by The Republic on February 27, 1937. Captain Alejandro Goyco. A

[Carl Dahl]

good job.

[Pete]

Who. Yeah, well, you, you put the pronunciation there.

[Carl Dahl]

Who you have to.

[Pete]

Who only wants to work on trains. Crosses the front with a group of Carla sympathizers. In a pre arranged surrender of the 4th Brigade of Navarre. He delivers detailed plans on the fortifications around Bilbao, known alternately as the Iron Belts in Spanish, the Iron Ring in English and the iron French offense in Basque. Iron Belt hits hardest. Sorry, guys. Including the locations of vulnerabilities he deliberately engineered into its construction.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, so it's, it's a, it's. This is a story that like you'll just get this little brief thing that he went over in, in your kind of English Language summary, histories. But the Spanish material that Goeko A hair was like a big wheel in Spain for decades and a major player in transportation and the like. His, his, his innovations are everywhere today and a lot of them are becoming fulfilled as technology and metallurgy and stuff advances. I have a fun little article about him on my sub stack for anyone who's interested. But he literally just wanted to work on trains and they wouldn't let him. He will. He would say this like up to his death. Total autist. And all anyone wants to talk about in interviews. The rare interview with him in Spanish television in the 60s and 70s is about this period in history. And all he wants to talk about is trains. He's so delightful.

[Pete]

That's really cool. Someone who knows what his strength then is just like. And just. This is. This is my lane. I'm staying in it.

[Carl Dahl]

He called himself an enemy of war. And so the fact that they tried to make him participate in a war that he opposed. He's just swore eternal hostility to them. But he also just set it out of his mind.

[Pete]

Now freed from distraction, Goeko Ehea is set loose to work on transportation infrastructure projects for the nascent nationalist government. He goes on to revolutionize rail transportation with his Talgo trains. And his innovations still see fruition as technology catches up to his brilliant mind. Was given a great deal of leeway by Francisco Franco who saw him and his inventions as exemplars of Spanish science and industry. While aerial bombings of urban areas are carried out by both the nationalist and republican forces throughout Spain, atrocity propaganda reaches its 20th century pinnacle when military targets in the historic Basque city of Guarnac. Is it pronounced Guernica?

[Carl Dahl]

Guernica, yeah.

[Pete]

Guernica, yeah. Are bombed by German and Italian aircraft in addition to Republican soldiers. Many civilians are killed and much of the town destroyed. Red journalist George Steer passes on and is reporting from the scene. The inflated figure of 1654 killed and 889 wounded. Although current consensus driven by thorough post Franco investigators is a mere 153 deaths. Nationalist press liaisons reveal their ineptitude by first blowing off the claims of having bombed the city at all. Blaming the destruction entirely upon retreating Republican forces. Standard forces a standard tactic of demolishing corridors as both a delaying tactic and a temper tantrum. When in fact the Luftwaffe documented their bombing occupy operation in great detail.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, it's a. It's. This is one of the most complicated elements of the war overall. And so I. And it's really unfortunate that the nationalists like just completely denied it, or I should say the nationalist press liaisons completely denied it. But it, it did happen. But again, a lot of it was very clearly Republican. A lot of the damage was Republican behavior as well. It was. It was their M.O.

[Pete]

all right. Side note, Pablo Picasso's now famous painting Guernica, said to have shook up the world at the 1937 Paris's World Fair as a protest against the senseless bombings of the historic Basque city for no reason by evil Mustache man, had actually been a flop disdained by the global public, the Spanish and the Basque. A heavy propaganda campaign persisted with the piece touring Great Britain in 1938's a little fanfare. A 1939 tour of the United States with the Spanish relief campaign saw critics continue to dismiss it. Only during a wildly successful touring show of a large Picasso collection begun in New York in November 1939, as war raged in Europe, that the propaganda campaign finally succeeded in elevating this piece to its now historically relevant position. It is alleged in older pieces that Guernica was originally inspired by inspired by the Peninsular War as a general commentary on war and repurposed by Spanish Republican propagandists after the bombing.

[Carl Dahl]

And I'm trying to find exactly where I've seen that. I've seen it in multiple places. I know Kemp makes a reference to it, I've seen it in other written records, but I'm having trouble finding it now, which is the joy of having read so many pieces. So that's something I'm going to correct. And once I find it, I think I'll have a an article on my sub stack about the all these kind of controversies and arguments about Guernica and just the fact that the propaganda campaign finally succeeded once World War II was kicking off. But that was hugely due to just like media promotion of it, because they tried and tried and tried, as you've explained. And it finally took when World War II had already started.

[Pete]

In a typically courageous and honorable move, Riketze forces from the Tercio of Begonia first to capture Guernica two days after the bombing, encircled the historic tree of Guernica and protected from falungists from other parts of Spain who wished to fell the symbol of Basque nationalism under which the lords of Biscay swore their oaths to the fueros for 500 years.

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CTS and C's 21 plus sponsored by Chumba Casino yeah, so it, it's actually a, a fun story in a true story that came out of written records from veterans of the Navarre Brigades that this happened and a nice little fist fight between officers ensued. So yeah, it's, it's, it's one of these very interesting sore spots where the, the kind of. The respect for the various expressions of locality, as long as they didn't actually undermine the collective nationalism were kind of settled during the war.

[Pete]

The Creto 4-19-1937 the Falange and Carlos Riquetes are formally unified into the Falange Espanola Tradicianolista y de las Juntas de Offensiva Nacional Syndicalista.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, it's a, it's a brutal mouthful, but it's literally just. They take the, the traditionalist group and then smush around it like envelop the traditionalist party name with Falange. And then it was the following Gay de Las Jones. Right. And so they just crammed everything together and it's. Everyone like laughs about it but, but the real point of it is what, what follows

[Pete]

One party, one army, one state fist and Carlist units still fight under the command of their own officers and are allowed to use their own symbols through the end of the war. But the militias are fully incorporated into the nationalist army's command and logistic structure.

[Carl Dahl]

And post war, they're able to use those symbols as well, you know, and then from then on, so the veterans organizations, you know, wear those colors. But after the war, the military is stand. Spanish military is standardized where it's strictly the symbols that the leadership selects. So it was a, a tip of the hat to, you know, how they got there. And rather than trying to suppress one or the other, it was, you know, a pretty small, A small, pretty small move to, to allow people to, to keep their symbols. Because keep in mind, Franco was non ideological. These groups may have been ideological, although I would guess that most of the actual fighters weren't particularly ideal ideological other than like the outcomes that they were trying to get. So it's just, it's a very big thing for us all to think about as we go into this new world.

[Pete]

The May days in Catalonia, fighting between the more libertarian anarchists, the communists and the Bentley cnc fal. Is that fai, right?

[Carl Dahl]

Faith, yeah.

[Pete]

Ends in republican consolidation of power over Catalonia and a renewed focus upon the collective fight against the nationalists. As is tradition, this translates into the communist forces forcing the less radical and libertarian elements to submit or die. The decree to unify the militias went out in 1936, but the rule became de facto during the course of 1937 with the Brigidas Mixta mixed brigades combining militias and the remains of international brigades with regular army troops. The last of the holdouts are liquidated by commissars and, and for the average,

[Carl Dahl]

for the average person in one of these militias, like they're just going to get with the program. But it was the. The commissars were going after the particularly the, the anarchists did not have commissars per se, but they had kind of natural leaders who would, you know, you know, spit game as, as, as it were regarding what their ideology was. And those people were just eliminated if they didn't just shut up and get with the program. So you see the comparison where under the nationalists, you're allowed to keep your symbols and your, you know, your songs and your talking points as long as you're part of the operation. Whereas with the Republicans, like, the ideology is the important thing. The symbols are the important thing.

[Pete]

Right? June 3, 1937. General Mola, commander of the armies of the north and champion of the Carlist traditionalists, perishes in an airplane accident. June 19 Bilbao, the capital of Biscaya, falls to the nationalists after months of heavy fighting. July 6th. In an attempt to seize nationalist territory and divert their forces in the north, the republican army launches an offensive west of Madrid, forced upon brunette. Republican forces are ultimately routed at a loss of 25,000 men.

[Carl Dahl]

And this will become a pattern when the. When the republicans attempt an offensive.

[Pete]

August 24th. To the east, in Aragon, Republican forces conceive of an offensive internationalist territory in the direction of Zaragoza, the province's capital. In a grinding battle against heavy resistance, the offensive stalls for propaganda purposes, the Republic and their tame gay retard. Journalist Ernest Hemingway dubbed the failed offensive the Battle of Bill

[Carl Dahl]

Shete.

[Pete]

Yeah, Belchite. Belchite being the destroyed town that they finally capture on September 6th. Despite the resistance of both nationalist and civilian defenders, the republican price for a bit of strategically useless territory is nearly 9,000 casualties and a heavy loss in equipment. August 26th. The City of Santander falls to nationalist troops supported by a substantial force of Italians. 60,000 Republican soldiers are captured. October 21st. Gihon Astorias, the last toehold of the Republic in the north, falls to the nationalists. The nationalist army, fresh from victory in the north, retools and reorganizes with new equipment and tactical capabilities. The Republican army, fresh from getting wrecked, retools and reorganizes under its ideologically pure communist officers trained in Russia.

[Carl Dahl]

So if you look at the timeline, just to kind of summarize what.

[Pete]

Where we.

[Carl Dahl]

What brought us here when the. When the war kicks off at the very beginning, you know, the nationalists only hold the territory that they hold. There's that kind of band in the northern areas, not counting, you know, Basque country, and then Little Toe Holds. And then towards the end of 1936 and 1937, it's consolidation of these holdings kind of in a westward flank and slowly, slowly whittling away and making gains. All the kind of militias had to do before the nationalist. You know, the bulk of nationalist forces coming from the army of Africa is hold these territories, and then what do they do? They continue to hold them. The army continues to hold these territories, and then they just grind out the north. A lot of that, though, again, like I made reference to, is a lot of it is. Is large Basque forces going over and basically, you know, continuing to wear the red beret, just as recites and nationalist troops. So it's. It's a big focus. The rest of the republican forces are kind of just trying to hold on to what they have and consolidate into a single force and just failing anytime they they try to do any kind of offensive operations.

[Pete]

Teruel December 37 February through February 1938 the Republican army, desperate for a successful battle and needing to secure the Nationalist most obvious gateway to the south, drove into the remote capital during heavy snowfall. Nationalist forces prudently withdraw into the most defensible part of town, but General Franco orders that it be retaken. No provincial capital can fall to the Republicans due to the coldest winter in 20 years. The Nationalist response stalls and a relief force is not able to attack until December 29. Worsening weather the temperature drops to 0 degrees Fahrenheit, minus 18 Celsius, and 4ft 120 centimeters of snow falls keeps aviation largely grounded and prevents the Nationalists from retaking the city. The besieged Nationalist Defenders surrender on January 8, which allows the civilian populations to be evacuated through Nationalist lines. The weather eases up and the nationalists, now 100,000 strong in the immediate area, begins to capture territory around the city where Republican forces are weakest. On February 7, one of the last mass cavalry charges in the history of warfare breaks the Republican defenses to the north of the town and scatters them. The Nationalists take thousands of prisoners and massive stocks of weapons and equipment. They slowly encircle Terruel Some people think

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Over the following weeks, when they take the city on February 22, they capture 14, 500 men and some of the best weapons left in the Republican arsenal. While both sides take similar similarly heavy casualties from combat, illness and the cold, the defeat breaks the back of the Republican army while the Nationalists immediately launch a new offensive.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, the, the, the other thing here too, focusing on the weapons and equipment that are captured, this is like armor. So the Nationalists really enjoyed taking captured Soviet tanks and armored cars and the like guns, anti tank guns, etc. They preferred them in a lot of cases because they were so simple and easy to train with, whereas like a lot of the German stuff, they'd have complicated optics that were more complicated than necessary from, you know, when you're talking about the ranges that are involved in an effective range for like an anti. Anti tank gun. Right. So it's really interesting because the, the Nationalists immediately put this, these weap weapons to use. They have fuel and they have people to operate them, whereas the Republic, you know, is, you know, they have to get things delivered by sea or coming over the border from France. And you know, the, the Soviets are, are pretty stingy after their initial deliveries of armor and a lot of more modern stuff. So it just becomes this, this grind where this, this becomes the repeated pattern that you just continue to see for the rest of the year.

[Pete]

Let me ask you a question. Back in the middle of the paragraph, it says the besieged Nationalist Defenders surrender on January 8, which allows the civilian population to be evacuated through the Nationalist lines. What do you mean by surrender there?

[Carl Dahl]

Okay, so they, they gave up the, the last of their toehold in the city. So what they, what they did is they held a position, they held positions and allowed the population to retreat because they had a connection to their own lines by having, because remember they, they secured all this territory around the outskirts of the city. So they just pulled out of the city. You know, these just completely annihilated remnants of the, the town. You can see images of it online and then the last of them that were that ended up being trapped farther into and encircled, you know, within. Within the town. They surrendered and then the retaking of the town happened because what. What would take place is the. The Republicans were so focused on we have to take the town, whereas the Nationalists had this more long term strategic view of what do we actually get. So they. So they did have a lot of holdouts that were captured or killed. They wanted the population to be able to get out through channels that they had established with the contact that the Nationalists had made with them. They didn't have enough forces to rush in and it wasn't worth it to try to, you know, hold more of the town or fight when they could withdraw and then, you know, isolate those people.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Carl Dahl]

It's interesting that there's. There's great wiki Wikipedia articles on it with good maps.

[Pete]

Oh, cool. All right. Note, in February 1939, one of the last official acts of the Republican government is the execution of the commander of the Nationalist Defenders of Teruel, Radar Court, along with the Bishop of Teruel and 41 other heroic prisoners who held out for so long. Man. Yeah, they just, they. They loved killing people.

[Carl Dahl]

They're. That's all they are. Yeah. So you. You hold out and so what do they do? They hold them. They hold them as prisoners for a while and then. And it was literally the repub. The leadership of the Republican government said to execute them. You know, our democracy. Yeah, yeah.

[Pete]

When it comes down to it, these are the. These are the people that. The spiritual brothers and sisters of the ones that won World War II.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah.

[Pete]

And, yeah, we been so fucking brainwashed into. Well, you know, Hitler was worse than them. So, you know, it's a good thing they didn't. It's a good thing we have to choose one, apparently. So let's take, you know, let's take the ones that brought us trans kids and you know, all the fucking shit that we put up with now.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pete]

These are the spiritual forefathers of everything that we're dealing with now.

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The shift of focus into Aragon underscores Franco's intent to ignore Madrid for the time being and instead smash the Spanish Republican army through attrition rather than attempt a knockout blow which frustrates his German and Italian allies. Though it certain, though it better serves Franco's goal of cleansing Spain.

[Carl Dahl]

Because you need a lasting victory. You need a lasting victory.

[Pete]

Yeah. You know what's funny is I was listening to John Harris on the Conversations that Matter podcast, Christian podcast. He was interviewing Paul Gottfried today. And you understand why Paul Gottfried is ignored. I mean, hated by the left but also ignored by the right when he starts talking about solutions.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah.

[Pete]

And he says, you know, the only way forward is the left in this country has to be utterly defeated.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah.

[Pete]

There can't be a trace of them left. There can't be a trace of whatever it is that they're pushing and they believe left and there's on the right. Can't hear that.

[Carl Dahl]

There's an interesting thing that takes place nowadays when you talk about the Spanish Civil War is there's people that are upset that Franco didn't just like, murder all of them, which he wasn't going to do anyway because of his religious convictions. This is as close as you're going to get. I remember you and I were talking, oh gosh, some time ago, and you made a Reference to a quote that had been attributed to Franco where he said something like he was willing to shoot like 20% of the country or have 20% of the country shot, something like that. And what it, what it was a reference to is the percentile of hardcore revolutionaries that were in the country. And so when you see what happened with the war when they turned it into, oh, well, you know, we can resolve this through combat operations. It's this great heat sink where all the zealots are going to be fighting the people who are, you know, just kind of along because that's the, you know, the thing or because they get drafted or, you know, they're told that it's the norm, you know, they're not really going to be a problem in the future and can just be dealt with. They can, they'll get back to work and so on and so forth. But those real enemies were the ones that were annihilated, you know, through, through combat. And so, you know, it. The main thing with Spain is that it's, you know, no man is an island, no country is completely isolated. You know, the external world moved on. You know, the United States State Department sure whittled away on the Franco government and the like. So it's one of those criticisms where they did pretty much the best that they could. There was no scenario where you get a, a great cleansing that the same people will also accurately state did not happen in Germany, but somehow will wish that they had done it or as a critique right of Spain. And it's like there was no scenario where that was going to happen. The, the outside world wouldn't have allowed it either, particularly the British.

[Pete]

On March 7, the nationalists launched the Aragon offensive and steamroll south through Aragon, eastern Valencia province and western Catalonia. In no small part due to strong support from German, Italian and Spanish ground attack aircraft. Left, the beleaguered Republicans are slowly mopped up. And the Nationalists reach the Mediterranean Sea on April 14. By April 19, they control 37 miles, 60 kilometers of coastland. And Catalonia has been isolated from the rest of the republic.

[Carl Dahl]

And I made that reference to combined arms operations before, and they were born before, but they really become polished in the Aragon offensive. It's, there's really very interesting write ups from the German perspective on how they kind of established the doctrine that we saw a lot of in World War II by the Germans. It was just, it was really impressive. And it comes down to having more portable radios and communications between forward air controller aircraft. I mean, the United States uses the same doctrine today. I mean, not exactly the same, but you know what I mean.

[Pete]

France's government reopens the Spanish frontier March 17 and sends 18,000 tons of war material into Catalonia with a new round of conscription for males age 16 and up and retreating forces consolidated. Catalonia's remaining manpower is organized into the Ebro army. May the Republican government defended in Valencia behind the impressive XYZ or Matayana line fortifications ringing the city and surrounding Iberian system. Mountain range SUES FOR PEACE General Franco declines and demands unconditional surrender.

[Carl Dahl]

So they were very impressive defensive fortifications, and they sued for peace because they knew what a, you know, what a nightmare it would be for the nationalists to try to grind through it. And they were trying. They were trying, but that wasn't. That wasn't going to happen. There was not. It was not going to be a split country.

[Pete]

The BATTLE OF THE EBRO THE FALL OF THE Republic the Nationalists, focused upon Valencia hold the Catalonian front along the Ebro river with a light complement of units and little fortification. Condor Legion reconnaissance flights and Spanish Legion scouts on the ground alert Nationalist forces to a Republican troop buildup along the Ebro River. The standard English language historians take is the warning went unheeded. But some military analysts and Spanish sources claim that the resulting assault was permitted the night of July 4th. The night of July 24th through 25th, while the moon is down, the Ebro army, consisting of the 5th and 15th Army Corps, crosses the Ebro river at low points or via assault boats, pontoon bridges and some established crossings along the river's eastern bulge, where Aragon and Catalonia meet a natural border defined by the river and surrounding mountains. At Amposta, to the south, near the river near the sea, where the river is wider and swifter, a secondary assault by the 14th International Brigade fails after 18 hours of combat. By July 26, the northern assault advances three miles west and at the great eastward bulge 21 miles northwest, deep into mountainous territory, Nationalist reinforcements sweep in with eight divisions and more than 240 aircraft to encircle and hold the oncoming Republican troops, driving them off the navigable roads and destroying their vehicles. Republican infantry and tanks arrive via the northern route on the outskirts of their target, the town of Gondessa, a great crossroads by which they hope to break through the narrow Nationalist salient and reach Republican territory to the west. Their ultimate delusion. You comment delusional goal?

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah.

[Pete]

Is to either. Is to either secure concessions by forcing the surrender of trap Nationalist forces along the coastline or to reinforce Madrid and hold out for. For international support.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, completely delusional. They were they were cut off from the Valencia. Valencia was not quite encircled, but the eastern, eastern and northern areas were, were very heavily fortified. Not fortified, but surrounded by nationalist troops who were attacking. The breakout was very ill conceived. And so looking at a map, there's essentially this bulge that I describe where you could see at the farthest westernmost point, they made it about three miles and then going, if you count going up through the bulge, 21 miles northwest. So again, they're trapped in the mountains in this little tiny point with hundreds of thousands of men there. And it's just a horrifically idiotic attempt. Last attempt for an assault.

[Pete]

Yeah, people should understand books have been written just about this. Yeah, yeah.

[Carl Dahl]

The, the, the action in my novel, like one of the most pivotal points takes place during this operation just because it's so incredibly interesting and it's very scenic and beautiful too, down there.

[Pete]

They are too late. General Franco orders the Ebro river dams at Tremp and Camarasa open. The deluge takes the Republican pontoon boats out of action for four days. And the bridges, supply lines and truck depots along the river are bombed and strafed by nationalist aviation. While trucks make it across to bridges towing artillery and transporting troops, they are not able to establish supply lines back across the river and are destroyed in great numbers, as are the supporting gun batteries and supply depots. On the eastern side of the river. Only 22 tanks and a small number of artillery pieces had crossed the ebro. And nearly 80,000 Republican troops now trapped west of the river have only the supplies they can carry to survive in the heat of the Spanish summer.

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[Carl Dahl]

Well, I mean it's, it's insane, but they were basically like do not come back or we'll shoot at you there. There were several points where that was made. They relaxed that later on after they got spanked so badly. But it was, it's really just insane and shows who you're talking about. There was no strategic value or chance of this succeeding. Just completely delusional. And that's where the, that's where the argument about it, the attack probably being somewhat allowed to happen, you know, versus it being such a big surprise because I mean it's one of those things that people will debate forever, you know, but just seems so such an obviously stupid operation. But they, you know, thanks to, you know, aviation surveillance and the like, you know, plenty knew that it was going to happen.

[Pete]

Republican forces never break through into Gandesa and suffer heavy casualties as its outskirts and hills immediately overlooking the town. Thanks to the seasoned Nationalist military's combined arms attack. By August, most of the Republic's aircraft are swept from the sky and the Nationalists achieve total air superiority. The first Nationalist counteroffensive is launched against a small northernmost pocket near Faion, which drives entrenched Republicans across the river at a loss of 900 men and 200 precious brand new machine guns. The next day, August 11th, the Nationalists drive into the Pandos mountain range and capture much of the high ground. The Ebro dams are opened again, destroying the remaining pontoon bridges and six Nationalist divisions sweep into the height heights of Gaeta over five days of fighting. At this point, Franco's ally Mussolini, fingers clenched, no doubt in a Rude gesture states that Franco does not know how to make war and doesn't want to, unlike Mussolini. And you put too soon. Franco's strategy secures peace in his country for nearly 40 years as the enemies of Spain are blasted a machine gun in the mountains over the next three months. On September 21, the International Brigade, so those who are still alive throw their hands up and formally withdraw from Spain having sustained 25% fatalities in their two years in Spain. Is that s for spit?

[Carl Dahl]

Yes, yes.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Carl Dahl]

That. Yeah, yeah, that, that was the operation. The international brigades were always used as shock troops, if you'll recall. In that very, the very first like two days of one of their units getting to Madrid. They, they had something like 25% fatalities or casualties in two days. They were always the ones thrown into the assault because they were under, basically under command of Soviet fanatics, communist commissars and officers who saw them as completely disposable. It was international Bolshevism, you know, just taking, taking their lives and, and throwing them into this fight. The very end of them was the battle of the Ebro. And they just, the, the leadership, they were completely broken by this. No, there was no way that they could get more people to volunteer. They couldn't get people to go back. They, they were. If you read any of the, the records written in the memoirs written by those people who I do not speak of in high esteem, they were just completely shattered by this. It was stupid and they just got annihilated.

[Pete]

By November 16, the last Republican forces on the right bank of the Ebro escape at Flicks. Both sides suffer massive casualties in the battle of Ebro. Although the figures are difficult to estimate, it's likely that Republican casualties number 75,000 with 30,000 dead. Additionally, the majority of the military relevant arms in Catalonia are lost in the battle. The nationalists too take approximately 60,000 casualties, though almost certainly fewer than 10,000 dead. But among them are their very best frontline officers and their armor and trucks are severely worn out from temporary. From the tempo of mountain maneuver and combat.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, that can't be understated just because again, these are hardened veterans that had mastered these combined arms operations. Rapid response. They were just worn out. So things get quiet for a while while everyone kind of retools.

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The Condor Legion withdraws most of its ground forces from the field and shifts a significant portion of their air crews to Germany due to tensions in Czechoslovakia. Here we go.

[Carl Dahl]

Yep.

[Pete]

Germany's German aid is paused in mid September as Germany and Spain negotiate compensation. They settle upon granting Germany an interest in the output of Spanish mines. New aircraft B.F. 109 E's H.E. 111 E.S. and J's and H.S. 126 A's reinforce the Legion and enable it to close out the war in a primary aviation role. And the older equipment is sold to Spain during the Legion before the Legion returns to Germany in May 1939.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, so all of the most modern German equipment is being proven in combat but is then handed off to the Spanish. Sold to the Spanish because again, like, there's more coming out of German factories and the latest and greatest is always coming and they're Iterating based on their operational observations. In Spain,

[Pete]

after rest repair and restructuring, fresh troops are brought in for the invasion of Catalonia. In late December 1939, Catalonia is captured against hardly any resistance. By early February, hundreds of thousands of Spanish refugees crowd the camps in southern France. February 27 the UK and France formally recognized the Franco government. March 5 the Republican army rises against the Prime Minister Negrin and forms the National Defense Council to negotiate peace with Franco. Communist troops in Madrid attempt to continue the war are squashed in street fighting by their former allies. March 26 the Nationalists advance from all sides towards Madrid. March 28 Madrid surrenders almost bloodlessly. March 31 the Nationals control all Spanish territory. April 1 Franco proclaims Leguera es al final. The war is at its end after accepting the surrender of the last republican forces. The cost combat dead figures vary but range between 150 and 200,000 killed in action on both sides. Both sides. Ramon Salas Authoritative 1977 study calculates 165367 total combat dead.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, Lorenzo Ball is very interesting. There's several websites online with his, with his records and methodology in them, his sources for everything. He used every source that he could find and went through Spanish records just in exhausting minutia. And he also compared it to pre war and post war numbers where he wasn't like 100% sure. So when you, when you talk about the cost of the war, it's a big topic. And so he's pretty much the best source that I've seen. And what keeps happening, and I think we talked about this a little bit last time, is that, you know, the, during this truth and reconciliation regime that's taking place in Spain, they'll say, oh well, we think that these are, you know, we're going to lean on what the Republican numbers were and then as they actually go through and reconcile it, it just squares up with the numbers that Lorenzo Ball put together almost 50 years ago. So

[Pete]

I think most people would be, if you look at that number, 165,000 in just a civil war in Spain, in Europe, in Europe in the 20th century. That's, I mean, and World War II, obviously we don't. Could be 40 million, could be 20 million.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pete]

It's impossible to tell. But this warm up, I mean this is basically, you know, what, what I like to refer to as World War I and a half is just absolute insanity and absolute.

[Carl Dahl]

The pot, the total population from 0 to 100. Right. Of Spain at the time was about 25 million in.

[Pete]

Yeah. Executions and murders. Salas Lorenzo calculates that from 1936 to 1939 there were 72,344 non combat executions and murders in Republican territory in nationalist Spain. From 1936 to 1950, the figure was 57,662, with 16,763 judicially governed executions in the first two years of the war and 5,878 more over the next ten years. Non hysterical academics such as Bevor use these figures.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, it's very important because like you notice, I made a distinction. The Nationalists, there were just like executions and murders, you know, with no judicial procedure. And then there were pretty severe judicial procedure numbers that followed. But again, these are being carried out against the people that largely committed these atrocities on the other side. So it's like if you find someone that murdered 10 people and you shoot them after a fair trial. That's a number that's here, but like, good, right?

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah. Additional civilian dead, again, per Silas Laranzabal. Taking into account demographic comparisons over long stretches of time to exclude projected deaths due to natural causes, accidents, typical losses from disease, etc, and verified against documented wartime records, he arrives at an excess loss of 300,000 civilian lives due to disease, hunger, lack of medicine, etc. Which would have been avoidable in peacetime. Interestingly, 1935 under the Republic had significantly elevated death due to hunger and disease in southern Spain, likely related to the disruption caused by land reform and resulting poor harvests. Interestingly, Celeste Lorenzobal notes that the otherwise expected 557,185 children calculated to not having been born during the war years hurt Spanish demographics far worse than the losses from all other causes.

[Carl Dahl]

And so if you think about what that means when you talk about unjust, like look at our situation demographically in America right now. You have crime, elevated crime and murder, right? You have massive suicide, drug overdoses, deaths related to that, deaths of despair.

[Pete]

Right.

[Carl Dahl]

Think of all the people that are that, that are not having children right now because of the hell that a certain group of people are pushing on us and what that does to us and our strength. So when you get revenge, theoretically, lawfully, legally, keep that in mind as well. We should have double the numbers that we have.

[Pete]

Refugees, excluding those who fled Spain at their own accord before or during the war. About 500,000 Spanish became refugees in the final days of the war, with 450,000 fleeing Catalonia for France. In February 1939, the French separated military age men from the civilians and established open air internment camps. Over time, refugees were redistributed to different facilities. About 300,000 refugees returned to Spain within a few months, where they were sorted by the Franco regime between innocent civilians and those destined for internment camps, labor battalions or prisons. These returnees were handled according to their role in the war, with those who committed atrocities executed while mere participants in the war. Draftees and generic leftists saw their sentences quickly commuted. About 30,000 of the refugees who remained in France soon emigrated to Latin America, with most going to Mexico. 160 to 180,000 remained in France in labor battalions. Thousands of communist and anarchist militants enjoyed the hospitality of the concentration camps of the Vichy and German governments. The Soviet Union accepted a few thousand prominent Republican communists, but not the hoi polloi.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, so you. I remember you were talking about Mexico last time. Yep, that's that. Mexican government brought in quite a few of these refugees, and most of the anarchists from Catalonia ended up in Mexico. I mean, take that with a grain of salt. But the of the ones who wrote memoirs, an awful lot of them ended up coming back to France, you know, after World War II or just stayed in Mexico. But huge numbers of those kind of apparat chicks and members of the government and talking heads who could not go back to Spain under Franco ended up in Mexico.

[Pete]

Yeah. Wonder how many of them went and said hello to Mr. Trotsky.

[Carl Dahl]

Probably an awful lot of them.

[Pete]

April 14th. Pope Pius XII addresses the Spanish faithful with immense joy. With great joy. We address you, most dear children of Catholic Spain, to address to you our fatherly congratulations for the gift of peace and a victory with which God has deemed worthy to crown the Christian heroism of your faith and charity tried in so many and so generous sufferings. Our predecessor, our A venerable memory expected with longing and trust this providential peace which is undoubtedly the fruit of that copious blessing which he sent in the very beginning of the struggle to all those who have devoted themselves to. To the difficult and dangerous task of defending and restoring the rights and honor of God and religion. And we do not doubt that this space shall be the one that he himself foretold since then the sign of a future of tranquility and order and of honor and prosperity. The designs of Providence, most beloved children, have once again dawned over heroic Spain. The nation chosen by God as the main instrument of the evangelization of the New World and as an impregnable fortress of the Catholic faith has just shown to the apostles of materialistic atheism of our century the greatest evidence that the eternal values of religion and of the Spirit stand above all things. The tenacious propaganda and the constant efforts of the enemies of Jesus Christ seem to have desired to try in Spain a supreme experiment of the dissolving forces which they have at their disposal throughout the world. And even though it is true that the Almighty has for now not allowed them to achieve their goal, he has at least tolerated some of their terrible effects so that the world could see how religious persecution, undermining the very basis of justice and charity, which are love for God and respect for his holy law, may drag modern society's unthinkable abysses of evil, destruction and passionate discord. Convinced of this truth, the same Spanish people with the two marks characteristic of their most noble spirit, which are generosity and frankness, rose up determinedly in defense of the ideals of Christian faith and civilization deeply rooted in the Spanish soil and aided by God, who does not abandon those who hope in him, could resist the push as Judah 13 and 17, sorry Protestants, could resist a push for those who deceived by what they believe to be a humanitarian ideal of the exaltation of the meditation, truly fought only for atheism. Yes, the primordial meaning of your victory makes us dwell in the most promising hopes that God, in His mercy, will Dane. Will Dane lead Spain from the safe path, through the safe path of his traditional and Catholic grandeur, which will be the point that will guide all Spaniards who love their religion and their fatherland, in an effort to organize the life of the nation in perfect harmony with its most noble history of Catholic faith, piety and civilization. We thus exhort the authorities and shepherds of Catholic Spain to enlighten the mind of those who were deceived, showing them lovingly the roots of materialism and secularism from which their errors and wrongful acts came forth, and from which they could spring forth again. Propose to them the principles of individual and social justice, without which the peace and prosperity of nations, as mighty as they may be, cannot subsist, and which are those contained in the Holy Gospel and in the doctrine of the Church. We do not doubt that it will happen thus. And the basis for our firm hope are the most noble and Christian sentiments of which the Chief of state and so many gentlemen, his faithful collaborators, have given unequivocal, unequivocal evidence with the legal protection which they have granted to the supreme religious and social interests according to the teachings of the Apostolic See. The same hope is also founded upon the enlightened zeal and abnegation of your bishops and priests, tempered by pain and also in the faith, piety, and spirit of sacrifice, of which in terrible hours all classes of Spanish society gave heroic proof.

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And now, before the remembrance of the mountain ruins of the bloodiest civil war recorded in the history of modern times, we with PR regard, bow our head above all to the holy memory of the bishops, priests, religious of both sexes, and faithful of all ages and conditions, who in such an elevated number, sealed with blood their faith in Jesus Christ and their love for the Catholic religion. Majoram ha delect delection I haven't taken

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We also acknowledge our debt of gratitude towards all Those who sacrifice themselves, even under heroism, in defense of the unalienable rights of God and of religion, either in the battlefields or devoted to the sublime work of Christian charity in prisons and hospitals. We cannot hide the bitter sorrow that the remembrance of so many innocent children who, having been ripped from their homes, were taken to faraway lands, often in danger of apostasy and perversion. We desire nothing more ardently than to see them return to the bosom of their families, where they will once again find the warm and Christian tenderness of their own. And those others who, as prodigal sons, wish to return to the house of the Father. We doubt not they will be welcomed with goodwill and love. It falls upon you, venerable brothers of the Episcopate, to advise all so that in their policy of pacification all will follow the principles taught by the Church and proclaimed with such nobility by the Generalissimo. Generalissimo of justice for crime and of lenient generosity for the mistaken. Our solicitude also, as a father, cannot forget these deceived ones whom a deceitful and perverse propaganda succeeded in enticing with praise and promises. Your pastoral solicitude should be targeted at them with patience and meekness. Pray for them, seek them, lead them again to the regenerative bosom of the Church and to the warmth of the Fatherland, and lead them to the merciful Father, who awaits them with open arms. Therefore, most dear children, since the rainbow of peace has returned to brighten the heavens of Spain, let us come together heartily in a fervent hymn of thanksgiving to the God of peace, and in a prayer of forgiveness and mercy for all those who perished. And in order that this peace be fruitful and long lasting, we exhort you with all the fervor of our heart to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:2,3. Thus united and obedient to your venerable Episcopate, devote yourselves joyfully and with no delay to the urgent work of reconstruction which God in the Fatherland expect from you. As a pledge of the copious graces which the Immaculate Virgin and St. James, the Apostle patrons of Spain, shall obtain for you, and which the great Spanish saints have merited for you. We bestow upon you our dear children of Catholic Spain, upon the Chief of State and his illustrious government, upon the zealous Episcopate and their selfless clergy, upon the heroic combatants and upon all the faithful, our apostolic blessing. Pius XII Paxin Christe Victoria eterna. Amen.

[Carl Dahl]

And I had to close it with that. Because after you look at all the numbers, after you hear about just brutal combat all over the whole country, Spain was a smoking hole in the ground. Spain wasn't in a position to do anything other than what they did, which is to buckle down and dig their way out, you know, establish or. Or continue relationships with countries that they had good relationships with and, you know, do. Do what they could. They weren't in a position to, you know, get involved in another war, nor was there an appetite for it.

[Pete]

There were.

[Carl Dahl]

There were volunteers. There were quite heroic volunteers for the Blue Division, but they were volunteers. They were permitted to go and they came home and lived safely and in peace. And many other veterans of the Waffen SS and. And other groups were permitted to live peacefully in Spain by the Spanish government, but they stayed out of the next war because Franco removed his sword of victory from his belt and placed it on the altar on the victory celebration day and vowed never to pick it up again unless Spain was threatened. And people can say, well, look at. Look at Spain now. Look at the west now, yada, yada, okay, well, Spain was in peace and governed under his dictates, and the church flourished and still flourishes in Spain, and that was his primary duty. There's an argument out there that the logical conclusion of. Is that Germany lost the war because Spain wasn't on their side, which is a very strange thing to say, but that's kind of the logical conclusion of many of the things that are said about, you know, what Spain did collectively as a nation after the war, which was to, you know, continue to send steel to and other minerals to Germany and make some weapons for them. And other than that, you know, and allow certain leeway with things, but. But also not go totally under the thumb of the British or anyone else and just kind of ride it out and enjoy some peace. So I just wanted to point out the stakes, and you can't. A fervent Catholic cannot go against the, you know, that heavy. That heavy blessing with a. With a. You know, now we know how to behave ourselves, don't we, according to the precepts of the religion that you follow. So hence the way I wanted that to wrap up.

[Pete]

Yeah. And remember, there were more than a few people who fought the war valiantly who would have faced the rope, and Franco brought them in and protected them and let them live out their lives in Spain.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, absolutely. And it was a sticking point with the Allies, but he didn't care because they didn't. They didn't have, you know the leverage to do anything about it, and it wasn't worth stirring up, so. And they're very nice blessings. It's. It makes a. Someone a silly like myself. Like, look at our tradition, which is schism and people with a lot of goo in their hair and jeans, with embroidery on the pockets and guitars, apparently. And then you hear that. Just heavy, like, laden with emotion. Prayer slash congratulatory speech. It's. It's just something else.

[Pete]

Yeah. And calls for reconciliation, calls for forgiveness and mercy. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's. Let's wrap this up. Please do your. Your plugs. Tell people where they can find your stuff, and I'll make sure to include them in the show notes. Great.

[Carl Dahl]

Thank you. Carldahl.substack.com is where most of my writing is. I have many narrative essays and I have some of my fiction there you can buy by book Faction with the Crusaders, which is a story about a American who ends up volunteering for the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War. You can get that on Amazon. There's links in my substack to that. There's a sample first chapter as well, which actually is in the. The drive to the south as part of the Aragon offensive. That's the first chapter. And that story's in there. Lots of fun. Combined arms operations. And yeah, I'm on Twitter, too, although I'm not a Twitter enthusiast. Caudillo Doll. You'll be able to find me. There's some numbers in there. It sucks, but you'll be able to. You'll be able to find me under Carl Doll. Caudillo Doll. On Twitter. Or, excuse me, X. The platform formerly known as Twitter, stupidly renamed X. Thanks, Pete.

[Pete]

All right, man, thank you. Have a good evening.

[Carl Dahl]

Thanks, you too.

[Pete]

And we're off. Carl, how are you doing?

[Carl Dahl]

Doing well, Pete. Happy Sunday.

[Pete]

Happy Sunday. How are you? Yeah, man, doing very well. All right. Yeah, Yeah. I already asked you that. I'm retarded, So. All right, so let's just. There's one question, all right, that's been thrown in on YouTube, so you want to run to this. This. This one would be easy for you to get. Where is it? Scroll up. Says, who are the best historians who write in Spanish on the Spanish Civil War, unbiased or with nationalist biases?

[Carl Dahl]

Oh, gosh, that is. That's a challenge for me because I haven't. I haven't attacked the. The body of Spanish language material. What. I'll. I'll explain everyone kind of how I got where I'm at as far as what I ended up studying. Maybe that's a good baseline. What I I attacked the topic of the Spanish Civil War and research into it based on wanting to be able to write a fictional story of an American who goes there and eventually becomes a belligerent official belligerent. Which led me down the pathways of you know, what kind of units could you be in? You know, foreigners had to go into the Spanish Legion, etc.

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[Carl Dahl]

I know of them, but I'm not fluent on the topic. I know that that did take place, that they were formally beatified and canonized martyrs by the Catholic Church, but I don't know a whole bunch about that specifically being on non Catholic. Just for transparency's sake.

[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

It's too, too hard to know what's going on over there. And having had to watch it and that whole situation being, I, I feel like it's been fairly pivotal for me like in the, in the teens to, to, to go from just being kind of a black pilled like post libertarian who's just like, I don't want to participate in paying attention to this horrific stuff to actually turning on that and being like, no, I'm not gonna be quiet and afraid to talk about these kinds of topics because of what's going on. What has been going on in Syria since America did its thing. There's a lot of horrible information out there. There's a lot of people that just want to black pill you. They want you to feel defeated. There's. I saw people who were supposedly on our side and I'm not going to name any names but like pushing stuff from authors of, from Tablet magazine, which is a Jew for Jew publication and the only non Jews who read it are good boys and anti Semites. Like no one else. No one else reads it. But there are people pushing their stuff as like Netanyahu is this like great man of his. It's, it's so Obama is. And his friends in Iran. You know, it's, it's the dumbest. Almost everything being talked about on that topic is dumb. And it sucks.

[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

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[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

No, it's. No, absolutely, I agree. And there is one kind of parallel here, like with how everyone is feeling right now that comes up related to the Spanish Civil War and it's, it's that whole question around why did Spain not formally become a part of the Axis? And what we see with Russia's has been scaling back what they were doing in Syria because their focus is on, you know, Ukraine and Nova Russia and, you know, taking care of the highest priority for them. And it sucks. But you, there are times when you have to make choices based on what's best for your people and what you're able to influence. And losing two wars is worse than winning one war. Yeah, it sucks. I don't like it. But sometimes you are in a situation where you can't win two wars.

[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

So there is, if you look at the, in the 19th century, the International. So what became the communist international? There was an original international and there were, there were a couple international kind of communist slash socialist slash Liberal groups with where the kind of the market that was the marketplace of ideas for the. The left socialists for a very long time. And ultimately what happened is like Bakunin and Marx, their personal differences and falling outs led to splintering into different groups. And it. There were these iterations of these international organizations that were pre Soviet, but it was like. It was the development of what would ultimately become like an international Bolshevist movement. It took. It took decades to. To mature over time. And so these ideas were going into Spain and they would have their own representatives that would go to various groups. Sometimes it would be. There was that international working men's organization which was primarily anarchist, although they were really comfortable inviting other people in who were more different flavors of socialism to try to have greater influence in a broader base, although ultimately they wanted to push for an anarchist angle. And so there's that interchange of ideas and people right that. That was going on for a very long time. But formally Soviet doesn't really start happening until the very late. It's. There were. There were people who were going in the twenties during the Primo de Rivera dictatorship. There were some who were going to the Soviet Union from Spain. It happened more in the 30s under the Republic where there was more of an interchange. The the lead generals in the Republican army were all men who had come out of the various socialist and communist political parties who were. Went to the Soviet Union and were trained in their international military academies for in the Russian slash Soviet method of war. And magically when they start getting, you know more all the Soviet supplies and equipment and start putting red stars on the Republican army uniforms and in their insignia and have like and communism takes over. These guys are in charge. So that was really where it really really accelerated was in the 30s under the Republic. NKVD people were there during the 30s. Largo Caballero was a prime minister, I want to say Pete for a while who had been a part of a. His party was a socialist party, but he personally became a Bolshevik Communist aligned with the Soviet Union kind of in secrecy, despite what his formal. The formal formal title and formal ideology of his party during the 1930s through his reading when he was in prison especially for agitation under Primo de Rivera and then also a little bleeding over a little bit into the. Into the Republic. So it was the. It was these layers of the influence accelerating really formally in the 1930s to the point where by. By July 1936 it was. People were learning that it was an entirely Soviet project at a certain point. The, the formal Republican government was indistinguishable from one being controlled 100% Soviet control, except in Catalunya. That I will add as a caveat, because that was pretty much almost entirely CNT FAI people running things over there.

[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

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[Pete]

Chris Young has a question. He says, is there any remnant of Carlism left today in Spain? So.

[Carl Dahl]

I don't know quite how to describe it. I think it's. It's closer to our actual scenario where there are kind of traditionalist, possibly even reactionary people in our sphere who are using the symbolism as a. As a representation of their historical ties to Spain and kind of a conservative, reactionary, you know, perspective on the direction the country's going in. I have a. There's a review of my novel Faction with the Crusaders that was written by a Spaniard who has a house of Bourbon, the. The Carlist there. Their preferred battle flag, which is the. The white banner with the. The red cross, the red jagged cross as his avatar. And he said it was the. The best novel by a foreigner he'd read on his country's civil war, which to me was like the highest compliment a person could pay to it. But anyway, he. I asked him about, you know, you're repping these colors. Is there a movement? And he basically said it's nascent, but you will see there has been little bits of like, street fighting against, you know, communists and. And antifa types in some areas, and then also against the, you know, the. The migrant migrants swelling in Spain. And I've seen guys with Carlist face masks, like it's the white mask with the. The red cross on it, which is pretty badass. So I would. I don't know quite how to describe it. I think it's people using the symbology more than anything else, but like spiritually being motivated by it which is the most important thing, in my opinion. Is that the feelings and the spirit are, are more important than the ideas in a lot of ways, especially in this kind of, of nascent, nascent time. I hope that answers the question.

[Pete]

This is a good question. Were there Americans who fought for the national side?

[Carl Dahl]

Yes, very, very few that we know about. And it's kind of, it's kind of tricky. So that's one of the, one of the themes in my novel is that if you look at like, most of what we know in the English language about the Spanish Civil wars from a British perspective, right? There's Orwell, who wrote about his experience with the, the ugt. He was with the ugt, right, which is a, a corny, a corny socialist movement, but he was all on board on the destruction of the churches and killing of priests and nuns. Like, I, I despise Orwell with a passion.

[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

It's exactly, I think it's something that you read as a kid to, to understand the basics. But his problem was, was the fact that, that they were coming after him and not just going with, you know, it, it, it's this like, I, I, I want my choose. Choose your own. Choose your own communism. Right. You know, it's like he, he aligned with, he didn't know what he was talking about and, and what he was getting himself into and who he was aligning himself with when he went into that war. And he says it himself in homage to Catalonia. So anyway, so we have his perspective. We now have Peter Kemp's excellent perspective from Mine Were of Trouble, which is a great book. But the number one thing that should jump out to everyone when they read this book, and it's what jumped out to me is that he had the permission of British intelligence to be there and he became a British intelligence asset. That when, when you go into a foreign war, if you are, if people know about it in your government before you go, you will be having chats. You don't. This isn't this rugged individualist crap. He, he was briefed before he went by people with connections to British intelligence who were operating for British Intelligence. And then he was being debriefed every time he went back to England. And when he was talking to English people in business and government in England, he was an intelligence asset. And then he went into the SOE in World War II. That's what my character does in this book. He's part of the, this Anglo American group that was around Donovan, Bill Donovan operating in Spain and around the world. But it's, it was kind of a loose, loose, semi unofficial intelligence organization. But Bill Donovan worked for the President. He worked for fdr. And the joke is, quote, unquote, despite the differences in their political parties because Donovan was a Republican. It's laughable, you know, in, in the current year when, when you see that as a caveat. So anyway, the, the, the long and the short of it is that Americans who were over there volunteering, we know about some pilots and we know about a handful of people who are in the, in the legion. And many of them became very persecuted when they came back to the United States unless they played ball and went to work for, you know, whatever the, whatever the big game was going to be. And so that's what my character does is through, through Bill Donovan because they, and when I was writing the story I was reading, I knew that Bill Donovan had been in and out of span Spain at the tail end of the war and was involved in a lot of the negotiations with Franco's people. And then of course the British. Here, here's something I'll point out for people. The number one foreign investment and ownership of interests in Spanish mining and factories and everything was British. And they had a very close relationship for around 200 years between Britain and Spain, you know, including their, you know, quote unquote, intervention against Napoleon. Like it goes back a very long time. There's a chapel in London that is a Spanish chapel that's been there since the, the mid-1700s for the, the Spanish diet, not diaspora, but really ruling class and people doing business in Britain, they're intertwined. Their, their upper classes have been intertwined for a very long time. I have characters that demonstrate that. And it's very important to understand that when you talk about the British negotiating with, with Franco and everything. Franco was supplied trucks, like thousands, 10,000 trucks and fuel from American and British interests. And who stopped supporting the Republicans because they, everyone knew the republicans were Bolsheviks. Like it was the common knowledge. And then it stopped being common knowledge, you know, after 1945. Golly. So the Americans who were in this.

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[Pete]

So just a couple super chats. Sean C. Over on Entropy says pray for Syria absolutely screwed up rebellion. Over on Rumble says Blessed Lord's Day. Pete and Carl, God bless and thank you for everything you do. See you too.

[Carl Dahl]

Thank you my friend.

[Pete]

Well, let's see what else we got here. Yeah, someone had mentioned here that in the new Oppenheimer movie, they. They portrayed the Spanish Civil War as the current thing and everybody was on the side of the Republicans. All the. The college. Yeah, on the side of the Republican. Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah, that's just. It's true.

[Carl Dahl]

My. My alma mater has a. A monument to the Spanish Civil War. Volunteers from the. From that university. And fortunately, a lot of them were killed. The.

[Pete]

All right, the. Okay, let's see next one. What's the first official engagement conflict of the war from the nationalist side?

[Carl Dahl]

So that's. It's hard because the. The very. The day of the Rising, I think really counts. It wasn't because there were battles all over the whole country. And sometimes it was a. That there they were able to play it off where a handful of people were able to go in and just like take control of a military base and then they would hold. The city. Zaragoza, for example, we never hear anything about that because that was a. Almost 100% nationalist city where there was very little fighting. The libtards were dealt with very quickly. In Navarre, there were. They basically rounded up all the libtards. There was a little bit of fighting. There's some images that you can find if you look at Navarre, July 1936, images of some libtards who ended up getting stuck in towers and stuff and were. It took a little bit of fighting to get rid of them, but it was taken care of in about two days. And so it was everywhere in the. Everywhere in the country during the. During the uprising. As far as like rolling battles that happened after that is one of the big ones was. Was within just a couple days, the. The Navar brigades and the. The Ray militias began marching south from Navarre and. And a lot of them were in Aragon also to reinforce units in Aragon because of the CNT anarchists who were. Were going off and the. After securing Barcelona and Catalonia in general and massacring people on their way, the. The CNT militants drove north into Aragon because they were trying to get to Zaragoza, which is an industrial city that's way up there in a. In a mountain plateau area, very beautiful area, by the way. And there was a pretty. Some pretty gnarly battles to get through that where they. The. The Carlists absolutely crushed the anarchists up there and then steamrolled south. And then they ended up smacking into each other and creating lines that were fairly static after not very long in that area. So. And reinforcing along those lines. One of the big things that you'll notice is that whenever you look at a map of Spain. You absolutely have to have topography turned on and then all the lines that you see make sense because of mountains and rivers and everything like that, especially the mountains. Some people say it's wrong to be this into a show, but the new

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I'm trying to think of other battles that were rolling battles but I we, we talked a little bit the last time about Aaronia and that was kind of a rolling battle also with the local nationalist garrison against the libtards from the start of the war. So there were, there were lots of pockets like that all over the country where there would be a nationalist garrison or like they would hold a city or a garrison and just hold so

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[Carl Dahl]

Oh yeah, absolutely. It was, it was a very common perspective and they the the press didn't even have the moment have a pro Republican momentum and outside of you know the usual suspect controlled press that that was entirely it. And then they always say Guernica was this pivotal point no, Guernica was a propaganda like coup for, for the, the libtards. But that didn't change people's perspectives. It was just this, they had this data point but it, when in reality it was just modern warfare. Like look at, look at the way America prosecuted World War II. You can't, you can't say that you're better than the Wehrmacht in, in Spain when you're, when you're British or American. It's get out of here.

[Pete]

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[Carl Dahl]

Oh, thanks. Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

[Pete]

All right.

[Carl Dahl]

Thanks for the review. I, I want to emphasize that the review authors live and die like, like visibility and interest in our work lives and dies by these reviews. Thank you for the review. If there's anyone else out there who's bought and read my book and enjoyed it, your review would be very much appreciated. You're not going to get doxed because you read a book on a fictional book and review it on Amazon. So thank you very much. I appreciate that a lot.

[Pete]

Who are degenerate Society asks who are some of the other popular, any popular figures or famous people at the time who supported the war or who were really bad on the war? I mean, I would assume a lot would have been bad on the war.

[Carl Dahl]

A lot would have been bad.

[Pete]

Most.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. If you really want to get as, as the girls say, the ick. Check out the people who write glowing reviews about the, the Spanish Republicans and the like. Paul Robeson who is this black communist singer went to, went to Spain and would shuck and jive for the, for the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and all the, and the other groups and like he, he sang a song in Yiddish because, because the, the International Brigades were so heavily Jewish and he was again, Paul Robeson was absolutely a, the creation of, of Jewish propagandists also. So yeah, it's, it's really, it's really yucky. But from what I've been able to tell like so, so when Stormy and you have been talking a lot about the America first, like what was going on behind it, what was leading up to the, you know, the, the activities of, of America first and some of the kind of proactive attempts that, that they were discussing and attempting to make. And what I would say is, and I can speak authoritatively for this because that was a very big deal in my family and like my family history was very much impacted by the America first movement. I have a grandfather. I'll Just be candid about it. I have, I had two grandfathers from that generation, of course, and one of them, his, his story is kind of told in a wink, wink way in my book where German surname. And he was named after a neighbor kid who was killed in the very first battle America participated in in World War I. And he was the only child of this Greek couple who lived next to my great grandparents. And he was killed like weeks before my grandfather was born. And they, of course, having lost their only child, are just going insane. And they begged and begged my great grandmother to name her child after theirs if it was a boy. And it was a boy. And so rather than getting the name that he would have expected to get, they put his father's name as his middle name and then gave him a, a Greek name that he, as his, as his Christian name that he came to hate because it was very odd in a, like, Nordic and German and English area. And it was a very. And, and at the time, like everyone had the most Anglo version of what their name would be, would, would be, would how it was pronounced and the name that you would go under. And so when he turned 18, he changed his name to by. But he was respectful enough that he switched it around to where he, he then had the Greek middle name anyway, so he was a little older because he was born in 1917. And as the war mania was being pushed in the press, everyone's talking about it. And as we know from surveys from the time, you know, 80 some percent up to 90% of the country wanted nothing to do with another war in Europe. Europe. And my, my great grandmother made her son's promise not to fall for what she knew was going to happen is that there was going to be a war. And she made them promise, you know, this is the right thing, promise to me that you will not join the military. And my grandfather promised along with his brother. He was the only one who kept that promise. And you know what he ate for the rest of his life because of it. He, he was already a firefighter. He had been a firefighter for some time. So he was exempt and from the draft because it was necessary, you know, critical, critical operations. And he was about 25 years old when the war started, but he ate for the rest of his life, like professionally and personally, socially because of. He did what was the right thing and kept a promise because he knew that his, you know, to the people who wanted, who wanted this war, the point was for him to go kill his cousins, go kill Christians. And he knew not to do that. So I take that very seriously. And what I can say is there was plenty. If you look at America first material that was out there, those newspapers, etc, those were pro nationalist. They were also pro. Let's not get involved. You know, let's stay out of this war. Because they also saw it as a potential precursor. And so they were very much supporting the neutrality arrangement that. That America was a part of to where they were, you know, selling trucks and fuel to the nationalists, but not providing weapons and not getting involved and not sending personnel. And that was a very popular perspective in America. It was also seen as. It was. It was also seen as just horrific modern war. And everyone think of all The World War I veterans in the United States. They talk. I had another grandfather, my other grandfather joined the army in early 1941 because as a steel worker, he heard from all the World War I vets around him. They're like, there's going to be a war. Don't get drafted, but join early. You'll have rank and you'll have real training. And so that's what he did because he felt like it was inevitable. He was in Appalachia. He's like, it's different. It's a different mentality. So, you know, we're gonna. We fight the war. And so he. He assumed, you know, well, that's what I do because I'm an. I'm an American. So, yeah. Pardon my digression.

[Pete]

No problem. Robert Reddy here says it right. Father Coughlin, Social justice magazine was definitely pro Franco. And pronouns, very, very. So Z Man over here says, Karl Dahl smells like feet.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah. Inside joke from a group chat.

[Pete]

You got a super chat over on Odyssey from the geezer. Thanks, man. I don't. This is from the geezer over on Odyssey. Okay. Outside of. Outside of official combatants sent by government channels, do you know what nations had the largest contribution of foreign volunteers to join the nationalist side? I'm thinking, would Romania be one? Possibly.

[Carl Dahl]

Romania is up there. Romania, it had thousands of members of the Iron Guard and associated nationalist groups in. In the Spanish Legion. There were a lot of. Like we talked about before, there were a lot of Portuguese, because, again, it was originally going to be an official detachment, but because of all the. All the nonsense and their own internal struggles, they ended up just directing them straight to straighten to the. The Foreign Legion from. From. Unless they had already joined, like the Navarre Brigades or something, which many of them did because the. Because of the Carlos militias. I'm trying to think. There were quite a few white Russians in the, in the Spanish Legion also. And then you have people from all over that. One of the big big ones is that sometimes they refer to them as Americans but it was the, the Latin American diaspora. Colonials is the terminology is the people from the colonies who went back when they would, they would be generally they were going into the Spanish Legion, although accepting Spanish nationality was very easy for them. A lot of, a lot of them were Spanish citizens but so that they could end up in regular army units. But most of the time all the colonials went into the Spanish Legion if they weren't. If they still had their citizenship from, from Latin American countries. So there, and there were absolutely tens of thousands of those. From what I'm able to, able to tell. There were. There were. I shouldn't say tens of thousands. I should say there were possibly around 10,000 volunteers with the Spanish Legion from the colonies. And that actually predates the war. Even in like the Riff War in the twenties in, in North Africa, Morocco, there were a lot of Spanish colonial.

[Pete]

TK MAU had a super chat over on Entropy, said Thanks TK Mao. The more I learn about the history of the last 200 years, the more no brothers wars make sense despite the differences between European descended peoples.

[Carl Dahl]

Yes, absolutely.

[Pete]

Let me get another question here. I think. Did you just answer this? What was the Spanish speaking world's reaction to the Civil War?

[Carl Dahl]

I did.

[Pete]

Our Central America, you know it, it could.

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, we didn't discuss that. It came down to your political persuasion if you look at. And we talked about this a little bit last time but Mexico which was a basically a Bolshevik nation deeply linked to the Soviets, they immediately went in with the Republic and began sending arms. And so when you looked at the rest of the. Of Latin America, you know the, the conservatives and the, you know the, the upper crusts and everything would support. Would support the nationalists but the, the libtards and all the, the various, the various other groups absolutely supported the Republic.

[Pete]

What do you have to say about car? What do you have to say Carl, about Hemingway during the war?

[Carl Dahl]

I'm not a fan. I, I love as a writer and as, as an American male when I was always happy to read Hemingway in like high school because he had a very simple but evocative writing style and, and it was portrayed as masculine. Right. But the thing with Hemingway is that he was.

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he was an egomaniac and most likely a rapist. Just to throw out the R word there and not in the based way but like he was a scumbag. That memes aside, rape is is not ungentlemanly and but he was also he had mega cachet everywhere. But if you, if it really came down to it, here's, here's an example illustrating his behavior. He loved hanging out with Italian nobles in the 1950s, but he endorsed the the slaughter of those same peoples in the 1930s in Spain. Why? Well, because that was like the cool thing. And so he supported the cool thing, which was the Republican cause and he did a a tremendous amount of propaganda for them. Total Bolshevik nonsense. But he enjoyed the finer things in life. So when it came to like going doing bird hunting and stuff, you know, he enjoyed the, the nice, you know, traditional European comforts of doing the, you know, mass, mass bird hunts and hand released bird shooting and everything like that. And he loved hanging out and doing that that while at the same time just unknowingly advocating or knowingly advocating for the destruction of that way of life when it was the cool thing to do. So I despise Hemingway. Ultimately and he would, you know, he was, he wasn't, he wasn't as cool as people say he was. And, and I, it's, it's very amusing because when you hear about a lot of his tough guy stuff like wanting to box people and stuff, it's my, my understanding is a lot of that was like him like basically being like I'm going to beat up like a little guy and tough guy shit like that, which I despise.

[Pete]

So, so this week someone pointed out that somebody assassinating a CEO on the street is equivalent to the Republicans and the anarchists and the communists murdering nuns and priests. And yeah, you were quick to point out that they weren't the only side that was doing that in the Spanish Civil War. Can you give some examples or talk a little bit about that?

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, absolutely. So the, the car lists and the Falange, which is the Spanish word for the phalanx. Someone had a question about that on, on X. And so anyway they were killing people in the streets as well and they had been for a while very early innovators of the drive by shooting Carlist youth militias in the, in the teens they did a drive by on some anarchists which is, you know, pretty cool. But yeah, there, this whole thing that like, like political violence is inherently leftist is an insane, insane gatekeeping perspective. The I, it just is inexplicably stupid and so, so obviously enemy action to me for someone to make that statement. I just, I just have nothing good to say about that.

[Pete]

Bill bikes over on Rumble says Franco was based when I lived in Spain, only the Jays hated him. He goes, it was before I was J.P. pilled.

[Carl Dahl]

I 100% believe that. And I will say that a long time ago when I read a lot about. Because I considered myself a libertarian like in the 90s and into some point in the aughts. And so because of the word and you know, a lot of people saying well it's basically anarch, you know, anarcho capitalism type arguments and everything. I read a lot of anarchist material and most of the time it was stuff written in the like 60s and 70s by Americans talking about it. And, and there would be really strange biases like, and this was before I, I grew up around a lot of Jews, but I wasn't really J pilled other than knowing that they were different. Right. And it, it was really strange because they, they would always talk about how Bakunin was an anti Semite and like, and, and, and a lot of it was this, was that the struggle in scapegoating around the loss of the Spanish Civil War and the atrocities that were committed. Because like, Pete, you. You and Stormy were talking and I think you both pointed out that like they just blamed each other for the losses. The anarchists or the Communists would blame each other for the, the various atrocities when really they were both committing them.

[Pete]

Yeah, the communists like digging up, just disintern, disinterring the, the nuns and stuff like that. It was like, oh no, that was the anarchist. Oh no, that was a communist. It's like, shut up.

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[Carl Dahl]

They both did it. Yeah, exactly. So. And. And they actually had internationals, A, a group of Eastern European internationals. If you. It doesn't take much thinking to realize that that means Jews were involved in raping and killing some, some nuns in the, the Northern campaign. And what, what did, what happened to them? Well, they were. Their whole unit was lined up and executed and left in a. Left in a ravine, which is pretty merciful if you think about it. So, you know, I'm. I'm never gonna apologize for anyone killing people like that lawfully, legally. Knock on wood, right? Yeah.

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[Pete]

Let's see. What were the size of the forces? Both. What were roughly the size of each side at the beginning of the war?

[Carl Dahl]

We talked a little bit about this last time. I'm going to pull that document up real quickly. I should have had it handy.

[Pete]

Sure.

[Carl Dahl]

Anyway, so the, the best way to describe the. The forces is that you have official forces under arms out of the gate and then you have the, the militias that were extant and then all the people clamoring to join the side because of their. Their various orientations. So on the nationalist side they had the whole Spanish Legion and then also the army of Africa which was. Was the, the Moroccan basically local forces under, under Spanish army command total between the army of Africa and which included this. The Spanish legion was about 35000 men. And then they had about half of the Spanish territorial army, which is about 60000 men. So that's, you know, Iberian based forces. And then they had just under half of Spain's civil guards and carbonaros which were in the. Which would put it in the teens and twenties of thousands between. Between those two, I want to say like collectively it would be around 20,000 ish. And then the Carlist recitation militias had 30,000 men under arms at the time of the uprising and that. Which grew to 85,000 by the end of 1936. The Falange had about 20,000 men in total at the time. Of of the uprising, but they weren't nearly as well armed. They had machine guns and submachine guns and grenades and stuff like that, but they weren't as like fully rounded out and equipped and regulated as the as the Carlist Retes, the Republicans. So again, use some of those same figures. You know, about 60,000 in the territorial army. A lot less of the heavy weapons though from the Nationalists. They had about a third of the machine guns and artillery and about half of the rifles. They had the assault almost all of the assault guards, which was that subset of the Civil Guards, which there weren't tons of them. There were only like 1 or 2000 of them, but they were like the Republic's it's kind of like the FBI. What's it what would be a good way to describe them? Kind of like the The FBI/FBI Hostage Rescue Team, which is their little like urban assault unit. The workers multiple militias were huge because they came out of the organized labor unions and so like the CNT. FAI for example, put 10,000 armed men into Barcelona the day of the rising. CNT had over a million people as members. So when you read about the workers, militias or Some people think it's wrong

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[Pete]

All right, let me see whether. Or something else here. To what extent? Jim Bowden asked to what extent? As Spanish Civil War an extension of Trotsky's internationalism.

[Carl Dahl]

So there were Trotskyist or labeled as Trotskyist because if you think about it, the, the Soviet Union would label any of their allies who weren't going along with the program as Trotskyists at that time. So they would call anarchists Trotskyists and stuff like that. So it would. It would be like, you're an international, you're an international communist, but you're not with our program. There's therefore you're an enemy or a Trotskyist. So he was influential with a lot of these groups and he was, he was very influential, but not relevant other than as it related to kind of the struggle for power. Because all of the. I think there were leaders among all the different left factions who. It didn't take them very long to realize what was up. They always knew what they were getting themselves into and the risk of Soviet domination. And so that was always a running part of the. The arguments and debates over who would have control over the. The republic during the war. And so the, the Trotsky is. Were definitely influential in terms of them knowing because, I mean, the Soviet Union was a thing like everyone knew what the, what the kind of the tale of the tape had been for the. For the previous couple of decades. So they, they knew what was up and what was in. What was in play.

[Pete]

Okay, next question here. He's saying, what side did the actual Spanish army fight for? Meaning if you were in the actual army, what side were you fighting for?

[Carl Dahl]

Once the war started, it entirely depended upon the direction of your leadership and the individual soldiers to a lesser degree. So if your unit said we are with the uprising, like, there seems to have been very little, very little change in that regard unless you wanted to get shot maybe or at least arrested. So, yeah, absolutely. It came down to that. There were places where there were. It took a little longer to settle. Settle that out. But in general, it was up to the officers and kind of the Mood. So here's an example of that. The, the, in the Navy, the naval officers and the Spanish Navy at the time was very weak. It was very small. It was not much better than a coast guard really except they had coastal guns. You know they had, they had, they had some stuff but they, they were very much depleted from, from where they had been and there weren't, there weren't a lot of people who had a lot of respect for the Spanish Navy at, at that time in terms of like the quality of the leadership and their mission and everything. A lot of it was people getting sinecures and, and just sucking money out of the system. That's something that's really important to understand at the time is that there were like the ratio of officer to enlisted man in, in the Spanish territorial military at the time was one officer to seven enlisted men if you can believe that. This is people parasiting off the system. So the quality of the territorial army was quite poor. The army of Africa and the Spanish Legion are totally different. The Spanish Legion was absolutely like a real fighting force and they were, they. I would put them on par with like the Rangers and the Special Special Forces depending like with the caveat that like the United States Special Forces are technically a, a training and like you know like force magnification effort, whereas the Rangers are just pure light infantry. They were more like pure light infantry and shock troops than anything else and they were serious. But the, the Spanish Navy was so corrupt and sodden and sodded. I should say that the, the enlisted men who were mostly socialists because it was, you know, where, where are where our Navy. Some people say it's wrong to be this into a show, but the new

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and Navy forces and Navy bases and where does everyone live? They live in port cities where the port cities in Spain were almost were extremely socialist and anarchist at the time. That was the spirit of the age. And so it didn't take very much for the enlisted men to, to take over the naval vessels. They couldn't really crew them and lead them though because they weren't competent leaders and, and officers and they had no idea what they were doing. So they had the forces but there was. They were useless like so they, they performed very, very, very poorly. There were some naval vessels that were. The officers sided with the uprising that stayed under their command who were. Who performed much better because they were serious people. So I hope that answers the question.

[Pete]

We got a comment here from just a carp over on Rumble. He says, Carl, I like your first book. Looking forward to the second. Don't you have two books out?

[Carl Dahl]

Yes. Yeah. So my first book is Faction and it's where I get this icon that's Doug Shea, which is Joseph Shea's grandson. Joseph Shea is the fellow who goes into the Spanish Civil War and gets involved in the espionage business Related to that. That one of the. The running jokes is that. So you, you know who Matt Bracken is, right? Pete, have you. Okay, so I was actually heavily inspired in my first book by Matt Bracken's style of writing where I have a. I have more of like a literary writing background. But what I like about his stuff is that he can write a novel that is kind of like a guide or a mini manual to certain kinds of scenarios. So I wrote my first book Faction kind of in that style where they, they have this. It's a. It's a faction that of related to the intelligence organizations and unofficial intelligence organizations associated with. With US Government and, and private. Private industry basically cut out companies to. To do things whether it's logistics or training or whatever around the world based on the mission. And the guys who've made their bones can kind of pick and choose a little more which groups they want to side with that as long as it comports with U.S. foreign policy. And so they. They end up having a clash domestically because of these competing interests in the. In the 90s in the US and Canada. And so a lot of people have made comments about how that relates to the. The. The street Pew Pew of that CEO because a lot of he follows. He followed almost exactly scenarios laid out in. In my first book, which I disavow theoretically.

[Pete]

Got a question over here from Pandaddy23. Hi Pete and Carl. Did Portugal play a significant part in the war?

[Carl Dahl]

Yeah, the, the biggest thing for Portugal is

[Pete]

they

[Carl Dahl]

served at the the in the very early days of the war as that they. They allowed material to flow through their ports. So the Italians came in largely through Portugal and, and a lot of German and Italian weapons and ammunition and equipment flowed through Portugal and it made it easy for the army marching north. You'll notice that they stayed. They basically wanted. They secured the. The border with Portugal very quickly and then that allowed those. The material to flow through to the. The Carlist militias and the Navarre brigades in the north and. And equipment to go wherever they wanted to. And the Italians had massive, massive operations very early in the war. Ground operations up in the Northern campaign. The, the Condor Legion had a lot of aerial campaigns in the north and they had observers and stuff, but they weren't doing as much on the ground in the Northern campaign. They did later. But the Italians almost immediately were. Were operating up there and that was hugely made possible by Portugal. So Portugal. Good friend.

[Pete]

Yeah, this is a. This is a good question. Oh, there's one more. I think there was a comment over here, Mach Sieve, who said to let you know that he did his review under the name Clayton Barnett.

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[Pete]

He says your style of writing present tense is a bit jarring.

[Carl Dahl]

Based. No, I know that. I know that it's. It's. But it's something that I've done and the reason that I settled on it a long time ago is that when you're writing action it has an urgency to it that when it's. It when other things are playing out and you're telling a story in. In present tense that isn't like immediately action oriented. Can it can be a struggle because you have to be very conscientious of not commingling tenses because there's a bunch of. There's numerous present tenses that can. You can end up tripping over. But I Always found that when I would write like an action scene or something and people read it, if I did a past tense and a present tense version version, people would say that the present tense version was much more immediate. And so that's what I've. And. And exciting. So that's what I've stuck with. And if it. If it's just my thing, it will be my thing and maybe it'll be something that. That will stand out.

[Pete]

Do you know if Commandant Moscardo or any of the survivors of the Alcazar have ever written memoirs?

[Carl Dahl]

So there were interviews with Moscardo. I don't know anything about memoirs, but I know that there were interviews with him that, that you can find that were in Spanish and in a. Written. And so there are some material related to that, but I don't believe that he. I'm not aware of him having written anything himself. But there. There are interviews out there, and that was, you know, for decades under. Bless you. Under Franco, for decades, that they were still held as the heroes. Heroes that they were.

[Pete]

Let's end on this one. Did Franco ever write or do interviews, giving an apology for the war and everything that happened afterwards?

[Carl Dahl]

Apology? No, he.

[Pete]

Well, when I say. When I say apology. Gotcha. You mean it? Apologia.

[Carl Dahl]

Yes, I realized that after I said that. So there are, There are interviews with him, but he was very private. He didn't give a lot of interviews and. But there are people that have written memoirs. If you read. Is it Payne's book on Franco, they talk a lot about that, that kind of stuff. There's a couple good Franco books. Not Preston. Paul Preston is a scumbag and frankly, he just makes shit up. But there's quite a few, Quite a few books where they talk a little bit about Franco, but he was very private. He didn't. He never. He never. He's not known for being very verbose and. And, you know, wanting people to center upon his thoughts and his ideas on things. He was very straightforward guy and pretty private and went to church every single day and basically wanted. Wanted things to. Just to run out the clock and. But while also getting people, you know, getting the country back on its feet. And so mostly he talked about the nation and the health of the nation and the state of the nation. He didn't talk about himself very much.

[Pete]

Maxif says Christopher Buckley quipped that Franco wanted to sit on the 20th century until it went. Went away.

[Carl Dahl]

Based.

[Pete]

All right, man, I'll gonna end this right now. Thank everybody for tuning in. Be back next week. With the normal kind, the normal live stream interaction. But Carl, please tell everybody where they can find your work and I'll make sure to include all of that in the show notes.

[Carl Dahl]

Great. Thank you. Karldahl.substack.com that's Carl with a K. K A R L d a h l.substack.com I also have two books under the name, author's name Carl Dahl on Amazon, Faction and Faction with the Crusaders. Faction with the Crusaders is the Spanish Civil War story. And I'm on Twitter, which I hate, or X or whatever we call it. I'm not the biggest fan of the platform and stuff, but there's great people to interact with there, so that's why I'm still there. Thank you very much.

[Pete]

All right, appreciate it. Thank you.

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