Live with RealThomas777 -07/30/26

Summary

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The Pete Quiñones Show

Episode: Live with RealThomas777 – 07/30/26
Date of Recording: July 31, 2026
Host: Pete Quiñones ("Bluff")
Guest: Thomas (RealThomas777)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Pete Quiñones Show features an in-depth, freewheeling conversation between Pete ("Bluff") and historian Thomas777, covering topics ranging from American history and racial conflict, the mythology of the American West, the mechanics and politics behind major legal cases, and the process of writing revisionist history. The discussion explores the legacy of violence and race in American identity, historical revisionism, insights into the American legal system, and the host’s ongoing research and writing projects.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflections on American Historical Violence and Identity

Timestamps: [01:44]–[24:02]

• Trip to Michigan & Reflections on Local Cadre:

  • Bluff describes traveling to Michigan (“Detroit guys... a bunch of these young savage dudes and I can go pretty hard”), noting the social/cadre potential of the region ([01:44]).

• Woodrow Wilson’s Heritage and the Legacy of the Lost Cause:

  • Discussion on Wilson’s Confederate background, his screening of Birth of a Nation at the White House, and his influence on 1920s Klan resurgence:
    • “Wilson’s first memory, he said, was being three or four years old and playing outside and hearing adults nervously chattering about how war is coming.” ([02:41])
    • “He commissioned and presided over the dedicated Confederate monument at Arlington National Cemetery. He was very much a lost cause partisan…” ([04:11])

• Analysis of the 1920s Ku Klux Klan and Sectarianism:

  • The Klan’s resurgence and its violent anti-Catholicism, with D.C. Stevenson characterized as an opportunist akin to Bill Clinton.
    • “There’s an ugly sectarianism to the 1920s Klan… Like they actually whacked a lot of Catholic priests. And that’s fucked up.” ([05:21])

• Frontier Violence: Chamberlain, Glanton, and Early America:

  • Deep dive into Samuel Chamberlain’s My Confession (source for Blood Meridian), recounting stories of frontier butchery, scalp bounties, and Judge Holden:
    • “Judge Holden was a real guy… a bizarre savant. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of botany and insects. He spoke French, Spanish, and English and even some Indian dialects... but the guy was also a serial murderer and a rapist.” ([10:00])
    • “It’s as wild as anything you find in the Iliad or Beowulf... that’s the American Aryan warrior mythology.” ([13:02])

• Reflections on Race Warfare and the Transformative Effects of Violence:

  • “It’s corrupting to be immersed in circumstances of racial warfare. You know, [Glanton] became a totally deformed person, which is no excuse, but that can easily happen to people.” ([14:52])

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2. Discussion of American Indian Nations and Historical Empathy

Timestamps: [20:42]–[26:09]

• Complexity of Indigenous History and Stereotypes:
  • Chamberlain’s description of peaceful tribes like the Piru versus warlike groups such as the Apache and Yuma.
    • “Piru... were very generous and sophisticated in terms of how they practice trade and… were settled because they’d mastered basic agriculture.” ([22:00])
    • Open criticism of modern “victimology” versus warrior traditions: “You’re really disrespecting your heritage and you look pathetic.” ([23:13])
  • Bluff expresses effort to write about Indians “with proper respect... because they were proud people who were really kind of gilded by modernity.” ([23:49])

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3. On Writing Revisionist History & Book Projects

Timestamps: [25:38]–[32:50]

• Writing Process & Market Realities:

  • Bluff discusses his writing process, challenges of academic writing, and expectations for his next book (“If everybody hates it and thinks it sucks. Well, I... guess I’ll have to wait until I’m dead for people to like it.”) ([25:38])
  • Intends to focus future travel and public appearances on book promotion, particularly in culturally significant locations like New York.
    • “New York remains an important forum for academic and cultural stuff, so I think that’d be a good place to start.” ([27:33])

• Revisionist Historiography & white Identity:

  • Book aims to “deal with the aftermath of the Second World War and the conclusion of the 20th century and beyond, placing that within a historiographical context.” ([27:33])
  • Mentions complementary projects that explore American experiences at the sociological, not just philosophical, level.

• Quote:

  • “I lean into what one of our friends said, that I’m, you know, like the Velvet Underground, like esoteric niche authors.” ([29:09])

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4. The American Indian Wars, Islamism, and Global Resistance

Timestamps: [32:24]–[37:30]

• Reference to Empire of the Summer Moon and Quanah Parker:

  • Thomas highlights a listener’s family connection to Quanah Parker, suggesting the richness of direct historical ties ([32:24–32:50]).

• Desire to Write on Islam, Shia Resistance, and Political Bands:

  • Bluff hopes to deliver long-form work on revolutionary imperatives in the Islamic world post-1979, particularly Hezbollah, the Syrian Ba’ath, and their often overlooked connection to Third Reich military expertise:
    • “My emphasis again is going to be ... Shia populations, Hezbollah, but with an emphasis on National Socialist adjacent elements, you know, like in Syria... A lot of Third Reich personages helped build modern Syria, and that’s one of the reasons it’s slated for destruction.” ([35:30])
  • Comments on reading The Study Quran as ongoing research.

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5. Crime, Legal Policy, and “Lawfare”

Timestamps: [39:13]–[71:18]

• Legal Responsibility for School Shootings & Precedent:

  • Discussion of cases where parents and school officials are held criminally liable for student violence (“That’s a terrible precedent”, “...they jammed her up, saying that she should have known...”) ([39:13–41:03])

• Contemporary American Justice and Lawfare:

  • Claims that American prosecutors and judges act as partisan political animals, often lacking legal sophistication:
    • “They have no clue. That’s one of the things that’s terrifying... a lot of these judges are literally senile and that’s terrifying... you understand that a lot of these judges are literally senile and that’s terrifying like ending up in court under indictment, you know, and there’s some literally senile judge who has no idea what the hell’s going on.” ([43:28])

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6. Analysis: The Derek Chauvin/George Floyd Trial

Timestamps: [45:53]–[59:56]

• Breakdown of the Prosecution’s Flawed Case:

  • Bluff critiques the prosecution’s medical theory about Floyd’s cause of death, pointing out physiological and evidentiary errors:
    • “Floyd is saying, I can’t breathe. Okay? If you’re being blood choked, you can still respirate because there’s not any stress on your esophagus. You can breathe fine. Your brain’s not getting blood...” ([46:31])
    • Concludes that Chauvin was railroaded through bad faith prosecution, public pressure on the jury, and procedural errors (“What’s insane is Chauvin’s... the judge was openly discussing how the jury pool was tainted... So obviously Chauvin is counsel. It was for change of venue. So the judge denied it...”) ([59:56])
    • Recommends T.J. Harker’s forthcoming book American Scapegoat on the Chauvin case.

• Quote:

  • “[George Floyd] was a really sad, disturbed and messed up guy... In death now... his corpse is dragged around as a prop. There’s something gross about that.” ([47:13])

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7. False Allegations & Dangers for Activists

Timestamps: [63:48]–[71:18]

• Discussion on Daniel Holtzclaw, Wrongful Conviction & Advice to Young Activists:
  • Details the high-profile case of Daniel Holtzclaw, contending it was fabricated and “just totally insane... Dude’s doing like 450 years when he did nothing wrong.” ([63:48])
  • Warns young men about the dangers of being alone with women in activist spaces due to false allegation risk—citing Ron Paul’s practice for safety.
    • “With a handful of exceptions... I’m never alone with females, you know, and I’m not trying to be some kind of weirdo about it, but ... I think that appears improper anyway, frankly, unless it’s your, you know, unless she’s your woman.” ([69:21])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Wilson’s first memory... was literally war and rumors of wars in the Confederacy.” ([02:41] – Bluff)
• “There’s an ugly sectarianism to the 1920s Klan... and that’s fucked up.” ([05:21] – Bluff)
• “…when Chamberlain met his book starts out, it’s like in media rest because he’s already with the Glanton gang. And he talks about when he met Judge Holden...” ([10:00] – Bluff)
• “It’s as wild as anything you find in the Iliad or Beowulf, you know... that’s the American Aryan warrior mythology.” ([13:02] – Bluff)
• “You’re really disrespecting your heritage and you look pathetic. You’re not... really doing your race dirty by doing that.” ([23:13] – Bluff)
• “I lean into what one of our friends said, that I’m, you know, like the Velvet Underground, like esoteric niche authors.” ([29:09] – Bluff)
• “A lot of Third Reich personages helped build modern Syria, and that’s one of the reasons it’s slated for destruction.” ([35:30] – Bluff)
• “A lot of these judges are literally senile and that’s terrifying like ending up in court under indictment...” ([43:28] – Bluff)
• “Floyd is saying, I can’t breathe. Okay? If you’re being blood choked, you can still respirate because there’s not any stress on your esophagus.” ([46:31] – Bluff)
• “With a handful of exceptions... I’m never alone with females, you know, and I’m not trying to be some kind of weirdo about it, but ... I think that appears improper anyway...” ([69:21] – Bluff)

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Recommended Reading & References

• Samuel Chamberlain – My Confession
• S.C. Gwynne – Empire of the Summer Moon
• T.J. Harker – American Scapegoat (book recommendation on the Chauvin case)
• The Study Quran (ongoing research)

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Summary

This episode is a wide-ranging, conversational deep-dive into the violent, often brutal processes that have defined American history, identity, and legal systems. With Thomas777 and Bluff unpacking controversial events and their own writing/research processes, listeners are offered a revisionist perspective on key historical and cultural subjects, the justice system, and the realities of dissident activism and writing. The tone is candid, sometimes provocative, and blends reverence for historical detail with a distrust of present political and legal structures.

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Transcript

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[Thomas]

We got. We should be here.

[Bluff]

Yeah. Hi everybody. But yeah, I, I'm stoked about this trip. And like I said, it's where they're on business. Obviously there's a social aspect too, but Michigan's got a lot of cadre potential, you know? And I know I've shouted out and shown love for the Detroit guys. Like, those guys are awesome. They're a bunch of these young savage dudes and I can go pretty hard, man, like within the parameters of still being responsible. But those guys are kind of kicking my ass, man. I'm getting up there in age, but yeah, those guys don't plate, man. And, and Detroit, such a fascinating town. And Monroe was really interesting too, so. And I, I hear Grand Rapids is a lot of natural beauty and it's a quick Amtrak shot that's like four Hours. And that's nothing. You know, I like the Amtrak anyway. But so about, about 40 pages into this manuscript on the old resistance, and I went down something of a rabbit hole because, you know, even though he's, he's. Slandered as this horrible progressive, you know, Wilson was a complicated figure. I don't think he was really cut out to be president. He was very much an academic. But he, Wilson's father was a, he was a chaplain in the Confederate army. And he went on to be one of the founders of the Southern Presbyterian Church in America, which was, they merged with another unfrell organization in the early 80s. But, you know, they were, they were a doctrinated Calvinist church and very Southern orientation. What Wilson's first memory, he said, was being three or four years old and playing outside and hearing adults nervously chattering about how war is coming. So his first memory was literally war and rumors of wars in the Confederacy. And he screened Birth of a Nation in the eastern of the White House, which was the first movie ever screened there.

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[Bluff]

he commissioned and presided over the dedicated Confederate monument at Arlington National Cemetery. He was very much a lost cause partisan, you know, and I'm going somewhere with this, but that, that was really in the zeitgeist white identity and a kind of organic Americanism around, you know, a strong racial and sectarian consciousness and that. So the 1920s clan, like blew up based on that momentum. And it's a fascinating subject matter. And obviously you've got to deal with the Leo Frank issue too, because that was a formative aspect of the 1920s clan. And I. There's an ugly sectarianism to the 1920s clan. Like they actually whacked a lot of Catholic priests. And that's fucked up. You know, I don't, I don't think anybody other than a Cretan would suggest that that's cool. But, you know, so I'm not, I'm not glazing the 1920s clan, but it, it was an important phenomenon. And D.C. stevenson, obviously, he was a real scumbag and very much an opportunist. I don't think he believed in anything. I think he was a Bill Clinton type. You know, he, he was, he was an Indiana Republican who decided he was going to conquer the Klan from within. When it became clear that that was sort of the stepping stone to national clout, I think he wanted to be president. But anyway, so in researching that, but also I deep dive into Samuel Chamberlain's book, My Confession. You know, that's what Blood Meridian is. Based on. And it wasn't published until a century after his death because. Jamie, William's a war hero. And Lincoln actually he went on, he was a volunteer in the Mexican War as a teenager. If I'm boring anybody, you're the subs like cut me off and we'll move on to something else. But the. He was a. He fought in the Mexican War with a dragoon regiment when he was a teenager. And then he went on. He was a. He was a war hero in the war between the states. And Lincoln personally decorated him and made him a. A ceremonial. He conferred a ceremonial general's rank on him. So the fact that he was running around with this sociopathic outlaw band of mercenaries was, I mean, in public life, couldn't go around saying that, but he insisted. The lady died. Judge Holden was a real guy and it's kind of a horrifying book. And John Joel Glanton, he fought in the Texas Revolution, then he fought in the Mexican War. And apparently he was very normal. Not just normal, but he was a heroic individual. He was engaged to this beautiful 17 year old girl. He was all 20 or 21 years old. She was captured by Apaches, presumably raped, and they scalped her and murdered her. And Glanton went nuts and he started killing every Indian he possibly could. And in those days, the Mexican government, they'd hire bushwhacker types and Indian fighters. They literally pay you by the scalp. Apache scalps, they've got a unique characteristic, as is the case of some racial groups. There's a double whirl on their scalp. And this is incredibly gruesome. But if you were trading scalps for pay, you'd literally present a scalp. And if it was a child or a squad, they were reluctant to pay you. But also if you're trying to pass off a Mexicans or a dark haired white man's scalp, you know, they'd, you'd have a problem. So they'd examine it for those kinds of characteristics, which is crazy, but I mean that's, that's race war. But Glanton, he became this total maniac and he was so effective at killing Indians that his services were in demand. But then this gang formed around and just became his bushwhacking war band. And they'd set upon Indian villages of, you know, Chamberlain relayed. Let me fetch it real quick. I make sure I'm not. Yeah, Chamberlain. Okay. I don't want to embarrass myself. Like when Chamberlain met his book starts out, it's like in media Rest because he's already with the Glanton gang. And he talks about when he met Judge Holden, and he insists, too. He said, the real Judge Holden, you know, he was six and a half feet tall, practically albino. He didn't know if he was a real judge or not, but he said the man was a bizarre savant. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of botany and insects. He spoke French, Spanish and English and even saw the Indian dialects. But the guy was also, he was also a serial murderer and a rapist, and he particularly liked to rape and murder kids of both sexes. And he said that Glanton, when he was at his worst, was when he was drinking. And he said there was odd things about Glanton's leadership. He kind of reminds me of Colonel Cal almost, I guess, if he got wounded and thus became a burden, Glanton, what did he generally just murder you, you know. But at the same time, before making command decisions, he'd often take a vote. And so periodically they come across settlements or villages and Glanton put it to a vote like, should we slaughter all these people and rape all their women and slaughter them too and then take all their shit? And Judge Holden always voted yes. Like no matter what. Like no matter what Glanton wanted to do, he'd back his play. And Chamberlain insists that when they were on the run, you know, when from the Mexican government and various bounty hunters who wanted to collect the the price on their head, he said that Glanton made a navigation error and Judge Holden realized it. And Chamberlain says that he took to riding with Judge Holden because even though he was afraid of him and found him disgusting, he was a fascinating person.

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[Bluff]

So Judge Holden apparently said, well, yeah, you know, we're eventually going to reach an impassable road, but we're in the great Colorado Canyon, which is what they called the Grand Canyon then. And he's like, this is, this is an unexplored wonder of the world and I want to see it. So I'll alert Glanton after I see it, which is kind of awesome. But then, but it's just, it's just incredible, man. And in the book Blood Meridian, the narrator, Protag, you know, the kid, he's obviously kind of a William Bonney sort of figure, this roughneck gunfighter teenage boy, but he's obviously also supposed to be Chamberlain. And I had no idea that that book was, that Blood Meridian drew so much on Chamberlain's testimony. It's horrific, but also incredible. It's as wild as anything you find in, in the Iliad or Beowulf, you know, and that's that, that, that's, that's the American Aryan warrior mythology. But also too, Glenn, he's held out, you know, as this kind of ogre and, and it was, he was a psychopath, you know, like, like rapist, kill, freak. But, you know, it's corrupting to be immersed in circumstances of racial warfare. You know, he became a totally deformed person, which is no excuse, but that can easily happen to people. You know, you're, and I don't think people realize that. And there's endless, there's endless anecdotes about these people who became Indian fighters or these frontier men and women, them finding their, them coming home to find their families slaughtered and their little kids them and swung against the ground till their brains were bashed in, you know, The Apache didn't care. They'd kill men, women, children. They'd kill everybody without a second thought. You know, it's just a terrifying race. Um, but.

[Thomas]

But I read in the book Black Elf, Black Elk Speaks that all they do is sit around and try and communicate with the coyote spirits all day.

[Bluff]

What was wild, too, what ultimately shook out for the Glanton gang. This was 1849, you know, when the gold rush was kicking off in earnest. And at the Colorado river crossing at Yuma, Glanton came across these Yuma Indians who were managing the ferry crossing, you know, and this was highly profitable. So Glenn had the bright idea of, let's slaughter all of these. Let's. Let's slaughter all these Yuma. Let's take the prettiest girls and enslave them, and let's take over the ferry and we'll all get rich. So that's what they did. And then Glanton set about building a fort that he called Fort Defiance. And ultimately Glant started doing things when people would show up, you know, wanting to cross the river. If they. If he suspected that they were carrying gold or valuables, he'd just slaughter them and take all their stuff. So eventually this just became this barbaric sort of like, murder enterprise. And Chamberlain became increasingly disgusted. And one day, every day, men were assigned to go bring back firewood from by the river, because at night it gets really cold in the desert. So him and this lapsed drunk priest named Tobin, who was one of his fellow bushwhackers, they'd volunteered that day. And while they were chopping and gathering wood, Fort Defiance came under attack. And Glanton was. He was. He was basically tortured to death. But Holden got away. And as Tobin and Chamberlain were riding out, Holden saluted them on a stolen horse. And then he said, I'm traveling to California and I'm going to tell the authorities there of your whereabouts and help them hang you. And he thought this was terribly funny, I guess. But eventually Holden's horse broke under the strain of exertion. And Tobin and this Mexican who was with them as part of their war band, they hog tied the judge and wanted to leave, just leave him to, like, die of exposure, you know. And the judge, Holland, insisted that he was making a joke when he said he was going to lynch them, when he obviously wasn't. He was just a sick fuck. And Chamberlain says he had a crisis of conscience looking back and seeing Holden hog tied in the sun, you know, and he said, holden is a bastard, and he's evil and he's irredeemable, but I'm not gonna leave a white man to die in that way. So he went back and released him and left him with a powder horn that had been converted into a canteen. Because there is a honor among thieves, I guess, if you believe Chamberlain. But he also insisted that he never lost his. He never lost his Christian faith, even when he was mired in this depravity. And he admits he participated in it. You know, he said he wouldn't harm a woman or a child, but he killed many people, some of which were valid kills, some of which were not. But it's a fascinating subject. I went down this water hole, this rabbit hole. I got water on mine. Thinking about the desert and stuff. But it's relevant. I mean, that had a huge deformed of effect in the American psyche. Even more so than the War between the States in some ways, I believe, you know. And that was Shelby Foot's big point is you can't factor out the War between the States from here. The minds of heritage Americans and what became the Zeitgeist. P. Hutter says Black Elk was supposed. I've never read Black Elk. He. The impression I had was that these guys, these weird boomer guys who like to pretend to be Indians, like that, that Ward Churchill guy that he's kind of their go to or something. But so that's.

[Thomas]

It's like engine self help you.

[Bluff]

Well, it's also too like I, you know, however you feel about. Well, I mean, Indians also. I mean they were a very diverse population. What's fascinating too about this, I'll, I'll bring it back in a second. But Chamberlain makes the point, you know, and he, he was a Massachusetts Yankee, you know, so he being fighting in Mexico and then subsequently, you know, being a bushwhacker in the, in the Arizona desert, that was like being another planet for him, you know. And Indians to him, probably the most exotic tribe he'd run across, like the Huron or something, you know. And he said these Piru who were very peaceful. They, they almost seem like Incas or something because they, and the men, because they lived in the deep desert, they'd wrap, they, they, they, they'd make, they'd create these makeshift turbans and then like pack them with clay that would then harden under the sun so they, they look like Bedouins or something. And they lived in these structures that you'd think would belong in Colombia or something, you know. And he, he talked about how the other, the pure, they Were, they were very generous and, and they, they, they were sophisticated in terms of how they practice trade and they had really good food I guess. And they, they were settled because they, they'd mastered basic agriculture. But like the flip side of that is, you know, they were these commerce oriented people who weren't good fighters. So they, they'd be set upon by the Yuma and others and get their asses kicked constantly. But he speaks very affectionately about them and he, he laments the fact that you know, then these, these, these people are brutalized, you know, by, by the Apache, by the Yuma, by Psycho. Was like Glanton and the judge, you know, they just got no, no reprieve. But you know, the, a lot of the Indian nations, you know, like Crazy Horse is a personal hero of mine. You know, he was a great man and Tecumseh was an incredibly destructive personage but you know, he was long revered by heritage Americans too because he was such a great warrior. So when there's this, this kind of faggy victimology or these like fat guys, these like fat like reservation schloves like on, on social media. Like you know, giving the finger to like Mount Rushmore while they're drinking like an extra, extra, extra, extra, extra large Mountain Dew. It's like man, like you really, you're really doing your race dirty by doing that. That's a bad look. You know, you're, you're not, you're really disrespecting your heritage and you look pathetic. You know, so I try and when I, when I write about Indians and admittedly I'm not an expert, but I'm learning more. I try and do so with proper respect because they were proud people who were really kind of gilded by modernity. But yeah, that's. I'm. I knew that long form stuff would get easier.

[Lady Luck]

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[Bluff]

I mean, I've always, I've never had an issue with writing long form stuff and doing heavy research, but it's different. It's different writing a book that you have to put in a narrative form, but it seems to be getting easier. Hopefully this narrowboard book will pop. Like, if it, if everybody hates it and thinks it sucks. Well, I, you know, I guess I'll have to wait until I'm dead for people to like it.

[Thomas]

Well, I'll, I'll talk to you off air about ways that I think we can really get it, get it going. So.

[Bluff]

Oh, no, I'm not worried. I'm just talking shit. I, I mean, frankly, I, you know, when I wrote Steelstorm, which actually was a gamble because, I mean, a, a kind of weird science fiction book by, you know, some nobody guy like me, I, I would, I just, my only stipulation, I didn't want to eat a loss on it, but that turned a little profit, you know, so it's, I'm confident. I mean, yeah, obviously no one's going to get rich writing a, you know, a highly academic book on political theory and international law and stuff, but I'm confident, you know, it'll find its audience. And, you know, I think there's a need for it because, you know, nobody's addressing historical conditions from that angle. I mean, I mean, don't get me wrong, there's plenty of books where guys are writing from like a Habizian or Schmidian perspective and putting the stuff in context. And that's great, you know, but specifically dealing with the aftermath of the Second

[Thomas]

World War

[Bluff]

and the conclusion of the 20th century and beyond, and placing that within a historiographical context, you know, relating to essentially, you know, conceptual aspects of it. Nobody was writing that book, so, you know, I, I think. I think it will have no problem finding the audience. And I'm. When I was at. At the Nashville conclave, the. The New York City guys said they, they wanted to. They invited me, you know, out there, and I've been. I wanted an excuse to go back to New York City for a minute. You know, New York's awesome, man. I really like it. I had an awesome time a few years back, you know, when I was out there. But they. They wanted to do like a book launch event, which is great. And in New York City, there's some prestige behind that. Not that I'm like some clout, thirsty fag, but if you're, you know, something. New York remains an important forum for academic and cultural stuff, so I think that'd be a good place to start. And then I'm thinking that's basically when, like, my travel season kicks off in the fall. That's kind of what I'm gonna organize it around is like, plugging the book, you know, and things like that.

[Thomas]

And so hopefully, like Zoltan says, we want it before everybody plagiarizes you. I'm like, no one's gonna be able to plagiarize this book.

[Bluff]

Yeah, hopefully not. But I. But I. And those plagiarized man on the dissident, right? I. I'm being funny, but I, I'm also not like, I, you know, I, like, I, I lean into what one of our friends said, that I'm, you know, like the Velvet Underground, like esoteric niche authors. I was think too, like, I hope. I hope the book's readable, man. And like, it's difficult to make highly conceptual stuff readable, but I think, you know, I'm kind of writing this book, White Riot. The subject matter is very different. I mean, topically it's very different, but the subject matter is related. And writing that's kind of a compliment piece because that deals very much with praxis and the American experience. And I can see, you know, I mean, I, I'm in a base. I'm an academic and I'm a revisionist historian, inflatable theorist. I'm not, you know, I'm not. I'm not a guy who writes about the brass tax of revolutionary organizing or something, you know, and I think people understand that. But at the same time, I can imagine dedicated people, partisanite people reading the book and saying, okay, great, but what's that have to do with, you know, the, the, you know, the American experience on, on the ground in day to day sociological terms. And that's kind of what this man's got to work at now is about. And obviously academic stuff's different than fiction. You know, fiction, you really do need to wait for inspiration to strike you. You can't force it. I imagine the same with visual artists and stuff or guys who write music. You can't just like force yourself to do it. I mean, you can, but then you're gonna be like that dude who would paint like happy little trees and stuff. I mean, no, I, I, I, I like that guy's show, but I mean, point being, like he was just cranking stuff out. But you do to a lesser degree. You do need inspiration to strike when you're writing academic stuff too. Like I, I'm researching every day and I write something when I got a manuscript underway every day. But sometimes it's only a page or something. You know, you've got to get momentum behind it. And that seems to be where I'm at now because I've been cranking out a lot of pages, which is great, so knock on wood. I don't want to curse myself, but if that momentum sustains, I'm hoping that by winter time, so I'm getting quicker at this process, this will be done, but then sometime. But I don't want to make hard and fast guarantees because then I'm probably going to end up in a situation where I, my research takes me in a whole other direction that opens up an entire category of subject matter that warrants discussion. But yeah, forgive me if that was too rambling, but yeah, I'm causally optimistic and I'm confident this book will turn a decent profit for what it is. You just said to keep your expectations reasonable. You know, I, this is only possible. No, go ahead.

[Thomas]

Of course we missed a comment from Atius up there. He said, if you want a good read, check out S.C. gwynn's Empire the Summer Moon. It basically details the story of Comancheria and Quanah Parker's tenure as the last true chief of the Comanche war band. Quana, who was half, who was the half white son of the kidnapped Cynthia. And Parker is my great grandfather times four.

[Bluff]

That's wild, man. That's very cool. Yeah, thanks for the recommendation. I, you know, and like I said, my, my, my dad's got deep knowledge of, of, of the American Indian nations and the Indian wars. I'm, I'm far more of a, a 20th century. The 20th century is my research concentration, but just, you know, the, the later modern era. And also I, I deal, I just generally deal with different subject matter. But I, but I mean, considering I, I am a heritage American, I mean, that, that is something I should bone up on. I'm trying to do that now and I, I'd like to also. I want to write more on the subject of Islam and particularly the revolutionary imperatives that developed, you know, circa 1979 and beyond. That's important. And I, obviously my sympathy lies with, you know, Iran and Hezbollah and our Syrian friends primarily. But, you know, that's, that's a huge subject matter and I've got, I've read a lot on it and I'm working my way through that. Study Quran, but that's a bit more of a difficult proposition too, especially because obviously I'm not. I, you can't just like, pick up conversational Arabic by like, you know, like listening to language tapes, you know. I mean, I'm fortunate that I, I got comrades who, you know, are linguistically and culturally fluent. But, you know, I, I basically want to write about Darl Islam and in the Second World War and, and beyond and you know, the, there, the resistance elements that have developed there. I mean, my emphasis again, it's going to be, you know, Shia populations, Hezbollah, but with an emphasis on National Socialist adjacent elements, you know, like in Syria and Nasser became notorious. You want to look at that way because there are many. There were a lot of guys who served the German, right, in various capacities who spent time in the court in Nasser. And Francis Yacht as well, spent time in Cairo at Nasser's invite. But Syria, especially on the military and infrastructural side, a lot of Third Reich personages help build modern Syria, and that's one of the reasons it's slated for destruction. It isn't a fact, I believe the, the Levantine peoples and the Syrians, they're, they're the natural leadership cast, I think, you know, and that's one of the tragedies of what's happened to the Lebanon, you know, and Lebanon's an incredibly beautiful place. It's on my bucket list to visit. And you know, there's, it's known for its lush greenery. That's why there's a tree on the Lebanese flag, you know, and that's why it's, that's why it's so coveted, obviously, by the Zionist state because, you know, access to potable water things. But that was like it doesn't ever Tangent Point being I want to, I want to write about, you know, the, the resistance elements within darl Islam and what that means to what that means to the resistance struggle generally. You know, and because the only stuff that's really been written on that, I mean it's changing there, there's a, this guy wrote a really fascinating series of essays on Johann Van Weir's AKA Omar Amin and I reached out to him by email and he seemed amenable to collaborating and then like I never heard from him again. Which is fine. Academics are like that. So there is more, I think there is more of an interest in the subject matter. But I, I want to write, I want to write a dedicated long form treatment on it.

[Thomas]

This, this story came came across while we were here.

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[Thomas]

There's this kid, Colt Gray, who two years ago he shot up a. Shot up a school in high school in Winder, Georgia. It's not too far from here yet. Today they sentenced his father to 15 years for providing the gun and not like recognizing that his son had deteriorating, deteriorating mental health.

[Bluff]

That's a terrible precedent. And there was this one, there was this. I think this was down in Texas. There's this black lady principal at some public school and some black hood and some kid, some like middle school age kid. He, he. He took a gun to school and he blasted this teacher he didn't like. So they jammed her up, saying that she should have known that this kid was violent. And apparently it was a rumor that or she'd heard scuttlebutt that he was threatening this teacher. So, you know, she's criminally liable owing to an affirmative duty to prevent criminal violence when there's articulable facts indicated. I mean, it's. I don't see how anybody can prove a science or as required to impose culpability like penal liability. I mean, I guess, I guess the way they're looking at is just like a strict liability thing because that's what the gun grabbers and these freaks want to do. But also I was watching our dear friend Kevin, Deanna, who's an awesome guy, he's got a really good pod. You know, a couple months back he hosted this guy. He's a really, really smart guy. He's a former DOJ prosecutor who wrote a book on, on. On the. The Prosecution of Derek Chauvin. And it's dropping in in October, you know, and I don't like the Department of Justice, but I, I found the guy who taught my trial advocacy class. He was this. He was a federal prosecutor and he was probably one of the smartest litigation attorneys ever met. It's probably different now, but I've been impressed with a lot of the guys I met who came through that pipeline, unlike at the county level. But on, on Kevin's show, he's making the point. He's like, look, he's like, there's two things going on here. There's lawfare and there's this ideological coding to the criminal justice system where prosecutors and judges behave as nakedly political animals. But also, these people are just idiots. They, they don't understand the law. They don't understand the internal logic of it. They, they don't understand how the rules of evidence apply. They, they don't understand what the, you know, variable Conventions are, and they kind of establish the parameters. And you see this at every level. I mean you read, I think Clarence Thomas and Roberts to a certain degree, I think Roberts is kind of a shitbird, but he's, he's competent. The Supreme Court justices have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. I mean aside from the fact that they're not publishing legal opinions, they're publishing these like editorial screens or things that you'd expect to find in a social science department as a position paper. But they also just don't understand it. And I, you know, there's a, like, don't get me wrong, I, I'm not one of these people who pretends that, you know, that the law attracts brilliant men or something because it doesn't or that I'm not suggesting that, you know, legal reasoning is so complicated that, you know, a layman can't grasp it, like that's nonsense. But you do need a rudimentary level of intelligence to understand the theory and, and, and, and application of these concepts. You know, and these people just, they, they have no one, they have no clue. You know, I mean that's one of the things that's terrifying at the prospect of and, and that's one of the reasons why I don't like the law and order type of conservative. I mean there's a lot of reasons I don't like them. I mean, count the ways. But they got this idea that if there's, you know, a well functioning criminal justice system that everything works the way it's supposed to. And I'm like, you understand that a lot of these judges are literally senile and that's terrifying like ending up in court under indictment, you know, and there's some literally senile judge who has no idea what the hell's going on or who's decided like he or she hates you because of the way you part your hair.

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you know she's in the midst of some dementia adult delusion where you're some like repair man who like screwed her over like 30 years ago on like a bill or something. Yeah, I mean, like I, you know, and that's really dangerous too. I mean, just because it's perverse for the judiciary to be the seat of sovereignty for all kinds of reasons. But you know, especially when you're, you know, with those kinds of conditions. But, you know. Yeah, but I highly, I can't remember this guy's name on top of my head. He's a younger dude. But I, it's really kind of incredible what was allowed to shake out. And aside from he raised this point and he's. I even people on the right who have legal knowledge, I haven't heard anybody raise this before. I don't want to bore everybody by breaking down the stage three of the case and what went wrong with it, but aside from the fact that Chauvin shouldn't have been indicted in the first place, their entire theory, the case fell apart halfway through because they didn't understand what they were alleging. Like basically they were claiming that as the fellows who are into MMA and stuff will know what I mean by this, the state was alleging essentially that there was a blood choke whereby if you cut off both carotid arteries, you deprive the brain of oxygen and you go to sleep. That's different than a chokehold. The police chokehold that as they used to call it. LAPD got a bunch of shit for that. That's basically a rear naked choke. It's a rear naked show with a sleeper hold. Okay? But there was two things wrong with saying that's how Floyd died. First of all, Floyd is saying, I can't breathe. Okay? If you're being blood choked, you can still respirate because there's not any stress on your esophagus. You can breathe fine. Your brain's not getting blood, so you're going to sleep. Also, there's gotta be pressure on both carotid arteries. There can't be one way pressure. You know, Chauvin's knee is on Floyd's neck. Floyd's got his head turned. Like, what's the equivalent pressure on the other side? You know, and the reason why they chose this theory is because there was no structural damage to any of the internal structures of Floyd's, you know, windpipe, you know, and the coroner's report, which was later squashed and just disregarded, there was 10 or 12 pages, which is very thorough. And this attending pathologist, basically, layer by layer, you know, he stripped away the tissue and irrelevant structures and he said, Floyd's windpipe wasn't crushed or damaged anyway. So the state realized they had a problem. So this was sort of their alternative theory. But then they realized, you know, as the defense, like, Chauvin had no chance. He had a very competent lawyer. But the state, they hired something like 18 lawyers to prosecute Chauvin, like about half a dozen of which were just guys from big shot law firms in the private sector. It was like insane and ridiculous, but Chauvin's defense counsel knew what he was doing. So he started calling witnesses that were indicating, well, you know, the, the, the decedent couldn't have been blood choked. So basically that should have ended the trial right there, you know, And I think a lot of people don't realize that. Like, I think a lot of people have this idea that, well, this was a malicious prosecution, you know, and George Floyd would have died anyway, but, you know, know, he was being choked out. He wasn't, though. Like, don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan at all. This little IDF maneuver of putting your knee on people's necks, that's where it comes from. Okay? But Floyd, you know, one of things low off on this too, is people pretend to care about George Floyd, like, actually don't. And I'm not saying you should feel sorry for George Floyd, but he was a really. He was a really sad, disturbed and messed up guy that's kind of really. And in death now with, like, his corpse is dragged around as a prop. There's something gross about that. But the dude had all kinds of problems. He was a huge man. He was like 6, 7 and like £250. He suffered from giantism. He had pituitary issues. He had a tumor on his inner thigh that may or may not have been malignant. He suffered from atherosclerosis of the most severe type, hypertension. He was addicted to fentanyl. He had amphetamines in his system. It's amazing. George Floyd is walking around and lucid, like, that's incredible. You know, and what I think, too, because I've watched this video. I watched this video probably like a hundred times of Floyd's arrest. And I'm not excusing Floyd's conduct. I think Floyd, he was totally fucked up on fentanyl. I don't think he cared that he was shoplifting, but I think it didn't even really register. And then when the cops arrived, he's totally out of it. And I don't think he's saying, I can't breathe, because he's trying to get him to remove the bracelets and call him an ambulance. I think he couldn't breathe. I think he was having a heart attack, you know? And, like, the stuff he says to doesn't make sense, really, because when Shelvin and the Asian guy, they're trying to put him into the squad car and they literally can't move him because he's this huge man. And it's not so much that he's resisting, is that he's just, like, refusing to move. Which, yeah, he's passive resistance. But then he says, I'm going to the ground. I got to go to the ground. I got to go to the ground. Which I think is like, Hood Floyd speak for, I'm having a fucking cardiac event, I gotta light up. That's what I think happened. And you know, again, I mean that I'm not a doctor, but watching the. And then, too, to be clear. And this also. This came out in court as well, and this was substantiated. It wasn't Chauvin, but his partner or one of the other officers on scene. He called EMTs immediately because he was. He was convinced Floyd was having some sort of cardiac event. And I don't know the geography of the Twin Cities, but apparently the firehouse that dispatches EMTs and fire, they were literally like. Like, like three quarters of a mile away. But it took something like four and a half minutes for them to arrive. So you see Chauvin, and he's wearing black gloves and he's got his hands at his sides. So people, like, see Showman standing with his hands in his pocket. He didn't even care. It's like, no. His partner called EMTs and they. I mean, what was showing supposed to do? Like, he's not an emt, you know, so they're waiting, they're waiting, they're waiting, they're waiting. There's this crowd gathering, you know, like, who are emotionally vomiting all over the place and getting angrier and angrier and angrier and angrier, you know, then finally EMTs show up, you know, and it's like, what's left out of this, too? And I'm not trashing the coppers. You know, There is precedent, especially here, for how the police do things if they want to really tune somebody up or kill them. That these cops are so mad at Floyd that they're going to murder him or like, just him up, you know, his body cams would have gone off immediately. Ain't no EMTs arriving. They would have gone into full riot control mode. You know, two of them would have. Well, two of them, you know, started tooting up Floyd to get him into the car or teasing him or whatever. Those body cams would have gone off, and then, like, Mr. Floyd would have died in custody, you know, and somehow the. Somehow the coroner's report would have been lost. So it all footage of him and the condition he was in when he died. I mean, that's how it happened. So it's Derek Chauvin, this Asian cop, and this black cop and this other guy. They just roll around saying, like, you know, let's like. Let's like kill niggers for sport. But we're going to do it with our knees, and we're going to do it in full view of everybody, and we're going to call EMTs to cover our ass. You know, I realized they tried to. They charged Shogun with constructively. What is their version of felony murder, which itself is fucked up because of the murder doctrine. I don't want to, like, bore you with what this is, but basically, felony murder, there's two variants of it. There's approximate cause version, and then there's, you know, basically a version where you can extrapolate the intent from a. I don't know, like, forcible felony.

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[Bluff]

robbery to the, the death of a, a victim. And you know you can be thus held liable for, for general intent homicide, however, something like an assault. It's the merger, it's the merger doctrine precludes felony murder because that's just regular murder. You know, if I assault somebody by punching them in the face, then they fall and hit their head and they die. You don't, you don't, you don't charge me with assault and felony murder incident to assault. You charge me with general intent homicide. Okay, so they're saying that Chauvin assaulted Floyd with his knee resulting in his death. And because of this gross negligence, you know, that was the proximate cause of, of, of Floyd being murdered. And you know, again, that should have been precluded by the merger doctrine. But beyond that I, that's just a weird thing to claim. I mean like, so I'm not, I mean even accounting the fact these people are proceeding in bad faith. You know, like the. Instead of tuning people up the way you think they would, the cops put their knees on people's necks. What is that? You know it. You know, and like I said, too, to be clear, I. I don't like that idf. And I. I don't like the way the police proceed in a lot of ways. Not because I'm some big shit weird, but I just, I. I don't need to justify myself on that. And anybody who follows my comments, you understand what I'm getting at. But, you know, I. And again, this guy's book, Kevin's Guest, it hasn't been released yet, but I was very impressed with this dude and I highly recommend it. I'm sure it'll be worthwhile and I'd reach out to dude myself, although I guarantee you he wouldn't want to. He wouldn't want to collaborate with me on my content, but it was fine. I'm not saying I'm in my feelings about that. I get it. But, yeah, let me see if I. Let me see if I can find this guy's name. I try and keep other windows closed because I don't want to. Cause I don't want there to be delays or whatever. But

[Thomas]

yes, let's see if I can pull it up real quick.

[Bluff]

I think it's American Scapegoat is the title of the book or no. Or American. Yeah, yeah, American Escape. Go about how corrupt system, sacrifice Derek shown in The Mob by T.J. harker. H as in Hotel A R K E R. Yeah, American Scapegoat. And like I said, yeah, drops on October 27th. But yeah, like I said, I was. I was very impressed with this guy. And also, yeah, shout out to Kevin Deanna. He. Kevin's a dear friend of ours and he's been kind enough to host me on his pod. And he. He's just consistently. He just consistently poaches really interesting guests. And I'd. I wasn't familiar with this guy's booker's work product, but then he. On my YouTube feed, there's. There's this lady, conservative type, but sometimes her guests are interested. I can't remember her name. So she pops up on my feed sometimes. And. But she. Sometimes she has interesting guests on. I think she had Douglas McGregor on time, but so I saw that this was about the Chauvin case, and I'm like, oh, wow, okay, I'll see what this dude has to say. And I was real impressed. And then sure enough, I found out that Kevin Deanna had hosted him. So I highly recommend it. And I mean, like I said, I. I assume that. I assume the man's writing style is similar to how he explicates things on these pod interviews. And he makes it very accessible. You know, it's not full of legalese and stuff that doesn't make any sense. And unless you understand the weird internal logic of criminal jurisdictions and stuff, and that's important news. Like I said, this isn't just a case of. This is the case of bad fate and loses prosecution. This case never would have proceeded based on. Factually into the elements and failure of the. Of the state to carry its burden, you know, under any ordinary circumstances. One also too, what's insane is Chauvin's like the judge was openly discussing how the jury pool was tainted. And during Voradir, these jurors were saying they were answering in the affirmative. And they said, you know, they were afraid that if Chauvin was acquitted, there'd be rioting and their lives would be in danger. So obviously Chauvin is counsel. It was for change of venue. So the judge denied it, his reasoning being, well, all venues are going to be tainted. So, you know, what difference does it make? Well, I'll tell you what difference it makes, man. Like. Like the, like the six of the six and the 40th Amendment guarantee, you know, a right to trial by jury of your peers that's impartial and not corrupted. It doesn't say, well, you know, if all Peninsula Dre pools are, you know, can't be relied upon to deliver, you know, to honor due process. You're just. That's not how it works. You know, I had. This was an interesting. If I could. This TJ Harker dude. If I did have an audience with him, I would wonder how he would respond to the suggestion that Chauvin should have moved for a bench trial. Because, like, don't get me wrong, like, I'm not suggesting. Go ahead.

[Thomas]

No, that's. That's a common. Whenever a cop is brought up on, brought up for trial, probably. I mean, a high percentage of the time they ask for a bench trial also.

[Bluff]

Yeah, and I mean the. Ordinarily it was primarily a question of law, you know, I mean, because the courts, the trial law, the juries are trying to refactor mixed question of fact or law, you know, cuts to the, you know, discretion and presumed knowledge and wisdom of the court as well. And don't get me wrong, this judge was a shitbird, but there was a zero percent chance that this jury would have acquitted him. Well, I think I, in my opinion and like I said, is showing his consolidated competent. Obviously he was aiming to hang the jury, you know, which I guess is the only. Yeah, I mean that's the only strategy. I'm kind of thinking I'm kind of working this out in my mind out loud, you know. But it's. The whole thing's terrible. What's a way weirder case that no one's heard about other than Michelle Malkin years back did a series on it. There's this cop in Oklahoma named Daniel Holsqua. Despite that very teutonic name. He's a. He's Japanese American, he's mixed race. And he was this big like bodybuilder guy. I think he played, he played ball in some, in some pretty respectable program. I think he was a defensive tackle. But in any event he got totally railroaded basically because. And it's got an impeccable background, but he pulls over this, this middle aged black lady who had all kinds of problems. And this lady alleged that he somehow molested her. And there was no evidence of that. So Holt's Claw is basically these IAD types as well as like weird lesbian, like sex crimes prosecutor type. They decide, well, first of all we believe this witness just unconditionally. But then they're like he must have done this before. So they basically started confabulating this narrative that this guy's a serial rapist of like 50 year old like hood women. And the news ran with it like literally putting this dude's face everywhere saying like this guy's a serial rapist. You know, and these like half like out of first the slate of state's witnesses. At first there's something like 21 people, but then more than a half of them recanted. And then this one lady said look, I got charges pending. The cops told me if I didn't testify they wanted. I have trouble, you know, stuff like that. It just, just totally insane. And this Dude's doing like 450 years when he did nothing wrong. It's just insane. And it's even more. What's even crazier than the Shelvin case is like nothing happened. It's not even like there was an incident. But this cop didn't do anything wrong. Like the incident didn't happen. This was literally made up out of nothing, you know. And like I said, nobody's heard about this case. And I can't even imagine doing decades in prison just for something I did do. I can't imagine serving life in, in a penitentiary when I didn't do anything. I mean, that's. That, that's like my worst nightmare, man. You know. But, yeah, I. If you haven't. Excuse me, sorry about the coughing and stuff, if you haven't heard of the. About the host claw case, check that out. It'll. It'll blow your mind. And it goes to show you what's all the two. I mean, if they'll do that to a police, they'll do that to anybody, you know, it's just unbelievable. It. And unfortunately for this cop, this was in like 2013 or 2014, and a lot of jurisdictions are starting to get body cams then. But Oklahoma, I think he was in. I think it was in Tulsa or something. I don't think it was okc, but like, they didn't have body cams yet, so there's no way he could, you know, there's no way he could excavate himself by resort to that, you know, it's just holding's, man. That's also why too, man. I advise. And it's easy me to say, you know, because I'm old and being young is difficult, but I admonish the young guys who are very involved in partisan activity. I mean, you gotta be really careful with females, man. You know, it's not some slam on women. I'm saying there's people who will want to hurt you and they will go as far as putting you in a compromising position and claiming that you're a rapist. And they won't care. They don't care about the shame and stigma that. They don't care about the insanity of. Of framing somebody for something they didn't do. Like, they, they'll do it. They won't even think about it. It happens all the time, you know, that's not to say you should be afraid of females or something, or paranoid, but, you know, you've got to use common sense, man. Yeah, but no, this is awesome, man.

[Thomas]

I'll say no, I'll say that you, you should be careful around women.

[Bluff]

Well, it's also, as you'll notice, man, I. With a. With a handful of exceptions, because they're women who I trust with my life. There's all about two of those. I. I'm never alone with females, you know, and I'm not trying to be some kind of weirdo about it, but I mean, I think, I think I. I think that appears improper anyway, frankly, unless it's your, you know, unless she's your woman. But I, but it's also. I, I don't, I don't, I don't. I mean, what if somebody gets mad at me or. And then does something up in terms of a, you know, a false allegation, you know, and that's a hack. That was a, that was a Ron Paul hack. And that was like something like Ron Paul refused to be alone with a woman, not his wife, you know, and it just, that was like his policy for going back decades. It wasn't just because of, like, me too, you know? You know, again, I'm not, I'm not saying you should be some, like, weird. You're like, be like, afraid of females. But you, there's got to be. You got to be smart about stuff, you know? But no. Thanks so much for participating, man. I appreciate you and I'll. Yeah, I'm, I'm going to Grand Rapids this weekend on, on a very special secret business. I'm just kidding. Well, I'll give everybody a full report, man, and I'm looking forward to it. And I, I'm looking forward to meeting the, the Grand Rapids faction, man. I've been singularly impressed with friends in Michigan. So, yeah, hard stay up, everybody. And yeah, I'll, I'll hit you up by text later, man. All right.

[Thomas]

Thanks, Thomas.

[Bluff]

Yeah, thank you, buddy.

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