Live with RealThomas777 -08/06/26

Summary

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The Pete Quiñones Show

Episode: "Live with RealThomas777 – 08/06/26"

Date: August 7, 2026
Host: Pete Quiñones
Guest: Kevin (“RealThomas777”)

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Overview

This episode is an informal, wide-ranging conversation between Pete Quiñones and Kevin (“RealThomas777”), blending personal updates, travel anecdotes, critiques of social media culture, and reflections on dissident right-wing politics. The tone is loose and candid, with a focus on current events in their circles, changes in online platforms, and the challenges of maintaining outsider perspectives. There is no singular theme, but several recurring motifs emerge: digital censorship, the degeneracy of mainstream institutions, historic revisionism, and the tribe-like nature of online communities.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Personal Updates & Travel Anecdotes (00:00 – 11:35)

• New Smartphone Thanks to Supporters:
  Kevin marvels at his new Motorola Razr phone and credits his Substack advance and subscriber support for making it possible.

  “The subs are incredible man... we got a Kino new phone.” (01:22 – Kevin)

• Michigan Travel Stories:
  Reflecting on a recent trip to Grand Rapids and Hastings, Kevin highlights local character, nostalgia for Holiday Inns, and the Midwest's down-to-earth social life. He reminisces about pinball machines, piano bars, and old Holiday Inns in the 1980s.

  • Anecdotes from Local Bars & Diners:
    Tales about language barriers at a taqueria, local food, live music venues, and the dignity of small-town America.
  • Reflections on Amtrak and Greyhound:
    Kevin discusses train vs. bus travel, the oddities of new train technologies, and distinctive rest-stop food experiences.

2. Shoutout on a Major Podcast & Culture Clash (11:35 – 18:09)

• Recognition and Controversy:
  Kevin recounts being shouted out on Daryl Cooper’s large podcast, which led to a dispute at a local bar over “flying colors." He expresses dismay at being asked to obscure a St. Andrew’s Cross symbol.

  “...I got to tolerate a month long ceremony of people waving a flag that literally means anal sex. But I can’t wear St. Andrew’s Cross. Go fuck yourself.” (15:09 – Kevin)

• Changing Social Mores:
  He laments the rise of performative offense, referencing “Easy Rider” and shifts since the 1970s.

3. Censorship on X/Twitter & Digital Ostracism (18:09 – 30:19+)

• Deplatforming After Tucker Carlson Appearance:
  After being featured in an interview, Kevin’s Twitter account was suspended within 12 hours, blaming coordinated reporting by adversaries.

  "That little Roddy the Rat Dre and his faggot butt buddy, Mr. Boring... They were, you know, like the old queens they are, they were like shrieking about me..." (18:20 – Kevin)

• Attack on Laura Loomer:
  Disparagement of Loomer, her public persona, and the phenomenon of cancel culture exploiting identity politics.
• Critique of “Conservative Inc.” and Online Political Factions:
  Kevin criticizes figures he sees as mainstream-adjacent grifters who maintain power via online alliances and feigned persecution.

4. Defending Intellectual Work and Revisionism (23:24 – 30:19)

• Perceived Mischaracterization:
  He bemoans opponents who don’t actually read or understand his work, analogizing his situation to David Irving and the historical revisionist tradition.

  "If you read the stuff that some of Lipstadt's supporters were saying... they've obviously never read what he wrote." (24:15 – Kevin)

• Defending Long-form Writing:
  He prefers Substack, praises the platform’s respect for writers, and expresses contempt for the shallowness of social media micro-blogging.

5. The End of Social Media & Microblogging’s Decline (30:19 – 40:42)

• X/Twitter's Deterioration:
  Kevin argues the platform has lost its once-unique appeal and is now a haven for petty censorship, run by unaccountable managerial elites.
  • Critiques “woke Hollywood” anti-corporate performativity.
• Alternative Communication Preferences:
  Kevin emphasizes his focus on books and email over ephemeral posting and dismisses DMs as juvenile.

  “...I'm not like a 10th grade girl, man. You know, like, I don't, I'm not like checking Instagram dms...” (39:30 – Kevin)

6. Managing Online Community and Public Persona (40:42 – 43:01)

• On Responding to Messages:
  Kevin receives an overwhelming volume of emails, tries to engage thoughtfully, and laments the lack of patience in digital interactions.
  • Disdain for being regarded as merely an “internet poster.”
• Satirical Moments:
  Example: Radio Fried Gore joked about burning down a Walmart over unanswered DMs. (42:43)

7. Critiques of Figures & Right-Wing Online Space (43:01 – 49:16)

• Targeted Takedowns:
  Sharp criticism of Bill Burr, Jeremy Boring, Rod Dreher, and the “radically gay” nature of conservative leadership.

  "The saying in Washington is, is that the Democrats promote homosexuality and the GOP practices it." (44:11 – Kevin)

• Psychological Speculations:
  Kevin attempts to analyze why certain figures act as persecutors or “rats,” seeing projection and self-loathing at work.

8. Reflections on Activism and Power (48:12 – 49:16)

• On Not Seeking Status Within the Regime:
  He draws parallels to Soviet dissidents, favoring parallel systems and outlaw status over regime participation.

  “…I’m a fucking outlaw first, last and always…” (49:02 – Kevin)

• Dying System and Historical Cycles:
  Asserts current political structures are obsolete, belonging to the previous century.

9. Personal Redemption and Grace (49:16 – 58:09)

• Autobiographical Reflections:
  Kevin shares his own history of addiction, homelessness, and criminal accusations — contrasting that with recent achievements and a sense of grace.

  "A few short years later, I don't use any illicit drugs and I'm comparatively healthy and I've got a whole community of people around me who I love..." (52:12 – Kevin)

• On Public Judgment and Addiction:
  Critique of moral scorn for addicts, defending openness as healthier than hypocrisy.
• Hypocrisy of Critics:
  Calls out those who attack him for addiction while obscuring their own moral failings.

10. Right-Wing Figures and Revealing Contradictions (58:09 – End)

• On Living Honestly:
  Recalls incidents involving Richard Spencer’s public persona vs. alleged private life, arguing that duplicity is a core issue, not sexuality per se.
• Listener Q&A — Ludendorff & the Nazi Party:
  Kevin answers a question about Ludendorff’s exit from the NSDAP, explaining it was not due to pagan cultism, but to political and personal frictions after the Munich Putsch. (59:07)
• Final Reflections:
  Pete wraps up, emphasizing a conversational approach due to intensive recent research. They promise to reconnect for future planned content.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps):

• “The subs are incredible man... we got a Kino new phone.”
  — Kevin (01:22)

• “...I got to tolerate a month long ceremony of people waving a flag that literally means anal sex. But I can’t wear St. Andrew’s Cross. Go fuck yourself.”
  — Kevin (15:09)

• “That little Roddy the Rat Dre and his faggot butt buddy, Mr. Boring... They were, you know, like the old queens they are, they were like shrieking about me...”
  — Kevin (18:20)

• “If you read the stuff that some of Lipstadt's supporters were saying... they've obviously never read what he wrote.”
  — Kevin (24:15)

• “I'm not like a 10th grade girl, man. You know, like, I don't, I'm not like checking Instagram dms...”
  — Kevin (39:30)

• “...I'm a fucking outlaw first, last and always...”
  — Kevin (49:02)

• “A few short years later, I don't use any illicit drugs and I'm comparatively healthy and I've got a whole community of people around me who I love...”
  — Kevin (52:12)

• “The saying in Washington is, is that the Democrats promote homosexuality and the GOP practices it.”
  — Kevin (44:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00 – 03:03: Personal and tech updates, gratitude for supporter community
• 03:03 – 08:54: Michigan travel stories, small town America, nostalgia
• 11:35 – 18:09: Podcast shoutout experience, “flying colors” incident, cultural change
• 18:09 – 30:19: Twitter deplatforming, Laura Loomer critique, right-wing digital intrigue
• 30:19 – 40:42: State of social media, Substack praises, alternatives to big tech
• 40:42 – 43:01: Managing audience communication, being more than an “internet poster”
• 43:01 – 49:16: Attacks on public figures, psychological profiles, “outlaw” mentality
• 49:16 – 58:09: Addiction, grace, redemption narrative
• 58:09 – End: Personal vs. public persona, historical revisionism, Q&A, episode wrap-up

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, unsparing, and full of inside references and harsh language. The discourse mirrors the vigorous and irreverent style of the hosts themselves. Kevin’s storytelling is long-winded and meandering, with numerous segues, but consistently presents deep skepticism of mainstream culture, hostile criticism of perceived enemies, and a self-consciousness about his public role.

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For New Listeners

This episode is more free-form and less focused than typical installments, offering a revealing window into the personal lives, grievances, and priorities of prominent figures in the dissident right sphere. Listeners should be prepared for explicit language, controversial opinions, and an informal, unfiltered tone.

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Transcript

[Pete]

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[Kevin]

They're a little more small town, right? I mean they live in.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah. Like there's Grand Rapids is. I mean Grand Rapids ain't particularly big either. That's where Western Michigan University is. I've forgotten that. They got a pretty good football program. I knew a cat years back. He was a, he was, he played, he was a defensive tackle. He was there on scholarship and he got, he got picked up by the, by the Cardinals. But I mean they didn't make the cut. I mean like most, most guys don't, you know. But he was an interesting guy named Danny Falcon. It's a huge, savage Cuban guy. But I was gonna say. Oh, but no, the. We were in this small town called Hastings that's about an hour outside of Grand Rapids. But I, we say the Holiday Inn. I love the Holiday Inn. Like I was saying, like, I've always, I've. I've always like had good vibes about it. When I was a kid, that's where I'd stay with my folks at la actually was a Holiday Inn. And they had one of those rooftop or not rooftop, but top floor bars, cocktail lounges and they, they still got cocktail lounge at Holiday Inn with a hippio or what. In the old days they'd always have pinball machines, man. And you know, I was always a pinball fiend. And up in Wisconsin Dells, you know, I told you my mom loved Wisconsin Dells. They had a holiday in there with a like old school man with like the old school 1950 sign and shit. I mean this was in the early 80s and they had a full on lounge and piano bar. There'd be some like hokey like lounge singer, you know, some dude with like a very ethnic Spanish or Italian name and like a shiny pompadour, like literally like singing like lounge music. There'd be all these like hefty like Wisconsin ladies like vibing with it, you know, like getting into it and, and like getting all like excited when he come over and like sing to him was hilarious. But they had like a hollow dome. They, they had like a miniature golf, they had ping pong, they had video games. It was a blast. So. But no, this, this Holiday Inn was dope as well. And you also like feel like you're in a hotel still at the Holiday Inn. You go stay at a Motel 6 or something or a Super 8. Your room like looks like a doctor's office waiting room or something. And they got, they got that faux fucking hardwood and they got a chair that looks like the chair in like the dean's office in high school. And it sucks. It's like not a hotel experience, but this is a blast. And right across the street there's this taqueria that was pretty hopping. So we went over there. And there was a language barrier, but there's so many Spanish peoples here. I'm used to that. Or I thought I was. So first I asked, I'm like, you guys got bush mills? And they didn't know what I was talking about. And so the bartender, he went consulted with this waitress. It was like this kind of rotund mamacita. So like, they looked at each other for a minute. And then she like, brought me back something a little got four look over. But it was like a cocktail in a can. I'm like, no, I don't know what that is. I want Bushmills. It's whiskey, you know. So finally I started using sign language and I included in that Bushmill. So I got pointed to Jameson. So then dude brings me a Jameson and Coke. I mean, who the fuck makes a Jameson with Coke? And he put it in like a cola glass. I like, I don't know what this is, man. You can't do this. It's like, finally, like, with more sign language, I got a Jameson and a Budweiser. But the, the tab for my, my drinks and that of my fearless leader, it basically costs like a one drink would hear. So it's. I can't really complain. What? No. And then the fellas, there's this, uh, diner that they go to that's known for their burgers. But I had to get a BLT because I had BLT on the menu. It was freaking delicious. And this lady there wanted to take my picture because she said that there's not a lot of people who look like you who come here, you know. And I'm like, okay, so there's some old lady, like, she wanted relatives. Like, yeah, look at this weirdo. Like, and then. So now it was a charming little place, man. And there was a. We went to this neighborhoody bar that they had a full on stage. And I guess they have like live bands every Friday. And like, you know, I'm like, I'm a. I'm a. I'm a rocker. First lesson always. So I was talking to the barmaid and I was like looking at their flyers and stuff. It looked pretty hopping, man. Like a lot of, a lot of metal bands, but also like some rockabilly stuff, you know, and obviously some country Music is in this thing. Up north they like country music too, you know, which makes sense. But it's not, it's not just, it's not just a Southern or lower Midwestern thing, but. But no, it was great, man. I. Taking the Amtrak is a blast. I think, you know, it's just a quick jaunt. It was. What's interesting is for some of these shorter routes, I've noticed you generally get on one of the newer trains and you know, they, you don't even like, if you go to the bathroom, you just like wave your hand around the sensor and it opens and when you go in there, it like shuts and then like locks automatically. But it's kind of like unsettling because it's like, it's like, what if I can't get out of here? And then like gas starts pouring in. But on the, on the super liners, you know where the doors were.

[Kevin]

The doors wouldn't.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, they weren't. But I was gonna say, oh, the, on the super liners they tend to be older, you know, which is fine. I never had a bit experience in the Amtrak, you know. Oh yeah. And speaking of that kind of thing, I just bought the Portland event is early this year. It's the weekend of October 3rd. So I just got my ticket and for the event, I mean, and I'm going to, I confirmed I'm gonna stay around for the week. I'm gonna go to the coast and visit our dear friends out there and. But I, I gotta figure out how I'm gonna travel. It's. It's a long jaunt either way. And last year I took the Greyhound, which actually wasn't bad, man, I was vibing with it and you stop, you stop in some cool places. Speaking of good eats, in Washington, not far from the Idaho border. It's really beautiful up there. I'm drawing, I'm on a senior mom. I'm drawing a blank on where exactly we stopped. But they, they for the rest stop it was this gas station, but they had like a full on like diner in the gas station. I remember I was starving because I generally only eat once a day. And where we'd stop before that was in this like really grimy hood ass area. So I'm not with this. I'm eating in like a day. So I got, I got these two plain double hamburgers and a big ass coffee and they were just like delicious. Like in. Admittedly I was like hungry enough to like eat my own foot, but you know, I'M from Chicago, man. I know good burgers, you know, and it was delicious. But I, I, I was kind of vibing with the Greyhound. I mean, don't get me wrong, I was feeling a banged up by the time I, I hit Portland, but I am. Track tickets vary a lot, man, so I might, I might take the Hound again just because I can't justify the cost if I can, you know, save like 200 bucks or something. But I'm probably gonna. Because I'm coming from the coast home. I'm gonna take the Amtrak home. But I mean, it bore everybody with like my travel plans and, but, well,

[Kevin]

I mean, I mean, I mean, when you got home, you know, got exciting because, I mean, you got a shout out on the biggest podcast in the world.

[Pete]

Yeah, man, that, that was kind of surreal. And yeah, no, I, and, and they loved it. Daryl Cooper Spoon just said shout out the landmark. I am too, man. I, I mean, I don't want to overreact. Like I said that, dude. I don't, I don't. I didn't like this before he pulled that. I really don't like him now. But he literally chased me out the door, was like trying to beg me to come back. I realize it's not, it's certainly not because I'm not handsome and I can't dance. It's because I spend money, you know, and some people were saying like, maybe you overreacted. And it's like, well, I don't know, man. It shouldn't become an issue in the first place. And I'd, I've been going there since I came back from Baltimore, which, geez, I mean, that's like five years now, man. You know, I basically wrote the whole book there this last, you know, it's manuscript published in now and everybody knows what I'm about. And I guarantee you, because I, I know all the locals in there, man, I guarantee we didn't get complaints. That dude just didn't. He just decided he didn't like me there anymore. Like, that's what it was, you know, and he can't fight city hall. But also, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to spend money at a place where, you know, I'm not respected, man. You know, and plus, you know how that's going to shake you out, you know, it's, I don't, I'm not gonna wear anything on my person that I don't stand by and represent, so I'm never gonna remove any colors, man. Like, and if you put, if you put your hands on me, I'm stab the out of you. But, you know, so obviously I'm not some punk or, you know, so if you tell me I gotta, you tell me I can't fly colors in there. I'm not, I'm not going to comply, man. I'm just going to leave, you know, and like I said, I wouldn't, I wasn't, you know, it's the bloodstained banner, man, the St. Andrews cross, you know, how dare you say that's offensive. I got to, I got to tolerate it. Like, I got to tolerate a month long ceremony of people waving a flag that literally means anal sex. But I, I can't wear St. Andrew's Cross. Go fuck yourself. Plus, I mean, even, even if I was being a dickhead, which I wasn't, you know, it's a free country, man. You know, people can like wear whatever they want, you know, it's like, yeah, you can like refuse people service, but then just say like, I don't like you, so I'm not gonna serve you. Don't, don't pretend that there's some principle at work here that must be abided. You know, I don't sound like some cornball or like hand kill or something, but it's like this is still America, is it not? Like, we don't do that here. You know, like I said, I, it's like when I was down in bitumen, when we were down there, like if I'd accidentally walked into like a black club or something and like the doorman's like, look, man, like, go. I would have been like, hey, I'm sorry, man, I didn't realize, you know, it's. I'm not gonna go with a, you know, step on other people's toes or something or be a dick. But, you know, it's like, this is. I've been coming to this place for five years. I always spend money. I'm always incredibly kind and generous to the staff. Plus I'm local to this town. I mean, admittedly, I didn't leave here for 30 years. That's where I fucking grew up, man. I grew up down the street from that fucking place. You know, I was grossly offended, man. You know, and I, it didn't mitigate that. The dude backpedaled because it. And like I said, I didn't. I don't know, but it's not important, man. I. Plus, I don't. It's a change in the culture, man. You know, I. 30 years ago, 40 years ago, you know, longer. I mean, memory was back a minute. You know, I'm gonna be 50 in a couple weeks. This thing where people pretend that they're offended, that didn't really used to happen. Like, basically. I mean, obviously, if you were acting like an idiot in church or something, or if you were wearing a genuinely obscene shirt, or if you were using foul language around kids or, like, loudly and liberally, like, telling, like, nicker jokes around black folks, like, somebody would check you and. But also that's. That's behaving like an asshole, so they should. But even, you know, I. Like, I was telling our. Our homie and our patron who, you know, and our fearless leader who I went to Grand Rapids with. So I watched one with Easy Rider the other day, and, you know, like, the other part where Captain America and Billy and the Jed. Miguel Sin was like. He was like, sandbatch in that movie. They, like, going to the diner, and I was right next to like, is that a woman or a man? You know, he was like, I saw two of them Yankee queers kissing each other. You know, can you believe that? And it's like, yeah, in America's, like, I think we're like, get the out of here. Then later on, like, some of them guys, like, you know, the. They blow away Billy and. And Captain America. But, you know, I mean, that's like. That's like, what's ironic, because the fantasy of the kinds of guys who are into that, they're like, yeah, you know, like. Like boomer types, but also their spiritual progeny, they have this idea that they're like, those guys. And when it's like, man, you're the. You guys are the establishment. You're the ones, like, throwing, like, me out of places, you know, like, for, you know, I guess not. Not abiding some imaginary convention or, you know, I. It's. It's a joke, man. I. But I mean, it don't matter, man. Whatever. I mean, I. I try not to. I try. I try not to get angry with people unless it's. I mean, in personal terms. And I try to avoid negativity because I think ultimately that kills you, literally. But also, it's no way to go through life. And I mean, I'm very lucky, man. You know, like, to your point, I got a shout out on a huge podcast. All kinds of people show me love. And I'm. I'm making an impact on my writing. You know, what does it matter? It really doesn't. It just tips me off.

[Kevin]

Go ahead so how long after the Tucker interview dropped was your Twitter account nuked?

[Pete]

Oh, less than like 12 hours. And I. I know exactly what happened, too. Like that little Roddy the rat Dre and his faggot butt buddy, Mr. Boring. They. They were, you know, like the old queens they are. They were like shrieking about me. And so was. So is a Muppet face Loomer, who's a. She's a doppelganger for that evil puppet in the Saw movies. But, you know, like I said on a video set rep. I. I'm the last person got standing to, like, make fun of people's looks. And I'm. I'm also not one of these creeps who goes around calling women ugly. But Laura Loomer is legit. One of the strangest looking people I've ever seen. I've seen her in the flesh because she made a big deal about trying to snub me.

[Kevin]

I.

[Pete]

Absolutely no desire to speak to this woman at all because she's gross in every way. But her boyfriend or her husband, I have no idea if he's married or what a deal. But she was with some guy who obviously was some kind of romantic partner. Okay. He came over to my table where I was with Kevin Deanna, who's a great guy, you know, as we mentioned. And this guy sat down, he knew Kevin. And like, you know, I started like, me and this dude started talking. I had like, boomers, man, because I'm a polite guy, you know, somebody's respectful. I'm not going to be a dick to him just because I don't like the woman they showed up with. And we were like, you know, we. We were like joking around and stuff. And you know what? So he, he wasn't being weird, but she was. She's just, She's. She's a really gross and really bad person.

[Kevin]

Mean.

[Pete]

She's like, really, really, really stupid. So, I mean, I'm not, you know, it's not, it's. People aren't in danger of, you know, falling under her persuasion, but. And she's just like a weirdo, too. Like. Go ahead.

[Kevin]

Oddly, the way she carries herself, she kind of reminds me of Hillary Clinton.

[Pete]

Yeah, that's not off base, but at least Hillary Clinton seems a real. I'm not saying it's cool of attractive women act like they're great or that, you know, you should show them some kind of deference, but I, I get how that goes. Their head, you know, he's hilarious. Clinton doesn't think she looks like Melania. Trump or something. Laura Loomer. Honestly, she, she walks around like she's like a supermodel, which is like this short, fat lady. Like, I mean, she's about my age too. It's not like she's, you know, a youngster. And, and she literally, it looks like some Halloween mask was grafted onto her face. She looks like the Joker or something. It's like, lady, you know, again, I, I, I, I've got no standing talk, you know, I'm not gonna win any duty contests, I'm gonna put it that way. But I also don't walk around and look at Brad Pitt, you know, like, she seemed to think she's like, literally like this incredibly attractive woman, you know, and.

[Kevin]

Dude, she's 30. She's 32 years old, okay?

[Pete]

It's hard to tell. Like, I, Especially with females. She could be 19. There's some, there's some women who are like 16 and they look like, you know, a mom. Like, what? Whatever. But point being. And then her, her, one of her big kinks is saying, like, that she's oppressed and she's canceled and I can't even get a bank account. I mean, first of all, like, that's fucking bullshit. That's just a lie. Secondly, it's. She's some weird dual citizen Jewish lady who's plugged into all these NGOs, and, and, and, you know, her kind, despite being a nobody, having no organic following, she gets plugged all the time by, you know, Conservative Inc. Which is obviously like a very connected person. Like, why, why are you pretending that, you know, you're some fringe individual who's just like, a lie?

[Kevin]

One of the interesting things is I forget who did a background on her and found, like, pictures of her when she was a kid. Apparently she was raised Christian and she only chose, yeah, she only, she only chose to become Jewish because it was politically expedient.

[Pete]

That's even weirder. You know, but that, but that speaks herself. But I mean, who knows too. Like, probably, you know, like, she just like, made up, made up that story too. Like, I, There's. But there's something really wrong with her. And I don't. But also, like I said the other day, these people, my content just kind of beyond them. That's not some stupid flex. But I guarantee you that Roddy the Rat and, and, And Buckboy. Boring. And Laura Loomer. I guarantee you, like, none of them ever read anything I wrote. And I guarantee if they did, they wouldn't even understand it. Just like, in their mind. I'M like a meme, and they've decided I'm like George Lincoln Rockwell or something. You know, it. Like, I know that because, I mean,

[Kevin]

dude, I'm a pretty smart person. And some of the things you write, I have to read a couple times, so it's not hard.

[Pete]

Yeah, no, and I. I get it. Thank you for the compliment. But I. I mean. But no, I appreciate that. But it's also. It's not even that I'm so smart. It's that these people, like, really, really, really stupid, but they, like, in their mind. Well, it's the same with David Irving. I'm not comparing myself to Irving, but if you read the stuff that some of Lipstadt's supporters were saying and even some of her trial team were saying about Irving, they've obviously never read what he wrote. You know, and to his credit, Finkelstein actually pointed that out. He's like. He's like, I don't particularly like David Irving, but he has. You don't understand his argument because you've never read what he wrote. Like, in your mind, he's just bad guy, anti Semite, according to, you know, some innuendo or rumor regarding, you know, his position on. On. On. On a Holocaust esoterica, you know, and until Irving's book, Hitler's War, which is the seminal book on the war from the, you know, from this. I don't want to say from the side of the German Reich, because it's. It's not a partisan book, but it's from within. He's telling you what Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, and particularly OKW Von Brauchic, when. And, you know, when he was in a command role, yodel, you know, and what, you know, what was. What was within their conceptual horizon as the war progressed at each phase. That was considered for decades the seminal book on the German Reich at war. It was in the West Point library until Lipstadt EDL lobbied to have it yanked. I don't think it's because at West Point, there's a bunch of National Socialist right wingers who are into deep revisionism. You know, I mean, it. You know, and it says it all, too, that if you go to. I mean, admittedly, Wikipedia's horseshit, but you'll go to Wikipedia and it'll say, like, David Irving is a Holocaust denier who has been discredited. It's like, okay, the. The destruction at Dresden, you know, who collaborated on that book with him? Bomber Harris did. The guy who literally ordered the attack, wrote the book with him. So Bomber Harris is discredited. Like, like Debbie Lipstadt knows more about the bombing of Dresden than Bomber Harris. That's interesting. Like how can he be discredited? You know, but Ira Eaker wrote the intro, you know, and he was instrumental in the Strategic Bomber Survey, you know, as a contributing author in addition to the fact that he was a, you know, he served at the U.S. army Air Forces in a, in a lesser command role. But yeah, Radio Fragor says, as some lefty said, Ernoldi is some insane Nazi. Yeah, I mean that Ernoli was very much a German conservative in, you know, in the mold of, in the mold of his predecessors intellectually. And if that, I mean that was Noli's whole point. The Habermas is this is a faith based enterprise. You know, you're not, even if you want to be vulgar about it and compare numerical attrition numbers, which I don't think is constructive, but even if you do that, you, you know, you can't make the case that we've got to exceptionalize this narrative and battle it with nakedly theological concepts and moral renderings. But yeah, these people don't read. I mean, I may, I'm sure this is an old person lamech, but I'm always remember when my ops actually were literate. You know, at one time the left did read books. You know, they didn't, their entire world wasn't, their entire worldview wasn't structured around memes and one liners and just deciding that, you know, everything bad that happened is because of Donald Trump. But Donald Trump is also Adolf Hitler somehow, despite being this huge Zionist,

[Kevin]

you

[Pete]

know, I don't know. But to bring it back, that was ranty. Forgive me if I don't want to be a bore. Um, but I mean X, the, the all experience of X has become entirely negative. I mean, even notwithstanding the fact that I, you know, I'm 50 years old, I don't want to and my time's valuable to me and I don't know how much I have left, but I, I don't want to, I don't want to waste time and effort writing stuff on a platform where if, you know, some pathetic sub human like Roddy the Rat is going to go tell on me and then I'm going to be de platformed because another adult man told on me. Yeah, I, I, I don't have LARP elementary school in late middle age. But beyond that it's, it's just a garbage platform. Like even, even though I'm not out and out Banned. They shadow ban me. They throttle my posts. I'm constantly getting bombarded with disgusting and obscene hate messages and. Which I don't care. I mean, that reflects on those people, not me. But I got better things to do than put myself in a position where I can just be targeted by people's aggro. And they say disgusting things. And even people who seem to be at least nominally respectful and supportive of the con I'm putting out there, a lot of them are just like really stupid and they don't get it, you know, so it's like, why am I wasting my time? You know, I'm kind of disengaging from there more and more anyway. And like I said, I'm not patting myself on the back about a great. At, you know, sustaining a voluminous workflow, but, you know, I'm about 80 pages in already to this new manuscript of writing Antenna will be titled White Riot. I don't know if I'm going to keep that title or not. I think it's kind of funny. But. And I think this book is.

[Kevin]

Those of us who listen to the clash, definitely, definitely appreciate it.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But point being, you know, I, when I'm in the right frame of mind, you know, and God be praised, the past couple months I've been feeling pretty healthy, but times my energy levels are really poor, you know, I don't, I shouldn't be expending time and mental energy or around on apps and I was just also on principle, I don't, you know, one of the reasons I like Substack is because they treat me very well and they treat writers very well, you know, and through stripe capital, if you've got a profitable brand, they'll, they'll even advance you so you can do long form writing and not worry about being able to pay for groceries on your phone bill. You know, I owe Striped Capital into subs a lot because that's how makes this possible. So compare that to something like X where you got, you know, you. If some, if some weirdo Zionist they get, literally tells on you, you get deplatformed. I, you know, why would I waste my time with it? Plus, I've never liked micro blogging, man. I'm gonna, it's not just because it's very limiting, you know, And I think, and beyond that, even I think microblogging is kind of run its course, man. I think, I think, I think it's just kind of dying. Yeah, I don't think what's. I don't, I Don't think the scroll mean pure meme. TikTok format is a good thing. But that's basically what's replaced. It's X is just going to become X is X is just going to become what Facebook is. It's going to be, it's going to be oldsters. It's going to go up some echo chamber of oldsters and nobody's like Roddy the Rat and, and Butt boy boring and, and you know, Lunar, you know, preaching to a diminishing choir of, of, of, you know, dedicated women. But. So I don't need that man. You know, of course, like I said, I don't, I don't want to be macabre and I, I don't think I'm gonna die anytime soon. But you know, I don't know how much time I have with man, I need to spend my time being as productive as possible with this long form stuff, you know. But yeah, Peter said X would have lasted a lot longer than senatorship. Yeah, it definitely would have, man. That's really all it had going for it. The what put X on the map. I mean, what, I mean, Twitter's been around forever. It's been around since like 2005. You know, people forget that and nobody gave a. About it until suddenly it started blowing up. Because all these politicos and commentators, you could access them and interact directly with them and basically, unless you were threatening to come to people's houses and murder them, you could say whatever you wanted, you know, so that's, that's why it was popping, you know. And then obviously the run up, obviously Trump utilized it to great effect, you know, in the run up to 2016. But like that, that's all it had going forward. It's not the microblog format. So cool. The software is janky and weird. There's a lot. It's a pain in the ass. Half the time it, Even if you've, got, even if you've got a cutting edge smartphone, half the time the app will crash if you try and upload a video and you know. Yeah, so I was. But it just goes to show you people don't care about profitability. That's why these, I mean first of all, they, they, you know, they, they're, they're not accountable in, in, in, in market terms. You know, the market's not correct. Unlike shareholder accountability. Isn't there when you're talking about, when you're talking about social media because it's so politically coded. But you know, they don't care. It's saying it's the same thing when these, these fools, like, critical drinker and all those, like, phonies who were like, you know, know, we're. We're campaigning against woke Hollywood, so they like, build these whole, like, phony brands around complaining about woke Hollywood, but then they're always like, yeah, Disney's gonna go broke because of C. It's like, that's like saying, like, the Fed is gonna go broke because of Donald Trump. You know, like, it's like, get serious, man. They don't care. You know, X. Whoever Rabbi Elon's got running it, they. They don't give a. You know, I guess. Well, they fired.

[Kevin]

They. They fired the. They fired the Jeep that was running it, and now they. And to replace him, they. They put in place a jeet and a Jew.

[Pete]

Oh, yeah, Curtis told me that. He's like, yeah, the guy. I can't remember the name. He's like, yeah, the guy, like, really hates you, man. I'm like, apparently. It's like, I, it's like, whatever, man. I don't hate him. I. You know, plus, I mean, what. I. What I don't. They. To give you an idea of the pettiness, because believe it or not, I'm not just talking. I. I actually have never once violated TOS on X. I mean, over. Over six years. I never have once. They banned me this last time owing to like, this, this, this, this zerg rush of reports. Because, like, when I said Lindsey Graham is still dead and I felt like a laughing emoji, they said that I. I'm advocating violence. I'm like, the man died of natural causes. Like, unless I'm God, I don't. I'm advocating heart attacks. I'm. If. How's that possible? That's a logical fallacy. But then again, you'll have guys like Keith Oberwoman or literally every day, they. They're calling for the death of Donald Trump or, Or some idiot like Bill Burr who goes on saying he's like, happy when that weirdo kid whacked that insurance executive. So it's just, like, transparent. It's like if you're not. If your whole. If your policy is, you know, people who criticize Israel get deplatformed to say that. Don't, don't pretend that. Well, Terms of Service says this and, you know, we're going to pretend that that's the pretext. It's like, don't pretend, man. Just, you know, be transparent in that regard. It's like you're. You're It's. It's not a public venue. I mean, it's a. It's a privately held social media platform you can ban wherever you want. Just. Just say that, you know, like, don't pretend that there's some sort of nominal public interest that is being defended against. You know, I don't even. Other than in context, I'm not, you know, I don't even really use racial slurs, man. Not because I'm afraid to. I just. That's just not really the way I speak about things, you know, So, I mean, this idea that, I mean, that's another way you can tell people to read my content. Because, like I said, they seem to think. They seem. They. They think, first of all, they think of a meme, and, and secondly, they, they don't understand what I write, or they think I'm like George Willing at Rockwell, or I'm some guy who sits around like, telling racial jokes or something. And there's a time and a place of that. I mean, don't get me wrong, but it's not really my thing. And so, I don't know. But it's for the best anyway, because, I mean, what am I. What am I getting out of social media? Plus, like, the signal chat is always hopping, and that's, you know, that's something I really appreciate the fellows and girls doing. I. I try and at least dip in there once every day, usually in the morning when I'm in coffee. But I. I don't spend as much time in there as I. I'd like to, but like I said, it's been from Inception, it's been very active, but I don't have to. But no, I don't need that. And I think it's a place for Instagram because, like, I. I finally just like, take a lot of pictures, you know, And I'm not a big fan of the Instagram software. I don't think it's fairly user friendly and I just don't like it. But that's where everybody's at. So, you know, I don't need to be on bullshit like Twitter. And plus, I mean, it's easy to hold any man. Like, I've got a fucking website. You go there, you can access my email. And that's what I prefer anyway, man. I tell people not to DM me on any platform because I don't check that. You know, it's like I can't be keeping up with a bunch of different social media dms. It's just, it does just email me that's why I have an email address. I mean, that's why, that's why I got the frog phone when this phone exists, so that Archadre can reach out to me. So I don't, don't feel like, hey bro, like on, on instant, on Instagram threads. I like shouted you out. You're a dick. Why did you answer me? It's like, because I'm not like a 10th grade girl, man. You know, Like, I don't, I'm not like checking Instagram dms or like, I'm not on like the Secret Squirrel mastodon social media where you know, you, you do the fucking hokey pokey and like punch yourself in the dick and you can access the secret DM file. It's like, just email me if I, if I don't know you, I'll let you. And assuming you're not a weirdo, I'll give you the frog phone and then we can talk over text. That's what we normally.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I, I have to tell people that if you, if you like text me or hit me up on substack and I don't get back to you right away. I, I don't get back to people that I like know right away sometimes. So, you know, please forgive me, you know, and most of the new like stuff on substack will get put into like a, a folder where you have to like okay it and everything. So it's not that I'm ignoring you, I may just be ignoring everybody at, at that point.

[Pete]

So also, and I, I wanted to be clear that this isn't some stupid flex because I, you know, I don't give a shit about Internet clout or whatever, but I, there's times where in a week I'll get like 140 emails, you know, I, I, I can't just like answer that rapidly and you know, unless it's something that's obviously really stupid or whatever. I actually read what people send. You know, that takes time, man. You know, and I, I, I carve out dedicated time usually on, on Sunday or whatever and I'll like answer like 10 emails. We used to go by where we get like three emails. But there are times where I get like a huge volume that's starting to happen again. I assume because I was on, or I assume because Daryl was on Tucker plugging my work product. But the point being, you know, people get, and I've also, people too have no patience anymore. It's like, look, man, if like two weeks go by, I don't Give. It's like, first of all, we don't know each other personally, you know, don't get in your feelings. And you know, especially if you ask me some like four part complicated question. It's like, what do you want, man? Like, you know. But no, I, I don't want to sound embittered, like a dick. I, I appreciate that people reach out and you know, want to engage. I mean, that's why like I have that fucking email. But yeah, but no, I, it's. It's better this way, man. And like two, it pisses me off. And, and I mean, the people are truly widows. Don't think this way. But I get pissed off. These, there's like these idiots who think I'm like some Internet poster. It's like, bro, I write books, man. Like, I'm not, I'm not some like Internet guy who like drops one liners, you know. Like it's not, you know. And I'm not saying I'm like God's gift, historical revisionism or some fucking genius political theorist, but it does irk me a bit when people act like the sum total of my life's work is like some stupid joke I made on Twitter five years ago. You know, I say, get your head out your ass.

[Kevin]

I'm laughing at what, what Radio Fried Gore said. Here he goes. Pete didn't answer my DM in five minutes. So I sent death threats to the President and burned down a Walmart. Now I'm going to federal prison. Federal prison.

[Pete]

Why'd you do this? It's awesome.

[Kevin]

Oh man. Yeah.

[Pete]

Bill Burr is literally this. He's like, he's like some like enraged gay man who obviously has a tiny dick. So like he's just like constantly in rage mode and he's got this like really, really ugly black woman who's. His beard. Like he pretends he's a married dude. But it's, it's like that, that dude just like screams like, I am a self hating closeted gay man. Like, I mean, it's like so obvious, you know.

[Kevin]

Well, that's Jeremy. That's also Jeremy Boring and, and Rod Dreher each other.

[Pete]

But yeah, go ahead.

[Kevin]

Yeah, yeah. Even, even Candace Owens is like, Candace Owens is like, look, I used to work there. Jeremy Boring is a gay man.

[Pete]

It's like, well, there's something, there's something wrong there. And I'm not, I'm not one of these fucking dickheads who goes around saying Rudy Gay. But like at a. But there's obviously something wrong with that guy. And he's obviously most conservatives, everyone knows

[Kevin]

that like the conservatism and the GOP is like radically gay. You know, they say that. You know, the saying in Washington is, is that the Democrats promote homosexuality and the GOP practices it.

[Pete]

Yeah, no big time. What's also too. I don't. Well, especially like Roddy the Rat. I mean, in the case of. In the case of James Lindsay, that dude like Corky. Corky's literally mentally disabled. You know, like, I'm not being funny, he's a fucking mongoloid. So that explains that. But in the case of Roddy the Rat, who takes on the prejudices of ethnic groups they're not part of, like, who does that. That goes beyond being a pathetic identity crisis case or just going along to get along. That. That's totally bizarre. And there's something. I'm not. I don't. I don't like, want to be one of them people who plays armchair psychiatrists because that's lame. And this way, there's way too much of that. But if your big mission in life is I'm gonna go around pretending I'm Jewish when I'm not and mustering faux outrage at other people for what I think would offend me if I was Jewish, even though I'm not, and I'm gonna go as far as to tell on people to try and get them fired on behalf of the Jewish race. I'm not part of just a bit of the fact anybody would have the energy to do that, to sublimating something very dark within themselves. You know, in Roddy the Rat's case, maybe it's because he loves cock, maybe it's because his nice to him. I mean, who the fuck knows? But there's something there.

[Kevin]

He left his family and went to a country that is known for hyper masculinity. So maybe there's something there.

[Pete]

Well, also something I told Burden and that this is not in any way, shape or form a threat. I'm speaking dispassionately and I'm observing something riding. The Rat's got to be real careful how he proceeds, man. Especially if your whole fucking kink is. I go around getting people fired. You're basically taking away people's reason to care. You know, somebody's gonna fucking do that, dude, man, and no one's gonna be sad about it. I'd be watching my back if I were Roddy the Rat. Bad things happen to rats. And again, no, that's not a threat. I wouldn't do anything to Roddy the Rat. I pity him.

[Kevin]

Yeah. It's not a threat. I would never do anything to him. But, you know, it was probably a really bad idea for him to move to Birmingham, Alabama.

[Pete]

Well, that too. Yeah. But, I mean, a lot of, like, A lot of closet cases. He probably fantasizes about, like, being murdered or something. I mean, he's obviously a very sick and disturbed and sad little guy, you know, but honestly, too, like, I, When I do get. I mean, I realize that it's, It's. There's nothing negative about people finding potentially cathartic, but people, like, it was so awesome if you, like, owned, like, Dre and his and, And. And. And boring. And, like, these guys are beneath me, man. You know? Like, don't get me wrong, if I cross paths and Roddy the Rat, I tell him exactly what I thought of him, you know, and I'd. It wouldn't end well for him. I put it that way. And again, it's not a threat, but these aren't on my level, man. You know, it's like, I don't. I, I don't slum it by, by arguing with subhumans, like, like, to own them, you know? Like, I. That'd be like. That'd be like some dude who's, like, an MMA champion, like, hanging around in bars, like, looking for, like, local God, like, local tough guys to beat up on in, like, trailer park towns. Like, that's not a good look. Like, what, What, What. What am I gonna get out of, like, making Roddy the Rat look stupid? He does that. He does that on his own, you know? Plus, like I said, we're gonna. I, I, I, I only associate or engage with my equals, man. You know, he's. He's beneath me. So we're all these people.

[Kevin]

Yeah, that's one of the biggest problems. That's one of the biggest problems I have with these guys who I generally like. Who. They're like, oh, you know, gonna go to Washington, D.C. and get. It's like, nah, man, you. Not to mention the thing is just unfixable and not even worth your time. The pe. The kind of people you're going to have to associate yourself with is what? These people, they are literally beneath you. Why would you.

[Pete]

It misses the point. It'd be like saying, like, nobody was saying to Solzhenitsyn in 1981, like, yeah, you gotta. You gotta go join the Communist Party and get in the politburo and, like, own Yuri Andropov and tell him what he's wrong. It's. What are you Talking about, you know, I, yeah, baklav.

[Kevin]

Hl just, you know, basically creating, creating a, a parallel, you know, a parallel system and a parallel culture. Basically did way more than any of these guys are gonna do.

[Pete]

Yeah, well, no, exactly. And I, I don't, you know, like I said, I, that's one of the reasons why I geeky hard as I do. It's not just because you want to. I don't want psychos and, and flakes or scumbags and like Orbit. But also like even people aren't bad people. A lot of them just, they're not with the program, you know, I'm not, I'm not a meme or some fucking comedian nor, nor am I some guy who like desperately wants to, you know, be part of government or be part of regime. That's the opposite what I want. I'm a fucking outlaw first, last and always, you know. And anybody who's serious about their partisan commitments, I mean, that's, that's the way they identify, you know. Plus, I mean the whole, even if that wasn't the case, even if, even if you're somebody who has faith in governmental solutions, I mean the point I'm always making, and this isn't a partisan point, I mean, arguably all things are partisan, know, particularly if you're talking about the conceptual side of politics. But this, this, this structure is obsolete. It is ceasing to exist. You know, it's, it's gonna be another century before this, you know, it, it's, it's really in the terminal, truly terminal phase structurally. But I mean, it's all around you. Like why, why, why, why would anybody ban wagon on a dying system? I mean, I guess most people only think in terms of their own lifetime. But you know, it's not, it, it's, it belongs to the, the previous sensor. The preceding century, you know, but that's, but I mean, more and more, you know, like I said, I, one of the reasons I don't succumb to anger, I mean, and don't get me wrong, you know, like, I, I can be, I can be kind of high strong to say the least. I, you know, I'm not, I, I get angry more than I'd like to admit, but day to day, I, I, I generally don't succumb to that. And I mean, look at how, look at how amazing things have turned out. I mean, that's why I don't yield people who say insulting and horrible things to me or about me. But you know, I, one of the reasons I'm transparent about my past and my, you know, the fact that I, I struggled with addiction and things and I was homeless is, you know, that, that's a testament to the providential design of what's happened. You know, not, not that long ago. I never lost my faith in God and I never wanted, I never wanted to die. But you know, my, my life was pretty awful, man. And a lot of that was my fault, you know. No, but nobody made me like shoot a heroin. I did that to myself. But things were pretty nightmarish and I, I didn't have a single real friend, you know, and I'm not self pitying or something. I mean, it's just a fact. And I, you know, and when I, at that time, when my, when my friend died in my room and the police tried to get me to admit to murdering him by providing him with narcotics, which I didn't do, but I, that was like the darkest day of my life, man. Other than maybe, you know, when my, when my brother told himself or my mom died. But you know, like a few short years later, I don't use any illicit drugs and I'm comparatively healthy and I've got a whole community of people around me who I love and I like my family and I got friends like Daryl shouting me out on Tucker Carlson's pod. That, that is nothing short of amazing, you know, so obviously I'm in the grace and favor of God or I'm simply pretty good at what I do. That's like why I kind of chuckle when people. You're a junkie piece of shit. It's like, well yeah, but you're working at Walmart and I'm getting shout outs on national podcast. So it's like if you were homeless and strung out, you'd just be dead or you'd be like, you know, doing time behind killing some old lady for $20.

[Kevin]

I mean, think about the kind of person who goes, oh, you're a junkie and everything. I mean that, that's what like old people would say in like the 60s and 70s about, you know, it's like what squares would.

[Pete]

Well, that too. Like, I don't, you know that I don't understand that either. Like, I don't know, it's like why? It's like, like I'm not saying you should feel bad for addicts or anything, but it's like why, why, why am I just like evil, like irredeemable person? Because I gotta draw the problem, you know, Like I don't understand that. Why, why that's like this gross, like, moral failing. Like, they'll act like they'll be. Well, these are the same people too. Like, they think it's. They'll. They'll consume porn or they'll. They'll. With like, some podcast like. Like that Adam22scumbags podcast. Some dude is like, literally a pimp who, like, pimps his wife out. And, like, they don't think that's particularly weird. You're a junkie. You got a really weird value system, man. You know, like, if that's what you come at.

[Kevin]

Yeah, these are the people. I saw the same kind of people who will, like, go at you for being a junkie, where the people who are like, what. What do you care about Epstein, bro? There. Nothing. There's nothing there. That's a. That's Democrat. That's a Democrat hoax, bro.

[Pete]

Yeah, or if, like, you're not. Or if you're not some, like, pervert, like, creepy old guy who's like, perving on young girls. Like, what? Oh, you know, like pussy, man. Like what? Like, I literally, like, hear guys talking this way, and when I'm like, out and about, I mean, not. Not friends of mine, obviously, but I. Yeah, I like, overhear shit and I. You know, I don't know, man. It's fucked. And plus, all the. Too, it's like, obviously. I mean, first of all, no man's without sin, you know, here. Without sin. Let the man without sin cast the first stone. But I was always totally transparent with people, you know, and it's important because you start lying to people, start lying to yourself. If I take an attack saying, like, oh, I never use drugs or whatever, like, I mean, first of all, that. That's bullshit because people are supporting you and backing you and all that. But also, you know, if you. If you tell lies enough, you start to believe them, man. You know, so then over time, it's. You're so used to saying, like, I was never an addict, so then. Then suddenly you actually believe that. Like, I've seen this happen, you know?

[Kevin]

Like, you know what's funny? You know what's funny? I. I actually know of a guy who's anonymous on Twitter who has called you, has, like, oh, why is anybody listening to this junkie who's literally done a dime in state prison for some heinous shit.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kevin]

It's like, wait a minute. What?

[Pete]

Yeah, well, it's also like, yeah, I. Well, that too. I mean, it's like the last thing I think about is what other adult men are doing. In terms of like whether they use drugs or not. I think it matters if you're some sort of predatory pervert or if you lie about stuff. I mean, I remember somebody came at me years back for trashing Spencer and they're like, you know, you know, it's like, you're not so moral, man. It's like, bro, I never pretended to be something I'm not. Like, first of all, Spencer's a scumbag and a liar and a grifter. But multiple people who I trust have told me the dude is like a deeply closeted home. Oh, and if you're carrying on a gay lifestyle while holding yourself out is like, I'm Mr. Right Wing Moral Man. Like you're, you're living a lie and you're grifting people by lying. That's the issue. It's not that like I'm better than a homosexual because my sins aren't as bad as his. It's that he's lying about it. And Spencer came out and said like, yeah, I've been into like gay you. I actually would respect him for that. I saw he was a scumbag. I would be like, well I, I think it'd be kind of gross. He was acting prideful about it. But you know, it's for the guy. The guy's putting on a false front. You know, just like I would be if I was going around saying like, oh, I've never used drugs. Like, how do you see that? You know?

[Kevin]

That's a great, great comment. Deeply closeted, like really.

[Pete]

Well, I mean he's some self loathing weirdo and obviously, he's obviously free Rudy. But he used to do stuff like he had some beard, like some, some like Ukrainian lady who obviously he was like paying to hang out with him. You know, some like only fans type chick. He mostly selfies with his like arm up around her. Well, she's like obviously like totally like indifferent. This is my girlfriend. We're going to get married. See, I like, she's a girl and I'm with her, so I'm not gay. Between the lines.

[Kevin]

There was a question.

[Pete]

No, no, he's. He's Mike Tyson. Can't you tell? Like, isn't he like, isn't he like a totally heterosexual hard man?

[Kevin]

There was a question about, there was a question about Ludendorff earlier. Hold on, let me see. I. Pete Hutter said, I heard yesterday that Ludendorff and his wife were big into semi pagan cult stuff that got them booted from the party. Is that true?

[Pete]

They Were. But no, it's not why they got booted Ludendorff after the Munich pooch which he participated in, he. He came out, he very much came out against Hitler because Ludendorff, I mean Ludendorff was. He wasn't the felt marshal but he was again all like a general major. And I gotta fact check that. But point is he was a general officer. He was credited essentially with devising the 1918 offensive which got within 30 kilometers of Paris. Okay. He was a military genius and he wanted to be treated. He wanted to be treated like the Kaiser, you know, by the. By the National Socialists. I mean, Gearing was a heavy hitter too, and I was part of it. Like Garing didn't respect him. I mean, Gearing led Richtoff in squadron. Like Gearing wouldn't let anybody talk down to him. But, you know, Ludendorff had this idea that lunar for this idea that, you know, Hitler could be used as some kind of battering ram. All under was appeal across, you know, the proletarian and bourgeois divide, among other things. But everybody, everybody, everybody like underestimated Hitler and thought they could use him. I thought he wasn't wise to things, you know. I thought he was some provincial burger Austrian, you know. Like nobody thought, nobody thought Hitler was stupid, but they thought that he was naive and, and they didn't realize that like something, something Karl Wolf said. Carl Wolf was a fascinating guy, but among other things he said nobody really knew what Hitler was thinking ever because he played him so close to the chest. But you can rest assured he was always about eight steps ahead of you, you know. And they also said, unlike what's portrayed in a lot of movies, the Untergang was actually pretty good in this regard. You could stand up to Hitler, but you had to do it one on one. You couldn't do it before an audience or a quorum where he'd savage you, you know, or worse. But you know that. But it goes to show you, a class division's a real thing. Like in America, in America's got its own problems. But if there'd been a, say, some guy like Wallace, you know, let's say in relative conditions there'd been some guy like Wallace leading a. Some direct action revolutionary element. People would take him very seriously. You wouldn't have some general. There wouldn't have been some guy like LeMay like talking to him like he's a lesser or something, you know. And these. That really was sort of the Prussian outlook. I mean, that's the way it was. People associate that with The United Kingdom, and particularly England, as it was somewhat different on the continent. It's not. It wasn't. You know, guys like Ludendorff, they looked at people like Hitler as, like their lessers, you know, like America, like fubar as it is and screwed up as the culture is. There actually is a sense of meritocratic appreciation here. I mean, not. Not in the IQ fetish sense or something, but if you're. I mean, like, look at like Richard Nixon, man. Like, Nixon was a dude. Was. Dude was raised by poor farmers. He was some nobody from the country. But, you know, he was also smarter than everybody else. And that's why Eisenhower took him on as a protege when he was all like 34 years old, like that. That wouldn't happen in a place like Prussia was. And if you're talking about the Kaiserreich, the Kaiserreich was Prussia. Okay? The house that Bismarck built was, you know, the Prussian state with a territorial dominion of 400,000 km or whatever. All right. Yeah, I've been going beyond an hour. I'll wrap it up. This was great, man. I really appreciate you being on deck, Pete, as well as all the subs. I know we didn't really have a dedicated subject today, but I. I've been going really hard on research and long form past few days. I kind of wanted to keep it conversational, you know? Yeah, yeah, we'll. We'll connect up tomorrow to record stuff.

[Kevin]

All right, awesome.

[Pete]

Yeah. Right. Tomorrow's Friday. Yeah, yeah, Yep.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I'll talk to you. All right. Thanks for inviting me.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah, I'll hit you by text. Thank you, buddy. Thank you so much.