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#052 - Charlotte Gill - UK Doge: How the Government Wastes Your Tax Money
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Charlotte Gill is a journalist, investigator, and the driving force behind UK Doge, a movement dedicated to exposing government waste, corruption, and misallocated taxpayer money. In this interview, we discuss the biggest government scandal you’ve...
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I'm very thankful to the Doge movement in the US now because it's just raised the profile. I've really been banging the drum because I think it's, I call it the biggest scandal you've never heard of. I've been trying to raise the roof behind the scenes. I've told newspapers, I said, guys, this is like the biggest. You know, it's huge. People obviously really do care. There's nothing that annoys people more than finding their tax has been wasted on these kind of studies.
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C
Morning, Charlotte.
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Morning.
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C
Just a little bit. Just a little bit. So I knew. I normally have my notes. Oh, these will go back and forth and make noise. They're so annoying. Yeah, I normally have my notes and then never usually look at them, but there's so many questions. I know I have to ask you that. I'm going to make sure I go back to them. This. I've only been looking at this for the last couple of weeks, really. And then I realized you've been doing this for a year. Yeah, it's mental.
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It's really mental. I mean, I've got. I've kind of got used to it. As used to it as you can get, actually. No, I always get surprised. There's always something more, but it's, it's. Yeah, it's mental.
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C
I. I can't believe. Well, is, is the, is the US Doge thing, is that the thing that's triggered every. Oh, dude. The guy said on GB News yesterday, is that the thing that's triggered the awareness for you for what's been.
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Yeah, so I, I started writing about it in 2023. I went, I just went down a rabbit hole. Long story short, I discovered that we'd spent money on a pregnant man study in two phases over four years. The. That's how long it takes to discover the intricacies of pregnant men. And I just went from there, really. And I've really been banging the drum because I think it's. I call it the biggest scandal you've never heard of. I've been trying to raise the roof. I've told behind the scenes, I've told newspapers, I've said, guys, this is like the biggest. You know, it's huge. And no one's been that in. Well, actually, my independent audience has grown a lot because people obviously really do care. There's nothing that annoys people more than finding their tax has been wasted on these kind of studies. But, yeah, I'm. I'm very thankful to the Doge movement in the US now because it's just raised the profile and it also connects. There's a transatlantic connection there. So as the research evolves, people will begin to see that. But they've done the UK a huge favorite by pushing this issue up to the fore.
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C
Are you going to be our Elon Musk in the next administration?
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A
Yeah, well, I'm swiping through. I want to be, and I feel that I've been leading. There are now other, like, Doge wannabe players, like conservatives, actually, but even. But they did lots of spending themselves, so I'm not sure they're the best place. But my Doge uk, so we're founding it at the moment, we're getting the website ready, and I work with a lot of volunteers, people helping me map stuff. It's all cut. So it's evolved very quickly from me writing a substack, blogging about it, to tons of messages from people wanting to help, despairing people from the inside, like whistleblowers, to recruiting sort of geeks, I would say, in the most flattering way, really intelligent people that equally care about it and are now putting, together, like, maps for me. And we do really want to tear it all out. And the good thing when you get volunteers as well, is they're motivated, they really, really care about it. They're not just doing it, you know, nothing wrong with making a living, but for them, it's their country, it's a fight, it's a vocation. So they work so much on these maps and, yeah, I do. Ultimately, I would not do any of this stuff if I didn't have an optimism at the end that we could tear it all out.
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C
Well, it's happening at the right time. Yeah, it's happening at the time. Everyone's really pissed off. One of my friends, quite a wealthy friend, is planning to leave the uk. And he said, look, I don't mind paying tax, but I'm seeing all my money spread out like confetti on absolute constantly and said, I've had enough, I'm done. Yeah, I'm leaving. And I think we're at a time where we're being hammered by new taxes and we're being told there's no growth or what was it, 0.101% growth forecast yesterday. Everything seems to be particularly hard and then you see in all this money being wasted on absolute nonsense. As I said to you, I've been pricing them in pensioners. Everything that you've put in that I've been looking at, I've been pricing them in pensions. I love that I went for the average. So I, I. The pension of winter fuel allowance was up. It was 200 pound if I think under 80 and 300 pound over. So I went to 250 pound each. So the, the Europe that gay pawn built cost kept 3. It's going to keep 3,367 pensioners cold this winter. Yeah, look, it's, look, it's crazy. Okay, so you're building, you're actually building your own. So is this just a research thing you're building or are you building it as a bit of activism to try and drive change?
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Activism. This is 100. Because I think my journalism is always teetered into activism because it's a lot of complaining about things I don't like.
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C
Yeah.
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So, yeah, the main thing, I mean, I've always wanted to audit it. I can't do that by myself. It's just too much. I've tried. There's. But there's so many. I've written hundreds of articles about it. But the sort of. The techie team of volunteers are going to start auditing. You know, being able to automate the re. Instead of me going through manually, there'll be faster ways of getting it all out. And there are really two parts of what I want to achieve. That's number one, the audit. You know, it's a bit like when you take over a business and you want to see, you've got to see like, you know, the business is failing.
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C
Yeah.
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In the case of Britain.
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C
Yeah.
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So the first thing you've got to do is say, well, what's. What we spending on? Let's have a, like, like Musk is doing in the us.
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Oh, this, this is common sense. I was talking to my son about it. We, we have a football club, we have a couple of businesses and every one of Our business businesses has this like set of spreadsheets. At the end of each month. I go line by line and categorize every single spend, I put it into a spreadsheet and then, then we get the order of the month and we can see what we've brought in, what we've spent. And you know, it's not, even if we're not profitable, if we're not profitable enough, we go, well why, if we spent X on water, why have we spent why on gas? You know, we're spending too much electricity. Are we, are we leaving things on? And we every single month we optimize to try and be more efficient and make money.
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Yeah.
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C
And then I'm just seeing, well, how does this not exist in government?
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I know you, you feel they, they actually make, I mean personally, they make me feel like I'm an economic genius. Genius. Because I know what supply and demand is. I'm like, wow, I'm really good at economics. But, but only because they are. So you're like, how are they, how does the left just not realize how supply and demand, you know, they just keep saying like, oh, how are we going to go for growth? But then they just overregulate. And that to them is how you achieve growth.
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Well, there's nobody on the front bench with any business, business experience. Nobody on the labor front bench has run a business. Even the conservative front bench is heavily lacking in people with business experience. So if you haven't run a business, you don't actually understand what it's like to make payroll on a, on a Friday or make a payroll at the end of the month. You don't understand those things. So they, they think they need more money. Well, we'll raise taxes. They don't understand the implications on what that does to business or what regulations do. I mean the stories I could tell you, the difficulty of trying to run a small business in this, in a town.
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Oh goodness. I know, it's, it's, it's like you're being punished all the time. As if, you know. Yeah, like they just take money off people and they just make it very, very difficult to, you know, self employed people are treated like crap. Everything's difficult. But that answer is always just, you know, if anything's going wrong, it's just, let's tax more and they're going to, they are going to run out. And I think because Britain's been, you know, peaceful historically and we've never really had it. I mean it's, it's getting bad.
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C
But no it's bad.
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But we aren't going to run out of money if we continue on this trajectory.
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C
No, I mean, no, I mean, it is bad. Yeah. I could, I don't want to name people, but I know multiple people, wealthy people who are leaving the country and you try and talk to a left leaning person, even a conservative left leaning person about this and they'll say, well, good riddance. They don't want to stay in the house. Well, yeah, but let's not be moron about this. The Laffer curve is real. If you tax on too much, they're going to leave and they're going to Italy, they're going to Lisbon, they're going to, they're going to Dubai, they're going to places where taxes lower or doesn't exist and they're treated like they're going to bring something to their economy and we're shitting on them constantly.
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I know there's so many, there's so many things. Although I do, you know, part of me does wish that everyone wouldn't. I understand why people are leaving en masse, but yeah, we also need people to fight for Britain. There's that. I do notice it's quite endemic, this attitude of this is a failing state, let's just get out of here. Or like telling young people it's the lost cause, get out of here. But if we just, if everyone thinks this, then it just by, you know, we are going to lose if we don't even try. And we've got to. There are ways that we can try and try. Take back control, to quote Brexiters, you know, but, but that is happening.
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C
The work you're doing. Yeah, the work other journalists are doing, independent journalists, you know, the work that certain political parties are doing. I think there is a hope. We've just got four years of bullshit.
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To get through in a way. I think, you know, there's parts of me that wants labor obviously to go as soon as possible, but I also think that whoever's going to win the next election has to get their ducks really in a row. You know, they have to complete. We have to get all of this stuff audited, a new plan in place. And that's not been done at the moment. And that's not an attack on either Conservatives or reform, but that there's time, there's a bit of time to play with that can be used from labor and Power. But, but, yeah, that. But, yeah, things are pained. Yeah, exactly. But things are, yeah, things are happening. But I think historically, what the Right. And, and I, I say the right, but I, I generally just mean people that are normal, you know, people, people just with normal views, you know, like, like yourself running a business. People that just want things to be fine and not like this cold Venezuela. We. When people want to fight back the state and what's going on, it's, it's very like revolutionary talk. They're like, let's. And, but what, what's happened with this whole system that I've sort of been writing about and others have been writing about is it feels like we've been screwed over by Islington lawyers. You know, we have all this, we have Japanese, not weird like state, Japanese knotweed by way of all this bureaucracy, human rights laws, all of this red tape. You cannot, we cannot go and just take to the streets and be like, oh, everything's. And, and the right tends to write. They've been very good at writing articles about. And I know this because I used to be an opinion writer purely. Okay, so we can all take to our opinion articles and say, labor is so awful. And this is. But it doesn't change anything because you're not really getting to the heart of why things are awful. Which isn't just that they're idiots or. I mean, they are a lot of them, but they're plotters. You know, they don't organize like the right. They, they have networks, they have funders, they are secretive. They don't think like a lot of people on the right. Like, you know, we would say that's a democratic outrage. You can't, you know, this sort of, this, yeah. This sort of attitude, like, about fairness that a lot of people have the left, I mean, generally what I've seen in these left wing networks, they just think, oh, you know, if they lose an election, they just think, okay, well what can we do to plot better next time? They don't think, how can we win the argument better they think, how can we be even more secretive, get even more funds? They are real baddies, you know, and, and one of their techniques, one of them, they have a series of fantastic techniques. And one of the one that has worked so well is that, I mean, they're excellent deflectors. So they're always saying to the right, who funds you? You know, Tufton street, dark networks, Russian funding, you know, and so the right are endlessly like on the back foot. They're like, ooh. Whereas they're never, the right are never charging towards the left and saying, who funds you? And that's the only way you'll defeat them by turning it around.
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C
Yeah, Look, I'm definitely going to want to get more into that with you, but I want to get to this.
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Oh, yes, yes.
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Let's get into this and identify the problem and then I want to talk to you about the political stuff as well. But I do have a couple of questions up front. So one of the things I was thinking about with this spending is that, have you got any actual stats on the amount of money that is allocated to this? Have you done any kind of audit of the total amount that's been allocated to stupidity?
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Yeah. So the UKRI is perhaps the most stupid quango I found. That's the UK Research and Innovation and that gets just under 9 billion per year from taxpayers. And the one. So the one that I would, you know, if I was pm, I'd scrap. So the ukri, and also Arts Council England. So these are all quangos, basically. You know, they. The government wants to do, you know, they've got this university quango, ukri, Arts Council England. You deal with the arts. That's the sort of attitude you take that one. So UKRI, yeah, just under 9 billion a year. And their worst council is the Arts and Humanities Research Council. And that gets. So between 2022-25, that got 207 million pounds. And I'll just read you some of the studies that it's. And these are not. These aren't like, oh, you've taken the most rogue ones. These are very much normal for this body.
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Connor, can you do the. Just the calculation in pensions for these. Also, can you just quickly look up what was the total savings by scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I just want to see where that's.
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So this. So Arts and Humanities Research Council, the Europe that gay porn built. 1945-2842,000. Understanding displacement, aesthetics and Creating Change in the Art Gallery for Refugees, migrants and host communities. 785,000 perverse collections. Building Europe's queer and trans archives. 135,000. Oh, you like this one? Milking it. Colonialism, Heritage and Everyday Engagement with dairy.
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C
What? What? Hold on, what does that actually mean?
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So this was it kind of. It actually went a bit viral. I think it was the telegraph that broke it. But it's looking at milk, the dairy, you know, the dairy product as a sort of symbol of colonialism.
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C
What?
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I know. And there was actually another really funny.
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C
Hold on, wasn't there a porcelain one about that as well?
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Yeah, that. Yeah. This is when I was going to bring up and, and it. Yeah, I found this woman, Victoria Berger, and she, she'd done a PhD on. I don't, I think she might, she might just recently finished it or still be doing it. So the PhDs, they don't sound that big a deal, but it's about £20,000 a year. And her PhD was using porcelain to interrogate white supremacy. Yeah, that's medium and it's so funny. But, but.
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C
I don't even know what that means though. I know porcelain is very white.
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Yeah, but what's.
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What, what. It's just.
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Well, it feels like they just started pointing at anything white, you know, like your Starbucks cup or whatever, and then just deciding that it must be some sort of metaphor for white supremacy, just purely because it's white.
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But what is it?
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I don't even know what it means though. What does that mean? As a piece of work? What would she uncover?
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Well, she did number one, she did a working with whiteness workshop and she brought in, there was like an EDI instructor in there as well. You know, she'd obviously consulted the special work, white spirits exorcists or whatever of the EDI world. And then they all. She taught all these students how to make clay, but also exploring the white. There's a really funny video. I'll, I'll send it over to Chronic. But like this really dramatic piano music and sort of these students and this white one, like drinking from her porcelain cup, like, oh, what does this mean? And then she did some performance art as well. And, and in the performance art, she's standing on like clay sculptures, like white, like a series of white sculptures on the floor. And she stands on them and she says statements about whiteness. Like whiteness does this. That's so bad. And then she stands on it and then it breaks as if she's like smashing white supremacy. And it's just, I mean, you know what? Like, it is a bit mean of me to single out these people. Like I, I put them up. I think they deserve it. You know, I'm sure she, she took, you know, she put her videos on private afterwards. But I, I strongly believe in this council culture for these wokies because they've got to be pulled out of this brainwashing. This, you know, they've. All these, all these institutions are feeding students, a lot of them taxpayer funded, this brainwashing of wokeism and they have to be snapped out of it and the shaming is going to work.
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We had Everett Kaufman in here the other day and he identified the problem. Starts at school, and that's where you've got to deal with it. I repeat myself a lot on this podcast because things come up again and again. But I've just had an email recently from my daughter's school where it's. They've announced that their EDI framework's coming. Yeah, I know. And I'm like, there's like. There's two sides of me. It's like, well, fucking let me. I'm rubbing my hands and then thinking, shit, I can't embarrass my daughter here. But I don't know what it's gonna mean. But we get an EDI framework, which is coming soon. I just don't understand why these people are so fucking weird. Like, what happens where, you know, I can understand some kind of arguments about diversity. I can understand the arguments exist and why some people want to have it, but we just go to the depths of complete weirdness where somebody's studying porcelain as a. Yeah, white supremacy.
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It's. Oh, it's over. Correction too far. Yeah. Because, you know, diversity is not bad in itself. Like, it matters. And it makes me feel quite sad as well that, you know, now if people star and things, like, people might say, oh, they only got it because of diversity and. And because the overcorrection is so crude. But you've just gone from one side of the spectrum, or have you not in every realm, actually. You haven't gone from. I mean, it's. In some facets of society, they were fairly diverse. Like, you know, I would argue the music industry is quite diverse ethnically in terms of gender. But. But, yeah, we've. You know, it really is the horseshoe theory come round because now we're so reductive about. You feel so aware of everyone's identity and the intersections, and it's horrifying that they're doing it, you know, in. In schools. I mean, I. I grew up in Islington in the 90s, and we were just naturally diverse, and we just didn't give a. You know, children don't give a second's thought. And then you've got these. These programs like this Channel 4 show that taught children about their white privilege. And it's just horrible. It's very. It's very tribal because it's encouraging racialized thinking but pretending to be the good.
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C
Guys, you know, did you see Starbucks in. Was it Missouri? Connor? In Missouri, they've been sued by the state for their DI program because it's racist.
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Yes.
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And it breaks civil rights laws. And so I think some of this stuff is starting to like nature starting to heal itself for some of this but this, it's all I just can't get. I don't understand why there's so many weird people.
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I don't meet this many weird people.
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C
From day to day in my life is quite rare. But then you look at research like yours and it seems to this is to be a lot of it and I don't understand is it pockets of it?
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Well humans, I mean humans are very herd animals they're you know, they're very susceptible to conformity social pressures that you know, they've always had that pat mentality for evolutionary reasons or whatever and so they do all. You know there are parallels with Maoism in terms of what's happening. I mean Maoism started in schools, the first victim was a teacher and then it spread in the universities and you have the sort of parallels you have is, you know the teaching is very totalitarian if you don't agree with it like you know, if you go into your daughter's school and talk about EDI like you're the heretic. It's the, the big parallel with Maoism is the ostracizing of or like this, the fragmenting of the family like the Red Guards I mean they were, they were all very young, they were like early teens sort of thing and, and Mao wanted to break up the family and traditionalism and you now have that parallel with the trans ideology because it's sort of, you know, don't be friends with your parents if they don't accept this very extreme way of doing things. So it's all, it's all about breaking, fragmenting, shaming people. There's been a lot of shaming in the culture. People like people will say no it's not Mao's and that, that was so much but everything start, you know starts from the origins of it start someone and the sort of radicalization of young people like now if you look at Gen Z I know that they've done some recent polls on Gen and it's actually quite frightening because they, they are just so radically left wing like they, they've been brought up on this diet of it and they just don't know any like it doesn't seem they know that much different so there's an undercurrent.
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C
Of based Gen Z I've heard, I.
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Don'T even know what like based that means you're quite cool right wing or.
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C
You'D be considered based.
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Oh really?
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C
I think it's not giving a. And just saying what you think? Yeah, it's not conforming to the, the fear of being canceled or yelled at or being told you're insensitive or whatever it is. When you would come out publicly and just say, you know, things that aren't, haven't been considered socially acceptable. I think, you know, I was listening to your, you did your interview with Constantine and Francis before and you were saying, I, I don't want to talk to somebody about a woman having a penis. Like, I don't want to talk to somebody about flat earth. Yeah, that would be considered based. Yeah, because you just don't give a shit.
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I don't. Yeah, I've got sick of it. I've had so many people unfriend me over my beliefs and I just got to the point in my life where I'm just like, I can't be, I can't be asked.
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C
There is a group of, I think traditional left leftists. Lefties, labor voters, I think. Also I'm noticing, starting to say enough of this shit.
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Yeah.
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C
As well.
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Yeah. Because a lot of it is. I find myself thinking what even is left wing? Because this doesn't look very left wing to me.
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C
Well, this isn't traditional left wing.
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No.
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We had George Galloway in here. That to me is traditional left wing. William Clouston, traditional left wing. Whereas it was about supporting the working class, making sure the rich didn't get away with too much, that a lack of regulation wasn't dangerous. Yeah.
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They're always hammering them. And I think recently I was, I mean I've been writing a lot about billionaires that are interfering in British democracy. And I know that I'm thought of as a right wing journalist and I just thought to myself, how come I spend every day writing about baddie billionaires and I'm right wing? Like, isn't that meant to be?
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C
Maybe you can't put you in a box.
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Well, yeah, I just think they're very blinded by that. I, I sometimes I almost think that politics is like on the left, that they go for almost like a personality rather than a pl. You know, there's something about Sadiq Khan they find irresistible. And Alistair Campbell.
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C
And Alistair Campbell's the one I don't understand. I really don't understand. I was talking to a Labor voter recently about it because I was just saying I used like, I thought the rest of politics was really interesting when it first started because there was a clear separation between the two of them. But they just. Now it's just both of them crying, whinging about Trump constantly. And it's. They've come to. They've come together and their opinions don't differ much anymore. And I was chatting to somebody I know about this, and, And I said, and the other thing is, it's weird how so many people have just given Alistair Campbell a pass for the dodgy dossier, incending us into a war where, like, hundreds of thousands of people died. It's weird that he's legitimized by question Time. And they were like, well, yeah, you know, but, you know, he does try and hold the consent. I was like, hold on a second. We can't go, yeah, you know, hundreds of thousands of people died. That should. That, to me, is a reason to be canceled. Like, what's more of a reason to be canceled, saying a man, sorry, a woman can't have a penis, or being involved in sending us to a legal war. I think, to me, it's pretty obvious. Right?
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Yeah. So much. So much of whether you're worth being cancelled is decided by a captured media. You know, like, if you take the example recently of Keir Starmer and the voice coach, who they clearly broke lockdown rules, and people are thinking, where's Paul Brand? You know, the ITV reporter that got Boris Johnson out effectively because of the Tupperware story? Where is he? Well, he's an activist journalist. He. He actually is. Yeah. So that. So the only reason that what Starmer gets up to is acceptable is because the. The court of public opinion or the court of cancellation is run by the same people that share the same political views. So they're always going to hype up outrage when it's their political enemies versus Yeah, I think.
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I think one of the problems is like these. It's when people convert their ideas into their identity. And I think, you know, I look at it even across the pond. I. I think there's some interesting things about Trump. I'm glad he won over Biden, but at the same time, I think it's really important for people to hold him to account now. He's making some big decisions. He sends some quite, you know, quite profound things, like America should take over Gaza and remove the entire population to. To Jordan and Egypt. I think at some point you've got to stand back as a journalist and go, hold on a second. That's kind of ethnically cleansing. And I support some of your ideas, but, you know, we really should talk about that. But it's. I think people's ideas have become their identity. So if the person they support says something crazy, they, they'll, like, rationalize it.
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Yeah.
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And. And at the same time, the people they don't support, they won't ever give them a little bit of credit.
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Yeah.
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And this, this is, this is where it's kind of become, like, a little bit weird. That's why I think we just need more independent journalists who will. Who kind of attack both sides and credit both sides.
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Yeah, yeah. People are becoming incredibly tribal. It feels like, yeah, Trump can do. No, he's become this messianic figure, which is really dangerous because he's not. And. And also, it's kind of. You can't expect politicians to do that much for you. This isn't normal. Like, they can't change your whole life. And people are like, but, yeah, I'm exactly the same as you, but I, I just saw it as, like, lesser evils because I was really worried about. About. But Kamala Harris and, and. And actually, it does connect back to Alistair Campbell because some of the coordination I saw under the surface between the US and the uk I thought it was not going to be good for that. I can, I can, I can explore what he was. What he's kind of been up to with. He, He. Basically what I found out Alistair Campbell had been doing is he. He sets up this. It doesn't sound like a big deal, but there's. The mayor of London has this deputy mayor. You know, he loves hiring all these deputy mayors. And there's one called Metic Hoban, certainly not a household name, but he, he had this youth democracy charity when he was a Labor counselor for Hackney, and he was Hackney's cabinet member for climate change and action. And I, I first spotted him because he. So Alistair Campbell helped him set up this youth democracy charity. When I first ever found out about it, I was like, is that a charity? You know, he. He flew all over the world, the United nations, the G20. And. And what I realized was happening is that they were using. Because this guy's kind of like a TikTok personality, sort of like get down with the kids. Alastair Campbell helped him set up the charity 11 years ago because he obviously saw him as someone who could help get disenfranchised, like disengaged youth voters to vote for labor, basically. And Tony Blair, partner with the charity, of course, and the U.S. embassy in London funded it, about $90,000. And they used it last year. They gave, they were giving young people Free ice creams to vote in our elections from Ben and Jerry's. So they're a US Company. And the long story short, because it's, it's very. It's got lots of different parts to it, but the US and the uk, you know, the Trump Green New Deal or not, you know, he's just got rid of it.
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Yeah.
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But the Democrats in the US start the kind of crazy Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio, Cortez, the Squad, Bernie Sanders lot. Like, they had this Green New Deal. And to me it just sounds like communism blueprint under the guise of climate change and their hope, obviously they wanted Kamala Harris to win. And in the uk, they were trying to set up all the tools to create an alliance between these two. So Alistair Campbell was like the other side of that alliance to get the Green New Deal up and right with the counselor, with the charity. So they were hoping they'd. But now the US has lost. That completely changed. That's why I was like so desperate that Trump would win, because I could see that it's going to cut off this. This meddling that's looking really bad for us. But they're still. Because the left never lose. You know, they. They're like, you know Voldemort, when he puts his soul in those Horcruxes.
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C
I've never watched Harry Potter.
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The thing is, I'm not even like.
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A Harry Potter, but I hate Harry Potter.
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I know, it's such a geeky reference.
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I love J.K. rowling, but I ha.
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He. I read like four pages of the first book. I was like, yeah, it's not for me.
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Yeah, some people are really hardcore. Like, I'm not, but that's the only way I can do like, basically, you know, the evil Voldemort, he, like the bald guy, he like leaves pieces of his soul or something in a hor crux. And Harry has to go around and defeat all the little soul fragments. And that's kind of how I see the left. Or like, or like, you know, have you seen Team America?
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Of course. I'd love it.
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I freaking love Team America. But, you know when Kim Jong Un, like turns into a cockroach and then flies off in a rocket. Right. So this is kind of like the left. Like you could defeat, you know, you could kill King. Obviously he's dead now, but like, you know, in the film the puppet, the Team America kill him, that's the left gone, like Kamala Harris or whatever. But then it comes out as a little cockroach and goes into A rocket. And you've got. That's the only way I can describe it.
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Have you ever watched the deleted scenes in Team America?
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No.
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Okay, I'm gonna put it up now. Google it later.
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A
Oh my God, what's this? Oh, this.
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Democracy in your hands. This literally.
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Your son is good. He's really. How's he done that so quickly?
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He's incredible. Can you play that con? Look at the others underneath, like a penis.
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Croban also became.
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Oh, this is from yours.
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Yeah, this is him a Labor councillor where he was busy fronting Hackney's 61 million pound fight against climate change and also promoting a Green New Deal, which is actually a concept that the Democrats originally pushed. That's the democrats in the US and that brings me on to the US embassy in London because between 2020 and 23 they gave Meticobund's My Life, My say charity, £90,000 in dollars to help reach those young audience, those young voters and get them to the polling station. And this year in terms of the mayoral and general election and all the excitement around that, Meti Coban was at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change Future of Britain conference. And this was attended by West Street.
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It's just a, it's just an. Well, this interesting thing about the usaid. Usaid, they essentially shutting it down. I think I read they went from 14,000 employees to like 300. It looked to me when I started to see the project sale closing down, it was a network of left wing ideas, funding left wing ideas which I was kind of aware of from a visit when I went to El Salvador because I met the USA team there and I was aware of some of the projects that they were doing in the country. But it just seems like a network of left wing ideas that spread across the globe to spread influence and, and, and, and dominate the media. But I think the whole thing's just backfired now.
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Yeah, it's, yeah, it's like a patronage network of, of left leftists helping each other and cementing their, you know, like for instance, you know, the Fabians. I didn't know much about the Fabians, this, this left wing wing until people kept telling me on Twitter, like, look into the Fabians. But they, they don't tell me, tell.
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I don't know.
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Well, they, they're this old sort of wing of left wingers that they don't believe in revolutions or like overthrow, which very nice of them, but they, they believe in sort of gradual like embedding themselves and doing slow little steps towards revolution and that's kind of, that's kind of what the left have done. Basically. They've, you know, people, people talk about they've got institutional power, they've taken over. But, and, and I, I knew this a few years ago, but I just thought it meant, you know, a few people in the office are a bit left wing and, and you know, in the civil service, I had no idea what it actually meant. That it's, it's like a shadow state of these NGOs and government slowly getting more and more left wing, more of their people in the. In everywhere and part and creating systems of flowing money to each other. And that I think, and this all connects to woke waste because it's, there's some of it's taxpayer funded. Some of it is these random philanthropists, these billionaires flowing money Soros. You know, there's, there's all sorts of foreign funding on the left and they do not want to talk about it. They would rather just shout about Elon Musk. But, but it's, you know, philanthropy is really the word that I cannot stand because, and foundations because what, what it, what it allows the. You know, people like Bill Gates have had reputations as a, for ages as sort of like him walking in Africa like holding children's hands, like saving the world. He's the philanthropist. But actually they're just meddlers. They are just, they're foreign interference galore. They, you know, they're just addicted to power and all of their philanthropy is about. So like there's one philanthropist, sorry, I love saying it in this voice called Elizabeth Rousing. And there she's part of the Tetra Pack family. It's like some sort of God, I actually don't even know. It's some sort of like lunchbox thing. People watching will be like, you know what tetrapacus. But she's a billionaire heiress and her, so her family have. It's just these people that are just like, I don't know what to do with my money. I've got loads of it. But she, she invests in Britain quite a lot. So she funds the Good Law Project, you know, the awful Joyon Joy and Morgan and, and she funds Ed Miller band.
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Oh God.
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And she funds Steve Reed who's like the environmental minister or secretary or something like that. And he. And, and you have to wonder because Lisbon Rousing believes in rewilding and all these kind of hippie like concepts. And then, and then you see labor like going for farmers and, and land and, and you have to wonder like what you know, they don't give them that money, but they. She's given them like hundreds of thousands of pounds each, you know, and she, she's gonna want something back and. And then you've got obviously. Dale. Vince.
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C
Oh, God. I was about to ask you about him.
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Yeah. He funds labor.
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He funds labor and they fund him.
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Yeah. Do you know what? I'm scared about saying anything because he loves.
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C
He sues people.
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He loves suing people. You could. I mean, I'm terrified about saying anything.
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It's just, it's so annoying because when I. When we started our football team, his team was the team I looked at for a screen. I was like, oh, you've got a team around an idea that's kind of interesting. And then he was at Guns N Roses when we were there in his leather track. I was like, this guy's kind of cool. And then I've just realized, no, he's a dick.
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Oh, yeah.
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C
He can't see me for calling him a dick, can he?
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No, no, hopefully not. Although he tries everything. I mean.
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Yeah, we called him something yesterday. We might have to edit that out, but he's. Yeah, I just. I just. Look, this, this, this circle, this.
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He thought he finds the Good Lord project.
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Yeah. But he donated 5 million pound to labor, I believe. I saw, I read.
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Yeah.
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And ecotricity have had 36 subsidies, although, I don't know, some of those came under Conservative Party. And he's still trying to maintain them, but there's just some kind of.
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He's very politically active. Yeah, he funds groups as well as, you know, people. The Labor Party donations are not the end story. You know, he's done. He's funded Extinction Rebellion. He doesn't fund them anymore, but. But yeah, the Good Law Project are environmentalists, essentially because they, you know, like, they, they cut. They talk a lot about trans. They're pain in the ass as far as a lot of, like, turf women are concerned. But when you look at what they're really pushing, it's all an environmental agenda. And they're all, you know, in my view, they're all these groups that all connect. Like Chris Packham, you know, you see him somewhere and then it's like, oh, it's you again. You know, he'll be. He worked with this one environmental group for, I don't know if you remember, the Can Build a Climate and Nature bill. And it was really dystopian. It sounded really nice, but it was pretty dystopian. And Dale Vince held a stall at the Labour Party Conference for the main group pushing the can bill. And he, and it said powered by ecotricity, you know, so he wanted, he was really pushing the Campbell. And then you had Chris Packham. They're kind of like often together with the environmental activism. Chris Packham really wanted the can bill. And then you see Chris Packham like he does, led by donkeys voiceovers. It's like he just runs off to all these different activist groups. They're always environmental. He. It's, it's just like this little.
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C
It's not little.
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It's a huge.
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Oh, it's a network.
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What I can't figure out, Charlotte, is is this like how much of this is organic. Just stupid left wing people with stupid ideas who don't understand the consequences of their ideas. And there's just this big network of it, this organically built up and how much is it actually strategically directed because there's a significant benefit to somebody at the end. I just can't figure this out.
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It's very strategic. This is what, yeah, this is what the left do. Because part of that organizing, like they want you to think it's organic and, and there are some people, I mean part of what they do is they, they love the brainwashed young people because they can use them as their useful idiots. So Greta, the more. Yeah, the more they can tell young people like, oh, your climate future make activism really sexy and attractive and like a sort of social currency, the better because then they can all be brought out for all these protests. But the, the funder, you know, there's these funders in the background and then it just goes through layers. You get like the funders, the kind of celebrities and journalists backing it and then you get the, the useful idiot young people, the sort of Titaniana when you know, the youth activists of extinction rebellion.
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But let me tell you this funny, funny anecdote. So a friend of mine was telling me about their kids school had a election. When the election was on, they did a kids election and naturally the Green Party got a lot of votes. The most voted for party amongst the kids was labor. And I'm going to guess the numbers is about say 200 of them. There were no revokes for reform. There was maybe like 75 for green, which I'd expect. I expect a lot of kids to do that. There was one, one kid that voted conservative. I was like, who is this awesome kid? I want to know who this awesome kid is. But the point being is that I think when you're young, you know, you can easily be you can easily fall for left wing ideas because they sound nice. We're being nice. You know, should we help homeless people? Should we stop people driving cars and stop polluting the environment? Whereas conservatives sound mean and horrible.
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Ye.
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So I think that indoctrination that Kaufman talked about happens in the school. It's. How do you get it out of their system later on? How do you. It's not even get out of the system, just how do you get them to have, you know, think critically, have rational arguments on both sides? Because I don't mind this in the school if it's debated. You want the kids to debate it.
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Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm gonna sound like an enemy against my own. There's too many women teaching in schools. You know, women on aggregate lean more leftwards. I mean, it's just.
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C
You want women to be nicer and more empathetic.
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Yeah, but it's not healthy anyway. Like boys need male figure, they need male teachers, they need both. We need, we need diversity in schools, but we just. Women do on aggregate lean more leftwards. And that is a big problem in school because, you know, it's the kind of nicey nice politics and, and yeah, and I.
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There's also a correlation between wages and where you would vote and we don't pay teachers well. Yeah, it's really underfunded. I don't know if you've gone the macro level on the government's budget, but we spend, we spend more on service in debt interest than education. It's like a, it's like 100 billion. Right. On debt interest and it's about 80. 80 billion on education.
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Yeah.
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And the schools are getting squeezed all the time. These state schools are now having to even fundraise themselves to cover costs. I mean, I love people who go into education, but I also think sometimes. Why the fuck would you do this? You've got very difficult career progression, it's stressful and you're paid terribly.
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Yeah, they really need to, especially when they're spending all this money on all the crazy stuff.
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C
I did have another couple of questions. The split between central government and local, what is the general split? Is it more central? Is it more local? Is it just.
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What in terms of work was. Yeah, well, central government, I mean, central, central government is just the umbrella blob that hands out all the money and it, I don't, Yeah, I don't really know how to like quantify it exactly. But local government, you know, it dishes out their, their money.
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Is there a way we can Search my local government easily. My local council.
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Yeah, I'm sure you can.
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Do you go to the procurement files for that?
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Do you want to find what they've been up to?
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I want to see what their local council is.
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The best place I always find is Instagram to find like weird stuff they've been up to.
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C
Oh really?
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Because they do their more kind of quirky, you know, if you go to the website it's normally quite like the Bedford Council Instagram. Yeah.
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C
Do you want to have a look at some weird stuff?
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A lot of them, a lot of them do have Instagram with a lot of this stuff.
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If they hadn't been spending it, hadn't been woke waste, would they have spend it elsewhere? Is it a budget they have? So say a department has a. But here's your budget, it's 9 billion, just go spend it. And therefore, you know, they will spend it. Like I remember when I used to have work in advertising, you get to sometimes December and some of your clients will phone you up and say, look, I need to spend 200 grand in the next month because if I don't, if I under spend, I'm not going to get that budget next year or bill me now and we'll spend the money in January. So there's this weird incentive system, this is within private businesses to spend your budget by the end of the year because if you don't, you don't get it next year. And so if they don't spend it, have they maybe got too much?
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It's one of the problems is there's something called the Public Value act. And like, basically there's an act that means that for procurement for councils, they can only give contracts to people that demonstrate that their. What they're providing is going to be to provide public value, you know, like pigs, like it's sort of like is going to improve diversity or sustainability. So the. So people have to apply in a really roundabout. Like, you know, the bureaucracy of it is very hard. You can't. So that boots some suppliers out of the competition. Whereas the only ones that can apply are the ones that have the resources to fill in these long forms about how they're going to, you know, make everyone hold hands and rainbows arrive when they deliver some light bulbs and things like that. So that is, that is a massive issue. You know, it means that there's only the procurement processes. It's completely crap. That. Yeah, okay, here we go.
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Bedford Council Redefining Green in the rainbow. Exploring queerness in nature.
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She, her.
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She her. Okay, The Higgins Bedford is proud to announce the celebration of LGBT History Month 2025. Featuring a thought provoking display and vibrant festival day. This year's theme, activism and social change will explore LGBT plus individuals crucial role in shaping society and advancing the Higgins reception points. So that's the Higgins. That's where the. That pantry is. Right. Con, how do we. So how would you then go to find out if this is come from a government grant?
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Normally it's a bit of a mixture because. Yeah, I'm trying to think, how would I know? Oh, these events are using public funding through the National Lottery, through Arts Council England.
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C
Right.
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So that will tell you that the National Lottery, which is slightly separate. Arts Council England is funded by the taxpayer. That's the one. That's 445 million a year.
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C
Right.
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A
But the National Lottery is a separate budget that comes through, you know, people buying a National Lottery ticket.
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Right. See, I don't mind some arts funding. You know, I, I like the fact when my kids were young we could go to Tate Museum, we could go to the Victoria and Albert Museum, Tate Modern and you know, wouldn't be charged. And it was great. We used to do all the time. I don't mind a bit of arts funding. It's just all the examples of arts funding that I've seen you show is really weird shit. I wouldn't want to take my kids to.
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Yeah, there's, there's the, the issue. So the Arts Council England, the issue it's got is that it's a bit like the public value act. Like if you want funding, you have to embed. It's invest. It's got four investment principles and two of them. So half of it is like, is it good? Basically? And then the other half is proving diversity and environmental responsibility. So all the practitioners that want funding have to fill in their own big form. Like, yeah, I'm gonna. And so you can imagine, like if there's an artist, you know, just a solo artist having to prove that their diversity and you know, environment. I have seen one that brought up on trigonometry as well. So. But he was called Prance of the Dancer and he, he was like turning his dance moves into renewable energy. And that's how, that's clearly how he was like trying to prove his environmental. You know, he was like, I'm not getting a carbon capture machine, I'll convert my dance moves, you know. But the, the stuff, because they're so obsessed with what it means is that it's not like this, this sort of trans Night out is like, oh, there's a bit of entertainment on in that, like for minority culture or whatever, it means that that's like the norm and everyone else is not going to get money. So it's. So for instance, like Soho theater, which between 2023 and 26 will has got 1.8 million in taxpayer grants. So it's put on shows. 52 monologues for young transsexuals. Patty Harrison, my huge tits. Huge. Because they are infected, not fake. It's another trans woman and a comedy show where white audience members are encouraged to check their privilege at the door.
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C
7,200 pensions.
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I like this math. It's good.
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Did you find out how what the total saving was on the winter fuel? 1.6 billion. Oh, we could find one point. I mean, well, when you said Ukraine is 9 billion. Oh, sorry, 1.3 billion.
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A
Oh my God.
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So I mean that's what 1213 of Ukraine's budget could have been slashed and we could have warm pensioners.
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It's absolutely a political choice. They, you know, they're the funny. Well, not funny, but they're always going on about austerity. Oh, it's. You would hate. And then you look at this and you're like, my tit. My huge tits. Huge. Because they're infected, not fake. They are not. They're just giving it to random stupid shit. If pensioners want their winter fuel allowance, they just need to say they're non binary and put on a show about like trans leprechauns. And then like, then they'll just get a grant.
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C
Research in the pregnancy of trans leprechauns.
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Yeah.
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I'm kind of intrigued. I probably read that though. I'm just out of intrigue.
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Do you want me to read the.
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C
What's the weirdest ones?
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Okay, so this is like. I think most people know about the.
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C
Gay porn we've heard of. Yeah. But on that. Is. Is this just. Is this just some gay guy likes watching porn or.
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Or is, you know, like who lives in Sweden, so he's not even in England, he's Portuguese and lives in Sweden.
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So why are we funding him?
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In what I.
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It.
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It seems like the biggest scam. Like he. He's not an anomaly like that. I found a Bolivian student decolonizing Bolivian museums in Bolivia. It's like they just get the grant and then they just go back to their home country.
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Do you know what's really weird about this is that there is so little care in how so much money hard earned taxpayers money is Being distributed this real callous treatment of pensioners. And look, I'm sure this friendly pensioners could afford their fuel but there's some that clearly can't. Then yesterday we had Noel Wilcox in here talking about the scandal at the child maintenance service. Do you know about this?
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No.
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This is wild. Can you try and find that page com with that statistic with the excess deaths? So basically the child maintenance service their job is when parents separate they want to try and assure usually dads are paying towards their kids and they have a lot of difficulty. Some dads just don't provide the financial information, some disappear, some get paid in cash and don't do it. There's. And so to try and pursue these people they do a couple of things. One of them was they would inflate the amount that the dad is due to pay to trigger them to try and get them to provide the information. So they're deflated by say 300%. I think it's one of these nudge. Do you know about the nudge unit? Yeah, I think it's a nudge unit tactic. And then also they would just get some calculations wrong. They might look at six years of, I mean this is a huge scandal. Six years of your income and pick the highest year. There was one guy, he was a engineer for the train company. Remind me. 41 grand a year this guy was on. They said he was on 71,000, 76,000. He was left with pounds after paying and he got so desperate he committed suicide. Statistics, where is it? The paying parent population of the CMS that have had a RIZ is approximately 53,700. From a total paying parent population of 435,900. So over 10% in the 33 months from September 2017 to June 2020. To be in line with normal mortality rates for 30 to 50 year old range we'd expect two hundred and seven deaths. There were 2,860 deaths at excess, basically 14 times the normal rate of deaths amongst men of that age between 30 and 50 who were sat with these large arrears with the CMS. And the problem is they gave them all these, all these ridiculous enforcement powers. If you don't pay, we can take your driving license, we can take your passport, we can take you home, we can put you in jail. And so all these dads, mainly dads and so under so much pressure some of them just started killing themselves. It's a huge scandal and you look and go, you are heavily pursuing working people with made up numbers to the Point, they're killing themselves and then you're spreading this money around, confetti to idiots who aren't. I don't think these are hard work. Well, they might be hard. Might put a lot of work into researching the Europe, the game. Horn belt. That might be a lot of work. But it's. But that's work you'll get in. You're getting a grant for these people, working people. And this, this, this.
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Oh, it's these three bits.
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I'm trying to put them together. Hold on. You are. You are ruining these people's lives to kill themselves and then throwing this around, this money around like confetti and taking. It's just not.
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It's appalling. It's. I mean, that's so. Also, you even look at. You know, they're very good at clamping down on working people that don't have much money. Like, even. Even if, you know, if you go on the train and you see them with the ticket office, like, five of them coming on the train, making sure that no one's. Obviously, it's not good if someone steals, like, doesn't pay their fine. But you're like, can we have that at the border, please? Or can we have that somewhere else? Like, there's so many other people grifting and. Yeah, that is absolutely appalling. It's all directed at ordinary people instead of. It's so. It's really wrong. And one of the nice things about this now being more public, this research, because I got so used to it, I just. I kind of despaired in a way, because to me, it was just like the most outrageous thing on earth. And I just thought, does no one else care? Like, it's no one. You know, there's no one. And. And now, obviously, it's like, people are like, what the. Because you can't. You almost, like, can't. It reaches some sort of believability threshold. Like, it's so unbelievable that your brain almost can't. You're like, no, this can't be real. It's so bad.
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B
Well, you put it in.
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C
That pile of. Everything's just a bit right now, like. Like I say, it's hard to build a business. Fuel's gone up, your groceries have gone up. The pubs. There's less people in the pubs because they can't afford to go out. You know, we've seen higher taxation, like, every. The NHS has been every direction you look, constantly seeing videos of people just going to Tesco's, filling up bags and walking out and nothing happens. Them stabbers like in every direction. I'm like, there was so much, there's so much wrong. And then you throw this in. It's just like, it's almost like, oh, here's something else.
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It's the amount of scandals. Because I just think there's so many scandals I could write about. I get, I get so many people sending me tips about scandals and I have to be like. To them, like, yeah, that's a really good scandal, you know, because, because for a journalist it's like I'm having to reject good material. You know, I have to say to them like, good luck because this, this is a really important story. But I just can't. There's just so much that I just can't.
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C
What can you do?
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A
I can't take it on. And even. And this, this I'll. I'll give you the. Shall I read you this one?
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C
Yeah, please.
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A
Oh, this is. So this is the gay porn. The, the Portuguese man in Sweden studying gay porn. And, and his defense by the way, will be, oh, well, we get paid peanuts. You know, it's the university because, because, you know, the grant system is basically. So he gets, they get the. I think there's like two or three of them researching gay porn. So. And one of them has done quite a few studies on it before. So they get their 8400 grant. But the grant system for universities, they take a cut. So they, they really like grants because every time they're like, oh, well, we need this for light bulbs and whatever. So he's. So he's had that. But he's also had. Between 2019 and 21, he got given 194000 pounds for masculinity and the ethics of porosity in post AIDS gay porn. And this was the modern. I know this was the modern languages department at the University of Exeter.
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B
And when he.
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C
Sorry, he gets that over what period?
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A
So about two years, February 2019 to January 2021.
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C
And how much of that do you think goes to him? Of that? 184,000, I think.
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A
I mean, to be honest, I don't know off the top of my head, but they'll say all the university gets half of it. That's the sort of thing I've heard on, on Twitter.
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C
70, 736 pensioners.
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A
It's crazy, but the, the abstract. So I don't even know how this is on a taxpayer government website. It says pig is a term used by some gay men to self define themselves in terms of their own sexual practices, which they regard as transgressive, pushing the limits of the body and its integrity through relentless condomless penetrations, stretching of the rectal sphincter and exchanges of all kinds of bodily fluids, sperm, urine, saliva, etc. It is used.
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C
There's more.
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A
I know. I'm like, what?
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C
How many are there?
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A
That'd be a good question. It is used in the names of hookup websites directed at gay men. Interfere, fetish or extreme sex, eg, nasty kinkpigs.com or asspig.com and often included as a pig head or snout emoji on usernames or profile text on gay hookup apps like Grinder, Scruff or Rakon.
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C
Hold on, is this the thing, you know when you see like the pride event and you see people with those kind of pig marks?
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A
Apparently this must be this. Apparently. I actually watched some of his video. Like, they just had two men, like, in a sort of stable with some hay around them. And, and. And also I just watched. He's. It's all online. It's like X rated. When I post on Twitter, I have to put like, warning explicit because it's like porn. Like a porn star talking about loving pig.
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C
I saw something, some videos like, blue. There was some like blue stuff going on.
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A
Blues. Oh, what is that with the hands?
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C
Yeah, that was enough.
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A
It's meant to be very suggestive. But he does he. He's done these sort of seminars. And what's shocking is the seminars were then for another body that's funded by Arts Council England. So it's like this double whammy.
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C
Why does it need researching for. For whose benefit?
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I don't know, you know, but you know what, when I, when I criticize this, right, I get. I've actually had a gay man, like, tell me that we can't be friends anymore because he thinks I'm being homophobic. Because I don't. Because this is what. What this is, is this protects this crap research from criticism because they try to make it synonymous, you know, like. Like, I'm saying this is bollocks. Yeah. But if they try and make it like, oh, so you're a homophobe? Like. No, I just don't think taxpayers should be spending 190, 000 pounds on the stretching of the anal sphincter or whatever.
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C
But this could. There could be an equivalent heterosexual version.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Where, I don't know, a woman likes to walk a pigman and stretch his anus. I think you would be. Would. I'm guessing you'd be Equally like, this is balance.
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A
Yeah, yeah, but the thing is that there won't be a heterosexual one because what the universities are trying to do is try to present this as like sort of their diversity, you know, that they're creating research that improves diversity and understanding.
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C
Yeah, but what's the, what's the societal benefit? Do they have to put us. Do they have to put that in their application? The reason. So I would say, what is the societal benefit from this piece of research? How is this benefit society? Do you know, I'll do a vote, I'd say, and then allow people to vote. Should we function, fund this pig thing or the pension? Pensioner or pig? Pension or pig? And you vote, I think every time people say, yeah, can we have one pensioners, please?
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A
Yeah, we should have a TV show like, like, I don't know, like a very. Where they have to come up and fight, like, the pensioner versus gay Big.
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C
I mean, there might be some things, you know. Sorry, Granny.
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A
Yeah, well, that's the thing, like, and you know, to caveat that the uk, all right, it's not all bad. It's funding huge amount of scientific research, like people trying to find cures for leukemia and like, technological innovation. But you just can't trust the whole system because it commissions stuff like this. And there's also even like, you know, the whole net zero thing. If net zero is so fantastic and going to be so good for the British economy, it shouldn't need like insane amounts of subsidies. Like, sure, you know, subsidies can be important for a government to. But we're spending.
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C
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are people saying net zero is good for the economy?
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A
Well, that's the argument. We'll, you know, we'll win the race and then we will. But I think China's like beating our ass. Yeah, but, but they've plugged so much of the UKRI has plugged so like tens of millions into net zero research. And not all of it. I mean, I couldn't tell because I'm not an engineer, so I can't look at these abstracts in the same way as like gay pig masculinity. But, you know, like, you, you can't even tell, but if it's so good. And also there are corporations that are part of some of these grants because you can have, you can have project partners and that can mean different things. Sometimes that means that they are not getting any subsidies out of it or they're putting money into the research, but sometimes they're getting, you know, the government grant is going out to, to them as much as the universities. So it's pretty, it's pretty nice. Subsidies. Yeah.
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C
I see. I wonder how you would actually deal with this. Would you just strip the budgets back or if you had more oversight, they would just, again, they would just spend it on other stuff. Because when you talk. When. Well, you specifically when they talk about this 22 billion dollar black. I'm talking about you now. This 22 billion dollar black hole though, it's just like. Well, how, how much of that black hole is this bollocks? How much is it?
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Yeah, I know. Well, I, I mean that it's almost like just everyone's kind of blind, you know, no one, you know, like you were talking about your business and how you do these orders. Yes, but we don't have the equip. We just kind of like, you know, we're not looking. That, that's like almost like where the black hole is, like everyone's brains.
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C
But this is all just grants as well, right? This is, this is. Yeah, you've been looking at just purely procurement and grants.
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A
No, I've been looking at. I mean, charities are a complete hellhole.
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C
Yeah, of course, yeah.
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A
I mean the amount of taxpayer funded charities will blow your mind. It's just what. The thing that annoys me is that we fund Left Wing Chat because think tanks are registered charities mostly, you know, like Tufton street and actually not all of them, but. But mostly they get registered as charities. And you constantly hear about the right wing think tanks, like who funds you. But they don't get taxpayer money.
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C
Of course they don't.
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A
Whereas the left wing ones do. I mean, they really have a nerve, the left, because they, you know, sometimes you see them actually on News Night, some of these think tanks, there's one called like the Institute for Public Policy Research. It sounds so innocent. It sounds fine. It sounds like, oh, sounds very sensible. But it's getting just under £400,000 from taxpayers over the last few years. And they believe in like reparations. They, you know, they believe in like sort of client, like more offshore wind. And they're very like, if you go on their website, they've got like strategies to defeat the far right where schools.
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C
Private schools, which had charitable status to reduce the cost of school fees, have now lost that, which has priced out a number of, you know, working people, working middle class, who now can't afford to send their kids to private school.
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A
Yeah, it's absolutely shocking. It's, it's. I mean, it's that there's. There are two examples of, of the charities. I mean, there's so many of them are lobby groups. You, you have these, these, these think tanks that pretend to be neutral that, you know, they go on news night and whoever's like Victoria Derbyshire, whatever's like, so the Institute of Global Relations or whatever, like, what do you think about X? And you think you're getting like the independent expert, but they're actually a radical Marxist with taxpayer funding. And then you've got the NGOs, like the non government. I mean, I mostly call these foundations, they're registered as charitable trusts, but the buzzword is becoming like ngo. And, and one example, and this is not unusual, is the Paul Hamlin Trust. Have you heard of that?
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C
No.
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A
So it gives a really good example of how, how the government. And a lot of this happened under the conserve. Most of it happened under the conservatives, but it's just been continued by labor. But how they always said, they were always saying one thing and funding the opposite. So they were talking the talk on Rwanda and the borders like we're gonna stop. Stop the boats. And you know, they had the flights all geared up. But then you have this ngo, this shadow state, like what Musk is exposing in the US and the Paul Hamlin foundation is part of that. It's absolutely loaded. Like it has its own funds itself. But we gave it, we were charged rather, because we didn't know, we didn't know this was happening. About 1.4 million just under between 2019-23. And the Paul Hamlin foundation believes in open borders. It's. It clearly says on its website we envision a world where everyone is free to move. And you know, it's pretty clear. And then with, with this grant, it then gives its money to things like Hope Not Hate Charitable Trust, which gets585,000 from Paul Hamlin. So you've got. So we, we actually funded Hope Not Hate Charitable trust as well. 140k to go and lobby for itself. But. So you think you're mad and you're already enraged. Like, wow, why, why under Boris Johnson, 2019-20 did we give Paul Hamlin hope not hate 140,000. How dare you. But then you also find out that we've given it to this Paul Hamlin foundation that's then given 585,000 to hope not Hate. So this is kind of how you can see how the funds are sort of channeled around. Like it can't, you can't really get a sense of like, how much even it's an indirect using of taxpayer funds. You might as well just cut out the middleman. But it means we basically funded both. Both of them.
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C
Do you think the. The ministers maybe just didn't have a clue a lot of this was going on? They're so busy with doing whatever the work they're doing in their local constituency, the, the demands of government that these quangos have just grown and ballooned and they've just signed off budgets without having any idea.
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A
Yeah, I think, I think there's a mixture. I think we have way too many vain mps. They're just in it. They just want to be celebs, basically. And they're not. They're not detail oriented. Like, you know, like Rupert Lorenzo. Yeah, he's fantastic. And he. Because I knew he was on your show recently and he, he's really on it. He does his own, you know, freedom of information requests. He really, like, he's really on it. He loves data. We need these people, we need like tens of them. But. But I think a lot of them just couldn't be bothered. And you know what, to be fair to MPs, I do think they have too much on their plate. Yeah, they just, it's like they've got to be international relations experts and also fix the brief is just way too broad in scope and then they've also, they're dealing with this whole new threat because they've got this shadow state going on and a lot of them honestly could do with, you know, like seminars to help them understand what's. I've. I've thought about that before. Like, do people actually need to be trained into. In what spot? Because it's like a threat to. Not only is it sort of the British wokies, but it makes us susceptible to foreign interference, you know, the flows of money. But I do think. Yeah, I do think a lot of them are just in, in politics for. I mean, there's, there's a lot of men that go into politics because, you know, they say it's politics for. It's showbiz for ugly people and it's this, it's this sort of. Yeah, it's the sort of, like you get these, you get, you get these men that. They're obviously a bit of a nerd at school and probably didn't get any girls and you got like parliamentary stealing your content, maybe. Oh, my God. Yeah.
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C
So have you seen many. Any ministers starting to engage with this content?
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A
Yeah, Cam is engaged with it. Can you. Baden all.
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C
Yeah, great.
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A
People think that she. I mean, I Love Cammie. I think she's really great.
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C
Like, I saw she's on the speaker listed arc next. Next week.
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A
Oh. But she's, she's. People think she's like a WF loving. Yeah. And I, I'm. I'm just saying this from my own experience her that she. Before she was leader of the Conservatives and she, she has taken interest in my work. She's been interested in it for one of the longest and, you know, supportive of it. So she, she genuinely really cares about this stuff. So she, she is getting stereotyped quite a lot and I'm.
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C
No.
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A
Because the public perception of people can be so different to what, you know, like how I, I. Because I do talk to MPs and, you know, I've tried to get the word out as much as possible.
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C
Well, that's why I was glad to see her go on trigonometry, because, yeah, unfortunately, most politicians, you get this prepared version of them, this designed version of them by a PR team which you can't hide on a podcast. And I don't. Did you watch Kemi onto.
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A
I need to watch it this week. It's been a bit.
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C
Yeah, it's worth it. But the second half's brilliant. You could tell she was a bit uncomfortable to begin with because she hasn't done something like this where you're fully exposed. And by the. By the end, she was crushing it. She was really good. You got to. You got to hear a passionate response on ideas. She's pretty. Based on issues. You learned a bit about her personality. It was great. I think if she does more, a lot more of that, we'll find out more about her. But I'm really interested to see one of the ministers that react to this, but then the ones that are outraged enough to do something about it and it only feels like someone. Like it feels like someone. Rupert, Lower. Go. Great. Give me all of this. Charlotte, come in. I mean, we had him in here and we were talking to him about the wind waste and we were explaining to him that, oh, by the way, if you plug bitcoin miners into that with that 1 billion you're paying to turn off the wind, you don't have to do that anymore. We've saved you a billion pound. He's like, great, come in and talk to the party about it. I feel like he's. We need more people like that who, who seem to be doing the job for what you want a politician.
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A
Yeah.
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C
To be doing the job.
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A
Small print mp.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And Kemi is a small print as in, you know, people that want the detail. And Yeah, I like that Nigel's given my work a plug in the last week. So, you know, I don't want to, like, sometimes people, when I've said I like Kemi and like, think people are like, oh, don't you want to say support? I always say that I'm an independent journalist, but if. But if you ask me, like, you know, who's been really good for the exposure, it's Kemi. Rupert's really good and Nigel's plugged my work, so. Anyone.
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C
Angela hasn't. Kia Starmer hasn't.
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A
None of them. No. I mean, Rachel reads if she wants. You know, I'll go and talk to her if she wants me to go and tell her what to cut, but I doubt she's going to.
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C
Yeah, I would have thought that. I mean, some previous administration conservatives would probably be a bit embarrassed about this, like, under their watch that this has happened.
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A
Yeah. Oh, yeah, it is embarrassing. But I know. I think the Conservatives have a mixture of issues because, you know, they do have genuine conservatives. Yeah, they've.
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C
And then they've got lived in.
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A
I know they've got this awful recruitment process. They've actually got these men at the top that decide all that. They're, like, in charge of all the, like, who gets into the party. I don't know the specifics, but I know that it's coming from these architects of crappy diversity. But because there's, like, there are real deal mps in there, but they've just kind of. Their process has knocked out apparently some good people. But that. But we. So. But we also have. Yeah. Egomaniacs. But that's on every side of the party. And then I do think the Conservatives have had infiltrators and I don't, you know, I'm not talking about, like, kind of Tory Wets, like, oh, this is.
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C
The Lib Dems have got in the.
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A
Yeah, but they've. They've actually, like. I mean, I have to be careful what I said, but like Chris Skidmore. Do you know Chris Skidmore?
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C
Another name.
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A
So he. He's the man that signed Net Zero into law.
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C
Okay.
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A
When he was like the Net Zero energy minister or something like that. And he. He was a Conservative, apparently. And then as soon as he is. Honestly is. Can I swear on your part, you.
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C
Can say what the. You want.
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A
He's such a wanker. He is. I actually hate him. He's. He's like. He's such an awful person. He. So he basically he, he was like Mr. Second and Third Jobs when he worked. So this, this is the guy that signed net zero. You know the law we all freaking hate.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And, and while he was doing that, he was making 80k per year, very minimal time spent for this decarbonizing sort of renewables firm. And he also had some role like advice. He had all these advisory roles with like higher education. So, so the first time I ever kind of sniffed him out was because he was tweeting a lot about why we need net zero. And to me it just screamed like, you know, if you see someone being that passionate about something that's a bit boring, you're like money.
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C
How often are you finding yourself wanting to say things, tweet things, write things and you're like if I put that out there I might get a lawsuit against me. You haven't to censor yourself much. I say this to somebody. I, I was sued in the high court, I had a five year lawsuit for calling someone a fraud and they turned out to be a fraud and nearly bankrupt me. And I self censor all the time now like I've said something about Dale Vince. We're probably going to edit. Dan, I'm editing out. You can't sue me. I'm gonna edit it out because I'm like, I know he's gonna sue me. And it's just like I really wish we had some form of real free. When people say we have free switching, when are we fucking don't.
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C
D G-E-R.com that is Ledger.com I know, it's terrifying. Do you find yourself censoring yourself because of this?
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A
I don't know, because I'm quite a gobby woman and in a way I almost like, you know, it just all comes out. So it's kind of. I do worry because I'm a bit like, impulsive sometimes. Like, I just let it all out. But I do, I am careful about something. Like, I'd. I'd like to write more about Dale Vince and, and the fact that he works for Carol Vorderman on this, like, political campaign. And I'd like to, you know, I actually just. Honestly, I just want to write about that.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And not say, like, just say that they were. But I'm. I, I don't touch him because of the threat of being sued, because he, he seems to take people to court for like, a sentence, you know, so it's not like I'm going to write anything.
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C
The problem with libel laws is that having been through it is that they can kill you in the process. They can run up the cost. They can challenge everything. Do you have this process called disclosure.
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A
Oh. Where you have to show everything.
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C
Yeah. Which is easy to lie on and just not provide, but they can themselves provide such a huge amount of data that my, my lawyer. So, so when mine happened to review the disclosure data, the quote for that part alone was hundreds of thousands of pounds. My legal fees were 1.2 million pound in the end. But they spent some like 3.6 million. If I'd lost the case, I have to pay their legal fees. So this kind of attrition thing that happens if someone comes after you, you, you probably, you might even be like, great, I'll go for this. What you don't realize is when the attrition starts, they can ramp up their costs really quickly, which you're liable for if you lose. And if you run out of money yourself, you then concede. And then you concede and you lose your costs and you have to pay their costs. And before you know it, you're bankrupt. It's absolutely shocking. It's, it can be completely weaponized by the rich, the, the, the oligarchs, the, the, the lawyers, the people who just grift off this. Yeah, you can't, you cannot have a libel lawsuit that costs 20, 30 grand. It will cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions. So if Dale comes for you, you can't fight it.
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A
Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's terrifying. It's. Especially when you. Yeah, it's really scary. I mean, I genuinely, like, there was a time where I started doing all my deep state stuff and people like, well meaning people were messaging me like, like, be safe, be safe. And that freaked me out as well because I was, I lived on my own at the time and I was.
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C
Just like, I think this, the safety thing's probably more people coming after you. And through the legal system, we, I can't remember a name, but there was the lady the oligarchs went after and they tried to destroy her life financially with. There's, there's an attempt now to get slap laws in to prevent all this. That's the thing I always say to be like, I, I, like I say there's things I just do not say anymore. Because I don't want a lawsuit. Yeah, because you don't want to be bankrupt. Like, we went through it as a family. We actually at the one point we had to have a meeting about the process of selling my business, selling my house and not being able to be a director and having to move into rented accommodation. That means terrifying.
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A
Oh my God.
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C
And it's rich people who get to lie and abuse the system. There's another scandal for You.
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A
I know my. Weirdly, my parents are actually lawyers, so. But they're not, they're not libel lawyers. But, but it's, it's like, it's great having lawyer parents, but not obviously they're not liable, so. And I really don't want to get anyone like on my case, but, but also like they're, you know, they're quite cautious. They're like, be careful. But, you know, because they know, they know the other end.
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C
I bet they're secret badass as well. So the, the thing I was going to, when I asked you before about, you know, how wide does this go, you mentioned going into charities, but I can't help but think, well, if there's this much waste in the grants themselves, how much waste is there just in the general operations of government departments? Yeah. How bloated are the, is the staffing, how bloated are their wages, how bloated are the pensions, how bloated is, you know, their equipment? How much waste is there through all of government? And I can't help but think there must be just endless waste.
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Yeah, I think it'll be tens, hundreds of billions, basically. Because also when you're, you know, it's, it's not like with private business when you have to keep costs low, you know, like you were saying, and you have to be smart about when the more something gets funded from someone else's pocket that you lose incentives. You know, they don't, they might think, oh, we don't want to tax people, we've got to keep it like. But they're not going to be like, we need to get, you know, or they don't have business experience to work out how to hire the best contractors, get a good deal because they, some of them have just worked in politics with their life. So I think, I mean, it's just extraordinary that all this stuff has happened in, within a media narrative of being fed austerity, being told that. How awful austerity. And, and I've had some people say to me, like, oh, but there was, you know, the economic. And I'm no economist, but just like looking at this stuff, I just think you listen to how they put it in Parliament and they act as if it's been like a Dickensian period where everyone's, you know. But then you just know there's this whole patronage system of, of funding people to, to study cisgenderism and all this crap and you just think, what is. Is.
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C
Are there any other weird ones in it?
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It sounds, yeah, I've got A whole. I mean, I've got. I can read you some of the ones for the small. So, like, even though we've been trying to apparently stop the boat, there's all these crazy grants for. For, like, refugee communities. Like, I'm not. I'm not like the witch in Snow White or anything. Like, I. You know, I believe we. I believe we should help people to a degree. But then you've got. So this. This is a University grants. 200,000 Decolonizing Fashion and textiles designed for cultural sustainability with refugee communities.
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C
Hold on, what does that mean, adopting?
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I. I've watched a bit of it and, I mean, they're just kind of sewing and stuff, just like. And then you. Then there's one at so us, which is.
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C
What's that? Which is 80 pensioners.
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I love your son doing that. I love the maths in this family. It's just so.
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C
It's all I could think about on the way in was like. Like, the pensioners.
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Yeah.
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If we. If we cannot. If we cannot keep the pensioners warm, why can we fund pig masculinity? It just sends me mad. Shop.
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I know, it's heartbreaking because it's so upsetting.
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C
Yeah.
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Because you. You just think of, like, a really vulnerable person and then you know that this is going on in, like. And it's just.
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It's a bit like that thing the other. Do you see the guy put the FOIA request into the Yorkshire Police for their DI staffing, or edi. Why do we call it EDI in our country, by the way? Terrible maths. 800 pensioners. 800 pensioners.
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Oh, yeah.
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C
So we like math, we're just not good at it in our field.
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A
I'm very impressed.
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C
Do you remember that Yorkshire Police thing? Do you remember we got that tweet up? The guy did the request on Yorkshire Police. Because I thought about this in a similar scenario with the police in that. How many? Frontline. Because we don't see police anymore. You enter Bedford Town centre, there's just crackers everywhere, making everyone's life of misery, going into stores, stealing. They've. Actually, a lot of the store owners have funded their own private radio network to say Crackhead 6 has come in, just, like, prepare, and we've got no front. Like, why can't we have a permanent base of two police officers in the town, just protecting the shops? And then you start to see the funding for this kind of bullshit. Did you find it?
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A
No, it was.
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C
It was something like a million pound. There was a head of di, had a DI marketing. I was just. Bollocks. Just more bollocks. Waste of money.
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A
So much. It's kind of like, you know, you know, the Maslow hierarchy of needs and you at the bottom got your basic and then you move up and then eventually you self actualize. Yeah, but you have to get everything else before you can move.
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C
Oh, here we go. Can you click on the image card? Right, so this is it. Head of diversity equity inclusion 91 grand diversity equity inclusion manager 57,000 three times. Diversity equality inclusion officers at 45 each. Two administration assistants at 30 grand each. A DI comms and marketing lead 53. And I mean you just go down that list. Right. And then the other one, the external provider for external training bodies and courses of equity and diversity training, 361,000. I mean, look, I know there's this idea that the police is institutionally racist. No, there's just racist morons everywhere. I get that that exists, but I think most. I don't really know anyone racist anymore. I know it exists, but most people have got a brain.
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A
Yeah.
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You know, I just do you really, really need to. Because that's a million pound there. How many frontline officers could that fund? Were they 60 grand?
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I know. And also like what no one's talking about is that a lot of ethnic minority communities getting really hurt at the moment. Like if you look at who's been killed in, in London, it's, you know, it's a lot of young black boys and, and Notting Hill, there was, there's something near of a cover up to that because you had the, the woman that stepped in a fight and she got stabbed in the thigh and she bled to death. She had a young child.
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C
Jesus.
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You had a chef that just got randomly slain. There was a black man in a wheelchair that got stabbed to death. I remember seeing it. I was like, in another era like this, we'd be talking about this for days. Like someone who just went out, he was obviously like a lovely man and just got got. And just got stabbed to death. And then it's like, anyway, the next. Let's moving on. And what, what I noticed Sadiq Khan did because people talk about the Notting Hill Carnival now because he. Because it tends to attract violence every year and people were so. People were really kicking off about it and worried and then. And the kind of progressive liberal media was trying to make it sound like, you know, we like people being like racist by what, what's, what's your problem with Notting Hill Carnival? Why that one and not others? Literally because it is incredibly violent. But in their whole, in their like kind of savior way, what's so appalling about it is, it's, it's. They let people, ethnic minorities get slain because people that could benefit with policing. Like, are you, are you telling me that like every, you know, all of us benefit, every skin color would benefit from better policing? Like the people that you are pretending to stand up for are getting like Hackney. The amount of killings like a show of like young.
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I thought, well, I follow an account on Twitter. It's, it's what is kind of reports on all kind of crime in London. So you see.
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Oh yeah, I can't remember the name the London.
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C
Yes.
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And crime.
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And then every now and again one will pop up and I'll click on it and then I'll go through and see everything. Recently you get the videos of people just walking in Tesco's taking out and then stabbings. And it's clear that the vast majority of stabbings when they show pictures is a black kid killing a black kid. You see the odd one where it's others or a white couple have killed their baby, whatever. But it's predominantly as that and that is a problem.
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Why can't we talk about it? There's a big problem with young, I mean I think there's a general big problem with young boys in London.
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C
What's this? Notting Hill Carnival Stats 320 arrests, 5 stabbings, 1 acidac, 2 in life threatening condition. 35 police injured, 67 knife arrests, 12 sexual assaults, 94 drug offenses, 47 emerge. I mean I just wouldn't go to Notting Hill Carnival because of this.
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I, no, I'd get scared about my like, you know, but, but I, I do actually think there's, there's something to be said for like, because I, I remember like, not that I'm like a young, young boy growing up, but I remember I grew up in London in Islam as a child and I, I remember like because I've got ADHD and I know a lot of people think that's like. But I would, I was really bad at school until we moved to the countryside when I was 13 and I was just running around doing constant sports and then I suddenly became very academic and because I had all the energy like teased out of me and I think, I'm not saying this is the total picture of London, but I think you've actually got a lot of young boys living in like, sort of deprived, like all mixture of areas they are. So young men have so Much testosterone and energy. And then they're having these big. This is my, you know, kind of progressive, kindly analysis of it. But, like, some of them, I just think they need, you know, they need to go to, like, boot camp or something. You know, they need to go. And they need discipline and they need the. And. And there's been this whole cultural, like, oh, like the youth club, and we got to sit down with them in this kind of, like, feminization of. I'm like, young men evolved, right. Like, they're the most easy to radical. You know, whenever you look at who. Who terrorists are, right? It's always men in their early 20s like that, around that kind of shipping point, because they're the most easy to radicalize. Because in evolution, like, they had to be ready to go to war. So they have to have that blueprint. And you've got all these men that.
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C
I'm ready to go to war.
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Yeah. And they have nothing. Like. And. And hopefully they don't have to go to war, but they need. They need people to, like, you know, be like a military leader.
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C
Get them boxing.
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Get them doing boxing exercise. Exercise is so important for discipline. And I think there's a real big problem. And. And labor would just be like, yeah, this is why we shouldn't shut the youth clubs. And, like, they need to have, like, I don't know, like a day out going roller skating or something. But, like, no, they need to go to, like. Yeah. That's why boxing is so amazing. I mean, I used to box. I love boxing.
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C
He boxes.
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A
Do you?
- [99:38]
C
Yeah. Good little fight. It's got his first fight coming up.
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A
Oh, my God, you're mad.
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C
Yeah. It's massive, though. Look at the size of him.
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A
What. What about you break your. They always get broken noses. Boxers.
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C
Part of it. Yeah. He's gonna break noses.
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Scary. Actually, it's good if you're tall, isn't it? Because. Yeah, because I remember because at one point I seriously thought, like, I wanted to box and, you know, like, do a fight. I remember they said to me, they were like, are you having a laugh? And then. But I was really, like, serious and. But I realized that because, you know, because the weight competition, because I'm quite, like, chunky. I'm not a bit, you know, I'm. I'm not like a skinny mini. I'm a short girl. So I realized that because of the way I'll be. Probably go with someone quite tall, and then they'll, like, just punt, you know, they'll just win.
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C
He has the advantage because he's tall and can be slim.
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Yeah. Because you could end up against a short guy that's stocky. Right.
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C
And then he has to reach. Just. Just way does it to me. Beats me up.
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A
Are you gonna starve before the match?
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C
I've been starving for the past month. It's been interesting to watch. The boy can eat and he's been so. He's been so disciplined. I'm sitting there eating a can of Pringles and he's there eating a broccoli.
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A
Is this your first fight?
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C
How much have you cut so far? Stone and a bit, yeah.
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A
What, just like, not it. Because the water is always like how you get it out at the end, isn't it?
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C
That's the end bit you just.
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A
Then you quickly eat. Like a munchie.
- [101:10]
C
Yeah.
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A
A crunchy bar.
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C
Yeah.
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A
You're so brave. I've seen. I don't want to like. Well, you guys must. Is obviously your sports guys.
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C
Yeah, we watch a lot of the.
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A
Boxing because I. I've been to a few boxing matches.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I mean, I love them.
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C
It's like, who have you been to see Fight?
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A
Well, I mean, I just local ones in Dalston. But I mean, I've seen like blood splatter and like kind of. They just get knocked out. It is funny because when they come on, you can kind of tell sometimes.
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C
You'Ve been to a big fight.
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A
No. Yeah.
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C
You need to go to a big one. It's a. It's a great event. Yeah. What's the. We've got the Ben Eubank one coming up at Tottenham Stadium. That'll be a good one. Been out to Vegas because.
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Because the kind of local guys, like, don't like them, so they think it's all a bit corrupt and stuff.
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C
I mean, it totally is corrupt, but it's just a great event. Yeah.
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A
I would like to go. Yeah.
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C
If you can get to a Vegas one. It's. Unfortunately, it's all moved to Saudi now, but you used to get the big Vegas fights. I was so. Ricky Hatton fight. Floyd Mayweather there. It's my first fight. It was incredible. And I went out to a Tyson Fury one against. Who does these Tyson Fury fights. It was his fourth fight. What's his name? You know, I'm terrible at names. Yeah, he fought him five, four times, three times. But Wilder. Yeah, Deontay Wilder, he'd love it. It's. I mean, it's corrupt. It's totally corrupt. You know, you don't know. You know, it's all about the money. But it's worth going to. Maybe you should get back in the ring.
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A
I love Fox.
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C
Get on the undercard of Kontai.
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A
Oh, okay.
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C
Yeah. Or the girl you go and fight, Rachel Reeves.
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A
Yeah. You're so brave. The nose thing is what worries me, but, you know, I really miss it. It's the greatest. Great exercise you get. You're so fit when you do boxing.
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C
I'm so unfit. Don't get old any more. Weird ones. You want to tell me before I move on? Because I think people listen to all love the weirdest ones.
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This one. Oh, this one. Dancing dialogue. That was for refugees and diasporic communities where they negotiated their embodied identity. They're all just really similar. Yeah, there's one. There's one that was called the Abundance Project. And long story short, it's got 1 million. And it was basically like. I watched a video for it and it's just this woman. Black minority ethnic and refugee communities who live in poorer southwest London boroughs and other cities are at the greatest risk of poor mental health. However, they are least likely to engage with cultural and green community assets or social prescribing. And so this. This project is basically.
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C
It's all keyword bingo.
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Yeah. It's basically just like people like going to the park. One, like 1 million to prove that people like going to the park. It's just. It's like. Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's just keyword bingo. Because they just say. And I think that. And. And the kind of. This is another way they protect themselves from. Because it's so Emperor's New Clothes. It's just bollocks being dressed up. And it's. It's like another layer of not getting accountability. Because the, you know, it's meant to make people feel like they can't possibly. Because they haven't got PhD, they couldn't possibly understand this Green Abundance Project. And then they won't want to scrutinize it and they won't want to look into it. And it has worked. Worked quite well, actually.
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C
Do you remember that guy did the Time Waster Diaries? Did you ever see that? Try and search, Dave. Someone try and find the Time Waster Diaries. This guy, I remember years ago, I'm sure he's worked in advertising. He used to just write letters to places to waste their time. Is it the Time Waster Diaries? I think he did one about a spider. Robin Cooper. I can't remember. It was a book he wrote. But when he used to write, just write to random places. Absolute nonsense.
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A
That's so bad.
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C
I don't think it's gonna be. Scroll down, scroll down. No, I don't know if it's that Search for time Wasted diary. Just go for Google Images because I'll know it. Or Time wasted. Yeah, it's that one. Those letters. Yeah, it's that guy. So what he used to do is just like write these random letters to places, like, and just make complaints and get them to write back and go on. I'm just thinking with this, maybe you should just, like, apply for some grants under a pseudonym. Like the most ridiculous grant you could possibly go for.
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I should. Well, some people have actually done that, to be fair.
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C
Have they?
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Yeah, it was called. I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head, but there was a hoax. It was Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay did the American. Yeah, there was three of them that did it and they sent. They sent in like, these, then they got signed off like some. Your son could probably search for it if you type hoax. Helen Pluck, Rose and James Lindsay. They should. They should come up.
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C
I think James Lindsay blocked me on Twitter.
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A
Oh, no.
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C
He's a bit too conservative for me. Okay. So.
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A
But yeah, there's just.
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C
Yeah, endless.
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A
It's just mapping it out is going to take. I mean, these. Yeah, these are just like a small sample. It's going to take ages.
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C
What would you like to see happen now off the back of this? Like, it's out there now. People are talking about it. I put that tweet out. I didn't even realize it was you running the account, but I took that tweet out the other day saying, I'm patiently waiting for UK Doge and endless comments underneath tagging you and tagging UK Doge and tagging the procurement files. It's like it's out there in the psyche now. Like, what do you want to see happen?
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Yeah, so I. I actually work with procurement files. So we're a team.
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C
Okay.
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A
We're DOGE uk. So for the last few months, we've been trying to work, like, trying to build like, my website's going to launch sort of this week, but we. I basically want to audit all of this, map the deep state and then feed it to people that are going to win the election to take to Parliament and pull out and try and try and shape policy, essentially.
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C
Well, that would be huge.
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A
Yeah. I mean, I want. I want it out, like. And, you know, I'm not an mp, but I think, like, you know, I know people in reform and I know conservatives like him, and I want to give as much information as possible to help people do that.
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C
And if you map the entire deep state out, quango after quango, the people, the connections. Yeah. I envisage those 3D models where the money flows are. If that becomes public and that is taken on board by conservatives and reformer, who I believe would. I think there'll be such a visceral reaction from the public that there would be low to no chance of labor winning a reelection. They would themselves have to think about this, but they're not going to because it would be ideologically against them to deal with this.
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A
Well, they'll try to rig the elections in terms of. Not rigged, but, like, they'll give the vote to young people. They'll try and flood the country with immigrants and give them. They'll try and give.
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C
Do you think that they would do that as a voting tactic?
- [108:23]
A
100%. 100%, yeah, definitely. Anything. That's all. That's all the left want. They just constantly think about. The thing that's so worrying about them is they don't. I think they. They're more bothered about tactics to win rather than creating popular policies that would create natural support, you know, rather than being like, yeah, this is very popular. Let's try and really go. They just think people are wrong. So how do we beat them? Like, how do we make sure that we stand power? You know, I mean, they jailed people for tweets, so they really are wrong uns. So I think we need to sort of. I mean, I. I'm very inspired by Javier Miller in Argentina. He's my hero, actually. He's. He's like the original.
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C
I've seen your T shirt.
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A
I love my T shirt. He's the original.
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C
Doge, have you been out there?
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What in. I wanted to go, though.
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C
So me and Kurt. When were we there? Kurt. We went out two years and made a documentary ahead of the election.
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A
Amazing.
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C
We interviewed his economic advisor and we.
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A
You know, you were really ahead of the game.
- [109:30]
C
Yeah, well, no, I mean, I'm in the world of bitcoin. The bitcoiners are true libertarians at heart. Yeah, yeah. They're ahead of the curve on all this financial stuff. They know how fucked government is, and they've just put all their money in bitcoin and it's a year later. And as part of that, Milei is kind of a bit of a hero because he's kind of libertarian. He's not full libertarian, but he's definitely got libertarian principles. And so we were aware. We went out there just to make a film to see what it was about. Very cool. Weird thing about it is it's place of high inflation, but unless you know there's inflation, you don't see it. Everything seems perfectly normal, which is weird. But I know he's. I know he's had a. Like a very positive effect on the country, but there are people gunning for him because he's stripped back every. I'll tell you one story. It's hilarious. So we were walking around the Buenos Aires with this guy Juan, and there were guys who were recobbling the streets. It's really interesting. He pointed out and said, yeah, they're recobbling the street. I was like, that's cool. He's like, yeah, they do this every year. I was like, what? He said, yeah, no, every year they get to recobble the street. So they're what? So they've got employment and then so they vote for. The Peronista was the historical party. They're the commies. I can't remember, I could have that wrong. But he said, that's how they secure the votes. And then as we went around Argentina, we started to realize this. Just this network of securing votes. They're securing votes in certain neighborhoods, there's certain industries, certain jobs, and he's just gonna strip the whole thing out. But now what they're doing is they're funding activists. They will bus buses of activists in to start protests in the city against Melee. So it's crazy.
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A
Oh, God, the actor. Yeah. No, he's really. You know what. What I like about him is that, you know, he says things like, long live freedom, God damn it. And he. The thing that the right or the normies could really take off him is he goes on the offense, whereas we're always on, you know, like, oh, we don't be the nasty party. Whereas, like, when people used to interview Melee before he became president, he'd be like, socialism, it sucks ass. And like, you know, he just.
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C
I know the video in that chat, that interview. He's like, you have to kill them. Don't give them any air.
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A
Yeah. He was just like, you know, he's not like, well, you know, it's nice idea, but he's like, yeah, bloody star. Yeah. And it's like, we need to be like that. And we. And I always think. I actually think. I've always thought conservatives should try and own the nasty part. They should be like, you know, like, big nasty. Like, we aren't that. We are the Nasty party. We love work. They should own it like that. Because all this kind of trying to be nicey nice, which ultimately true conservatives do believe in their movement, is because it means people have more disposable income and happier lives. But they've got to be, they've got to be soldiers. They can't be like, I don't know, it's all just, it's so, it's so wet and like, just. But I think I, I do think that if something. I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, obviously with the us, that's very exciting for Britain. People are getting re. Energized with this whole stuff. But, but I do think, think that I kind of joke that we will have a peasants revolt. Yeah. Because, because people have got so used to the state, like leeching off them and, and, but there's, there's a point. I mean, it's like a contract and they work for us. And I think people really have to remember, like, you know, if they don't do their jobs and if they stop breaching, you know, you read their job description, it's like they work for UK citizens. If they're like now the MP for Gaza or like, you know, there's so many of them just to talk now more about international affairs than actually Britain, then we could just, we just got to dig out the job description. Like, this is your job. Do you want, do you want to resign? Because I'm not sure we should be paying for you if this, if you're going to breach the terms of the conditions. And I think we've got to start being a bit more like, like Ally McBeal about at it.
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C
Like, I think it's happening.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, if you think, if you think of the amount of money that was funded through the Biden administration, all through the US to try and secure that election for Kamala and they still failed. You think how much hatred that was funded against Trump. You think of what they did with the Hunter buying a laptop and then the Russia, if they did everything to stop this guy. And still enough of the people that went to this country went, I'm fed up of this. I don't want any more of this bollocks. I don't. We want something new and Trump just came in and hopefully he'll deliver. I, I mean, I really hope he delivers and I really hope some of the journalists aren't ideological and are objective enough with him and, you know, challenge him. But there's this energized population Here, like, hold on, I think I want some of that.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It reminds me, it's that you've seen Jerry Maguire.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You know the end bit where the agent, Tom Cruise goes and hugs it and the other guy's. The agent's with him, with the other guy and he's like. You can tell he's really jealous. He thinks I want some. I think a lot of people here want that. And then we're fucking fed up at this shit.
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A
You say that to me, but I just remember the bit where he goes to Rennie Zellweger and he's like, what's the romantic speech he makes? That's what that's about.
- [114:38]
C
Oh. And then she says, you had me at hello.
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A
Yeah, that's like what the woman remembers. Like, oh, when he comes through the door.
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C
But I think there is that desire. We still have a slight problem here is that they, you know, let's give them the benefit of doubt. Like, at least 40% of the media coverage in the US, maybe 50% with Twitter was Trump and 50% was anti Trump. Here we've still got, I don't know, 80, 70, 80%, which is still anti Trump. I don't know if you watched Question Time last night, but Matt Goodwin was on and he did a brilliant job of just trying to, you know, reset the thoughts on the ideas of Trump. Everybody else there is pretty much anti Trump and we've still got that, that issue here. But I know enough people have, even if they didn't have to be pro Trump, you just have to be. I'm fed up with this. I'm fed up of high tax Philippine wasting my money. I'm fed up with people getting stabbed, fed up with the NHS working and if anything, maybe Rupert Lowe, he's kind of doing that nasty thing in a blunt way.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I, I like, I like the cut of his. I liked. He was on with Ash Sarkar and Politics Live and they were talking about NHS spending on translation costs and Ash was sort of like, yeah, like we do you need it. I really don't like her, by the way. And. And he was just like, I don't care. And I, I just thought, I just freaking love this.
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C
What was that tweet you found yesterday? Connor was like, Connor goes to me, guys, I love Rupert Light. Did you see this toy? And I hadn't seen it. Do you know what I mean? It's absolutely brilliant. But he's Rupert Lowe's appealing to a 20 year old there.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You know, it started happening because what have they got. They can't afford a house. There's no jobs available. I just think. I don't know. I'm. I'm really optimistic. I think it will come through reform. I'm not saying I'm gonna be a reform revoter because I'm intrigued by Kemi. I wouldn't vote labor, of course, because I'm not an idiot, but I'm. I'm intrigued to see what they. They can do, because if not, well, everyone's gonna leave. Where's this tweet? Yeah, I'm incredibly offended. What this Labor MP just said about me in Parliament. He states that I was sack every DI officer in the nhs total. Non. Be accurate. I would sack every single DEI officer across the entire public sector.
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A
I know. It's so funny.
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C
I think we do.
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A
I think you've got to go on the offense. You got to be like, everyone's been too apologetic for years, but we've just let these. They're just bullies, you know, they're just horrible bullies.
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C
Well, Counsel, I think council cultures started to fail. Like, I'm not. Are you bothered in it? I'm not bothered. I can't really be canceled. I can be arrested, but I can't be.
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A
We can only be canceled by oligarchs and libel suits. That's. That's the real cancellation.
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C
Yeah, but you can't. Like, we. I can put out a podcast and say what I want anyway, and you can put out an article, say what you want.
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A
And I think that the worst is definitely cleared.
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C
Yeah. And that decentralization of media.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I think is. Has allowed people to challenge this a bit more.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Thank you, Don Musk, for some of that as well. I feel like we've covered loads. Is there anything I've not asked you? Wish I had. There's any part of this we've not covered because I'm conscious of our time, I don't think.
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A
No, I think it's all very. If anyone wants to read it, it's all online at my sub stack.
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C
We'll share that all. How can people actually support you and help you? So if people want to back this.
- [117:53]
A
They can take out a paid subscription. They're really great. I've got like, buy me a coffee. And I. I mean, I have. You know, I do make bits and bobs of income, but I have mostly. I mostly make my income through the subscription and those channels, so that's the best way to fund it. But. But we're just. We' to work out the Funding model at the moment, because obviously I write about who funds you, so I have to think quite carefully about how to actually fund myself. But. But people have been amazingly supportive recently and throughout. So just like, that is really helping me.
- [118:29]
C
Research and recent uptick.
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A
Yeah, actually. Yeah. And the last. With all the stuff online, the Spectator stuff that actually brought a lot more people to my work.
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C
That's such a shame, because actually, do you know what? I kind of don't mind the Spectator in once. In that they once wrote this article I disagreed with.
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A
With.
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C
And they went, okay, write your own version. I did. And they didn't. They didn't. The editorial on it was minor, was a few kind of grammatical things that they just said, change. And they published it. And I was like, oh, that's really cool. The same with the ft. And they diluted it so much. I said, actually, there's no point publishing this now, because what you've changed it is bollocks. So I actually quite liked that. The fact they did that and then I've seen they've just been nicking your content.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Basically.
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A
It's been a bit of an onslaught the last week because, I mean, I. What bothers me is that I. I'm often, like. I jokingly call myself Schisandra, you know, like Cassandra, because I just. Sometimes I think, you know, I spot something really early on and then I pitch it like mad. And I think. I think, like, the mainstream don't really know what to do with me. Like, they're like, she's a bit. We don't really get her. Like, don't really know what. But. And they kind of. They're not interested. I'm like, no, this is really going to be the next big thing. Like, this is very important, very big scandal. Don't give a crap, because I'm not what they. You know, and then.
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C
Can't put you in a box.
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A
And then they. And then as soon as the people that took it, well, the people that are trying to emulate it are like, guido forks. And that. That annoyed me because I'd actually spoken to the. The guy that edits. Edits it. And I'd always been really. I actually, like, asked him for a coffee. I've always been really open with him, and he just didn't tell me, you know, and then Spectator just basically, like. I mean, most of the examples they use were once in my substack. So without. I don't want to sound really, like, whiny about it, but, like, it was.
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C
A big story and they know they can run with it and keep working. And it's just.
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A
It. It just happens in independent journalism, you're just. You're too weird, you're too niche. No, no one's interested in that until they are and then they. They run with it themselves. The people that told you it wasn't.
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C
A thing, but there is a benefit. There's this flip side thing in. In that they will always be spectator and you, Charlotte girl, and your reputation and public profile will always grow and people would rather give you money than them. Eventually, you always end up beating them, like.
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A
Well, it's been one of the. I mean, I really didn't expect it, but people have been absolutely lovely. Like, they, They. I mean, they stood up for me on Mass. They were like, why have you done. Why have you done this? And they. People have, like, given me more subscriptions this week and, like, I really didn't. And that has just been quite, like. It's like, really restored the faith and it's very nice. So.
- [121:10]
C
Well, the attrition rate on these things is quite low anyway, so if you just keep doing it, I mean, I'm sure. Yeah, very well.
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A
The thing is, like, I'm so, like, ultimately, like, you know, I'm a journalist. I got. I make. Make my money that way. But, like, it is my love, like, this is, you know, that I wanna. I wanna say Britain. So I really. This isn't just. This isn't just a passing phase for me. This is like, you know, I've given. I've given a year and a half of my life to it and. And I'm not gonna stop, so.
- [121:41]
C
Well, listen, I could do it. Crush it. I mean, yeah, anything we can do to help, give me a shout. I'd love to do this again. Whenever you want.
- [121:47]
A
Being a founding member, I'm very grateful.
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C
No, not a problem. We. We will happily continue to support you and ask. Continue to support. I just think it's really fucking cool what you're doing. And I like, you just, you know, we. We came back to do this podcast here because we think UK's going to shoot and we want to. If we can do anything in this room to help it, we will. So I think there's a growing force of people, Yeah, a.
- [122:08]
A
We got to shout, you know, like, Javier Mill, get a chainsaw. Yeah, exactly.
- [122:13]
C
Yeah. Keep crushing listeners. Go subscribe to Charlotte Substack. It's amazing. Good luck. Thank you, everyone, for listening.
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A
La.