PMQs #004 - I'm Withdrawing My Consent from the British State

Summary

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The Peter McCormack Show – PMQs #004

"I'm Withdrawing My Consent from the British State"

Host: Peter McCormack
Guest: Connor (Bedford Crew)
Date: December 15, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Peter McCormack has a candid and passionate discussion about his growing disillusionment with the British political system, the failings of democracy, and the broader generational despair afflicting British youth. After a pivotal week of reflection—sparked by watching the Piers Morgan interview with Nick Fuentes—Peter announces a fundamental shift in his own approach: he is "withdrawing consent" from the British state by refusing to participate in or legitimize a system he believes is irreparably broken. The episode delves into themes of institutional decay, generational betrayal, youth disenfranchisement, political media spectacles, and the urgent need for systemic change and limitations on government power.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Inflection Point: Peter's Change of Heart

• Peter's week of intense reading and writing led to a breaking point regarding faith in political institutions. The catalyst was watching Piers Morgan's combative interview with Nick Fuentes.
• Peter expresses disillusionment with "left vs. right" politics, culture wars, and government decay, recognizing that underlying incentives in government doom it to failure (00:20–05:40).
• Quote (Peter, 02:24): "I'm done pretending that what we have here, this democracy... works anymore. I'm done. I'm over it."

2. The Futility of Voting and Structural Disenfranchisement

• Peter and Connor agree that voting for different parties changes little; all parties ultimately maintain the decaying status quo (02:49–06:54).
• Peter argues that not voting is itself a form of protest and "a vote of no confidence" (06:54–07:18).
• Quote (Peter, 06:58): "I think not voting is a vote. Spoiling your paper is a vote. You're making a point."

3. The Piers Morgan vs. Nick Fuentes Interview: A Generational Lens

• Peter’s perception shifts after seeing the reactions of younger viewers online. Initially, he supported Piers Morgan's performance, but backlash reveals a generational disconnect (08:57–11:46).
• Connor explains that online discourse is driven by "games of memes and clips," not direct debate victories (11:02–11:46).
• Quote (Peter, 11:46): "Our generation had Eminem... It was the same shock factor."

Examining Cultural Outrage and Youth Alienation

• Peter analogizes the Fuentes broadcast to generational reactions to Eminem, noting shock value is a form of rebellion.
• After a second viewing, he gains empathy for youth anger—many feel betrayed by a rigged system (12:05–14:58).
• Quote (Peter, 13:35): "Why do so many people tune in to [Fuentes'] livestream every night and love what he's saying? ...Who are these people who are nodding along and agreeing? That's the bigger issue."

4. Critique of Media and Generational Outrage

• Peter reflects that mainstream figures (like Piers Morgan) remain trapped in 'regime' thinking, expressing prescribed moral outrage rather than addressing real generational grievances (19:20–21:26).
• He notes the necessity of moving past moral outrage towards actionable change, highlighting how expressing outrage accomplishes nothing for disenfranchised youth (21:26–25:18).
• Quote (Peter, 21:26): "Your moral outrage is not getting rid of Nick Fuentes... So what are you going to do about it?"

5. The Lost Opportunity and Intergenerational Betrayal

• Peter and Connor discuss how their generation enjoyed far more opportunity and hope—and how these have been taken from today's youth through policy choices, debt, and economic stagnation (25:18–27:00).
• Quote (Peter, 26:00): "We’ve sold the opportunity and the hope of the younger generation to not have recessions. It’s as simple as that."

6. Institutional Collapse and Legitimacy Crisis

• Increasing loss of trust in all institutions (politics, media, finance, and more).
• Both left (Greens) and right (Reform) surges are seen as symptoms of a systemic collapse, not ideological shifts; trust in the machinery of democracy is broken (30:36–36:36).
• Quote (Peter, 30:40): "The rise of Reform and the rise of the Greens are the same movement... It's a collapse in trust in the state."

7. Parallels on Despair: Grace Blakeley's "Generation Despair" Article

• Peter draws direct connections between his own views and Grace Blakeley’s recent writing, showing broad agreement across ideological divides on diagnosis of youth despair (35:25–39:44).
• Quote (Grace Blakely, read by Peter): “For decades, capitalism in Britain has survived on the basis of an implicit intergenerational bargain… That bargain has collapsed and young people know it.” (36:04)
• Connor and Peter note the only divergence is in proposed solutions—socialist policies vs. systemic overhaul.

8. Systemic Focus: Beyond Policy to Limitations on Power

• Both hosts argue that no party—be it Greens, Reform, or Labour—can fix the root issues; the system itself incentivizes short-termism, power retention, and generational theft (42:36–44:00).
• Peter advocates for fundamental change: constitutional limits on power, not just swapping rulers (44:00–50:00).
• Quote (Peter, 44:01): “If you were deliberately designing a system to hollow out the next generation, it would look exactly like this.”

9. The Solution: Cultural (and Constitutional) Revolution

• Peter sees only a new cultural revolution—uniting left and right to constrain government power—as viable (44:00–51:00).
• He challenges listeners to identify any improvement from government in the last 30 years, inviting debate (50:00–51:48).
• Quote (Peter, 50:00): “If you can't give me a good answer, you are just selfish... If you want that better world for our kids, you have to do this—you have to be like me and go, okay, we got to change this.”

10. Media Approaches: Patrick Bet-David vs. Piers Morgan

• Peter points to Patrick Bet-David’s more empathetic, 'adult in the room' interview style with Nick Fuentes as the model for meaningful conversation with figures outside the mainstream (52:11–56:37).
• Quote (Patrick Bet-David, 52:18): “For a person who knows how to communicate as well as you do, when you use those words, you get an average person to question your intelligence. And you don’t need to do that.”
• Peter praises Bet-David for “respecting the guest” and trying to effect responsibility in a younger generation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Political Disillusionment & Not Voting

• Peter (06:58): "I think not voting is a vote. Spoiling your paper is a vote. You're making a point."

On Generational Betrayal

• Peter (26:00): "We've sold the opportunity and the hope of the younger generation."

On Cultural Outrage

• Peter (21:26): "Your moral outrage is not getting rid of Nick Fuentes... So what are you going to do about it?"

On Comparative Movements (Left & Right)

• Peter (30:40): "The rise of Reform and the rise of the Greens are the same movement... It's a collapse in trust in the state."

On Systemic Change vs Party Politics

• Peter (44:01): "If you were deliberately designing a system to hollow out the next generation, it would look exactly like this."

On Solutions

• Peter (50:00): “If you can't give me a good answer, you are just selfish... If you want that better world for our kids, you have to do this—you have to be like me and go, okay, we got to change this.”

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Key Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------|------------| | Peter’s Inflection/Self-Reflection | 00:20–05:40| | Voting Disillusionment; Political Incentives | 02:49–07:18| | Piers Morgan vs. Nick Fuentes Segment | 08:57–14:58| | Peter’s Reading of Audience Backlash | 09:36–11:46| | Generational Anger / Opportunity Lost | 25:18–27:00| | Institutional Collapse – Left/Right Movements | 30:36–36:36| | Grace Blakeley Article Comparison | 35:25–39:44| | Institutional Limits / Call for Revolution | 44:00–51:00| | Patrick Bet-David vs. Piers Morgan Interview | 52:11–56:37|

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Tone & Style

• The episode is blunt, introspective, and impassioned.
• Peter’s personal frustration and moral urgency are at the fore, alternating between exasperation, self-examination, and sharp criticism.
• Language moves from conversational banter with Connor to intense, almost manifesto-like declarations.

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Conclusion

Peter McCormack uses this episode as a public reckoning, declaring a withdrawal of consent from what he sees as a broken, unfixable system. He urges his listeners—across the political spectrum—to do the same, focusing not on party politics, but on instituting structural limitations to fix the root causes of generational decline. He calls for unity, honesty, and an unprecedented cultural revolution to restore hope for the youth and repair the nation’s future.

Closing line (Peter, 56:37): "This is my commitment now. I am laser focused—this is all you’re going to hear me talk about now: limitations on power.”

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Transcript

[Connor]

Foreign.

[Peter McCormack]

Welcome to another episode of the podcast. I'm Peter McCormack. Got your boy, your Bedford grouper Connor here. How you doing, man?

[Connor]

Who's the grouper now? Actually? Who's the group for now you're the grouper.

[Peter McCormack]

It has been an. It's been an interesting week. I don't think I've ever had a week where I've read so much, written so much. I wrote four articles. I call this, I call this week an inflection point where I think I've, I think I've given my last. I'm. I'm done pretending that what we have here, this, this democracy that we have in this country works anymore. I'm done. I'm over it. I want to talk about that today. I want to talk about a couple of things. The inflection point came. I watched an interview between Piers Morgan and Nick Fuentes and I didn't know much about Nick Fuentes at the time. I'd seen a couple of clips about him. Just seemed like some crazy ultra right wing American guy. And I watched this interview with Piers Morgan and I had to reflect, had a moment of reflection, thought about it a lot. Ended up writing loads and going through that process. I kind of came to the point where I'm done. I'm done. I am done with the state of our democracy and the state of our government. I'm done with the decay. I'm done with the left right arguments. I'm done with the infighting. I'm done with the culture wars. I think every problem we have right now in this country is downstream of the limitations of our government. And so I'm going to shift my focus. I'm going to shift my focus. I'm going to stop thinking about the next election, whenever that is, if it's in 2029 or 2030, and think just that by voting in another party, magically everything's going to get better in this country. We're going to end the decay. I am at that point now where I believe every cup, every government is set to fail. And it's set to fail because of the lack of limitations that we have with our government. And it's not because politicians are evil. I don't believe they're evil. I just believe the incentives are set up for particularly weak, unintelligent people to exploit us, to continue the decay that we've had in this country. And so, yeah, here we are. I mean, Connor, look, Connor's my battering ram. We talk about this every, every day in the car. Every evening. Like, what's it like for you?

[Connor]

Like, fed up. I'm fed up.

[Peter McCormack]

Okay. Why are you fed up?

[Connor]

It's the. It's like the future. Hope. There isn't really much, is there? From what you can see. And it's like you say, so what if a turquoise color gets into Parliament? Does much change? Or are they just going to be another version of the same thing, the.

[Peter McCormack]

Same decay over and over again? Interestingly. So I came to this realization and look, I know this is obvious. Everyone's going to say, yeah, this is obvious. But politicians care about one thing. When Zach Polanski goes out to Calais and he gives water to migrants wanting to get into boats. Please, please don't just say like he cares more than you. He's a good guy, he's empathetic. We all must recognize this is marketing, right? He's going out there letting the journalists know and he wants to create a bunch of content that appeals to people who are more empathetic. The nice people, the be kind people. And it isn't just Zach Polanski. It's every single politician, their job. They've got one job, one job only, which is to maintain power. And I did this. I put it in grok earlier, put it in con. We'll show people. I wrote a prompt, an obvious prompt. What is the one consistent and overriding goal of a politician? Just give me one. Not ideological. What they should do, what they all care about. I did that on my grok. We'll do it in your. See if it comes back similar. All right, here we go. This is the one consistent, overriding personal goal that drives nearly all politicians in democratic systems, regardless of ideology. Political science describes elected officials as single minded seekers of re election because staying in office is the prerequisite for achieving any other aim, whether policy changes, power, influence or personal benefits. Without re election, everything else ends. Ideological goals are often subordinated to whatever keeps voters support. Which explains why politicians across the spectrum prioritize popularity, fundraising and credit claiming over pure principle. Okay, I mean, sounds about right. Sounds about right. Yeah, yeah. My goal is to get reelected and so I will do whatever it takes to get reelected. And the problem is if you do not have limitations in government, they're going to bend every part of government towards that goal. Unlimited fiscal power, Unlimited regulatory creep. No expiry. They don't own any of it. They absolutely will do everything to retain power. And that means we've got a system of incentives whereby the 650 people in government and all the lackeys around them. Their goal is for them. It's a selfish goal. It's not one where they're putting the country first. And I know, look, there's going to be people watching, going, what? You only just figured this out? Pete, Look, I've always kind of known it, but I'm just not playing it anymore. I mean I've talked about on this show a few times now. I haven't actually voted in the last three elections because there hasn't been a single party where I've thought, oh yeah, I think you're going to make the country better. I wouldn't vote for a left wing party because I don't believe in left wing economics. It's only that it's left wing economics I think are destructive. But I didn't vote for the conservatives because I didn't ever believe they had a plan. And I'm not going to spend the next three years getting suckered into believing another party will solve this. I don't believe it anymore and I refuse to be part of this.

[Connor]

People don't like that.

[Peter McCormack]

I know, they always complain, don't they? They're like people died for that vote. They died. Why didn't people. If you don't vote, you're going to allow the other party like I don't care anymore. Okay, we have had.

[Connor]

But your, your belief is also. That is a vote. It's a vote of no confidence.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah, I think not voting is a vote. Spoiling your paper is a vote. You're making a point. When they look at the voting records and they say we only had a 60% turnout, where does that apathy come from? I'm telling you now, it comes from here. It comes from right in here, whereby I do not believe that we structurally have a system that allows for any politician to deliver a net good for the country. Our incentives are all set up wrong. All set up wrong. Which is why I mean look great example Labour Party manifesto. We will not raise taxes on working people. We will had two budgets and they've raised them twice. There is no restrictions on power so they can do anything they want. They're unaccountable. I'm over it. I'm over it. I do. I really want to talk about what happened with Nick Fuentes and it was my inflection point this week. If you go on my sub stack find that kind of stick in the show notes. I wrote two articles about it with a little help of AI but I wrote two articles about it because it really stuck with me the first time. I watched it. If you haven't seen it, go and watch Piers Morgan with Nick Fuentes and Connor. I'll be honest about this. Conor will tell you. I got him in the car, said, you need to watch this. I was about 40 minutes in and I said, this is a masterclass by Piers Morgan. Masterclass. Because I, I, all I knew about Nick Fuentes is what I kind of little clips I'd seen on Instagram or Twitter and things about him being a racist and a misogynist and a Jew hater. And I was like, oh, this is just some like some right wing young 4chan idiot. I completely written him off and didn't care about him. And the first thing that Piers Morgan did was hold him to account about something he said on his, on his own show.

[Connor]

Rumble.

[Peter McCormack]

Rumble. Yeah. When you talked about his father. And I watched Piers hold into account and I was like, yeah, kind of check this out. He nailed it. And then I'd gone on Twitter and Aaron Bastani had put out a tweet about Piers Morgan. Skewering. Skewering, yeah, skewering Fuentes. And I agreed. I like replied to Aaron. I was like, yeah, he did. Anyway, I go to bed, I wake up in the morning and I see a reply and I click on it and I go to the replies and there are loads of replies and pretty much every one of them is going, you're an idiot.

[Connor]

Shut up, retard.

[Peter McCormack]

Shut up, shut up. Yeah, I got, I mean, how many times I got absolutely skewered myself? And I was like, huh, what have I missed here?

[Connor]

It's probably a 14 year old on.

[Peter McCormack]

All of us, our parents, who's you, grouper. But no, no, no. So I think, I think in one of those, I think when those moments happen, you kind of, you have to like, I'm not a boomer, I'm a Gen X. I am an older guy. I'm an old guy. You kind of have to take a moment where you step back and you go, huh, what have I missed here? Like I asked you, right?

[Connor]

Yeah, but actually I do think at first I got it wrong as well.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah, but you were the one who checked me. You're the one who said, yeah, but like, young people don't care as much.

[Connor]

Anymore about what you don't give a fuck. But I also was disgusted by it. And I think that comes from the same thing. Like you're systematically told what's right and what's wrong, and if anyone steps out of the way, you must be disgusted by it.

[Peter McCormack]

True. And I guess also, one difference we should probably put in is, like, I don't think you would get an English Nick Fuentes.

[Connor]

No, the culture's different.

[Peter McCormack]

Well, they're putting him in jail. Keir Starmer, send the thought police after him and throw him in jail. But, like, culturally, we're different. We don't. We're not that brash. We talk about it differently, I guess.

[Connor]

But I did understand the youth side more. Like, I understood how he did not win Piers, because actually, it's a game of memes or it's a game of clips. And who wins on the clips?

[Peter McCormack]

Well, that's what you told. You told me. And I think that goes back. It's like the whole Andrew Tate moment.

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Peter McCormack]

I never got Andrew Tate. And I kind of understand it a bit more now. I still don't care, but I. Like, I never understood it at the.

[Connor]

Time, and once again, neither did I. Like, I wasn't a fan of his, but I understood what he was doing. It's the. It's the algorithm, right?

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Gets you on the algorithm.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

Yeah.

[Peter McCormack]

But also. And young. I think that goes to my point in the article. It's like they're kind of like, our generation had Eminem, right?

[Connor]

Yeah.

[Peter McCormack]

And if I'd have played Eminem in my car, my dad would have been disgusted. I think I did, actually. He would have said, turn that shit off. What do you mean? He's rapping about raping his mother, snorting coke, and we gave him the Rolling Stone cover. Like. But at the same time, it was the same shock factor.

[Connor]

It's unfamiliar.

[Peter McCormack]

It's unfamiliar. So then I had to, like. And I think Piers Morgan should have done the same, but I kind of had to take a step back and go and go, okay, what is this about? And it's not like I didn't care about what Nick Fuentes was saying. That wasn't the point. The point was, is why do so many people tune into his live stream every night and love what he's saying? It's not who Nick Fuentes is. Is. Who are these people who are, like, nodding along and agreeing. That's the bigger issue. We should. Let's. So what was really interesting, I went back and watched. I've watched it again. I watched it for a second time, and I changed my lens. I stopped being like a dad disappointed in his son. Because that was kind of what it was. I was thinking, what if Conor, it was you saying this stuff that, like, have I failed? And then I put a different lens on, and the Lens I changed to was. Imagine I'm watching this as a disenfranchised young person who's been to uni, has got loads of debt, can't get a job, who can't get on the housing ladder, is living with their parents and generally thinks our generation and the older generations are a bunch of fucking idiots who've let them down. So I watched it with that lens and I was like, huh, yeah, this is entirely different. This isn't what I thought it was like. I still, I'm not gonna sit there and justify what Nick Fuentes says. I don't agree with some of it, but it's not even the point. I don't think I'm meant to agree with him or get was seeing it through the lens of a younger person who's saying, well, you've architected really shitty well for us. Why should I care about your moral outrage? And then when I watched it again, I mean this bit, even at the time I thought Piers was a bit of a loser, but I think this proves where he lost. Go play that clip.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

Just to clear up one of the many theories about you, I have no idea what the answer is and you haven't got to answer, but are you actually attracted to women?

[Nick Fuentes]

I am attracted to women.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

You're not gay?

[Nick Fuentes]

No, but I will say that women are very difficult to be around.

[Peter McCormack]

Okay, so there's that.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

And do you think they should have the right to vote?

[Peter McCormack]

I do not.

[Connor]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

Absolutely not.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

They should stay at home.

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, yeah, absolutely.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

So basically you're just a misogynist old dinosaur, aren't you? For, for a young guy? I mean, I know I'm the boomer, I know I'm the boomer here, but actually you're a 27 year old dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you Nick Fuentes?

[Peter McCormack]

All women.

[Connor]

I am.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

All women are annoying. All women grow old, they all get fat. Says the guy. Have you ever had sex?

[Nick Fuentes]

No, absolutely not.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

Wow. Says the guy who's never got laid.

[Peter McCormack]

I mean, that was such a cell phone. That was such a cell phone. What was interesting watching it back is how cool and calm Nick Fuentes was about that point. But it was such a self owned by Piers Morgan because I suspect inside he was like, he saw this as a competition, he saw this as a debate, something he had to win. And we'll show an interview with Patrick Bet David shortly. Because it was an entirely different interview. Patrick Bet David approached it entirely differently. But Nick Fuentes is a Catholic, right? You're not supposed to have sex. And when Piers Morgan is saying, huh, basically you're just like a dinosaur who thinks women should be in the kitchen and. And you've never got laid. I think that was a huge self own. I mean, Andrew Wilson, big shout out to Andrew Wilson. Called him out on it and. Because the really interesting thing after this is I was wrong. I tried to reflect and try and understand what was going on. But then Piers Morgan kind of went on a hometown podcast tour to try and justify it. He. He's done essentially two shows afterwards where I think he's trying to. He's trying to convince people he won the argument. He got Dr. Phil on for a therapy session. But he also brought in, I think, five people to discuss it with. And they kind of made him look stupid. Put the play. The Andrew Wilson clip coming.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

Okay.

[Podcast Guest]

There was a part of the interview where you were very combative and you said you haven't even been laid and you're a virgin. This, this guy's a Roman Catholic, right? Isn't he supposed to be a virgin until he's married? Isn't like, isn't. Isn't that part of your guys.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

To be fair to him, to be fair to him, that is. I was brought up a Catholic. I'm not a particularly devout Catholic. I disagree with a lot of the churches.

[Podcast Guest]

But you do agree that Catholics are supposed to remain until marriage.

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

The strict interpretation from the Catholic Church about that is you should come.

[Connor]

He didn't get.

[Podcast Guest]

Shouldn't he get credit for that?

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah. Shouldn't he get credited for that? And that's been a really interesting kind of shift we've had in society over the last few years. The. Whatever podcast, if you haven't seen that, it's worth going to see. They do range of interviews, but, you know, sometimes they have on OnlyFans models and they just ask questions and they debate issues. But this kind of huge sexual liberation we have has started to roll back. I think a lot of us agree that instant access to the entire history of hardcore pornography for teenagers on mobile phones in their bedrooms has not been a good thing. But also, you've got young girls opening OnlyFans accounts, like people from my generation open Facebook accounts. And actually to have somebody turn around and say, you know what? I'm actually gonna wait until I'm getting married. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna sleep around. I think that's quite a good thing. I mean, one, it should be celebrated. But if you're a Catholic, that should be. It should be expected. And I think this is where Piers Morgan kind of highlighted that he's missed a cultural shift with the generation. But there was another one. Sorry, I'm jumping through a few clips here, because I think it's important to just bring these together. There's a Glenn Greenwald clip.

[Nick Fuentes]

But the idea, Peter, I think the thing is, is like, this generation of people grew up in the wake of the Iraq war, in the wake of endless war, in the wake of the destruction of their financial security, with the 2008 financial crisis, with all the lies of COVID and Russiagate and all the rest of it, and faith and trust in these institutions have collapsed. So when they look at people who represent institutional thinking and they're told, you're not allowed to make fun of this, and you're not allowed to talk about this and accept in the ways that we prescribe, and we're going to call you all these names, and unless you affirm all these pieties over and over and over again, one of the ways of rebelling against that is to say, you know, and it's a very common generational reaction, is to say, f you, we're going to transgress every line that you told us we can't, because we hate you. We think that the things that you're doing have been destructive to our lives. And I think, like, ignoring that part of. You know what?

[Interviewer (Piers Morgan)]

I think it's a very. You know what, Glenn? I think it's a very valid point.

[Connor]

And the. Do you think Pier's having his reflection point now?

[Peter McCormack]

I think he's got it.

[Connor]

I think it was hard to do live and he has to come back away from it. Yeah. And it's almost like, you know, you said you put something out on Twitter and then you got the comments back and you were like, oh, shit. Did he have to put it out, get all the comments back to realize. Oh, shit.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah. But look, the problem with this is, is he did it. And Andrew Wilson very clearly outlined to him that he's a Catholic and he should be a virgin. And then Glenn. Glenn Greenwell's. There was another really interesting bit with Glenn Greenwall where they talked. Yeah. They'll talk about, should we interview Nick Fuentes? Should we have him on the show? And. And the point Glenn made was that if you're going to have people who started wars and legitimized wars on your podcast and. And talk to them with legitimacy, well, why can't you talk to a guy with a rumble stream? And so I do think Piers Morgan is having a bit Of a. Do you know what it is? Piers Morgan was the regime, right? He worked for CNN and he was the. Was he the editor of the Daily Mirror? Like he had a foot in the regime where the job was to peddle bullshit to an unsuspecting public. And now he's gone independent. I think he's still got one foot in the regime.

[Connor]

He's still buddies with them all, but.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah, he's still buddies, but I think he still has that. And I, look, I still got a little bit. Sometimes you self censor. You're like, it's not what I think is, what am I meant to think? And I think Piers has still got that one foot in the regime where he's talking about what he. I think he thinks he's meant to think. I'm meant to show moral outrage. I'm meant to show all the other boomers and the late Gen X's and all the other people who are part of the regime. Look, I'm with you. I'm going to expose this Nick Fuentes.

[Connor]

I think you actually saw that a bit in his Tucker interview.

[Peter McCormack]

I think you're right. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. But the point was, is that you've also got to go through this realization that there is a lot of pissed off, angry young people who really don't care what my generation or the older generation think. And in some ways it's such a waste of time with the moral outrage. Nick Fuentes has had the moral outrage. He didn't care. He's not given a shit. So once we're done with the moral outrage, the question, like, I was talking to somebody about this over the weekend who expressed their moral outrage to me and I said, okay, cool, I hear your moral outrage. Now what? Now what? What are you going to do about it? Your moral outrage is not getting rid of Nick Fuentes and your moral outrage is not going to get all these young people who are frustrated and pissed off and some are nihilistic and whatever. They're not going to suddenly go, oh, I hear moral outrage. You were right. I'm going to go, I'm going to put. Pull up my boots. I'm going to go to work and I'm going to buy a house in 50 years when I can afford one. It's not going to change it. So what are you going to do about it? And I think for me, this is kind of like, this is why I went through that moment. I was like, okay, I need to write. I need to get these thoughts down Have a think about it and then when you start to tap into it, kind of taps into the things I've been saying a lot recently. And there's one line I wrote, I won't quote it correctly but it was something along the lines of we had opportunity. And so what that means is like when I was growing up, I was lucky. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. Pre mobile phone, really. I think mobile phones came in when I was like 17, 18, some people started to get them. Pre social media, pre everywhere you went and everything you did, somebody filming you. Pre the pressures of social media, the young people have like pre all that. We used to go skateboard on a Friday night, we used to go to a Squires, listen to punk music and go home and we'd have a drink and it was fun, it was cool, life was cool. And there was all this opportunity. It was go to uni and you'll get a job. And look, I dropped out of uni but I dropped out of university because the Internet came and I was programming websites and I got paid well to go and do it. There was so much opportunity. And what we've done is we've sold the opportunity and the hope of the younger generation to not have recessions. It's as simple as that. We've sold out their future. If you consider money as a proxy for time, I'm repeating something I've said before on the show, but money is a proxy for time. The reason you have a pension, the reason you have savings is so hopefully by the time you're 60, 65, you can quit work and live off that money, you know, go on your cruise or go on your Caribbean holidays and spend time with the grandkids, it's a proxy for time. But the more we borrow from the future, the more the government borrows from the future, the more we drive inflation and the more we push that away from our kids, the younger generation, because it's going to be later until they can buy a house, the house isn't going to be appreciate as much, they're not going to be able to get a pension. So what do we expect? They're going to work their whole lives. That's what we've done. We've sold their future out, we've sold their hope, we sold their opportunity. And so when they're coming back from university and they're having to do 200 applications for 200 different jobs which are being sifted by a models and saying, oh, sorry, computer says no, and then they're Having to get a low paid gig economy job while they're sat there with 70,000 a debt thinking, how do I get out of my parents house and buy a home? No wonder so many are fucked off. No wonder so many don't give a single shit about what we're saying.

[Connor]

I think we did. It's really interesting when you said they don't give a fuck what we think. And I. Actually, one of my favorite lines in your substack was when you said it was something along the lines of we told them to go get a decree.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Said they were worthless and there was like about five or so and we did care what you thought. But you lied. You lied and lied and lied. The job of your parents are to educate you and give you the best for when you get into this world to go and attack it. If they lied to you, you're gonna say fuck you. And then, aren't you? I mean, you didn't know what's best for me.

[Peter McCormack]

You, you directed this at me.

[Connor]

The older generation.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah, generally. Do your friends feel like that?

[Connor]

I'm sure they do. I think it goes back to that. It's not what you say, it's what you think. Right? Yeah. When they're leaving uni and can't get a job for shit, have to work in a cafe. Sure. They're not happy about it.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah. And that's why, like, look, that's why the focus has to shift. Look, I'm really lucky. I've got very cool sponsors who support what I do and hopefully continue to support what I do. But you got to break cover at some point, say enough is enough. The amount of private conversations I have with people, people I know work in business, finance, parents who tell me what they think privately but won't say it publicly is a problem. And look, more are becoming, they say, radicalized. That's a funny thing. I saw this tweet yesterday. Somebody said more and more of my friends are becoming radicalized, even those on the left. I don't think you're becoming radicalized. I think you're becoming. I think you're normal and you're having a normal reaction. It's just society said you're not allowed to have that reaction. But I think people are breaking cover. We're breaking. I'm breaking cover. I've already broken cover. Fuck them all. But my singular focus now is all our institutions have lost legitimacy. We all know that. What's going to fill the vacuum? And at the moment it's the Nick Fuentes. And look I'm really intrigued to see his evolution because we need to do something about this. This is kind of Fourth turning stuff. If you haven't read Neil Strauss's Fourth Turning, you should. And there can be positive outcomes and there can be negative outcomes. You can have massive wars or you can have transfers of power. Um, we had that with the glorious revolution in the, in the uk and, and perhaps, perhaps we just need another glorious revolution. Perhaps this is possible. Perhaps what happened in Bulgaria over the weekend is possible here. You know, if we, if enough of us go, we've had enough of this, we're not accepting this anymore, then perhaps, perhaps we can force change. But my singular focus is this, like I send to you about this con. It's about the kids, man. No, but in truth, your job as a parent is to steward the world so they inherit something better than you, than you had. And this is definitely your generation. Khan isn't. We've not we. And when I say we, it's a collective we for all the people of my generation or older generations. I say we are. You're going to inherit a worse world than we did. Less opportunity, a financial system that I think is on the brink of collapse. And I don't think that's being hyperbolic, but we have a job for the younger people and it fits into like two camps for me, your own kids, Are you helping them be set up for life with the knowledge transfer that you give to them and maybe financially helping them when they want to buy a house? Can you help them with a deposit? Are you preparing them for life, but also the entire younger generation? Are we building a better world from them? Will they inherit something better from us? At the moment, that is a absolute unconditional no. We are increasing the debt, reducing the opportunity, inflating the assets. We are making. We are, we are building a better world for us, which basically we're doing short termism, we're going for short term goals, short term pain avoidance for us and making the kids pay. We are deferring that. We're deferring consent. And that is wrong. And when you, I think when you come to that realization is that every decision I should make should be more pain for me and less for my kids. Then you realize you can't accept this anymore. You can't accept this system as it is. You've got to do something different. So I'm withdrawing my consent and look on my own. That means nothing. Just means nothing. I'm just saying I don't consent anymore. And what Pete fucking What you've got to put up with it. But if enough of us, if enough of us come together and say we withdraw our consent, we're not going to legitimize this broken system that punishes the youth anymore, then we can see change.

[Connor]

And that, and it's not sided, is it?

[Peter McCormack]

So there's like a, there's a more profound point in this. Is that real? I think I've talked about it before, but that realization, the rise of reform and the rise of the Greens are the same movement. It's, it's that broken trust in the system. My whole life was like labor and conservatives. If you're a conservative person, you vote for conservatives. If you were more progressive or, you know, liberal, you would vote for Labor. If, if you were, you know, maybe more economics and business minded, you voted for conservatives, you're more working class minded, you voted for Labor. That was just like the traditional left right battle that I didn't pay too much attention to when I was a lot younger. But conservatives completely and utterly failed this country. They know it, we know it. They were not a conservative party. And the rise of reform has been a reflection of their complete and absolute failure. And that goes pretty much everyone since Thatcher. John Major, nice guy, didn't do too much. But your Camerons, your Theresa Mays, your Boris Johnson's, they all failed. They weren't conservatives. And so you get to a point, if you're a conservative, you're like, you don't stand for anything I stand for anymore. Along comes reform with traditional conservative values and the whole voter base moves to them. But the rise of the Greens, the recent rise of the Greens, it's the same thing. Yeah, it's a bunch of people from the left who voted for a Labour Party who have been nothing like a traditional Labour Party. They're not left wings. I mean, it's a stretch to say they're even centrist. They're certainly center right and they all feel let down and they're all moving to the Greens. But I think it's the same problem. It's not. It's a collapse in institutional trust. It's a collapse in trust in the state, it's a collapse in the faith in the state. But I'm not playing this anymore because I don't think either of these parties will change anything. It doesn't matter who wins the next election. We're going to get the same because of the incentives, because we do not have a limitation on power.

[Connor]

This is what you said in one of your articles. You Compared Nick to Zach.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah.

[Connor]

And a lot of people didn't under. They didn't get it.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah. I said, zach Polanski is our Nick Fuentes. We were like, what do you want about, you know, Zach Polanski's pro immigration. Nick Fuentes is, you know, anti immigration. I was like, it's not what that is. What it is is there is a group of young people who are looking for hope. They're looking for someone to tell them a story which fits in the world that they live in now. And if the young people do not trust the institutions, you have the right wing, illiberal Nick Fuentes version. We have the left wing, progressive Zach Polanski version, but it is a group of people who have no faith in the institutions. One is fuck you, and one is be kind. But it's the same thing. Bring up that Grace Blakely article. So this, this is what's really, really interesting. So I wasn't aware of her until Zach Polanski did his interview with Rory Stewart and the War Criminal where they asked him who his economic inspiration was. And he listed off three or four people. Economists who aren't economists, they're activists. But by the by. And one of them he mentioned was Grace Blake. Is it Blakely or. Yeah, Blakely tried to reach out to her, offered her an interview. She wasn't interested. Well, she didn't even reply. Maybe she didn't see it. But anyway, by the by, she. So funny. She came out and tweeted, yeah, I'm not an economist, I'm a Marxist. I was like, huh? And then I'm reading one of her articles. I was like, I. You're saying the same stuff as me, so I'm going to read some bits. But she calls it Generation Despair. I mean, that's. That's exactly what we're talking about essentially, in this show, right? Like, okay, so work doesn't pay, housing is out of reach, and life has been. Why should young people keep propping up a system rigged against them? And look, it's very obvious I will have different solutions to Grace, but. And it kind of is also in line with that. You can draw a line from my article to Grace Blakely's article, to Nick Fuentes, to Mike Green. Mike Green went on the podcast this week, and you should go and read his three articles about this. We're all kind of saying the same thing, right? Yeah, let's read a couple of bits. Okay.

[Connor]

It's pissed off.

[Peter McCormack]

I mean, it's this. It is. Why should young people keep propping up a system rigged against them. So she says for decades, capitalism in Britain has survived on the basis of an implicit intergenerational bargain. Work hard, keep your head down and eventually you'll be rewarded with a decent standard of living. That bargain has collapsed and young people know it. I mean, that's basically what I said, right? Go to college, get your degree, you can buy a house. Young people today can see very clearly that no matter how hard they work, they will never live the comfortable lives their parents took for granted. The ladder has been kicked away its rungs. A solid welfare state, strong workers rights and a functional housing market have snapped. We differ slightly there, but again, I mean, I think I mentioned the ladder being kicked away. Our political class, most of whom grew up in the world where these things were taken for granted, refuse to acknowledge what a mess our economy has become for young people. Rather than fixing the problems they're facing, labourers instead lecturing young people about the value of work. Okay, so those first three paragraphs, how different is that?

[Connor]

Not very different.

[Peter McCormack]

It's the same. Right, Keep going. There's some other bits you can skip that bit. Keep going, keep going. Okay. Is it any wonder that support for labour has collapsed amongst young people? Well, that's what we said, but the issue goes deep in the Starmer's unpopularity. The problem is the young people don't have any reason to participate in an economy that's rigged against them. And labour is too busy listening to the City and the CBI to do anything about it. We can keep going on what else. You say work no longer pays but wealth does. I mean, we've said that.

[Connor]

Yeah, you make more of the stuff you have to basically just sit on than you do for actually working.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah, we talked about. We were going to open that pizza restaurant. We were going to open this pizza restaurant. Talked about it. We shut down the idea because it was too risky. And it's much easier just to sit on money and sit on assets and inflation do its trick. I mean we're, again, we're agreeing with that. Look, she's going to have all this stuff about zero hour contracts and.

[Connor]

And that's the difference, right?

[Peter McCormack]

That's.

[Connor]

Well, that's the diagnosis. Is the same diagnosis. The same solution comes back to the Angela McArdle. McArdle. Yeah, interview. Free stuff versus freedom.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah, free to fuck you.

[Connor]

Leave me alone. Care about me. Let's all be care and give me stuff because I'm upset and I need more.

[Peter McCormack]

And Mike Green talked about that with.

[Connor]

The Mandami thing and I actually, the issue is it's cultures again, us is very much more. Fuck you, we got guns, motherfucker. Fuck off. And the UK is like, no, we're civilized, we got to care about each other. And I actually just think the US wins once again.

[Peter McCormack]

Well, yeah, I mean look, scroll down a bit more because that's more. She's in solutions. I don't want to get into solutions. Really. What she says there, the inverse. Scroll back up. The inverse of all this worker exploitation is of course extraordinary profits for those at the top. She's totally right. Okay, the property ladder snapped in half. But it's not just that work doesn't pay and workers rights have been curtailed. Even if you do earn what would once have been considered a good wage, it's not enough to purchase the basic things you need to survive. For many it's not even enough to keep a roof over over the heads. Goes back to the math that we did. £39,000 that you need to earn pre tax to be able to move out, rent a shitty flat like the worst place in Bedford and be able to afford to have a kid if you want that to to kid middle class lifestyle. 65,000 pound. All right, keep going. Reeves and Starmer's generation benefited from cheap credit and a giant global housing bubble that ensured homeowners saw the value of their properties double or even triple over the course of their work and lives. I mean that's. We can get into solutions on why the whole renters rights thing will work against that. Most young people are forced to choose between paying half of their salary to a dodgy landlord for the pleasure of sharing a dingy property with several other people or continuing to live with their parents. I mean, I understand why you live with your parents. You got disposable income, right?

[Connor]

Yeah. It's all the same. It's all the same.

[Peter McCormack]

Especially when you don't pay your rent.

[Connor]

It's all the same.

[Peter McCormack]

Yeah. And then this. The end shittification of everyday life. If low pay and insecure housing weren't enough, the basic fabric of life in the UK has been systematically degraded. Our in real life lives have been subjected to the same process that's degraded our experience online. End Shittification. Austerity utterly broke the fabric that held us together as society. Well, okay. Public services are struggling to meet demand. Fact. Councils are going bankrupt. Fact. Youth centers, libraries and community hubs. Community hubs. The places where young people once built network skills and friendships have been shut down. Fact. The post pandemic Post pandemic inflationary crisis was the nail in the coffin for the livability in the uk. With the cost of living so high, some people are working so hard they don't have the time for hobbies they used to enjoy together, while others simply can't afford to go out at all. Even accessing nature increasingly requires a car and entry fee. Fact. Yeah, right. I mean, maybe, maybe Grace Blakely is the Marxist British Nick Fuentes, because look what she's saying. Add all these factors up and it becomes much easier to see why young people aren't working as much as their parents did. Economic participation has become a trap, leaving people stuck between low pay, astronomical housing costs, collapse in public services and the disappearance of meaningful social connection. And this trap is driving a deeper crisis of despair so deep it's shaping the reshaping the labor market. I mean, keep going. Look, it's just the same, same, same, same, same. Is there a conclusion? Okay, here we go. Asking these questions does not make you laser or irresponsible. Totally true. Asking these questions is a rational response to an economy that does not work in your interests. Absolutely true. Here we go. A political class that responds to the crisis of despair with derision or blame does not merit the support of young people. Fact. I mean, that's basically that same line. Whereas young people, we want young people to respect us for a system we've created that they have nothing to gain from. So if they've got no skin in the game, why should they care? Unless Labour can offer a compelling answer to the question, what do I have to be hopeful for? They don't deserve to govern. Thankfully, with Zach Polanski leading the Green Party, there's finally another option. And young people have been first to take it. And see, this is the problem. The solution is wrong. Zach Polanski is not going to fix this because it's a system problem. Zach Polanski's Economics. I think there's a think tank now that Gary Economics and James Medway are being involved in, which is. Yeah, I think it comes from a good place, but it's. But it's all socialist bullshit. And so.

[Connor]

But it's not just socialist bullshit. Reform won't fix this either.

[Peter McCormack]

No, I don't think anyone can.

[Connor]

Conservatives on a comeback. Well, they won't fix it, I think.

[Peter McCormack]

I think all these people think that they can fix this by winning power and changing policy. And I think it's the. I think it's the wrong approach. Oh, it's the wrong approach for me. Like we, we have we have a problem for our children. We need to create a world. What they inherit that's better. It's not going to happen under the infrastructure that has decayed our country and other western liberal democracies for decades. I mean, I think our problems and America's problems are similar. And I think they're similar in France and in Germany, in most western liberal democracies. And we now have to, we have to question why that has happened and what we can do to reverse course. And if every single time we elect a new party, nothing changes, perhaps the system, Perhaps there's a problem with the system.

[Connor]

Yeah. That's not the answer.

[Peter McCormack]

No, I mean, I put out a tweet earlier. If you were deliberately designing a system to hollow out the next generation, it would look exactly like this. Exactly like this. And if we continue to raise taxes, borrow more, decay our society, we are going to have a generation of young people who are either leaving the country or unwilling to participate. And if that happens, we failed morally. We've completely and utterly failed morally. And we're, we're leaving them a world to inherit that has nothing in it for them. So like I, for me, I'm like, fuck this, I'm not playing this game anymore. And this isn't me disengaging. This is me. This is me wanting to focus and say, okay, if the machinery is wrong, how do we fix the machinery? This is all non. This isn't policy. And so I think we have to build a God, this sounds so hippie, a cultural revolution, but I think we have to do. We have to build a cultural revolution where people accept that the system itself is broken. That's a hard sell. You've got to get enough people from the left and the right to sit and agree that the problem is the plumbing. The problem is the architecture of our country, the architecture of our Democracy that allows 650 people within Westminster to continually do really shitty things without limitation that damage our country and the future of this country. And so that's my focus now. I'm not doing this. I'm not, not playing this game anymore. I'm not fighting about policy. I'm not fighting from a right wing position because I'm a conservative. I'm fighting from a neutral. Like my hand is out to anyone from the left. I'll argue with you over your, I will argue with you over your ideas and your solutions because I think they're wrong. But it doesn't matter. What I want to do is still meet you in the middle and say what do we agree on. Can we agree that unconstrained power is dangerous? Can we agree that the failure in this country for the last three or four decades is unconstrained power? Like, I think a lot, you know, I went on this little AI rabbit hole. Well, I was looking at the Bulgarian Revolution. I was like, how do I start a revolution in the UK that brings down the government? But really interesting. That's what took me to the Glorious revolution. That's where I was learning about William of Orange and what happened and went down this rabbit hole of like, okay, if we wanted to constrain power, how would you do it? Do we need a new Bill of Rights? Do we need a constitution? And I looked. What was really interesting was digging into the US Constitution. Cause people say, oh, we have a constitution in the uk and then you realize it's not like a hard limits constitution like they have in the US whereby judges can challenge them and you can sue the government. It's. Trust me, bro, it relies on gentlemen being gentlemen. In the uk we'd be good old chaps and we respect these words and traditions. Sure, that might have worked hundreds of years ago. It's not working now. We don't have the very best people in this country sat in Westminster making decisions. We have student politicians and human rights lawyers and union masters. And we have people who are so desperate to retain power they will do anything. And that good old chap be a good old chap. That doesn't work anymore. We know it doesn't work. We've had decades of decay. We are drowning in debt. We have a disenfranchised, disenfranchised youth who just don't care anymore. So look, this is my commitment now. I am laser focused. This is all you're going to hear me talk about now is limitations on power. I'm not back in reform. I'm not back in Conservatives. I'm not backing labor, not back in Lib Dems. I'm not backing back. I'm not. I'm obviously not back in Greens. I am backing the people of this country. I am backing the idea that the electorate know better than Westminster. I am backing the idea that the worst people in this country are the 650 people in Westminster. They're, they're the root of all these problems. They've caused all this shit. I'm backing up the people of this country, which means I'm back in constraining our government. I'm backing the idea that we need new limitations. And I will put every bit of pressure I can do on this show on Twitter to just say, we need constraint, because the incentives are set up for the people in Westminster to focus on power rather than the electorate. And so that's where I'm at. That's all you're gonna hear me talk about. And I look, I challenge anyone who's like, nah, Pete, you got this wrong. We need government. Government's good for us. Tell me what they've done. Tell me in the last 30 years, one thing that's got better in this country. And if you, if you pull out a bit of magic and you find that one thing, find me five things you won't ask me what's got worse. I can tell you really easy. The NHS has got worse, our roads have got worse, our borders have got worse, our education system has got worse, our public finances have worse, pensions don't work, stagnant growth, wages aren't keeping up with inflation. People can't afford to get on the housing ladder. It's really easy to list everything that's got worse. And everything's got worse downstream of. Of government. So if you're against this, if you're like, no, Pete, we need government, tell me, debate me, come write to me, drop me an email, drop me a tweet, tell me what has got better under government in the last 30 years. And if you, if you can't, and you accept that we are leaving a world for our kids, they're going to inherit something worse. Tell me why you, if you're my age, similar age, tell me why you aren't laser focused on solving that. And look, we won't like what that means because that means we've got to pay back our debts. That means we're going to have to do more for less, which means we're going to have to, as the adults in the room, go through a bit of pain, but we're doing it to create a better future for our kids, tell me why. Give me one good reason why we shouldn't be doing that. And if you're. I don't care if you're politician, you're a judge or you're a journalist. If you can't give me a good answer, you are just a selfish. You are basically saying, no, I want this rotting system because it's better for me and the kids, the youth. But if you want that better thing, you bet, better world for our kids, you have to do this. You have to be like me and go, okay, we got to change this. Yeah, that's it. I don't have. I don't have nothing else to say, Con. That's it. I'm. I'm angry. I'm so angry that we've got to this point. Yeah. Anything to. You want to close out? Anything, boy.

[Connor]

All right, Griper, I think you're the grouper now.

[Peter McCormack]

I'm the grouper, yeah. Do you know what this interesting. I'd like to interview Nick Fuentes. I think I'll take it. Do you know what we didn't do? I didn't talk about. Let's just close out on this because I think a lot of people are going to discover Nick Fuentes. They maybe watch the Piers Morgan one. They should also watch Nick Patrick David interview him because bring up that clip.

[Patrick Bet David]

And again, feel free to push back. I'm comfortable with it. You're 27. You're no longer 18.

[Connor]

True.

[Patrick Bet David]

So when you go a week ago and you're like, you don't need to do it. Here's why you don't need to do it. Drop in the N word. Some of the words that you drop. I don't mind the F word, you know, and all this stuff. I drop it all the time. I try not to drop it on camera, but I'm also not sitting here telling you I walk on water and I say that. I say all the words. And I listen to hardcore hip hop. I listen to a lot of hardcore hip hop. Growing up. That was my taste of music. I don't know if it was yours. It was for me. For a person who knows how to communicate as well as you do, when you use those words, you get an average person to question your intelligence. And you don't need to do that. You're above that. You're so talented. Why go there now? If you tell me, Pat, I'm just doing it because I don't want anybody like you to tell me that I can shut up because I've gone through.

[Peter McCormack]

Fair. Fine.

[Patrick Bet David]

You want to do that? I would just say I want to show you something. Right. Can you pull up? Have you ever read the book?

[Peter McCormack]

Oh, you refers to this book? I think Power versus Force or Force versus Power. I literally downloaded it on Audible afterwards. The difference between that interview and the Piers Morgan interview is striking. If you watch them back to back, you realize, like, PBD is the adult in the room here. He didn't go out there for gotchas and try and create clips whereby everyone would. I mean, maybe this is what. Maybe Piers is just playing the game. Maybe he wants the downloads and the awareness and everyone to be talking about because they have. And even if they think he's a Burke, he's still got everyone talking about it. But that means he is still part of the kind of machinery and the regime where everything decays. What PBD did was he respected him in the interview. He listened to him. He spent time understanding his background, where it got to, where he may be going. And then by the time of this clip, he kind of gave him just a bit of advice. And at the time he gave the advice, you will see if you watch it, Nick was listening. You could see Nick, his body language in the chair. He was listening. He respected it. He understood that he has a role to play. He understood the responsibility. I mean, like, he might have gone straight back out afterwards and made another show shouting at the Jews, but he. He respected him. And all Piers Morgan did was the opposite. He tried to get gotchas. And so we lost Nick. And I think that's one of the really important things, is like we. We kind of have to be the adults in the room now, and we shouldn't expect. Thanks. You know, we should expect the finger to be pointed at us. I should expect for the groipers to call someone like me a retard. It is what it is. But we still gotta be the adults in the room. We're still out there in charge of a lot of this, and we gotta fix it. And so I like big shout out to Patrick bet David for that because I thought it was fascinating.

[Connor]

I still don't think he gets it.

[Peter McCormack]

Maybe not, but he gets it more than Pierce.

[Connor]

Nick's not saying those words. He's not saying those things because I genuinely don't think he actually believes them. Is marketing. It's marketing. And he's trying to push. He's trying to push it so far this way that all this becomes a little bit more acceptable.

[Peter McCormack]

Sure. But. But the age and wisdom of a Patrick bet David is to go, look, there are other people who might see these words or use these words and not understand your context or not understand what you're doing. And that might cause problems.

[Connor]

And then ultimately the age and wisdom is also what got us here.

[Peter McCormack]

I know fair.

[Connor]

And maybe you do need to wreck and ball it all just to get a few inches back into reality.

[Peter McCormack]

That's a totally fair point. And I can't argue back. All I would say is, I think what it's just like the age and wisdom of pbd. I think he's trying to say is, look, you can do so much more now, can you?

[Connor]

Is what he's actually achieved and accomplished so far through being this complete wrecking ball.

[Peter McCormack]

Sure, sure, eventually. But a wrecking ball can, can lose momentum. You know, you can, you can, they.

[Connor]

Can, they can get killed very quickly.

[Peter McCormack]

Well, they can get, they can get killed, but also like people can get bored of it as well, you know, Eminem now isn't Eminem, who released the Eminem show and the Marshall Mathers lp and, and now he's just, he's an incredible rapper, but he's a 50 year old dude with, with a beard. Now rapping is not the same. And eventually Nick Fuentes, if he's 45 years old and talking like that, he is not going to work. So there's a maturity that I think will come with Nick and, and it depends where he wants to go with it all. But I don't know, I thought I. Of all the interviews I saw, I thought that was the best one. I thought that was interesting. Anyway, thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. Got any feedback? Drop me a dm. Am I meant to say hit the subscribe. Hit the subscribe button. No, I'm such a, such a boomer. But yeah, thanks. Go check out my substack. Go read the article, send me your feedback. Let me know if you enjoy these. Have a great week and I will see you all soon. Peace out.