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Fake Jobs, Fake Assets, Fake Victory — Nothing in This Economy Is Real
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You make no friends in the pits and you take no prisoners.
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One minute, you're up half a million
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in soybeans, and the next, boom. Your kids don't go to college and
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Are you with me? The revolution starts now. Starts now. We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it. Turn those machines back on. You are about to enter the Peter Schiff Show Me the Money. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. The Peter Schiff show is on. I don't know when they decided that they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness. Your money, your stories, your freedom. The Peter Schiff Show. Well, some of you, some of you may have been expecting the shift Gold Friday market wrap today, as I indicated last week, but I didn't have time to do any regular podcasts this week. This is the first one I'm doing, so this is it. But I am going to cover gold and silver during this podcast, so don't worry. If that's what you care about, it's coming. But first, I want to talk about the jobs report. We get the jobs report typically the first Friday of every month. This time it's the second Friday because I think the first Friday was May 1, and this is the eighth. But we got the April jobs numbers, and once again, we got a beat. Now, surprisingly, we didn't get much of a downward revision to the prior month. In fact, the prior month was actually revised up a bit, from 178,000 to 185,000. But I think the month before that was revised down. So the net revisions were a negative, but not a big negative. But the expectation for the April jobs number was 63,000 jobs. That's a low bar. That's not a lot of jobs, especially for an economy the size of the United States. And we actually ended up creating 115,000 jobs. And the range of expectations was pretty large. It went from 0 unchanged to 150,000. So, you know, we came out, you know, towards the upper end, not quite, but above, you know, Midway would have been like 75,000 jobs. So we were closer to the high end than the low end. But that is the story that's getting told. It's another beat. The numbers beat. This economy is strong. It's stronger than we thought. Look, more jobs than expected were created, even if we didn't expect a lot of jobs, because 115,000 jobs is nothing to brag about. This is not a good number, but of course it's not even an honest number. The whole thing is a lie. And I'll start to unpack that after I go through some more of the numbers here from the official report. The official unemployment rate held steady at 4.3%. Private payrolls increased 123,000. So that was actually more than total, which means government payrolls must have declined a bit, which is actually some good news. But the problem is most of the jobs that were created, even though they're not officially government jobs, they're kind of like government jobs. They're in healthcare and education. And so these are government jobs. I mean, obviously in many cases, if it's a public school, they're government jobs, you know, but, you know, a lot of these healthcare jobs relate to government spending on healthcare. And that was, you know, the majority of the jobs or the biggest categories were healthcare and education. We actually lost jobs even officially in information technology and manufacturing and information technology. There are a lot of jobs, I forget the number, but a lot of big tech companies were laying off a lot of people. Now a lot of this is attributed to AI doing their work. And so, you know, they're, they're able to reduce the headcount, but the jobs that are being lost in manufacturing and in technology and information are higher paying jobs than the ones that are being added in healthcare, education. And then of course, you always got leisure and hospitality is always a big number there. But we lost 2,000 manufacturing jobs. The labor force participation rate slipped to 61.8%. That is a low number. That's the lowest rate in what, about four years? I posted something about that on X this morning. Let me see. I'm just gonna scroll, look at my old posts so I can see what I wrote there. Because I forget when the last time the labor force participation was that low. October 2021. So I mean, that's bad news that more and more people are leaving the labor force. That is the main reason that the unemployment rate is so low. Remember, you have to be in the labor force to be considered unemployed. Clearly, if you're not in the labor force, you don't have a job. But that doesn't render you officially unemployed. And so that is the real secret to our low unemployment rate is that so many unemployed people don't count. Plus, of course, we also count underemployed people, people working part time who want to work full time. Even if you just work an hour a day driving an Uber, you're not unemployed anymore. Even if you spend the rest of the week looking for an actual job, you're not counted. I mean, there's so many ways now for people to pick up a little money on, you know, you could drive, you know, on in their spare time through these apps that it's very hard for somebody to be truly unemployed, even though they are unemployed. Average hourly earnings up less than expected, 3.6% year over year. Prices are up a lot more than 3.6% year over year. So real wages are down. Now, the CPI may have a year over year price increase of pretty similar to that, but we know the CPI doesn't really capture what's going on in prices. Prices are up a lot more than 3.6% year over year. So real wages are falling. And that is more indication of how weak this labor market is because workers are not able to negotiate real pay raises. They're having to accept real declines in their wages because they don't have the leverage to get better jobs. But where you want to see the true weakness is to look beyond the establishment survey and look at the household survey. Because every week, or every month rather, when we get these jobs numbers, you get two looks at it. You get the establishment, and then you get the household. I mean, they're both looking at the same data, and in some cases they're coming to complete opposite conclusions. First of all, before I even get to the household, even in the establishment survey, it acknowledges that of the 115,000 jobs that were created supposedly in April, 391,000 jobs came from the birth death model. That's like three times the number of jobs that were actually created. Which means if they didn't have a birth death model, we would have lost a couple hundred thousand jobs. And maybe we did lose a couple hundred thousand jobs in April, because the birth death model jobs are not real. They're guesses. And what we know from prior guesses is that they guessed too high. The main reason we had the massive revisions during the Biden years was going back and looking at these birth death models and adjusting them to reality because the numbers were pure fantasy. And so it's very likely that the April jobs that we got, the March jobs that we got, we didn't get any of them. It's very possible that at the end of the year and next year they're gonna go back and say, you know what, none of these jobs were actually created because the birth death model was wrong. In fact, maybe instead of companies being born, they died. Maybe in reality, that should be a negative Number because it reflects the bias of the statisticians if they think the economy is great. After all, Donald Trump is out there saying, we got the greatest economy in the history of the world. Well, if that's true, we must be creating all these new companies, even though the reality is a lot of companies are going out of business right now. And so I think that the birth death model is overestimating the birth of new companies and underestimating the death of existing companies. And you could take all these numbers with a grain of salt. They are all politically motivated. And remember, you know, Trump fired somebody. I forget what her name was. When the numbers came out bad, somebody lost their job. So, you know, there's a lot of pressure not to have bad numbers if you want to keep your job. Right. So who. I don't know why anybody pays attention to this stuff. But anyway, so let me look at the household survey. So according to the household survey, in April, the actual number of jobs declined. Declined by 226,000. So the establishment survey says we gained 115,000 jobs. That one gets all the headlines. But the other survey says we lost 226,000. No one really talks about that. But who's to say which one is right? I mean, my money would be on the household survey. Just, you know, it just smells like a better number given what you observe. According to that survey, net jobs have now declined every month of 2026. Every single month. So all the positive jobs numbers are actually negative. And the average decline per month, this is not the total for the four months. The average number of jobs that have gone away in each month is 343,000 jobs. That is a huge number according to the household household survey. So according to that survey, we now have the fewest number of workers in America since December 2024. Think about that. That was, you know, before Donald Trump, you know, he became president in January 2025. So we have had no increase in jobs in employment during the entirety of the Trump presidency. According to the household survey. Now the establishment survey, looking at the supposed same labor market, according to that survey, the number of employed people is at a new all time record high. So I mean, how could that be? I mean, one of these surveys is wrong and one is right. My money is on the household survey because all of the publicity and all the political attention is on the establishment survey, which means that one is probably the wrong one. Also, what we learned from this survey is that in April, the number of full time jobs collapsed by 424,000. Part time jobs surged by 123,000. 120? Yeah, 123,000. So that is a big deal. And it's also a problem because full time jobs pay a lot more than part time jobs. They usually have benefits that part time jobs don't have. And in fact, a lot of the people that have those part time jobs may be looking for a full time job, but they're not counted as unemployed anymore because they got a part time job. So anyway, and the drop in full time jobs that we just got dragged the total number of full time workers again to the lowest since December 2024. So no net full time jobs have been created since Trump's been President all of 2025 and four months of 2026, and not a single new full time job has been created in supposedly the greatest economic boom in the history of the world. And according to Trump, before he was president, it was the worst economy ever. We were a dead economy. We were cold as ice. Now we're the hottest economy in the world. We're the envy of the world. It's the greatest economic turnaround in the history of the United States, yet we haven't created any full time jobs during this so called boom. Obviously, this boom is in the imagination of Donald Trump. That's where it exists. It doesn't exist in reality. And again, Trump may not necessarily be imagining it. This is just Trump being Trump, because whatever Trump is trying to sell, whatever product he's got to sell is the greatest, is the best. And so when he's president, he's constantly trying to sell us on himself because he needs popularity. He needs, you know, the poll numbers. And so he is constantly talking up the economy, exaggerating his successes, exaggerating the strength of the economy, just like he exaggerated the greatness of Trump's stakes or whatever else he was promoting when he was in the private sector. And I think the same delusion that we get in the economy, the same thing is gonna happen with the war. It's gonna be no different. And in fact, a lot of the peace talks that we've had this week, and now there's peace plan that has been submitted to the Iranians, we're waiting for them to get back, I guess, but there's a lot of optimism that's driving the markets. I'm gonna talk about the markets on the other side of this break, but also gonna talk a little bit about the war and how it's likely to end. So stick around. We are coming right back. 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Odoo.comr Peter well, everything was up pretty much this week except for oil and the dollar. Both fell. Oil fell a lot more than the dollar. Dollar just slipped a bit. But the news that was driving the markets, other than the continuation of the AI bubble, and I'll talk about that a bit too, today was the optimism of the war coming to an end. And we got a big rally earlier in the week when there was news from the president that the Iranians, you know, were likely to accept some peace plan that we had offered and, and, and that the war was ending and everything was going to open up and everything was going to be great and we got a drop in oil prices and a rally in, in the market. Now, first of all, given the Fact that the stock markets are at new record highs. Save the Dow. Right. I'll look at some of these numbers. So the dow was up 0.6% on the week. It actually finished south of 50,000, but, you know, still up 0.6% on the Week. The S&P rose 2.5% on the week, hitting new record highs. Nasdaq up four and a half percent on the week, new record highs. And the Russell 2000 up 1.8% on the week, new record highs for the Nasdaq. Obviously, the biggest drivers are the tech stocks, which are more heavily represented in the Nasdaq, and then also, to a lesser degree, the S and P than in the Dow or the Russell 2000. But the markets were very strong. I think the markets have already priced in victory that we won the war, but not just that we won it. Because obviously if you're just gonna count up the number of planes that were destroyed and ships that were sunk and people that were killed, right. If you're gonna tally up all that stuff, right. Obviously we were gonna win the war, if that's how you're keeping score. Right. But the markets are looking beyond just the end of the war, but they're looking for a collapse in oil prices, a drop in bond yields. Everything's back to normal, everything is great. And so I think the markets have already priced in the most optimistic of scenarios with respect to the war. So we're priced for perfection that we are not going to achieve. Who knows if the war is actually over? But even if it is over, we are not going to get the big drop in oil prices or bond yields that stock investors obviously think are coming. And in fact, oil did drop quite a bit, but it closed just below $95 a barrel. I mean, if the war is pretty much all over, you know, we're still paying almost $100 a barrel for oil. And even if you look out, I don't have all the charts in front of me, but if you look out a year or two later, you know, oil is not trading back in the, in the upper 50s or lower 60s where it was before the war. We're not going back down there. Doesn't matter. Even if the war is over, which it may not be, and of course, even if it ends, who knows how long the peace is going to last? It could restart and at any moment. I mean, a lot of people thought that Donald Trump was the peace president. He didn't wanna start wars. Well, now he's started one, he may start another, he may Resume this one? Who the hell knows? So we don't have any kind of peace dividend. I think we have a war premium that's gonna be built into the oil price for a long time. The bond market's got another set of issues that I'm going to get to, which is why bond yields are going up regardless of the war. Stock investors haven't clued into that yet. But stocks are an accident waiting to happen there. You know, that doesn't mean they're going to go down tomorrow, but they're going to go down. And there's no question that the main driver is AI and AI spending. And it's the AI spending that's driving the gdp, right? Take that out and you know you're in a recession and we may be one anyway. Just the numbers are already so low. And again, I'm not somebody who dismisses the significance of artificial intelligence. I mean, I think it has more potential really than anything that I've seen. And I think it is going to be a major benefit long term, very transformative, very impactful to the world. And I think it's something like. Even if you look at a lot of the science fiction movies that are two or three hundred years in the future, I don't even think they incorporate the potential that we've already discovered in artificial intelligence into the way they portray life two or three hundred years from now. I think it could actually be a lot better than they think because of AI. But in the next several years, it's not going to have as big an impact as a lot of the AI hypers would have investors believe. And regardless, the stocks that are considered these AI hyperscalers or whatever, whether they're public or still private, they're not worth anywhere near the market caps. They're not going to be able to earn money off of the AI to the extent that they think they're going to be able to. It's going to evolve, it's going to be far more competitive. And so yes, we're going to be able to utilize AI, but we're going to utilize it in a way that is not going to enrich the these companies to the degree to which people assume and based on the amount of money that they're spending, because you know, other companies are going to come in and they wouldn't have had to spend all that money yet. They're still going to be in a position to compete. I think this nuclear arms race to build out these data centers and buy all this equipment is a massive bubble the same thing you had with the dot com bubble and all the equipment that everybody was buying from Cisco Systems. You know, it was all just a bubble. Now, yes, the Internet was not a bubble. It was very transformative. I believe AI can be more transformative than the Internet, but that doesn't mean that there's not a bubble in the stocks, just like there was a bubble in dotcom stocks. Most of them went to zero. Yes, you could point to Amazon as a big success that came out of that. But, you know, I mean, it was touch and go for a while. I mean, initially Amazon was just a bookstore. And if Amazon was still a bookstore, it probably would have gone out of business. I mean, Jeff Bezos did a fantastic job in transforming Bezos to build the company that he built. You know, recently, you know, I was on X, you know, Bernie Sanders was like all upset that Jeff Bezos was laying off some Amazon workers. I forget how many workers were being laid off. I mean, 10,000, 50, whatever. I mean, it doesn't make a difference. Amazon has one and a half million workers, right? So they're going to lay off somebody. But Bernie Sanders was critical of Jeff Bezos for the layoffs. And he said, how dare Jeff Bezos buy a yacht, buy a penthouse, and spend all this money while he's laying off workers. Right? This is horrible. Capitalist. Laying off workers while you're, you know, buying yachts for yourself. Well, first of all, sure, he's laying off some workers, but net he's employing one and a half million people. Why don't you give him credit for the jobs he still provides rather than the few that he has to cut back on in order to keep the business viable? I mean, all businessmen have to keep their costs down to, to stay competitive, to stay in business. And the people they lay off help make sure that the other people don't lose their jobs. Right? Because if a businessman takes his eye off the ball and doesn't trim the fat out of the payroll and becomes at a competitive disadvantage, the business could fail and everybody could lose their jobs. So you get rid of the workers that you don't need. And if you don't need them, why waste their labor, Free them up to do something else. Yes, it's a little disruptive to somebody who gets made redundant at one job. And now they've got to figure out where they can go, where their labor is actually contributing. Because if the employer decides that your labor is not needed, then why waste it? Your labor is a scarce resource. Put it to use someplace else. The Entrepreneur is doing what he's supposed to do by laying off workers that he does not need, that are not net contributors to the bottom line because they're not helping to keep prices down and quality up. And so they can go someplace else where their labor will add value rather than subtract it. But the point I was making with Bernie Sanders is while you're criticizing Jeff Bezos buying himself a yacht because he's laying off some workers, how many workers does Bernie Sanders employ? I mean, he doesn't employ any. I mean, he gets workers on staff, you know, because he's a senator, but he doesn't employ those workers. We employ those workers. We pay for them, the taxpayers. He hasn't started any businesses, he hasn't created any private sector jobs. So layoff of Jeff Bezos created more jobs than probably anybody in the whole country. He's earned that yacht. Don't begrudge Jeff Bezos or any entrepreneur who has delivered so much value. To the extent that you make enough money that you can spend hundreds of million dollars on a yacht, you will have delivered an extreme amount of value to society so that you are able to earn enough money to buy that yacht. And in general, billionaires have contributed so much more to society than the billions that they have, because it's always a small percentage of the cumulative gains that all of their customers. Because in order to become a billionaire, you have to have a lot of customers and you have to make a lot of customers lives better, and their lives collectively are improved more than your life. But yes, you get rewarded. And thank God, because those big rewards are why people work. You know, how hard this guy worked, you know, for the first 10, 20 years, I mean, he worked like a madman. I mean, the guy lived, you know, in the office and, you know, he sacrificed a lot and under consumed. And that's the case with all successful people. They sacrifice, they take risks, they put it all on a line and they need to get a reward. And you got guys, socialists, that don't understand how capitalism works, just trying to vilify these guys and pointing to the jobs that are cut and ignoring all the jobs that are lost. And that's how when they say, oh, these guys, you know, they're not paying their fair share of taxes, what's their fair share? Maybe they pay more taxes than a thousand people combined. I mean, the people who aren't paying their fair share are on welfare, they're on food stamps. You never see a politician say, hey, the people on welfare, the people on food stamps, you Guys aren't paying your fair share of taxes. Cuz they're not because they're basically paying nothing. Why don't they get off their asses and go get a job, right? We never criticize the people living off the system. We never say they're not doing enough when they're doing nothing. We focus on the guys that are doing the most, that are paying the most, that work the hardest and then say, hey, you guys aren't contributing enough. You guys aren't paying your fair share. You're right. They're not paying their fair share. They're paying way more than their fair share. If we want to make the billionaires pay their fair share, we got to give them a tax cut, not a tax hike. You hear that man? Dami. Anyway, we got another commercial break. I'm going to keep going over these numbers and we'll talk about the debt. The debt and all the efforts to dismiss the significance of the debt after this break. Look, most people know they need to lose weight. They've known it for years. But knowing something and actually doing something about it are two very different things. Here's what I've noticed. 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I mean, I think copper is going to trade where silver used to trade. Copper's gonna be the new silver. So, you know, I'm very bullish on copper. In fact, year to date, Copper's up over 30%. Think about that. 30%. Silver's up 11% year to date. That's not bad. Even with the big drop In March, gold's up 9% so far this year. That actually beats the S and P which is up 8%. The Dow's only up 2.5% so far this year. Four months in 2.5% up on the Dow. The NASDAQ is beating gold and silver up 13%. Russell 2000 actually up 14%. Who'da thunk it? Russell 2000 beating the NASDAQ. But even though the Russell 2000 and the NASDAQ are beating gold and silver, it's not by much. And I think risk adjusted, you're taking a lot more risk in those stocks. For, for my money, I'd rather just be in gold and silver than in the Nasdaq. And of course the Nasdaq's gonna collapse at some point, whereas gold and silver are still early in bull markets. And of course, as I've mentioned many times, I really like the miners. I mean, I like both. Everybody should be buying physical gold and silver. I was pounding the table again last week saying buy, buy, buy. And of course this was a great week to have bought last week. But I would still encourage people to go to Shift gold and buy. In fact, now you can go to the app store and download my app, the Shift Gold app. And you can buy through the app. You can also set up a T gold account and buy your gold and silver there. I think we're going to have more updates ahead for gold and silver, but the mining stocks had good weeks. GDX up 8.8% and the GDXJ up 9.5%. So the biggest winners on the week in the stock market as a Group were the gold mining stocks. Year to date, though, gold and silver mining stocks are not up much. Gdx only up 10.3%. That's barely more than the price of gold and less than the increase in the price of silver. And the GDXJ year to date is up just 11.2%, barely more than the increase in silver. These stocks are still very cheap. And for my money, if you want to be in the market, forget about these tech stocks. Yeah, they may keep going up, but they're going to come crashing down. So it's a game of musical chairs and who knows if you're gonna have a chair when the music stops, which means you've sold. But with the gold and silver stocks, you don't have to worry about getting out because they're not in a bubble. You can hold these stocks for the long run because they're still super cheap in the short run. So that's where you need to look. Look at these gold and silver stocks again. Go to Europack.com website to check out the information on our funds. You in particular, the Gold fund, the Euro Pacific Gold Fund, EPG fx, you know, epgix. Yeah, EPG IX is the no load symbol for, for the Gold fund, which you could buy at any discount broker. What else happened this week? Oil, as I said, went down quite a bit. Down to 95 bucks, but still oil is high. Gas prices are high. They're not coming down. The dollar also weakened, closing below 98 with a 97 handle, I think 97.84. So the dollar now has lost all of its Iran war gains, which were nothing to write home about to begin with. People were making a big deal. Oh, you see, we still have king dollar. The dollar's still the safe haven. It barely rallied. Yes, it rallied, but it wasn't the type of rally that we would have had in, in days past when there was war in the Middle East. And I think again, the bottom is about to drop out of the dollar and that should coincide with a big move up in gold and silver and also maybe new new highs in oil. Even if the war continues to be at a standstill. And by the way, I meant to mention this earlier, but just like with the economy, the war is going to be another Trump fantasy victory. Regardless of how big we lose. This is going to be framed as the greatest military victory in the history of warfare, not just United States, probably going all the way back in time to the Roman days. This is probably the greatest victory that any military genius has ever had. Right. And again, yes, we are going to kill more Iranians than they kill Americans, and we're going to destroy more of their planes and sink more of their ships. But based on the objectives that we laid out, I think we will fail across the board. We are not going to change the regime. It's the same regime. We could claim that it's different people because we killed the other people and now there are new people, but the new people are all the same regime as the old people. And again, I think it could be even more hard line than before. But I think the fact that the regime survived is a huge victory. And I said this when the war broke, I said all Iran has to do to win is survive and stick it out. They just need to go the distance, which it looks like they are going to do. Also, if our objective was to reduce Iran's influence in the Gulf region, I think it backfired. I think they're going to end up more influential than they were before. I think it's America that's going to see its influence in the Gulf diminished as a result of this war. I think our allies will be less aligned with us. We may have fewer bases in the Middle east, and Iran's influence may grow even though it has, you know, not as many, you know, ships or planes. It may have more economic influence, more influence over the Strait, more influence over oil. I think China is gonna be a big winner, Russia's gonna be a big winner. So I think that we are gonna be in a worse position now with respect to nuclear threat. I don't know to what extent that threat was ever real, because I've been hearing the same thing for my entire life about how close Iran is to a nuclear weapon. 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And the problem, the inflation be created to service the debt and the specter of actual default. Because the bigger the debt gets, the higher the likelihood that we will default. We have defaulted before. We defaulted on our commitments to pay gold. Federal Reserve notes were notes, obligations to pay gold. And we defaulted. We paid zero. We promised to pay 35. If you had $35, we promised to give you an ounce of gold. That was the commitment. We defaulted and we gave you no ounces of gold. I mean, we devalued a couple of times and we said, you know what we'll give you now you need $42 to get an ounce of gold. Right. We tried a couple of devaluations, but then we said, oh, forget it, that's not working. We're giving you nothing. Total default. So when push comes to shove, the reason that we had to go off the gold standard is because politicians had a choice. It was either raise taxes, cut spending, or go off the gold standard. And that's what they chose. Well, if we have a debt crisis, we have two choices. Raise taxes, cut spending, or default. Now default has two ways. Inflation. Print a bunch of money, destroy the value of the currency, or just default, preserve the currency and just don't pay what you owe. But the thing is, defaults can be selective. They could be targeted. We could target defaults at foreign creditors. We can first default on people who can't vote in our elections. Right. So these risks are rising around the world. And that's why I mentioned that Hank Paulson, who is instrumental in creating the problem that he's now warning about, having been on the job as treasury secretary during the 2008 financial crisis and the bailouts that really started the QE program that we've been operating. But now Hank Paulson Is like, okay, we're headed for some serious shit here. We need an emergency plan, break the glass plan now. And he's not new to this, but bond king Jeff Gundlach recently is now warning again to get out of bonds to have short term Treasuries, right? Don't be fooled into thinking a 5% yield on a 30 year treasury is a good deal. It's not a good deal. He's saying sell your long bonds and move into the short end. And he's supposedly the king of bonds. And he's saying don't buy bonds, right. Because of rising interest rates. And he's confident that because of rising inflation and the diminished appetite for debt, the Fed is not gonna cut rates. And maybe he's right, cuz they shouldn't cut rates, they should be hiking rates. So just not cutting rates, not, not hiking rates is effectively a cut. If, if inflation goes up and the Fed does nothing, that counts as a cut. Right? And, but I think that Gundla could be wrong because there may be enough economic weakness to put pressure on the Fed to cut rates before the midterms. You know, hoping that that will do something to revive the Republicans chances of not losing both the House and the Senate, which to me seems like a done deal at this point. But now Gunlock is, is also echoing the Hank Paulson warnings that we have too much debt. What happened in the last week is now debt held by the public now exceeds the size of the economy. That excludes the debt held by the government because we've been ignoring the debt that the government owes itself. So if you count all the debt, the whole 39.2 trillion of funded debt, and that's just the funded debt, that's where the government has borrowed money and has to pay it back. The actual liabilities dwarf that. If you count all the contingency liabilities like guaranteed loans that could default and unfunded liabilities like Social Security and Medicare, you're talking about north of 150 trillion of debt. I mean we're completely insolvent as a nation, right? But when they're just looking at the debt held by the public, they assume that the money the government owes itself doesn't count. Okay, well tell that to the people on Social Security because on the same time the government says we don't have to worry about the money that we owe ourselves, they're telling the people on Social Security, hey, you don't have to worry about Social Security because we have this big trust fund. Well, that's the debt that they're not counting. So you only don't have to count the Social Security trust fund if you think the government's not going to pay the Social Security benefits. But once you accept the fact that Social Security benefits are going to get paid, then you can't ignore the bonds that the Social Security trust fund owns because they have to sell those bonds so the Social Security checks don't bounce. So the idea of not counting that debt really is ridiculous. So we were already, the debt already exceeded total GDP a while ago, but now if you exclude all that debt, it exceeds the GDP. Now, in order to make the debt not look as bad as it is, a lot of people are trying to talk about, well, you know, let's put it in perspective, right, because I, I was listening to cnbc. Their senior economist, Steve Liesman was criticizing Gundlach and Paulson for making a mountain out of a molehill. Supposedly like, hey, this is really nothing to worry about. It's really not that much debt. And a, he contrasted it to the supposed assets of the United States, which I'm gonna get to in a minute. But he also talked about our ability to service the debt. He said, you have to look at not the size of the debt, but, but the coverage of the interest. How much income does the government have relative to service to debt? Yeah, we've got about five times the tax revenue. The interest on the debt costs a little over a trillion and the government collects a little over 5 trillion. But that's still a big number. But what's important is the trajectory. Soon interest will be 2 trillion. So that'll be what, a third of tax revenue. What happens when interest on the debt is 3 trillion? That's more than half of tax revenue. So it's unsustainable. We're on a path where you can't just say, hey, we can service the debt, because we really can't. And also the interest is not fixed. We have all this short term debt. So interest rates could go way up. The yields can move up to 6%, 7%, 8%. You know, the last time yields were really about this level, other than for a few moments in time, was in the late 1990s, like 1998. But we got to 5% on the way down in 1998 because prior to that, rates were a lot higher. But because we had, you know, our first fiscal surplus under the Clinton years, we were in much better shape economically in 1998. And we were rewarded with falling interest rates. People were ecstatic that long term yields had come down to 5%. Now we're seeing 5% moving in the other direction. But we're in the worst possible fiscal position now relative to 1998 while yields are rising. So we're going a lot higher than 5%, which means that in order to keep the net interest payments lower, the debt is going to keep being refunded more and more. Long term debt that matures is going to be rolled into T bills, making us more and more vulnerable to the shock of a spike in short term interest rates. When we get that break the glass moment that Hank Paulson is warning about where there's a loss of demand for Treasuries and then short term interest rates skyrocket like they did in 1980 when they went up to 20%, Steve Liesman thinks we have no problem servicing our debt. What if we had to do it at 20%? What's 20% of 50 trillion? What, $10 trillion a year we're going to come. That's twice our tax revenue. 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But getting back to the other idea that well, you know we got all these assets. I don't know when this popped up on the national debt clock. National debt.org, go over there and there's a gold bar afield USA Treasury Reserve 31.8 trillion. That covers a good part of the 39.2 trillion dollar debt and they even have it per person debt per taxpayer or the asset is 85,000 per taxpayer. Although the debt I don't know how the debt is. Debt per taxpayer is 357,000. It's a lot more even though the total debt is not that much more. So I'm not really sure how these numbers are being derived, but the reason that they showed up was to try to make the debt look less ominous. If you say, well we got all these assets, well first of all, the debt still exceeds the assets. So we're still bankrupt. But the real debt as I said earlier, is about 150 trillion. So even if we had 31.8 trillion in treasury reserve assets, we're massively bankrupt. The problem is we don't have anywhere near that. This is a lie. I don't even know what they're talking about there. With these treasury reserve assets. I mean we have some assets, maybe a few trillion that the government has in liquid assets. We got about 1.2 trillion in gold. Not that we would sell that, but in theory we could. But we probably have a few trillion in other assets that are readily liquid. But the vast majority of $30 trillion in US government assets that guys like Steve Liesman want to say, hey, we don't have to worry about the 39 trillion in debt because we got these assets. These assets are meaningless when it comes to the debt because they're not liquid and they don't generate income. I mean most of them. The federal government owns a lot of land. A lot of land is just non income producing vacant land. There's nothing there. I mean in theory it could be sold, but for what? And how long would it take to actually sell it? Then you got some of the land or national parks. Are we gonna sell Yellowstone? Who are we gonna sell it to? The Chinese? Who's gonna buy Yellowstone and how long is it gonna take? I mean you can't service your debt. Yeah, I guess Yellowstone collects some money. When people come visit the park, I'm sure they lose money overall. I don't know what they get. We got military bases, we're going to sell those off. We're going to sell off our, our, our aircraft carriers and our bombers. That's, that's, that's probably some of that 30 trillion. There's a lot of buildings, federal office buildings. I mean, are we going to sell those? I mean roads, some other infrastructure that the government owns, some mineral rights, I mean I guess we could sell those off. But Spectrum. Right. When the government has, has that, I mean, but these assets are not readily liquid. You know, student loans, that's a big asset that the government claims. It has all these students that owe the US government money. Yeah, right. The students aren't going to pay, that's a make believe asset. Right. They're going to default. You know, then there's government owned enterprises like Fannie and Freddie, Right, that are eventually going to go bankrupt. Right. So what the hell are they worth? But it is pure BS to try to say that we don't have to worry about the $39 trillion in debt because we can sell off the national parks. You know, we could sell off Alaska wilderness. We. No, we can't. And even if we sold all of that off at fire sale prices, we'd only pay off a fraction of the debt. And then what would we do? What would we do with the rest of it? So this is a real crisis that the investment world, I mean, the, you know, the mainstream economists are trying to just sugarcoat it, gloss over it, looking for ways to justify it, to say that the people who are worried about this debt, they're just fear mongers, they're Chicken Littles, they're doomsayers. And they may point to people like me who have been warning about the debt crisis for decades and thus far we haven't had it, which is true. Now, a lot of the things that I warned would happen on the road to this death crisis have in fact happened. And the reason the real economy is as weak as it is, the reason that Americans are struggling the way they are, the reason that Donald Trump is as unpopular as he is, is because of the damage that has been done by this buildup of government debt and the size of government that the debt is enabling and the inflation that is being created to sustain it. That's why things are so bad. That's why people are struggling. So I was right to warn about the adverse consequences of continuing down this unsustainable path. The fact that we haven't had the absolute crisis yet, where we have that break the glass moment where bonds crash, the dollar crashes and then we have a massive economic meltdown. Yeah, that hasn't happened yet. But that is going to happen. That is inevitable. That's why I've been warning for so long to try to do something to prevent it, to try to circumvent that by getting our fiscal house in order. But nobody wants to do that. And even Henry Paulson doesn't even bother. He knows that any advice to try to get ahead of this will fall on deaf ears. That's why he's not saying we need an emergency plan now to prevent the crisis. No, he's saying we need an emergency plan to deal with the crisis after it happens. Right. That is not the plan. Like, hey, we need an emergency plan to deal with the ship after it sinks. Well, if you know the ship is gonna sink, I got a better emergency plan. Start plugging up the holes. How about if we stop the ship from sinking instead of trying to figure out what to do after it's underwater? Right? That's the advice that we get from Hank Paulson. But at least he's saying we should have an emergency plan. Most other people don't even think we need an emergency plan because they don't even see the emergency coming. Now, for me, one of the main reasons I've been warning about it isn't because I thought I could actually do anything to stop it, because no one really cares in power what I have to say, but what I'm really trying to do besides lay a foundation so that I can go back and not only just say, I told you so, but use that track record to increase my credibility. Because all the people that didn't see the crisis coming, that caused the crisis are gonna have BS solutions that'll make everything worse. I wanna be able to say, look, these guys don't know what they're talking about. They didn't see this coming. They're the reason it happened. I saw it from a mile away. I understand the problem. I know what to do about it. I know how to solve it. And so, and other people, not just me, I'm not the only one. I'm not saying I'm the only person who could see this. 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