9 | Six Kings Slam, Fitness Trends & Confessions

Summary

The Player’s Box – Episode 9: Six Kings Slam, Fitness Trends & Confessions

Hosts: Madison Keys, Jessica Pegula, Jennifer Brady, Desirae Krawczyk
Date: October 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of The Player’s Box peels back the curtain on tennis life with a playful deep-dive into travel mishaps, locker-room antics, the jaw-dropping Saudi "Six Kings" exhibition, pro takes on fitness fads, and candid confessions about gym gripes and recovery rituals. The quartet—Keys, Pegula, Brady, and Krawczyk—aren’t shy about sharing embarrassing stories, strong opinions on “etiquette,” or what it’s really like to win (and lose) on the road.

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Unforced Errors of the Week

Segment Start: 00:31

• Jess Pegula’s Garage Slip (00:31)
  • “Our garage floor is super slippery… I literally open the car door to get out. I am singing a Lifehouse song… I step out and just fall straight out of the passenger… and then I just started hysterically laughing.” – Jessica Pegula
  • Memorable moment: Jess gets jumped on by her dog while still sprawled on the garage floor.
• Jennifer Brady’s Cold Shower Ordeal (02:10)
  • “I take all my clothes off, turn on the faucet for the shower, and water just trickles out… It didn’t come back on for an hour, and when it did, it was cold. So I took a freezing cold shower.” – Jennifer Brady
• Madison Keys: Perpetual Home Reno (03:48)
  • “My house is still under construction and I gaslit my husband into saying it will be so fast… It’s been like six months now.” – Madison Keys
• Desirae Krawczyk’s Doping Delay in Japan (04:36)
  • “You have to get at least 90 milliliters… I hit 80… ‘Oh, you’re gonna have to wait about 30, 45 minutes.’ This is gonna delay my trip to Kyoto!” – Desirae Krawczyk

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Japan Tour Moments & Snack Chat

Segment Start: 06:53

• All but Madison are in Japan; Jess is playing Osaka, hyping local 7/11s: “The Japan 7 11s, for anyone that doesn’t know, are incredible… so many good snacks there.” – Pegula (07:30)
• Matcha obsession: “One of the players, Makoto Ninomiya, gave me a bag of matcha brownie treats… everyone knows.” – Pegula (09:29)
• 7-11’s famous snack, the “egg salad sando,” gets debated and no one is a fan (07:44–08:14).
• Jess stocks up on ceremonial matcha to avoid US tariffs (09:08).

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The Six Kings Slam in Riyadh: Money & AI Posters

Segment Start: 10:24

• Maddie and Jess are prepping for Riyadh, discussing travel plans and excitement.
• Jenny: “We were there for the first time last year… very different culture experience, but… very beautiful city. They did a really good job at the venue and making us feel welcome.” (11:30)
• Podcast marvels at Saudi’s “Six Kings Slam”:
  • Prize money is “insane”—$1.5 million appearance fee, $6 million to the winner (12:44)
  • “I don’t think I’d say no.” – Krawczyk, on the appearance fee offer (13:01)
  • The group jokes about clawing for a spot if someone withdraws (13:16)
• AI Posters: “It just looks like a really heavy beauty filter… cartoony… like a Snapchat filter.” – Keys/Brady (13:33–13:56)
• The hosts riff on why women’s tennis always gets asked about imitating new men’s events, and call for originality.
  • “I feel like the women need to come up with something before the men. That way it’s not like us following.” – Krawczyk (15:56)

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Fitness Fads: Wearables, Warnings, and Recovery Rabbit Holes

Segment Start: 18:32

• 12-3-30 Treadmill Challenge:
  • Explained by Keys: “Incline 12, speed 3, for 30 minutes… it’s low-key, kind of tough… I’ve even put on a weight vest.” (19:01)
• Starbucks 'Protein Coffee':
  • “I don’t really trust any protein powder that’s not… check the label before I take it. So I will not be doing that.” – Keys (20:14)
• Wearables Deep Dive:
  • The group compares Whoop, Oura Ring, Garmin—a fitness arms race!
  • “I have to be careful with getting like too much information… for a while I was wearing a Garmin… I need a thousand intensity minutes a week… everyone was like ‘I don’t think that’s really, really healthy’” – Keys (21:48–22:44)
  • Cycle tracking, HRV confusion (“Mine’s like 200!” – Pegula; “Mine’s 53” – Krawczyk) and the mixed accuracy of different devices (24:09–24:38).
  • Addiction confessions: “It’s happened more than once where I’m like, oh, I didn’t get all my minutes… and I’ll go walk the hall in the hotel because I’m like, gotta get those minutes.” – Keys (25:01)
• Funniest Recovery Insight:
  • “If I had, like, a singular drink… I would recover better the next day… On mine, it was always like, alcohol helped your recovery. And I was like, see, I feel like there’s some nuance here.” – Keys (26:01)
  • “I’m the opposite—I have one drink and my recovery is shot.” – Pegula (26:34)

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Recovery Rituals, Icy Plunges, and Gym Etiquette Rants

Segment Start: 27:13

• Recovery Preferences:
  • Jess—cold water: “I like, like, cold plunge ice tubs. I don’t know. I enjoy them.” (27:22)
  • Jenny: “I’m not an ice bath person. I can’t. I’m so soft. I would go in there and I have to wear double booties.” (27:29)
  • Maddie: “If cold water touched my stomach, I'd… be like, nah, I’m out.” (27:53)
  • Cupping, massage, dry needling pros and cons dissected ("Calf—I need just one, because that… triggers the whole…” – Pegula, 31:45–31:54)
• Gym Pet Peeves:
  • “My pet peeve is when PSTs, coaches are just sitting on gym equipment, literally taking up space in these small gyms… go sit outside!” – Pegula (32:54)
  • “That’s my number one at tournaments… people taking up space in the gym that aren’t a player… it’s a battle.” – Pegula (33:35)
  • Trash, tape, razors left everywhere: “There’s a trash can right over there!” – Pegula (35:20)
  • “No one ever puts a weight… back where it is. There’s just stuff everywhere.” – Pegula (36:26)
  • Maddie’s solution for the next generation: “We have to teach them when they’re young so that when they get on tour, they clean up after themselves.” (37:45)

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Fitness Confessions & Go-to Workouts

Segment Start: 37:50

• Any workouts you refuse to do?
  • Jess: “I don’t run long distance, though... I haven’t done long distance running or bike or treadmill… have had way less injuries.” (38:06)
  • Jen: “I’m not running longer than 30 seconds. No point lasts longer than 30 seconds.” (38:45)
  • “Cardio is awful.” – Krawczyk (39:08); "Love a good pilates conditioning" – Keys (39:14)
• Favorite non-tennis workout:
  • HIIT, boxing, SoulCycle, Pilates—hosts discuss workout styles and struggle with standard push-ups and pull-ups (40:12–41:05)
  • “Why are we doing four hours of push-ups on a bike?” – Krawczyk poking fun at SoulCycle (40:40)

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Fan Q&A

Segment Start: 41:07

Who Loves to Drink After Losing? (Jogan_77)

• “Definitely me. I feel like Dez as well… Maddie wouldn’t shy away… I don’t think any of us would.” – Pegula (41:22–41:31)
• “Jenny would be like, yeah, let’s go have a drink,” but it quickly turns to loungewear and Chipotle by 8pm. (41:41)

Preferred Nicknames? (Pete Ms. Sinski)

• Jen: Known as Jenny when young, Jen as adult, but "definitely a Jenny" (42:09–43:09)
• Jess: “Everyone calls me Jessie, but… now a lot of people call me jpeg… like the file.” (43:18–44:09)
• Dez: “Even in the workplace… everyone just knows me as Dez. If people say Desiree, I’m like, oh am I in trouble?” (44:18)
• Maddie: “Everyone calls me Maddie now… no one ever calls me by my full name.” (45:10–45:31)

Who Gets the Signed Ball? (Emers)

• “Sometimes I try to look for someone that I know, or if someone is really cheering, I try to get a ball to them, but most of the times, my aim is not good enough.” – Brady (47:31–48:43)
• “Do you ever get tight… big stadium but it’s empty and you have to hit balls… please hit someone’s hands!” — Keys (48:57)

Why Do You Tuck Your Skirt? (Bri Rito)

• Pegula: “If my skirt or dress is too long… I need to tuck it in… But then if you tuck in both sides, it looks like you’re wearing a diaper.” (50:28)
• Jess: “Ever since I was younger, it was just the thing you did—you just tuck skirt.” (51:23)
• Jenny: “If it’s like a dress or a skirt and it’s just a little long, sometimes it just stays put… comfort aesthetics.” (51:35–52:07)
• Maddie: Only tucks “if it’s windy or too much material,” with diaper-looking skirt at Wimbledon as a highlight (53:12).

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Memorable & Notable Quotes

• “I literally open the car door… step out, and just fall straight out… dying, laughing.” – Pegula (00:31)
• “I took a freezing cold shower with like trickling water coming out.” – Brady (02:10)
• “1.5 mil just to show up. Jenny’s like, I’m a queen. I’ll be a queen. I’ll be an alternate.” – Krawczyk/Pegula (15:04)
• “People are obsessed with fitness trends… has anyone ever done the 12-3-30 treadmill workout?” – Krawczyk (18:32)
• “If I had, like, a singular drink… alcohol helped your recovery. I feel like there’s some nuance here.” – Keys (26:01)
• “My pet peeve is when PSTs, coaches, whoever, are just sitting on gym equipment…” – Pegula (32:54)

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Tone and Highlights

• Playful, irreverent, and candid: The hosts mix honesty, inside jokes, and gossip—pulling no punches about the grind of tour life, fitness fads, or athlete quirks.
• Behind-the-scenes access: Rich anecdotes reveal daily rituals, superstitions, and the realities of elite tennis—the bruises, the boredom, and the band-aids.
• Strong personalities: Each host’s quirks (from matcha mania to recovery rituals to pet hates) come out, with generous teasing and open camaraderie throughout.

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Listen For…

• 00:31 Unforced error stories: travel, tennis, and tragic bathrooms
• 06:53 Japanese snacks, matcha mania, and 7-11 lifehacks
• 10:24 The “Six Kings” paydays and AI poster debate
• 18:32 Treadmill fads, wearables, and caffeine tales
• 27:13 Recovery preferences: ICE, needles, & honesty
• 32:48 Gym etiquette: PSA for fellow pros
• 37:50 Fitness confessions—what they’ll never do, and what they love
• 41:07 Fan Q&A: behind-the-scenes social lives, nicknames, and more

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For tennis fans, this episode is an invitation into the locker room: cheeky, vulnerable, and full of off-court confessions you won’t see on TV.

Transcript

[A]

This is the Players Box.

[B]

Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Players Box. I'm Desiree Krafczyk alongside Jenny Brady, Madison Keys, and Jess Vagula. Please remember to give our podcast five stars and to subscribe to our YouTube page. We would very much appreciate it. All right, let's get into our unforced errors of the week. Jess, would you like to start?

[C]

Yes, I would. I have a good one this week, actually. I think Jenny already knows about it. Yesterday was it yesterday when I was Taylor, my husband was driving us back from the airport because I came back from China and he parked into my garage and I took my shoes off in the car. I don't really know why. I. I guess just because I was, whatever, sick of traveling. And our garage floor is super slippery. When you have socks, they're like. It's like a nice garage floor, but it's super slick. So I literally open the car door to get out. I am singing a Lifehouse song, specifically blind by Lifehouse, if you guys know that one. And I open the door and I step out and I just fall straight out of the passenger, like. Like, I kind of, like, bumped and slid down, like, because my foot slid. And I kind of braced myself on the side of the door, and I was just on my ass, like, on the ground. And then I just started hysterically laughing. And I just hear Taylor go, are you okay? Just on the floor of the garage, dying, laughing. And then the dog jumped out on top of me and was like, what are you doing? Like, just. It was. So, yeah, I fell out of my car. Yeah.

[B]

But you're okay?

[C]

Yeah, I was fine. I was fine. But in the fact, the Lifehouse song really, hopefully just edit that in because this song makes it really. But yeah, that was mine.

[D]

Jenny, the other day, actually, I got back to the hotel and it was like, I don't know, like 7:30pm and I'm getting ready to take a shower and I go. And I take all my clothes off and I go. And I turn on the. The faucet for the shower, and water just trickles out and I'm like, no, this can't be happening. And I turned it off and then turned it back on again and, like, pulled the thing for the shower, like, the water to come out of the shower, and again it just starts trickling out. So I call downstairs and I said, hi, yes, the water in the room, the shower isn't working. And she was like, oh, yes, it's the whole. It's a whole hotel it's not just your room. And I was like, oh, okay, well do you know when it'll be back on? And she's like, about like 30 to an hour, like 30 minutes to an hour. So I'm just sitting there, I put a towel on and I'm just sitting on the chair waiting and checking every five minutes if the water comes back on. It didn't come back on for an hour. And when it came back on and it wasn't actually fully on and it was cold, so I took a freezing cold shower with like trickling water coming out. So I think that was my unforced error of the week. Maddie, do you have one?

[A]

I've been thinking all day, and I mean, good for me that I can't really think of anything. I guess the biggest thing is that like my house is still under construction and I gaslit my husband into saying. I was like, it'll be months, It'll be so fast. It's been like six months now. And I'm like, it's almost done. It's basically done. It's fine. So basically every time we come home now, there's like someone in the house. And our house is like divided. Where our hallway starts, it's just a sheet of plastic that you have to walk through. And every day he walks through it and he just looks at me and I'm like, but it's gonna be amazing.

[C]

Does.

[B]

I think I have a small one? So yesterday I played my match at 11:30 and I was like, okay, first match on, I can go to Kyoto real quick. It's only a 30 minute train. I'll have plenty of time. We finish our match and obviously you will. Usually when you win, you don't really have doping. So end up having a doping lady with me. And I'm like, no, this is gonna delay me. So we get in. And I was like, okay, I think I can pee. It'll be quick. I'm ready to go. Go in. And I'm like, okay, I got 90. You have to get at least 90 milliliters to what? That's the minimum right before you.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And I hit 80. And she's like, oh, you're gonna have to wait about like 30, 45 minutes. And I'm like, this is be gonna to delay my trip to Kyoto. And the sun goes out at 5:30. And then she's like, do you want to try again? And I was like, okay, I'll try. And she's like, oh, five, five milliliters left. Because I like just Trickled. And I was like, no, this is enough. She's like, okay. And I was like, can we just see if it's allowed? And she's like, okay, we can try. And so we obviously poured them on the partial and everything together, and it finally reached 90. And I was like, okay, this is fine. So that was my unforced error of not going the first time at 90 milliliters, but we made it to Kyoto.

[D]

Did you have Omu rice?

[C]

No, I have not.

[B]

No. And I have not opened up your Instagram. You sent me, but that was my unforced error. So whose unforced error of the week is it?

[A]

Jess?

[D]

Jess.

[C]

Yeah, definitely falling. I like. I like. It was, like, bumpy. Like, I, like, hit the chair, and then I hit, like, the side door, and then I hit, like, the. I like the foot rail. And then I hit the ground. So I was just like.

[B]

It'S like a cartoon.

[D]

Like, falling downstairs.

[C]

And then I kind of, like, clumsy around the house. And Taylor's like, oh, you're home now. You're going to injure yourself. I, like, was like, yeah, she's back. Didn't take long. Yeah. I feel like we should clarify also that DEZ is in Japan.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

The rest of us are in Japan. Yes.

[B]

I'm in Japan. I'm playing Osaka, and then I have Tokyo and then home.

[C]

Yay.

[B]

But Japan's amazing, so can't complain.

[D]

Yeah, I know. I'm seeing all of the Instagram stories and the food.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

So it's just so nice to be here. Yeah, no, it's great. And I've never been to Osaka, so. And then to be able to go take a quick train to Kyoto. And in between matches.

[D]

Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[B]

But YOLO, the.

[C]

The Japan 7 11s, for anyone that doesn't know, are incredible. You sent some pictures.

[B]

Amazing. Yep. 711 smoothie. Quick and easy. They've got so many good snacks there, too. Wow.

[D]

Have you had the egg salad sando?

[B]

I'm not an egg salad person. Oh.

[C]

Say that again.

[D]

What did you say? Have you had the egg salad sando?

[B]

Wait, you're being serious?

[A]

You cut out?

[D]

Yeah, you cut out.

[C]

I just heard I'm not an ex, and then.

[D]

All right, I'll go again. Have you had the egg salad Sando?

[B]

I'm not an egg salad person.

[A]

Should we do it one more time just for clarity?

[B]

I thought. I thought Jenny had rose and she was reading the chat, so that's why I was like, is she okay? And then I didn't realize I cut out.

[D]

No. Have you ever had that egg salad sando from 7 11?

[B]

No, I have not. I'm not an egg salad person.

[D]

Oh, I've heard it's so good.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No, no.

[C]

What other. You had a smoothie this morning?

[B]

I had a smoothie? Yeah. So you buy it, pay for it, and then it goes in, like, this machine, and it's ready in about 30 seconds. But it's amazing. They've got so many, like, quick and easy things and just it's.

[C]

Did you do the iced coffee trend or whatever that sabs?

[B]

No, I did the. I did the matcha. I did the matcha trend. Yeah. But I actually went and bought, like, three bags of matcha powder here because, you know, tariffs too expensive in the States, so had to really stock up here. And did you get the ceremony? Just buying? Yeah, I got the ceremonial surely.

[A]

Did you get the whole set and everything, too?

[B]

I already have that, but I just ran out of powder, so I just need to get all my matcha stuff. And then actually, one of the. I think if a lot of players know I like matcha, so one of the players, Makoto Ninomiya, doubles player, she gave me a bag of matcha brownie like, treats, and I was like, that was really sweet. And then Miyu was on the bus, and she was like, I know you like matcha. I have a matcha mochi powder for, like, mochi treat for you. And I was like, wow, everyone knows. But thank you. How can you move on the court? But thanks. So. Yeah, no, it's really nice. Yeah, it's caffeine.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Caffeine.

[A]

Jenny's in her head, like, how do.

[C]

I transition to the next topic?

[A]

How do I make caffeine transition to the Six Kings?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Maddie and Jess, you guys are heading to Riyadh soon.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Looking forward to that. When you guys. When are you guys leaving for that?

[C]

I think I'm leaving Sunday. Next Sunday?

[A]

Yeah, I think I'm leaving the same day.

[C]

Yeah. Night flight, and then we get in the next day at night? Pretty much.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's a midnight.

[C]

All right.

[B]

Like a early morning arrival, right?

[C]

No, you fly at night and you get in at night. That's what mine is.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think I land at, like, 11.

[C]

Yeah. Something like that.

[A]

Yeah. So I've been watching the guys on Netflix trying to get ready, because obviously two of the four of us have been there, but I've just been, like, watching, and I'm like, oh, it looks cool.

[B]

I feel like it's A really cool place.

[C]

Yeah, it is cool. Can you guys hear my dogs barking?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Hopefully they stop. I don't know what's going on.

[B]

We were there first time last year, Jess and I. I mean, I've obviously never been to Saudi Arabia and it was a very different culture experience, but, you know, very beautiful city. I mean. Yeah. And they did a really good job at the venue and trying to make us really welcome. So.

[C]

Yeah, it was nice.

[B]

I can expect it to be really good.

[A]

Do we play at the same venue that the guys are playing at?

[C]

You know, I don't know. I saw a picture and I was like, is it the same? I couldn't quite tell from the picture, to be honest, but I was thinking the same thing. But the. Have you guys been watching the guys at all?

[D]

I just watched Taylor Fritz and Zverev play. Yeah, I just watched that match.

[B]

How's the format? What's the format?

[D]

Two out of three.

[A]

Yeah, it's regular.

[D]

I think it's regular scoring. Yeah, regular scoring. Two out of three. But the stadium looks sick. Like. Yeah, they keep, like, panning out and there's like, like, like they show, like a little bit of the city in the background too, and it's really cool.

[B]

That's really cool.

[C]

But, yeah, the prize money is insane.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, it's nuts.

[B]

What's the minimum? What's like their just appearance fee? Insane.

[C]

Would you say, Jen, 1.5 for showing?

[D]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I think I saw. Yeah. Winner gets 6 million. 1.5 million just to show up.

[C]

Crazy.

[D]

I don't think I'd say no.

[C]

Do you think for me, dog, when Draper pulled out, like, everybody was fighting for that last spot.

[D]

Oh, a hundred percent, surely.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Claw, don't do anything.

[D]

Yeah. Hands and knees.

[C]

Oh, yeah, they're. And their poster. Their AI poster.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like I need to look that up again because it did not.

[D]

It doesn't.

[B]

Some of them.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It just looks like a really heavy beauty filter.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like a Snapchat filter.

[C]

It looks like cartoony.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, you know, on Facetune, you could like, either put the filter all the way up or, like pull it down. It's like they went to the box.

[B]

This looks great. Yeah.

[A]

And then you go back. You go back the next year and you're like, it doesn't even look like my face. What was I doing?

[D]

I did a one month trial for free. One month trial on Facetune.

[A]

Were you heavily editing your photos?

[C]

No.

[D]

I was like, how do you do this?

[A]

There's too many buttons. Trying to give yourself a snatched waist in the background, like.

[D]

Just trying to give myself a little kiata.

[A]

That was the funniest.

[C]

When you would catch. You would, like, zoom in and you see the backgrounds, like, completely.

[D]

Yeah. Completely blurred.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Or like a door frame.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Just waving this way. It's concaved in.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you think they would do like, a six king or six queen slam for the women's, like. Or we just honestly don't even have room in the schedule anyways.

[C]

But I think people would make room for that.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, of course.

[D]

1.5 mil just to show up. Yeah.

[C]

Jenny's like, I'm a queen.

[A]

Be out there.

[D]

I'll be a queen.

[B]

I'll be that.

[D]

I'll be an alternate. On site alternate.

[C]

I don't know, though. I have no idea. I mean, I don't see why not.

[D]

Yeah, like that. But I feel like the women are always just, like, following. You know, it's like, oh, somebody makes the. The men make this event, like, Labor Cup. Right. And it's like, people are talking, oh, should there be a female version of flavor cup? And then it's like, oh, should there be a female version of the six kings slam? So it's like, I feel like the women need to come up with something before the men. That way it's not like us following.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Jenny, start it up.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Let me just talk to my people real quick and just call us something.

[A]

Once you get the prize money, like, pretty high. Just give us a call.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I already got my three here. We just need three more.

[B]

Please don't put me in singles.

[D]

Yeah, I got two singles. I got one double. Half a double team.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Jenny can join in.

[C]

Des, remember when you were playing singles points at Paris Olympics last year?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Like, I can't do this. We're like, shut up, Des. Just play points.

[A]

You played a double or you played a singles match? Was it that. Was that this year? Earlier this year.

[B]

Yeah, I did a. I know. I played a exhibition.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Before the day before. Yeah.

[D]

In Mexico, right?

[B]

No, Colorado, Texas. Oh. And it was like, the day before.

[D]

It was before a tournament in Mexico.

[B]

No, it was in Laredo, Texas, Jesse. Not in Mexico. Not in Mexico.

[C]

And.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. I mean, literally, in front of all these, like, fans, they. I had no idea that I wasn't a singles player. They were just like, oh, my God, women's tennis. Like, me versus juju. And I was like, let's just go like middle of the court. Like, juju's running me side to side and I'm like, It's 6475. I was like, you could. Good job. You did great. But yeah, we played singles points in Olympics last year. I think that you guys just needed an extra person. I was like, sure, yeah. I can't do this on Chatrier. I was, yeah, I was like, oh, wow, this is cool. I've been on here but not playing singles once and it was so such heavy conditions anyways. Like the roof closed.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm playing like Emma's points and I just started drop shotting because I was like, guys, I don't want to run, so I'm trying to drop shot lobby.

[C]

You were winning points.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was great.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So it's good, but half a quart. Yeah.

[C]

More your style.

[B]

I'll stick to that half court.

[D]

So you need a little bit more fitness for vogue work. So. Yeah, but you can still work.

[B]

Go for it, Teddy.

[C]

Keep going. Oh my God. I know where you're going with this.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Pro athletes versus fitness trends. Everyone is obsessed with recovery culture right now. People are obsessed with fitness trends. Has anyone ever done the 12 3:30 treadmill workout?

[C]

I have not.

[B]

Oh, it's. Can you explain what the 12330 treadmill is?

[D]

So Maddie, do you want to go ahead?

[A]

So It's. It's incline, incline, 12 speed, 3 for 30 minutes on the treadmill. And it's actually like low key, kind of tough. I've actually done it a few times, like if I've been rehabbing or something. And I just want some like light cardio. I've done that. And I've also put on a weight vest as I do it. And then I get my iPad on there, throw on my headphones, watch some Bravo reality tv and it's a great workout. Highly recommend.

[D]

It's great. It was like a TikTok trend for a while, maybe like a couple years ago. What about thoughts on Starbucks? Obviously we don't really go to Starbucks because we have Maddie roasting her own beans at home now. But Starbucks has protein coffee.

[C]

I just saw that.

[D]

But I think it's just all they do is they add whey protein powder to milk and then they just froth it and then add it to whatever latte or whatever drink you're having and call it protein coffee.

[A]

So I don't really trust any protein powder that it's not.

[C]

Yeah, one.

[A]

That's exactly. Check the label before I take it. So I will not be doing that.

[D]

So pulling up to Starbucks drive thru and ordering a protein coffee, you'll be like, excuse me, can you show me the. It's NSF certified and informed sport, please. Does anyone use like a whoop or ora ring? I know Maddie used the oura ring, right?

[A]

Yeah, I have the oura ring. I'm kind of like, I'm kind of a psycho. I have a lot of stuff. I have the eight sleep. I have an oura ring. I love a red light. So I have the red light hat to regrow my hair. I have the red light mask. I would get a red light panel if I could and stand in front of it every single day. I would like, Bjorn wants to have enough eventually in whatever house we end up with, he wants like a cold plunge and a sauna next to it. I want. I said I was like, that's fine as long as we put red lights on like all of the walls. And I can just like walk around and just anti age from all angles.

[C]

Well, you can get the. You like the red light saunas?

[A]

Yeah, like I want all of it. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Do you like the oura ring or the whoop better?

[A]

I like that. The whoop is obviously. I think it's a good like fitness tracker and you can just wear it and it lasts for like a week before you have to charge it. I can't play in the aura. I don't like to play in rings and it's a little bulky, but I kind of just wear it for sleep at this point and yeah, same. So I can just see like that. I get a little addicted to stuff. If you couldn't tell from the fact that I want red light on all of my walls. So I have to be careful with getting like too much information. Because for a while I was wearing a Garmin and it has like intensity minutes and everything. And I was like, I need a thousand intensity minutes a week. And it was like, I'd hit a thousand. I was like, great, okay, now I need 2,000. And everyone around me was like, I don't think that's really, really healthy or necessary. And I'm like, no, no, guys, I can do it.

[B]

So I think when you look at the whoop. Yeah, like when I look at the whoop, I'm just like, oh. My sleep quality was like 90 shooting. To go back to sleep, I need to sleep longer, like the next day. Or it's like your intensity of like a workout. You're not reaching or closing the circle or certain minutes and your intensity or high volume minutes are just not there. But I don't know. It's same thing with me with the Oura ring. I only use it for sleep and tracking my cycle because it's too. It's too bulky to play. I mean, I play in four rings, but.

[C]

So have you guys also noticed, I think we've talked about this before, like, your whoop. You have your HRV level and how, like, it's a lot of anaerobic. Right. With hrv, basically, tennis, like a lot of intervals. Yeah, I think.

[D]

But everyone's HRV is different.

[C]

Yes, but usually tennis players are very, very high.

[D]

No.

[A]

Yeah, I think HRV is pretty individual.

[D]

Let me look at very individual, because I think if mine could be 120 and then someone who's extremely fit is like 30.

[C]

Oh, I've never seen that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, everyone I know is pretty high. But no, it is individual. But I do think it trend. I thought it trended higher for people that do more.

[B]

Minus 53 right now.

[D]

HRV.

[A]

Well, she's not alive.

[C]

Oh, my God. That's crazy. Mine's like 200. What?

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, everyone's. It's very.

[C]

I guess it's more individual than I thought.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

My mom's one time was like, 30, and I was like, oh, my God. It's like, are you okay?

[B]

Sos.

[C]

I was like, mom, what the heck? What's going on?

[D]

No, I'm pretty sure it's just an algorithm and it's just, like, dependent on every person.

[A]

Well, I think it's also, like, depending on each wearable, they all take the data at different times of the night. So it can be, like, pretty wildly different, even based on what, like, technology. You're looking at, like, my eight sleep does hrv and the aura does it. And they'll be really different. Yeah, but then everything else will be pretty similar.

[B]

But I do think that's.

[A]

I feel like there's a line of something is helpful and then the line of, like, it's too much and you get addicted. Where it's like, you have people. Like, it's happened more than once where I'm like, oh, I didn't get all my minutes this week and I'll go walk the hall in the hotel because I'm like, gotta get those minutes. What am I doing? Literally, at play tennis? I think I work out enough.

[C]

Or, like, people get really upset, like, if they don't recover well, and then they have to go play a match and they're like, oh, my God, I'm not like, I didn't sleep well. I feel in the red zone. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Like, sometimes I would wake up and it would be like, I'd be like, oh, my God, I feel amazing. And then I'd look at the whoop, and it was red, and I was.

[B]

Like, oh, so I guess I'm not.

[D]

Yeah, I. I stopped looking at all of that.

[A]

My favorite thing.

[D]

I don't need to know it. If some device tells me if I'm recovered or not.

[A]

Like, my favorite thing wearing the whoop.

[B]

I would.

[A]

If I had, like, a singular drink. So if I had, like, a margarita out or something, I would recover better the next day. It would give you, like, the monthly breakdowns, and it would give you the things that you did that would boost your recovery and then the things that you did that would, like, decline your recovery. And on mine, it was always like, alcohol helped your recovery. And I was like, see, I feel like there's some nuance that we need here. Like, I don't think that's totally accurate.

[B]

I am the opposite. I have one drink and my recovery is shot. Like, I am in the red zone. It's just. It doesn't matter. One drink, two drinks. But mine's complete opposite. But I will say the whoop with the alarm system is the best feature.

[D]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

You don't wake up the next. The person next to you. Or it's just not blaring. It's just give it a couple taps.

[D]

Or you just.

[B]

That's the best.

[D]

Just wake up before your alarm.

[B]

Oh, that's what I do. Well, we're not all you, Jenny.

[C]

Okay. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Does anyone have, like, a favorite recovery method that they get that you guys use? Like boots, infrared.

[C]

I like, like, cold plunge ice tubs. I don't know. I enjoy them. I always feel so much better.

[D]

I'm not an ice bath person. I can't. I'm so soft.

[C]

I love it.

[D]

I stick my toe in there and I'm like, I can't do it. I would go in there and I have to wear double booties. Like the.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

Booties that you put on your doubles.

[C]

You put two, so four total.

[B]

So nothing touching your toes.

[D]

Two and two. Okay, so two on my right, two on my left.

[A]

And I would always. I would always be such a baby where it was like I couldn't do anything above my waist. If cold water touched my stomach, I'd.

[B]

Be like, nah, I'm out.

[A]

I can't do it.

[C]

Oh, if you go like, above the chest. That's where, like, oh, that gets me and Maddie. Me and Maddie are like, oh, no. I love.

[B]

I have not done up to the chest. I've only done, like, we're at tournaments. They have it where you just. I don't submerge. I just go to my waist. Yeah.

[D]

When I was at ucla, they had the cold tub and then a hot tub right next to it.

[B]

Go to the hot tub.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

The contrast is incredible too.

[B]

Yeah, I know. It works great.

[D]

Yeah. I didn't do contrast. I just did hot tub.

[A]

Jenny and I will be in the hot tub.

[D]

Yeah. I was like, this is great, guys. Everyone's, like, in the cold tub. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna go. The hot tub. Yeah.

[C]

Any other ones anyone likes?

[B]

I like a good cupping session.

[D]

A little massage. I like a little massage.

[C]

Cupping.

[B]

So cupping's great. I feel like that works very well with me. Or even, like, dry needling.

[D]

Only specific spots I love.

[B]

I just.

[C]

I don't.

[B]

Some places I'm so sore. Like, if my traps or my calves, I am sore for, like, at least three days. Shoulders back. I'm okay. But, like, you can piston well however you want, but those are the two, I think, that work well with me. Cupping and dry needling.

[D]

No, I like needling with the jumper cables with the stem.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So good.

[D]

That's what they look like. They look like mini jumper cables.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I always walk into the physio rooms, and I'm like, guys, needles, literally anywhere. Just feel around, throw some in.

[C]

Yeah, I feel like needles.

[D]

It works.

[C]

I don't like sensation.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, they work for sure. Like, I definitely have gotten used to getting them, but I do not enjoy having to ask for. For needles. And then obviously it depends on which physio is doing the needles, because we all know.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

There are some that like to just. If you're, like, scared, it's. There's certain people you don't go to. Quinn.

[B]

We love you, Quinn, though.

[C]

We love you, Quinn. She would get so mad because I wouldn't let her needle me. And then she found out, like, Lindsay needled me, and she was like, what?

[B]

She's like, but I don't understand.

[C]

I promise I'll be gentle. I'm like, nope, I don't trust you at all.

[B]

That's a funny. That reminds me that AO one year, my adductor was really tight, and this was, like, maybe my first few years on tour. And she's like, just like, a couple needles in your adductor like, it'll be fine. I had showered, finished my mat, showered, came in the training room, and I was like, okay, fine. Like, I'm not used to getting needles in my adductor. The girl went at least, like, four or five needles in my adductor. I literally sweated through my clothes. I was just like, oh, my God, this hurts so bad. The next day, had to play because she's like, you're gonna be fine. Like, I'll just flush it out. You'll be fine. The next day, I was a wreck because I was like, I can't even load on this leg because you needled so much. But it felt great the two days later. So other than that, I mean, it's just the initial day of that. Oh, my gosh.

[C]

But yeah, yeah, sometimes you're sore from the needle, so I've learned that I'm definitely. I get sore from the needle, but I'd rather be stored from the needle than, like, sore from an injury or, like, a trigger point or something that, like, is getting worse. But, yeah. Yeah. Quinn is.

[B]

Yeah. I remember the first time I got needled with Anna in Istanbul. And they're like, it's just a little, like, pick prick. And I was like, no. And I was like, oh, this is not bad at all. And then after that, I was like, yeah, I love needles, but only on certain spots, though. Like, my left shoulder, you can go crazy on.

[A]

But other places, the calf.

[B]

Calf, I need just, like, one, because that, like, just one. And that, like, just triggers the whole.

[D]

Yeah. Sometimes I get a little sweaty in my feet when I get needles where.

[B]

You can kind of see it. The little beads of sweat.

[D]

No, Like, I got needles a couple of weeks ago, and I was on a table, and I got up, and my left leg was on the table and the rest of my body, and then my right leg was, like, propped up on a foam roller, and when I stood up, there was, like, the outline of my left leg because it was sweaty because from the needle, and then, like, the outline of, like, a little bit of sweat from my back on the table, and I was like, ew. So just a little sweat, a little bloody. Yeah. Is there any pet peeves or things that drive you guys crazy in the. In the gym when you see other people working out or at tournaments or. I know we all.

[C]

We all have one common.

[D]

One common one. I know. DEZ always texts us about.

[B]

Oh, well. Yeah. My pet peeve is when PSTs coaches, whoever, are just sitting on gym equipment, literally taking up space in these Small. Some of these are like, small gym. I'm really passionate about this, but sitting on equipment and it's just like, drives me nuts. I'm like, go sit outside. What do you need to babysit them for?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then it's like, oh, my gosh. But sometimes I will just do it on purpose just to be like, are you guys using that, that leg extension? Oh, no, I'm just sitting on it. Oh, okay. Can I use it? Don't even use it. But it's just like, go away.

[C]

It is so true, though. I think that's my number one at tournaments is just when people aren't working out and taking up space in the gym and they're not a player and the gym is small or it's crowded or super busy that day and there's just no room. And yeah, it's a battle. It's about it.

[B]

Some people have their psts, like their sisters or like, I don't know, just people who have no affiliation with tennis and they're just sitting and like, just chatting with them on a machine. I'm like, you guys can do this, like, in an hour when they're not in the gym.

[D]

Yeah, but in a jean skirt and sunglasses.

[B]

Literally. This week, our gym is so small and there's. It's just filled with one player and at least 3 or 4 PST and it's just unnecessary. And so now we tournaments are putting up a sign that says, hi, if you're in the gym from 10 to whatever, 3pm or during match time, please just have one player plus a coach or physio in there. Because it's so busy. And it makes sense because people are trying to do workouts and, you know, do their warmup, but it never changes.

[A]

She does a little laminated stuff sign so she can like, whip it out of her bag and be like, look at the sign.

[B]

Or there's actually. My pet peeve is when people leave their trash. Like, they just expect people to. Obviously there's people around tennis facilities and everyone's picking up. But I think people in our tennis industry expect people to pick up their. Their trash. Like their grips. They're leaving their grips, they're leaving their powders. And it's just like, I don't know. There's a trash can right over there.

[D]

Yeah. Or. Or cans.

[B]

Or the shower. Leaving tape.

[C]

Oh, leaving tape in the shower.

[B]

Yeah, amongst other things.

[C]

But Amongst other things. Yeah. Oh.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Just a lot of razors. Razors in the shop.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, just clean up your stuff.

[C]

I also feel like. I don't know if this is related, but I feel like there is gym etiquette, usually for people that are used to going to work out in gyms where there's, like, more of a public kind of audience. And I don't know if tennis players just get spoiled because we're always at, like, tournament gyms or we're at a facility where we just train and it's all tennis players or athletes. Because I feel like if this stuff happened at, like, a normal gym or, like, people that aren't athletes that just go work out after work, I don't feel like it's as much of a thing. Or they would, like, say something like, people be like, yeah, dude, put your weights away. Like, no one ever puts a weight. Yeah, no one ever puts the weights away. Puts anything back where it is. There's just stuff everywhere. There's not a lot of gym etiquette, like normal gym.

[B]

For all the players listening to our podcast. Don't do any of this. And to all the players will come for you. Pick up after yourselves.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Des will come for you.

[B]

Gym etiquette. Yes. Have some respect. Thank you. That was my meltdown right there. Wow.

[A]

At the. The training center in Orlando, because it's, like, one of my biggest pet peeves on the road. And there was like a two or three week period where the kids were just leaving stuff everywhere and they were done with their workouts. They would all leave the gym, and then the SNC staff would come in and, like, pick up after them. And I was like, wait, what's happening? What are we doing? Like, no. So there's a whiteboard in there. And I was like, kids, please put all of your stuff away. If you have any questions, you can contact me. Thank you. The next day, they came in and they all saw a sign and were like. And I was like, yeah. If you need help, if you don't know where things go, just let me know. I can show you where things go are. And the whole staff was like, we love that you did that. And now the kids are so good about it. And I was like, look, we have to, like, teach them when they're young so that when they get on tour, they clean up after themselves.

[D]

Yeah. And not someone else cleaning them after them.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay. Fitness confessions. Any workouts you refuse to do, Maddie?

[A]

Refuse to do? I'll do basically anything. Will I complain while I'm doing it? Yes, Jess.

[C]

That's very accurate. I don't run long distance, though. I don't do anything. I haven't done long distance running or bike or treadmill or any long distance work in probably four, five years and I have had way less injuries because of it. So I just don't do it anymore.

[B]

Teach their own. Yeah, I don't do any long distance. I do a lot of like power stuff. I do a lot of like agility, quick burst and reactive hand movement stuff, but nothing I really would refuse. I just don't like to do. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. I. I'm not running longer than 30 seconds. No point. Lasts longer than 30 seconds.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So I just don't exactly like what's the point?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Go to conditioning workout, treadmill, outdoor run, burpees. Gross. Cardio is awful.

[C]

That's my answer. Yeah, I just stated don't do any of that.

[A]

I love a good pilates conditioning.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, sorry. I was.

[A]

What pilates class are you taking this?

[C]

Conditioning actually. What's that one place? Solid core.

[B]

There's a. Yeah, whatever it's called.

[C]

Solid core is conditioning.

[B]

There are some that are actually pretty tough. Like you're not some of these like three rep pilates classes like those ones obviously are. Not again, you look like that was my bird dog.

[D]

I like like the. The cat.

[C]

That was your legs in the strap.

[D]

I like the restaurants, you know that's waving hello.

[C]

The cat. Yeah. I thought it was like the arm though. I thought it was like. It's like a rotator cuff situation.

[B]

90 degree kind of like. Okay. Anyways.

[C]

Okay. Rapid fire. Next one.

[D]

Okay. Favorite non tennis workout.

[A]

I like a hiit workout.

[D]

Oh, high intensity.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, same anything more high intense. I like doing boxing and stuff. That's always really fun because it's just like. It'll just gas you really quick.

[D]

Yeah. Boxing is really hard.

[B]

I love a soul cycle. Put me in those classes.

[D]

Why are we doing for hours push ups on a bike?

[A]

For tone. You have to do arms, Jenny. You don't want to tone.

[B]

Just go side to side.

[D]

Okay. You can do.

[B]

Go with the beat of the music.

[A]

I can't do a push up on the ground. Yeah, no, that's something I haven't done. I haven't done a normal push up in years. Can't do it.

[B]

Pull ups. Pull ups.

[A]

Working on my pull up.

[D]

Moving on to fan Questions from Jogan underscore 77. Who among you loves to drink after losing?

[B]

I guess we have that vibe.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean definitely me. I feel like does as well. I feel like.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Addie wouldn't shy away. Yeah, I don't think any of us.

[D]

Would, I think, a good time.

[C]

What?

[B]

One and done.

[C]

Okay. Jenny would be like, no, no. Jenny would be like, yeah, I'm gonna go. Let's go have a drink.

[B]

Let's go waste it.

[C]

Yeah. I can't believe I lost. And then, like, 8pm I'm gonna go to bed and order Chipotle.

[A]

I'm actually already in my jammies, so.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She'S all talk, no bite.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yep. All bark, no bite.

[B]

Exactly.

[D]

Yeah. Okay, so I guess to answer your question, everyone but me.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay, from Pete, Ms. Sinski, what nicknames slash names do you prefer to be called? And does it vary based on friends, media, or fans? I think most people usually. I'd say a lot of people who've known me from a younger age, like, from, like, childhood call me Jenny. And now that people, like, know me, like, as adults call me Jen, but I'd say I'm definitely a Jenny. I don't know about you guys. Like, what, like, here Jess or Jesse. I mean, nobody calls me Jennifer unless I'm introducing myself. I always say, hi, I'm Jennifer Brady. Nice to meet you. And then I just, like, hope that they don't say, hi, Jennifer. And then I'm like, maybe I should have said Jenny.

[C]

I feel like we say each other's. We for some reason. We all say each other's full names on this podcast, though. But it's, like, to be funny.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, oh, really, Jennifer? Or really Desiree, Madison, Jessica Trouble right now. Yeah, I will. It says nicknames, right? So I feel like everyone calls me Jesse, but then when I was younger, everybody called me jp. Like, everybody. And then when I got older, I don't know, everyone kind of stopped calling me J.P. i think, because I went to a tennis academy, so people just called me Jessica. And it was really weird because it went from, like, nobody called me by my name at all to Jessica. And then now a lot of people call me jpeg, and that's become, like, a fan nickname. Like the file. Like, JPEG file. Yeah. So I always see, like, these funny fan things like JPEG loading or something.

[D]

Oh, yeah, that's. Those are good nickname.

[C]

Yeah. And then. Or JP has come back a little bit or now obviously dafu.

[B]

Yeah, that's gonna stick real well. Yeah. I think for me, my nickname's always been dez. I feel. Well, when I was younger, I don't know this. I don't know why my dad called me this, but he called me Baby Bullet. So if anyone knew me as younger, that's what My dad called me, but that did not stick because I was like, please don't ever use that. But now everyone calls me dez. I feel like even in. In the workplace, like, everyone just knows me as Des. If people say Desiree, I'm like, oh, am I in trouble? Or, like, that's just weird. Please don't call me Desiree. Or there are some people that will call me Desi. And I'm like, there are. But there's a few that have known me when I've been younger. And I'm like, okay, I'll allow it. Like, you can be the one of five people that can call me that. But yeah, it's always been dez. Yeah. Shortened.

[A]

Sweet Maddie. I think everyone calls me Maddie now. Like, literally everyone. No one ever calls me by my full name. No one in my family. If I hear it, I'm like, who is that? But even fans, it's like, everything is always Maddie.

[B]

Does anyone ever, like, when someone spells your name wrong? Like, not M A D, I. Are you always like, oh, no, that's wrong? Or that's right?

[A]

More people spell it wrong than they spell it right.

[B]

How do they spell it?

[A]

M A D Y M A D, D Y, M A D, D I E, M A D, D I M a D, Y. I'm like, no, it's literally, like, take my name and then just delete the last three letters. That's it.

[D]

Yeah, just delete the sun. Yeah, that's it.

[C]

Delete the sun.

[A]

I basically respond to anything now. I don't try to fix any of it. If it's close enough and I can read that, it tries to say Maddie. I'm like, that's me.

[B]

I'll sign.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I have to add that for people that don't know my. I have a dog named Maddie. And that was before, like, this Madison, but she was always Madeline. So I always spell her name M a D D I, E, like, in my phone, like my dog Maddie. But then you are M A D, I. So sometimes it auto corrects me a lot, and I'm like, oh, no, I can't spell it. Like, F. Yeah, she's gonna yell at me. Yeah. And then now vice versa. And then now it. Like, if I spell my dog's name, then it's like, M a D I it tries to correct. And then Des, my other dog, who is Desiree, we actually just call her.

[B]

We are one in the same.

[C]

We just. We call her Ray now. Like, all the time, we just call her Ray. Just waiting for the Jenny no, she's still Desiree. I don't know how we have the same.

[B]

We have the same mannerisms.

[C]

Yeah. Ray just sounds more like neurotic. So we just kind of, like, went with Frey because she's a little neurotic.

[B]

Yeah, she's cray.

[C]

Cray. Yeah.

[D]

From Emers. How do you decide who gets the signed tennis ball after a match? Do you aim for someone or just launch it towards the loudest part of the crowd? Oh, dez, do you remember in Hong Kong when you. When. When you and Juju. Juju. Yeah, you and Juju came to my match, and after the match, didn't I try to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we.

[B]

So Juju and I. You were playing on center court, and Juliana Olmos, another player, our friend. We were both sitting at the top of the stadium, and Jenny was launching balls everywhere. We're like, jenny, Jenny. And then you caught us. You're like, oh, launched a ball to us. I don't even know. Did I even catch it?

[D]

I don't remember.

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

But it was really funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. So I tried to launch. So I guess sometimes I do try to look for someone that I know, or if, like, someone is, like, really cheering for me in a match, like, I'll try to, like, find them and make sure I try to get a ball to them, but most of the times, my aim is not good enough. As Maddie saw on Saturday. My.

[A]

My feet.

[D]

My aim is not good. So PSA announcement. If I'm trying to hit a ball to you and it doesn't come to you, just know that I was really trying to.

[A]

Do you ever get tight? Sometimes if you're, like, in a stadium, but it's like, you're in a big stadium, but it's pretty empty, and you have to hit balls into the crowd and you're like, oh, please, God, like, hit someone's hands. It'll be so embarrassing if I'm aiming for someone and I just end up going towards, like, the 20 empty seats.

[D]

Yeah, I've been there, done that.

[C]

Yeah. I hate when also, if it's like, a kid that you know is so excited and they're like, not a lot of people around them, and then you totally just botch it and you're like, oh, my God, I tried really hard. I'm so sorry.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, I really tried to get it. Like, you think that maybe they. They think you didn't even try to hit it to them, but you tried really hard and you just got tight. Yeah. I'm also always Afraid that they're gonna fall over the railing.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Oh, have you seen that? Like, when they're, like, reaching over at the top?

[B]

There are some aggressive fans, though.

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, when they're diving, like when they show it, say, US Open people are, like, diving for the ball, and, like, there's empty seats and they're just, like, all fighting for that one ball. But I feel like I'd want to. I'd give a ball to, like, kids or, like. Like you said, Jenny, like, if someone's cheering for you.

[D]

Yeah. Obviously, do it for the kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay, last question from Bri Rito. Why do you tuck the end of your skirt into your spandex? Is this a habit or do you do it for ball security or is it just for looks?

[B]

It's definitely when this. If my skirt or, like, dress is too long, like, I need to tuck it in because it's like. But then if you tuck in both sides, it looks like you're wearing a diaper, so it looks weird. And then you gotta make sure you just tuck one. Yeah, that's kind of why I tuck it in. Really?

[A]

Or if there's pleats and it, like, it's windy and it's blowing too much, or if it's, like, too flowy.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. One time I had this skirt that was long and had pleats and it was windy and it was flowing. And every time I would go to serve, it would literally clasp in between my legs. Like, every time I was going to serve and it would, like, pull down. It was like. It felt like. Like my gut was coming out of my skirt and I was, no, this can't happen. So then I went for the tuck. Yeah, sometimes. And, you know, sometimes you gotta show some skin.

[C]

Oh, you know, gotta get you. I've, like, always talked. I don't know why. Ever since I was younger, it was just like the thing that you did, you just tuck skirt.

[D]

I started doing it, I think, like, during college or after college. But, yeah, if it's like a dress or a skirt and it's just a little long, I just find that sometimes it just stays put. Like when you get into return stance and it's just, like hanging in between your legs. Like, you know, just a little tuck underneath the spandex for. For length. So it's not really for ball security, but more so for. Yeah, comfort. It's comfort aesthetics.

[C]

Yeah. Everything's always long on me because I have short legs, so I'm always trying to get anything shorter.

[B]

Sometimes I'LL do it just because if the, like, you obviously have the spandex and then you have the skirt that kind of, like, hangs below it. And some. If it's just, like, touching my leg, it just, like. It's weird. So that's why I also tuck it. So it just, like Jenny said, like, it's just secured and it's not just flowing everywhere.

[C]

Or if you're maybe if you're really sweaty, too.

[B]

Yeah, that too.

[C]

I had to double tuck in China one match because I think it was the match against Haley. It was so hot, I was literally jumped into a swimming pool. I actually almost thought about changing, and I actually, like, had to start double tucking because it was just, like, glued to my thigh and I needed it, like, off of my leg. So I was literally, like, front double tucking both. And I was like, wow, this is a look. It was bad.

[D]

Obviously, Maddie doesn't tuck.

[A]

Yeah, only if it's. Only if it's, like, windy or if there's just too much material.

[B]

Yes, Too much material. That's actually true. I had a skirt at Wimbledon. It was way too much material. That's where I look like I was wearing a diaper. Like, two sides, just. Yeah.

[C]

Have that picture.

[D]

Actually, the parachute was ready.

[C]

Clip it in.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[D]

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