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Episode: “Everyone is Overreacting” on the Tariff Ruling, Stephen Vladeck Says
Date: February 28, 2026
Host/Panel: Susan Glasser (host), David Remnick, Evan Osnos, Jane Mayer
Guest: Stephen Vladek, Supreme Court scholar and professor at Georgetown Law

Overview of the Episode

This episode tackles the Supreme Court’s recent high-profile tariff decision and examines its broader implications for American democracy, executive power, and the court’s relationship with Donald Trump’s administration. The conversation features expert analysis from Stephen Vladek, who argues that both praise and criticism of the ruling are overblown and that “everyone is overreacting.” The episode dives deep into the inner workings of the court—including its divisions, shifting dynamics, the “emergency docket,” and the looming threat of executive defiance.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Contrasts in Political Imagery

• The episode opens with light banter about Joe Biden flying commercial, sharply contrasting with the lavish imagery surrounding Trump and his associates.
• [00:01-00:43] – This sets up a theme of contrasts in political behavior and sets the context for broader questions about American democracy.

2. The Supreme Court Tariff Ruling: Are We Overreacting?

• Vladek argues that the media and commentators are overstating the significance of the recent Supreme Court tariff decision.
• “Everyone is overreacting. Adam Liptak saying in the New York Times that it was the Supreme Court’s declaration of independence from President Trump seems remarkably hyperbolic.” (Stephen Vladek, [03:59])
• He notes Trump has mostly done “unimaginably well” before the Court over the past year and this case is a statistical outlier, not a turning point.
• Vladeck’s main point: This case is a one-off repudiation, not evidence of a broader judicial shift against Trump.

Key Quote

• “It’s about not losing the forest for one tree, where there’s just been so much work by the Supreme Court to enable bigger and more problematic lawlessness by this executive branch.” (Stephen Vladek, [05:10])

3. Is the Court Curbing Executive Power?

• Discussion about whether the ruling genuinely signals a change in the Court’s approach to executive authority.
• Vladek stresses the Court often sides with the executive when constitutional issues are in play, and this case should be seen as narrowly statutory.
• “If this is really about empowering Congress, how come the Court was stepping on Congress’s toes over and over again in all those other cases?” (Stephen Vladek, [07:05])
• Emphasis on the importance of context and the broader pattern: The tariff decision is a “speed bump, maybe a harbinger of more speed bumps, but not a pivot.”

4. Shifting Conservative Fault Lines on the Court

• Panel explores internal divisions, especially within the conservative bloc.
• Vladek identifies emerging patterns: Thomas and Alito as most reliably pro-Trump; Roberts and Barrett as potential swing votes; Gorsuch and Kavanaugh jockeying in the middle.
• “If you’re thinking about how to count to five… the math really starts with the Democratic appointees and then goes to the chief and Barrett and nobody else.” (Stephen Vladek, [10:19])

Key Quote

• “Those two–the chief and Barrett–really are emerging as the middle of this court.” (Stephen Vladek, [10:49])

5. The Court’s Approach to Congressional Power

• Vladek critiques the inconsistency of conservative justices who extol congressional power in some rulings (e.g., Gorsuch's concurrence), yet have enabled executive overreach in others.
• He points to appropriations as Congress’s traditional “superpower,” which has also been eroded.
• “Where there’s even an iota of claim of presidential power, all of a sudden, maybe not so much with Congress. That’s the tension that I think Gorsuch’s opinion doesn’t remotely acknowledge.” (Stephen Vladek, [13:56])

6. Thomas and Alito: Politics or Principle?

• The discussion delves into the perceived partisanship of Thomas and Alito, with Vladek noting their inconsistency depending on which party controls the White House.
• “When the best answer is that the delegations are different because one was invoked by a Democrat and one was invoked by a Republican, that is not what the lawyers would call persuasive, but they would call it politics.” (Stephen Vladek, [15:03])

7. Looking Ahead: The Upcoming Supreme Court Docket

• Vladek briefly previews major cases looming on the Court’s agenda: Trump v. Slaughter (unitary executive power), a Federal Reserve personnel case, and birthright citizenship.
• He anticipates some rulings will still favor Trump and warns not to mistake a mixed docket for true balance.
• Ongoing “emergency applications” (or shadow docket) are where much executive power is quietly sustained.

Key Quote

• “What’s really actually happening is the court is in lots of other places and in lots of other ways, enabling more and more behavior by the administration that I think could be fairly described as lawless.” (Stephen Vladek, [18:50])

8. Understanding the Shadow Docket

• Vladek explains the rise and significance of the emergency or shadow docket—where nearly 99% of decisions now occur.
• These cases lack full briefing or public scrutiny, yet are pivotal for Trump administration policies.
• He highlights alarming statistics: Trump’s reliance on emergency appeals has exploded compared to previous presidents, and full merits decisions have shrunk.
• “Just during the Bush and Obama administrations, the federal government only sought emergency relief from the Supreme Court a total of eight times. President Trump during his first term… 41 times. In his first year in office in the second term, President Trump went to the court 32 times.” (Stephen Vladek, [22:21])

9. Elections, Emergency Docket, and the Risk of Judicial Defiance

• The panel presses Vladek on whether the Court would resist attempts by Trump to manipulate or seize control of elections.
• Vladek doubts the justices would give Trump carte blanche on something like nationalizing elections or seizing machines. But he notes: “Not the lines I would draw... but I actually do think that if we really were to see a concerted effort by President Trump to assert unprecedented... power over elections, I think this court probably pushes back.” ([24:35])
• The politics of defiance are changing; presidents may feel more emboldened to ignore judicial rulings.

10. The Growing Threat: Executive Defiance of the Courts

• Vladek worries about a general trend of delegitimizing the courts by the Trump administration, citing calls for impeaching judges and open declarations of “war” against the judiciary by DOJ leaders.
• “If you appease a bully, they’re not going to back down. And so this is, I think, the real trick: how do we preserve enough public faith in the credibility of the courts that it’s still a non-starter politically for even this president to defy an adverse ruling?” (Stephen Vladek, [29:16])

11. The Politics of Potential Supreme Court Retirements

• With rumors about Justice Alito retiring, Vladek discusses the likelihood and politics of timing for retirements.
• He emphasizes the strategic importance of Senate control, noting that Alito wouldn’t step down under a Democratic majority, and Thomas is eyeing a longevity record.
• “He [Thomas] has said that he wants to die, you know, on the court… he’s not far away from the all-time longevity record for a justice.” (Stephen Vladek, [32:32])

12. Analysis & Reflections by Panelists

• The episode ends with the panel unpacking Vladek’s core insights:
  • The Supreme Court is deeply shaped by both internal dynamics and external political pressures.
  • Caution against “overreaction” to single rulings; the pattern shows more continuity than change.
  • Increased anxiety about whether politics outside the Court (and within the GOP) would prevent a president from defying judicial authority today as in the Nixon era.
• On Roberts: The Chief Justice is portrayed as a creature of earlier Republican establishments, now wrestling with the consequences of the Court’s politicization and his own decisions, including those that paved the way for Trump.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Exchanges

• “Everyone is overreacting.” (Stephen Vladek, [03:59])
• “Don’t lose the forest for a tree.” (Stephen Vladek, [05:10], later echoed by Susan Glasser [37:01])
• “The court has been almost a monolith in support of the executive branch.” (Stephen Vladek, [07:56])
• “If you appease a bully, they’re not going to back down.” (Stephen Vladek, [29:16])
• “The tiger always eats you.” (Evan Osnos, speaking about Roberts and political compromise, [43:22])
• “There is a war that the Trump administration is waging on the credibility and legitimacy of the federal courts.” (David Remnick, [39:24])
• “The chief and Barrett really are emerging as the middle of this court.” (Stephen Vladek, [10:49])
• “Justice Thomas has lost the plot?” (David Remnick, [14:57])
• “He [Roberts] is a radical in an institutionalist’s robe.” (David Remnick, [43:19])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:59] – Vladek: “Everyone is overreacting” on tariff decision.
• [05:10] – “Don’t lose the forest for one tree”: Vladek on wider context.
• [07:05] – Court’s approach to executive power.
• [10:49] – Who are the “middle” of today’s Supreme Court?
• [13:56] – Role of Congress and the Court’s selective “support.”
• [15:03] – Politics behind Thomas and Alito's judicial reasoning.
• [18:50] – Shadow docket and scope of Court’s support for Trump.
• [22:21] – Emergency docket statistics and consequences.
• [24:35] – How would the Court handle election-related executive overreach?
• [29:16] – Dangers of delegitimizing the Court and appeasing executive defiance.
• [32:32] – Thomas’s ambitions and unlikely retirement.
• [37:01] – “Don’t lose the forest for a tree” metaphor revisited.
• [43:19] – Roberts: “A radical in an institutionalist’s robe.”

Conclusion

This episode provided a nuanced, context-rich, and occasionally sobering look at the Supreme Court’s current trajectory under Trump II. Stephen Vladek’s core argument is that neither panic nor celebration over individual cases like the tariff ruling are justified; the broader trends—especially those quietly advancing on the shadow docket—reveal a Supreme Court much more supportive of executive power than many headlines suggest. The panel reflects on the worrisome implications: a Court increasingly influenced by politics, at risk of being defied, and ultimately pivotal in the fate of American democracy in a turbulent era.

For further reading:
Check out Stephen Vladek’s newsletter, One First (stevevladek.com), for more detailed breakdowns of the Supreme Court’s inner workings.