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Episode: Trump's Next Hundred Days
Date: April 27, 2017
Host: Dorothy Wickenden (Executive Editor, The New Yorker)
Guest: Ryan Lizza (Staff Writer, The New Yorker, CNN Contributor)

Overview

This episode provides a timely analysis of President Donald Trump as his administration approaches its next hundred days. Host Dorothy Wickenden and staff writer Ryan Lizza discuss whether Trump can maintain control over his political agenda, evaluate his legislative and negotiation strategies, examine fractious political relationships within the Republican Party, and analyze shifts in media perception—all set against the backdrop of attempts to repeal Obamacare, alter NAFTA, pass tax reform, and build the border wall.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Shift from Campaigner to President

[02:28 – 04:29]

• Media Manipulation: In the campaign, Trump was treated as a novelty; cable news networks covered his speeches live and unedited, and his surprising tweets dominated the news.
  • “He benefited, of course, from having a single enemy in Hillary Clinton. And that’s really always been important to Trump…Now, he’s constantly trying to invent them.” – Ryan Lizza [03:33]
• New Challenges: As President, Trump faces the realities of governing—requiring negotiation with Congress and the courts—and no longer enjoys driving the story unopposed.

2. Managing Internal Administration Conflict

[04:29 – 06:28]

• NAFTA Debate: Trump’s advisors are bitterly divided between ‘economic nationalists’ (Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller) and ‘New York’ (Gary Cohn, Jared Kushner). This internal rift shapes major policy decisions like possible withdrawal from NAFTA.
  • “Cohn has started to have a little bit of the upper hand, partly because when you’re head of the National Economic Council, it’s a big policy council…” – Ryan Lizza [05:32]
• Negotiation Style: Leaked threats to withdraw from NAFTA may be tactics to intimidate Canada and Mexico rather than genuine policy moves.

3. Obamacare Repeal Efforts and Congressional Dynamics

[06:29 – 09:37]

• Freedom Caucus Power: The conservative Freedom Caucus (about 40 Republicans) wields significant power through strict voting rules, making passing any bill a challenge for GOP leadership.
  • “There’s really no precedent for a House caucus working that way…If they reach an 80% threshold internally, then all 40 members are required to withhold support on the floor.” – Ryan Lizza [07:01]
• Contentious Compromises: Health care bill negotiations center on insurance regulations; popular protections, like coverage for pre-existing conditions, complicate matters.
• Public Perception: Negative publicity about the repeal effort has boosted the Affordable Care Act’s popularity, sometimes even above that of the major political parties.

4. The Border Wall and Trump’s Negotiating Record

[10:23 – 11:52]

• Legislative Reality: Trump threatened to demand wall funding in a must-pass spending bill but quickly backed down when Democrats refused—a sign of poor negotiation skill.
  • “He made a big show of demanding it in this bill and then immediately backtracked…He’s not proven to be a skilled legislative negotiator so far.” – Ryan Lizza [11:32]

5. Trump’s Relationship with the Media and His Support Base

[11:52 – 13:35]

• ‘Fake Media’ Rhetoric: Trump relishes the media’s negative attention, using it to rally and bond with his supporters—despite regularly engaging with journalists himself.
  • “He likes the idea of the war on the media. He likes having us as an enemy. But he probably talks to reporters more than Obama did.” – Ryan Lizza [12:09]
• Unwavering Base: His approval among Republican voters remains high, unaffected by legislative setbacks or negative coverage.

6. Tax Reform: Favoring the Wealthy?

[13:35 – 15:12]

• Proposed Tax Plan: Trump’s plan is seen as beneficial for the rich and large corporations, with little focus on the average worker.
  • “You don’t really see anything in it that is particularly responsive to the plight of the white working class in this country.” – Ryan Lizza [14:10]
• Potential Backlash: If enacted, and the media clarifies its limited benefits to Trump’s core supporters, it could undermine his political base.

7. Conservative Media’s View of Trump’s Performance

[15:12 – 17:22]

• Favorable Coverage: Most of right-wing media, especially Fox News and talk radio, are supportive, highlighting conservative judicial nominations and tough stances on immigration.
  • “Being extremely restrictionist on immigration, appointing judges who...are sort of hand picked by the conservative legal establishments…That set of issues gives him a lot of goodwill with conservatives…” – Ryan Lizza [16:12]
• Potential Fractures: Key figures like Rush Limbaugh express disappointment if Trump wavers on core issues like border wall funding, but most right-wing media still back him over Democrats.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [03:33] Ryan Lizza:
  “He benefited...from having a single enemy in Hillary Clinton...Now, he’s constantly trying to invent them. So sometimes it’s the press, occasionally it’s a foreign country like China, sometimes it’s the Freedom Caucus...”

• [07:01] Ryan Lizza:
  “There’s really no precedent for a House caucus working that way...If they reach an 80% threshold internally, then all 40 members are required to withhold support on the floor.”

• [11:32] Ryan Lizza:
  “He made a big show of demanding it in this bill and then immediately backtracked…He’s not proven to be a skilled legislative negotiator so far.”

• [12:09] Ryan Lizza:
  “He likes the idea of the war on the media. He likes having us as an enemy. But he probably talks to reporters more than Obama did.”

• [14:10] Ryan Lizza:
  “You don’t really see anything in it that is particularly responsive to the plight of the white working class in this country.”

• [16:12] Ryan Lizza:
  “Being extremely restrictionist on immigration, appointing judges who...are sort of hand picked by the conservative legal establishments…That set of issues gives him a lot of goodwill with conservatives…”

Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:28] – Shift from campaign to presidency
• [04:29] – Internal White House conflicts, NAFTA debates
• [06:29] – Obamacare repeal efforts, Freedom Caucus dynamics
• [10:23] – The border wall: failed negotiation
• [11:52] – Trump’s ongoing war with the media and supporter loyalty
• [13:35] – Tax plan analysis and its risks
• [15:12] – Conservative media’s response and intraparty cracks

Tone & Style

The conversation is brisk, analytical, and lightly sardonic, echoing The New Yorker’s editorial sensibility. Ryan Lizza provides detailed, insider perspectives; Dorothy Wickenden guides the discussion, ensuring clarity and relatability—both for its political wonks and curious general listeners.

This summary captures the substance, dynamic quotes, and the sequence of discussion, making it easy for those who haven’t listened to grasp the core themes and arguments of this episode.