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Pastor Cora
Hallelujah. So listen, this is walk it out Wednesday and we're about to walk this word out. But when y' all were giving God praise, I was thinking about my grandmother and I would be moving sometimes and my grandmother would say, you're moving like you got ants in your pants. So you always moving around and you're busy. And I thought about it as I grew older and started giving God praise, I found out I just couldn't keep still because every time I thought how good he had has been to me. And, and, and, and the great thing about it, when you're walking it out on Wednesday, when you're moving, you don't have to walk by yourself. Okay, somebody shout walk it out.
Pastor Dobbins
Walk it out.
Pastor Cora
Type it in the comment. Walk it out. Somebody shout walk it out. Well, I wore my jacket today and I got my squad here with me today and we get ready to walk it out this word. And I won't do like the 1990 Chicago Bulls and make this great announcement, but you know him, he has a memory better than an elephant. He knows the word of God back and forth for starting at point guard. My friend, my brother, can we please give it up for Pastor Dobbins? Can we get up a Pastor Dobbins? Pastor Dobbins, can we give up for the the watch this. The orator, the one who keeps us together for real. Dr. Crumpton. Can we put it together? Listen. And we got a first round draft pick in the house fresh out of college coming to join us. Put your hands together for my sister, Pastor Cora. Listen, so we're getting ready to walk this word out today, and I am absolutely excited. Take your seats. Listen, you need to tell everybody online you need to join us because we have some questions, too, that we're gonna answer, and we might answer your question tonight. It's going to be absolutely insane. So I want. I want us to hurry up and get into the word of God. You sneaking. You sneaking, right? You sneaking around. Okay. You sneaking around. She had to get her water to get a water, so she get ready to preach tonight. How many are ready for the word of God? Well, let me put it this way. How many? You enjoyed Sunday's message? Well, Pastor Davis.
Host/Moderator
Sunday's message was called get out of your way.
Pastor Cora
My God.
Host/Moderator
And what befuddles my mind is the fact that I was in the way the whole time. I know. I know you're gonna leave me out here by myself. But if you're honest with yourself, it is your flesh and not your spirit. Sometimes that leads you into dangerous waters, and then you cry because you're drowning for the lack of your promise. Oh, God. Oh, God. I just want to take a couple of moments to talk about what I got out of the message. First of all, I was challenged. Second of all, some things in me had to change because sometimes we're looking so much at our circumstance that we refuse to realize that we're actually looking at us. If you're going to get out of your way, this means that you're walking forward, trying to go to your destiny, but you keep bumping into you. It. It amazes me that the people who say that it's other people and haters and the devil and everybody else skip over themselves for some reason. So I'm so excited about this walk it out Wednesday, because what we get to do is walk out the prolific, perpendicular aspect of this text where it's going to rightly divide God's word and into the specificity of what we need to be holy. Dr. Crumpton, what'd you think about the.
Dr. Crumpton
Sunday to Dr. Pastor Don? First, he's excited.
Pastor Dobbins
The precipitous of the scrutiny of the.
Dr. Crumpton
Yes, we're gonna have to divide these two up right here. Go ahead.
Pastor Dobbins
Go ahead, bro. You got this.
Pastor Cora
But it's amazing you said that. Because what I thought about was, this is a story of redemption. It starts in the garden, and it ends in the garden. If you think about it, the thing that God was trying to teach us in the Garden was to hear him. And one thing we got to do is unblock our hearing. If we really think about it, we have so many different distractions that's happening in our life. And what the enemy knows, he can't stop you unless he stops your hearing. Because most of us don't have an obedience problem. We have a hearing problem.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah.
Pastor Cora
Because we don't mind obeying God. We just want to know if we heard you. Okay, I won't get it in that.
Pastor Dobbins
Listen, when we talk about the gardens, I saw maybe about four or five different gardens. When we go from garden to garden, from the Garden of Eden to the Garden of Gethsemane, there's a garden of responsibility, there's a garden of surrender, there's a garden of resistance, there's a garden of reproduction, and then there's this Garden of resurrection that we see with Jesus in the tomb. And so I saw different gardens. And how we all experience this garden have dominion over the world, but God is cultivating us in that garden. Yeah.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah. Pastor Cora Soul, you brought something to my mind. I was looking for a Bible to bring to church tonight, and I've got some notes written from, I'm sure a few and hundred years ago, but I got in here. The Garden of Eden is a type of Christ. It's a type of Christ. And what came to me on Sunday, I turned to Pastor Don and I said, you know that the Garden of Eden is a classroom. It's a classroom. And the serpent was meant to be the exam because they had already been taught what not to do.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah.
Dr. Crumpton
And so that serpent was a test, an exam. And then I kept looking in my Bible. And there is also another note that I wrote a hundred years ago. And I think Bishop preached this the day the teacher went to school in the Garden of Eden. Speaking of Christ in that form in the garden, which takes us to the Gethsemane Garden.
Host/Moderator
Well.
Pastor Cora
Well, if you. You told me that Sunday and I thought about this today. If the garden is a class tonight, let's go to school.
Dr. Crumpton
Let's go to school.
Pastor Dobbins
Look like classes in session.
Host/Moderator
Welcome to the University of the Garden.
Pastor Dobbins
Come on here. I like that.
Host/Moderator
We want to dig into this text and dialogue with you think with us because. And for. For some who might have. For whatever reason, you went to Bedside Baptist this past Sunday and you didn't watch it online or in person. We are coming from The Book of St. Matthew, chapter number 26, about verses 37 through 46. The 32nd version of this is Jesus is about to enter into his hour to show off. I call it showing off because showing off is actually crucifixion. It is not always resurrection. You actually show off when you're going through hardship, endure hardness. As a good soldier of Jesus Christ. He's about to show us how strong he is.
Dr. Crumpton
God.
Host/Moderator
I feel a preaching anointing up.
Pastor Cora
That's good.
Host/Moderator
Sometimes we miss the wrong place to show off.
Pastor Dobbins
Well, well, well.
Host/Moderator
I have learned that you keep showing off trophies, but God wanted you to show off the workout before the trophy.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
Why would God take all of the 23,684 words of Matthew and culminate them into Matthew, chapter number 26 by telling us Jesus took three of his disciples? Matthew is specific. It was Peter and the two boys, James and John, the sons of Zeb. They are out to pray. They are. Oh, God. They're around the guard that they're supposed to be praying. Jesus asked him to pray three times, and Jesus went a little further. Jesus is crying out unto God and he says, you know what? Sleep on. And sometimes you have to tell people, sleep on because I got some showing off to do. Sleep on because his flesh has got to be crucified. Sleep on because I got some stuff to deny. Sleep on because I thought I could count on you. But for some reason, you keep discovering dipping out. Sleep on. So while this text is telling me that the disciples were slightly rebuked to sleep on, it woke me up. And what woke me up is Pastor Sarah saying, get out of your way. We. We. We're supposed to be going to the clip. I'm just going to mess it up for just a moment.
Pastor Cora
You good? You good?
Host/Moderator
If we're supposed to be praying, what's in our way that causes us not to pray? Does the intercessor or pastor doctor have a word for this?
Pastor Cora
Can I. I want to. I want to.
Host/Moderator
Because the lack of prayer is the problem here.
Pastor Cora
I want to do one thing is oftentimes we jump in in the middle of a story without backing up to the beginning.
Host/Moderator
Work it. Work it.
Pastor Cora
So in verse 37, where you talk about Peter, James and John, there's a verse prior to that, verse 36. Verse 36. You got to compartmentalize your support system.
Pastor Dobbins
What?
Pastor Cora
Okay. He. He not only take Peter, James and John, the Bible says he tells the first group of disciples, y' all sit here.
Host/Moderator
This was supposed to be the. A group that.
Pastor Cora
I'm going take three more with me.
Host/Moderator
Oh, God.
Pastor Cora
So in other words, all 12 can't go. All 12 of y' all can't. You can't go with me. The problem is we don't compartmentalize the right people and put them in the right place.
Pastor Dobbins
We want everybody to go with us.
Pastor Cora
Everybody can't go with us. And the danger is everyone can't handle us in our vulnerable state before we get to our next. Okay. So if, if, if we don't understand that, then we don't understand that they're not anointed enough for the next assignment. It's not. They're not anointed. They're just not anointed for the garden. So he tells them. He says, you all sit here. Sometimes you need people to have a sit here anointing.
Dr. Crumpton
Sit here anointing.
Pastor Dobbins
Sit here till I get back sleep and sit.
Pastor Cora
So you got a sitters and you got some sleepers. So you got to discern where do I compartmentalize people? And if you don't compartmentalize the people and put them in the right place, that will hinder your prayer life.
Pastor Dobbins
Yep.
Pastor Cora
Okay, I'm. I'm sorry.
Pastor Dobbins
Because sleep on and sit down.
Pastor Cora
And I call that the outer circle. Yeah, that's the outer circle.
Host/Moderator
Dr. Crumpton, you gotta, you gotta jump in this before we go to this next clip because we're preachers, we're pastors, and sometimes I see sermons. Sit is point number one. Sleep is point number two, and success will be point number three. You're trying to success without looking at the people who been sitting and sleeping on your dream.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah. And then we going to give another S for surrender. Oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my.
Dr. Crumpton
Well, can I add a S?
Pastor Dobbins
Give us another S. Sorrow Jesus.
Dr. Crumpton
Because Jesus told them, my soul is exceedingly sorrowful.
Pastor Cora
Okay.
Dr. Crumpton
Oh, go ahead. Let me finish this right here. Oh, he took with them, but he told all of them how his soul felt.
Host/Moderator
OMG.
Dr. Crumpton
Dr. Crofton, they all knew that he was sorrowful. So whether you're sleeping, sitting, or traveling with him, you understood where he was. People will tell you how they feel. And we ignore their feelings when we ought to be praying with them about their feelings. Go ahead.
Pastor Cora
I really wanted to ask you a question when you said that. Is it possible that Jesus exposes his vulnerability to see how they could handle him in his transparent moment? He.
Dr. Crumpton
He told them all.
Pastor Cora
And most people can't handle you if you reveal to how you really feel in the moment. Be careful with telling everybody how you feel before you get to the garden.
Dr. Crumpton
But can I add. Wait, hold on. Because people perceive you a certain way and they don't think you should have these different types of emotions. Well, because you are supposed to be so powerful, you're supposed to be so anointed so that you're not supposed to have sorrow, you're not supposed to feel hurt. And so when you say these things out loud, they don't take you seriously.
Pastor Dobbins
And this is right before his show off.
Host/Moderator
Come on.
Pastor Dobbins
That he's feeling sorrow, that he's feeling grief, and he's feeling weight and he's feeling tired and he wants to give up. And he wants this cup to pass from him, is right before he's about to walk into the purpose that he was sent to do. From the very beginning, he's been healing and saving the world. He's been doing miracles and signs and wonders. It's been really easy. But right up into this garden, that's when we see the sorrow. That's when we see the weight. That's when we see Pray for me before the purpose is to be revealed.
Dr. Crumpton
And he's telling the people that have been with him the whole time.
Pastor Dobbins
Yes.
Dr. Crumpton
The ones that he thought he could depend on, well, he knew. But the ones you think you can depend on, the ones that have been traveling with you the whole journey, Come on. Those are the ones that you tell. I'm sorrowful, I'm hurting, I'm in pain. But I'm about to go show off. I need you to pray for me as I show off. Show my scars. There's another s. Come on. Your scars.
Host/Moderator
Can you handle me heavy?
Pastor Dobbins
Can you handle me heavy? I love the way the passion of the Christ revealed that. And the closer he got to the garden, the heavier his body became. He was carrying our burdens before he even got the cross. That he was carrying the weight of our sin bands on his back before they even put the cross on his back. So he was already in a surrendered position before they even postured him into his purpose.
Host/Moderator
This is now. Now I know you like. What were you going? We are trying to clearly articulate so that you have no excuse that the master was in the middle of the process.
Pastor Dobbins
Yes.
Host/Moderator
We want to show you a brief clip from Sunday to kickstart fire your mind in the direction of where we believe the Holy Spirit is taking you in order for you to reach your promise. Let's take a look at this first clip.
Guest Speaker
If we have the garden is where we master the character required to step into the promise. It is where God cultivates who we must be in order to step into the promise. You don't know this, but some of the people you sit next to there, they're not in the potter's house. They in the garden. I'm in a season where I'm being cultivated to step into the promise. God's given me a promise for where I'm headed. But right now, I'm not in that promise. I'm in the garden. And the garden is where you learn to dwell and abide with God. See, in order for them to have dominion over all of the earth, they have to first understand what it means to have dependence on God. You can't have dominion without dependence. And so the garden is where I'm going to teach you how to depend on me. The garden is where I'm going to teach you how to dwell with me. The garden is where I'm going to teach you how to name things and how to move.
Pastor Dobbins
In the garden.
Guest Speaker
I'm going to teach you in the garden, I'm going to put you in a tight space where you learn my ways. If you can master dependence, you can have dominion. But I can't release you to have dominion because I don't want you to think that you can do it on your own.
Pastor Cora
Wow.
Host/Moderator
Dr. Crumpton.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
Talk to us about this garden process.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah. So what came to me when Pastor Sarah was talking about the process was that I think one of the issues in the church, and I think it stems from the home, is we are protectors of the sheep. What does that mean? That means that. Let me use, for example, my kids. If they were to get in trouble, I would jump in front of them because I didn't want them to go through the process. I would take it on, and they wouldn't be able to experience it. I wanted to shield them from the process. I didn't know it was the process that I was shielding them from. I thought I was protecting them from trouble, but the trouble was part of the process. And rather than me protecting them myself, I should have been telling them how to go through the process. I know we used to say sticks and stones may break my bones and words may never hurt me. It's a lie. But it's also the way that we should help the church through the process. So when they get in the garden, they know that the garden is not all green, that they understand that the garden is a process of death and life. And so I think that's where what struck me on Sunday about the process is that we don't teach it as a church. And for Pastor Sarah to come Sunday and Dwell on the process.
Pastor Cora
Yeah.
Dr. Crumpton
Means that God wants us to understand what a generation of us tried to cover up, and that was the process.
Host/Moderator
Dr. Cora, I need you to jump in. Your sis says, your pastor leader sister says, in the garden is where we learn to dwell, abide, and depend on God. What did you see in that clip as it relates to the garden? You talked about all the gardens.
Pastor Dobbins
That's where I saw. The garden of responsibility is when he's giving us dominion, he's giving us rule. But we can't get out there yet. We have to be cultivated in the garden. We have to be tested in the garden. And it's significant because what happens in a garden, if you're a gardener or a green thumb at all, there is d. Dirt in the garden. There. There is green in the garden. There are different colors in the garden. But nothing grows without darkness. Nothing grows without dirt. Nothing grows without surrender. Everything must be low in order to grow in a garden. So even you, as your spirit is growing in God, it must stay low because it won't grow affected effectively if you don't keep your spirit low in the ground. The enemy wasn't sent to be a threat. He was a test to a. To a test that you have already won and got the victory over. And he's already defeated. So really, it's just a practice run.
Dr. Crumpton
Oh, oh, can I say this about it? I'm sorry. Can I just dip in right there? We were in South Africa a couple.
Pastor Dobbins
Weeks ago, be in South Africa with.
Dr. Crumpton
The doctoral students, and we were in a plenary session, and I was teaching about the process. Good grief. I was teaching about the process, the process of writing, the process of research, the process of study, and how not to be burned out. One of the students asked a question. Well, how do we decrease the process? Or why do we have to go through the process at all? They said, we can just go to wherever job, whatever company and just take what we know and go. I said, well, if you get rid of the process or if you diminish the process, you. You won't value the outcome.
Pastor Dobbins
There it is. There it is. There it is.
Dr. Crumpton
Oh, my. You won't value what you get if you don't have a process because you work for it. You have to have something to hold on to. Like Pastor Sarah said Sunday about being on the dean's list. Well, you should have known I was going to be on the dean's list because of me following the process. That was the obvious outcome of going through the process. And many people want to diminish the process and get right to the promise. And you won't value the promise if you've never went through the process.
Host/Moderator
Doctor, that was heavy. I need you to jump in because I want to answer one of our online questions, but I need you to jump in and talk to us.
Dr. Crumpton
That.
Pastor Cora
That's so good what they both just said. Because I think what we do at this justice is we don't teach it all properly.
Dr. Crumpton
Right.
Pastor Cora
The God of the promise is also the God of the process.
Pastor Dobbins
Sure, if not more.
Pastor Cora
He's the same God. And most people want to call, but they don't want the cup.
Pastor Dobbins
Say it again. They didn't hear you all the way in the back over there.
Pastor Cora
They want the call, but they don't want the cup. I'm sorry. They go together.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pastor Cora
Jesus is on his way. He gets heavy before he gets to the cup.
Pastor Dobbins
Come on.
Pastor Cora
So heaven is coming before he gets to the cup. And the problem is you don't realize anointing doesn't come cheap and you don't get it on sale.
Pastor Dobbins
Costly.
Pastor Cora
So this cost me something. So why people that. They're jealous of your progress. I need you jealous of my process.
Dr. Crumpton
Listen.
Pastor Cora
Yes. Don't tell me I want to be you. Tell me you want to went through what I went through and then we can have this conversation until you know the price tag of what I paid while I'm heavy alone. Then we can have this conversation.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah, yeah.
Pastor Cora
Of me doubting. My fault. Okay. I'm sorry.
Host/Moderator
No, no, no, no.
Pastor Dobbins
I'm sorry.
Pastor Cora
Because. Because here's the thing. Here's the test, Doc. When you. You don't notice, but when you told me that Sunday almost ran. Because here's what God said. It was a test for Jesus. Because Jesus had enough faith to know that God would move the cup. But God had enough faith to know that Jesus could handle the cup. So he wasn't going to move the cup. There are some things you're praying about. He's not going to move.
Pastor Dobbins
Because you can handle it.
Pastor Cora
Because you can handle it.
Pastor Dobbins
You can handle the cup.
Dr. Crumpton
It's sufficient. Hello.
Pastor Cora
You're praying about what's going to make you better.
Pastor Dobbins
Hello?
Pastor Cora
I want more. Then go through more.
Pastor Dobbins
That is so rude.
Pastor Cora
Give me more. Let me put more on you.
Dr. Crumpton
More on yourself.
Host/Moderator
So wait a minute.
Pastor Dobbins
To whom much is given. I'd say the cup.
Host/Moderator
I heard you say cup. But the spirit said cut. And sometimes we want the call without the cut.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Crumpton
We going from the S to the C'S. Now.
Host/Moderator
There is the call on your way to the cup. But in the middle, there is a cut.
Dr. Crumpton
Wow.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
You will remember that Jesus was later pierced in the side. The blood and water came out. We like to shout, preachers, Y' all know what I'm talking about. The blood was for the Jews and the waters for the Gentiles. Wait a minute. I'm just reminiscing on the fact that it was a cut. This wasn't a nice, neat circumcision. This was a stab. And it's not just about the cut. The laceration on the outside. What I thought about is everything you've been trying to cover up just spills out.
Dr. Crumpton
My. My.
Host/Moderator
The cut will expose what's in you, not where you're going. The cup will ex. Oh, God. The cut will expose what you've been trying to hold. The lack of vulnerability, the pride, the lust, the anger. I wish anybody in this room would say something. If you have ever been cut, cut by people, cut by jobs. You felt like you were cut by God when there was a cut. You can't help but to walk bleeding. And some of you came in here bleeding. Some of you came in here leaking. What are you leaking with? I guarantee you that you're leaking with the call, not the cut.
Pastor Dobbins
You are leaving a call, But God saw a call. He's calling you.
Host/Moderator
He's calling you, baby. He's calling you in your dreams. He's calling. Oh, let me stop. Let me stop. He's calling you when the kids go to jail. He's calling you in the pregnancy. He's calling you in the hospital. God is calling you. And you keep trying to come to the call without the process. Anytime God calls you, he calls you into what? What he has promised for you. One of the questions. Y' all sit down. One of the questions.
Pastor Cora
Wait a minute.
Pastor Dobbins
Answer the question. Listen, y' all be obedient.
Host/Moderator
I tried, Pastor Sarah. I stopped Bishop. I tried.
Pastor Dobbins
When you be obedient.
Dr. Crumpton
Listen how he's cut.
Pastor Cora
The Bible says he's bleeding drops of blood.
Dr. Crumpton
Uhhuh.
Pastor Cora
So his skin is breaking open. Those are cuts that are not from natural cuts. They're cuts from our sins. For us that he's in the garden being cut for us. And the text says. And he went a little further, which means he was moving emotionally. And bleeding.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah.
Pastor Cora
And if he can move emotionally and bleed. And bleed.
Pastor Dobbins
That's why the process is painful. Because he couldn't get to victory without pain. So why would you. If he can't get to Victory without pain and without bleeding, without tears and without feeling forsaken and without being betrayed. How you getting to victory without being betrayed, without having friends lie on you, without bleeding, without getting cut, without having some burdens. How do you get to victory without being a victim? He had to become a victim to get victory. So you can't get victory from God if you're not willing to be victim, victimized, if you're not willing to be crushed, if you're not willing to be betrayed. He said, let's go to see the betrayer. He walked to the betrayal.
Dr. Crumpton
Come on.
Pastor Dobbins
That was the process. David has to go through the valley of the shadow of death. He has to go through his garden, his steel waters, to get his soul restored before he even gets his head anointed with oil, before he even gets to the table that the Lord has prepared for him. He has to go through his own garden, his own valley, his own parts of fear, and see God with him. Even though the Lord is with me, I shall not fear. So I'm going to keep walking through this valley. It was painful, though, ma'.
Pastor Cora
Am.
Pastor Dobbins
Hannah goes through pain to produce.
Host/Moderator
Samuel, you better come on here, ma'.
Hannah Burner
Am.
Pastor Dobbins
She goes through pain, pain. Jonah goes through pain to go and save thousands of people that God asked him. No one in the Bible that is walking in victory did not go through a cut, did not go through a cross, did not go through a crushing. No one.
Dr. Crumpton
I hope y' all are getting all of these S's and these C's. I hope you taking notes because I'm about to write it down. Down.
Host/Moderator
Well, I thought we went from the S to the C's to the V's.
Dr. Crumpton
Wait, hold on. Let's stay.
Host/Moderator
Go back to the C. Because the.
Dr. Crumpton
C was the call. It was the cup. The cup, it was the cut, it was the crush, the crucifixion, and then it was the crushing, crushing. I hope you got them all, because.
Pastor Dobbins
That'S part of the process. That's part of the process.
Pastor Cora
Oh, good.
Host/Moderator
I heard Dr. Cora start talking about the victimization. And sometimes you think you are a victim on your way to victory because you feel like you've lost your voice. And Pastor Sarah's message comes to tell us that sometimes your voice in the process is not as important as you think. You need to be hearing the voice of God because it's Jesus. 100% man. He's 100 God. The voice of Jesus. The man says, father, if it be your will. Come on, let this bitter cup pass. But the Spirit of God in him said, nevertheless. Let your will be done. You need a nevertheless.
Pastor Dobbins
Where's your nevertheless?
Pastor Cora
Come on, somebody type nevertheless in the comment.
Pastor Dobbins
Where is your nevertheless?
Pastor Cora
Let me hear you shout nevertheless.
Pastor Dobbins
Nevertheless. But don't say it if you don't mean it. No, no, no, no, no for real. No, for real. Don't say I give myself away. Don't say nevertheless your will, not mine. Don't say give me more. Don't say any of that if you don't mean it. If you don't want to be in the hospital seeing him as a healer, if you don't want to be walking your house, praying over your kids in the midnight hour because the enemy's trying to torment them.
Dr. Crumpton
Trying to.
Pastor Dobbins
Don't say it if you don't mean.
Dr. Crumpton
It.
Pastor Dobbins
Because it's real. When you take on the process, you take on the pain.
Pastor Cora
Don't say it if you're a sleeper or you.
Host/Moderator
So one of the. Now listen. This is why you. Oh, God. This is why. Oh, I feel something rumbling in my spirit. I want to run. I want to jump. Like, like New Jack City. Just be calling.
Pastor Dobbins
Me.
Host/Moderator
We're going to go to some of the online questions, but for those in the audience, we're going to try and take, if we have time, we preach this. We're going to try to take some live questions right here in this audience to our online audience. This is why it is absolutely paramount, important that you scan that QR code at the end of each sermon because we want to answer your question.
Dr. Crumpton
We.
Host/Moderator
One of the questions, I think it's already been answered. It says, how do I know what God has promised me? How do I fully serve the Lord? How do I know what God has promised me? Simple. You know what God has promised you by his word. Y' all like, okay, that's too old school. You know what God has promised you? By the cut, the cup and the call that is deep down in your spirit, you. You know what God has promised you by all the victimization and the crushing. The greater the sacrifice, the greater the success. I'm not saying that you just have to specifically keep going through trial after trial, but if you're going through hardship, this means that there's a hallelujah on the other side of the hell.
Pastor Cora
That's good.
Host/Moderator
Misery. Misery often bursts ministry. Your frustration will be transformed into fruit. Your problem will be transformed into a promise. How do I fully serve the Lord? I wanted to say this really quick because here's what I get. When Pastor Cora said, listen, don't say it if you don't mean it. But you have to build yourself up to these vulnerable moments. I have found that most people do not do a daily devotion. You come on Sunday. Praise God. Thank you for coming. We love to hug your neck, you fist bump you. High five. We love the comments and we have a great audience right here for Bible study. Praise God. But on a daily basis, you need daily word building you up. Therefore, when the test comes, you are not surprised because you have been forewarned. Anybody else want to jump in on that one?
Dr. Crumpton
Can I jump in right quick? How do I know what God has promised me? Number one, you know who you are. You have to know who you are in him. And then the promises of God become yea and amen specifically for you. Because I'm sure you're talking about what you want to know what he has promised you specifically. Well, first of all, generally he's promised you as pastor has said his word, and his word is a promise. Yay and amen. But secondly, he will tell you who you are when you come to know who you are in him. That's where the process starts. How do I fully serve him? I fully serve him as I get to know him. I want to serve him because I realize how good he is. I realize he's the one that brought me through strange places. I realize when I come to know who he is, that I am him in him. And then I want to serve the one.
Host/Moderator
Dr. Crumpton.
Dr. Crumpton
Listen. Did you hear that? Then I want to serve the one that I'm like, whose image I've been born into, whose blood I've been washed into. I want to serve him. That's how you fully serve him. You come to want to serve him because you come to know who you are in him.
Pastor Dobbins
The. The thing I would add is the devil don't want you to have nothing good. And so you can generally tell that it's God's promise when it's going to add something to you. It's going to grow you. It's going to benefit you. It's going to develop you in some way. The enemy is not telling you to write a book. The enemy is not telling you to start a business.
Host/Moderator
Right? Right.
Pastor Dobbins
The enemy is not telling you to do something that is going to benefit you or grow you. He's challenging those visions, those dreams. He's challenging those ideas. So you know what God has promised you because it's attached to fruitfulness. You know what God has promised you because it's attached to his peace and his word can back it. A lot of times we're praying for answers that he has already given in his word. And if you would read it, you wouldn't have to pray about what you're praying about because you would see that he had already answered that.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host/Moderator
For me, that was excellent.
Pastor Cora
That's excellent. For me, I probably. I just answered the first part about it. When they say, how do we know what God has promised? For me, I would make sure you're not asking this question like, God is a candy store or this is Toys R Us. So you're asking for something that's going to be good because those that live godly must suffer persecution. It rains on the just as well as well as the unjust. Think it not strange concerning these fiery darts. Count it all joy when you fall into that. All these are promises of God. Yeah, these are promises. The promises. You're going to go through some things. But the great thing about that promise is he's going to bring you through it. So let's make sure we're not thinking, okay, God's promised me, so I got a new car. No, no, no. So this is not everything. Promises is tangible. Make sure we understand the suffering that we go through sometimes is a process. It's designed to make us better for the vision that he has given us.
Dr. Crumpton
Oh, can I say something right there?
Host/Moderator
Absolutely.
Dr. Crumpton
Because we are going through a process regardless of whether we say yes to it or not.
Pastor Cora
That's good. That's the whole world.
Pastor Dobbins
Monkey's uncle on Wednesday.
Pastor Cora
That's the whole world.
Dr. Crumpton
You're gonna go through the process whether you say yes or not. I think the problem is that we don't know. This is a process that God is taking us through. And I think when we discover or find out, as Pastor Cora said through his word, that this is the process, in order that his word or his promises may be fulfilled. Fulfilled. If you want to know what that promise is, look at the process you're going through. Because there is a process. Whether you say yay or nay.
Pastor Cora
That's good.
Dr. Crumpton
It doesn't stop because you say no. It will continue whether you mad about.
Pastor Dobbins
That, but it's the truth. It don't stop because you say no. How dare you?
Pastor Cora
No, but no.
Host/Moderator
Dr. Crumpton, just get. She just saved us 10 years of fighting.
Dr. Crumpton
That's why Jesus said nevertheless. That's why Jesus said nevertheless.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah, because either way, either way, I.
Dr. Crumpton
Gotta go through this. I might as well yield. Surrender.
Host/Moderator
You might as well get out of your way.
Dr. Crumpton
Get out of your way.
Host/Moderator
Before we go to this next clip, as Dr. Crumpton was spilling over the. The oil is just oozing over here. I wish y' all could feel this. The Holy Spirit said, hey, you like being a counterfeit right now? I was like, what? What you mean, Lord? He said, you got on this watch and it's not even the right time cuz you don't have a battery in it. I said, lord, you going to do me like this? You going to tell me to tell the people like this, right? Said, that's all right, cuz I normally tell time by my phone. And the Lord says, tell my people that their faith is batteryless. In other words, when I put the battery in, I'll know what time it is. But the reason why your test keeps going on and on and on, because you have no faith in the test. You're fighting it. The moment you put faith in the test that you're going through because you're going to already go through it, then God says, now I'll set the watch so that the time can tick for you to actually reach the promise.
Pastor Cora
Can I add something to what you just said?
Host/Moderator
You have not even inserted the battery yet. You still fighting. You still in your own way.
Pastor Cora
Let me add to what you just said, Dobbins, that that is so much of a revelation that even a broke clock is right twice a day. And you look at it and think it's working. So. So you work twice for God and you think you working.
Pastor Dobbins
Done.
Pastor Cora
So you do God. God uses you one time and you think you working. And the problem is you think his use of you is his approval of.
Pastor Dobbins
You because you came on Sunday and Wednesday.
Pastor Cora
You came on Sunday and Wednesday.
Pastor Dobbins
That's your two times.
Pastor Cora
But what you don't know is the person he used you for was praying for an answer.
Pastor Dobbins
Mighty God.
Pastor Cora
And you were the closest vessel.
Pastor Dobbins
Help Hold.
Pastor Cora
Don't confuse his use of you as his approval of you.
Pastor Dobbins
Do not confuse his use of you as his approval of you. How dare you. How dare you.
Dr. Crumpton
Oh, my.
Pastor Dobbins
What is going on up here?
Host/Moderator
So this is only right?
Dr. Crumpton
Welcome to it, Pastor Cora.
Host/Moderator
And God has said you could have been right all 24 hours. Listen, I want y' all to take a. A look at this next clip. We're going to dig in, dive a little bit further so we can walk this thing out.
Dr. Crumpton
What time is it, Pastor?
Pastor Dobbins
Deeper. Can we.
Pastor Cora
We can go deeper.
Host/Moderator
I'm going blame it on Pastor.
Pastor Dobbins
Don't somebody give me a scuba.
Host/Moderator
I Blame it on my watch.
Guest Speaker
I have noticed this shift in social media and the way that social media awards certain types of content. And one of the things that I recognize that is kind of counterintuitive is when we first maybe started on social media, everyone would say this is just a place where you post your highlight reels and everyone just sees the shining part of your life. And what I began to notice is that social media has begun to shift. It's not just the place where you show your highlight reel anymore. They are beginning to reward instead process. You'll notice that there are more posts about getting ready with me or go with me as I do this than there are people just showing the finished outcome. I feel like that's very interesting and honestly, in many ways I feel like it is delivering many of us from the spirit of envy if I'm honest. Because as long as someone was just showing the highlight reel, we would think to ourselves, I want that, I want to have that, I want to do that, I want to be that. But the more that they're showing the process, it's helping us to more adequately determine whether or not we really want that thing that we see. I thought to myself I was looking at a fitness influencer. I was like, that's it Lord. That's the body that I want to have. I found it, Lord. Thank you. Then she showed me what she do to work out and she showed me what she eats and I realized I don't really want it that bad. I don't know if you've ever been in that situation. I, I want whatever you can do in the 50 minutes I'm going to give you three days a week while I still eat these cookies, Lord, whatever you can do with that.
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Guest Speaker
I watched Nora Smith. Her children wanted Pop Tarts. I thought she was gonna go to the grocery store. This girl done went and got wheat out the grass. She about to turn the wheat into bread to make the Pop Tart. I don't have time for that. Okay. The more that I see the process, the more that it changes whether or not I really want that result. And it is no wonder why researchers and sociologists are beginning to recognize this.
Pastor Dobbins
Whoa.
Host/Moderator
I know it seems like we're wearing out the process, but in our text, Jesus is in the process of yielding to the cross. The historian Josephus says he's about to get about 360 thorns braided together, pushed on his head. Scholars say he suffered a type of asthma, hypovolemic shock. This means that through his temples, now what? He. He already bled drops of blood. He is about to experience his temples blood running down, irrecognizable. There was no beauty upon him. Then. There are other historical aspects, along with tag teaming in the book of Isaiah, how they picked his beard out his. Josephus says about 500 Roman soldiers slapped him on the face.
Pastor Cora
They then.
Host/Moderator
The Bible does not say that he had 39 strikes, but we know it from history. Also, we tag teamed with Paul, who says, I was beaten 40 less 1 because Paul respected Jesus so much for his crucifixion and getting out of his own way that he says, I won't even say 39, that I was beaten 39 times or with 39 stripes. He is about to enter into this hour because this is his process. And I'm wondering if I have some preachers who can summarize how in the world with one of these questions that goes with this clip. How do I apply? How do I apply keeping the process without getting discouraged or distracted? Because Pastor Sarah said, she said, I saw the body. I'm like, yes. But then when I saw the process, it makes you get discouraged. It makes you get distracted. How do we go through the process faithfully?
Pastor Cora
Well, so. So for me, when I'm. When I'm reading the text, I don't always take Jesus as the main character in the text. So while he is the main character in this text, I don't think Jesus is the only one going through the process. I think Peter, James, and John is going through a process too, because he wakes them up and he says, the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. So he has a conversation with them while he's grieving. So he's teaching them too. So for me, this is an opportunity that God wakes him up three times. Jesus wakes him up three times to say, hey, listen, your spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. So he's telling them, listen, you will get distracted. So, which says to me, sleep can be a distraction. Sleep is not always rest. Sometimes you gotta figure out what is making me nod off. And I don't mean nod off as in going to sleep. I mean what is causing me to miss God's word? What is causing me to miss a divine moment in my life to where God has invited me in, but I'm missing it. Who is causing me to miss it? Who is causing me to go to sleep? What situation is making me almost like narcoleps? What is causing me to do this? And I think when we stop and realize it here, I'm put this way because Jesus knows he's going to need them later. So he doesn't discourage them to say, I'm going to make you demonic. Here's the word thing we do with people. We throw them away because they hurt us once. Okay, okay, I'm going to say this. Y' all get mad at me. I'm going to add another letter. I'm going to add a W. Can we add a W? Here's the W. There's a difference between. Between weakness and wickedness.
Dr. Crumpton
Oh, here we go.
Host/Moderator
W. We go.
Pastor Dobbins
W's weakness and wickedness.
Pastor Cora
Sleep is weakness. People doing the same thing to you over and over again and you allowing to do it is wickedness.
Host/Moderator
Oh, God. Oh, God.
Pastor Cora
So sometimes we throw people away because they did not be what they want them to be in the season that we be in.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah, I understood it exactly. That's cool, what you said.
Pastor Cora
And I said that jokingly because Jesus said, could you not sleep? Could you not stay up with me and pray with me? He expected to do something that they wasn't in that season, but he didn't throw them away. Don't throw people away all the time because they were not what you need to be in that season. Because Jesus gave a word for them earlier. I' ma need you later.
Host/Moderator
So you're saying we're asleep, sleeping on ourselves and sleeping on people while sleeping on the process.
Pastor Dobbins
Well, and then the other thing is, Jesus is going through a process for the process, for the promise of who we are to become. He's doing all of this based off an idea of who you're going to be. He makes the promise. God makes the promise of victory so big for Jesus that it was okay for him to go through the process. So sometimes you're having trouble with going through the process because your promise isn't big enough. Your vision that you are believing God for isn't big enough. So it doesn't make it worth the process. But if what you were believing God for was so big. Yeah, beat me. I'll take the cross for the victory and the idea of who they're going to be. I will be nailed to a cross for the idea of who they will be when they grow up and who they will call.
Host/Moderator
Come on.
Pastor Dobbins
When they grow up. I will get pierced in my side for the idea of the process of you. He died. He died for the process of you.
Pastor Cora
That was good.
Dr. Crumpton
Now turn. My turn.
Host/Moderator
I almost went up.
Dr. Crumpton
Pick me. Pick me.
Host/Moderator
Because prove that Jesus somewhat is the main character because he becomes the blueprint. There are other characters, but Jesus is the blueprint at the end of the process.
Pastor Dobbins
At the end of the process.
Dr. Crumpton
Okay. Can pick me. Absolutely.
Pastor Dobbins
So.
Dr. Crumpton
So to that point and to your point, Pastor, could it be that Jesus took Peter, James and John with him because he wanted to show them how to go through their process?
Pastor Dobbins
Come on.
Pastor Cora
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Dr. Crumpton
How was Peter. How did Peter die?
Host/Moderator
Crucified. Upside down.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Crumpton
So did. Is it possible that Jesus. Because he already knew. But out. You're sleeping. And I'm trying to show you how to go through that process you're going to go through. That's a question.
Pastor Dobbins
I'm trying. I'm trying to show you how to get through your process. You're taking a nap.
Pastor Cora
That question.
Dr. Crumpton
I'm trying to show you how to go through this.
Pastor Cora
I'm trying to show you.
Dr. Crumpton
And you sleep.
Pastor Dobbins
You Night, night.
Pastor Cora
Not only are you on this strategy. Can. Can you put verse 46 up there? Because sometimes. Here's what we do wrong. Doc. When she says. When, Doc.
Host/Moderator
Verse 46.
Pastor Cora
Yeah. Put 46 up there. He says, rise. Let us be going. Yeah.
Pastor Dobbins
That's what.
Pastor Cora
And sometimes we make a house in the garden.
Pastor Dobbins
Right, Right.
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah, that's true.
Pastor Cora
Sometimes we make a home in the process.
Guest Speaker
Yeah.
Dr. Crumpton
Because we think he leading us to green pastures. Go ahead.
Pastor Cora
When he's saying go through it.
Pastor Dobbins
Go on.
Pastor Cora
We're not standing Gethsemane.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah.
Pastor Cora
Because I got to get to the cross.
Pastor Dobbins
Walk through the valley. Walk through this, walk through it.
Pastor Cora
And some of us are stuck in 1970-1980-1990-2000. What somebody did to you. When you need to rise, get up and move. Because not only do you need to go through it. You need to keep moving.
Dr. Crumpton
Yep.
Pastor Cora
The garden is incubation.
Pastor Dobbins
The betrayal is going to unlock your purpose.
Pastor Cora
Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.
Pastor Dobbins
See?
Host/Moderator
Oh, God.
Pastor Dobbins
That's how that happened. Don't surprise. And let's go see the betrayer. Because if we don't see him, he won't be able to expose me. And if he doesn't expose me, I won't be able to do what God sent me down here to do. And if, if I don't do what God sent me down here to do, then I let the cup pass.
Pastor Cora
So. So I need my enemy to expose me.
Pastor Dobbins
I have to let you expose.
Pastor Cora
So I need Judas.
Pastor Dobbins
It's a part of my purpose.
Pastor Cora
So I need people that don't like me to point me out.
Host/Moderator
Y' all better preach this thing.
Pastor Dobbins
A promise without betrayers.
Pastor Cora
So I don't need to rebuke them. I need them to stay in front of me. I need Judas because I need a table.
Pastor Dobbins
I have to have a table prepared in the presence of my enemy.
Host/Moderator
Y' all better preach this sin.
Dr. Crumpton
Y' all better preach.
Pastor Cora
And the problem with some of us, when the enemy comes, we don't know how to keep on eating.
Pastor Dobbins
I'm rebuke it, baby.
Pastor Cora
I'mma keep on eating. You want to rebuke it, you should keep on eating.
Pastor Dobbins
Sit down at this table and have a bite.
Host/Moderator
So this is why Jesus rebukes Peter and calls Judas friend.
Pastor Dobbins
Exactly.
Host/Moderator
Okay, okay. We, we, exactly. We, we, we, we. We got to stop because we're having too much fun.
Pastor Dobbins
But I, I.
Host/Moderator
Something, something arrested my attention.
Pastor Dobbins
Something arrested your attention.
Host/Moderator
Listen, I'm going to use bad English preachers Be lying. We like and this is my last clothes. But you think of something else. Pastor Cora started talking about the garden earlier. And I thought about the betrayal that the seed must have felt because it leaves the gardener's hand and goes down into the ground. In the darkness underneath the ground, sometimes there's snakes, moles, worms. It's trapped underneath. And I thought about the fact that somebody in this audience. You feel like God has buried you. You feel dead, you feel dark, you feel trapped, you feel alone. Imagine the seed is trying to struggle to get water in the midst of rocks and everything else. But the Lord told me to tell you that you have not been buried. You have just been planted. You are about to bloom. Water is coming to your street. If you just keep walking through the process, the promise is near.
Pastor Dobbins
Somebody said, don't confuse your garden for a Grave. I don't know who may have said it, but somebody said y' all confusing your garden for graves.
Pastor Cora
And you know how you can prove it? Keep water in the seed and the word of God.
Pastor Dobbins
Could it be that Jesus was a seed in the garden of gethsemane?
Host/Moderator
That's John 12 and 24.
Pastor Dobbins
Come on. To be resurrected again with victory and all power in his hand. We see he has to die of himself in this garden that he might be resurrected in the garden, in this tomb and rise again.
Pastor Cora
Come on.
Pastor Dobbins
After being buried. Why have you forsaken me? I feel dark. It's dark. I'm down here. You've forsaken me.
Dr. Crumpton
I'm.
Pastor Dobbins
I'm in the dark.
Pastor Cora
Come on.
Pastor Dobbins
Dead and buried in this tomb, only to find out that it wasn't ever a tomb. It was a garden.
Pastor Cora
There, there.
Host/Moderator
The process comes to make you a version of who God has really called you to be with.
Pastor Dobbins
That's what she said.
Pastor Cora
There is. There is. I know we had some questions, but there is. When. When a seed is planted. There was a.
Host/Moderator
You said smoothie. Put that in. Pro.
Pastor Cora
Pro.
Host/Moderator
I'm just telling you.
Pastor Cora
There's a process called germination. Germination is when the old skin falls off. And the version that's in.
Host/Moderator
Don't you do it. Don't you do it.
Pastor Cora
I'm trying not to. And I think we don't understand. The only way the old fall off is this. When we're planted properly in the right garden and we think God is trying to kill us when he's really trying to piss us.
Dr. Crumpton
My, my, my.
Pastor Dobbins
Get a T shirt and take a.
Host/Moderator
Nap because the master wants what's in you, not what you've been fronting on the outside of you.
Dr. Crumpton
Wow.
Host/Moderator
Unless a grain of wheat fall to the ground and die, it abides alone. Which means that really, your victory is about to hit your whole house, your whole family, your whole neighborhood, your whole job, your whole business, your customers, your clients. And.
Pastor Dobbins
And everybody, they not clapping like they believe.
Host/Moderator
Looking outside of you, thinking that the rocks, the molds, the snakes in the darkness are haters. No, they're just congratulating you. You think congratulations come with hand claps? No, congratulations come with pushing you like irritation that makes this oyster become a pearl. Yeah, okay. All right, Dr. Crumpton, I. I just.
Dr. Crumpton
Don'T know what to do next.
Host/Moderator
Listen, y', all, this is what we want to do. We want to dialogue. This is about growing your faith and building who you are. When we talk about. Walk it out Wednesday we are walking the word out, taking the sermon, and allowed to be extrapolated and detailed out in your life. So we tried to do part of that. Can y' all give. Can. Can. Listen, can y' all give this amazing crew a hand here? Come on, come on, come on. Glory to God. Glory to God. We. We are not teaching and preaching and getting excited on Sundays just to make you shout. We want to make sure that you really learn the lesson that the master would have for you to learn, that all of us would have to learn. So here's what we're going to do. Listen, I've got. Listen, I've got the tallest guy in the room here. We've got Pastor Frank Dyer. Would you stand up, Pastor Frank Dyer.
Pastor Cora
Pastor Frank.
Host/Moderator
He is going to be on my left and then, Doc, come on. Can you give it up for Dr. Cora Jake? She's going to be on my right. We will try to take the first two. We might have time for another. If you've got a burning question, let's articulate with great authority and sincerity. Run to the mic as quick as you can. We could probably only take two or three. Who are you? Who are you? You just had something burning that you really need to be answered. You got to move your feet. You got to rock and roll. Okay, okay.
Dr. Crumpton
Come on. Move, move.
Pastor Dobbins
Come on. And be rest on a Wednesday Bible study. You better look nice, you better be fancy. I like it.
Dr. Crumpton
This is it. This is all we can take after these.
Pastor Dobbins
And I just want to ask.
Pastor Cora
Do.
Pastor Dobbins
You get your identity during the process or after the process?
Host/Moderator
Oh, God.
Pastor Dobbins
Very good question.
Host/Moderator
Oh, God. I think I'll let my colleagues correspond and back me up. First of all, thank you for having the audacity to ask that question. I think is a cross pollination of the two. The end goal is not about identity. The end goal is about acceptance. Knowing that you are accepted in the beloved. That's Ephesians 1 and 3. God has already blessed you with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Knowing that you are accepted by God, your identity might be one way at 10, another at 20, another at 30 and another at 40. You're going. The goal is to keep growing into who God has ultimately called you to be. Anybody else want to add?
Dr. Crumpton
I would just like to add to that. As. As pastor was talking and when I heard your question, I remember In March of 1984, I was in my mom's basement. I was going through so much. I mean, it was like excruciating pain. And I said to The Lord, what do you want from me? What is this about? Why are you allowing me to do this, to go through this? I don't understand it. And all he said to me was preach my word. I had no clue of why I was going through so much and I didn't want to preach. I wasn't one of those that wanted to do this.
Host/Moderator
I. I don't see how I did.
Dr. Crumpton
And he said, preach my word. And when I accepted who he was calling me to be, the process got a little easier. It didn't stop. It didn't stop it by any means, but I was able to handle the tension. Now that I understood why I was going through the process.
Pastor Cora
I'll answer real quick. For me, identity is not a destination, it's a journey. You always evolving. Mothers, fathers, sons, uncles, and oftentimes we think identity is just your name. It's not your name. God, can. I started. I didn't start off as a preacher. If you knew how I started, you would never listen to me. So my identity shift. So I would say it's the journey. So I would agree with Pastor Dobbs. It's a combination of the. Both during it and after it.
Host/Moderator
That is beautiful. I want to say one last thing. I want to break a rule and add something else in there. I feel led to tell you this will take my maybe 30 seconds. By the time I really got to know my father, I was like 10 years old. I grew up in a home with a stepfather who was both a heroin addict, alcoholic, you name it, he was physically and sexually abusive. They got us out the home, connected us with my father, got to live with him for a few months, and then we moved away. My father died by the time I was 12. So I spent a lot of my life looking from coaches to teachers to principals, you name it. Ultimately landing here at the Potter's house with Bishop a fathering spirit. What I sense sometimes, particularly the men in this audience, we don't fully know who we are because our identity has not been wrapped in the love of a father who affirmed us. And I'm not. I want to challenge every man, but I also want to show grace, because sometimes the men that fathered you didn't know who he was. I have four sons. Something just hit my spirit. I want to speak to you as a father. There is greatness in you, son.
Dr. Crumpton
Yes, sir.
Pastor Cora
Go hug him. Yeah. Go hug him. Yeah.
Host/Moderator
I felt that he needed. I felt that. I love you.
Dr. Crumpton
Come on. Come on.
Pastor Cora
Absolutely.
Pastor Dobbins
Come on.
Pastor Cora
That's so good.
Dr. Crumpton
This is a Healing moment.
Pastor Cora
Absolutely.
Dr. Crumpton
It's a healing moment. Hallelujah.
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Dr. Crumpton
Let'S go to the next question.
Host/Moderator
Pastor, Here we go.
Pastor Cora
My question was, how do you have peace and happiness around your haters when all you feel was anger?
Pastor Dobbins
Told you that you had to have peace around your haters, huh? Who told you that you had to have peace around your haters?
Pastor Cora
My mother.
Pastor Dobbins
Oh, your mama. Oh, well, I can't fight your mom.
Pastor Cora
Can't fight the mom.
Pastor Dobbins
Go ahead, y'.
Dr. Crumpton
All.
Host/Moderator
Mama said, well, we. We would never fight the words of your mother. But what I hear is mom trying to tell you that everything's going to be all right in the midst of people around you. But sometimes this is what Dr. Crumpton opened with the protection of her children initially, which actually took them out of the process. Keep walking through the process. Don't be distracted by haters or people against you. The fire is just fuel for your future. Use the fire as fuel for your future.
Dr. Crumpton
And don't think you're alone.
Pastor Cora
Right.
Dr. Crumpton
We all have haters. You're not the only one, baby. We all. Everybody in this room has at least one hater, has at least one betrayal.
Pastor Cora
Listen.
Dr. Crumpton
At least one. So if you're in the company of two or three or four, you doing good.
Pastor Cora
I'll even say this. If you don't have no haters, you ain't that gifted.
Pastor Dobbins
That's what I was gonna say.
Pastor Cora
But for me, for me, my haters are like Peter as he walked on the water. If I pay attention to the wind, I'm gonna sink. Yeah, they gonna be there. Just don't pay attention to them. They're gonna always be there. Like, you can't do anything about it. But as soon as you lose your focus off Jesus, you'll begin to sink. So they're gonna be there. Just don't pay them no attention. Like, thank you.
Pastor Dobbins
Focus on the table. Focus on the table.
Pastor Cora
Focus on the table.
Pastor Dobbins
Focus on the table that the Lord is preparing. And just know, like, it's gonna be losers around you. You Know, like, that's just, like, you know, it's just going to happen. You know, they're just going to be around. And he told us, you know, it's not like a surprise. He said, I'm going to prepare a table before you in the presence of your enemy.
Host/Moderator
Your enemy.
Pastor Dobbins
So, like, sit down and eat. Like, don't be bothered. I'm preparing the table. I didn't stop preparing it because they're around.
Host/Moderator
Come on, Pastor Corey.
Pastor Dobbins
So you don't stop sitting at it because they're around. Focus on the table.
Host/Moderator
Beautiful.
Pastor Dobbins
Listen, sorry, Mama. I. I didn't know. I didn't know.
Host/Moderator
I love these answers. We've got time for the last. We've got time for two more questions. We'll take one here and one here. Thank you, my brother. Yes, ma'. Am.
Pastor Dobbins
Praise the Lord. Everyone, could it be. My question is the process requires faith, and is it that our faith now is on trial because Jesus says, will I find anything faith when I come? And that I'm wondering if it's the process because we're all going to go through this process to get to the cross.
Host/Moderator
And Pastor Cora, feel free to jump in as well.
Dr. Crumpton
I don't think faith that the process depends on your level of faith, because as I said before, we're going to go through the process regardless. And some. And when you don't know it's a process, then your faith has no play in the process. But when faith comes in, when you understand that this is a process, that's. Then that's just my perspective, because process is process is process. Whether faith is there or not, it's a process. But once we determine this is a process, that. And she said, and Pastor Sarah said, he's the God of the process. So if he's the God of the process, then your faith, when you know he's the God of this process, then your faith will ultimately and automatically stand up in place where it should be.
Pastor Dobbins
Yeah, I think the testing of your faith is a part of the process. The ability to believe and trust that God is going to get you through it is a part of that process. And so it's not will I find a faith? It's will you hold your faith while being shaken in this process? I'm putting you in the lion's den. Will you hold your faith while you're in this den? I'm putting you in the fire. Not because I don't think you believe, but will you hold to your belief? In uncomfortable environments, we can trust God in comfort. We can trust God in favor, but can you trust him in the fire, in the testing, in the pain, in the hurt? Can you hold your faith when you're being shaken? I think that's what. What the testing of our faith is. It's a part of, of the process.
Host/Moderator
I see the head nod, you got your answer.
Pastor Cora
I think that the process is also the tool that God uses to build your faith.
Dr. Crumpton
That's good too.
Pastor Cora
He want to strengthen your faith. He takes you through a process. Yeah, you want to be strong in an area. He takes you through a process. You want something better in your life, he takes you through a process. So I think it's the vehicle, it's the springboard that he uses to. To expose us, the strength that we actually have.
Host/Moderator
Beautiful, beautiful. Ready to rock and roll.
Pastor Cora
All right, I've got Ms. Nakima here.
Host/Moderator
She has a question for us.
Dr. Crumpton
Do you ever feel like your faith is too high? All the time, girl.
Pastor Dobbins
Like, I be on 10, you know, I wake up and I be like, are you as worried as you should be about how much I believe God today? You know, like sometimes it does get that way. And I ask God to challenge my faith when it gets to that place of I really do not care about the devil. Like, I really do not care about the devil. And so sometimes I have to ask, like, challenge my faith because he so insignificant that I need you to challenge me in some way so that I can strengthen it even more. I have always subscribed to the idea that if we can have mountain sized faith, then go for it. He said you can have faith the size of a mustard seed. That was like a minimum requirement. You can have a mountain sized faith and be a threat and a beast to the enemy. And that's what I'm going for. I want to wake up in the morning and be a threat to the enemy every day.
Pastor Cora
What I want to say is this. She is right. But don't ever let the enemy use that as a tool against you.
Pastor Dobbins
Right?
Pastor Cora
Yes. Think of yourself more highly when it comes to your faith. Like, do I have too much faith? Yes, I have too much faith. Because that's the type of God we serve. He is the God of too much.
Host/Moderator
You gotta be steady in the storm.
Pastor Cora
Here we go.
Host/Moderator
She has a second part and then.
Pastor Dobbins
I'll shut it down when you talk about the process. Right. So I give myself maybe 24 hours.
Dr. Crumpton
To have a pity moment.
Pastor Dobbins
And then my faith kicks in. And the next day I'm like, let's get it. So I have to balance between am I crazy? Like, should I be worried about this? But I'm really not. And. But my question is, okay, keep going through the process and it keeps showing me. And so you said, like, you know, if you want more, you have to go through more. So you don't have a point where you don't feel crazy. Because sometimes I feel almost crazy that my faith don't feel crazy. You're doing faith wrong. It's crazy to build an ark in the middle of nowhere.
Host/Moderator
Come on here.
Pastor Dobbins
Crazy faith to talk about rain. You ain't never seen that. You are building a whole ark. We ain't even heard of an ark before. We ain't never heard of no rain. And you are not only telling us it's gonna rain, it's gonna flood. What is a flood? That's crazy. It doesn't make any sense. You're 90 some years old. You're about to birth a child. That's crazy. It doesn't make any sense. You've been bleeding for 12 years. You touched a garment and it dried up. That's crazy. Doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense. You climbed a tree blind. That's crazy. It doesn't make any sense. If your faith doesn't sound crazy, it ain't big enough.
Pastor Cora
Watch this. Anyone in here that has done something and you thought you were crazy, but you knew it was God, said, stand up.
Pastor Dobbins
Doing something that is crazy, but you know it is God. Stay standing.
Pastor Cora
You are not by yourself. Listen, God told me to move to Dallas. I was like, whoa, crazy.
Pastor Dobbins
Listen, it be crazy.
Host/Moderator
So the whole time this was to stir up your faith?
Dr. Crumpton
Yeah, yeah.
Host/Moderator
Can we give God a praise for stirring up our faith?
Pastor Dobbins
If I could just piggyback just a smidge on the identity thing. Sometimes the best way to walk in your identity is to declare it. To begin to declare in the mirror who you are according to the word of God. I am fearfully and wonderfully made. I am a masterpiece. I am a conqueror. No weapon formed against me shall be able to prosper. I am a servant of the most high God. God is my father. He is raising me. I am secure in who God has called me to be and begin to declare that daily. Sometimes you have to do it until you believe it. You're not going to believe it the first time you say it in the mirror. You're not going to believe it the second time. But eventually the devil's going to stop tormenting you because. Because of what you're declaring. When you start to declare the word over your life, you become even more of a threat to the enemy because he is starting to see that you're sharpening your weapon. The word of God is your sword. It is the weapon that you use to slay every giant in your way. And so the more word you get, the more sharp your sword is. When the devil shows up, all you had to do is show him your sword and he'll back down. Like when you see this shield. Go and have a seat. When you see this faith, when you see this word, when you see what I know about me, that God has said about me, you're going to stop tormenting me. So a lot of times our identity is wrapped up in what we've been declaring. What is your I am? Whatever your I am is, God is.
Host/Moderator
Dr. Crumpton.
Dr. Crumpton
And just make sure that what you're declaring is God's word, not affirmations from anyone else. But what supersedes any affirmation is God's word, because what his word says is who and what you are. Tell somebody. I'm going to declare the word over my life. And you know, what I've seen in this moment, in these last few days, in Sunday's service or Sunday's message, and then tonight, was that the church is going through processes. And many of God's people right now are experiencing something they had no clue how to deal with. But the Lord has sent us here this week, this past Sunday, tonight, to pray for those of you who are going through the process of the garden, whatever that looks like in your life right now. We're going to take a few moments and ask you to join us right here at the altar. Because processes get hard. Processes can be overwhelming. Processes can take you under when you don't understand what they are. My, my, my. God knows what you need because he's the God of the process. And he would not allow you to go through something that he wouldn't give you. The strength, the tenacity, the fortitude, the power, the authority, the anointing, the ability to go through. He's taking you through a process. He's taking you through a process. Come on. The altar is still open. The altar is still open. My, my, my, my. Don't go through this process by yourself. Don't think you can handle it alone. He sent a word to let you know he's here to take you through this, that somebody else is going through a process with you. It may not be the same one, but there is a process going on in my life, in your life, in Somebody you know's life, there's a process, and the process is so that he can get you to your promise. My, my, my. I'm going to ask pastor Corda to pray over all these at the altar. I'm going to ask the elders and ministers are in the pews to come and just walk with them and pray with them as we pray, as pastor Cora prays. My, my. In this moment, whether you're going through a process with someone else or you're going through by yourself, we're going to pray with you right now and believe that you believe that he is the God of your process.
Pastor Dobbins
Pastor Cora, everybody just take a deep breath.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Jesus.
Pastor Dobbins
There is victory in your breath.
Dr. Crumpton
Yes, God.
Pastor Dobbins
There is victory in every state step that you take, even the ones you took to get here.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you, Lord.
Pastor Dobbins
There is victory in your process. There's victory in your garden, God.
Dr. Crumpton
Hallelujah.
Pastor Dobbins
We're at this altar not because we're perfect, not because we are not tired.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you.
Pastor Dobbins
We're at this altar because we're weary.
Dr. Crumpton
Yes, God.
Pastor Dobbins
We're at this altar because we're tired. We're at this altar because the process has gotten heavy. We're asking God, would you let this cut pass? But nevertheless, hallelujah. Teach us how to walk in a nevertheless mindset.
Dr. Crumpton
My, my, my.
Pastor Dobbins
How to surrender when it's heavy, when it's hard. Teach us how to trust you when we cannot trace your will and your way in our life. Teach us, God, how to grow in grief and in groans and in pain. Teach us, oh, God, how to respect the process so that we can value the promise better.
Dr. Crumpton
Hallelujah.
Pastor Dobbins
Need you, God.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you, Lord.
Pastor Dobbins
For every cut, for every bleeding soul.
Dr. Crumpton
My, my, my.
Pastor Dobbins
For every cross we have bear.
Dr. Crumpton
Hallelujah.
Pastor Dobbins
For the ones we threw away, God.
Dr. Crumpton
Hallelujah. There are.
Pastor Dobbins
There are seeds buried right now.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you, Lord.
Pastor Dobbins
In the ground in their garden. They are dying of themselves.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you.
Pastor Dobbins
That you might rise up in them, God. Resurrect yourself in each and every one of them under the sound of my voice. Let your power be made known. May the gates of hell not prevail against them. Your word declares that if we surrender to being your servant, no weapon formed against us shall be able. So we surrender to be in your service.
Dr. Crumpton
My, my, my.
Pastor Dobbins
We give you our lives tonight.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you, Jesus.
Pastor Dobbins
We give you our will, our tears, our weight. We give it to you. Your word said cast our cares upon you. We're doing it now. We're doing it now. We're doing it now. We're doing it now. Break us, God, so you can build us. Crush us, God, so you can get the oil. Do it now.
Dr. Crumpton
Hallelujah.
Pastor Dobbins
Deliver us, O God. From every sinful nature. Deliver us, oh God. From weak faith, Deliver us, oh God. From fighting the process instead of receiving it. Deliver us, O God. From calling our gardens graves. Deliver us, God. That we may soar, that we may surrender, that we may be successful. That we may have victory. Victory. Give us our voice back, God, if only that we may worship you in spirit and in truth. Open up the windows of heaven and pour us out a blessing that we do not have room enough to receive. God, show us how you're watering us. Show us that we are still a concern of yours. God. I even ask you to touch Jamaica. Touch right now. Everyone that is going to be affected by this hurricane. God, you are yet still in the winds and the waves and the rain. You are the God of the weather. You spoke to the storm and you said, peace, be still. We activate a peace. Be still. In the name of Jesus. Let our faith activate a peace. Be still. For the storms in our life that we are facing the hurricanes. In our life that we are facing. Peace.
Dr. Crumpton
Peace.
Pastor Dobbins
Be still.
Dr. Crumpton
Peace.
Pastor Dobbins
God, we thank you for your blood.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you, Jesus.
Pastor Dobbins
We thank you for your blood that saves us.
Dr. Crumpton
Hallelujah.
Pastor Dobbins
We thank you that you died for the process of us. You died for the process of our victory. You died for the process of our peace. You died for the process of our healing. You died for the process of our grace. You died for our process. And today we die for your promise. And we thank you, God, we thank you. For we believe and we confess with our mouth and we believe with our heart that you died for our sins. That you are coming back again to redeem us all. And until then, we will be the sons that have been set free. And we will say so. We will say we have been redeemed by your blood. We surrender everything that we have to you. And we ask you to do your greatest work in us and for us. Bless every home. Bless every heart.
Dr. Crumpton
Thank you.
Pastor Dobbins
Bless every soul. Bless every process.
Dr. Crumpton
Hallelujah.
Pastor Dobbins
For it is so. And so it is. In Jesus name. Amen. And Amen again.
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This episode of Walk It Out Wednesday builds on Sunday’s sermon theme: “Get Out of Your Way.” The pastoral panel—including Pastor Cora, Pastor Dobbins, Dr. Crumpton, and the Host—breaks down what it means to “walk out” God’s word by identifying how we often become obstacles in our own spiritual journey. The discussion centers around Jesus’ struggle in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matthew 26:36-46), drawing parallels between Jesus’ process and our own, and emphasizing the necessity of surrender, process, and vulnerability to walk into our divine promise.
Q: Do you get your identity during the process or after?
Q: How do you have peace and happiness around your haters?
The episode is vibrant, passionate, and candid—characterized by spiritual intensity, occasional humor (banter about sports teams and “ants in the pants”), and a loving but challenging encouragement for spiritual growth. The panelists “amen” and riff off each other, keeping a fast-paced yet deeply scriptural conversation.
The panel powerfully reframes suffering and process not as punishment, but as preparation. They urge listeners to stop self-sabotage, to be honest about personal hindrances, and to value the pain and waiting as integral to purpose. Process, surrender, faith, and perseverance are “walked out” through daily devotion, discernment in relationships, vulnerability, and a continual “nevertheless” to God’s will.
For those feeling stuck, betrayed, or “in the garden,” the message is: You are planted, not buried. The pain is part of the promise—embrace it, grow through it, and keep walking it out.
"Nevertheless"—let your walk reflect your will to surrender so your promise can be fulfilled.