Walk It Out Wednesday: Make a Move

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Potter's House Podcast

Episode: Walk It Out Wednesday: Make a Move
Date: September 11, 2025
Host: The Potter's House
Panelists: Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins, Dr. Crumpton, Pastor Anthony, Pastor Sarah, Dr. James

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Episode Overview

This dynamic episode of "Walk It Out Wednesday" delves into the biblical and practical dimensions of making moves in faith, even amid uncertainty, fear, grief, or self-doubt. Guided by an engaged panel of pastors and teachers, the conversation centers on Abraham’s journey in Genesis 12, the struggles and questions around faith from Mark 9, and how these scriptures reflect the real-life tension between belief and uncertainty. The theme "Make a Move" is woven throughout, urging listeners to step forward, even when afraid, trusting God to meet them on the journey.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power and Challenge of Faith

• Genesis & Mark 9 Parallel: The episode draws a parallel between Abraham’s obedience in Genesis and the father's desperate plea in Mark 9 ("Lord, I believe; help my unbelief"). Both involve imperfect faith met with God's faithfulness.
• Faith is Movement: Faith is not a stationary attribute but an active, moving force—“making a move” is both a spiritual and a physical/mental act (42:08, 69:44).

“Faith first. Don't make a move until you believe it. In here.”
— Dr. Crumpton (67:30)

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2. Origin Stories: Abraham’s Call and Ours

• Context for Genesis 12: Pastor Anthony lays out the context and structure of Genesis, describing how the "law of first mention" sets a blueprint for the rest of scripture (05:25).
• Abram’s Imperfection: Discussion uncovers how Abraham, though celebrated for faith, acted out of fear, partial obedience, and default behaviors.

“Sometimes people look at what you have, but they don't know where you started ... They don't know the receipt of what you had to pay for where you are right now.”
— Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (11:38)

• The Plague as Protection: God’s intervention via plagues in Egypt was not punishment but protection—a form of grace that emerges when we veer off course (15:00).

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3. Selective Hearing & The Process of "Being Made"

• Hearing the Comfortable, Not the Challenging: The panel explores how humans latch onto promises of blessing (“I will make your name great”) while tuning out the demanding steps in-between (“I will make” vs. “you are”).
• Power Without Process: Emphasizes that the making, not just the blessing, is essential.

“We want the name, we want the blessing—make my name ... He said, okay, I'm going to make it. So in other words, I'm going to put you in a position you don't want to be in so I can make a better version of yourself.”
— Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (17:17)

• Jumping Off the Potter’s Wheel: Using Jeremiah’s potter imagery, they discuss the temptation to exit the refining process prematurely, especially when the ‘wheel’—life’s season of shaping—gets “hot” or uncomfortable (19:03).

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4. Dealing with Grief, Default Behaviors, and Obedience

• Carrying Too Much: The significance of Lot (Abram's nephew) is examined as an example of how grief and misplaced loyalty to past relationships can lead us into disobedience and further complications (23:23-24:46).
• Excusing or Addressing Disobedience: The question is raised whether human emotions like grief justify disobedience—and the resounding answer: God’s instruction must take precedence.

“So, I mean, should it be okay that he took Lot even though he was grieving?”
“It's not okay.”
— Dr. Crumpton & Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (24:37-24:46)

• God’s Grace in Our Defaults: Even when we act in fear or revert to comfortable old habits, God’s grace—sometimes appearing as a “plague” or interruption—intervenes (25:36-25:46).

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5. Faith Amidst Fear: Making Moves Even When Uncertain

• Question from John: “How do you make a move without the fear of failure?” (27:37)
• Panel Response:
  • You might not; sometimes, you act while fearful. The key is to “feel the fear and do it anyway” if you’ve heard from God (28:01).
  • Faith and fear can coexist—what matters is which one you act upon.

“Sometimes you have to feel the fear and the feeling and do it anyway. The question is, did you hear from God?”
— Pastor Anthony (28:12)

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6. Resting in God’s Word

• Rest as a Mindset: True rest is not merely physical but mental—a peace that rests on God’s promises, even amid storms (33:03).

“Resting is not a pillow. Resting is a mindset. So you can be woke and still resting.”
— Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (33:03)

• Remembering What He Said: Anchoring oneself in scripture provides stability.

“God's word says He giveth His beloved sleep. Everything we're going through has a scripture attached to it ... Put the word of God on it.”
— Pastor Anthony (34:17)

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7. Battling Unworthiness and Perception

• Nicole’s Question: “I believe God has the power ... but struggle that he won’t do it for me. How can I believe He’ll come through for someone not righteous?” (36:57)
• Panel Reassures: Everyone wrestles with feelings of unworthiness. Righteousness comes by faith, not flawless performance (39:08).

“He will come through for you, regardless of your present state ... God will count you righteous, and he will come through for you, Nicole.”
— Dr. Crumpton (41:20)

• Perception Problem: Addressing the 'grasshopper complex' from Numbers 13, they urge listeners to see themselves as God does—not as small, but as equipped and chosen.

“We think we're unrighteous, but we're measuring ourselves against a giant who doesn't even know who I am ... When I see myself as a giant, I move like a giant.”
— Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (43:03)

• Surround Yourself with Giants: Being in proximity to those whose faith is greater can help build yours (45:35).

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8. Faith is a Mental Shift and Requires the Right Circle

• Redirection of Energy: Fear and depression, like faith, require mental energy. Choosing what you’ll believe, and the voices you prioritize in your life, shapes your future moves (49:49-51:40).
• Be Cognizant of Your Circle: The belief or unbelief of those around you will impact your trajectory (55:21-55:31).

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9. The Power of Proximity and Vision

• Transfiguration and Space: Dr. James links Mark 9's healing failure to proximity—that mountaintop experiences (with Jesus) bring greater faith and vision, while staying “at the bottom” limits perspective and possibility (58:36-62:47).

“They had a view of themselves but not a bigger view of Jesus ... It takes more than just believe. It takes a bigger vision of who God is.”
— Dr. James (60:14)

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10. Making the Move: Decision, Movement, and Echo

• Faith Is Movement: The story of the four lepers (2 Kings 7) exemplifies that moving, even in darkness ("twilight"), activates God’s power: as they move, panic spreads among enemies. Spiritual change requires physical and mental movement (69:59).

“When you move, God will cause your footsteps to sound like echoes ... God is going to make your next financial investment sound like an army.”
— Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (69:59-71:00)

• Don’t Wait for Resources: Step out first—resources and breakthroughs follow movement, not the reverse (71:20).

• Letting Go of “Lot”: Moving forward may require releasing people and attachments from past seasons. Loyalty to last season can keep you from blessings in the next (84:14).

"Even if I have to leave a lot behind, I'm moving forward. … Just because they were meant for last season don't mean they're meant for next season."
— Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (84:14)

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Timestamps for Noteworthy Segments

• Breath of God and Genesis as Foundation: 04:08–07:17
• Selective Hearing, Power of Making: 15:55–18:00
• Carrying Lot, Acting from Grief: 23:23–25:46
• Rest as a Mindset, The Power of God’s Word: 33:03–36:17
• Overcoming Unworthiness (Nicole’s Q): 36:57–45:35
• Faith is Redirected Energy: 49:49–51:40
• Right Circles & Proximity to Faith: 55:21–62:47
• The Move That Echoes (Lepers in 2 Kings 7): 69:59–73:00
• Letting Go of Last Season’s Attachments: 84:14

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Notable Quotes

• On the tension of faith and doubt:
  “We talk about having faith like it comes easy, like believing is just something you stumble into, which is why we end up losing some people because they think belief should come easy. But this text suggests to us that it takes power to believe.”
  — Dr. James (49:49)

• On reaching for the next season:
  "Some of you, you are too loyal to last season. … They may not be assigned to next season. … Sometimes our loyalty to last season causes us to miss the blessing for next season."
  — Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (84:14)

• On letting God work:
  “Don’t sleep on Jesus. There are some things that he can do that he needs you to go to sleep so that he can get it done. God can't do it because you're in the way.”
  — Dr. James (29:15)

• On circle influencing faith:
  "Be careful … your circle influences your belief system."
  — Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (55:21)

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Flow and Energy

Throughout the episode, the dynamic is warm, honest, and high-energy, with panelists frequently building on one another’s points. The language is impassioned and scripturally grounded, oscillating between exegesis, testimony, and encouragement. Memorable moments include spontaneous shouts, calls to stand up and move, and transparent confessions of doubt and vulnerability—making the conversation both relatable and transformative.

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Practical Takeaways

• Faith requires movement, not just mental assent. Don’t wait for everything to be clear or safe before stepping out.
• **God’s grace often intervenes even when we mess up, illuminating the path with protection that may not look like blessing in the moment.
• Surround yourself with people of great faith. Who you listen to (and who you walk with) shapes your own belief and resilience.
• Learn to rest, not just physically but in the promises God has spoken over your life.
• Letting go is sometimes required for moving into your new season. Don’t let nostalgia or misplaced loyalty block what’s next.
• Name and own your move. There’s significance in declaring your intention and identity aloud.
• Your next provision comes after you move, not before.

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Final Call to Action:
Walk in faith, make your move—even with fear, even in uncertainty. God is moving with you, and your steps can sound like an army in the spiritual realm, unlocking resources, breakthrough, and new seasons. Don't let the past, or misplaced loyalty, hold you back from forward motion.

“I'm moving, I'm shifting, my life is changing … You don't get the resources and then move. You move and then get the resources.”
— Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins (69:59–71:20)

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For impactful spiritual insight, practical wisdom, and authentic encouragement, this episode is a must-listen for anyone feeling stuck or hesitant about their next step of faith.

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[Pastor Anthony]

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[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

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[Dr. James]

Absolutely. Whenever God meets me, I make it my personal commitment to sow a seed to build an altar. When there's something in that message that you know the light turns on or it deals with something that you have been struggling with, there is something about having this practical manifestation of that response of what God just said to you. And for me, that comes when I sow a seed.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

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[Dr. Crumpton]

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[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

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[Dr. Crumpton]

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[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

So tonight we're gonna walk it out. And tonight I don't have to walk it out by myself. I have my colleagues here with me. I won't do the introduction like he does the introductions because he so eloquently put them together as he began to introduce each other. But could y' all please put your hands together for my brother, my friend, Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins. And she'll probably get mad at me if I start talking about her educational accolades, so I won't do it. But could you please put your hands together for Dr. Crompton? Listen, we thought we'd do something different today. We got a newbie with us, but he's new to the stage, but he's not new to the educational biblical system, but he's going to kind of moderate us today. Could you put your hands together for my friend, my brother, Brother Anthony? I love you, sir. I love you. Listen, so. So tonight we're going to walk it out as the Avengers as we dive into the word of God. And I'm going to. I guess not even just started, but, brother Anthony, I want to kind of ask you a question, since you're. You're the neophyte on this stage with us. So tell me, what do you think about this just kind of even biblically, just being in this moment when it comes to Walk It Out Wednesday?

[Pastor Sarah]

Absolutely. First of all, thank y' all for letting me hang out with y' all tonight. To Pastor Torre for this opportunity as well. I'm a student of the word of God, so I love the Bible. Are there anybody in the room tonight? Is there anybody who's paper Bible saved? Like you carry your paper Bibles or that?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

That was me, right?

[Pastor Sarah]

Paper Bible, say was. That was me as a kid, and I began to develop such a. It was a lifeline to me. Second Timothy tells us that the Bible is the word of God, of course, but also that it's inspired by God. But the NIV says God breathed, so it is literally the breath of God. Just as a body is lifeless without breath, so am I without the word of God. So every time that I read the word of God, I. I inhale what God is saying. So it's no excuse for me to be lifeless when I have the word of God in my life.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

So you Starting already. That's so good.

[Pastor Sarah]

Yes, sir. So tonight, you all, we are having an amazing conversation. And when I talk about the breath of God, also, it roots back to Genesis. So, Pastor Dobbins, would you just give us a brief synopsis of your love for the book of Genesis?

[Pastor Anthony]

Yes. First of all, I got to give a shout out to, obviously, Bishop T.D. jakes, First Lady Serita Jakes, for their hunger and thirst for righteousness throughout all these years, years pushing me to the word of God. And one of my favorite teachers is in the building. Dr. Cynthia James and Mr. James. And so my love for Genesis came from understanding that Moses began to ask God a question. He said, God, show me your glory. How many y' all want to see God's glory? All you have to do is ask. And God says, go in the cleft of the rock. I'm going to allow my hinder parts, my back parts, to pass by. And I learned that God's backside is better than our front side any day. And from that, even though Moses did not live during the time of the book of Genesis, according to what I have read and studied, but he wrote the book of Genesis because he saw what happened behind him. Now, the book of Genesis is 32,000. Of course, according to typical King James, 32,046 words, then condensed into 1533 verses. Then they're extrapolated into 50 chapters. But those 50 chapters are getting ready to tell us everything we know about the entire Bible. Yeah, we call it the law of first mention. So once you see it mentioned in Genesis, it becomes a typology or a pattern of everything that's about to happen in the next 65 books. I love the book of Genesis, so I don't want to hog it. I'm going to have to tag team with Dr. Val because she knows way more than me in that.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

That.

[Pastor Anthony]

That area.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Stop, stop, stop. But Dr. James, please, we're so glad to have you here tonight. And I. I stopped to. To acknowledge her absolutely. She is more than we can even describe when it comes to the word. But just kind of piggybacking off Pastor Dobbins and Pastor Anthony, I think Pastor Sarah started her sermon Sunday with the end in mind. And so she started with Mark, the ninth chapter. Although we read Genesis, we'll get to that. But she started with Mark 9. And I'm just going to read it right quick. So you will kind of remember it in the new King James Version. And it says, so he asked his father, how long has this been happening to him? And he said from childhood, and often he has thrown him both into the fire and into the water to destroy him. But if you can do anything, you remember that part. Have compassion on us and help us. And Jesus said to him, if you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes. And immediately the Father of the child cried out and said with tears, lord, I believe. Help my unbelief. And what was interesting to me about it was the correlation between this passage of Scripture and the Genesis passage of Scripture. And just quickly, what we see here is two men, one in Genesis and one in Mark, with two different levels of faith. We also have two fathers and their sons. And she also talks about the belief. Well, Abram was a pagan worshiper who followed a God he didn't know. And then we have the Father in the New Testament in Mark that believed God, but he was struggling with his faith. Ultimately, God's faithfulness prevails over human failures. In both accounts, God's power confirms his purpose and his glory is revealed in the lives of ordinary people. God will respond to our faith regardless of the measure of faith you bring to him. He will respond to your faith regardless of the measure of faith you bring to him. A person's lack of faith is not a barrier to God. Jesus helped the Father to build his faith by commanding the Spirit to leave. So it doesn't matter how small or how big your faith is, God will help you increase your faith by answering your prayer. So when you walk away from the situation, lord, I believe, but help my unbelief. Okay, let me handle this for you. Then you have a testimony when you come out of this. And this testimony will take you to the next test, because I've seen him do it before, Pastor, it's in your hand.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

But. But that. That is so good. So even as you watch, it kind of manifest itself that she begins with the end in mind. She doesn't negate to talk about where the faith actually starts.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Absolutely.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

So she opens in Genesis 12, chapter one, as we know him as the Father of faith. So as we talk about Abram, as we discover him as the being, the Father of faith, and we absolutely believe he is, but sometimes we look at what he's manifest without looking at the origin of the man. So sometimes people look at what you have, but they don't know where you started.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah, good. That's good. That's good.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

So they look at where you are, but they don't look at the beginning of where you started. They don't know the receipt of what you had to pay for where you are right now.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Listen.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

So. So he starts in chapter 12 and verse number one when he says, watch this, Abram. Leave your country. Basically, leave everything you are familiar with. But what she does is she. Fast forward. You know what? Let me just go ahead and read it first. Fast forward to Genesis 12 and 12. I want to read it from the new King James Version, which it says, therefore it will happen. Okay, I. I wanted to shout right there because I want to read it again. Therefore, it will happen. See, when you have faith, you got that revelation. Therefore it will happen when the Egyptians see you, that they will say, this is his wife, and they will kill me, but they will let you live. Please say you are my sister, that it may be well with me for your sake, that I may live because of you. So it was when Abram came into Egypt that the Egyptians saw the woman, that she was very beautiful. The prince of Pharaoh said of also saw her and commanded her to Pharaoh. And the woman was taken to Pharaoh's house. He treated Abram well for her sake. He had sheep, he had oxen, male donkeys, male and female servants, female donkeys and camel. But the Lord plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Syria and Abram's Abram's wife. And Pharaoh called Abram and said, man, what is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me this was your wife? Why did you say she was your sister? I might have taken her as my wife. Now, therefore, here is your wife. Take her and go your way. There is so much fruit tied in that. Because juxtaposition the man in Mark 9, I believe, but help my unbelief. So before he faces it in Mark 9, Abram faces it in Genesis 12. I know God has called me to another country. And I believe God, but I don't believe I'm gonna live for what he's sending me. I believe God is sending me here because there's a famine in the land. God is sending me to a place I am unfamiliar with. But I'm adjust the temperature. I'm gonna help God out because I think because of who I'm connected to, I could die. So sometimes God will give you a wonderful thing. And if you misdiagnose it in the wrong season of your life, it can create doubt. But what God is saying, even in spite of your mess, Abram, I still will bless you. What do you do when the plague was protection? Wow. Wow.

[Pastor Sarah]

Wow. Okay, wow. We have to take a moment at first of all meditate on that. Meditate on that. Because you never know in your life. There are some things that may come and what seems like damage is really damage control. It's meant to hold you up. Let's go to this clip from Sunday, and Pastor Don, I want you to come right back and talk a little bit about what you think about this clip, okay?

[Dr. James]

But in Genesis 12, verse 12, we see something happen with Moses. There's a famine in the land. He gets out of his father's house. God shows him the land that he's going to give to him. And there's a famine in the land that God promised him. And so Abraham goes, I'm going to get out of here until it looks like what you told me is supposed to look like. I don't know if you've ever been in a situation like that where God makes you a promise, but the promise don't look like what God said he.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Was going to do.

[Dr. James]

So you decide. I'mma. I'mma move around a little bit until you can figure out, you know, because this don't. This ain't what you said. This ain't what I signed up for.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

You know what I thought about when I saw that from Pastor Sarah? This is not what I signed up for. Now, if we did a quick, brief testimony, Has God ever showed you the preview of a movie of the things he was gonna bless you with? He told you you were gonna be delivered, but he didn't give you the details. And when you got into the details, you say, God, I did not sign up for this. Now, I know I believe you for your promises, but I did not sign up for this. Well, here's the problem as we begin to walk it out. I'm glad she said that, because we have what I like to call selective hearing. We have. No, no. God told you you were going to go through it, but you have selected hearing. Because if you go back to Genesis 12 and one, he says, get out of your land. He says, I'm gonna make your name great. He says, I'mma bless you. I'm gonna bless them that bless you. And all you heard was, my name gonna be great. He gonna bless me that bless me. He gonna cur. He. Here's your selective hearing. What you did not hear make.

[Dr. Crumpton]

That's good.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

I'm gonna make it. Which means it doesn't exist yet, which means you're gonna have to become it. And the problem is you want God's power without Jesus process. Okay. Oh, oh, oh, okay. See, we want the name we want the blessing. Make my name. He said, okay, I'm gonna make it. So in other words, I'm gonna put you in a position you don't want to be in so I can make a better version of yourself. So you're too busy listen for the blessing and not praying about the making. So it's the making that's the problem. God says, no, no. Want my glory, but be okay with the resurrection. Be okay with the crucifixion. I'm, I'm sorry I said I wasn't going to do this.

[Pastor Anthony]

No, no, no. I, I feel like a kid in a candy store. Because the very premise of the substratum and foundation of our church is the potter's house.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Right?

[Pastor Anthony]

Which means that God told Jeremiah to go down to see a work on the wheel. In other words, Abram really jumps off the wheel because perhaps he didn't want to be made the way that God was going to make him. Does that sound familiar? Maybe Abram is alliteration for you. Because technically God told Abram, I'm going to make your name great. He says, get out of your father's house to go to a land. I'm going to show you. That land is really historically Canaan. Yeah, but because of the famine in Canaan, now Abram decides to go to Egypt. I'm not saying that he sinned, but technically, this is Abram's provision and not God's way of providing for him. Abram jumps off the wheel to go from Canaan to Egypt. Who told you to go another way?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

And let me ask you this, Pastor. And how many times have people jumped off the wheel too early when God still had you in the spinning process?

[Pastor Anthony]

But the wheel is hot.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It's hot.

[Pastor Anthony]

I don't like it.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It's okay.

[Pastor Anthony]

It's my flesh.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It's making you.

[Pastor Anthony]

It's the other people.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It's making you. Let me tell you how it's making you, because that word make, Lily, is an operative word that comes from the word become. The word come, we just preach it right through you. To yield. It means to yield fruit. So as you're becoming, you're becoming fruitful. Okay? Okay.

[Pastor Anthony]

So perhaps Pastor Sarah is trying to lead us in her title, make a move, that we should actually make the right move. You've been moving, but has it been the way God told you to move? I, I, I just wonder because as I'm looking at this, there was no explicit command to go to Egypt, but he chose his, you know, doing things your own way will Will kind of get things twisted. Am I the only one who's ever done things my own way?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Everybody had better raise their hand.

[Pastor Anthony]

I just. I just had to throw that out.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It's funny. And. And I know. Doctor, come to you. You can say something as well. My question to God was, he says, go out. In verse number one. He said, to a place I will show you. I will show you. My question to God was always, where is the place you're going to show him? Where are we going? I cannot imagine getting into a car with my wife and saying, come on, we going somewhere? Eventually she's going to say, where are we going? And I'm going to say, someplace that's going to work for probably an hour. But after a while, impatience is going to sit in. And I'm scared that some of you. Impatience has set in and you're too busy worried about, where am I going? So I asked God the question. How did Abram know where to go? He said, johnson, you missed. Was never about where he was going. Wherever he went was the right place. Faith was the moving. Wherever he landed, I was gonna make him prosperous. And you're too busy worrying about where you're going. God says, I need you to move. Because it's. I'm sorry, dog. I said I wasn't gonna yell tonight, okay?

[Dr. Crumpton]

Because one thing that came to me while you were saying that it wasn't about the move as much as it was who he took with him.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Come on. Come on.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Because he told him who not to take. And when he told him who not to take, but he took him anyway. Sometimes our paths, we get off track because we do something we were told not to do. And we feel as if this is a better way. And I heard Pastor Sarah say Sunday that as the church girl that she is, that God's way has always been the better way. And if we could trust, which takes us back to the trust, the faith and belief in God, if we can believe the voice that we hear is telling us the best way to go, then maybe we don't have to have a plague. Could come in the way to stop us and to keep us from getting in danger. I mean, the first thing he did wrong was take lot. That was the first thing he did wrong. I believe that was the first thing. I know it was one of the things that he did wrong.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

He took a lot with him.

[Dr. Crumpton]

He took a lot with him. You go ahead. He took too much.

[Pastor Anthony]

Dr. Val, can you expound on this just a little bit more? I know our moderator is going to get us here. Because when I, when I, when I researched this, typically I believe that Lot is Abram's nephew, if I am correct.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Correct.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Correct.

[Pastor Anthony]

This is his dead brother's son.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Right.

[Pastor Anthony]

What you do in times of grief is extremely important.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Correct. Correct.

[Pastor Anthony]

Sometimes we miss people. Sometimes it is the overwhelming sensation of depression and even portions of anxiety that make us discombobulated and we're really in grief. So now we are making decisions from a blurry and a blurred vision.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah.

[Pastor Anthony]

Because I, I, I just wonder if he would have taken Lot if his brother would have still been living. Lot is his brother's son. So now you. Am I the only one? Now you feel an obligation to take care of something or somebody, and now you're playing God, which is human refuge rather than God's refuge.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah. That's good. So, because we are so, so we can't use our human behaviors or responses to a situation where God has already given you the directions. So are we excusing his behavior because he was going through grief?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Absolutely.

[Dr. Crumpton]

So, I mean, what? Should it be okay that he took lot even though he was grieving?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It's not okay.

[Pastor Anthony]

My point exactly.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Not only, not only is it not okay that he took lot because now it caused a ripple effect. So not not only affecting lot, now it's affecting his wife.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

So now you're lying. So now you trust deception more than you trust God promises. So now you trust I gotta deceive so I can live instead of the promises that God has for me. So now.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Sorry. He was a pagan worshiper.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Yes.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Keep that in mind. And he was going off the word of a God he didn't even know. So when he got to a place where this God he didn't know had given him a word, he jumped back to where he came from.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

You took.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Okay, go ahead.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're good. No, no. You're good with it. How? We fall back into. Watch this. Default behavior.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Default behavior.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

We fall back into default behavior and God intervenes. Watch this. Here's why you can't judge grace, because grace is the plague.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Oh, my.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

You. You, You.

[Pastor Anthony]

What? What?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

What?

[Pastor Anthony]

Welcome to Walk It Out Wednesday. You. You better come get us. Because all I'm saying is saying is what we do in times of hurt cannot be justified. I know you're hurting, but you might not want to sleep with her. I know you're hurting, but you might not want to invest the money there. I know you're hurting, but you might not want to Leave the church. I know you're hurting, but it does not absolve you of the responsibility, the spiritual responsibility of still obeying God.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Who did God say to you? Have grieved long enough. Get up from here now. It's time to go. I let you grieve for how many days was it?

[Pastor Sarah]

30 days.

[Dr. Crumpton]

30 days.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

You've been here long enough. It's time to move.

[Dr. Crumpton]

It's time to move. So to your point, we cannot allow our human behaviors to supersede God's instruction and direction for our life. Cry while you're walking. Cry while you're moving.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Oh, that's good.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Have you ever prayed and God gave you instruction while you were praying and crying? It was like he wasn't paying no attention to what you were crying and praying about. I'm like, did you hear what I just said? Seriously, have you had that conversation with the Lord or where you were crying and praying and he said, get up. Go here and touch so and so and pray for them? Have you ever. And if you got up from that place and went and did what God told you to do in the middle of crying, in the middle of suffering, can you remember that he came through at the end anyway?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Come on. Come on. That is so.

[Pastor Sarah]

Are y' all enjoying this tonight? Are you really enjoying this tonight? We had a question that was submitted, and I want to ask it tonight. This came from John. Thank you, John, so much. If you're watching, for submitting this question, how do you make a move without the fear of failure? And how do you trust your moves? It's loaded.

[Pastor Anthony]

Well, I'm just not sure if we can sometimes move with or without fear or we're actually doing them both at the time.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Same.

[Pastor Anthony]

Same time.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Right.

[Pastor Anthony]

And sometimes you have to feel the fear and the feeling and do it anyway. The question is, did you hear from God?

[Dr. Crumpton]

Right?

[Pastor Anthony]

If you heard from God, you are trusting God's voice over your moves.

[Dr. Crumpton]

That's right, John.

[Pastor Anthony]

You are right where you need to be. Just make sure that you have heard from God. And sometimes you got to walk by faith. You gotta make a move. Pastor Sarah says, in spite of what you feel and in spite of what's going on in you, your body is information, which I'm gonna quote the great Dr. Anita. Your body is information, which often means that your body feels something that it has not even gone through yet. You could be anxious but anxious for what? Is anxious for success or anxious for failure. We'll find out when we have faith that make a move.

[Dr. Crumpton]

That's Good.

[Pastor Sarah]

That is really really good. Anybody else want to tap in on that? Before we go to this next clip we want to want you to take a look at this next clip from Sunday. It was so powerful.

[Dr. James]

Don't sleep on Jesus. There are some things that he can do that he needs you to go to sleep so that he can get it done. God can't do it because you're in the way. But if you would get out of the way God will show you while you rest. I can move while you silence. I can defend you when while you do you I can do me. Can't nobody do me like Jesus. Can't nobody take care of my heart like Jesus. I didn't know you could help me raise these children. I didn't know you could help me write this book. I didn't know you could help me get to sleep. I didn't know you could wake me up in the morning. I didn't know that you could help me get through the divorce. I didn't know you could help me rebuild my identity. God can do some things that I did not know he could do. He's not not just a Sunday morning kind of God. He's a Monday evening kind of God. He's a late in the midnight hour kind of God. My God can do exceedingly and abundantly above all that I could ask for. He can do it. He can do it. He can do it. He can do it. He can do it. He can make a way out of nowhere. I seen him do it. He can do it. He can do it. He can make addiction leave it your body. I seen him do it. He can help you get your mind on straight. I, I didn't know he could do it but I know he could do it now. He could back shame up off of me. That's my God. Oh no my God can do some things. No no no. I'm not just one of those people who go to church out of religion. I go to church to give God a praise cuz God did some think did God do anything for you this week that you didn't even know God could do do? I mean wisdom on the spot. I mean provision out of nowhere. My God did that. I didn't know you cared about that.

[Pastor Sarah]

Is anybody who could take just 10 seconds to thank God for what he did for you. I mean thank him for what he did for you. There are some things that only God could nobody do this but God did this. Somebody say God did this. Pastor Davis, you about to elbow me all in my Side I'm gonna let you listen.

[Pastor Anthony]

I just want to say preach, Pastor Sarah. I don't even need to respond when she says don't sleep on Jesus. That's what arrested my attention. I think we often sleep on the power of God. And while we rest and lean on the power of us. The problem is you keep trying to sit on the throne and you're looking for God, but if you replace your you with God, you will see that he is God Almighty. He can do anything but fail. To me in this text where she is alliterating to don't sleep on Jesus. Listen, the first thing we need to do is go to sleep and not sleep on him. When I see not sleep on him. We're talking about the God, the Jesus who walked on water. We're talking about Jesus who pulled. He told the disciples what the money was in the fish's mouth. We're talking about the Jesus who was able to heal blind Bartimaeus. We talk about the Jesus who was able to stop a few. I could talk about Jesus all day long. We're talking about God Almighty. The question becomes to me, why in the world do we sleep on the power of God? This means that we think our circumstance is much larger than than our God. And we say, oh, magnify the Lord with me. That means I've got to make him greater than anything I face, greater than my mind, greater than my money. God is the same God who can turn anger into anointing a bad situation so beautiful. He can take a conflict and conform into the grace of Jesus Christ. He can take frustration and turn it to fruit. He can take a problem and turn it to this is gonna make me preach right.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Pastor Dobbins, you hit something that made me think about something. Is that resting is not a pillow. Resting is a mindset. So you can be woke and still resting. You could be walking around and resting. As Jesus is asleep on the back of the boat. They are woke but not resting. Jesus said, why did you wake me up? I gave you a resting word before we got off. I told you we were gonna make it over from the beginning. My question to you is, why are you woke and not resting? He's telling you change how you think about what I said. And so many of us have promises that we're warning, going crazy about God. Am I gonna make it? He said, rest on what I said. The problem is you don't remember what he said. Cause when you remember what he said, you remember who he is. And when you remember who he is, you know, he's not a respecter person. And when I remember, I rest. Okay? He told me I'm gonna make it to the other side. I don't care what storm I have to deal with. And we're too busy. Worried about the circumstance. That's what stirred me up when you said that, is that we spend so much time looking at the storm instead of looking at the Word. What did the word say?

[Pastor Anthony]

Dr. Crumpton, you know I love you. I'm about to stand on top of this table. The reason why this makes me want to jump is because you're talking about the Word. Let me just first give a shout out to everybody in the audience, everybody watching online, because you are digging into God's Word. God's Word says he giveth his beloved sleep. Everything we're going through has a scripture attached to it. My challenge to you is to go get a scripture for everything you're facing and put the Word on it. When you put the Word on it, you don't have to put your mouth on it. You don't have to worry about what other people have put on. Put the Word on it. I guarantee you there is text for what you're dealing with. Put the word of God on it. The Word will chase it down. The Word will raise you up. The Word will bless you. The Word will provide for you. The Word will metaphysically surround you. Put the word of God on it. Wow.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Wow.

[Pastor Sarah]

Go ahead, Pastor.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

I just showed Dr. I said I pray. Promise you. He must have been reading my notes. I just. I. I wrote down resting words. Words that I rest in. I'm the head and not the tail. I'm above and not beneath. I'm the lender and not the borrower. Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning. I'm blessed when I go out. I'm blessed when I come in. No, I'm rest. I don't care what the devil says. He cannot take that away from me because I'm rest. Beautiful. I'm the one that's resting on this. Stop letting the devil steal what God told you. What did he tell you? You are beautifully and wonderfully made. Someone says you're ugly, that's their blind vision, not yours. Stop letting people rob you of the word that God gave you. Rest on what he told you. If he told you that it's going to be okay in the morning, guess what? Morning time is coming. And if it's not okay yet, it's not morning time yet. But what I am declaring and Believing by the time the sun come up, the sun's going to show up. Okay?

[Pastor Sarah]

That's why the Bible says, thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee. I fall into sin when I don't have the Word in me. How can I hide something that I don't have? So you God, Good God Almighty. So you have to have the Word in you to keep you saying it.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It.

[Pastor Sarah]

It's literally, as I said in the beginning, it's a lifeline to you. That's what the Word is. I am what the Word says about me. There's a question in Dr. Crumpton. I kind of want you to tap in on this specifically. Question came in from Nicole and it says, I believe that God has the.

[Pastor Anthony]

Power to do all things.

[Pastor Sarah]

But I struggle that he won't do it for me. How can I believe he'll come through for someone who is not righteous?

[Dr. Crumpton]

So.

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[Dr. Crumpton]

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[Dr. Crumpton]

In my young years. Oh, thank you. I'm still young. I appreciate that. In my earlier years, I used to struggle. I knew God could do it. I had no doubt that God could do anything. I had no doubt. I knew. I seen him do it. My struggle was, would he do it for me? I never. And when Pastor Sarah said this Sunday, it just blew me away. It was like a light went off. I always thought that I was not worthy enough for God to do it for me. I felt like he didn't love me enough to do it for me. Can I be transparent? And I'm trying to help you, Nicole, because when you realize at some point you belong to God, period, you're his period. He will come through. He has no respect of persons. If you. Period. If you know you are his and he is yours, then he will come through for you, regardless of your present state. It's with your mind that you serve the Lord. And it is with your mind that the enemy tries to make you feel. Feel unworthy. When you say you're not righteous, Nicole, ask yourself, what does that mean? What are you measuring the righteousness against? Because you are the righteousness of God. We all have sinned and come short, and we all sin right now, every now and then, and have come short of the glory. We can't make ourselves righteous. Abraham was called righteous. Am I right? And we just talked about the things that he did. But he was counted. God will count you righteous, and he will come through for you, Nicole.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

That. That is so good there. When you were talking, Dr. Columbus, I thought about a scripture, Numbers, chapter 13, verse 33, numbers 1333. That there's a group of people that go out to spy the land. Everything is there. Yeah, there it is. It says, and there we saw the giants, descendants of Enoch. And we were like grasshoppers in our own sight. And so were we in their sight. My problem is not the scripture, how they see themselves. My problem is how they think. The giant sees them. The giant never saw them.

[Dr. Crumpton]

And the giant sees yourself, like you see you. The giant sees you, like, run and.

[Pastor Anthony]

Go take a lap.

[Dr. Crumpton]

See, you.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

See, it is a perception problem. And this is not just, Nicole. All of us have done it. I've done the same thing. It's how. How you see yourself. There. There is a specialist called a gemologist, if you know what a gemologist is. A gemologist Is a person that is certified to grade a diamond or stone what they are? They're certified to look at something, but they clarify four things. The four Cs, the color, the clarity, the cut, and the carrot. That's what a gemologist does. That's the same thing that God does for us. He the clarity. The clarity determines the outside filters. Are you messed up on the outside how you see yourself? Well, God says, no, no. The blood took care of that. So when I see you, I see my son. When I see you, I see the blood. The carrot is the weight. The weight. How much can you carry? How much do you have on you? So when God says, when I see you, I see me. But the problem is we're too busy looking at ourselves. So just like Nicole, all of us have the same problem. We think we're unrighteous, but we're measuring ourselves against a giant who don't even know who I am. And I'm thinking to myself, but when I see myself like a giant, when I have a Caleb in my life that says, shut up. We are well able to take care of everything. See, you need somebody in your life. Oh, please forgive me here to tell you to shut up. We are well able to take the land. You're well able to go back to school. You're well able to write the book. You need somebody that can reverse the words that you have spoke over your life. And the problem is you keep repeating the negative stuff. I am a grasshopper. No, you're not. You are a giant. When I see myself as a giant, I move like a giant. I walk like a giant. I only want to hang around giants. As a matter of fact, I'm not coming down the grasshopper sight, okay? Giants see different than grasshoppers. The line of sight is different. We look different. We see different. And I'm using giant as a metaphor. I want to hang around people who can see off in the distance. I don't want to sit and hang around people who see low. I don't want to. If I'm feeling unrighteous, I don't need to be around somebody who. Tell me, yeah, I feel the same way. No, no, no. I want to be around somebody say, no, come on, come on, come on out of. Load the bar. Get. Get out of that place. And that's the type of people we need. I don't care if you're the pastor. I don't care if you're in the pews. All of us need people around us that will come get us out of the rut that we're in sometimes. So, Nicole, she said it best. You are God's chosen. Period.

[Dr. Crumpton]

And one. Period. And one thing you want to remember. Everybody. If I can admonish you to walk with someone whose faith has been built greater than yours.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Because if you. It's just like having a mentor. You know, when you're in school, you always want a mentor. When you're on a corporate job or somewhere, you always want a mentor. Someone go find a mentor that can help you build your faith. Somebody that understands how to walk by faith. I know it says faith comes by what? And hearing by the word of God. Somebody has heard and has heard the word of God in a way that. That has built their faith. And so what you should do, oh, ye of little faith is not a bad thing. The good thing about having little faith is to find somebody with a greater measure of faith and walk with them.

[Pastor Anthony]

Can I say one last thing?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

The.

[Pastor Anthony]

I just want to give my sister and anybody in the audience or anybody watching one text because, Pastor Don, we all talked about put the word on it. Matthew 5 and 45, I believe, says God reigns on the just as well as the unjust.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Yes. Oh, yes.

[Pastor Anthony]

So whenever you think that you are unrighteous, remember, the rain is still going to come. Wow.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Wow.

[Pastor Sarah]

Good Lord.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[Pastor Sarah]

See, you got it.

[Pastor Anthony]

I was trying to slip it in.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Yeah. It rains on the justice well, the young just. Which brings us back to Genesis, chapter 12. That Abram has lied, he has deceived, and God is still making a way.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

See, I don't know who the devil has lied to in here, but God is still going to make a way for you. I don't care what you have done. I don't care how far you have gone. God is still somebody shout. He's still making a way. I don't care who says you cannot make it. Just you. You still go. You still gonna make a way. He's still gonna make a way. He's still gonna make a good Lord.

[Pastor Sarah]

Listen, let's check out this. This next clip from Sunday. And Dr. Crumpton, I kind of want you to dive into that a little bit.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Y'.

[Pastor Sarah]

All, check this out.

[Dr. James]

Change the way you think. But this man, he don't know that he believes, but he's got unbelief. And so what Jesus says to him in response to if you can have compassion on us, Jesus says, if you can believe, it's not a matter of whether or not I can. This is going to Come down to whether or not you can believe. If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes. That word can comes from a Greek word that means dunami. If it sounds familiar, for those of you who studied the original manuscript, you know that dunamis means power. That word can means dunamis. It means to be able or possible, to be able, may or be of power. What Jesus says to him is, if you have the power to believe.

[Dr. Crumpton]

If.

[Dr. James]

You have the power to believe, all things are possible. Let's let that sink in for a minute. We talk about having faith like it comes easy, like believing is just something you stumble into, which is why we end up losing some people because they think belief should come easy. But this text suggests to us that it takes power to believe.

[Pastor Sarah]

Dr. Crumpton, please.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y' all get ready to jump in. So I thought about something she said about ability, power. Ability was. I thought about how much ability or power or energy it takes to be depressed. How much power, ability, or energy it takes to be afraid because it pulls. Pulls everything in you out. And if we would redirect that same power into believing God rather than believing in doubt, rather than believing in fear. Because fear takes belief.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

It does.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Fear takes belief. You believe that this is going to be bad. You believe that this is not going to turn out well. If you could take and redirect that same energy, that ability, that power to believe that that same God who started this work in you has the ability to conform, completed in the day of Jesus Christ. If we could just take that same power that we take and use toward fear, depression, oppression, suppression, sickness, disease, all of those things, if we take that same energy, that same power, and redirect it into the belief of our God, things would change. Because making a move starts in the mind.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Wait a minute. So what you're saying is what Peter did when Jesus was walking on the water, the Bible said they were on the boat fearful. He redirected and said, jesus, if it's you, beat me to come. If it's you give me the ability to do something that other people sink in. And what I can't get caught up in is people who are not doing what I'm doing. Because sometimes God will give you the ability to do what other people can't do, even though you don't deserve it. Sometimes God will certify you to do something that you didn't qualify for. Sometimes God will call you into an ecosystem that you didn't. You're not even educationally ready for Only thing you did was redirected the energy and said, God, if it's you, call me out there. I've never been a water walker, I've been a fisherman, but if you call me, I'm coming. I've never done this before, but I see you doing it. I have a mentor. You're the mentor. You, you showing me how to walk on water. And all you got to do is be around the right person at the right time. That's why some people complain because you're around the wrong person at the wrong time. But if I get around a few water walkers, if it's you got it, they can do it. I can do it too, cuz if you just pull on me a little bit, I'mma redirect the energy. I ain't paying attention to the storm. I'm paying attention to the word come. Because the word come is every. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[Pastor Anthony]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You, you, you doing real well. Because all of this ties in to the text.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Yeah.

[Pastor Anthony]

When we say put the word on, it is called in the beginning better sheet. This is why in the book of Genesis in, in fact, let me just tie it in this way, Jesus to me is able to walk on top of the water because it is a repeat of what we have already sun seen in Genesis chapter number one. And the spirit of the Lord moved or hovered over this. Oh, I'mma throw this at you of the waters. In other words, God models for you what you're supposed to do before he actually asks you to do it. The question is, are you paying attention to the word? Are you paying attention to the God in which you serve? Now, Dr. Crumpton says it starts in the mind. This is a bit carnal, but I'll give you a few stats. The average millionaire is a millionaire at age 49. This means that they have had at least 48 plus years of learning. The average millionaire typically has filed for divorce 2.7 times. The average millionaire typically has tried at least 17 different businesses. Normally it's the 18th one that actually pops. The average millionaire in most aspects. When you upgrade it to a billionaire, I'm talking about hundreds of millions of have actually filed bankruptcy 3.1 times. The question is, why in the world do they keep moving? Because they believed in their mind that they would actually get there. Do you believe who you who God says you are? We, we jump. We shout out listen. Sometimes I take off running. I just can't help it. Sometimes I jump with nothing's under my feet. But really, you. You need to take this cerebrum, the cerebellum, the occipital lobe, the frontal lobe. You need to take every part of your brain and just use it to believe. The moment you believe, the rest is easy.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

And I say something. Be careful. Not even just be careful, be cognitive of who's in your circle. Because your circle influences your belief system.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Yeah.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

The man says in Mark 9, he says, I brought my son to your disciples. But Dr. James, the disciples aren't the only one that are there. The law teachers are there too. So they supposed to know the word too. So the problem is. So your circle of people I'm supposed to bring it to, they can't do anything. So my circle now has influenced my belief system because I bought my son believing that this was going to happen. So who's in your circle now influences what you believe? So I believe. But I need you to help my unbelief that they created. I brought. I brought my son that needed help believing that this could happen. I saw that they could not do anything, which now influenced that. I don't know if they can do it, but I got enough sense to. To say I believe it. So I brought them. But since I brought them, forget them. Could you help? But I don't believe it's what they created. It's the circle that. Okay, so you gotta have more than just the word of God. You gotta have a relationship with him to understand. Okay, God. There's a side of me that have been walking in the wrong circle of people that has now influenced my belief behavior. So now I got to be willing to walk away from the boat. I got to be willing to tell on the people who discouraged me to say it was my mother that caused me to stop believing. I can't make was my father that stopped me believing. I can't make it. It's no knock on them. They couldn't do it. You know why? Because they asked Father Jesus why couldn't we do it? He said, because these kind come out, only come out by fasting and praying, which means you didn't have the level to do what they needed for the season that they were in. Stop waiting for people to do what you need when they don't know what season you're in.

[Dr. Crumpton]

So. So. So that talks to the fact that it wasn't a bad thing that the disciples couldn't deliver him. Was it a bad thing? They didn't know what to do. They were trying. They tried. They say Jesus we couldn't do it. Were they wrong? I mean, I'm trying to help. I'm trying to ask a question. I mean, they tried.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

I'm gonna get in trouble. I might get in trouble, but I'm gonna call the audible. Omaha. I'm call an audible. Dr. James, could you please. Dr. James, could you come in for a minute?

[Dr. James]

I wanted to call her so bad.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Goodness.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

So bad.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Come on.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Listen, listen.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Y' all just.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

That's working.

[Pastor Anthony]

You can have my seat.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Am I okay? I just. I'm like, Dr. James, I gotta get you in on this one.

[Dr. James (continued)]

You all are so anointed. This is amazing. Can I just say one little something?

[Pastor Anthony]

Absolutely.

[Dr. James (continued)]

Context to March 9th is that they had just come from the Mount of Transfiguration, so they had seen a fuller, bigger picture of Jesus. From beginning the law to the prophets. You said it. Abraham didn't know God. He didn't have a big picture. When you get to Mark nine, Pastor Sarah said, can faith and doubt exist in the same person? They can, but the way that faith becomes a chaser of doubt is prayer, because you have to have a prayer for these time to come out, which becomes an avenue of faith. But the three, the circle you're with Peter, James and John got the bigger picture. The nine were at the bottom of the mountain. It's a text about space and a text about proximity. Lot was there. He was too close. He was in the wrong space. When you get to Mark 9, the vision is at the top, but it. You talked about it. But at the bottom, there's nine. The nine could not heal the Son because the crowd came running. When they saw the radiance of Jesus, Jesus's garment, because he was coming from transfiguration, they got a little bit more view of who he was. The scribes were arguing because of confusion because they didn't know who Jesus was.

[Pastor Anthony]

Tell the story, Dr. James.

[Dr. James (continued)]

Were not able to cast out the spirit because they. They had a view of themselves but not a bigger view of Jesus. So when the Father is vulnerable and honest, like your questionnaires, and he says, I believe, but help my unbelief, this transparent father looks at a translucent Jesus. And the transparency and the translucency that looks through Jesus and looks through the man, causes the demons who believe and tremble. But they have to go. It takes more than just believe. It takes a bigger vision of who God is. And so if you're on the. Now, the space thing, I'm almost finished. The spatial thing is that you're at the Bottom. Pastor Sarah starts saying mountain.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Move, move.

[Dr. James (continued)]

Out of way, mountain. So if you have a mountaintop experience, you're. You get the bigger view. But if you stay low, the mountain blocks your vision of who Jesus is. And when he blocks your vision, then you do not have a sacred space where you can command demons to live. When he says, this kind comes out. But by prayer and fasting, it means they gotta go.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

1.

[Dr. James (continued)]

Back to what you said. You were talking about power. You said it becoming. You said potential. Blessed means empower. Empower means authorization, permission, license, entitlement. The synonym for it is unchained, unfettered, unyoked. So all of those things had not happened until they got the vision. Then the boy was unchained, unfettered, unloped, unyoked. He was released because the power was there. And now there was a sacred space where the demons cannot define, where they cannot operate, where, yeah, I see myself, but I have to do more than see myself. I need a bigger vision of Jesus as the Genesis, as the author and the finisher of my faith.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Don't go, Dr. J. Don't get Lord help.

[Pastor Sarah]

Good God Almighty.

[Pastor Anthony]

Class dismissed.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Let the church say Amen.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

I just. I felt inaudible, like, I just like. Because not only is she a homiletical hero, but for her even. Watch this. For her even talk about not even just the transparency, but the. The importance of being in the right place. Proximity, denying, at the bottom, out of place, trying to be powerful out of place doesn't make them wrong. That's just not your assignment. It's just not your assignment. The ones at the top had a mountaintop experience. They experienced something that others will never experience ever again in life. But proximity calls them to see Jesus a whole different way. And some of us can testify. When you seen Jesus a whole nother way, there's some things that the devil try to test you with. It doesn't bother you anymore. So when he say these kind only come out by fasting and praying, it's when I've been before God. That's why the things that choose to bother you don't bother you anymore. Because I've been in the face, oh, God, to help me, Jesus. It is. It is moments like that. It is moments like that. She begins to describe that mountaintop experience. So I could say, mountain, move, get out the way. Most of us saying, mountain, move, get out of the way because we want to walk into something. Maybe the mountain we need to move to get out of the way is stopping us from seeing Jesus. It Say, when King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord high and lifted up. But it wasn't until he died. What do you need in your life to die away so you can see him high and lift it up. See, this is when you talk about walking, about to where it becomes intimate, to where we're fighting a devil. Typically, we don't have to fight. Sometimes you don't have to rebuke the devil. Sometimes you just showing up is a rebuke. My presence is a rebuke. Not because of me, but because of who I've been with and what I've seen in my life and what he has done for me. It now causes me to be in proximity because I got mentorship. I got people around me that say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You have to take that baby. You don't have. You. You don't have to take that walk in the promises of God. As a matter of fact, touch everybody. You can tell them, walk in the promise. Walk, walk. Put it in the chat. Walk, walk, walk in the. I'm declaring. You're gonna begin to walk in the promises of God. You're gonna walk into freedom. You're gonna walk in the deliverance. You're gonna walk in everything that. Oh my God. Okay.

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[Dr. Crumpton]

Pastor, can I say this right quick, before you take us to altar, you sense it.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Cause I'm about. Oh, I'm about to go there.

[Dr. Crumpton]

It's time. But I want to say, when you hear God tell you to make a move, make sure that the move is first settled in your mind. Because she said faith is a movement. So if faith is a movement, then that movement has to happen here. Faith first. Don't make a move until you believe it. In here. I'm going to give you this testimony quick, short and simple. I needed to do something, and I didn't know what to do. And I went to sleep one night and I had a dream. And in the dream, the Lord showed me the children of Israel taking. Going to Egypt or to the Egyptians and getting everything. He said, get all their stuff. Borrow it. Borrow all of it and take not a few and then leave. And what the Lord showed me in the dream before I woke up, that they got everything. And they didn't run when they took it. They just walked out. And my dream ended with this. You don't have to run out. You can walk out. So your strategy of moving, when you move, you don't rush because you know God is giving you the wisdom like he did Abram to make the move. Don't trust your moves. Trust the God that told you to move. And if you know he's talking to you, then the move will be easy. He'll shut the eyes of the Egyptians so that you can see your way. And the Egyptians won't even get a hold of it until you. So far gone on, it's like, what happened?

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Where's my stuff?

[Dr. Crumpton]

Trust that the God in you is giving you the ability to move. And faith is that movement.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

We have. I'm sorry, go ahead. Do we have. We have so much more we could talk about. But I. After Dr. James talked and Dr. Crump talk, I sense something. We're standing. We're standing. Everybody's standing. In 2 Kings, chapter 7, there's a story in 2nd Kings, chapter 7, there are four lepers. And they're sitting there and they ask each other a question. Why sit we here till we die? In other words, we need to make a move. Because if we stay where we are, we're going to die. And I don't mean. I don't want to speak that over you literally, you're going to die. Maybe Your dream is dying because you won't make a move. Maybe your past has paralyzed you and you won't make a move. Maybe you're stuck looking at a mountain that God is saying, speak to the mountain and it'll move. In Second Kings, chapter seven, verse number five, I want to show you something. It says, and when they decided to make a move, the text says, and when they arose at twilight. Twilight is a dark season. Verse 5 says, and when they arose at twilight, it is a dark season. Now watch this. Verse number seven is a few verses later. Verse seven says, wherefore when they arose, the enemy fled at twilight. Okay, I'm going to say it again. When the four lepers got up to move, the enemies fled. They are not in proximity to each other. When it comes to distance, the text says they heard an army coming, but it's only four men. It's only four men coming, But God calls an army to hear. To be heard by the enemy. Hey, y'. All. When you move, God will cause your footsteps to sound like echoes. When you move, when you step, when you make a decision, when you decide, I'm not taking it anymore. You step in one time. But when God is moving with you, it sounds like an echo. And I want to give an altar call today for somebody who is tired of sitting in the same place. And I'm deciding today, God, I'm gonna make a move. Why sit there till you die? Everyone under the sound of my voice, even they're online again. I'm gonna tell you, dying doesn't mean you're gonna literally die. It means your dreams are dying. It feels like you. I can't, Pastor. I'm running out of breath. And God is saying, as soon as you step toward the altar, you have no idea. The steps you make toward the altar is the echo that's going to your home. Because the text says, when they move, the enemy begins to move. The enemy has no idea who's coming. The enemy think it's an army that's coming, but it's only four people that's coming. News flash. God's gonna make your move sound like an army. News flash. God's going to make your next financial investment sound like an army. God's going to make your next decision sound like an army. Why sit we here till we die? Past Sarah said, make a move. That's what we're going to do. We're going to make a move. Text says they moved at twilight. They move when it's uncomfortable. And you may be uncomfortable where you are in life right now. But we're going to move anyhow. I'm going to move in the promises of God. Somebody shout, I'm gonna move. And God is moving with you. You don't even know it. Dr. Crumpton, you don't realize when you talked about that dream because the text says when the four lepers get to the place, it's money there, it's resources there. And God is saying your resources ends in your next move. Catch this. You don't get the resources and then move. You move and then get the resources. Did you hear what I just said? You don't get the resources and then you move. God says you move, and then I give you the resources. Some of you asking God, I need more. I need more. God said, no, you need to move. I need more. No, no. God said, you need to move. You need to move in your mindset. So we're gonna come through and we're gonna pray. And I'm praying over your next move. I'm praying over the next move you have to make that is going to confuse the enemy. I'm praying the next move you make. God is going to make your next financial breakthrough easy. I need you to hear what I just said. God is saying there are resources that is laid up for you that the devil has been holding onto for too long. There are some things in your life that the devil has been trying to take from you. And God says it has been laying dormant for too long. So, Satan, you have to let our stuff go. Why? Because I'm moving. You got to let my children go. You got to let my grandkids go. You need to let my niece go. You have to let my nephew go. You need to let my mind go. We're not going to sit here and die any longer. Because I have seen the glory of God. I've seen what he can do. I've been sitting here for too long. I've been in this place for too long. Too long. I've been living under the auspices of depression for too long. I'm not gonna sit here any longer because I'm walking into a new. It's a new season. It's a new season. It's a new season. She just got that. It's a new season. It's a new season for you, man. Them. It's a new season for you. You know what's crazy about the new season? Guess this, Anthony. That God gives them more resources, but he doesn't heal them. Come on. He blesses them. Even in their Dysfunction. I don't care what people have said. You're dysfunctional with. God will bless you in spirit. Fight of you all because you decided to make a move. I'm moving. I'm shifting. My life is changing. As a matter of fact, I am sensing. Somebody shout, I'm moving. Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. You said that like we was on the golf course. Anybody that's mad at the devil, mad at where you are, know that God has more for you. Know that he has been robbing you of your glory, robbing you of your peace, robbing your finances. If that any of that is you. Somebody shout, I'm moving. Okay, Now I'm in the right place. Now I'm in the right place. Because here's what you just did. You just release words into the atmosphere. And when you release words into the atmosphere, now angelic forces are activating it because now they're paying attention to what you said. Somebody touch your neighbor and say, we moving together. We moving. We're moving together. We move. Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard. We moving together. We're. We're moving together. We're moving. We're moving together. We're moving together. We're moving. We're moving together. We're moving together. We're moving. We're moving. We're moving. We're moving. Catch him. Catch him. We're moving. We're moving. We're moving. We're moving. We're moving. Moving. Touch everybody you can in the audience. We're moving. We're moving. When you see me Sunday, I'm gonna be in a new mindset. I'm gonna be in a new financial status. I am moving, moving, moving, moving, moving, moving. I've been here too long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it to her. Give it to her. Give it to her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There.

[Dr. James]

Moving forward.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. You have to make a decision. You have to make a decision. I will not God stay here any longer. Tell Depression by tell. Anxiety by tell Sickness.

[Dr. James]

I'm not.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

I'm moving forward.

[Dr. James]

I'm moving forward. I'm moving forward.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Release. Release it. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In the building. Give it to him. Give it to him. Let their praise be in this place. Give it. Give it to him. I'm moving forward. I'm moving forward using you. God's not through using you. Over.

[Dr. James]

I'm moving.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Moving forward.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Now Going back Moving again.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Not I'm not looking back.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Moving ahead Here to declare to you Passes over you Things are made new Surrender my life to Christ Moving, moving.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Forward Moving, moving forward so listen, it is the Bible says in that twilight, they moved. So now then, yeah, so then it's. Then it's a mindset. Which means tonight, doing walk it out Wednesday, we changed our mind. And I'm moving forward. I am moving forward. Thank you, Dr. Crumpton. Even if I have to leave a lot behind, I'm moving forward. If I have to leave heavy people behind, just because they were meant for last season don't mean they're meant for next season. And I'm moving forward. I refuse to let people hinder me from moving into the next season of my life. And some of you, please don't tear this church up. Please don't tear the church up. Please don't tell the church up. Some of you, you are too loyal to last season. But they were with me last season. Okay, that's great. They may not be assigned to next season. The text says, why sit we here till we die? Only four of them moved. If you go back and study outside the gate, it was more of them outside the gate, but only four moves. Sometimes you need to take your four and no more. And I mean that with all the love in my heart. But sometimes our loyalty to last season causes us to miss the blessing for next season. Our loyalty for people. Sometimes your season of helping people is up. You've been so loyal that they've been taking advantage of you, and now they're taking advantage of your loyalty, calling it love. You want to find out if they love you? Tell them no next time. As a matter of fact, I'm declaring this your season of saying no. Can you help me this season? No. See if they still treat you the same. They still treat you the same. That's love. If not, then what did you want with me? So I'm. I am believing. And this may not make sense, but I. I believe in prophetic gestures. I believe in prophetic Georgia gestures. I believe this. I. I believe this. This is my faith. My faith to you. By the time you walk back to your seat, it's going to sound like an army, and it's going to sound like an army marching to your address. So as you walk back to your address and walk back to your seat, I don't care if you say it out loud or say it under your voice, but walk back to your seat saying your address. Walk back to your seat. Just declaring your address now. I'm not gonna say my address on this microphone, but walk back to your seat knowing that God is going to do something at your address.

[Dr. Crumpton]

Listen, the Potter's house isn't just a.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

Place, it's a movement.

[Dr. James]

Families, we are so much better when we come together. And today we're inviting you to be a part of something bigger. When you sow a seed, you're planning the future of hope, healing and change.

[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

In times of uncertainty.

[Pastor Anthony]

The house stands strong and because of.

[Dr. Crumpton]

You, it keeps standing for others. Your giving isn't just generosity, it's ministry. And we and what you sow today will be the miracle someone is praying for.

[Dr. James]

If this message spoke to you and if you're ready to step into faith. If you believe in what God is doing here, don't wait. Sow a seed. Move in faith. Every gift, every act of generosity fuels this mission and brings us closer to reaching the lives that need it the most.

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[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

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[Pastor Anthony]

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[Pastor Sarah]

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[Pastor Anthony]

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[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

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[Pastor Anthony]

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[Pastor Sarah]

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[Pastor Anthony]

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[Pastor Sarah]

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[Pastor Anthony]

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[Pastor Vince Shaw Dobbins]

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[Pastor Sarah]

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[Dr. Crumpton]

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