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Pastor Don
Welcome to the Potter's House podcast. You are home away from home. Stay. Stay a while as the Word of God restores your hope and transforms your life.
Host/Moderator
We're about to walk this thing out. Can I see my notes over there? Because if I get off script it's going to be real bad.
Pastor Don
Because you're not going to get off script with notes.
Host/Moderator
These are preacher inside jokes. First of all, Pastor Sarah started talking about Exodus chapter number 12. Exodus chapter number 12. She gave us the first. She gave us verses two through 13 to look at the Book of Exodus. This is how my brain works. I just want to make sure I do my due biblical theological due diligence. In these about 32,685 words. It is extrapolated over 1213 verses packaged into 40 chapters. Dr. Oscar taught me that the Book of Exodus means that the children of Israel were about to exit a wilderness. How many of you think you're about to exit something tonight? Glory to God. Come on, you ought to light up the chat. Make some noise. So God is teaching us that we're going to exit something. In order to exit something, we must make sure that we're exempt. Examine the text properly. The main character of the Book of Exodus typically is Moses, but The backdrop is the children of Israel. But we can't give credit to Moses without talking about his mother. I believe her name was Jochebed. Jochebed was in a situation whereby I believe she was trying to isolate Moses. She's trying to isolate Moses for proper reason. Because at that time, the Pharaoh, the leader, the king, he was trying to kill all the Hebrew male boys 2 years old and younger. He's trying to do that because they're not sure who is going to actually be the Messiah to rise up and overthrow the throne. Give me about 30 more seconds and we'll land the plane here. So she then bursts this baby in the midst of isolation. The text says when he could no longer be hidden. So when Moses could no longer be hidden, she says, I gotta make an escape. I gotta get this boy out of the isolation of the Hebrew camp and push him down the Nile River. She pushes him down the Nile river in a basket, which I believe is really the first tabernacle. I know we can't really bother that, but Pastor Corey has all the deeds on that. And Pastor Don's going to jump in here any moment. But I need you to know.
Pastor Corey
I want to jump in already.
Host/Moderator
But I need you to know that Moses, mother Jochebed knew that she had to get Moses out of isolation. But then Moses, because he was birthed in isolation and pushed down the Nile river by himself. Can you imagine the alligators, the river monsters, the crocodiles, the potential snakes, the water moccasins, the jaguars watching from the hillsides of the riverbank, trying to get him. He's a baby baby facing traumatic situations, isolated in a basket. Really quick story, you know that Pharaoh's daughter is bathing in the river. She hears him cry. She says it must be one of the Hebrew children. Then she calls forth for someone, one of her slaves, which happened to be Moses, sister. Which means your life is a setup all by itself to go get him. And then she finds his mother. He is weaned in birth, nurtured by his mother, thereby pushes him into the house of Pharaoh. From the house of Pharaoh. He is raised kind of like the Prince of Egypt. But Moses is chosen to lead his people out of bondage, from slavery and the wilderness. In the process preaches a long window. We got six. Closes. So now in the process, God is in a showdown with the Egyptians. To walk this up from Exodus 1 through 11, the culmination of the showdown, which would be God sending 10 plagues against the Egyptians. Flies, boils, license, blood. So many different plagues. But the last one is going to be the death of the firstborn. Thereby, we get the instructions. The Hebrews are given the instructions to take a lamb, a spotless lamb without spot, wrinkle, or blemish, to take the lamb, to eat it, to take one for each household, eat the entire lamb, share it with another household if your household's not large enough, and to apply the blood on the doorposts and the lentils. Herein is where Pastor Sarah drops us in the text. Dr. Oscar, what did you think about her sermon? Get me out of trouble here?
Dr. Oscar Williams
No, I think it's very important to contextualize where we are. I would maybe even bridge to that for us to understand that this theme of isolation doesn't just start in Exodus, but it actually starts at the end of Genesis.
Host/Moderator
Come on.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Because how did they even get to Egypt? Well, there were 12 brothers that had at that time, just a small nucleus family.
Pastor Corey
Yes, that.
Dr. Oscar Williams
And this ties into. One of the major points that I took away from Sunday, is that sometimes isolation as an incubator can be good, but if we stay too long, it could be devastating. And this is actually what happens when we enter into Exodus. Because what started out as a family seeking refuge from a famine, they got comfortable in a place that they were never supposed to stay in. They grew and they flourished in a foreign land until what was supposed to be isolation to protect them now became enslavement because they had stayed there too long. So this is where we pop in, in the reason why in that isolation, they had to be delivered from that. And this points to, even in our own lives, that sometimes God places us in places to help us, to protect us, but we get comfortable in the place that we're supposed to be moving from. And now we find ourselves enslaved in something that was supposed to help us and protect us, and we need a deliverer to get us out.
Pastor Corey
For me, it's bring Oscar's even revelation into more light. It also shows me that you can be winning in one side of your life and losing on the other side. The text says that they are multiplying, but they're still enslaved, which means you can be a great mother and failing in business. You can be a horrible husband, but a great father. And just because you see somebody great on social media, that doesn't mean they're great in their life. So multiplication of followers, multiplication of people doesn't mean you're winning in every area of your life because they were adding to, but still enslaved.
Dr. Oscar Williams
And that is actually what brought on the enslavement because Pharaoh got jealous of their addition. He got jealous of the fact that they were able to multiply in a foreign place. And sometimes we're in situations and the enslavement or the trouble or the trauma comes on not because we're doing bad, but because we're doing good. It is in that moment now that Pharaoh has to devise a plan against them because he understands that the favor of God is on their life. That's for somebody in this room. They're plotting against you because they see the favor on you even when you don't see it. They're trying to keep you enslaved and keep you down and devalue you because they understand. They see God providing and being gyra all around you. You can't see it because you're in the middle of it, but everybody around you can see God blessing you and they're trying to devise traps against you. But tell somebody the deliverer is coming.
Host/Moderator
You preaching early, Pastor Cora? I meant to say ladies curse. Help these two out now.
Pastor Don
Ladies first. All of them talked. Every last one of them talked. And now it's ladies stories. I tell you honestly save the best for last. Most of the time. Honestly. Oh, no. When I thought about my sister's sermon, I thought about, like you said, we tend to stay in isolation longer than we're supposed to. And it is normally because it lasts so long. And so it's like you overstay your welcome in isolation because it's like, man, when is it going to be over? And if it's not going to be over soon, then I might as well just get comfortable here because it's not going to be over for a while. But what I understood in her sermon is that in order to really walk in the expectation desperation of isolation, that you have to let God invade that space. That you are not able to break out of isolation until you bring God into the isolation. When you bring him into it, it has no other choice but to let you go. When you bring God into something that has changed you, into something that has oppressed you, into something that has put you into a dark space. Space. When you shed God's light on a dark area in your life, it has no other choice but to break. So in order to expire isolation, you have to let God invade it first.
Pastor Corey
See, don't you start nothing. It's too early to be starting. They didn't bring your tower. They start too early. Because here's what's important about what you said, Pastor Corey. You have to Let God invade the space. The one thing the children Israel does not know, that this is the final stage of bondage.
Pastor Don
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pastor Corey
This is it. This is the last thing. You're gonna have to go through this. And most times we give up before the last stage is over with. But the only way God is going to invade, you got to bring a lamb into the house. You have to introduce a lamb into the stage. You have to introduce the lamb into the stage. And you got to know how to interact with the lamb. Because you can invite Jesus in, but not know how to have a conversation with him. You can invite the lamb and tea. I'm sorry, you can come to church.
Pastor Don
Isolation. Because you don't know how to engage in the person that brought the key to get you out.
Pastor Corey
Come on. So the problem is you come to church but don't know how to use the keys.
Host/Moderator
Ah, so it's.
Pastor Corey
It's the introduction.
Pastor Don
Is it really your house? Is it really your house if you don't know how to use the keys to get out?
Pastor Corey
Cause listen to what you're saying, Pastor. Because that's so good. Because not only are they. Because we just say, take the lamb, put the blood on the bullet. Take the lamb. That's not what it said in verse 22. He says, they have to get a branch, A hyssop branch.
Pastor Don
Come on.
Pastor Corey
Here, come here. Psalms 51. Purge me with hyssop. Hey. And I shall be clean. Wash me and I shall be. So we have to have the right tools to introduce God into our life. So the tool of humility introduces the lamb. So we're saying, God, I want a breakthrough. He says, oh, no, I'll get that. Thank you, sis. We want God to do this. We're saying, I don't want to bring the lamb into it. I want isolation to end, but I don't want to bring God into it. I want to be covered, but I don't want to bring God into it. And the problem is we want out without using his methods to getting out.
Host/Moderator
See, this is why I have the great, amazing task of trying to keep us on task. But I feel. No, I think, Pastor Cora, articulating participation, your participation is required. I want us to take a look at this clip so that we can tie this in. Because this is not just about us preaching or getting excited. We're really trying to pull you into a space where you feel free with God and that you allow God to feel free in you. Sometimes you can restrain the Holy Ghost and he will not force himself on you. Can we. Media team, can we take a look at this first clip.
Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts
Which I know you all can't relate to this idea of I cried out to God and it seems like things got a little bit worse. God, you're here with me. But some kind of way, it feels like things got a little worse. When we enter the text in chapter 12, the Lord is about to release the final plague. But imagine being the children of Israel, and you've seen plague after plague, plague after plague, and nothing has worked. But this plague is different. This plague is different because unlike God performing the plagues on their behalf, this plague will require their participation. And all the other plagues, God spoke the word and it occurred in the land. And sometimes they were impacted by the plague, sometimes they weren't. But in none of the plagues, other plagues, did it require their participation. But in Exodus 12, the Lord makes it clear that for this next one, the one that leads to your deliverance, the one that actually secures your freedom, for this one, the one that will allow the oppressor to finally let you go, for this one, the one where the enemy must let you go, it's to going. Going to require your participation. Because deliverance is not just something that God does for us, it's something he does with us and through us.
Host/Moderator
Ladies first.
Pastor Don
I think the thing I would ask you, if we're talking about walking it out, is how have you found God to be in your isolation? How have you allowed God to participate with you in your isolation? Are you blaming him for your isolation? So you can't really receive the freedom because you're blaming him for the isolation? How are you participating by faith for what you are going through? A lot of times I think that we acknowledge and react to the storm, but we do not respond to it by faith. And whenever you are in an isolated state situation, whenever you're in a dark space and you are praying, but you are not praying in a place of belief. You're not praying in a place of I trust you, but you're praying in a place of I'm not really sure if this is going to work out. You're pl. You're praying in a place of fear and bitterness and anger and anxiety. God cannot move effectively actively in your life if the way that you choose to have him participate is in a blame game. If you don't want him to participate by bringing you peace, by bringing you faith, by bringing you power, by bringing you purpose, by activating the anointing that's on the inside of you that would cause these things to be broken, then you don't want him to participate, so you should stop praying. Because if you don't want God to fully participate with you in your process, then don't pray for him to be with you in the process.
Pastor Corey
Is it. Is it possible.
Pastor Don
Is it.
Pastor Corey
Is it possible that Moses becomes a template when his mother lays him in the ark of how we're supposed to be when God puts us in isolation? In other words, we're supposed to lay there like a baby and say, God.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Wherever you lead me, wherever you lead.
Pastor Corey
Me, that's where I supposed to be.
Pastor Don
Alligators and snakes and. And. And river monsters.
Dr. Oscar Williams
That was a new one.
Pastor Corey
That's a new one on me. River, river, river, river monsters.
Host/Moderator
Use your sanctified imagination, perhaps.
Pastor Corey
Yeah.
Pastor Don
Chronicles of Narnia. I don't know.
Pastor Corey
Most animals hunt by the smell. They. They hunt by the smell.
Pastor Don
Oh, my.
Pastor Corey
They hunt by. They smell it. Is it possible, as the deer panted after the water brook, so does my soul panted that to the. Oh, God. Is it possible. The hiding place so they couldn't be attacked because if they had been put.
Pastor Don
Anywhere else, the water was.
Pastor Corey
The water was the hiding place.
Pastor Don
That's dirty work.
Pastor Corey
And the vehicle.
Dr. Oscar Williams
I'm sorry.
Host/Moderator
No, no, no, no.
Pastor Don
Dirty work.
Host/Moderator
Because the water being the hiding place, the water is always representative of his word. If you look at the Book of Revelation, the sound of his voice sounded like many waters. And when the text. He was carried by the Word. He's carried by the word. There is a flow.
Pastor Don
Thousand times the. 23,000 times. 250 times. We hear about water, and the water.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Is part of the birthing canal.
Host/Moderator
It's part of the birthing canal, and.
Pastor Don
It has to be broken. The water has to come. You're starting it in order for deliverance.
Dr. Oscar Williams
In order to carry.
Host/Moderator
So perhaps in order to carry the seed. So perhaps you're trying to flow without water.
Pastor Don
Are you trying to flow without water?
Host/Moderator
Because the key is what Pastor Don articulated in terms of the text. You've got to eat the lamb. You got to eat the whole lamb. Eat the whole roll, Zachariah. Eat the whole word. Sometimes we read his word, but we're not eating it.
Pastor Don
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
There is a difference between reading and actually digesting the word of God.
Pastor Don
Indubitably.
Pastor Corey
The. You can't move past that.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Go back, Oscar. I know where you're going.
Host/Moderator
You're so good.
Dr. Oscar Williams
But can I just tag to what Pastor Corey was saying about this participatory type of deliverance? Because I think that key was so. It was so potent, it took me to Lazarus. When Jesus goes to ultimately resurrect Lazarus, he gives an assignment to the people standing at the tomb. Which underscores what she was saying, that this next deliverance, this next resurrection, you just can't stand idly by and I'm gonna call you forth, but you gotta take off the clothes, you gotta roll away the stone. There is a, there is a part that you have to play in this resurrection part that's get. It's getting ready to happen. He's getting ready to call you forth. I'm getting ready to deliver you. But you have to take part in this deliverance because you have to understand. And when we really get into it, I was studying about the lamb. I've always thought that when the Bible says, when God says get a lamb, I'm thinking a little baby lamb, but if you research it, this is a one year old lamb. So they had to wrestle in finding this wasn't just go out to the pastor and get it. This is you gonna get delivered. But I'm gonna put you to work with this deliverance. Cause you're gonna understand it's gonna take some work to get you out of this. You may have gotten yourself in it, I'm gonna get you out of it, but you gonna understand. So the next time you gonna have to wrestle for this deliverance. Because it's gonna remind you the next time you see a place that you're not supposed to be, I don't wanna have to go through that again. It's gonna put back into your remembrance. I don't want God to have to bring me out because it took all of that to get me out in the first place. So I'm gonna stay free.
Pastor Don
This is going to mark how it happened with Moses and the ten Commandments. That first round, you didn't have to do much.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Oh, come on now.
Pastor Don
But that second round, I'm gonna send.
Dr. Oscar Williams
You back up there. I'm gonna send you back up, but you gotta write this yourself.
Pastor Don
Come on, come on.
Host/Moderator
So right in the middle there, because Moses breaks the Ten Commandments out of anger, could it be possible that God blesses you, he pulls you out of isolation, but you're so frustrated and angry that you, that God is in the process, you do things out of frustration to push him out. What's the real reason we go into isolation? Sometimes dutifully, sometimes it's rightfully so. Sometimes we are actually in isolation based upon childhood circumstance, disease, calamity. But Then there's sometimes that we fall in love with darkness. And the question becomes, when you come out of isolation, who gets the glory? Because sometimes people want the glory themselves. I think it's worth talking about somebody.
Pastor Corey
Somebody. Everybody here shall participate.
Pastor Don
Participate.
Pastor Corey
I can hear everybody shall participate. I'm saying that because I'm gonna probably make some parents angry right here. You gotta participate in your child's deliverance. Because the only way Moses gets delivered is his mother has to be willing to let him go in a place where she's uncomfortable.
Host/Moderator
Whoa.
Pastor Corey
Maybe your method of saving your kids is the wrong way. Maybe God is saying, find a Nile at firehouse and let him go.
Pastor Don
You gotta trust them with alligators and.
Host/Moderator
Snakes, but you know how we are about our children.
Dr. Oscar Williams
But put them in my word. That's that water. It is not just letting them go, but put them in a place that they'll be surrounded by everything that I've already created to protect them.
Pastor Don
Understanding that there will still be a risk in the water. Yeah, you're putting them in my word. But there is still a risk in this walk. The enemy is not around here not trying to get you. When you decide to walk it out, the enemy comes and he wants to walk too. Also. We're all walking. And so there is going to be risk in the water. But if you keep letting the risk in the water stop you from reaching, you're going to stay bound in something that you have the power to break free from.
Pastor Corey
Come on.
Pastor Don
The reason why your participation is required is because you know what you going through. Don't nobody else know what she put in that water but her. Nobody else knows like you what's in your water. Nobody knows what tears you cried, what sins you committed knowingly and unknowingly. What you have buried that has to rise up again in order for you to be great. Nobody knows your dirt like you know your dirt. So your participation is required because you can't get free from what you won't face. And we can't face it for you. We can pray with you. We can tell you what we see. We can give you direction on how to flow in the word of God. We can can sit here and walk it out Wednesday with you. But when you go home behind your own door, with your own struggle, your own addiction, your own problem, your own darkness, you have to be able to speak to yourself and say, look, girl, you gonna have to get it together. You are acting a fool. You really out here wilding out. You gotta pull it together. Yeah, the devil is attacking you. But some of this is you. Oh, they don't want to hear that.
Pastor Corey
It's the truth.
Dr. Oscar Williams
But you know what's good? Something sparked when you said that, because even with the risk in the water, he was covered, he was protected. And this is the beauty of when you equated it to the ark. I do believe that it is a type and shadow of the ark. It is the ark of safety of God. That I can go in places. I can go through the valley of the shadow of death and not fear any evil because that thou art with me. I can go down a river with all those things that you aforementioned, but I am covered. I am in the ark of safety. And he's going to make sure I reach the destination. Because that isolation that God puts me in is only for a determined period. There is an expiration. And then when I get to the point of rescue, he's already got somebody and something there that's going to take me to my next place and see.
Pastor Don
Moses didn't know who he was going to be. And she didn't either.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Yeah.
Pastor Don
Hello. She didn't either. She just put her baby in the water in the hopes that he would be something, in the hopes that somebody would find him, in the hopes that somebody would grab him in the hopes that he would survive. She did not know all. All she did was put her belief in the water. She put her faith in the water. She put her baby in that ark and she pushed him down that ark. And she didn't know. She didn't know that he was going to be a deliverer of her people. She didn't know what she was going to be putting in that water, was going to break the shackles off of a generation. She didn't know. You do not know what. What God has on the other side of what you let him break you free from.
Pastor Corey
No, you got to say that again.
Pastor Don
You know what God has on the other side of what you let him break you free from. You have no idea what is on the other side. Jonah didn't know that he was going to save thousands, but he just had.
Dr. Oscar Williams
To get in the water.
Pastor Don
Had to get in the water.
Dr. Oscar Williams
He had to jump in the water.
Pastor Don
That he could walk on water. He just had to step to get in the water. You don't know. Noah didn't know that he could build an ark. He just had to build an ark to put it in the water.
Dr. Oscar Williams
And here, Jesus knew what was in the water when he got in the boat and went to sleep while they Were up worrying. Jesus went to sleep because he understood though you are looking at the storm. I control the water.
Pastor Don
I do you one better. The text says that Jesus brought a little cushion with him. So this would suggest that he prepared to take a nap knowing that the storm was going to come. He prepared to rest knowing that the waves were going.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Because he's the God of the wind and the water.
Host/Moderator
I'm just saying this preacher symposium is.
Pastor Don
Good in the water when he's the God of the wind and the water.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Because he was hovering over the face of the water.
Host/Moderator
That's all I before he could before make some noise. If y' all enjoying this, we want to dig deeper into this isolation. But I it. It cannot go unnoticed that the basket, which is a portion of wood. Wood in scripture represents humanity. Gold typically is divinity, but wood is humanity. So she's putting humanity in the water of the word. No matter what you do, it is going to be your humanity trusting divinity.
Pastor Corey
So you. So you finna start something that they've already started. Because if wood represents the humanity and the door is made out of wood and he says, put the blood on the doorpost.
Host/Moderator
I was trying to save it to.
Pastor Corey
The end, Pastor Humanity. The blood covers humanity because the door represents wood. So God is saying, who's ever in the house. I'm not concerned about what you did as long as you under the COVID And Pastor Don.
Host/Moderator
Oh, God. Well, we want to get to this next clip, but I got to sneak this in. The text says to put the blood on the doorposts and the lentils. Wait a minute, wait a minute. The door posts horizontally and the lentils vertically.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host/Moderator
Wait a minute. I just let me. I want to make sure I'm understanding. Dr. Williams, you. You can affirm.
Pastor Don
Walk it out.
Host/Moderator
Door post is horizontal. Lentils are vertical. Sounds like to me that this is a picture of the coming of the possibility of a cross. Media team help us with this next clip because we want to dig deeper into isolation and why we isolate. Deeper, deeper.
Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts
My subject for those of you who like to take notes is the expiration of isolation. The expiration of isolation. I want to start this message first by taking a little bit of inventory. Experience you will of the people in the room. I want to know if you are in this room and listen clearly. You love asking for help. It is easy for you. The moment that you begin to feel frustrated or you feel overwhelmed, it is your first. Your first go to. You don't wait to figure things out on your own. Your first call is to someone who you know can help you. You don't mind asking for help. You don't think people will judge you. You don't mind asking again. Even if someone rejects you. If that's you, I want you to pop up. Oh, is somebody. Oh, you stood. And this one person. God has favorites, ladies and gentlemen, because the rest of us have a little bit of a struggle bus issue. Can you just thank God for what he did in her life and that it would overflow into the lives of other people, Mainly me, because I'm one of those people who struggle to ask for help. Somewhere along the way, I'm not exactly sure, I learned that it was best if I kind of figured things out on my own. And there must be a few other people like me in this room who learn to figure things out on your own. Maybe you didn't quite fit in. Maybe no one came to save you, so you had to figure things out on your own. It's not that you wanted to figure things out on your own. It's just that you didn't have the mentor. Your parents didn't have the capacity. You had to figure things out on your own. They opened up once, and maybe they experienced betrayal. You just had to figure things out on your own. You could be in a room full of people, and yet you would never let them know that you needed something. And it's not necessarily because you don't have the need. You just learn that it wasn't okay.
Pastor Don
To have the need.
Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts
You don't know how to express the need. Sometimes we find ourselves in this form of isolation. Not just physically isolated, sometimes emotionally, spiritually, mentally isolated, in a marriage with friendships, but isolated in corporate worlds, but still isolated. And isolation is very unique because isolation begins to make us believe that no one quite understands us fully. We could be in a room full of people and be having a worship experience. But if we really, really allowed God into that space where we have experienced isolation, we would maybe cry and never stop crying. Because we don't even go in that space of isolation Sometimes. Sometimes we don't even know how to invite the presence of God into that space of isolation. Sometimes we're so busy functioning with the walls that we have built around our heart that we don't even know how to get in ourselves anymore. Has anyone ever been isolated? I don't mean where people weren't around you. I mean isolated. No one understood my thoughts. No one understood what was happening in my world. I felt isolated. No one understood the gift of gifts that Were on the inside of me. I felt isolated. Has anyone ever felt like it was just me? Not that I'm the only person in the world, But I'm the only person with this kind of world. Isolated. Growing up, I mean, isolated from stage to stage to stage in my life. I look back over my life, and even though I was surrounded by people, I felt isolated. It was a gift that was on my life that made me feel isolated. There was a trauma I experienced that made me feel isolated. I've been in this thing for so long by myself that I don't even know how to invite someone into the isolation. It's not that I don't want to love you. It's not that I don't need your friendship. It's just I don't know how to let anybody in. Because all I've ever known is how to figure it out on my own. I've been isolated.
Host/Moderator
If you can identify with that, make some noise. There are reasons that we isolate. Sometimes it's childhood, Sometimes it's the way you learn to cope. Why do we isolate, Dr. Williams?
Dr. Oscar Williams
I think it's varied reasons. Let me go on this side of it. I think some isolations are not so much because of an intentionality on our part. I think culture and community sometimes. Sometimes isolate us based off of things that we don't have any control over. The 10 lepers were isolated. They were isolated based off of their condition. The community at that time would not allow people with their sickness and their disease inside a community. And by law, they had to isolate outside. They had to leave all things familiar. They had to leave family, they had to leave job. They had to leave everything they knew because of something that they contracted, that we still don't know how. And based off of society norms at that time, it calls for them to be isolated. So some isolation is not your fault. Some isolation happened because of the family that you came from, because of the situation that you're dealing with, because of how people label you. Whether fair or unfair, some isolation has nothing to do with your decision, but the decision of the community and the society that you're in. And that in itself can be frustrating because you're saying, I don't want to be isolated. I don't want to be siloed. I don't want to be separate. I don't want to be an island. But every time I come into the church, nobody looks like me, Nobody sounds like me, Nobody shouts like me. And the community makes me feel isolated because I don't look sound like do what they do. And I'm trying to find my space, my place. But where do I go when everything around me has isolated me against my own will?
Host/Moderator
Do you all agree with that?
Pastor Corey
Well, I absolutely agree with him. But to me, isolation is like flipping a coin. It's not all bad and it's not all good because some isolation is like quarantine if there's an infectious disease happening. And my isolation saves me. Sometimes isolation can save your life. So it works both ways, but for me, it's the perception of how you see it. But if you say isolated, God, isolate me, it's no. Sometimes God's isolation is protection. So you gotta check yourself to make sure that you are not addicted to being around people that are not helpful for your future, that God chooses to pull you away. And you label it as isolation when it's really a birthing canal.
Host/Moderator
Oh, God. Pastor Corey, we often see, typically, I believe it is mothers will carry the baby from 36 to 40 weeks. Pastor Sarah later on talks about the fetus. And obviously the baby's meant to grow within the placenta. And then there is a time for breaking and a dilation. But how did we know when to dilate? I was praying and the Lord began to talk to me about this sermon. And he says, sometimes you don't know when to dilate. You don't know when to expand. In other words, let you out. And sometimes I think we like keeping.
Pastor Corey
I'm a man. I don't know how to do it ourselves. Help me. I don't know how to do that.
Pastor Don
I don't want you to know how to dilate.
Host/Moderator
Spiritual dilation. This is just spiritual, emotional.
Dr. Oscar Williams
But isn't it the body, the body that ultimately knows when to push out what has been birthed, the seed inside. And that's a spiritual thing. I believe that in God, in his sovereignty, that whatever God isolated situation he has put us in, this is why this title is so amazing, because the expiration has already been set. God has already given an expiration date to the isolation that he's put you you in. Whether it's willfully or unwillfully, God has already said, I'm going to have you incubated for this long period. But when we get to this moment, like he did with the children of Israel, I am bringing a deliverer to bring you out of this, even if you don't feel like you should. Because the reality of it is, though Israel had been enslaved, even when they came out, they were still enslaved in their minds. You can be released from isolation, but your mind still be isolated.
Pastor Corey
That is so good.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Walking around free and not. No. That's why Jesus with the ten lepers, when the one came back, it was his release from isolation. And he said, now, because you understand that I let you go now go your way. Now I can send you. Because it's not only your physical that has been released from isolation, but some people need to get isolation out of their mind.
Pastor Corey
That's good.
Pastor Don
When, when you think about dilation, for most women, dilation happens after a series of contractions, a series of pain, a series of pain that can last up to minutes at a time. And this is series. This, this is happening. Some, some women go into labor for 36 hours. Contraction after contraction is dilating. And the reason why the body knows to dilate is that there is nothing more that this body can do for what is inside of this wound.
Host/Moderator
I knew you were killing.
Pastor Don
Body has given everything that it can possibly give to this fetus. Everything it needs now has to be done outside, outside of isolation. They have to learn how to breathe in the space outside of isolation. They have to learn how to laugh, they have to learn how to cry. They have to learn how to have emotional with all. They have to learn how to live in this space outside of isolation. The body knows to dilate. When the womb and the fetus have said, said there's nothing more left that we can give to this.
Dr. Oscar Williams
So could it be that these 10 plagues were the contractions?
Pastor Don
There's nothing more left.
Dr. Oscar Williams
There's nothing more left. And that's why God says, get from the Egyptians, the gold and silver. And the other part of the. The last plague was not only slaughtering the lamb, but I want you to be prepared to leave.
Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts
Yeah.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Put on your sandals, put on your cloak. Don't eat this meal relaxed, because you're getting ready to come out of this womb, and I want you to be ready to go. You don't see it now. You don't know what's going to happen. But when you come out of this, you got to be ready because the body is getting ready to give you up.
Host/Moderator
Pastor Don, the reason why I want you to jump into this is because I knew Pastor Corey would kill it. In terms of the dilation, my focus would be what keeps some women in postpartum longer than others. Because sometimes, from my understanding, postpartum really happens because the mother's gotten used to having the baby. Now she's on the outside. And then some mothers. My bride, she had our Youngest son Josh was in the NICU unit for almost three months. So it was difficult for her birthing a baby, but having to leave him in the hospital. What keeps us in part what keeps us our dreams in postpartum. We've delivered, we've blessed. But there is something that we miss about the relationship and the juxtaposition of what we used to have.
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Pastor Corey
That you have no wisdom about. He asking me about postpartum. Like I can give a right answer for you online and in here. There is absolutely nothing I can say that's gonna be right. I can be medically right, but I.
Host/Moderator
Suppose I still don't know spiritual postpartum.
Pastor Don
Postpartum. Well, I can speak on it a little bit. Justice Mitch, I have a lot of pregnant friends and I could have been a midwife. Honestly. Honestly, I believe that what keeps us in postpartum, spiritually and physically, is when it doesn't happen the way that we expected. The love doesn't happen the way we expected. The birth doesn't happen the way we expected. The participation of our spouse doesn't happen the way that we expected it. The way that the child looks at us doesn't happen the way that we expected it. We thought we were going to bring the baby home. It doesn't happen the way that we expected it. And trauma lasts in the body for five years and it's traumatic in general to have a baby. So when you add on the general trauma of having a baby and then you put this baby in the NICU and you then tell me I have to now leave My baby that I just had with people that I do not know and trust that they are going to love this baby and care for this baby better than I will. And I know that's not true. It's just not true. And so that's difficult. It's difficult. It doesn't happen the way you expected it. And so we are sad, and we're sad long, spiritually and physically. It takes a long time to sadly snap out of the grief of this. Didn't go the way I thought it was going to go. This baby didn't turn out the way that I thought this baby was going to turn out. I'm struggling in a way I wasn't expecting to struggle. And so I am in a postpartum mindset. It didn't go the way I wanted it to go.
Pastor Corey
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Pastor Don
Of course, son. I thought I was going to say.
Pastor Corey
It just like that. Lily was going to say it just like that. But. But I do. I do want to say this because it. It would have been really ignorant of me to try to answer that particular question without understanding the emotion. I know that, brother. The emotional side. But honestly, I wish most people would understand that sometimes we're just not qualified to answer a question in life. It's like sometimes, why she feel that way? I don't know. I have no idea. And sometimes it'll frustrate you to try to figure it out. I just don't know. But I do want to say something. As you all were talking, the word exit. The word expiration also means entrance. You cannot exit something without walking into something else. I want to throw that out there because you all were talking about the birthing canal, and this is. When Oscar said it, it threw me. Because if possibly. If this is. If this is possibly like you said, the plagues are the contractions for the birthing canal, then what? Pastor Sarah, Exodus 12 is right. Verse 2. He says, this month shall be the beginning of a new month. So now to understand that, you must understand that God is saying, you're no longer under Egyptian time. I'm resetting the time. You don't live in the womb of bondage anymore. You live in the womb of freedom. So what I'm doing is resetting the clock. And if you ever had to reset your watch, you change the time, I change your position of the way you think. So you're no longer living in the womb of Pharaoh. Now I'm gonna put you in the freedom of the blood of the lamb. But There can be no breaking if there is no blood. There can be no deliverance if there is no blood shedding. So I need you to kill the lamb. The lamb is going to be provisioned. Types of shadow of my son however, the angel of death is going to come. The text says it's going to pass by the home. I honestly believe the death angel never saw the home because all they saw was the blood. And when the enemy only sees the blood.
Pastor Don
That's pretty.
Dr. Oscar Williams
But you just said something.
Pastor Don
That's nice.
Dr. Oscar Williams
I was reading and researching about that new month and what was so interesting is the idea that God resets something within a system. So he set a system within the system. It is like or equated to having our calendar year but then having a different fiscal year or this is a new season. Although I'm in the same season with everybody else, God has given me a new season even in an old season. And that was encouraging for me because sometimes when the Bible talks about be in the world, but not of the world, I can be in this thing but don't have to operate the same way everybody else is operating. Because he set me in a different season. And that season can come anytime. I have an exodus. Every time I have an exodus, God has given me a new calendar year. I. I know this is the middle of the year. I know this is. Everybody's going through this, but I'm gonna give you a new season of prosperity. I know this is a season of the world, but I'm putting you in a different season. You can still walk in this and be in a different season and experience a different something even in the same season everybody else is in.
Pastor Corey
I don't think they really understood what you just said. So really, you can be in a snapless season, but still in a provision season? Absolutely. Okay, you'll get that one in morning. So snap cannot be coming.
Pastor Don
My supernatural needs always provided for.
Pastor Corey
So the provision of lack can be in one season, but God reset it.
Dr. Oscar Williams
God can say, I'm getting ready to give you a new month that you've been experiencing and walking. Because Israel had been walking in somebody else's calendar. They were not Egyptians. They were living in a foreign land. God is saying, I'm getting ready to right the wrong that you already put yourself in. You've been living by other people's means and other people's methods. You've been living by other cultural norms. But when I bring you out of this, this time, I'm getting ready to put you in the season. You're supposed to be in. And you're going to remember this season because you're going to celebrate it with a Passover. Every time you get to this new month, I want you to do something to remind you that every place I was walking that was wrong. God rerouted me into the season that I'm supposed to be in. This is my exodus. This is why I shout. This is why I kill a lamb. Not because I just need to kill something, but I need to remind myself that when the death angel came, he had to pass over because I was going into a new season.
Pastor Corey
Let me tell you why I stood up and I jumped. Because as you were talking, the Lord said the children of Israel did everything I told them to do and watch this. And they were ready even when it was dark.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Come on.
Pastor Don
Come on.
Pastor Corey
So even though the season is dark, I'm ready for tomorrow.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Yes.
Pastor Corey
So I don't care what it looks like.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Listen, listen.
Pastor Corey
I'm ready for what God's getting ready to give me.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Listen. They were ready.
Pastor Corey
Said I wasn't gonna do this.
Dr. Oscar Williams
They were ready. Now check this out. They had seen plague after plague after plague. They did not know that this last plague was going to bring the deliverance. So they had to get. They didn't know it was.
Pastor Corey
You don't know.
Host/Moderator
This is the last one. You don't know.
Pastor Corey
I just felt like shouting at.
Dr. Oscar Williams
So it was put in the comments.
Pastor Corey
This the last one.
Dr. Oscar Williams
It was their faith that made them activate what God had told them. They didn't see it. Remember, they had been through plague one, plague two, plague three. They had seen it happen. They had heard Pharaoh say no over time after time and again. And that's for somebody you've heard know so many times that the enemy is trying to keep you down. But God said, get ready, get ready, get ready. Put your clothes on, get your staff in your hand, because this is the last one. Last time you see this Pharaoh. Because what I'm getting ready to do in this plague is getting ready to set you free.
Pastor Corey
This is the last one.
Pastor Don
I like it. I like it. It's hot. It's hot.
Host/Moderator
Now to censor this. It was mentioned that this was at least a one year old, typically male lamb. That's typically 4.9 liters of blood. Of course, that's over 1.3 gallons of blood.
Pastor Don
Absolutely.
Host/Moderator
This means they had to get their heads dirty. I'm amazed by the amount of blood, Pastor Cora.
Pastor Don
I'm amazed that you know how much.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Honestly, you know what's interesting about the blood because that the instructions. First, slaughtering the lamb. But it wasn't just the slaughter of the lamb. It was the application of the blood, that if they had not applied the blood, they would not have reaped the benefits of. Of slaying the Lamb, Preacher. So it wasn't that Jesus was crucified. We needed his blood to flow. Because if he had died and there had been no blood, there would be no remission of sin.
Host/Moderator
And to back it up, this was a lamb that they raised.
Pastor Corey
So I'm so glad you pointed that out, Dobbins.
Host/Moderator
It's personal.
Pastor Corey
It's personal. This. This is.
Host/Moderator
Oh, God. See, See, some of you, I sense. I sense this in the spirit. Some of you, you're out and you're no longer isolated, but there are people in your family that you're trying to drag out. It's personal. It's personal.
Pastor Don
And I had to leave them alone and let them be dragged out by their own self.
Host/Moderator
Well, we're all community, so you're going to go in, but you have to have the understanding that whatever they won't let go of is personal. Is it the. Is it the alcohol? Or is the bottle reminiscent of something in the baby crib that you didn't think you got when you were a little boy?
Pastor Corey
Well.
Host/Moderator
Well, is it really the hit or the high or. Or is it how you spell relief? Is it the man or the woman that you cannot let go of? Or is it the fact that they are necessizing the pain that you refuse to confront? This is this. This land was personal. And there's a lot of blood here. And if you're honest with yourself, the thing sometimes that keeps you bound and keeps you trapped and keeps you at the door, the entrance of deliverance, but not walking through. It's a whole lot of it. It's bloody, it's messy, it's heavy. It's a lot of leaders.
Pastor Corey
It's funny you say that. And when I really want you all to understand what he's saying, when he says you take care of it, you didn't catch the lamb and then kill it. You on day 10, nurtured that. You nurtured it. You raised that lamb.
Pastor Don
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
You watched the mother dilate, saw this.
Pastor Corey
So in other words, this is representation of. This is going to cost you something.
Pastor Don
Yeah.
Pastor Corey
This is a foreshadow that Christ is teaching us. The anointing costs you something. And when you realize how much you paid for something, you don't give it up cheaply.
Host/Moderator
Oh, and because you mentioned Jesus you must understand that the disciples walk with Jesus. The people walked with him. This is why Mary is crying at the cross. His. There's a lot of research that shows people crying. Everybody. Everybody wasn't making fun of him, jeering him. There were some people who were crying, really touched because he fed them when they didn't have snacks.
Dr. Oscar Williams
I know we have to get to a question, but on this subject, I want us to not pass by the fact that it was strength in numbers. This is something Pastor Sarah brought up, that it wasn't just enough for your family.
Pastor Corey
Absolutely.
Dr. Oscar Williams
You had to be concerned, or at least you had to be aware of your neighbors, of your neighbors. Because there are two aspects of this. First of all, everybody in your house had to be in the house.
Pastor Corey
In the house to be covered by the blood.
Dr. Oscar Williams
It wasn't just enough to be a part of the lineage, but you had to be in the ark.
Host/Moderator
I'm so glad y' all came to church.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Was a form, a type of shadow of the ark. Moses was going to be saved, but he had to be in the ark. The children of Israel going to be saved, but they had to stay in. They had to stay in the house. But if the lamb was too big for your family, you had to partner. This is the strength of numbers. This is. This is the connection, the collaborative effort of being delivered. It is not just me coming out. This is the whole thing about not staying in isolation, because what you have may be a blessing to somebody else. And if I stay closed, somebody's gonna go without. So this deliverance is not just for me. It is not just for my house. But I got to make sure that you got some of this lamb too.
Pastor Don
Well, that's the scripture we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony.
Host/Moderator
Oh, I love it. Not just you stay right there. Because this is more than benevolence. This is overflow. And when the Lord has blessed you abundantly, who do you give to? Or do you gloat in your own success?
Pastor Don
So how are you responding in your isolation? What are you doing that says, God, I trust you. What are you speaking that says, I don't want to stay here? When we get comfortable in isolation, we set up shop. We. We get comfortable there. We get comfortable with conviction. We get comfortable with sin. We get comfortable with things that we were never supposed to set up shop with. And so if you are in isolation, if you are in a space of isolation, you would need to be asking yourself, what am I doing in here that shows God I Don't want to stay here forever. What am I saying to myself and to my surroundings that says that I have authority? What kind of worship am I putting in my atmosphere that says that I'm a threat to the enemy? Why would God be putting you in isolation if you didn't have any authority, if you didn't have any power, if you didn't have an anointing, you didn't have a call, you didn't. You didn't have a purpose. Why would he be setting you apart if it wasn't for a mighty big calling that is outside of your realm of vision? And so when you are in isolation, it's important for you not only to bring God in, but to bring you in. My. My mom used to tell us all the time, dummy up. It still kind of don't really all the way know what that means.
Host/Moderator
Hey, hey, don't talk about.
Pastor Don
I guess it's like, smarten up. You know, like, get smart about what the enemy's patterns are concerning you.
Host/Moderator
Yeah.
Pastor Don
Don't get afraid of him. Get smart about the way the devil attacks you. Get smart about the way that he approaches your children. Get smart about the enemy. He's cunning and he's crafty, and you can't be so afraid that you can't get smart about him. Dummy up about the enemy. Okay. You have to be able to respond differently in your isolation so that you can see things differently from your isolation.
Pastor Corey
I am a firm believer, as Pastor Gord just said, and I'm gonna summarize for me. I am a firm believer that we hold on to God's divinity while neglecting our human responsibility, that we lean so much. God said. God said, God says, but I'm waiting on you. God said, God, he said, but I'm waiting on you. Now the death angel is coming. You have a responsibility for not only your family, but since you have overflow, provide for somebody else. Because your overflow is their deliverance.
Pastor Don
Yeah.
Pastor Corey
So why would you waste what God gave you when God is more interested in working through you than for you? Yeah, but we want God to give us this. Give me, give me, give me. And God is saying, I'm giving it to you so you can provide for somebody else. So you're the provision. You're the answer. You're the prayer that somebody else has been praying about. God, I need you. God is saying, maybe when you activate you now you can go help them.
Dr. Oscar Williams
You know, it's also, when diving into that, it is, yes, overflow, but also it is the Recognition of. And I think Pastor. Pastor Sarah said, it's so great understanding the transparency that the lamb, when the family understood that the lamb was more than what they needed. It is this unselfish look at what God has placed or blessed me with to understand that when I have an overabundance, that I don't harbor it or I don't just keep it to myself. When I. When I come into a church, into a community, and I understand God has blessed me with gifts, I don't keep it to myself, but I understand that what I have may be a blessing to the community that I'm supposed to be in. And it's the realization. And we live in a society and a culture that would have us keep everything to ourselves, just store up enough. Because you never know when a rainy day is coming. And so we have this type of mentality that I don't want to be concerned about my neighbor because I may need it one day. That's the thing that makes us go buy more than what we need. And the subtle lesson in this is God is teaching them and preparing them that you're going to go into a season in the wilderness where I'm only going to give you enough for that day. And you have to be in a mindset that this next, although you're exiting one place this next season is going to make you realize that God give me each day my daily bread and to be thankful for my daily bread and to be. And to be grateful for God what you place and not to be seeking God. Give me more. Give me more. Give me more, More. But what am I doing? What you gave me. And when I realized that what you gave me can be a blessing to someone else, I don't mind the benevolence.
Pastor Corey
Yeah.
Host/Moderator
Dr. Williams is so on point. And many of you just raise your hand if you have items in your covet that have expired. Am I the only one who's have canned goods food? Because there's an overflow reality.
Pastor Don
It would have been a right.
Host/Moderator
Right. But Pastor Don says we don't want to just hide divine divinity, hide behind divinity. We want to show humanity. So at this moment in time, we're going to do something a little different. We want to take live questions as many as we can. We will have Mr. Frank Dyer to my left. We will have Pastor Cora Jake to my right. We want to be able to answer your direct questions. If you're still watching us and tapped in, I know we've got thousands tapped in. Sometimes we might not be able to get to every question. This is why you want to put them in on a Sunday. But throw your questions in the chat. You never know who in our global community can answer your question on the spot. If you've got a question, we'll take maybe the first two or three on my left and the first two or three on my right. We'll take the first two on left and two on my right.
Pastor Corey
And while the questions are coming, while they're getting in line, I think you need to realize, yeah, you go get in line. This is the turning point for Israel. This is the turning point.
Host/Moderator
Yes.
Pastor Corey
Some of us, we don't realize this is our turning point. Whether you're in walk it out Wednesday, whether God is talking to you, God is saying, this is your season, that I'm turning it in your. And this is the turning point because.
Host/Moderator
Perhaps to Pastor Don's point, perhaps you've got something that's burdening you, a problem. And the answer is in this room.
Pastor Corey
Absolutely. Yes.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Thank you, guys.
Host/Moderator
So.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Isolating from the world and now.
Host/Moderator
I'm trying to give myself to God. How do I step out of isolation.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Into ministry and my purpose into ministry?
Host/Moderator
Oh, that's good. I think it a little. I think it'll be a little bit of both. There's going to be a cross pollination, being in the. We're in the world, but we're not of the world, which means that you're going to have the ability to be who God has called you to be in the midst of worldliness. I would recommend several things and I'll let one of my colleagues jump in as well. I would recommend a couple clear cut vision. Where do you see yourself? That's number one. Number two, what is my spiritual mission? What am I trying to accomplish? What has God called me to do and when will I do it? The title of this tournament of this sermon is the expiration of isolation, which means you've got to put a date on your spiritual dream. And then I would detail goals down and, and the last thing I would do is write down initiatives. Initiatives are your causes. Suppose you do everything God has told you to do. Who will you help? Who will you help build? Where will your overflow or the benevolence of what God gave you, where will it land? I hope that helps.
Pastor Corey
So probably briefly for me, what I would do is every isolation has an assignment. So don't just run away from isolation when you're in ministry. There is isolation in ministry. So please don't let anybody fool.
Host/Moderator
We didn't hear you, Pastor. Can you say that again for the.
Pastor Corey
People in the back, please? Don't let that fool you because there's one season that's going to be extremely important for you, and that's the isolation of detox. When you're moving from one world to the next. Pastor Cor alluded to it, you got to learn how to breathe in that new world. So you got to detox from the old you and establish the new you and learn how to manage your trauma from the old world. So isolation is important. It's just recognizing the assignment of it. And God give me management skills on how do I do it. As you're moving me from these church terminology from worldly to ministry and establish the definition. What is ministry to you?
Pastor Don
I think what I would say is introduce yourself, Reintroduce yourself to your followers, to the Pete, to your friends, to your family.
Pastor Corey
Yeah.
Pastor Don
I am stepping out of who you all used to know me as. And I am walking into who God has called me to be. I don't really know exactly how that is going to look, but who you used to know me as, you won't know me as him anymore. The way I used to talk, the way I used to move, the way I used to. To hang out, the way I used to kick it. That's not me anymore. So introduce them to the new you while you're discovering the new you.
Host/Moderator
Excellent. And these are a group of preachers, all in this section right here. Introduce yourself to them. This is the beginning of the expiration of your isolation.
Pastor Corey
Please allow me to reintroduce myself.
Pastor Don
Okay.
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Pastor Don
Thank you for your your time with us, Pastor Sarah.
Host/Moderator
Spoke between the timestamp of 21 minutes.
Pastor Don
To 27 minutes about making sure that.
Host/Moderator
You'Re checking in with the person that's next to.
Dr. Oscar Williams
To you.
Host/Moderator
I've come in contact with a lot.
Pastor Don
Of, in my personal life, my co workers attempting suicide recently. How can we talk to people that.
Host/Moderator
We feel that they're isolating and they're.
Pastor Don
Not saying anything Instead of saying, hey, you good, you're good? Or how can we break it when.
Host/Moderator
We feel that maybe that depression is.
Pastor Don
Take you can notice in them.
Host/Moderator
So as not to have it sugarcoated.
Pastor Don
But I really do, from a loving.
Host/Moderator
Heart, care about your mental and emotional wellness in this particular moment.
Dr. Oscar Williams
I think that's so, so amazing. Such an amazing question. I will say two things to that. I think relationship, pure intention behind relationship always smooths a path for that type of conversation. I think we live in a world where we are prompted by the ideas that friends come through clicks of a button. And so we have devalued the time that it takes to really establish good relationship because as quickly as I can friend you, I can unfriend you the same way. And so our communication now is purely, in a lot of situations, virtual. It's purely what I see, what you allow me to see. And I think the key to your question in all of us is doing the work to really establish healthy relationships with those that we come into contact. If I see that my assignment is to go ye. Therefore, if I stop right there, then I understand that the work I have to do with my brothers and my sisters is not just about learning what's on the facade of them, but sitting with them and having conversation. That's not transactional. That every time I talk to you is not to get something or to get give. To give you something, but it's simply to understand who we are in this season together and in that. This is the second thing I will say when you ask the question, are you good? When you ask the question, are you okay? Wait for the response. We are so quick. And we are programmed to just give the quick, yeah, I'm good. And we won't because it's performative. It's just. I'm doing it because I'm Christian. How you doing? I'm okay. Whatever. But imagine what would happen if someone. If you ask that question and you weighed it and allow them to answer, not force an answer, but let them know, I'm gonna be here. I'm gonna put on the spirit of being in person, the spirit of presence. And I'm Gonna sit with you so that when you are ready to answer that, I'm here to hear the answer and not rush past it. And that's the way we start to establish trust. Because the thing of isolation, a lot of times isolation has come because I've been hurt, because I trusted before. That trust has been abused, and it's pushed me into a place where the only person I can trust is myself, which puts me on an island. And so you're fighting against all of these layers, but they can be overcome when I really establish pure and intentional relationship with the person.
Host/Moderator
I think he answered that perfectly. I just want to applaud you for having a big heart. Can we give God glory, honor, and praise? Real trust takes time. We've got time for a couple more.
Pastor Don
Hi. My question is I am. I have been isolated. I'm still in isolation. But today I believe I was tested. And the reason why I said that I was tested is because somebody at my job came at me and just slammed his voice. I mean, he wanted to humiliate me, but for some reason, I stood my ground and I had peace, so. I know, but. But my question is, what is my. I mean, I'm trying to figure out my purpose. What am I? Actually, I'm confused. I don't know what my purpose is. Yeah, I'm supposed to go.
Host/Moderator
I. I want. I. I think my spirit is picking up that what happened today is a distraction, but yet it's a warning for how valuable you are. Look at all the humiliation, the things that tried to break you. You came to Bible study tonight. You're standing tall and strong asking a question, and then you're narrowing it down to say, God, what is my purpose? And so I want to remind you this is a brief answer. We can follow up more after Bible. I want to remind you that the worm goes into the cocoon to become a butterfly. The cocoon is dark. I know it's uncomfortable, but it's shedding layers in order to become a butterfly. I believe that there was a younger woman in you, and it's okay, let the tears flow. I believe that there's a younger woman in you. There is a brighter woman in you. There is a businesswoman in you. There is a vibrant woman in you. There is a lover in you. There is joy in you. And I got a sneaky suspicion that life tried to beat you down, but I come against it. In Jesus name, we rebuke every spirit of depression and anxiety. You will be who God has called you to be. Last brief prophetic Things that I see, I see this little girl who was so joyous, who was abundant, who had the hope and expectation of a giant. Go back to her. The grown woman must meet the little girl and tell the little girl to rise and become a brand new woman again. You are valuable. You are somebody. The thing that you would do for free, do that. What gives you joy and peace, run in it. I dare five sisters to run and hug her and encourage her and bless her. We are a church that is community. This is why we do walk it out Wednesday so that you would feel the love of God, Satan. The blood is against you. You'll not have her mind. You'll not have her spirit. She will be who God has called her to be. Oh, my, oh, my.
Pastor Corey
While they're loving on her, delivering her. I. I sense something here. When Pastor Dobbin said that, do you not know that that question can be a distraction that the enemy throws at you? What is my purpose? Because oftentimes we think the word purpose is a destination. The word purpose is a journey. It is the reason why a thing exists. One season of your life, you can be purpose to be a mother. The next purpose, it could be a grandmother. The next purpose can be a author. The next can be an entrepreneur. So please don't limit the word purpose to a destiny, because once you reach it, that means your destiny is over with. So if you only think it's a destination, then after that thing has been reached, then there's no reason for you to exist. When God says no, there's more in your you. So purpose is evolution. So don't just think that today your purpose was not to beat him up. I'm just. I'm just. I just want to make you smile. That's. I just want to make you smile.
Host/Moderator
Dr. D. Yes, sir. Oh, this is so uncomfortable. But the Lord. I fought with the Lord for two.
Pastor Don
Years about coming to Dallas, and I finally surrendered eight weeks ago.
Host/Moderator
And I came here with my two.
Pastor Don
Kids and two of my nephews.
Host/Moderator
I don't have no family here.
Pastor Don
It's just me and these kids. And when God brought me here, he brought me here out of isolation because I allowed. He blessed me with this very various. Like my business, I'm scaling there drastically. But in other ways, I was isolated. I'm here now. And I know God wants me to.
Host/Moderator
Come out of isolation, but Texas is so big.
Pastor Don
I don't have no family here. It's just Manny's kids.
Host/Moderator
I need help with that, coming out.
Pastor Don
Of isolation, because I know God has.
Host/Moderator
A purpose in for me in the church.
Pastor Don
And then I know God brought me here because I had a dream about my nephew. And when I had that dream, I.
Host/Moderator
Made the decision that I'm going to.
Pastor Don
Move here to save his life. So me moving here, I'm thinking to.
Host/Moderator
Bring him here for him to be in a different environment, coming from Pennsylvania.
Pastor Don
And God is telling me to let him go. And God blessed me.
Host/Moderator
Where. Can I ask how old your nephew is? He's 15. Okay.
Pastor Don
And God has blessed me where I.
Host/Moderator
Can send him to this Christian boarding school that. Because I'm starting to see the generational.
Pastor Don
Curses of my brother and his mother in him.
Host/Moderator
So you have two questions. How do you come out of isolation? And I'm sensing renderhounds.
Pastor Don
You're asking since he was nine months. And I feel like I'm giving up on him.
Host/Moderator
Yeah, you.
Pastor Don
You go.
Host/Moderator
You feel like you're abandoning him.
Dr. Oscar Williams
I feel like I'm abandoning him.
Host/Moderator
And this is so.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Like, this is so hard for me to come.
Host/Moderator
Pastor. Pastor Don. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay.
Pastor Corey
Because what I want her to realize is you said you letting him go to a Christian school. A Christian. So you're releasing him into a Nile. So. So you're releasing him into a Nile. But it's risky. Pastor Sarah said. I meant Pastor Cora said it's risky. Here's the thing. I think you don't have to worry about. I think you got to worry about you. I think you're gonna have to realize God can help you in what you're doing right now because this decision is making you uncomfortable and it hurts you. And that's okay. That's absolutely. Let me say this. It's okay not to be okay. It's okay not to be okay. But what. I don't want you to get distracted by the hands of the enemy and saying, I'm letting him go. I've done something wrong. You have not done anything wrong. Most of the time. Whether it's generational curses or God want to introduce generational blessings. Blessings. God will use somebody in the family that he's allowed to scale in the business to put a new seed somewhere else so they can grow and flourish. The problem with you is I want to tell you this. He's 15 years old. If you would have saw me at 15, you would not think I would be the person I am today.
Host/Moderator
Talk.
Pastor Corey
But somebody. My mother released me and I'm giving you strength to release him and the power that God has given you and the anointing of the move that you just made that God has uncovered, your prayers will be answered.
Host/Moderator
Hallelujah.
Pastor Corey
Your prayers are already answered. The exit from one city is the entrance to another. Maybe God don't want you to get connected to too many people, because the one thing you don't want to do is while you're fresh and new, get around other toxic people. So maybe God will put you in this community and walk it out Wednesday to around a whole bunch of other women to know what it feels like to release, which technically is your son.
Host/Moderator
I would.
Dr. Oscar Williams
I would add this to this. If you trusted the voice of God this far.
Pastor Don
Yes.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Don't allow the enemy to rob you.
Host/Moderator
Come on.
Dr. Oscar Williams
Of the knowledge and the discipline of his voice. The hardest thing, and this goes right with Exodus, right with what we're talking about, is that the problem with the children of Israel is that they started to doubt the deliverer that had brought them out. The reason they got in trouble is because they wanted to create another God that they had served in Egypt instead of trusting the God that had brought them through the Exodus. And if you trusted God's voice enough to leave where you were from and to come here and if you can see the manifestation of God's voice in your life, right now I hear the Holy Spirit saying, why would you stop trusting me now? I am the same God that gave you direction to this point. Don't you let the enemy get in your ear. Don't you let the enemy entice you with other words. You better close down that voice of the enemy. Grab. Grab it out of the air, pull it down and say, God, I know your voice, and I will not follow another. Affirm that in your spirit and walk in that.
Pastor Corey
Yes.
Pastor Don
Can I just add just a little, Just a little piece?
Pastor Corey
Come on, sister.
Pastor Don
Moses had to be released in order to learn the customs of the royal line that he would have to fight later to deliver his people. It wasn't even about Moses, mother. It wasn't even about his sister. It was about what Moses had to learn in the environment so that he could fulfill his purpose. And so, yes, it was hard for his mom to put him in the water. And yes, it was difficult for her to watch him all the way. But if you read a little further in the text, you. She also got an opportunity to continue to nurture him and continue to be there for him. Even though she was not noted as his mother, she still was able to nurture him. But he had to learn royal lineage. He had to learn and be in that environment so they would respect him. When he came back to tell Pharaoh, let my people go. He had to develop a relationship with the royal kingdom, he had to develop a relationship with that period in order to conquer his purpose. And so you don't know who he's going to meet in this boarding school. You don't know what he's called to deliver later on from what he learns in this boarding school. But a lot of times we're trying to block our kids from going to. Through stuff that really would help them if we let them go through it so that they could become who God has called them to be.
Dr. Oscar Williams
The text is still being written the text is still being written for, for Everybody. For about 10. The text is stop putting a period where God is placed.
Host/Moderator
Can you jump on your feet and give God praise for this?
Dr. Oscar Williams
The common.
Host/Moderator
You know what I'm sensing is that there are more people in this room that can identify exactly with what she's going through. It might not be a nephew, but for you, it could be a daughter, it could be a son, it could be a vision, it could be a dream. You're either old mother told me one time years ago, she said, baby, you're either in, you're either coming out of a wilderness or you're going into one. Raise your hand if you sense that there's a wilderness that God is bringing you out of. Raise your hand if you think that there's. You sense that there's a wilderness that God is even bringing you into. The same faith that it takes to be delivered from isolation is the same faith that it's going to take to take you to your destiny. Can you give it up for this incredible team wise, powerful counsel? We believe that God is doing something brand new. We believe that God is doing something fresh in your life. We believe that the children of Israel were brought to the last plague, which was the full culmination of what he was about to do with his people. And what God told them is to take the blood and to put it on the doorposts and the lentils. You do know that this is a scale model of what's getting ready to happen in the New Testament. Pastor Sarah even digs down to say what God was giving Moses was an idea, a picture of the body of Christ. Can we give God glory for the blood? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, can we really give him glory for the blood? No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, talking about the immutable blood, I'm talking about the unchangeable blood. I'm talking about the blood. The blood that redeems. The blood that restores. I'm talking about the fullness of the power of the blood of Jesus. Somebody shout the blood. The blood. The blood, the blood, the blood. Come on. The blood over my nephew. The blood over my niece. The blood over my daughter. The blood over my son. The blood over my house. The blood over. God says, when I see the blood, I will pass over you. The reason why the death angel had to pass over. You're right, Pastor Dumb. The death angel did not see them. He just saw the blood because blood was a sign that death had already taken place in the house. Oh, God. Lord have mercy. It is the blood of Jesus that delivers us from the penalty of sin. This is called justification. Just as if I never committed anything wrong. It is the blood of Jesus that pushes us to being delivered from the power of sin. This is sanctification. This is what she's talking about to my preacher that's getting ready to step into his call. Sanctified, to be set apart. And what I sense right now is that some of you in this room are frustrated because you're in isolation. God is calling you out. And then when God calls you out, you feel alone because you're being sanctified and set apart from your old life so you don't fit in. But he's later going to deliver all of us from the presence of sin. And this is the great glorification. This world is not our home. It's not our home. This mortal must put on immortality. This corruptible will put on incorruption. This is not really about isolation. Pastor Sarah pointed it all the way down and really brought us to salvation. I want to challenge somebody tonight, in the stillness of this moment, we will sing, we will shout, we will give God glory and praise. But I need you to really search your heart. You're backslidden and you walked away from God. Meet us at this altar. We want to pray with you. Because sometimes your isolation keeps pulling you away from God. Who am I talking to? The reason why this burden has been in my gut all day long is because the Lord began to talk to me. He said, we will plead the blood of Jesus any and everywhere. But sometimes we don't often challenge our co workers and our family members and our friends to just be saved. To just be saved. Some of you, you're trying to do too much. Bring them to church. Bring them to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Bring them to the basic knowledge of. They hung him high and they stretched him wide on a cross. He died for you and I. It was the blood that came streaming down that was able to snatch our souls out of the pit of hell. Do I have another? Do I have another? I'm gonna ask you, for the sake of being old school, to ask you if you died tonight, if you went home tonight, are you sure that you'd be in heaven? If you're not sure, meet us at this altar. We're not saying this to Lord over you. We're saying this because we want to pray with you and invite you into the kingdom of God. Every blood bought believer makes some noise.
Pastor Don
Mm.
Host/Moderator
Mm. And this next altar call, it's beyond salvation. You're saved. But you're having issues trusting God to bring you out of isolation into revelation. If that's you, me and my colleagues, we will pray with you. We're gonna believe God for your courage. Feel free to come. You know, he some. Something. Pastor Don said something. Pastor cora said something. Dr. Oscar. Pastor Oscar said it was convicting deep down on the inside because you know God is calling you. He's trying to snatch you out of it. But for some reason, you're holding on to the pain. You're holding on to the trauma, you're holding on to the devastation. Where are you? We want to pray with you. We want to pray with you because I believe that the mess is about to become a message. I believe that the trouble is about to push you into triumph. I believe that the problem is only a promise in hiding. I believe that all the instigation, the enemy's been instigating you, fighting you. It's going to be inspiration of the Holy Ghost. You've not failed. God is just staring up your faith. We don't want to do this without you. We're community. They took the lamb, ate as much as they could, and shared it with their household. Everywhere there's a soul. We've got elders and ministers who will come and minister to you and pray with you. We plead the blood of Jesus over your life, that God would give you divine inspiration and instruction. Father, we thank you for giving them the gusto, the courage to step out of the old and walk into the new. God, we thank you for brand new hope, brand new joy, brand new peace, brand new love. God, we thank you that you are pushing them into their destiny. God, we thank you that, as Pastor Don was saying, that purpose is not a destination, but you are letting them know why you created them. But they're going to walk in the journey of their destination and be able to leave a legacy to the next generation. God, we thank you for drying up every wet eye. We thank you, oh, God, for touching the little boy and the little girl deep down on the inside of them. God, we thank you for full restoration, full recovery, and a full rebirthing of their dreams. Do it, Jesus. Do it, Jesus. We're praying for our brothers and sisters online. Oh, God, we pray that you would meet every need. Oh, God, that you would touch like never before. Oh, God, that you're transforming somebody's anger to anointing. You're taking every bad situation, allowing it to be painted in a beautiful way. God, we thank you that the conflict is allowing them to be conformed unto the image of Christ. Do it, Jesus. Fill somebody with the Holy Ghost. Do it, Jesus. Thank you, God, that you're convicting us deep down on the inside because we even thought that we could isolate from you. Have your way, oh, God. Have your way in our homes. Have your way in our own, our jobs. Have your way in ministries. Have your way in the schools. Have your way in their families. Oh, God. Have your way in our minds, God, you commanded us to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Thank you for the transformation that is about to take place. We give you the glory, God. We believe that our best days are ahead and yesterday's darkness is behind. Thank you for revealing light. Come on. If you believe that prayer, shout, hallelujah. Give him glory. Give him honor. Give him praise. Magnify his name. I wish I had a church who was happy. Whoo. Bye bye isolation. Bye bye nightmares. Bye bye. I dare you to do it. You just need to look behind you and say, bye bye. Bye bye low self esteem. Bye bye depression. Bye bye anxiety. Bye bye being a long ranger on an island by myself. Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Bye bye. We're kissing our past goodbye tonight. Whoa. Hallelujah. We have a loving, giving church. I want to first thank God for your giving. Can you give yourselves a hand? Your giving has allowed us to help so many people to build this amazing edifice. Our teenagers are next door worshiping God. We have a fantastic Destiny World children's ministry. Can we give it up for Destiny World? The Lord sold his son, Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago on a cross called Calvary. He was the spotless lamb without spot, wrinkle, or blemish. Hung him high, stretched and wide on a cross. He died, sold him into the ground. But three days later, he was resurrected and reaped you as a harvest. What would happen if you sowed your very best seed tonight. I want to challenge you to give your very best seed in this season. I would love to tell you to give 10,000, 5,000. A thousand five hundred. Only 100 if you have it. But only you know the burden that God has given you to help this ministry change the world. We want to partner with you. We want to partner in being world shakers. World changers. We want to partner with you to give your very best seed. We've got our professional ministry technicians in the aisles. If you need an envelope, just lift up your hand. If someone can bring me my phone, I want to sow into this as well. If you like me, you like to text, to give. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Glory to God. I want to get in on this giving. The Lord says he loves a cheerful giver. I dare you to shout, laugh. Give God glory. Come on. Whoa. One day I read that scripture and I just started laughing like a hyena.
Pastor Don
Ah.
Host/Moderator
He loves a cheerful giver. Listen, whatever you sow will not just come back to 30, 60, and 100fold. Deuteronomy 1:11 says he'll bless you a thousand times more. So many more as you are. If you're ready to give, Shout Ready. You're watching online. Feel free to get in on this. We need your support to continue to change lives. Can we give God glory for the lives we're changing Right here at the Potter's house, If you've got an envelope, if you can pass it all the way down to your left, hallelujah. You can pass it all the way down to your left. The person on the end or everybody. Can we sew it with the praise? Father, we thank you for the multiplicity of these fathers ones. We pray that you would bless them astronomically to be a blessing to the entire world as this ministry grows and transforms lives, snatching people out of the pit of hell and meeting them right at their point of need in community, in prisons, in hospitals, with children, those in college and teenagers, and so much more. We thank you for what you are going to do with this seed now. Holy Ghost, have your way in their finances. I thank you for blessing their cryptocurrency. I thank you for blessing their real estate. I thank you for blessing their 401ks or 403bs or 457s pensions and retirements. We speak of multiplication in the invincible name of Jesus. If you believe it, shout. Amen. Amen. Amen.
Pastor Corey
Come on.
Host/Moderator
I dare you to stand and Give God praise. Pmt. Serve the people of God. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
Pastor Don
Whoo.
Host/Moderator
I'm expecting great things. I don't know about you, but I'm expecting great things. My, my, my, my. How many expecting great things this week? How many expecting great things this week? Can we give God praise for our deacons who doing a valiant who will always do a valiant job? Hallelujah. Everyone standing. If you would reach out and touch your neighbor's hand. Hallelujah. No more isolation. That was the old season. Bye bye isolation. It's expired. Father, we thank you for the word that you gave your daughter. Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts, thank you that she challenged us to put an expiration on the season of isolation. Thank you. That isolation would not be our devastation, but it will push us into the dimension of the destiny and where you're calling us. Father, I pray for traveling, grace and mercy over each and every person. Father, I pray over the next several days as we prepare for Sunday that you do something miraculous in the lives of your people as they step out of isolation and into the full revelation of who they are and what you are calling them to do and to be. We give you the glory, the honor and the praise in the invincible name of Jesus Christ. As the family, we're gonna shout Amen. Amen.
Pastor Don
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Date: November 13, 2025
This episode of Walk It Out Wednesday addresses "The Expiration of Isolation" through a dynamic panel discussion centered on Exodus 12 and Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts’ recent sermon. The panel—featuring Pastor Don, Pastor Corey, Dr. Oscar Williams, Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts, and others—explores biblical narratives, personal testimonies, and pastoral insights into isolation, deliverance, and spiritual participation. The conversation provides practical and deeply spiritual advice for moving from seasons of isolation toward community, purpose, and action.
Moses's Birth and Isolation: Discussing Moses’ mother, Jochebed, who protected him through isolation but recognized when it was time to release him to his destiny (03:31–04:25).
The Protective Nature of Isolation: Isolation sometimes serves as a God-ordained incubator, but staying in it too long can turn protection into bondage (06:59–07:26).
“Sometimes isolation as an incubator can be good, but if we stay too long, it could be devastating.”
— Dr. Oscar Williams [07:26]
Exodus 12’s Unique Plague: In Egypt, God’s final plague required the Israelites to act—to apply the lamb’s blood—unlike prior plagues where God acted alone.
“Deliverance is not just something that God does for us, it's something He does with us and through us.”
— Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts [15:39]
Lamb and Blood as Symbols: The lamb represents Jesus and underscores that spiritual victory requires involvement, humility, and correct application (12:52–14:40).
“You can invite Jesus in but not know how to have a conversation with Him. … The problem is we want out without using His methods to getting out.”
— Pastor Corey [12:52]
Facing Our Own Darkness: Moving beyond blame and victimhood requires honest self-reflection, allowing God into hidden areas (16:14–18:01).
Faith over Familiar Pain: Do not become comfortable or “set up shop” in isolation. Transformation requires active participation, even when it means risk (24:39–26:09).
“You can't get free from what you won't face. We can't face it for you.”
— Pastor Don [24:39]
Reasons for Isolation: Isolation can be self-imposed, circumstantial, or community-driven (e.g., societal rejection, illness, or trauma) (35:56–37:39).
“Some isolation is not your fault. … The community makes me feel isolated because I don't look, sound like, or do what they do.”
— Dr. Oscar Williams [35:56]
When Isolation Protects: Sometimes God isolates us for our development and safety, not as punishment (37:41–38:28).
“Sometimes God's isolation is protection. So you gotta check yourself to make sure that you are not addicted to being around people that are not helpful for your future.”
— Pastor Corey [37:41]
Ending Isolation: The panel compares isolation’s expiration to a woman’s labor—painful contractions (the plagues) prepare the way for deliverance (40:16–42:26).
Postpartum in Spiritual Life: Disappointment or difficulty transitioning after deliverance can lead to a spiritual “postpartum,” especially when outcomes differ from expectation (43:30–46:58).
“What keeps us in postpartum, spiritually and physically, is when it doesn't happen the way that we expected.”
— Pastor Don [45:04]
Benevolence and the Lamb: God’s provision is meant to be shared. If the lamb is too big for one household, share with your neighbor (57:12–58:26).
Isolation as Opportunity for Community: Deliverance and abundance are invitations to bless others and build community, not just to enjoy personal freedom (61:14–62:15).
“God is more interested in working through you than for you.”
— Pastor Corey [61:49]
On the Necessity of Participation
“For this one [deliverance], … it's going to require your participation. Because deliverance is not just something that God does for us, it's something he does with us and through us.”
— Pastor Sarah Jakes Roberts [15:29]
On the Blood and the Doorposts
“The blood covers humanity because the door represents wood. So God is saying, whoever is in the house… I'm not concerned about what you did as long as you're under the covering.”
— Pastor Corey [30:16]
Community vs. Solitude
“If the lamb was too big for your family, you had to partner. … This is the connection, the collaborative effort of being delivered.”
— Dr. Oscar Williams [57:12]
On Season Change
“God is saying, you're no longer under Egyptian time. I'm resetting the time. You don’t live in the womb of bondage anymore, you live in the womb of freedom.”
— Pastor Corey [47:00]
Question: How to help a coworker who is isolating or possibly struggling mentally?
Advice: Build authentic, patient, non-transactional relationships, and wait for honest responses; presence and trust matter (70:13–73:42).
“When you ask ‘Are you good?’—wait for the response… I’m going to put on the spirit of presence and let you know I’ll be here.”
— Dr. Oscar Williams [71:07]
The episode is encouraging, scripturally rooted, and honest—mixing humor, deep reflection, and passionate exhortation. The panel breaks down complex spiritual lessons into relatable stories and action steps. It challenges listeners to participate actively in their spiritual walk, share their blessings, and move out of isolation by faith, even when it's uncomfortable or costly.
“The same faith that it takes to be delivered from isolation is the same faith that it’s going to take to take you to your destiny.”
— Host/Moderator [85:48]
This episode is essential listening for anyone navigating seasons of isolation, seeking spiritual breakthrough, or wanting to understand the biblical pattern for moving from bondage into community and purpose.