The Prancing Pony Podcast - Episode 351: Questions After Nightfall 29 Summary

Release Date: December 8, 2024

Introduction

In Episode 351 of The Prancing Pony Podcast, hosts Alan Sisto and Matt dive deep into the rich lore of J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth. This episode, titled "Questions After Nightfall 29," marks their 29th quarterly Q&A session, where passionate listeners pose intriguing questions about Tolkien's expansive universe. Hosted in a convivial "common room" setting, Alan is joined by an all-star cast of co-hosts, fostering an engaging atmosphere filled with humor, pop culture references, and insightful discussions.

Listener Questions

The majority of the episode revolves around listener-submitted questions, each sparking detailed conversations and thoughtful speculation.

1. Marie: Emerhil's Acceptance of Aragorn as King

Timestamp: [04:00] - [10:00]

Question:
Marie inquires why Éomer, a noble and high-ranking figure, readily accepts Aragorn as the rightful king without demanding concrete proof. She wonders if Éomer's past encounters with Thorongil (Aragorn's alias) or Aragorn's demonstrated prowess in battle influenced his acceptance.

Discussion:
Alan Sisto elucidates that Aragorn's legitimacy is often taken for granted due to his lineage and demonstrated valor. He references Aragorn's embodiment of Elendil's heritage, notably his sword Andúril and the star of Elendil on his brow, which symbolize his royal lineage. Sisto suggests that Éomer's recognition of Aragorn's inherent nobility and Aragorn's proven leadership in battle served as sufficient validation for his kingship.

Notable Quote:
"It's sort of like, here's a guy out here who I'm thinking of that wonderful passage about how Aragorn, Éomer, and Éowyn were unscathed. Like nobody of the enemies wanted to even approach them." — Alan Sisto [06:15]

2. Sam: Limited Backstories of the Nazgûl

Timestamp: [10:09] - [18:13]

Question:
Sam questions why Tolkien provided minimal backstories for the Nazgûl, the primary antagonists of The Lord of the Rings. He wonders if Tolkien intentionally avoided delving deeper into their origins or if some notes went missing.

Discussion:
Alan acknowledges the Nazgûl's enigmatic nature, noting that their mystery contributes to their fearsome presence. He explains that Tolkien hinted the Nazgûl were once powerful Numenorean lords but chose not to elaborate, preserving their status as relentless and terrifying foes. The conversation touches upon the potential origins of unnamed Nazgûl and how their lack of individuality maintains their role as embodiments of fear.

Notable Quotes:
"The less we know, the more terrifying." — Jenny [12:19]
"There are some people who really downright hate the Numenoreans, who would make for a really, really good Nazgûl." — Alan Sisto [17:08]

3. Lewis: Numenorean Lifespan Paradox

Timestamp: [18:15] - [25:55]

Question:
Lewis explores the paradox of the extended lifespans granted to the Numenoreans as a gift from the Valar, juxtaposed with their inherent mortality. He questions why longevity was bestowed if it conflicted with the ultimate gift of mortality.

Discussion:
Alan references The Nature of Middle-earth to explain that the Valar granted Numenoreans longer lifespans as a reward for their faithfulness. However, this extended life ultimately breeds a longing for even greater longevity, leading to unrest and discontent. The conversation delves into how this paradox contributes to the downfall of Numenor, highlighting the tension between extended life and the acceptance of mortality.

Notable Quote:
"And so it seems to me. Is it any wonder that later generations of Numenoreans were confused by this?" — Lewis [19:17]
"They would feel that weariness... They very often became engrossed in lore and crafts." — Alan Sisto [24:12]

4. Nakat: Interpretation of "The Crownless Shall Be King"

Timestamp: [32:34] - [38:36]

Question:
Nakat seeks clarification on the phrase "The crownless shall be king," questioning whether it refers to Numenorean kings being traditionally crownless or if it points to rulers in exile without formal crowns.

Discussion:
Alan and co-hosts discuss the historical context of Numenorean and Northern Kingdoms' succession laws, emphasizing the symbolism of the Elendilmir over traditional crowns. They explore how the absence of crowns aligns with the elves' use of symbols like the Elendilmir and how this tradition persisted or was altered in the realms of Arnor and Gondor.

Notable Quote:
"It's a callback to that, of course, because it's the star of Elendil. And Elendil was the high king over both realms." — Alan Sisto [35:14]
"They were content for so long... it's a really deep tragedy to see." — Matt [38:07]

5. Erika: Elements of the Three Elven Rings

Timestamp: [39:43] - [45:30]

Question:
Erika inquires whether the alignment of the Elven Rings with the elements Earth, Wind, and Fire was intentional, possibly echoing the Silmarils, which are associated with similar elemental themes.

Discussion:
Alan confirms that Tolkien likely intended the Elven Rings to mirror the Silmarils' elemental associations. They discuss Tolkien's linguistic choices and how early versions of the Rings' names hinted at these elements. The hosts consider the symbolic significance of each ring's element and how changing "Earth" to "Fire" for one of the Rings enhanced its narrative purpose.

Notable Quote:
"It was originally going to be Water, Fire, and Earth, and it became Air, Water, and Fire. And I think that almost confirms that it is an echo of the Silmarils." — Alan Sisto [44:48]
"There's a certain poetic nature to that." — Matt [45:07]

6. Jenny: The Role of Celeborn

Timestamp: [45:43] - [53:41]

Question:
Jenny questions the necessity of Celeborn in Tolkien's legendarium, feeling he is an underdeveloped character overshadowed by Galadriel.

Discussion:
Alan defends Celeborn's role, highlighting his wisdom and partnership with Galadriel. The discussion contrasts Celeborn with other Elf lords like Thingol, emphasizing his supportive and humble nature. Marie adds that Celeborn serves as a counterpoint to more domineering figures, showcasing a wise and measured leadership style.

Notable Quote:
"Celeborn is the anti-Thingol, because he's humble. He's also willing to listen to Galadriel." — Marie [51:24]
"She is, as she would say, Celeborn is wise. I'm taking that at face value." — Alan Sisto [51:44]

7. Diane: Tolkien-Inspired Insults Across Races

Timestamp: [53:53] - [61:50]

Question:
Diane explores how different Middle-earth races—Hobbits, Men, Dwarves, Elves—express anger or frustration through culturally grounded insults. She seeks examples of what each race might call someone who's jamming their way in line.

Discussion:
Alan and Matt brainstorm potential insults based on Tolkien's writings and the personalities of each race. They reference specific instances from the books and films, such as Gimli's derogatory remarks and Aragorn's sharp retorts. The conversation highlights how Tolkien imbued each race with unique ways of expression, reflecting their distinct cultures and societal norms.

Notable Quote:
"The hands of the king are hands of a healer... It was a habit of the old." — Alan Sisto [45:07]
"Bilbo insulted the spiders with clever remarks like 'Ioreth would not shut up.'” — Matt [60:43]

8. Jerry: Numenorean Succession Laws in Exile

Timestamp: [61:50] - [72:45]

Question:
Jerry questions why the realms of Arnor and Gondor did not adhere to the strict Numenorean primogeniture laws when they became exiles. He notes the absence of female rulers despite the tradition allowing the eldest child, regardless of gender, to inherit the throne.

Discussion:
Alan delves into the historical context, suggesting that the constant state of warfare and the need for warrior kings in Arnor and Gondor likely influenced their adherence to male-only succession. They discuss how the Stewardship's rise in Gondor may have further sidelined traditional succession laws, emphasizing martial prowess over gender.

Notable Quote:
"We've heard the name of Elendil stands to this day at the head of the lines of kings." — Arvedwi [65:12]
"They were under hostile territory and needed warrior leaders." — Matt [67:36]

9. Sam: Speculation on New Lord of the Rings Movies

Timestamp: [73:00] - [79:24]

Question:
Sam inquires about the potential content of upcoming Lord of the Rings films beyond "The Hunt for Gollum," seeking the hosts' speculation on what stories might be adapted next.

Discussion:
Alan and Matt discuss possible storylines, expressing interest in exploring the adventures of Thorongil (Aragorn's alias) or depicting a young Aragorn's journey. They entertain ideas like a "War in the North" narrative, focusing on key battles and alliances. The conversation emphasizes the vast timeline of Middle-earth and the myriad stories yet to be told.

Notable Quote:
"I would love to see the story of Thorongil. I would really love to see his adventures in Rohan and Gondor." — Alan Sisto [73:35]
"I would love a War in the North film. It would tie to existing films and expand on unanswered stories." — Matt [75:00]

10. Marie: The Elfstone's Role in Aragorn's Healing

Timestamp: [79:31] - [85:11]

Question:
Marie asks about the extent to which the Elfstone aided Aragorn during his healing in the Houses of Healing, questioning whether it significantly enhanced his innate abilities.

Discussion:
Alan outlines the history and significance of the Elfstone (Elessar), detailing its origins and magical properties. He explains that the Elfstone likely amplified Aragorn's natural healing abilities, facilitating his recovery from grievous wounds. Marie adds that the Elfstone symbolizes renewal and environmental preservation, aligning with Aragorn's destiny as the healer-king.

Notable Quote:
"The Elfstone simply amplifies Aragorn's natural healing abilities because of his descent from the line of Luthien." — Matt [82:20]
"It served as a dual-purpose tool for both healing individuals and renewing the environment." — Alan Sisto [84:05]

11. Jerry: Theory on Elves Perceiving the World Flat

Timestamp: [85:11] - [94:14]

Question:
Jerry presents a theory suggesting that while most beings perceive Middle-earth as a spherical world, Elves experience it as flat, explaining their "straight way" to Valinor.

Discussion:
Alan challenges the plausibility of the theory, emphasizing that Middle-earth remains spherical for all inhabitants. They debate the metaphorical implications of the "straight way" and the Elves' unique abilities to depart for Valinor. The conversation underscores the importance of maintaining consistency within Tolkien's world-building while acknowledging fans' creative speculations.

Notable Quote:
"I mean the world is still spherical, and it's spherical for all who live on it." — Alan Sisto [86:46]
"Tolkien was translating these things, so maybe the game was an equivalent to chess." — Matt [94:05]

12. Diane: Hobbits Keeping Pace with Men

Timestamp: [94:12] - [101:54]

Question:
Diane wonders if Hobbits, being smaller and differently paced than Men, had to exert extra effort to keep up during long journeys, such as the trek from Rivendell to Mordor.

Discussion:
Alan and Matt humorously speculate on the logistics, imagining Hobbits walking faster or Men adjusting their pace. They reference Tolkien's meticulous attention to detail, including stride calculations, and entertain lighthearted comparisons to modern elements like Sonic the Hedgehog. The discussion highlights the charm and practical considerations of Tolkien's world.

Notable Quote:
"They walked at a slightly increased pace and the men probably walked a little slower to let them keep up." — Alan Sisto [87:33]
"Like a Band of Brothers miniseries, but it's hobbits traipsing through areas." — Matt [78:22]

13. Lewis: Valar as the Zeroth Born

Timestamp: [101:54] - [102:30]

Question:
Lewis contemplates viewing the Valar as the "zeroth born," a tier above Elves and Men, akin to gods shaping the world but still susceptible to making mistakes.

Discussion:
Alan agrees with the analogy, drawing parallels between the Valar's role and that of divine beings. They discuss the limitations of the Valar, their collaborative strengths, and their imperfections, contrasting them with the Elves and Men. The conversation reflects on the nuanced hierarchy within Tolkien's cosmology and the Valar's influence on Middle-earth.

Notable Quote:
"The Valar are to the elves what the elves are to men in many ways." — Alan Sisto [95:12]
"They are creatures of Ilúvatar's thought, so they fit into a hierarchy." — Alan Sisto [95:12]

Conclusion

Episode 351 of The Prancing Pony Podcast offers an immersive exploration of listener questions, delving into the intricacies of Tolkien's legendarium. From the legitimacy of Aragorn's kingship to the enigmatic nature of the Nazgûl, and from succession laws in exiled realms to the symbolic elements of the Elven Rings, the hosts provide thoughtful analyses enriched with scholarly insights and engaging banter. This episode serves as a testament to the enduring fascination and depth of Tolkien's world, inviting both seasoned fans and newcomers to ponder the enduring mysteries of Middle-earth.

Notable Resources Mentioned:

• The Nature of Middle-earth by J.R.R. Tolkien
• Unfinished Tales by J.R.R. Tolkien
• Appendix A of The Lord of the Rings

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