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Piers Morgan
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Mike Baker
It's Wednesday the 13th of August. Welcome to the PDB Afternoon Bulletin. I'm Mike Baker, your eyes and ears on the world stage. Now, before we get started, I did want to make one announcement. An extraordinary man passed away a few days ago on this past Friday, Judge William Webster died at age 101. Now, Judge Webster served this nation in a variety of ways, including in the Navy during World War II and as the director of the FBI and the director of the CIA. The only person to hold both those positions. Now, I was very fortunate to know him over the years as a mentor and a friend. He was exceedingly kind, humble, and always generous with his time, with his insight and his witness. He's playing tennis up there in heaven now, moving around the court like he used to when he was a young man. Godspeed, Judge. All right, let's get briefed. Today we're taking a step back from the daily headlines to zero in on an issue that's been dominating international headlines and debates in recent weeks. And that, of course, would be the question of Palestinian statehood, the so called two state solution. As we previously reported, Australia has joined France, the United Kingdom and Canada in moving toward recognition of a Palestinian state. But the question to ask is, could this push actually make peace harder to achieve? Now, the question has sparked sharply divided reactions. Supporters see recognition as a step toward resolving one of the world's most entrenched conflicts. Critics, however, argue it's premature at best and at worst a move that rewards the terrorism of Hamas. But supporters, well, they see it very differently, hailing it as a long overdue step toward resolving one of the world's most long standing conflicts. On paper, well, it sounds like a path toward peace. Recognize Palestine, give its statehood and finally put the decades long conflict with Israel to rest. That all sounds very neat and tidy. That's the theory. And the nations that over the years, including France, Britain, Canada and Australia this year, that have declared their support for a Palestinian state, well, they've all engaged in this theoretical exercise knowing that they don't actually have to do anything. You declare that you support a Palestinian state and you get to feel fairly superior and good about yourself. But the problem is history, politics and, and the real world all suggest that it likely won't work that way. Now, to understand why, we need to rewind a bit and take a quick look at history. Now, of course, this is not all encompassing. It's a, it's a quick overview. I'd encourage you to dig into all sides of this history when you can. It's a lesson in complexity and frustration and real politics. Back in 1947, the UN proposed a partition plan for the British Mandate of Palestine. The the idea was straightforward. Create two states, one Jewish, one Arab, living side by side. The Jewish leadership eventually, with much reluctance, accepted the plan, even though it gave them less than they wanted and included some awkward territorial splits, such as disconnected enclaves and narrow corridors linking key areas. But the Arab leadership rejected it outright. They opposed the idea of any Jewish state on what they considered Arab land. And the reality was, frankly, both sides were engaged in acts of violence against the other during this period of time. So when Israel declared independence in 1948, five Arab armies invaded. Israel survived, expanded its territory in the process, and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians became refugees, most settling in the Gaza Strip, then under Egyptian control, and end the west bank, which at the time was occupied by Jordan. From the very beginning then, the barrier to a two state solution wasn't simply borders, it was the refusal by many to accept a Jewish state at all. Now that refusal still lingers in parts of Palestinian politics today, and in many cases continues to drive it. A concrete example, of course, would be Hamas's stated goal of the destruction of Israel, which of course is the stated goal of Hamas's key supporter and benefactor, the Iranian regime. Now fast forward to the modern era. I told you we'd cover this quickly. And we've actually had a real world experiment in Palestinian self rule. That would be the Gaza Strip. In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew all its troops and settlers from Gaza, the Palestinian Authority. The PA took control and the territory was effectively self governing. But just two years later, Hamas, an Islamist militant group dedicated to Israel's destruction, seized control from the Palestinian Authority in a violent coup. Since then, Gaza has been ruled entirely by Hamas. So this isn't a case of Israel never gave Palestinians a chance, even though that's a tidy way to look at it. They did have, for a period of time, full autonomy. They had international aid. They had the opportunity to build institutions, attract investment and focus on improving the lives of their people. Instead, Hamas under the TUTELAGE of the Iranian regime poured resources into rocket manufacturing, terror tunnels and military training. Over the years, they've fired tens of thousands of rockets at Israeli towns and cities. Their founding charter explicitly calls for the eradication of Israel, declaring, quote, israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it just as it obliterated others before it, end quote. That's fairly clear statement. If Gaza was meant to be a preview of what an independent Palestinian state could look like, well, it's not exactly what the advertisement that peace advocates were hoping for. And therein lies the problem with Palestinian statehood. Recognizing a Palestinian state sounds well, straightforward, right? You make that declaration, I support this. And sure it's going to happen until you ask the all important question, who exactly would run it? Right now, Palestinian politics is split between two rival governing organizations, the Palestinian Authority in the west bank, dominated by the Fatah party, and a significantly weakened yet still operational Hamas in Gaza. These two factions are bitter enemies and have failed for nearly two decades to reconcile. So up until Hamas started this latest conflict with their 7th of October 2023 attacks, the theory was that a recognized Palestinian state would either be run by Hamas, which again is committed to Israel's destruction, or by the Palestinian Authority, which is deeply unpopular among Palestinians and plagued by corruption, weak institutions and a history of incitement. So neither of those options scream stable partner for peace. And in the wake of the 7 October attacks, even the Arab League is conceding that Hamas cannot be part of the future governance of Gaza. So again, the question is, who would lead Gaza? Who would oversee its rebuilding, its security, its future? The general building consensus, currently, at least among Western nations that don't actually reside there or have skin in the game, is that some unspecified coalition of Arab states would create a functioning overseer until such time that some unnamed Palestinian government would be ready to assume control. Now, if you think that sounds vague and ephemeral, well, you're correct. All right, coming up next, we'll dig deeper into why immediate recognition might actually set peace back, not move it forward. I'll be right back. Hey, Mike Baker here. Now, here's a bit of trivia that you can roll out to impress folks at cocktail parties or barbecues. August 13th is national filet Steak Day, because apparently someone out there decided that steaks deserve a holiday. And honestly. Well, frankly, we agree. And the excellent folks at Tritails Beef are celebrating by giving you a free 8 ounce choice fillet on orders over $349. No gimmicks, just real beef from real ranchers. Tritails is a great fifth generation family run Texas ranch. They raise cattle the old fashioned way. Pasture raised grain, finished, dry aged, no middlemen. Just great tasting beef delivered straight from the Tri Tails ranch to your home. 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Piers Morgan
I'm Piers Morgan, the host of the Piers Morgan Uncensored podcast. We do big interviews and we do big debates about whatever's getting people talking. We make news, we make noise, and we make a little bit of trouble too. Come and see what all the fuss is about. You can listen to Piers Morgan Uncensored on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts.
Mike Baker
Welcome back to the PDB Afternoon Bulletin. Before the break, we raised the obvious question of who might actually run a recognized Palestinian state. Now let's turn to the bigger question. Would recognition itself bring Peace? Well, advocates argue it's the essential first step toward ending the conflict. But recognition alone changes nothing about the on the ground realities that fuel violence. Borders won't end the conflict if one side refuses to accept the other's right to exist. And they won't create security if the recognized state becomes a launchpad for attacks. Israelis point to the Gaza precedent for a reason. When they withdrew from territory without ironclad guarantees for peace, it became a staging ground for war. They fear that granting full statehood to the west bank, overlooking Israeli population centers, would create an even deadlier security threat. And while Palestinian statehood is often discussed as a moral imperative, it's worth remembering that Israel has legitimate moral and security concerns too. No country on earth is expected to agree to a peace arrangement that leaves its citizens more vulnerable to attack. And there's also the question of incentives. When countries recognize Palestine without any conditions, they effectively reward the Palestinian leadership without requiring them to make concessions, like recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, ending incitement or disarming militant groups. In theory, recognition should be the final step of a peace process, part of a negotiated settlement where both sides agree to live in peace. Doing it unilaterally, though, well, that flips the script. Giving away the political prize without securing the promised peace in return. Now, none of this is to say that Palestinians don't have legitimate grievances. Of course they do. Or that their aspirations for self determination aren't real. Of course they are. The economic situation in the west bank and Gaza is, well, frankly, awful. Generations have grown up amid occupation, war and political failure. But the uncomfortable truth is that Palestinian suffering has been prolonged not only by Israeli policies, but by the decisions of their own citizens and leaders. Leaders who have too often chosen confrontation and violence over compromise. If the goal is genuine peace, that means fostering leaders and institutions that prioritize coexistence, not conflict. That's not something that can be imposed by foreign recognition. It has to be built from within. So if recognition isn't the answer, well, it's a good question to ask. What is? Well, it won't surprise you to hear that there's no easy fix. That's not a statement of rocket science. However, perhaps there are steps that could move both sides closer to peace. First, there has to be real political reform within Palestinian leadership, building accountable corruption free institutions that are genuinely committed to coexistence. Without that, any state will be built on shaky ground. Second, Israel's security has to be guaranteed. That means any peace plan must include measures like demilitarized Palestinian territories and robust international monitoring to ensure those terms are upheld. And third, the Palestinian economy needs a foundation for growth. Investment in development projects that improve daily life and create interdependencies between Israelis and Palestinians are essential to breaking the cycle of hostility. Finally, peace has to be built from the ground up, not just brokered in conference rooms, Grassroots engagements, people to people programs, joint ventures, cultural exchanges can help build the trust that political deals alone can't create. Now obviously these aren't quick solutions. They're not even short to medium term solutions. They're long term solutions and they're very complex. Under the current circumstances, well, they'd be nearly impossible to implement. But they do address the root problems, something that unilateral recognition doesn't necessarily do. Australia's decision to recognize a Palestinian state will be applauded in some self righteous diplomatic circles, already has been. But for those who've watched decades of failed peace efforts, the move feels less like a solution and more like a symbolic gesture. A Palestinian state could one day be part of the answer to peace. But without the political will, the security arrangements and leadership to make it work, recognition risks becoming just another in a long line of well intentioned moves that don't change the realities on the ground. For now, the hard truth is peace won't come from proclamations in Canberra or Paris, Ottawa or London. And that, my friends, is the PDB Afternoon bulletin for Wednesday 13 August. If you have any questions or comments, please reach out to me at pdb@the firsttv.com and to listen to the show ad free, well become a premium member of the President's Daily Brief. It's very easy. All you have to do is visit PDB premium.com I'm Mike Baker and I'll be back tomorrow. Until then, stay informed, stay safe, stay cool.
Podcast Summary: The President's Daily Brief Afternoon Bulletin | August 13th, 2025
Title: Why a Palestinian State is Not the Solution to Peace
Host: Mike Baker, Former CIA Operations Officer
Release Date: August 13, 2025
In the August 13th, 2025 episode of The President's Daily Brief Afternoon Bulletin, host Mike Baker delves into the contentious issue of Palestinian statehood. The episode opens with Baker paying tribute to the recently deceased Judge William Webster, a distinguished figure who served as both the Director of the FBI and the CIA, highlighting his legacy and personal connection to Baker.
Recognition as a Peace Step
Baker examines the recent move by Australia, alongside France, the United Kingdom, and Canada, to recognize Palestine as a state. He outlines the arguments of both supporters and critics:
Supporters' Perspective: Advocates view official recognition as a pivotal step toward resolving one of the world’s most enduring conflicts. They argue that establishing a Palestinian state would legitimize Palestinian aspirations for self-determination and could lead to lasting peace with Israel.
"On paper, well, it sounds like a path toward peace. Recognize Palestine, give its statehood and finally put the decades long conflict with Israel to rest. That all sounds very neat and tidy." ([02:15])
Critics' Perspective: Opponents contend that unilateral recognition might exacerbate tensions rather than alleviate them. They argue that without addressing core issues such as mutual recognition, security guarantees, and the dismantling of militant groups like Hamas, formal recognition could inadvertently empower factions opposed to peace.
"Recognition alone changes nothing about the on the ground realities that fuel violence. Borders won't end the conflict if one side refuses to accept the other's right to exist." ([08:30])
Baker provides a concise historical overview to frame the current debate:
1947 UN Partition Plan: Proposed the creation of separate Jewish and Arab states in the British Mandate of Palestine. While Jewish leaders tentatively accepted the plan, Arab leaders rejected it outright, leading to immediate conflict upon Israel’s declaration of independence in 1948.
"The refusal by many to accept a Jewish state at all was the initial barrier to a two-state solution." ([03:45])
Post-1948 Conflicts: Following Israel's establishment, five Arab armies invaded, resulting in Israel not only surviving but also expanding its territory. This conflict displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, creating lasting refugee populations in regions like Gaza and the West Bank.
Modern Era – Gaza's Self-Governance and Hamas' Rise: In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, allowing the Palestinian Authority (PA) to govern. However, two years later, Hamas seized control through a violent coup, transforming Gaza into a stronghold for militant activities against Israel.
"If Gaza was meant to be a preview of what an independent Palestinian state could look like, well, it's not exactly what the advertisement that peace advocates were hoping for." ([05:50])
Leadership Fragmentation
Baker highlights the division within Palestinian governance:
Palestinian Authority (PA): Dominated by the Fatah party, the PA is often criticized for corruption and inefficiency.
Hamas in Gaza: An Islamist militant group committed to Israel’s destruction, backed by Iran. Their control of Gaza poses significant security concerns for any future peace agreements.
"Palestinian politics is split between two rival governing organizations, the Palestinian Authority in the west bank, dominated by the Fatah party, and a significantly weakened yet still operational Hamas in Gaza." ([06:30])
Security Concerns
Drawing parallels to past Israeli withdrawals, Baker warns that without robust security measures, recognizing Palestinian statehood could lead to increased hostility and violence.
"When they withdrew from territory without ironclad guarantees for peace, it became a staging ground for war." ([07:10])
Incentives and Preconditions
Baker argues that international recognition should come with conditions that promote peace and stability, such as the disarmament of militant groups and the recognition of Israel’s right to exist.
"When countries recognize Palestine without any conditions, they effectively reward the Palestinian leadership without requiring them to make concessions." ([09:20])
Baker proposes a multifaceted approach to pave the way for genuine peace, emphasizing the necessity of internal reforms and collaborative efforts:
Political Reform: Establish accountable, corruption-free Palestinian institutions committed to coexistence rather than conflict.
"For genuine peace, fostering leaders and institutions that prioritize coexistence, not conflict, is essential." ([11:00])
Security Guarantees: Implement measures such as demilitarized Palestinian territories and international monitoring to ensure compliance and safety for all parties involved.
Economic Development: Invest in projects that stimulate the Palestinian economy, creating interdependencies that can reduce hostility and foster cooperation.
Grassroots Engagement: Encourage people-to-people programs, cultural exchanges, and joint ventures to build trust beyond political negotiations.
"Grassroots engagements, people to people programs, joint ventures, cultural exchanges can help build the trust that political deals alone can't create." ([10:50])
Mike Baker concludes that while the recognition of a Palestinian state by countries like Australia, France, the UK, and Canada is a commendable diplomatic gesture, it alone is insufficient to resolve the deep-seated conflict. Sustainable peace requires comprehensive political reforms, robust security arrangements, economic investments, and grassroots initiatives to address the root causes of the conflict. Without these, recognition risks becoming merely symbolic, failing to alter the fundamental realities that perpetuate violence and instability.
"For now, the hard truth is peace won't come from proclamations in Canberra or Paris, Ottawa or London." ([10:40])
Baker emphasizes the complexity of the situation, urging a shift from symbolic gestures to substantive actions that address both Israeli and Palestinian legitimate concerns.
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