‘Beef’ Season 2, Episodes 4-6: Against the Grain

Summary

The Prestige TV Podcast | BEEF Season 2, Episodes 4-6: "Against the Grain"

Date: April 21, 2026
Hosts: Joanna Robinson & Rob Mahoney

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney dig into episodes 4-6 of Beef Season 2, dissecting the unconventional structure, shifting alliances, and the show's ramped-up emotional and narrative stakes. They reflect on the show's pitch-black humor and genre-defying tone, focusing on themes like transactional relationships, gender vs. generational divides, and the blurred boundaries of morality amid escalating chaos.

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General Discussion & Key Insights

Unconventional Structure & Escalation

• Episodes 4 and 5 focus narrowly: Ep. 4 centers on Ashley and Austin's harrowing hospital stay, while Ep. 5 follows Lindsay and Josh through the emotional aftermath of losing Burberry, their dog.
• The show "reshuffles the deck": Previously divided along generational lines, it now pivots to a gender divide—Ashley and Lindsay grow close, while Josh and Austin form a less convincing alliance.
• Joanna: "This is sort of that end-of-season escalation weirdification... It's men versus women versus gender, generation versus generation. I think that's a really...fun, unexpected way for the plot to turn." [08:12]

The Death of Burberry—Emotional Impact

• Rob (dog owner): "Whoosh is just straight up dead... I'm fucked up. Burberry." [04:04]
• Detailed discussion on how Beef doesn’t flinch from consequences—uncommonly, the story lets the beloved dog die, amplifying stakes and discomfort.
• Joanna: "I'm a cat person, but we care about pets in general... Seeing that onscreen is very jarring." [05:08]

Alliances, Betrayals, & Off-Kilter Bonding

• Ashley & Lindsay's bond: They initially plan to manipulate each other, but emerge as authentic friends through shared “crimes”—especially the con against Ava on the golf course.
• Josh & Austin’s shallow alignment: Rob: "It's a business arrangement... Like, I'm trying to get in with my boss." [07:17]
• Writers cleverly use these pairings to explore gendered conversations—fertility dilemmas vs. marital fidelity—without losing sharpness or humor.
• Joanna: "It's all still very sharply funny and really natural." [08:12]

Suspension of Disbelief & Theatrical Absurdity

• The hosts highlight how Beef doesn’t require traditional realism, relishing heightened reactions and consequences.
• Rob: "This isn't a show where I need to be on board with every single beat." [09:03]
• The Park Chan-wook “vengeance escalation” comparison: watching "normal" characters spiral into extreme behavior is a genre both hosts adore.
• Joanna: "What if a person did entertain every intrusive thought that came into their head... That's kind of where we are in this season." [12:05]

Transactional LA & Social Commentary

• The podcast delves into Beef’s critique of LA’s status-chasing, transactional relationships, and the soul-deadening "what can you do for me?" mindset.
• "There is this...approach...of this what can you do for me sort of approach that people have in this town." (Joanna) [20:03]
• Rob: “We need a German word for that very specific, soul-falling feeling, when someone’s already looking for who’s more valuable.” [20:25]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rob, on the pet tragedy: "I would like to think I'd be capable of the Lindsay-esque grab, the coyote whip body slam, revenge kill if such a thing were required. But I also don't want to kill this coyote." [04:43]
• Joanna, on the show’s ethos: "Beef is never asking you to believe that this is how normal humans would ever react." [09:03]
• On manipulation:
  • Rob: “Josh, trying to leverage Ashley's medical care in the blackmail scheme... this is fucking diabolical.” [27:36]
  • Joanna: “Ashley pretending to have pain from her surgery that she doesn’t have, just to end the conversation. Chamomile in the big mug—girl!” [28:18]
• On white nonsense:
  • Rob: “Land acknowledgement to a coyote is wild before killing it.” [33:34]
  • Joanna: “Lindsay running down the street yelling, ‘Barry, mummy loves you!’ whilst quaking the monkey—that felt fairly Caucasian to me.” [33:38]
• On generational wounds:
  • Joanna: “Lindsay saying ‘You find yourself a 40-year-old without the faintest idea of who you are.’” [43:51]
• On celebrity cameos:
  • Rob: “They got Suni Lee! An incredible cameo I was not expecting.” [39:58]
  • Joanna: “Not literally Hot Chip showing up after you call out Hot Chip.” [40:35]
• On Eat the Rich satire:
  • Rob: “The turnaround on [a private Park City chalet party] is pristine. Rich people shit.” [51:28]

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Segment Timestamps

[03:01] – The shifting episode structure: focused pairings, odd tonal shifts

[04:04] – The emotional trauma of Burberry’s death; dog/coyote anxieties

[06:32] – Reshuffling alliances: gender divides & authentic friendships

[09:03] – Embracing Beef’s surreal, reality-straining plot

[12:00] – Genre love: escalation akin to Park Chan-wook’s vengeance thrillers

[19:36] – Transactional relationships & LA’s social architecture

[21:16] – MVPs of the episodes: Carey Mulligan’s emotional and physical range

[26:29] – Worst Decisions

• Josh: Foolishly texts “I heard you met David. You’re welcome.” during a medical crisis
• Lindsay: Seeking divorce advice at a child’s birthday
• Austin: Prolonging his fake physical therapy business, culminating in a disastrous session with Olympian Suni Lee
• Ashley: Breaking in to Ava’s house, indirectly causing Burberry’s death

[33:04] – Whitest White Nonsense

• E.g. Lady neighbors’ racial microaggressions, land acknowledgments to coyotes

[34:39] – A24-iest Moment

• Burberry’s onscreen death, surreal hospital dream sequences, and ant infestations

[37:29] – Realistic Shots Fired

• Petty breakup arguments, weaponized receipts, classic relationship squabbles

[39:01] – Himbo/Bimbo Moments

• Austin’s himbo confusion with Gatorade flavors, trauma jogs, “what ails you?” to Suni Lee

[39:58] – Name Drops & Cameos

• Suni Lee, Father John Misty, Hot Chip, Shakira, references to Top Gun Maverick/Bullet Train

[41:09] – Critique of Gen Z & Elder Millennials

• Avoidance via ‘feigning pain,’ ChatGPT reliance, confusion about insurance deductibles

[42:24] – Needle Drop & Pop Culture

• Lindsay’s emotional search for Burberry set to Hot Chip; Mezcal/Mescal Night, marathon movie parties

[49:03] – Eat the Rich

• Private jets to Park City, $7,000 bottles of whiskey, cheapness of the wealthy amid extravagance

[51:38] – Filipino Cultural Bits

• Country club “where are the Filipino nurses? Princess Perla, where are you?”

[54:39] – Chairwoman Park’s Ruthlessness

• Whoosh’s (her ex-husband’s son) death orchestrated with chilling efficiency

[57:57] – Anticipating Korea, concluding thoughts

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Thematic Categories & Running Jokes

• Diabolical Manipulation: Josh leveraging medical care; Ashley’s hospital pain charade
• Whitest White Nonsense: Land acknowledgement to a coyote before killing it; over-earnest apologies to pets and children
• A24-iest Moment: Deaths, surreal hospital scenes, ant infestations
• Most Cutting Generational Satire:
  • Gen Z: Avoidant social behaviors, performative openness, heavy ChatGPT reliance
  • Millennials: Life detour via work, emotional collapse, transactional friendships
• Eat the Rich: Wealth-flashing, private chalet parties with Hot Chip, $7,000 whiskey, cheapness among abundance
• Cultural Beef: Filipino nurse references, the universal hell of bad insurance, anxiety about medical bills
• Pop Culture/Needle Drops: Top Gun Maverick/Bullet Train marital resentment, mezcal movie nights, Hot Chip cameo

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Memorable Category Winners

• MVP: Carey Mulligan for her emotional (and violent) performance as Lindsay
• Himbo Moment: Austin’s confused, recited list of Gatorade flavors; inept PT for Suni Lee
• Biggest Mistake: Ashley’s break-in (costing Burberry’s life); Josh’s incriminating text
• A24-iest Moment: The graphic, matter-of-fact death of Burberry
• White Nonsense: Lindsay’s "land acknowledgement" to a coyote
• Eat the Rich: The speed and luxury of organizing a Park City chalet party with a full guest list and Hot Chip as DJ on 2-hours notice
• Cultural Reference: "Where are the Filipino nurses? Princess Perla, where are you?" in the hospital
• Sharpest Argument: Lindsay’s “literal receipts” and "you always need someone to blame..."

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Final Thoughts

• Both hosts admire Beef for its fearless escalation, emotional stakes, and comic-meets-harrowing tone.
• Excitement for the looming Korean trip, potential plot explosions, and Chairwoman Park’s unfolding ruthlessness.
• Returning bits: Joanna and Rob’s movie party marathon ideas, DiCaprio costume debates, Fruitopia nostalgia.

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End of Summary.

Transcript

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[Joanna Robinson]

Hello. Welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast feed. I'm Joanna Robinson.

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm Rob Mahoney.

[Joanna Robinson]

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[Rob Mahoney]

Rob, hit us.

[Joanna Robinson]

We've been through a lot of trials and triumphs, you and I. We're still each other's biggest fans.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

Please respect our privacy at this time. And most of all, I can't wait to see Rob sink birdie after birdie, the back night of his life.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know what? I'm gonna need a new photo. I'm gonna do a complete rewrite on the caption.

[Joanna Robinson]

I don't accept It's Beef part two of season two. We're here to do episodes four, five and six, and then we will drop seven and eight later on this week. And that is how you cover binge television on the Prestige TV podcast feed.

[Rob Mahoney]

We simply love it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Episodes one through three. That episode's already up, so you can check that out. Also, of course, like we had, we did the pit finale. We've done a couple Euphoria episodes. Anything else you want to say about the feed in general? Rob Mahoney?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes. If you would like to email us about Beef or any of these other shows, you can email [e-mail] or you can come check us out on Instagram and TikTok and whatnot@ prestigedvpod.

[Joanna Robinson]

There's a very special family photo up on the Instagram right now.

[Rob Mahoney]

It warms my heart, really. It's going straight on the fridge.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, so we're going to do the same thing we did Last time we're doing categories again and stuff like that. But we do want to have a bigger general discussion before we get into that for sure. So we've got three episodes here. Two of them are sort of shorter, almost mirror episodes. We get episode four is Ashley and Austin in the hospital, and then episode five is Lindsay and Josh and the loss of Burberry, which we're going to talk about in a second. You and I. What did you make of that? Of that sort of setup? It was sort of an unusual, you know, two. One couple in one episode, one couple in another episode with a little crossover.

[Rob Mahoney]

I like the focus of it. Yeah, I thought these were pretty good episodes. Overall, I'm enjoying where we are with the season as a whole. I will say there are some points in the plot machinations now where it's like I just don't fully believe that these people would be trying to be friends even in the ways that they are kind of trying to be friends. But I just like these actors being together, delivering these conversations so much. I'm just along for the ride.

[Joanna Robinson]

Um, yeah, so we'll talk about sort of the reshuffling of the pairs that we get over the course of this episode. But. But this is sort of that end of season escalation weirdification that I was sort of alluding to in our first part. Um, obviously you and I have not seen 7 and 8 yet. I don't know where we go from here, but already we have like Ashley's hospital experience, which involves not only the dream sequence of waking up from surgery, but before she goes into surgery, sort of like weird stuff happening with the patients around her. You get Josh's drug trip in episode six, Whoosh dies.

[Rob Mahoney]

Whoosh is just straight up dead.

[Joanna Robinson]

Whoosh is fully dead. And does the dog die.com? yes. Rob, as a dog guy, how are you doing?

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm fucked up Barbary.

[Joanna Robinson]

The first.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, let me say this first, as someone who recently moved to Los Angeles and has a dog and has had many like, near miss coyote dog encounters, really. I mean, I'm just terrified at this point. They're. I mean, they're all around. They're prowling especially. Look, I'm not proud of my current sleep schedule, but the last, we're going to take a trip out of the night with the dog. Sometimes happening well after midnight. The streets are dead and quiet. Everything is chill.

[Joanna Robinson]

Coyotes are Roman.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, they're prowling.

[Joanna Robinson]

Oh.

[Rob Mahoney]

So I'm. I'm a little concerned about my own Burberry Situation. I. I would like to think that I would be capable of the Lindsay esque grab the coyote whip body slam, revenge kill if such a thing were required. But I also don't want to kill this coyote. I don't want to attack my dog in the first place.

[Joanna Robinson]

Rob, I know how you feel about your dog. I. I believe you would.

[Rob Mahoney]

I might pull a Lindsay. I think I'd be capable of, like, incredible strength and resolve in that particular moment.

[Joanna Robinson]

Where are you in general? So you're a dog person. I'm a cat person, but we care about pets in general. But, like, where are you in stories where a dog is in peril or a dog, like, are you out? It doesn't seem like you're out.

[Rob Mahoney]

No.

[Joanna Robinson]

Like, how do you feel about it?

[Rob Mahoney]

It definitely ratchets up. And I will say, I think some of it is just the shock of if you are an animal person. Seeing that on screen is very jarring. But also it's so unusual for that exact reason that you barely ever see it followed through to this extent. So I was just, like, jaw dropped that they went to the lengths that they did with Burberry and the coyote. I thought for sure he was gonna make it through surgery and be in an adorable. But no, like, this is not that kind of show. This is not that kind of dog. Everything is falling apart, including our guy Burberry.

[Joanna Robinson]

I've been really worried for you because you were. You and Deb were sharing sort of Burberry social media videos and stuff like that, and I was like, oh, no. I already knew what happened to Burberry.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, I'm glad they let him have his moment on the red carpet.

[Joanna Robinson]

What's your philosophy on Burberry the second? Like naming the second dog the same name as the first dog?

[Rob Mahoney]

I wouldn't recommend it. I have taken to calling him Michael Kors instead. I think there's lots of options on the table, but he can't be Burberry.

[Joanna Robinson]

Louis Vuitton. A little LG moment. Sure, why not? Michael Kors. Excellent stuff. Okay, so in terms of reshuffling the alliances. Right. We have. It was Josh and Lindsay versus Ashley and Austin.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

And now it's a little bit Ashley and Lindsay versus Josh and Austin.

[Rob Mahoney]

A little bit stronger on the former.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yes.

[Rob Mahoney]

L. Lindsay and Ashley seem to be developing an actual bond. Granted, one that came from a. She's all that type, like, I was planning to manipulate you. But actually, I've come to really appreciate our. Our friendship.

[Joanna Robinson]

They kind of both had that conversation.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

I Will say, Ashley's very much like Josh. I hate that guy. Right. And she has very personal reasons to. Austin's a little bit more like, why do you think Lindsay wants to be friends with you?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

Is the she on the up and up? What is she up to? So. So it's a little less like, fuck her, but it's a. You know, that's not Austin's style anyway.

[Rob Mahoney]

But I also think Austin doesn't seem as receptive to Josh's advances.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's a little like a business arrangement.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's a business arrangement. It's like I'm trying to get in with my boss. Yeah. I'm, like, trying to help him chat GPT his way through the construction of this cold plunge. But then when he leaves, it's very much like, what the fuck was that? And some of that is the drug trip. I think some of it is just. They're not quite on the same wavelength in the way that Lindsay and Ashley are at this moment.

[Joanna Robinson]

Um, I think it's interesting to watch what episode one through three were like a generational divide. Now we're on a gender divide. Right. And. And what's so interesting is, like, this show is. I. I really like this season a lot, and I think the writing is really, really sharp. And it is so sharp that, you know, it might not be immediately obvious to me, but on second, like, the fact that Lindsay and Ashley are talking about fertility and Josh and Austin are talking about, hey, what happens if you want to fuck someone who's not your wife? Could not be more on, like, very stereotypical gender lines if you tried, but not in a way that feels sort of like, rote empathetic. Like, it. It. It all seems very. I mean, it's all still very sharply funny and really natural, but I think it's interesting for a show like this, especially when season one, you know, was about sort of strangers colliding and, you know, these. These couples are strangers, but inside of the couples, there are these dynamics. And so to reshuffle the deck and reshuffle the dynamic that it is sort of men versus women versus gender, generation versus generation. I think that's a really. You know, you talked about the Rube Goldberg you. Is a way you describe sort of the. The various ways in which this plot is turning. And I think this is a kind of fun, unexpected way for the plot to turn.

[Rob Mahoney]

Turn, definitely some of it, again, like, strains credulity for me just a bit. This isn't a show where, like, I need to be on board with Every single beat.

[Joanna Robinson]

I don't think. I don't think Beef is ever asking you to believe that this is how normal humans would ever react.

[Rob Mahoney]

Certainly not. I think it's less a normal human thing and more like take Ashley, for example. That's a character we have seen really hyper fixate on some, like, really small social interactions. Right. Like she. She just like analyzes and she's in her head and she's like a little. A little neurotic in the way she gets bogged down in some of that stuff. When Lindsay tells her after she just through went this. Went through this like, harrowing situation at the hospital, I guess it's a good thing you got that health insurance then is like a borderline, like, inhuman thing to say to someone in that circumstance. And I'm a little surprised, like, Ashley didn't take that more personally.

[Joanna Robinson]

To be fair, Lindsay doesn't know how bad the deductible is on her health insurance.

[Rob Mahoney]

No, but it's like the idea of I'm going into a hospital with pain, I'm not taken seriously, I collapse and I wake up with an ovary removed. And it's like, well, I'm glad you got to pay for it.

[Joanna Robinson]

But there are also ways in which I think my interpretation in that moment that's entirely fair. I think my interpretation in that moment is Ashley is feeling such tremendous guilt over her involvement in the Burberry of it all that she's just sort of willing to let Lindsay say a bunch of shit. And she's just like, yeah, I deserve this.

[Rob Mahoney]

Whatever. This is the self punishment.

[Joanna Robinson]

I deserve this.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Joanna Robinson]

I wanted to ask you about. And they do like, Josh has this conversation with Austin where he was like, this was my plan while you were on the drugs. I was gonna get the video, but I really like you, man. Sort of thing. And then Lindsay has a very similar over champagne. Not, you know, toad hallucinogens. Has a very similar conversation with Ashley. You. You were sort of saying you kind of buy the Lindsay Ashley bond especially, I think, because they're doing crime together, which is always a nice bonding experience. You buy that more than you buy a potential Josh and Austin alliance. Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Which is, I think, a little odd for where I would have expected to be. Just because Austin feels like the kind of guy you could sort of pull one over on he's way.

[Joanna Robinson]

You know, we have this like, himbo category that we did last night, like kind of light on the himbo inside of these episodes. So he's wise, he's Wisen up. I love it. Something I was thinking about. You saw the, the Park Chan Wook film, no other choice that came out last year. I know, I know.

[Rob Mahoney]

Loved it.

[Joanna Robinson]

I know. I loved that movie and I was just thinking about it a lot. Especially like in Ashley's like B and E moment. Not just the sort of like clam jam, Blood in the OJ sort of situation, but sort of like creeping around someone's house and doing things and it escalating beyond where you expected. Like Parchin Wook obviously like has the whole Vengeance trilogy. Like Vengeance is something that he's been interested in. But know the choice not to like get too far into Weeds about that. But that is like that is someone who starts the movie kind of normal and winds up escalating. Escalating the lengths he will go to to get a job again. You're not supposed to believe that anyone would actually behave this way.

[Rob Mahoney]

But it's like what if a person did entertain every intrusive thought that came into their head and that's kind of

[Joanna Robinson]

where we are in this, in this season and I, and I really like it and I don't know if there's other movies that come to mind like that but I think what I've decided is that genre is really for me, yes. Of just sort of like watch someone normal complet and it works even better over. Over like the course of a television series. Watch. You know, especially if you go back to the beginning and you watch they're setting you up for this. But you watch Austin and Ashley who are just sort of like we're so sweet and nice and in love and rich people are weird and we would never do that or we would never do that or all this sort of stuff like that. And then just a few episodes later Ashley's doing all the shit that she's doing and Austin's knee deep and trouble and all this sort of stuff like that.

[Rob Mahoney]

I appreciated Austin's moment of like post blackmail clarity though. Of like if you looked at what we've done, we're not great.

[Joanna Robinson]

Don't look great.

[Rob Mahoney]

Does not look great.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

But I, I think the contrast, whether you're talking about parks work or these kinds of shows, it's the absurdity of these like heightened reactions to normal personal inter social things and then like larger thematic impositions on what that means or kind of where you're taking that. Like that's the delicate balance. Right. It's like can you say something very grounded in human with this like elevated crazy Behavior.

[Joanna Robinson]

Exactly. And I think, you know, we got an interesting email from a listener who did not enjoy the first episode and is like out on Beef season two. And that's fine. And his point was sort of like A, people don't really behave like this and B, I don't really like these people and I'm just sort of like, I don't expect to like these people or watch them behave like normal humans are supposed to behave.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't know why season one would give you that expectation.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's fair. Fair enough. Quick question for you, Rob. Does the color of the Gatorade impact the quench? What do you think?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think it does impact the quench.

[Joanna Robinson]

Does it?

[Rob Mahoney]

I certainly do have preferences. I think we all do, but minor polar opposite from Ashley's.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, great to know. I don't really drink Gatorade at all, but were I to. Yes, it would be red or blue for me every day of the week.

[Rob Mahoney]

So you're.

[Joanna Robinson]

You're pretty aligned with Ashley. Yeah, she.

[Rob Mahoney]

She's a. She's a red. Maybe this is like a Men are for Mars winner from Venus situation. Never.

[Joanna Robinson]

Never.

[Rob Mahoney]

I. Yellow first and foremost. Every single time.

[Joanna Robinson]

But it looks like, like fluorescent piss. Like why would you want to drink that?

[Rob Mahoney]

Because it tastes delicious.

[Joanna Robinson]

But you really think it quenches better than red or blue does?

[Rob Mahoney]

Here's the thing. Red does not quench effectively for me. This is almost like a lemonade conundrum where it's like I am conditioned to all sorts of like soda relev. Soda related sugar levels. I can drink diet Coke all day. Lemonade. For some reason it feels like so sweet that I just feel more thirsty after drinking it. And I have the same. I have the same reaction to red Gatorade specifically.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. Is it quite okay? Why am I. I guess I'm just weighing in on like the colors I naturally. The not found in nature colors that I naturally gravitate towards. And like I'm always in for a red. Like, but that's usually. That's a little bit more candy based than it is something.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean it's just a little fruit punchy in this case. But blue is the color. We can all come together around the least natural color.

[Joanna Robinson]

Is that like a blue razz? Is that what it is?

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, there are usually like polar ice or whatever. So honestly, who the fuck knows what the actual flavor is? But it tastes refreshing.

[Joanna Robinson]

And then there's a. Was it a green? Is that the fourth option?

[Rob Mahoney]

There's a purple. Oh, purple also similar like glacier freeze or you know, again, they're, they just, they're making stuff up.

[Joanna Robinson]

Sick arctic bird, bro. But it'll quench the thirst.

[Rob Mahoney]

Sure does.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, further question for you. Is zero normal on the pain scale?

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm glad you brought this up. Can we just jump straight into our himbo iest moment now, which, unfortunately for Ashley, I think is tilting bimboest moment with this particular Exchange, thinking that 5 is average on the pain scale.

[Joanna Robinson]

I don't know, Rob, but I'm going to push back on this. Okay, Metaphor Mars women for the Venus. And I'm going to say this.

[Rob Mahoney]

I want to hear the argument. I want to hear the argument.

[Joanna Robinson]

You and I both live our lives with like slightly chronic back pain, of course, so isn't a little bit of pain just kind of normal?

[Rob Mahoney]

But her argument was like, what are you supposed to do when you feel good? And she was like, zero would be good because I'm swinging anti pain and it's like, I don't think this is the way it works. It certainly doesn't work like letterbox five,

[Joanna Robinson]

negative five is suddenly, miraculously, all of my chronic pain is gone. Or something like that.

[Rob Mahoney]

But there's. I don't think we're getting into the negatives on this particular scale.

[Joanna Robinson]

I think zero is I'm in a bit of pain. Isn't that what I'm saying?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think zero is whatever your status quo is. That's. That's zero. So then unfortunately for us at our, at our ages, kind of Oppenheimer low key pain. Do you, do you have a philosophy on the letterbox part of this though? Like on a five star system of evaluating a movie, what is average?

[Joanna Robinson]

Can I tell you why I'm a bad letterbox user?

[Rob Mahoney]

Because you don't rate anything.

[Joanna Robinson]

I do read. I do rate things.

[Rob Mahoney]

You don't put stars on there though.

[Joanna Robinson]

No, that's not true.

[Rob Mahoney]

What?

[Joanna Robinson]

I just don't use letterboxd that often.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's awesome.

[Joanna Robinson]

But when I do use it, I put stars on it.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay, fair enough.

[Joanna Robinson]

Here's the thing is like, I feel bad cause like, what if people see that I gave something a one star and they worked on it or something like that?

[Rob Mahoney]

You can only be yourself.

[Joanna Robinson]

I kind of give Most things a 3. 3 is the bottom kind of.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, no.

[Joanna Robinson]

And then like, if I really loved it, it's a five. And you know, you can do a four and a half or a three and a half or a four. Like that's my. It's like three is my zero letterbox. Unless it's like I'm deeply offended by it or something like that.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, I do think the idea that two and a half is an average movie. Not the way I think about it or certainly if you're watching a lot of two and a half star movies, maybe you need to change what your average movie is that you're consuming every year.

[Joanna Robinson]

One of my New Year's resolutions is I'm going to really use Letterbox this year.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think 2026 is your year.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's already April, man, it feels late.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's still time for you. There's still time.

[Joanna Robinson]

I always mean to be a better letterbox user, but if you're on Letterbox,

[Rob Mahoney]

go find Joe's account right now. Follow Joe wrote this. I think Joe wrote probably spam some likes, comment on some of the reviews.

[Joanna Robinson]

Rob, what's your. What's your user?

[Rob Mahoney]

No comment. I'm just trying to get your numbers up. Trying to get your numbers up. Joe.

[Joanna Robinson]

I actually have like. What's kind of sad is I have like actually not a sizable but I have like a decent following a letterbox. I'm like all these people, what are you expecting? For me, I'm not showing up or doing anything. I feel very delighted when you do is midnight, the middle of the night.

[Rob Mahoney]

This gets back into our sleep cycle conundrum for me.

[Joanna Robinson]

Four in the morning, the middle of

[Rob Mahoney]

the night for me. Okay. It depends on what you're asking for eating purposes. I do think midnight is the middle of the night.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. For a pet.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean if you're feeding your pet at midnight, something has gone off schedule.

[Joanna Robinson]

I okay, I have an automatic feeder for my pet and my, for my cat. And the whole point of that is for her to disassociate me. She's a very food motivated cat and she like I don't want her to come to me. It's like that robot over there is what gives you food, not me. That's the whole point of it.

[Rob Mahoney]

This is how I know you're not a dog person. Cause it's like that's the only reason my dog loves me is because I feed her. So I need, I need that.

[Joanna Robinson]

My cat will see she's extremely codependent. She only likes me and no one else. I've done a very bad job of raising my cat.

[Rob Mahoney]

But anyway, that's beautiful.

[Joanna Robinson]

She. It goes off early like it goes off I think at like 5 or something like that. So she doesn't try to wake me up.

[Rob Mahoney]

Right.

[Joanna Robinson]

It goes off early so she doesn't have A chance at like six or seven to paw at me and be like, where the hell is my food? Does your dog wake you up for food?

[Rob Mahoney]

No.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

She know. She knows better than she's better. She knows. She knows the rules.

[Joanna Robinson]

So the middle. So midnight is the middle of the night.

[Rob Mahoney]

The more we say it, it's like. It's definitely early in the night. Just if you're. If you're just clocking out the hours.

[Joanna Robinson]

Rob is not early in the night. But I could. I'll give you two is the middle of the night. That feels like.

[Rob Mahoney]

That feels like a fair compromise.

[Joanna Robinson]

We did it.

[Rob Mahoney]

Blue Gatorade. 2am is the middle of the night. Anything else you want to settle?

[Joanna Robinson]

0 is normal on the pain scale.

[Rob Mahoney]

Whatever your normal is.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. Do you want to talk about transactional relationships?

[Rob Mahoney]

This episode makes me want to, whether I would like to or not.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, so this is. We're new Ish LA people.

[Rob Mahoney]

We are.

[Joanna Robinson]

Right. So we're new to a town that is like an industry town.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

So most of the people we meet are connected to in some way the industry that we are somewhat connected to. And so by virtue of that, in a way that it was never true for me in the Bay Area, there is this approach that you can.

[Rob Mahoney]

You weren't in like crypto, what was going on?

[Joanna Robinson]

Not a type pro, I hate to break it to you. There is this like approach that certainly I would not say, not everyone, not the majority of people I've met in la, but certainly more than I've ever encountered in my life of this what can you do for me sort of approach that people have in this town. Have you experienced that? Is that something that feels new to you or.

[Rob Mahoney]

I haven't experienced that so much here. I mean, I think we've all experienced it one time or another and we need, I think a German word for that very specific, like soul falling feeling of like you're having a conversation with somebody at a mix or at a party at a wedding, whatever, and you can feel their eyes drift from you behind you to find the next person

[Joanna Robinson]

that they shiny talking to. Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, it feels terrible.

[Joanna Robinson]

Do you feel like that happens to you less because you're so tall and it's like hard for them to sort of like find someone behind.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't think that's true. I would like if that were the case. But it comes for us all.

[Joanna Robinson]

I just, I really. When. When Josh is talking about if I do this for Troy, maybe will Troy help me later? Gave me real like welcome to la. Sort of energy.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

Last but not least, sort of. Before we get into our categories, do you have an MVP of this or an MVP moment of this stretch of episodes?

[Rob Mahoney]

That's a great question. Honestly, like, the main core ensemble feels really balanced to me. I don't feel like anyone is necessarily outshining. I would say for this stretch of episodes, if I had to pick one, it'd probably be Carey Mulligan. She kind of has the most to do in a lot of ways.

[Joanna Robinson]

The most despair of Burberry.

[Rob Mahoney]

Right. I think in particular, her, like, the

[Joanna Robinson]

most murdering of coyotes.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know, she's got the action, she's got the emotion. She's got, like the. I'm mapping out a search grid based on where the light last shone last to find Burberry.

[Joanna Robinson]

Pretty impressive.

[Rob Mahoney]

Genuine.

[Joanna Robinson]

Also a depression fleece in the mix. Like, yeah, we're doing it all.

[Rob Mahoney]

And by the end of these episodes, the main kind of like machinations that are accelerating the divorce or intensifying the divorce. So I would say she's probably mine

[Joanna Robinson]

for this prop comedy with a giant present getting hit by a child.

[Rob Mahoney]

The snake prop comedy was also very good. How are you feeling, though? Do you have an mvp?

[Joanna Robinson]

There was a moment. So I think overall it's hard because when I. When I've been taking notes and sort of going back through and awarding things, Charles Melton is coming up a lot like. Charles Melton is carrying the comedy in a very significant way, which is very key.

[Rob Mahoney]

And the conscience, I would say they're all amazing.

[Joanna Robinson]

But I think Cailee Spaeny for. And I said this before, but there's a moment in this stretch. I think it's episode six. Yeah. Where Eunice comes into the office and is trying to get the invoices right.

[Rob Mahoney]

The forbidden invoices.

[Joanna Robinson]

And, you know, they're doing the whole, like, I love your style. I love your style. Let's go shopping. But when she first comes in, Ashley, like, pops up to hug her. And you. The way the shot is framed like Eunice's. The back of Eunice's head is to the camera. So you get Ashley smiling at her and then going in for the hug. So her face comes around the other side and it's a completely different I fucking hate you face. And she gives her, like, a brusque slap or two on the back.

[Rob Mahoney]

Slap on the back is.

[Joanna Robinson]

And then she comes back, cross the frame to the other side and it's pasted back on. I was like, that's some good. From Kaylee Spany.

[Rob Mahoney]

Kaylee Spany's got it. She's really good in so many different ways. And just like one of these actors who I would, I would just hesitate to pigeonhole her into anything. I would love to see her in just like the widest variety of roles possible over the next five years because of this sort of like transformational potential.

[Joanna Robinson]

We didn't talk about Romulus. Like Alien Romulus. Like, what was your, what was your experience watching her in that?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, she was dope. That's a perfect example of like, would I have picked her for that role? I wouldn't have known to. I'm glad somebody saw it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, I agree. All right. Anything else in a sort of general way you want to talk about before we get into our categories?

[Rob Mahoney]

Let's get into it.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right.

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[Joanna Robinson]

Each character's worst decision, starting with our guy Josh.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think Josh's worst decision in these episodes is to say over text, I heard you met David. You're welcome. Like, that's a text that ruins your life.

[Joanna Robinson]

Horrible. He was already in trouble.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

When Dr. Allen came in and was like, hey, if you could have gotten to me sooner, I could have helped you right away.

[Rob Mahoney]

But then the gloat. I think the turning gloat gets the Stan cloak every time I think that.

[Joanna Robinson]

Like. But I don't think he. I don't think he meant it that I don't think he's aware.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's the thing.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think there is an obliviousness in that moment where he kind of thinks he maybe didn't do the best thing because of the whole waiting room situation. And we're going to talk more about that. But I think this is him thinking he made a half measure to reconcile it and doesn't fully realize how fucked a thing that is to say I

[Joanna Robinson]

have trying to leverage Ashley's medical care and the blackmail scheme. Like that's just doing that in the first place. Is we're in the emergency room. Like, have a moment to think before you decide to make that the time to bargain.

[Rob Mahoney]

This is where I want to double dip because you and I had a conversation last pot about what makes a manipulation diabolical. This is fucking diabolical.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. Right?

[Rob Mahoney]

Like this is crossing the threshold of, you know, this is a bad thing. But then specifically using that leverage to try to get the video deleted, spinning it into this person you're trying to squeeze suffering life altering consequences because of the precious hours that she was sitting in this waiting room too long because of your shit. I mean, that's diabolical.

[Joanna Robinson]

So, okay, last. Last time we were sort of disagreeing about the definition of diabolical, and I was like, saying it more about the intensity of it, and you were saying more about, like, the longevity or the steps inside of it.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think it's both.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. It's like the. The intentions themselves obviously need to be twisted.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And in a very particular, like, cruel sort of way. Like, you know better. You know, this is a me, like a terrible thing to do to somebody in a bad moment and you're choosing to do it like Josh does here. But then also, I think the implications have to be more than just like, it was a tough conversation for them.

[Joanna Robinson]

You know, in that sense, your answer is better than mine. My answer for that, for the diabolical manipulation category, is Ashley pretending to have pain from her surgery that she doesn't have just to get to end the conversation. Chamomile and the big mug, like, girl. No.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, let's just go full, fully down the manipulation chain. Right. While we're here, I do want to give, like, special honorable mention to the guy at the shelter who brings out the dachshund and is like, by the way, this is not a no kill shelter. That should be illegal. You should not be allowed to do that.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's Argyle from Stranger Things just doing his business. I would say also the entire Ava gambit. So, like, Lindsay and Ashley working as a duo on the golf course.

[Rob Mahoney]

Pretty good.

[Joanna Robinson]

Really good. I enjoyed it.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, this is the thing, like, we love a con man story, a con woman story. This episode really turns into one.

[Joanna Robinson]

And when, like, your target is a rich dummy, I can't be mad about it. I'm. I'm in favor of it. Ava deserves everything she has coming towards

[Rob Mahoney]

her, but she's the only person in the story dumb enough to be happy. You know, it's like, and yet not so happy that she won't find flaws in herself that she desperately needs to fix.

[Joanna Robinson]

We live in a capitalist society. If we can buy happiness, we will. Let's go back to worst decision. Lindsay's worst decision.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think it's going to a kid's birthday when you don't even talk to the parents anymore to try to fish out marriage or. Sorry, Divorce advice.

[Joanna Robinson]

Free divorce advice from Meredith.

[Rob Mahoney]

Free divorce consult. In a way that, like I was saying, kind of escalates everything that's happening around the divorce.

[Joanna Robinson]

I think Meredith, what really saved that scene for me. I mean, it was a good scene, but what really saved it for me was Meredith's, like, laugh when she was like, you have to get into the bouncy house now.

[Rob Mahoney]

This is the transaction.

[Joanna Robinson]

This is what you have to do. Really good.

[Rob Mahoney]

How did we not get that? How did we not get. I really agree a Carrie Coon on the trampoline esque moment from Lindsay here.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, Let the Wu Tang play. What was there was something kind of uncanny about the bat. I couldn't tell if, like, all of that was happening in the background was actually there the party, or if they, like, green screened some of it. I couldn't quite tell. That's a great shot.

[Rob Mahoney]

It didn't bump for me, but I'd be curious to revisit.

[Joanna Robinson]

Like, some of the foreground stuff was real, but I thought maybe some of the background stuff was not real. I couldn't tell. Austin's worst decision.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, did you have a separate one for Lindsay? I think we're aligned on that. Okay. For Austin, I think. I think it for Austin is just allowing this PT thing to go on this long.

[Joanna Robinson]

When do you pull the plug, Rob? Is it when an Olympian walks in?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, there are certain things you can't fake, and one of them is the rehab of Suni Lee, a fucking national treasure. Like, there's just no way, like, she knows so much more about her body than you. And this may be, if you are reality inclined with this show. The idea that an Olympian would go to a random country club to find their, like, team of pts would literally never happen. Certainly someone of Suny Lee's caliber. But Austin had to eject at some point before this. This is. He's.

[Joanna Robinson]

He's overextended his basal metabolic rate. Um, yeah. Yeah. It's hard to pick one thing for Austin in here because it's just like, he's in a. He's in a bit of a free fall of his own making, so he's gonna.

[Rob Mahoney]

He's gonna really hurt somebody. It's one thing if you're just, like, helping people stretch.

[Joanna Robinson]

And if it's Josh, then we're not that worried about it, but.

[Rob Mahoney]

Nor Eunice, who clearly, like, doesn't need any particular help in this way. But even if Chairwoman park gets in a session, like, you could really injure

[Joanna Robinson]

her when Austin's like, if you want to talk sometime before dinner in a public space, and Eunice is like, no, I'm Good. That's not what I want from you, my guy. A conversation is not what I'm after. It's pretty great.

[Rob Mahoney]

The scintillating repartee. Now what? She's fishing.

[Joanna Robinson]

I mean, honest with you, I would enjoy a long conversation with Austin. I would think you would find it really fun. All right. Ashley.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah?

[Joanna Robinson]

How can it not be the break in that leads to Burberry getting out?

[Rob Mahoney]

It's gotta be, I think, sneaking into the house to get some revenge. Orange juice, theatrics included. If that's what you want to do. I'm not gonna say. Fine.

[Joanna Robinson]

Orangejuicetheatricsmail.com. if this were longer.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's a blood orange joke in there somewhere. I'm not gonna make it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Do you want to reconsider doing the charades for Sydney Sweeney and euphoria for this?

[Rob Mahoney]

I absolutely do not. I will not be. You know what? We're just gonna keep it moving. Uh, but, yeah, like, leaving the door open in the way that she does, leading to burpery's death, which she clearly takes very hard in addition to us. Unacceptable.

[Joanna Robinson]

Really tough. All right. Whitest white nonsense.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's gotta be the lady next door, right?

[Joanna Robinson]

That's a really good one. Get to the hispanic walking down the street. That's me.

[Rob Mahoney]

You're Greek? Even just my son set this up for me. Now he lives with a woman in Guam. He married a woman in Guam.

[Joanna Robinson]

Are you Polynesian?

[Rob Mahoney]

Like, she's just very good. She takes the cake. She takes the chestnut pate.

[Joanna Robinson]

I, I, I think you're right. And she's on my list. But number one on my list is Lindsay apologizing to the coyote for being on its land before she goes.

[Rob Mahoney]

Land acknowledgement to a coyote is wild before killing.

[Joanna Robinson]

It is the ultimate white lady move, I think. Also Lindsay. I mean, with love and respect to Burberry. Lindsay running down the street yelling, cry. Yelling, barry, mummy loves you. Whilst quaking the monkey. That felt fairly caucasian to me.

[Rob Mahoney]

All of that. Her in the woods at the end before the coyote just yelling treats into the woods for sure. But I don't want to spare Josh from this too, because when they're searching, he's driving around yelling, bury. It's your father.

[Joanna Robinson]

This show is so good.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's very good.

[Joanna Robinson]

Oh, and last but not least, I will say Meredith, who is being bothered at her own child's birthday party, but nonetheless has time to tell her horrible child. Everyone is in charge of their own body in a way that felt fairly caucasian to me.

[Rob Mahoney]

Gentle parenting yeah. Somebody has been over subscribed to Instagram feeds.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. I would roughen up that parenting on good old Jimmy is what I would do.

[Rob Mahoney]

So.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right. A two for east moment.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think this is just the fact that Burberry actually dies. And I say that because 8, 24. For all of the, like, I don't know the ways that they can be satirized now in the lane that they've kind of drawn themselves into in terms of the sorts of things they produce when they want to get nasty, they get their hands dirty. It's James Franco sucking off a machine gun. Like, it is neo Nazis running through a club. It's. It's a priest putting on an explosive vest. Like, they'll get their hands dirty in a way that some other production companies, like, want to faint at. They want to gesture to the darkness. But, like, they're like, let's do it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Classic A24. I love that the ants are back, though. The ants are. Not only are the ants here on. On. On Josh's coffee table, but Ashley has a whole. The ants streaming in and out of the tarot trap. And then in the morning, they're all, like, all dead.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes. Like, that's the time lapse ant crawl.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. With poison.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know, I did think everyone involved in this story at this point is just not concerned enough about the ants.

[Joanna Robinson]

I love a tarot trap. They're very effective.

[Rob Mahoney]

Very effective.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

But even then, it's like you have an ant graveyard and like, nobody's exactly sweeping that stuff up. And then when Josh sees a bunch of ants streaming in around his food, he just, like, quashes one quietly and emotionally.

[Joanna Robinson]

Rob, you know why?

[Rob Mahoney]

Why is that?

[Joanna Robinson]

There's rot in the mulch.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's so much rot in the mulch.

[Joanna Robinson]

And they're just ignoring the problem.

[Rob Mahoney]

I agree that they're ignoring the problem, but it. If you busy yourself by cleaning up the symptoms that surround the problem, sometimes it makes you feel better.

[Joanna Robinson]

Oh, is that better?

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't. It makes you feel better. Is it better? Remains to be seen.

[Joanna Robinson]

I will say. Also, the vending machine full of red Gatorade felt very 24 to me. The hospital dream sequence, and then when Lindsay looks at the older woman enjoying her dessert and her newspaper, like, sort of wistfully, like, could be me. Could be me without a man in my life. I love this future for me. That felt very A24 to me.

[Rob Mahoney]

Very A24. Also literally very A24. The whole, like, bufo trip that Josh goes On which somehow I would say takes him to, like, the very specific dark void from under the skin. Do not bring any drugs into my life that take me to that place. I'm not interested in going there.

[Joanna Robinson]

Would you do toad hallucinogens? Is there a circumstance you would, I think. What if Charles Melton was there?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. I would need a Melton style guy.

[Joanna Robinson]

Melton ON CHAT GPT.

[Rob Mahoney]

No. See, actually has experience and doesn't just not even convincingly seem like you need a buffoo Sherpa. Yes. Okay, guys, A real bufo bro.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And he pretends to be one, but he's not one.

[Joanna Robinson]

Guess who I never want to meet in my life? A bufo bro. No, absolutely not. Like 10 times worse than a ayahuasca bro.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, that's for sure.

[Joanna Robinson]

And that's a bad. That's a bad, bad vibe. Okay, we've already talked about diabolical manipulation, realistic shot fire during an argument.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's a lot of candidates for this one. I think there's going to be a lot of candidates for every bunch of episodes we do. But I think it's the way that Burber's escape turns into Josh and Lindsay, like, taking very direct aim at each other. And I have written down specifically, you do this, you always need someone to blame, so you distort reality to build some absurd narrative. Yikes.

[Joanna Robinson]

In that same argument, it would be Lindsay bringing the literal receipts when she goes, oh, you fucked up.

[Rob Mahoney]

You fucked. You fucked up.

[Joanna Robinson]

Wonderful brass doorstop order for you, you goddamn fucking idiot, with the date on it. And then Josh, on the other hand, imitating your accent, doing the like, not

[Rob Mahoney]

so, not so not so.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, like, getting really petty inside of that. And that argument will come back up in other categories, obviously, but that's. It was a tremendous performance.

[Rob Mahoney]

The ramp up of the pettiness between them has been wonderful and. And kind of culminating for me in the Lindsay, like, I'm going to fuck every guy over five, nine at this club.

[Joanna Robinson]

Very good.

[Rob Mahoney]

Again, just knowing exactly what dagger to pull out to wound the person you're with.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, yeah. All right. We've. You've already touched on some himbo IOUs bimbo stuff. Remind me what you called the JFK runs on our love story coverage.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's a trauma jog joke.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. Austin going on some trauma jogs to avoid Lindsay post surgery, him saying it's a broken faux show. And then when the aforementioned Olympian comes into his facility and he goes, what ails you? And strikes a sort of like, thinking man pose.

[Rob Mahoney]

Very Pensive.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. Very good. What else do you have as far

[Rob Mahoney]

as other, like, himboy stuff? I think just having to recite the Gatorade sequence to himself as he walks down the hall so he doesn't forget it in 30 seconds.

[Joanna Robinson]

I would do that, though.

[Rob Mahoney]

Would you?

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, I think.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think you could remember.

[Joanna Robinson]

No, my memory's bad.

[Rob Mahoney]

You couldn't remember the list of four flavors?

[Joanna Robinson]

I would. I might not ever recite it out loud, but I would recite it in my own head. Yes.

[Rob Mahoney]

Wow. Red, blue, yellow. No, purple, baby. Red, blue, yellow, purple.

[Joanna Robinson]

I would also like to think that I like my. I would already know my partner's preference. Gatorade preference.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's the damning detail.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Anything else? Turn a cold plunge into a gold plunge.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's. Look, I think it's natural to be a little intimidated if you are pretending to be a profession that you're not incredibly underqualified. And then met with Sunni Lee.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And being told that you're now responsible for her rehab and treatment. You're going to say some dumb things. Feels reasonable to me.

[Joanna Robinson]

Name drop slash celebrity cameo.

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm going to say it again. They got Suni Lee. So an incredible cameo I was not expecting.

[Joanna Robinson]

Does it top Barry Davis for you?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think it does. And like, all due respect to Sunni Lee, very much like athlete. Acting like pops in Ditto.

[Joanna Robinson]

Michael Phelps. Ditto. Like. Yes.

[Rob Mahoney]

Delivering some lines. Very brief appearance, I imagine.

[Joanna Robinson]

Wooden Woodish. Yes. Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

But they're doing their best. And in this case, I found it genuinely shocking in a very funny way.

[Joanna Robinson]

Not childish. Gambino sharing the missing Burberry post.

[Rob Mahoney]

That one is very funny.

[Joanna Robinson]

Not Troy's Hans Zimmer call.

[Rob Mahoney]

Also great.

[Joanna Robinson]

Not literally Hot Chip showing up after you call out Hot Chip.

[Rob Mahoney]

I wanted to save that for another category.

[Joanna Robinson]

And then actually, my favorite, weirdly, in the name drop not actually showing up is when they're giving Ava the hard sell on the trip and Ashley pulls out the, like, Shakira. Shakira. And Ava goes, Shakira. Like, repeats it back with reverence.

[Rob Mahoney]

To be clear.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

As far as celebrity endorsements go, if you told me Shakira did almost anything, I'd be like, it must work. It makes sense.

[Joanna Robinson]

Gifts don't lie. And now they're just Shakira, you know. Okay. Most cutting critique of Gen Z. I

[Rob Mahoney]

actually thought they went a little lighter on the Gen Z. Yes. And some of that is what you're talking about. Right. We've shifted from generational to a little bit men and Women being juxtaposed. My question for you is, is it a critique of Austin or of Gen Z that he is such a pushover that he gives up the one flavor of Gatorade that.

[Joanna Robinson]

That feels like an Austin.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's more of an Austin thing than a Gen Z thing. In that case, I'm going to go with Ashley's like, being performatively very open, but as you said, will just, like, feign pain to get out of any conversation she doesn't want to be a part of.

[Joanna Robinson]

That's a great one. You really think Gen Z is an avoidant generation?

[Rob Mahoney]

Not to play to stereotypes, but like, that to me is the social version of like, pretending you're neurodivergent so you can have more time on the test. Not saying everyone's doing that. I'm saying some people might be doing that.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. I think Austin going straight to ChatGPT for all of his needs.

[Rob Mahoney]

But Lindsay does it too.

[Joanna Robinson]

Does she? When does she go to ChatGPT?

[Rob Mahoney]

So when she goes to talk to her friend about, like, her friend Penelope, who's getting divorced, she was like, she looked up on ChatGPT and said she might be entitled to future wages.

[Joanna Robinson]

Cross generational. Okay, we're all dead. Not knowing what a deductible is. That's. That's every young generation. Like, I remember when I was like, explain it to me slowly.

[Rob Mahoney]

Sometimes I still need greater insurance systems.

[Joanna Robinson]

Explained to me the daily check on the phone as like a relationship repair. Is that a generational thing or is that cross generational?

[Rob Mahoney]

That might be a generational thing. I. I suspect that's just like a certain kind of relationship period and a certain kind of person in that relationship period. But also is the precipitating event for that. Just that he wasn't totally forthcoming about the Eunice situation.

[Joanna Robinson]

And it's weird because she's the one who took his phone and used it to text Eunice.

[Rob Mahoney]

And he knows that. Yeah, that's not a secret.

[Joanna Robinson]

I love the whole thing where she, like, she, you know, we're all very cognizant of the recently deleted. It's come up a couple times. She goes in there, he goes in there to look for it, and it's gone. But then he very quickly has unit, like detective, you know, Austin on the case. He puts it together pretty quickly, so

[Rob Mahoney]

gotta give him credit.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. Just really shedding the himbo reputation left and right. Elder millennials.

[Rob Mahoney]

I. I do think it's lighter in the broad strokes, but throwing yourself ceaselessly into work because you don't know how to process your emotions, only to then realize that all of the relationships in your life are transactional. And like the very delicate architecture you've built around, everything that you are is crumbling around you. Who could relate?

[Joanna Robinson]

If you show up at a manic state and asking everyone how the scones are, I will have some questions for you. Rob.

[Rob Mahoney]

I do think, overall, we talked about Josh's hairstyle. It's getting increasingly harried. Like, whatever party is happening in the back is not a party I want to be attending.

[Joanna Robinson]

Lindsay saying you find yourself as a 40 year old without the faintest idea of who you are.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

I have a bonus here.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

Which is William Fichner is technically a boomer. I looked it up. He's not even Gen X. He's a boomer.

[Rob Mahoney]

Straight boomer.

[Joanna Robinson]

These apps are killing us, man.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's the truest thing said on this show.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, Boomer. Like, but complimentary.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay, boomer, but in association. Doordashing yourself. A meal every night does feel like a very millennial thing to do.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, needle drop.

[Rob Mahoney]

See, I think this has to be like again, Lindsay wandering around town in agony looking for Burberry, as Josh has jet setted to the ski chalet to wear a fur vest as he synthesizes with Hot Chip.

[Joanna Robinson]

Who gave him that fur vest? Where did it come from?

[Rob Mahoney]

I like to think one of the members of Hot Chip had it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Or do you think Troy just has, like, closet full of fur accessories?

[Rob Mahoney]

Honestly, you know he does. There's a whole, like, room of skis, all the equipment necessary, and of course, the furs.

[Joanna Robinson]

The fur. The fur room in the chalet in Park City.

[Rob Mahoney]

Those are that same.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, great.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, and also the way that that episode then bleeds into a Father John Misty outro.

[Joanna Robinson]

Father John Misty Real love. That's. That's it for me. All right, pop culture reference. Here's the thing that I've been dying to text you since I saw it.

[Rob Mahoney]

When I'm you, I think I know what it is.

[Joanna Robinson]

What do you think it is?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think it's the Top Gun maverick bullet train situation. Is it not?

[Joanna Robinson]

Almost, but not. It's the Mezcal Mezcal night. Because that is something I would quite literally die to attend and. Or throw.

[Rob Mahoney]

I had written down we might need to get the whole prestige family together for a Mezcal Mezcal night.

[Joanna Robinson]

I would love it. And after sun is definitely included in the experience of the Mezcal Mezcal night. Have I ever told you that in college My friend and I used to throw what we call Da Bale features, which were two Christian Bale movies back to back. And we went through his entire filmography that way. I love a pun name inside of a movie event. That's my favorite thing to do. So Mezcal. Mezcal night. I was like, oh, do. Is Josh my soulmate or am I

[Rob Mahoney]

Josh on the pun front? I've attended two, like movie marathon screenings. One Denzel Washington called the Denzel watching thon.

[Joanna Robinson]

Great.

[Rob Mahoney]

Went to a Tom Cruise one. Cruise control. Great. This is how I know we're kindred spirits, though. Joe is. I and some friends would celebrate Leonardo DiCaprio's birthday every year, November 11th, with you come in costume as a Leo character. We started out watching like two to three Leo movies. It has become, over time now, almost non existent. But like, maybe we watch one and we would usually order pasta because he mentioned in like a teen People magazine

[Joanna Robinson]

interview, when did you start doing this?

[Rob Mahoney]

I can't even remember.

[Joanna Robinson]

You were a teenager.

[Rob Mahoney]

I want to say it started with when J. Edgar came out. So this has been a minute. So not a teenager, but into adulthood.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. And what a great inciting project for you to start with, Jay.

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm animated by many things.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. You know, so DiCaprio.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes. The great problem though was in the same interview he mentioned this is like teenage Leonardo DiCaprio is being interviewed, saying, yes, absolutely. Said his favorite food is pasta, so we got to get pasta. And he said his favorite drink is Fruitopia, which is very hard to find now. I think we successfully did it one time. We, we sourced some. It did not hold up well. But if you have Fruitopia out there, I'm interested. If you have Fruitopia, I genuinely.

[Joanna Robinson]

If you have a Fruitopia hookup, that,

[Rob Mahoney]

that's the whole reason that we don't

[Joanna Robinson]

think there's a fun name for your DiCaprio.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's not. This is what I'm realizing. I fucking missed the boat on that.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. Press [e-mail] if you know what Rob should name his DiCaprio event.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, I. It's my literal favorite. There should be like a tie in food theme, a fun name naturally, and a movie of some kind. The reason I was wondering if it happened when you were started when you were a teenager because you were able to cite a teen interview with his favorite food.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's just deep research, my friend Hillary.

[Joanna Robinson]

I'm not like a. I, I actually do not give a. About the royal family, but when we were teenagers, my friend Hillary and I every year used to make all of our friends celebrate Prince William's birthday. As a joke. We would make a cake and then we would watch royal themed movies on Prince William's birthday.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's a great bit.

[Joanna Robinson]

I know. Bits are fun. Movie marathons are fun.

[Rob Mahoney]

Party planner Joanna Robinson. High marks. All right.

[Joanna Robinson]

Pascal night is so good again.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think it might have to happen for us.

[Joanna Robinson]

Let's do it. All right. I love that. But yeah, the Top Gun Maverick moment, so good. Also zero is. Oppenheimer was also a great shots fired from our girl.

[Rob Mahoney]

I also think as far as like relationship critiques and snipes go, having secret resentment because you couldn't go see Top Gun Maverick because your partner had Covid. There is a reality to that.

[Joanna Robinson]

And also your hatred of Bullet Train where you just like, what a downgrade from Top Gun Maverick to Bullet Train.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, that's your guy.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's not my guy. I just like him better than you like him.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay. David Leitch, Joanna Robinson, the number one super fan of David Leach.

[Joanna Robinson]

My. Actually, my on the Atomic Blonde DVD case is a pull quote from my review of Atomic Blonde. I think that's the only DVD case I'm on is the Atomic.

[Rob Mahoney]

You're not going to dodge the allegations?

[Joanna Robinson]

No, I guess I'm not.

[Rob Mahoney]

Sorry to say.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right. Eat the rich. What do you have?

[Rob Mahoney]

Where are we eating the rich this week? I actually think Troy does an extraordinarily nice thing for Josh in these episodes in terms of whisking him away and trying to get his mind off it. Organizing a chalet party. A chalet party on a moment's notice.

[Joanna Robinson]

Hot chip on speed dial.

[Rob Mahoney]

But that's the thing. Like getting hot chip and a full party within, I don't know, two and a half hours.

[Joanna Robinson]

How long does it take to fly to Park City? Yeah, like some couple hours on the PJ.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, there they were. Wheels up in 40 minutes. Very short flight. Then to the chalet. The turnaround on that is pristine. Rich people shit.

[Joanna Robinson]

I have to wonder though. Well, there must be a private airport outside of Park City because the. It takes a minute to get there from the Salt. Salt Lake City airport. But there's probably a. There's probably something for the PJs. Yes, for the PJs outside of Park City.

[Rob Mahoney]

And along those lines, I did look up Joe, the Yamazaki 25 Year Whiskey Single malt that they drink. Would you like to take a guess at how much it costs a bottle

[Joanna Robinson]

a Bottle, not a glass.

[Rob Mahoney]

Let me, let me give you, I mean, just off the top notes of sandalwood, persimmon, some ume, some ginger. How much do you think one bottle of Yamazaki 25 year old single malt whiskey costs?

[Joanna Robinson]

4 figures.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes. $7,000 a bottle. That's why Josh is like, yeah, you know what? I will have some.

[Joanna Robinson]

And fair enough. I was really judging, like, honestly, under worst mistake, I kind of think going to Park City when your dog is missing and not yet declared dead, and he's like, we're all grieving Burberry in different ways. And Lindsay's like, I'm actually out here looking for Burberry was a pretty big mistake. I do think, oh, shit, we're in your chalet. This is not Bode well. Is like a great line. My. Here's where I'm eating the rich. I mean, the rich in the steam room. And here's why. Eucalyptus steam, honestly, 10 out of 10. It's a great experience. And I, I too have been to a spa where the eucalyptus steam was not eucalyptus ing. And I didn't complain, but that is like a defense.

[Rob Mahoney]

Complaining. No, you registered the complaint.

[Joanna Robinson]

I was just like, internally, I was just like, this isn't the same without the eucalyptus not hitting. But here's what I hate about the rich people who attend this club. How they're always asking for free from Josh, can you comp this? His doctor friend, right? Like, you know, can I get a free round of golf? Not during peak hours. Okay, during peak hours, you know that's four people, right? Yeah, exactly. And like all the, you know, the people in the steam room, Josh is like, I'll comp this, I'll comp that. I'm just like, these people have more. These people can afford $7,000 bottles of whiskey and they are constantly cheaping it up. It's eat them, eat them up.

[Rob Mahoney]

This is the secret about rich people,

[Joanna Robinson]

is they all want free shit in eucalyptus steam. You know what I mean? All right, last, not least living out with the beef.

[Rob Mahoney]

We're just right back in the pit. This is an episode of the Bit,

[Joanna Robinson]

okay, when Austin was like, where are the Filipino nurses?

[Rob Mahoney]

Princess Perla, where are you?

[Joanna Robinson]

Anything you want to say specifically? I'll say this not to, like, harsh the mellow or whatever, but as part of, like my whole health thing, last year I had an ooferctomy. And that's when I learned what that was. So when I saw Ashley on the table and they're like, oophorectomy I was like, oh, they're taking her ovary out. Like, I. I know that specific word. And so when she woke up and they're like, everything's fine. I was like, this is a fudgeing. Like, even before it became, like, very clear, it was a dream. I was like, this is.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's no way.

[Joanna Robinson]

There's no way she's okay. $27,000 debt over a DiGiorno.

[Rob Mahoney]

Here's over.

[Joanna Robinson]

Over a.

[Rob Mahoney]

Maybe Hot Pocket.

[Joanna Robinson]

No, they're eating digiorno as they're talking about.

[Rob Mahoney]

They're disgusting.

[Joanna Robinson]

Chicken. Chicken. Bacon Ranch. Hot Pocket wouldn't recommend. And I would say the app we signed up for to help with our finances canceled that.

[Rob Mahoney]

The writing is very good.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's very good.

[Rob Mahoney]

The writing is very good. I do think just the general extended comedy routine around the insurance industrial complex. It is a broken system for show, as you mentioned, Joe. Like, even just, like, they can't target you. There's laws and stuff. All of these ways in which they are trying to wrangle being in the hospital, paying for being in the hospital. Ashley's like. It's kind of heartbreaking, but also kind of funny. How much. She's, like, being told, like, we removed her ovary, and she's like, how much did it cost? Like, it has to be the first reaction to basically everything covered.

[Joanna Robinson]

That's a billing question. While she's, like, under anesthesia.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's a billing question. It's. It's heartbreaking. But the terrifying parts of being in the hospital also kind of living out in their own way. This is a more hellacious ER environment than anything we saw in the pit. The moment where Ashley is looking across at the person on the other bed, and they're like four different bodily fluids pooling at their feet.

[Joanna Robinson]

That's what I mentioned. Are they like the A24? Sort of. Like, what were those fluids? And then when the 5150 walks by, like, tit out. Just being like, it's too late. Like, what's happening? I miss that on the.

[Rob Mahoney]

Tit Out.

[Joanna Robinson]

Tit out. Yeah, just the one. I missed that on the. On the himbo category. Austin trying to pull the lake. 5150. She's the 5150. That's not.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, as we discussed on the Pit, who, like, the greatest villains on that show have over the course of season two. Is the blonde nurse the greatest villain on this show?

[Joanna Robinson]

Kinda. But maybe also Josh withholding medical care.

[Rob Mahoney]

Josh, Very bad.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Ashley's dad. Not the greatest villain, but, like, Sucks.

[Joanna Robinson]

Saying absentee Gen X is kind of interesting. What's going on with her mom? I don't know.

[Rob Mahoney]

We will get a consummated contact with her mom this season, I would think, right?

[Joanna Robinson]

I hope so. Is that why she's, like, latching onto Lindsay in an interesting way? I don't know.

[Rob Mahoney]

Wouldn't be surprised.

[Joanna Robinson]

I don't know. All right. Anything else you want to talk about in this stretch of episodes?

[Rob Mahoney]

I am eager to see how the greater concerns about Chairwoman Parks businesses interest.

[Joanna Robinson]

We haven't touched on that at all, but, like, you know, that's. I mean, she had someone killed. She had. So if I'm tracking this correctly, let's talk about Whoosh. Whoosh is her first husband's. Her ex husband's son with another woman.

[Rob Mahoney]

That is my understanding.

[Joanna Robinson]

The question I had when she was having that conversation with him was like, he was like, well, then I wouldn't exist. But like, the way she responded to that, I was like, was there overlap? Was this a child that he had with another woman while he was still married to her? She seems to have a lot of regret around, you know, he. He seemed to have been like, maybe the love of her life in some way or I don't know the nature of their divorce, but that all seemed quite messy. And then she had. She has looked out for him in his life. I love that when she was like, you know, you look more like your mother, like, right before she, like, offs him. Also, here's. Here's the thing about the reason I was surprised by that. I wasn't surprised that, like, she wasn't gonna promote him to VP that he was in trouble. It was the alacrity in which she had that. Because, like, when did she make that call? Yeah, he got hit on the way out of her house. Does she have a little button under a table that she, you know, is like a Matt Lauer button that she pushes? And she's like a truck comes speed 100.

[Rob Mahoney]

She does. Those people are on speed dial. This is like a very powerful woman who is not around.

[Joanna Robinson]

What is that truck just idling around the corner just waiting for the button to be pushed?

[Rob Mahoney]

I guess there is like a non zero chance, actually there's not that it's pure coincidence that it's not Chairwoman park orchestrated. Has to be her.

[Joanna Robinson]

She definitely killed that himbo.

[Rob Mahoney]

Just. Just with the swiftness.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, he went out full of lasagna.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, I would like to.

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[Rob Mahoney]

If I'm gonna pick a time. There are Worse times to go. And so, yeah, Whoosh is her not son. Son of her ex husband, who is, at least as far as we understand now, not related to her in any actual way?

[Joanna Robinson]

I don't believe so.

[Rob Mahoney]

And Eunice is her translator and aide and, like, confidant in the way that those translators tend to be, but not actually, like, biologically related to her. But they were all sleeping and staying in the same house, right? Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

And Whoosh had the invoice information. But Eunice has a clue as to what like is on. On the case about what's going on with this malpractice.

[Rob Mahoney]

She is actively snooping in a way that Wu just had to have the evidence, like, thrown at him by Ashley, basically. And I do think if there were an investigation, right, into Chairwoman Parks broader enterprise vis a vis Dr. Kim's medical practice because of a wrongful death in Korea, would they really be like, interviewing Whoosh?

[Joanna Robinson]

No. Eunice. Yes, Whoosh. I don't know why Whoosh is on the witness, you know, the inquiry list,

[Rob Mahoney]

other than maybe there's some impression.

[Joanna Robinson]

Well, because he's involved in the. The. In the clinic. Because he was like, well, getting people to go to the clinic.

[Rob Mahoney]

But at that point, it was like, under the table, I would think, like, relatively quiet.

[Joanna Robinson]

Maybe.

[Rob Mahoney]

Maybe he was on commission or something in like, a more formal capacity than we've been led on. But it, I guess credit to the soul police for being incredibly thorough.

[Joanna Robinson]

We. We know that they are. We know that they are. Okay. Yeah. But Chairwoman Park, I'm interested to see how that all angles of this story. I'm really excited for episodes seven and eight.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think how those elements of the story continue to impact what's going on with Josh and Lindsay and Austin and Ashley.

[Joanna Robinson]

I think we're going to Korea. Like, are Lindsay and Ashley and Ava going Girls trip?

[Rob Mahoney]

We've already been on the pj. We've already been.

[Joanna Robinson]

So. No, but, like, are we, like, is the whole.

[Rob Mahoney]

Is the whole cast going to Korea? I would love it.

[Joanna Robinson]

I would love it.

[Rob Mahoney]

I really hope that's the turn it's taking. You can only stay at the country club so long. You know, let's get out. Let's stretch our legs.

[Joanna Robinson]

I think we've lingered too long at the country club. Too much eucalyptus steam up the nostrils. So to recap, if you have access to Fruitopia, please let Rob know if you had an idea of what he should call his Leonardo. His annual Leonardo DiCaprio celebration. 11:11, follow up question. Can you please now list. I'm so sorry. I did not do my due diligence.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

What are the various DiCaprio characters that you have shown up as a radio?

[Rob Mahoney]

So glad you asked. Definitely went as him in the Basketball Diaries. Definitely when it's him. And catching me, if you can. Specifically when he shows up to the airport and is waiting outside and tilts up his sunglasses just so to gauge whether the police are there.

[Joanna Robinson]

I knew it was going to be catchy.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, got to be in there. Actually, I know we've talked about this before because I've shown you one of the costumes, which is a Vanity Fair photo that he took in which his neck is wrapped by a swan.

[Joanna Robinson]

The swan photo. I don't know that you told me what event it was, but you did tell me you dressed up as DiCaprio with the swan around your neck.

[Rob Mahoney]

As one does. As one does. And that's because we had to open it up after. Over time, it's like there's only so many roles despite his massive filmography. Like, you got to broaden your horizons. And so it became. If you can find a photo of Leonardo DiCaprio and emulate it, the world is.

[Joanna Robinson]

Whether he's talking about pasta or not in that interview. Is the swan around the neck, Is that the best DiCaprio costume that has happened? Or has one of your friends outshone you in any way?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, it's definitely my best. I made. I made the swan. So, like, I mean, that's. That's. These are the levels I'm willing to go through for Leonardo DiCaprio.

[Joanna Robinson]

Apparently, you're a very special person.

[Rob Mahoney]

Thank you.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, so, yeah, please get back to Rob about Fruitopia or naming his DiCaprio event. Thank you to Dev Ronaldo for their work on this episode. Jacob Cornette. Thanks to Kai Grady. Thanks to all of you for listening or watching us. We'll be back with 7 and 8 sometime later this week. And more euphoria continues apace.

[Rob Mahoney]

Can't wait.

[Joanna Robinson]

See you soon. Bye.

[Rob Mahoney]

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