‘Cape Fear’ Finale: All Rise

Summary

‘Cape Fear’ Finale: All Rise – In-Depth Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Prestige TV Podcast
Hosts: Joanna Robinson & Rob Mahoney
Episode: ‘Cape Fear’ Finale: All Rise
Date: July 31, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode delivers a spirited, detail-rich breakdown of the Cape Fear season finale, “The Executioners.” Joanna and Rob dissect the wild, chaotic culmination of the season, exploring whether the show delivered on its myriad setups, how it balanced camp and drama, and what the finale’s structure says about the series as a whole. The hosts also reflect on memorable plot points, character arcs, and speculate on what elements paid off—or didn’t.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Season Finale Structure and Vibe

• The finale is described as "an absolute batshit shit show of a finale for a batshit shit show of a show" (Joanna, 03:15), celebrating its commitment to campy chaos over traditional action.
• Rob highlights the unconventional “swamp law mock trial” that occurs in the Bowdoin family kitchen instead of a standard big action showdown.

2. Return of Chekhov’s Props and Characters

• The hosts delight in the finale bringing back nearly every significant object or side character (the possum, the nail gun, Lexi, and the tree).
  • “The nail gun has returned was maybe my favorite part of all this…” (Joanna, 04:18)
• Discussion of narrative payoffs: Unlike previous episodes where setups pay off quickly, the nail gun’s callback required patience, tracing all the way back to early in the season.

3. Boat Massacre and Max Cady’s Villainy

• The show’s opening minutes focus on Max’s slaughter of those on the boat, with commentary on the Greek tragedy themes and dark humor of the deaths.
  • "This is a Greek tragedy, right? Oh, this is the comeuppance…” (Rob, 07:31)
• The burning boat visuals and the “spider’s web” shot are praised as “just gorgeous episode art” (Rob, 09:45).

4. Character Decisions and Plot Quirks

• The hosts take aim at character choices, especially Natalie lighting candles everywhere when the family’s supposed to be fleeing (04:44), and the ineptitude of the police (“No consequences for the cops… just a glibfest,” Joanna, 05:08).
• Lexi’s surprise return, wardrobe, and personality shift become recurrent points of enjoyment.
  • “Let’s call it what it is: an amber pantsuit,” (Rob, 06:40)

5. Themes of Family Dysfunction, Recurrence, Karma

• Max’s insistence that Anna and Tom created the monster he became triggers discussion about cycles of harm and culpability (31:04).
• The finale hammers home themes of guilt, consequence, and whether redemption is possible, ending with the message that “No one’s ever going to be okay again.”

6. Notable Comedy and Meta Moments

• Rob and Joanna riff on moments like the possibility of “Prison Lasso” (21:32), who wins the "DILF of TV Summer 2026" (23:05), and the Cape Fear conspiracy board’s high and low points.
• Quotes on the absurdity of the show’s logic:
  • “No one in the show should be functioning. And yet they all still continue to be.” (Rob, 49:35)

7. Finale’s Set Pieces: The Rooftop Attack and Home Mock Trial

• Max’s “tiger pouncing” rooftop entrance on Zach (02:38, 29:00) is called out as a television highlight.
  • “The spider monkey I think might not just be the pinnacle of the season, but of television as we know it.” (Rob, 35:36)
• The mock trial in the kitchen lets Bardem’s Max Cady chew the scenery—literally and figuratively (“…wrathful, losing control. Max, Katie doing his mock courtroom thing. Head injury. Max, Katie. …I fucking loved it,” Rob, 30:09).

8. Conspiracy Board & “Remember Whens”

• An extensive “tour” of their season-long ‘conspiracy board’ reviews which plotlines paid off (e.g., the nail gun) and which were abandoned (“Faith's body never gets found,” “Butthole Surfers song never recurs,” “What about Romeo the dog?” 46:58).
• The hosts lampoon the many vanished threads and character absences, embracing the show’s chaos as part of its appeal.

9. Reflections: Was ‘Cape Fear’ a Good Show?

• Both hosts agree it’s not conventionally “good,” but it was precisely the “blast” they wanted (“I had a blast. I don't think it's a good show,” Joanna, 41:14).
• Compared to other recent TV, they appreciated Cape Fear’s commitment to its own mayhem and lack of interest in neat, traditional storytelling.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 03:15 | Joanna | "It's like a...swamp law mock trial. It's not a big showdown, action, showdown on a boat. No, it's, you know, a mock court case inside of the Bowdoin family kitchen." | | 04:18 | Joanna | “The nail gun has returned was maybe my favorite part of all this because, like, we’ve been tracking these sort of, like, checkoff’s payoffs inside of this episode.” | | 09:45 | Rob | “The spider’s web. Right after the reflection of the burning boat in the eyeball. Art. This is just a gorgeous episode, Art.” | | 19:15 | Joanna | “Would you say amber is the color of energy or, like…in this scene, clearly…of working back channels to prove that someone is not a murderer, but simply an asshole?” | | 21:32 | Joanna | “Joe, have you considered Prison Lasso?” | | 23:05 | Rob | “But I think it’s just. It’s just a big summer for DILFs everywhere.” | | 29:43 | Joanna | “He has an exacto knife at Zach’s throat. And Tom gives out what I can only describe as an exasperated. Hey, hey, hey, come on. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Come on. What are you doing? Real, real great moment for classic dad stuff.” | | 32:00 | Joanna | (in Amy Adams voice) “Your sister stole your baby. Someone’s telling them all this shit I’ve heard about. It really is your sister stole your baby.” | | 35:36 | Rob | “The spider monkey I think might not just be the pinnacle of the season, but of television as we know it. It’s going to be hard to top that.” | | 41:14 | Joanna | “I had a blast. I don't think it’s a good show.” | | 49:35 | Rob | “No one in the show should be functioning. And yet they all still continue to be.” |

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• 00:19–02:23: Opening banter, mailbag announcement, and segue to finale coverage.
• 02:27–04:07: First reactions to the finale’s rooftop attack and mock trial structure.
• 04:18–05:15: Nail gun’s triumphant return and Chekhov’s props conversation.
• 07:03–09:50: Boat massacre, Greek tragedy themes, and burning visuals.
• 14:19–17:12: “Melissa and Adam” ampersand restaurant names payoff and the symbolism of Max’s doomed legacy.
• 19:07–21:49: Lexi’s amber pantsuit, real estate seductions, and the joke about Prison Lasso.
• 25:49–28:17: Zach’s disturbing creepiness and Tom’s heart-to-heart about family trauma.
• 29:00–30:39: Max’s rooftop attack and lead-in to the kitchen “swamp law” mock trial.
• 32:00–34:17: Amy Adams and Bardem line readings, “jury duty for Natalie,” and the nail gun climax.
• 35:46–36:23: Pool drowning of Max Cady—“couple that drowns together stays together.”
• 41:14–47:43: Final conspiracy board review—what paid off, disappeared, or was satisfyingly silly.
• 49:35–51:02: Final jokes about character fates, nail guns, and heartfelt thanks.

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Flow, Tone, and Speaker Style

The episode maintains a fast-paced, playful, and sardonic tone throughout, blending genuine enthusiasm for television’s absurdity (“the cramped crate of content that was this summer,” Joanna, 51:02) with razor-sharp critical instincts. The hosts liberally mix jokes, beloved running gags (the possum, DILF World Cup, conspiracies), and occasional bursts of affection toward the cast and crew. The language is frank, knowing, and peppered with irreverence and inside-joke references for regular listeners and fans of prestige TV.

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Concluding Insights

• The Cape Fear finale is acknowledged as a chaotic and deeply silly, yet satisfying capstone to a season that “never really cared about reality or closure.”
• Joanna and Rob champion the show’s commitment to its own rules, even if it failed to tie up every plotline.
• The hosts close by encouraging mailbag submissions and teasing future episodes, closing the chapter on a wild summer of Cape Fear coverage.

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Summary by <Your Expert Podcast Summarizer> – for fans, skeptics, and newcomers alike.

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Transcript

[A]

Hello. Welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast. Me. And I'm Joyner Robinson.

[B]

I'm Rob Mahoney.

[A]

Somehow it is K Fear finale time. Can you believe it?

[B]

I'm so sad.

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I know.

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I feel a deep. I mean, there's the storm that rages inside me. Yes, for sure.

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Yes, of course.

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Uh, there's the existential turmoil. There's probably a lot of scopolamine in there.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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But also just a deep sadness that our run with this show is over.

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A big, heavy dose of scole just racing through your veins.

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Enough to bite your tongue off.

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Wow.

[B]

Wow.

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I'm so excited we're talking about the Cape Fear finale. Um, before we do that though, we wanted to. While we have you guys here, we are planning to do a mailbag episode a little later this summer as we figure out what to do between the end of Cape Fear, the beginning of Slow Horses and the rest of the year.

[B]

See, I was going to say we were doing it because we like to engage with our audience and listenership.

[A]

Well, so the beloved people who listen to this show, Always sucking up. Rob. Always suck it up to the listeners. Anyway, Rob, do you want to continue your suck up fest and tell the listeners where they can email you and what they should email you about?

[B]

I would love to. They should email me. But also jokes.

[A]

Okay, sure.

[B]

@prestigetvpotify.com if you would like to email, think of a baby [e-mail] or any of our show specific emails. Those work too. But I mean, we're general this time. You know, we're gazing into the world of television. We're taking stock of the universe of content. But I would say people can email us about pretty much damn near anything.

[A]

Sky's the limit. You can email us about. Do you want to hear Rob Moaney's take on the Odyssey?

[B]

Does anyone?

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Yeah, they do. They definitely do.

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I don't need the excuse. But by the time that episode airs, will the Odyssey still be a thing or not?

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Absolutely. I think. I suspect it will.

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It rages on. It is quite long.

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Do you want to ask us deep, personal, probing questions that we probably won't answer? You can email us. I can't guarantee we'll answer it, but you can email us.

[B]

Actually, Joe told me she will respond to you via email. She may not answer it on the pod.

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I'll text you directly. I'll call you. So that's Press YouTV, Spotify.com, all of your hopefully TV questions. But anything else you might want to ask us.

[B]

Anything Goes.

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Yeah, sorry.

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Anything reasonable and appropriate goes. Be cool, guys.

[A]

Be cool. Anything else we'll talk about before we get into this finale?

[B]

I cannot be held back any longer talking about this episode.

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You're leaping off the roof into the pod, and you're ready to go.

[B]

Let's just talk about that right? Right now. Right now, I am a husk of a person animated by two things. One, a lot of coffee, to be honest with you.

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Two, more coffee than man now.

[B]

Truly more just. The second is absolute glee from that moment of Javier Dem on a rainy rooftop, tiger pouncing on Zach into the

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balcony on Zach, who's like, maybe I'll just stick my head out the window for a few minutes into this torrential downpour.

[B]

It's not the most impressive moment of Bowdoin decision making, but also, Zack has been through a lot. You know, he is not quite himself in many respects and is getting his bearings. Does that mean he should hear thumping on the roof while they're looking for the guy who's gonna murder them and then open the window to let him in? Probably not, but he did it.

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This episode's called the Executioners, which is the name, of course, of the original novel that all of this is based on, written by Nick Antosca, Peter Blake, and Tara Shivkumar, and directed by Amanda Marsalis, who directed the last episode as well. And this is just an absolute batshit shit show of a finale for a batshit shit show of a show. It's like a. It's like swamp law mock trial. It's like what we're doing here. It's not a big showdown, action, showdown on a boat. No, it's, you know, a mock court case inside of the Bowdoin family kitchen. You were hoping we would go back to the house. I would have a big moment in the house. You were hoping the tree would play a role in all of this, and lo, it did. So how. How are you feeling about all of your predictions, all of your anticipations?

[B]

I'm just on top of the world.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, it's a finale because all of our favorite characters are coming back. The possum is back. Lexi is back. The tree is back. The nail gun has returned.

[A]

The nail gun has returned was maybe my favorite part of all this because, like, we've been tracking these sort of, like, checkoffs, payoffs inside of this episode. And usually in an episode of Cape Fear, the payoff is either within the episode or the very next episode. Right. You see the pepper spray? It's Gonna be used right away. You see. Le. You see. Sorry. You see Natalie in this episode lighting candles. She's gonna use that lighter, you know, forthwith to burn her wrist. But also eventually the zip tie, etc. Etc. Right. So all of that is true. The nail gun is a payoff from the beginning of the season. Yeah. So that took some patience. Took some time.

[B]

The nail gun is a payoff from the point in the show where Callie, Nat's crush, was still a part of it existed in this universe, which. Who's to say where she is at

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this point was still a character who was alive. We should say, here's. Here's my one note for the possum.

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Yeah.

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Should have fucked those cops up a little more, I think. No consequences for the cops.

[B]

Not a single bit.

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Sorry about that. We got a real sorry about that.

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Half hearted at best.

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Absolutely glibfest.

[B]

Which was more half hearted, the apology or the sweep of the house?

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Or the police were required to be like, okay, we don't see him. Keep your proven to be faulty security system on and get out of here as soon as you can. We're not gonna leave anyone here.

[B]

No, no, no, no.

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Bye. Also, here's my other question.

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Yeah.

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If the. If the plan was actually to leave, if Anna was like, pack your bags, Natalie, we're going. Why did Natalie then light between 50 and 100 candles around the house? If the plan was to leave immediately,

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was that before or after the retrieval of the shotgun?

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I think before the cops were still there.

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Well, maybe she wasn't informed of the plan for.

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No, she was. She said, natalie, pack your bags. Yeah, the cops are like, we're going to do a sweep. Next shot, Natalie's lighting a romantic amount of candles around the house.

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You know, it's fair.

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Okay.

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But also if you are, Natalie, do you take anything your weird mom says at face value anymore? I think I probably wouldn't. But when the cops showed up in this episode, I was like, joe is going to get exactly what she wants. All of these dudes are going to die.

[A]

I know.

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And then they just fucking left.

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Single one left. You got Lexi returns in a shock in a snappy pantsuit and a Mercedes convertible.

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First of all, let's. Let's call it what it is. An amber pantsuit. This woman's closet is a revelation. I don't know what's going on in there, but I was very happy.

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Lexi is also. She's had a. She's had a personality makeover. She's decided she's a girl's. Girl. She's like your wife. She's. She's a piece of work. She's great.

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She's a tough one.

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Yeah, she's sassy.

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Some real balls on that one.

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All right, let's go back to the beginning.

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Yeah.

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To the Katy family cookout that happens on the. On the boat.

[B]

Okay, you're welcome. You're saying we got bookend barbecues in this episode?

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Yeah. I really wish Max had showed up in his Leopold's ice cream shirt to be like, well, the secret of this barbecued family gets out there. Um, RIP Luke, Consent king.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. You know, Luke slash Adam.

[A]

Did he have it coming? Okay, how'd you feel? This is. This is AI Slop's son.

[B]

I mean, we can get into it a little later when the revelations happen, but honestly, when he got shot in the gut, I was like, oh, no, he's definitely Adam. This is. We have been misreading this whole show. This is a Greek tragedy, right? Oh, this is the comeuppance. This is a man being so blinded by rage and revenge that he can't see the family right in front of him. This is, I mean, just also a shower.

[A]

Oedipus.

[B]

Well, I mean, it is Oedipal for sure. My greater point, some toes can't be uneaten. You know, there are damages that we do in life that you can never take back. And clearly Max is inflicting quite a bit of them on his own family here.

[A]

Can I just say, that toe. Maybe something could have been done with that toe, but then they burned that toe. I'm just saying, like, what would you have done?

[B]

You put it in a scrapbook?

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Could you have, like, sewn it back on even if it was, like, lifeless in some way?

[B]

You just want a lifeless, gray, rotting toe attached to Zach's foot or, like,

[A]

mold it, like, pour a mold of it and make sort of like a prosthetic toe that matches the original.

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Actually, we never answered the most critical question of all, Joe, which is if, hypothetically, a madman was released from prison and used the power of suggestion and maybe some drugs to force you, via a third party, to eat your own toe.

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Definitely some drugs. Give. Give Zach some credit.

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I don't. It's complicated, okay? I don't know.

[A]

Syringe was full that.

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Well, that was a king sized dose. You know, that was a lot. But in the event that you ate your own toe, would you have kept it in the first place?

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If it were me, yeah.

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No, you're getting rid of the you're like, you can keep that one. But if we're going to go to

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the trouble to jar it in the first place, should we not be doing something with it and then just burning it and throwing it away?

[B]

That part is a fair point.

[A]

All right, so, I mean, Max kills everyone on the boat, really tough. You need help right away. But out here, you're fucked. I thought he was gonna leave him to like painfully bleed out from the stomach, but no, he got burnt up right quick. Poor Luke. Ron Proma got locked in the crate.

[B]

Yeah.

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Also burnt up though, so.

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Real comeuppance though.

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And then, and then Max offers this exit line. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to open a restaurant.

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Fantastic. In his tracksuit. The whole styling here is great. Then you get the shot of the spider. The spider's web.

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The spider's web. Right after the reflection of the burning boat in the eyeball.

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Art. This is just a gorgeous episode, Art. I mean, again, consider we are opening the finale. All the hopes and dreams we had for Crystal, she just gets shot immediately dispatched, put in the hold.

[A]

I don't know that I had hopes and dreams for her. But Luke.

[B]

What?

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Well, in terms of her involvement in

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the episode, just mean in life.

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No, she killed a lady. Well,

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you know, different strokes, Luke.

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Maybe.

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Yeah. Oh, sweet, sweet Luke.

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But the houseboat had sailed on Crystal in her future. I mean, that's probably true, but yeah, they're all dead. Hester lives. Hashtag, Hester lives.

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I don't think Hester's gonna be living very long. Someone better do like a quality of life check on Hester post haste.

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Who's gonna make sure that babydoll Crystal finds its way into Hester's arms?

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Oh yeah, she's baby doll Crystal. Better go with Hester wherever she ends up after this. But I mean, without daddy Katie there to help take care of her without consent, King Luke there to take care of her. And to think of the dogs. I just think, you know, there's a lot of considerations at the Katie house that we don't. We don't get tied up in any way whatsoever.

[A]

Did you enjoy the horror movie moment of this perfectly nice family driving along down the road? And here comes Anna out of the. Out of the underbrush.

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I mean, speaking of reverse nocturnal animals left and right, like we're. We're just evoking all the classics dripping

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in Cape Fear River.

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I mean, while we're doing the like. Would you do this game? Are you letting bloody handed Anna into your car?

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Multi Oscar nominated Actress Amy Adams.

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No, no, no.

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I'll get you another one.

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I guess they didn't really have a choice. She just kind of invited herself in, wrapped her hand in that girl's shirt or whatever that was and was like,

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take me home, Tom makes bail, and then the whole will he or won't he kill himself plot just sort of evaporates into thin air. Yeah, a real nothing burger. Honestly, as far as I'm concerned, we're not legal experts.

[B]

We've gotten many emails from many lawyers and paralegals and people in the legal community over the course of the season.

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You have studied swamp law?

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I have. I am a scholar of swamp law, recreationally.

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Swamp Law Esquire.

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No, see, I don't pretend to have a title. You know, it's just. Just casual in my alone time. But I have to say, just like

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you all to picture Rob all alone, practicing sweet swamp.

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What has the show done to us?

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Sorry, you're saying for all of the

[B]

emails we've gotten about legal quibbles with what happens in Cape Fear, I mean, this bail system seems very convenient for both Natalie and Tom. They're out of there so fast.

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Well, I will say Lexi. At least there's like a Lexi and. And Noah is. Is in the legal profession, so there's like, legal teams behind their release.

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They're fast tracking it, and they have the experience to it.

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Yeah, yeah. Here's my number one card on the conspiracy board paid off moment.

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Yeah.

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Melissa, Ampersand, Adam. That is what the restaurant is called.

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Really paid off.

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I feel really good about that.

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I feel great about it. And as we discussed, I mean, I have a very complicated relationship, as many millennials do with Ampersand restaurant names. But Melissa and Adam is much more tasteful than some of the alternatives. You know, any. Anytime an ingredient is involved, if it's like two nouns that are not proper nouns, get out of here. Melissa and Hannam is just a good concept. And here's what. Here's the real victim here.

[A]

All right? Pine and Crane.

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Okay, actually, Pine and Crane. I have zero shots fired at Pine and Crane.

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I'm.

[B]

I'm. I'm taking aim at the flower and waters, you know?

[A]

Sure. Okay.

[B]

Here's who I was thinking of during this whole showdown.

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I can't believe you, a foodie would move to Los Angeles and make an enemy of half of the restaurants in town.

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Well, all those can get fucked. Not worried about them. Who I am worried about is Max launched this whole restaurant venture. Anna shows up, understandably, wants to embarrass him. Make an example. Provoke him.

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Still just like caked in river water.

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Yes.

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She smells bad.

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That hand has fish bits in it. And she's just walking around like that's a normal thing to do.

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Yeah. Noah's like, should we go to the hospital now? What do you think?

[B]

Someone needs to have an intervention. Like, this can wait. I promise this can wait. But Max got this whole restaurant concept off the ground. He's hired bartenders, they've done a soft opening. The whole waitstaff is right there. Tabitha's uncle or whoever invested in this business venture, and now it's just gonna go to absolute shit. I mean, I know the restaurant industry is tough, but this is. This is uncalled for.

[A]

Well, here's the question we had decided, and it seems again in things he says this week. So, like last week we had talked about how it seemed like Max wanted to die. Just a few more things that I'm gonna enjoy my AI slop son and my be banged ghost wife in the afterlife. And in this episode, he sort of once again says something similar to that. And the fact that this episode ends spoiler. With Anna and Tom not killing him, but saying, you have to sit and rot in a cage. What is prison if not big crate? You have to sit crate time forever is literally in my notes. Coach Taylor says, crate time forever. Right. But that's. That's the worst. That's worse than death is. You have to live with this forever. So that's the punishment.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you're telling me Max, Katie went to all this trouble to get Melissa and Adam off the ground, and then he's just going to off himself? Like, he's not living to see the legacy of his ampersand restaurant.

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Yeah. What's. What's the appeal of getting the restaurant launched if you are going to kill yourself? Like, it's not going to. It's not going to live beyond you.

[A]

I wonder if, like, at the end of the day, he wouldn't have had the chutzpah to, you know, take his own life when he's like, I know I said I would, but maybe I just want to be a restaurateur. Now here's my main question. What was Anna and Noah's plan if the restaurant launch didn't involve an audio visual presentation?

[B]

Multiple audio visual elements. Yeah, well, Anna showed up with a deadly weapon, which is a Bluetooth speaker.

[A]

Absolutely. She's got the Bluetooth speaker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But Noah's plugging the waterlogged usb, I suppose, directly into the laptop. That's hooked up to the projection here. So, like, you know, what was the plan if. If that hadn't been readily available?

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Hold up an iPad, hope everyone can

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see it, just wave the USB around, water sloshing out of its crevices.

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Yeah, it wasn't going to go great if not for the monitor that was already conveniently there. But I, you know, the plan worked. I really can't take too many issues with it.

[A]

It's preposterous. And at the same time, it's a bit satisfying for Anna and Noah to use Max's favorite weapons against him. Public perception, audio, visual support. You know, Max is like, these are AI Slot voices, and it's just sort of like hoisted by your own.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Tech petard, my friend. So here we are.

[B]

Well, plus, just a nice little inversion of the gala to open the season where they first kind of meet again.

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Right.

[B]

Like having someone on a stage where they can't duck and weave the way that they might otherwise is its own kind of vulnerable position. And that's one thing. How Max got pushed to the point that he's just strangling this woman in front of Tabitha and the waitstaff and everybody.

[A]

People who have their shirts.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. They have embroidery.

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Shirt people.

[B]

The embroidery cannot be undone.

[A]

I think that was a screen printing, actually. I'm sorry. And then Noah's like, hospital. What do you think?

[B]

Get those fish bits out of you even before that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Amy Adams. I mean, her twang is twanging in this scene. The line that my ear caught maybe more than any all season is. Oh, you think that's all I have? Amy Adams. What? You're a wonderful actor. What are you doing?

[A]

Can you remember that?

[B]

I can't. That's a one time only.

[A]

Well, good thing the cameras were rolling.

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No, we're not recording this.

[A]

All right. Noah's like, let's get those fish bits out of you. Yeah, Go to the hospital. Natalie's back in her see through yellow shirt. Her fave. She's at Paul's house. Useless Paul, who once again, can't. Can't keep a single teenager in his house. Uh, and then Danny. You remember Danny from beginning of the season. Zach's one friend who has a crush on Natalie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is. This is something I would add to the cork board if we decide we're adding stuff to the corkboard today. Danny's country house.

[B]

What a gentleman.

[A]

Yeah. You could come stay in our country house. It's a very nice offer. Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

With no Ulterior motive.

[A]

No, no, he's not trying to turn a lesbian at all. It's fine.

[B]

I just think the Megan Rapinoe shoes could have cleared a lot of things up.

[A]

Absolutely. Do you think real estate would turn the head of a lesbian so quickly?

[B]

Probably not. But, you know, I don't know what Danny knows. Clearly, he thinks he's got a shot. He seems like a nice enough guy. See how it goes.

[A]

Sure. A nice guy, like the male character in Obsession. That kind of nice guy.

[B]

No, I feel like their dynamic is a little different. Dani has only done, like, nice little warnings popping into Natalie's life this year, so, you know, I don't have anything bad to say about Danny.

[A]

Anything else you want to say about Lexi that we haven't already covered. I really think we did it. But if you have more to say about your girl, let me know.

[B]

I just. I. I mean, you could do a whole palette of Lexi's from this season. Just side by side. The color looks truly immaculate. But also, would you say amber is

[A]

the color of energy or, like. What do you mean?

[B]

In this scene, clearly.

[A]

Actually, is it?

[B]

Is amber the color of. You know, of release. In this case, of working back channels to prove that someone is not a murderer, but simply an asshole? Actually, maybe amber is the color of that. That does kind of fit, now that I think about it. Of mercy. Of a certain kind of mercy. But also, I still hate you.

[A]

Anything else you want to say about your girl, Lex? You did it.

[B]

I. I genuinely cannot believe she appeared in this episode.

[A]

Here's what I genuinely cannot believe. When Natalie goes to find Zach wandering around outside of their home.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And he can't get inside, even though there seemed like 20 different ways to get inside the Bowdoin household, like one of the most breachable houses, but he can't get inside. And she's just like, I'm so glad to see you. And he's like, I'm so glad to see you. And there's none of this, like, sorry I nuzzled you or shoved my thumb in your mouth or all of the other weird shit that happened. And I guess we're just saying that wasn't Zach.

[B]

It was also several episodes ago, so no one remembers it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[A]

Way too long ago.

[B]

Yeah, I would think. Like, I haven't been in this position. I've never had a sibling shove their thumb in my mouth before. If they did, I think I would remember it longer than Natalie seems to. I would be disturbed by it a Long time.

[A]

One would hope, though. A lot has been happening, honestly.

[B]

True. You know, in the grand scheme of this show.

[A]

Yeah. What's a little fun between siblings?

[B]

The 50th weirdest thing to happen to Natalie. She's been to prison since then.

[A]

She honey trapped her sister.

[B]

She honey trapped her own sister. I was thinking, when they were in prison, I mean, Nevaeh gets some. Some good kicks in on Natalie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, was the. Was the honey trap the wrong play? Should she have been trying to recruit her for the soccer team? I think Nevaeh's got some untapped potential. Maybe this is just World cup brain talking, but, like, I see a striker in there.

[A]

Well, okay, so at the end of this episode, there's a very, like, we'll never have peace, like, we're looking over our shoulders sort of moment, which I quite like. But then I also started to worry that if Cape Fear is as popular as I worry it is, they would try to do a cape fear season 2 starring Nevaeh. But what if it's Nevaeh soccer League? What if it's like a Ted Lasso crossover and it's Nevaeh soccer league in prison? I know you hate Ted Lasso.

[B]

You already lost me.

[A]

I know you hate, hate Ted Lasso.

[B]

I want to set the record, but have you considered.

[A]

Joe, have you considered Prison Lasso?

[B]

I will not be watching Prison Lasso. I will not be watching any further adventures of Ted Lasso. And for anyone who's listening to this show. Yeah, do not email us asking us to cover Ted Lasso. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.

[A]

It simply won't.

[B]

I'm sure there are many other podcasts that will talk about it, and you will not be one of them.

[A]

It simply will not be us. Okay, so not and Zach are at home. Anna's in the hospital. Tom comes to visit her. Tom, it must be said, always. But I just took a special notice in this episode. He loves a clingy khaki and, like, a clingy shirt.

[B]

Well, he loves all clingy clothing.

[A]

He's like, I just want to let you know that I've not been skipping back day. And so this. This shirt will cling to every curve and muscle. Even though I just got out of prison and I'm visiting my wife in the hospital, I just thought I'd put on my clingiest khakis for the occasion. So I just. So I want to note, Patrick, your game.

[B]

He's doing great. Work. There are some dads who have gotten a lot of positive affirmation in, like the carpool pickup line when they're. When they're swinging by the school, when they're subbing in at the PTA meeting. Whatever. Tom. Tom knows his power.

[A]

What do you think is delfing harder this summer? Is it. Is it Patrick and Cape Fear, or is it Matt Damon?

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Ancient Greek do.

[B]

I mean, he's the. The. The biceps don't even seem comparable. You know, like, Damon's really got something cooking there.

[A]

So does. Well, they are definitely comparable biceps.

[B]

We're going to need a measuring tape

[A]

on this side by side.

[B]

We're going to do the side by side. We got to see.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I think it's just. It's just a big summer for DILFs everywhere.

[A]

Okay, well, hot dill summer. Enjoy it. Please do email us if you have your thoughts about who outdil the other this summer.

[B]

Is there another candidate that we're not thinking of?

[A]

Oh, gosh. Matthew Reese in Widow's Bay certainly, you

[B]

know, has people in a trance. You know, I just think there's. There's DILFs for every kind.

[A]

Matt Smith in House of the Dragon. Sure, why not?

[B]

You know, incestuous DILFs, like, there are many.

[A]

Absolutely. All right, quick question for you, Rob. If you've gone through a hugely traumatic event with your partner, your beloved partner, and your partner says, I'm glad you know the truth. I love you, is the response you're looking for. Vague nodding. That's all that Tom gives Anna in that moment.

[B]

It would not be what you're looking for in that moment.

[A]

So.

[B]

Still can't blame Tom for not wanting to just, like, roll back into being house husband again. You know, they've resolved nothing as far as their intrinsic problems in their relationship.

[A]

She comes clean. He has yet to do his come clean, which he will do in a minute with Zach. But, like, she's like, we've exorcised our demons.

[B]

Just because you say the thing you didn't say for 20 years doesn't mean you're just immediately forgiven.

[A]

She also took a fish knife to the hand.

[B]

She did.

[A]

I feel like we could be nicer.

[B]

I. Look, I have sympathy for everyone who's taking a fish knife to the hand, but if you take the fish knife to the hand and then you just walk around for two days with sashimi sitting in there, I think it's at least partially on you at that point.

[A]

I. I really think it was only like, a couple hours, but half of

[B]

that time was spent in a disgusting river. Yeah, like, there's parasites in there. You gotta be careful.

[A]

You really do.

[B]

They even had a conversation earlier this season about like, can you swim in that river? I thought it was disgusting. Anna took a dip to save her own life. No problem there. But you gotta go to the hospital.

[A]

Do you think that's the one payoff of, like, Max, Katie can't swim? Is that, like, he didn't follow her into the river, but you couldn't even see it. She was already, like, long gone. Yeah. So there was no payoff for that.

[B]

Plus, I gotta say, I could have sworn at the end of episode nine, when Max rolls up, there's still daylight. And then we open episode 10 and it's like pitch black outside.

[A]

I think it was like sunset. So maybe the sun just dipped right below the horizon.

[B]

You think he just spent like a quick, like 20 to 30 minutes watching the family bicker on the table?

[A]

Sometimes that sun goes quick, you know, right at the end there, the bones get home. Natalie has peanut butter. Never you fear, peanut butter is fine. Peanut butter makes it all the way through to the family barbecue at the end of the episod. Great job, Moni. Proud of you. How do you feel about this Zach performance as, like, nice boy, Good son. Mom, what happened to your hand? I find him still tremendously creepy.

[B]

I spent the whole episode wondering what he was up to.

[A]

I just.

[B]

I really thought something was about to happen. He's absolutely shifty.

[A]

Shifty as hell.

[B]

I could not make heads or tails of him. And I certainly, if I were in that family, would not be fully trusting of my son who just escaped the psychiatric care with which he was entrusted.

[A]

I know the ending note of this episode is like, no one's ever going to be okay again. But I think of the people who are most not going to be okay again. I think it's good old one syringe away from biting your own tongue off. Zachy here. Forever unclean. Unfortunately, Tom has a hard to heart with Zack, which starts with Zach when I was locked up. And that was real, like, soft suburban dad trying to sound tough to me. Energy. So he comes clean about his brother. This is very bizarre to me because Tom tells this story and the, you know, the underlying message is like, we shouldn't suppress things. If there's things going wrong with us psychologically, we should not ignore it. We should not just hope things are gonna get better. We should get help, et cetera. But what Tom says here is that my brother didn't Die in an accident. It's just something my parents told me. Yeah. So does that mean that the talking heads poster flashback of him finding his brother hanging there is, like, a constructed, like, memory? Cause if his parents told him he died in a car accident, which is the COVID story or whatever, and then later he found out he hung himself, but then he never actually, like, found him hanging there. It's just a sort of, like, in his mind, he is discovering him hanging there. Is that your interpretation of this?

[B]

I took it a little more again, on face value of he did find his brother there, and his parents just kind of started saying the company line and he started imitating it, but I could see it going either way.

[A]

It's just something my parents told me.

[B]

Yeah, I like the sort of impressionistic idea that he never saw it and then is putting together these pieces for himself regardless, clearly has hung over him his whole life.

[A]

I might want to go back and watch that, like, really. Well, I probably won't rewatch Cape Fear, but if I did, I would rewatch that rooftop scene that we thought was really weird. Still really weird, which is, like, cut off awkwardly. And so maybe they decided to add that sort of talking heads flashback thing later, and it sort of contradicted their original idea, which is that he didn't find his brother, but was just told that his brother died in a car accident. And that's why that other part is edited so weirdly.

[B]

I don't even know that it was edited weirdly. It seemed written weirdly.

[A]

Why not both? All right. The dipshit cops are here. Yeah, about that whole thing. Glibtopia. Just.

[B]

Just fucking wild. You arrested this man for murder.

[A]

Sorry we fucked up. Let's make sure y' all are safe. These cops deserve to die. I really wish that possum had fucked them up.

[B]

They did at least find the possum. Hard confirmation that the possum lives to hex again. I will take that if nothing else,

[A]

but the possum should have hexed the cops, maybe. Or at least, like, jumped at their faces a little bit. A little.

[B]

Max, Katie, you know, like, stray scratch marks on their face.

[A]

They should just be like, oh, we found the possum actively bleeding. We're gonna go to the hospital now. Then that would explain why they leave.

[B]

All right, well, they do leave. And then we see Max. Katie. Standing on the roof. Yes, I. Look, I know that Max is a somewhat supernatural manifestation of, like, evil incarnate. Right. Even so, this is but a man standing on a roof in hurricane winds, like, it's nothing. You're just chilling up there.

[A]

That was a real. It felt like a real De Niro and Scorsese, sort of, clearly.

[B]

But they're struggling to walk around on the sidewalk, and he's up there on the roof.

[A]

Like, quad strength, I think.

[B]

I mean, they're probably quite strong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bardem absolutely jacked all season.

[A]

Like, well, let's add him to the DILF pool.

[B]

It's a great point.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Add him to the Dill podcast pool.

[A]

He has an exacto knife at. At Zach's throat. And Tom gives out what I can only describe as an exasperated. Hey, hey, hey, come on. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Come on. What are you doing? Real, real great moment for classic dad stuff. All right, then we get mock trial.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Swamplaw. How'd you feel about all of this?

[B]

I loved it. I would say first, we've gotten many great Bardem scenes all season. He's, to me, been the clear standout of the show. I love everything that he's been doing. He is the show. And this more than anything. Like, wrathful, losing control. Max, Katie doing his mock courtroom thing.

[A]

Head injury. Max, Katie. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, it's just like, weird and strange and sinewy in a way that lets him chew up everything in sight. And I fucking loved it.

[A]

We get lady and little gentleman of the Yuri.

[B]

My favorite thing about this line delivery is he says jury as jury, like, 50 other times.

[A]

But occasionally he goes, yuri, when he

[B]

wants to put that sauce on. Comes in so strong. And, I mean, again, just tremendous work from one of our greatest actors.

[A]

Okay, so the question that he asks, and the show is asking us, is, did Anna and Tom make Max the monster he is today? That's his assertion. Yeah. I would argue a man who sexually manipulates his stepsister is not purely on the up it. Was he a murderer before he went to prison? Maybe not.

[B]

It seems not.

[A]

Well, definitely didn't kill Melissa. I wouldn't count out that it seems

[B]

like he's guilty of until the moment he went to prison. Guilty of nothing he's actually accused of. Other than the crystal stuff.

[A]

Other than incest, manipulation. Mind games. Incest, Mind games.

[B]

Yes. But again, it's like, it's a hurt people, hurt people thing, you know, it's pretty bad.

[A]

It says mind game is pretty bad.

[B]

It's bad. But his dad also, like, I don't want to excuse anything.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

But I just think the whole family's pretty fucked up.

[A]

Oh, okay. Max does nothing wrong. I hear you.

[B]

Not what I said. I just think Once you're serving crate time, it does things to your brain.

[A]

All right, here's you. We already got to hear your incredible Amy Adams impression. Here's. Here's mine.

[B]

Please.

[A]

Your sister stole your baby. Someone's telling them all this shit I've heard about. It really is your sister stole your baby.

[B]

Also such a call and response. We fast forwarded through the beginning so fast we missed it. But Bardem himself, Max, Katie himself hitting a. Hey, little sister. I mean, what. What is going on in this show?

[A]

All right, also on the line front, when Natalie gets away, has a chance to run, doesn't run, is gonna like save, try to stay to save the family. Yeah. Max gets somehow gets the jump on her in the sort of like witch possum magic room.

[B]

Yes. And says thank you for calling it by its property.

[A]

You're welcome. And says you have jury duty to Natalie.

[B]

His commitment to the bit cannot be challenged to track her away.

[A]

And then TikTok, it's nail gun o'. Clock. She nail guns him in the butt as well as the head. She gets some shots into the butt, but crucially, his most tenderest spot, the head wound.

[B]

I think it's most of our most tenderest spot. But yeah, he's got some head wounds. Gets a nail to the head and then goes into like a full Christ like crucifix falling pose and then comes back from the dead. And I was delighted. Let's keep on the Natalie part for a second though. Cause is she just like low key, the hero of the entire season?

[A]

Tell me why.

[B]

I mean, she gets the critical testimony from Nevaeh, then smuggles like the thing we didn't see last week, records the whole conversation she's having with Nevaeh confessing to maximum.

[A]

I assumed she was recording.

[B]

I didn't know if she just stole the. I thought maybe she was just having the conversation, getting the info and then stealing the phone.

[A]

I thought, by the way, she was asking questions and Nevaeh was answering them. That was just like a clearly recorded conversation where she was like. And then what did Max Katie ask you to do?

[B]

It was absolutely the case. And pulled off the one party consent recording. Her own mother could not. Oh, she's. She is using Max's own tactics against him and Nevaeh.

[A]

This is why you are an expert in swampla. You remember the details.

[B]

She's coming up and look, she has the chance to escape, as you alluded to, but she doesn't. She doubles back to pick up the nail. Begun to protect her family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just think she's the one really doing this whole thing.

[A]

I mean, let's give the parents some credit. They do sort of double drown him in the pool.

[B]

Well, they're all.

[A]

Everyone gets their shot at. Well, yes, let's not skip past Zach, who is saved by fishing memories. Comes back to himself, you know, via fish memory. So if you parents are sitting at home and you're like, should I crate my kids?

[B]

No, that wasn't what you were saying last week.

[A]

I was in a bad way last week. Should I crave my kids? No, no, that's my. That's my hot take. Should I be the DILF of the carpool line? Sure. Something to aspire to. Yeah. Should I take my kid fishing? Yes. It might save them one day.

[B]

It might. The reveal of Zack sitting over in the corner as all this bullshit goes on with his flappy half bitten tongue holding an imaginary fish almost broke me. Of all the moments in this episode, for some reason, that damn imaginary fish. I was our producer, I imploded.

[A]

Our producer, Kai, who's really struggled. We've just really dragged him through this whole season and every single week he's

[B]

like, he's a very good sport.

[A]

He's like, guys are sure we want to do Cape Fear? This is fat. This is the episode that finally got him. And he said it was the shot of Bardem spider monkeying down from the roof onto Zach, but I think it might have been flappy tongue, flappy fish, the double flap, you know what I mean?

[B]

The flap flop is very good. But yeah, the spider monkey I think might not just be the pinnacle of the season, but of television as we know it. It's going to be hard to top that.

[A]

They go to the pool. Tom's pristine white DILF sneaker holding Bardem down to the bottom of the pool. Anna gets in on the action. The couple that drowns together stays together,

[B]

but she's like thinking, slays together, stays together because that's the whole family.

[A]

It's true, it's true. But then, you know, the kids are watching. Natalie's like, kill him. And she's like, we can't corrupt them the way that we corrupted ourselves and all this other stuff like that. We shall not judge Yuri and executioners. We will not be executioners here. We'll let him live. And as I told you in my notes, it says great time forever.

[B]

I also have great time for life. I mean, this is swamp law, though, because they are within their rights under the Castle doctrine we learned about earlier this season to Murder this man in their pool. They would be encouraged to do it. But they decide, you know what? We're gonna be better than that. Despite Natalie's please kill him, kill him, kill him. In which I would say she's channeling her dad. I don't know which one. Either full aggro Tom or homicidal maniac.

[A]

Oh, not the Paul Cuck.

[B]

It's not Paul. Like, let's be real about it.

[A]

Did you see the email we got from someone who was like, this is the plot of Mamma Mia.

[B]

If you zoom out and squint, it's Mamma Mia. Someone needs to cut together like a Mamma Mia. Style trailer using this footage of Cape Fear.

[A]

Oh, my God. It would absolutely slap.

[B]

Delighted.

[A]

There's a lot of boat footage we can use. It's gonna be great. Okay. This is the coda. Good old Tabitha has produced her true crime doc. Yeah. With a very unbiased journalistic lens, I would say so. Of I loved Max Cady. It's a great moment.

[B]

It's gotta be the best reveal of this episode.

[A]

So good. It's so good. Then we get a backyard family barbecue. The Leopold ice cream shirt is back on. We're sort of doing the same zippy commentary. If it were me, Rob, I would move now. I know, I know. They said something earlier this season where they're like, it's our house. Yeah. Castle doctor.

[B]

It's a symbol.

[A]

It's our house. He doesn't get to disturb our life. But if you're having a callback barbecue to the opening of the season, but remember that, like how your friend Ray was at that barbecue and then afterwards he showed up in pieces in that pool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You ever going to swim in that? Is Natalie taking laps in that pool after she found pieces of Ray? Like, why are we staying here?

[B]

As they were having this barbecue, all I could think is, like, all we are is skunks in the pool. You know, it's just for as much as we try to run and change and alter our circumstances, like, we are just waiting to be discarded.

[A]

Did you write lyrics again?

[B]

I did not. That was a one time affair. Hey there. Delilah's in the pool.

[A]

All right. Natalie's calling. Tom. Dad. Right. We've made some real progress. Her bangs have ungreased themselves. She's just like, really free of the summer swell. Everyone's thriving. Except they're not.

[B]

Yeah. I would say definitively not.

[A]

No. Yeah.

[B]

Of course they're not clearly looking over their shoulder, but I would say if you thought that Anna and Tom had maybe improved. His parents, maybe they've grown a little bit. You know, I would go as far as to say that Tom's best dad moment is him at least trying to connect with Zack about his brother. Wrong footed at times though it may be.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's trying to do something fatherly. This kid just bit off, almost bit off his entire tongue. Did they give him a glass of water with lemon?

[A]

No, it's not just. This isn't the next day we're having this barbecue. Tabitha has produced her entire documentary.

[B]

I don't care how far in the future this is, that thing is gonna sting.

[A]

If he's received medical attention, he should be able to have citrus in his mouth at some point in the rest of his life.

[B]

First of all, my understand my medical understanding. And we cover the pit. So we are doctors, swamp law and swamp medicine. Swamp medicine is very complicated.

[A]

I would think that Anna's had definitely swamp medicine.

[B]

I would think a tongue wound would be among the slowest to heal.

[A]

Right.

[B]

There's a lot of movement. There's a lot going on. It's a very complex muscle. I don't think it's just like sealing up with a couple stitches. No problem.

[A]

I don't know. We saw that. We saw them seal up a tongue with a couple stitches. A bit tongue on the pit this season.

[B]

Yeah. But then they didn't pour lemon juice in it.

[A]

Well, this isn't the next day. It's not the next day. The Cape Fear is not the pit. It doesn't all take place in one day.

[B]

It kind of does, though. It only takes place minute to minute.

[A]

It's Groundhog Day. No one remembers what happens the next day. I just wake up and it's fresh. Anything that we haven't covered that you want to cover? Hey, was this a good show, Rob Mahoney?

[B]

I don't know if it's a good show even still.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I had a much. I had a much more positive experience with this than I did with Presumed Innocent because Presumed Innocent, we were trying to get our footing all season.

[A]

We were trying. Well, both. With both disclaimer and Presumed Innocent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We were like, let's find the good show in here.

[B]

Yeah, there's something here.

[A]

I think we had the right attitude this time from the jump.

[B]

I think it was the right attitude, but also the right ending. Like what Presumed Innocent does in the final episode. We won't have to get into it specifically, but it's just like a wild, terrible swing. Does not make any sense. Invalidates everything that you've watched.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This did not feel that way. This felt amplifying. This felt confirming of the insanity that we've been going through week to week in a way that I really appreciated. I think not everyone on screen always has the firmest grasp of every. What kind of show this is week to week. But the key players do, and that was enough for me. And so, like, good show or not, I. I definitely had a lot of fun with this.

[A]

I had a blast. I don't think it's a good show.

[B]

I have a couple remember whens for you. Just because the show does move fast. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of stuff happening. Do you remember that time that Anna went to Nevaeh's mom's house and fondled Sarah? All of the murder weapon and evidence, and then no one ever spoke of it again or found Faith's body?

[A]

I do remember that. Do you think the cops remember that

[B]

they have not made it to the house yet? No. No one knows that that woman is dead.

[A]

That smells so bad over there.

[B]

Smells awful. Or do you remember when the sjlp.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That Anna and Noah work for.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Devoted all of their time and resources and political capital to getting a man who is wrongfully accused out of prison. And then Max Cady immediately murdered both him and his mother, and no one gave a shit about it or mentioned it ever again.

[A]

I do remember that.

[B]

What? Like, why do these characters not care about things that are supposed to be important in their lives?

[A]

I just can't believe there was an entire brutal murder with a. With a. Like, just a horrific murder scene that never, ever came back this season.

[B]

How was that? Not a thing. How was Anna never sent to prison?

[A]

Here's the most important question. Remember how Ethan Embry was on this show?

[B]

He was just going for a dip, just having a drink, just palling around with his girlfriend.

[A]

I got no closure there personally.

[B]

Well, he should have been the star of the show.

[A]

He should have showed up in the backseat of the Mercedes with Lexi, been like, hey, Tom. Hey, Tommy boy.

[B]

You know, we needed the moment where Anna runs out in the street with her fish hook, stabbed hand, and just flagging down the car, and it's Ethan Embry inside. That's what we needed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And we just never.

[A]

What about Honey, Honey, Honey, Honey, Honey, honey.

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I mean, I think she's doing well. You know, she. Although she may have some words for Tabitha, given the. The weird way that she's talking about her man in this doc.

[A]

Okay. Her man, Max Katie.

[B]

Tabitha watched Max Katie strangle Anna.

[A]

Right. And was like, that's my guy.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

That's my guy.

[B]

The warmth of his gaze.

[A]

Wow. Hey, Rob, one last time. You want to go to the board?

[B]

I would love to.

[A]

Okay. All right. Is with, I don't know, saddest my heart that I bring you our last trip to the Cape Fear conspiracy board.

[B]

How does it make you feel to see it in all of its glory now that we're at season's end?

[A]

This was my idea. It turned out better than I could possibly imagine. Thank you.

[B]

This was my idea and I am brilliant.

[A]

Thank. No, well, thank you for. I think if you hadn't joined you and Kai and the rest hadn't joined me and with like, great enthusiasm, it never would have. I mean, Kai gave us this possum printout.

[B]

That's the thing. Well, first of all, it was a wonderful idea and it's taken on a life of its own in ways that I am legitimately sad. Some of these things never came back. And also, I think we. We hit a lot of them.

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Do you want to go through our new cards or do you want to take it toward the board really quickly?

[B]

Let's do the new cards first.

[A]

All right, let's do it. Katie.

[B]

Family cookout so fucked up.

[A]

Smells delicious.

[B]

What we got Flapping tongues, flopping fish. If your son is subject to both of these forces at once, I think you should have real concern.

[A]

Maybe consider some crate time. All right. Tom's clingy khakis. We've wondered if maybe we should start something called the D World Cup. Maybe something to do before the end of this. You enthusiastically concur?

[B]

I said it was a thing. I didn't say I want to run it. I'm qualified to run the Dill World

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bracket before the end of the year. For an end of year problem.

[B]

A DILF bracket does sound something like we would [e-mail] I know. You know, just free content ideas out there for our team, but if you have a king sized dose of scopolamine. If we just give a king sized dose of scopolamine to any of our editors, we will get the DILF bracket off the ground. No question.

[A]

Great. Time forever.

[B]

How about Detective Grayson's unscratched face? Lamentably, more possums needed to be involved. He met the possum. He only a couple people in the entire season of Cape Fear have seen the possum eye to eye and come out alive. And one of Them somehow is Detective fucking Grayson.

[A]

Here's what I choose to believe. The possum hexed him. And we just have yet to see the fruits of the hex.

[B]

The comeuppance has. Has not yet.

[A]

Slow burn hex.

[B]

All the best ones are.

[A]

I agree. Lexi. She's a girl's girl.

[B]

Total character rewrite. Don't even worry about it.

[A]

Don't worry about it.

[B]

But you know why it's okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because she's got an amber pants suit, and it looks resplendent. She's really pulling it off. Not a lot of people can do amber.

[A]

Danny's country house. It sure might win him the heart of his local lesbian. Maybe.

[B]

Guys got to try. Yeah, I got two left, Chef. Thank you for writing these cards and not showing them to me so that I get to do lady and little gentlemen of the year, Max, Katie. Ladies and gentlemen, Javier Bardem. Give this man a trophy. I don't care which one it is. I don't know what it's for. It doesn't even need to be like an award ceremony of any kind. Just get him on a stage and let him give a speech. Deserves it.

[A]

It should be a melted zip tie.

[B]

And last but not least, Natalie's romantic mood lighting, because there's never a bad time to light 50 candles in your own home, even when you're about to leave it.

[A]

Let's take a tour of the board.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What are the things that never came back that you're a little like? Huh? I really thought that was gonna go somewhere.

[B]

I mean, we already talked about Faith.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Absolutely ridiculous that she's not on this show. What else is really sticking in my craw?

[A]

Yeah, what is sticking in your craw? Oh, I know you want to talk about the Butthole Surfers.

[B]

Okay. We had a whole, like, a psychosis trigger involving the Butthole Surfers. A Pavlovian response with Crystal, AKA Delilah, singing it to Max via videotape. It triggered this whole thing and then never came up ever again, and no one ever spoke about it.

[A]

Um, let's see. What? Am I bummed didn't come back? I mean, I don't think we had a true payoff of the Max Katie can't swim plot line. We were talking about this.

[B]

Almost drown.

[A]

He thrashes around in the pool, but, like, that's three feet of water. We didn't need the information that he can't swim. It just was not helpful or interesting at all.

[B]

Never, ever paid off. Who. Who takes care of Romeo now? Our beloved dog, Max. Katie's, beloved dog.

[A]

Honey. Honey, Honey. Don't you think Honey's taking care of Romeo?

[B]

Honey seems like a no commitment kind of girl.

[A]

We added some red X's for some people who. Who left us. I don't know. I think we think there's a lot of great payoff here. Melissa's tacky heart necklace I guess did all the work it needed to do. Savannah Coffee Roasters didn't get another shout out before the end of the season. Too bad.

[B]

I know the exact one that we are, I think both most upset about the alleged murderess.

[A]

Oh, Katherine Buckley, the alleged murderous. We loved her energy.

[B]

Also a great pants suit if I remember correctly.

[A]

Kay Fear season two starring the alleged

[B]

murderous Katherine Buckley, who you may remember possibly murdered her husband, but definitely knit Tom and only Tom's help to prove her innocence.

[A]

Absolutely. And she should. I think the nail gun is the most satisfying thing that came back.

[B]

That was great.

[A]

Anything else? That Megan Rapinoe's shoes.

[B]

I wish they wish they had come back. I mean Brandon, Natalie's grandfather just really disappeared after his moment in the sun. We got no. No comeuppance for him. No follow through whatsoever.

[A]

Oh, the glitch scription. The prescription for his glitch.

[B]

Yes, for Max's glitch.

[A]

For Max's glitch did pay off. AI Slop Son. Here's what I'll say. The cut from his vision of AI Slop Son two. Oh, no, he looks like that. That guy is a very sweet, good looking guy. But like talking about the actor who

[B]

plays Luke or who plays the AI Slop son.

[A]

Adam. No, the actor who plays Luke seems like I really thought he was a sweet, good looking guy but it's so clearly just like that's not who I thought my son was moment. You know what I mean?

[B]

Well, you're. You're a little more attuned to the wig community than I am. Was that a wig he was wearing or do you think they just gave him a nice curl on his hair?

[A]

Those are. Those are curls.

[B]

You think that's a natural curl for him?

[A]

I do.

[B]

I mean it came straight from Max himself, you know.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

It's beautiful.

[A]

Anything else? I wish we had had one more incident of. Well, like I was gonna say, I wish we had one more incident of fish based crimes. But I. I mean what is the flopping imaginary fish if not fish based crimes coming Fish based on justice coming

[B]

back around mind over matter when it really comes down to it, like what is your totem in life and for nevaeh it's eating tinned fish in a movie theater. And for Zack, clearly, it's just having this fond memory with his father.

[A]

Also, that flash drive was waterproof somehow, so something for you to consider when you get skeptical about.

[B]

No, that flash drive is not functioning. No one in the show should be functioning. And yet they all still continue to be.

[A]

Okay, that's it for us. I will try continue to hope that there's someone watching out for baby doll Crystal, someone watching out for Romeo the

[B]

dog, not Hester herself.

[A]

Not you, Hester.

[B]

What?

[A]

I don't think so. That lady had rancid energy. Wow.

[B]

I mean, you've been really big on the let the old ladies just die corner lately. It's. I mean, it's tough to watch.

[A]

I don't have a comeback to that.

[B]

That's telling, isn't it, Rob?

[A]

We'll be back with what?

[B]

Definitely a mailbag episode. And people should email [e-mail] with their questions, with their thoughts, with their concerns about tv, Cape Fear, your favorite shows of the year, whatever you want to email us about, frankly.

[A]

We'll also have a live show that's happening in August that may or may not have already been announced by the time this podcast comes out. Who can say?

[B]

Stay tuned.

[A]

Yeah, we'll be doing some hall of Fame episodes leading up to the next season of Slow Horse, which is coming soon.

[B]

Thrilling.

[A]

Thank you to Jacob Cornette, Dev Ronaldo, Kai Grady.

[B]

Well, plus, thank you to Nail Guns. Thank you to Scopolamy. Imaginary fish, Imaginary fish to possum witches everywhere.

[A]

Carpet tongues.

[B]

You know, Joe, thank you to you. Thank you. Thank you for imagineering this board and driving us through this insanity all season. It's been a treat.

[A]

Thanks for hanging out with me in the cramped crate of content that was this summer. And we'll see you soon. Bye. Bye.