‘Euphoria’ Season 3, Episode 4: Fairytale’s Over

Summary

The Prestige TV Podcast – Instant Recap & Breakdown

‘Euphoria’ Season 3, Episode 4: "Fairytale’s Over"

Hosts: Joanna Robinson & Rob Mahoney
Date: May 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

This week, Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney gather for a punchy, caffeine-fueled instant reaction to one of the season’s densest entries yet. “Fairytale’s Over” sees the world of Euphoria fracture and reconnect in messy, unexpected ways—blending humor, horror, and heartbreak as characters face increasing consequences for their choices. The hosts dig into religious symbolism, character arcs, standout comedic moments, and the ongoing “price of survival” that’s come to define Season 3.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Overall Impressions & Writing Dynamics

• General Tone: Both hosts describe feeling "confused" but engaged by the show’s wild swings: “Am I confused by this show? Yes. But I actually had a really good time watching this episode for some reason, except for the parts where I had a really bad time.” (Joanna, 05:03)
• Rue’s Storylines Remain Strong: Despite narrative chaos, Rue’s arc is cited as the ongoing emotional center: “Rue stuff is often the strongest of everything that's happening in a given episode.” (Rob, 02:33)
• Cassie’s Character Upgrade: Moving Cassie out of Nate’s orbit and into Maddie’s world delivers a much-needed comedic boost: “Put her in a place where she gets to bounce more interesting side characters... and not Nate Jacobs getting his toe cut off.” (Rob, 02:52)

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2. Plotlines & Character Analysis

Cassie and Maddie in the Spotlight

• Dynamic Shift: Cassie's move to Maddie’s friend group injects new humor and energy. “Her response to the coke hit alone. Wonderful.” (Rob, 03:26)
• Physical Comedy: Highlights include Cassie's luggage antics and party scenes: “The roller bag on the shag carpet. Great physical comedy.” (Joanna, 37:15)
• Angelyne Reference: Cassie’s hyper-stylized LA transformation draws on real-life LA mythmaking, channeling 1980s pink-Corvette icon Angelyne (Joanna, 39:08).

Jules’ Disastrous Trajectory

• Missteps & Internet Backlash: Jules faces widespread criticism from fans: “Jules is getting raked over the coals on the Internet, as she should, because this is just a baffling thing.” (Joanna, 05:36)
• Struggle With Corporate Reality: Her failed attempt at commercial art is seen both as a naïve rebellion and a missed opportunity to deepen her character: “If it was just a young artist chafing against those strictures, I'm cool with that. But... super disappointing for a character that I really love.” (Rob, 07:03)

Nate’s Isolated Arc

• Boardroom Farce: The much-hyped zoning board confrontation fizzles: “It just, like, fell super flat for me in terms of the anticipation... I just don't believe that Nate actually cares about any of this beyond having money, period.” (Rob, 19:16)
• Identity Crisis: Nate’s “I can’t be bad” line provokes discussion about his self-image and guilt (Joanna & Rob, 18:18).

Religious Imagery & Thematic Weight

• Biblical Motifs: Listeners and hosts note ongoing references—snakes, apples, Ave Maria in a strip club—cloth the season in elusive religious allegory: “There's that snake in the strip club... I'd be interested to hear from our listeners who maybe have an art history background on how that's working.” (Joanna, 08:54)
• The Cost of Survival: The episode literalizes “cost” and “price” in every storyline, as numbers and debts weigh on characters’ futures (Joanna, 11:16).

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3. Standout Scenes & Notable Moments

Visual Storytelling Highs

• Juxtapositions: Scenes parallel Cassie’s emotional and physical transformations with Jules and Kitty’s crises, underscoring themes of performance and commodification (35:00–36:11).
• Cinematography: Elegant shots evoke Season 1 callbacks and heighten tension, most notably the Rue interrogation and the Paladin funeral: “My biggest laugh of the episode was the tiny coffin for Paladin.” (Joanna, 24:54)

The Poker Scene (32:49)

• Taut Tension and Deflation: Marshawn Lynch’s comedic timing shines as the poker game distracts from, then accentuates, all the underlying suspicions and dread: “Any game within a game in a scene like this is really wonderful.” (Rob, 33:39)
• Undercover Intrigue: The possibility of a second informant (Bishop?) is teased: “He strikes me as very pragmatic, so I could see it in some track for that.” (Rob, 34:28)

The Strip Club Heist & Shocking Twist (43:25)

• Faye’s Betrayal: Rue’s identification of Faye as an accomplice (“She was held at gunpoint—...all bets are off at this point.” – Rob, 43:45) underscores the show’s dog-eat-dog momentum.
• Satirical Recap: The show lampoons influencer and nepo baby culture with a “Nepo Baby Roll Call” (14:55), including shout outs to real-life familial connections.

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4. Humor, Cultural Touchstones & Reader Feedback

• Podcast Meta-Jokes: The hosts riff on podcast-specific email addresses (“Bellybuttoncoachmail.com. Should we have gone with that email, do you think?” – Joanna, 03:29).
• Music & Soundtrack Critique: Lack of standout music cues is missed (“Zimmer’s barely Zimmering in this episode.” – Joanna, 51:36).
• Wedding Music Discourses: Listener input confirms that “Get Low” remains a cross-generational wedding banger (16:28–17:04).
• Class Solidarity Wish: Joanna yearns for more worker unity amid the trauma: “Workers unite. Like, what are we doing here?” (11:39)
• Listener Letters: Heartfelt and whimsical messages from the audience, including an ode to “Maddie’s number one boy.” (50:01)
• Prestige TV Easter Eggs: X-Men name gags, nepo baby deep-dives, Cowboy Bebop references (15:52, 48:52), and more reward attentive fans.

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5. Notable Quotes

• On Cassie’s Comedic Turn:
  • “It's just me, Cassie, and that's my handle... bellybuttoncoachmail.com.”
    — Joanna (03:29)
• On Religious Symbolism:
  • “The bigger picture theme of this episode seemed to be literalization of cost and price... all these numbers are hanging over these characters inside of this episode, and that is like a reckoning.”
    — Joanna (11:24)
• On Nate’s Identity Crisis:
  • “I can't be bad.” — Nate (quoted by Joanna, 18:18)
• On Rue’s Complexity:
  • “She is, like, funny when she does her Laurie impersonation... and then there's a part where she knows she's caught. And she looks so young, all of a sudden.”
    — Joanna (46:39)
• On Podcast Fan Love:
  • “If Rob has a million fans, then I am one of them... If Rob has no fans, then that means I am no longer on this earth.”
    — Listener Mitch (50:01)

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6. Timestamps for Crucial Segments

• Cassie’s Comedic Power Surge: 02:47–03:44, 35:00–36:11
• Jules’ Artistic Downfall: 05:35–07:42
• Religious Motifs & Ave Maria in the Club: 08:12–10:40
• "Cost & Price" Thematic Breakdown: 11:16–12:22
• Strip Club Heist/Faye’s Betrayal: 43:25–44:14
• Paladin’s Tiny Funeral (Favorite Visual Gag): 24:54
• Poker Scene (Game Within a Game): 32:49–34:39
• Nepo Baby Roll Call: 14:55–15:52
• Fan Mail (Maddie’s #1 Boy): 50:01

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Flow & Takeaways

Joanna and Rob’s spirited banter combines genuine admiration (especially for Zendaya/Rue), light ridicule of the narrative tangles, and plenty of in-jokes. They praise standout visuals and strong performances, bemoan muddled plots (Nate's story, Jules' arc), and tie every detail back to the season’s core theme: What is the cost—literal and otherwise—of survival, stardom, and self-delusion in the Euphoria universe? All while inviting theories, meta-commentary, and listener participation, they ensure the show (and their coverage) remains as chaotic, funny, and self-aware as ever.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you missed the episode, you can count on lively, insight-packed recaps from Joanna and Rob that untangle Euphoria’s ever-links and bottomless mysteries—one acerbic, affectionate joke at a time.

Transcript

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[C]

Hello. Welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast feed. I'm Joanna Robinson.

[D]

I'm Rob Mahoney.

[C]

It is late at night on a Sunday. I've had a lot of caffeine. I'm feeling jittery. And we're here to do our sort of very instant reaction to episode four of season three of Euphoria.

[D]

Yes, Jo, have you ever been to the moon?

[C]

No.

[D]

Just wondering.

[C]

Do you have a photo of me on the moon?

[D]

Definitely not.

[C]

Did someone tell you I was on the moon?

[D]

I would say posing you as one of the fake astronauts in the definitely fake moon landing. I could buy it. I could see that as a future for you.

[C]

All right, this episode's called Kitty Likes to Dance, written by, directed by an island. The whole show was created by Sam Levinson. I don't know if you've heard. I have heard.

[D]

And let me tell you, from this episode, I can tell.

[C]

Okay, we have a lot to talk about. This felt like a very long episode. I just wanted to delight you. I promised you right before we started recording that. I just, like, read a Reddit comment that I wanted to delight you with. And it goes like this. Nate and Jules have the worst plot lines. They should just hook up.

[D]

That would be the solution to so many problems.

[C]

I like, kind of like, you know, as much as we railed against the Nate and Jules shippers, I was like, oh, huh. Do they have a point? Oh, no. The worst person, you know, has a point. Okay, overall impressions on this episode, I

[D]

don't know what the show is. Uh, we're kind of all over the place.

[C]

Mm.

[D]

I. I think I feel similarly as to previous episodes, that the Rue stuff is often the strongest of everything that's happening in a given episode. I do think we got a significant upgrade this week in the Cassie dynamics. Just moving her out of the Nate orbit into the Maddy orbit.

[C]

Cindy, sweetie, I'm sorry. You were so funny in this episode.

[D]

Super funny.

[C]

You were really good in this episode.

[D]

And it's just as simple as, like, put her in a place where, like, she gets to bounce more interesting side characters with a change of scenery with, like, actual life happening around her and not Nate Jacobs getting his toe cut off.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, it was great. I mean, but even the Nate stuff with the toe at the beginning of the episode worked. I had the same thought. I was like, oh, you took Cassie out of the Nate plot line, and all of a sudden I'm way more engaged with her. I gen. Like, we were watching it all together here in the studio and

[D]

very normal workplace environment, really normal episode

[C]

of television for us to all watch at work. And I definitely. I think I laughed the most at. At Cassie's stuff. Like, it was really good.

[D]

Her response to the coke hit alone. Yeah, wonderful.

[C]

Really good. Her. It's just me, Cassie, and that's my handle. Um, really great stuff. Um, bellybuttoncoachmail.com. should we have gone with that email, do you think?

[D]

It was right there for us the whole time. We just didn't know. We. We didn't know how good we could have it.

[C]

Okay. But if folks do want to email

[D]

us, they should email us for. For starters, all the time. Prestigetvpotify.com sure. For euphoria. Specifically Maddie's number one boy. Gmail.com.

[C]

we did ask you. You were a guest on House of R. My. My other podcast last week. What day is it?

[D]

And thank you for having me.

[C]

We. We asked listeners if they wanted us to check in on the Apple show, Widow's Bay. And we heard from a lot of people.

[D]

Yeah, they sure do.

[C]

They want us to cover Widow's Bay. So what is roughly our plan for the rest of this month? Do you want to say it on into a microphone right now?

[D]

I don't.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

I think it's still being hashed out slightly.

[C]

We're going to do some Widow's Bay.

[D]

We are.

[C]

We're going to do Euphoria, and we have some other ideas as well. Does that work for you?

[D]

That works for me. And I'm just going to. I'm going to commit us even Harder than that, perhaps, Joe. And say, if you want to hear a lot of Widows Bay, listen to the episodes as they come out and invest in the coverage. You know, like, help. Help us get this off the ground floor.

[C]

Oh, yeah, exactly. If those episodes do well, we will do more.

[D]

We would. Look, I would love the excuse to podcast about this show. It is super funny. It's very fun.

[C]

It's really good. Yeah. So if you haven't watched Widow's Bay, Apple did not pay us to do this ad, but no free ads, except for Widow's Bay, which is a really good show. I also. I liked this episode of Euphoria. Am I confused by this show? Yes. But I actually had a really good time watching this episode for some reason, except for the parts where I had a really bad time. Yeah.

[D]

So that's really where we are right now.

[C]

Um, I.

[D]

It does feel evermore like a show that just, like, cannot get out of its own way, even when something's, like, really, really working. It's like, what if we threw this other thing into the mix just because we can. Even if it disrupts the things that are, like, really fun and engaging and dramatic to watch.

[C]

I think I agree with the Reddit shipper. I think the Nate storyline, and especially in this episode, the Jewel storyline.

[D]

Yeah. Do you want to start there?

[C]

I, like, Jules is getting raked over the coals on the Internet, as she should, because this is just a baffling thing. You want to. I always want to root for Jules.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And this. I don't know if what. What the show is trying to depict is some sort of, like, young adult entitlement of some kind of, like, you don't understand the realities of a workplace. You know, like. But for Jules to be commissioned to do. I actually thought the painting was very cool. Just, like, wildly inappropriate for the job that she was hired to do.

[D]

Sarat, but with dicks. Yeah, I'm. I'm interested.

[C]

I thought it looks great, and. But obviously not a good fit for a nighttime soap opera that pulls in 7 million viewers, by the way. 7 million viewers. Not too shabby in this day and age.

[D]

Not at all.

[C]

The Pit Season 2 finale, 9.5 million viewers. So we're, like, approaching Pitt season finale territory with LA Knights. Very excited. We have more LA Knights thoughts coming up. But Jules, she just does not come off well in this episode. And I don't know if it's to demonstrate that sort of, like, naive, youthful entitlement or if it's to depress her so much about her art. Career that she's driven even more into this, like, sugar babydom is my only future sort of thing.

[D]

Sure. I think for me, it's like, if it was just a young person, specifically a young artist who has been, like, patronized by her sugar daddy into, like, doing art on her own terms in whatever way she wants, for however long.

[C]

You mean. You mean that in, like, the patronage?

[D]

Yes, like, literally patronage being put in this corporate environment of, like, art for art for hire, art for money, and chafing against those strictures. I'm cool with that. I had a bigger problem with, like, do you remember when this show was able to draw this, like, very intricate, detailed personality forward portrait of a trans person that wasn't all about being trans all the time? And it's like, the fact that Jules, like, act of rebellion or transgression in this episode is, like, the one thing that. That the show has been really good about not making it all about with her, every scene she's in. Just, like, super disappointing for a character that I really love.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, not just one in the character, just one in the writing.

[C]

No, I agree. I think this is a really tough Jules episode. And I had some. You know, I really liked a lot of the visuals of the Jules stuff in episode three. We'll have to stay tuned to that, but this was a really tough Jules episode. I want to circle back to the larger theme of the season, which is the stated theme of, like, a religious experience, a religious journey. We didn't get to check in. Well, we did actually do a Bible check in inside of this episode, but they played Ave Maria in. In the strip club. Yeah.

[D]

As one does.

[C]

How did that work for you? I. We. We got an email from a listener, Rebecca, a while ago after episode one. Rebecca wrote, I was struck by the Garden of Eden imagery during the final scene with Rue and Alamo. His snakeskin boots with a cobra hood ornaments, the apple on her head, and with Rue's curly hair, it really flashed. Meet the Renaissance Garden of Eden imagery. I wondered about who Alamo represents. Is it Adam, the devil, et cetera, and what that means for his relationship to Rue in general? I think it'll be fun to tie the visual language of the show to Biblical allegory. I really agree. I don't know how consistent the show has decided to be with this, but, like, we get more snake cam inside of this episode. There's that snake in the strip club, so, you know, I think that there's

[D]

a snake in the strip clubmail.com.

[C]

yeah, absolutely. There's a snake in my book. I think. I think that's interesting to contemplate. I'd be interested to hear from our listeners who have identified more, who maybe have, like, an art history background or something like that. But how do you think that's working? And is it as simple as putting Ave Maria over a strip club sequence? Is that driving home the religious. The big picture religious theme that we were promised this season?

[D]

Here's my inner conflict.

[C]

Sure, Rob.

[D]

Ave Maria in a strip club again, with, like, some very interesting, like, Reverby kind of effects around some of this stuff. Sometimes, like, really does work for me, like, those sorts of juxtapositions that you're

[C]

a Catholic boy jumping out.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

Did you feel the same way with the. With the. We forgot to check in on. This is Maddie's number one boy and a former Catholic. How did you feel about the, like, crucifix dangling, like, over the, like, delicate amount of ass crack she was showing at the wedding last.

[D]

Last night? Well, Father, Son, holy Maddie, obviously a

[C]

religious experience for you.

[D]

How could it not be? Just making sure our queen in all of her splendor, we can do nothing but support her.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

No, I think that part of it really works. I mean, as far as the metaphor goes, I am trying to make heads and tails of it as you are. It feels maybe muddled or maybe just not entirely clear yet. I mean, this is an episode about, I think, if not revelation, like, a realization for Rue in particular. Right. Like, the scene in which she is looking at what Kitty with the guys in the champagne room on the monitor. The surveillance cam is definitely like a pit of your stomach, like, drop sort of. I think for Rue, it's the understanding, like, this is not the pole dancing wonderland, maybe that I've convinced myself that it was or that I was pretending that it was. And I've instead been participating in this other, bigger thing, which is like a kind of a bite of the apple and a waking up into the larger world.

[C]

There is a way that it was shot where she was, like, on her knees, sort of face up, turned to this, like, light, you know, this almost, like, supplicant sort of thing. We definitely get Nate on his knees with, like, supplication and stuff like that inside of this episode. But, yeah, I thought that was a really interesting moment. I mean, on the one hand, you're like, what exactly do you think is happening in this club Brew? But on the other hand, for me, the bigger picture theme of this episode seemed to be literalization of cost and price. Right. You get all these numbers are rolled at us at this episode, like, what? Lexi, how much did you. How much did this mistake cost us? Right.

[D]

That was tough.

[C]

Don't be a net neg like on set. Right. Um, Nate, how much do you owe?

[D]

Right.

[C]

What is. What is the price here?

[D]

It's a Brass Tacks episode.

[C]

Rue, how many years did you just rack up for yourself in federal prison? Like, all of these numbers are hanging over these characters inside of this episode, and that is like a reckoning. And it's. And it's a way in which this. This system that's like grinding them all down.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Is causing people to turn on each other in a. Inside of a system where if they just helped each other, like the way that magic there is. Aaliyah character narcs out Rue, and I'm like, why would you do that when she's asking a fellow dancer if she's okay? You know, I mean, I understand why, but I'm just saying, like, workers unite. Like, what are we doing here?

[D]

You're looking for more class solidarity? Stick it to Big Eddie or anybody, you know?

[C]

Well, someone did.

[D]

Well, yeah.

[C]

I was curious how you feel about the plots intersecting. This is something we were asking in a previous episode, is like, how will all these plots come? And we get a scene in this episode with Maddy, Cassie, Rue, and Lexi all ostensibly in one place.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Jules is inside of Lexi's story in this episode. Maddie could become part of Rue's storyline because Rue goes to her for drugs. I don't know if that's the last we'll hear of that in the preview for next week's episode, which we did watch, Sharon Stone does ask Lexi, like, that's your sister. So is Cassie gonna be in Lexi's storyline? And. And then really, that just leaves Nate out on a. Like a sort of Frankenstein esque ice floe of his own outside the larger intersecting plot of episode seven.

[D]

He's going to show up off in the distance on the other side of the ice lake, covered in rags, tattered. You know, just. He's. He's had a whole time this season.

[C]

Absolutely. Absolutely. The start. The scars are already on his face.

[D]

So let me tell you the most baffling thing about that intersection, though. Like, we talked about the Cassie and Maddie stuff, and I think most of that is very successful. But that one scene you identified where they're all together by the pool with the leaf blower with Gideon Adalon. I. I guess also here.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Did not work for me. At all.

[C]

It didn't.

[D]

No.

[C]

The le. Okay, the Lexi part didn't work for me.

[D]

Yeah. The Lexi is just, like, being a scold for five minutes.

[C]

The Ru part, I was a little distracted once again, trying to figure out if Zendaya and Sydney Sweeney were actually literally in the same place at the same time. The Cassie stuff did work for me. The way that she was talking while the leaf blower was blowing and no one could hear.

[D]

The leaf blower is the one gag there. That does work. That part does work. I gotta. I gotta give it up for the leaf blower.

[C]

Yeah. You mentioned Gideon Adlon, who plays a character, I believe, named Gilly, who's. Who shows up, we think, for the first time in this episode. I don't think we've seen her there before. Gideon Adlon did post on her Instagram a photo from episode one, but I don't know, like, of her at the apartment complex. So I don't know if the camera maybe panned past her in a previous episode, but Gideon Adlon, who's Pamela Adlon's daughter, is Nepo baby number one in the Nepo baby roll call that we're gonna do for Euphoria this season. Okay, so Maud Apatow has been here. So nothing new, naturally. Homer Gere. Richard Gearson is playing Dylan Reed, the star of LA Knights, who we met in a previous episode. Jeff Wahlberg shows up in this episode as Brandon, the, like, social media influencer

[D]

who's hosting the party.

[C]

Yeah, Dirtbag. Jeff Wahlberg is Mark and Donnie's nephew. Of. Of the. Of the Boston Wahlbergs.

[D]

Of Wahlbergers.

[C]

Of Wahlberger fame. Right. And then Anna Van Patten, who plays Kitty, the titular Kitty is Grace Van Patten, star of Tell Me Lies, et cetera, et cetera. That's her sister.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Um, so that's my Napa baby roll call.

[D]

Well, I feel like you missed one. You know, we went down before the show, Joe, on a pretty deep rabbit hole on some guy named Smiles.

[C]

I don't want to talk about smiles.

[D]

You want to talk about smiles?

[C]

You want to talk about smiles?

[D]

You're the one who found out all. All the info.

[C]

There's a guy in the party scene who, for a second, all three people who were in this room watching the show thought was Dominic Fike, who played Elliot in the previous season. Because of the blonde hair.

[D]

He's strictly a bleaching problem.

[C]

And. And the face tattoo. He's involved in the sort of door shenanigans that happen. He's a Rapper named Smiles with a Z. And we found out that he is sort of like a scion of.

[D]

In fairness, I think a broader musician and singer, maybe sometimes.

[C]

Rapper. Sure. Jack Bruno, AKA Smiles, scion of the Bedhead hair product family.

[D]

The Tony and Guy Fortune.

[C]

The Tony and Guy Fortune. And his hair looks like that. That's my question. So.

[D]

Okay, that's gonna cut deep on the

[C]

naming front and shout out the Euphoria subreddit where I spent the last hour just, like, really enjoying the comments. Rolling in. Someone pointed out that a lot of the people associated with the strip club have the same names as X Men. Bishop Magic with the K. Kitty, obviously. Angel and Kitty.

[D]

Holy shit. This is House of Art.

[C]

Welcome, welcome. You asked. Last week after the wedding episode, you asked our listeners to weigh in about whether or not Get Low was, like, merely a millennial wedding anthem if Gen Z was enjoying it.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

Resounding response.

[D]

We heard from a lot of DJs.

[C]

They love get Low at a wedding.

[D]

A lot of wedding guests, a lot of people who have been wed, all of whom are, like, very excited about Get Low. Riley.

[C]

So it's true. I also. We also got a couple emails in response to my assertion that I thought that Maude Apatow's character, Lexi would have cleaned up in college. We got an email from a listener who prefers to remain anonymous. Can't imagine why, who says, I was in Mod's class at Northwestern. This is all positive. So I wouldn't read this if it was like, someone just being like, what a bitch.

[D]

Talking shit about Maude Apatow.

[C]

I was in Mod's class at Northwestern. We ran the same social circles until she dropped out to film. Euphoria can confirm that she was the object of a lot of male attention, even within a small school that had many children of celebrities. Julia Lee Dreyfus, Steve Carell, et cetera, et cetera. She was always kind. And down to earth, too. Surprisingly normal, given her upbringing.

[D]

So Maude Apatow, professionally charismatic person, cleaned

[C]

up at college, turns out, Lexi, I think you could have done quite well if you wanted to. No pressure.

[D]

It's about what she wants. Lexi didn't seem interested.

[C]

No pressure. You want to talk about Nate?

[D]

I mean, literally, if we have to.

[C]

Okay. What do you want to say?

[D]

I just don't understand. Like, I was kind of looking forward to the idea of Nate versus, you know, the. The board that could finally give him the clearance necessary to commence construction.

[C]

You love zoning laws.

[D]

I mean, I genuinely kind of do. No, but Nate versus the Zoning board. Okay. There's something like. We've been building up to this. There's been a lot of conversation over the last couple weeks, and it's just this. It just, like, fell super flat for me in terms of the anticipation. And some of this is just the larger frustration with Nate's general plot line. I mean, the one part of this that sticks out is just this, like, his insistence that, like, he needs this to go right, to basically, like, do something good.

[C]

I can't be bad.

[D]

I can't be bad.

[C]

I can't be bad was a really interesting line, I thought.

[D]

Very interesting. I mean, certainly, maybe we'll get him closer to the Nate we know over the back part of the season.

[C]

Does that mean I can't be a failure, or does that mean I can't be, like, more like, you know, because as he works on his. I mean, he's no Don Draper, but as he works on his pitch for, like, what this, you know, old folks home will be and the hospice care, and what he's doing is, like, we are doing good for the world. Do you think he believes that or that's just a story he needs to sell to possibly not get more toes clipped off of his feet?

[D]

I think he believes it just enough to, like, sleep well at night. Okay, but, like, in his heart of hearts, does he think profiting off of old people and their families is, like, doing intrinsic good for the universe? No, I don't really think so. And. And he doesn't give a shit about these flowers. Like, it's not a. It's not an accident.

[C]

Fuck those flowers.

[D]

I mean, this guy gets up in front of the board, the zoning board, of all people. A sacred space.

[C]

Okay?

[D]

And it's like, of course you wouldn't sign off on this. He's full of shit. To say nothing about whatever environmental studies need to be done. Like, I. I just. I don't believe that Nate actually cares about any of this beyond having money, period, and having enough money to not die.

[C]

I agree, but I just thought the I can't be bad line was so, so interesting.

[D]

It. It is the most interesting he's been all season.

[C]

Correct.

[D]

But that's a low bar.

[C]

Did you see a lot the. A really popular theory, which I think is incorrect. But, hey, listen, no bad ideas in a brainstorm. A really popular theory off of episode three was that when Nate disappeared the night before the wedding.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

That he was actually with Maddie. I think. There's no evidence that that is. I feel like we would have gotten more from I mean, I understand that she was, like, upset at the wedding, but, like, I don't think that's something they're going to reveal later. Unless you think this, like, you know, date taunt between Cassie and Matty in pursuit of money could be blown up. I mean, it feels like it's gonna be blown up by Cassie being dumb in the very next episode, per the trailer. But, you know, I can't wait.

[D]

I also can't wait. Of all the things happening on this show, I need a scene in which Suze finds out about Cassie's, I assume, fledgling onlyfans career. Like, I need that scene. I don't even care what she says. I don't care what her reaction is. I just want to know what Suze thinks about it.

[C]

In season two, she says she needs an exorcism.

[D]

That girl needs a fucking exorcism. Hide the knives.

[C]

She's sitting there with the wine. Opener. Honestly, one of my favorite moments on the Jewels front. I know we already talked about this, this storyline, but we just wanted to check in on the Love island situation. Jules is watching America.

[D]

Love island, that's a cry for help, not uk.

[C]

Come on. It's the hat, specifically on this episode that really screamed u us love island. But in season one, episode four, Rue, of course, watched 22 Hours of Love island in the episode where she couldn't get out of bed to pee, and there's this, like, really disturbing shot of her organ, like, swelling and stuff like that. Love island seems to be shorthand for not everything's going great with these characters. Is this supposed to tell us that Jules is just not in, like, before getting hired by Lexi? Not in a good headspace? What do you think?

[D]

I mean, here's the thing. At this moment in time, just given everything that's gone on over the last five, ten, fifty, a thousand years, I don't know the state of things currently around the globe. It's like our baseline level is, I need some pacification. Like, I need some Love island just to get through the day. So if we're not living and working through a constant state of active depression, like, what are we doing?

[C]

It's a great point. I know that you're a fellow fan of Taskmaster, the UK show. Did you see the cast for Celebrity Traders UK this next season?

[D]

No. Who's on it?

[C]

Okay, sorry, quick sidebar. Hold on, I gotta pull this up. As a fellow fan of UK comedians, here's what I'm going to say. James a Caster. James a Caster's There, Done. Joe Lyet's there. Rob Beckett is there. Okay, okay. The. The boys are in town.

[D]

They really are.

[C]

But Michael Sheen is going to be on it. Richard E. Grant is going to be on it. James Blunt, the singer is going to be on it. Bella Ramsey is going to be on it. My holla from industry is going to be on it. Like, this is going to be like. Miranda Hart's going to be like. It's just like one of the Romesh is going to be on it. Like, this is just like one of the, like, most insane lineups I've ever seen. So can I bring you over to the dark side? You're not really reality tv, not typically. Can I bring you over the dark side for Celebrity UK Traders? This. With this line.

[D]

I've got to be there.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Frankly, just given that lineup, I'm hearing a lot of prestige in that line.

[C]

I know, I know. That's what I'm saying. I'm just Richard E. Grant, Michael Sheen.

[D]

We'll see what we can negotiate over here. But I will definitely be watching, that's for sure. Okay, so let me ask you this, Joe.

[C]

Well, that's my answer to pacification. I don't watch Love island, but I will watch the Traitors. Yes, I do watch Survivor. You know, like, there I have my versions of this.

[D]

But is that an everyday pacification or like, the particularly hard day, particularly tough week? I need something to just like, zone out, turn my brain off. Whatever it is you need in that

[C]

moment is this when you turn to bake Off. What is your version of this?

[D]

No, mine, unfortunately, is YouTube bushcrafting videos. It's a solitary man or woman sometimes with their dog out in the wilderness, just like chopping wood.

[C]

What's bushcrafting?

[D]

Oh, Joe, I'm so glad you asked. It's literally just like.

[C]

Is it Australian specifically?

[D]

No, no, no. It can be anywhere in the world.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

But it's just going out into nature and usually, like building a shelter of some kind that then you sleep in overnight and basically just leave crafting in the wilderness in from and of the bush.

[C]

Okay. Why would you call it bushcrafting if it's not Australian based?

[D]

I didn't name it. You know, I'm just consuming the content.

[C]

Would you consume 22 hours of bushcrafting?

[D]

I probably have.

[C]

Would we be worried?

[D]

It's been a lot. Yeah. Okay.

[C]

On the Lexi apartment complex front, I want to applaud Sam Levinson for, like, the Melrose place ification of this apartment complex. So the fact that Cassie is now living there. Rue stays with Lexi sometimes. Like, they all have reason to be in and out of that apartment complex. And I think that that is great setup for television.

[D]

It's quite an elegant solution to the. Like, how do we not all congregate in the girls bathroom at the high school, you know?

[B]

Absolutely.

[D]

You found a place. And within that, I even think, like, some of these moments visually, as is often the case with euphoria, are awesome. Like Lexi staring out her window or typing by the window as, like, the camera flashes come from Cassie's apartment.

[C]

Which is another callback to season one, when those girls shared a room and Cassie was taking nudes for McKay, like, sort of against her will, like, under the sheets. And you could. You just had the, like, the flash of her taking the nudes and Lexi, always the watcher, always the observer, always the writer sort of taking notice. I thought, like, I actually thought there were a lot of incredible visuals inside of this episode. The way that the Rue interrogation scene is filmed with, like, not just the way that the pale blue of her suit sort of just like blends into the wall, so she just, like, seems like, so faded against the wall in that interrogation scene, but also the shot from behind her head where you've got, like, one interrogator on one side and the other on the other. There's a similarly framed moment at the funeral for Paladin, which you were here. That was my biggest laugh of the episode, was the tiny coffin for Paladin. But you see the cross on Paladin's grave, and then you've got the, like, Nazi chuckle, fucks and Fae, like, two on two perfectly framed around that. As they craft their very elegant scheme to rob the strip club. What could possibly go wrong at the end of the episode?

[D]

One more I wanna shout out to on the visual front. And it's like. It's skeefy and it, like, makes my skin crawl. But the early visual, the Alamo and Kitty. Yeah, exactly. Like the spreading leg silhouette and his hat completely.

[C]

Yeah. Like, that's like back to some, like, really euphoria, arty visual stuff that I really liked about the show.

[D]

So I agree, and I think particularly for that one thematically given Weir by the end of the episode, in terms of Kitty feeling the transactional nature of this so acutely, it's like, you know, again, like, this is sort of the original sin, bringing her into this world and very worried for that character. But also she's already living in the shit of it in a lot of ways.

[C]

Watching like having Angel's name be scraped. Like having Rue. Let's not use passive voice. Rue had to scrape Angel's name off of the locker and then slap the tape on there and just write Kitty and, like, here comes another girl for the meat grinder to watch her. And then like to have her, like, she's from Kansas, right? Kitty from Kansas. She likes to dance. And just like, her very, like, small, little girl voice her, like, do you have any more ketamine to sort of, like, numb this whole situation? For me, like, similar to the one episode angel arc, I thought this was, you know, obviously deeply disturbing. Watching those, like, absolute Chad Brads, like, you know, gang rape her essentially, like, that was horrifying. And this. But this was, like, I thought a really well seated, like, the way we check in with her throughout the episode. I thought that was really well done.

[D]

I want to give the show a lot of credit because I feel like whenever you have a break, a long break between seasons or a revival of a show of any kind of. There's always this tension, right? Of, like, you want to honor your original characters, you want to bring them along, you want to bring them up, but you have to introduce something new. And I think this show, both with angel, with Kitty, as you said, also with Rosalia's character, with Magic, like, these are interesting new people to add to this world, and they're not given a ton of screen time, but it's very impactful, very well framed. You get these complete arcs within a single episode. I think that part of the storytelling is actually very well done.

[C]

Something that we were really hoping to figure out before we recorded was what song Magic was whistling menacingly at RU when she exited the bathroom. And we believe it is La Rumba del Perdon, which is a Rosalia song. So Rosalia was whistling her own song as she exited the ball.

[D]

Incredible. And she, as a performer, I have to say, seems like she's having a great time.

[C]

Excellent whistling, Excellent whistling. Excellent menacing whistling from Rosalia.

[D]

And to check back on some Prestige lore, perhaps Joe in the Rue versus Magic fight that's happening now. Is this a snitch versus a rat? Is this a rat versus Snake? What is happening here?

[C]

Well, thank you. That's a Poker Face callback. Thank you so much. Well, we got a hood rat entered. Well, that's for sure entered the lexicon here.

[D]

At minimum, Magic is ratting out Rue, who is a snitch. Who is a snitch, but is a snitch. A snake is a snake. A mole is a Snitch, A mole? I don't know.

[C]

Were you thinking about the departed? The departed? When Alamo claimed he smelled that always.

[D]

Well, I was also thinking in this episode, this did feel like, in a lot of ways. And I think with Ru looking at the monitors with her scraping Angel's name off the locker, we have shifted from the first half of Goodfellas to the second half of Goodfellas.

[C]

I literally wrote when. When she said. And that's how I became a snitch. I wrote Goodfellas in parentheses.

[D]

Let's just call it out.

[C]

Let's just call it what it is. Absolutely. Um, and then I think this confirmed, like, Angel's tragic disappearance, I think confirms that probably she was like, they removed her organs. I think that's what people think happens when, you know, those girls go in there that, like, they're still making Alamo

[D]

some money or was trafficked or something. She was disappeared.

[C]

Yeah, but I think based on context clues, I would say organ. Like, because I thought you were gonna

[D]

say based on my own firsthand experience. Jo, what have you been doing?

[C]

No, but, like, they're already kind of being sex trafficked in the club, are they not?

[D]

I think there's always levels. There is, you know.

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[C]

All right, let's talk about the poker scene. So we've got Bishop and Rue and Marshawn Lynch, AKA G. Yeah. And Alamo Mo.

[D]

Marshawn lynch is so funny on this show. He's always a delight, but particularly on

[C]

this show playing poker. I thought that was a really fun scene.

[D]

I loved it.

[C]

Adding the poker, the tension of the poker hand especially I would say Bishop feeling so certain that he had the winning hand. He's like, are we going to want to show us that turn? How about the river? Like, let's. I call, I check. Like all this other stuff. He's like, let's keep this game going. Let's not forget we're playing a poker hand because I've got a really good hand.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Ru had a better hand.

[D]

It's very 3po and Han like 3720 to 1. Never tell me the odds. You know, that is kind of what's happening here.

[C]

And like on the on the very eve of May 4th, raw phony.

[D]

We tried to honor ourselves and our histories. But I think like, yeah, I love for any game within a game in a scene like this is really wonderful. I think the heightening tension and the idea that the old like the side road that deflates all that tension is that it hasn't even occurred to Alamo that Rue would be a snitch. It's just occurred to him that she's an addict and that maybe she slipped on the job in this other way that could potentially be destructive to him. I love that deflation. I love, you know, the kind of gradual reveal of perspective play on, like, who has what hand there and, like, who. Who's actually winning and who is actually in control. Yeah, I just think it's super well done.

[C]

I thought it was really well done. There are a lot of theories flying around about there being another informant inside the organization. Do you have any theories on that front?

[D]

Well, it's not Paladin Rip.

[C]

A lot of people think it might be Bishop, that Bishop might be an informant or an undercover DEA agent.

[D]

Yeah. He strikes me as very pragmatic, so I could see it in some track for that.

[C]

I would be most excited if it were Bishop because it would mean more screen time for Bishop. And we both agree who's a real standout.

[D]

One of the standouts, for sure. But I think we're gonna get more screen time regardless whether he is another informant or someone chasing down the informants. Right.

[C]

All right, let's go back to Cassie and Matty. Yeah. I really like the juxtaposition of Maddy crafting Cassie's look at the same time as Jules is making her painting. So it's like these two artists, you know, shaping something.

[D]

We get two of those with Cassie, too, because then later in the episode, we get Cassie and Kitty sort of juxtaposed in a similar editing way, Right?

[C]

Yes, absolutely.

[D]

And I think very interestingly, as Maddie tells Cassie, basically, like, do not sleep with this influencer guy, Brandon, because as soon as you do, you're basically, like, surrendering your power.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And then we see Katie, like, do a version of that exact thing in the now transactional part of her job. It's like, again, there's so many things as far as the construction episode, I really, really like.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And then I'm just, like, left wondering and grasping at so many other things.

[C]

You, like, want to take a. Like, a sanitizing shower?

[D]

I need, like, the Gattaca. Like, scrape all my skin flakes off, shower. Like, I want no trace of the person I was while I was watching this episode again.

[C]

We watched it. Yeah. Cassie. And what I like about this episode is I was so certain that Cassie was going to fuck that up. Like, she. You know, just, like, going to a second location with him. Like, I was like, she's gonna fuck this Up. She's pretended she's done coke before and then she clearly hasn't, and she's just like, woo. And like, all of that. But then she crushes it completely. She knocks the other girl out of rotation, and then when the camera shows up, she drops the at. She. She did it.

[D]

This Pomeranian's got a bite. You know, not just the yips, but is. Is there a worse place on earth, do you think, than this particular influencer party in which, like, everyone is attending in attendance, is jockeying for the attention of this guy with his, like, fucking gimbal walking around the party looking for two girls making out?

[C]

You don't have a gimbal. I'm not a gimbal guy. I'm sorry. At any parties. Okay?

[D]

Gimbal freezers.

[C]

The famed Mahoney influencer parties.

[D]

No, absolutely not.

[C]

Yeah. And the way he was, like, on high and they were sort of shot from below, sort of beseechingly looking up.

[D]

Do you think we can. You know, like, we can't let Brandon win. He has 20 million followers. I think we should implore the people to go to Instagram right now. Follow prestigetv Pod on Instagram. We got. We gotta get above Brandon. This guy sucks.

[C]

Yeah, this guy sucks, right?

[D]

Do you want him to outrank us? That would be. That'd be cruel and ridiculous.

[C]

Prestige TVPod.

[D]

Let's do it.

[C]

To go back to the beginning when Cassie is leaving Nate with her matching luggage.

[D]

Thrown off the.

[C]

Yeah, thrown off the balcony.

[D]

Over the railing.

[C]

Over the railing. The roller bag on the shag carpet. Great physical comedy. But Maddy rolling up to this, like, swooning Hans Zimmer. This, like, romantic. This is, like, the love of your life. Here's your knight in shining armor here to rescue you, Cassie. And then the, like, extremely sad cut to the little blonde girl and the little brunette girl across the street who are not there in the wide shot. And so I was like. I mean, obviously they're meant to represent, like, a young Cassie and a young Maddie, but, like, are we meant to think they weren't even actually there and it was just, like, literally their childhood selves across the street? I don't know. But they're not there in the wide shot, which I thought was interesting.

[D]

Well, it's a metaphor, Joe.

[C]

Like a toe or the scar again.

[D]

Toes, scar, toes, scars, children. It could be any of the above.

[C]

Maddie knocking again on the door like she did famously in season two. Did you. Did you enjoy it?

[D]

I enjoy all the callbacks. I enjoyed Maddie in driving gloves, scarf on her head, of course. Like she knows how to make an impression in every possible way.

[C]

Something that I raised to you before we started recording. Is that something that Cassie's like hyper blonde, tan. Let's like enhance all of the enhancements. The head to toe leopard. The pink of her apartment really invoked this figure from this famous Los Angeles figure from the 80s, which is Angelyne. Spelled A, N, G, E, L, Y. If you're not. If folks listening to this or watching this are not aware. She was this person who in the 80s, like sort of before Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian sort of became famous for being famous. She came to town, she. I believe she put herself up on all of these billboards around town and used to drive around town in a pink Corvette and just those things made her famous.

[D]

Yeah. Should I do that? As a recent LA transplant myself?

[C]

I thought you already did that.

[D]

I had not. Was I supposed to gimbals at your Mahoney function? I didn't know that was supposed to. Supposed to be. Before you move, I thought you get here first.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Scout out the locations, put up the billboards.

[C]

No, no, no. You got a billboard first.

[D]

Well, I. That up.

[C]

Yeah, you really did. Here's a quote from a th article about Angeline. Quote. Angeline had single handedly created and then inhabited a modern myth of la. The platinum blonde bombshell in the bright pink Corvette, forever circumnavigating the city, seeking to enchant by dint of her sheer superficial glamour. It had the aesthetic power and emotional resonance of a genuine performance art. Marina Abramovich by way of John Waters. Particularly as she kept on rambling around the city over the decades while she aged. So like this, all of this visual language for Cassie as she leaves the suburbs, comes to la, drives past the Cinerama Dome. Is anyone gonna tell her that they're not showing movies at the Cinerama Dome anymore? I don't know. I don't wanna be the one to break it to her. But like this sort of like girl comes to the big bad city a la Kitty. Everything is probably going to go terribly for her would be my guess. Is anything gonna go well for anyone this season?

[D]

Well, I mean that's kind of what the show is, unfortunately. But I do think there are installations, Right. And within the structure of this season there's kind of a tiered approach to versions of the same like selling yourself idea. Right. Like there's the people who are at the Silver Slipper who are in more desperate circumstances, kind of on the edge of being Angeled out into nothingness and never heard from again. A couple steps up, there's this, like, influencer culture of people like Cassie, who are so desperate.

[C]

Or Caitlin Matty's former client.

[D]

Exactly. Desperate to grab and hold attention and are doing, like, whatever they have to do to do that. And then a step above that, there's like, the LA Knights and the kind of, like the actual Hollywood apparatus. And you're starting to see, like, for some people, those lines are porous enough because they get famous enough to kind of, like, jump into the next tier of selling yourself effectively. But if you're already at the bottom or you're close enough to it, like, you can get kicked out the side door really, really fast.

[C]

Yeah, I'll be interested to see which direction this all goes. Cassie landing on LA Knights before the season is over. Do you think that's possible?

[D]

Seems likely.

[C]

Um, and then we were discussing this idea before we started recording. Could the finale or maybe the penultimate just be an episode of LA Knights written by Lexi herself? What do you think?

[D]

I want that to be the case.

[C]

Is this fucking nighttime soap about us?

[D]

It's about us starring Cassie.

[C]

You didn't like the play stuff from season two?

[D]

That's why I won another crack at it.

[C]

Okay, I really liked it, so I would love to see it.

[D]

But here's the difference. Like, I am somewhat repelled by theater kid energy. No present company excluded.

[C]

Sure, tough, but tough for me.

[D]

But TV person energy clearly has a kind of a peel and hold for me. So, yeah, the idea of doing the TV pastiche, I think, would be much more interesting.

[C]

Let me just say there are, as you say, levels to these things.

[D]

There are.

[C]

There are porous gradations of theater kid energy. And I just want to say for myself, I'm not the kind of theater kid who would, like, break out into Rent at a party or something like that. There are levels to these things, and that's just not.

[D]

I think if the. If the two part is this play about us had been more people spontaneously breaking out into Rent, it might have been an improvement. Like, it was. It was somehow more theater kid than that.

[C]

Right? You were like, gimme Glee or Gimme Death.

[D]

Okay? The only time I've ever thought it.

[C]

Heist, heist, heist. We get a heist, but not like this, man. I didn't want it to be the Nazis. Not the Nazis. I thought it was going to be Cool Girl crime.

[D]

You should have specified that monkey's paw really killing you in this moment.

[C]

This is what I wanted we got the safe in. In Big Eddie's office got broken into. There's still another safe out there ready to be broken into. Faye and her Nazi boyfriend and his Chuckle Fuck brother cousins. I don't know. They all seem inbred and related in Obama masks. Come and rob the strip club. Dare to faze telltale lips. You know, get them caught in. Not 4K, I would say, but on the surveillance camera.

[D]

You don't need 4k when you have the most recogn lips in greater Los Angeles.

[C]

I thought that was a great reveal. I was like, what are we gonna. Like, what are we gonna see on this grainy footage? And then it's just like, the lips, they're. They're unavoidable. How do you feel about Rue? I mean, like, Bishop could have identified her too. He met her as well. But, like, how do you feel about Rue? About Rue just, like, giving it up?

[D]

I mean, she was held at gunpoint like there was a gun to her head. I think all bets are off at this point.

[C]

Giving up Faye, though.

[D]

I mean, she was the driver. She was an accomplice in this whole thing. I know they have a history. I know they've been friends for a long time. I certainly don't want anything to happen to Faye, but, I mean, I think things have changed.

[C]

Tough, tough, very tough. I want to shout out, so Big Eddie, who may not. I mean, he's not dead dead by the end of this episode, but Bishop

[D]

is not very concerned about keeping him alive.

[C]

Seemed very close.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I felt like we heard air come out. Like, I was like, let's take him to the pit. They got to fix this. But Kadeem Hardison, who's playing Baguette, as I mentioned in a previous episode, famous for playing the character Dwayne Wayne on Different World, famously had on that show a pair of glasses where the shades part sort of, like, flipped up. That was, like, his signature move. So they had him do it in this episode before they gut shot him.

[D]

So do you remember what was the line or the moment? I remember he flipped them, but I can't remember what it was in response to.

[C]

I don't know. But I was just like, there he is. Dwayne Wayne himself. Here he is.

[D]

This whole setup, though, this is kind of what, like, I was so energized by and then somewhat frustrated by was the setup of ruin, magic, and Big Eddie in the room with the ringing phone from Mom. I was loving everything that was happening. And so then when we get to, like, oh, what if we Stack a clusterfuck on top of this shit show by having the robbery happen at the same time. I kind of just wanted to spend another couple minutes to like, you don't have to play that scene out to its ultimate conclusion and like out anybody, but let us sit in the tension for a little longer.

[C]

Did you think he was gonna put it on speaker?

[D]

I really did.

[C]

Yeah, me too.

[D]

I think the great tension creating devices that they've instilled at this point, the fact that anytime mom calls, like, if you throw it on speaker, it could be a huge problem. Also, anytime anyone takes, does a line of coke, there's like the implication in the moment of like, oh, is this also gonna have fentanyl in it? Is this also, is this person gonna O D? Is this, you know, this other woman that Cassie is competing with just gonna drop dead right there on the bed? Or is Cassie gonna drop dead because, you know, like, it happened to anybody at any time. Like, there is a ticking time bomb with all of the drugs in the show.

[C]

And Brandon, like, say, like calling it out and saying, like, do you know where this came from? I don't want to die. And so then I was like worried about everyone, that scene, and even Caitlyn, the other influencer, when she was just like coughing and then vomited. But I was like, is she about to like, straight up, is that what the gimbal's going to catch? Murder? I did want to go back to the beginning of this episode because it really rests on Zendaya holding down the whole thing, which, you know, because the first I didn't, I didn't put a timer on it. But like many minutes at the beginning of the episode is just ruined that interrogation scene. And she is, like, funny when she does her Laurie impersonation, all that sort of stuff like that. And then, and then there's a part where she knows she's caught.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And she looks so young all of a sudden. And just I think, I think, as we've mentioned before, I think Zendaya is extraordinary on this show. But I think the range of rue, the like charming rue, and then like, so watching her both in that moment and then later when she's watching what's happening to Kitty, like thinking, contrasting that with the cavalier gun dealer sort of shtick that she was doing in the previous episode is just sort of like the fuck around and the find out. And here we are, episode four of an eight episode season. We're in the find out. So how far does this find out take us? Where do we go from here.

[D]

I especially love, you know, later in the episode, you almost get the inverse of the interrogation Rue transformation, where when she's first being pressed about the phone and kind of, like, where she's been and what she's been up to. And, like, magic is putting her on the spot as far as, like, trying to actually show some concern for Kitty and wonder why is it that she's here. She's, like, so caught off guard and so nervous and so anxious and kind of like fumbling and mumbling her way through as soon as she gets the call from the dea, that's like, magic is onto you. It is you or her. You have to sell her out right now or else everything's gonna go south. She turns into a totally different person. Hoodratt Dre. That's when the hood rats come out.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

And it's like, I love that Zendaya can just flip that in either of those moments in any possible direction because it just unlocks so much of the story as far as, like, where you can take things emotionally.

[C]

Anything we didn't hit that you wanna make sure we hit.

[D]

I do have a couple things. Joe, as a green apple, advocate yourself, how did you feel about Big Eddie joining your ranks?

[C]

I was really happy to have him.

[D]

I mean, I just wanted to make

[C]

sure you saw that I had a green apple earlier.

[D]

You literally did as we were watching.

[C]

I felt great about it. Welcome.

[D]

Do you think that's the last apple we're gonna get in our, I'm sure, twisted and extended biblical metaphor?

[C]

Like, it's the second green apple moment of the season.

[D]

Wait, so what was the first one?

[C]

The apple on Rue's head. I know. Cause I took a photo of it and I sent it to Mallory Rubin and I said, welcome to Team Green, Zendaya.

[D]

So, yeah, just new people by the day. And, Joe, one other thing that I needed to clarify with you because this was news to me. I was not aware until recently that Faye, the character's last name is Valentine, a la Faye Valentine of Cowboy Bebop. Did you know this? And does this mean literally anything to you?

[C]

I mean, I know. I have watched all of Cowboy Bebop, so, like, I am aware both the live action and the animated John Cho. I support you in all your endeavors.

[D]

Maybe not that endeavor. Not his fault, even that endeavor.

[C]

Um, what does that mean to you?

[D]

It's complicated.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

I don't know how to feel about it because it's both an incredible honor, and I love. I love this Fae. I Don't see any similarity between these characters whatsoever. I don't know how it happened. But it's also like, it would be like if you named a character Indiana Jones. Like I don't know how you back that up. I don't know how you're supposed to be the second Indiana Jones.

[C]

Something I want to mention. I believe for the rest of the season we are going to be filming these episodes about Euphoria. On Sunday nights. We're gonna be here watching this, this totally normal show to watch at work with your colleagues and then hopping on to. To shoot these totally not unhinged over caffeinated episodes of a podcast. You. If in between the time that the episode drops, East coast time, 6pm Pacific and when we record, let's say 8:39 Pacific, something like that, you can email us.

[D]

Yeah, we would encourage it.

[C]

We will read them. We just got an email in. Do you want to hear it?

[D]

I would love to.

[C]

This is from our listener Mitch and he wrote to Joe and Maddie's number one boy. I've reached a point in euphoria where the plot is the only thing keeping me going. And that plot is Maddie's screen time. And once she enters our tv, I glean with joy Rob and the rest of us witnessing her greatness. If Rob has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Rob has 10 fans, then I am one of them. If Rob has only one fan, it's me. If Rob has no fans, then that means I am no longer on the earth. If the world is against Rob, then I am against the world. Xoxo. Maddie's number one boys number one fam, Mitch.

[D]

Holy shit.

[C]

Yeah. So Mitch loves you and he just wanted to let you know and I just wanted to let you know live. It's not live on camera.

[D]

I genuinely don't know what to do with this information, but I'm sorry. I'm honored. I'm flattered. I'm trying to absorb it. I mean, look, again, all due credit to Maddie. We, we all are following her plot lines in this way. She managed to make. There is a significant portion of this episode where the primary driver of plot is like we have. This is cinema.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So I don't know how. I don't know how she does it. I don't know how Sam Levinson does it. With all due credit. One thing I must say, it's incredible.

[C]

One thing I will say is that in that party sequence, which had many moments, but I would say, like Maddie having lost track of Cassie, like hunting in the crowd. That's when I really could have used some labyrinth music. I will say, like, I really was missing it especially, I think. And like. And Cassie up on the table sort of like beseechingly, sort of like reaching up. That could have used some labyrinth sort of grandiosity to it.

[D]

So many moments could. I think that's one of the ones where it's like textually just makes so much sense.

[C]

Zimmer's barely Zimmering in this episode.

[D]

It's definitely not Zimmer. It's definitely like a third string.

[C]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[D]

It's an underling. Zimmer.

[C]

Yeah. Zim Jr. Not great.

[D]

I'm very concerned.

[C]

Who should we thank? Who helped us in this episode here late at night?

[D]

We should thank Kai Grady.

[C]

Absolutely.

[D]

I don't know how we dragged him into this.

[C]

I don't know.

[D]

We should thank Dev Ronaldo also. I don't know how we drag Dev into this.

[C]

Absolutely. Jack Wilson.

[D]

Yes, of course.

[C]

Who is here? Chris Wallers.

[D]

Chris Wallers, yeah.

[C]

Just like the whole Sycamore crew here on a Sunday night to help us out.

[D]

Joe, thank you, thank you, thank you for all the caffeine you consume to get through the day.

[C]

That was a lot.

[D]

I don't know. Thank you to. We could just be done with the podcast, the dea.

[C]

Okay. Thank you to the dea. That's it for now. We'll be back with Widow's Bay with some other special projects that we have set for this month. And for every Sunday night, ill advisedly instant reactions to euphoria. We'll see you soon.

[E]

Bye.