‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 10: Seventh Circle of Hell

Summary

The Prestige TV Podcast

‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 10: “Seventh Circle of Hell”

Hosts: Joanna Robinson & Rob Mahoney
Date: March 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney break down Episode 10 of “The Pitt” Season 2—an hour they both describe as one of the show’s most harrowing. The discussion weaves through medical emergencies, interpersonal drama, character arcs, and behind-the-scenes insights, all with their signature blend of sharp critique and playful banter. Major topics include Dr. Robbie’s downward spiral, Ogilvy’s evolving complexity, high-tension medical moments, emotional family crises, and a deep dive into the show's realness versus TV dramatization.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Ramen in Bed and Food Faux Pas (01:18–03:40)

• Joanna opens with a lighthearted riff on the most offensive food to eat in bed.
• Rob admits, “I am a no food in bed person,” except in hotels (03:05), sparking debate on the worst possible edible offenders.
• They invite listener emails on the subject: “Dr. [e-mail] if folks want to nominate what the worst food to eat in bed is” (03:33).

Listener Engagement & Emails (03:40–07:27)

• Joanna and Rob field funny furry “diagnoses” for themselves—Joanna as a red panda, Rob as a llama.
• Joanna shares a story about her family seeing Dr. McKay on the Warner Brothers lot, underlining how quirky the “Pit” fan community has become.

Social Media & Fan Prescriptions (04:54–05:07)

• Promotion for podcast’s social presence and “TV prescription hotline” (05:07).

Dr. Robbie’s Fall from Grace (06:02–07:27; 12:23–19:51)

• Both hosts agree: this is the angriest they’ve ever been at Dr. Robbie. Despite past defense, his lack of empathy and hypocritical outbursts cross a line.
• Notable Quote:
  “We have a lot of time for Robbie…There’s a lot to like about this man, this character…and in his heart he seems like a good guy. Also: fuck you, man.” (07:02 – Rob)
• Robbie’s insincere apology and his advice to Samira are called out: “Apology not accepted, Dr. Robbie.” (07:19 – Joanna)

Dr. Robbie’s Mental Health and Potential Exit (15:09–18:13)

• The show’s subtle foreshadowing of Robbie’s mental state and the possibility of a suicide attempt or burnout.
• Speculation on whether Robbie will leave on a motorcycle trip, take time off, or—worst case—come to harm.
• Rob: “Can this show exist in any continuing form without Robbie as a damaged character? Like, a mentally healthy version of Dr. Robbie—who is that guy?” (17:54)
• Noah Wylie’s ambiguous press comments fan the flames of uncertainty.

Medical Realism: Robbie, Giovanni, and Supervision (19:45–22:01)

• Discussion about responsibility in the Roxy/Javati case and how the show portrays medical students with far more autonomy than is realistic.
• Rob: “Student doctors are never burdened with this much responsibility…the real issue should lie with the supervising doctors.”

Listeners on Ogilvy’s Neurodivergence and Character Portrayal (09:58–13:22)

• An insightful listener email challenges the reading of Ogilvy as autistic, suggesting his behavior stems from “gunner” status and unchecked rudeness.
• Lucas Iverson (Ogilvy actor) on being directed to play a bigger “asshole,” not with explicit neurodivergent traits (10:04–11:29).
• Rob: “Can’t he be…the kind of gunner who’s been encouraged to be a know-it-all his whole life, who also might display some aspects of neurodivergence?” (12:23)
• Joanna admits, “I regret to inform you that I’m a little up on Ogilvy in this episode.” (13:22)

Patient Cases & Emotional Tension

Furry and Leg Trauma Saga (13:29–14:27; 40:27–41:42)

• Surgeons handle a severed leg; the “hulking vampire” of a doctor, Park “the Shark,” shines as a memorably oddball new face.
• Joanna: “Honestly, this absolute vampire, hulking vampire of a human who just like circles the body, holds up the limb, scares the bejesus out of everyone...” (40:28)

Dr. Elashimi’s Life-or-Death Slash Tracheotomy (41:24–43:21, 56:24–59:17)

• Dr. Elashimi must perform an emergency procedure: “The ease with which Dr. Elashimi’s scalpel cut through this kid’s trachea—it unsettles me on a visceral level.” (41:24–41:42 – Rob)
• Her ability is impressive, but both hosts raise ethical questions if she’s having undiagnosed absence seizures: “It is so horribly irresponsible for her to be practicing this kind of medicine at this point.” (56:49 – Joanna)

Samira’s Rough Shift & Panic Attack (22:06–26:14)

• Samira can no longer maintain composure, rebuffs patients, and struggles with her overbearing mother’s repeated emergency calls.
• Robbie’s reaction to Samira’s distress is cruel, contrary to his own panic attack in the past.
• The hosts agree the show’s buildup points to emotional collapse blending personal and professional storylines.

Workplace Tensions & Power Dynamics (26:20–32:19)

• Frank Langdon’s bid for redemption: shines in supporting Samira, Becca, and others, but faces awkward reintegration with Santos.
• Langdon’s critique of Santos—was it mentorship or biased nitpicking? Even Rob is torn: “I think he handles Santos’s like million eye rolls a minute…and gives her a lot of patience here” (32:19).
• Discussion of boundary-setting as a medical and emotional imperative, with threads running through numerous character arcs.

Ogilvy’s Surprising Dimensionality (35:43–39:40)

• Discovery: Ogilvy’s reading a battered copy of James Baldwin’s Notes of a Native Son.
• Joanna: “It's a used, very well worn pocketbook... he bought it from a brick and mortar. People aren't buying books anymore.”
• Rob jokes that it’s a little “LeBron, reading page one of a book for the cameras.”
• But Ogilvy surprises with newly revealed bedside manner, bonding with a patient over his dad issues.

Death, Family, and Grief: The Roxy/Family Arc (43:56–48:50)

• Cassie McKay’s presence with Roxy’s family, especially the conversation with the older son, is highlighted as a series high point in emotional subtlety.
• Discussion of boundaries—how to empathize deeply without breaking down, and how to support patients’ families through profound loss.

Mel and Becca’s Sibling Dynamic & Asexuality (52:05–55:52)

• Mel’s deposition storyline feels weak, existing mainly to heighten her sense of isolation as she faces her sister’s sex life revelations.
• Joanna: “If Mel is asexual…it means that when she's confronted with her sister's sex life…she can't relate, and it's complicated because she's also centered so much care around Becca.”
• Langdon’s insistence on respecting boundaries adds another layer: “That's your decision, you have to get into it. My guy loves HIPAA.” (55:52 – Rob)

Welcome, Duke—the New Medical Maverick (49:02–50:54)

• Jeff Kober appears as Robbie’s old friend Duke, injecting new energy into the ensemble.
• Speculation that Duke’s “clean” scoping is too good to be true; perhaps setting up another emotional blow to Robbie.

Running Jokes, Minor Characters & Pop Culture Sidetracks

• Various sidebars about furries, vampires, food in bed, and marathon metaphors—always with affection for listeners who share the hosts’ obsessions.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Dr. Robbie:

  • “There's a lot to like about this man...and in his heart, he seems like a good guy. Also: fuck you, man.” (07:02 – Rob)
  • “Apology not accepted, Dr. Robbie.” (07:20 – Joanna)

• On Ogilvy’s Baldwin Book:

  • “It's a used, very well worn pocketbook...he bought it from a brick and mortar.” (36:42 – Joanna)
  • “People aren't buying books anymore.” (36:47 – Joanna)
  • “This struck me as the very–are you familiar with LeBron James carrying around books? ...It’s always on page one…a little performative.” (38:52 – Rob)

• On Dr. Elashimi’s Trach:

  • “She is winning on her terms. Sim lab terms. We love it.” (43:41 – Rob)

• On Cassie with Roxy’s Son:

  • “Trying to tell him about what's going to be one of the worst days of his whole life and how it could be slightly less bad if he just goes in the room…Every part about that performance and that delivery and the writing there, I think, is really powerful.” (45:11–45:48 – Rob)

• On Mel & Becca:

  • “This whole plot line is a little mystifying, honestly. Trash. Sorry.” (52:40 – Rob & 52:41 – Joanna)
  • “If Mel is asexual...when she's confronted with her sister's sex life, she can't relate. And it's complicated because she's also centered so much care around Becca.” (53:06–54:22 – Joanna)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |----------------------------------|--------------| | Ramen in Bed, Food Jokes | 01:18–03:40 | | Furry Diagnoses, Email Bag | 03:40–07:27 | | Dr. Robbie Anger & Analysis | 06:02–07:27; 12:23–19:51 | | Dr. Robbie’s Mental Health/Ongoing State | 15:09–18:13 | | Ogilvy: Neurodivergence/Asshole Discourse | 09:58–13:22 | | Supervision & Realism in Medical Hierarchies | 19:45–22:01 | | Patient Trauma & Park the Shark | 40:27–41:42 | | Dr. Elashimi’s Critical Procedure| 41:24–43:21, 56:24–59:17 | | Samira’s Panic/Overbearing Mother| 22:06–26:14 | | Langdon/Santos Tension | 26:20–32:19 | | Ogilvy’s Pocketbook Epiphany | 35:43–39:40 | | Roxy’s Family Grief | 43:56–48:50 | | Mel & Becca, Asexuality, Sibling Drama | 52:05–55:52 | | Duke’s Arrival | 49:02–50:54 | | Diagnosis Spoiler Corner (Elashimi’s Health) | 56:24–59:17 |

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Final Thoughts

The episode is packed with raw emotion, sharp humor, and layered critiques of both television storytelling and the realities of emergency medicine. Joanna and Rob’s willingness to hold the characters—and the show—accountable keeps the analysis dynamic. Listener voices are integrated throughout, spotlighting the "Prestige TV Podcast" as a true community hub.

Joanna: “We’ll be back with definitely more Pit. And Rob promises you some Love Story coverage.” (61:39)
Rob: “That’s my personal guarantee. I have a lot to get off my chest. And again, a lot of Jackie O to talk about.” (61:45)

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Stay tuned, keep emailing, and keep the ramen in the kitchen.

Transcript

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[Joanna Robinson]

Hello. Welcome back to the Prestige TV Podcast Vid. I'm Joanna Robinson.

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm Rob Mahoney.

[Joanna Robinson]

We're in another new studio. Yet another, yet another. There's a mysterious bowl of green balls behind us that I'm really excited that are here.

[Rob Mahoney]

What if we replaced it with the CPR dummy with the tinsel strewn around its neck?

[Joanna Robinson]

Ooh, it's always 4th of July here. So I'm saying at the prestige TV podcast. Listen. More importantly, it's episode 10 is 4pm this episode contains what I think is the most horrifying thing we've ever witnessed on the pit.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh boy.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's not a finger degloving.

[Rob Mahoney]

No. That is quite bad though.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's on a slash trach on a child.

[Rob Mahoney]

Also not fun to watch it.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's the very concept of doctors Garcia and Santos eating ramen in bed. Rob Mahoney Robin Robin is like splashy at the best of times. Well, in bed you slurping noodles in. I mean whatever crazing. But like, but like they are slurping.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's really no doubt about it.

[Joanna Robinson]

But like listen, do you want splashes of broth all over your bed?

[Rob Mahoney]

Wouldn't be me. No, I think look heavily implied. Obviously. This is like Cup O Noodles microwave ramen, right?

[Joanna Robinson]

I guess so.

[Rob Mahoney]

This is instant ramen, not a bowl. You have like the convenient cup to contain the spice.

[Joanna Robinson]

I don't know that like Dr. Garcia is is settling for a cup of noodles. I feel like they're door dashing some nice ramen.

[Rob Mahoney]

I feel like the timing of that is very precarious. You know, like, they want instant results. Right. These are people who are not to be kept waiting. They have busy jobs. They have. They're trying to pack in as much social life as they can.

[Joanna Robinson]

Post questions, Coital sodium reload situation.

[Rob Mahoney]

If you're not overdosing with MSG in that moment, what are you doing?

[Joanna Robinson]

I had a really tough time with the idea of. Of splashy bowls of ramen in bed. I didn't. I didn't like it. Or. What do you. How do you feel like, what is the. What is the most offensive food that someone could tell you that they like to eat in bed?

[Rob Mahoney]

This is a great question. For one, I am a no food in bed person.

[Joanna Robinson]

Correct.

[Rob Mahoney]

Exception. Hotels.

[Joanna Robinson]

Oh, okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

You have a limited space. I don't always want to, like, go sit across the room at the table where I can't see the tv.

[Joanna Robinson]

Sure.

[Rob Mahoney]

So, you know, a hotel is like a different world in many respects, but basically any food in bed is kind of a no go as far as I'm concerned.

[Joanna Robinson]

The most offensive, something very, like, crumbly.

[Rob Mahoney]

Like a. I mean, crumbly, but it's crumbly worse than, like, to your point, greasy and splashy. Potentially stainy.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, Dr. [e-mail]. if folks want to nominate what the worst food to eat in bed is,

[Rob Mahoney]

I need to hear it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

I also thought, you know, when you're talking about the worst visual from this episode, it might be looking across the room and seeing someone holding a piece of your leg. But I guess ramen is worse.

[Joanna Robinson]

Ramen's way worse. What are you talking about? Ramen in bed? Oh, my gosh. DrSatBingsMail.com is our email, and I'm very proud of it. But I have a question for you. If we were to create the email now.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

Would you consider Whitaker's very own Two Little Pumpersmail.com?

[Rob Mahoney]

two Little Pumpers is very good. Yeah, I feel like that one might be taken again for reasons I don't even want to get to the bottom of.

[Joanna Robinson]

Let's not worry about it.

[Rob Mahoney]

So, Dr. Sidebanks, you know, it fits our vibe. It's chaste and appropriate for a workplace pit environment.

[Joanna Robinson]

My sister, my nephew are in town and they took the Warner Brothers tour on Monday, and I guess they're filming the pit finale or something, I don't know. But Dr. McKay, Dr. Sybangs herself drove by in a golf cart and waved at them.

[Rob Mahoney]

How are the bangs looking?

[Joanna Robinson]

I. They said Dr. McKay waved at us. I said, Dr. Cybangs herself, and they looked at me blankly. So they don't listen to this podcast, nor do they really watch the pit.

[Rob Mahoney]

I just think with the airflow of a golf cart being whisked around, can

[Joanna Robinson]

you imagine you and I both? The flow wind's our worst enemy. Okay, in addition to emailing us, how can folks get. Get more prestigev content from us if

[Rob Mahoney]

you really need more?

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, do you need more?

[Rob Mahoney]

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[Joanna Robinson]

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[Rob Mahoney]

And we will write those prescriptions to ourselves for insurance fraud reasons, but then give them to you to help you out.

[Joanna Robinson]

Javati. What a stickler. All right, Rahoney, did you like this episode of Television?

[Rob Mahoney]

I did, yeah. I mean, how could you not? Yet again, all of the pit marks. I don't know if it's just that we're watching this right now, and I'm also watching Love Story right now. But moms, I mean, they're really doing a number on us, aren't they?

[Joanna Robinson]

They really are.

[Rob Mahoney]

They're everywhere.

[Joanna Robinson]

Oh, wow. You're Jack. You're in your Jackie O era.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, that show is. Cannot get out of its Jackie O era, no matter what happens to Jackie. Oh.

[Joanna Robinson]

Frankly, Rob is catching up on Love Story because we're hoping to cover it on this feed. So we will be back, hopefully with some Love Story once Rob catches up. I'm excited.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's a guarantee.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, we will be back.

[Rob Mahoney]

But also, I would say my main takeaway from this episode. Joe, I'm curious to know if you feel similarly. I am ready to fight Dr. Robbie.

[Joanna Robinson]

This is Dr. Robbie's. Okay. Last week, I said it was a really good episode for Dr. Robbie. This is the angriest I've ever been at Dr. Robbie, just because I think Dr. Mel King has had kind of a tough season with just sort of like, my deposition. My deposition. I'm glad that it's done. She's moving into this storyline with her sister, but Mel has previously been my favorite, but I think Samira has really been my favorite this season. My weird emotional attachment to Dr. Langton aside, let's Just move that to the side. Samira is my favorite. For Robbie, I have a whole lot of thoughts on this. But for Robbie, who himself had a panic attack in the ER last season. Last season near 10 months ago and

[Rob Mahoney]

required a pep talk from Whitaker just to get up off the ground.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. He could have just sat with her and quietly talked to her about faith or whatever, but instead he jeered at her. Yes. I was so angry.

[Rob Mahoney]

We have a lot of time for Robbie. We defend him a lot on this pod. We sing his praises on this pod. There's a lot to like about this man, this character, and I think in his heart seems like a good guy also. Fuck you, man.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, absolutely. Fuck you.

[Rob Mahoney]

Just complete fuck you.

[Joanna Robinson]

And he apologizes, but not very well

[Rob Mahoney]

apologizes, but also like, quit. Quit feeling sorry for yourself.

[Joanna Robinson]

Apology not accepted, Dr. Robbie.

[Rob Mahoney]

Come on.

[Joanna Robinson]

Let me hit some emails really quickly before we get into the meat, the leg meat of this episode. Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

If we must.

[Joanna Robinson]

If we must. Okay. Furry diagnostics. I did ask our listeners to let us know what they thought our fursonas would be.

[Rob Mahoney]

Do you regret that decision?

[Joanna Robinson]

Um, actually, all of mine were quite complimentary. Thank you. So I'm not upset about it. Did. Did you see anything that. That struck your fancy of. Of the way in which our listeners diagnosed us?

[Rob Mahoney]

Um, I did appreciate. I was diagnosed multiple times as a potential otter. I'm open to it.

[Joanna Robinson]

I saw it. I also saw llama for you, which I quite liked.

[Rob Mahoney]

I would dig a llama.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, I got a lot of fox myself. And red panda came up a lot for me as well, which I don't. I mean, I love red panda.

[Rob Mahoney]

An incredible animal.

[Joanna Robinson]

Absolutely. Kathleen said. Joanna. Red Panda, Rob, llama. Both animals are wonderful, funny, and worthy of appreciation. Plus, drugs based on llama antibodies are being tested in medicine.

[Rob Mahoney]

Wow.

[Joanna Robinson]

Long necked and useful. Rob Mahoney.

[Rob Mahoney]

People do say that. What are llama antibodies being tested for? Like, what is their practical application?

[Joanna Robinson]

Dr. Cybigs at Gmail, if you know what llamas are being used, I just

[Rob Mahoney]

hope it's not an Avatar esque whale brain serum, like erectile dysfunction drug or whatever the fuck that was being used for.

[Joanna Robinson]

Is that what the.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't know. I kept misremembering avatar, but that's paid

[Joanna Robinson]

me to pay attention to what they were mining those whales for. Okay. We got an email from a listener whose name is also Joanna, but it's not me. I did not write this email. This is about Ogilvy. I wanted to. And this is a great episode to talk about absolutely Ogilvy, but. But something you and I had talked about off pod, but not really brought onto the mic was this question of is Ogilvy being presented to us as another, like, along with Becca and Mel, like, another example of neurodivergence and should we be looking at him through that lens? And we got this email from our listener Joanna, who said that she's a mom of low support needs, adult autistic daughter. And I've been wanting to email you, as I think you might need to consider reframe the idea that Ogilvy is on the autistic spectrum, just as Mel appears to be. Not that it permits his seemingly insensitive and oftentimes rude behavior, but it seems to explain his manner. Super smart, potentially not corrected for his behavior as a younger person. So he continues to voice these insensitive comments. And she also goes on to talk about the. The way in which men who are neurodivergent and women who are neurodivergent sort of present differently and are. Are socially, like, sort of trained to present differently and stuff like that. Which I thought was a really interesting email. Definitely something you and I had talked about off pod, but something I was sort of waiting for the actor himself to say. Hey, this is how I'm playing this character. And then there's this interview that he did on the official Pitt podcast from February 27th where he.

[Rob Mahoney]

This is Lucas Iverson you're talking about.

[Joanna Robinson]

This is Lucas Iverson, who plays Ogilvy. Thank you. He's talking about how he approaches the character and he says, john. John Wells. Quote, john Wells comes in and he's like, yeah, Lucas, you're looking too sympathetic. You really don't give a shit. You don't give a shit. And I was just like, really? Okay, I'll look meaner. But then a little break that we had when we were setting up another shot. I mustered my courage because I was so afraid to talk to him. And I went up and I was like, john, hey, am I being too much of an asshole? And John was like, you're not being nearly enough of an asshole. Your job is to be the biggest fucking asshole. And he gave me this whole breakdown about what a gunner is and what this gunner really is. And then Dr. Lizzie, who also was there, who's one of our incredible doctors that we have on set, real life emergency physician, she contributed with these stories about what gunners are and what they've been. And we probably spent eight or nine minutes, and I was just, like, soaking it up like a sponge, and we ended up going back and shooting a scene again. So it could be even worse. That sort of became my. Began my hate relationship with Ogilvy. I really hated that guy for a really long time. He is somebody who I think represents a kind of ideology that is kind of prominent in today's world, which is. I believe you could summarize him by saying he believes that people are largely directly responsible for the state of their lives. He's so certain of it, even though it's really flimsy. And over the course of the shift, it chips away, and he slowly learns that that worldview is not exactly compatible with reality. So I don't think he's been given the note to play Ogilvy anywhere on the spectrum.

[Rob Mahoney]

Perhaps not. Or maybe isn't talking about it yet.

[Joanna Robinson]

Maybe not talking about it yet. I've seen this comment a lot like you and I were talking about it off pod. This listener wrote in about it. I've seen people sort of all over, like, Reddit and various comments saying, like, hey, is Ogilvy like a neurodivergent character? Um, and I. I'll be curious to see if he ever says that that's how he's playing it. But there is this. I have also seen comments from people saying who have worked in hospitals who are like, actually, Ogilvy is the only accurate med student. Everyone is so nice and kind in the Pit, and he's an accurate representative of, like, what a lot of med students are.

[Rob Mahoney]

The realistic. The pit is just like eight Ogilvies. Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

Horrifying. So I, like, I'll be. I'll be curious to track it, but I just. I thought that was worth raising because I've seen it a lot, and I, like, I hesitate to sort of diagnose someone who has not, you know, been diagnosed inside of the world of the. Of the Pit. So any other thoughts you have on that?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think where I am with Ogilvy is like, why are these things mutually exclusive? Can't he be, per email or Joanna's description, the kind of gunner who's been encouraged to be a know it all his whole life, who also might display some aspects of neurodivergence and the way those things are kind of colliding, whether it's intentional in the performance or not, I do think is there in the writing of the character. And I think where every. All the other characters in the pit are having a hard time with Ogilvy, the other doctors who are working alongside him is in trying to sand down these kind of sharper edges in terms of his comportment with patience. And that's one of those areas where it really doesn't matter what the cause is. Right. Whether you are a purposeful asshole or merely careless and oblivious or not picking up on the appropriate cues. Like, these are people coming into the edge in a very vulnerable place. And, like, you have to receive them in that spirit, no matter what's going on in your brain, and that's what's going on in your body. And everyone in the Pit is dealing with something different. And Ogilvy may be in that mix, or he may be dealing with something we haven't quite seen before, but he's got to sort his shit out.

[Joanna Robinson]

I regret to inform you.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yep.

[Joanna Robinson]

That I'm a little up on Ogilvy in this episode and we can talk about it.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't think he's been more relatable than being handed a disembodied leg and the look of just like, Jesus Christ, can this day please stop.

[Joanna Robinson]

We got several emails from listeners who wanted to let me know that there was a Bay Area connection to the water slide accident. There was an incident, waterworks in Concord, California, where a bunch of, I think it was, like, teenagers in the 90s all tried to pile onto a water slide to see if they could, like, go down together, whatever, and it collapsed. So something like that. And then we got a. We got an email from a listener from Minneapolis about the sort of potential ICE storyline if it has not deployed yet. And Stacy said, as a Minneapolis resident, we have seen well documented local news reports regarding the presence of ice entering restricted areas of hospitals and detaining patients without proper judicial warrants. I could see this being part of the, quote, ICE storyline on the Pit. So it's possible that we haven't even seen what they have in mind for something like this.

[Rob Mahoney]

I could see that being possible. Also, the Pit is filmed in a way where it could be somewhat responsive in real time if they chose to. At least in one of.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's still filming.

[Rob Mahoney]

Right. One of the later episodes of the season, potentially. Also, it could be a season three thing. I guess we'll find out.

[Joanna Robinson]

It could. Okay. This is something we had touched on last week, but a lot of our listeners are like, hey, I wish you had spent more time on this. Which is. And again, we're about to talk about how angry we are at Dr. Robbie, but Dr. Robbie, suicide watch, which is, you know, something that we saw pop up a bit in last week's episode. The way that he was talking to like Whitaker about, hey, take over my place and the way that he was talking to Abbott and that scene that we really liked between robbing Abbott where Abbott's like, hey man, if it gets dark, you know, you call me.

[Rob Mahoney]

Did not agree to call him. Just kind of smiled creepily and walked off.

[Joanna Robinson]

Here's my question. After this 10 o' clock hour where both like Dr. El Hashimi and Dana are like, hey, man, what's your damage? Yeah, it's 4:00 clock in the afternoon, or now it's 5:00 clock in the afternoon. What might happen the next five episodes other than him deciding, like, no one can take care of the Ed except as well as he can.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's a healthy impulse, not a great life lesson.

[Joanna Robinson]

Like, to pull him back from any kind of brink. Like what? You know, is this something that you think would be resolved at the end of the season or is this just gonna be an ongoing Dr. Robbie thing? Because in season one, he ends up the season on top of the roof, you know, that Dr. Abbott basically talks him down from. So is this just gonna be like Dr. Robbie's ongoing state? But I guess my main question, and perhaps inspired by the fact that Duke has entered the building.

[Rob Mahoney]

He has.

[Joanna Robinson]

And is Robbie going on this motorcycle trip?

[Rob Mahoney]

It's a great question. I. I can see from a TV perspective it would be very tempting to have the dangling, like Robbie is off into the wind. Who knows what is going to happen at the end of the season. And it leaves you a lot of flexibility in terms of how you set up season three to not be quite so sure what state he's going to come back in, I kind of think he's just not gonna go.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And frankly, Duke, in addition to everyone else raising the idea like, hey, man, driving 12 or work. Driving all night after a 12 hour shift is a distinctly horrible idea that no one, including I, would ever do.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And I think enough people are going to raise it where it's just going to become so conspicuous. How could he possibly do it? Not that he will check himself, but there has to be some kind of restraint here from somebody.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, I'll be very curious. I mean, it would be interesting. Let's see, like a season of the Pit without. Not like Dr. Robbie on his trip.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

Noah Wylie, not the lead actor on the Pit in season three, but maybe like doing much more behind the scenes work or something like that. Taking a break from being like the guy all the time on a show that's kind of Relentless. And then, oh, I don't know. Dr. Abbott is leading the shift next season. Right there.

[Rob Mahoney]

An Abbott Alashimi like, duo leading the ed. I could see it. Also, this is an extra textual thing and so if you don't like that stuff, like, jump ahead 15 seconds. I feel like leading into this season, during some of the press touring coverage with the, with the cast, Noah Wylie had some like, weirdly cryptic comments about, like, I'm gonna miss this. I'm like, some things that, like, if you took them in just the right way, could imply that maybe that character will not be back in the near future. I just don't know what this show is without him. For as much as we love Abbott, I think there is like a little bit of a, there's like a backup quarterback thing happening there where he comes in, he gets to be awesome in limited deployment.

[Joanna Robinson]

Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

But like, this is a Dr. Robbie show.

[Joanna Robinson]

I agree. I don't really want a third season without him, but I was curious if that Pitt would want to take that swing or if Noah Wiley might want to take a nap. I don't know.

[Rob Mahoney]

I would love that for him. I also think there's the question of not only could this show exist in a season three without Robbie as a full time character, but can it exist in any continuing form without Robbie as a damaged character?

[Joanna Robinson]

Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

Like a mentally healthy version of Dr. Robbie. Who is that guy? And what do we want it? Do we want it? I honestly don't know.

[Joanna Robinson]

I was wondering if, like, at the end of the season, if he instead of getting on the motorcycle, like walks into the therapist's office, like, that's how Dr. Ravi ends the season. Maybe. I also had another idea for the finale. What if, like, so what time are we going to finish this shift? Nine o', clock, right?

[Rob Mahoney]

I believe so.

[Joanna Robinson]

Cassie has a museum date, so hopefully she makes that. But like, what if some of the characters are watching the fireworks together, like on the roof of the pit or something like that?

[Rob Mahoney]

That would be very sweet. It would be a nice way to reclaim the roof. As for something other than potential suicide would be nice.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, let's talk a little bit more about this tough episode for one Dr. Michael Rabinovich. So we also got some listener feedback about the Whitaker Robbie interaction last week. You, you had underlined this idea that Robbie was crossing some boundaries when it came to, like, his opinions on Whitaker's life. But I, I, our listeners had like an even stronger reaction to that where they were just like, this is weird and out of control and especially Ironic for Robbie to be talking about, hey, create some boundaries. And inside this episode, we get Dana talking to Langdon about boundaries. We get McKay talking to Javati about boundaries. These sort of like emotional walls that you have to put up in order to be great at your job, you know, and perhaps this is part of why Robbie struggles so much, is that he doesn't have these solid boundaries, these solid walls.

[Rob Mahoney]

But is there anything you're telling me his weaknesses, that he cares too much?

[Joanna Robinson]

Listen, I put it on job application, but I'm just curious, like, is there anything else you want to say about that, that particular Whitaker Robbie reaction last week or anything about this episode?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think there is a version of the Whitaker Robbie relationship where that kind of advice would feel a little more well founded.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

But given who they are to each other, even though they have this like, workplace bond, it just felt like a such a clear overstep. And you're right, the context of it, of like, of all people, Dr. Rabi's just not in a position to give this advice. So this is kind of an awkward position for him across the ED right now of he is blowing up at people left and right. He is in such an unhealthy place himself that it's like, yeah, you can swoop into an ER and tell them exactly what they need to do from a medicinal standpoint to treat a patient. Outside of that, my guy, I don't know that you need to be telling anyone else how to live their life.

[Joanna Robinson]

And who is he deciding to intervene for? And who is he deciding not to intervene? Like, Dan is like, hey, man, maybe you should talk to Javati and her mom and Dr. Shamsi about, like, how they feel. How appropriate is this dressing down? We did get a lot of listener feedback about that Giovanni case last week where a lot of our listeners and I saw this sort of around where people are saying, Victoria is still a student doctor.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yep.

[Joanna Robinson]

And Whitaker was the supervising doctor on that case. So if anyone should get most of the shit about what happened there, it should be Whitaker. Like, Victoria, like Giovanni should get some feedback, but it's not all on her. She's a student and she's still learning. And I thought that was really interesting, especially since we doubled down on someone just like smacking over the nose with a rolled up newspaper about what happened last week. So I thought that was really interesting to think I had. I hadn't really. Yeah, it's. It's so easy to think of Victoria as a doctor when, you know, she's Dr. J. But she's not Dr. Javati yet.

[Rob Mahoney]

She's so capable. I do think there's an interesting conversation to be had too. Joe, about this is one of the areas where the pit maybe oversteps relative to the medical reality, where we've had a lot of emailers tell us that student doctors are just never burdened with this much responsibility. They're never making this many active decisions in care as we see on the pit. And so when the characters are doing things that real life student doctors do not, should they be held accountable in a different way? Or is it just like, should we treat them as we do real life student doctors? Whereas you say it's really a supervisor issue. Honestly, it's not just Whitaker, but Robbie would be held accountable too. Dr. Elishimi as kind of an acting attending.

[Joanna Robinson]

First of all, we have to give Joy her flowers for her hero maneuver inside of this episode.

[Rob Mahoney]

Get in the chair.

[Joanna Robinson]

Get in the chair. Love, love, Joy. Sorry.

[Rob Mahoney]

Get in the fucking chair.

[Joanna Robinson]

Fucking chair. In the like swampy ass chairs scenario when, like everyone, they looked like plague victims, like they had leprosy and like reaching out to touch Samira. Okay. Also want to shout out the. The Princess. Princess and Dana, like, eye rolls. The like, oh, brother. That Princess gives to Joy when Samira snaps at her. Not a great look for Samira because Princess is also a fave of ours. Right? So she snaps at Princess, but then Dana giving like a similar one when Robbie explodes and she's like, she's in Christ. Like, what's going on here? I mean, I thought that this performance was really good from Supriya. And like, I thought that before she goes down, I thought it was interesting. Not from like a Dr. Abbott, Samira, like shipping perspective, but just sort of like that she was looking for Dr. Abbott to write a letter of Wreck and not Robbie before this happened. So, like, we saw the way that Robbie treated her last season, but we were sort of thinking at the beginning of the season, like, maybe he had just sort of started to respect her more and, you know, but like, this, this reinforces some of that sticky season one stuff that we didn't really like for sure.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, it's hard to. Hard to falter given the way this episode goes and the way he responds to her. And it's not just us feeling this way. And it's not. It's everyone else in the room, including Dr. Elashimi, who really brings it to Robbie in a sense of. And we talked about this earlier in the season of like, what does Dr. Alashimi need to do to win over viewers.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And she did two things in this episode. One, she cowboyed up slash Drake Baby slashed a child's trick to potentially save his life and defend characters that we care about and really stand up for them. I think the way she stands up for Mohan in this episode is, like, such an important affirmation of one. This is, like, not cool or okay. And, like, not everyone is just gonna turn a blind eye on what Robbie is doing, but also, like, bringing us as viewers into the same space as so many of the characters. That's, like. It's turned into the kind of workplace environment where Robbie is in a corner doing his stuff and everyone else, including us, is being like, what is this guy's deal? Why are you behaving this way?

[Joanna Robinson]

I thought it was really interesting because at the beginning of the season, you and I Both were like, Dr. Alhashimi is presenting as someone who is, like, very dry by the Bush, you know, Dr. AI, all this sort of stuff like that. Where is her empathy? And here she's lecturing Robbie on his lack of empathy. And Robbie has a real dickish response to, you know, she comes in kind of hot, but, like, he deserves that. He.

[Rob Mahoney]

And then he's like, he came in way too hot.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, exactly. I thought that was a really interesting dynamic.

[Rob Mahoney]

I also think setting up Samira before she has the episode, as you say, not only is she, like, talking about getting Abbott for her recommendation, but we see the inverse of what we've seen from her in previous episodes. Where previously she had time for an older patient who was expressing anxiety to sit with them and talk to them about their, you know, the lawn bowling they're doing and kind of like, walk through to the point that Alashimi was kind of recommending her for that track in the first place, based on her treatment of those patients. And right before her panic attack, she's like, hand waving away patients left and right who are just, like, having very reasonable concerns about not being seen in a timely manner because nobody is.

[Joanna Robinson]

She's like, I'm not your doctor.

[Rob Mahoney]

And they're not. They're not grabbing her aggressively in the way we've seen patients do in previous seasons with other doctors. Like, they're just wondering, like, when am I going to get in a room? Are you my mom, doctor?

[Joanna Robinson]

She's like, go back to your room. This woman's like, I'm not in a room. I'm in the hallway.

[Rob Mahoney]

Not my problem.

[Joanna Robinson]

Is the real villain of this episode, her mother who calls not just the Ed repeatedly. But on the emergency, like, red line,

[Rob Mahoney]

we're at like once, twice, three times. A trend with her mom where, like, something serious has to be happening with her mom at this point. Right. I think it is well intentioned, overbearing mom crying wolf all throughout the season so far. And then now, like, her mom actually had a heart attack or something. Or something happened with her boyfriend, husband. I can't remember what their relationship is. This one feels based on the recurrence of how many times her mom is calling and the way it's being raised. And I think most importantly, the easy way with which Samira is dismissing it. I feel like. I feel like she's about to get hoisted by her and Petard on that one, unfortunately.

[Joanna Robinson]

Give Samira a break.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's a tough day.

[Joanna Robinson]

Not you, the show. Okay. As angry as I was at Dr. Robbie in this episode, this is a real shine the Halo for Frank Langdon episode.

[Rob Mahoney]

True.

[Joanna Robinson]

Could not have been better set up as he was in this episode. First of all, imagine being Frank Langdon and you get passed over for Ogilvy.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's the toughest possible look for a tete.

[Joanna Robinson]

A tete on the rooftop under the helicopter. Like, we understand why Robbie did not want to repeat that helicopter roof scene with Langdon, but picking Ogilvy over him,

[Rob Mahoney]

I would say picking Ogilvy is like only one step above, like, hey, English teacher with the kidney stone, why don't you go up to the roof and you serve Dr. Langdon in this responsibility.

[Joanna Robinson]

He helps Samira, does not give Samira shit. Is very like, loving to Samira. And then of course, the Becca stuff, like smashing up the pillows into the O.J.

[Rob Mahoney]

he's doing it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Asking Mel how her deposition was. It must have been really stressful for you. How are you doing offering to pay for Louis funeral? And Dana's like, hey, man, it's okay. Calm down. You don't have to do that. And then on that front too, on

[Rob Mahoney]

the Louis stuff specifically, I think that's one area where the boundaries conversation that you raised earlier about how often that's coming up feels so different. Right? Because Javati and Roxy are not two people who have a long standing relationship. That's just Javati. In the same way that like McKay sees a mirror of herself and Roxy, Giovanni sees a mirror of herself, or at least an inverted one with her kids. And like her own relationship with her mom, she's getting into all that. Langdon does, if we're all being honest, owe a lot to Louis. Like, he exploited him as a patient. Even within this Season while trying to go through his own process, co opted Louis, like treatment time to get stuff off of his chest.

[Joanna Robinson]

You're still mad about. I'm.

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm not thrilled about it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Speedrunning this dance.

[Rob Mahoney]

Like, I just don't think he went about it exactly the right way. But, but like it makes sense to me that that is not a normal doctor patient relationship. Right. Like they have a long standing bond. But in addition to that, Langdon has a very particular recent history with Louis that I get why he would want to go a different extra mile than he might for anybody else. And to me that makes it a distinct case and one that I think does like, I think Langdon does deserve a lot of credit for his wanting treatment of Louis and putting him to rest properly in this episode. But also everything he does with Santos.

[Joanna Robinson]

Well, here's my question about that. Like, so the Santo stuff.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

What is your assessment of how he was treating her? Like, was he too much on her ass or was he genuinely trying to treat her as he would treat any other R2? I found I could not find that line, like to Dr. Al Hashimi and certainly Dr. Garcia. Oh yeah, it seemed like fine and normal.

[Rob Mahoney]

Don't you hate when your work situation ship sides with your work nemesis?

[Joanna Robinson]

Horrible. Garcia really on my shit list. But like, what I like about it is that I, I can't really take a side in that scenario because I really empathize with Trinity. I don't think there's anything Langdon could have done in terms of give her a note or give her feedback or instruct her in some way that she would have taken. Well, you know what I mean?

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, I think the only thing he could have done is the same thing he could have done with almost everybody he works with, which is find a way to contact that like write them a letter, call them before he comes back. Do not string it to them on your first day back in an emergency room. But that's also the show that we've got is 15 hours in an emergency room.

[Joanna Robinson]

I, I just don't. I'm like trying to figure out how I'm supposed to interpret the way that he was giving her notes. Because he was giving her a lot of notes.

[Rob Mahoney]

A lot.

[Joanna Robinson]

But so I was trying to use like Garcia and Alashimi as gauges of like, did this seem like too many notes or not? But I just don't think there was any way he was going to like do that the right way for Santos. And I am empathetic to Santos in her feelings of that because when she comes to talk to Garcia about it, you know, and she's like, I've been a pariah for the last 10 months. And Garcia again, physician, heal thyself.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

To Robbie and to Garcia. For Garcia to be like, well, maybe because you don't play well with others. I was like, from the number one with love and respect.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's true.

[Joanna Robinson]

In the. And I love a. But like, the number one in the.

[Rob Mahoney]

She's not wrong.

[Joanna Robinson]

She's maybe not entirely wrong, but it's possible also that Santos has been given some kind of cold shoulder, like a feedback loop. You know what I mean?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think all of this stuff can be true. Right? Like, she. I'm sure her co workers feel a certain way. Some of them, like Mel would feel a certain way about. Maybe Mel would have wanted to. Wanted to give Langdon a different kind of grace given the circumstances in their relationship. But then Santos does dig her own grave with a lot of people based on how she treats them.

[Joanna Robinson]

But I also don't know how much everyone knows about what happened with Langdon.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think at this point, people know

[Joanna Robinson]

there's at least everything.

[Rob Mahoney]

Maybe not everything, but there's at least enough whispering. Okay, Enough whispering. And his sudden reemergence without much professional repercussion, like, right into his old role, granted, with some retribution from Robbie as far as, like, what he's assigned to do. Yeah, but you don't just walk back into a job like that off of an extended leave without people having like, some sense of maybe sort of what

[Joanna Robinson]

you went through, I guess. I mean, I think they all know about rehab.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

And certainly, like, Whitaker seems to know about the drug taking when he steps in on Louis behalf and stuff like that. Interesting. I don't know.

[Rob Mahoney]

But he's also living with Santos, so he would know.

[Joanna Robinson]

He would know. Yeah. Of the many snide remarks that she throws back at him, one of them is about a pigtail catheter. And the only thing I could think of that as a reference to is that's the procedure that Mohan and Abbott did at the end of season one that was, like Abbott joked was like, too risky for him to do. So he had Samira do it. So I don't know exactly what significance that has for Santos and Langdon in that particular moment, but that was tough to watch. It was tough to watch because I really. I kind of am on everyone's side.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's true, you know.

[Joanna Robinson]

Anything else you want to say about that?

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, I mean, I've really bonded with Santos over these two seasons. And so this felt like maybe a kind of like a petulant moment for her where she has been so right in the past, including about some of what Langton was doing wrong.

[Joanna Robinson]

Absolutely.

[Rob Mahoney]

That here you can see her kind of wanting to be right, even if maybe she is, maybe she isn't. And I would love that from our listeners too. If you are someone in a medical professional and you can parse the subtext of the treatments that they're discussing as far as like, what is.

[Joanna Robinson]

Was he being nitpicky? Was he being too hard on her? Yeah, I don't have enough medical knowledge to know not a doctor.

[Rob Mahoney]

My read just based on performance and just based on what we're seeing in that scene is she is taking out their personal stuff on the treatment of this patient by not, you know, listening to a superior doctor in this, like, teaching capacity. The one moment that got me was like the. And again, it's like laying down. I feel like you're doing a lot right in this episode. I think he handles Santos's like million eye rolls a minute and barbs and counter treatments with a lot of grace and gives her a lot of patience here. And then the final like, I am happy to teach Dr. Santos. It's like that one got me a little bit. But up until that point, I have to say I, I think he handled that about as well as you could. Granted that he created this situation.

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[Rob Mahoney]

[e-mail] in the first place.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, I'm gonna bring you back to a section of my notes that I'm calling Ogilvy Rising. I regret to inform you I'm now forced to be slightly Team Ogilvy.

[Rob Mahoney]

You're pro.

[Joanna Robinson]

Here's why. Yeah, it's not that it's James Baldwin that he's reading. Like welcome to the chat Wokel V. You know what I mean?

[Rob Mahoney]

Like, does Ogilvy the character read James

[Joanna Robinson]

Baldwin Notes of a Native Son? Well, it adds dimensionality to him. But here's. Here's where the like Lover of physical media. By physical media, I mean books. Like bookseller.

[Rob Mahoney]

The original physical media.

[Joanna Robinson]

It's a used, very well worn pocketbook. Yeah, Like, I don't think this is like a treasured tome of his. I think he bought it like, used from a bookstore somewhere. And that's just cool shit in my. In my book because he's not reading it on Kindle and he didn't buy like a shiny new copy. He went and bought like a used pocketbook. And I just like, they're not even making pocketbooks anymore because people like the small format of paperbacks because people aren't reading them. So I just got like, really excited when I saw it.

[Rob Mahoney]

Dude reads one book. Doesn't even read it. Buys one book and you're like, sign me up.

[Joanna Robinson]

People aren't buying books anymore. He didn't buy it from Amazon. He bought it from a brick and mortar.

[Rob Mahoney]

Probably next episode, Ogilvy's gonna be in the break room with a cardigan and a matcha and reading his book, and you're just gonna be cooked.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay, so Ogilvy, let's talk about it. James Baldwin's Notes of Native Son. A great book. A non fiction book. How exciting for you. Rob, truly, you love nonfiction.

[Rob Mahoney]

I do love nonfiction.

[Joanna Robinson]

I mean, it's really possible that this was just a book that was in the lending library that exists on the set of the Pit and there' like, it wasn't like Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. It was Notes of a Native Son, but like classic Living out with a Pit Moment. Have Notes of the Native sun here, which is like James Bolton's series of essays where he writes about, like, blackness in America versus blackness in like, in Paris and. And critiquing a lot of other black media. Anyway, it is like, it is the most Living out with the Pit, like, title he could have put here. Here's my question for you. Is there a single title that he could have produced more Pocketbook or no?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

That you would have been like, oh, I'm T. Mogilby now. Like, is there like a.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's the question.

[Joanna Robinson]

Basketball book that you would have been like, this guy knows his shit.

[Rob Mahoney]

He doesn't know ball. I can just. I can just tell by looking at him.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, all right, all right.

[Rob Mahoney]

See, in terms of what felt realistic, I mean, maybe this is just playing to type, but like something dense in sci fi, I think would have tracked more than this in terms of character.

[Joanna Robinson]

You wouldn't have been excited about fiction, though. I'm talking about, you Rob.

[Rob Mahoney]

But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, that's what I would have expected. What would he have produced that would actually have been interesting? Honestly, the thing that, to me would have been funniest is like, a very earmarked copy of Infinite Jest. That would be the funniest possible outcome.

[Joanna Robinson]

You can't carry that out of your pocket, man.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes, look, it's a heavy. It's a heavy tote, but you can do it.

[Joanna Robinson]

There's a. Did you ever read Michael Crichton's book Travels, I think it's called? No. So it's. It's nonfiction essays, and some of it has to do with him traveling, but a lot of it has to do with his experience as a med student.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

So that's something that I would, like, expect an Ogilvy to be reading is Michael Crichton's travels. Drsaibanks gmail.com. if there is, like, one book that someone could produce and you're like, this person's all right, actually, I was wrong about them. I misjudged them.

[Rob Mahoney]

This struck me as the very. Are you. How familiar are you with LeBron James carrying around books? Zero tell me became a recurring meme in the NBA. LeBron would show up into the locker room with a book. He's always reading, like, the first page of the book. So it's like. It's very clear. Like, he's talking about it. He'll sing the praises. He'll talk about, like, this Malcolm X biography is, like, very, very, very, very, very important. Like, conspicuously, too many varies. And then, you know, the next time it's a new book. But did he read the book? Did he buy a new book? It's always on page one. I'm just saying this feels to me. I mean, performative. A little performative. But also I'm forced to reconcile with the other part of it, which is if we are interpreting Ogilvy as this kind of, like, career gunner, maybe he is the kind of person who thought, like, this day's gonna be easy and I'm gonna have so much downtime that I'm gonna be able to get in like a breezy James Baldwin read.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, I'll. I'll knock out an essay or two.

[Rob Mahoney]

No problem.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay. That being said, the book aside, he is bonding with this patient.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Joanna Robinson]

This is the most bedside manner that we've seen from Ogilvy with this patient who reminds him of his dad.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. The daddy issues are also. There's a lot happening I will say the most predictable outcome of this entire season was that dude doing the good versus. Well, correction. Like, you couldn't even place a bet that that was going to happen. It was off the board.

[Joanna Robinson]

Did I start to say it before he started to say it? Who's to say? I don't know.

[Rob Mahoney]

Do you do that in real life to people?

[Joanna Robinson]

No, I just cured in my head.

[Rob Mahoney]

You do. It's internal.

[Joanna Robinson]

If you say it, I will. In my head. It depends if I know. Yeah, if I know you really well, I might say I'm start baiting this

[Rob Mahoney]

and I'm gonna start throwing out goods. Just. Just see how long until you break

[Joanna Robinson]

maybe my new favorite character.

[Rob Mahoney]

Great.

[Joanna Robinson]

Honestly, this absolute vampire, hulking vampire of a human who just like circles the body, holds up the limb, scares the bejesus out of everyone. Robbie's a little amused. Whitaker looks like he's gonna piss himself. I loved this.

[Rob Mahoney]

This is a huge episode for Whitaker, almost peeing himself in basically every scene he's involved in. But yeah, great new introd introduction for park the shark. Like, how where's this guy been?

[Joanna Robinson]

I don't know, but I need more of him.

[Rob Mahoney]

Actually, I know where he's been. This is not the first time he's held a disembodied leg. That man is definitely a serial killer.

[Joanna Robinson]

Agree. That's a. That's a spin off. I want.

[Rob Mahoney]

I want. I would be down like a Dexter.

[Joanna Robinson]

A Dexter style. Like he kills bad people.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's the real pit. Night shift.

[Joanna Robinson]

In a medical way.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't know what in a medical way?

[Joanna Robinson]

In a precise surgical way.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think there were.

[Joanna Robinson]

As opposed to Dexter's slap dash. Well, he's a forensics guy.

[Rob Mahoney]

He is a forensics guy. There were a couple of moments in this episode that just reinforced for me, I am not about this life.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay?

[Rob Mahoney]

One of them was.

[Joanna Robinson]

It was the two little pumpers.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, the two little pumpers was not ideal, but the ease with which Dr. Elashimi's scalpel cut through this kid's trachea, again, it's just like, unsettles me on a visceral level. The other one was park the shark manipulating the foot of the disembodied leg.

[Joanna Robinson]

I loved it.

[Rob Mahoney]

And it's a great moment. It's like he's so matter of fact about all of it, as you would be if you were a surgeon who's done plenty of these replantations. Was that the official term? It's just another day at the office for him, but it is Horrifying for me to watch.

[Joanna Robinson]

I loved how I don't know who that actor is. I don't think I've seen him in anything, but I just, like, perfect casting. Truly physical embodiment of sharkitude. Just, like, really great.

[Rob Mahoney]

What do you think the listing was for that part?

[Joanna Robinson]

Scary, vampiric in nature. Like, you could put that guy in a cloak. And he's a vampire.

[Rob Mahoney]

And not just a vampire. He's, like, running the dents, you know, like, he's a leader of vampires.

[Joanna Robinson]

Definitely on the slash take front. Okay, this is like, a huge moment where Robbie does a little, like, show me what you got. Yeah, right. And she does it. He's never done it. Nope. She's never done it. Garcia comes in and is a. A bitch about it. Yes, again, truly do love bitches, but is a bitch about it. And then she's, you know, Dr. Al Hashimi stands her ground.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

She's like, maybe people will thank me for saving this kid's life. What did you think of that whole

[Rob Mahoney]

scenario, the look that Robbie gives her afterwards? I mean, I think that was his hottest moment in the pit. I think that was not. Not of him, but, like, he was in love.

[Joanna Robinson]

And then she came up and put her hand on his back later, and he had, like, a little reaction to it. And then she was like, hey, you're an unempathic asshole.

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And then.

[Rob Mahoney]

Then he lost the plot a little bit.

[Joanna Robinson]

I thought that was really good. I do want to come back to this in, like, diagnosis spoiler corner. But in terms of, like, if we were wondering about her fine motor skills. Yes. This is a lot of precision. So on the neurological front, this is like, her motor skills are intact, it seems to me.

[Rob Mahoney]

I also think, too, like, a huge win for her process and her approach, where, yes, she is doing, like, she's earning her stripes in the pit. Her yellow and black stripes here, an important moment. But she's also doing it not because she has done the surgery before, but because she did it in a simulated environment like the one that she is teaching the students with to open the seasons. So it's like she is winning on her terms.

[Joanna Robinson]

Sim lab terms.

[Rob Mahoney]

We love it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Do we?

[Rob Mahoney]

I kind of do.

[Joanna Robinson]

I love to win for her.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. I love to win for her, and I love that it was not just like, I'm gonna do exactly what Robbie does, and therefore, the viewers will love me. It's like she is becoming a distinct, fully formed character all her own.

[Joanna Robinson]

I'm gonna do something Robbie's never even done.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yep.

[Joanna Robinson]

Roxy, we're still. We're still here with. With Roxxxy. She's talking to her youngest son about being kind. Does a little, like, Taylor Swift, invisible string, like, moment. Well, what broke me, like, really broke me, was Cassie McKay going out to talk to her older son and talk about the regrets of not saying goodbye to his mom. And then there's also a long look that Cassie gives her as they're, like, upping the meds once again. Just, like, empathy pouring out from every angle from Cassie. And then, of course, we already talked about it, but, like, Victoria's reaction to all of it. How is. How is the Roxy storyline working for you in this episode?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, it continues to.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And correct me, we don't see Shane, her older son, actually go back in the room at any point. Right. So, like, maybe that's coming up next week. Maybe he. Maybe he never does it. Maybe he does always regret it. Yeah, but this is why you have Mikaya in the room the whole time. And so much of her role has been explaining, like, these are our options in terms of additional morphine or ketamine, or this is what your home life will look like, or just kind of patiently waiting there in the room as the family sorts stuff out.

[Joanna Robinson]

Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

And this is the payoff as you get her talking to a boy who's just, like, a little older than her son, trying to tell him about what's going to be one of the worst days of his whole life and how it could be, like, slightly less bad if he just goes in the room. And she. I just. Every part about that performance and that delivery in the writing there, I think, is really powerful. Like, again, you don't have to. Like, she's not going to make him go back. No one can make him go in the room. But he's. It's going to hang over him for the rest of his life if he does it. And it's so clear to her and it's so clear to us. And it's like, I don't know if I can handle it if he goes back in the room. Like, that's going to be such an emotional scene. But you hope for that character. He certainly does.

[Joanna Robinson]

Cassie's whole thing this episode, like, talking to Javati with empathy about her relationship with her mom, having boundaries, but the fact that having boundaries doesn't mean you can't have a very personal conversation totally with this patient's son, you know, outside the room, like, you can have that conversation, but is there a way to. To let that emotional Connection not overwhelm you. And then also the very empathetic look she gives to Javati when Shamsi comes down and chews her out. You know what I mean? Robbie and Dana are a little like awkward, you know, and whereas McKay's like, I saw that, that was horrible.

[Rob Mahoney]

And poor Javati who's like looking one way at Robbie and Dana looking the other way. And McKay who's like, yes, treating her with a lot of empathy, but also I don't want to participate in this conversation and just has to like turn around and run off on her own. Do you think McKay will ultimately be right about Dr. Shamsi? Like, do you think we will get a Javadi Shamsi conversation at some point that like is a bridge between them and not just her mom being the way she has been so far?

[Joanna Robinson]

Well, as, as we consider who is still gonna be here next season. Cause we don't know like when in the year it takes place or whatever. But Victoria has the opportunity to sort of like be there the longest, right? Cause she's still a med student, so she could be like, you know, a year one doctor next year and stuff like that. So like, I feel like that's a long game storyline for her to be still in the same hospital with her parents. I don't feel like it's something that's gonna be resolved or dug into in the next five episodes, but is something that's gonna sort of slow roll over the seasons would be my guess.

[Rob Mahoney]

And I think could make for a natural exit point, you know, for that character if that ever came to be. Of like, maybe it is just too much to be in the same hospital as literally both of your parents, not just your overbearing mom, but then even your dad who means well and is trying to like mend fences. But it's a lot for anybody. And I think the numbers game and the show can always fudge the numbers of like, there are only so many spots here. Ogilvy kind of wants one of them. But in this episode I think shows some maybe hesitation on whether he wants to be in the ED for the rest of his professional life.

[Joanna Robinson]

A slower paced ed, you know, I

[Rob Mahoney]

mean, this is a lot to throw at anybody.

[Joanna Robinson]

He's like, I have a lot of reading to get through.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes. And so like, which one of these medical students ultimately decides that they are ready for this?

[Joanna Robinson]

I think there's no world in which the Pitt decides to keep Ogilvy on the show and ditch Giovanni.

[Rob Mahoney]

It would be tough. I think it'd be tough in A bunch of different ways, including that we just have such an attachment to Victoria at this point. But that's a person as a character who needs to come to terms with what it means to work here, both with the proximity to her mom, but also the realities emotionally and in responsibility of what it means to be on that floor.

[Joanna Robinson]

Do you think it's almost Giovanni's birthday conversation that Princess and Perla etcetera, Were having earlier this season was there to remind us how old she is, probably of her youth, you know what I mean? Because, like, that's not a celebration we're gonna see. Because it's not happening today, so it's not happening this season. So, like, is there any other reason to bring it up other than just be like, hey, remember that this woman is quite young.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think it's a set up off season webisodes. You know, we're just gonna get the full. The full Dr. J party.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And then, yeah. Some social, exclusive native content of her giving her. Giving her own TV prescriptions. Unfortunately for us.

[Joanna Robinson]

Speaking of vampires in the ed, Jeff Kober has entered the building. Duke himself is here. As I mentioned earlier this season, if folks weren't here for that, I told Rob I was really excited when I found out Jeff Kober was playing Duke. This is a guy who played not one, but two roles on Buffy, Vampire Slayer, as well as being on China beach, in General Hospital and et cetera, et cetera. So was this everything you hoped for from Jeff Kober? How did you feel about.

[Rob Mahoney]

Was a delightful appearance. I'm already loving the banter with Robbie.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know, the scope came back clean on his. On his throat. That's great. That lungs got me real worried.

[Joanna Robinson]

There's no way he's gonna be okay. This felt like real Louis territory where it's just sort of like this guy's here. So, like, what will, you know if he gets like a terminal diagnosis or something like that? Like, what will that do to Robbie? I thought it was interesting. We got some pushback from listeners on my commentary last week about how there felt like there always needed to be a story that was excusing white people here. And some people wrote in with some examples. And thank you so much for that. I think, you know, Duke coming in and being like, yeah, I'm a lifelong smoker, I love alcohol. Yep, here's me. At the same time, he's Robbie's vip, so everyone's going to treat him like a prince anyway, so he doesn't need like a backstory to, like, you Know, for people to sort of, you know, Donnie and Whitaker and everyone to just sort of like, get him to breeze past everyone in chairs who's like, what the fuck is going on here? I thought this. The. The view down the, like, larynx. Is that what it was? Anyway, the. The scope view on the monitor was extremely cool. I thought it was very cool. Was it upsetting to you?

[Rob Mahoney]

I just don't like any internal scoping happening in general in terms of watching it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't know. There's.

[Joanna Robinson]

There's a. I like the movie trick where he was, like, putting it in, and the camera, like, moves away to the monitor, and then he comes back and he's sort of like sleight of hand magician, like, pulling it out. I thought that was all really cool.

[Rob Mahoney]

I do appreciate that part of it. Again, this is an area of practical, like, medical application where the pit is. It's so easy and so seamless that in any other show you might feel a hiccup, and you just don't.

[Joanna Robinson]

Before we get into our spoiler diagnosis territory, which I want to get to in a second, I do want to shout out. You. You mentioned, like, the moms in. In this episode, a lot of moms. Any mom. Any mom stuff in particular. You want to make sure that we.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think we've hit the most of it. I mean, we got. We got Victoria's mom. We got Samira's mom. I feel like there was. And Obviously the Roxy McKay stuff is kind of baked in there as well. Are there any other stray moms in here?

[Joanna Robinson]

Of our listeners who message us, and there were many to say how excited they were for us that there was a furry on the pit.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's true.

[Joanna Robinson]

The number one message I saw across all social media, all comments, all emails, was I had to pause and tell my husband. So shout out to the wives who I think are a huge prestige TV pit. Like, we got a few like, I had to tell my girlfriend. I had to tell my wife. But mostly we got. I had to pause and tell my husband why I was so excited there was a furry on this.

[Rob Mahoney]

Why I screamed on my couch.

[Joanna Robinson]

So thanks, wives. We appreciate you, truly.

[Rob Mahoney]

Thanks for anyone who was unreasonably excited as we were seeing the furry.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, anything else you want to talk about before we get to this slight spoiler territory?

[Rob Mahoney]

I do want to talk briefly about Becca and Mel Langdon, and also I want to loop in Mel's lawyer on this. First of all, this is something you don't want to hear from your Lawyer. It didn't go as badly as you think. Don't ever say that to me.

[Joanna Robinson]

Really.

[Rob Mahoney]

Dove also maybe lead with. And I mean, not even in this episode, but, like, this should have been conveyed to Mel weeks ago. You are not financially liable for anything that's about to happen here, and this will not ruin your career. Why, like, why was this brand new information? This whole plot line is a little mystifying, honestly.

[Joanna Robinson]

Trash. Sorry.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's not good.

[Joanna Robinson]

I love the pit. I love Dr. Mel King. This whole. And like, what it seems to seems like its entire existence is here, not just because this is a thing that doctors go through. Of course, probably not usually on the 4th of July, but this is a thing that doctors go through. But also to put Mel in a state of agitation for when she learns this information from Becca, that Becca has a sex life. Right. And something that we talked about.

[Rob Mahoney]

Becca has a sex life.

[Joanna Robinson]

Oh, they're getting at it.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, busy.

[Joanna Robinson]

But like, we talked about this quote from Taylor that Taylor Dearden, who plays Mel King, gave to you Us Weekly earlier this season where she said, quote, I think Mel is asexual. I don't think that's part of how Mel would think, especially at work. She's a hyper professional. End quote. That was in response to, like, does Mel King, like, want to get busy with Frank Langdon? And she's like, not really. Nor Boba Guy, for that matter. But that means that when she's confronted with her sister's sex life, she's like, oh, this. This. This person that I have centered a lot of my life around a has, like, kept this information for me, like, I don't know that she has a boyfriend, let alone that they're, like, having a lot of sex. And also, I can't really relate to her on this front if I'm like, if she's playing this character as asexual. And I just thought I. And. And it sort of drafts off of what we were talking last week with these moments of Becca being like, I'm not her. Your sister. I'm Becca. You know what I mean? This, like, Mel's care for her sister we've seen, you know, we've been viewing as like, this very, like, lovely thing that she's so support a sister who needs some extra care. But perhaps from Becca's point of view, it's. It's smothering. I don't know. What do you think?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think there are probably areas where it is and there's probably areas where it's welcome and there's Also, a lot of areas where Becca's probably oblivious to the level of, like, workaround and extra miling that Mel has to do to take care of her sister. And, like, all of that is in the sauce there. All of it is in the broth. I think the ramen broth. I hope it's a really well developed ramen broth at this point.

[Joanna Robinson]

Would you. Do you still eat cup of noodles? Is that a thing that you eat? Like a, like a top ramen or

[Rob Mahoney]

like a not straight cup of noodles,

[Joanna Robinson]

but you enhance it?

[Rob Mahoney]

Like shin ramen. Sure.

[Joanna Robinson]

Like, you make a jam.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, I would love a jammy egg. Like, green onions are widely available, easily accessible for everybody. You can judge.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Very simply.

[Joanna Robinson]

Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

I wonder if Becca is into ramen. Honestly, I could see, I could see going both ways.

[Joanna Robinson]

Well, she likes pasta a lot.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, clearly.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

But

[Joanna Robinson]

that was an end of last season where she's like, can we have.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't remember any pasta reference.

[Joanna Robinson]

They're, like, walking the street. She's like, can we watch this movie for a million. Can we watch Elf?

[Rob Mahoney]

I believe. Yeah, yeah. And, like, can we.

[Joanna Robinson]

Imposter.

[Rob Mahoney]

I, I, I believe it if you say it. I don't remember her association with pasta.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yes, she is not every slurped noodle. Sometimes a slurp noodle is just a slurp noodle.

[Rob Mahoney]

Sometimes it is. Okay, but again, we're getting way too close with the slurping and proximity to everything that's happening. I, I, I like that. In addition to all of that disclosure that we're talking about between Mel and Becca, as far as, like, what are, what do they talk about? Langdon makes it, like, very clear, in addition to bringing in copious juice options, like, I can't talk about this with Mel. That's your decision. You have to get into it.

[Joanna Robinson]

And my guy loves hipaa.

[Rob Mahoney]

He does. He does love. He's a real rule follower now.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know, I, the, the part of it that I appreciate is also the murkiness around being a caretaker for someone who has an active sex life. Right. It's like there's so many ways in which Becca is dependent on Mel, and it's like, you're knowing this about your sister. You're knowing this about someone who you look after. How does Mel square all those things in her head? And I think we get a pretty good glimpse of, like, the gymnastics she is trying to do, comprehending everything that her sister is telling her.

[Joanna Robinson]

I'm really curious how this is gonna play out.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Joanna Robinson]

All right. Last but not least, this is diagnosis spoiler corner. If you don't want to know anything that we know from medical professionals about what is potentially going on in the pit, now's the time to leave and we'll see you soon. Bye. Dr. Alhashimi, if she is indeed having absence seizures, what if she had had one while she was actively slashing a trach?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, you think that kid dies? No.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. So it is. As much as I want to root for this character, it is so horribly irresponsible for her to be practicing this kind of medicine at this point. This sort of ed, you never know when you're gonna have to slash a trach kind of medicine. Is something that someone in her condition, and I never like to tell people what they can't do. But is something in someone with her condition like that we've seen that she's being triggered over and over again into these sort of stare off into space absence seizures. That was, like, scary for me. And I don't like. It's so late in the season that no one seems to have, like, really noticed or commented on. Like, where is this going? I'm just like, so curious. Is this something where it's just Robbie's like, well, I can't, you know, is he gonna figure it out? Like, what, what, where to what end? You know?

[Rob Mahoney]

And is that a Season 2 concern, or is that something where she is continuing on the show going forward and it eventually, as these characters get to know her a little better? Like, isn't it weird that every three hours she stares off into space into middle distance, and then we have to kind of snap her back to reality? Like, it would be hard to notice on your first day. You're right. That it's terrifying. You're right. That it's clearly irresponsible. I'm not even sure if there's a form of practicing medicine. I'm sure there are forms in which it would be less irresponsible than this. Anything where you're not performing surgery.

[Joanna Robinson]

You know what I mean? Like, sort of you're diagnosing, you're doing this, you're doing that. But, like, you know, if it's hands on, I need like, to the second level skill, sort of like, whatever. I don't think she can do that anymore.

[Rob Mahoney]

But that feels like part of the arc this season, Right. If they're constructing, you're resistant to this character because she's kind of like the antithesis of a lot of what's going on in the pit. They slowly have, like, win her over with us or win us over with her and then eventually drop the bond that, like, actually she's doing this, like, gross. Grossly negligent thing for the sake of, like. I think what I'm eager about.

[Joanna Robinson]

Well, what I'm worried about is that. Does that just end with, like, Robbie was right all along, and this is. These are very poor hands to leave. Leave his department in. Is that the story I really want to be watching?

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't know. I don't know that I do want to be watching that story. But we're all headcanon at this point. Like, we are heavily theorizing not only on the diagnosis, but how it's going to be treated. If it does go that direction. I want to hear her explanation of it of, like, why she thinks and tries to justify that she should continue to practice in this way. Because I don't know how you would possibly talk yourself into it.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah, I mean, if there's empathy for her inside of the situation, like, if this actress, who I haven't seen in a ton of things, but people really admire this actress. Like, if she gets something really juicy where she gets to play, like, I have to give up this thing that I love to do because of this medical affliction that I have anyway, just. Just something to think about while we're slashing tricks here.

[Rob Mahoney]

Just slashing tricks left and right. That's also a situation, though, where, as far as that specific procedure, no one else in the room knew what to do. Right. Like, they exhausted their traditional treatment options. The. The child. It sounded like the child's body is, like, too small almost to do some particularly invasive methods. And so it was kind of like, who has any ideas at this point? Not to excuse Dr. Leshimi putting potentially all these patients in a vulnerable spot, but she does help them out in a pinch, for sure.

[Joanna Robinson]

I think she's been trying to not be the one wielding the scalpel all day. And then this was a moment where she felt pressed for it, but, like, I don't know.

[Rob Mahoney]

Do you think there is a rationale for someone like Dr. Elishimi where by working in a teaching hospital, she can direct the action more so than be involved in the action?

[Joanna Robinson]

Well, is this. I. Yeah. I don't know. Okay, let's. Let's tune in to find out as we go forward with the pit. Anything else you want to say before we go?

[Rob Mahoney]

I have a couple things. One, Robbie asked Dana to call in more doctors. Paging Dr. Shen, please, to the courtesy phone Dr. Ellis. I know she just got down for a Nap, but, like, Dr. Abbott come back? I mean, I think, are we gonna get more Abbott? I feel like that might be it this season. That would be tough. I also have one very small note, and it's for the woman who's been deputized to, like, be a runner for the medications and stuff, who last week told us that she runs marathons.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

If you are a person who runs marathons, you cannot be constantly saying, hydrate. This is not a sprint. It's a marathon. You can't do it. Like, I. I respect her commitment to the sports.

[Joanna Robinson]

How would you say. How would you say it in either basketball or tennis dorms?

[Rob Mahoney]

You just gotta invent a new metaphor. You gotta call it a long game. You gotta do something, you know, like, we're playing four quarters here, you know, like, there's a lot you can do.

[Joanna Robinson]

Right? This is a tournament, not a. Not a scrimmage or something.

[Rob Mahoney]

You just cannot be this person. Got it?

[Joanna Robinson]

All right, thank you to you, Rob Mahoney.

[Rob Mahoney]

Thank you, Joe.

[Joanna Robinson]

Thank you to Kai Grady. Thank you to Justin Sayles. Thank you to ct. Thank you to everyone here at the Sycamore Studios.

[Rob Mahoney]

Takes a village.

[Joanna Robinson]

It really does. And we'll be back with definitely more pit. And Rob promises you some love story coverage.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's my personal guarantee. I have a lot to get off my chest. And again, like, a lot of Jackie O to talk about.

[Joanna Robinson]

Yeah. All right, we'll see you soon. Bye.

[Rob Mahoney]

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