‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 13: Back Online

Summary

The Prestige TV Podcast: ‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 13: "Back Online"

Host: Jordan Robinson & Rob Mahoney | Date: April 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers a sharp, engaging breakdown of Season 2, Episode 13 of “The Pitt,” centering on the return to normalcy after a major computer outage in the ED. Jordan and Rob conduct a spirited mailbag, analyze incoming and departing characters, debate character motivations, and share memorable moments, all with their signature banter and sharp insights. The conversation flows from character arcs and hospital realism, to workplace generational divides, with a climactic reveal of major casting news for Season 3.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Episode Framing & Format

• Writers & Directors: Written by Joe Sachs, directed by Damian Marcano.
• The episode’s structure serves as both an emotional cooldown post-crisis and a narrative springboard, introducing the night shift cast amid technological restoration.

2. Spoiler Protocol

• Initial Discussion (03:03): The co-hosts tease a “big” casting spoiler but, out of respect, hold it until show’s end.
  • Rob: “Rob, being a very responsible spoiler guy, we try.” (03:03)

3. Mailbag Fun: Parallels, Language, and Work Culture

• Stealing Supplies: Narrative Parallels (03:02–04:17)
  • Listeners noted similarities between Santos’ scalpel theft and Langdon’s med theft in Season 1. Both hosts strongly reject the equivalence, instead sharing personal anecdotes about doctors’ casual workplace thefts.
  • Jordan: “Those doctors are stealing supplies from the hospital all the time… but very different from stealing drugs.” (03:42)
• Coke and Sports Naming Games (04:17–05:16)
  • Listener suggestions for sports/coke lingo are highlighted, especially tennis “line” jokes and “lane lines” in swimming.
• Linguistic Deep Dive: ‘Uncluster’ vs. ‘Unfuck’ a Clusterfuck (06:54)
  • A surprisingly detailed semantic debate unfolds, with copious listener input yielding only more uncertainty.
  • Rob: “I feel more lost than ever as to what the truth of the matter is.” (07:10)
• Work/Life Balance Generational Shift – Joy’s Early Departure (07:39–09:25)
  • Joy embodies Gen Z boundary-drawing, eliciting mixed feelings among characters and hosts about generational expectations in medicine.
  • Jordan: “Just because I didn’t have work life balance doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. So… shouldn’t you suffer the way I had to suffer?” (08:31)
  • Rob: “Wouldn’t that be an acceptable way to live?” (09:12)

4. Night Shift Roll Call: New and Returning Characters (09:25–15:46)

• Newcomer Spotlights:
  • Dr. Cruz Henderson (Luke Tenney): Warm, empathetic, strong patient rapport—“wonderful, warm and fuzzy.” (09:56)
  • Dr. Nazali Tamarian (Sophia Hemsik): Intern, “welcome presence, good energy, distinct character.”
  • Drs. John Shen, Jack Abbott, Parker L., Mateo, and Nurse Vivi are accounted for, with debate over some ambiguous medical hierarchies.
• Staffing Realism vs. TV Contrivance (11:58–12:54)
  • Listener (Kate) provides real-world context on hospital attending numbers, highlighting show liberties.
  • Jordan: “So this all feels purely written for plot, character, and not at all realistic to how EDs run. Which is fine. This is television.” (12:54)

5. Rounds: Plotlines and Character Arcs

• Jesse’s Fate (20:35–21:25)
  • Jesse is stuck in the holding facility for the weekend, Perla’s inside info helps, but there’s palpable frustration.
  • Rob: “That’s a best case scenario.” (20:52)
• Going-Away Parties, Cake & Shen’s Disappointment (21:43–23:47)
  • Both hosts reveal personal stances on farewells and surprise parties, inserting warmth and relatability.
  • “If I’m going away, I want to slink out the background.” (22:51)
• Digby’s Emotional Arc & Dignity (24:02–33:10)
  • The long-running “Dialysis Dad” patient, Digby, gets a powerful, moving send-off.
  • Jordan: “This is a tremendous arc… Emma saying ‘Did you dance with your daughter at your wedding?’ that’ll always remember you—this really got to me.”
  • Rob: “Shot of him in the hand mirror… amazing, beautiful moment… shows can thread you along and still land those sorts of things.” (31:44)

6. Mentoring, Care, and Friendship

• Santos & Whitaker: Platonic Lifelines (36:00–38:21)
  • Santos and Whitaker’s evolving mutual support shines as a subtle, non-romantic anchor.
  • Rob: “He’s here to offer this to her, which is just sort of like, I’m not gonna leave you at the first opportunity…” (37:43)
• Ogilvy’s Redemption Beat (53:47–55:47)
  • Ogilvy, once the least sympathetic doctor, receives both compassion and hard truths from Whitaker:
    • “People die. We do the best we can, but people die.” (55:33, Whitaker)
  • The Pit’s MO: Challenge the audience to find compassion for difficult characters.

7. Professional & Emotional Consequences

• Samira Mohan’s Collapse (41:01–46:29)

  • Samira’s mounting stress crescendos, and she receives less emotional support than others; critique noted from listeners about repetitive “overbearing mom” tropes for South Asian female characters.

    • Rob: “She’s taken hits at every turn… also having this tailspin about her career and the process… and family.” (42:29)
• Robbie & Dana: Tough Love (48:22–49:50)
  • Their bickering showcases mutual misrecognition and real-world workplace exhaustion.
    • “They’re both quite wrong about themselves and quite right about each other.” (48:25)

8. New Patient Cases and “Pit” Themes

• Asthma Kid, Medicaid Tangent, and Dr. Henderson’s Competence (50:19–52:53)
  • Episode efficiently uses patient vignettes to highlight systemic issues and showcase new faces' medical skill.
• Theme Underlined (52:37)
  • “Being there for people on their worst day… that’s the theme of the show.” (Jordan)

9. Comic Relief & Running Gags

• Sunburn Bikini Babe (58:06–59:09)
  • Proposal for a “Pit drinking game” based on this recurring background extra, with SNL-esque hallway cameos.
• Furry, Magnetic Nose Jewelry Case, Kicking the Shredder (Mel King), and More

10. Santos: Gregory House Vibes? (60:12–61:18)

• Jordan: “Is she the Dr. Gregory House of this show? … Terrible bedside manner, really good at the weird stuff.”
• Rob: “She crosses within this conversation the line from… healthy cynicism to outright hostility.”

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Casting News & Spoilers

— Final Segment, Spoiler Warning Issued at 62:35 —

The Big Reveal (62:41–66:12)

• Aisha Harris (Dr. Ellis) promoted to series regular for Season 3.
• Supriya Ganesh (Dr. Mohan) will depart after this season.
• Jordan: “Aisha Harris, who we love, is Dr. Ellis… love to Supriya Ganesh who's leaving.”
• Hosts reflect on the natural rotation at teaching hospitals and the bittersweet authenticity of loss/change in ensemble TV storytelling.
• Jordan: “I’m sad it’s happening this way for Samira, seemingly on a note of defeat…”
• Rob: “I’m absolutely bereft. Mohan’s one of my favorite characters on the show.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the generational work divide (08:31, Jordan):

  “Just because I didn’t have work life balance doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. So… shouldn’t you suffer the way I had to suffer?”

• On dehydration and coke at the pool (05:16, Jordan):

  “That post nasal drip from coke is a real experience that I would not want to enjoy underwater…”

• On transitions in teaching hospitals (64:35, Jordan):

  “This is just gonna happen… [Teaching hospital] people rotate in and rotate out all the time.”

• On Whitaker’s core guidance (55:33, Whitaker):

  “People die. We do the best we can, but people die.”

• On Santos’ cynicism (61:14, Rob):

  “She crosses in this conversation the line from healthy cynicism to outright hostility.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 03:03 – Spoiler/casting talk teased, held until end
• 07:39–09:25 – Generational divides in work ethic (Joy’s exit)
• 09:25–16:18 – Night shift roster, org charts, and casting
• 24:02–33:10 – Digby’s emotional payoff
• 36:00–38:21 – Santos & Whitaker, platonic friendship
• 41:01–46:29 – Samira Mohan’s collapse; diversity critique
• 48:22–49:50 – Robbie & Dana, mutual misrecognition
• 53:47–55:47 – Whitaker & Ogilvy, “People die” moment
• 58:06–59:09 – Comic relief, sunburn bikini extra
• 62:41–66:12 – Major casting news (Aisha Harris in, Supriya Ganesh out)

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Language, Tone, & Engagement

Jordan and Rob maintain a lively, self-aware conversational tone. Their blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and nuanced criticism provides both entertainment and depth. The surface snark is always balanced by thoughtful analysis and sincere fandom.

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Conclusion

This episode is a model of Prestige TV Podcast’s strengths: witty, granular fandom, honest engagement with show logic versus medical realism, and genuine investment in how “The Pitt” explores both the horror and grace of the emergency medicine workplace. The casting news segment ends the show on a bittersweet note, reflecting how change—onscreen and off—is an inescapable facet of the series’ world.

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End of summary.

Transcript

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[Jordan Robinson]

Hello. Welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast feed. I'm Jordan Robinson.

[Rob Mahoney]

I am Rob Mahoney.

[Jordan Robinson]

It is 7pm Episode 13 of the Pit, and Emma and Ogilvy have clocked out of their shifts off duty. They're done.

[Rob Mahoney]

Monica doesn't seem thrilled about it.

[Jordan Robinson]

Monica really thinks Emma could have pitched in. Monica not thrilled about a lot of things. It seems.

[Rob Mahoney]

Armenian on the floor of the ed. Absolutely not.

[Jordan Robinson]

Her eye roll was maga. Monica in full force here on the Pit. All right, so we're gonna talk about episode 13 of the Pit. We have some casting news that we're going to talk about in terms of season three of the Pit that just was just announced mere hours ago when we're recording this. Rob, where can folks reach us if they want to talk to us about the Pit?

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm so glad you asked, Joe. They can reach us at Dr.sidebangsmail.com that's spelled out Dr.sidebangs gmail.com or prestigetvpotify.com or again, prestigetv pod on your social media of choice.

[Jordan Robinson]

We've got a lot of TV prescriptions going up. Some certainly very happy customers from our TV prescriptions on the Instagram.

[Rob Mahoney]

So 100% patient satisfaction score of the

[Jordan Robinson]

one person who responded they really liked it. Okay. This episode is written by Joe Sachs and directed by Damian Marcano. And we want to start with. I think we should start with his casting news just right up the top.

[Rob Mahoney]

You want to go right here?

[Jordan Robinson]

I do.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay. I want to say if you don't want to know potentially critical information about what happened, I think it's a pretty significant spoiler I think it's going to

[Jordan Robinson]

be hard to avoid if you're a pit fan who listens to podcasts.

[Rob Mahoney]

But look, there are many kinds. There are the pod only pit fans. There are the Tumblr only pit fans.

[Jordan Robinson]

True.

[Rob Mahoney]

There are the deeper, darker pit fans going to all corners of the Internet.

[Jordan Robinson]

Do you want to save this for the end?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think we should save it for the end.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay. Rob, being a very responsible spoiler guy, we try. We're going to save this casting news till the end. But it's big. It's a big one. So you should come back. All right, well then let's start with the mailbag. Why not? Yeah, we got a lot of emails I saw comparing Santos stealing the scalpel to Langdon stealing meds in season one. I too saw this and which I don't mind is like a narrative parallel, but I do not see those as that is the same thing.

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't even think it's a narrative parallel.

[Jordan Robinson]

I mean, the vision of someone reaching into a cart and taking something.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, we saw Whitaker take a sandwich. Like I don't see the comp there.

[Jordan Robinson]

I will just say in my experience as the daughter of a doctor, my uncle's a doctor. Those doctors are stealing supplies from the hospital all the time. My uncle used to steal like iodine and a bunch of other stuff for his home brewing setup from the hospital. My dad used to steal scrubs for us. We wore scrubs as like PJs when we were kids. So like the doctors are forever just like, you know, taken home supplies. It's a workplace that's very different from stealing drugs.

[Rob Mahoney]

Also very different from stealing a scalpel, which is not a normal like I'm swiping post its from the supply closet, but I just don't really see the parallel with the Langdon situation.

[Jordan Robinson]

I mean, I'm fine with it as like a visual parallel, but I just don't think it's like a on the same scale of, you know, transgression comp at all. Coke and sports. Uh, last week on the pod, if you missed it, we talked a lot about the so called birdie bump. This was before the Tiger woods news hit.

[Rob Mahoney]

You're absolutely right.

[Jordan Robinson]

So but we were, we were talking about other sports and what you might call a hit of cocaine while you're playing other sports. We got a lot of suggestions from people. Specifically, in your world, in the tennis world, was there anything that you wanted to call out from our listeners?

[Rob Mahoney]

I just feel like the lines were Right there the whole time.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And so I did appreciate, like a love line, you know, down the line, playing the lines. I think there's a lot you could work with there, but line oriented does feel like the way to go.

[Jordan Robinson]

We also got listeners who's. Who's a swimmer who suggested lane lines also.

[Rob Mahoney]

Very good.

[Jordan Robinson]

That sounds really messy to try to do like a bump of coke while you're all wet from the pool. Like, does that not form a paste of some kind?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. And if you have like coke residue in or around your nose when you jump into the pool, does it just seep out into the chlorine pool?

[Jordan Robinson]

That post nasal drip from coke is. Is a real experience that I would not want to enjoy underwater actually at any other time.

[Rob Mahoney]

All right, tell us about it. That was a very personal anecdote there, Joe.

[Jordan Robinson]

It's a fun fact that this is a true thing that happens. We also got a couple. I've. I've seen this around a bit that people are curious. They feel like med student Victoria Giovanni is being called Dr. Javati by people that she works with even though she's a med student. I was tracking it after we got some comments about that. I was tracking inside of this episode. We see Robbie inside of the same incident where he's talking about. He's talking to Samira and he calls her Samira, and then he's talking to Victoria and he calls her Javati. I don't know if there's significance to that. The reason he needed to call her Javati in that case was that so that Mary McCormick's character was like, Javadi, I know your parents. I was at your baby shower. But in general, I will be curious to track this sort of like, I think it's interesting, this sort of first name, last name, kind of what we call various characters inside of.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, so this one is not just first name, last name, but being called a doctor when you're not explicitly a

[Jordan Robinson]

doctor when she's a medical student.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think in those cases we get two variations. Right. We get the one of, you know, like Emma says Dr. Ogilvy in this episode in a way that, like, maybe a little mistaken about the hierarchy, just like an honest mistake in the way that some of the patients might. And then we have Robbie telling Dr. Giovanni, show your mother that you're built for the ED. And that's more of like a vote of confidence in a way.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right. But inaccurate at the same time.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, inaccurate, but, you know, projecting.

[Jordan Robinson]

Robbie picks and chooses when he decides to support his Underlings unclustering a clusterfuck. We got a tremendous amount of emails about your very sensible linguistic question of does one unfuck a clusterfuck or does one uncluster a clusterfuck? Did you hear anything that felt compelling one way or another from our listeners?

[Rob Mahoney]

So much. The problem is in both directions all the time. I have read many explana, including from. I mean, just some truly impressive grammatical minds out there who are breaking this down on the most granular level. And I feel more lost than ever as to what the truth of the matter is.

[Jordan Robinson]

It's a very pit outcome that you're like, I can see it from both sides.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's true. We just learned to accept it. You know, there's a level of loss that we all experience in the pit and a level of confusion we all experience in everyday life. I'm just finding my personal Whitaker esque balance.

[Jordan Robinson]

It's true. It's true. Also on the Joy front, we got some emails from people who have experience working inside of hospitals or EDs who were sort of surprised by Joy leaving early. Inside of this episode, we get sort of a comment from Santos where she was like, smart girl that she left at 659. This is a real generational divide question, and I've experienced it myself as someone who's like an elder millennial technically, that when you, when you encounter Gen Z out in the world and they're drawing these clear boundaries and on the one hand an instinct that you have is like, how entitled of you. Don't you know that we all have to do X, Y, Z? And at the same time there's a voice inside of you saying like, good for you. Like, why didn't I do that? Just because I didn't have work life balance doesn't mean you shouldn't. So this is like a. But shouldn't you suffer the way that I had to suffer?

[Rob Mahoney]

For sure.

[Jordan Robinson]

But maybe you shouldn't because it should be better for the next generation. So, like, this is something that I've experienced myself as I've watched, like younger people come up inside of the workplace behind me. Any thoughts and feelings on this?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think a lot of us, yeah, generationally are coming from that same perspective. And then a lot of the people emailed in too. There was a lot of suggestion of like, oh, if you did this, there would be professional consequences. Oh, if you did this, you know, you wouldn't be regarded in the same way by your superiors. Yeah. I mean, the perspective is, what if that's not the Worst thing in the world, right? What if it's okay to clock out more or less on time and do your job and show up and be a professional, but then go home at the end of the day and you don't have to climb the ladder? Wouldn't that be an acceptable way to live?

[Jordan Robinson]

And particularly for someone like Joy who's like, I have no interest in the ed, like, this is not where I want to make my. Make my name. I want to do pathology. I don't give a shit about this.

[Rob Mahoney]

So she's getting stamps on her punch card as she rounds her way into the things she actually is interested in doing.

[Jordan Robinson]

Exactly. All right, let's meet the night shift. Before we get into everything, I thought we might want to break down some of the returnee and new characters that we have. Like last week, Mateo walked in. Dr. John Shen walked in. Last week, our goat. We had already seen Dr. Ellis this season, but Dr. Ellis is here. And then of course, Dr. Jack Abbott is here. But then we've got two new people. Dr. Cruz Henderson is played by Luke Tenney of shrinking fame. So he's here. We're on cruise control with him. What was your first impression of this character?

[Rob Mahoney]

Wonderful.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Warm and fuzzy. I mean, it's very clear initially that he just has very good patient rapport, like a very soft rapport with them. And in particular does something that granted it's easier to do at the beginning of your shift than at the end, but even then, relative to the other doctors, just like talking directly and empathetically to patients and understanding how critical a part of the job that is.

[Jordan Robinson]

It's so funny azzy, like, you know, we've been with the day shift all day. I was like a little. When he was like, we'll get you home real quickly.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean that was an over promise.

[Jordan Robinson]

I was like, okay. But then he did and I was like, oh, nevermind. He can back all of that up.

[Rob Mahoney]

So, I mean, things have cooled down a little bit, right? The systems are back online. There are enough beds that like no one is rushing Digby out the door. You know, like things have chilled to the point that you can do the rounds with both parts of the staff and yeah, make some promises and maybe even deliver on them.

[Jordan Robinson]

Also we have Dr. Nazali Tamarian, played by Sophia Hemsik. And this is her, she's an intern, which she's a first year resident. So it's like Santos last season or Whitaker this season. That's the level that she's coming in on. This is her first day and they make a. They like she's here on the night shift. This is. This is her getting to meet everyone. So this is who we have on staff then. And then Nurse Vivi. We had already met. I don't know if she's technically the night shift, but she seems like she's kind of here. So we've got Mateo, Nurse Vivi. Dr. Tamarian is the first year resident. Dr. Cruz Henderson is a fourth year resident. Their senior resident.

[Rob Mahoney]

Right.

[Jordan Robinson]

Parker L. Is also a senior resident.

[Rob Mahoney]

Are we sure about that?

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay.

[Jordan Robinson]

I mean, just because I've googled this.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, I mean, but there's a lot of conflicting googling of.

[Jordan Robinson]

I believe she's a fourth year resident. But you think she's.

[Rob Mahoney]

I was third year. Well, I'm wondering because. Okay, so Cruise Henderson is referred to by Abbott as the senior. As the senior resident.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And if they're parallel, I would think they would be co senior residents. To which the answer to the question of who's our senior would be both Ellis and Henderson. Which leads me to believe that maybe she's on some kind of fellowship track that hasn't quite been said explicitly, but may.

[Jordan Robinson]

Maybe. Here's the even more confusing wrinkle.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay.

[Jordan Robinson]

We have two attendings.

[Rob Mahoney]

We do.

[Jordan Robinson]

Dr. John Shen is an attending and Dr. Jack Abbott isn't attending.

[Rob Mahoney]

Is it crazy that Robbie doesn't care?

[Jordan Robinson]

Isn't that fascinating?

[Rob Mahoney]

So weird.

[Jordan Robinson]

We got an email from our listener Kate about this, just in reference to Robbie's objection to two attendings on the day shift. Right. She said his protestations against having two attending on the day shift really confused me because the night shift has two, Abbott and Shen, and nights are typically quiet, quieter than days. So I went to my in house expert, my husband, who is a supervising PA and a major city Ed, to ask, what's the normal staffing level in an ED like that? And he said, quote, large volume teaching hospitals typically have three to five attendings minimum per shift. Um, rural community hospitals typically have one attending. So the idea of a major city tertiary care center that is also a teaching hospital with many residents running a shift with one attending is laughable. End quote. So Kate said. So this all feels purely written for plot, character, and not at all realistic to how EDS run. Which is fine. This is television.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

Also, P.S. the vast majority of the white nurses that my husband works with are Trump supporters slash conservatives and married to cops, firefighters, way more Monicas than Dana's in that profession, so. But yeah, going back to this, like it is very much a construct of this television that we have, like Robbie, the leader and the hierarchy under him. But it is fascinating that the night shift, a calmer shift, has two attendings, a senior resident, and if you are correct, then Dr. Ellis is at least,

[Rob Mahoney]

like, at least someone quite senior.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah, on. On the shift. Fascinating.

[Rob Mahoney]

But it also tracks that even if this institutional progress would be pushing the day shift to have multiple attendings even before now, Robby would be the kind of person who is like Spider man, holding himself in front of the train, insisting that it's a solo job.

[Jordan Robinson]

I don't want it, he says in his Jon Snow voice. Okay. And then two new sort of like other staff members I want to talk about, which is Dr. Linda Conley of neurology, division chief of neurology, working holiday weekend, played by Mary McCormick. We had talked about how she was going to be appearing this season. You know her and love her from West Wing. A lot of people know her and love her from er. So she has a lot of ties to John Wells. And then Dr. Clay Barrett, played by Jeffrey Owens, who comes in to talk to Robbie about Duke, and he's basically like, there are limits to where you can push your friend. My guy. And here's where the rubber meets road. Jeffrey Owens, the actor Jeffrey Owens, I know from the Cosby show, he played Dr. Elvin Thibodeau, who is like one of Bill Cosby's Dr. Huxtable's son in law, but he's like another TV doctor. So these are two TV doctors that they brought on to play, like one episode, two episode TV doctor. So I just think it's really fun. And they should just, like, keep doing that, I think.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. I mean, there's so many specialties. There's so many places in the hospital you can pluck from. And the fact that you have, if you're familiar, this built in institutional knowledge of these people as doctors, and if you're unfamiliar, they just know how to play a doctor.

[Jordan Robinson]

You know Jeffrey Owens, the actor who was on the Cosby Show. I don't know if you saw this story. I think it was like five years ago. He was working at Trader Joe about Bill Cosby.

[Rob Mahoney]

I did see that.

[Jordan Robinson]

Have you heard the news?

[Rob Mahoney]

I did see that one. Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

The news about Bill Cosby, he's working at Trader Joe's and, like, someone took a photo of him and, like, put it online and could be like, oh, my God, Elvin from the Cosby show is working at Trader Joe's now, and he's like, hey, yeah, guess what? I'm a working actor, and sometimes you're not working. And then he's gotten, like, a lot of, you know, like, various people reached out to him and was like, Tyler Perry's like, hey, man, come. Like, be part of my universe or whatever. So I wish I didn't take that,

[Rob Mahoney]

but I'm glad that things took that direction.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah, exactly. So I was excited to see him here. I was. Elvin was like a very memorable character to me on the Cosby Show. Okay. Those are all the new stuff. Anything else you want to say? I mean, we'll talk about them as the storylines go forward, but anything you want to say about their introduction or these actors or anything like that?

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, we should also note that Lena would normally be the charge nurse for the night shift. Dana has given her the night off with no real plan on how to fill that spot.

[Jordan Robinson]

I'll find coverage.

[Rob Mahoney]

She said finding coverage for a night shift in real time with no notice feels a lot like Dana is just gonna pull a double.

[Jordan Robinson]

Probably.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

She did have, like, she sent Lena home hours ago, so, like, she had time to find someone, and she.

[Rob Mahoney]

But not a call was placed.

[Jordan Robinson]

But also, it's Fourth of July. It's the nighttime. Maybe someone's been drinking all day. Who's to say? Anything else you want to say about these new cast members?

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm glad to have them. I think especially, like, Dr. Too. Marian, too of a. I really liked her. I mean, a welcome presence, good energy, distinct character, but also like a type of character we don't have, which is someone on the night shift who isn't, like, very senior.

[Sponsor Voice]

Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

We're used to the Ellis's and the Shens.

[Jordan Robinson]

The Cowboys are here.

[Rob Mahoney]

Exactly. And it's like, where are the med students? Where are the doctor, like, the younger doctors who are learning, who are being taught? And so to see someone who's kind of stumbling around on the night shift I thought was, like a welcome presence.

[Jordan Robinson]

I think they're usually. I think that's more loaded onto the day shift. Makes sense in general, but.

[Rob Mahoney]

But there must be some exceptions. Right.

[Jordan Robinson]

So I wanted to start here sort of after we've gotten to all of that, now that it's over. How did the outage work for you as a storyline this season?

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay. I think it worked well as a misdirect of, oh, this big, chaotic thing's happening. And then in real time, most of the characters learned to navigate it. Figured it out. I thought this episode did a good job of crystallizing Some of the subtler costs. Right. That even though it wasn't as frenetic as a mass shooting event, there's still cases like Mr. Green where it's like, if the computers had been working, they would have been on top of his aortic aneurysm from the beginning. They would have known his full medical history. But between that and an experienced med student working with him, they didn't get the full chart represented in real time.

[Jordan Robinson]

What I really like about that, I mean, obviously I don't love that Mr. Green is no longer with us and Ogilvy is traumatized. But what I like about that scenario as well is there's patient responsibility too, because so as someone who had major surgery last year, I have six month checkups that I have to do with my doctor for several years in the future to check how I am doing after that procedure.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

And that's my responsibility to make those appointments and show up for those appointments. And Mr. Green just like stopped doing that.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

And that's an understandable thing. You're just sort of like, I feel better, I'm fine. I don't have to do this. I don't have to do this maintenance. But like, that is a patient responsibility. And hopefully if all of your systems are working, you have, you in the hospital, have a check for that. But there's just sort of like, you know, a very understandable human patient negligence and a computer outage. Samira's, you know, distraction today, if you want to put it that way. And then Ogilvy being new and not knowing what to look for, all of those things combined wind up with this guy not making it. So I thought that was like. I like that part too. That sort of patient responsibility being part of it.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, and just the difference in patient behavior and understanding as it results to their own medical history. Right. There are people and like, I've been guilty of this, of you go in for an appointment or something, they ask for your medical history and you have to really rack your brain to think, when was that surgery? When was this treatment? When was this thing that I was in for? And then we've seen patients come through the ED where it's like they have chapter and verse because they've been in such recurring pain or they haven't been taken seriously. It's like they are in and out of the hospital or doctor's offices all the time versus someone like Mr. Green. You're right. He goes home, he feels better, and you have the luxury of kind of forgetting about it almost and then all of a sudden it's creeps back up in a really terrible and unfortunate way.

[Jordan Robinson]

Anything else you want to say about the outage? I think, I agree. I think it was an interesting concept in terms of. Let's take us back to how medicine works in the 90s on ER, which is not the same show if the Crichton estate is listening, all that sort of stuff like that. An excuse to bring Monica in, who's an interesting, at least flavor to have

[Rob Mahoney]

here in the series. I like having her on the show, for the record.

[Jordan Robinson]

Me too. As a character. I don't want to have any cigarette or meal with her.

[Rob Mahoney]

But you're a snowflake.

[Jordan Robinson]

They say that about me. Yeah. I mean, overall, I don't. I will say this, there's another storyline that gets kind of wrapped up in this episode that I feel pretty low on. So I'm, I'm. I'm going to say I feel pretty medium on the outage. I think. Medium plus on the outage. Pretty good. Let's talk about rounds as a good way to sort of like make sure we understand who these new characters are and also where we stand with everyone. First, before we get to rounds, we get this checkup on nurse Jesse. And I thought we might just take a moment to sort of check in on everything we learned about Jesse. Here Santos is telling Dr. Henderson about it. McKay let us know that Jesse did a little more than just put a hand on the ice agent. And I love that for him. Dr. Al Hashimi says the lawyer's on the case and that Perla later has some info.

[Rob Mahoney]

She's got her ear to the ground

[Jordan Robinson]

that he's two hours away. And then later Langdon, Perla, Abbott and Robbie are talking about and they're like, he's gonna be locked up the entire weekend and that sucks. There's nothing we can do for him. So Jesse is in the Clearfield Containment center for the rest of the weekend until Monday.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. And that's a best case scenario.

[Jordan Robinson]

That sucks.

[Rob Mahoney]

Although in the processing of that information, Perla again relaying that her brother in law is a copy. She's, she's got inside info.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

We spent half of this episode with Dr. Robbie going full detective mode on Dr. Alishimi being like, okay, what's her deal? What's going on? What, what's, what's her history at the va not once did he think, this is a great buddy cop moment with me and Perla. I should, I should bring in the detective who has actual information and clearly knows what she's doing now, that's all I want. I. I think it could be a great setup, actually.

[Jordan Robinson]

I don't think I want Rob. I want Perla on the case. But I don't know that I want Robbie on the case. I want. I want a different partner. Who in the ed else would you put with Perla?

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, Pearl is a lone wolf. Like when she's with Princess, they have a one, two act for sure. But I could see her just going full noir, you know, high collar, trench coat, creeping around the er, just really, really digging up clues.

[Jordan Robinson]

I love that. Also, real tragy for our guy, Dr. John Shen. No card or cake or flowers for Robbie.

[Rob Mahoney]

What the hell?

[Jordan Robinson]

He really wanted that cake. He's pretty disappointed. Rob, what's your stance on a going away party?

[Rob Mahoney]

Pro.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay, as you know, I'm. I'm in the process of moving.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Jordan Robinson]

Leaving Northern California, where I've lived like basically my entire life, to move down here to Los Angeles. There are several people in my life who are trying to talk me into a going away party. Yeah, I'm anti.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay. I want to qualify my stance.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

I am good with going away parties for contained groups of people. You know what I don't want?

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

All of the pockets of people in my life intermingling. That's messy. I don't want that.

[Jordan Robinson]

I also just don't want like a big, like a fuss.

[Rob Mahoney]

Much ado.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah, Much ado about nothing. And also, especially, I mean, do you do a cake for like a three month sabbatical? I mean, as Robbie says ominously at the end of this episode, perhaps I'm not coming back. But, like, it's just a sabbatical. He's not leaving the department for good.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know, I'm inclined to agree with Dr. Shen because my policy on going away parties is probably similar to mine on birthdays, which is I don't want to celebrate my own, but I want to celebrate everyone else.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

So, like, if you're going away, let's have a party.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

If I'm going away, I want to slink out the background.

[Jordan Robinson]

That's what I'm saying. Okay. I will go to a going away party. I just don't want one for me.

[Rob Mahoney]

Entirely fair.

[Jordan Robinson]

That sounds like my nightmare, to be honest with you.

[Rob Mahoney]

With love and respect, if you're Joe's friends out there now, you know.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Don't do it.

[Jordan Robinson]

Don't celebrate me.

[Rob Mahoney]

You were planning a surprise party. Don't do it.

[Jordan Robinson]

I don't want it. I mean, sometimes Surprise parties are fun.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay, now you're being confusing.

[Jordan Robinson]

No, I don't want a going away party. But like, when you were a kid, did you not. Did you ever have a surprise party?

[Rob Mahoney]

I loathe a surprise party.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay, tell me why.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's a lot of attention on me at a moment where I don't want it.

[Jordan Robinson]

Here's. Here's what I.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay, let's get into my control issues. Okay, now

[Jordan Robinson]

here's the moment on every episode of the Pit where we do therapy. When I was in college, a friend of mine, his birthday was like four days after mine. And so all of our friends told me it was a surprise party for him, and they told him it was a surprise party for me.

[Rob Mahoney]

But the answer was both.

[Jordan Robinson]

And it was like a surprise party for both of us.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's pretty good.

[Jordan Robinson]

That was great. That was really fun. Cause I was like, wow, you thoroughly got me in a really fun way.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's some quality friending right there.

[Jordan Robinson]

It's really smart. Okay, for reals, let's do rounds. Dialysis, dad.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

Digby still here. Charles Baker still collecting his paychecks for the season. Digby and baby Jane down here all day. Water ski, knee tweak.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

Lillian Stegman is the. Is the patient there.

[Rob Mahoney]

She really wanted to flex about it too.

[Jordan Robinson]

Oh, well, wouldn't you?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think if you injured your knee doing a water skiing stunt, like, that's just what it is. You don't need to be like, I went off this highway ramp. I was doing a 360.

[Jordan Robinson]

You definitely would rob. Are you kidding me? I think what if you. What if you injured yourself playing tennis, but you did something like, really cool injuring yourself?

[Rob Mahoney]

I don't know. I think. I think once you injure yourself, it's not that cool anymore.

[Jordan Robinson]

I don't know. Like, this reminds me of. There was like the Evil Knievel guy earlier this season. I just feel like people who do, like, daredevil water skiing are always wanting

[Rob Mahoney]

to talk about, like, well, that part is definitely true.

[Jordan Robinson]

How daring and deviling their water ski move was.

[Rob Mahoney]

No argument for me.

[Jordan Robinson]

And then he stroke mom gets a sort of mention. Any. Any, like, follow up on that case. Do you feel like we're going to get. You know what's been interesting? Chris and I were talking about this a little bit on the watch. The way in which the actors have come out this season a bunch and talked about like, hey, you're watching a different show than the one we're making.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

Whether that's sort of Patrick Ball And Taylor Dearden talking about the Langdon milk king dynamic or this idea of, like, trying to solve the mystery of the Pit. Now, we've talked about this. I agree. In some way, the Pit is trying to sort of set up, like, a medical mystery for you. What's going. What's happening with Dr. Al Hashimi? We still don't know. Detective Robbie's on the case. Surely we'll find out before the end of the season. But then, like, maybe there are things like heatstroke, Mom. Where the point is not, did she do it? Who done it? It's not a true crime podcast. And look at the dirt under the fingernails. It's just a sort of like, isn't this a horrible situation? So, I don't know, like, where. Where are you on that? Do you feel like we're. We're gonna get sort of a dun, dun, dun reveal or not? What do you think?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, no idea if we're gonna get the full reveal, but we will get more information just by virtue of a couple things. One, heatstroke kid himself is still upstairs being treated, and so I would imagine we at least get some declaration of whether he's okay or not or what his status is. We also know that his dad has arrived. We haven't met him yet. The dad went straight up to be by his kid's side, has not stopped by to see the mom at all. Uh, so I would. I would think we will see the dad, and I will. I think we will get some progress report, if not actual closure.

[Jordan Robinson]

With two hours left in the season.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

Are you starting to sort of have a running tabulation of the things that you need resolved? And how high on the list do you put he stroke mom versus Will Langdon and Robbie have another meaningful conversation or not?

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, there's kind of like patient cases and then doctor issues in separate categories, so it's hard to weigh against each other. But among the patient cases, I don't know that there's anything else that's, like, lingering other than heat stroke kid and his mom.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

Because. Yeah. Dialysis dad is soon to be discharged, it seems doing much better.

[Jordan Robinson]

You know, Howard made it through surgery.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. This asthmatic kid seems to be making a full recovery.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

We don't know about baby Jane Doe.

[Jordan Robinson]

So, Orlando, what's. You know, we won't know what's happening

[Rob Mahoney]

with Orlando, but we're also briefed that we won't know for weeks.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

So, like, I mean, the Orlando case is devastating, an absolute disaster.

[Jordan Robinson]

The way that Noelle comes down is like, well, now you qualify for this, that, and the other thing.

[Rob Mahoney]

Is this the time to settle the bill?

[Jordan Robinson]

Guess what? Let's talk about Noelle Hastings, rn. I'm out on this entire totally out storyline. I think her stuff with Robbie, this episode and as a season, as a whole, because I presume this is their goodbye, has not worked for me. And I don't know if it's, like, a lack of chemistry between the actors or just the way, like, I just don't. It's a difference between liking a character or not. I don't like Ogilvy, but I think he's a very, like, useful character this season. Yeah, I don't feel like Noelle Hastings, this has worked at all for me at any juncture. I was, like, waiting for a payoff of her relationship with Robbie or her dynamic with Dana or anything like that. And as, like, a conveyance of information about the way in which Billing works at the hospital, she's been, like, a useful sort of exposition machine in the

[Rob Mahoney]

same way that, like, the social workers pop up to explain policy.

[Jordan Robinson]

But, like, with the Robbie stuff, this just is. Fell really flat for me.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, she's not really a character, right. Like, she. She serves a couple of purposes. You nailed a couple of them. I think one of them is just having a person who works with Robbie who would also be spending time with him outside of the Ed, Right. Who has seen him in other contexts. And the fact that she knows that

[Jordan Robinson]

he needs the TV on. I mean, he can't sleep.

[Rob Mahoney]

Knows his most intimate details.

[Jordan Robinson]

He's not sleep maxing, I'll tell you that.

[Rob Mahoney]

He's watching, like, Mad about you reruns or something, you know, I don't know what he's doing.

[Jordan Robinson]

Great choice.

[Rob Mahoney]

Honestly, we're all looking to be soothed in our own ways. And so to. To have that kind of inside information and still be as worried about him as she is, I think is telling. Right. It's not that everyone who works with Robbie doesn't know more, but that's literally all she does on the show is, like, pop down, maybe a stray flirt, flirt, and then leave.

[Jordan Robinson]

I don't know. It just didn't work for me.

[Rob Mahoney]

I was hoping for more, and this certainly felt like the last we're gonna see of Noel Hastings this season. Didn't really go anywhere.

[Jordan Robinson]

I did love the Abbott sort of shoulder check in that moment, but, like,

[Rob Mahoney]

there's a couple of great Sean Addison moments in this episode, and this is among them. Him, like, wiggling his way through their, you know, their send off just tremendous farewell.

[Jordan Robinson]

He's like, guess this plotline's not working for me either.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's why he was raising his eyebrows.

[Jordan Robinson]

Wrap it up.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's like, we're spending this much time on this.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah, wrap it up. Something that did work on me. I would say my most emotional moment or investment in this episode is the Digby stuff. This was a tremendous payoff of, like, a season long, 13 episodes. Yeah. My one exception to that is I think Dr. Tamarion being like, there's a different guy in that bed was pretty dumb. But everything else, like, made me cry. This is a great moment for Emma, a character that we have been sort of, like, up and down on this season, but, like, finished, I think, really strong.

[Rob Mahoney]

Agreed.

[Jordan Robinson]

Dana's bedside manner with him, the way that she talked to him, the way that he talks about, like, his daughter living in his house. And you're like, how did that happen? What's going on there? But also, like, Emma and Dana don't have to solve that. That's not what they're there to do. They're there to just give him this, like, loving care. His fear that they won't recognize him, so they won't be able to find him. Emma saying, did you dance with your daughter at your wedding that you'll always remember? You like, this really, really got to me. And I thought Charles Baker was really, really good in this role. And I just thought. I thought this was a tremendous sort of. I mean, I don't know if this is the end of Digby's role in the show again with only two more episodes, but, like, if so, this is, like, tremendous arc. I think.

[Rob Mahoney]

I thought so too. Especially because in typical Pit fashion, this is, like, all playing with Digby basically the way you would expect this show to handle it. Right. In terms of what it's trying to say about this character and his place in the world and his place in the ED and the dignity of just, like, getting a shave and a haircut and a shower and some sandwiches and just the time to recover where he doesn't have to be, you know, looking for where he's gonna be sleeping that night or whatever his situation may be. It's all kind of like playing the beats. And then you get that shot of him in the hand mirror, like, seeing himself after his haircut for the first time. And it's an amazing, beautiful moment. And the fact that the show can kind of, like, thread you along in all the ways you expect and still land those sorts of things. And we saw it all throughout season one, too. Right. It's like, yeah, it's gonna really hurt when this teenager who overdosed dies and the family has to reckon with it. But then you get the walk through the hospital and it's just. It's what you expect, but hitting in a totally different way. And that was a lot of the Digby moments in this episode for me.

[Jordan Robinson]

And also say, like, Digby starts in a place of like, real, you know, his. We talked about the maggots and the cast, obviously, but, like, you know, in terms of like, dignity and who is owed what and all of that. From the shower, like, from the beginning, Dana is really sort of, you know, instructing Emma on this idea of like, Digby or Mr. Digby and his. But then, like, to a certain degree, he became a bit of comic relief.

[Rob Mahoney]

He's just sort of like hanging around,

[Jordan Robinson]

sort of like sun, sunburned bikini babe who gets a great walkthrough inside of this episode. Like just there and, you know, just occasionally just sort of like still there, still doing well, Mr. Digby, like, you know, just Digby, all that sort of stuff like that. So to then, in pit fashion, twist the knife and make it like an extremely emotional moment was, I thought, really, really good.

[Rob Mahoney]

I did have one question.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yes, sir?

[Rob Mahoney]

About the. Did you dance with your daughter at her wedding?

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

What if the answer is no? Like, what if. What if he had, like, what's pivot?

[Jordan Robinson]

Emma can pivot.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's a tough love to then have to just like, back slowly away from. So it landed perfectly.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

And Emma gets just a. I mean, the moment her day has been building towards as well, in terms of showing him that kindness and knowing, like, exactly how to comfort this person who is in need of. Just like, he's just panicking, right? He's having a momentary panic about his ability to connect with his family after looking and feeling like a new man. But yeah, I don't know what the. I don't know what the audible was on that one. If it fell flat.

[Jordan Robinson]

Did you pose with any photos? What else do you walk her down the aisle? You know, there are other things that

[Rob Mahoney]

dad's doing, hopefully, so.

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[Jordan Robinson]

Whitaker, Santos, Mohan King, and McKay are all on charting, scanning, shredding duty at various points in this episode as they try to get out of there. But Santos is like, I live here now, I guess.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, we did learn. I mean, this is what's going to keep them around, right? We thought it was going to be charting. No, it's scanning.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah. She's not even going to get to her charting that she's behind on because she's totally not scanning, shred. I just want to shout out a few things. McKay fighting the scanner slash fax machine. I see you. I see you, and I identify with you, and I love it. And then we get Santos and Whitaker having sort of like another conversation about their living situation. I love, loved this.

[Rob Mahoney]

All the Whittaker Santo stuff. This season's been really, really great.

[Jordan Robinson]

They're little, like exchange of glances. Not glances, like these very shy sort of encounter at the very end. Tail end of that conversation. I. You know, we've. We've talked before about the Pit fandom and their tendency to sort of like, ship various characters and stuff like that. But I do love that the Pit does a really good job of these platonic relationships and how important, you know, Santos is hooking up with Garcia. But that is far from the most important, nourishing the opposite of that relationship in her life. But Whitaker is here as like, a complete lifeline to her in terms of, like, someone who sees her and supports her and cares about her, and she's a tough person. McKay in this episode is like, we're going to.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

You know, so she's a. She's a tough person to know. She's a prickly person, but she extended a lifeline to him at the end of last season when she's like, hey, man, you're living in the hospital. Come live in my house. After bullying him, like, all day.

[Rob Mahoney]

It can be both.

[Jordan Robinson]

And he's here to offer this to her, which is just sort of like, I'm not gonna leave you at the first opportunity, you know, which I thought was really beautiful.

[Rob Mahoney]

But also knowing her well enough to know to not say that. Right, right. It's like she is a skittish enough person where if he was overtly supportive, she would reject it.

[Jordan Robinson]

Well, he even said last episode he was like, you just have to say It.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

To say it. And then she doesn't say it and he offers it to her anyway.

[Rob Mahoney]

He does.

[Jordan Robinson]

So.

[Rob Mahoney]

And here it's all like, yeah, I could maybe just stop by Robbie's to take care of stuff. Like, never overtly saying I. Like even that I want to stay or that you need to feel that you need me around or that you need some. Some company right now.

[Jordan Robinson]

Love it. When I steal your avocados, I get really mad at someone, like, especially if they're. You waited. This economy, the perfect ripeness. Come on. And then it's gone.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's a. I'm waiting multiple days to get that thing right in the zone.

[Jordan Robinson]

Absolutely not. Whitaker on the magnetic nose jewelry. Anything you want to say about that?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, this one's like, open and shut before it's done. Pretty clever. To me, this is just like Whitaker's moment to. What he talks about with Ogilvy later about. This is actually kind of a high stakes situation. And he just kind of deals with it with a bit of ingenuity. You know, it's being there for someone

[Jordan Robinson]

on their worst day.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, it was almost that girl's worst day. Like, the thought of her nose being disfigured was about the worst thing that she could think of in that moment. So he was there. He was there with the answer, and he was there to do something that was not horribly painful. So check, check, check.

[Jordan Robinson]

And I love. I. You know, this is a great moment of, like, Dr. Ingenuity when you use a tool but not for its intended purpose. And you just sort of like, no, we're gonna use the other side of it. We're gonna do this. And clearly he's like, seen someone other. Some other doctor taught him how to do that. And so he's like, guess what? And he's teaching a new doctor how to do it at the same time.

[Rob Mahoney]

So I do have. I mean, I have questions about the science. Like, what is happening with the reverse end of those forceps? What is. What are those?

[Jordan Robinson]

They look like medical grade tweezers.

[Rob Mahoney]

Medical grade tweezers, My favorite. But, like, why would the pointy. The. The grabby end of the medical grade tweezers not also be magnetically split it under?

[Jordan Robinson]

You need like a flat. Doesn't he slide it under?

[Rob Mahoney]

I thought he just kind of hovers it outside and it pops with the magnetic force.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

But maybe I'm mistaken. We'll have to revisit.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

If you're an expert in magnetics.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

Please email [e-mail] if you're Jesse Pinkman,

[Jordan Robinson]

please do email us drcidebangsmail.com and the last one, at least on this sort of like, section, I will say Mel King kicking the shredder. Like fonzing the shredder so hard it knocks into Santos.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's good.

[Jordan Robinson]

And Isa Brionis basically like breaking like she's for real laughing, that actress. Like, I just really liked that moment.

[Rob Mahoney]

Can I raise you on the kick with first the beep, beep, beep.

[Jordan Robinson]

I really hope that was like an improv. I really feel like Taylor Dearden as Mel King has such a beat on like the weird, quirky things that her character would do. Love it. All right, anything else you want to say about Maga Monica before we, we leave?

[Rob Mahoney]

Let's kick her to the curb.

[Jordan Robinson]

Honestly, Real joy. Okay, Orlando, I'm going to say, I'm going to describe what Samira does in this episode as wilting, just completely dissolving. Right. She learns about Mr. Green dying from Whitaker giving up on the ultrasound application. When Dr. Henderson's like, guess what, I got this in the bag, babe.

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm diagnosing patients.

[Jordan Robinson]

I've written.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, it's not looking good as far as that goes.

[Jordan Robinson]

And then asking this, does this medic about the working conditions around the job site to sort of see if there was something that wasn't related to his diabetes that could have been involved in his fall here. And then her just completely shell shocked inside of this entire, you know, trauma moment, like snapping back at Robbie and Garcia, but also sometimes just not responding because she's just completely out of it. This devastates me as someone who's like, emotionally invested in Samira, who's had like a terrible day to see her completely dissolve like this because you want her to just be like, like last season she got all this shit for being so slow and then she just like comes through. I know in the trauma moment at the end of the season, but this just feels like we're just like continuously nosediving for this character. How did you feel about that?

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, it's incredibly tough to watch. And I think in particular the moments you identified with Garcia and Robbie where it's, it's sort of like, I know we're at a teaching hospital, but I don't want to fucking be taught right now.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

Like, she's so invested in this case to the point where, you know, when the opportunity does come up to assist Dr. Conley in terms of addressing Orlando's skull fracture, I, I Completely co signed that Samira should not be involved in that. Right. Like, she is too emotionally hit. She's too close to this case. Like, that's a good decision to sit

[Jordan Robinson]

that particular Victoria the out. But like, Robbie's like, I'm gonna push you.

[Rob Mahoney]

So I wanna circle back to that one because I think it's like a little more nuanced. But in terms of where Mohan is at this point in the day, like, she is devastated. She's. She's taken hits at every turn. Not just by like a day and a bunch of cases that are almost like structured to push her to her limits over the course of this season.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

But also having this tailspin about her career and the process. Also having this underlying stuff with her family and her mom going on that we don't really know the full extent of.

[Jordan Robinson]

We did get an email from a listener who did not want to be identified, but she was pointing out she was a little disappointed that both Victoria and Samira, Mohan and Devadi as like, you know, Southeast Asian women have these storylines related to their moms. And this listener was a little like, that's a little stereotypical for like both of these characters to have the moms as the overbearing mothers.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's the truth.

[Jordan Robinson]

As their trigger point.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, it's a totally fair flag.

[Jordan Robinson]

So what do you wanna say about Victoria that feels a little more nuanced to you? I mean, it is, but like, so

[Rob Mahoney]

this one was interesting. Cause it is not unlike Dr. Giovanni. Show your mom that you're built for this. Like, it is a vote of confidence from Robbie and it is a push at a time where Giovanni's having her own moments of crisis. Right. She's had a tough time with patients all day. She's kind of second guessing herself and her own instincts. But there's something about the way Robbie does it that is like a little forceful. That is like, this is a great opportunity and you need to take it and I' accepting you to decline it. But the way he follows it up by staying in the room and the

[Jordan Robinson]

thumbs up, thumbs up, double thumbs up.

[Rob Mahoney]

He's not throwing her into the deep end and then leaving in the way that he has with other doctors all throughout the day, all throughout both seasons. This is like, this is an opportunity for you. I see you being a little shaken in your confidence right now, and I'm telling you, you can do this.

[Jordan Robinson]

I don't disagree with you. And I, I just think that, like, if I were her manager, I would have been like, you don't have to do this today, but the conversation that he offers her, Whitaker's emotional support of Santos. Mel King talking to Langdon when he feels dispirited. Just no one has done that for Samira today.

[Rob Mahoney]

And the moment where it looks like Robbie might. He just wants to know the dirt on Alashemi. That was heartbreaking, really tough. Cause she is like spacing out into the computer, completely lost in the woods. And it's like, it finally seems like he might be pulling her aside for the right word.

[Jordan Robinson]

There was a moment when he, when he's talking to Mrs. Diaz and he's like, we honor, you know, your husband had all the information. We honored him. From a certain point of view, that's him backing Mohan up, but also it's him legally covering their asses. It's just sort of like we, you know, so it can be both things. But like, that was a moment where I was like, okay, well, he's like on her team. And he never says to Samira, like, why did you let him leave? You know, so he doesn't do that. But I just like, Mohan really needed someone today to like, we've talked about this before, like, Dana talking to Mel in the stairwell, like, someone to just like sit down and be like, I see you as a person. You know, like perhaps when she had her panic attack, you know, like Langdon was, was taking care of her Joy, like got her in the wheelchair. There are people who like, showed up, but no one just sat down and said, let's have an emotional heart to heart about how you're feeling about your mom. Now again, there's two more hours in the shift, so this could still happen. But like, you know, Robbie's been giving her nothing but shit all day. So I, I would love for someone to show up for her the way. But it's realistic. It is that, like, for many of these characters there will be emotional support and emotional bulwark against like, absolutely collapsing under a horrible day. And for some of the characters, there won't be.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know, it's very true, I think, especially when you think about the types of people who tend to get that sort of support. Yeah, often it is like, yeah, younger doctors, inexperienced doctors, people who are coming up and you can see.

[Jordan Robinson]

But Mel for Langdon, you know, well,

[Rob Mahoney]

Mel, they have a unique relationship, clearly, and have a reciprocal care for each other that I think is important. But like, I, I wonder if part of the problem with Mohan is like, she is very competent and she is very good at her job and I, I think it is instructive to remember. Like, she is literally hours away from having a panic attack on the floor and should have been going home right then and there. Not because Robbie thought she was unfit for work, but like, you gotta take care of yourself and I.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right. But Emma got attacked and Emma stayed. And we're all like, good job, Emma.

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, Emma also should have been sent home. I'm proud of her that she wanted to stay. Also should have been sent home. Right. It's like it. It is kind of a having it both ways situation to wrap up the

[Jordan Robinson]

Orlando story, which is by no means like, done done. Or it might be actually. But like Robbie talking loudly in the middle of the ed about how he thinks Mr. Diaz might have tried to off himself. Dana catching him and later chewing him out about it.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. Or to back it up even slightly, the fact that Orlando's wife Laurie has shown up unaware that he even left in the front of a chicken burger. She was just bringing him dinner.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think there's something especially heartbreaking about that and the fact that Mohan is the one to receive her and has to break the news.

[Jordan Robinson]

But I will say that, like, when Perla tells her that Orlando's wife is there, like, Mohan, not like, oh, it should be me or whatever, she's just sort of like, okay, let me be the one to intercept her sort of thing. The Robbie Dana stuff touches a lot of different storylines. I like that this is a conversation that much like many of the cases in the ed, like, spills out across multiple episodes. It does not make sense that this would have been like, wrapped up after their non resolution conversation last week. So, like, I anticipate this will continue for the rest of the season. Two more episodes. But I, I like their. I love, I love when she calls him out. She's like, you know, you shouldn't talk about patients out on the floor like this. And she's like, you almost got taught. He's like, but I did like, over his shoulder. Like, yeah, but I didn't like. Just feels very real. They're dynamic and we watch them be rocks for each other last season. Dana was so concerned about Robbie last season as she is this season. But this season she has sort of like fewer spoons in her own drawer.

[Rob Mahoney]

Right.

[Jordan Robinson]

To offer him tenderness. And she's just sort of like, get your shit together.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's a tougher love for sure.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right. I. I really liked this. What did you think?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, I think the ongoing bickering between them has been great. And I think they're both quite Wrong about themselves and quite right about each other. Like, for everything we've said about Robbie and his martyr complex, and it's addressed overtly in this episode, Dana is putting a lot on her shoulders, too.

[Jordan Robinson]

So you get to go the extra mile, and the rest of us get accused of being martyrs.

[Rob Mahoney]

He's not wrong in this case.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

And we just talked about Dana maybe just, like, pulling a double to cover for Lena to be able to go home. And it's like, these all come from very good places, right. Of wanting, in Dana's case, wanting to look after somebody else and give them a break. But the result is now probably Dana, at minimum, has to find a replacement on a holiday at night.

[Jordan Robinson]

I will say, though, and I agree. I agree with you, that they're wrong about themselves and right about each other. 100% agree. And this is. This is great shit that the pit can. Is capable of thinking about Dana's behavior over the day. We did see her sort of like, she's very sensitized to violence against nurses, as she should be when that patient grabs Emma's arm. Um, and then, of course, in the code hula hoop moment. Um, so I'm not saying that Dana has, like, all of her stuff in order. She's not taking it out on everyone else the way that Robbie is. You know what I mean? Like, the way that he is. They're both traumatized here, not on their best behavior. Yeah. Dana, I think, is much more functional inside of that dynamic than Robbie is today. I think.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think functional is where I might push back a little bit. I agree with you that she's not taking it out on other people in the same way. But if you're walking around all day with a locked and loaded syringe of, like, a sedative, I mean, that means you're looking for trouble around every single corner.

[Jordan Robinson]

No, there's a part of me that thinks they all should have that at all times.

[Rob Mahoney]

You may not be entirely wrong. Clearly, this is a very dangerous place to work. But I'm just thinking about the baseline anxiety level of somebody who feels the necessity to do that.

[Jordan Robinson]

Well, I think everyone needs therapy personally, so we'll see. All right, Asthma kid, Grady, who comes in. We get a lot of information about Medicaid being cut because of a mail forwarding error. And I think it's time.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. Deb, you want. You want to cue that thing up for us?

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah. I mean, classic Medicaid conversation. Information dump from the pit.

[Rob Mahoney]

We got a clerical error, no less.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right? Right. A mail Forwarding error. But also like, like the Diaz's. She finds herself in a space where she's just like, I'm a hairstylist. I don't have like, you know, steady pay stubs. My, you know, my money comes and goes. So in terms of qualifying for help, she's screwed in several ways. This case is also here to show Dr. Henderson's extreme competence, which we get all episode. Bearing in mind that the night shift is quite fresh on. On the shift. And then Dr. Langdon up and freaking out about his. His fuck up, his oversight.

[Rob Mahoney]

He wants to intubate anything that moves right now.

[Jordan Robinson]

I mean, Frank, clock out. I think you could be done.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, it's time. I think at least go do some scanning.

[Jordan Robinson]

But I. I just think that like Mel offering him that support and him being like, well, Robbie's been riding me all day. True. What did you think was gonna happen? But her being like, Robbie's leaving. You just have to make it through one day.

[Rob Mahoney]

You can leave a couple hours, you

[Jordan Robinson]

can leave right now.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's true.

[Jordan Robinson]

And then that problem is done for you.

[Rob Mahoney]

Imagine that.

[Jordan Robinson]

But also her very emotionally being like, Robbie's leaving. Robbie, who's so famous that Becca knows who Robbie is. The famous Dr. Rabinovitch. I don't want you to leave too. Right. A beautiful moment.

[Rob Mahoney]

It is a beautiful moment. I would say, like philosophically, Jo, do you identify more as a Nietzsche or a Kelly Clarkson?

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah, thanks so much for asking. I'm a bit more Nietzsche than I am Kelly Clarkson. How about you?

[Rob Mahoney]

I think I might be more Kelly Clarkson.

[Jordan Robinson]

You might be more Kelly Clarkson. But this is a follow up to season one. Mel King soothing herself with pop music is a pretty great one too.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think I'm down for any of those montages they want to hit us with. Mel walking home at the end of every shift. I know she has to pick up Becca sometimes, but like, not today. Just throw in the earbuds. You know, whether it's Megan, whether it's Kelly, whatever we got going, I'm down for it.

[Jordan Robinson]

And then Grady thanking Dr. Langdon. Right. I was really scared. Thank you. And this is, once again underlines what Whitaker will say to Ogilvy, which is like being there for people on their worst day. Hey, that's what this show is about, right? That's. That's the theme of the show. But I thought that was like a really beautiful moment.

[Rob Mahoney]

I like this one even more just because of the complexity of it.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right. I mean, Whitaker just said the thing which we sometimes do not like. That the pit does, where they're just sort of like, hey, did you know the thesis of our show is we're here for people on the worst day of their life, but more nuanced. In what way do you want to say?

[Rob Mahoney]

Well, I just want to say that Langdon is receiving a thanks for something that he feels he did not do. Right. Like, he did not. He tried to do something and wanted to do something very dangerous.

[Jordan Robinson]

He did do some things.

[Rob Mahoney]

Absolutely.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Rob Mahoney]

But I'm saying, like, he's clearly feeling so conflicted and heavy in the moment about the risks that he was willing to take. Cause he didn't know about the collapse lung. And to me, that's why when he. When Grady does say thank you, he almost, like, doesn't know what to say. And it's Mel who sort of accepts it on their behalf.

[Jordan Robinson]

I sort of. I read that a little differently. I hear what you're saying, but, like, I read it a little more like, I did do something which was, like, emotionally help this kid, even if I had the wrong idea about what to do. It was a team effort.

[Rob Mahoney]

But, like, it was a team effort.

[Jordan Robinson]

You know, he was there at the, you know, initial intake of Grady and just sort of was bustling around in a way that emotionally made Grady feel better, even if it was Dr. Henderson's finger in his ribcage that really sort of saved the day there. So I could have lived without saying that. Okay, wrapping up Ogilvy, let's talk about Whitaker. Ogilvy. So we've been sort of expecting this all season. Like, again, our expectation of the pit now is that they're going to present us with a character we don't like and then force us to confront the ways in which we do like them before the shift is over. And so Ogilvy being the absolute inhuman, worst, and then meeting Mr.

[Rob Mahoney]

Okay, that might be a slight exaggeration. He's not a serial killer.

[Jordan Robinson]

He might be. I don't know that he's not. He said some shit that we were like, come on. Would even the worst person say that?

[Rob Mahoney]

And then the tact is not great.

[Jordan Robinson]

And then we got many emails from people being like, actually, yes, but his emotional bond with Mr. Green and then just sort of like Whitaker discovering him and giving him the grace of giving him advice that he received in season one and giving him the grace of, you don't even have to go back in there. I mean, I think he. I presume his keys in his wallet are in his locker, so I think he should have to Go back in there. He should, but let's just assume they're not. And he could just walk home or something like that. I don't know. But I thought this was a lovely moment.

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[Rob Mahoney]

I could see him being a bike rider. I could see him being Joe, one of the people rides around on one of those, like, motorized unicycles. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Jordan Robinson]

Yes, I do. Absolutely not.

[Rob Mahoney]

You don't think he would ride on one of those.

[Jordan Robinson]

A motorized Ogilvy?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Jordan Robinson]

No.

[Rob Mahoney]

Oh, he has that energy to me.

[Jordan Robinson]

No, no, no. That guy might, like, he might roll up one leg of his pants and get on a bike.

[Rob Mahoney]

Sure.

[Jordan Robinson]

But still, I presume he locked that bike and he needs the key to that lock. It's a fair locker. So I just have some questions about that.

[Rob Mahoney]

But I did love this exchange overall. And you're right, it is a little like. Like, let's just say all the stuff out loud. And in particular, I mean, people die, and we do the best we can, but People Die is about as much of a thesis statement for the show as you could make.

[Jordan Robinson]

I think I like being here for people on the worst day of their lives. Hey, that's.

[Rob Mahoney]

The show also hits. Yeah, but I think you need all of it, right? Like, you need the being there for the people on the worst day of their lives. And I think most critically. And what makes the Pit, the Pit is like, you need people who are trying their best, and it's like they're wrong. They're misguided, they're driven by ambition, they're driven by the dynamics of the room, whatever it is. But the earnestly trying is what, to me separates, like a lot of medical dramas from other workplace dramas. Right. There's the infighting and stuff doesn't often come at the expense of patient care, at least directly. We are hopefully, ideally, but like, we're trying to save this person's life in an urgent situation. Usually that's just like, we got to get this blood pressure under control. We got to get this heart rate going, like, whatever it is. And the fact that you can be trying your best and lose people, no matter how good your best is, that's good television. It's good drama. It's good on Whitaker to tell us what to look for in terms of the framing of this show.

[Jordan Robinson]

We'll keep our eye on Duke. We get a diagnosis, right, that he is textbook aortic ascending aneurysm, 50% one year mortality. Not just the diagnosis, but also the prognosis. So something to watch. It's a bad diagnosis. We'll see how Robbie handles it. But, like, I assume that this will be a conversation that is not just related to Duke's future, but also Robbie's future and him going on this trip at all.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, this is the whole point to me of the conversation he's having about trying to get Duke fast tracked into surgery. Right. He wants to get everything in order before he leaves because he might not come back. And that includes getting his friend, who's a little hesitant to get medical care, into surgery, basically. Not, like, before he can walk it back.

[Jordan Robinson]

You alluded to the detective duo of Robbie and Perla, but Robbie here is here on the case with Dr. Al Hashimi. Right.

[Rob Mahoney]

Unbelievable.

[Jordan Robinson]

Pulling Samira out to ask her about this is, like, one thing. Him, like, asking her, how long did you work with Dr. Al Hashimi at the VA or whatever while they're working on Orlando is.

[Rob Mahoney]

Again, this man has a drill in his skull. And you're like, this is the time, not the time.

[Jordan Robinson]

He confronts her. She brushes it off. But I assume we're going to. This is all going to come to a head in the next two episodes.

[Rob Mahoney]

I mean, he's just looking for literally any reason to not leave. And so he has drummed up one. And the fact that he can be suspicious of Dr. Elishimi, of all people, I mean, just makes it that much easier.

[Jordan Robinson]

Sunburn bikini babe. As our new, like, furry is, I'm a big fan of. I. I suggest a drinking game. Take a shot, I think preferably a red, white, or blue jello shot. Anytime you see the sunburn victim walk back and forth in the frame.

[Rob Mahoney]

But not red, white, or blue magnetic jewelry.

[Jordan Robinson]

Nope, just the jello shots. Someone compared. Someone, I think, in our comments, compared her to. Are you aware of the Llama Lincoln Showgirl bit from SNL?

[Rob Mahoney]

No.

[Jordan Robinson]

This is from, like, the very beginning of SNL's history. I wrote an article on it years ago. But like that. In the. In the background of a lot of. Not a lot, but occasionally in the background, if you are. If they're filming the hallway, like, in the hallway. Offset. In the background, you will see someone dresses Lincoln. Someone dresses a show girl or a llama. And it's just sort of like a visual gag that they have used since the 70s on SNL. So I like the idea of, like, the furry.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yes.

[Jordan Robinson]

And the sunburned bikini babe. And like, let's think of a third one as.

[Rob Mahoney]

There's gotta be a good one.

[Jordan Robinson]

Llama Lincoln Showgirl of. Of the Pit. I'm a big fan.

[Rob Mahoney]

If you have a finish to our Tic tac toe Prestige, TBS, Spotify.com, please.

[Jordan Robinson]

Our last case before we get to this sort of casting spoiler that you wanted to talk about is. It's Sarah Wiley is Noah Wiley's wife.

[Rob Mahoney]

It sure is.

[Jordan Robinson]

As Ashley Davis. And I just have to say, as someone who lives in crunchy Northern California for another week in crunchy Northern California and hangs out with a lot of crunchy Northern California people.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yep.

[Jordan Robinson]

My pal and I were watching this episode together. We were like, this is a supplements issue. Like, immediately we're like, this is what this is. Not that it was tumeric necessarily, but we were just sort of like this chick who's like, I'm a vegan. We were like, this is a supplements issue. McKay coming to Santos and being like, you're great with. You're great at figuring out the weird stuff. And I thought Santos is like, I

[Rob Mahoney]

actually say that about you, Joe.

[Jordan Robinson]

Do you?

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah. If I needed someone to crack the real weird stuff, I feel like I would bring it to you.

[Jordan Robinson]

Well, I just look at the online trends, just think about what's the stupidest thing that someone could do and, like, assume that they've done it. But I loved Santos is like very casual, like, oh, yeah, Sleep maxing. Oh, sure. Cold room. Eye mask. I mean, honestly, the way she described it, I was like, I think I might be a sleep maxer, perhaps, but I don't take turmeric, so it's okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

You're getting those numbers up though.

[Jordan Robinson]

Cold room. Yeah, we've already. You and I have already talked about eye masks and how we enjoy them. White noise.

[Rob Mahoney]

I guess I'm unintentionally sleep maxing. My only problem is I'm just getting like five hours of sleep.

[Jordan Robinson]

Your white noise is like, whatever's playing on the television.

[Rob Mahoney]

Don't worry about it.

[Jordan Robinson]

The Ravi style white noise. Anyway, so Santa's being both good at diagnosing and too caustic for Dr. McKay. Is she the Dr. Gregory House of this show?

[Rob Mahoney]

Wow. I hadn't put it together, but kinda terrible bedside manner.

[Jordan Robinson]

Really good at the weird stuff.

[Rob Mahoney]

Really good at the weird stuff. And this is the part of Santos too, that you just, like, can't defend. I can justify and explain a lot of what she does this part.

[Jordan Robinson]

Like, but she's both really good at something and then like, horribly dim view of humanity side by side. That's the Santos brew.

[Rob Mahoney]

You know, I think she. She crosses within this conversation the line from like healthy cynicism to like outright hostility.

[Jordan Robinson]

Absolutely.

[Rob Mahoney]

And to me it's the difference between what's the stupidest thing a person could do? And I assume they did it like that I think is like good cynicism for a doctor.

[Jordan Robinson]

And then she keeps going.

[Rob Mahoney]

Yeah, the like, she did it because she's a big fucking. An idiot.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah. And Cassie's like, okay, let me slowly

[Rob Mahoney]

back away from this conversation at an

[Jordan Robinson]

art gallery to get to. Okay.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think especially like because this case supplements and all Our lady in turmeric. Like, she's trying to be healthy. Right. She's taking information from sources she probably should.

[Jordan Robinson]

This is not, this is not any better than doctor than like measles mom. I think like, no, it's better, I think.

[Rob Mahoney]

But that's, that's an unfair comparison.

[Jordan Robinson]

I don't know. It's about like googling shit and feeling like you know better than medical experts.

[Rob Mahoney]

That's fair. But I feel like we're all trying to hastily research with the time that we have in our lives the best medical and health related information we can find. And so inevitably your wires are going to get crossed. And Santos even says like the resources you would check it against are mostly toxic waste dumps right now.

[Jordan Robinson]

Right. Well, yeah, you don't go well, CD Yeah. Living out with the pay. You don't go on the CDC website, I guess. But also like, you don't just go on Reddit and be like, everyone's drinking turmeric tea. I guess the more turmeric the better. Like anyway, great, great performance in, in sort of jaundice makeup from Sarah Wiley, I thought. Okay, last but not least to wrap things up, we are going to talk about this casting spoiler. There's some casting news that Rob does not want to poison your minds with if you've somehow avoided it. So leave, leave, leave. If you haven't left already.

[Rob Mahoney]

Seriously, like, I think this is a big deal if you are not plugged in on this stuff.

[Jordan Robinson]

Okay, you want to go for it?

[Rob Mahoney]

I would like to disclose post spoiler leave if you are so inclined. There was this report today from Variety, a double scoop that Aisha Harris who plays Ellis is gonna be a full time cast member for season three. We love to hear it.

[Jordan Robinson]

We love it.

[Rob Mahoney]

The trade off. Supriya Ganesh plays Mohan. Not going to be in season three. We'll be departing the show. Obviously there's been a lot of story related trail leading to this point. We have been breadcrumbed all throughout this season.

[Jordan Robinson]

We Were hoping for, like, a resurgence from Mohan, but it might just be a complete flame out from her.

[Rob Mahoney]

Just straight off the cliff into geriatrics or whatever she. Or maybe out of medicine. Honestly, like, she's had such a day.

[Jordan Robinson]

I hope not.

[Rob Mahoney]

I think you could see a lot of potential outcomes for her. There's a lot of ways to, like, parson read the news. But, like, how. How did it hit you, Joe?

[Jordan Robinson]

Aisha Harris, who we love, is Dr. Ellis. I'll start there. She wrote on her Instagram. Dr. Ellis got student loans to pay off. We gotta work a double shift. Been wanting to share this news for a while now. And then she also shouted out Supriya in her. Her post. And she said, to quote my girl, thank you for being a real one from day one. So love to Supriya Ganesh who's leaving. And joy from Aisha Harris of being. And we love Dr. Ellis, so we're thrilled about that. I do raise an eyebrow. I don't think it's a coincidental double scoop for them to be like, hi, another woman of color is leaving our sack. But don't worry, we've already filled her in with a different woman of color. So one in, one out. Don't worry about it.

[Rob Mahoney]

Like, it's a little messy.

[Jordan Robinson]

Not my fave. But something that we've been talking about and a lot of our listeners in the medical community have written in about this, is that the nature of a teaching hospital is that even if Samira did not have the worst day of her life, like, these people rotate in and rotate out all the time. The creators of the Pit have talked about this as an opportunity to sort of, like, introduce new people every. You know, we get. Joy and Ogilvy are here this season as our new med students. So, like, and I've been a little worried about that. I'm like, how can they bend the plot to keep so many of our favorites around when, like, the.

[Rob Mahoney]

How long do we keep these high schoolers in high school?

[Jordan Robinson]

Right. Exactly. I don't want saved by the Bella College years. So, like, this is just gonna happen. Um, I'm sad that it's happening this way for Samira, seemingly on, like, a note of defeat and not a I'm excited to go do a fellowship in XYZ. Presumably we'll get another just like with Dr. Collins this season. Presumably we would get another, like, in passing recap of what happened to Dr. Mohan who left the ED but I'm bummed. We love Mohan. We've been talking all season about how much we love her. We love this character. But also, I had actually seen some speculation earlier in the season from the fandom that Supriya specifically. And there's a couple other people, like Sean Hadassey or Patrick Ball, there's a couple people who have, like, started to pop elsewhere in their career because of the Pit, and so they might be better primed than some of the other actors to want to look elsewhere.

[Rob Mahoney]

Sure.

[Jordan Robinson]

You know, like, Cathyn Lanasa is not going to be looking around because she's winning Emmys for playing nurse Dana. But if you're on, like, a big ensemble cast and you're Supriya Ganesh, one of the most beautiful women alive and very talented, like, perhaps you're like, hey, there's some. You know, and she's.

[Rob Mahoney]

Maybe you can book your own pilot.

[Jordan Robinson]

You know, she and Patrick Ball are both doing a lot of stage work, you know, so, like, maybe this is a good thing for her career. But I'm bummed about it, personally. Like, I'm not happy about it.

[Rob Mahoney]

I'm absolutely bereft. Like, Mohan's one of my favorite characters on the show, and I think just such a great, fully realized version of a person working in this setting. And Supriya, I just think, has done a really wonderful job with her. So I get it. I hate it. Thanks. Unfortunate for all involved, especially me and Supriya Ganesh.

[Jordan Robinson]

But this is not to say we're thrilled that Aisha Harris is gonna be here in a more serious fashion. I'll be curious to track other. So what that tells me, especially her post about, like, working a double shift. Like, so it sounds like it's not just Dr. Ellis is moving to the day shift, but that might be a metaphor. It might be, maybe. But Dr. Ellis being there on a double tells us that we're not getting, probably not getting pit nights, even though we had wondered if maybe we would.

[Rob Mahoney]

It's probably true.

[Jordan Robinson]

Chris on the Watch floated this idea of, like, what if we start the shift five hours later so we get just, like, more of the night shift, especially given, like, two new members of the night shift that we met inside of this episode. So we get, like, even more time with Sean Hadassey. I'm certain that the fandom would love that, but that means less time with Dr. Mel King or Dr. Langdon or whoever else your favorite might be.

[Rob Mahoney]

True, you know, but I do feel like in this episode is a testament to it. Some of the best episodes of the Pit are the changeover episodes, and some of that is just that you're getting these people who are haggard and depleted of energy, interacting with new elements for the first time in hours. So if we shift that to mid season, I wouldn't be opposed to. I think it could be an interesting

[Jordan Robinson]

construction, I will say, like comparing, like, Giovanni's hair, which is just like Tino, like your Mateo's, whose curls are crisp and fresh and ready to go.

[Rob Mahoney]

So his curls are just that way all the time.

[Jordan Robinson]

I feel that's true. All right. Anything else you want to hit that we haven't?

[Rob Mahoney]

I did have one more thing I wanted to hit about Dr. Conley and her introduction to the show, just because, I mean, I love everything about that sequence with Javati and specifically using Javati as a counterpoint, who has been on top of her game. We know she knows her stuff. And from the second Dr. Connolly walks in the room, it's like Javati needs a translator. Like, Robbie and Ellis are having to, like, decipher what she's saying in a way that obviously there's hierarchy in the pit. Everyone's reporting to Robbie on the floor, et cetera, et cetera. We just walked through the whole fricking org chart for the night shift, so hopefully you understand that. But there's a hierarchy to the medical specificity of knowledge happening here that I thought was a really cool dynamic to bring in the room. And specifically for someone like Javati, who knows so much to be just completely lost in even trying to keep up with conversation, I think it's.

[Jordan Robinson]

Yeah, I love that. But I also just like. Like the introduction of park the shark. Like, like, let's bring in these various specialists. Like, it's quite. It's quite fun to see the heavy hitters. Yeah, the. All right, that's been the 7pm hour on the pit. Two more hours to go. Devastated. The season's almost over. I know I could take the pit all year round, honestly.

[Rob Mahoney]

So, you know, don't threaten us with a good time. Night shift. And back to the day shift and apparently the medium shift. You know, I think we have lots of variations we can hit.

[Jordan Robinson]

Absolutely. Thank you to Devin Ronaldo for filling in for Kai Grady this week. Thank you to everyone here who's here at Sycamore. It's a whole crew. We're more big fans. We love you guys so much. Thank you to Rob Mahoney.

[Rob Mahoney]

Thank you, Jill.

[Jordan Robinson]

Thanks to our listeners. Keep those emails coming. We'll see you next week. Bye.

[Rob Mahoney]

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