‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 5: “BABY JANE DOE!”

Summary

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The Prestige TV Podcast

Episode: ‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 5: “BABY JANE DOE!”
Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney
Theme: Deep dive and mailbag reactions to “The Pitt” S2E5—medical realism, the ongoing “Baby Jane Doe” mystery, evolving character arcs, workplace drama, and more with signature Ringer humor.

Episode Overview

Joanna and Rob gather for a vibrant, wide-ranging episode to break down the latest hour of The Pitt, Season 2, Episode 5 (“BABY JANE DOE!”). Their conversation weaves through hilarious social media moments, medical minutiae, workplace rivalries, fan emails (especially from medical professionals), evolving show themes, and looming plotlines—including the fate of Baby Jane Doe and the team’s cherished regular, Louis. The show’s unique blend of dark humor and compassion is on full display, with special attention to recurring feuds, the personal cost of medicine, and the realities of hospital care.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Media, Podcast Community, and Viral “Baby Jane Doe” (01:32–03:11)

• The Pitt has gone “semi-viral” thanks to actress Kathryn Lanasa’s pronunciation of “Baby Jane Doe.”
• Joanna and Rob offer their own impressions of the character’s iconic delivery, aiming for a social media clip.
• Listeners are invited to send their own “Baby Jane Doe” impressions (03:34).
• Memorable Quote:
  Rob: “The relish on the ‘doe’ clearly is the ‘Baby Jane diao.’” (02:45)

2. Listener Mailbag: Medical Accuracy & Ethics (04:02–10:16)

• Doctor-Patient Boundaries: Multiple emails clarify that while doctors dating patients is not illegal, it can trigger serious professional consequences—up to losing a medical license, depending on the state.
• Hand Hygiene, Antibiotic Resistance, and MRSA:
  • Listeners (including medical students) correct previous remarks, stressing the importance of completing antibiotics and hand-washing with soap and water over just sanitizer (05:06).
  • Quote:
    “Germs can’t build up resistance to mechanical friction.” – Med student Cameron, cited by Joanna (05:44)
• The UK’s “Black Wednesday” vs. US’s Pre-Thanksgiving “Black Wednesday”:
  • Cultural differences in hospital mishaps and turnover are discussed via listener emails (06:06–07:13).
• Nursing Students Under Fire:
  • Dr. Maryam, a nurse, critiques the show’s portrayal of Emma as unprepared, citing inaccurate medical technique (e.g., grabbing a curtain with gloves on post-procedure).
  • Quote:
    “That was fudgeing wild. That is so gross. It would never happen unless the doctor was absolutely terrible.” – Rob (08:01)

3. Food Tangents: Chilaquiles, Water Parks, and the Miscellaneous Joys of Podcasting (10:20–15:36)

• Joanna’s chilaquiles recipe prompts a listener to try and love the dish, while Rob expresses devotion to combining red and green sauce (11:20).
• The sociology of water parks comes up (14:00), with Rob traumatized from a cricket infestation in childhood.
• Quote:
  Joanna: “That was a biblical event you experienced. So outside of that, you’re pro-water park?” (15:14)

4. Astrology & Podcast Chemistry (17:04–18:22)

• Podcast astrological signs are revealed: Rob (Cancer), Kai (Capricorn), Joanna (Libra), and a listener provides a reading, suggesting their dynamic balance harmonizes the show.
• Quote:
  “Libra just am here to balance the equation, apparently.” – Joanna (17:24)

5. The Literature of Monster Romance (Morning Glory Milking Farm) (18:22–20:26)

• A deep (and hilarious) tangent on the “Morning Glory Milking Farm” series and the appeal of monster romance in popular fiction.
• Joanna and Rob debate the mythical credibility of Mothman as a love interest.
• Quote:
  Rob: “I can understand the vaguely sexual appeal and the dangerous draw of many mythical creatures. A Mothman...” (19:10)

6. Hospital Feuds and Representation of Accessibility (21:53–24:43)

• Nurses vs. Lab Techs: An ongoing, “vicious” feud at one listener’s hospital, reflected by The Pitt's attention to labeling protocol (21:53).
• Deaf Patient Representation:
  • Listeners highlight the importance of respectful communication with deaf patients. Praise for Donnie’s on-the-job learning (23:36).
  • Rob and Joanna appreciate The Pitt’s willingness to show characters as both heroic and fallible.

7. Mel’s Asexuality and Victoria’s Influencer Arc (25:55–27:53)

• Taylor Dearden (Mel) has stated she sees the character as asexual, and fans discuss Mel’s self-possession at work (26:02).
• Victoria’s influencer roots and TikTok rise were seeded last season; commentary from the actress about online communities and generational divides (27:39).
• Quote:
  Joanna: “...She’s a really isolated kid. She’s significantly younger than all of her peers and she has been for basically forever... I think that her TikTok is a beautiful thing.” (27:36)

8. Main Episode Breakdown: Character Dynamics, Medical Quandaries, and Plot Threads

8.1. Robbie vs. Langdon & The Cost of Maverick Medicine (29:01–34:14)

• Langdon’s Recovery & Honesty:
  • Langdon, recently out of rehab, is honest and self-deprecating, which Robbie finds threatening and “kryptonite” to his unexamined persona (32:53).
  • Quote:
    Joanna (via Noah Wylie interview): “To the unexamined person, Robbie, that’s kryptonite. ... Langdon represents someone who’s had the courage to face his demons.” (32:32)
• Medical Ethics and Risk:
  • Robbie’s care is becoming erratic, more focused on rivalry than patient well-being. He’s impulsively slicing open a woman’s leg—questionable ethically, possibly opening the hospital to lawsuits.

8.2. Dr. Al Hashimi, AI, and Anti-Burnout Tech (34:31–37:44)

• Dr. Al pressures Santos to use her generative AI app for charting, which draws the hosts’ skepticism.
• Her management style resonates as cold and disruptive to an established team, although she shows warmth with certain staff.
• Quote:
  “This is a woman who’s, yes, very qualified, very sharp, walked into a new workplace and led with, ‘You’re doing everything wrong, and I’m going to implement systems to fix all of the shit you’re doing’...” – Rob (37:18)

8.3. Character Evolution: Joy, Ogilvy, and Emotional Trauma (38:32–41:25)

• Joy’s “street smarts” and financial survival knowledge shine in the Diaz family storyline, revealing invisible trauma from navigating a parent’s illness in the system.
• Dr. Mohan is lauded for quickly admitting mistakes and collaborating.
• Discussion of the emotional consequences of repeated exposure to patient death and the different defense mechanisms characters use to cope.

8.4. Relationships, Social Isolation, and Therapy Avoidance (43:02–49:22)

• Robbie’s penchant for shallow, fleeting connections is likened to ER’s Dr. Doug Ross (“flirts with connection but isn’t capable of it,” 45:51).
• His “relationship” with Noelle is professional, always with an “escape hatch.”
• Quote:
  “Robbie’s got a social life where there’s always an out, there’s always an escape hatch, there’s always a ticking clock…” – Noah Wylie via Joanna (45:56)

8.5. Medicine’s Emotional Cost: Death, Guilt, and the Weight of Louis’ Decline (67:42–74:46 [01:07:42–01:14:46])

• The fate of beloved regular patient Louis hangs in the balance. Rob and Joanna expect the show to handle his illness gravely, not as a cheap cliffhanger.
• The ripple effect of Louis’ decline is explored—not just for the staff, but as commentary on “the family” that patients and doctors become in the ED.
• Quote:
  Rob: “All of the saddest things we’ve seen on The Pitt to date have mostly been people who have no association with the doctors. Louis is not a random stranger... and that is kind of Robbie’s general zone, and it’s certainly his general zone with somebody who he feels like he knows well enough to know Louis…” (74:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rob (on Baby Jane Doe impressions, 02:45):
  “The relish on the 'doe' clearly is the 'Baby Jane diao.'”
• Listener Med Student Cameron, cited by Joanna (05:44): “Germs can’t build up resistance to mechanical friction.”
• Joanna (on introducing listeners to chilaquiles, 11:06):
  “I’ve never felt more like I’ve done more good in this world than to introduce someone to chilaquiles. I’m being honest.”
• Joanna (on Dr. Langdon’s honesty and Robbie’s defensiveness, 32:32):
  “Langdon represents somebody who’s just come back from the therapeutic road... To the unexamined person, Robbie, that’s kryptonite.”
• Rob (on the eternal hospital feud, 21:53):
  “‘Their battles are many... These people’s grandchildren will still be fighting over whether or not a particular fluid sample needs to be double bagged in the pneumatic tube system.’”
• Joanna (on Dr. Banks and end-of-life storylines, 56:32):
  “She’s forced to confront in this episode, like... meeting this woman Roxy, who is like a similar age to her, with similarly aged kids going through end of life care... you can see her world getting smaller and smaller and smaller.”
• Rob (on Robbie’s lack of real relationships, 45:56):
  “Robbie’s got a social life where there’s always an out, there’s always an escape hatch, there’s always a ticking clock…”
• Joanna (on the show’s approach to character arcs, 24:07):
  “We really like that the show... everyone has a chance to be a hero and then fuck up and then be a hero and then fuck up.”
• Rob (on the inevitability of loss in the ER, 72:41): “...the realities of working in this environment, as tragic and traumatizing as that might feel to Joy, is like, you just have to do this over and over..."

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Important Timestamps

• [01:21] Opening / Social Media Banter
• [03:11] Listener Mailbag Begins
• [05:04] Medical Accuracy Corrections
• [10:20] Chilaquiles Recipe & Food Tangents
• [14:00] Water Park Culture
• [18:22] Morning Glory Milking Farm Segment
• [21:53] Hospital Feuds (Nurses vs. Lab)
• [23:36] Accessibility in Medicine
• [29:01] Main Episode Breakdown: Robbie/Langdon Tension
• [34:31] Dr. Alashimi, AI, and Staff Dynamics
• [38:32] Joy’s Backstory and the Diaz Family
• [43:02] Robbie’s Social Isolation and ER Archetypes
• [56:18] Roxy & End-of-Life Arc
• [67:42] The Fate of Louis: Emotional Payoff Looms

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Flow of the Episode

• Begins with high-energy, witty banter and listener engagement via social media.
• Transitions to detailed, lighthearted exploration of fan mail—often with insights from real-life medical professionals correcting and contextualizing show events (adds both humor and realism).
• Dives into “The Pitt” proper, switching between characters’ arcs and the broader implications for health care, workplace culture, and emotional realities.
• Sprinkles in discussion of hospital food, water parks, astrology, and monster romance fiction, keeping the tone lively and unpredictable.
• Concludes on a more somber note regarding the likely death of Louis, the impact of grief on the staff, and the lasting lessons the show imparts.
• Ends with invitations for further listener engagement and signature comedic spin.

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends sharp critical analysis, fan-driven perspectives, and the hosts’ hallmark warmth and humor. It’s a must-listen for those invested in The Pitt’s evolving world, medical drama realism, and the ways that both tragedy and laughter shape hospital life—on TV and off.

Transcript

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[B]

Hello. Welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast feed. I'm Dwayne Robinson.

[C]

I'm Rob Mahoney and we're here to.

[B]

Talk to you about the pit. Season two it is. What time? 11:00am 11:00am 11:00am Eleven a.m. in the pit.

[C]

It's 11:00am Jo, where. Where are the babies? Where is baby Jane Doe? How is she doing?

[B]

I can't believe you're already here. Our beloved producer Kai has requested a social media clip from us. By the way, where can people follow us on social media?

[C]

They can follow us for sure. I will get this 100% correct. Yeah, prestige TV pod on both Instagram and TikTok.

[B]

You nailed it.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

We would love to see those numbers grow. And I guess we're gonna embarrass ourselves right now in pursuit of that.

[C]

I mean, let's see. Let's see how it goes.

[B]

Okay, so here's the deal. If you're not hip to what's happening on da pit social media, Kathryn Lanasa, who plays the icon the queen, Dana Evans RN has gone semi viral for her pronunciation of the missing baby Y. Not the missing baby, the. The mystery baby kind of missing.

[C]

It's missing from the pit.

[B]

Checked on baby Jane Doe. Looking good, taking formula. Well, I would like to hear your impression.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Of Dana saying I don't know. What is it, Kai? What's the latest on baby J do?

[C]

What's the baby Jane Doe? I think it's just the name. That's the Important part. I think it's a. To me, the most important part, the relish on the dough clearly is the Baby Jane diao.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

You really got to chop it.

[B]

You went very spicy on it.

[C]

That's what she does.

[B]

Baby Jane Doe.

[C]

Oh, see, see, like you're getting the. The muddle consonant in a way. That's really important too. On the Jane.

[B]

Baby Jane doubt. Baby do.

[C]

That's how she says it. I don't know what to tell you.

[B]

That's not how anyone has ever said.

[C]

If you overlay my read with her read, you won't even be able to tell the difference. I'm not sure you want that, Rob.

[B]

Rob, like Victoria Giovanni, is just looking to go viral on social media doing whatever he can. So that is press UTV pod on Instagram. If you just want to relive that experience over and over again of what Rob just did.

[C]

I certainly don't.

[B]

Or on TikTok, as I am told. Okay. Also, where can folks reach us if they want to give us their impressions of baby Jane Doe in text form or.

[C]

I would welcome that. If you want to take a video or an audio clip, a voice memo of yourself doing the read, I would welcome it. You can email us always. Prestige [e-mail] but most certainly doctorsidebangsmail.com that is Dr. Dr. Fully spelled out.

[B]

Yeah, that's correct. Okay. We've got a bunch of emails that I want to get to. You guys are really showing up. Especially the medical professionals are really showing up on the pit.

[C]

They were really ahead of the whole, like, flesh eating bacteria situation, I have to say.

[B]

Yes. And someone told us not to Google image search it. And guess what? I sure did do it. Anyway, we'll get to that. All right. Several people have wrote in to let us know it's not illegal what our patron saint, Dr. Sidebanks did in terms of making a date with her patient. We were talking about the legality.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Not illegal. Frowned upon in this establishment.

[C]

Clearly.

[B]

And depending on which state you're registered in, you could lose your license if it comes to light. But not. You're not going to jail. No, but you could lose your license depending if you get found out or what state you're practicing in.

[C]

Totally. To be the consensus, we regret the error. There could be, though, gross professional repercussions.

[B]

Speaking of regrettable errors, I apologize to Purell and the entire hand sanitizer community. I apologize to you, Rob, if you. If you refrained from sanitizing your hand.

[C]

This week, I can Assure you I did not.

[B]

Okay, great, keep using it. Okay, I was incorrect with that. But also this has to do with the mrsa, which it turns out it's not actually mrsa.

[C]

Not super relevant.

[B]

But in terms of mrsa, if you're prescribed a course of antibiotics, finish it. Don't say I feel better. And then don't you have to finish your course of antibiotics. That's one very important thing. Another thing, our soon to be Dr. Cameron med student Cameron wrote in to let us know. Antibiotic resistance is caused by over prescription slash inadequate treatment of bacteria via medications only. Things like hand sanitizers can create resistance to hand sanitizer, but it won't create resistance to medications without said Rob Mahoney. The best way to present prevent resistance is good old soap and water and hand washing. Germs can't build up resistance to mechanical friction. So do you wash your hands, Rob?

[C]

Yes. What kind of question is that?

[B]

I don't know. Some people just carry around Purell and they skip the sink. You do both is what you're saying.

[C]

I do want a shirt though that says germs can't build up resistance to mechanical friction. I just think it's really punchy.

[B]

It's pretty sick. Okay. Also soon to be Dr. Khadijah wrote in we love hearing from the medical students who said in the UK in the NHS it's not called the July effect, it's called Black Wednesday. She said, here's the first of.

[C]

First of all, it would be no everything. Everything is so much more dramatic there.

[B]

Do you know, have you heard of Black Wednesday in here in the US.

[C]

What is Black Wednesday here?

[B]

I'm gonna come back to it. Let's just finish up. Khadijah says in the UK there's a phenomenon in the NHS in August when newly graduated foundation doctors start working in their new hospital trust for the next two years known as Black Wednesday. So here in the US and this is just told to me once by a taxi driver, so it may not be a real thing outside of this one. Taxi driver. Yeah. But he told me that the Wednesday before Thanksgiving when all the young people have come back to their hometown but don't want to spend time with their.

[C]

Family, are getting blackout drunk, get blackout.

[B]

Drunk on the Wednesday and the taxi see a lot of hot messes on a Wednesday night. So that they call that Black Wednesday.

[C]

I just think marketing wise, like we already have Black Friday that week. I think we need a new name for that Wednesday.

[B]

Okay. Do you want to, do you want to Give a suggestion.

[C]

I think we need to throw it to committee. I don't have one. Off the top. Off the top of the dome, but Dr. [e-mail]. i think we can do better.

[B]

Okay. Dr. Marianne wrote in to let us know. I'm just, like, leaving off people's last name in case, like, they don't want their entire professional career put on blast. Dr. Maryam was a. Is a bit underwhelmed with representation of nursing students when it comes to Emma. Right. She's like, emma should know way more than she's been know. Been shown to know. Her being uneasy about starting an IV seems really unlikely. That would just been part of her training. I'm curious if her character is rubbing nurses the wrong way too. Maybe I just don't understand their training. And then, I mean, she had a whole laundry list of issues. This one really stuck out to me and might. And to you, Mr. Purell himself. It might stick out to you too. After Dr. Side Bangs reduces the guy's fractured tailbone, she grabs the curtain with her gloves on.

[C]

That was fudgeing wild.

[B]

That is so gross. It would never happen unless the doctor was absolutely terrible. Seems like a medical consultant would have caught that one. So we understand that she was trying to avoid, like, she's like, I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to give you my number. I don't want to do anything like that.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

But gloves off before we touch anything else.

[C]

That would be like the Robbie takes.

[B]

His glove off before he touches that woman's phone in this episode.

[C]

Rightly so. You can't be cross contaminating like that. I mean, touching the curtain to me is like, if Ogilvy, after taking the absolute explosion in this episode, then went and, like, slip and slid down the.

[B]

Hall, oh, my God.

[C]

You simply can't do it.

[B]

How did it fill your heart with joy? The way it filled my heart with joy when Ogilvy just got like, the full blast of that poor woman's backed up material.

[C]

I think it's what we needed to, like, I deserve it. You need the cathartic moment of absolute. I need to see Ogilvy covered in explosive shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But also, you know, starting to come around on like, man, that. That really does suck to be in that position. Sometimes you are the patient impacted. Sometimes you're the med student impacted, if you know what I mean.

[B]

That's very philosophical of you, Rahoney. Before we get to our next topic, because it's chil Achilles and I don't want to say it. Say anything about it in close proximity to what you just said. Okay, I'd like to take a huge detour.

[C]

Let's zag.

[B]

Before we started recording, you let Kai and me know that the reason that you have such enviable posture that many people who watch these podcasts comment on is because you were in.

[C]

That cannot be true.

[B]

It is a fact, Kai. Corroborate.

[C]

Yeah, it's true.

[B]

It's a fact. Is because you were in youth orchestra.

[C]

Well, I was in middle school and high school orchestra.

[B]

And what instrument did you play?

[C]

What do you think?

[B]

Oh, wow, that's a great question. You know, that would give you such good posture, like a wood wind instruments.

[C]

Well, first of all, it's orchestra, so it's strings only.

[B]

Oh, damn.

[C]

You know, we're not full band. Were you a cello, Rob? I was not a cello. I probably should have been more of a cello bass. But violin? No, I'm too alt for violin. I had to go viola. You know, we gotta split the difference. I was an exceptionally mediocre viola player. Okay, but you know what? You gotta sit up straight one way or the other.

[B]

What do you think it would take for you to play viola on this viola?

[C]

Respect my culture.

[B]

I was correcting it before you said it. Viola on this podcast.

[C]

There's not enough money in the world, okay?

[B]

Simply not even if you put up a GoFundMe, okay?

[C]

Not a chance. Not going to happen. Haven't I suffered enough professional humiliation this week, baby chain?

[B]

Duh. All right, Dr. Sidebags, if you have an offer to get Rob Mahoney to play an instrument on this podcast, okay. Tom wrote in to say I'd like to thank the two of you for your treatise in defense of tulaquilis. I'd actually never heard of chilaquiles until your last podcast. But being the curious cook that I am, looked up some recipes online, made some this morning. They are amazing. Thank you so much for introducing these gems to my cooking repertoire. Have to ask, are you green or red sauce fans? First of all, this is like the thrill of my lifetime that someone made chilaquiles for the first time because we were talking about it on a podcast. I've never felt more like I've done more good in this world than to introduce someone to chilaquiles. I'm being honest.

[C]

It's always nice to think that we create the kind of podcast that would bring people together. But if I'm being totally honest, I would rather bring a person and chilaquiles together than any number of people.

[B]

That's a match made in heaven. Do you want to answer his red or green sauce?

[C]

I'm kind of a. Why not both?

[B]

Yeah. And that's. That brings me to my. My chilaquiles recipe, which I would like to share with you right now.

[C]

Yeah, walk us through it.

[B]

All of these measurements are done with love, so I have no. I have no actual measurements here. Okay.

[C]

Is that your general cooking vibe? Just like.

[B]

No, but chilaquiles is, like, very forgiving. I think in something like this, it.

[C]

Is by feel a little.

[B]

But, like, you know, if you're baking, that's a science. And, like, you know, sometimes when you're cooking, it's an art. Okay, so you take chipotle's and adobo. Yep. And you chop them up and you fry them with some, you know, diced onion in a cast iron skillet. Right. So get that. Like, that's. That's an excellent base for anything.

[C]

Classic for a reason.

[B]

Okay. You add either broken up tostadas or chips, if you prefer. I like the broken up tostadas, but just because it gives, like, a nice irregular sort of experience there. And then you. I add, like, green sauce, Green enchilada sauce. Oh, I don't make my own. Would you make your own, like, tomatillo sauce from scratch?

[C]

Well, it depends on the function.

[B]

Seems like you're that kind of guy.

[C]

If it is, like, I'm just like, try to whip up a hangover cure for myself, then. Yeah. If you got the bottled stuff, use it. But also, if you're gonna do it and you have time to do it right, do it right.

[B]

Great. Okay, so you've got chipotles and adobo onions. Your chip or your tostada, your green sauce. And the sauciness, that's up to you. That's between you and your God. How saucy. You want to make your chili quilt?

[C]

I feel like it's got to be saucy. What are we doing?

[B]

Saucy, but not, like, it's not soupy.

[C]

No, no, no, no. That's almost a different dish.

[B]

Dry chilaquile. But I'm just saying, like, you know, sauce with your heart.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Open.

[C]

I think you want to walk the line of maximum absorption without the aforementioned soupiness.

[B]

You don't want soggy. Total sog. Okay. Then you make little nests, like, you know, like little divots to crack the eggs.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Right. Then you take that whole skillet and you put it in the oven.

[C]

So you've got kind of like a shakshuka situation brewing in terms of the. The nest.

[B]

Yeah. And then. And then partway through, you take it out and you put the cotija cheese, of course, all over. But you wait till the eggs cook a little bit because you don't want just like egg cheese mess. Right. Situation. And then you wait until your eggs are cooked to your desired level of sort of sunny side up or whatever. You don't like, don't hard boil them, but they're in the oven. It's fin. Fine. And then serve with avocado crema, small diced red onion, cilantro and more cotija on the side.

[C]

Lime squeeze.

[B]

Oh, a lime squeeze. Of course. Thank you for catching me in on that. Anyway, that's my chili Giles recipe.

[C]

It sounds lovely.

[B]

Yeah, you just like. And you don't need like a cup of this or a, you know, as many Chipotle's and Adobo as you can handle, but that's a little bit of like a red and a green situation together, so. So that's what I would say.

[C]

I think your vision is beautiful.

[B]

Um, that's an extremely white person's chil Achilles, though, so if I have offended anyone, please let me know. We love a finger wag. I should mention our chili Killes patient in this episode. Feeling fine on some Zofran.

[C]

Imagine that.

[B]

Going to the water park.

[C]

Yeah, that's a bad idea. But the first part. Totally fine.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Robbie and and Dana are both like water park cesspool. Yeah. You agree? Of course you do. After Purell, you agree.

[C]

Well, look, it's just logic. That's a lot of fun.

[B]

Did you never have fun at a water park when you were a child?

[C]

Of course I did.

[B]

Okay. What's the water park culture like in Texas?

[C]

It was quite robust.

[B]

Okay. Do you have like, extremely hot.

[C]

There's like a six flag spin off. At least there used to be. I don't know if it's still there. Water park, you know, associate park. I have to say, the moment that radicalized me, I grew up in North Texas. One year in the summer, we had like a plague level cricket event where some migration pattern, swarming pattern, I don't know what it was.

[B]

You angered the Old Testament God.

[C]

Someone did. I didn't do it. I was but a child trying to float down the lazy river. And you come up for air from underwater and the surface of the water is covered in dead crickets. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe I don't need this. Maybe I don't need to be doing this.

[B]

Okay, I'm gonna give you a pass because of this biblical event that you experienced.

[C]

So outside of that, you're pro water park.

[B]

Water parks are great.

[C]

Are they?

[B]

Yeah. Raging Waters, Windsor Waterworks. You're gonna get wet. Come on. It's great.

[C]

Other bodies of water, sure. Even, like a public pool seems orders of magnitude cleaner than whatever's going on at a water park.

[B]

I will say that I have more of a fear of heights now than I did as a child. But I do remember that there were certain water parks where you basically had to hike up several stories of stairs, of probably rickety wooden stairs to get to, like, an obscene height. And then you just fling your body down the slide and you're like, this is fine. This is fine. I'm pro waterpark. That's all I have to say about that. Nat, who runs the no Context, the Pit account on Instagram and Twitter wrote in with a correction for us about the origin of Dr. Robbie's name. Yes. So we had mentioned this connection to a different Dr. Rabinovitch, but Noah Wiley has said that Dr. Robbie is named after his paternal family who are Ukrainian Jews. Rovinsky was the family name. And so he and I think it was John Wells were sort of going back and forth about, like, you know, Robbie and his Jewish faith and. And no Wiley's connection to that. And he said Rovinsky and they, like, were sort of workshopping it and got to Rabinovitch from that. But that is the source of that, so.

[C]

Makes sense. I mean, we did say last week it was just a theory that these people are connected.

[B]

But we. We like facts on this podcast. We certainly do sometimes. Speaking of facts, our listener Renee, who has a. Who has a business read by Renee, did a little star chart work for us.

[C]

Speaking of facts.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. Controvertible facts. To recap, you are a cancer.

[C]

I am.

[B]

Kai is a Capricorn. I'm a Libra. We actually heard from a couple people that cancers and Capricorns are like match made in heaven, sort of.

[C]

You and Kai, this bears out, in my experience. Hear that, Rob?

[B]

Together forever.

[C]

Birds of a feather.

[B]

And then I Eliebrish.

[C]

Birds of a feather. Something. I don't know.

[B]

I. A Libra just am here to balance the equation, apparently. But okay. For Rob, having the sun in cancer means his ego and life force energy, think calling, and what lights him up is tied to Cancerian traits such as caretaking, emotional bonds, having a Good read on others, I. E. Intuition, boundary issues, et cetera.

[C]

Woof. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, he was going.

[C]

Well, I don't like being perceived, but okay.

[B]

Renee said, without knowing everyone's charts, what I'd offer is that your group has a dynamic balance of elements. Libra is Air. Capricorn is Earth, Cancer is water. Capricorn and Cancer are sister signs, which means they are polar opposites and will move through the world in complementary but also starkly different ways. Having a leaper in the mix is hilarious because they're the Peacekeeper and round out the team to ensure everyone is on the same page and collaborating harmoniously.

[C]

I do find that to be true.

[B]

Okay, great. Well, here we are, a perfect trio for a podcast.

[C]

But it sounds like we need. Like, if we have a Firebender in here, all of a sudden, we got a journey going, you know?

[B]

Okay. All right. What's Prince Zuko up to? Let's give him a call. Morning Glory Milking Farm.

[C]

Yeah, I've heard of it.

[B]

Now, couple things. The three of us did discover that there are multiple. Multiple books in this series.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Rob, would you care to share with the class what we learned about the following? So Morning Glory Milking Farm is about a minotaur?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Do you remember Milked? Do you remember who the leading men of the following two books are?

[C]

I was alarmed to find out that it was a Mothman.

[B]

Yeah. That's how you pronounce it, is it? Not Mothman, A Mothman Baby J. D.

[C]

I can understand the vaguely sexual appeal and the dangerous draw of many mythical creatures. A Mothman.

[B]

Kai, did you clip that?

[C]

I'm saying I can understand the appeal. Someone's gonna need to explain Mothman.

[B]

I feel like I already explained it to you. First of all, Kai destroyed his entire algorithm looking this up for us. The Mothman is adjacent to the whole, like, fairy smut movement inside of a Romantasy novel.

[C]

Why not just make him a fairy?

[B]

Because we're dealing with, like, mythological monsters.

[C]

A Mothman is a mythological monster?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is it?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

What mythology?

[B]

There are Mothman horror movies?

[C]

Well, sure. They're prophecies, in fact.

[B]

Okay, great. And the third one was a werewolf, which is, like, kind of basic bitch, to be honest with you.

[C]

Okay, to follow up Minotaur and Mothman with werewolf. I think they could have done better, frankly, at that point.

[B]

The real rise of Skywalker, of this trilogy, our listener, Elsa. Your question was, to quote one of our listeners, how could this be profitable for Frito Lay? You're like, what is the point? Of milking all of these minotaurs.

[C]

Exactly. Well, I think it's just one, right?

[B]

No, it's a milking farm. So I believe it's a whole, like, oh, wow, we have a lead character and her hero, Minotaur, but I think it's a whole farm system of minotaur.

[C]

So she establishes relations with one of the minotaurs on this farm, but presumably not the others.

[B]

Is the plural of minotaur? Minotaurs, I would assume. Okay.

[C]

Minotauri.

[B]

Minotauri. Okay. We are going to talk about the pit in a second.

[C]

I'm not sure we are.

[B]

Elsa wrote in to let us know that the answer is stronger, quote, stronger. Erectile dysfunction medication. Yep. And then she said, anyway, I don't actually want to go into the details of this.

[C]

I like how you crack this door open and then you slam it shut.

[B]

Okay. These last four are very, very on topic. Okay. Jenna wrote. I loved this. Jenna wrote in to let us know that there is an age old, deeply rooted feud in her husband's hospital between nurses and the lab. Did you read this email? Cracked me up. Nurses apparently, quote, never label their samples correctly. And the lab scientists, quote, always send samples back for, quote, frivolous reasons. Their battles are many, Jenna wrote, and vicious. These people's grandchildren will still be fighting over whether or not a particular fluid sample needs to be double bagged in the pneumatic tube system. At the beginning of episode four, I mentioned to my husband that it was so nice the pit lab got the bulimia patients Covid and flu test back so quickly, my husband quipped back. While they probably had to set it back a few times because the goddamn nurses didn't label it correctly, I. Jenna immediately stuck up for our queen Dana, insisting there's no way Dana isn't insisting all of her nursing staff, they label their tubes properly. Cut to several minutes later when Dana tells her nursing student not once but twice that she needs to initial and label the tube with Joy's blood in it. Sweet, sweet victory for me, who loves to be right, as well as victory for those pit lab scientists who probably very much appreciate those impeccably labeled samples.

[C]

Not a victory for Emma, though, who proceeds to throw that tube directly under a rolling cart.

[B]

She's just like, oh, it is.

[C]

To the previous email. Emma's portrayal so far is pretty rough. Like, she's by far the most like, babe in the woods character on this show. Just seems to have the least, like, institutional knowledge, not only of, like, how to operate in this space, but, like, what she is doing on literally any level.

[B]

I'm gonna need some sparkle from Emma soon.

[C]

I hope we get some.

[B]

I don't think we got any Emma in this episode at all. So sparkle soon. To be determined. If you are listening to this podcast and you know of other feuds inside of the hospital nurses VLAB is is a great one to learn about, but if there are other canonical feuds, I would like to hear about them. We love a feud, truly. We got an email from a listener who denied, you know, put her name on the email, but identified as someone who has a son who is deaf. And she said the number of times healthcare providers will look only at me and speak to me instead of to him is honestly staggering. It feels like something that should be obvious. Look at your patient when you're speaking to them and don't talk about them as if they're not there. And yet, sadly, you're. It's incredibly common. I really appreciated the show. Highlighting this and bringing awareness is such an important, often overlooked issue. And I really agree. I don't think we spent a lot of time talking about it, but like, we love Donnie. Donnie is great. Donnie is also new to his position and so is. Is learning on the job here in triage doing a great job, but like kind of fucked it up. In this particular exchange last week, we didn't really talk about it. Anything you want to say?

[C]

I mean, I think the difficulty for people in these spaces, especially in someone in Donnie's position of trying to like maximally absorb the information as it's coming, for which you would want to look at the person who's speaking to you, even though that's technically not the person who's actually conveying this information. It is difficult to walk. And I think especially in these like, ER type environments where it's so fast paced, it's so fast moving. Like this is not, you know, going to see your normal primary care physician and having an established relationship. And I like that we get to see Donnie learning on the job in this way and figuring out how to communicate with different kinds of patients.

[B]

As we've mentioned, we really like that the show. You know, the turnover rate is so fast on these cases that everyone has a chance to be a hero and then fuck up and then be a hero and then fuck up. And so nobody, I mean, maybe Ogilvy in this episode, but nobody is like left hanging out to dry for a while.

[C]

I hope Ogilvy didn't hang that out to dry.

[B]

Gross.

[C]

You gotta wash it.

[B]

You gotta burn it honestly. But like, you know, the rise and fall of these characters is a thing we love about the.

[C]

Yes. So do you think we see any more of that deaf patient?

[B]

Yes, I do.

[C]

I would hope so. I would think of the things kind of lingering in the air. Baby Jane Doe.

[B]

Baby Jane Doe.

[C]

Baby Jane Doe. Harlow, I believe, is the name of the deaf patient. And then Jackson has just woken up for his psych exam.

[B]

Right. We get like a, like we, we interact with Jada slightly this episode, but sort of like in a holding pattern. We'll come. We'll come back to you. Yes. Harlow, I suspect, like, the, the many frustrations of going through this system as someone who can't sort of advocate directly for themselves, I think is something that Pitt would want to sort of show us her entire day here in the ed. All right, last two emails, an anonymous listener wrote in to let us know that Taylor Dearden has said, and I'm quoting an interview. I found this quote in Us Weekly quote, I think Mel is asexual. I don't think that's part of how Mel would think, especially at work. She's a hyper professional. So in terms of like shipping Mel with Langdon or shipping Mel with Boba criminal guy, that's not where Mel's brain is. Now, Mel seemed a little like, hey, this guy was flirting with me. Like, that's kind of nice. But I like that read. Our listeners writing in saying that they really liked the read of Mel. Not oblivious to the fact that the guy was flirting with her, but just like deeply uninterested in just doing her job. You know, try to do her job.

[C]

I mean, we should also say, even if that's true, asexual does not necessarily mean aromantic.

[B]

It's true.

[C]

It doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate a certain kind of affection or attention.

[B]

That's true. Last but not least, several people reminded us that Victoria Javati was also interested in the beauty social influencer who Samira treated for mercury poisoning last season. So she was like, how many followers do you have? And stuff like that. So Giovanni's career as a social media influencer was seeded last season. That was a good remark.

[C]

I think it was. Seated by the state of modern life, you know, just all of this.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then maybe stoked perhaps by hearing that sweet, sweet follower count.

[B]

I do have a. I have a quote from the actress who plays Victoria Javadi about this. So she said in terms of this plot line, like, this isn't the last we'll hear of Dr. J and her. I hope we have a video about tough co workers to hopefully watch. I don't know if we'll get to see any of these videos, but this is what she said about first of all, she said this plotline is here to sort of challenge preconceptions about young women in social media. And then she said, quote, I think her online community has built her self esteem in real life. And she said victoria is part of the iPad generation, quote, it's a place that she's comfortable in a way that other generations I don't think can really relate to. Also, you know, she's a really isolated kid. She's significantly younger than all of her peers and she's been and she has been for basically forever. She's so isolated in real life. So to find any kind of community, whether that's in real life or online, is incredibly valuable to her. I'm really glad that she's like learning to have spaces where she's valued. And I think that her TikTok is a beautiful thing. So I thought that was really sweet.

[C]

I also think it seems like a beautiful thing. I also would not be surprised if in its way it comes with its own professional repercussions. Maybe not legal, as we've made very clear, but for a not doctor to represent herself as a doctor does feel like a problem.

[B]

I think that's illegal. But like I, I do. I. I mean I definitely.

[C]

It seems like it would be, but we don't throw that term around loosely anymore. Joe.

[B]

No frowned upon in this establishment. Could lose your license. But I think, I wonder if there's sort of certain loopholes in. In the social media space. Like if she doesn't like what's her handle? Is her handle Dr. J or it's certainly not med student J. So I don't know. That doesn't SEO sure doesn't. Okay, that's our. I'm telling you these, these mail bags are. I know it's a lot, but that's not even all.

[C]

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[B]

All that we got. We got a lot of great stuff from you guys. Let's get into this episode. It's hour five, 11am And I'm gonna start with might be MRSA, which is not MERSA. This is really. This case really exists to give us more Langdon and Robbie friction. I have a really interesting quote from Noah Wiley about this, but, like, I'm curious, like, did you have a favorite part of this particular interaction? I will just say when they roll the patient at the very beginning of the episode and Donnie is telling, you know, Robbie what's going on, and. And Patrick Ball is laying in, like, sort of heaves a sigh and closes his eyes, like, here we fucking go. I have to deal with this now. I really liked the way that Langdon was pushing back on Robbie, which is something that we said we were missing, definitely. I mean, he seems quite defensive in doing so. I couldn't follow whether or not who was exactly right in that scenario. But again, it's that sort of like someone pushing back on Robbie's orders in a way that we wanted or anything else that you. That you've got inside of the storyline.

[C]

I think even within the gray area of who is exactly right, you see Robbie's care over the course of this episode, I would say deteriorating based on the fact that he seems to be fighting battles everywhere all the time with everyone. Like, he is spinning out in a way that clearly he is oblivious to, but many other people are noticing. And the case with Langdon is a great one, where it's yet another case of a doctor almost, like, not even talking to the patient. Like, he has kind of, like, blocked her out because he is focused on this, like, pissing contest he's having with Langdon about proving whatever Langdon says has to be wrong. It has to be something else. There has to be different criteria.

[B]

Right?

[C]

And this is a side of Robbie that I think is really important to the show because there is the part of him that is impulsive in a way that will grab that woman's phone and. And tell her boss, like, back off.

[B]

She'll sue you.

[C]

I will back her up, and she will sue you. There's also the part of him that will slice open that woman's leg with a scalpel just to kind of like, prove a point. And so you need all of that stuff.

[B]

Prove a point, but get her the care she needs as quickly as. As he can get it. Maybe potentially save her leg again.

[C]

But this is. This is why this character can exist in this space in the cowboy way that he does. It's like some. Sometimes you got to be the cowboy, but also, it's a little fucked up to do that.

[B]

Definitely Fucked up. We get the July effect. Rears his head again with his surgical consult who comes in.

[C]

We need adults in the room.

[B]

It's like cell phone to take photos for Garcia. We did have some, like, many emails about necrotizing fasciitis. Do not Google that. Don't Google image. Search it. It's not something you'll enjoy.

[C]

Doesn't seem chill.

[B]

No. But here's a new. While this is really fascinating me, here's what he says about Langdon. He says, initially, you believe it's because the student has betrayed the teacher and the friend has lied. Then poke that a little bit more, and you can see where the teacher feels a degree of guilt over having had this happen under his auspices and he didn't notice it and wasn't there to save it from happening. You poke it a little farther, and Langdon represents somebody who's just come back from the therapeutic road. Someone who's had the courage to face his demons and to humble himself into admitting that he needed help and that he was in over his head and needs to rebuild his life in a more honest way. So to the unexamined person, Robbie, that's kryptonite. And he'll talk more about therapy, which I'll talk about a little bit later. Like, Robbie's hesitancy around therapy, but. But, like, the fact that Langdon, who is, yes, quoting lengthy passages from books, but also just, like, going up to, like, the guys in the betting board and just being like, I got rehab bills. Like, I can't do that. You know, like, he's just being very honest and open about sort of like, I'm working on myself. I did this. He's not lying. He's not hiding. He's like, I'm. I'm working on myself. I'm going through this. And Robbie's like, I can't look at that, because that looks unrecognizable. Yeah, that looks like something I should do. And I don't want to completely. You know what I mean? So I thought that was really interesting.

[C]

And it's the kind of thing where, yeah, like, intellect. Intellectually, I'm sure Robbie understands that this is a healthy process, but there is a part of him that thinks that the way you process being in this kind of space is going up to the roof every night or getting on your motorcycle. A little zoom therapy with no helmet. And it makes sense that he would take that out in his way on LinkedIn. Not make sense, because he should, but because that's the way human beings unfortunately operate. And I think what I'm kind of waiting to see is, again, the repercussions this is having on patients. And another part of that sequence is when Nurse Jesse asks him, like, should we get Langdon in here in case we need to intubate? And Robbie's like, absolutely not. Like, don't even worry about it. And so in doing so, it's like, that's a woman who is in dire, minute by minute changing condition.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Seems like it might be a good idea to have a doctor in the room.

[B]

I was so confused by Robbie walking out of that room at all. Like, the alarms are going off, and he's like, get ready. You know, get her ready to, like, intubate. And then he just, like, walks out to check in on other things. I was very confused by that. That's a great call. I'm curious to hear from the many medical professionals who watch the Pit and I guess listen to this podcast. Thank you so much. Why would you listen to us? To let us know, like, Robbie slicing that woman's leg open, is that like, beyond the pale bad? Or is that sort of I'm. I'm getting the shit where it needs to go sort of move?

[C]

Yeah, it's. At least this is how you get sued. Like, that category. Right. Dr. Alashimi would never.

[B]

You can't make a fun pun out of malpractice. And Robbie Santos and charting, you know, this is the ongoing plot of this episode, is that Santos keeps trying and failing to get her Charting done because Dr. Al Hashimi has, like, threatened her, essentially.

[C]

This is still, like, oh, straight up, threatened her.

[B]

One of the toughest things I think this character has done this season, and I hate that it's bookended with, why don't you give my generative AI app a try? Like, it's really tough. I'm really trying to root for Dr. Al, and I like them, like, the moments that she pushes back on Robbie when she's like, why are you treating me like one of your residents? Why don't you go ahead and give me the download on your patients if I need to give you the download on my patients? Like, all that stuff I really liked. But, like, threatening her, Santos. And then saying, well, if you use my AI, it'll be fine. That's tough for us. An anti AI podcast.

[C]

You know, it's tough for us as an anti podcast, but also just tough in terms of these office interactions. Right. Like, these are two people in a workplace environment. You came in on day one, threatened Santos's progression, which, as we know is maybe the single most important thing to her. And then try to swoop in to soft sell this platform that you think is very important. Like, this is. This is what's difficult about this character to me, because you're right. Within this episode, I think she does a lot of really good and, like, considerate things and things that would get us on her side.

[B]

I like the way she's treating Langdon.

[C]

Exactly. The kind of. The kind of encouraging word she has with Langdon. Absolutely. I think the way she shows care for Jada Jackson's sister, like she's doing and saying a lot of the right things or things that are just kind of like, positive and representative of good caregiving. But then she's doing stuff like this, and I. I just don't like the balance of that right now. And. And maybe it's meant to be that way, but it's. It just makes her a tough character to fully align with.

[B]

It's tough right now. But this is the constant way in which the Pit likes to challenge us. We talked about this season one with Santos, or I would say I kind of liked her from the start, but I think a lot of people were bumping on Joy and then, like, have really come around on her. As Ogilvy stock continues to plummet. She gets her shot at shots in on Ogilvy. And then Joy has a great episode here. We learned some more about her psychology. So, like. But this interaction that Robbie and Dr. Al have about AI right. That he's saying, well, they would expect us to treat more patients, all the while getting rid of these various positions. No. No increase in pay. Blah, blah, blah. Dr. Alashimi says, I'm not advocating for erasing my profession. And I wrote. You sure about that? My notes. You sure about that? We get the Lord up that she did. We already know she has a son we got.

[C]

I think that would. That felt new to me.

[B]

Yeah. And says nothing can replace family. Which I don't know. Felt. If that felt especially chilly to Robbie, who, like, very clearly does not have a family life that he talks about.

[C]

Well, that motorcycle does not have a sidecar. You know, it's really him out on.

[B]

The road all by himself for baby Jane Doe.

[C]

Baby Jane Doe. Somebody.

[B]

Robbie and the baby on the road.

[C]

I'm not putting baby Jane Doe on a motorcycle in any capacity. That is a death issue.

[B]

What if she's just encased in helmet?

[C]

We need a full bubble.

[B]

Yeah. A bubble for baby Jane Doe.

[C]

That's the only way I'm willing to accept it. But in this journey. Again, like, we're trying to figure out how to empathize with Dr. Al More over the course of the season. The one part that I'm always gonna have a hard time with is this is a woman who's, yes, very qualified, very sharp, walked into a new workplace and led with, you're doing everything wrong, and I'm going to implement systems to fix all of the shit you're doing. And, like, that's always going to be a tough sell for anybody who's there.

[B]

I also think, like, she could have waited until tomorrow to start implementing.

[C]

Seems. Seems like maybe she could, but for the structure of this show, the premise.

[B]

Of the show dictates that she must do it today. I did like this moment when Santos turns down the. What turns out to be the necrotizing the fasciitis case. And this is the second one. I think we second, like, exciting trauma that we've seen her turn down. She turned down one earlier when she was on the case of the young girl where she was just like, I want to focus on this. I can't get distracted by that. In this case, she's trying to catch up on her. On her charts. But compare that to Santos, who was just sort of like. Like a dog with a bone in the first season, just chasing anything that's more exciting. More exciting. More exciting. So that felt like a really good evolution for me, her character, definitely.

[C]

So.

[B]

And as the Pit loves to do it, loves to highlight issues inside of the. The entire system. This show so subtly often, Rob. So this idea that doctors have to stay for hours after their shift is over just to complete their charting is, you know, a good problem to identify. Speaking about flaws in the system, do you want to talk about the Diaz family?

[C]

I would love to.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I mean, specifically Joy's part in this story, which, as you said, like, a really shining moment for us.

[B]

Excellent. Really good.

[C]

I also like that it's kind of positioning her as, like, Ogilvy is the book smart, she's the street smart a little bit. Right. It's like she is understanding the ins and outs of the logistics of this by having a lived experience. And we've seen throughout the Pit the way that these characters own lives kind of influence the way that they go about their practice. And for her, it's like how you maneuver in a hospital space. She's had to go through the system in a way that, you know, like, Dr. Bangs maybe hasn't to date. Right. Like, hasn't had to navigate a parent with leukemia or like the crunch of finances. Right. Like, everybody is coming to these things differently. And she's coming, like, to this post through the wars of how do you possibly finance staying in a hospital when it's prohibitive for almost anybody?

[B]

I just really loved learning this information about her because I think it will make, if anyone can stomach rewatching the Pit, a rewatch really interesting, because some of her earlier standoffishness when it came to, like, elderly and dying patients is just sort of like, this is trauma that she's carrying. I'm like, I'm curious what area of medicine she wants to go into where she won't be around dying patients.

[C]

I'm not sure there is one.

[B]

Um, but clearly she's like, she doesn't have her sights set on the ed, so she's not, like, giving this rotation her all because she's like, this is my nightmare of a place to be. Um, but, like, something that you could have chalked up to, like, callousness or frivolity or superficial nature or something like that is really her just, you know, a la Dr. Robbie. Not wanting to look at Langdon. Like, I don't want to look at this thing that reminds me of this really hard life event that I went through with my family.

[C]

Pure defense mechanism, which is a more appealing human quality than, like, not caring that these patients are dying.

[B]

Right.

[C]

That conversation happens, kind of working in conjunction with Samira Mohan as well. And I like their. Their exchange a lot. And in particular, Dr. Mohan's kind of established herself as, I think, like, the one person in the Pit who cops to being wrong the fastest. Like, she. She gives Joy the side eye when Joy even raises the idea of moving Orlando Diaz out of the ED and yet is proven wrong so quickly in terms of the financial relief that could offer to his family, and immediately just owns it. Immediately says, I was wrong. I. Like, I didn't. I didn't judge that correctly. Just because she didn't have the information. It's like, I've never seen Langdon do that. I've never seen Robby do that. I think it's one thing if you're a med student who's just, like, coming up so quickly and learning so much on the fly. But for an established doctor to do that, I don't know that we've seen it with the speed of it.

[B]

I mean, we did see Langdon do that in season one with Mel with a neurodivergent patient when he was like, how'd you do that? I wasn't getting any there with him. And you really did that.

[C]

To me. That's. To me, that's, like a slightly adjacent thing. But I take your point.

[B]

But I also take your point in that. In that a lot of these doctors have massive egos and are not inclined to admit fault so readily. Priya Ganesh, who plays Samira Mohan, gave this interview where she was talking about Samira's, like, evolution as a character from last season. This idea that, like, she's learned how to trust her gut more than she did in season one. She's better at balancing her time with patients than she was in season one. She's like. But she's still the empathetic patient advocate doctor that we see in season one. So her being so insistent that there is a solution for the Diaz family is sort of this evolution of that slow mo stuff in season one. She also said this really interesting thing. She says she's, quote, she's on Robbie's good side at the start of the show, which is a great difference for her. So this idea that, like, mercurial king Robbie and, like, are you in his favor? The sun shines on you, and if you're not, it's very cold in the shade, you know, like, so I thought that was really interesting, really telling.

[C]

I think you see a bear out in this episode, too, both in terms of that balance that she's found and the fact that she is on Robbie's good side. Dr. Moen's been being pulled in and out of rooms constantly. We need you.

[B]

We need you. We need you.

[C]

We need you. And to me, that is an outgrowth of everything we just talked about, but also an outgrowth of the fact that Robbie does not want to delegate anything to Langdon. And so you see the crunch that that puts on the next most senior resident. Correct to now have to do basically everything.

[B]

Exactly. Let's talk about nurse Noelle Hastings, shall we? Being very spicy with Ravi, sharing some personal information about Robbie that Dana would prefer not to know. Dana's, like, pissed. She's like, why are you telling me?

[C]

It wasn't even that personal, but it's just, like. It's intimate.

[B]

It feels unprofessional to Dana. You know what I mean? It's just sort of like, he wouldn't want you. Like, don't gossip to me about what he does in his. Like, it felt like a way that Noelle was like, I like Noelle. I'm not, like, trying to throw under the bus, but Dana is, like, deeply uncomfortable with, like, both. This relationship she thinks is a bad idea from both sides. And then also that is true. You know what I mean? And like, also she doesn't want, you know, she's like. It kind of felt like Noel was like, I know what he does in his bedroom. And I want to tell you right.

[C]

Now, it did feel that way a little bit. She's flexing a little bit.

[B]

This is the other part of Noah Wiley's sort of talking about Robbie and therapy he talks about. This is a really interesting part he talks about. He alludes to this idea that in the ER, you can make a ton of really deep, like emotional connections quickly. Fast turnover, they're gone, right? It's a very, very high turnover rate. So you can like feel like you're getting emotionally nourished by being Dr. Robbie and coming in and like people, patients love him as they should, you know, all this sort of stuff like that. But then he doesn't have to like let them know really much about him at all. And he doesn't have to like be in that relationship for very long. He says it about sort of Noelle Hastings. It depends on which frame you put around it. On one hand you could say, oh, look at that, Robbie's got a social life. On the other hand you look at it and go, oh, Robbie's got a social life where there's always an out, there's always an escape hatch, there's always a ticking clock on it and a point which he's not willing to go any further. He. We're looking at someone who flirts with connection but isn't capable of connection. There's no character who talks about having gone to dinner with Robbie or having hung out with Robbie. We never get a sense that he sees any of these people really, except for Noelle outside the hospital. Even in that relationship, they keep it very professional at work to not have anybody really, do they? To not have anybody speculate so you can look at it and go, oh, it's.

[C]

Let me stop that right there. Everybody knows she is making eyes at him while on the phone.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And once he pulls the like, let me just tie my shoe move like again, who are we fooling?

[B]

He's. This is how he ends the quote. So you could see you look at it and go, oh, it's cool, he's feeling good enough today. But on the other hand, it's just another form of half assed therapy. So I love this. He also referred to Dr. Collins as the one who got away, which was an interesting wrinkle. Also, Noah Wylie said so in that scene last week where Whitaker is talking to Louis about Dr. Collins and that she's gone to Portland and has a child and all this sort of stuff like that. That Dr. Robbie was not supposed to be in that scene. And Noah Wylie's like, what if I poke my head in and hear that? And we get to see how Robbie processes, how he feels about that? Something I think that is interesting, though, in characterizing in this sort of like, the pit is not an ER spinoff, which it's not.

[C]

Legally, legally. Not an ER spinoff.

[B]

The way in which his character is really unlike his character, Dr. John Carter. That's true. John Carter was like the new babe in the woods. He's sort of veteran thing. I actually think he's kind of modeling Dr. Robbie a little bit on George Clooney's Dr. Doug Ross. And this does not. Like.

[C]

Would you. Would you not.

[B]

I. That's. That's kind of how I feel. I feel like Noah Wylie was, like, at the very beginning of his career, he saw what Dr. Doug Ross did for George Clooney, and he's like, I wouldn't mind some of that. So this idea of, like, if. If we think Dr. Alashimi is, like, flirting with him at all, which kind of.

[C]

Yeah. Unclear about that.

[B]

Unclear. But Dr. Doug Ross, as played by. In his primo prime, George Clooney, walk around the hospital, everyone's flirting with him, and he's like, commitment. No, thank you. But empathetic doctor. Yes. He's a pediatrician. He was just, like, so lovely with the children coming in out of the hospital. And so everyone's like, oh, my God, you look like George Clooney and you're such a sweet pediatrician. And then he's like, no, no commitment, no, thank you. So I thought that was interesting. And I. On, like, a much different level. I have talked about this before, but I have, like, a. I have a degree of social anxiety. And one mode that I really, really enjoyed was when I worked in bookstores, and I loved going up to the cash register. Working the cash register, which, like, when I was, like, a manager, I wasn't supposed to do, but I love to do, because you have these, like, really fun interactions with people, and then they're gone.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And it's just sort of like my social anxiety doesn't have time to kick in because it's just like two or three minutes. Charming, charming banter. What are you reading? Blah, blah, blah. Joke didn't make you laugh. Bye. Like, that's. That's, like, a really comfortable mode for people with social anxiety. So I don't think that Dr. Robbie has that, but I was like, I really relate to this idea of like, oh, yeah, I love to get my emotional connection and social juice out of people who are just sort of like.

[C]

Hearing, God, let's keep the turnstile moving.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, just like in and out. And I. It makes total sense that of sit like a setting like the emergency room or icu, you'd be establishing those incredibly deep connections that you talked about. But the fact that he can just put them off, the fact that he can just wander from room to room in a way that even his subordinates can't. Like, there's just so many ways for Robbie to distance himself when he decides to do that. And he pretty much decides to do it all the time.

[B]

Dr. Jefferson, who's here, the psych consult, is like, surprised when Robbie calls him a friend. Right. Oh, the F word. Oh, my gosh. Right.

[C]

A little facetiously, maybe.

[B]

Of course, of course. Dr. Jack Abbott. Is that a friend of Dr. Ravi's?

[C]

Seems like a friend. At least a work friend.

[B]

But they're also kind of like work frenemies to a certain degree.

[C]

Are they? I didn't really get the enemy vibe.

[B]

Not enemies, but like in their very first interaction, the very beginning of this, of the. Of season one, there just seemed to be a little bit of like, tension. I don't know. I don't know how to describe it.

[C]

The tension is one of them wants.

[B]

To jump off a roof at any given time.

[C]

That's a real tension at any given time. And it changes the real back and forth.

[B]

You okay? Does Robbie have any other friends?

[C]

I don't know that he does in any meaningful sense that we have seen.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And I don't get the sense that, as you alluded to in no, Wiley's interview, like, has a very robust social life. Like Noelle, he has a kind of intimacy with, but she knows that he.

[B]

Keeps the TV on in his room at night. He can't stand any silence.

[C]

I also did feel very seen by that. I mean, again, very guilty as charged on that front. But like, by her own admission, it's more of like a seven week itch kind of relationship that they have.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. So, like, this is really interesting me. What about other. Like, who do you think? There's Melanie, her sister. Who do you think in of the staff here has the like, healthiest home.

[C]

Life healthiest or like most active? Because those are not necessarily the most. The same thing. I mean, like, I could see Santos. Santos and Garcia getting after it sure.

[B]

Right.

[C]

They're about town. They've got a lot of friends of a kind.

[B]

Dr. Whitaker, farm farming benefits.

[C]

I mean, that's. That seems like a meaningful relationship, you know.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

He's being. He's playing like Jerry Maguire with her son, basically.

[B]

Tough. That's. That never felt healthy to me.

[C]

It doesn't go great.

[B]

Well, then it does in the end. Mixed messages. That's a classic.

[C]

Like rewatchable is what happens the next day situation. Like, it's. I don't think that relationship is great for anyone involved.

[B]

Dana has a lot of photos of like, her, her family around.

[C]

True. But again, these people work so much and so intensely. I think it's hard to then take some big part of yourself and give it to other people.

[B]

This is something that Fiona Dorif said about Cassie McKay that, like, you know, we know Cassie as a kiddo. That whole dynamic is very messy and fraught. But she talked about like, in terms of Cassie perhaps risking her license. Who's to say to go on this date with this guy is that Cassie's like in her 40s, has like fucked up in her life. Yeah. Married to a shitty dude, has a kid that she loves, had an ankle monitor for a time, but put herself through med school and just sort of like on the other side of this, like, grand reinvention of her life in her 40s and just sort of like, okay, what else? Yes, what else? What's. What do I want to come home to? What do I want to like, fulfill my life with and so hot guy in an art gallery. Also, by the way, we got some meals from people who are like 9pm date. I don't think she's gonna make it. Like, it's a long day, you know, the Pit. Well, it's like, is she still gonna be at the Pit if there's an emergency?

[C]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[B]

Is the 9 o' clock hour gonna come and go and she's just like, I missed it.

[C]

I think she's gonna check out. Clock out, girls. Got needs. The art gallery calls.

[B]

Okay. Okay. So you don't care what the massive emergency that surely awaits us?

[C]

Well, let's talk about that for a minute because I. I do think there's a fascinating thing happening this season. And I've seen it and I've heard it, and people I know who of just like, when is the thing gonna blow up?

[B]

Right.

[C]

Like, I think some of it is the precedent of season one of the mass casual event of having the mass casualty event that, you know, is gonna stir something up. Yeah, some of it is just. It's a 15 episode season and story wise, something has to shake something up. But I'm curious for you how you felt about this season overall so far. Now that we're, what, five episodes in, have you felt yourself wanting the thing to happen, whatever that is?

[B]

I'm not crossing my fingers for mass casualty of Ben Ramoni. I didn't say that because I'm a good person. Thank you very much. I. I talked about this, I think, a couple weeks ago where I. Maybe it was just last week, I don't know, the betting board being back and then like, sinkhole.

[C]

By the way, bad use of doubling down. Would not advise to bet on sinkhole.

[B]

Donna, you're a new dad. You don't have money for this. Anyway, I really do like LinkedIn not getting in on the betting because he was like such a. Like his compulsion and his compulsive actions around, you know, they call them like an adrenaline junkie around sort of the betting board. Or like, I gotta go get this salmon for my kid, or I got my kid a puppy and didn't talk to my wife about it. And all these other things, you know.

[C]

Like how I gotta go get this salmon as part of the adrenaline junkie, like, profile.

[B]

Rob's like, please don't call me out like that.

[C]

God forbid a guy has a cedar.

[B]

Plank, you know, But I think that, you know, so again, to watch him say, no, I can't to that. Okay. But to go back to the betting board and the sinkhole, terrible idea. I agree. But like, it's the betting boards here. It's a number of people's first day at work. There's like patterns of repetition that I'm definitely seeing. Definitely. And so in that way that's, I think, leading a lot of people to be like, okay, and next in the rhythm of the season, that I understand is a mass casualty event, so. Or why else are we here on this day in the pit? And could there, you know, is that something that's gonna happen this season? I would say probably could they surprise us? This season is just like a day in the pit.

[C]

I'd be down for it, maybe.

[B]

And we get, I mean, given that it's longer than one shift, because they always have to have an excuse to have them there past their shift. Right. It's true. Uh, and it's not just doing your charts. Um, but maybe then we could just get in a couple hours of the night shift. One season.

[C]

It's True.

[B]

And you and I would never say that again.

[C]

And maybe that's this. Maybe we get Dr. Bangs in the art gallery. You know, maybe we get these people off. Off the clock.

[B]

I don't think we're leaving the error, Casey. Bloys is like the budget simply not tight for a reason. Okay. We've already. You've already brilliantly covered Ogilvy and Mrs. Randolph's constipation. Anything you want to add to that? There's no we in disimpaction. I think is pretty in line. Anything else?

[C]

I mean, just that even this, even, like everyone is over Ogilvy's whole deal in this episode, even as he is continuously humbled over the course of these last couple weeks.

[B]

I.

[C]

It's just he's such a tough hang that I really, again, don't mind, like a shotgun situation in which he's covered in shit. Like, this is. This is the bed that he has made for himself.

[B]

The shit's blows. It's this smirk when Joy, last week's episode, had like a potential blood exposure and he was like, smirking like, she's out of the running because she has to go like, give some blood.

[C]

Guess what, buddy. You got TB now.

[B]

You got TB and shit all over.

[C]

Which is apparently just a thing that happens. That's. That was a crazy. The more, you know, moment from the pit that if you are a doctor in. I think this, the qualifications were like an urban emergency environment. Basically you're 70% or you're gonna get TB.

[B]

If Kai has 90 hours to spare, perhaps one day we should do a super cut of like, all the lessons that has taught us about the medical.

[C]

There's a lot.

[B]

And just like after every single time, it's just like the more, you know.

[C]

The more, you know, along those lines. If you hear the stomach gurgle, run like you cannot be in the line of fire.

[B]

Run, don't walk. And I gotta say, Whitaker, or at least duck. Whitaker, like, backed up.

[C]

Oh, he tried.

[B]

He did.

[C]

He tried.

[B]

Sort of. Santos would not.

[C]

She did not try. She knew just what to delegate.

[B]

She really did.

[C]

And which. Which side of things to be on, frankly.

[B]

The art of delegation. Speaking of Dr. Banks herself, we get this new case, which seems like it might be a bit of an ongoing case, which is Roxy. Yeah. And her husband. And this hospice situation. We get the return of Lena, who's the night shift nurse, who is also a death doula. This seems like it's going to really upset me, this storyline.

[C]

It's already upsetting me. Quite a bit. And I think upsetting Dr. Banks quite a bit.

[B]

Right.

[C]

To what you were just saying about how she's reached this point in her life of wondering, like, well, what's next? What do I do with myself? Like, how do I build a bigger, fuller life after everything I've been through?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She's forced to confront in this episode, like staring down, meeting this woman, Roxy, who is like a similar age to her, with similarly aged kids going through end of life care because of like rapidly spreading cancer. And not just that, but seeing Roxy then have to reckon with the loss of her own autonomy in real time. Right. Of even just within this very brief period she's been here, has been forced to learn. Oh, you thought you could walk around your own home where you were hoping to stay comfortable until your day finally comes. Now you're gonna need a hospital bed. Now you're gonna need a wheelchair. Now you're gonna need to bring around these machines and these things plugged into you at all times. It's like you can see her world getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And like, why wouldn't Dr. Banks feel really acutely about something like that given, you know, her own relationship with her kid?

[B]

I also think the depiction of her husband is really, really well done in terms of like the cost. Like, he's not complaining.

[C]

No.

[B]

And he's not talking about how hard this is, but how hard it is for Roxy to watch him, like to lose her own autonomy, but then to like watch him. And we don't know what's happening with the boys, like her kids either, but she's got a 15 year old son, so that's like a boy on the verge of like manhood who's like, how much responsibility does he feel inside of the situation? But to like, feel this is not how I think she should feel, but to feel a burden upon the people you love. And, and I really loved this portrayal of this husband. I thought it was really, really good because he's like, he's concerned and he's grieving. But there's also this sort of like, I'm used to also getting things done, which, like Lena comes in and she's like, I'll take care of it. Right. But him knowing, you know, every milligram of what medication she takes, you know, and, and just all, you know, I just, I think this dynamic is really, really upsetting and compelling. And one of those, like, multi episode arcs that like, I don't know if this is, this is an end of life story, like, is Roxy A person who's like, I don't want to do this anymore. What if this is not a kind of life I want to live anymore? I don't know. That's just some. That's a sense I get.

[C]

Definitely. It's definitely the suggestion of this episode in which she just wants to get up and go to the bathroom and is forced to confront, like, the production that be required to do that. And then as she even attempts to do it and dangles her legs off the side of the bed and breaks down in pain and crying. And as you said, her husband is there to comfort her. But it's like, to me, my read on her in that scene, on Roxy, in that scene is her coming to understand exactly how much will be put on her husband, on her kids, on everyone around her, so long as this is her current state of being. And it's like, that's an impossibly heavy thing for someone to carry.

[B]

And I think introducing the concept of a death doula, which is not maybe a role that a lot of people are familiar with with necessarily, like, is an opportunity to understand this idea of, like, compassionate end of life care. Yeah. And what it means to be able to make certain decisions around that, even if it's not the decision, like, certainly her husband strikes me as someone who's like, I want every single second with you, definitely. But is that what she wants? And. And how will that conflict play out? Is sort of what I'm anticipating there.

[C]

I mean, it's only going to get heavier from here.

[B]

Predominantly devastated. We also get a prisoner comes in, Gus Varney, who was assaulted. And this is this again, this story kind of feels like it's just getting started, but we get the, like, you know, the frustration of the compassionate care doctors with the guard who is there with the handcuffs is your. I mean, like, this isn't really like a prediction podcast or a show or whatever, but the way in which the handcuffs stuff keeps coming up. Is this a. Like, we will wish he was handcuffed, or is it more. Can we not show compassion for someone even if they have done horrible things that have put them in a. In a position where people feel they should be cuffed?

[C]

You know, I feel like this could be a place where the pit swerves against that expectation and there comes to be a moment where it's like he's not cuffed for whatever emergency reason, and there is some kind of episode or some moment where somebody's in real danger just because. Because the pit does look. It lives out with the Best of them. It wants to show a particular view of people, of systems, of politics, of everything. But it also at some points wants to show that even the most well meaning people can make critical mistakes because of the fact that they are well meaning. That going above and beyond just because you care is a good instinct, but not always the right instinct. And so I could absolutely see a moment where one of the doctors or med students is in danger because they either insist that the cuffs are not put back on or just by chance, they're not put back on at some critical moment.

[B]

That reminds me of one of our listeners, I cannot remember who emailed to call out Jackson, the law student. That, that whole character profile, the fact that he's a law student, the fact that perhaps there's like schizophrenia emerging, something like that was the profile of a patient on ER who was involved. I don't even want to spoil this. Even though ER was on like a million years ago, but like one of the most dramatically upsetting things that ever happened on ER and specifically happened with Noah Wiley's character on ER is connected, played by David Krumholtz, a character that's maybe one of my earliest exposures to David Krumholtz. But, like, I don't think they're repeating that storyline. Someone was like, I predict that this is gonna happen. I'm like, I don't think they're just like, like copy pasting one of the most famous and shocking ER storylines over into the Pit.

[C]

It would be a reason, I would say they're explicitly not going to do that.

[B]

But that was an example where, like, compassionate care met its limit inside of a story. So, like with, with this guy, Gus Varney, who I believe, I think his mouth is blocked, but I think it's him who says, amen, sister. When Samira is like, that's just my mom calling. Ignore it. I think that's this guy. Paper thin skin. Yeah. Like malnutrition is sort of what I was thinking.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, the skin strength of an.

[C]

80 year old, something degenerative. Like, it could be a lot of different things, but at bare minimum, this guy's got a broken jaw, fractured ribs, like cuts and bruises all over his body. I mean, he's in a terrible way and clearly needs a lot of attention and care, but how that manifests and what, at what costs, I'm definitely eager to see.

[B]

I would like to acknowledge that previously I called out the Pit for generations, perhaps not knowing certain pop culture, culture references. When Langdon made a MASH reference. And the fact that Whitaker doesn't know who MacGyver is. Does a Dr. MacGyver work here? Now we're aware of what generation does what. Love that.

[C]

This is what we needed from Donnie, though. We needed Langdon to say pro Storm. Don't. He's like, what?

[B]

What? But also, I guess shots fired at the CBS MacGyver reboot, which ran for five seasons from 2016 to 2021.

[C]

But also, did it.

[B]

Did it exist? I'm unsure. Lucas Till would like you to know that it did exist.

[C]

Again, Woody.

[B]

That was an interesting moment because that was a real opportunity for, like. I think what I would expect from a beat like that is for Robbie and Dr. Al Hashimi to share a look of, like, these kids, they don't know anything, but they didn't. Like, Robbie was already gone when. When Whitaker had that reaction.

[C]

Is between us and Whitaker or us and Mel?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Langdon and dry eyes. Burn guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm wondering if this is, like, the real Yinzer representation that people have been clamoring for. We get a jag off and a. You gooning me.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

And those both felt like strong Yinzer language to me.

[C]

Jag off, especially become like, a surprisingly gooning heavy podcast. I don't know what's happened around here.

[B]

When were we talking about gooning before?

[C]

I mean, just given all of our milking farm representation we've had on this pod, which is just a gooning subgenre all its own.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

You know, there's just a lot of gooning happening, I guess.

[B]

Jagoff. That's also the origin of jagoff. I loved these brothers. These horrible brothers. Anything you want to say about this?

[C]

I mostly love that there was just zero hesitation from Langdon and Donnie on wanting to see the video.

[B]

I want to see this video.

[C]

The most human interaction on the entire show is like, how could you not?

[B]

Yeah. The Donnie and Langdon friendship is really a treasure for us this season.

[C]

I just love this on the Pit in general, that for as weird and crazy and gnarly as things get, a doctor will sometimes just, like, stop to snap a picture of some with a fork up there. I mean, how could you not?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The family crest being the penguins logo seems fitting. If you and your brother were to get a family crest, what would it be?

[C]

Maybe the logo to Wet Hot American Summer.

[B]

Really?

[C]

You know, why not? Full back tat.

[B]

Wow. Okay.

[C]

We share many things, but maybe that among all.

[B]

Okay, all right. I love that for you. Okay.

[C]

See, I can't even ask you this because you have shared Tattoos like you have mutual tattoos with at least Mallory.

[B]

Two people, actually.

[C]

Who's the other person?

[B]

Someone I don't talk to anymore. Cautionary tale.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

Here's the story.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

I was in Austin, Texas.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Getting a tattoo like you do. A tattoo I had planned for a really long time. It's my. It's my almost famous tattoo.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

The uncle uncool that I have written on my wrist here. I had planned this out for years. A friend of mine, and she was a really good friend of mine at the time, was in there with me, and she's like, I want to get one too. And I was actually like, I don't really want that.

[C]

You can't do that.

[B]

She got on her ribs. The. Like my tattoo that I had been planning for a really long time. And I didn't know how to say no. So I was just sort of like, neat. Then we had a. Maybe that was the first red flag. And then we had like a massive friendship blow up and we don't talk anymore. But I have a matching tattoo with her that I never wanted in the first place.

[C]

So you simply can't do that to other people. Like, what you're like, you can't call. You get stolen valor. A tattoo.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Especially when it's been a multi year process. These brothers, they're in it together, right. They want that logo on each other's bodies. This is also an expression of who they are.

[B]

Impulsive teenage jag off behavior. And we were not that young.

[C]

That's a new category we're gonna go through every week. What was the impulsive teenage jag off behavior of this episode? It could be anybody.

[B]

All right, so Mr. Billings comes back with his. The dislocated shoulder guy comes back, back. He really wants something to eat or drink because it's been hours and he's been waiting to go in surgery. I had, when I was I. The first surgery I had last year. The. There was like a lot of emergencies came in before me, and I don't. That's fine. I don't mind waiting. And so then I could not, like, I was there like all day and I couldn't eat or drink. That's fine. But my friend who was there with me was losing her mind. She's like, she can't have water. I was like, I'm actually fine. And my friend, who is a much like a better hydrated person than I am, was just like, how are you surviving? And I was like, I don't know. We're in a. Like a High stakes situation. I think all of your other sort of functions shut down, but I was like, I'm fine, but this guy wants a beer. This guy's like, give me a beer. Give me something. I deserve it.

[C]

But I love that for you, Joe. I love that you've reached a point in your life where you have more.

[B]

Like a camel.

[C]

Can't she have water Friends and fewer. I will also have that tattoo friend.

[B]

That's true. You know what? That's a real upgrade. It's a real. It's a real good point. Robbie snags a beer, and he snags it for Louis. And that brings us to Louis. I gotta say, I don't know if you read the episode descriptions before. You actually. Don't press play.

[C]

Yeah. Did it tip the hand?

[B]

It was like, Langdon and Robbie have to work together to save a patient that they really care about. I was like, who the fuck could that be, guys? And it was like, in the three line episode description, the Redditors have already been all over this. Like, I saw it in our screener side. I was like, did they put this out publicly? And then I saw that the Redditors are like. Like, Rip Louie, essentially. So, like. And it's the end of the episode too. Like, it's. It's a wild thing to do. But what did you make of. We'll get back to, like, Whitaker and LinkedIn in a second. But what did you make about Robbie stealing a beer for Louie?

[C]

I mean, it's clearly an extension of his whole. His whole deal.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Seems ill advised.

[B]

It seems ill advised. It's not something Dr. Collins would do. Like, absolutely not.

[C]

Clearly not.

[B]

But do you feel like he's like, oh, Louie's like, Dr. Collins always hooks me up. Like, you think he's trying.

[C]

He's just trying to win friends, you.

[B]

Know, and influence people. I mean, I don't think that Heather would ever steal a beer for Louis. No. But, like, Robbie's like, oh, Heather, like, Dr. Collins isn't here. I'll. I'll help Louis in my own Robbie way.

[C]

It's certainly an attempt to do something. Is it an attempt to help? I. I think he believes it is.

[B]

Right. Okay, back to, like, the librium and Whitaker stepping in on LinkedIn. That was a real moment, I think really well executed by all actors involved. I do have some questions about Whitaker later in a crowded, like, trauma room, talking through his feelings about it.

[C]

This is one of my. Of all the things that these shows do, including the pit, One of my least favorite Medical show tropes, which is a bunch of people like mid surgery or mid procedure, all venting about their individual plot lines. Across a body to each other or across a patient to each other. It's like, like, again, you couldn't wait 10 minutes? I, I understand you're running around all day.

[B]

I don't mind having this conversation, this episode. I just really wish it had been a one on one that he had. Probably not with Santos because she's too involved in all of this. But, like, surely there was.

[C]

She's literally getting him like wrist deep in shit just for the sake of doing it.

[B]

But I mean, like, Santos and, and, and she's talked about this about Isa Baroness has talked about this about how Santos this season is so unsure of herself. Not just she's getting things wrong today, but just sort of like she's really rattled by Langdon being there. Like, one of the last things Langdon said to her was that she doesn't belong in, in the ED and stuff like that. So she's having like a real, like, do I actually belong here? Season versus her, like, very cocky first season. But yeah, Whitaker not in a crowded room, like Gossip Galore. There's like tons of people in there. What the fuck? And then we hear Langdon hears Louis coding, and then Langton and Robbie get to work. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I don't think we've been saying for a while we don't think Louis gonna make it out of this. How do you feel about this being the sort of like, cliffhanger moment of this episode?

[C]

I feel okay because I feel confident that it's gonna resolve in a way that's not just like, oh, he's fine. Those are the most annoying cliffhangers. This is something we've been anticipating, and if anything, I would say the biggest surprise is that it's happening so soon. I thought maybe we'd have another episode or two with Louis maybe, you know, do some more like light dental work or something happening before he ultimately, like, ends up in dire straits. But this is, I mean, it's coming really fast and I'm sure it's going to hit everyone really hard.

[B]

Yeah. To your point about Robbie, the cost of Robbie's, I don't know, inattention or personal preoccupations. Our listener Travis, who's a doctor, wrote in and say Robbie's a maverick and likes to be the person who lets the residents shine. A good example of this is Louis, whom Robbie has not examined or talked to outside of exchanging Pleasant. This person says, I think they're missing a diagnosis, which a number of our listeners wrote in with the same diagnosis. But Robbie wants to let Whitaker shine because it makes him look like a good teacher. So this idea of, like, that there is, you know, like, an upside to this, of Robbie, like, wanting, you know, it's a teaching hospital wanting to encourage people to grow. But, like, maybe especially with Whitaker, who he's like, is his shiny pet project. Right. He's not, like, giving him as much oversight as perhaps he needed in a circumstance like this.

[C]

Definitely. There are lots of different kinds of hero complexes, and Robbie clearly has one. And he likes being the doctor to swoop in and do the radical improvisational surgery, but he also likes being the teacher, too, and being shown that he is right by proxy.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I feel like that's inevitably where we're going with this. And ultimately, it's one of those things where Garen Howell's, like, so good at playing sad that it's almost inevitable he will be forced to.

[B]

He looks sad even when he's not sad. I know he just has a little puppy, and that puppy's about to get.

[C]

Kicked real hard by life. And dealing with the after effects of that. I mean, he already did some of that in season one. But the realities of working in this environment, as tragic and traumatizing as that might feel to joy, is like, you just have to do this over and over. Like, people will just die and die and die, and people you care about will come through and they'll come back like you thought it was resolved, but it's not. I feel like the Pit unquestionably handles that repetition very well, and the sheer attrition of what it's like to work.

[B]

In this environment, the way we talked about this before, but the constellation of people who will be impacted by this particular death. Like, when you're talking about someone who is a regular.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you think about Langdon and his particular guilt around Louis, specifically Robbie, who has known Louis, and Dana, who has known Louis for a long time. Perla, who's been, like, really in the mix here with Louis this season. Everyone's just gonna be. What does it mean? Like, we've talked about, like, we've seen this sort of, like, moment of silence. But what does it mean when, like, a death like this occurs, where it's just, like, someone who has no friends and family, perhaps, and sort of no place to go? Like, the friends and family are the members of the. Of the emergency department.

[C]

Yes. That's where we're Getting into very. Like, at least maybe this is just me as like a West Wing person, but like Toby showing up for a random homeless veteran whose coat was found with his card in it. Like, don't make me cry. It's a devastating episode. But you're right, like, all of the saddest things we've seen on the Pit to date have mostly been people who have no association whatever with the doctors. A couple exceptions to that. But I would say some of the most heartbreaking plot lines are just random strangers having the worst day of their lives. Louis is not a random stranger. And some of the reason that Robbie is bringing him the beer is because he's not a random stranger. That's not a thing he would do to just anybo. It is a gesture of a kind. And again, is it the right thing to do or not? I think people can disagree, and probably the answer is no.

[B]

But I'm not mad about it.

[C]

I'm not mad about it. But it's also, like, not textbook. And that is. That is kind of Robbie's general zone, and it's certainly his general zone with somebody who he feels like he knows well enough to know Louis, to know, like, whatever happens today, yeah, Louis is probably coming back here one way or the other. And that's a fatalist way to look at it. But it's the track record.

[B]

What's the saddest the Pit has ever made? You, like, what storyline got you the hardest?

[C]

I think season one, I mean, look, like the drug overdose teenager was tough walking. Like, everyone stop the hero walk out. That one was tough. But honestly, for me, I think it was the adult siblings trying to find a way to say goodbye to their dying father and learning what that really means. That again, I think this show is masterful in just the variety of cases it will present you. And wherever you are in your life, it's gonna needle at that point in time really, really hard. And I'm not going through anything like that personally right this second, but we all stare down some version of that in time, and it got me really hard.

[B]

That hero walk I think about a lot. And also Dr. King, Dr. Mel King talking to, like, the little girl whose sister died.

[C]

I almost forgot. Jesus Christ.

[B]

This has been the Prestige TV podcast. A very uplifting and fun podcast to listen to. I mean, I did love the woman who potentially expose Ogilvy to tv. Yeah. Consider minding your own business was a great line.

[C]

She's right.

[B]

Yeah. You got time to let us do that? Where the do you think I have to be like. I really like to.

[C]

Everyone is over his whole deal, even people who just met him 13 seconds ago.

[B]

Worst bedside manner in the entire. And that's. And Joy's here. And he clears that bar, you know.

[C]

Joy leaps over it. Not even close.

[B]

Yeah. All right. Did we do it?

[C]

I think we did it.

[B]

All right. Well, thank you, Rob. Thanks to Kai Grady.

[C]

Always.

[B]

And thanks to Baby Jane. So we'll see you next for our industry pod, which is coming early this week because industry is dropping early because of the Super Bowl. Ever heard of it? So I think our industry episode is going up Friday or Saturday, something like that. Somewhere a little early prestige. Tvotify.com and Dr. Cymaxmail.com. you work at a water park.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And want to let us know it's a perfectly safe place to be.

[C]

No one who works at a water park is going to defend it. They've been through too much. They've seen too many things.

[B]

All right, okay, follow up.

[C]

If you thought this was an explosive shit episode, can you even imagine.

[B]

Ron, come on.

[C]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Come on. What's the worst thing you, a water park employee, have ever seen at the water park?

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

And can it be Ron? Mom's Old Testament infestation story?

[C]

I'm talking tens, if not hundreds of thousands of crickets. It was. It was a lot.

[B]

Texas seems like not a great place. All right, we'll see you soon.

[C]

Bye.