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‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 9: Fireworks, Furries, and a Foineeeee Radiologist
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Foreign. Hello, welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast feed. I'm Jordan Robinson.
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I am Rob Mahoney.
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It is 3:00pm it is episode 9. Congrats to the Pit for winning the SAG Ensemble Award. It was a delight to see the cast of the Pit at the featured very prominently Jo the Actor Awards, as they have preferred to rename themselves. And more importantly, there's a furry with heat exhaustion. I repeat, there is a furry with heat exhaustion in the back. That's a talent I didn't know you had, Rob.
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Look, this is what we play for, Joe. This is why we're here waiting for the furries to show up.
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I've never been more excited in my entire life. I leapt off my couch. I was so thrilled. Do we dare like, should we commit to the record what we've the bargain we've reached with our producer Kai about the appearance of a furry on the show.
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I am willing to do it. I don't even know that we struck a bargain so much as we just kind of foisted this upon Kai and he love to foist but he agreed to it way too fast, like very quickly.
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Yeah, I think that's when he was trying to get us into lab coats and gloves and stethoscopes and so he's like, you put on this accoutrement which you can see on our Instagram prestige TV pod. Right on Instagram. And TikTok, that is the one on Instagram. You can see us in Dr. Drag for a segment that we're working on here for the podcast.
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Well, do you want to start there? Jo? Our segment that we have been assured by Kai is not a sketch of
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any kind, even though it involves costumes
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and props and scripts occasionally. The sum of that bit is we're doing TV prescriptions for our listeners, for our social media followers. If you would like to call our phone number 909-313-4046 and leave us a voicemail. Do not hang up.
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Don't get out of line.
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Stay. Stay in line.
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Stay in line.
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Fulfill the prompts on the voicemail.
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Yeah.
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And we may offer you a prescription of what you need in your TV
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life while wearing lab coats and glasses and gloves and stethoscopes because as one does. But it's not a skit, so don't worry, we're professional.
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Definitely not. But as a trade.
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Yes. Yeah. What.
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What have we asked of Kai in return, Joe?
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We struck up bar. We foisted on Kai the proposition of this. If a furry does indeed show up on this season of the Pit, and if you're just dropping into this feed, the reason we're so excited for this Furry is one of our listeners let us know weeks ago that Anthrocon, which got a name drop in this episode,
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was a year ago. Joe, like, coming off of season one, our listeners were like, if it's going to be in the summer, you need to look out for Anthrocon.
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Is that when it came in? Okay. Oh, my gosh. All right. A long time ago, our listeners have been on this beat. Anthrocon the furries, and we struck a deal with Kaid, which is if a furry shows up on the Pit, with which indeed, per Rob Mahoney's air horn impression, one did, he would don a furry costume before this season of the show and the podcast is over. So Kai's not always on camera, but he will be on camera for this and he will be wearing a furry costume. And we say that not to disrespect the furry community, which gets a great rap inside of this episode. This is a very pro furry episode of the Pit, and I support that, without a doubt. But we do want to put Kai in a furry costume and he said he will do it.
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There was also, like a sub deal proffered where we were talking about being so disappointed if a furry didn't show up. Would we then require Kai to also be a furry? So he kind of. We could only win and he could kind of only lose. I don't know. Kai, do you want to come up to the front of the class and talk about your imminent future as a furry.
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For those who are watching this, they should know that you and Rob are wearing the same shirt.
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That's right.
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They should just know that.
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That's pure coincidence. We are but two boys who play tennis and are connected by fate. You know, what did we land on? Soft? What was it like? Film princes? Is that what it was? I think that's what it was. Film princes. I don't know. Something.
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Yeah, Kai, just like, let us know how excited are you for your furry adventure?
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I'm feeling multiple feelings, many emotions. Mainly excited, you know, excited for this new journey. We got to see what it's like. Just like, I'm worried about how hot it's going to be. Maybe people can email in and give me some tips.
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But I'm a little.
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I'm a little worried about that part of it more than anything, you know.
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Okay, Rob, where can folks send their furry tips for Kai?
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They can always send them, Joe, to prestigetvpotify.com but of course, for the Pit and for this specifically. Drsydbangsmail.com and I mean, Kai informed us right before we started recording that apparently some variations, like the. The lizarding variations of furries, are actually called scalies. Reptiles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's. It's really a subclassification.
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We're learning a lot. We're learning a lot.
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We're learning a lot.
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We love to learn.
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We have a lead on where, like, kind of what we want to put Kai in. I'll tease that it's aquatic oriented, but I don't think we need to say more than that. And I, I'm, you know, eager to find out what its subclassification is in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure we are. It's going to be an educational experience through and through.
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I'm so excited. Kai, thank you for being a good spoiler at this.
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Just the best.
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Is this the season finale? Sort of like, sort of special, don't you think? Like, celebrate the end of the season.
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I think that makes sense. That feels right. I think we all need to be in the same place, you know, get those nice cameras going.
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We're doing this in HD.
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That goes without saying. How about 4K?
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Yeah, 4K, we are doing this. All right. Thank you, Kai.
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Of course, it is going to be a little strange, Joe, when there's like another mass casualty event and here's Kai sitting in studio in a furry costume.
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I mean, speaking of which, Rob Mahoney, how do you feel about, I guess, being on the right side of history when it comes to water parks inside of this episode.
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This isn't the kind of history I wanted to be on the right side of. I'm not any happier about it than you are.
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Okay. This episode is directed by Sean Hadassey. And, you know, Dr. Abbott is here. Really good. Dr. Abbott. Robbie, scene at the end of this episode that I talked to you about. Did you like this episode of television, Rob Mahoney?
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How could I not? I mean, we have a furry. We have a hot radiologist. Everything is happening for us all at once. And I did find it to be a thrilling episode and as usual, quite an emotional one.
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I do want to hit some emails really quickly. Our listener, Leslie. So said former bedside nurse here, now working in research, but very grateful I never had to deal with paper charting. I think the pharmacist. So we talked about Dr. Megan Nord, who is still in a. In a wide shot inside of this episode.
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Jo. She almost made it into the foreground. Yeah. And then as she's walking closer, the camera pan. It was. What a cruel joke.
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Leslie said, I think the pharmacist has to stand next to the machine that dispenses the meds because it can't be locked, unlocked, triggered electronically during the blackout. I get why she's there. Rob and I are not disputing that. We're just saying that doesn't prevent the camera from getting closer to this actress if it wanted to. So, yeah.
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Why is the camera 100 yards away at any given point in time? I just think we could switch it up a little bit.
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It's a great question. A lot of listeners wrote in and commented about this idea. We were talking last week about Mel sort of being distracted by the deposition. I don't know if you heard that she has a deposition and sort of saying something insensitive around a patient. And we were like, oh, that seems out of character. And then we got a lot of Will actually's. Mel has done this before, couple times. And so this is. This is Mel, who is extraordinarily good at her job. This is one thing that she bumps on sometimes, is just getting, like, overly excited about sort of like a medical mystery or something like that, and saying something that perhaps the patient doesn't want to hear. So that's something to think about. Also, the Trinity Santos line from last week about the blood alcohol level, like, want to guess because it's fun, is a direct callback to something that Langdon said to her in season one. Word for word. And I believe. I couldn't completely confirm this, but I believe he said it about Louis. So it's like a real twist of the knife from Santos to say that. I mean, it already felt, we both already felt like it was a twist of the knife, but now we understand, like how twisty that particular stab was.
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Cuts even deeper to say the least.
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Yeah, Yeah, I found out this isn't from an email, but I found out just from like, I think Instagram or whatever that like. So a few of the background nurses in the show are actual nurses. Like, we knew that nurse Jessie, Ned Brower had a background, but there's like a couple other ones. Like there's the guy with the glasses with the clear frames. There's like an older gentleman, there's like a middle aged woman with like reddish hair. Those are all. And then Nurse Kim who's had like several lines. Those are all actual RNs who are sort of medical advisors on the set. Yeah, but they're there to sort of make, you know, to move more naturally in the background of a shot during a thing and to call out stats more naturally inside of a scene. So I thought that was really cool that like those, you know, I had been noticing clear frames, glasses, guy a bit more, and I was like, does that guy have a name? I'm sure he does have a name, but I was like, who is that guy? What's his deal? And then it turns out he's a real nurse. So that's exciting, you know.
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Joe, have you ever gone clear frames?
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I never could. I never would.
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Wow. That was, I. That was, there was a lot in that response.
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You don't have a face for it. And I don't think I have the face for it. I think I need a, like a, A dark, chunky, heavy frame on my face. You know what I mean? Wire rim. I can't handle that either. I think I need, I need something a little bit more intensive. So, you know, see, I'm stumbling into
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all kinds of worlds of education today. Thank you. Thank you for bringing me up to speed. But you know, glass is not my forte.
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I, I mean, once again, people can go on our Instagram and see you in fake glasses, but yeah, you have to find the right, you have to find the right frames for your face. It's like whole thing I want to, I want to dig into one more email that we got from a listener. It was a point that I kind of wanted to, to bring up with you last week. And I didn't really find A way to talk about it. So I'm really glad our listener Ryan wrote in about this. About this idea of Howard as a character. And you were. You were talking a bit about, like, the story. The story that they tell about Howard and, like, how he got to the weight that he got into. Like that. And our listener Ryan was sort of bringing up this idea of, like, did we need sort of, like, a story about Howard or is just the fact that he's a human and he deserves dignity, like, sort of enough? And I had been thinking about that, not just with Howard, but with, like, with Louis. And, like, we get this story after Louis passes about, like, how, you know, he became an alcoholic. Inside of this episode, we have Roxy say, like, I never even smoked a cigarette. There are ways in which these. These Pit backstories. Because the Pit is so interested in, like, challenging your preconceived notions about characters and about. Definitely, right? So, like, don't judge this. Don't judge this patient. You don't know how they got this way. And. And don't judge this doctor for their brusque or whatever demeanor. We're gonna, you know, twist, twist, twist the camera on a different angle on this person. You're gonna, like, see that you misjudged them. So the Pit really likes to say, you've misjudged this person, or slow down before you make a judgment or something like that. So I understand that that's something that Pitt likes to do across the board. And of course, we want backstories on characters. Like, of course, I was having an argument with someone about this where they're like, well, do you mean you don't want any backstories on characters? Like, no, obviously, like, that's TV drama. Like, I understand. I just think that sometimes the Pit feels the need to, like, turn people into little angels. And, like, though, you know, through no fault of their own, are they X, Y, and Z. And I don't know that that really gives you that sort of, like, everyone deserves dignity and empathy the way that just saying, like, just their existence means they deserve dignity and empathy. Do you know what I mean?
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Totally. And I think this, in this case, it may have been a great opportunity to just have him be a person without a backstory. Like, I was ultimate, like, moved and interested in that idea. But as far as what that character could be standing in for the larger show. And frankly, it's a stronger statement, not in this. In the case of this character, but anyone who rolls into the er, if they are, like, an imperfect person, if they are just a person of the world who has their flaws, who may be fed into some of their self destructive instincts in this way or that, as we all do, and yet they're still deserving of care just like everybody else is.
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Yeah, I was like, I was thinking about the college age kid who has like brain death in season one. And it's like, it's because he took drugs, but the drugs were laced with fentanyl. You know what I mean? Like, there's just so many cases where it's just sort of like, but this just happened to them and that happens all the time. But like, I think that, you know, the Pit, as we've mentioned before, not always like the most nuanced show that exists, but I think as it goes on it could afford to have a few more like, okay, yeah, this person is an addict or this, that or the other thing, and they don't need sort of like an shine the halo Angelic reason as, as to why do you know. But if people disagree, I'm, I'm. It's an. It's an interesting conversation, I think, to have.
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Definitely.
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I don't. I'm not sure I'm right, but I was really compelled by this listener email and it got me thinking about across the board, sort of this tendency that the Pit has. Another point that Ryan made separate from this point that I really liked is he was like. The revelation of Joy's eidetic memory means that like every time Ogilvy sort of like jumped the gun and answered a question, she definitely knew the answer and she was just sort of like watching him twist. Like, we kind of already knew that about her, but like, this really underlines that whole dynamic even more, which I think is pretty fantastic. And then this is the question that I have for you, Rob, please. It is extremely hot. We've got a furry with heat exhaustion. We've got people just sort of like in pools of sweat in chairs. It's hot outside. Perla, like, complains about how hot it is outside when she's asked to go into the ambulance bay, et cetera.
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The waiting room smells to high hell, as we're told repeatedly throughout these episodes.
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But we have so many characters wearing hoodies, so many doctors wearing hoodies for their entire shift. Now, like, I'm willing to entertain the idea that the ERED is like highly air conditioned, but, like, I don't. I was just sort of like, it's. They go like, they go to great lengths to tell us how hot it is. And then like McKay's wearing her $200 Aviator Nation hoodie like, the entire shift. I just have some questions about it.
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Especially if we're gonna tell a proper summer story, I need it to be, like, full Summer of Sam, right? I need everyone to be sweating bullets. I need people to be getting, like, increasingly exasperated with each other. Like, I want to turn the temperature up in the pit in every possible respect. So if those hoodies aren't tied around shoulders or waists by the end of this, then I think we have failed ourselves as a. As a watching society.
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I mean, this is. I mean, it's definitely a costuming choice to sort of differentiate. So everyone's not wearing the same, like, pair of scrubs. But I still have some questions about it. All right, where do you want to start inside of this episode? Which case do you want to go into?
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Yeah, do we start with a furry? Do we start with something serious? Do we start with something in between or a character beat? I'm torn, Joe. I mean, honestly, there's a. There's a lot of red meat in this episode. Maybe that's the place to start. I want to talk about the people in this episode who are being gawked at as if they are pieces of meat, including our new hot radiologist friend who have we ever seen Victoria Giovanni so locked in on anything in the pit so far as this man, Dr. Nick Barker.
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Do you feel like. You feel like Mateo should be jealous? Wherever he is, getting resting up for his night shift, he should be upset to see Victoria edge ruling over Dr. Nick Barker here.
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I've never seen anyone look at Mateo like this, and maybe he's too down to earth and relatable. Maybe this is just like the new kid on the block kind of syndrome. But, I mean, the whole nurses station is ground to a halt by his arrival. Princess, like, is frozen in time, mouth agape, and then just, like, making repeated passes at him. I'm just saying he's having quite an effect on the entire floor.
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So this is the guy who Princess sort of told us about earlier in the season, right? She's like, there's a new hot doctor in radiology, I think. Right. And I just love how annoyed Dana and Robbie are by this, as they should be. Perla just sort of snapping Princess out of her trance. I did really enjoy Joy, like, showing this guy up.
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He doesn't seem very good at his job. I know we're just meeting him, but
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I think this is. I mean, send your emails if you're angry if I say this, but I Think this is another July effect moment, right? He's brand new in radiology and he's sort of making some, he's hot, but he's making some errors. So you know, we're doing our best out here. Dr. Nick Barker on that front. Are you interested in the listener generated list of hottest moments on the pit?
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You already know that I am.
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I gave, I, I put together a top 10 list based on comments that we got on TikTok and Instagram, et cetera. This is throughout the whole series. This is your official list. You might be surprised who made it on the list twice, but here we are. Number 10, I'm giving it to season one, episode nine, Dr. Whitaker kills a rat. Right? He just snaps the next what? Here's what I'll say. Our listeners, you know how you were like, oh Joanna, you really like calm reassurance or whatever. They like kind of violent, sort of aggressive, I mean like sort of smirky, snarky, like that's what they seem, find, seem to find really hot.
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So you know, that part doesn't surprise me. A man killing a rat. I am sorry. I don't care who that man is. Is not a hot thing. That's, that's not it.
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Number nine, Dr. Santos. Trini Santos threatens a potential child molester with. Blink twice if you agree with this. Once if you want me to let you die. That is, that is Also in season one, season two, episode two, Dr. Robbie holds baby Jane Doe. You know it's, it's a classic for a reason. In season one, episode two, Dr. Mohan yelling everyone to see stop when the sickle cell patient comes in. And Samira just like bellows for everyone to stop and freeze and they do, they listen to her again. Our listeners like aggression and I love that for them. Back on the list, Dr. Whitaker, and this was a really popular one, uncapping the syringe behind his back in season one, episode four, right before he gets urinated on. So not the act of urination but the pre urination behind the back seat. Syringe readying. Yeah, our listeners were quite feral for this in the comments. So I thought that was really interesting.
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That's a great shout.
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Next on the list, Dr. Frank Langdon, er Ken himself has made his first appearance asking the anti vaxxer mom if she wants a mask during surgery in season one, episode nine. It's very snarky like so mask or no mask, what do you think? Right, Can I tell you who agrees
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with that pick, Joe? The Jackies, who are again looking at Langdon in this episode, as if they
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might devour him, as if he is the three bead. Or however many beans are in that dip.
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Okay, on that front, obviously, she's told she can't eat anything crispy. So you're just eating a layered bean dip with a spoon, and that's a treat?
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I think it depends how many layers there are, because then at a certain point, you're just eating beans with guac, which doesn't sound too bad, but if there's a lot of sour cream involved, then I'm not vibing. What if it's just beans, guac, and salsa? That sounds kind of good.
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No, but you need the chip. That's the whole point.
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What about a soft tortilla? Can I interest you in a soft tortilla?
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Maybe we can negotiate.
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Okay, great. Almost done with this list. Dr. McKay drills off her ankle. Ankle monitor in season one, episode 13. Number three, really high on the list. Dr. Mel King finishes the spinal tap before measles mom can intervene and sort of smirks at her and says, all done. Okay, that was very high. Number two on the list. Dr. Garcia. Yolanda Garcia. Season two, episode two screens I am the ordinary while resetting an arm.
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We regret the error on that.
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We really do regret the error. Number one, he's back here. It's Dr. Jack Abbott. Donating blood while saving lives. Season 1, Episode 12 so that is the top 10 list, according to our listeners who like rat killers. They really like Whitaker a lot, which is fine.
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No objections.
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They like blood. They like threats. They just like. They like their pit doctors aggressive. I like them sort of soft and gentle. They like them aggressive.
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You know what they like, Joe? They like comeuppance. They like. They like the little snark. Like we have. We have. We have triumphed over this patient's parent who's been an asshole this whole time and finally gets what for.
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Speaking of what for, Dr. Abbott? Naked yoga. Do you think people are gonna be normal about this, or how do you think that people are gonna react?
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They always are. They're always super normal about all this stuff. The fan art I'm sure is. Is not out there already.
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Great. All right. On a genuine, genuinely more serious note, after furries and hot moments and all the other things we talked about, we. I will say this. This. This is the pit really getting me with like a. Are you sure, Joanna? All season I've been like, hey, it's fourth of July. When are we gonna see someone, you know, blow. Blow something. Fingers off with a firecracker and Then young Jude comes in, and I'm like, not like this. I wanted an adult dummy, not a poor kid who has this, like, whole backstory, and his sister comes in. So thanks, the Pit, for showing me myself in the mirror. I appreciate it. So here we are. We have Jude and his sister Chantal and Santos, once again, right off the back of this lullaby moment with a baby. And this has been a consistent thing with Trinity, actually across both seasons, is this protectiveness around children. So what did you make of Santos and Jude and Chantal and the whole storyline we get here?
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I mean, I think the repeated instances from Santos in terms of being the person in the room who is comforting Jude the most. Right. It's like, when he's not ready to see his hand, she's the one to assure him he doesn't have to. When, you know, everyone is telling him how scary, you know, the surgery's gonna be, how severe this injury is. She's always the one who's giving the silver lining. I love that we're seeing this part of her kind of come to the fore more and more, especially when I know she has these, like, wild, like, double focused ambitions in terms of what she envisions for her career. But it does feel like she is being kind of slowly nudged towards. Hey, if you wanted to be on a pediatric path, this could be something you're really good at. At the same time that, you know, Joy is. Is showing a knack for radiology, and Samira Mohan's being nudged into, like, to a geriatrics fellowship, it's like everyone is kind of finding what they are good at, and whether they listen to those things is interesting in and of itself, but it's so clear that she's great with exactly these kinds of patients.
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Listening to Supriya, who plays Samira, talk about how her. Her interpretation of the way that Mohan receives that from Dr. Alashimi is, like, a bit of resentment that, like, she can't hack it, that she needs something, like, a little slower, which is interesting, because that hadn't really occurred to me. But, like, I also wonder how Santos would react if someone was like, hey, have you thought about pediatric, like, these people who are, like, here in the ER because they're, like, somewhat adrenaline junkies or something like that. And it's like, have you tried. Thought about peas? Have you thought about geriatric care? Like, I don't. I. I don't know. It's interesting to me.
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Well, one of my favorite things about Santos is no matter what you try to tell her, she would probably fight you about it, whatever you tell her that she's good at or should do. Like, I. I think she just has very specific ideas for herself and. And wants to be driven by, like, something internal. And so until she. She feels that call, I don't even think it's gonna matter that this is something she's clearly gifted. Gifted for or set for, it's gonna have to be something that she finds herself, I think.
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John Wells gave an interview last week where he was talking about the fact that there's gonna be, like, an ICE storyline inside of the season at the Actor Awards. Like, every single Pit actor was asked about this plotline on the red carpet. They've all been media trained to hell to talk about it. I don't know that that's what's happening here with the Jews storyline, but we do get the mention of, like, his parents and being deported to Haiti at their immigration hearing. What. What did you think of this? Of this moment?
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I did take it as that maybe it was just because I had been, again, like, conditioned to look for the ICE storylines, given the news and the commentary about it. But this does seem like a firecracker case in the Trojan horse of, like, a sibling care story in the Trojan horse of, like, at least ICE adjacent storytelling. And if this is that, if this is the much ballyhooed ICE case, I find this to be wildly restrained based on what the Pit usually is, where this is a show that has commentary on every kind of case that comes to the ED and the most we really get, at least to this point, maybe it evolves beyond this. Maybe Santos and Robby really dig in and get their takes off so far. It's just, man, shitty things really do happen around here. I'm shocked if that is all that there is with something as touchy and interesting and potentially fertile for exploration as this.
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So would you say this is not, like, your standard, like, living out with
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a Pit moment feels like they're running from living out with the Pit, that they're scared of the fight in a way that I'm not conditioned for the Pit to be.
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Kai, if they do wind up digging into this plotline, what do you think would be a good response to that? Kai?
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You're just gonna drop that on me?
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That's my pal Jenny. Owen Young's.
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B
I was about to say, I recogn. I recognize those vocal stylings anywhere. And who better, frankly, to hit us with exactly this sting?
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Anytime you want to call for it, Rob, it's available to you. I will be taking living out with the pit.
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B
I will be taking liberal advantage if you'll allow it, Joe.
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A
Of course I will. Okay, let's talk about Becca and Mel. Right? So Becca shows up the exact wrong time, right? Mel has to go off for her deposition. Mel takes off literally, like, running. When she finds out her sister's there, who gets to sign to the case but Dr. Langdon. I could not be more ecstatic if I tried. We get. Langdon gets another run around the track with a. Can you turn off the lights? Closed the doors as you guys. He loves that move now as his new favorite. So excited for this to see where this goes. He's so, like. He and Perla were, like, just so, so kind and lovely, and I'm just sort of like, as. As I continue to enjoy the Dr. Langdon redemption arc. They couldn't have set him up better. Robbie's like, I don't want to give him this case. And he was sort of like doing his Dr. Robbie peer through the window. How is Frank doing here? But Langdon's crushing it, as far as I can tell. So. And Mel. And Mel seems so. She's like, not an R2 anyone, but at R2. So how did you feel about this?
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Oh, I mean, I adored it. And Langdon is right in telling Mel that Becca's in good hands, right? He, like, you can just tell from his communication style. He's talking to her differently than he does almost any other patient. The level of care, the level of attention, the level of specificity in talking through exactly what's going to be happening and why it's all okay is very touching stuff to watch. And I also love, from Becca's perspective, she gets to meet all of her favorite characters from her favorite television show, the Pit, in real life, Dr. Ravi. And so it just makes for an amazing dynamic. I will say, the one part of it that caught me, once you think about it, is Mel. As we've talked about, she and Langdon have this, like, quite profound relationship that they've really bonded. They've also worked together for, at this point, 1.5 working days. And so the idea that Mel is at home saying all of these nice things about Langdon all the time, I
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mean, for 10 months, you know, it
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hits a little different when you think about the timetable.
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It's a great point. And I do like that he's like, okay.
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Like, when she says that, it's really the only response.
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I do think it's interesting. Becca comes in with a couple things like, you know, I've been to the Doctor Before Mel. And also, like, my name isn't my sister. It's Becca. You know, these sort of, like, little moments of, like, individuation or independence that I think is interesting. Inside of that dynamic, we see that Mel cares so much about her sister, and we love that about her. But, like, you know, how much is she actually, like, acknowledging her sister as, like, her own person? You know, I. I have some questions about that.
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Well, just also the idea that Mel, for all of that care and love, doesn't nail it every time with Becca, doesn't have all of this stuff, like, ironed out to perfection.
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Right.
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You know, in. In these haggard moments, like, you're gonna mess some things up. You're gonna say something that rubs Becca the wrong way. Like that for someone who cares as much as Mel does about her sister.
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Howard comes back here. He's going up for surgery. You know, Dr. Jack Abbott gets to be charming and funny, like, through all of it. Again, people, I think, are going to be incredibly normal about that. Then we get this scene with Howard and his sister in the ambulance bay, and it just, like, absolutely decimated me. I thought it was really well done. Once again, not just the actor who's played. Who's playing Howard, who we've called out in the previous episode, but, like, the reaction shots with Whitaker and Abbott, the actress who plays his sister, sort of on the FaceTime, the, like, the. Like almost in the background, oh, I forgot to tell him I loved him sort of moment. So we don't know. I mean, like, Howard's chances are quite low, according to Garcia, in terms of heading up to surgery. We're not going to go to surgery with him. Another thing that we should say. Friend of the pod, Matt Mitovich emailed me an interview that he did with the folks on the show asking about Mel's deposition, and they were basically like, we are not going to go up to the deposition. So, like, we're. We're never going up to surgery. We're not going to go up and see Mel in her deposition. We're going to, like, the ambulance bay and no further. It seems like is. Is sort of the ethos of the show. So, like, I'm gonna be on tenterhooks to see, like, if Howard's gonna make it or not. But this is just, like, no matter what happens, this is just like an emotionally wrecking ball of a. Of a scene for me.
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I don't know that I can ever remember a FaceTime call or a video call on screen that got this sort of emotional response out of me. Usually, like, as soon as you put screen on screen on screen, there's just, like, a level of disconnect that neuters some of the power of it. And this one just amplified it. Right. Like, I think some of it is just the physical and emotional distance between Howard and his sister after all of these years, where they haven't been in contact, where he doesn't even really know his nephew. And it's like taking what could be his last moments just to, like, catch up with family is such a beautiful idea. And you're right. Like, I feel myself rooting for Howard maybe above and beyond any other patient in the history of the pit so far. Like, I need him to come through alive, despite the fact that 50. 50. I mean, being forced to confront that sort of proposition is unbelievable.
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But again, like, from Garcia, who is, like, pretty brutal. Los Santos inside this episode does not. Has never shown, like, tremendous bedside manner. There's, like, some. Some grace from Garcia in. In letting Howard know what his actual chances are. And I am just like, that got me more than anything else in this episode. And this is an episode where, you know, Roxy asks McKay, like, for any advice and says, I've never died before. Which also, like. Well, actually, the moment in Roxy storyline that really got me was, like, when the kids come in with the ice cream, and her older son says, like, we're starting with salted caramel, which is mom's favorite. Like, it's just, like. And then for the rest of his life, like, that's just gonna be.
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B
I know.
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A
You know, is he ever gonna be able to eat salted caramel ice cream again? Like, I just. Yeah, it's really, really, really, really tough. How. How much. I don't know how to. How to ask this question, but, like, does this feel like Roxy's last episode? Like, do you feel like. You know, because this. This closing conversation with McKay was so profound and emotional and. And just really looking the end in the face is what it seemed like in all of her family is gone at the moment. So, like, what do you. What do you. What do you anticipate for the storyline? Or do you care to wonder about that at all?
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B
I think we'll probably get one more. Like, one more week with Roxy and whether it will be a chance to say goodbye or if it will be more abrupt than anyone anticipates, like, that's one area where the pit can sometimes surprise you. But I just. I have found this. And we've talked about Roxy and her story a lot. It's been coming up week after week. It's been so impactful every time. And it's just been one of these, like, emotional pressure points that the show can jab anytime it wants to and has been so effective across the board. And there's always those little moments like you're saying with the ice cream Joe, or for me, it was like when her youngest tried to hop up in bed with her. And the wince from Roxy, like she's in so much pain and has been hiding it from her family for so long in a really gracious showing to them. Right. And trying to conceal from them how much, how hard this has been for her. And kind of internalizing and processing that, I think has just been one of the more emotional parts of this story. But I love that the show is letting it play out the way it has because this is not unlike other cases that roll through the pit, like, subject to the speed of care or the effectiveness of this or that medicine. Like, it's just one of those things that has to play out in its own time. And the fact that they're letting it do that week over week over week, I found to be really, really effective.
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There's something about like that homemade quilt on the bed, you know, the pictures of her kids around her, like a Himalayan salt light picture. I know. I was just like, it's just really the attempt to make this very sterile environment feel comfortable and homey and safe for this moment, for this woman's life, this confession she makes to her husband that she's been in so much pain and has been hiding in it. So just really.
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C
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Car selling made easy on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply. Tough. McKay is obviously not just dealing with Roxy. She's got a number of other patients. And there's this PCOS patient, patient who comes in. A learning moment for Whitaker about, you know, again, this is something the Pit does over and over again. This idea of, like, it's not just like shame or accident or whatever that can, like, land you in the ed. It can be like not being listened to by doctors when you've tried to get treatment for something. And so this, you know, she comes in, they have to do this pregnancy test on her. This is like such an aggravating thing that women have to go through. It doesn't matter, like, what's going on in your life. You have to take a pregnancy test, which feels very like handmaid sale to me. But like, and then for Whitaker to say, like, well, you know, we'll just send her home with some payments and make it say, like, don't you think that's what other doctors have said to her? And then to watch the excruciating 12 out of 10 pain, she is like, oh, my God. Just a few moments, like minutes later. Yeah. And this like, extremely serious thing that's going on with her and also just like, you know, the invasiveness of a transvaginal, like, ultrasound and like, all this sort of stuff is just like, really, but really frustrating that it's not like it's someone who has tried to take care of themselves and been let down again and again by the medical community, which is something that Pitt has talked about before, but, like, is worth, like, continuously revisiting. I think so, definitely.
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B
And this woman, Amaya, I think is a really interesting sort of regular, like a different kind of regular to doctor's offices than we've confronted in the PIT before, where because of that, like, she's going in and not getting answers and not getting answers and not being taken seriously and not having her pain understood or heard in any capacity. And so I found it really interesting that McKay's kind of first blush reaction is almost like defensiveness for her profession. Right. It's like, oh, these things take time to diagnose sometimes in a way that's like, explaining away what Amaya has been through. And then she kind of immediately corrects with Whitaker, as you mentioned, Joe, and being the one to advocate for keeping Amaya for observation. And not only is that 12 out of 10 pain just, like, hard to watch, but when you think about that, probably would have been her driving home, right? Like, that would have been her on, like, with no access to just, like, jump back into a doctor's office. Best case, she's out in that waiting room, like, biding her time to be seen again. And maybe this is a reach on my part, but I think there's something about the mirror of this case and the one that Javati is going through with her patient who, like, very rapidly has a condition that worsens and worsens and worsens to the point that she now is in need of, like, very serious surgery. And maybe it's because both. Both of these women's organs are literally twisting. And one of them, McKay and. And Whitaker, to. To, you know, to. His involvement in this, too, are, like, monitoring and are there and are observing and are there kind of closely ready to respond when something goes wrong. Versus part of what Javati kind of fumbles in this episode is by not putting her patient through, like, the right processes. She falls through the cracks and nearly ends up dying as a result of just, like, medical oversight on this, like, crazy, weird day in the pit. Sure. But medical oversight nonetheless.
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It's really interesting parallel how, like, how much do you think, you know, Robbie's like, we got a debrief on this later. Like, how much. How much should Victoria get for something like, you know, like, we. We've seen this time and again with. With doctors in the pit. You know, Whitaker had, you know, a patient die on him in season one. Like, you know, this woman does not die. But, like, you know, Victoria made a mistake not understanding the analog process of what's going on here. Dana's defensive of her nurses, you know, all this sort of stuff like that. Like, how much is this? How much should this land on Victoria and end? How much do you anticipate Robbie being, like, having a reasonable conversation with her or having one of his, like, more unreasonable conversations with her?
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You know, I. I think part of why. I don't know how to answer that question is I don't know what the reasonable conversation is with something like this. And the. The pit is so good at kind of putting these ideas before you about what is the right amount of responsibility for someone like Javadi to take even, you know, take the analog part out of it. If this was just a normal oversight. If Javati takes the full emotional brunt of every case like this that happens in which she misses something, she will be a crater of a person in, like, a week, right? Like, just the frequency and the power and the heft of these cases is like, no one is gonna get it. All right? And we're told that over and over again at the same time, when Garcia kind of reads her the riot act, or really, her and Whitaker both calls her a Nepo baby, calls her a Nepo baby, and, like, rightly is taking her to task for fucking this up, turning what could have been a very quick procedure into now, like, very serious surgery for this woman. I don't hear a lot of, like, accountability from Javati. It's a lot of general, like, oh, we missed this. Oh, it was overlooked. It's not like, I did this. And when she's really pushed, she finally apologizes. But it's like, for me, a lot of what she's responding to in this episode is a lot more coming from a place of fear than accountability.
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A
I've been thinking so much about what you said last week, about the way in which Robbie doles out praise and censure and the way, like. And how thoughtful and kind he can be with his praise, and then how thoughtless and reactive he can be with his censure, and how often there are, like, specific people, like, in season one, very much like McKay and Mohan being, like, real targets of his. Of his lashing out, you know, which is not. You know, which is not to say it's always the same people, but I do think that is, like, of all the, like, fatal flaws inside of Robbie, there's this, like. I don't know. It got really dark in this episode when. When Robbie was talking to Abbott about his trip, and Abbott's like, if it gets dark, you know, you call me and. And Robbie says, like, if I come back, like, I'm not sure how seriously I'm supposed to be taking these sort of very, very ominous moments from Robbie inside of this season. And as we wonder who is fit to lead the ED, you know, like, is Dr. Al Hashimi fit to lead the ED? Robbie doesn't think so. In many ways, we have. We're working with even more information about, like, her neurological state and stuff like that. But, like, Robbie. I mean, this is a question for Robbie in season one, right? Like, he Is he. Is this, in many ways this exemplary leader of again, non gendered men? Sort of like, like the exact kind of like paternal, like, sure figure that you want. But then there are these moments of anger and it almost is like self anger that just sort of spills out onto all these people around him. And maybe that's just like a very realistic portrait of someone who operates under as much pressure as he operates inside of this show. I love a complicated character, so I like that he's not all one thing or another. I've just been thinking a lot about that sort of distinction that you drew last week as I look at this
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character going forward along those lines. Joe. I was really surprised at how the conversation between Robbie and Whitaker went in the break room when Robbie finally we get the seed planted from Santos telling Robbie about everything that's been going on with WH and his like part time farming, part time stepdadding lifestyle that he's taken on. I don't know why, but I kind of expected Whitaker to say, like, this is none of your business. A little bit like it. For a conversation that was ostensibly about boundaries, it felt like Robbie was really overstepping his bounds.
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Yeah. Where was the you're not my dad energy straight up. But I mean, this has been the sort of Robbie Whitaker, like, teacher's pet sort of relationship, which is just, just, you know, I love Whitaker too. Our listeners love Whitaker. So, like, if there is to be a teacher's pet, may it be the rat killer himself. But tracking how Robbie treats different people is, is. Is a fascinating thing to watch. Ramoni, what would you call a. A spherical object that's made out of rubber bands? What would you call it?
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B
I would call it a rubber band ball.
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A
I would also call it a rubber band ball.
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B
Maybe we're too simple.
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A
Well, I just think this might be a regional thing. They call it a gumband twice inside of this episode. Right. Or do you have a gumband and they throw the ball? So maybe that's just like a rubber band is a gumband.
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B
I think so.
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A
Right.
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B
I. I have never heard the phrase gumband in my life.
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A
I have also never heard. I've heard rubber band elastic. But that's usually for like a hair tie. Right? Like, do you have an elastic? Yeah, but gumband. Please do email us if this is, if this is a regionalism that we are unaware of. But I bring it up to segue us into talking about Monica, who is this sort of person who has shown up, played by iconic. That guy Rusty Schwimmer. Here she is. Like, I was. I was so excited to see her. She's just like, oh, yeah. Just like an incredible presence whenever she shows up. And I just, like, love her. Her. I've seen it all shit. Her, like, I got laid off because of technology. How's that working out for you motherfuckers? Her, like, when Robbie walks out, she's like Rabinowitz. Like, it' like, really good shit from her. So how did Monica's appearance work for you?
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B
Well, I love that Dr. Alashimi, who isn't in this episode a ton, but got looped into that conversation just so she can eat crow one more time. On the tech front, she's just kind of taking strays left and right. And then Abbott is kind of like, looking at her from across the room. And that's most of her episode. But look, we needed Monica. The pit needed Monica. Like Larry and Antoine, I gotta say. I mean, my guys not coming through. Not coming through. Yeah, the making, like, phone calls on the one emergency line that seems to be available. Really tough stuff.
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They need that. The red telephone for water park emergencies. Guys, come on. Princess won the pool. Great.
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B
She sure did.
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A
How did you feel about Perla sort of holding Princess's feet over the fire, Extorting some money from her? How did you feel about that?
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That's teamwork. You know, they're really doing it together. They're making it happen. And, you know, ultimately an amazing Princess episode. The reaction shots, the gawking at the radiologist, her winning the pool, and what I would say Jo is like an insider leveraging the short industry style play from her based on the information she has.
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A
Coming from Westbridge, you've learned so much, Rob.
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B
I really am. You're a very good guy. Now I am a finance guy, and so is Princess. Crucially, like, she knows what levers to press and who to tap for the best possible information. So we love to see Princess win on this podcast.
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A
For me, the real winner inside of this episode is. Is my babe, Perla. Perla's battle with the fax machine. That, of course, Monica is. But like, when. When it says when Perla said replace toner, we live in hell. Got, like, one of the biggest laughs out of me in the whole. As you know, I hate the fax machine. Where are we going to get that 1988, just, like, incredibly good fax machine humor throughout this episode? I was a big fan also.
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I thought the fax machine ended up being a great illustration of what Monica brings to the space that other workers Wouldn't. Which is like the fax machine breaks. Yes. It won't print anymore. The toner situation is what it is. She's the only one who seems to understand. Well, the other direction still works.
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Also, she knows exactly where the form is because it's where she put it, like 10 years ago.
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B
It's very true. She's on top of it.
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A
Peak. Peak. Ogilvy, your favorite character. Your your wouldn't say that. The guy you see yourself the most in inside of the Pit, he meets this English teacher.
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B
I'll say this, actually, first of all, Joe, the person I see myself in the most is Santos in this episode when she's asked, are you free? And she asks, is anyone really free? That is me. That's where I see myself.
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A
Really good stuff. I will say I see myself in the overly fussy, corrective English teacher who
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B
is treating her pedant. Joe has entered the chat.
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A
It's. It's an internal monologue usually, but it does exist. It is constantly running. Thank you so much. I spare people. How do you feel about this Ogilvy sort of connecting with a guy who reminds him of his dad, who he's like, you'll have to, you know, like Ogilvy daddy issues have entered the chat. How do you feel about it?
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B
Well, I mean, who. Who in the pit doesn't have daddy issues? That just seems to be a constant across the board. The implication, you know, I know some English teachers. I know plenty of English oriented professionals. The idea that you would be somehow disappointed in your child becoming a doctor, I feel like a. A misdiagnosis, to say the least of many family dynamics. Would it be such a great disappointment?
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A
I don't know if it's that. It just might be that he, like, doesn't get along. Like, maybe his dad is a pedant. Pedant all the time. Sounds like just don't get along.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I think it's interesting that like, like Ogilvy himself is of course quite the. Quite the pedant inside of the ed. So, like, learned it from dad, but, like, hated it from dad, but sort of passes. Passes the ball forward. Yeah. No, I mean, I don't think an English teacher would be upset at their child's a doctor. They might be upset their child's an asshole. Which is. Is how I feel about Ogilvy, but fits the bill.
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B
The idea, Joe, that an art and history versus a math and science asshole would butt heads and find their match in each other. It is kind of beautiful in its way.
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A
Oh, a bit romantic.
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B
I See, look, I just think we're all looking for our yin and yang out there everywhere. And the fact that these people can find each other with only a kidney stone between them, I just think the universe works in mysterious ways.
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A
Can I ask you a question? This is like sort of a test I'm running on people at the ringer.
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B
I'm terrified.
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A
Who was your favorite teacher in high school?
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B
Oh, it was easily my debate coach, Mrs. Potts. Absolutely. Elite teacher legend, Elite life mentor, one of the greatest. Anyone who is in the, like, Texas speech and debate silo program, history probably familiar, but a legend in the space,
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A
Would you say that, like, you were a favorite of Mrs. Potts or of any of your teachers?
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B
Oh, that's a great question. In. In real time, maybe slightly. But in history, they forget like, you're just a face in a. In a wave of faces that are coming through. Like, I'm not naive enough to believe that any teacher I had at basically any level would ever have a memory of me beyond, like, six months after I left their classroom.
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A
I doubt that's true. If someone wants to have Mrs. Potts send us an email about how what a pleasure Rob was to have in class, let us know you just wanted
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B
to set up that hook. That's all you wanted to do here.
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A
I wasn't. I was talking to Sean and Mallory, and we were all talking about how we were, like, the favorite student of, like, an English teacher or an English professor at some point in our lives. And Sean was like, I think this is a fairly common thing.
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B
I think that's probably true. Is it more common for a ringer employee to be the favorite of an English teacher or for a ringer employee to think they were the favorite of an English teacher?
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A
That's a great question. I'm just saying, and I don't want to know the answer. Let's wrap things up. Dana congratulates Emma on her work with Alana. I thought this was a really beautiful moment. How did you feel about that?
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B
I'm a little mixed on whether I wanted to hear what the conversation was about that brought Alana back into the room. And it's like it is feeding into my appreciation of Emma and her understanding of kind of, like, the moment and these spaces and kind of what goes into good nursing. All of that feels great, but a little mystery is nice, too. And I think letting Emma have the win is the important thing. And ultimately me quibbling about the deliveries
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A
less so let's go back to furries. Okay. So Santos and Garcia have this Moment where Garcia's like, we're keeping it casual, right? Like fuck, right?
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B
Keeping it super casual. I'll call you tomorrow, definitely. And the day after that. Absolutely is super casual.
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A
Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But then Santos gets this sort of like invitation to join the furry community, right?
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B
Sure does.
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A
Like this person is talking about her partner, her girlfriend. So like she's not like necessarily flirting directly with Santos, but like, I mean, where else would you more likely find a polycule than inside of the furry community? I have to ask.
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B
You know, Joy was many animals in nature, Joe. Like they have very non monogamous styles.
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A
This is a great point that you just made. I'm sure you were a favorite or your biology teacher too. But like this idea of like Santos getting this like warm invitation. Santos already knew about anthrocon by the way. So like I was for curious at least. You know what I mean?
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B
It's just furious.
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A
Joy seemed a little interested too. A little like intrigued and into it. Joy continues to be a favorite character of mine. I continue on this like I think Joy is queer track. Maybe could there be like a Joy Santos situation? Who's to say? I don't know. But like I think they all deserve to go to Anthrocon on their day off. I think Whitaker should go too. Dress as a rat probably, but it
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B
would only be right. You have to bring him full circle. I do think. Look, of all the interactions and we talked about this, Jove, who on the staff do we want to see confront the furry or treat the furry when they inevitably come through the ER first? I will say the decision to just have the furry and the costume pop up throughout the episode without anyone really remarking upon it, but constantly gawking at it. And my all time favorite is when the furry wheels by Becca and Becca just sort of veers off following them.
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A
I can just like beelines to be
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B
like, how could you? I mean, you gotta get to the bottom of it.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
But of all the places we could land, Santos is a great one. And specifically the idea of a furry approaching Santos with this is the kind of furry I think you are dragon. This is something I'm interested in. A scaly as we go.
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A
Do you agree the assessment that Santos is a dragon?
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B
I kind of like it. I'm going to say in part, with all due respect to the furry in this episode, if you're a wolf or a fox or anything cat or dog adjacent, you're basic. Like that's just like the most assembly line furry stuff that I can imagine.
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A
That's the reason the furry.
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B
Well, you know, but within the space, in the anthrocon community, I think people are turning their noses up a little bit. In particular, the dragons seem to, you know, they walk to the beat of their own drum. Santos, of course, does herself.
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A
I think you're making wild presumptions about a community you know very little about, almost nothing about.
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B
But I would like to know more, and frankly, I would. Jo.
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A
I would like wolves, cats, dogs, ya basic says Ramoni.
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B
Every picture I've ever seen of a furry costume in any context has always been one of those. And so where's the creativity? Where's the variety? Where is frankly, the level of prescription and care that is put into. I am feeling your essence, Trinity Santos. And it is a dragon. That's all I'm asking for.
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A
Rob, would you like our listeners to diagnose your fursona, your essence?
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B
I would like them to diagnose both of our fursonas. I'm not gonna be out on that limb alone, but please email us drcidebangsma.com with what Joe's fursona and my fursona should be. If you are so inclined, I would love to hear.
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A
Don't diagnose Kai. We've already done it. It's all. It's over.
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B
It's done.
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A
You'll have to wait for the reveal at the end of the season, but that's already a done deal. I would like to think about what I think your Persona is. I don't think it's clear to me, though, like. Well, here's a question.
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B
Yeah.
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A
How often do you think furries. And again, we know nothing about this community, but, like, how often do you think they're inclined to dress as, like, their pet? Like, would you dress as your dog in some way?
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B
I don't think so because it's too
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A
close to like, a sexual experience and you want. You don't want any of that near.
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B
Like, I wasn't even thinking about that, Joe. But that's a compelling point as well.
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A
You're like your daughter. That is your. That is your pet.
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B
I was thinking more it's like it's such an individual choice of a projection of your personality that if you just like, grab onto the image of your pet, that's a. That's a totally different being.
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A
But wouldn't you say your pet Rob is an extension of your personality?
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B
I don't think so. I think it's complimentary. Right. Like, you're clearly choosing something, the type of pet you have, like, you know, maybe the personality type of the dog or cat or, I don't know, snake or whatever you have, like, all. Whatever you're gravitating towards says something. But I don't think it necessarily says, this is a mirror image of you.
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A
Can you remind me? Because I got. I got it wrong recently. Can you remind me what breed of dog you have?
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B
I have a corgi.
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A
Okay. That's what I thought. Okay. So does Rob have corgi energy and do I have black cat energy? Prestige tvotify.com to let us know or alternatively, what you think our fursonas should be?
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B
Are we just doing this podcast instead of therapy? Is that what's happening? We're just like, tell us our whole deal listeners, you know, are we outsourcing too much?
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A
But we're also in therapy, so it's fine. It's true.
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B
I guess. I guess it all comes out in the wash.
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A
Absolutely fine. What is watching emotional television like the Pit, if not therapy? That's the question that I have for you, Rob. Are we just extending the experience? But, like, when you watch the Pit, you're, like, encouraged to get emotionally attached and devastated and all these other things like that, and to confront things about yourself. So I really think the Pit in the first place is therapy. If our podcast about the Pit is also therapy, what is that if not just, like, completing the assignment? And that is why you and I might have been the favorites of a teacher or two in high school and or college.
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B
You know, I think we're really coming to all of the appropriate conclusions, inarguable evidence on all fronts, and that is
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A
why I might think that I was the favorite of a teacher in high school or college. All right. Anything else you want to talk about that we haven't addressed?
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B
I think one last therapeutic note on our friend Samira Mohan, who has a young, vibrant woman. A young, vibrant woman who. Look, this revelation comes to all of us at different times that your mother is, in fact, an actual person with her own needs and desires. And in fact, you have your own. And I, you know, as a. My cousin Vinny guy myself, I very much appreciated her version of, like, my biological clock is ticking just like this. To do a.
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A
You have to do the Tomei accent. You can't. I mean.
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B
Well, I'm not. I'm not qualified to do that. I would love to think the way that you can do your Marisa Tomei
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A
accent on you can do a baby Jane Doe the way that you did it, but you can't do. My biological clock is ticking like this. You put your little deer lips down
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B
to the water, baby Jane Doe is topical, right? Like it's within, you know, the fair use of this kind of ip. I can't just be dipping out of accents all willy nilly.
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A
Samira's mother lives in New Jersey, where, you're right, Mona Lisa from, if not New Jersey. Anyway, listen, we've had a great time with the Pit. Have we talked about this episode of television? Somewhat. Have we talked about other things also true. Anything else you want to talk about before we go, Rob?
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B
Not a single thing. We talked about everything.
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A
We'll be back with more of the Pit next week, but no more industry. It's over. If you haven't watched it. It was an incredible season of television. I really suggest you watch it and then listen all the podcasts we did with Jodi about it. Thank you to Kai Grady, who will someday soon be wearing a furry costume. Costume? Do you say that furry suit?
- [61:29]
B
That's insulting.
- [61:30]
A
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Thank you to our listeners who got us amped and excited for the furry appearance. I've just like, maybe never been more excited to see a fox head in my life. Thank you to Rob Mahoney. Thank you to Jenny o' ne Young for the living out with the Pit jingle, which she put together in literally 10 minutes. We'll see you soon. Bye.
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B
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