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The Rehearsal’ Season 2, Episode 3 Precap: Favorite Episode of TV Ever?
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Charles Holmes
Foreign.
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Jody Walker
Welcome to the Prestige TV Podcast, the only recap show where we promise to bring you back to life.
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Charles Holmes
I'm Charles Holmes of the Midnight Boys. She's Jody Walker of We're Obsessed.
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Jody Walker
And we're back to discuss Pilots Code, the third episode of Rehearsal, Season 2. Jody, how are you doing? How are you feeling this week?
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Unnamed Speaker
You know, Charles, it really is not about having what you want. It is about wanting what you've got. And it was a really hard call for me between Sheryl Crow and Evanescence. Just there. I was so close to screaming, I am a.
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Charles Holmes
Wake up.
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Jody Walker
I am an Evanescence little boy. I love.
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Unnamed Speaker
It's amazing.
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Charles Holmes
So this episode, do we do. Maybe we cut the banter up top and we should get into this because.
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Jody Walker
I will just say it, like, up top. Spoiler alert.
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Charles Holmes
This is one of my favorite TV episodes Nathan Fielder has ever been a part of. This is one of my favorite TV episodes, period. I'm vibrating. I just watched it like, an hour or two ago. Jody, how are you feeling? I think episode three, we are so back, and we were never. It was never over.
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Unnamed Speaker
It was never over. We never left, but here we are so, so back. We were just grinning at each other before we started recording about what a kick we got out of this episode. I felt like the response that a lot of fans had a slightly stronger response to last week's episode than I did, or perhaps we did. I definitely thought it was great. I think clearly people were quite taken away by the Paramount plus Germany scenes, which were so funny, and then came, like, into, strangely, into the world that we live in even more through, like, some news items. And I, I loved all that stuff. I really did. But, like, I guess I do think there was something in me that was just waiting for this episode, which was so funny. Like, I, I, I love the serious ones that make you think too. Or like, I, I really classified last week as, like, the peak of absurdist comedy. And to me, this felt like the peak of satire, which a lot of times I think with the Nathan Fielder and especially with the rehearsal, you don't always get to lean as far into the satire because you have to keep that part of your mind alive that's like the, this is real, or a lot of it's real or some. But in this episode, I guess at the point at which Nathan Fielder puts on a bald cap and dresses as a baby Sully Sullenberger, you get to just kind of, like, throw your hands up in the air and be like, okay, Nathan Fielder is acting. We get to know that, enjoy it. And then, of course, halfway through that part of the episode, he reminds you that this is not a performance for the audience. This is for him to experience the life of Sully Sullenberger as a part of science. But still, like, just getting I I la. I think I laughed harder at this episode of the rehearsal than maybe any other.
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Charles Holmes
Oh, I totally agree. I think it was when he puts.
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Jody Walker
On the ball cap and I'm just like, please don't say it's a baby. Please don't say it's a baby.
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Charles Holmes
And then they reveal it all. I had to, like, I just kept laughing and I couldn't stop. And I think that is the perfect way to segue. Let's break down the episode before we we get too, too far, because a lot happens. Pilots Code, directed by Nathan Fielder, written.
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Jody Walker
By Fielder, Carrie Kemper, Adam Locke Norton, and Eric Nader. Nicola Nathan devotes four months to helping.
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Charles Holmes
A couple named Monique and Bogdan train their clone dog Zeus to act more.
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Jody Walker
Like their original dog Achilles, by building an elaborate rehearsal space that mimics the OG dog's upbringing. After making a small breakthrough with Zeus, Nathan dec the experiment on himself by living as pilot Sully Sullenberg. Sully was the head pilot of US Airways Flight 1549, which was successfully landed in the Hudson after the plane was hit by a flock of birds. Nathan uses Sully's book to recreate his life from birth to late adulthood. And similar to Zeus, Nathan as Sully has a series of breakthroughs, helped along by an iPad and a little band known as Evanescence.
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Charles Holmes
We've already got some of our instant reactions out the. Where I want to start is Monique. Bogdan, how are you feeling? Because I think similar to this season, I was like, wait, how does this connect to pilots? So, like, when you're introduced to them and the clone dogs, how are you feeling? Jodie?
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Unnamed Speaker
Okay, first of all, I would like to rewind slightly and say that all of the words that you just said are the most ridiculous words you've ever said in describing that episode. I mean, the straight face with which you just talked about the cloned dogs, which actually are. Are real. Like, that part's naughty. I mean, that's just. That's just pure Monique and Bogdan and their. And their cloned dog.
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Charles Holmes
When Nathan says, I've never kissed a clone before, I'm just like, what's wrong with you?
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Unnamed Speaker
How does he do it?
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Charles Holmes
But also, I think I am talking about the clone dog like, it's the.
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Unnamed Speaker
Most normal part of the episode because.
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Charles Holmes
It is the most normal part of the episode. And that's what kind of makes this so brilliant. Because I was like, wait, there's a kid. Because they keep revealing. They're like. They're all. It's what? Zeus, Pisces. And I forget the third one's name.
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Unnamed Speaker
Another Greek.
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Charles Holmes
It was like, it is Zeus, Apollo, Pisces. The. To clone a dog costs $50,000. And I just was like.
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Jody Walker
Like I am with every single rehearsal guest. How did you find these people? What is going on?
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Charles Holmes
I. I'm so confused. Like, what. Like, how. How did you feel about our new couple?
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Unnamed Speaker
Oh, well, see, they. What they were doing was so wild, but they seemed so normal. Like, they were a. A sweet couple just working through things. Like, she clearly got a lot of joy out of the cloning of dogs. And then he got a lot of joy out of her getting joy. It was just. They seemed so normal. And I liked the mentions of, you know, they're in a better, like, place of economic security now. So it's. Those things were mentioned because they create the different home environment for the clone dogs that could be affecting their behavior. But it was like, yeah, they're. They've made more money. They're further along in their lives now, and what are they going to do? Spend $150,000 on cloning dogs or. I guess they got all three for one. I actually don't know the economic breakdown of the clone dogs.
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Charles Holmes
Wait, do you. Wait, so you think that it was like a three for one deal? It's like you pay the 50,000, like an IVF situation.
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Unnamed Speaker
Like, you know, yeah, you're a little more likely maybe to get three dogs. I don't know. I don't know. We didn't get. Well, to me, they were also small. They all looked the same size. But then they ultimately chose Zeus, who they described as more of a puppy, like a young dog, so that they could affect him. So I don't know if that meant the other two dogs were older, in which case that is kind of a dark. An even darker take on, like, they just keep trying to clone this dog.
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Jody Walker
Also, Zeus was kept by Nathan Fielder.
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Charles Holmes
Corporation for four months, I think. So were they, like, picking the dog where they're like, we will miss you the least, even though genetically you are all the same.
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Unnamed Speaker
Oh, they had very strong. Monique had very strong opinions about the dogs. You could tell. She was like, none of these dogs are Apollo. And is Apollo the first one?
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Charles Holmes
No, Achilles is the first one. Achilles. I think Apollo Is one of the clones. Also, what's with the naming conventions? What are we doing? All right, that's actually my next question for you, Jodi.
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Jody Walker
If you were to clone a dog.
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Charles Holmes
What naming conventions are you going with?
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Jody Walker
Like, Alvin, Simon, Theodore?
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Charles Holmes
Are you naming them after the Scooby Gang? Like, where are you going? The Spice Girls?
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Unnamed Speaker
Your mind went there so fast. You're ready with so many different ideas. No, I think I'd name them, like, crazy, creepy human names just to freak everybody out even more.
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Jody Walker
What's a creepy human name?
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Unnamed Speaker
Like, when you name a dog Kevin.
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Charles Holmes
Oh, yeah, Kevin. Or, like, Emily. Like, Kevin and Emily are, like, fine names, but I'm like, this is more of a. Like a. Like a human. Like, give it more of a.
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Jody Walker
Like a puppy sounding.
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Unnamed Speaker
I think I do it to throw people off the scent that these dogs are cloned. But to answer your original question, I mean, my first reaction to the. To the. This episode was perfect. I did find that there were occasions. And this is great. This makes me feel great. Where it was like I was getting to where we were going just ahead of it, you know, like, 10 seconds ahead, maybe occasionally a couple scenes ahead. And I think that's a perfect thing to do. Mid season, like, we don't get a lot of that with the rehearsal or Nathan Fielder, like, kind of knowing what's coming next. But. But with the dog stuff, it was like, oh, of course we're doing clones. And I. You know, it makes perfect sense. We're doing the rehearsal. We've already very much been dabbling in clones. Now we're dabbling sort of in, like, the scientific aspect of clones. Like, we might actually start cloning things. But I did also notice a lot within this episode. You know, Nathan Fielder and his writers have such a mastery over the exact language in the most efficient way possible that will make something the funniest one sentence possible. And that was certainly on display here. But I kept noticing things sounding stupid. Like, the way. I mean, I think even the opening line of the episode is, I'd been really trying to take the human mind really seriously.
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Charles Holmes
Yes.
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Unnamed Speaker
He's not using really on accident twice there. Like, that is very purposeful. And the very dumb way with which he was talking about science as we tread further and further out of the depths of kind of what Nathan should do, but maybe what he could do where. I mean, he was literally just saying, like, science stuff. He was like, apparently, this is an actual science thing that can be done. A science thing, I guess, sort of known as an experiment. I Don't know. So, you know, my first thought was like, oh, of course we're doing clones. Nathan's gonna try to clone something. But in fact, that's not what happened. It just got weirder and weirder and further away from science stuff.
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Charles Holmes
I mean, even the thing that I.
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Jody Walker
Found both funny and heartwarming is that Nathan has this ability to.
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Charles Holmes
Basically I was, I felt bad laughing at the couple when basically the actors and Monique are having a fake diabetic attack and they're like waiting for Zeus to care and the camera zooms in on the dog taking a shit in the recreated house that they used to have. And I'm like, this is so mean spirited. But then when Monique finally sees the video of Zeus running on the top of the couch like her old dog used to Achilles, and she's like tearing up and her husband Bogdan is just like rubbing her back and they're both so happy and I'm like, it gives you that weird reality show feeling of like when they reveal the new house, I was just like, why is this woman getting so emotional about this little dog running across the top of the couch?
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Unnamed Speaker
You know, Charles, I've been really trying to take the human mind really seriously. And what I'll tell you is. No, I. You know, Charles, you put on a, you put on a good front here on the Ringer podcast network. As a real tough guy critic, I can tell, and I know this, of course in real life you can tell your sweetheart nature by how dark, dark sided you think some of this stuff is, that absolutely does not affect me. Like, I didn't think that at all. I don't know, I just, I think, you know, it might be a numbing to the human condition from reality tv or maybe it's an open mindedness to knowing how things might come around. Because even the part you're referencing the fake diabetic attack and hoping that the dog will help her and he doesn't, ultimately that comes around by the end of this episode to be Nathan saying that it doesn't mean you're a failure. Failure. Just because you can't get a dog to react to a diabetic attack after four straight months of trying, it's ok you admit you can't do everything.
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Charles Holmes
Jodi, are you saying that you're the real hater? That I'm, I'm a soft. Honestly, it's probably because I don't watch that much reality tv. So any single time I do watch reality tv, I'm always like, why are, why is everybody so mean. Why. Why are people, like, who's. Why are the producers treating them like this? They're humans, and you're just kind of just like, oh, yeah, give me more.
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Unnamed Speaker
I'm both kind of dead inside and open to the great hopefulness of human growth and the potential for growth.
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Charles Holmes
All right, Nathan Fielder.
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Unnamed Speaker
That's. Yeah, that's the deal, right? So I really liked Monique and. And Bogdan and their complete sincerity for the project. Like, they're not embarrassed that they've cloned all these dogs and that, and they're further, seemingly not embarrassed that they are disappointed by the cloning of the dogs. And so they are open to more science stuff, which is hopefully cloning the personality of a dog in the body of a clone dog. Like, you know, what is that? If. If not sweet, The. The. The complete lack of shame with which these participants often approach life, I think is very admirable. And so there's something about that, I guess, that keeps. But I know that people struggle with this, with the show, and I think I liked this episode coming when it did because there's been this kind of. I mean, there always has been with Nathan Fielder stuff, but especially. Especially last last week with the Wings of Love stuff. No, Wings of Voice.
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Charles Holmes
Wings of Voice.
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Unnamed Speaker
Based on the Wings of Love, the Wings of Voice competition show, which, you know, you can go on Reddit and find people talking about going on this weird competition show at the time that it actually happened. It is real. And also with, like, a character like Jeff from last week who is just so unbelievable, I do feel us slipping into the sort of white lotusification of the rehearsal, where it's like, I gotta crack it. I gotta know what's real and I gotta know what's acting. And there's no way Jeff is real or there's no. Or, you know, these people are coached or whatever. I find it pretty easy to just lean into. Some of it's real. A lot of it's real. Of course, it is scripted. It is structured and ordered to be like this by very smart writers. And I'm really happy with the final product.
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Charles Holmes
I mean, not only am I happy.
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Jody Walker
About the final product, I almost feel like with each successive thing we get from Fielder, we're almost getting a more mature or more considered piece of art inside of the satire, inside of the absurdity. Because there are moments in this season.
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Charles Holmes
Where Nathan locates something about his subject, where he locates that Monique and Bogdan, at the time that they had Achilles, there was this tension about her wanting to have kids. And him not being ready to have them. And then the actors who are playing them are role playing it, and it's like, cringe. But they flashback to Monique actually saying all of these things, and I'm just like. That was. I'm not as dead inside as you. So I was a little bit like, oh, my.
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Unnamed Speaker
Did you get a little misty?
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Charles Holmes
I was getting a little bit like, oh, my God, this is why she keeps clothing the dog that was her first child. And when it ends in this heartwarming place, I'm like, there. There just is this change of maybe Nathan being softer, like, growing a little bit softer and more.
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Jody Walker
He.
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Charles Holmes
Even where he ends this episode, we're gonna get into, like, the big. The bigness of Sully and everything that comes after it. He keeps ending these episodes in a way where I'm just like, it's not all acid. And I used to feel like he was a little bit more acidic.
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Unnamed Speaker
I think there's a lot of room to roll around in the rehearsal that there was not necessarily that room, you know, in Nathan for you, which is a different construct. And I think the thing that keeps me from. From feeling like, oh, this is. This is, like, hard to watch or dark with. With, for example, Monique and Bogdan is that in time. And honestly, in a very short, efficient amount of time, I do think you get to see them as real, whole people.
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Charles Holmes
Yeah.
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Unnamed Speaker
And not as caricatures of themselves, like you said. You know, just getting, like, that very small moment of her vulnerable, vulnerably saying, I wanted to have kids. He wasn't ready. I knew I needed to wait for him to be ready because I didn't want to do this by myself. But I did want a dog like that. I knew that I could. I knew that I could sort of satiate this feeling with the dog. And it. And it seems like she really did. And of course, we don't know every single thing about them. And then there are other characters, like, say, Jeff, who from last week and a little bit from this week, who are maybe not portrayed in their entirety, but the. The bit that you get is enough to make you say, okay, maybe you don't have to see all. All sides of all people. Maybe this is. Maybe this can be a character.
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Charles Holmes
Now that. Now that you brought up Jeff, Jeff makes a brief.
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Jody Walker
A brief appearance in this episode.
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Charles Holmes
And I want.
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Jody Walker
We finally realize why he was kicked off all the apps. Rightfully so.
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Charles Holmes
Did Jeff make Nathan.
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Unnamed Speaker
I want to be very clear. That is not the only reason that Nathan kicked off all the apps.
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Charles Holmes
Well, he's not. He thinks the reason is. I'm sure there was.
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Unnamed Speaker
The closest he can get to imagining is having something in his bio. No, this absolute. Absolutely not. There was so. There is so much more happening. I just. I want to say that.
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Charles Holmes
No, that is fair. I'm glad you reiterated that.
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Unnamed Speaker
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Charles Holmes
Funniest things Nathan has ever done was there was an episode where famously Nathan.
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Jody Walker
Breaks on Nathan for you when he's.
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Charles Holmes
Talking to the to like the grandpa who's talking about like drinking his grandson's pee.
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Unnamed Speaker
Drinking his grandson's pee.
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Charles Holmes
And you can like see like Nathan being like, wait, what? And there's a moment in this where I'm like, I think Jeff made Nathan break. Cause he's like, wait, what?
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Jody Walker
What did you just say?
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Charles Holmes
And I was just like, oh, Nathan. Like it's an amazing thing to just like not put in the second episode to just drop very quickly in the third. I'm like, once again you brought up a great point last episode where reality show is heavily, heavily produced. The producers are the true magicians of it. And that was a really quick moment where I'm like, this wouldn't have hit hard as hard in episode two, but in episode three, just revealing a little bit more of who Jeff is as a person. And then the end of the episode revealing that maybe the backbone and we can maybe transition into sully of this season seems to be like Nathan realizing that pilots do not have as many outlets as you might think to be them. True. Their true selves to speak honestly about what they're going through. And almost maybe him using Jeff as a stand in to be like, how does this person get to be this person?
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Unnamed Speaker
Well, and that, like the extreme of Jeff compared to all those pilots that we see at the end who seems, you know, in that moment, at least with whoever's interviewing them, vulnerable, forthcoming, capable of considering what might have gotten them kicked off of five different dating apps. Like we're seeing a spectrum of different people and at least being told by what Nathan is discovering with science stuff, that they're all experiencing the same thing, that there aren't enough outlets for them because of the way that this occupation has been sort of constructed, or at least that's how they feel. And that there is some part of this career path and this occupation that encourages compartmentalizing to maybe an unhealthy degree. And that that encouragement of compartmentalizing, which probably benefits you a lot in certain flight situations, in very specific flight situations also could cause great harm. And that. And that that can happen to Jeff and that maybe that could even happen to Meredy from last week. Like that. That is allegedly sort of part of the. Of the makeup of a pilot is. Yeah. Something that Nathan has come to the conclusion at, at some point and has decided to roll out to us in this episode of the rehearsal via dog cloning. Quick pivot to Uncanny Valley. Sully Sullenberg.
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Charles Holmes
The. Because you were talking about kind of.
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Jody Walker
Being a little bit ahead maybe in this episode of knowing where it was going when you were watching this, when.
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Charles Holmes
Was the moment you realized that, like, when we see the book of Sully and we realize that Nathan is gonna do something. When did you realize. I'm like, oh, he's going full goof mode. He's finally doing the thing.
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Unnamed Speaker
So I would say the thing I realized even earlier was that at some point in the dog cloning, when Nathan says something about this will tie back to pilots, basically I was like, he's gonna clone Sully. I. Before the book had come, before anything, we all know there's one great pilot, like there is a famous pilot who navigated what would have been a mass casualty event. I didn't know about any of the communication in the cockpit. I did not know about his connection to the original V1 iPod. Didn't know any of that. But I know Captain Sully. And so even before it had been mentioned, I was like, we're doing cloning for Sully. Sully's coming. I briefly believed that, that he was going to get Captain Sully. I mean, I don't know. That seemed within the realm of possibility, that, like, that. That something was going to. I. I don't think that I. No, I didn't. I didn't catch on till he put the bald cap on, because I have in my notes, why is Nathan shaving his chest? I was not there yet.
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Charles Holmes
When he started. When he started shaving himself and putting on the ball cap, I'm like, oh.
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Jody Walker
Is he going to be an old man?
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Charles Holmes
And then when he was like he.
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Jody Walker
Was a baby, I was like, oh, no.
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Charles Holmes
And then when you see how large the room is and what I would.
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Jody Walker
Just describe as a huge marionette of a. Of a mother figure that is so creepy and cursed.
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Charles Holmes
I was just like, I am buckled into everything that happens when they basically lift him up in the air to put him in the crib and then at the changing station, and then when he takes a shit. And it culminates in.
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Jody Walker
What might be the funniest thing I've seen all year and might be the funniest thing I've seen in a lifetime.
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Charles Holmes
Is Nathan Fielder breastfeeding from a fake. From a fake puppy. I was like, what the fuck is happening right now?
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Unnamed Speaker
I found a new way to laugh. I experienced a laugh I had never heard come out of my body while watching Nathan Fielder be waterboarded by the breast milk of an. I'm gonna say 18 to 20 foot tall mom puppet. Cause I will say a lot of times when I'm watching rehearsal, I'm like. I'm doing that thing where I'm like, this is so funny. Like, in my head I'm thinking, this is so funny. And I'm not laughing. It is funn. I'm not laughing. I was losing it at hysterical at the waterboarding, the. The breast milk boarding scene. Because. And I mean, part of it is the physical comedy of him just, like, spitting out the, like, choke. Absolutely choking.
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Charles Holmes
Choking on this milk. It's a. It's a fake breast. And it's like, you have to think about when they were in the writer's room being like, all right, it's going to be this huge fucking puppet. It's going to be a fake breast. We're going to have Nathan as a baby who's incredibly small in this fake. In this fake puppet's hands. And then we need to make sure that the breast milk is coming out like a hose so we can sell the fact that, to your point, he's being waterboarded by breast milk. I'm like, for this to land, they had to keep upping the ante to the point where you're just like, what.
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Jody Walker
Am I witnessing right now?
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Unnamed Speaker
And like, the part that makes me, like, choke with laughter is in while he is joking is obviously the physical comedy of it is very funny. And like, I don't know, you could see such things happening on Jackass back in the day. Like, maybe they would have found themselves in such an occasion to be doing something like this. But then it's like you're saying when you're thinking, you do even in that quick moment, find yourself thinking, or myself thinking, what was happening in the writers room to make this happen? Like, how is this happening? How did he think about this? And then. And then the further edge of. In that moment, you're watching Nathan Fielder. Like you are. And yet you're watching Nathan Fielder written by Nathan Fielder. You're watching an actor physically choke on milk. And he's written for himself to do that. He's chosen to do it. And even if he wants to stop, he can't stop. He's like, there. There were just so many layers to what was happening there. With the top most obvious layer just being like, the most ridiculous thing possible.
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Charles Holmes
I mean, not only that, it's in the first season of the rehearsal.
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Jody Walker
I feel like it was more reality based in terms of, like, the recreations.
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Charles Holmes
The amazing things that he would do is like, okay, I'm going to show.
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Jody Walker
You how many child actors I can get.
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Charles Holmes
I'm going to show you that I can completely recreate this bar, this room, this, this apartment. And now he's taken it one step further where he's like, I'm recreating what I think this Texas man's upbringing was. Life was like. And it's not like he's just hiring old people to play the mother and father. He's making them super huge. I found it so funny. It's just a little thing. When his mother, his fake mother saw these fake mothers closing the door, she has, like, these weird appendages as he's struggling. And to your point, you're thinking of the writers room. I was like, how do you get to the. No, we need to make Nathan look life size accurate. So we need everybody to be on stilts and have fake hands. And also his little sister is going to have the creepiest mask possible. There's just so many layers. I mean, even this is not even part of this. When they recreated what it was like to live in San Francisco in, like.
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Unnamed Speaker
Around, like, the San Jose Air pumped the San Jose air pumping the 300 miles to LA.
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Charles Holmes
Did you notice the J there? I was like, you got like, they put the Jared from Subway.
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Unnamed Speaker
Oh, yeah.
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Charles Holmes
Poster on the bus. As the two fake San Francisco Tech pros are just like, oh, damn, Steve Jobs died.
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Unnamed Speaker
Oh, yeah, too bad about Steve Jobs, huh?
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Charles Holmes
Like, I was like, oh, this is so such a written show. Like, you can tell in its construction not only from a structural standpoint, but the punchlines. I don't know if I felt that as much in season one, and I love it in season two, where I'm just like, oh, this is really tight and well built.
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Unnamed Speaker
Well, on a level of science stuff, we are sort of dealing with a different thing. In season one, Nathan was introducing this idea of rehearsals. If you rehearse something enough, then you can get it right. You can predict every outcome, and you can make it go the way that is what you deem the best. And just through very intense rehearsing. And then obviously, the humor comes in with the wild sets and the way you do everything perfectly and the actors and the Nathan Fielder method and everything. This actually is different. This is replication. This is cloning. It's not rehearsing. It is attempting to break new ground. It's not anticipating something that you can practice enough times to get it right. It is attempt. It is attempting discovery. It is trying to see what you can do with a clone dog. Can you affect nurture in the same way that you affect nature? And then can you backtrack it and understand how a pilot was nurtured into the excellent pilot who would listen to their first officer by replicating their upbringing with giant puppets and actors on stilts and masturbating in cockpits with a robot next to you.
- [31:59]
Charles Holmes
Wait, can we talk about robot Carol? Because that was the moment where I was just like. He basically, what does I have it here? There's something that he says that is so funny. He's reading the book and he's highlighting. And then he gets to a point where Sully says flying could be a sensual experience. And he recreates teenage Sully flying with teenage Carol, this woman that he has a crush on. And at one moment, he's just like.
- [32:28]
Jody Walker
Okay, it's time for the thing that we talked about. And I was like, what the fuck is happening?
- [32:32]
Unnamed Speaker
Well, this is when he says. Well, he says the problem was I was too uncomfortable to actually get aroused with a professional actress beside me. And then he tells her to get out, basically. And then he voiceover. After all, this wasn't a performance for you, the viewer. It was an experience for me. And then dressed up as, like a 1950s teen in a tiny plane, he has now been joined by robot Carol. He pulls out the MacBook, presumably to watch porn, get aroused, and have a completely Sully like, experience. And like, these are the things that aren't real that I love. You know, like, this is where he lets you know. He pulls back the curtain on purpose to say, yeah, this isn't a real fucking science experiment. Nothing's. Nothing's happening. Here I am pretending to be the teenage version of a good pilot who has navigated what could have been a mass casualty air crash event by watching porn on a MacBook in a fake plane with a robot Carol, whose head is going like this the whole time. He's presumably, or at least narratively getting hard. Like, this is. This is satire. This is not. This is not real. This is not a rehearsal. This. This is not the Nathan. This is not the Fielder method. This is Nathan Fielder being, like a freak amongst freaks. You know, a freak amongst 18 foot puppets and doing it on purpose. And it was hilarious.
- [34:20]
Charles Holmes
I mean, speaking of that, do you. Do you think that this is kind of a culmination for Nathan Fielder, where.
- [34:25]
Jody Walker
It'S like, we saw him act in the curse. We've seen Nathan for you. We've seen the rehearsal. We've seen so much of him. And this was the first.
- [34:33]
Charles Holmes
This was the episode where I felt.
- [34:34]
Jody Walker
It most acutely, where I'm like, this is not only a creator at the peak of his powers, this is someone.
- [34:39]
Charles Holmes
Who'S doing so much where he's like. He's playing fake Sully as a baby teenager all through this, but he's also playing the Nathan Fielder rehearsal character. But then he's also like, there's just all of these layers where I'm like, this performance must have been so hard to. To pull off because I. I started losing track of. To your point, wait, what? Not even what's real and what's not. What. What Nathan are we getting right now? What version of him? Does that make any sense?
- [35:13]
Unnamed Speaker
Oh, totally. I mean, I think, like, it keeps. I keep going back to sort of the theme of last week's episode of sincerity, and that since. Or as Nathan thinks that sincerity only benefits the people who are able to perform it better than others. And when you see him in this role where he is acting allegedly in order to experience something, not in order to give a good performance, but of course, he is also the creator and writer of this show. Who needs to give a good performance. And, like, we'll never know if Nathan could have acted Sully better. You know, like, if he could have given the perform the, you know, Tom Hanks as Sully performance of a lifetime. Or if, like, doing it sort of badly in a for some reason receding hairline wig, even when he's 16, is part of it. And how much has he chosen for that to be part of it? Like, how much has he calculated how much funnier this will make it? And that does all really happen right at once in that plane scene that we're talking about. Because in that moment, you also, you know, audibly hear him go from teenage Texan Sully Sullenberger to okay, now it's time for you to do that thing we talked about. And he's like, monotone Nathan to real life Carol who's, you know, who knows what she thinks she's doing. Like, we can't even get into the Carol actress of it all. Who knows what's happening. And then he's just by himself masturbating in a plane so that he can start to understand what it is like for pilots to. To compartmentalize while in the cockpit and then how that affects them outside of the cockpit.
- [37:08]
Charles Holmes
I mean, that part, if we had.
- [37:12]
Jody Walker
Ended on that part, it still would have been a perfect episode. But when we're talking about the show being so written and intentional ending on the punchline of he's recreating moments that are not really in the book, but he's reading in between the lines of. There's this reveal as he's highlighting that.
- [37:33]
Charles Holmes
Sully keeps referencing having to get through things or his life getting tough, but.
- [37:38]
Jody Walker
He never dives deeper into it.
- [37:41]
Charles Holmes
And then there is the reveal of the ipod and there's the reveal that in the transcript when they.
- [37:50]
Jody Walker
When the plane gets hit by the flock of birds, there's a 23 minute pause.
- [37:55]
Unnamed Speaker
Second. 23 seconds.
- [37:57]
Charles Holmes
23 seconds, not minutes, 23 second pause. And the 23 second pause is the.
- [38:02]
Jody Walker
Exact amount of time that the hook of Evanescence's Bring Me to Life is.
- [38:06]
Charles Holmes
Which is a band that Sully brings up the most often in his book.
- [38:13]
Jody Walker
What were your thoughts on that part?
- [38:15]
Charles Holmes
Because I was like, I'm in.
- [38:17]
Jody Walker
I'm.
- [38:18]
Charles Holmes
I'm seated. I knew that the punchline was going to be worth it.
- [38:23]
Unnamed Speaker
The need. I mean, you don't. This isn't really a show about needle drops. The needle drop in that you've already gotten. It's like, it's not just like in the writer's room, they were like, what's a 23 second chorus? That would be funniest. He actually talks about Evanescence in the book. Like there are two artists that noted Captain Sully Sullenberger talks about and maybe others, but talks about in his autobiography. Memoir. One is Sheryl Crow, who he for some reason directs relately. He relates directly to his father who died before Sheryl Crowe ever put out this song. But the feeling of it, he. He associates with his father and he really likes Evanescence. And I. I mean, I know that like the punchline is and. And the just like unbelievable 23 second silent is the. Is the length of the Evanescence chorus reveal is so funny. I actually, I feel like embarrassed saying this because it's like I am aware that this is a scenario that Nathan Fielder as show. Nathan has completely imagined because he's realized that if pilots are too open about their emotionality, it might get reported, deported back, you know, to their faa. To the faa, and then the FAA might take away like their medical clearance and then they're grounded for life. And so within this book, Sully Sullenberger basically keeps saying that. And I know that he has a different first name, but that is his name is Sully Sullenberger. That he keeps saying he found ways to cope. And at this point, Nathan decides he's got to figure out what those ways are. And he notices that around 2002, Sully starts talking about ipods within his life and that it's very clear that he got an ipod. I found the recreations. Nathan's imagined recreations of him seeing the commercial for an ipod while he's lonely in his hotel room, stumbling upon the ipod kiosk. And what is the kid? The. The kid tells him. He's like, Sully's like, it fits a thousand songs. I can't even name five songs. And the kid selling the ipods is like, well, maybe you should increase your dosage, man. No medicine more powerful than music. He buys the ipod, he goes home, he gets on his laptop, he starts downloading music. Little peek behind the fourth wall for me, Charles. You know this. I'm currently doing some reporting on old technology. I was quite moved by the ipod stuff, really. It was just like, I know it's not real. I know he made this up. But there's some part of it that's real. Sully did start talking about music in his book. I don't know what it really meant to him, but I'll say within my reporting, the ipod has come Up a lot as like, I mean, more so for teenagers than 52 year old pilots as a real source of freedom to a lot of kids being able to like carry around their music and disassociate and medicate with, with music in a new way and have access to music they never had access to before. And there was just like there was something. And I know Nathan's making it up. I know that. I know that.
- [42:00]
Charles Holmes
But is he though?
- [42:02]
Unnamed Speaker
Is, but is he. Could he be right? I did. I can't, I can't remember exactly what point it was, but I was like, oh, Sully Sullenberger is going to sue Nathan Fielder.
- [42:12]
Charles Holmes
Like, Sully Sullenberger still alive.
- [42:16]
Unnamed Speaker
He's alive.
- [42:17]
Charles Holmes
He's alive.
- [42:18]
Unnamed Speaker
He's alive. I remember when he endorsed Biden. So wait, I knew he was alive then.
- [42:25]
Charles Holmes
I thought this man was dead. I was just like, well, of course anybody would want to be on the rehearsal. This is a great, this is like a great send off to a great.
- [42:36]
Unnamed Speaker
Of course anyone would want to be on the rehearsal, Charles. That is like the last thing in the world I would want is to be my real self on the rehearsal or represented on the rehearsal by a clean shaven Nathan Fielder.
- [42:50]
Charles Holmes
Jody.
- [42:51]
Jody Walker
Jody, Jody.
- [42:52]
Charles Holmes
I think the next career that Nathan Fielder should do is podcasting, because everybody know podcasting is just as important as, as airlines and pilots with just as much. I can't, you know, I can't go to a therapist and tell, and tell her or he or they about my struggles. Podcasting Bill Simmons is going to take away my medical.
- [43:13]
Unnamed Speaker
I do keep having this thought as Nathan Fielder continues to just sort of like, you know, work his way closer and closer to like pilots should just go to therapy. Is that like, if he zoomed out and wasn't doing this really specific thing, he's maybe just trying to solve toxic masculinity in this like really specific way.
- [43:36]
Charles Holmes
Yes. In a. I, I would not be.
- [43:38]
Jody Walker
Surprised if he just met Jeff and.
- [43:40]
Charles Holmes
Was just like, I'm solving this for humanity. I'm just, I'm just gonna solve it. Just give me an HBO level budget and I got it.
- [43:48]
Unnamed Speaker
I, I gotta, I gotta crack this. I did have the thought Sully might sue Nathan Fielder for this representation. If Sully's listening, which I know he probably is. I, I found it, I found it lovely. I found it a lovely representation of, of his relationship with his giant mother, of his, of his attachment to music. And I really. And then, I mean, but of course, like, it's like, yeah, all the music Stuff is. I mean, it's not completely made up. It does come some from the book. But the final reveal that the sort of mysterious 23 second silence in the transcript of the flight when they already know that it's going into the Hudson is the exact length of the chorus of Evanescence. And it's like as soon as you hear Nathan say it, you know, it's one of those split second, you know, before it happens. And it makes it even better. Needle drop.
- [44:55]
Charles Holmes
It's in the pantheon. Wake me up. Wake me up. It is going in the pantheon of needle drops.
- [45:01]
Jody Walker
HBO needle drops. TV show needle drops.
- [45:04]
Charles Holmes
Because it is a song that if.
- [45:06]
Jody Walker
You were alive in the late 2000s.
- [45:09]
Charles Holmes
You heard so much. And it has gone through the cycle.
- [45:12]
Jody Walker
Of being like amazing and dope to.
- [45:15]
Charles Holmes
Cheesy back to like, oh, Evan, I mean, if you're in the armed forces.
- [45:20]
Jody Walker
I will say this. Shout out my father, rest in peace. He was very into Evanescence at this point.
- [45:25]
Charles Holmes
And I was just like. If you want to email us@prestige tvotify.com if you are a person in the armed forces who was really into Evanescence when it first dropped, please let me know. Because I was just like. It's so funny that instead of like going to therapy, imagining fake Sully being like, you know what? I need some just depressing rock music.
- [45:48]
Unnamed Speaker
But then what does fake Sully do at the very end? Ooh, walks into that therapist office.
- [45:56]
Charles Holmes
Are you saying Evanescence is the road to healing, to heal, to finding a therapist?
- [46:00]
Unnamed Speaker
I'm saying that Nathan Fielder said that.
- [46:03]
Charles Holmes
What is. Jody, let's really quick.
- [46:05]
Jody Walker
I'm putting you on the spot.
- [46:06]
Charles Holmes
What is our we have to save an entire plane and landed in the Hudson safely song.
- [46:15]
Unnamed Speaker
Charles, you're the music guy. What's that? What's. I'm trying to. I'm trying to think of other really great key changes.
- [46:23]
Charles Holmes
I will say genuine's differences. Justin Timberlake's Love Stoned pretty much. Cisco's Unleash the Dragon. Ooh, sorry. I have a lot of. Just like, if I needed to save a bunch of people, I do have the songs that I'm immediately going to.
- [46:42]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think where we ultimately get to with the Evanescence, he says maybe every captain needs to find their own Evanescence, whatever form that takes.
- [46:57]
Charles Holmes
What is Evanescence?
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Unnamed Speaker
I don't know. Because it's not just about a song. It's like about whatever your release is. And for Sully, whatever ultimately makes you understand that you don't have to be perfect, which is what he says. The lead singer of Evanescence said that this song was about. Is about not having to be perfect, and that you not being perfect doesn't mean that you failed, and it definitely doesn't mean that you're a failure just because you can't get a dog to react to a diabetic attack after four straight months of trying.
- [47:37]
Jody Walker
Wait, what is the evanescent song about?
- [47:40]
Charles Holmes
I'm. I'm looking this up now. We're Googling this because I always thought it was, like, a witchcraft crafty song about, like, actually bringing somebody back to.
- [47:48]
Jody Walker
Life after, like, the darkness overtakes them.
- [47:52]
Charles Holmes
But is that not actually what it's about?
- [47:54]
Unnamed Speaker
I mean, this is coming from. Nathan said that they said the lyrics to their hit song Bring Me to Life were described by the songwriter as a cry for help. It was about no longer hiding your true self, as imperfect as it may be. That's not coming through to you.
- [48:17]
Charles Holmes
Here's the thing.
- [48:18]
Jody Walker
I'm on Wikipedia right now. We all love a Wikipedia dump.
- [48:21]
Charles Holmes
Lee wrote Bring Me to life at.
- [48:22]
Jody Walker
Age 19 after a then acquaintance who later became her husband asked her if she was happy. Lee was in an abusive relationship and in turmoil and was shocked the person saw through her facade as she felt she was completely outwardly acting normal. I felt like he could just see straight into my soul. That inspired the whole song.
- [48:38]
Charles Holmes
So, I mean, Sully listened to Bring Me to Life and was probably like.
- [48:45]
Jody Walker
This is the first time I'm seeing an art. Or, like, my soul reflected. And when he has to save the Souls on that US Airways flight, he.
- [48:56]
Charles Holmes
Goes to the 23 seconds that it's the most important.
- [48:58]
Jody Walker
That's. That's fucking beautiful. I didn't realize.
- [49:00]
Charles Holmes
I'm a music critic, and I didn't realize that shit.
- [49:03]
Jody Walker
Wow.
- [49:03]
Charles Holmes
I'm about to start.
- [49:05]
Unnamed Speaker
I told you. I told you that it was meaningful and that you were soft.
- [49:10]
Charles Holmes
Oh, don't. All right, here's the thing. I have.
- [49:13]
Jody Walker
I have a whole image.
- [49:15]
Unnamed Speaker
It's okay. We're not on ring reverse, Charles. We're over here on Prestige tv. It's okay.
- [49:18]
Charles Holmes
Is this a safe. Are you saying this is a safe space?
- [49:20]
Unnamed Speaker
This is a safe space. Fantastic. This is your Evanescence. This is your road to therapy. Next stop, therapy.
- [49:31]
Charles Holmes
Are you. Are you my little sister that I'm just like, here, eat this rock?
- [49:35]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah. I would take any pebble that you gave me, and our producers would then punish you with a toy plant. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy the things that are happening in this episode, I'll kind of, like, final thoughts. I guess I was. I got to the end of this episode, and to me, for some reason, these. Like, last week, we kind of talked about vignettes. Like, last week almost felt a little bit like a Nathan for you episode where there were sort of three distinct vignettes. This obvious. This. This episode is obviously cleaved in half by dog cloning and then the recreation of Sully Sullenberger's life via a series of puppets. And yet they. They did feel quite connected to me. And it did. It did all come back around. And it just made me be like. It. It reminded me of, like, when you design a living room, you have to either start with the couch or the rug. You gotta start in one of those big places and move out from there. And I just would love to know where, because this. This one is so much more guided by, like, evidently guided by Nathan's hand than by what the real people are doing and how you construct that into something. In this episode, I found myself wondering so hard, like, where did they start? Did they start with knowing they wanted to recreate Sully Sullenberger and then have the clone idea? Did they start with the dog clones and then think, how do we apply? Like, did they meet some real people who had cloned their dogs and they were like, we got to get this in there. And then how many threads were there that they didn't pull? Because, you know, there's some wild stuff on the cutting room floor.
- [51:23]
Charles Holmes
I mean, part of me was even.
- [51:25]
Jody Walker
Thinking in terms of that when.
- [51:28]
Charles Holmes
When Nathan was figuring out the idea.
- [51:31]
Jody Walker
For this, was it not just as simple as, like, a. Maybe I read Malcolm Gladwell or I read some articles.
- [51:37]
Charles Holmes
Was it like, maybe he did go.
- [51:38]
Jody Walker
Down the cloning route?
- [51:39]
Charles Holmes
He did go down a couple of. A couple of different areas.
- [51:43]
Jody Walker
Because something that was illuminating was when.
- [51:46]
Charles Holmes
We go through the montage of all.
- [51:48]
Jody Walker
Of the pilots at the end and Nathan reveals.
- [51:50]
Charles Holmes
Nathan's been doing this for decades at this point. Years and years and years.
- [51:55]
Jody Walker
And him revealing that pilots at as.
- [51:58]
Charles Holmes
Like, just a group were the most.
- [52:01]
Jody Walker
Receptive to these questions.
- [52:04]
Charles Holmes
They kept in contact. They want one. One of them even says, it's like, you're my therapist. Do you think that part that might have been the moment where, like, a light bulb goes off in Nathan's head where he's just like, oh, there's something. Like, there's something about this job and these people in my research of, like, producers reaching out to them and talking to them that he's like, all right, this is a rich vein because this was the first episode where I'm like, oh, as it you know, it, when you're a journalist where you're like, you just start talking to people and you're just like, oh, no, this is actually the heart of it. This is what I need to devote weeks or months of my life to.
- [52:41]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think, like, when I'm writing a big piece, it feels like a puzzle where I have a lot of different pieces that I know are good, that are connected in some way. And then there's one thing usually that finally locks it all in to be like, the full picture. I, Charles, to be honest, couldn't begin to presume what that is within this puzzle. Maybe at the end of episode six, we might sort of know, like, where this idea truly started. If it, if it wasn't the Malcolm Gladwell chapter, like, if it was something within Nathan Fielder's reporting and interviews. But I mean, that was pretty cool. That was cool to see those interviews with the pilots and like, we saw a few that we, that we saw in the Wings of Voice episode actually doing their initial interviews. And yeah, I mean, it's really. We'd have to do a bit of this isn't in Sully Sullenberger's book, but I'm gonna go ahead and presume it as reality to know if, like, that is where Nathan kind of locked in on this idea once he really talked to pilots. Maybe. Maybe that's his ipod.
- [53:57]
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- [54:26]
Jody Walker
Jody, we have a new segment because the listeners have been so kind to us and have sent us a lot of great mail.
- [54:34]
Unnamed Speaker
The podcast code. Is that our new segment?
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Charles Holmes
I. Whoa, whoa. Do you. If you have, if you have better names, you know, that was just off the top of the dome, you know, I love it. The podcast code.
- [54:45]
Unnamed Speaker
The podcast code.
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Jody Walker
Hell yeah.
- [54:47]
Unnamed Speaker
For when people email us@prestigetvpotify.com to answer our many, many questions and also refute some of our answers.
- [54:57]
Charles Holmes
Yes.
- [54:57]
Unnamed Speaker
Tim Milan emailed us with the subject subway trash talk, and he said the misconception that Subways are dangerous are car. Again, most subway deaths are suicides. In 2024 in New York City, there were eight murders on the subway and 237 deaths from traffic violence. Cars. Cars kill over a million people per year globally. Cars kill 500 children per day globally. Please do not contribute to Karaganda. To which I say, Tim, I did not realize that I was. And I apologize.
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Charles Holmes
Jeez.
- [55:32]
Unnamed Speaker
That is part of the problem.
- [55:34]
Charles Holmes
That is very spicy. Tim. Was. He was coming at your neck. As a subway supporter myself, Tim, I've always been on your side. I don't know about Jodi.
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Jody Walker
Okay?
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Unnamed Speaker
Now, I believe that this is in response to last week saying that that airplanes are the safest form of travel, which is something that I said, which is not part of Karaganda. The whole point of flights are the safest form of travel is that it is technically much safer than cars. You are much less likely to die in a plane than to die by car. I didn't see the intense way that subways were going to come into this, but here you have it. And maybe here you have season three of the rehearsal Pro Subway.
- [56:19]
Charles Holmes
Like a subway season. I would.
- [56:20]
Jody Walker
I would love a subway season.
- [56:22]
Unnamed Speaker
And maybe the inclusion of Jared from Subway in this episode was just a little Easter egg, a verbal Easter egg, not the inclusion of Jared, who we are done with.
- [56:34]
Charles Holmes
So, hey, Tim, shout out to you.
- [56:36]
Jody Walker
Like no car gander here on Prestige tv. What's our. What's our next email?
- [56:41]
Unnamed Speaker
Joe Charles, you mentioned last week that you thought that the laptop sling from. Well, both would be a great Halloween costume for you out in LA to impress the ladies. And Reagan Parks said, I laughed when I heard y'all mention dressing as Nathan Fielder for Halloween because I did that the year of season one and it did not go well. Maybe in clubs in la. Thank you, Reagan, for knowing where Charles hangs out. It'll go over better. But trick or treating with my kids in Austin, I was met with many questions, including, why do you have to work while trick or treating? Treating. That's such a dark take on the current state of the world. And then confused looks when I explained why I had the computer desk. Yes, I ordered the same one Nathan uses. I was dedicated to a bad idea. I love that phrasing. Dedicated to a bad idea.
- [57:35]
Charles Holmes
Whoa. Not a bad idea at all. I think the costume looked great. Reagan sent us a photo.
- [57:43]
Jody Walker
It was a very nice photo.
- [57:45]
Charles Holmes
I think your costume was awesome. It just seems like you live in.
- [57:48]
Jody Walker
A place where they don't actually support prestige TV like You do. Okay.
- [57:53]
Charles Holmes
And as far as being in the.
- [57:55]
Jody Walker
LA clubs, guys, I'm not a degenerate.
- [57:58]
Unnamed Speaker
Okay? Response to that.
- [58:01]
Charles Holmes
I don't. I'm not a degenerate.
- [58:03]
Jody Walker
I'm not in these clubs. I'm being a good boy now you're on the street.
- [58:06]
Charles Holmes
But I will say. I will say I have a whole.
- [58:08]
Jody Walker
Theory on Halloween costumes.
- [58:10]
Charles Holmes
Now. I am back to basics after last.
- [58:13]
Jody Walker
Halloween and after how great my costume went over last Halloween, I'm. I'm totally bringing it back to be six.
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Unnamed Speaker
Are you going to tell the people what it was? Is this Charles lure that. I don't know.
- [58:23]
Charles Holmes
I was. I was a man called, as my.
- [58:26]
Jody Walker
Friends called me, Bronco Brown. I was a classic cowboy. I had a fake gun, I had a fake cigar. Okay.
- [58:34]
Charles Holmes
You know, I had the whole thing. It's Bronco Brown. I would come into a party, everyone loved it, and I was just like, oh.
- [58:42]
Jody Walker
I realized sometimes maybe we get a little too conceptual. The conceptual Halloween costumes are for the real sickos.
- [58:49]
Charles Holmes
Those are for the parties where I'm.
- [58:51]
Jody Walker
Like, this is for the people with taste.
- [58:53]
Charles Holmes
When I'm just hitting three or four in a day, and I don't know all these people.
- [58:57]
Jody Walker
Keep it simple. Keep it. The cowboys, the pirates, maybe a skeleton.
- [59:00]
Charles Holmes
You know, Also, props. Props are very.
- [59:03]
Unnamed Speaker
I was just gonna say you did that whole thing for prop comedy. That's what you were. That's what you were up to.
- [59:09]
Jody Walker
I had so many props. And that's the other thing that I.
- [59:12]
Charles Holmes
Realized, because there were moments where it would be like, I lost my props. Men, women were stealing my fucking props, going around with them, shooting the guns.
- [59:20]
Jody Walker
Taking the fake cigar.
- [59:22]
Charles Holmes
I'm like, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.
- [59:24]
Jody Walker
Props are important to comedy, as Nathan Fielder has taught us. Please return them.
- [59:29]
Unnamed Speaker
But props are also an opportunity to sort of, you know, reach out to the public a little bit. And it does feel like. Like in middle school when you're like, oh, my God, can I wear your hat? And you, like, take. You know, take a guy's hat, maybe get your hat taken. It's like, yeah, you got a couple props. Then you have a couple of ways to introduce conversation.
- [59:49]
Charles Holmes
You. You get. Wait, what were you for Halloween?
- [59:52]
Unnamed Speaker
I didn't dress up this year. How dare you call me out on Main like that, Jody. I don't know what I was doing.
- [59:58]
Jody Walker
What?
- [59:58]
Charles Holmes
All right, well, I will give the.
- [60:00]
Jody Walker
People a sneak peek.
- [60:01]
Charles Holmes
What are you thinking about? What are you thinking about? This.
- [60:04]
Jody Walker
This.
- [60:05]
Charles Holmes
Maybe. Maybe the first chair.
- [60:07]
Jody Walker
Maybe a pilot.
- [60:09]
Unnamed Speaker
Ooh, maybe a captain. Captain I'm reclaiming captain, Captain, Captain Jody. And that brings us to our next email. We did get a lot of feedback from pilots kind of, you know, talking about the way that pilots are represented in this show. And there does, there does seem to be some reality to it, to the sort of archetypes that we're getting. We had a captain who preferred to stay anonymous reach out to say, I've been a captain for thousands of hours before I started my current airline. And yes, there very much is a code switch from first officer to captain. She's saying as a captain, you set the tone of the cockpit. I always try to keep mine open, calm and friendly. It's very rare in the normal day to day to have to exercise captain authority, but I have had to on occasion, always with regard to my first officer, despite the first officer. And she says, though I prefer co captain and thank you so much for not using the much hated term co pilot. You learn something every day. We also have used that term. So she's being very kind to us.
- [61:21]
Charles Holmes
My bad, my bad.
- [61:22]
Jody Walker
To all my pilots.
- [61:23]
Unnamed Speaker
Well, it's used within the show. Despite the first officer chameleon traits we have to embody in the right seat. Most pilots are what some lovingly call type A command does come naturally. And the chameleon in the right seat is the struggle. We didn't get to that cockpit without fighting a lot of battles for some of us. Cough, cough. Women, minorities, cough, often a few bonus skirmishes. Fun story. When you're at a new airline, the captains fill out a review sheet while you are still on probation. While I was at my regional job, a captain with whom I had excellent rapport wrote on mine under, how will this pilot perform as a captain? She thinks she already is one. I kept that one in my scrapbook. That is really enlightening.
- [62:13]
Jody Walker
Very enlightening.
- [62:13]
Charles Holmes
I mean, we shout out to all.
- [62:16]
Jody Walker
The pilots who emailed us. They are very communicative. They are. You are brave for your service and for being so honest.
- [62:23]
Charles Holmes
And it does.
- [62:24]
Unnamed Speaker
Well, they're probably trying to avoid having conversations in the pilot room with their, with their first officer as we, I mean, yes.
- [62:31]
Charles Holmes
But they're on their laptops through this email.
- [62:34]
Jody Walker
What I'm, I mean, what I'm seeing is, Jody, I'm not kidding. I think you might have a future as a pilot. I think podcasting is, you know, you've seen enough, right?
- [62:44]
Charles Holmes
No, you're going to be a pilot podcaster.
- [62:47]
Jody Walker
You're going to be podcasting from the cockpit.
- [62:50]
Unnamed Speaker
Well, I have been Looking to revolutionize the airline safety industry. This is my first step. This is my couch. I chose the couch or rug. I chose to start here, and we're gonna see what comes next.
- [63:04]
Charles Holmes
Do you.
- [63:05]
Jody Walker
Do you think Nathan Fielder can make it easier for the women pilots out there, the minority pilots out there? Do you think that this show can raise awareness that, hey, if you are. If you're the captain of this old thing, watch what you're saying. Don't be a creep.
- [63:20]
Charles Holmes
Be a. Be a. Be a great person.
- [63:22]
Unnamed Speaker
I mean, you know, I think some of that messaging is getting a little hidden behind the prosthetics and the realistically operating puppet breasts.
- [63:36]
Charles Holmes
Yeah.
- [63:36]
Unnamed Speaker
But I believe I said in the last episode, sort of inspired by the Meridith storyline and how her sort of gift, as Nathan was observing it to. To be able to navigate these challenging situations without kind of like stirring up someone getting mad at you. That's a very gendered skill. Like, that is something that girls learn and that they learn more and more as women about how. I mean, it's basically like how. How to keep yourself safe by not upsetting anyone. And. And it really made me have the thought last week, like, okay, why are we focusing on what we are now understand is kind of like the chameleon co captain? Why are we not focusing on what this emailer said is the more innateness to the captain to have this sort of authority and how they can navigate authority in a better way? And this episode, vis a vis cloning, we did start to do that. That's what Nathan's doing. He's turning his eye to the captain, to the innate captain nature. And I literally could not imagine what he's going to do next.
- [64:58]
Jody Walker
I mean, I think that's the perfect place to end it. And just like this episode, Jodie, you have woken me up from the darkness inside. Okay, Wake me up.
- [65:09]
Charles Holmes
Wake me up in. But you know what? Who else we need to wake up inside?
- [65:14]
Jody Walker
Everybody behind the scenes who was probably like, damn, y'all went long on that episode. Shout out to Justin Sales, Shout out to ct, shout out to Donnie. Without them, this podcast would not be possible. Thank y'all for listening. Make sure you email us. Like, honestly, if I'm a.
- [65:30]
Charles Holmes
If you guys are pilots out there.
- [65:32]
Jody Walker
Send us what your Evanescence. Send us your song.
- [65:35]
Charles Holmes
If, like, please, if I. I guarantee you, if you are a pilot, just send us what.
- [65:40]
Unnamed Speaker
How you cope.
- [65:41]
Charles Holmes
How you cope.
- [65:42]
Jody Walker
It could be a song, it could be an album. We will read it here live. The email is prestigetv@Spotify.com. it's not actually live. I'm lying. We're recording this.
- [65:52]
Charles Holmes
We are not recording this.
- [65:53]
Unnamed Speaker
It's the radio.
- [65:54]
Charles Holmes
It's the radio. But, yo, thank you, Jody. You are.
- [65:58]
Jody Walker
You are the best captain a co captain could ever have.
- [66:03]
Charles Holmes
We will see y'all next week. Boom. We are done. Thank you, Jody.