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Episode: America’s New Age of Political Violence — with Barbara F. Walter
Date: September 14, 2025
Host: Scott Galloway
Guest: Prof. Barbara F. Walter (UC San Diego, author of How Civil Wars Start)
Topic: Political violence in the US, root causes, comparative insights, and potential solutions

Overview

In this urgent and timely episode, Scott Galloway sits down with Professor Barbara F. Walter, a leading expert on civil wars and political violence, to discuss America’s escalating atmosphere of political violence following the high-profile murder of Charlie Kirk. Drawing on global expertise and US history, Walter outlines the structural conditions that make societies prone to violence, assesses current US vulnerabilities, and suggests possible policy responses.
The tone is sober, analytical, and at times deeply personal, as both host and guest grapple with the societal and human costs of radicalization.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Kirk Assassination and the Political Moment

[01:31]

• Galloway opens by emphasizing the different, ominous mood following the murder of Charlie Kirk:
  • “This feels as if we're on the precipice of something really dark.”
  • He draws a distinction between this event and past crises like January 6, noting an increased sense of threat and instability.

2. How Crises Fuel Authoritarianism

[03:26]

• Walter: Authoritarian “endgames” typically involve the exploitation or manufacture of crises:
  • “The strategy that you see these aspiring dictators pursue time and time again is they seek a crisis or an emergency... You use a violent episode to, one, demonize your opponent... and two, to convince people that power needs to be centralized, to declare a state of emergency, to declare martial law, and people will almost always exchange freedom for security.”
  • She cautions that, while Kirk’s murder is not the ‘Reichstag moment,’ the threat of such a moment exists between now and 2028 with potential for manipulation by political actors.

3. Social Media, Radicalization, and Young Men

[05:27]

• Galloway addresses the link between online behavior, young men, and violence.
• Walter: Facebook research revealed that time spent online increases risks of radicalization, depression, and violence.
  • “Spending hours and hours a day alone in your living room or in your bedroom watching violent videos or engaging in really extremist chat rooms does increase how radical you ultimately become and how likely you are to use violence.”
  • Young men, already at higher risk, are especially vulnerable to these online pipelines of extremism.

4. Warning Signs: Is America at Risk for a Civil War?

[09:06]

• Walter: Cites CIA’s Political Instability Task Force research. Two main predictors of civil violence:

  1. Anocracy (partial democracy):
     • “The vast majority of civil wars do not happen in healthy democracies and they do not happen in full autocracies. They happen in between, in this middle zone... with elements of both.”
  2. Identity-based political parties:
     • Where political parties align around race, religion, or ethnicity, not ideology.

• By both measures, the US is “solidly in the anocracy zone” and at risk:

  • “We are no longer considered by any group that studies democracy a full democracy... If you look at our political parties, they started breaking down by race and religion starting around 2018.”

• Immediate triggers:

  • Contested elections, loss of trust in electoral systems, and 'zero-sum' politics where losing means permanent exclusion.

5. Racial and Identity Divisions

[17:35 & 18:19]

• Galloway and Walter discuss the increasing alignment of political parties with ethnic and religious identities.
• Walter:
  • Although Trump has made some effort to reach Latinos, “the vast majority of Black Americans voted Democrat... whites overwhelmingly vote Republican—about 80%.”
  • “This starts to meet this criteria of identity based rather than ideologically based.”

6. Societal Response: Then and Now

[21:09]

• Walter: Contrasts past and current American reactions to political violence:
  • In the 1990s (Oklahoma City bombing), the response was “absolute horror, absolute condemnation” and aggressive FBI action.
  • Today, she sees a fractured response with some groups calling for retribution and the FBI being politicized and less effective.

7. Campus Trends: The Normalization of Violence

[27:10]

• Galloway flags rising student support for violence to silence speakers (“1 in 3 say violence is acceptable to stop a speaker”).
• Walter:
  • Attributes much of this change to the Internet and social media algorithms feeding emotionally charged, uncompromising content:
    • “We have a society that is much more distrustful of each other, distrustful of the system, isolated from each other... and then they hear something different... they're ready to go to battle.”
  • Criticizes universities for failing to teach debate and respect for speech.

8. The “Three-Legged Stool” of Political Violence

[31:10]

• Galloway’s thesis on root causes:

  1. Algorithms that promote rage
  2. Struggling young men (economically, socially, romantically)
  3. Ready access to guns
  • “We now believe... it’s not Russians... or income inequality... that is our enemy. It's our neighbor who has different political beliefs.”

• Walter: Fully agrees; radicalization would be far less likely “if the gunman... hadn’t had access to the Internet... and access to guns.”

  • Memorable quote:
    • “If this kid hadn't had access to the Internet, he would be a scholarship student and wouldn't be spending the rest of his life in prison, and Charlie Kirk, a father of two, would still be alive.” [33:48]

9. What to Do: Solutions and Policy Recommendations

[35:31]

• Walter: The most important step is restoring a “strong, healthy democracy”—but this is unlikely in the short term because political incentives discourage necessary reforms.

  • Known democratic deficits: gerrymandering, an unreformed Senate and electoral college, big money in politics.
  • Both parties have failed or refused to reform these.

• Most actionable solution:

  • Regulate social media algorithms.
    • “Have the courage to take on the tech companies, give up the money... do what’s right for America. Do what’s right for your teenage boy, and don't allow them to basically control the minds and the limbic systems of our kids. Set them up for a life that will be more divided, more hate filled, less prosperous, more violent than they would have otherwise gotten.” [39:04]

10. Final Note

• Both express a profound sense of heartbreak for all affected by political violence—victims, perpetrators, families, and the nation.

Notable Quotes

• Scott Galloway [01:31]:
  “This feels as if we're on the precipice of something really dark.”

• Barbara Walter [03:26]:
  “If they think they're losing, that democracy is about to disappear, they'll fight against that... And people will almost always exchange freedom for security.”

• Barbara Walter [09:06]:
  “The vast majority of political violence, the vast majority of civil wars do not happen in healthy democracies... They happen in between, in this middle zone.”

• Barbara Walter [33:48]:
  “If the gunman who killed Charlie Kirk hadn't had access to the Internet... he would still be in college and he'd still have a future ahead of him, and Charlie Kirk would still be alive.”

• Barbara Walter [39:04]:
  “Regulate the algorithms of social media... Set them up for a life that will be more divided, more hate filled, less prosperous, more violent than they would have otherwise gotten.”

Important Timestamps

• [01:31]: Galloway frames the darkness of the moment, introduces guest
• [03:26]: Walter explains how political crises are used by aspiring dictators
• [05:27]: Discussion of young men, online radicalization, and Facebook’s internal findings
• [09:06]: Core predictors of civil wars, how the US compares
• [18:19]: Discussion of racial identities in US political parties
• [21:09]: Historical versus current responses to domestic extremism
• [27:45]: Walter on internet-driven student radicalization and the failure of universities
• [33:06]: Galloway’s “three-legged stool” thesis and Walter’s agreement
• [35:31]: Walter’s solution: regulating social media algorithms and the limitations of political reform

Conclusion

This episode delivers a comprehensive, sobering analysis of America’s rising political violence. Prof. Walter’s expertise gives context to both the warning signs and possible interventions, while Galloway’s reflections bring the crisis down to the level of families and individuals. The episode stands out for its blend of data-driven insight and palpable emotional urgency.