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Scott Galloway
Welcome to the Prop GPOD's office hours. This is the part of the show where we answer your questions about business, big tech, entrepreneurship, and whatever else is on your mind. If you'd like to submit a question, please email a voice recording to officehoursoptudmedia.com Again, that's officehoursoftmedia.com Just a little bit of background, a little bit of texture on the dog. I'm in Brazil, in Sao Paulo. I took an overnight here. I couldn't sleep this morning I took a Xanax which made me sleep very hard for about three and a half hours and I have been podcasting for five and a half hours straight. I am so cooked right now. So with that let's throw a bunch of meaningful deep life lessons at me or questions. And I don't this is either going to go very well or very poorly.
Sarah
First Question hi Prof. G. I'm Sarah from New York. I run A startup in the retail marketing space. And I'm super curious to hear your thoughts on Perplexity's new Buy with Pro feature. What does this mean for the retail industry? Thanks.
Scott Galloway
We had to come in hot with a hard question. Buy with Pro is a way to shop online with AI. The platform now allows its paid users to search, compare and buy products all in one place. It's a chat based assistant that includes visual search similar to Google Lens. So, okay, a couple things here. I say this a lot. The biggest mistake we've made in marketing is that consumers don't want choice. They want fewer choices presented, but want to be more confident in those choices served up to them. That's the whole basis, especially retail. Not 32 toasters at Walmart, the right two from William Snow, but from a woman who has better taste in kitchen electronics than you do. Perplexity isn't alone here. Google, Amazon, ebay and Klarna are all getting into the AI shopping game. How could this affect the industry? It's already challenging traditional affiliate marketing models. Platforms including Perplexity are partnering with publishers to share ad revenue. But it's unclear how much these relationships will shift the balance of power. So alongside the launch of these tools, I think Perplexity is rolling out a merchant program. And that is retailers who enroll have a better chance of being featured in recommendations and get free API access to Power search on their own sites. When asked if Perplexity makes any money from sales through the Buy with Pro button, spokesperson there said, not at the moment, but I think if they create enough traffic and attention, they will be able to monetize it. Look, I like this. And we talk about the balance of power. The balance of power is just shifting from the analog or from capital to ip. What do I mean by that? You don't want to manufacture cars. You want to create a layer of software on top of them to sell them. You don't want to be in the business of fast fashion. You want to be in the business that's Airbnb. You want to be in the business of having software that observes the traffic on your site and then sends out orders to whatever factory can do this most elegantly and then put in place a transportation system. You don't want to own any assets. And this to me feels like again, more assets and shareholder value are transferring from the people who own stores, the people who insert themselves in between them. If I could invest in any AI property right now, hint, hint, CEO, please call me, I'd like to invest. It would be Perplexity, because I like the positioning. I like perplexity. This is whether this application works or not. It's already worked because we're talking about it. It signals innovation. Yet another person getting in between the consumer and the retailer. And if they build enough traffic, this is a model overspend. No one can compete with you. Don't charge anything, Start getting big traffic, and then slowly but surely, once you have 1, 10, 50% of traffic, start implementing real fees and onerous fees. Anyways, thanks for the question. Question number two.
Sarah
Hi, Scott, this is Noah in Nevada. As a branding expert and visitor, do you think any city or product has marketed itself as effectively as Vegas? Turning a hot, gray, isolated desert crossroads into the global hub of entertainment, opulence and networking appears to be a contender for number one masterclass in branding. How do you see Las Vegas adapting and faring over the next decade or so? Thank you for consideration and enjoy your time in the desert.
Scott Galloway
No, that's such an interesting point. Hands down, best managed brand in municipal cities or in metros or whatever the term is for a city. Hands down, what is brand? Brand means differentiation, right? You got 10 brands of cereal, which one do you pull off the shelf? You got 10 super cities. Actually, two thirds of all economic growth is going to take place in about 25 super cities. I don't think Las Vegas qualifies as a super, but I think LA is a little bit like Sydney. I think that New York is a little bit like London. They're kind of analogs to almost every city. I would argue that Orange county or Southern California is a little bit like Cape Town. Cape Town's on my brain because I'm going there later in the month. Reminds me of what I think California was like in the 60s. There's always sort of an analog, except for Vegas. Vegas is singular. In addition, the brand positioning of what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. I just think it's fucking genius. I know this firsthand. I was in Vegas 15 hours ago and what am I doing in Vegas? I'm gambling, I'm yelling when I get blackjack, I'm getting way too fucked up. And it's okay. I thought about going to a strip club last night. I haven't been to a strip Club in 10 years. That's just not my. Not my vibe. But it felt natural. It felt like, oh, wait, we just gambled, we made some money, we're fucked up. Oh, we should definitely go to a strip club. No, I shouldn't. Why on earth would I go to a strip Club, but you have license to just go kind of just to just sin a little bit and it's legal. But you would never do. I would never go to a strip club in any city I live in. By the way, general rule, general decent rules for life. Don't go to strip clubs or eat fast food in the cities you live in. I do eat fast food, but only when I'm traveling and I'm trying to screen that out of my life because I'm getting older and that's just shitty food. Anyways, the branding around Vegas is singular. These people are very smart and it's amazing how it survived. And granted it's down a little bit from post Covid because gambling is so ubiquitous now, but they have done an amazing job. So a singular brand, high margin revenue because it taps into an addiction. And the result is just an incredible offering. By the way, let's talk a little bit about Vegas hotels. I used to get 40 bucks from a ready teller when I was in college. And we get ridiculously stoned and think, I know, let's go to Vegas. And I'd get in my friend's red Jetta. Of course he did not drink and drive. We'd go to Vegas for the night. Golden nugget, Steven Nguyen, 9.99. Best buffet. So we'd have 30 bucks. I'd play blackjack at a $1 table. Boom. I remember because I used to wear my mom's boyfriend's cardigan because he was rich and had good taste and he gave me a cardigan that I always used to wear. And then I upgraded to the Tropicana with the Toucans with those birds. 19 bucks a night. And then I got really fucking crazy and started going to the. Oh my God, what was the one with the tigers? Treasure Island. No, wait, I don't know. And then when I started to make some money, hello ladies. And I to the Rio. The. Remember the Rio Hotel? The Hook. I love, I love what cab drivers say. I would say, I'm going to the Rio. And they'd go the Rio, where it's hooker friendly. Anyways, loved the Rio for a while. Then I was at the Palms for like a hot minute. And then when I started making some money, I started staying at the Cosmo. State of the Bellagio. Too high end for me. Felt like it was in a Frank Sinatra film. I was waiting for the ass cancer from all the meat. I'm partying with Angie Dickinson later tonight. By the way, did I tell you I did Xanax last night. Anyway, so then when I started making real money, I went to the Cosmo. If you're older and have some money and you want to hang out with younger people, really interesting concept. Take the coolest brands, Beauty in Essex, Milos, license it, bring in there. Then I went to the Aria. Newer, higher end, kind of like a Lexus, sort of feel more modern. Was a fucking disaster for the developers but they finished it. It was nice. And now, now I stay at the Win because even though it's a bunch of rich people from Texas and not my vibe, I just like good service and they do the best job. The Win and the Encore and my impression are hands down the best casinos. There you go. There's a story of my hotels in Vegas. But see above a singular city resulting in unearned margin. Thanks for the question. We have one quick break before our final question. Stay with us. Support for the show comes from Betterment. Do you want your money to be motivated? Do you want your money to rise and grind? Do you think your money should get up and work? Don't worry, Betterment is here to help. Betterment is the automated investing and savings app that makes your money hustle. 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Scott Galloway
Welcome back. Question number three hi Prof. G. I'd.
Noah
Appreciate some parenting advice. I have an ambitious high school senior who has been accepted to a high status university, Michigan and a lower status university, Montana State. He plans to double major in mathematics and computer science. My son fell in love with the lower status campus and his outdoor recreation, skiing, fishing, mountain biking, all of which he loves by instinct. Screams take the higher status option. But compelling him away from his first choice runs the risk of resentment, burnout or dropout.
Scott Galloway
Look, I hate this bullshit of just where he's going to go, where he's going to be happy. This is the bottom line. Colleges is fucking amazing, all right? He's going to have four amazing years and there's just no getting around it. We tell ourselves this myth that it doesn't matter where you go to school as long as you get a good education. It's not true. We have a caste system in our society. In Europe it's your family name, in the US it's the college you went to and then the first few firms you work for. Your economic trajectory in your 20s largely sets the economic trajectory for the rest of your life. And the thing that sets your economic trajectory right out at 22 is the university you went to. The big name brand state school you're talking about, it's just going to offer more opportunity. There's very few brands that stick with you the rest of your life and say something about you. And unfortunately that's your university. My son, I had a similar situation with my son. My son applied to a bunch of boarding schools in the uk. One was lesser prestigious, he got in and he got into another one that was kind of like iconic and I think he was a bit intimidated by the Iconic one. And we said, look, you have agency here. What do you want to do? And he said, I want to go to the. Kind of the second tier, but good one. And I took him on a long walk, and this is what I said to him. I said, you know I'm smart, right? I literally said that. And he's like, yeah. And I said, and you know I love you, right? Yeah. And I'm like, I want to make really good. I want to help you make really good decisions, and I want you to trust me on this one. I think you'd be better off here. I think this will set you up for a better education and more opportunities. And I was really lucky. He was silent for a second and he said, okay. And I don't know if you have that kind of relationship with your son, but I want to be clear. I think you're more doors. I just talked to a kid who got into a mediocre university where he could play basketball and to MIT where he wasn't going to play basketball, and he chose the mediocre school. And my advice was, dude, go to MIT and buy a fucking basketball team in 20 years. Would you like to own a basketball team someday? I'm like, you're not going to be an NBA player. There's just no getting around it. Your son would be better in terms of prospects. I mean, if he hates it and he's going to be depressed, fine. But the school you're talking about is an amazing school. He's going to have a great time. Fraternities, sororities, football games. So I hate to say this, but I would just tap in and say, look, boss, I love you. I'm smart. Can you defer to me on this? Can you trust me on this? And if you don't like it, you can easily transfer from this school to this one. You know, on this one, can I cash in some chips? Let me finish with the following. You and your partner have clearly done a great job. This is what you call a great problem. If your son is into both these schools, it means you have. You have raised a thoughtful, disciplined young man. And at the end of the day, that's the headline news. Well done. That's all for this episode. If you'd like to submit a question, please email a voice recording to office hours profgmedia.com Again, that's office hoursprofgmedia.com this episode was produced by Jennifer Sanchez and Caroline Chagrin. Drew Burroughs is our technical director. Thank you for listening to the property pod from the Vox Media Podcast Network. We will catch you on Saturday for no Mercy, no Malice as read by George Hahn and please follow our Profit Markets pod wherever you get your pods for new episodes every Monday and Thursday.
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Podcast Summary: The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
Episode Title: How AI Is Shaping the Future of Retail, Las Vegas and Its Strong Brand, and How Do You Help Your Kid Pick the Right College?
Release Date: December 4, 2024
Host: Scott Galloway
Network: Vox Media Podcast Network
Overview
In this insightful episode of The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway, the renowned professor, bestselling author, and entrepreneur delves into three pivotal topics shaping today's business and personal landscapes:
Scott's candid discussions, enriched with personal anecdotes and expert analysis, provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of these subjects, blending business acumen with life advice.
Timestamp: [02:27]
Scott opens the episode by addressing a question from Sarah, a startup founder in the retail marketing space, about Perplexity's new "Buy with Pro" feature and its implications for the retail industry.
Key Points Discussed:
AI-Driven Shopping Experiences:
Scott explains that "Buy with Pro" allows consumers to shop online using AI, facilitating product searches, comparisons, and purchases within a single platform. This feature leverages chat-based assistance and visual search capabilities similar to Google Lens.
Consumer Preferences and Choice Overload:
Highlighting a common marketing pitfall, Scott states, "The biggest mistake we've made in marketing is that consumers don't want choice. They want fewer choices presented, but want to be more confident in those choices served up to them" ([02:43]). He emphasizes that in retail, the focus should shift from providing an overwhelming array of options to curating a select few that resonate with consumer preferences.
Industry Competition and Power Dynamics:
Scott notes that Perplexity isn’t alone in the AI shopping arena, with giants like Google, Amazon, eBay, and Klarna also entering the space. This surge in AI-driven shopping tools challenges traditional affiliate marketing models, as platforms like Perplexity partner with publishers to share ad revenue. However, Scott expresses uncertainty about how these partnerships will reshape industry power structures.
Merchant Programs and Retailer Opportunities:
With the introduction of merchant programs, retailers enrolling with Perplexity stand a better chance of being featured in AI-driven recommendations. Additionally, they gain free API access to implement Power Search on their own websites, enhancing their online presence and sales potential.
Monetization Strategies and Market Dominance:
Scott speculates that while Perplexity isn't currently monetizing the "Buy with Pro" feature directly, increased traffic and user engagement could pave the way for future revenue streams. He predicts a strategic shift where platforms initially offer free services to amass significant traffic, eventually introducing fees once they dominate a substantial market share.
Notable Quote:
"The balance of power is just shifting from the analog or from capital to IP. What do I mean by that? You don't want to manufacture cars. You want to create a layer of software on top of them to sell them."
— Scott Galloway ([02:43])
Insights:
Scott underscores the transformative potential of AI in retail, suggesting that the future belongs to those who can seamlessly integrate intelligent software layers to enhance consumer experiences without the burdens of asset ownership. He advocates for investing in AI-driven platforms like Perplexity, which position themselves as intermediaries between consumers and retailers, thereby capitalizing on the shift towards intellectual property-centric business models.
Timestamp: [05:22]
The second question comes from Noah in Nevada, seeking Scott's expertise on Las Vegas's branding prowess and its outlook over the next decade.
Key Points Discussed:
Unique Branding Excellence:
Scott lauds Las Vegas as "hands down, the best managed brand in municipal cities or in metros" ([05:54]). He attributes this success to the city's ability to differentiate itself uniquely, transforming a "hot, gray, isolated desert crossroads into the global hub of entertainment, opulence, and networking."
Singular Brand Identity:
Unlike other cities that have analogs worldwide (e.g., Los Angeles akin to Sydney, New York to London), Scott posits that Las Vegas's brand is singular and unparalleled. This distinctiveness allows Vegas to maintain a unique position in the global consciousness, fostering a high-margin revenue model by tapping into inherent human behaviors and addictions, such as gambling.
Resilience and Adaptation:
Despite challenges like the post-COVID downturn, Las Vegas has demonstrated remarkable resilience. Scott points out that while gambling has become more ubiquitous, the city's strategic branding ensures it remains a top destination for entertainment and leisure.
Personal Anecdotes Highlighting Brand Experience:
Scott shares personal memories of various Las Vegas hotels and casinos, illustrating how each establishment contributes to the overarching brand narrative. From budget-friendly options like the Golden Nugget to high-end resorts like The Cosmo and The Win, each venue offers a unique experience that aligns with Las Vegas's glamorous and indulgent image.
Notable Quote:
"I just think it's fucking genius. I know this firsthand. I was in Vegas 15 hours ago and... it's okay. I thought about going to a strip club last night. I haven't been to a strip club in 10 years. That's just not my vibe."
— Scott Galloway ([05:54])
Insights:
Scott emphasizes that Las Vegas's success lies in its ability to offer a controlled environment where indulgence is not only permitted but also expected. This strategic brand positioning fosters high-margin revenue streams by catering to desires and addictions within a regulated framework. He also contrasts Vegas's brand strength with other cities, highlighting its unmatched ability to maintain a singular, compelling identity that attracts visitors worldwide.
Timestamp: [12:36]
The final question addresses a deeply personal and consequential decision: guiding an ambitious high school senior in choosing between a prestigious university and a preferred but lower-status institution.
Key Points Discussed:
Economic Trajectory and University Prestige:
Scott argues that the choice of university significantly impacts one's economic trajectory. He states, "Your economic trajectory in your 20s largely sets the economic trajectory for the rest of your life. And the thing that sets your economic trajectory right out at 22 is the university you went to" ([13:11]). The prestige of the institution can open more doors and offer greater opportunities in the competitive job market.
Societal Caste Systems and Long-Term Implications:
Drawing parallels to societal caste systems, Scott emphasizes that, much like family names in Europe, the college one attends in the U.S. serves as a critical determinant of social and economic mobility. The brand legacy of the university carries weight throughout one's career and beyond.
Balancing Personal Happiness with Future Opportunities:
While acknowledging the son's preference for a lower-status university that aligns with his love for outdoor activities, Scott advises prioritizing long-term benefits over immediate personal satisfaction. He suggests that attending a higher-status institution offers more substantial future rewards, even if it means initial discomfort.
Parental Influence and Communication:
Scott shares a personal anecdote about advising his son, reinforcing the importance of open communication and trust in parental guidance. He encourages parents to assertively advocate for decisions that favor their child's future, while also recognizing and validating the child's feelings and preferences.
Flexibility and Future Transfers:
He mentions that if the student ultimately feels dissatisfied, transferring is a viable option. However, the primary recommendation is to prioritize institutions that provide stronger foundational opportunities for future success.
Notable Quote:
"We have a caste system in our society. In Europe it's your family name, in the US it's the college you went to and then the first few firms you work for."
— Scott Galloway ([13:11])
Insights:
Scott underscores the profound impact that the choice of university has on an individual's career and economic prospects. He advocates for selecting institutions that offer robust networking opportunities, prestigious brand recognition, and pathways to influential career positions. While personal happiness and interests are important, Scott posits that the long-term advantages of attending a higher-status university often outweigh the immediate appeal of a preferred environment. His advice emphasizes strategic decision-making aimed at maximizing future success and minimizing potential regrets.
Conclusion
In this episode, Scott Galloway adeptly navigates complex topics, providing listeners with a blend of strategic business insights and practical life advice. Whether dissecting the evolving landscape of AI in retail, applauding Las Vegas's branding genius, or offering guidance on pivotal life choices like college selection, Scott's expertise shines through. His ability to intertwine personal experiences with professional analysis offers a relatable and authoritative perspective, making this episode a valuable resource for entrepreneurs, students, and anyone interested in the intersecting worlds of business and personal development.
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