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Scott Galloway
I'm Scott Galloway and this is no mercy, no malice. Young men face a variety of obstacles to thrive. One of those obstacles on demand Porn.
George Hahn
Porn as read by George Hahn Pornography is the McDonald's of sex. Fast, convenient, and utterly divorced from nutrition. Unquote. Anonymous I was at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona earlier this month. A young man, married with two kids who founded a tech firm approached me and asked if I'd mentor him. I told him, boss, you should mentor me.
Unknown Male Speaker
I mentor young men who are struggling.
George Hahn
And you are clearly thriving. He said, I have an addiction. I said, what's the addiction? Porn. As soon as the words left his mouth, I sensed shame. Within 15 seconds, he couldn't look me in the eye, and within 60 seconds he'd fled. All addictions are wrapped in some shame.
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But not in equal amounts.
George Hahn
Tell someone you're sober from pills or booze and you'll get praise and admiration.
Unknown Male Speaker
The same is not true for people.
George Hahn
With a porn addiction. In the past six months, a half.
Unknown Male Speaker
Dozen men have told me their drug.
George Hahn
Of choice is porn.
Unknown Male Speaker
I suspect they aren't outliers, but canaries sounding an alarm from the most opaque.
George Hahn
Sector of the addiction economy at the.
Unknown Male Speaker
Turn of the millennium. There were no social media platforms, there.
George Hahn
Wasn'T enough bandwidth to run video, and Amazon was a bookstore.
Unknown Male Speaker
But online porn dates back to 1995. By 2004, online porn was so ubiquitous that Avenue Q won six Tony Awards.
George Hahn
Including best musical with a song called Wait for It.
Unknown Male Speaker
The Internet is for porn.
George Hahn
Nobody doubted that claim then and nobody doubts it now.
Unknown Male Speaker
But how much of today's Internet is porn A we're not sure. Some estimates put porn related traffic as.
George Hahn
High as one third of all Internet traffic. Pornhub, the leading distributor of free ad supported porn, ranks in the top 20 websites globally.
Unknown Male Speaker
Ten of its competitors rank in the top 100.
George Hahn
Porn addiction isn't listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, but in a study of 2,000American adults, 11% of men and 3% of women reported some agreement with the statement I am addicted to pornography. Fewer people than report alcohol abuse, but more than admit to a problem with gaming or gambling. On my podcast, Dr. Anna Lemke, a.
Unknown Male Speaker
Professor of psychiatry at Stanford and the author of Dopamine Nation, said that beginning in the early 2000s, she saw warning signs in male patients who self described.
George Hahn
As porn addicts and cited the Internet as the culprit.
Unknown Male Speaker
Since then, there's been an escalation in.
George Hahn
People presenting with digital addictions.
Unknown Male Speaker
Porn addiction may be difficult to isolate.
George Hahn
Within the broader and more diffuse Internet.
Unknown Male Speaker
Addiction, but compared to other Internet enabled compulsions, there's relatively little peer reviewed research.
George Hahn
My thesis Few academics want to be known as the porn professor Shame Humans.
Unknown Male Speaker
Came off the savanna hardwired for addiction. The dopamine rush a hunter felt when taking down a mammoth is neurologically the.
George Hahn
Same feeling a gambler gets when betting.
Unknown Male Speaker
Our instinct to gorge whenever we see food was honed during millennia of scarcity. And it's that same instinct the food.
George Hahn
Industrial complex leverages to keep people eating.
Unknown Male Speaker
Long past the point of being satiated.
George Hahn
Ours is an addiction economy. The most valuable companies arbitrage the disparity between our instincts and industrial production.
Unknown Male Speaker
On the Internet, everyone has access to.
George Hahn
Everyone and the digitization of a market results in a winner take. Most ecosystem dating apps sort potential partners.
Unknown Male Speaker
Into a small group of haves and.
George Hahn
A titanic group of have nots on hinge. The top 10% of men receive 60% of the likes.
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The comparable figure for women is 45%. Online porn exploits the lack of mating opportunities for men. The most Recent figures for Elo, the.
George Hahn
Company behind Pornhub brazzers RedTube Uporn and XTube showed 2018 revenue of $460 million, with a profit margin of 50%. Meanwhile, OnlyFans generated $6.6 billion in revenue in 2023.
Unknown Male Speaker
The firm has more than 300 million registered accounts, of which 70% are male. On the other end of the Internet.
George Hahn
Connection are 4.1 million creators, 84% of them women.
Unknown Male Speaker
While OnlyFans is known for its subscription model, one off transactions are driving 88%.
George Hahn
Of the revenue growth. These tips are an arbitrage on the disparity between the biological impulse to mate.
Unknown Male Speaker
And the lack of mating opportunities. There are fewer economically and emotionally viable men and too few venues where a man can develop the skills to express.
George Hahn
Romantic interest while making a woman feel safe.
Unknown Male Speaker
Research shows women are attracted to men.
George Hahn
Who signal three primary resources intellect and kindness. In the VHS and DVD eras, porn.
Unknown Male Speaker
Consumption was a wealth transfer from men to the adult entertainment industry and mom and pop video store owners.
George Hahn
In the OnlyFans era, it's a wealth.
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Transfer from hundreds of millions of men to a handful of platforms and tens.
George Hahn
Of thousands of women. During its peak growth, OnlyFans was adding the population of Atlanta to its registered.
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User base every day.
George Hahn
The average OnlyFans creator grosses roughly $1,800 annually.
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One analysis found that creators in the top 0.1% collect 100 times what those.
George Hahn
In the top 10% bring in.
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One OnlyFans earner grossed $43 million in a single year. A common query I receive at speaking.
George Hahn
Gigs is who is Most vulnerable to AI easy OnlyFans is ground zero for disruption from AI bots. This is not a good thing, as.
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There will be less friction to becoming.
George Hahn
Less social, less mammalian. We are what we pay attention to.
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More research is needed.
George Hahn
See above, but one study found that.
Unknown Male Speaker
Porn consumption explained 9% of the variation.
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In men's sexual objectification of women. Among men who preferred degrading pornography, the variance increased to 20%.
Unknown Male Speaker
A longitudinal survey of 962 Dutch adolescents found exposure to porn among males was a strong predictor of objectifying attitudes toward females. We pathologize males attracted to misogynistic communities.
George Hahn
As incels potential mass shooters and sex criminals, but these men are statistical outliers. However, we may be evolving a new species of asocial asexual male Homo solo. Homo solo's inability to develop romantic skills.
Unknown Male Speaker
Means he's primarily a danger to himself.
George Hahn
As he's likely to be less happy, earn less money, and die sooner.
Unknown Male Speaker
Homo Solo's AI girlfriend never says no, is never tired, busy or in a bad mood.
George Hahn
In other words, she's not human.
Unknown Male Speaker
And that obviates the risk of rejection.
George Hahn
And the other complexities of real life relationships. The skills developed or not in the pursuit of organic love are key skills.
Unknown Male Speaker
That serve men well in a variety of environments for the rest of their lives.
George Hahn
We've been taught to believe that the.
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Menace to society was the fraternity alpha male. It isn't. Society is being subjected to the sociopathy of a bunch of tech CEOs who.
George Hahn
In my view, did not get laid enough as young men. Most leaders, however, hone skills from mating that have been key to their success.
Unknown Male Speaker
Show me a guy who is competent.
George Hahn
In a bar and I'll show you someone who can be reasonable in a boardroom.
Unknown Male Speaker
Show me a guy who objectifies women.
George Hahn
Building an app that pits women against.
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One another based solely on their physical.
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Attributes, and I'll show you Mark Zuckerberg and an app whose algorithms encourage girls to sexualize themselves and young people to.
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Generally feel shittier about themselves. Sexual desire is fire. Without this fire, our species goes out of business.
George Hahn
Unfortunately, we've built a fire retardant generation.
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Zoomers prefer staying home and scrolling to going out.
George Hahn
And when they do venture out, they're.
Unknown Male Speaker
Less likely to visit a bar, reducing the chances they'll make a series of bad decisions that might pay off.
George Hahn
By the way, I believe the anti.
Unknown Male Speaker
Alcohol movement is second only to remote.
George Hahn
Work in the damage it's doing to young people. The risk to a 25 year old.
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Liver is dwarfed by the social isolation.
George Hahn
And loneliness epidemic plaguing America's youth. Think of the most important things in your life.
Unknown Male Speaker
Who you decided to have kids with and the friends you still count on. Then ask did alcohol lubricate the often awkward formation and cementing of those bonds?
George Hahn
Despite the risk to our one and only God shareholder value.
Unknown Male Speaker
One third of workers say they've had a workplace romance. This is verboten, but it shouldn't be. Work is a great place to find a mate. The rules don't apply, however, if you're.
George Hahn
The founder of a tech firm. See above men who didn't get laid in college.
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The culture wars are another.
George Hahn
Fire retardant Richard Reeves, the president of.
Unknown Male Speaker
The American Institute for Boys and Men, recently told Vox that men know what.
George Hahn
Not to do on a date. Don't mansplain.
Unknown Male Speaker
Don't be toxic, don't be a predator.
George Hahn
Don'T be a creep. But they're clueless about what to do on a date. We've pathologized the pursuit of sex that is dating and made porn the path.
Unknown Male Speaker
Of exponentially less resistance.
George Hahn
In news that won't surprise anyone, dampening.
Unknown Male Speaker
The fire that fuels casual sex and dating has coincided with the US Birth rate hitting an all time low.
George Hahn
Global birth rates are also plummeting.
Unknown Male Speaker
According to Pew, 63% of men under 30 are single, compared with 34% of women. That is the women are dating older guys. More than half of single Americans say.
George Hahn
They'Re not currently looking for a relationship or casual dates.
Unknown Male Speaker
Another study found the percentage of sexually.
George Hahn
Inactive men ages 18 to 24 increased.
Unknown Male Speaker
From 19% in 2002 to 31% in 2018.
George Hahn
The percentage of sexually inactive young women increased from 15% to 19% over the same period. I graduated barely from CUCLA with a 2.27 GPA. I did, however, go on campus almost every day.
Unknown Male Speaker
Specifically, I left my fraternity to venture on campus as UCLA in the 80s.
George Hahn
Was like a Cinemax film set in Brentwood. I would hang at North Campus with friends and, to be blunt, hope to meet someone. I might note might is doing a lot of work, have sex and establish a relationship with.
Unknown Male Speaker
If I'd had on Demand porn on.
George Hahn
My phone and computer, I'm not sure.
Unknown Male Speaker
I would have graduated as I would have lost some of the incentive to venture on campus.
George Hahn
I just read the previous sentence and it sounds crass and shallow, but it's also accurate. And that's the rub, so to speak.
Unknown Male Speaker
Porn can reduce your ambition to take.
George Hahn
Risks, become a better person, and build a better life. The best thing in my life is raising two men with a competent, loving partner. The catalyst for me risking humiliation approaching her at the rally hotel pool and.
Unknown Male Speaker
Introducing myself wasn't a desire to someday.
George Hahn
Qualify for lower car insurance rates, but.
Unknown Male Speaker
The desire hope to have sex.
George Hahn
By the way, our oldest son's middle name is Raleigh and I'm taking him on a college tour next week.
Unknown Male Speaker
The key to success isn't getting an.
George Hahn
Investor, employer or woman to say yes.
Unknown Male Speaker
It's putting yourself in situations where you.
George Hahn
Take risks, get a no, and realize you're fine. That is Build resilience.
Unknown Male Speaker
And while it's great that social norms have helped more women feel comfortable asking.
George Hahn
Men out the default setting the expectation.
Unknown Male Speaker
Continues to be that men make the first move.
George Hahn
Among zoomers, one study found men paid.
Unknown Male Speaker
For all or most of a couple's.
George Hahn
Dates 90% of the time.
Unknown Male Speaker
On first dates, 80% of men expect.
George Hahn
To pay and 55% of women expect him to pay. I've told my boys that whenever they are in the company of Women, they pay. Can't wait for the shit on that one. I coach a number of young men.
Unknown Male Speaker
It's unrealistic to tell them to abstain from porn. And there is evidence that porn consumption is fine in moderation. The problem is losing the fire, the sexual desire that inspires you to be a better man. To have a plan for economic viability, to be fit to demonstrate kindness, intelligence and a willingness to take risks. To build resilience and develop the ability.
George Hahn
To express romantic interest while making someone feel safe.
Unknown Male Speaker
We have companies with infinite resources and.
George Hahn
Command of godlike technology, all attempting to.
Unknown Male Speaker
Convince young men they can have a.
George Hahn
Reasonable facsimile of life on a screen with an algorithm.
Unknown Male Speaker
The most frightening data I've seen recently is that 51% of men aged 18 to 24 have never asked a woman out in person.
George Hahn
I find this so fucking depressing.
Unknown Male Speaker
Romantic comedies are two hours, not 15 minutes for a reason.
George Hahn
Relationships and mating are hard and worth it.
Unknown Male Speaker
We need more venues. National service, third places, freshman seats, the.
George Hahn
Office where young people can meet.
Unknown Male Speaker
And men need to recognize there's a profit motive in dampening the flames of.
George Hahn
Desire and motivation to become better men.
Unknown Male Speaker
In sum, as I said on Bill.
George Hahn
Maher's show, young men need to get out of the house, take risks and.
Unknown Male Speaker
Demonstrate excellence so they can make their own bad porn.
Scott Galloway
Life is so rich.
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Podcast Summary: No Mercy / No Malice: Porn
Podcast Information:
The episode opens with Scott Galloway introducing the topic of pornography as a significant obstacle for young men striving to thrive in today's society. He frames pornography addiction as a modern-day challenge that intertwines with issues of shame, mental health, and societal expectations.
Notable Quote:
Scott Galloway [01:27]: "Young men face a variety of obstacles to thrive. One of those obstacles on demand Porn."
George Hahn narrates the historical trajectory of online pornography, tracing its origins back to 1995. He highlights the explosion of online porn by 2004, emphasizing its integration into mainstream internet usage.
Notable Quotes:
George Hahn [03:03]: "In the past six months, a half dozen men have told me their addiction of choice is porn."
George Hahn [03:37]: "The Internet is for porn. Nobody doubted that claim then and nobody doubts it now."
Hahn discusses the significant portion of internet traffic attributed to pornography, citing that some estimates suggest up to one-third of all internet traffic is related to pornographic content. He underscores the dominance of platforms like Pornhub, which ranks among the top 20 websites globally.
The discussion delves into the psychological and social ramifications of pornography addiction. Hahn references studies indicating that a notable percentage of men and women acknowledge struggles with pornography, with men reporting higher incidences.
Notable Quotes:
George Hahn [04:01]: "A study of 2,000 American adults found 11% of men and 3% of women reported some agreement with the statement 'I am addicted to pornography.'"
George Hahn [05:03]: "Few academics want to be known as the porn professor Shame."
Hahn contrasts societal reactions to different addictions, noting that while substance abuse often elicits sympathy and support, pornography addiction is shrouded in stigma and shame. This dichotomy exacerbates the challenges faced by those struggling with porn addiction, making it harder for them to seek help.
Exploring the concept of the "addiction economy," Hahn explains how modern technology and online platforms have commodified human instincts, particularly the biological impulses related to mating and consumption.
Notable Quotes:
George Hahn [05:39]: "Ours is an addiction economy. The most valuable companies arbitrage the disparity between our instincts and industrial production."
George Hahn [07:11]: "These tips are an arbitrage on the disparity between the biological impulse to mate and the lack of mating opportunities."
Hahn discusses the role of platforms like OnlyFans, which have revolutionized the distribution and monetization of adult content. He highlights the revenue models and the disproportionate earnings within the platform, where a small percentage of creators earn the majority of profits.
Notable Quote:
George Hahn [07:34]: "OnlyFans is ground zero for disruption from AI bots. This is not a good thing."
The conversation shifts to the broader societal implications of pervasive porn consumption. Hahn posits that excessive engagement with pornography may contribute to the emergence of "Homo solo"—a term he uses to describe increasingly isolated and asocial males who struggle with romantic relationships.
Notable Quotes:
George Hahn [09:34]: "We may be evolving a new species of asocial asexual male Homo solo."
George Hahn [10:11]: "Our species goes out of business without sexual desire."
Hahn emphasizes the long-term consequences of this trend, including reduced happiness, lower economic productivity, and increased mortality rates among affected individuals. He argues that the inability to develop and practice real-life romantic skills leads to personal and societal detriments.
Addressing the future trajectory, Hahn warns of the increasing influence of artificial intelligence and digital platforms in replacing genuine human interactions. He expresses concern over AI-driven relationships, which lack authenticity and the complexities that foster deep human connections.
Notable Quotes:
George Hahn [10:31]: "Homo Solo's AI girlfriend never says no, is never tired, busy or in a bad mood."
George Hahn [17:17]: "The most frightening data I've seen recently is that 51% of men aged 18 to 24 have never asked a woman out in person."
Hahn advocates for creating more physical and social venues where young people can interact organically, thereby counteracting the isolating effects of digital consumption.
Concluding the episode, Hahn offers practical advice for young men to combat the adverse effects of pornography addiction. He emphasizes the importance of taking risks, building resilience, and developing real-world romantic and social skills.
Notable Quotes:
George Hahn [17:36]: "Relationships and mating are hard and worth it."
George Hahn [18:00]: "Young men need to get out of the house, take risks and demonstrate excellence so they can make their own bad porn."
Hahn underscores the necessity of fostering environments that encourage personal growth, social interaction, and the pursuit of meaningful relationships. He calls for a societal shift to support young men in overcoming the challenges posed by the addiction economy and to reclaim authentic human connections.
The episode wraps up with a brief return to the earlier advertisement segments featuring Snoop Dogg and T-Mobile, seamlessly transitioning back to Scott Galloway who emphasizes the richness of life beyond digital consumption.
Notable Quote:
Scott Galloway [18:12]: "Life is so rich."
Conclusion:
This episode of "No Mercy / No Malice" provides a comprehensive examination of pornography addiction, particularly among young men, and its far-reaching implications on individual well-being and societal structures. Through data-driven analysis and poignant commentary, Scott Galloway and George Hahn challenge listeners to reassess the role of digital consumption in their lives and advocate for a return to authentic human interactions and resilient personal development.